Aston Villa v Manchester United Post-Match Thread

[PeterWithesShin]

Has nothing to do with the point I was making. I haven't said we weren't shit today, or that we haven't been for a while. I was pointing out that a team that has lost 2 of 15 before they play us aren't in absolutely shit form.

[Villafirst]

Glad I didn't bother to go today. Predictable dross.

[PaulWinch again]

Great to see Albrighton have such a good game, the rest of them, without exception, were rubbish.

Agreed.

[Gareth]

Dreadful, Albrighton apart most of the rest were inept...the 3 in the centre & Benteke were beyond inept....

Worst United side I've ever seen, if Luna had tried marking Valencia at any stage of the game it might have helped.

After the 3rd it became a training game, why not put 20 mins into Gardners legs?

Highlight of the game was seeing Sylla get a ball and look up, like there was any chance he would pass it forwards!

Does the ref get penalised for forgetting to pack his red card?

[curiousorange]

What's frustrating is that people come on here after all of these crap performances and pour out bile, then by tomorrow the majority will revert back to their default 'it's not the manager's fault' stance.

After the Fulham game last week, I was talking to the missus and I said I wouldn't care if Lambert was sacked overnight. I haven't changed that opinion. All I can see is that the players are worse than they were last season, and it suggests to me that the manager hasn't got a clue what to do about it or he hasn't actually noticed.

[Ducksworthy]

Has nothing to do with the point I was making. I haven't said we weren't shit today, or that we haven't been for a while. I was pointing out that a team that has lost 2 of 15 before they play us aren't in absolutely shit form.

Absolutely shit form relative to not just this season but both their abilities and their previous achievements. Villa Park has got to be a favourite for any teams low on confidence that aren't AVFC.

[hilts_coolerking]

Has nothing to do with the point I was making. I haven't said we weren't shit today, or that we haven't been for a while. I was pointing out that a team that has lost 2 of 15 before they play us aren't in absolutely shit form.

No but they are having their worst season in a long time.  It's fair to say this isn't a vintage Man Utd.

[onje_villa]

Far more embarrassing than the lack of quality, which is alarming and the lack of tactical nous which is ridiculous, is the seeming acceptance of "this is where we belong". Fuck off to that.

42,000 in to one of the finest grounds in the country, one of the proudest clubs in the history of the game. In the country's second city. Fuck right off. Show some ambition, invest in quality and do it now.

End the experiment now.

[eamonn]

The game we gave Chelsea at Stamford Bridge set a benchmark for how to approach battles with the top teams. In their faces (moreso than at Arsenal on the opening day), resolute and not afraid to have a go even when behind. That evaporated all too quickly against Liverpool in our next game and we've not rediscovered it since.

Today we huffed and puffed. The amount of times a player in midfield would do well to extricate himself from opponents before taking the ball on and losing it due to no one moving into space or passing into space without looking and losing possession was depressing to see.
Yanited, and all the good teams, have players who can anticipate the ball and predict the breaking ball. Our lot just don't seem to have the noggins to think. Equally we ball-watch and lose our men when defending i.e. Westwood for the second goal.

[SamTheMouse]

And come to think of it, isn't it a bit ridiculous that as a club which now wants to do things on the tightest budget possible, we have a 5 or 6 million quid striker sitting on the bench regularly?
 
I mean, we're lacking quality in a number of positions. Last season, our best outfield player was a striker. So why spend so much of your very limited funds buying another one, when it's your midfield and defence that are struggling?

[Dave Clark Five]

Depressing. Predicatable. I honestly can see me going to the grave before we ever see these buggers piss all over us on our own turf. There must be some real dross below us if we are still so high in the table.

Bang on!

[supertom]

Has nothing to do with the point I was making. I haven't said we weren't shit today, or that we haven't been for a while. I was pointing out that a team that has lost 2 of 15 before they play us aren't in absolutely shit form.

Obviously not but in terms of the press and their attitude to the Holy Utd. That constitutes shit form.

[onje_villa]

Yes Marc was excellent I'm really pleased for him.

I honestly think that was one of the worst defensive performances of all-time from Baker though. What the hell was going on for that 2nd goal?

-965/10 for him. We've been unlucky with injuries this season. January's going to be key, if we lose Vlaar for any length of time, we could be in real trouble.

[pbavfckuwait]

Sorry but today as normal against the shite we roll over, but if Luna ever wears a villa shirt again, that player is a disgrace, Kea what t f  and the managers answer to everything whether we are playing Man shite or Bradford is to put another forward on, tactical manager he is not and for the first time this season and since he has been here I want him out.

[brontebilly]

On form we are the worst side in the league imo but form can change. Delph back next week is a plus. Thought Albrighton had a very good game but unfortunately our forwards are like statues at the moment. Lowton was an improvement on Bacuna. Played better than at Fulham but that's the end of the positives.
To be honest the result was predictable, I've made a good stab into my Xmas expenses backing United -1 today. 3.1 was crazy value considering our injuries and the quality gap between some of the individuals on both sides.
The left side of our defence was obliterated. I suggested pre-game Hutton should have been played there if we were content to hang someone out to dry. Any thought that Baker is good enough for this level or ever will be was extinguished today. Luna is a charlatan of epic proportions. Luna, Bennett, Stevens, Warnock, Shorey - our left back hall of shame. Neither Baker or Luna should be in the squad come January. Sylla is another one that looks like he has won a competition to play at the club. Kea is hopeless, Westwood is lost. Up front we have nothing just forwards with pathetic movement and worse first touches.
Batten down the hatches lads, this could get a lot worse before it gets better.
A final moan, thought Gardner could have come on for the final minutes instead of Bacuna. Would have given the lad a boost.
With Gabby out and Weimann pointless would recommend Benteke and Kozak up front next week with Albrighton on left and Bacuna on right. Might have to play Kea with Westwood and move Delph to left back. Would prefer to have Alfie Moon from eastenders at left back than that chancer.