Brigada Corner

[PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt]

Just read on their forum that someone who sits in this block tried to buy tickets for Hull away and they've been blocked on the system to buy tickets. Whether this is temporary or permanent measure they didn't know as someone from the club is due to call them tomorrow. Rules are rules, but how sad that all they're trying to do is support the team and aren't being allowed to. I'm not sure a solution can be found on this one.

[basavfc]

I don't think the issue is simply a matter of just standing up, though. I stand up when something of interest occurs, but will sit down afterwards. It seems to me that part of the issue is the persistent, continual standing and refusal to sit down at any time which is currently against the law.

Ever since the introduction of all-seater grounds, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them
Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/the-legalities-of-standing/

[TheSandman]

They weren't arrested. They were ejected from the ground. It's not a legal matter.

[silhillvilla]

Would be useful if Brigada released a statement.

[dave.woodhall]

Would be useful if Brigada released a statement.

They have.

[basavfc]

Would be useful if Brigada released a statement.

They have.

http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/thread/1149/sit-group-statement-on-rotherham

[Holy Trinity]

Sorry they got ejected but rules are rules and breaking them cost these people the chance to watch the match and possibly many more. It is possible to sit and sing. I agree about away fans standing to and feel they should be removed but that would start a retaliation in the away leg. Also there statment mentions the one stan petrov banner was that not allowed as it didnt meet the very strict fire regulations? Brought in after the fire at bradford. Lets just take this as a lesson learned and move on

[LeeB]

Whatever the right and wrongs, it's an absolute pile of shite that a group of decent young lads (and they are, I know a few), who pay good money week in, week out, get treated like this.

Not directly blaming the club here, more the draconian rules which seem to govern football and no other events.

[spangley1812]

Mate I am sure they are good lads but at the end of the day if you stand when you are not supposed to and you have been warned about it and then continue to stand then its your own fault I am afraid but as you say its not the clubs fault they are only doing what the council tell them to do

[LeeB]

Exactly, and why don't they tell the council to fuck off and cite the various other events that go on under their watch where the same stringent conditions are applied.

[spangley1812]

Because the council can close part of the ground very easily, your mates just need to use a bit of common sense and sit down every so often

[Holy Trinity]

Exactly, and why don't they tell the council to fuck off and cite the various other events that go on under their watch where the same stringent conditions are applied.

Im guessing that they remember the 70's and 80's where football as a whole was a very violent and dangerous place. They are probably shit scared that even this small group may start causing trouble. Quite possibly wrongly as I know a lad who sits in l8 and hes more likly to go home and watch harry potter than go out fighting after a game but unfortunatly the rules are there and the club have to follow them.

[KevinGage]

I don't think the issue is simply a matter of just standing up, though. I stand up when something of interest occurs, but will sit down afterwards. It seems to me that part of the issue is the persistent, continual standing and refusal to sit down at any time which is currently against the law.

Ever since the introduction of all-seater grounds, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them
Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/the-legalities-of-standing/

I could be mistaken on this, but isn't there some acknowledgment from the authorities that supporters will stand during the game during moments of excitement?  If that is actually written in the legislation, then there is a grey area the size of Karren Brady's enormous face.

In that scenario, it is not then simply a case of stand/ don't stand. Black or white. You're then down to a matter of interpretation.

That being the case, this Brigada lot could simply say they find the entire 90 minutes at VP one long excitement riot. They would be loons, based on our dire home these past few years.   But loons who aren't breaking any actual rules.

[pauliewalnuts]

Exactly, and why don't they tell the council to fuck off and cite the various other events that go on under their watch where the same stringent conditions are applied.

Im guessing that they remember the 70's and 80's where football as a whole was a very violent and dangerous place. They are probably shit scared that even this small group may start causing trouble. Quite possibly wrongly as I know a lad who sits in l8 and hes more likly to go home and watch harry potter than go out fighting after a game but unfortunatly the rules are there and the club have to follow them.

They don't follow them, though. There are plenty of matches where there are large groups of people standing, totally unbothered by the stewards.

I appreciate that it's easier to approach a group of 50 than 5,000, that goes without saying, but really, I wonder if the club's attitude to these people is affected by the fact they're young, enthusiastic and have a slightly different approach to supporting the team.

Ultimately football clubs want us all spending big bucks to get in, then sitting quietly in our seats. It's not entirely their fault that it is like that, but with things the way they are, that's definitely what they want.

I am not a defender of standing usually - mainly because I feel sorry for the people who want to sit down but can't because everyone else is standing - but it's hard not to believe the powers that be, at every level, just want a load of docile, no-bother middle class people buying their expensive tickets, sitting down not saying boo to a goose, and then fucking off on 90 minutes.

[silhillvilla]

I suppose it would be good to know what dialogue (if any) took place between the club and Brigada before the events of last weds night ??
I'm hoping the ban is temporary and they can work out a compromise. These lads and lasses are top fans and too good to lose.