Quote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.
Is he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.
Quote from: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PMQuote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.
Quote from: brontebilly on November 08, 2016, 08:17:21 AMQuote from: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PMQuote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.Agree brontebilly but I give him a lot of credit for not just sinking into the mire along with all lazy bastards as it would have been easy to just give up
His attitude and professionalism given how he was treated for two years marks him out from many of his peers.
Quote from: brontebilly on November 08, 2016, 08:17:21 AMQuote from: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PMQuote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.Awful is a bit much. There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player. He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude. Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them. I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 08, 2016, 10:04:24 AMQuote from: brontebilly on November 08, 2016, 08:17:21 AMQuote from: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PMQuote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.Awful is a bit much. There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player. He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude. Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them. I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.Agreed, he is more of a Cafu. I don't particularly rate him but he's the least worst right back option we have at the moment.
Quote from: TheTimVilla on November 09, 2016, 07:45:03 AMQuote from: chrisw1 on November 08, 2016, 10:04:24 AMQuote from: brontebilly on November 08, 2016, 08:17:21 AMQuote from: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PMQuote from: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PMIs he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better. He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst. Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him. I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.Awful is a bit much. There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player. He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude. Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them. I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.Agreed, he is more of a Cafu. I don't particularly rate him but he's the least worst right back option we have at the moment.Given Amavi & Cissoko's contributions to defensive solidity, he could be in with a shout of being the least worst left-back option we have too!
How much was De Laet?