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Offline OzVilla

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1080 on: December 19, 2013, 05:34:34 AM »
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.

I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.

They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.

As should the captain.  Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.

Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side.  I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.

Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time.  Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.

Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason. 
 


Offline spangley1812

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1081 on: December 19, 2013, 05:36:31 AM »
Compton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going.

I would go with Sam Robson @ Middlesex

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1082 on: December 19, 2013, 08:44:51 AM »
I see swann has made the headlines for a comment that we were arse raped - this tour gets worse by the day !

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1083 on: December 19, 2013, 08:51:44 AM »
Compton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going.

I would go with Sam Robson @ Middlesex

Yeah Robson does look a good prospect, but he's more middle order isn't he?

Offline spangley1812

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1084 on: December 19, 2013, 12:05:06 PM »
Compton could be an option if he relaxes and gets his scoring rate going.

I would go with Sam Robson @ Middlesex

Yeah Robson does look a good prospect, but he's more middle order isn't he?

Definately opens for Middlesex

Offline spangley1812

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1085 on: December 19, 2013, 12:08:57 PM »
I see swann has made the headlines for a comment that we were arse raped - this tour gets worse by the day !

I think England should ban him for the next test (was likely to be dropped anyway)

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1086 on: December 19, 2013, 12:14:28 PM »
That's fair enough, I've only seen a few clips of Robson but he looked promising.

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1087 on: December 19, 2013, 04:32:48 PM »
Swann is fast turning into something of a cretin.

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1088 on: December 19, 2013, 04:52:48 PM »
Swann is fast turning into something of a cretin.

I think he's always been a cretin but his performances for England covered his other discretions up.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1089 on: December 19, 2013, 06:57:25 PM »
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.

I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.

They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.

As should the captain.  Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.

Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side.  I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.

Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time.  Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.

Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason.

Offline PaulWinch again

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1090 on: December 19, 2013, 07:01:49 PM »
Cook showed some pretty good ideas at Adelaide and Brisbane, I'm confident he's learning.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1091 on: December 19, 2013, 07:02:43 PM »
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.

I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.

They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.

As should the captain.  Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.

Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side.  I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.

Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time.  Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.

Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason.

Could be the case, but I would rest him along with Prior and Anderson once the test series is over.  I'd go with an ODI team (in both T20 and 50 overs) of:

Bell, Carberry, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Treadwell, Rankin / Finn

Give someone else the chance to captain the side.


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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1092 on: December 19, 2013, 07:09:29 PM »
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.

I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.

They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.

As should the captain.  Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.

Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side.  I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.

Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time.  Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.

Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason.

Could be the case, but I would rest him along with Prior and Anderson once the test series is over.  I'd go with an ODI team (in both T20 and 50 overs) of:

Bell, Carberry, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Treadwell, Rankin / Finn

Give someone else the chance to captain the side.



Don't Broad and Morgan captain/vice captain the limited overs sides anyway?

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1093 on: December 19, 2013, 07:18:58 PM »
I'm not sure Saker should go, we have on the whole bowled very well up to this series. However our batting has gone downhill since Gooch became full time batting coach.

I agree with you about Gooch but think that Saker should go.

They have bowled well at times and had the Aussies 130-odd for 6 in Adelaide. What we have not been able to do for some time is finish sides off. The coach must take responsibility for that.

As should the captain.  Cook seems to run out of ideas very quickly when we are under the slightest bit of pressure.

Cooks captaincy will improve with experience though - I actually think although it's hard to bear now this might be the defeat England had to have in order to move on a few players and re-invigorate the side.  I see Cook as the ideal man to lead them and work towards regaining the Ashes in 2015.

Not a lot any Captain can do when you start the 2nd innings 200 runs in arrears every time.  Same for the bowlers, especially in Australia where batsmen can trust the bounce and pace and simply carve it by hitting through the line. That's why I felt sorry for the bowlers after the batting and fielding had let them down so badly.

Someone like David Warner for example will average a lot higher in Australia than overseas for this reason.

Could be the case, but I would rest him along with Prior and Anderson once the test series is over.  I'd go with an ODI team (in both T20 and 50 overs) of:

Bell, Carberry, Pietersen, Root, Morgan, Bopara, Buttler, Stokes, Broad, Treadwell, Rankin / Finn

Give someone else the chance to captain the side.



Don't Broad and Morgan captain/vice captain the limited overs sides anyway?

Yes

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Re: Ashes 2013/14
« Reply #1094 on: December 19, 2013, 08:47:39 PM »
Only the twenty20 side, Cook is ODI captain.

 


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