Are we a boring outfit?

[Dave Clark Five]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

Only a question. Thanks for answering.

What was the point of the question? Were you trying to establish how worthy a fan I am to be involved in this discussion?

Thanks for assuming I was calling you a lesser fan, and announcing it on more than one forum. Everyone that I spoke to after the game, and there were many of them, all thought it was a crap performance. I just wondered how you could have thought so differently than the majority of people there. However you watched the game, how did you manage to come to the conclusion that it was not shit?

[Toronto Villa]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

Only a question. Thanks for answering.

What was the point of the question? Were you trying to establish how worthy a fan I am to be involved in this discussion?

Thanks for assuming I was calling you a lesser fan, and announcing it on more than one forum. Everyone that I spoke to after the game, and there were many of them, all thought it was a crap performance. I just wondered how you could have thought so differently than the majority of people there. However you watched the game, how did you manage to come to the conclusion that it was not shit?

There was a million other ways you could have asked that question without it coming over the way that it did. Yes, I watched it. Yes, I thought it was shit. What I find bizarre is how you have come to the conclusion from any of my posts that I saw it any differently.

[Dave Clark Five]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

Only a question. Thanks for answering.

What was the point of the question? Were you trying to establish how worthy a fan I am to be involved in this discussion?

Thanks for assuming I was calling you a lesser fan, and announcing it on more than one forum. Everyone that I spoke to after the game, and there were many of them, all thought it was a crap performance. I just wondered how you could have thought so differently than the majority of people there. However you watched the game, how did you manage to come to the conclusion that it was not shit?

There was a million other ways you could have asked that question without it coming over the way that it did. Yes, I watched it. Yes, I thought it was shit. What I find bizarre is how you have come to the conclusion from any of my posts that I saw it any differently.

It came over how you wanted to read it. I get asked 'are you going' or 'did you go' all the time and it never sets me off in a tantrum.

[Toronto Villa]

I really don't care Dave to be honest. I wasn't the only one to interpret it that way. I don't recall you asking paulie if he went to the game earlier in the thread. So why me? If you disagreed with my view that's fine. That's why we're here. But you didn't challenge my view which would have been the logical thing to do.

[Dave Clark Five]

'You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.'

That's what I said to Paulie. Pick a hole in that. It was not a go at him, just a statement.

[Dave Clark Five]

I really don't care Dave to be honest. I wasn't the only one to interpret it that way. I don't recall you asking paulie if he went to the game earlier in the thread. So why me? If you disagreed with my view that's fine. That's why we're here. But you didn't challenge my view which would have been the logical thing to do.

I was, and still am, challenging you view that we were 'not close to as shit as some people are fainting over'.

[Toronto Villa]

'You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.'

That's what I said to Paulie. Pick a hole in that. It was not a go at him, just a statement.

So you asked him a question and not whether he was at the game. No difference at all with what you asked me is there?

[Toronto Villa]

I really don't care Dave to be honest. I wasn't the only one to interpret it that way. I don't recall you asking paulie if he went to the game earlier in the thread. So why me? If you disagreed with my view that's fine. That's why we're here. But you didn't challenge my view which would have been the logical thing to do.

I was, and still am, challenging you view that we were 'not close to as shit as some people are fainting over'.

Sorry, when did you ask me that? Because I don't seem to see it reading back over the last couple of pages. Can you please point that out for me.

[pauliewalnuts]

'You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.'

That's what I said to Paulie. Pick a hole in that. It was not a go at him, just a statement.

That's fair enough, but you specifically asked Toronto Villa if he was at the game, which you know he wasn't, as he's 3000 miles away.

You did indeed say to me what you quoted above, which is fine, that's what we're all happy arguing about, but there's really no need to throw in the "were you there" rhetorical question like you did to him.

It smacks a bit of "better fan than you". You're a better fan than everyone else on here in that sense, then, because we know your commitment to going to the matches is absolutely phenomenal (even borderline mental, ;-) ), but we don't let that whole better fan thing go on here for a reason - because it's not fair, and it just ends in gigantic rows.

[Toronto Villa]

And that's the thing paulie. i am well aware of DC5's commitment to the club and would never, ever question it. I have read and agreed with much of his input over the years. I found it completely unnecessary for someone of his repute to have asked that question.

[Dave Clark Five]

And that's the thing paulie. i am well aware of DC5's commitment to the club and would never, ever question it. I have read and agreed with much of his input over the years. I found it completely unnecessary for someone of his repute to have asked that question.

'You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.'

That's what I said to Paulie. Pick a hole in that. It was not a go at him, just a statement.

That's fair enough, but you specifically asked Toronto Villa if he was at the game, which you know he wasn't, as he's 3000 miles away.

You did indeed say to me what you quoted above, which is fine, that's what we're all happy arguing about, but there's really no need to throw in the "were you there" rhetorical question like you did to him.

It smacks a bit of "better fan than you". You're a better fan than everyone else on here in that sense, then, because we know your commitment to going to the matches is absolutely phenomenal (even borderline mental, ;-) ), but we don't let that whole better fan thing go on here for a reason - because it's not fair, and it just ends in gigantic rows.

No need for all that. You are making a lot more of it that you need to. This place is turning into a Kangaroo Court.

[pauliewalnuts]

And that's the thing paulie. i am well aware of DC5's commitment to the club and would never, ever question it. I have read and agreed with much of his input over the years. I found it completely unnecessary for someone of his repute to have asked that question.

'You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.'

That's what I said to Paulie. Pick a hole in that. It was not a go at him, just a statement.

That's fair enough, but you specifically asked Toronto Villa if he was at the game, which you know he wasn't, as he's 3000 miles away.

You did indeed say to me what you quoted above, which is fine, that's what we're all happy arguing about, but there's really no need to throw in the "were you there" rhetorical question like you did to him.

It smacks a bit of "better fan than you". You're a better fan than everyone else on here in that sense, then, because we know your commitment to going to the matches is absolutely phenomenal (even borderline mental, ;-) ), but we don't let that whole better fan thing go on here for a reason - because it's not fair, and it just ends in gigantic rows.

No need for all that. You are making a lot more of it that you need to. This place is turning into a Kangaroo Court.

Bit of an exaggeration, surely?

It's not a kangaroo court, I took pains to explain it in a non-confrontational way.

It's just a reflection that it came across as a dig at the fact he wasn't at the game, which is something we'd pull everyone up for, and is the sort of thing we don't need.

That is all it is.

I suggest we draw a line under it now and move on?

[PaulWinch again]

At the moment we are pretty boring.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I think we have been solidly dull most of this season. Yesterday was particularly dire. However we have done alright points wise out of it.

On the bright side, I wonder if we have had our bad patch already in the league and we may actually do well over the Christmas/new year period unlike our collapse last season.

[garyshawsknee]

It's such a fine line sometimes though, as early goals change games and draws teams out which then suits us. We are going through a bit of stale patch, but we are up on points in comparison from matches from last season,have more points than this time last year and have a good run of games coming up. At least the defense isn't a laughing stock compared to last season and once Benteke is fully fit things will improve at the other end.