Quote from: Villan For Life on December 18, 2013, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 12:42:11 PMI'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.As should the captain. Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 12:42:11 PMI'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.
Compton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 03:35:05 PMCompton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going. I would go with Sam Robson @ Middlesex
Quote from: spangley1812 on December 19, 2013, 05:36:31 AMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 03:35:05 PMCompton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going. I would go with Sam Robson @ Middlesex Yeah Robson does look a good prospect, but he's more middle order isn't he?
I see swann has made the headlines for a comment that we were arse raped - this tour gets worse by the day !
Swann is fast turning into something of a cretin.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2013, 01:08:39 AMQuote from: Villan For Life on December 18, 2013, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 12:42:11 PMI'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.As should the captain. Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side. I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time. Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason.
Quote from: OzVilla on December 19, 2013, 05:34:34 AMQuote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2013, 01:08:39 AMQuote from: Villan For Life on December 18, 2013, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 12:42:11 PMI'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.As should the captain. Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side. I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time. Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason. Could be the case, but I would rest him along with Prior and Anderson once the test series is over. I'd go with an ODI team (in both T20 and 50 overs) of:Bell, Carberry, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Treadwell, Rankin / FinnGive someone else the chance to captain the side.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2013, 07:02:43 PMQuote from: OzVilla on December 19, 2013, 05:34:34 AMQuote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2013, 01:08:39 AMQuote from: Villan For Life on December 18, 2013, 02:53:12 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2013, 12:42:11 PMI'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.As should the captain. Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side. I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time. Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason. Could be the case, but I would rest him along with Prior and Anderson once the test series is over. I'd go with an ODI team (in both T20 and 50 overs) of:Bell, Carberry, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Treadwell, Rankin / FinnGive someone else the chance to captain the side.Don't Broad and Morgan captain/vice captain the limited overs sides anyway?