Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions

[dave.woodhall]

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Strange?  It's downright weird that some people see promotion as a bad season.  Getting relegated in the first place is the bad part; coming straight back up is the good part surely?

"Like Muhammed Ali winning the Boys Brigade championships" - Harry Parkes.

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Well I don't know about you, Dave, but I felt good at the end of that season knowing we were promoted.
4 relegation battles on the trot and yet still barely a flicker of criticism of the chairman by the editor of Villa's only independent fanzine. I find that perplexing.

[hilts_coolerking]

Blimey, the number of times I see on here that being in the Third Division was bloody marvellous.  Maybe it's only the Second Division that's crap.

[PeterWithesShin]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

I said if, not that we did. You need new glasses SH as you misread a lot.

I know full well you said if, I'm just confused why you said it because we came straight back up in '88. We didn't finish 6th and scrape into a play off place.

You said promotion was good full stop. I said that if we went down this year (for arguments sake) and then finished 6th and got up in the playoffs I can't see you thinking 6th in division two as a good season just because we got promoted. I know I wouldn't, all i'd feel was relief we were up, no good about it.

[PeterWithesShin]

Blimey, the number of times I see on here that being in the Third Division was bloody marvellous.  Maybe it's only the Second Division that's crap.

I can't comment on then as i'd only just been born, but even if we won every league game i'd fucking hate with a passion being in the third division.

[dave.woodhall]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Well I don't know about you, Dave, but I felt good at the end of that season knowing we were promoted.
4 relegation battles on the trot and yet still barely a flicker of criticism of the chairman by the editor of Villa's only independent fanzine. I find that perplexing.

Fancy me having a mind of my own. It's an absolute disgrace. What was that about you misreading?

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

I said if, not that we did. You need new glasses SH as you misread a lot.

I know full well you said if, I'm just confused why you said it because we came straight back up in '88. We didn't finish 6th and scrape into a play off place.

You said promotion was good full stop. I said that if we went down this year (for arguments sake) and then finished 6th and got up in the playoffs I can't see you thinking 6th in division two as a good season just because we got promoted. I know I wouldn't, all i'd feel was relief we were up, no good about it.

Promotion is good, especially finishing 2nd (like we did) and going straight back up. The play offs is not something I'd ever want to see happen to Villa. It would be too stressful.

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Well I don't know about you, Dave, but I felt good at the end of that season knowing we were promoted.
4 relegation battles on the trot and yet still barely a flicker of criticism of the chairman by the editor of Villa's only independent fanzine. I find that perplexing.

Fancy me having a mind of my own. It's an absolute disgrace. What was that about you misreading?

You don't seem to have a problem with the club and the way it's being run into decline. Why is that, Dave?

[brontebilly]

Do you really want the press to go with one man's personal grudge and pass it off as the weight of public opinion?

Yes I do actually. I could care less about his ejection from the directors, but the reason they threw him out was because of his concerns of where the club is heading, which is 100% relevant. We've had 4 years of decline and it's about time we put a bit of pressure on the club.

You say that because you agree with him. Would you want equal weight to be given to an opinion that you don't agree with? 

I'm not sure what you mean. If I didn't like what was being said I'd take no notice of it.

I haven't looked at the reports but 'Fan Slams Villa Board' would be my guess at the headlines. Would you be so eager for them to give equal prominence to a pro-board article?

I know just the man to write it....

Can't understand your refusal to even question those in authority at the club, and that recently extended to the antics of some former players bizarrely too.

What is your counter pro board argument to Hodgson's points? If it's just another snide one liner, forget it. Am interested to hear from others who have the opposing view.

I think Lerner's stewardship of the club has been a worsening disaster. From signing all the MON checks, to not appointing a competent board, to listening to Alex Ferguson's advice re McLeish. In my mind anyway he hasn't got the foggiest how to run a football club. Acorns, Holte Hotel sure nice gestures but let's judge him professionally on his role as chairman. He bought a club very cheap and has saddled it with ridiculous debt.

On Paul Faulkener, not even sure what his brief is supposed to be. Compared to Dein, Levy, Gill etc, he seems a junior in comparison.

Finally, the first team manager Paul Lambert can only be judged by the resources at his disposal. Clearly the Stone Age efforts at Villa Park all season can only confirm the fact that he is miles out of his depth. If we let him go, do we think he would come back and prove us wrong at a different club? The answer is an emphatic no from me anyway. He would just join the merry go round with his predecessor.

[hilts_coolerking]

Blimey, the number of times I see on here that being in the Third Division was bloody marvellous.  Maybe it's only the Second Division that's crap.

I can't comment on then as i'd only just been born, but even if we won every league game i'd fucking hate with a passion being in the third division.

I don't doubt it; I'm just pointing out that plenty of others loved it.  It's academic really though because I don't think Hodgson is defining a 'bad season' as being merely one that he (or you) personally didn't enjoy.  I think he's aiming for something a little more objective than that.

[dave.woodhall]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Well I don't know about you, Dave, but I felt good at the end of that season knowing we were promoted.
4 relegation battles on the trot and yet still barely a flicker of criticism of the chairman by the editor of Villa's only independent fanzine. I find that perplexing.

Fancy me having a mind of my own. It's an absolute disgrace. What was that about you misreading?

You don't seem to have a problem with the club and the way it's being run into decline. Why is that, Dave?

Because it's preferable to being so twisted that you start to say relegation was a success.

[dave.woodhall]

Do you really want the press to go with one man's personal grudge and pass it off as the weight of public opinion?

Yes I do actually. I could care less about his ejection from the directors, but the reason they threw him out was because of his concerns of where the club is heading, which is 100% relevant. We've had 4 years of decline and it's about time we put a bit of pressure on the club.

You say that because you agree with him. Would you want equal weight to be given to an opinion that you don't agree with? 

I'm not sure what you mean. If I didn't like what was being said I'd take no notice of it.

I haven't looked at the reports but 'Fan Slams Villa Board' would be my guess at the headlines. Would you be so eager for them to give equal prominence to a pro-board article?

I know just the man to write it....

Can't understand your refusal to even question those in authority at the club, and that recently extended to the antics of some former players bizarrely too.

What is your counter pro board argument to Hodgson's points? If it's just another snide one liner, forget it. Am interested to hear from others who have the opposing view.

I think Lerner's stewardship of the club has been a worsening disaster. From signing all the MON checks, to not appointing a competent board, to listening to Alex Ferguson's advice re McLeish. In my mind anyway he hasn't got the foggiest how to run a football club. Acorns, Holte Hotel sure nice gestures but let's judge him professionally on his role as chairman. He bought a club very cheap and has saddled it with ridiculous debt.

On Paul Faulkener, not even sure what his brief is supposed to be. Compared to Dein, Levy, Gill etc, he seems a junior in comparison.

Finally, the first team manager Paul Lambert can only be judged by the resources at his disposal. Clearly the Stone Age efforts at Villa Park all season can only confirm the fact that he is miles out of his depth. If we let him go, do we think he would come back and prove us wrong at a different club? The answer is an emphatic no from me anyway. He would just join the merry go round with his predecessor.

If by that you mean me, then I wouldn't want to write such a thing, for the reasons outlined earlier. What you mean by former players is beyond me.

[hilts_coolerking]

Because it's preferable to being so twisted that you start to say relegation was a success.

I'm not sure anyone's said that though.  Relegation = bad season.  Promotion = good season.  I wouldn't have described that as a giant leap away from conventional football wisdom.  Promotion = bad season.  Now that has been said and it is a bit puzzling.

[saunders_heroes]

I can just imagine you saying it's great if we got promoted in the playoffs if we went down. As for the renaissance, oh dear. Where were we a few years before? And then who arrived?

We didn't get promoted via the play offs, we came straight back up. By the way since promotion we've been in the top division ever since. It's been a long long time since we've gone this long in the top division without relegation. Now we've had 4 relegation battles on the trot.

Being in division two is a good season and finishing in the top half/not being in the bottom six at all is a relegation battle. Strange how different people see things differently.

Well I don't know about you, Dave, but I felt good at the end of that season knowing we were promoted.
4 relegation battles on the trot and yet still barely a flicker of criticism of the chairman by the editor of Villa's only independent fanzine. I find that perplexing.

Fancy me having a mind of my own. It's an absolute disgrace. What was that about you misreading?

You don't seem to have a problem with the club and the way it's being run into decline. Why is that, Dave?

Because it's preferable to being so twisted that you start to say relegation was a success.

Yeah I was dancing in the streets when we were relegated in '87.
Jesus wept.

[dave.woodhall]

Because it's preferable to being so twisted that you start to say relegation was a success.

I'm not sure anyone's said that though.  Relegation = bad season.  Promotion = good season.  I wouldn't have described that as a giant leap away from conventional football wisdom.  Promotion = bad season.  Now that has been said and it is a bit puzzling.

Being there in the first place = absolute disaster. In the circumstances worse than anything any other chairman of any club has ever overseen.