The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[peter w]

You would think they would value the revenue of losing money on the gates and associated costs like pies and programme sales etc. Fox is a money man after all Dave.

As I said, God help us if they did things just because the fans wanted it.

It is the easiest time to sack a manger, mind.

[Percy McCarthy]

Has anyone ever heard Lambert say anything witty in his interviews?

Yes. After we beat Chelsea last season and he took the piss by copying what Jose said after our defeat in the away game - "he reminds me of me".

That's it I'm afraid.

[peter w]

I won't go down the road of demonising Lambert or posting offensive remarks about him. I like him. I genuinely do as so do quite a majority of the fans I'd imagine. He speak well of the club and looks like he cares. Its just not working any longer and I'm sorry Paul, it's not me, it's you. I hoped it work work out better but the magic just isn't there. You go again.

[Gareth]

You would think they would value the revenue of losing money on the gates and associated costs like pies and programme sales etc. Fox is a money man after all Dave.

Would have thought the prospect of losing the TV money in relegation might worry them...not sure the match day income loss this season is enough to make them fire Lambert. 

[silhillvilla]

Loss of TV money and lucrative sponsors will be the only concern. Home gates dropping from 38 to 32 k won't worry them much

[ktvillan]

I will be supporting my team and manager at Burnley in two Weeks, that is the only fact I know.

I understand supporting the team, but I will never understand anyone supporting a manager that shows all the signs of eventually getting us relegated, whilst boring the pants off the entire galaxy into the bargain.  I simply don't see how that is helping the club in any way.  The vocal protests against TSM probably tipped the scales with Lerner, and his attitude seems to be that if the fans aren't complaining vocally, there isn't a problem.  Other teams call very vocally and visibly for the head of their managers if they are underperforming  - Man Yoo with Moyes, and the Spurs fans are already getting impatient with Pochettino for example -  and no-one bats an eyelid.  Yet some Villa fans still have this odd view that you aren't a real fan if you do that.  Of course you are if your motivation is the long-term benefit of the club as a whole.  And the club clearly needs a better manager than Lambert.  No manager ever has an injury free squad to work with, but they can still often demonstrate they  have the necessary tactical and motivational skills at this level.  You seem to think Lambert has something worth backing, but Christ knows why when he has failed to demonstrate those things in two and a bit seasons.  Still you carry on being a "good fan" and I hope you enjoy your regular dose of some of the most sterile,  unimaginative,  losing football that has ever blighted the top division, while the club slips slowly down the pan.

[Legion]

I will be supporting my team and manager at Burnley in two Weeks, that is the only fact I know.

I understand supporting the team, but I will never understand anyone supporting a manager that shows all the signs of eventually getting us relegated, whilst boring the pants off the entire galaxy into the bargain.  I simply don't see how that is helping the club in any way.  The vocal protests against TSM probably tipped the scales with Lerner, and his attitude seems to be that if the fans aren't complaining vocally, there isn't a problem.  Other teams call very vocally and visibly for the head of their managers if they are underperforming  - Man Yoo with Moyes, and the Spurs fans are already getting impatient with Pochettino for example -  and no-one bats an eyelid.  Yet some Villa fans still have this odd view that you aren't a real fan if you do that.  Of course you are if your motivation is the long-term benefit of the club as a whole.  And the club clearly needs a better manager than Lambert.  No manager ever has an injury free squad to work with, but they can still often demonstrate they  have the necessary tactical and motivational skills at this level.  You seem to think Lambert has something worth backing, but Christ knows why when he has failed to demonstrate those things in two and a bit seasons.  I hope you enjoy your regular dose of some of the most sterile,  unimaginative,  losing football that has ever blighted the top division, while the club slips slowly down the pan.

This. Many times over.

[aj2k77]

I will be supporting my team and manager at Burnley in two Weeks, that is the only fact I know.

I understand supporting the team, but I will never understand anyone supporting a manager that shows all the signs of eventually getting us relegated, whilst boring the pants off the entire galaxy into the bargain.  I simply don't see how that is helping the club in any way.  The vocal protests against TSM probably tipped the scales with Lerner, and his attitude seems to be that if the fans aren't complaining vocally, there isn't a problem.  Other teams call very vocally and visibly for the head of their managers if they are underperforming  - Man Yoo with Moyes, and the Spurs fans are already getting impatient with Pochettino for example -  and no-one bats an eyelid.  Yet some Villa fans still have this odd view that you aren't a real fan if you do that.  Of course you are if your motivation is the long-term benefit of the club as a whole.  And the club clearly needs a better manager than Lambert.  No manager ever has an injury free squad to work with, but they can still often demonstrate they  have the necessary tactical and motivational skills at this level.  You seem to think Lambert has something worth backing, but Christ knows why when he has failed to demonstrate those things in two and a bit seasons.  Still you carry on being a "good fan" and I hope you enjoy your regular dose of some of the most sterile,  unimaginative,  losing football that has ever blighted the top division, while the club slips slowly down the pan.

I think we're still reeling a bit from all the negative press we've received the last 10 years.

O'Leary started it with the fickle sugar bags comment, because we rightly wouldn't stand the shit he spouted. The press clung on to it when their best mate Marty threw his toys out of the pram and rather than look deeper in to his reign we were expected to be grateful for finishing 6th and being royally shat on hours before a new season started by a man with no principles.

Since then we've shown the patience of saints enduring 5 years of pretty much shit on a weekly basis. If what came before hadn't been then there is no way Mcleish or Lambert would have gotten the easy ride they did.

[Toronto Villa]

I will be supporting my team and manager at Burnley in two Weeks, that is the only fact I know.

I understand supporting the team, but I will never understand anyone supporting a manager that shows all the signs of eventually getting us relegated, whilst boring the pants off the entire galaxy into the bargain.  I simply don't see how that is helping the club in any way.  The vocal protests against TSM probably tipped the scales with Lerner, and his attitude seems to be that if the fans aren't complaining vocally, there isn't a problem.  Other teams call very vocally and visibly for the head of their managers if they are underperforming  - Man Yoo with Moyes, and the Spurs fans are already getting impatient with Pochettino for example -  and no-one bats an eyelid.  Yet some Villa fans still have this odd view that you aren't a real fan if you do that.  Of course you are if your motivation is the long-term benefit of the club as a whole.  And the club clearly needs a better manager than Lambert.  No manager ever has an injury free squad to work with, but they can still often demonstrate they  have the necessary tactical and motivational skills at this level.  You seem to think Lambert has something worth backing, but Christ knows why when he has failed to demonstrate those things in two and a bit seasons.  Still you carry on being a "good fan" and I hope you enjoy your regular dose of some of the most sterile,  unimaginative,  losing football that has ever blighted the top division, while the club slips slowly down the pan.

I think all fans have a snapping point. Mine was longer than others. Others are longer than mine. It neither makes you a good or a bad fan as to when you decide enough is enough, and certainly irrespective of how often you actually go to games. It makes not a jot of difference on someone's ability to have an opinion on the club they follow. I certainly find it pathetic to call any fan a laptop warrior, and especially forsomeone like me  as others who lives far away.

For me, like many others now it is not going to make a difference having any more patience. It isn't going to change and I would rather we no longer threw money at this particular this situation or in aid of this manager.

[mike]

God help us if the men in charge do things by popular request.

I've often mused on whether the collective wisdom of many thousands of amateurs, some well informed and insightful, some complete tossers would outperform the trained professional, who is only capable of seeing things from his own point of view, which of necessity will include some prejudice or misinformation. This forum, for example has footballing brains ranging from Brian Green to, well me, and 76% of 400 of us think the expert is getting it all wrong.

[footyskillz]

Paul Lambert believes he can enjoy a turnaround. I think a continued positive spin shows he does talk sense despite some people indicating his faults in his stewardship. He has always said he acknowledges the fans and that they have been great. I think that shows a decent attitude despite the continued disparaging remarks towards his managing. As much as its acknowledged the loss in cup matches to lower league sides  Chelsea , Manchester City Arsenal and Liverpool all have been beaten under Lambert and these sort of achievements must also be recognized. Its also noted in many games Villa have been competitive in matches so despite the unwanted records their is a belief things can turn round. The next 4 or 5 matches will give a good indication where Aston Villa are heading. I stress that in football things can change and happen quickly Newcastle and West Ham have shown a change and are an example of  managers under pressure who now perform. Lambert by his own admission is not under any pressure and this can help Villa find the right game plan to consistently win matches once again.

[Ron Manager]

Paul Lambert believes he can enjoy a turnaround. I think a continued positive spin shows he does talk sense despite some people indicating his faults in his stewardship. He has always said he acknowledges the fans and that they have been great. I think that shows a decent attitude despite the continued disparaging remarks towards his managing. As much as its acknowledged the loss in cup matches to lower league sides  Chelsea , Manchester City Arsenal and Liverpool all have been beaten under Lambert and these sort of achievements must also be recognized. Its also noted in many games Villa have been competitive in matches so despite the unwanted records their is a belief things can turn round. The next 4 or 5 matches will give a good indication where Aston Villa are heading. I stress that in football things can change and happen quickly Newcastle and West Ham have shown a change and are an example of  managers under pressure who now perform. Lambert by his own admission is not under any pressure and this can help Villa find the right game plan to consistently win matches once again.

Well said that man! I believe Randy should extend Mr Lamberts contract even further and buy him a new pair of glasses so he can see what we can see.

[footyskillz]

Its good to get the debate and discussion far more balanced. If i can point you in direction of a Lambert interview he gave in the Birmingham Mail where he clearly stated and led with the headline "I did not come to Aston Villa for seasons of struggle" shows Lambert knows his business.

“I’m not one to look after my own back, that’s not the way I am as person. The team, the club is more important than me.”

In arguably the most candid comments of his 22-month reign, Lambert cast his trademark positivity aside to finally confront a bleaker picture.

“There’s a lot of stuff that people don’t see,” said Lambert.

“Am I happy where we are? No. Did I come to Aston Villa to do this? No.

“This club should be higher, there’s no two ways about it. It’s got a great tradition and a great pedigree."

These quotes are intended to be read by fans as to understand Lamberts feelings. Keep the faith. Lambert certainly does

[Mister E]

Paul Lambert believes he can enjoy a turnaround. I think a continued positive spin shows he does talk sense despite some people indicating his faults in his stewardship. He has always said he acknowledges the fans and that they have been great. I think that shows a decent attitude despite the continued disparaging remarks towards his managing. As much as its acknowledged the loss in cup matches to lower league sides  Chelsea , Manchester City Arsenal and Liverpool all have been beaten under Lambert and these sort of achievements must also be recognized. Its also noted in many games Villa have been competitive in matches so despite the unwanted records their is a belief things can turn round. The next 4 or 5 matches will give a good indication where Aston Villa are heading. I stress that in football things can change and happen quickly Newcastle and West Ham have shown a change and are an example of  managers under pressure who now perform. Lambert by his own admission is not under any pressure and this can help Villa find the right game plan to consistently win matches once again.

I don't many would question his attitude. It's his technical and motivational capability that come up short every time.
 He's a dead man walking.

[Toronto Villa]

Its good to get the debate and discussion far more balanced. If i can point you in direction of a Lambert interview he gave in the Birmingham Mail where he clearly stated and led with the headline "I did not come to Aston Villa for seasons of struggle" shows Lambert knows his business.

“I’m not one to look after my own back, that’s not the way I am as person. The team, the club is more important than me.”

In arguably the most candid comments of his 22-month reign, Lambert cast his trademark positivity aside to finally confront a bleaker picture.

“There’s a lot of stuff that people don’t see,” said Lambert.

“Am I happy where we are? No. Did I come to Aston Villa to do this? No.

“This club should be higher, there’s no two ways about it. It’s got a great tradition and a great pedigree."

These quotes are intended to be read by fans as to understand Lamberts feelings. Keep the faith. Lambert certainly does

It's what Lambert keeps faith in that worries most of us.