The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Damo70]

Can you imagine if the bas***ds teased us like that?

[PeterWithesShin]

Like what?

[PeterWithesShin]

Sorry!

[ChicagoLion]

I think timing is important and at some point the benefits of getting some one new in (dead cat bounce) is outweighed by the disruption and the new guy not having time to work out the best combination from existing resources.

We must be approaching that point if we have not gone past it.

He should have gone December giving someone new a transfer window.

It could be too late already.

[mr underhill]

it's never too late to make the right decision. If AV were a company in another business arena,  PL would no longer be managing director.

[brian green]

In these considerations, most of us, myself included, assume that there is a structure to be repaired at Villa Park. Like when your car won't start and the guage says you have half a tank of petrol it never occurs to you that the guage is broken and you can turn the ignition until your fingers fall off and the car won't start.
If in the unlikely event of us ever knowing with transparency and clarity what has actually gone on at Villa since the arrival and departure of Martin O'Neill I think we would see back stabbing, turf wars, tittle tattling, bickering and deceit on a Shakespearean scale. Even if a route out of our present quagmire presented itself - say for example get in Pulis on a very well paid short contract to repair the basic damage done over the last four seasons - the opportunity could not be pursued, however good or bad the idea might be because administratively we have become a rabble.

[Mellin]

But you can't dismiss the effect of the manager like that.  Take Palace as an example - their players were shit before Pulis arrived last year and look what happened with a bit of organisation.

Then he left, the team became shit again and then since Pardew's come in and brought the organisation back they're moving up the table.

They're a classic example of how a good manager can make a team better than the sum of its parts.  Lambert on the other hand seems to be making our team worse than the sum of its parts.

Believe me, I'm not one for changing the manager for the sake of it when things are going wrong but when it's so obvious these players are capable of so much more than they're delivering I think sticking with the one obvious factor holding them back is sheer madness.

Guzan in goal.

Valar - Okare - Clark - Baker

Gil - Sanchez - Delph - Grealish

Wiemann - Benteke

4 solid defenders, two hard working midfield players who can tackle. Two flair players to take the game to the opposition a class centre forward with width to supply him and a natural goalscorer in Andi. Front two NEVER allowed into their own half expect to stay onside. = CHANGE THE MANAGER !!!!!

Hutton & Cissoko - there to defend and supply width - an absolute joke.

That team would lose every week too. No width from full back, a talented if raw winger making up the four man midfield and you can't leave two strikers up top on their own in the modern game.

Shows it's not as easy as people claim. Still, Lambert has to go. Take a chance on a manager from the lower leagues maybe. Who is standing out right now? Howe struggled at Burnley, but has done brilliantly twice at Bournemouth.  It's a gamble, but might be worth taking. Or just appoint McGrath.

[Mister E]

... He should have gone December giving someone new a transfer window.

It could be too late already.

Agreed, that we may have gone beyond the decision-point. And, the club's management show absolutely no sign of pulling the trigger.
In the absence of which, Lambert must be persuaded to take a different role, with the introduction of a proper coach - Rene Meulensteen, for example. The squad needs to be given a short, sharp injection of new tactical and coaching inputs, along with an injection of self-belief.

Then, take a view in the summer re future manager role.

[Malandro]

If we avoid relegation on goal difference alone, I get the feeling that Lambert and those above will still have a 'told you so' attitude about it.
Good enough for those in control, not good enough for those that matter.

[Virgil Caine]

... He should have gone December giving someone new a transfer window.

It could be too late already.

Agreed, that we may have gone beyond the decision-point. And, the club's management show absolutely no sign of pulling the trigger.
In the absence of which, Lambert must be persuaded to take a different role, with the introduction of a proper coach - Rene Meulensteen, for example. The squad needs to be given a short, sharp injection of new tactical and coaching inputs, along with an injection of self-belief.

Then, take a view in the summer re future manager role.

p

The only seemingly viable and face saving option for Lerner is to make Lambert DOF with control over player recruitment, restructuring of the youth, under 21 and academy, establish a scouting structure both home and abroad and to work with Fox on establishing a long term communicated vision of a five year plan. Bring in immediately a Head Coach of experience and drive that can motivate players and get them to play at their full potential.

[Mister E]

... He should have gone December giving someone new a transfer window.

It could be too late already.

Agreed, that we may have gone beyond the decision-point. And, the club's management show absolutely no sign of pulling the trigger.
In the absence of which, Lambert must be persuaded to take a different role, with the introduction of a proper coach - Rene Meulensteen, for example. The squad needs to be given a short, sharp injection of new tactical and coaching inputs, along with an injection of self-belief.

Then, take a view in the summer re future manager role.

p

The only seemingly viable and face saving option for Lerner is to make Lambert DOF with control over player recruitment, restructuring of the youth, under 21 and academy, establish a scouting structure both home and abroad and to work with Fox on establishing a long term communicated vision of a five year plan. Bring in immediately a Head Coach of experience and drive that can motivate players and get them to play at their full potential.

Is there an echo in here, MLF?!   

[not3bad]

and  while finding a good replacement is difficult, it shouldn't paralyze you from doing so, even when your past efforts have been poor

Even if it might meant swapping someone who has at least managed to keep us on the right side of the trap door (if barely) for someone who could ram us through it?

[Villa in Denmark]

and  while finding a good replacement is difficult, it shouldn't paralyze you from doing so, even when your past efforts have been poor

Even if it might meant swapping someone who has at least managed to keep us on the right side of the trap door (if barely) for someone who could ram us through it?

He's definitely going to ram us straight through.

Latest predictions



Rolling 38 points total = 33
19 game roll up = 24 points (last 19 games x 2)
10 game roll up = 23 points (last 10 games x 3.8 )
19 game form prediction = 31 points (points this season + prediction based on last 19 games through to the end of season)
10 game form prediction = 30 points (points this season + prediction based on last 10 games through to the end of season)

Conclusion = We're fucked

[Boz]

If we avoid relegation on goal difference alone, I get the feeling that Lambert and those above will still have a 'told you so' attitude about it.
Good enough for those in control, not good enough for those that matter.

On present form, this is a big if

[john e]

like most others on here I would like a new face and something to believe in again at Villa
but I remember the first season we went through this relegation battle with Lambert one of the criticisms against him was that we weren't used to a relegation scrap,
 we were inexperienced at battling it out at the bottom of the league, therefore that was one of the reasons Lambert should go because he couldn't handle that nor his team of lightweights

well he's pretty experienced now