The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Mister E]

To hit 36 points, which would represent at least having a chance of staying up, we need to get 14 points from the remaining 14 games.

That should be easily within reach.

The problem is, I just can't see us doing it when we so rarely look like scoring, let alone actually winning.

There is no way these people are going to sack Lambert, and it is starting to look like it is too late, but I was thinking, even if we did sack him we couldn't do the usual thing of promoting his deputy for a bit because he hasn't fucking got one.

Honestly, the sooner these people sell this club to someone significantly less clueless, the better.

Utterly bizarre that we're drifting into the C'ship and there seems to be no one at the club doing something to arrest the apparently-inevitable.

[Monty]

It's ridiculous that they talk about being unable to spend because of FFP. I think I'm right in saying that FFP doesn't matter unless you qualify for Europe, so why should we worry about spending a bit more in order to stay in the league?

[hilts_coolerking]

14 from 14 seems doable when you consider we have 22 from 24.    Less so when you consider we have 12 from 20.  So if we're going to do it our form is probably going to have to improve dramatically.  I'm not convinced that's going to happen.  Whatever happens I hope it doesn't all come down to the final day because the timid bunch of flakes we currently have might not turn up.  Literally, in some cases.

[ChicagoLion]

Then again we lost out to that winey MON.

Nope.

No? I thought even though he walked we
Still had to agree a settlement fee?

From the last O'Neill thread:

Didn't O'Neill win his court case against Lerner which led people into thinking he was constructively dismissed?

No. It was settled out of court, as most Tribunal cases are. Employer clients of mine settle all the time without this being an admission of liability. There might be all manner of reasons for doing so.

One reason why employers tend to settle is that it is very difficult indeed to get an Order for costs in the Employment Tribunal even if you win, so fighting the case inevitably leaves the employer out of pocket.

So there is a good chance that we ended up paying him something, but we definitely didn't 'lose out' to him.

We definitely ended up paying him compensation, it was reflected in the accounts.

[hilts_coolerking]

We definitely ended up paying him compensation, it was reflected in the accounts.

What's never been made clear is exactly what he got that compensation for, i.e. what part of the claim(s) he was making was upheld.

[PeterWithesShin]

Or if any of it was upheld. We may have just paid him something as it would be cheaper, and/or maybe Randy just wanted rid of the spiteful little shit so paid up.

[ChicagoLion]

We definitely ended up paying him compensation, it was reflected in the accounts.

What's never been made clear is exactly what he got that compensation for, i.e. what part of the claim(s) he was making was upheld.

Because it was settled "out of court" it was just a Financial settlement.
There was no Ruling and I think the settlement was subject to a gagging order which is why he has never spoken about it.

[hilts_coolerking]

Or if any of it was upheld. We may have just paid him something as it would be cheaper, and/or maybe Randy just wanted rid of the spiteful little shit so paid up.

I'd have thought if it went to a tribunal and he ended up getting something then at least some of it must have been upheld.  I don't think if it gets to that stage one party can say 'Fuck all this, here's a few quid, fuck off.'  That would happen during mediation I imagine.

[PeterWithesShin]

Or if any of it was upheld. We may have just paid him something as it would be cheaper, and/or maybe Randy just wanted rid of the spiteful little shit so paid up.

I'd have thought if it went to a tribunal and he ended up getting something then at least some of it must have been upheld.  I don't think if it gets to that stage one party can say 'Fuck all this, here's a few quid, fuck off.'  That would happen during mediation I imagine.

As far as I know the settlement was between us and him, not awarded to him.

[Ad@m]

We definitely ended up paying him compensation, it was reflected in the accounts.

I don't recall anything in the accounts that could support that statement. The accounts for that year mentioned managerial compensation but it was the same year we paid Blues to release TSM so ithe managerial compensation probably related to that.

[hilts_coolerking]

Or if any of it was upheld. We may have just paid him something as it would be cheaper, and/or maybe Randy just wanted rid of the spiteful little shit so paid up.

I'd have thought if it went to a tribunal and he ended up getting something then at least some of it must have been upheld.  I don't think if it gets to that stage one party can say 'Fuck all this, here's a few quid, fuck off.'  That would happen during mediation I imagine.

As far as I know the settlement was between us and him, not awarded to him.

I think at that time it was only the third recent case which had gone as far as the tribunal stage; in the other two Curbishley and Keegan were awarded compensation after their claims were upheld.  I can't see a way by which O'Neill got his case to that stage, got money from the club but failed to prove any of his claims.  I know Lerner is dumb but even he isn't dumb enough to pay compensation if there is no legal requirement to do so.

[PeterWithesShin]

Maybe for the reasons mentioned, it was cheaper and/or quicker to pay him off rather than go through the full process. Ultimately we'll never know for sure.

[hilts_coolerking]

Maybe for the reasons mentioned, it was cheaper and/or quicker to pay him off rather than go through the full process. Ultimately we'll never know for sure.

That's my point though really: it did go through the full process, before a QC, and we ended up paying him something.  We don't know how much, or what for, but we paid him something and that can only mean some of what he claimed was found to be true.

As you say, we'll never know exactly what they found in his favour and that's the frustrating bit.  It irks me greatly to know that the fucking treacherous scumbag had a case, at least in part.

[john e]

He fucked us over and that's the end of it,
I don't care what anyone says,you can argue till you are blue in the face about how MON didn't make Charlie's of the board, but he did, the mans a prick

[mr underhill]

but a more successful one that the current prick who really is fucking us over by pretending to be a football manager