Brigada Corner

[bertlambshank]

Next time you plan to get to VP sit in L8,if there is any Brigada left take the time to say hello,you might be surprised by the experience I was.

Unfortunately it won't be this season, it's a bit expensive to get there from where I live.  As I've said though, I have nothing against them either as a group or as individuals, I just take great offense at the suggestion that the club is acting terribly, as premier league clubs go they're one of the best regarding the fans so to see a few people seem so eager to turn on them over this seems wrong.

Fair enough nobody has turned on the club but don't you agree that if standing is so big a problem even a quick statement from the club saying we don't want fans to stand would have been in order.They have done it enough times in the past.It just seems they are trying to.keep what happened on Wednesday to themselves for some reason.

[Doorbell]

The mistake in that sentence is the word 'randomly'

[bertlambshank]

Most people who stand at the ground sit down when they are told, from what I gather Brigada refuse. I imagine the club have even taken steps before doing something so drastic, such as getting in touch with the group. What if requests made through such channels by the club were declined? All this could be going on and in the background the council may have threatened to order that L8 be shut if they don't get Brigada to toe the line.

I agree but more fans stand in the North stand Lower and nothing is done.Maybe the club know the view is shit and let it go.

[paul_e]

Next time you plan to get to VP sit in L8,if there is any Brigada left take the time to say hello,you might be surprised by the experience I was.

Unfortunately it won't be this season, it's a bit expensive to get there from where I live.  As I've said though, I have nothing against them either as a group or as individuals, I just take great offense at the suggestion that the club is acting terribly, as premier league clubs go they're one of the best regarding the fans so to see a few people seem so eager to turn on them over this seems wrong.

Fair enough nobody has turned on the club but don't you agree that if standing is so big a problem even a quick statement from the club saying we don't want fans to stand would have been in order.They have done it enough times in the past.It just seems they are trying to.keep what happened on Wednesday to themselves for some reason.

No, I think football fans are too quick to demand statements as I said earlier all the statement would say (if they could make one which they can't given Dave W's comments) is that they have a rule and they enforced it on a section of persistent offenders.

Regardless of what else is involved, what Brigada need to learn from this is that they need to work with the club better.  They're in a unique position in the premier league of having a club that supports safe standing, with a bit more thought and common sense they could and should be linking closely to that and showing a willingness to work with the club to make it happen.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Next time you plan to get to VP sit in L8,if there is any Brigada left take the time to say hello,you might be surprised by the experience I was.

Unfortunately it won't be this season, it's a bit expensive to get there from where I live.  As I've said though, I have nothing against them either as a group or as individuals, I just take great offense at the suggestion that the club is acting terribly, as premier league clubs go they're one of the best regarding the fans so to see a few people seem so eager to turn on them over this seems wrong.

Agreed regarding the club and its attitude to the fans. It's probably the best in the PL, but I am a bit biassed.
I'm not having a go at the club here, but just think the situation could have been dealt with more thoughtfully.
If the "rules" or "safety" was such a concern and this particular group were a particular conern, did anyone attempt to talk with them? Easy to do through their website.
If it is just the standing thing genearlly that's an issue all of a sudden - some directive from on-high to clamp down on this? - then share it with all of the fans before taking stronger action than has been experienced by all until now.
Then we all know where we are and why such action is being taken on this occasion and in the future.
If the unwritten rules are changing could someone let us know?
As I've said before, I don't want to be ejected for doing something that seems to have been perfectly acceptable for years!

[paul_e]

Next time you plan to get to VP sit in L8,if there is any Brigada left take the time to say hello,you might be surprised by the experience I was.

Unfortunately it won't be this season, it's a bit expensive to get there from where I live.  As I've said though, I have nothing against them either as a group or as individuals, I just take great offense at the suggestion that the club is acting terribly, as premier league clubs go they're one of the best regarding the fans so to see a few people seem so eager to turn on them over this seems wrong.

Agreed regarding the club and its attitude to the fans. It's probably the best in the PL, but I am a bit biassed.
I'm not having a go at the club here, but just think the situation could have been dealt with more thoughtfully.
If the "rules" or "safety" was such a concern and this particular group were a particular conern, did anyone attempt to talk with them? Easy to do through their website.
If it is just the standing thing genearlly that's an issue all of a sudden - some directive from on-high to clamp down on this? - then share it with all of the fans before taking stronger action than has been experienced by all until now.
Then we all know where we are and why such action is being taken on this occasion and in the future.
If the unwritten rules are changing could someone let us know?
As I've said before, I don't want to be ejected for doing something that seems to have been perfectly acceptable for years!

As said there is a delicate balance, everyone in football knows that large sections of the crowd will stand up for long periods, the issue is with the implication of stating that you intend to stand up for the entire game.  I have no idea if the club has discussed this with them or not, but regardless of whether they have or not they shouldn't state on their website that they intend to stand all game, it's just silly.

The unwritten rules won't change, but Brigada have challenged that rule, whether they intended to or not.

[bertlambshank]

Next time you plan to get to VP sit in L8,if there is any Brigada left take the time to say hello,you might be surprised by the experience I was.

Unfortunately it won't be this season, it's a bit expensive to get there from where I live.  As I've said though, I have nothing against them either as a group or as individuals, I just take great offense at the suggestion that the club is acting terribly, as premier league clubs go they're one of the best regarding the fans so to see a few people seem so eager to turn on them over this seems wrong.

Fair enough nobody has turned on the club but don't you agree that if standing is so big a problem even a quick statement from the club saying we don't want fans to stand would have been in order.They have done it enough times in the past.It just seems they are trying to.keep what happened on Wednesday to themselves for some reason.

No, I think football fans are too quick to demand statements as I said earlier all the statement would say (if they could make one which they can't given Dave W's comments) is that they have a rule and they enforced it on a section of persistent offenders.

Regardless of what else is involved, what Brigada need to learn from this is that they need to work with the club better.  They're in a unique position in the premier league of having a club that supports safe standing, with a bit more thought and common sense they could and should be linking closely to that and showing a willingness to work with the club to make it happen.

There is fault on both sides here.You seem to have a blinkered view that the club can do no wrong.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I absolutely support the idea of Brigada, but I think trying to set it up without full discourse with the club was badly thought out and stating a principle online which is a breech of the rules at the ground is alarmingly naive.  I also think they have the worst website I've seen for years.

I appreciate you explaining it to me so eloquently, Doorbell.
Until now I thought I we all had an understanding of logic ( involving a large slice of personal opinion of what that logic is).
I now understand that only one other poster knows what logic is and the rest of us are clearly fu**ing clueless.
If only you'd told me this years ago. ;-)

right the logic of this:

A creates a rule under guidance from B and C
D forms and wants to ignore said rule and can either inform A, B and C of this or can keep it quiet
D chooses to inform A, b and C that they will ignore said rule
A has the choice to either punish D or accept consequences from B or C
A chooses to punish D

There's no personal opinion to that.

So if A ignores the rule it created in the first place but then randomly applies it, that's logic?

If you assume that A, B, C and E (that's every other fan) live in balance that whilst the rule isn't enforced by A if they were told they had to by B and C then E would abide by it.  By D stating that they're not going to abide by the rule they broke that balance.  By acting as they did  A satisfies B and C that it will enforce the rule and the balance is restored.

Thanks for clearing that one up paul_e!

(But...does this mean that if I stand at Norwich with 1500 other Villa fans I'm going to get chucked out?)

[silhillvilla]

Are any Brigada left ? Will this be like the last of The Mohawks ?

[paul_e]

I absolutely support the idea of Brigada, but I think trying to set it up without full discourse with the club was badly thought out and stating a principle online which is a breech of the rules at the ground is alarmingly naive.  I also think they have the worst website I've seen for years.

I appreciate you explaining it to me so eloquently, Doorbell.
Until now I thought I we all had an understanding of logic ( involving a large slice of personal opinion of what that logic is).
I now understand that only one other poster knows what logic is and the rest of us are clearly fu**ing clueless.
If only you'd told me this years ago. ;-)

right the logic of this:

A creates a rule under guidance from B and C
D forms and wants to ignore said rule and can either inform A, B and C of this or can keep it quiet
D chooses to inform A, b and C that they will ignore said rule
A has the choice to either punish D or accept consequences from B or C
A chooses to punish D

There's no personal opinion to that.

So if A ignores the rule it created in the first place but then randomly applies it, that's logic?

If you assume that A, B, C and E (that's every other fan) live in balance that whilst the rule isn't enforced by A if they were told they had to by B and C then E would abide by it.  By D stating that they're not going to abide by the rule they broke that balance.  By acting as they did  A satisfies B and C that it will enforce the rule and the balance is restored.

Thanks for clearing that one up paul_e!

(But...does this mean that if I stand at Norwich with 1500 other Villa fans I'm going to get chucked out?)

Nope, because everyone knows you'd sit down if you were asked, so they don't ask.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I absolutely support the idea of Brigada, but I think trying to set it up without full discourse with the club was badly thought out and stating a principle online which is a breech of the rules at the ground is alarmingly naive.  I also think they have the worst website I've seen for years.

I appreciate you explaining it to me so eloquently, Doorbell.
Until now I thought I we all had an understanding of logic ( involving a large slice of personal opinion of what that logic is).
I now understand that only one other poster knows what logic is and the rest of us are clearly fu**ing clueless.
If only you'd told me this years ago. ;-)

right the logic of this:

A creates a rule under guidance from B and C
D forms and wants to ignore said rule and can either inform A, B and C of this or can keep it quiet
D chooses to inform A, b and C that they will ignore said rule
A has the choice to either punish D or accept consequences from B or C
A chooses to punish D

There's no personal opinion to that.

So if A ignores the rule it created in the first place but then randomly applies it, that's logic?

If you assume that A, B, C and E (that's every other fan) live in balance that whilst the rule isn't enforced by A if they were told they had to by B and C then E would abide by it.  By D stating that they're not going to abide by the rule they broke that balance.  By acting as they did  A satisfies B and C that it will enforce the rule and the balance is restored.

Thanks for clearing that one up paul_e!

(But...does this mean that if I stand at Norwich with 1500 other Villa fans I'm going to get chucked out?)

Nope, because everyone knows you'd sit down if you were asked, so they don't ask.

That's using that there logic that is!
Cheers mate!

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Does anybody know the name of the extreme ultra group who stand up in front of me when they arrive 10 minutes into the game with their chips, stand up in front of me when they leave 10 minutes before half time to get a capuccino, obstruct my view when they head for their seats 10 minutes into the 2nd half and get in my fu**ing way when they leave 10 minutes before the end (irrespective of score!) so they can beat the traffic!
I've given them a short snappy nickname of my own 'til now, but surely they are part of a much bigger, global organisation bent on making the matchday experience extremely fu**ing annoying.
Supported by Sky perhaps?   

[Sunny Villa]

I spent 2 of the cup games in L8 last season,harmless fun is the best to describe it.Just some young lads getting behind our team.

And girls.
When Brigada were in the lower north there were always a couple of girls in amongst it singing their hearts out. Banning this lot is a real shame.

Some on here would them hanging by the neck.

Some implies it's more than the two who have implied anything negative and only one of those has sounded like he would want that, and in the process has posted something that looks like a veiled threat to someone's kid and repeatedly been pulled up for spouting incoherent nonsense.

i hope that comment is not aimed at me , far from it , i meant what i said good luck mons x1 lad nothing more or less .

my comment about the England shirt was directed towards one of the brigada lot targetted a kid because he had and England shirt on , and decided he was part of an EDL march .   very brave , considering the lads background , nothing more to be said from me   

[bertlambshank]

I spent 2 of the cup games in L8 last season,harmless fun is the best to describe it.Just some young lads getting behind our team.

And girls.
When Brigada were in the lower north there were always a couple of girls in amongst it singing their hearts out. Banning this lot is a real shame.

Some on here would them hanging by the neck.

Some implies it's more than the two who have implied anything negative and only one of those has sounded like he would want that, and in the process has posted something that looks like a veiled threat to someone's kid and repeatedly been pulled up for spouting incoherent nonsense.

i hope that comment is not aimed at me , far from it , i meant what i said good luck mons x1 lad nothing more or less .

my comment about the England shirt was directed towards one of the brigada lot targetted a kid because he had and England shirt on , and decided he was part of an EDL march .   very brave , considering the lads background , nothing more to be said from me   

You are troubled.

[Sunny Villa]

from you , i will probably accept that thankfully .