Nicklas Helenius

[dave.woodhall]

The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.

how convenient.

For you, certainly.

Well I assume you class yourself as a journalist of sorts. I suggest you check your sources

I have done, several times. I also, obviously unlike you, can remember what happened then.

[Greg N'Ash]

But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you 

as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january  last season and we'd have  still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.

I'm just bragging that I know more than you Greg.

And we could have changed manager like you wanted us to and gone down. And if my auntie had etc etc But i'll stick to what actually happened, which is what I said would happen back when you wanted Lambert gone and gave us no chance of staying up. That we would stay up and we would pass 40 points.

you know no more than me when you thought MON was Jesus, when you thought bottom of the table OGS was the man for us, and when you wanted TSM out the door. At least my views are normally based on performance rather than "belief"

I never thought MON was Jesus, but nice try. Difference is I am man enough to admit I was wrong about OGS. I was wrong to want McLeish out? So we should have kept him?

Face it Greg, you just can't handle it being pointed out that you spent months saying the same thing and it was wrong.

My first post on the Lambert in/out post was along the lines of he needed to get a grip. not asking for him to be sacked. That hardened after countless hammerings to wanting him out. After that it was "stay if he keeps us up, sack him if he goes down. Seeing i changed my mind three times its hardly a entrenched position. You just imagined it that way.

[PeterWithesShin]

So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?

[Greg N'Ash]

The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.

how convenient.

For you, certainly.

Well I assume you class yourself as a journalist of sorts. I suggest you check your sources

I have done, several times. I also, obviously unlike you, can remember what happened then.

ah well. I'm sure rebekah brookes will be using the same arguement. .

[dave.woodhall]

And spelling it correctly.

[Greg N'Ash]

So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?

read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and  YOU wanted some ex-ManU  non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off

[dave.woodhall]

So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?

read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and  YOU wanted some ex-ManU  non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off

You wanted Lambert. Are you absolutely sure about that?

[PeterWithesShin]

So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?

read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and  YOU wanted some ex-ManU  non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off

Seeing i changed my mind three times its hardly a entrenched position. You just imagined it that way.

[PeterWithesShin]

The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.

He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.

As i see it Lerner has three choices:

1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion

2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap.  fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons  in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I.   Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.

3) Keep Calm and go again.


I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet

2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....

[Greg N'Ash]

compared to OGS? yep

[dave.woodhall]

compared to OGS? yep

That's not the question. You just said you wanted Lambert. Not in comparison to anyone else, but as manager. Is that, or is that not, the case?

[PeterWithesShin]

So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?

read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and  YOU wanted some ex-ManU  non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off

I wouldn't have minded OGS. I've never tried to pretend otherwise. Unlike some I don't try and rewrite history. Feel free to quote any of my posts where I said I wanted him for the mature reasons you just gave.

I wasn't convinced by Lambert, I said so at the time, which I could well say I was correct not to be as well. However from the second he took over I fully supported him, as I have every Villa manager. Within a few months I really bought into what he was doing and my stance never changed after that.

I also said in January and February that we would reach 40 points and stay up. I never wavered. And I was right.

[Greg N'Ash]

The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.

He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.

As i see it Lerner has three choices:

1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion

2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap.  fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons  in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I.   Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.

3) Keep Calm and go again.


I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet

2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....

that in bold is  an attack against Faulkner and Lerner and that aimed at lambert was undoubtably true at the time. Read a post dated the same date about lambert as you probably have but ignored . Please stop lying, it does you no credit.

[PeterWithesShin]

How is quoting you saying Lerner should "sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out" me lying?

[Greg N'Ash]

because his ajax of the midlands plan is stupid and will result in him getting the sack because there's nearly no-one who could do it?

Another post from the same day you *forgot* to quote


Lambert seems to have been dealt the same shoddy hand as the last two encumbents - that doesn't excuse his piss poor organisation and tactics - he needs to get a grip - fast.

Faulkner is just an overpromoted idiot with his dreams of a Villa side winning titles/making money on the back of a youth squad who clearly aren't good enough. If it was possible Paul, don't you think the likes of Man U, Chelsea, and Citeh would be doing it? Or do you think they like spending billions on other club's players? Lerner's new years resolution should be to get someone living on planet earth in and jettison the prat.

Lerner. Well where do you start? I can't work out if he's stupid, just knows nothing about football, or he's got some sort of Brewster's millions thing going on.  Taking advice from Ferguson hints at a combination of the first two options. God help us.

I still stand by all that and the one you posted when seen in context