Are we a boring outfit?

[Dave Clark Five]

We have had some dull periods but usually when there has been some hope of getting back into the top echelons. At the moment, I keep wondering how we can stay in the Premier League. We are poor. The top sides are good. Those at the bottom are dire. Are the divisions below worse than us?

We're 10th at the moment, so on the evidence so far this season, there are plenty of sides worse than us.

We are capable of being absolutely shit - which is exactly how we've been for at least three years now - but we are nothing like one of the worst sides in the league.

For starters, though we frequently look about as creative as Liam Gallagher trying to come up with some lyrics, we have at least become more resilient at the back. If we were as creatively void as we are now plus as shit at the back as we were last season, then we probably would be in the relegation scrap.

We are currently 10th, one place behind Tottenham, and ahead of our Brazil 1970 near neighbours.

Our inability to keep the ball, pass it, or create many chances, combined with our misfiring best player and our several players who have regressed after a tough first season - all these things are very worrying, but to read some of the comments, you'd think we were in the relegation places.

You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.

[Toronto Villa]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

[supertom]

Close this thread. Prince William has spoken. At least if the pic in the caption competition is anything to go by.

[pauliewalnuts]

We have had some dull periods but usually when there has been some hope of getting back into the top echelons. At the moment, I keep wondering how we can stay in the Premier League. We are poor. The top sides are good. Those at the bottom are dire. Are the divisions below worse than us?

We're 10th at the moment, so on the evidence so far this season, there are plenty of sides worse than us.

We are capable of being absolutely shit - which is exactly how we've been for at least three years now - but we are nothing like one of the worst sides in the league.

For starters, though we frequently look about as creative as Liam Gallagher trying to come up with some lyrics, we have at least become more resilient at the back. If we were as creatively void as we are now plus as shit at the back as we were last season, then we probably would be in the relegation scrap.

We are currently 10th, one place behind Tottenham, and ahead of our Brazil 1970 near neighbours.

Our inability to keep the ball, pass it, or create many chances, combined with our misfiring best player and our several players who have regressed after a tough first season - all these things are very worrying, but to read some of the comments, you'd think we were in the relegation places.

You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.

You were the one who brought up staying in this league. I also didn't say we were good.

It's possible to think we're capable of playing very poorly - as we did today - but not think we need to worry about relegation this season.

[Dave Clark Five]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

[Toronto Villa]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

[Dave Clark Five]

We have had some dull periods but usually when there has been some hope of getting back into the top echelons. At the moment, I keep wondering how we can stay in the Premier League. We are poor. The top sides are good. Those at the bottom are dire. Are the divisions below worse than us?

We're 10th at the moment, so on the evidence so far this season, there are plenty of sides worse than us.

We are capable of being absolutely shit - which is exactly how we've been for at least three years now - but we are nothing like one of the worst sides in the league.

For starters, though we frequently look about as creative as Liam Gallagher trying to come up with some lyrics, we have at least become more resilient at the back. If we were as creatively void as we are now plus as shit at the back as we were last season, then we probably would be in the relegation scrap.

We are currently 10th, one place behind Tottenham, and ahead of our Brazil 1970 near neighbours.

Our inability to keep the ball, pass it, or create many chances, combined with our misfiring best player and our several players who have regressed after a tough first season - all these things are very worrying, but to read some of the comments, you'd think we were in the relegation places.

You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.

You were the one who brought up staying in this league. I also didn't say we were good.

It's possible to think we're capable of playing very poorly - as we did today - but not think we need to worry about relegation this season.

Not being relegation fodder is not being successful. Here we are again bickering about things. Is anybody happy?

[Dave Clark Five]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

Only a question. Thanks for answering.

[pauliewalnuts]

We have had some dull periods but usually when there has been some hope of getting back into the top echelons. At the moment, I keep wondering how we can stay in the Premier League. We are poor. The top sides are good. Those at the bottom are dire. Are the divisions below worse than us?

We're 10th at the moment, so on the evidence so far this season, there are plenty of sides worse than us.

We are capable of being absolutely shit - which is exactly how we've been for at least three years now - but we are nothing like one of the worst sides in the league.

For starters, though we frequently look about as creative as Liam Gallagher trying to come up with some lyrics, we have at least become more resilient at the back. If we were as creatively void as we are now plus as shit at the back as we were last season, then we probably would be in the relegation scrap.

We are currently 10th, one place behind Tottenham, and ahead of our Brazil 1970 near neighbours.

Our inability to keep the ball, pass it, or create many chances, combined with our misfiring best player and our several players who have regressed after a tough first season - all these things are very worrying, but to read some of the comments, you'd think we were in the relegation places.

You have to be fucking shit to get relegated from this league. The fact that we are mid table does not make us good. Let's all be honest about things.

You were the one who brought up staying in this league. I also didn't say we were good.

It's possible to think we're capable of playing very poorly - as we did today - but not think we need to worry about relegation this season.

Not being relegation fodder is not being successful. Here we are again bickering about things. Is anybody happy?

I know it isn't, I didn't say it was, so I'm not entirely sure why you're acting like I did. I'm not happy with us being shit, either, I am just pointing out that talk of relegation is somewhat over the top. You were the one who brought it up, I wouldn't even have mentioned it otherwise.

If you want to deduct from that that I am really happy with the way things are going, then I can't really stop you, but I can't see why you think anyone would be happy with a gigantic serving of guff like today.

[Toronto Villa]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as West Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

I watched it. What the hell does it matter whether i was there in person or not?

Only a question. Thanks for answering.

What was the point of the question? Were you trying to establish how worthy a fan I am to be involved in this discussion?

[Sexual Ealing]

I think he only likes it when McLeish is in charge.

[atomicjam]

Our misfiring top player not only has an affect on the fans but it has an affect on his teammates. I'm sure they all want to see the other Benteke as much as we do. It would make all of the hard work in getting us defensively sound well worth it. To think that we were shit and beyond repair is so depressing to read. Someone even suggested in the match thread that we weren't as good as youWest Ham because they'd just beaten Fulham 3-0. Because I must have missed where West Ham started the day 3rd in the league and not in the bottom three. It's not great but not close to as shit as some people are fainting over.

Were you at the game?

What a shite comment. Why does that matter? I disagree with you yet I was at the game.

[Axl Rose]

By large, I think we've been dreadfully boring this season. I enjoyed the first game, Chelsea was ok, the second half of the Liverpool game too. I quite enjoyed Rotherham in the cup.

Besides, this, the second half against Man City, the first half against Everton and....that's about it. I've watched pretty much every game in their entirety, I feel that the games against Norwich, Hull, West Ham and yesterday were simply drab and ridiculously uninteresting. I'm glad when we don't lose, but living abroad, I must watch most games online and I find most of the time, I'm writing emails or checking the internet, not even watching the Villa. I simply to listen to it passively. This is the first time in my Villa supporting life that I've taken such little interest of what is going on on my computer screen.

However, I'll be home for Christmas and will be taking my dad and sisters Cardiff supporting fiance along to the Palace and Swansea games.
Up the Villa!

[aj2k77]

I think the point we have to mull over stats and pick them to the bare bones looking for shreds of evidence that prove otherwise tells me we are a boring side. There may be another 6 sides or s shitter in the league than us but I don't care, I don't have to watch them and would rather there were 19 sides shitter than us. I'm more concerned with the terrible football we play, lack of chances, lack of flair, lack of ability.

How many times have you left the match this season and thought yeah good game, so and so's a real player? . How many times have you left the game and came up with reasons why the performance doesn't matter?

[Lee]

We are boring, we are predictable and whilst in patches yesterday we at least tried, the lack of any real quality in the side and a misfiring Benteke means it will not change in the short term.