The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[Risso]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

A million euros according to the club we signed him from.

For that to be true, some or all of Tonev, Kozak, Okore, Helenius or Luna must have cost a fair bit more than reported.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

So what we need is Jesus with a big wedge burning a hole in his trouser pocket?

Yes.  Do you know this man?

Jesus Gil but I think he's dead.

[aj2k77]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

[pauliewalnuts]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

I doubt the accounts of Sheffield United or Crewe contained itemised receipts for players.

[Dave]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

How much more do you think is "much more", and what are you basing it on?

The FC Groningen official site says that it was for "zo’n één miljoen euro". Which means "about one million euros".

Unless there is something pretty concrete that says otherwise, what reason is there to doubt the figure that the selling club said it was?

[SheffieldVillain]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

its not how much he cost, it's the cost of getting him and others of the wage bill which I think will be significant.
The real point I was trying to make is a new owner has to find the money to pay Randy and a quite a lot of money to rebuild the squad.

Why would it cost to get them off the wage bill if we sold them? The point I was making was that Guzan, Bacuna, Richards were all bought for relatively small fees. It's unlikely that they are on huge (by Premier League standards) wages that no-one else will match.

There's no reason to suppose that some idiot club won't come in for them. It's football rules, isn't it, fail miserably and get rewarded by a fat signing on fee somewhere else.

Gabby is a different matter as unless he goes off abroad somewhere cash-rich who are looking to sign 'name' players without looking at their ability, I can quite see that we'd have to pay him a big amount to get rid. The others? Not so much.

My prediction - Richards, Guzan and Lescott will be gone within a month of the end of the season. Richards to one of the promoted teams, Guzan & Lescott to the States.

[Risso]

If you look at the Villa accounts, the total combined spend is pretty well spot on with the total spend for the period reported on Soccerbase and elsewhere. So if Bacuna cost over £2m less than reported, then other players cost more. And frankly, if we paid more than was reported for the likes of Okore, Tonev, Luna or Kozak then we really did have our pants pulled down.

[aj2k77]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

I doubt the accounts of Sheffield United or Crewe contained itemised receipts for players.

It doesn't take a genius to look at their year accounts that cover the period, see which players they sold that period and deduce roughly who cost what.

[aj2k77]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

I doubt the accounts of Sheffield United or Crewe contained itemised receipts for players.

It doesn't take a genius to look at their year accounts that cover the period, see which players they sold that period and deduce roughly who cost what.

Take a look at the players they sold that period, and tell me where the money came from then. It's years ago now and I've had this arguement multiple times with people trying to kid themselves we never had our pants pulled down with the transfer fee's based on Lamberts bullshit claims.

[old man villa fan]

The only real value we have as a business at the moment is the infrastructure- cracking ground and state of the art training ground; and our brand.

Our playing staff, collectively are a huge liability currently, in financial terms. We'd be lucky to raise enough from selling what decent players we have left, to afford to be able to pay off the deadwood. And it's essential that we do this in order to get a clean slate.

I'm no expert by any means, but I'd value the club roughly at whatever the ground and BH are worth, minus the ongoing financial liabilities of the current first team squad, bar 5 or 6 players; and whatever debts randy decides he wants to call in.

When you boil it down like that,  then what would you be likely to bid in all honesty?

Next to fuck all would be my opening gambit.

You are right about the infrastructure in that it is already there.  The biggest thing going for us though, is potential.  If a buyer gets it right and we establish ourselves back in the top 10 of the PL, the value of the Club will increase dramatically.

[dave.woodhall]

We paid £600k for Guzan, Richards was on a free transfer, Bacuna cost £3m and Gabby didn't cost anything in terms of transfer fee. We'll easily make that back on them. Hutton and Lescott probably not.

Bacuna cost under a million, didn't he?

No, much more. It was a Lambert bullshit, as well as the Westwood cost 800k and Lowton next to nothing. Crewe and Sheff Utd accounts say otherwise and match ours and not Lamberts numbers.

I doubt the accounts of Sheffield United or Crewe contained itemised receipts for players.

It doesn't take a genius to look at their year accounts that cover the period, see which players they sold that period and deduce roughly who cost what.

Take a look at the players they sold that period, and tell me where the money came from then. It's years ago now and I've had this arguement multiple times with people trying to kid themselves we never had our pants pulled down with the transfer fee's based on Lamberts bullshit claims.

But you know different.

[aj2k77]

Take a look at Crewe's accounts for the year we signed Westwood. Take a look at the players they got rid of that period.  Tell me who you think they got the money for?

[dave.woodhall]

Not being an expert on the value of lower division footballers I don't know. And neither do you so please, just for once, spare us the angst.

[old man villa fan]

Take a look at Crewe's accounts for the year we signed Westwood. Take a look at the players they got rid of that period.  Tell me who you think they got the money for?

Nick Powell, Luke Murphy?

[brian green]

No brainer.   It was the last installment on David Platt's sell on clauses.