Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2013, 11:30:24 PMQuote from: Sunny Villa on August 29, 2013, 11:17:51 PMWhy can you not accept politics and football should be kept separate , hooliganism was tribalism . is politics not the same under a different banner . Because anti-racism and anti-fascism are not about poltics. They're about right and wrong.As for the rest of your post, you've not bothered addressing any of the questions i put to you, beyond going on about Celtic and politics, which is largely irrelevant here.And maybe the people who were talking about a Petrov benefit match weren't thinking about politics at all, they were thinking about charity?I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in sectarian politics, zero. I don't care. I don't even like to see them discussed here, because it always ends up in a gigantic row which is exactly the same as the last row we had about them.I am, however, able to see the difference between right and wrong when it comes to fascism and racism, and the "i just want to keep ALL politics out of football" is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to that.These Brigada kids are about standing up, singing a lot and waving banners. It's not the sort of thing I'd be into at my age, but then again, how many 40 something men would be. You seem to have an agenda against them based on them feeling some sort of kinship with Celtic, which you've then spun out to mean that, actually, they're a bunch of British troop hating fenians (and yes, I've seen the banners at some Celtic matches, and I find them abhorrent, too).Once again, it seems your main objection is to people whose politics might not tally with your own rather than some altruistic desire to keep politics out of football.Thanks for your reply , I will try and respond as eloquently Fascism and anti fascism is about beliefs , the right and wrong of those beliefs are in the eye of the beholder.as I said I dislike both . as should everyone for the moment they enter AV .Catholic and Protestants. Muslims and Jews what has that got to do with Football . As for kids , are you sure ? without being rude do you sit by them , have you looked at the Videos , they are not young kids , but the ones getting banned from the ground for three years are. plenty of 40 year olds in their ranks .
Quote from: Sunny Villa on August 29, 2013, 11:17:51 PMWhy can you not accept politics and football should be kept separate , hooliganism was tribalism . is politics not the same under a different banner . Because anti-racism and anti-fascism are not about poltics. They're about right and wrong.As for the rest of your post, you've not bothered addressing any of the questions i put to you, beyond going on about Celtic and politics, which is largely irrelevant here.And maybe the people who were talking about a Petrov benefit match weren't thinking about politics at all, they were thinking about charity?I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in sectarian politics, zero. I don't care. I don't even like to see them discussed here, because it always ends up in a gigantic row which is exactly the same as the last row we had about them.I am, however, able to see the difference between right and wrong when it comes to fascism and racism, and the "i just want to keep ALL politics out of football" is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to that.These Brigada kids are about standing up, singing a lot and waving banners. It's not the sort of thing I'd be into at my age, but then again, how many 40 something men would be. You seem to have an agenda against them based on them feeling some sort of kinship with Celtic, which you've then spun out to mean that, actually, they're a bunch of British troop hating fenians (and yes, I've seen the banners at some Celtic matches, and I find them abhorrent, too).Once again, it seems your main objection is to people whose politics might not tally with your own rather than some altruistic desire to keep politics out of football.
Why can you not accept politics and football should be kept separate , hooliganism was tribalism . is politics not the same under a different banner .
Following a meeting of like minded Villa supporters on the 14th August an Aston Villa ultras group was formed, the name of this group is Brigada 1874. The group is composed of those who bleed claret and blue and want to bring colour, vibrancy, noise and passion to the terraces.In the modern game where many a good supporter has been pushed away from the ground by high ticket prices and draconian policing while those who remain are often subject to over zealous stewarding we want to take something back for those who make the game what it is. We aim to follow in the tradition of ultra groups in Europe and learn from the example made by the handful of ultra groups who've been active in the UK over the past few years. The group is currently in it's embryonic stages and the next few months will be spent setting the foundations of the group, designing displays and making banners and flags. Owing to the fact that those involved are based in various areas of Villa Park our first appearances this season are likely to be at away games.The group is based upon five basic principles, these are;-We support the players for the entirety of the game no matter how well or poorly we are playing.-We stand throughout the game-We make as much noise and create as big a scene as possible on the terraces.-We are anti-fascist, anti-racist and non-sectarian. Those who promote division based upon ethnicity, religion or nationality will not be tolerated in the group.-We act in unsion as a group, while we may have differences of opinion on some issues regarding the club we will always act in unity and back one another up at the game. Those who are interested in getting involved with the group can contact us here via pm or email us at brigada1874 @ gmail . com. Prospective members should agree with the founding principles and bring that spirit into the group. All potential members will be vetted.Read more: http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/thread/618/who#ixzz2dRfQQ43h
Fascism and anti fascism is about beliefs , the right and wrong of those beliefs are in the eye of the beholder.as I said I dislike both . as should everyone for the moment they enter AV .
Link to their site
Congratulations though, to sunny villa and his acolytes: you have posted without doubt the biggest crock of absolute shit I have ever read on H&V, and I've read some of the conspiracy thread.
Quote from: Legion on August 30, 2013, 11:00:20 AMLink to their sitewow, now if any website needed some guidance on the use of colours its that one!
I'm still waiting to know what their politics are.
Quote from: nigel on August 29, 2013, 08:57:10 AMWas sat right by them this evening.They were no problem at all.I can only think that there's previous historyMaybe i should not say this, but, i am going to. Previous history there is, and lots of it from what i have learned from reliable people inside the VP security. Threatening letters sent to Stewards and their families from certain people connected with Brigada may not help the situation. Also letters sent to the Club by the same people defying all HSE rules to the point where " We will stand when we want to stand and we will unfurl banners when we want to" type stuff. Doesn't really help them does it. Before anybody umps and says " Prove it, " Contact the Club Security and they will be more than willing to discuss the situation, from what i understand. We all want a good atmosphere at VP, banners , flags, singing, standing, but please do it in the right way. Sending threatening letters is just bloody stupid. Just do what you do, but obey the rules of the club. Not that hard , is it ?
Was sat right by them this evening.They were no problem at all.I can only think that there's previous history
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