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Offline Phil from the upper holte

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #930 on: January 04, 2014, 10:34:53 PM »
Randy needs to appoint a new Project Manager. I fucking hate Lambert.

Agree x 100.

I'm thoroughly sick of this shit.  The embarrassments that are stacking up under his tenure are unbearable. We deserve better than this.   

He's not going to sack him, though.

Lambert has bought into the project, Lerner and Faulkner think the project is viable, and that's the problem.

Honestly, it beggars belief. What you need to do is get rid of almost every one of the high earning players. Then, you replace them with kids from the youth team, or players from the lower leagues in this country or selling leagues in Europe.

So, we have a manageable wage bill, but we also have a squad choc full of lower leagues players. It's all well and good boasting that a player only cost us 1m or 2m, but too often these are players who have demonstrated exactly why they only cost that much.

Still, they persist in this belief that, really, all you need to do is wait for these players to "bed in", for the youngsters to get a bit older, and turn into really good players.

It is absolute fucking nonsense. Paying big wages to a player is no guarantee of success, but paying low wages to a squad full of lower league players almost guarantees you'll have no success.

Look at some of the absolute dross we've been playing. Luna, FFS, Tonev, who looks utterly out of place. Why is Weimann getting played week in, week out? I just read something on the Evening Mail website where Lambert - this week - was saying Nathan Baker has been "a big player for us this season".

Really? It must be a different Nathan Baker he's thinking of, because the one I see has been fucking rubbish, week in, week out.

The whole upper echelon of the club are absolutely deluding themselves. Randy can sit in Cleveland, or New York, or wherever he is today (obviously, we know where he won't be), and tell himself that they've hit upon a master plan all he likes, but the evidence is that we are failing even to stand still, we are going backwards.

It all takes a certain arrogance - if it was really just a matter of buying kids and waiting for them to click, don't they think *everyone* would be doing this? It hasn't worked, it isn't working now, and it will not work.

I just hope that at some point very, very soon, one of them pulls his head out of the fucking sand and does something, because the whole thing is a depressing mess at the moment.

I don't give the first shit that we are 11th right now. That's not the point. Look at the gap between us and the arse end of the table, and look at where the on-field momentum suggests we are heading. We've got Arsenal and Liverpool next, two sides who play actual football. Where do we think we are going to be after that?

The whole situation is a mess, and the people responsible for it should be ashamed of the laughable disaster they've turned this club into in the last three or four years.

You are bang on sir, problem is people just want to blame Lambert for everything but the real problem comes from the top. Why did the fat Spanish waiter, ogs, and Martinez not take the Job? Because they knew they'd have nothing to spend and they'd be on a hiding to nothing which is why Mon walked

Offline danlanza

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #931 on: January 04, 2014, 10:36:03 PM »
Remember this lot ?
Who sold the franchise not so long ago.
Didn't he do a good ob of ruining them to ?
http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #932 on: January 04, 2014, 10:37:51 PM »
Maybe Lambert is working within financial constraints, but I refuse to believe the team is this bad just because the players are from lower leagues.

Offline Irish villain

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #933 on: January 04, 2014, 10:38:03 PM »
Good point about OGS. If they had really wanted himoriginally, they had a perfect opportunity to show some vision by sacking Lambert (they had every excuse a week ago) and gazumping Cardiff to take OGS to Villa.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #934 on: January 04, 2014, 10:40:15 PM »
Randy needs to appoint a new Project Manager. I fucking hate Lambert.

Agree x 100.

I'm thoroughly sick of this shit.  The embarrassments that are stacking up under his tenure are unbearable. We deserve better than this.   

He's not going to sack him, though.

Lambert has bought into the project, Lerner and Faulkner think the project is viable, and that's the problem.

Honestly, it beggars belief. What you need to do is get rid of almost every one of the high earning players. Then, you replace them with kids from the youth team, or players from the lower leagues in this country or selling leagues in Europe.

So, we have a manageable wage bill, but we also have a squad choc full of lower leagues players. It's all well and good boasting that a player only cost us 1m or 2m, but too often these are players who have demonstrated exactly why they only cost that much.

Still, they persist in this belief that, really, all you need to do is wait for these players to "bed in", for the youngsters to get a bit older, and turn into really good players.

It is absolute fucking nonsense. Paying big wages to a player is no guarantee of success, but paying low wages to a squad full of lower league players almost guarantees you'll have no success.

Look at some of the absolute dross we've been playing. Luna, FFS, Tonev, who looks utterly out of place. Why is Weimann getting played week in, week out? I just read something on the Evening Mail website where Lambert - this week - was saying Nathan Baker has been "a big player for us this season".

Really? It must be a different Nathan Baker he's thinking of, because the one I see has been fucking rubbish, week in, week out.

The whole upper echelon of the club are absolutely deluding themselves. Randy can sit in Cleveland, or New York, or wherever he is today (obviously, we know where he won't be), and tell himself that they've hit upon a master plan all he likes, but the evidence is that we are failing even to stand still, we are going backwards.

It all takes a certain arrogance - if it was really just a matter of buying kids and waiting for them to click, don't they think *everyone* would be doing this? It hasn't worked, it isn't working now, and it will not work.

I just hope that at some point very, very soon, one of them pulls his head out of the fucking sand and does something, because the whole thing is a depressing mess at the moment.

I don't give the first shit that we are 11th right now. That's not the point. Look at the gap between us and the arse end of the table, and look at where the on-field momentum suggests we are heading. We've got Arsenal and Liverpool next, two sides who play actual football. Where do we think we are going to be after that?

The whole situation is a mess, and the people responsible for it should be ashamed of the laughable disaster they've turned this club into in the last three or four years.

You are bang on sir, problem is people just want to blame Lambert for everything but the real problem comes from the top. Why did the fat Spanish waiter, ogs, and Martinez not take the Job? Because they knew they'd have nothing to spend and they'd be on a hiding to nothing which is why Mon walked
It does seem like Mission Impossible. It will take a very brave man to fill the void if Lambert goes.

Offline ciggiesnbeer

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #935 on: January 04, 2014, 10:40:50 PM »
Honestly I dont think they wanted OGS or Martinez. Thats why they never offered them the job. We can discuss whether they were wrong or not but I think they thought McCleish then lambert were the better candidates.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #936 on: January 04, 2014, 10:40:54 PM »
Excellent post by the way.

Offline danlanza

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #937 on: January 04, 2014, 10:42:06 PM »
Watch this and your pain will grow even more.

Online paul_e

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #938 on: January 04, 2014, 10:44:48 PM »
I disagree, I think the players are playing their best, they are just not good enough at this level (with the obvious exceptions).

I think we've seen enough from most of these players to know that they can play a much better standard of football than they have been this season. We've seen some excellent football from a lot of these players at times, which would suggest that their downturn in form this season is more due to coaching and management than their own innate lack of skills. I'm not saying they're all world beaters, but that i think they could consistently play better than they have been if we had a good manager.

I agree, to disagree with this means, effectively, that you think our points (remember we're 11th so we've earned a fair few of them) are down to Lambert getting the team to be more than the sum of it's parts.  If you think that then you should be focused on why he's bought as he has and whether he needs someone in there to handle signings for him.  Personally I think the opposite is true, I think he has a decent eye for a player but he's struggling to find the right way to use them.

Offline David_Nab

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #939 on: January 04, 2014, 10:44:59 PM »
If the players brought can not compete with the likes of Bradford and Shef United then really they are as much of a waste of money as paying Beye 40k a week.Infact paying Hutton who granted is no world beater 40k a week to sit on his ass whilst both Bacuna and Lowton have been shocking is also a waste of money !

Today Shef United attacked and looked a threat we passed and passed and then lumped it in the box how in the fuck is this still happening 18months into the project.Honestly if we had more strikers on the bench today we would have been sending them all on like we did against Bradford.

When he was appointed I read about his time bringing Norwich up ,how he got coaching badges in Germany and was excited.Now seems he is MON lite.Same game plan but less funds , at least MON had the good sense when he had little cash at Leicester to put experienced heads in the team.The fact he is now talking about getting experience proves he was wrong all along !





Offline curiousorange

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #940 on: January 04, 2014, 10:46:02 PM »
We've been lucky on the field and incredibly unlucky off it.

Offline Phil from the upper holte

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #941 on: January 04, 2014, 10:53:45 PM »
Honestly I dont think they wanted OGS or Martinez. Thats why they never offered them the job. We can discuss whether they were wrong or not but I think they thought McCleish then lambert were the better candidates.

Which tells you what you needed to know, they wanted someone to work on a budget. Mc Shit had a lot of experience of this

Offline Fergal

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #942 on: January 04, 2014, 10:56:53 PM »
It's piss plain obvious to anyone watching what is happeningg to our club that something has to change.  What are out options?
Keep calm and hope things work out with the current manager and the squad we have?
Sack the manager and hope someone else can sort the problem with out current squad?
Keep the manager and spend enough on players and wages to make us a decent Premiership club?
Sack the manager and go for a new manager and give him the money to sort us out?

The one thing that is certain is that the owner does not have a clue how to run a football club and until Randy sells to someone who does or employs someone who does we will continue on a downward spiral until we are relegated.
I really believed we had the best owner in the world and I believed in the bright future that was promised.  Sadly Randy has let us all down, as soon as things got tough he fucked off just like the General did.
As a club we are on freefall lurching from one failing managerial appointment to another leading to dodging relegation season after season.  Serving up shit football and giving us some of the most embarassing results in the clubs history, 2 shots on goal against a club near the bottom of the old 3rd division was todays effort.
Something needs to change and soon or the damage will take decades to fix.

Offline Phil from the upper holte

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #943 on: January 04, 2014, 11:01:45 PM »
Having a lightweight inept midfield doesn't help, they can't create fuck all

Offline Phil from the upper holte

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #944 on: January 04, 2014, 11:02:23 PM »
They've even made Albrighton look decent

 


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