The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[saunders_heroes]

I don't class Lerner's largesse as PR myself.

I do, but I'm a born cynic.

[Clampy]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

[Clampy]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

I'm not laughing at the decline, i was laughing at your post.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

The current financial regime (by which I mean the one we've had for almost four seasons now) is highly restrictive. There's no getting away from that.

However, for Lambert to pass the blame on to Lerner in any meaningful way, he'd have to be able to say that he's getting something like the best out of what he has.

I don't think there are more than a handful of people on the planet who would think he is doing that.

Yes, Lerner's leadership since 2010 has been pretty awful in lots of ways. I'd even go so far as to say he's been one of the poorer owners in the league in that time - detached, unbothered, made a series of really poor decisions, is still making them.

To say, though, that this is all down to Lerner's tightfistedness is totally wrong. Yes, that's a part of it, as is his demonstrated inability to run a football club effectively (let's not forget, we're currently on a run of zero goals in five league matches and the manager - he of the new four year contract - is entirely untouchable, which says a lot about the way we are run).

That does not mean, though, that the persistent on-pitch rubbishness is entirely down to him, that's way off the mark.

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

I'm not laughing at the decline, i was laughing at your post.

Laugh away. Your constant defence of Lerner while his penny pinching plunges Villa into a painful decline is probably funny as well, but I don't find it amusing.

[Clampy]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

I'm not laughing at the decline, i was laughing at your post.

Laugh away. Your constant defence of Lerner while his penny pinching plunges Villa into a painful decline is probably funny as well, but I don't find it amusing.

Keep ridiculous posts like that coming and I will continue to laugh.

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

The current financial regime (by which I mean the one we've had for almost four seasons now) is highly restrictive. There's no getting away from that.

However, for Lambert to pass the blame on to Lerner in any meaningful way, he'd have to be able to say that he's getting something like the best out of what he has.

I don't think there are more than a handful of people on the planet who would think he is doing that.

Yes, Lerner's leadership since 2010 has been pretty awful in lots of ways. I'd even go so far as to say he's been one of the poorer owners in the league in that time - detached, unbothered, made a series of really poor decisions, is still making them.

To say, though, that this is all down to Lerner's tightfistedness is totally wrong. Yes, that's a part of it, as is his demonstrated inability to run a football club effectively (let's not forget, we're currently on a run of zero goals in five league matches and the manager - he of the new four year contract - is entirely untouchable, which says a lot about the way we are run).

That does not mean, though, that the persistent on-pitch rubbishness is entirely down to him, that's way off the mark.

That's fair enough, but we've been scratching around looking for players in the bargain basements for the last few seasons and if you pack out your squad with average players don't be surprised if you slip down the table.
Also the fact that Lambert is still our manager tells us exactly what Lerner thinks of the club. He's washed his hands of us. That's the scariest part of it all.

[kippaxvilla2]

As usual Mr Walnuts has it spot on with his hybrid analysis.

[Clampy]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

The current financial regime (by which I mean the one we've had for almost four seasons now) is highly restrictive. There's no getting away from that.

However, for Lambert to pass the blame on to Lerner in any meaningful way, he'd have to be able to say that he's getting something like the best out of what he has.

I don't think there are more than a handful of people on the planet who would think he is doing that.

Yes, Lerner's leadership since 2010 has been pretty awful in lots of ways. I'd even go so far as to say he's been one of the poorer owners in the league in that time - detached, unbothered, made a series of really poor decisions, is still making them.

To say, though, that this is all down to Lerner's tightfistedness is totally wrong. Yes, that's a part of it, as is his demonstrated inability to run a football club effectively (let's not forget, we're currently on a run of zero goals in five league matches and the manager - he of the new four year contract - is entirely untouchable, which says a lot about the way we are run).

That does not mean, though, that the persistent on-pitch rubbishness is entirely down to him, that's way off the mark.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Of course the financial cut back have had an effect, I'd be pretty naive if I thought otherwise. However, Lambert has had reasonable backing and he's got a decent enough squad of players there for us to be doing much better than we are.

Lerner should have sacked Lambert by now, that I think most people would agree with. Calling Randy Lerner 'tight fisted' though is unfair and like i've already pointed out, laughable (in my opinion of course).

[saunders_heroes]

Look at how poor we were last season. We went into the last week of the season in danger of going down, then we went out and spent a pitiful £7m in the summer.
I think "tight fisted" is the perfect way to describe Randy Lerner. His PR stunts mean nothing to me.

[Dave]

His PR stunts mean nothing to me.

It's been like that since Rapid Vienna .

[fbriai]

His PR stunts mean nothing to me.

It's been like that since Rapid Vienna .

Are we going for most-threads-in-concurrent-punathons record today?

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

I'm not laughing at the decline, i was laughing at your post.

Laugh away. Your constant defence of Lerner while his penny pinching plunges Villa into a painful decline is probably funny as well, but I don't find it amusing.

why would he throw more money at it? He hasn't got the finances to get us into the chumps league and so he isn't going to get any additional return on any money that he invests than he already is. He is a business man with a finite amount of money

the world changed when Man City came into money, and us being pretenders to the champions league at that time suffered more than probably most, especially as they also took our 2 best players at the time. We missed the boat back then I'm afraid

[andyh]

Lambert was employed by Lerner and is working within the pitiful budget offered to him by the man at the top.
The buck stops with Lerner.

Out of curiosity, do you think Lambert is getting the most out of the players he has?

Absolutely not. I want him out (and have done for 2 years now), but Lerner isn't capable of replacing him because he hasn't the ambition to get a decent replacement in and he won't give the new manager the budget required to get us out of this mess that he created. What ambitious manager would take over at Villa with such a tight fisted chairman in charge??

Calling Lerner tighfisted is the most hilarious thing i've ever read on here and I've been on here a few years. Laughable, utterly laughable.

Laugh all you like. What's not so funny is the decline of Aston Villa over the last 5 seasons, which in my opinion is all down to Lerner pulling the plug on finances.

I'm not laughing at the decline, i was laughing at your post.

Laugh away. Your constant defence of Lerner while his penny pinching plunges Villa into a painful decline is probably funny as well, but I don't find it amusing.

why would he throw more money at it? He hasn't got the finances to get us into the chumps league and so he isn't going to get any additional return on any money that he invests than he already is. He is a business man with a finite amount of money

the world changed when Man City came into money, and us being pretenders to the champions league at that time suffered more than probably most, especially as they also took our 2 best players at the time. We missed the boat back then I'm afraid

cough'Southampton'cough