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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: gervilla on August 08, 2013, 09:10:35 PM
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Just to balance things up a little what are the most memorable dodgy decisions by match officials that went in our favour ?
I can't think of too many but that's probably because they aren't injustices that I will remember till my dying days like those mentioned in the opposite thread.
Dion Dublins header V Leicester (H) that may or may not have crossed the line ?
Milan Baros's blatant handball v Everton.
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Not really what you are asking about, but one the Noses mention is Saunders being off side at Villa Park in the League Cup, when the full back on the opposite bank was playing him on.
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I seem to remember us getting a penalty at Southampton (which Angel converted), where no one in the ground had any idea why it was given, other than the ref.
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Not really what you are asking about, but one the Noses mention is Saunders being off side at Villa Park in the League Cup, when the full back on the opposite bank was playing him on.
Or you mean the one when he was in his own half.
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I seem to remember us getting a penalty at Southampton (which Angel converted), where no one in the ground had any idea why it was given, other than the ref.
I was there with plenty in fancy dress. No one had a clue why is was given. So, we just let Kevin Phiilips score to even matters up. Our defence is very fair in that direction.
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Not long after MON arrived we played Fulham at home in a Saturday evening 5.30 game. Stan was awarded a penalty for a most innocuous challenge by a Fulham defender - may even have been Zat Knight.
Bozzie not being sent off v Tranmere in 1994
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Not long after MON arrived we played Fulham at home in a Saturday evening 5.30 game. Stan was awarded a penalty for a most innocuous challenge by a Fulham defender - may even have been Zat Knight.
Bozzie not being sent off v Tranmere in 1994
I think it was Liam Rosenior.
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Bennett not being sent off at Norwich last season. Big 3 points that day.
Penalty v Blues at the Holte End that Milner converted for a 1-0 win. Johnson knicked the ball in a tackle on Gabby.
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Did Ashley Young handle the ball over the bar at Hull in the last minute of a 0-1 win? Dunno, but Craig Gardner seemed delighted the decision went our way and promptly skipped like a girl.
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Not really what you are asking about, but one the Noses mention is Saunders being off side at Villa Park in the League Cup, when the full back on the opposite bank was playing him on.
Or you mean the one when he was in his own half.
The Jimmy Greaves 'know your rules of football' handbook comes to mind
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Bozzie clattering Klinsmann, deffo sending off.
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Did Ashley Young handle the ball over the bar at Hull in the last minute of a 0-1 win? Dunno, but Craig Gardner seemed delighted the decision went our way and promptly skipped like a girl.
No! That was almost one for the another thread. Ash jumped with his hand in the air (god knows why) and the ball clipped the top of the bar but the ref then awarded a penalty. After much delay and a chat with the linesmen the decision was reversed. I was at that game, I think it was around Christmas and we went 3rd. I genuinely left the ground thinking we would be a shoe in for the top 4 that year.
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I remember thinking ''How are getting away with these jammy away wins?"
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Bozzie almost decapitating Klinsmann, deffo sending off.
Fixed.
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Bozzie not getting his head kicked in on the Seven Sisters' Road after his salute at White Hart Lane.
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A pretty minor one, but getting a penalty a couple of years ago because a QPR defender breathed somewhere near Gabby in the six yard box.
It's almost meant that Dunne's last-minute own goal equaliser wasn't so much of a problem as we shouldn't have been in the lead anyway.
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League cup SF 2004 v Bolton.
JPA's goal that made it 3-2 was scored from an offside position, which was then subsequently shown on the big screen for all to see. Cue much booing from the crowd and gesticulating from Allardyce. We then cocked it up of course.
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Bozzie not being sent off v Tranmere in 1994
I was thinking about this one when people were talking about the Vidic sending off in the other thread. I went to uni with a Tranmere fan who hadn't really got over it. After we drew them in the LC last season he posted on Facebook "chance for revenge"
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I remember thinking ''How are getting away with these jammy away wins?"
Very true. Pretty it was an OG that won it too!
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Not really what you are asking about, but one the Noses mention is Saunders being off side at Villa Park in the League Cup, when the full back on the opposite bank was playing him on.
Or you mean the one when he was in his own half.
My memory is of their then manager, Terry Cooper, being shown the replay with Saunders clearly in his own half, and Cooper still insisting it was offside. The laws of the game never came easy to that Leeds team.
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None, ever. Every refereeing decision in our favour over the last 139 years has been entirely justified. Because we are Aston Villa. Lock this thread immediately!!
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Milan Baros with a blatant handball for his first against Everton . Can't be arsed to check which season. We won 4-1 and he went on to score a hat trick
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A pretty minor one, but getting a penalty a couple of years ago because a QPR defender breathed somewhere near Gabby in the six yard box.
It's almost meant that Dunne's last-minute own goal equaliser wasn't so much of a problem as we shouldn't have been in the lead anyway.
A shirt tug, is a shirt tug.
I have never understood the argument "you'd be giving ten a game for decisions like that". Maybe defenders should stop pulling shirts.
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There was a goal at Highfield Road in the 1998/99 season where we were on a very good run. I cannot recall if it was the first goal or the second goal, but Ian Taylor was, without hyperbole, about five yards off side.
Teehee!
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
and stephen carr going mental. that was sweet!
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
and stephen carr going mental. that was sweet!
Very sweet indeed!
UTV!
BCFC can f**k right off! ;-)
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
They played okay but I don't remember them being better than us. Plus the defender took Gabby's legs away even though he got the slightest touch of the ball. Any other part of the pitch it would have been an immediate free kick without anyone even batting an eyelid.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
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Bozzie clattering Klinsmann, deffo sending off.
No. It was Jurgen Klinsmann and therefore, similarly to Dion dropping the nut on that other utter arse wipe, he actually deserved a medal for services to football.
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
and stephen carr going mental. that was sweet!
He gave us the wankers.
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decisions in our favour are never dodgy!
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
It wasn't a penalty. If it had been the other way round it would be dominating the other thread. all of which make it absolutely hilarious given who it was against.
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Steve Staunton being sent off when playing against us for Liverpool, he got a second yellow card for encroaching at a free kick even though the ball had been played before he moved.
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Looking back, not sending Hutton off for nearly breaking Guediara (something like that) in half at Molineux was probably fortuitous and helped us to win.
It was either the game where Robbie Keane scored twice and we won 3-2, or when Heskey got a late winner to make it 2-1.
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Oops. Stupid phone.
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Steve Staunton being sent off when playing against us for Liverpool, he got a second yellow card for encroaching at a free kick even though the ball had been played before he moved.
That was very amusing at the time
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
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Looking back, not sending Hutton off for nearly breaking Guediara (something like that) in half at Molineux was probably fortuitous and helped us to win.
It was either the game where Robbie Keane scored twice and we won 3-2, or when Heskey got a late winner to make it 2-1.
That was Warnock on Guedioura. Hutton did Shane Long at Villa park in the same game that Herd and Olssen had the to do in our box.
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Looking back, not sending Hutton off for nearly breaking Guediara (something like that) in half at Molineux was probably fortuitous and helped us to win.
It was either the game where Robbie Keane scored twice and we won 3-2, or when Heskey got a late winner to make it 2-1.
That was Warnock on Guedioura. Hutton did Shane Long at Villa park in the same game that Herd and Olssen had the to do in our box.
Ah yes, my mistake. The wins I've seen at Molineux blur into one....
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I am with Saunders Heroes, it was a definite penalty.
The funniest thing about that game, was the triumphalism from Colin Tattum that they had some how scored a victory by only being beat 1-0.
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When we had a penalty overturned by surrounding the referee and linesman at Hull.
We were leading one nil and they had a penalty in the last minute for a hand ball (which incidentally, it wasn't). The linesman gave it, but the referee was instantly surrounded by Young and Barry et al and he overturned the decision.
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The funniest thing about that game, was the triumphalism from Colin Tattum that they had some how scored a victory by only being beat 1-0.
Was the word "passion" used a lot?
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
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I agree it was a stonewall pen.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.
I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.
I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.
Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?
I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.
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I remember one where Gareth Barry ran into the penalty area from left side, and clipped his own calf and fell, and we got a penalty. (Maybe Everton around 06/07?) Never any contact from the player behind him.
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Alan Hutton on several occasions in TSM's season. He got away with a number of blatant handballs in the box. He was also lucky not to end the season with 3-4 red cards as opposed to just the 1. Despite how reckless Hutton was and how many horrific tackles he dished out, I actually felt over the course of the season he was bloody lucky not to give away more pens, free's and get more cards. He had a bad tackle in him almost every game.
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On the Gabby penalty the Birmingham player fouled him and then apparently touched the ball. It was only by committing the foul that he got anywhere near the ball. One of the clearest penalties I have seen.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.
I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.
Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?
I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.
It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart. The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.
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Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons
Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!
Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.
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Like the Henry one but we got away with it. LeTissier knocked a quick free kick past the unassembled wall and Bozzie in 97 or 98 at VP and Bodenham I think disallowed it. #I suppose he scored enough against us but there was nothing wrong with taking it quickly.
Johnson one to me was never a penalty as he got the ball, then again he could have won it in a cleaner manner and from ref's angle it looked like a penalty especially with the follow through which did take Gabby out.
Baros handball was disgraceful - blatant cheating.
Hutton should have been sent of lots more than actually was.
Bozzie's one is close - definite booking which didn't occur but Aldridge (the old fox) was dragging it well to the left of goal and McGrath and Barrett (maybe) were back very quickly.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.
I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.
Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?
I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.
It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart. The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.
was Gerrards mis-timed then? he touched the ball. however the ref arrived at the decision to award a penalty, the correct decision was made. I actually don't think the nastiness was that different. I vividly remember their lot kicking lumps out of us all game. Johnson knew what he was doing.
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Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons
Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!
Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.
Yes Ugo - forgot that one. Was John Burridge in goal for them?
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Hull away 2008/09 season for aforementioned reasons
Dodgy Rico challenge on Paul Tait in 1993 which the blues twat overreacted to and got sent off. Arguably Rico could have gone too but didn't even get a booking. Class!
Ehiogu handling the ball in for a goal against Man City 1995, clearly handball but the goal was given and v important in our relegation battle.
Yes Ugo - forgot that one. Was John Burridge in goal for them?
I think so. It was our first goal in about 8 games. The only one previous was an own goal late winner at Ipswich.
I remember Neil Cox for Middlesbrough giving us a fairly soft penalty which Yorke converted. 96-97 ish.
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If you believed Jimmy Greaves, this Deano goal was offside. Also check out the Tait challenge. Both from the second leg.
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Hutton got the ball when he demolished a West Brom player at Villa Park a couple of years back. The ref actually gave a throw in but it should have been a red card.
As with the Gabby penalty by the time any touch was made on it the ball had become unimportant to the decision.
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Johnson came from behind and then got the ball. Gabby went down like he'd been shot but whether or not it was a penalty is still a talking point. I probably would have given it had I been in charge. He should never have dived in IMO
He didn't dive. He had his legs swept away by their defender.
Quite right. This shouldn't be in this thread IMO. It was the right decision. He had been kicking lumps out of Gabby all afternoon, lunged in in the box like the clogger he is, skimmed the ball and took out Gabby. Had he not taken out Gabby, the touch wouldn't have been enough to put the ball out of play, and Gabby would have been one on one with the keeper.
Absolutely bang on, deffo penalty. Getting a touch on the ball does not mean you can take the players legs. Gabby would still have been on for goal as the touch on the ball wasn't enough. If Johnson had hoofed it out convincingly maybe different but slightest of touches and stopping a one on one goal scoring opportunity is a penalty all day long.
Not for me. He tackled from the side and got a touch on the ball. He's inevitably going to make contact with Agbonlahor. There is nothing in the rules to say how much of a touch there needs to be. The defender was unlucky but it was a tough call for the referee looking at it from behind.
I would have felt very hard done by if it had been in our penalty area.
Playing devils advocate here. Gerrard got sent off for a tackle on Boateng in about 2002 after making contact with the ball first. He nearly broke Boatengs leg, but he touched the ball first. Do you think he was unlucky to be sent off?
I don't. In both cases the challenge was reckless, mis-timed and were out of control 'lunges', and with the intent to 'go in hard'. Thuggish behaviour, and in my opinion were both correctly judged.
It can't really be miss timed when he did get a bit of the ball and in terms of the nastiness of the challenge the two are worlds apart. The ref didn't give the penalty because he thought the tackle was too violent, but because he didn't think the player got the ball, which he did.
was Gerrards mis-timed then? he touched the ball. however the ref arrived at the decision to award a penalty, the correct decision was made. I actually don't think the nastiness was that different. I vividly remember their lot kicking lumps out of us all game. Johnson knew what he was doing.
Gerrard had both feet off the ground. It's nothing like the same kind of tackle. He got a foot on the ball as an accidental by product of a reckless two foot challenge.
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Hutton got the ball when he demolished a West Brom player at Villa Park a couple of years back. The ref actually gave a throw in but it should have been a red card.....
Shane Long IIRC. Won't see a clearer red-card tackle not given by the ref. Could have been career-ending for Long
What makes it even more curious is the ref was one P Dowd. Mind you he made up for it by wrongly sending Herd off in the same game.
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There was a Stoke game at VP a couple of years back which we won 1-0 and they had a goal disallowed for absolutely nothing. I think it might have been the TSM season so any win was important that season.
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There was a Stoke game at VP a couple of years back which we won 1-0 and they had a goal disallowed for absolutely nothing. I think it might have been the TSM season so any win was important that season.
Didn't Sunderland in the same season have a goal ruled out against us ( Bendtner?) For an offside that wasn't.We drew 0-0 in the end
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I remember Lee Bowyer & Keiron Dyer deciding to try & have a fight on the pitch with each other which resulted in them both getting sent off.
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I remember Lee Bowyer & Keiron Dyer deciding to try & have a fight on the pitch with each other which resulted in them both getting sent off.
That's not really a bad decision though. The referee applied the law completely correctly.
It certainly worked in our favour though.
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The best sending off that day was Stephen Taylor, when he handled it in the box, stopping a certain goal. To cover up this error he decided to pretend he'd been shot.
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Dodgy decisions is our favour? I have thought long and hard about it and I honestly can not remember any. Every debatable decision has been earned and well deserved however dodgy it may appear at the time.
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There was a Stoke game at VP a couple of years back which we won 1-0 and they had a goal disallowed for absolutely nothing. I think it might have been the TSM season so any win was important that season.
That was under O'Neill - the game under TSM was the one where Weimann scored that cracker from outside the area. It was either 0-0 or 1-1 under Houllier.
Talking Newcastle, and I can't remember if this was dodgy or not, but when Shearer was sent off wasn't that the famous Ian Taylor head-rub because he couldn't believe it happened?
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Am I the only one remembering the Barry incident? That is one of few (if the only one) where I felt we were lucky. Normally 98 out 100 times, it is against us
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Am I the only one remembering the Barry incident? That is one of few (if the only one) where I felt we were lucky. Normally 98 out 100 times, it is against us
Edward, I think it was the 2-1 defeat at Portsmouth in 2003 on the opening day of the season.
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
They played okay but I don't remember them being better than us. Plus the defender took Gabby's legs away even though he got the slightest touch of the ball. Any other part of the pitch it would have been an immediate free kick without anyone even batting an eyelid.
Nah they played really well and had 2-3 off the line and hit the post in the second half while we created little.
MON had incredible fortune in the derby games aside from the 5-1.
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Big one for me was that Hutton handball on the line at WBA in 11/12. Finished 0-0 and I reckon that point kept us up physiologically, a certain defeat if it was given.
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
They played okay but I don't remember them being better than us. Plus the defender took Gabby's legs away even though he got the slightest touch of the ball. Any other part of the pitch it would have been an immediate free kick without anyone even batting an eyelid.
Nah they played really well and had 2-3 off the line and hit the post in the second half while we created little.
MON had incredible fortune in the derby games aside from the 5-1.
Stewart Downing should have put the game to bed well before anyway. Clean through and smashed his shot straight at Joe Hart, who was their best player on the day by a country mile.
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
They played okay but I don't remember them being better than us. Plus the defender took Gabby's legs away even though he got the slightest touch of the ball. Any other part of the pitch it would have been an immediate free kick without anyone even batting an eyelid.
Nah they played really well and had 2-3 off the line and hit the post in the second half while we created little.
MON had incredible fortune in the derby games aside from the 5-1.
Stewart Downing should have put the game to bed well before anyway. Clean through and smashed his shot straight at Joe Hart, who was their best player on the day by a country mile.
I think first half we bossed most it without creating all that much and inevitably looked like running out of steam around about 'Heskey' time. Then they did have a really good spell and should have scored from a couple of clear cut chances.
Also MON had some fortune in the 5-1 as 2 or 3 of the goals were offside / borderline. That said we still murdered the Neanderthals.
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Shearer getting sent off and Tayls rubbing his own head in disbelief when he saw the red. Might have been first match of the season?
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There was a Stoke game at VP a couple of years back which we won 1-0 and they had a goal disallowed for absolutely nothing. I think it might have been the TSM season so any win was important that season.
Nope, we drew 1-1 in the Stoke home game under McLeish last year.
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When you look back at TSM's season Hutton got away with absolute murder at times. I'm normally hugely biased towards Villa obviously, but when he annihilated Shane Long I assumed he'd be sent off and it would have been the right decision.
There were numerous handballs and other dangerous fouls throughout the season that weren't given against him. It was like he was somehow doing the Jedi mind trick on referees, I honestly don't know how he didn't get sent off or at least give a penalty away in most of our games.
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Wasn't it a really soft penalty when we beat the noses 1-0 at Villa Park the season before they were relegated last ?They were playing better than us and Johnson actually got the ball when tackling Gabby IIRC.Milner scored the penalty.I remember feeling that we were really lucky to have won that game
They played okay but I don't remember them being better than us. Plus the defender took Gabby's legs away even though he got the slightest touch of the ball. Any other part of the pitch it would have been an immediate free kick without anyone even batting an eyelid.
Nah they played really well and had 2-3 off the line and hit the post in the second half while we created little.
MON had incredible fortune in the derby games aside from the 5-1.
Stewart Downing should have put the game to bed well before anyway. Clean through and smashed his shot straight at Joe Hart, who was their best player on the day by a country mile.
I think first half we bossed most it without creating all that much and inevitably looked like running out of steam around about 'Heskey' time. Then they did have a really good spell and should have scored from a couple of clear cut chances.
Also MON had some fortune in the 5-1 as 2 or 3 of the goals were offside / borderline. That said we still murdered the Neanderthals.
I thought it was a fairly even game (the Johnson/Gabby penalty one) and a draw would have been the fair result. But we murdered them in the 5-1 game and if anything that scoreline flattered them a bit!
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I remember Lee Bowyer & Keiron Dyer deciding to try & have a fight on the pitch with each other which resulted in them both getting sent off.
That's not really a bad decision though. The referee applied the law completely correctly.
It certainly worked in our favour though.
I don't think it did as I don't remember us scoring anymore goals when they went down to 9?
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Southampton away on the Monday night football, they had a goal disallowed when the ball was clearly over the line, we won 1-0
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Southampton away on the Monday night football, they had a goal disallowed when the ball was clearly over the line, we won 1-0
Yes - very good call. Forgot that one. Header I think. Bozzie clawed it out
The truely enjoyable season of 95-96.
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I remember Lee Bowyer & Keiron Dyer deciding to try & have a fight on the pitch with each other which resulted in them both getting sent off.
That's not really a bad decision though. The referee applied the law completely correctly.
It certainly worked in our favour though.
I don't think it did as I don't remember us scoring anymore goals when they went down to 9?
They were down to eight by that point at Taylor had already been sent off.
We didn't score any more goals, but I still think it's safe to say that having two opposition players sent off for fighting each other is going to be advantageous to us.
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Yes, the southampton away game. We outplayed them so clearly that at half time when discussing the disallowed goal, even our good friend Richard Keys conceeded that Southampton didnt deserve to be level.
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They were down to eight by that point at Taylor had already been sent off.
We didn't score any more goals, but I still think it's safe to say that having two opposition players sent off for fighting each other is going to be advantageous to us.
Yes and we also avoided a 4-4 scoreline!
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There was a Stoke game at VP a couple of years back which we won 1-0 and they had a goal disallowed for absolutely nothing. I think it might have been the TSM season so any win was important that season.
Nope, we drew 1-1 in the Stoke home game under McLeish last year.
That's right. McLeish celebrated at the end.
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I remember Peter Withe getting away with an elbow to the Barcelona defender's face a second before Gary Shaw scored in the super cup second leg. They had been giving out plenty themselves mind.
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I remember Peter Withe getting away with an elbow to the Barcelona defender's face a second before Gary Shaw scored in the super cup second leg. They had been giving out plenty themselves mind.
They sure were.
They were a right shower of dirty bastards. I'm sure Sid will have fond memories of getting kicked in to the goals after the penalty.
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The Barry sending-off was against Pompey in O'Blarney's first game in charge. Apparently, he swore at a linesman.
Meanwhile, Paul Scholes told match officials to f***off after every decision he didn't like all through in his career and was never sent off once.
Hmmm. Wonder why ManUre win so many things?
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I remember Peter Withe getting away with an elbow to the Barcelona defender's face a second before Gary Shaw scored in the super cup second leg. They had been giving out plenty themselves mind.
They sure were.
They were a right shower of dirty bastards. I'm sure Sid will have fond memories of getting kicked in to the goals after the penalty.
A good job we had smilie thugs like Withie and McNaught and quieter hardmen like Bremner and Alan Evans to deal with that bunch of animals.
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The Barry sending-off was against Pompey in O'Blarney's first game in charge. Apparently, he swore at a linesman.
Meanwhile, Paul Scholes told match officials to f***off after every decision he didn't like all through in his career and was never sent off once.
Hmmm. Wonder why ManUre win so many things?
But we don't know what Barry said and whether it was equivalent.
I remember an interview with Graham Poll, who basically said that a referee is quite happy for a player to swear at him as he understands that it's normally a heat of the moment reaction. Normal procedure is to give them enough time to calm down and if they then continue then you start getting cards out. I'd also imagine that there are some things that you can't say and will automatically warrant a red card, but I don't think that "f*ck off ref" is going to be at that level.
I forget the chap who posts who is a qualified referee and whether the above is along the lines that he goes with?
In the situation with Barry, I can't think of any reason that Graham Barber specifically had it in for either Villa or Barry, and nor do I think that every other player on the pitch had quietly gone about his business and not said anything to the officials, so I'd assume his red card was warranted.
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I seem to remember a blatant hand ball from Rambo at home to QPR on Boxing Day 1988. I think he palmed the ball down into his path so he could run on and score. Their players were going mental. The ref was unsighted behind him and God knows what the linesman was doing.
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Shearer getting sent off and Tayls rubbing his own head in disbelief when he saw the red. Might have been first match of the season?
Good call. We won 1-0 in the end I think as well? I always remember Colin Calderwood, marking Shearer at the time turning round with his arms out and looking like he was thinking 'what the hell has he blown up for?' Before Rennie dished out the red. Taylor's reaction was classic though.
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I remember an interview with Graham Poll, who basically said that a referee is quite happy for a player to swear at him as he understands that it's normally a heat of the moment reaction. Normal procedure is to give them enough time to calm down and if they then continue then you start getting cards out. I'd also imagine that there are some things that you can't say and will automatically warrant a red card, but I don't think that "f*ck off ref" is going to be at that level.
I forget the chap who posts who is a qualified referee and whether the above is along the lines that he goes with?
With.out appearing to be presumptious Dave, that could be me you are referring to; and yes Graham Poll is correct in his assessment of that particular situation. An unwritten law in football is that, in Britain anyway, there has to be a liberal acceptance of what is discriminately referred to as "shop floor language" Imagine if you can if a referee was to send off everyone who swore he'd be a very lonely individual standing there on his own.
What a lot of people don't realise is the wording of the law that covers the dismissal for that particular offence, it's always quoted as he got sent of for using foul and abusive language, when in actual fact it is foul or abusive language, and therein lies a root of confusion. It may be acceptable to one referee to be called an oaf; shall we say but, to another he may find it abusive and will send off the player for which he will be correct, it would be a rare day that that would happen but do you understand what I am trying to say?
I had a situation when officiating as a linesman during a Southern League match at Redditch versus Dover who had ex-England Peter Taylor as player manager, I flagged him for offside and he called me a "fucking cheat". I flagged over the referee who asked me what I wanted him to do, I said "send him off". It wasn't the fucking I objected to it was the fact he called me a cheat. I may be many things but, a cheat I am not. Anyway the referee bottled it and didn't even book him and that upset me more. Afterwards in the boardroom for sandwiches and drinks, Taylor kept trying to make eye contact with me hoping I'd start a conversation about the incident I'm sure but I never gave him the satisfaction. I've never liked him since.
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Great post dave, but in all fairness doing that job your skin has to be a bit thicker. Not the sending off but holding a grudge. As a player you've forgotten you've said it in seconds.
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You are correct there Peter, and believe me I've got the proverbial hide like a Rhino, you have to have or you wouldn't last five minutes. This is why so many newly qualified referees don't get beyond their second season. Regarding the grudge thing, I never held grudges against players, every game started with a clean sheet, I never let what went before influence anything I ever did.
It's a pity I can't say the same about one individual who I sent off for violent conduct and racism who, over a period of time smashed three of the windows of my house, one of them being the room where my two kids were asleep. All because he had previous and was dealt with by the Birmingham County FA accordingly. Mrs S insisted I didn't give up refereeing then as to have done so would have meant he had won.
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None. Every single decision in our favour for our entire history has been 100% the correct decision.
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I can't believe people think any different, its that simple.
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True, Dave, we don't know what was said, but why should refs have to put up with abuse anyway?
Excepting Dowd, of course...
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A pretty minor one, but getting a penalty a couple of years ago because a QPR defender breathed somewhere near Gabby in the six yard box.
It's almost meant that Dunne's last-minute own goal equaliser wasn't so much of a problem as we shouldn't have been in the lead anyway.
A shirt tug, is a shirt tug.
I have never understood the argument "you'd be giving ten a game for decisions like that". Maybe defenders should stop pulling shirts.
Right in front of that and there was a clear pull back on the shirt. Free kick every time.
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I can't believe people think any different, its that simple.
I remember that being exactly what MON said afterwards and TSM disagreed. So much so that on principal ever since he has boycotted any attempt to get any of his players in the opposition penalty area as he doesn't agree with the rules.
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None. Every single decision in our favour for our entire history has been 100% the correct decision.
This. :-D
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The noses can't moan about any penalties we get against them. The contrived last minute penalty for Frank Worthington to score the winner in the last minute of his testimonial was a disgrace! As was the fact that he got a testimonial at a ground where he had played for about three years. And a bird shat on my head during the game!
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The noses can't moan about any penalties we get against them. The contrived last minute penalty for Frank Worthington to score the winner in the last minute of his testimonial was a disgrace! As was the fact that he got a testimonial at a ground where he had played for about three years. And a bird shat on my head during the game!
Good luck is that!
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Ashley Young...
The home game vs Rapid Vienna in 2009, i didnt go to the game and had the pleasure of watching on ch.5 with Sir Graham commentating. Ashley Young was 'fouled' twice for both penalties (he missed one, and milner scored the other), but both of the incidents were pretty laughable. I distinctly remember the 2nd decision being so bad that Sir Graham went silent when it was shown on the replay. Fortunately it didnt get shown again, unfortunately... karma came back to bite us in the arse and we went out on away goals.
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Anthony Taylor, I salute you. Never have I seen such a biased ref display in OUR favour in an away game. On a top 4 ground aswell.
Can we have him again on Wednesday?
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Other than not sending their keeper off and booking Luna for getting two footed in his chest. I think he was shit for both teams. The only decisions he actually got right were the 2 pens.
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I thought he gave a lot of 50/50s in our favour tbh which helped disrupt Arsenal and slow the game down when it was needed. Vlaar and Westwood both fouled when on a yellow so a petty ref e.g. Dowd or Halsley would've evened it up.
I was right behind the goal for the 2nd penalty (in with the Arsenal fans) and I honestly did not think of a penalty at all, thought Koscienly clearly got the ball so looking forward to seeing that one on the tv.
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I thought he gave a lot of 50/50s in our favour tbh which helped disrupt Arsenal and slow the game down when it was needed. Vlaar and Westwood both fouled when on a yellow so a petty ref e.g. Dowd or Halsley would've evened it up.
I was right behind the goal for the 2nd penalty (in with the Arsenal fans) and I honestly did not think of a penalty at all, thought Koscienly clearly got the ball so looking forward to seeing that one on the tv.
He got half a stud on the ball. They should have been down to 10 men after about 25 minutes, but the actual sending off was harsh. I think it seemed like we were getting more than our fair share of 50/50 decisions, but I've just watched the game again and I think there were poor decisions for both teams.
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We only had 3 pens all last season and now have two already...is that first bit right?
Ref made a few howlers but also got a lot right, including not bowing to that whinging little git Wilshire every time he bunged himself on the floor wailing..
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Yeah Sczheney should've walked as no Arsenal player was behind him...but I suppose he allowed Weimann a free shot at goal anyway so maybe that was right for a yellow.
Love watching Wilshere as a player but yep he's always mouthing off whenever someone breathes on an Arsenal player so good to whack him sometimes which Gabby did right at the end.
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I was right behind the goal for the 2nd penalty (in with the Arsenal fans) and I honestly did not think of a penalty at all, thought Koscienly clearly got the ball so looking forward to seeing that one on the tv.
When the replay is slowed down and zoomed in to it's closest there is evidence that his studs brush the ball.
Now even if we criticise the referee for not having telescopic vision, just because he has made the lightest contact with the ball doesn't mean that it can't be a foul. If he's only made the smallest possible contact on it, then it's clearly not going to have enough momentum to take the ball away and stop Gabby from smacking into the net if it weren't for the fact that his legs have just been swept from underneath him.
I thought it was a clean tackle when I first saw it but every replay vindicates the referee's decision.
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I was right behind the goal for the 2nd penalty (in with the Arsenal fans) and I honestly did not think of a penalty at all, thought Koscienly clearly got the ball so looking forward to seeing that one on the tv.
He had already taken out Gabby's leg with his knee before he touched the ball. Just because you touch the ball at some point in a tackle doesn't mean it's not a foul.
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It's quite simple in a situation like that. The attacker is slightly ahead of you but off to the side of goal, running at pace. You just don't go to ground. He should have tried to shepherd him out, or force him to shoot on a tight angle. It's one of those challenges, because he's coming in from the side and a bit behind, that he has to get absolutely spot on, otherwise it's more than likely a penalty.
No question for me about that decision. Ref was well within his rights to give it. It wasn't as stone wall as the first, but it was still a penalty.
It was quite a niggly game today. Both teams were getting stuck in a bit. A lot of fouls on either side.