Dodgy Decisions In Our Favour

[Titus Aduxus]

I agree it was a stonewall pen. 

[nick harper]

Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO

He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.

Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.

Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.

Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.

I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.

[glasses]

Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO

He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.

Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.

Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.

Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.

I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.

Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?

I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.

[Edvard Remberg]

I remember one where Gareth Barry ran into the penalty area from left side, and clipped his own calf and fell, and we got a penalty. (Maybe Everton around 06/07?) Never any contact from the player behind him.

[supertom]

Alan Hutton on several occasions in TSM's season. He got away with a number of blatant handballs in the box. He was also lucky not to end the season with 3-4 red cards as opposed to just the 1. Despite how reckless Hutton was and how many horrific tackles he dished out, I actually felt over the course of the season he was bloody lucky not to give away more pens, free's and get more cards. He had a bad tackle in him almost every game.

[Titus Aduxus]

On the Gabby penalty the Birmingham player fouled him and then apparently touched the ball. It was only by committing the foul that he got anywhere near the ball.  One of the clearest penalties I have seen.

[Concrete John]

Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO

He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.

Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.

Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.

Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.

I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.

Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?

I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.

It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart.  The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.   

[Deano's Mullet]

Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons

Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!

Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.

[rob_bridge]

Like the Henry one but we got away with it. LeTissier knocked a quick free kick past the unassembled wall and Bozzie in 97 or 98 at VP and Bodenham I think disallowed it. #I suppose he scored enough against us but there was nothing wrong with taking it quickly.

Johnson one to me was never a penalty as he got the ball, then again he could have won it in a cleaner manner and from ref's angle it looked like a penalty especially with the follow through which did take Gabby out.

Baros handball was disgraceful - blatant cheating.

Hutton should have been sent of lots more than actually was.

Bozzie's one is close - definite booking which didn't occur but Aldridge (the old fox) was dragging it well to the left of goal and McGrath and Barrett (maybe) were back very quickly.

[glasses]

Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO

He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.

Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.

Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.

Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.

I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.

Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?

I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.

It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart.  The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.

was Gerrards mis-timed then? he touched the ball. however the ref arrived at the decision to award a penalty, the correct decision was made. I actually don't think the nastiness was that different. I vividly remember their lot kicking lumps out of us all game. Johnson knew what he was doing.

[rob_bridge]

Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons

Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!

Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.

Yes Ugo - forgot that one. Was John Burridge in goal for them?

[Deano's Mullet]

Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons

Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!

Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.

Yes Ugo - forgot that one. Was John Burridge in goal for them?

I think so. It was our first goal in about 8 games. The only one previous was an own goal late winner at Ipswich.
 I remember Neil Cox for Middlesbrough giving us a fairly soft penalty which Yorke converted. 96-97 ish.

[Deano's Mullet]

If you believed Jimmy Greaves, this Deano goal was offside. Also check out the Tait challenge. Both from the second leg.

[Titus Aduxus]

Hutton got the ball when he demolished a West Brom player at Villa Park a couple of years back.  The ref actually gave a throw in but it should have been a red card.

As with the Gabby penalty by the time any touch was made on it the ball had become unimportant to the decision.

[nick harper]

Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO

He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.

Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.

Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.

Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.

I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.

Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?

I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.

It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart.  The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.

was Gerrards mis-timed then? he touched the ball. however the ref arrived at the decision to award a penalty, the correct decision was made. I actually don't think the nastiness was that different. I vividly remember their lot kicking lumps out of us all game. Johnson knew what he was doing.

Gerrard had both feet off the ground. It's nothing like the same kind of tackle. He got a foot on the ball as an accidental by product of a reckless two foot challenge.