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Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #915 on: July 28, 2017, 10:06:47 PM »
Was he? He was only capped 3 times at U21 level. I agree with the rest though, we haven't really had anyone for years that in any position you you feel will have been helping younger players coming through or new signings. One positive about Terry is I hope he helps players.

Offline saunders_heroes

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #916 on: July 28, 2017, 10:11:29 PM »
SH is there any player in a Villa shirt from the relegation year you do not think is "shite"?  Do you think they were all as bad as each other?

A small handful, but trust me, Baker wasn't one of them.

Am I missing something? Wasn't Baker out on loan (at Bristol City) during the relegation season...?

He more than played his part in the Villa's decline since 2010. Tried his best I'll give him that, but never good enough for the first team, and I'm glad he's gone.

Regardless, he wasn't part of the squad that relegated us and it's wholly unfair to tar him with that brush.

Damned with faint praise I think.

Not really. The vast majority of team didn't have an ounce of spirit or fight in them. Whatever his limitations are, they're two things that you can't accuse Baker of.

Fight and spirit mean precious little when you can barely find a team mate with a pass.

I'm not disagreeing with that point. Just taking exception to you accusing him of contributing towards our relegation season, when he wasn't even part of the squad.

Fair enough, but for me he was part of our decline since 2010 and it irks me that players of his standard are still at the club.

Offline LeeB

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #917 on: July 28, 2017, 10:12:14 PM »
I think he's improving, but not quick enough. Could see him being a solid centre half for a newly promoted team nearing his 30's.

Offline villan from luton

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #918 on: July 28, 2017, 10:21:01 PM »
I really wish Baker all the best in the future, he has done his best and unlike some alway has given his all. That said, I don't think he is going to improve that much now and he would be 3rd/possibly 4th choice at CB and probably wants regular football. His positional sense at times as we know was all over the place and his distribution aint the best. We won't be moaning next week anyway when we have Alex Bruce on board :-)

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #919 on: July 28, 2017, 10:24:38 PM »
Only reason we haven't announced Alex Bruce yet is because the club knows it will struggle to cope with the rush for ST and match tickets as soon as it's confirmed.

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #920 on: July 28, 2017, 10:30:33 PM »
One good thing that could emerge from this is more opportunity for Suliman who potentially is a very good CB.

Is he? Based on what?
Eh...based on the facts that he is highly rated by our staff and England set up and was part of the team that won a World Cup.

Highly rated by our staff means bugger all not forgetting he couldnt get in a team struggling at the arse end of league two

Offline villan from luton

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #921 on: July 28, 2017, 10:33:53 PM »
Only reason we haven't announced Alex Bruce yet is because the club knows it will struggle to cope with the rush for ST and match tickets as soon as it's confirmed.

There is always the major coup (well actually there aint but we always live in hope) and this transfer window I envisage the Scottish nutter on sky sports news speculating on deadline day as to whether Villa have pulled off the coup, mainly cos Barnet and Luton have said feck off

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #922 on: July 28, 2017, 10:51:51 PM »
One good thing that could emerge from this is more opportunity for Suliman who potentially is a very good CB.

Is he? Based on what?
Eh...based on the facts that he is highly rated by our staff and England set up and was part of the team that won a World Cup.

Highly rated by our staff means bugger all not forgetting he couldnt get in a team struggling at the arse end of league two

We've overrated our youth players at Villa for years now. Fans want them to be good (understandably) but sometimes you've got to admit they're just not up to it and let 'em go.

Offline frank black

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #923 on: July 28, 2017, 10:58:13 PM »
It's a strange one this, must be a financial decision to balance the books. Given a chance I am sure we would rather be rid of Elphick and Richards. No decent money offered for either I would expect.

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #924 on: July 28, 2017, 10:59:59 PM »
It's a strange one this, must be a financial decision to balance the books. Given a chance I am sure we would rather be rid of Elphick and Richards. No decent money offered for either I would expect.

I'm pretty certain Elphick will be out of the door in the next few weeks. As for Richards, well he's on an absolute fortune here so it doesn't take a genius to work out no one out there would be willing to pay his wages.

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #925 on: July 28, 2017, 11:01:45 PM »
One good thing that could emerge from this is more opportunity for Suliman who potentially is a very good CB.

Is he? Based on what?
Eh...based on the facts that he is highly rated by our staff and England set up and was part of the team that won a World Cup.

Highly rated by our staff means bugger all not forgetting he couldnt get in a team struggling at the arse end of league two

We've overrated our youth players at Villa for years now. Fans want them to be good (understandably) but sometimes you've got to admit they're just not up to it and let 'em go.

Not sure that's fair. I think we've been right to rate some of our youth players very highly - the Moores, Delfouneso, Grealish, for example, all looked sensational in their teens. Maybe it's our coaches we've overrated.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #926 on: July 28, 2017, 11:03:00 PM »
I doubt he's on a fortune after relegation. Well not by football standards anyway. Main reason we can't shift him is he's so obviously shit no one is stupid enough to take him.

Offline frank black

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #927 on: July 28, 2017, 11:04:13 PM »
Richards does appear to be a limpet.

Offline villan from luton

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #928 on: July 28, 2017, 11:14:31 PM »
Richards took a 25% hit on his wage when we got relegated but would still be on a massive wage by championship standards. I was genuinely excited when we signed him, but he certainly don't have an appetite for busting a gut. The pathetic efforts in the tournament, he went for his first real challenge and was gone within 90 seconds. He was ok to mess around afterwards though in the celebrations afterwards. There is a talent in there, but he seems happy as he is

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Re: Nathan Baker - Sold
« Reply #929 on: July 28, 2017, 11:19:30 PM »
One good thing that could emerge from this is more opportunity for Suliman who potentially is a very good CB.

Is he? Based on what?
Eh...based on the facts that he is highly rated by our staff and England set up and was part of the team that won a World Cup.

Highly rated by our staff means bugger all not forgetting he couldnt get in a team struggling at the arse end of league two
OK we employ muppets and England coaching staff are numpties and there is no need to give him a chance in the first team squad.

 


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