Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions

[hilts_coolerking]

I think the one thing most of us agree with is that he has not got a clue how to run a football club.

Speak for yourself. I might not agree with a lot of what he has done but I wouldn't just use a broad brush to describe his ability to run a football club. He's done good things, he's invested heavily and the club has represented itself well outside of the on field events. He appointed a manager that you, me and many others approved of. That it hasn't worked (yet) doesn't make him a bad owner or show an inability to run a football club. There are plenty or worse examples out there of exactly what you are trying to describe and Randy would be a long way down that list.

The decision making since O'Neill walked out has, on the whole, been shocking.  And at times absolutely inexplicable.

[Fergal]

I have a sneaking suspicion that When Randy sells up he will have made a very tidy amount of money out of us...

I don't see how anyone can possibly suspect that.

Have you seen how much he has had to inject into the club? The loans he has written off?

Loans to himself.  I wonder how much he has taken out in wages and management fees.

You've been told more times than I can remember. Find out for yourself from the published accounts and let us know.

I wouldn't know where to look, but he is either a very astute business man or as inept at finance as he is at running a football club.

Try googling Aston Villa accounts for a start and he doesn't have to be either.

Googled it, as far as I can see he has spent a fair few million on players and their wages that even the most frivolous on here would have sanctioned.  According to what I have managed to look up, nothing concrete since 2012, our wage bill was at 85% of our turnover and we were losing money like water through a sieve. Randy did put off the interest payment on the loan for one year.
Still it looks like we have been very poorly run, during the reign of MoN and every other manager since.
Like I say I am no accountant and don't really know anything concrete but I have a gut feeling we don't know all there is to know about our clubs finances. 
I am not saying Randy is doing anything dodgy. 

[Toronto Villa]

I think the one thing most of us agree with is that he has not got a clue how to run a football club.

Speak for yourself. I might not agree with a lot of what he has done but I wouldn't just use a broad brush to describe his ability to run a football club. He's done good things, he's invested heavily and the club has represented itself well outside of the on field events. He appointed a manager that you, me and many others approved of. That it hasn't worked (yet) doesn't make him a bad owner or show an inability to run a football club. There are plenty or worse examples out there of exactly what you are trying to describe and Randy would be a long way down that list.

The decision making since O'Neill walked out has, on the whole, been shocking.  And at times absolutely inexplicable.

It's been well documented, but MON walking out when he did made things much more difficult to get the right person. I'm not of the school that deemed the Houllier period a disaster. That is a debate for another day. I think we all agree on McLeish being a complete failure for which Lerner cannot be defended, and like I said Lambert was by consensus a popular appointment. The club has tried to back the current manager while at the same time cleaning up the mess of the three regimes prior to him. That they backed the previous managers in wages and transfers should be commended from a spending standpoint even if the contracts turned into anchors. They still spent the money is the point.

[Fergal]

I think the one thing most of us agree with is that he has not got a clue how to run a football club.

Speak for yourself. I might not agree with a lot of what he has done but I wouldn't just use a broad brush to describe his ability to run a football club. He's done good things, he's invested heavily and the club has represented itself well outside of the on field events. He appointed a manager that you, me and many others approved of. That it hasn't worked (yet) doesn't make him a bad owner or show an inability to run a football club. There are plenty or worse examples out there of exactly what you are trying to describe and Randy would be a long way down that list.

The decision making since O'Neill walked out has, on the whole, been shocking.  And at times absolutely inexplicable.

I would also question the way the club was run under MoN, look at the players and the wages they were on...

[Louzie0]

The cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money.
The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?

Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.

The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.

I like this post.

I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.

OBN?

[dave.woodhall]

I have a sneaking suspicion that When Randy sells up he will have made a very tidy amount of money out of us...

I don't see how anyone can possibly suspect that.

Have you seen how much he has had to inject into the club? The loans he has written off?

Loans to himself.  I wonder how much he has taken out in wages and management fees.

You've been told more times than I can remember. Find out for yourself from the published accounts and let us know.

I wouldn't know where to look, but he is either a very astute business man or as inept at finance as he is at running a football club.

Try googling Aston Villa accounts for a start and he doesn't have to be either.

Googled it, as far as I can see he has spent a fair few million on players and their wages that even the most frivolous on here would have sanctioned.  According to what I have managed to look up, nothing concrete since 2012, our wage bill was at 85% of our turnover and we were losing money like water through a sieve. Randy did put off the interest payment on the loan for one year.
Still it looks like we have been very poorly run, during the reign of MoN and every other manager since.
Like I say I am no accountant and don't really know anything concrete but I have a gut feeling we don't know all there is to know about our clubs finances. 
I am not saying Randy is doing anything dodgy. 

So might that possibly be the last time you ask variations on the same question?

[Fergal]

I have a sneaking suspicion that When Randy sells up he will have made a very tidy amount of money out of us...

I don't see how anyone can possibly suspect that.

Have you seen how much he has had to inject into the club? The loans he has written off?

Loans to himself.  I wonder how much he has taken out in wages and management fees.

You've been told more times than I can remember. Find out for yourself from the published accounts and let us know.

I wouldn't know where to look, but he is either a very astute business man or as inept at finance as he is at running a football club.

Try googling Aston Villa accounts for a start and he doesn't have to be either.

Googled it, as far as I can see he has spent a fair few million on players and their wages that even the most frivolous on here would have sanctioned.  According to what I have managed to look up, nothing concrete since 2012, our wage bill was at 85% of our turnover and we were losing money like water through a sieve. Randy did put off the interest payment on the loan for one year.
Still it looks like we have been very poorly run, during the reign of MoN and every other manager since.
Like I say I am no accountant and don't really know anything concrete but I have a gut feeling we don't know all there is to know about our clubs finances. 
I am not saying Randy is doing anything dodgy. 

So might that possibly be the last time you ask variations on the same question?

Don't know, depends on if it's relevant to the discussion, unless I am not allowed to ask questions on a thread entitled Kendrick Says It's Time To Ask Questions.  I am very concerned about the clubs finances, as should we all, let's face it we don't want to do a Leeds do we?

[hilts_coolerking]

It's been well documented, but MON walking out when he did made things much more difficult to get the right person. I'm not of the school that deemed the Houllier period a disaster. That is a debate for another day. I think we all agree on McLeish being a complete failure for which Lerner cannot be defended, and like I said Lambert was by consensus a popular appointment. The club has tried to back the current manager while at the same time cleaning up the mess of the three regimes prior to him. That they backed the previous managers in wages and transfers should be commended from a spending standpoint even if the contracts turned into anchors. They still spent the money is the point.

I think if we're debating Lerner's ability to run a football club, his presiding over a situation where the finances were mishandled to the extent that three years later we're still cleaning the mess up is pretty damning evidence.

[Toronto Villa]

I think the one thing most of us agree with is that he has not got a clue how to run a football club.

Speak for yourself. I might not agree with a lot of what he has done but I wouldn't just use a broad brush to describe his ability to run a football club. He's done good things, he's invested heavily and the club has represented itself well outside of the on field events. He appointed a manager that you, me and many others approved of. That it hasn't worked (yet) doesn't make him a bad owner or show an inability to run a football club. There are plenty or worse examples out there of exactly what you are trying to describe and Randy would be a long way down that list.

The decision making since O'Neill walked out has, on the whole, been shocking.  And at times absolutely inexplicable.

I would also question the way the club was run under MoN, look at the players and the wages they were on...

yes, but again, would MON have 1) agreed to join the club, or 2) stayed as long as he did if it hadn't been that way? Again, when he came to the club, when we were at a low ebb post O'Leary he was a very popular appointment, so he had some demands and the new owner agreed to them. Had Randy told MON that he wanted him, and oh and by the way was putting in a person to eessntially keep an eye on him, he'd never have joined the club. In hindsight it's what should have happened but in reality it could never have happened.

[Fergal]

The cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money.
The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?

Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.

The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.

I like this post.

I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.

OBN?

Text speak for Obi Wan Kenobi...

[newtonsballs]

Order of the  Brown Nose - play on the OBE and other awards. It's given for arse licking comments.

[Toronto Villa]

It's been well documented, but MON walking out when he did made things much more difficult to get the right person. I'm not of the school that deemed the Houllier period a disaster. That is a debate for another day. I think we all agree on McLeish being a complete failure for which Lerner cannot be defended, and like I said Lambert was by consensus a popular appointment. The club has tried to back the current manager while at the same time cleaning up the mess of the three regimes prior to him. That they backed the previous managers in wages and transfers should be commended from a spending standpoint even if the contracts turned into anchors. They still spent the money is the point.

I think if we're debating Lerner's ability to run a football club, his presiding over a situation where the finances were mishandled to the extent that three years later we're still cleaning the mess up is pretty damning evidence.

not really, and it is an overly simplistic way of looking at things. He allowed a highly reputable manager to run the football club which only in hindsight have we come to realise it was mishandled. I find it funny listening to the argument that Randy should have been more hands on in light of all of the years Doug was accused of interfering.

[hilts_coolerking]

not really, and it is an overly simplistic way of looking at things. He allowed a highly reputable manager to run the football club which only in hindsight have we come to realise it was mishandled. I find it funny listening to the argument that Randy should have been more hands on in light of all of the years Doug was accused of interfering.

What do you mean 'not really'?  That whole situation is a stone cold example of a club not being run properly.

[Louzie0]

The cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money.
The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?

Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.

The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.

I like this post.

I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.

OBN?

Text speak for Obi Wan Kenobi...

Thanks Fergal, appreciate the translation.

[Fergal]

The cynic in me says that it doesn't really make any difference who the manager is provided they have experience of professional footy and an understanding of coaching. It's all about money.
The emergence of Man City killed us when they took our two best players. After that Randy was unable to out spend the others into 4th. He is out of his depth against the rest of the Premier Leagues big clubs. The owners of Everton, Spurs and Newcastle regularly run rings round us off the pitch in commercial terms and in recruitment. Should Everton really appeal more to a Wigan manager than us?

Take away Randy's money then what does he bring to the table? Less than a Doug/Stride combo I'd say.

The above said, although the team is everything, I can't help but like Randy even though I know little about him. The Acorns thing alone makes everything else irrelevant really. That is a more important legacy than footy. I get the feeling with Randy that he has one of those moral compasses that people born into wealth can afford to have, and there is nothing wrong with that, but footy is a ruthless industry that requires sometimes spiteful decision making. Perhaps it's just not his bag.

I like this post.

I was just thinking it was a candidate for Private Eye's OBN section.

OBN?

Text speak for Obi Wan Kenobi...

Thanks Fergal, appreciate the translation.

It could also mean Only Buys Nackers...