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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: not3bad on June 11, 2013, 05:20:14 PM
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Villa in talks!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3206746,00.html?
Hopefully we'll be signing a defender eventually!!!
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Never heard of him... Anyone got any info?
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Never heard of him... Anyone got any info?
scored about 1 in 3, good feet, very good in the air, strong Benteke type player (not in the same class, but you never know). 6'5 and will fill out.
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Never heard of him... Anyone got any info?
The world of Wiki has him listed as a forward with 35 goals in 90 + appearances for Aalborg and 2 full international caps.
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Looks decent, but then again Balaban did on VHS
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Looks good on Youtube. Some comparisons to Ibrahimavich. He does look the part. Would be an ideal competitor/successor for Benteke. It also means if Benteke needs a rest, we'd have the option to do that without switching things round too much.
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Exactly the mould we need to be backup for Benteke. Great stuff if he is decent. Okore and this guy together would make sense.
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In Lambert we trust. ;D
Beats signing someone like Heskey or Harewood anyway.
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Welcome Nicklas. You're at a fine football club.
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Scored 16 in 33 last season and was player of the season in the Danish Superliga.
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
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Also he's 6 foot 5 and has been capped for Denmark. Valued at just over £1 million.
Cover for Benteke, anyone?
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Replacement for departing Benteke?
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Going by that video, he certainly has quick feet and I can understand the comparison to Ibrahomivic but he would he have some way to go before he could be put in that class.
Odd that the club would announce that we're in discussions with someone, it's not really their way.
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
No, he'll just be cover. Look at that Chelsea game where Benteke was sent off, we had little to no plan B whereas now we can shove this lad on.
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Welcome Nicklas. You're at a fine football club.
He's not signed yet , we have to agree terms and have a medical first - although i would hope that will be straightforward - I'm sure Kent Nielsen will have told him all about the club.
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Also he's 6 foot 5 and has been capped for Denmark. Valued at just over £1 million.
Cover for Benteke, anyone?
yes for sure, and we cannot rest on our laurels and expect him to do it again. Benteke is 22 and needs to be challenged and rested in what is a massive year for him. We cannot expect him to play every game next season and he'll also want to be somewhat fresh for the WC in the summer. If this lad ends up being a replacement for Benteke he'll need to be very good indeed.
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Going by that video, he certainly has quick feet and I can understand the comparison to Ibrahomivic but he would he have some way to go before he could be put in that class.
Odd that the club would announce that we're in discussions with someone, it's not really their way.
They had too because his team announced it on their website.
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I wonder if fans of every club are this negative? It is possible to bolster the squad without selling everyone already at the club.
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Going by that video, he certainly has quick feet and I can understand the comparison to Ibrahomivic but he would he have some way to go before he could be put in that class.
Odd that the club would announce that we're in discussions with someone, it's not really their way.
They had too because his team announced it on their website.
That explains that then. I went to the OS before coming here so it just looked odd.
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Looks decent, but then again Balaban did on VHS
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There's some shocking defending on there but - yeah - bring on the youngsters!
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I wonder if fans of every club are this negative? It is possible to bolster the squad without selling everyone already at the club.
it's the same people who complain that our squad is too thin and complain about the quality of the bench on the match thread
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Replacement for departing Benteke?
Nay nay thrice nay! Ok twice anyway.
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He must be knocking on a bit. Judging by his name he appears to have been born in Ancient Rome.
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He must be knocking on a bit. Judging by his name he appears to have been born in Ancient Rome.
Too late CD, I already did a gladiator joke on the transfer thread.
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As long as he explodes with same venom!
Calling Villa in Denmark to the thread please?
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This is most awesome as Zlatan is one of my fave top 5 players. Non villain! Another great move ! Feel positive with this ( personal down side i done expect altidore will happen)
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I wonder if fans of every club are this negative? It is possible to bolster the squad without selling everyone already at the club.
Amen.
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Going by that video, he certainly has quick feet and I can understand the comparison to Ibrahomivic but he would he have some way to go before he could be put in that class.
Odd that the club would announce that we're in discussions with someone, it's not really their way.
They had too because his team announced it on their website.
That explains that then. I went to the OS before coming here so it just looked odd.
Danish Stock Exchange regulations apparently.
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He must be knocking on a bit. Judging by his name he appears to have been born in Ancient Rome.
Too late CD, I already did a gladiator joke on the transfer thread.
You rotter!
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This is most awesome as Zlatan is one of my fave top 5 players. Non villain! Another great move ! Feel positive with this ( personal down side i done expect altidore will happen)
I don't know what you have just written because it makes no sense, but you do know that Nicklas Helenius is just one player right?
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Cover then replacement in 2 years for Christian in my opinion
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This is most awesome as Zlatan is one of my fave top 5 players. Non villain! Another great move ! Feel positive with this ( personal down side i done expect altidore will happen)
I don't know what you have just written because it makes no sense, but you do know that Nicklas Helenius is just one player right?
Another Robson-Kanu from villakicks
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For a big lad you expect him to be strong and powerful in the air but the boy as some good feet and tekkers about him. Dare I say more impressed than the Benteke clips last year
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Has crossed my mind since I heard.
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Has crossed my mind since I heard.
Hopefully not , but we will probably soon know.
It would be good for the lad to have a year here to find his feet before possibly replacing benteke .
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Has crossed my mind since I heard.
Hopefully not , but we will probably soon know.
It would be good for the lad to have a year here to find his feet before possibly replacing benteke .
I'd really love to see us get another season from Benteke. Hoping this is back-up with a view to challenging for a first-team place eventually. Or, could he lead to Benteke becoming the new Darren Bent, i.e. being pushed out by a relative unknown...
In Lambert we Trust ;)
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Has crossed my mind since I heard.
Personally think he will come in as a replacement for Bent not Benteke.
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
Has crossed my mind since I heard.
Personally think he will come in as a replacement for Bent not Benteke.
A £800k - £1m striker coming in to replace £40 trillion rated Benteke? Erm..I don't think so.
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He must be knocking on a bit. Judging by his name he appears to have been born in Ancient Rome.
Wasnt his club managed by Villa captain Bruce Rioch sometime after he left Arsenal? I havent checked but the name rings a bell.
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Denmark are in World Cup action in the next hour , not sure if helenius is in the starting line up tonight.
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I think he'll just replace Bent on the bench in the short term. Welcome Nicklas, look at what Nicklas Bendtner did and do exactly the opposite, shouldn't go far wrong.
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Cover then replacement in 2 years for Christian in my opinion
This is how I read it, whether in one year or two.
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As good a chance that he's a replacement for Bowery as Bent or Benteke (but not Beimann or Babby).
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Definitely looks like a good prospect. Looks like Villa are being sold in Europe as the club where young players will get a chance, very positive.
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Just seen a YouTube clip, some nice finishing
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Denmark are in World Cup action in the next hour , not sure if helenius is in the starting line up tonight.
A source revealed, late last night.
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Some great finishes on the youtube clip.
He certainly looks the part.
Get him signed up.
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So no one else is concerned that he doesn't appear to use his left foot? That's a pretty fundamental flaw which will be quickly countered by premier league defenders.
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The prems pretty full of one footed players.
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Yeah, seen footage on YouTube also.
Despite his height, he doesnt seem as 'Bambi-like' as Crouch/Zigic and certainly appears to have good touch and close control. Oddly, or perhaps tellingly, I didn't see a single headed goal....and also noted he's very one footed.
Mind you, you can say what you like about the quality of the opposition in Denmark but some the finishes shown there would be unstoppable in any league in the world.
Welcome to Villa, young Nick.
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So no one else is concerned that he doesn't appear to use his left foot? That's a pretty fundamental flaw which will be quickly countered by premier league defenders.
He bangs one in with his left on the video.
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He also uses his left in dancing round people in the box a couple of times.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
After seeing our form pick up at the end of the season, I don't think I've been more excited about a new season for a good while. This is the way to do it, rather than investing in Premiership hasbeen journeymen.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
After seeing our form pick up at the end of the season, I don't think I've been more excited about a new season for a good while. This is the way to do it, rather than investing in Premiership hasbeen journeymen.
Indeed , if we could add okore and belhanda and announce a new deal for benteke then i think we could look at challenging for a top 8 finish .
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Looks a good player from the Youtube clips that I've seen of him he will be a welcomed addition to the squad.
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Danish (league) player of the season by all accounts.
Looks a great buy
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As I don't follow Supaliga much, I don't know much about him, other than he was second top scorer in the league last season. Reading Aab's fansites they seem pretty resigned to the fact he'll be moving on to a better league than Danish top flight this summer.
A couple put question marks over whether he can make the step up, but most think he'll be OK if brought through gradually.
They're pretty quick to dismiss the notion that 6'5" equals a traditional target man. (Poor sods have had a look at VillaTalk). He apparently is just as well known for his set up / approach play as his finishing skills, joint top in assists last year if I read the stats correctly.
And yes Bruce Rioch was coach for Aalborg a few years back. Won the Danish championship and became the first team to get out the CL group stages (finished 3rd and dropped into the Europa league.)
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Sounds promising.
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
Maybe he's off on holiday.
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
Maybe he's off on holiday.
Or faulkner may be away , no need to rush at this time of year.
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Isn't Lambert on holiday?
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
Takes a while sending telegrams between the UK and Denmark.
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He scores two with his left in that video (though the quality for one is so bad its hard to see). Looks like a really exciting player, some great finishes, dribbles and a few spectacular goals thrown in.
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Isn't Lambert on holiday?
Back now i think , he just took a few days off last week according to kendrick.
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Oh apparently an "ITK" is claiming that an initall bid of 7,500,000 kr (about £750,000) was rejected and the bid they're now discussing is worth about twice that initially.
He's on the bench got Denmark tonight and not going to get on as they're just making their third substitution whilst losing 2-0 at home to Armenia.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
After seeing our form pick up at the end of the season, I don't think I've been more excited about a new season for a good while. This is the way to do it, rather than investing in Premiership hasbeen journeymen.
Indeed , if we could add okore and belhanda and announce a new deal for benteke then i think we could look at challenging for a top 8 finish .
Plus a left back and a goalie we may finish top 10
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Oh apparently an "ITK" is claiming that an initall bid of 7,500,000 kr (about £750,000) was rejected and the bid they're now discussing is worth about twice that initially.
He's on the bench got Denmark tonight and not going to get on as they're just making their third substitution whilst losing 2-0 at home to Armenia.
The team selection i checked he wasnt in the 22 for tonight ?
0-3 down at home to Armenia.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
After seeing our form pick up at the end of the season, I don't think I've been more excited about a new season for a good while. This is the way to do it, rather than investing in Premiership hasbeen journeymen.
Indeed , if we could add okore and belhanda and announce a new deal for benteke then i think we could look at challenging for a top 8 finish .
Plus a left back and a goalie we may finish top 10
We were only 5 points off the top 10 last season.
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Losing three-nil to Armenia and he still can't get a game? Fuxake, Lerner Out!!111!!1
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Just double checked and he is definately not in the 22 tonight .
Okore is on as sub but the Danes are getting a hiding at home to a team rank outsiders in the group.
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Just double checked and he is definately not in the 22 tonight .
Okore is on as sub but the Danes are getting a hiding at home to a team rank outsiders in the group.
My mistake. He was listed on DRs sports page earlier. It's not just a hiding, it's humiliation. Second best all over the pitch, but especially at the back. Been a bit better since he went to three at the back and brought Okore on at half time.
Andrea Cornelius has done nothing to improve my opnion of him.
Sad to say it but they've missed Bendtner tonight as a proper focal point for the attack. ( if you haven't heard he's suspended by the DBU whilst he's banned from driving after getting done for drink driving without a valid licence - when you pass over here the licence is only valid for 3 years if i remember correctly and had to be renewed which he forgot to do as he has hardly been in the country for the last 4-5 years.)
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As I don't follow Supaliga much, I don't know much about him, other than he was second top scorer in the league last season. Reading Aab's fansites they seem pretty resigned to the fact he'll be moving on to a better league than Danish top flight this summer.
A couple put question marks over whether he can make the step up, but most think he'll be OK if brought through gradually.
They're pretty quick to dismiss the notion that 6'5" equals a traditional target man. (Poor sods have had a look at VillaTalk). He apparently is just as well known for his set up / approach play as his finishing skills, joint top in assists last year if I read the stats correctly.
And yes Bruce Rioch was coach for Aalborg a few years back. Won the Danish championship and became the first team to get out the CL group stages (finished 3rd and dropped into the Europa league.)
I was kinda hoping you'd say he was crap, like the Belgians on here were saying about Benteke last year.
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Look Mr O'neill there are other nations out there!
Makes it more interesting buying these unknown quantities.
After seeing our form pick up at the end of the season, I don't think I've been more excited about a new season for a good while. This is the way to do it, rather than investing in Premiership hasbeen journeymen.
Indeed , if we could add okore and belhanda and announce a new deal for benteke then i think we could look at challenging for a top 8 finish .
Plus a left back and a goalie we may finish top 10
andsome experience in central defence and midfield.
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As I don't follow Supaliga much, I don't know much about him, other than he was second top scorer in the league last season. Reading Aab's fansites they seem pretty resigned to the fact he'll be moving on to a better league than Danish top flight this summer.
A couple put question marks over whether he can make the step up, but most think he'll be OK if brought through gradually.
They're pretty quick to dismiss the notion that 6'5" equals a traditional target man. (Poor sods have had a look at VillaTalk). He apparently is just as well known for his set up / approach play as his finishing skills, joint top in assists last year if I read the stats correctly.
And yes Bruce Rioch was coach for Aalborg a few years back. Won the Danish championship and became the first team to get out the CL group stages (finished 3rd and dropped into the Europa league.)
I was kinda hoping you'd say he was crap, like the Belgians on here were saying about Benteke last year.
Not really in a position to say one way or the other. No doubt he looks a cut above this level, but it's a big step up. However for the rumoured £1.5M how wrong can it go?
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As good a chance that he's a replacement for Bowery as Bent or Benteke (but not Beimann or Babby).
Blimey this villakick thing is catching!
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As good a chance that he's a replacement for Bowery as Bent or Benteke (but not Beimann or Babby).
Blimey this villakick thing is catching!
Yeah I'm wondering what will happen to Bowery now. Maybe he'll be left on Walsall's doorstep after the friendly.
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If anyone else suggests this means Benteke is off I'll be coming round to rearrange their furniture. Just accept good news and stop trying to bring everyone down you miserable bastards. Looks interesting on the footage, quick feet and an instinctive finish. He'll look awesome beside Benteke.
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
It's the way they travel.
The tall ship sailed on Saturday from a Danish port. The next sets off on Friday and will arrive in Grimsby a week on Thursday.
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
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The way we seem to be signing players which we haven't heard of and when the deals are done/almost done reminds me of the way a certain Mr. Saunders used to do business. I hope we do as well now as we did then !
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
Wrong sort of furniture son ;)
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Austrian, Bulgarian, French, Dutch, Scottish, Irish, Belgium , Australia , American , Swiss, Dutch-Moroccan, Denmark and a smattering of English talent.
Bloody foreigners taking our jobs!
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no you're all way off. My sources have reliably informed me that Elves arrived late last night after a trecherous and exhausting journey having been diverted through the dangerous streets of Coventry to collect gold from the treasurer at Villa Park. They will now, having rested and feasted, begin their travel back. They expect to encounter orks as they head south through Nose country and must again avoid Trolls and Goblins as they re-enter Coventry as they journey east. If they can safely avoid the Nökken they have promised to return within ten days with Nicklas Helenius.
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no you're all way off. My sources have reliably informed me that Elves arrived late last night after a trecherous and exhausting journey having been diverted through the dangerous streets of Coventry to collect gold from the treasurer at Villa Park. They will now, having rested and feasted, begin their travel back. They expect to encounter orks as they head south through Nose country and must again avoid Trolls and Goblins as they re-enter Coventry as they journey east. If they can safely avoid the Nökken they have promised to return within ten days with Nicklas Helenius.
This is poetry at it's best, and fucking funny as fuck. UTV. He is ours by the way. I thought it was a piss take, i was wrong. He is ours. Latin.
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The way we seem to be signing players which we haven't heard of and when the deals are done/almost done reminds me of the way a certain Mr. Saunders used to do business. I hope we do as well now as we did then !
Ah yes, Joe Ward and Terry Bullivant (winky thing)
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
Wrong sort of furniture son ;)
He does not recline enough for my liking.
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I know YouTube can make a donkey look like a race horse but blimey does this Nicklas Helenius look a very skilful player for such a big bloke.
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I know YouTube can make a donkey look like a race horse but blimey does this Nicklas Helenius look a very skilfu playerl for such a big bloke.
Can he do a decent robot dance when he scores that's what I want to know.
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
Maybe he's off on holiday.
Or faulkner may be away , no need to rush at this time of year.
He was at Bodymore with Paul Faulkner
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
Wrong sort of furniture son ;)
I just like fighting. Benteke to Spurs, £9m.
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Why does it take 10 days? Surely personal terms shouldn't be that hard to discuss?
Maybe he's with the Denmark squad.
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
Wrong sort of furniture son ;)
I just like fighting. Benteke to Spurs, £9m.
We wont get that much.
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We'll be lucky to get them to swap Dawkins for him.
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I've got an old settee needs shifting, I reckon Benteke will be off.
Wrong sort of furniture son ;)
I just like fighting. Benteke to Spurs, £9m.
We wont get that much.
It'll be interesting to see how Benteke copes playing under floodlights.
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All we need know is the rest of the Life of Brian carachters.
Biggus dickus will be next ;)
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All we need know is the rest of the Life of Brian carachters.
Biggus dickus will be next ;)
We've put in a dual bid for Dickus and Incontinentia Buttocks.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably. Could all turn pear-shaped if benteke gets crocked, or he has a shit season. Bent is a proven premier striker after all. I think Lambert's sailing very close to the wind personally if this happens.
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I see it as an upgrade on Bowery more than anything else. Who knows, he might actually be quite good Greg. Danish international already at a young age.
If he's gash, he won't have cost us much anyway.
We've already got three decent forwards. If one of Gabby, Benteke or Weimann gets injured, we might change the formation up top, or Tonev comes in wide. Our attacking options look well covered now. It's further back where we still look short.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably. Could all turn pear-shaped if benteke gets crocked, or he has a shit season. Bent is a proven premier striker after all. I think Lambert's sailing very close to the wind personally if this happens.
How exactly? Bent was injured for large chunks of the last 2 seasons, and then not used for other chunks. When he played, he looked awkward in our system too. So far Tonev and this lad are coming in to supplement the forward options which will also include Gabby, Weimann and NZogbia still, plus Benteke. We could not possibly carry the wages and in fairness quality of Bent on the bench for another season. He is better than that in a side that plays to his strengths, and we get someone who suits our game.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
Don't forget the Fonz.
Also, you make it sound like the transfer window's already shut. It's only just begun and we've already signed one player and shown significant interest in another, it's not as if we won't sign new defenders.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
Don't forget the Fonz.
Also, you make it sound like the transfer window's already shut. It's only just begun and we've already signed one player and shown significant interest in another, it's not as if we won't sign new defenders.
well that's the hope. Look this guy could turn out to be another Benteke but he's very much in the no-one knows catagory. I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
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I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
It's not the way Lambert rolls.
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I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
It's not the way Lambert rolls.
I know and it worries me
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
You'll be eating a huge slice of humble pie when we qualify for the Champions League and win both the domestic cups next season.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
This for me. G'night.
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
Don't forget the Fonz.
Also, you make it sound like the transfer window's already shut. It's only just begun and we've already signed one player and shown significant interest in another, it's not as if we won't sign new defenders.
well that's the hope. Look this guy could turn out to be another Benteke but he's very much in the no-one knows catagory. I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
I don't think many established forwards who have already made a name for themselves would come to sit on our bench. And nor should they, in all honesty, if they have a bit about them. Paying £40k + for a reserve forward doesn't seem consistent with our approach for the past 12/18 months either. And that's probably how much it would take (minimum) to tempt that sort of player.
He has a chance to come in and make a name for himself. As a bit part player at first, but the likelyhood of more games if he impresses. If he doesn't, we haven't taken to much of a hammering financially. Makes sense to me.
An English based forward of a similar age and playing to a similar standard (I'd guess the Danish league is somewhere between the Championship and League One quality wise) would probably cost £4/5 million and a fair chunk in wages.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
We still stayed up. You were convinced we wouldn't. Maybe, just maybe things aren't actually as bad as you want to believe.
And you lose a lot of credibility points for the happy clapper cliché.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
I think even Doug never spent so little money on so many unknowns. He must be fuming he sold up.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
We still stayed up. You were convinced we wouldn't. Maybe, just maybe things aren't actually as bad as you want to believe.
And you lose a lot of credibility points for the happy clapper cliché.
you're the one playing the 'told you so' card when the reality is he was doing just as bad as some of clubs around us who changed their manager and stayed up. We had a really bad season and if we do it again, i will again be calling for his head
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
We still stayed up. You were convinced we wouldn't. Maybe, just maybe things aren't actually as bad as you want to believe.
And you lose a lot of credibility points for the happy clapper cliché.
you're the one playing the 'told you so' card when the reality is he was doing just as bad as some of clubs around us who changed their manager and stayed up. We had a really bad season and if we do it again, i will again be calling for his head
But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
Don't forget the Fonz.
Also, you make it sound like the transfer window's already shut. It's only just begun and we've already signed one player and shown significant interest in another, it's not as if we won't sign new defenders.
well that's the hope. Look this guy could turn out to be another Benteke but he's very much in the no-one knows catagory. I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
I don't think many established forwards who have already made a name for themselves would come to sit on our bench. And nor should they, in all honesty, if they have a bit about them. Paying £40k + for a reserve forward doesn't seem consistent with our approach for the past 12/18 months either. And that's probably how much it would take (minimum) to tempt that sort of player.
He has a chance to come in and make a name for himself. As a bit part player at first, but the likelyhood of more games if he impresses. If he doesn't, we haven't taken to much of a hammering financially. Makes sense to me.
An English based forward of a similar age and playing to a similar standard (I'd guess the Danish league is somewhere between the Championship and League One quality wise) would probably cost £4/5 million and a fair chunk in wages.
Well my view if you sell someone like Bent you should be looking for similar quality. I wouldn't be looking for a reserve but someone who would bench gabby say and frankly Gabby as much as i like him will never be a top striker.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
We still stayed up. You were convinced we wouldn't. Maybe, just maybe things aren't actually as bad as you want to believe.
And you lose a lot of credibility points for the happy clapper cliché.
you're the one playing the 'told you so' card when the reality is he was doing just as bad as some of clubs around us who changed their manager and stayed up. We had a really bad season and if we do it again, i will again be calling for his head
But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january last season and we'd have still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
I think even Doug never spent so little money on so many unknowns. He must be fuming he sold up.
Given that you admit he did sell, will you now pay that bet you welched on?
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
I think even Doug never spent so little money on so many unknowns. He must be fuming he sold up.
Given that you admit he did sell, will you now pay that bet you welched on?
no, because that wasn't the wager
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But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january last season and we'd have still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.
I'm just bragging that I know more than you Greg.
And we could have changed manager like you wanted us to and gone down. And if my auntie had etc etc But i'll stick to what actually happened, which is what I said would happen back when you wanted Lambert gone and gave us no chance of staying up. That we would stay up and we would pass 40 points.
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
I think even Doug never spent so little money on so many unknowns. He must be fuming he sold up.
Given that you admit he did sell, will you now pay that bet you welched on?
no, because that wasn't the wager
Go on, tell us what your excuse for not paying this time was.
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But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january last season and we'd have still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.
I'm just bragging that I know more than you Greg.
And we could have changed manager like you wanted us to and gone down. And if my auntie had etc etc But i'll stick to what actually happened, which is what I said would happen back when you wanted Lambert gone and gave us no chance of staying up. That we would stay up and we would pass 40 points.
you know no more than me when you thought MON was Jesus, when you thought bottom of the table OGS was the man for us, and when you wanted TSM out the door. At least my views are normally based on performance rather than "belief"
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Two months before the start of the season and Greg isn't happy? Say it ain't so Joe.
We stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Of course i'm worried.
Which is more than you expected us to do. By a long way. So start believing Greg, it's a lot more fun!
meh. Don't believe in the happy clappy believe stuff. Got us nowhere under MON. We just about got into the last week of the season without worrying about being relegated, and we still have a porous defence and a squad a few injuries away from disaster. I'll start believing we're safe from relegation when we start finishing a bit further up the table.
And even then you'll still be saying Doug's really in charge.
I think even Doug never spent so little money on so many unknowns. He must be fuming he sold up.
Given that you admit he did sell, will you now pay that bet you welched on?
no, because that wasn't the wager
Go on, tell us what your excuse for not paying this time was.
I think you need to bring the original thread up as you brought it up rather than waffling.
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It wouldn't be the greg we know and love if he wasn't putting a negative spin on another positive day. If must be killing him that things are actually looking up. He's like Hades, from the depths of the underworld he thrives and derives his strength from then misery of Villa fans in the world above.
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
how convenient.
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
how convenient.
For you, certainly.
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But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january last season and we'd have still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.
I'm just bragging that I know more than you Greg.
And we could have changed manager like you wanted us to and gone down. And if my auntie had etc etc But i'll stick to what actually happened, which is what I said would happen back when you wanted Lambert gone and gave us no chance of staying up. That we would stay up and we would pass 40 points.
you know no more than me when you thought MON was Jesus, when you thought bottom of the table OGS was the man for us, and when you wanted TSM out the door. At least my views are normally based on performance rather than "belief"
I never thought MON was Jesus, but nice try. Difference is I am man enough to admit I was wrong about OGS. I was wrong to want McLeish out? So we should have kept him?
Face it Greg, you just can't handle it being pointed out that you spent months saying the same thing and it was wrong.
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
how convenient.
For you, certainly.
Well I assume you class yourself as a journalist of sorts. I suggest you check your sources
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Can't say i'm too impressed exchanging a kid for Bent presumably.
You seriously thought Lambert would go for any other option?
Well i'd have hoped next season didn't rely on Benteke continuing to score 19 goals because lets face it, we still have the same defence and if he's out we got erm... gabby, Bowery and Weimann. Probably get 19 in total.
Don't forget the Fonz.
Also, you make it sound like the transfer window's already shut. It's only just begun and we've already signed one player and shown significant interest in another, it's not as if we won't sign new defenders.
well that's the hope. Look this guy could turn out to be another Benteke but he's very much in the no-one knows catagory. I want a bit of experience in the team and by that i don't mean old men but someone born in the 1980's at least
I don't think many established forwards who have already made a name for themselves would come to sit on our bench. And nor should they, in all honesty, if they have a bit about them. Paying £40k + for a reserve forward doesn't seem consistent with our approach for the past 12/18 months either. And that's probably how much it would take (minimum) to tempt that sort of player.
He has a chance to come in and make a name for himself. As a bit part player at first, but the likelyhood of more games if he impresses. If he doesn't, we haven't taken to much of a hammering financially. Makes sense to me.
An English based forward of a similar age and playing to a similar standard (I'd guess the Danish league is somewhere between the Championship and League One quality wise) would probably cost £4/5 million and a fair chunk in wages.
Well my view if you sell someone like Bent you should be looking for similar quality. I wouldn't be looking for a reserve but someone who would bench gabby say and frankly Gabby as much as i like him will never be a top striker.
He certainly gave a good impression of one in the final few months of last season. I would add that he has to begin producing that form on a more consistent basis though.
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
how convenient.
For you, certainly.
Well I assume you class yourself as a journalist of sorts. I suggest you check your sources
I have done, several times. I also, obviously unlike you, can remember what happened then.
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But I did tell you so Greg, and I was right. You just didn't want to believe. Might be time to accept that I know more than you ;)
as i said, someone else could have took over and we'd still be up, Just like TSM could have been sacked in january last season and we'd have still stayed up. Degrees of mediocrity and hardly something to brag about.
I'm just bragging that I know more than you Greg.
And we could have changed manager like you wanted us to and gone down. And if my auntie had etc etc But i'll stick to what actually happened, which is what I said would happen back when you wanted Lambert gone and gave us no chance of staying up. That we would stay up and we would pass 40 points.
you know no more than me when you thought MON was Jesus, when you thought bottom of the table OGS was the man for us, and when you wanted TSM out the door. At least my views are normally based on performance rather than "belief"
I never thought MON was Jesus, but nice try. Difference is I am man enough to admit I was wrong about OGS. I was wrong to want McLeish out? So we should have kept him?
Face it Greg, you just can't handle it being pointed out that you spent months saying the same thing and it was wrong.
My first post on the Lambert in/out post was along the lines of he needed to get a grip. not asking for him to be sacked. That hardened after countless hammerings to wanting him out. After that it was "stay if he keeps us up, sack him if he goes down. Seeing i changed my mind three times its hardly a entrenched position. You just imagined it that way.
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So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?
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The original thread is long lost, so why don't you remind us of the time you claimed that a few months was two and no more, and Doug being president meant he was still in charge.
how convenient.
For you, certainly.
Well I assume you class yourself as a journalist of sorts. I suggest you check your sources
I have done, several times. I also, obviously unlike you, can remember what happened then.
ah well. I'm sure rebekah brookes will be using the same arguement. .
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And spelling it correctly.
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So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?
read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
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So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?
read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
You wanted Lambert. Are you absolutely sure about that?
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So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?
read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
Seeing i changed my mind three times its hardly a entrenched position. You just imagined it that way.
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The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.
He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.
As i see it Lerner has three choices:
1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion
2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap. fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I. Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.
3) Keep Calm and go again.
I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet
2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....
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compared to OGS? yep
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compared to OGS? yep
That's not the question. You just said you wanted Lambert. Not in comparison to anyone else, but as manager. Is that, or is that not, the case?
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So you are saying that you didn't spend months (i.e. more than one) wanting him out and saying we would be relegated? Is that your final answer?
read the lambert in/out thread. Yes i did spend more than one month wanting him out because we were appalling for more than one month. But i didn't turn against him to start off with, nor did i suddenly change sides when we actually won a game or two. My views are always straightforward and again i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
I wouldn't have minded OGS. I've never tried to pretend otherwise. Unlike some I don't try and rewrite history. Feel free to quote any of my posts where I said I wanted him for the mature reasons you just gave.
I wasn't convinced by Lambert, I said so at the time, which I could well say I was correct not to be as well. However from the second he took over I fully supported him, as I have every Villa manager. Within a few months I really bought into what he was doing and my stance never changed after that.
I also said in January and February that we would reach 40 points and stay up. I never wavered. And I was right.
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The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.
He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.
As i see it Lerner has three choices:
1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion
2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap. fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I. Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.
3) Keep Calm and go again.
I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet
2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....
that in bold is an attack against Faulkner and Lerner and that aimed at lambert was undoubtably true at the time. Read a post dated the same date about lambert as you probably have but ignored . Please stop lying, it does you no credit.
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How is quoting you saying Lerner should "sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out" me lying?
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because his ajax of the midlands plan is stupid and will result in him getting the sack because there's nearly no-one who could do it?
Another post from the same day you *forgot* to quote
Lambert seems to have been dealt the same shoddy hand as the last two encumbents - that doesn't excuse his piss poor organisation and tactics - he needs to get a grip - fast.
Faulkner is just an overpromoted idiot with his dreams of a Villa side winning titles/making money on the back of a youth squad who clearly aren't good enough. If it was possible Paul, don't you think the likes of Man U, Chelsea, and Citeh would be doing it? Or do you think they like spending billions on other club's players? Lerner's new years resolution should be to get someone living on planet earth in and jettison the prat.
Lerner. Well where do you start? I can't work out if he's stupid, just knows nothing about football, or he's got some sort of Brewster's millions thing going on. Taking advice from Ferguson hints at a combination of the first two options. God help us.
I still stand by all that and the one you posted when seen in context
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I didn't forget at all Greg, you never asked me to quote that, and I never said I would. So hard to forget something I never said i'd do. Even the post you just used as an example is not exactly a supportive one of Lambert "I can't work out if he's stupid, just knows nothing about football, or he's got some sort of Brewster's millions thing going on."
And that post is in context. It was your first post back. I quoted the whole of your post post and stated what thread it was from. You accused me of lying, where did I lie Greg?
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compared to OGS? yep
That's not the question. You just said you wanted Lambert. Not in comparison to anyone else, but as manager. Is that, or is that not, the case?
And while on the subject of asking you questions Greg, don't forget to answer this one.
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Jesus christ. I'm talking about Lerner not Lambert. I thought you were on a wind-up tonight but you're obviously an idiot. Good night.
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You need to apologise for that Greg. Personal abuse is not permitted.
And don't forget to either prove where I lied or apologise for that as well.
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I'm talking about brewsters millions and you think i mean Lambert??!! I mean wouldn't you rather be thought of as a liar? heh. I apologise
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong. Doesn't excuse resorting to insults though.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
I think its best we leave it there. You obviously read into my posts all sorts of things not intended. If you told me tonight someone would put up an attack by me on Lerner/Faulkner as proof of my long term hatred for lambert i'd never have believed it.
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
I think its best we leave it there. You obviously read into my posts all sorts of things not intended. If you told me tonight someone would put up an attack by me on Lerner/Faulkner as proof of my long term hatred for lambert i'd never have believed it.
Actually I think it best you explain how I am a liar.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
I think its best we leave it there. You obviously read into my posts all sorts of things not intended. If you told me tonight someone would put up an attack by me on Lerner/Faulkner as proof of my long term hatred for lambert i'd never have believed it.
Actually I think it best you explain how I am a liar.
the fact that the whole post you put up is about lerner/faulkner and not lambert. especially the bit you higlighted
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
If you think it no, if you say it, yes.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
Not if it's Bono.
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
I think its best we leave it there. You obviously read into my posts all sorts of things not intended. If you told me tonight someone would put up an attack by me on Lerner/Faulkner as proof of my long term hatred for lambert i'd never have believed it.
Actually I think it best you explain how I am a liar.
the fact that the whole post you put up is about lerner/faulkner and not lambert. especially the bit you higlighted
How is this not about Lambert? "sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out"
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Trivia fans, Rumpole of the Bailey was there first British TV programme to be sponsored. QC sherry. Or Croft Original.
Also, Martin O'Neill doesn't have a law degree, unlike Rumpole, who had at least three.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
Not if it's Bono.
Or Tim Lovejoy. It's always open season on those two.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
If you think it no, if you say it, yes.
What if i think someone is a twat? beginning with G
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
If you think it no, if you say it, yes.
What if i think someone is a twat? beginning with G
You are allowed to say it about Gerrard.
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Ah, I see what I did there, too much Lambert and Lerner in posts. I apologise for getting the Brewsters Millions wrong.
However it still remains that you called me a liar before I made that mistake.
I think its best we leave it there. You obviously read into my posts all sorts of things not intended. If you told me tonight someone would put up an attack by me on Lerner/Faulkner as proof of my long term hatred for lambert i'd never have believed it.
Actually I think it best you explain how I am a liar.
the fact that the whole post you put up is about lerner/faulkner and not lambert. especially the bit you higlighted
How is this not about Lambert? "sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out"
try printing the bit beforehand and the bit after or maybe give it up and stop abusing your position
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So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
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So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
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So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
Are you assuming I'm talking about you?
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try printing the bit beforehand and the bit after or maybe give it up and stop abusing your position
You mean like I did first time, and you called me a liar for it?
Here you go Greg, here is your post in full, again, with your reply where called me a liar for posting it. So where did I lie Greg?
The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.
He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.
As i see it Lerner has three choices:
1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion
2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap. fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I. Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.
3) Keep Calm and go again.
I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet
2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....
that in bold is an attack against Faulkner and Lerner and that aimed at lambert was undoubtably true at the time. Read a post dated the same date about lambert as you probably have but ignored . Please stop lying, it does you no credit.
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So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
Are you assuming I'm talking about you?
not at all. If you are, its a free country. I wouldn't be offended
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So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
So if i named someone who I thought was a twat on this board would I be be banned?
I doubt it.
Are you assuming I'm talking about you?
not at all. If you are, its a free country. I wouldn't be offended
Good job then
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try printing the bit beforehand and the bit after or maybe give it up and stop abusing your position
You mean like I did first time, and you called me a liar for it?
Here you go Greg, here is your post in full, again, with your reply where called me a liar for posting it. So where did I lie Greg?
The prosecution would like admit exhibit A. This would be the first post made by the defendant upon his return after a 6 month absence. The post was made in a thread about one Randolph D. Lerner, but I have highlighted the relevant part which I believe shows the defendant was against Mr Lambert at that time.
He's been a disaster. Whatever mitigating circumstances you can use to justify his calamitous reign, it's his hole and he still keeps digging. Ever since pubehead slung his hook he's veered from one disaster to another. Fucked over Houllier for the old guard for the sake of his wallet - where are these players now? - injured, stinking up our team or stinking up other teams. Then he bought in TSM which is up there with anything those clowns at Blackburn have managed but at least the guy realised how shit we were and played to survive. This is like groundhog day but with a manager without any tactical awareness - forget chelsea, we could be breaking all sorts of records if he keeps putting out the same formation and team. The guy has lost the youngsters totally - the confidence is rock bottom true, but he's not even organising them properly. You're not gonna improve confidence if no-ones knows what they're fucking supposed to do.
As i see it Lerner has three choices:
1) Stick with his ridiculouse Ajax of the midlands plan and sack Lambert tomorrow because he's not good enough to carry it out - I'm not sure who is mind, but anything is better than getting pummelled by 5 goals a game as we slide into oblivion
2) Sack Faulkner and drop 20+m in the managers lap, or another manager's lap. fuck off the likes of Dunne, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia, gGiven for bargain basement prices because they'll be near enough worthless in the championship anyway and they really aren't going to get better - how many Villa players can you think off who've been shite for 2 or three seasons in a row and then come good? Nope neither can I. Cut our losses,just get something for the wasters or pay up their contracts because we'll be doing it next summer anyway. Then pray that 20m together with the few decent youth players is enough to keep us up.
3) Keep Calm and go again.
I'm guessing Lerner hasn't finished digging yet so 3) looks the best bet
2013 is certainly shaping up to be a classic and no mistake....
that in bold is an attack against Faulkner and Lerner and that aimed at lambert was undoubtably true at the time. Read a post dated the same date about lambert as you probably have but ignored . Please stop lying, it does you no credit.
I called you a liar because i thought no-one could seriously come to the conclusion you did from my original post. If i misjudged you and you're a bit...erm i not sure of the word really, without getting into a continuous cycle of apologies.....challenged say, then i'm sorry. Its like me saying you hated Houllier and digging up a post of yours having a go at Mccallister
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You are right Greg, how on earth could I think you didn't rate Lambert when your first post back mentions one of the 3 options Lerner has is sacking him because he's not good enough.
Still, at least you weren't stretching the truth when you said you always wanted Lambert. Or are you challenged and you forgot?
i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
i just hope we don't get lambert because he's the one Lerner would be stupid enough to give a big contract to and he looks the favourite. Gone by this time next year if he comes
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.
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So this Nicklas Helenius seems like a good player, then?
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Greg, what do you think of our current manager and PWS?
You can say anything as long as you only think it!
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I can only assume that Gareth Barry wasn't on the pitch for some reason.
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I can only assume that Gareth Barry wasn't on the pitch for some reason.
Appendicitis
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You are right Greg, how on earth could I think you didn't rate Lambert when your first post back mentions one of the 3 options Lerner has is sacking him because he's not good enough.
Still, at least you weren't stretching the truth when you said you always wanted Lambert. Or are you challenged and you forgot?
i find it hard to take some bloke lecturing me on supporting lambert when I wanted him, and YOU wanted some ex-ManU non-entity because you thought a bit of glory hunter bling would rub-off
i just hope we don't get lambert because he's the one Lerner would be stupid enough to give a big contract to and he looks the favourite. Gone by this time next year if he comes
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.
Well even if you've run away from your frankly mental last point, i'm very happy you can use the search function at least. No doubt your latest quotes are similarly flawed and out of context. I suppose i could go back on 4 years of your wrongness for the next 4 years but i'm, really not that anal and frankly i'm a bit above that. For someone who's a moderator its seems a bit, y'know......
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I haven't run anywhere Greg. Or away from any point. Unlike some I don't try and evade things by being snide. You are an expert at trying to deflect away from questions.
You said you always wanted Lambert while insulting me for not wanting him. I have proved you didn't always want him. Oh and for context, if you click the purple text (where it says "quote from ZYX and the date" above each quote each post it takes you straight to where that post was in it's original thread.
And feel free to report me to the other mods or admin if you are unhappy with me. Just because i'm a moderator doesn't mean i'm going to let someone repeatedly call me a liar and insult me.
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only person on the ego trip tonight was you my friend. I could have dug up embarrassing statements you made and left out half of it or twisted it but i chose not to. I won't report you. I'll let everyone else judge and wonder if they disagree with you just how low you will go......
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only person on the ego trip tonight was you my friend. I could have dug up embarrassing statements you made and left out half of it or twisted it but i chose not to. I won't report you. I'll let everyone else judge and wonder if they disagree with you just how low you will go......
And there you are being snide again Greg. Strange how after you call me a liar you seem to think it is low for me to pull up quotes showing that it isn't me who is economical with the truth.
Here is the page where your "I don't want Lambert posts are from". Just for context of course. So as you, and anyone else, can see that I took nothing out of context, I didn't part quote any posts. So there was no half of anything left out. Anything else you want to make up?
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=46704.msg2051942#msg2051942
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I don't really care PWS. I know the old skool mods on here don't do this sort of thing. Neither did the likes of Risso. I'm sure its allowed but start doing it to someone other than me and i may start using the search function. A lot.
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I don't really care PWS. I know the old skool mods on here don't do this sort of thing. Neither did the likes of Risso. I'm sure its allowed but start doing it to someone other than me and i may start using the search function. A lot.
Feel free to use the search function. It's there for everyone. After all, you called me a liar and i've asked you to prove it.
And me being a mod is irrelevant as I said. You repeatedly insult me and call me a liar and i'm going to defend myself. I'll give up being a mod without a second thought rather than accept that from someone. Especially some who has been proven to be economical with the truth themselves but as always chooses to ignore it in favour of even more snide comments to try and deflect away from it.
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I don't really care PWS. I know the old skool mods on here don't do this sort of thing. Neither did the likes of Risso. I'm sure its allowed but start doing it to someone other than me and i may start using the search function. A lot.
Feel free to use the search function. It's there for everyone. After all, you called me a liar and i've asked you to prove it.
And me being a mod is irrelevant as I said. You repeatedly insult me and call me a liar and i'm going to defend myself. I'll give up being a mod without a second thought rather than accept that from someone. Especially some who has been proven to be economical with the truth themselves but as always chooses to ignore it in favour of even more snide comments to try and deflect away from it.
oh stop whining, its embarrassing.. Stay a mod, quit being a mod. Who cares? You made up some cack about me being against lambert from the start, then posted a diatribe from me aimed at lerner and expected me not to mention it was all about Lerner not lambert?! that either lying or stupid.Snide is digging up every fucking sentence from someone a year ago at different times in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. Well my friend i'm not that snide
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Yet more deflection and another accusation of being stupid or lying.
You brought up me being a mod. I've simply pointed out is irrelevant when someone continually insults me and calls me a liar. You lied about wanting Lambert from the off as I showed at the top of the page. But carry on blaming me Greg, seems you always have to blame someone else.
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meh. Lambert weren't my 1st choice by a long way but compared to Olle Fucking Gunnar Solsjaer he
was ferguson, Mourinhio and guardiola rolled into one. That's what i mean by context. I.e. stick a quote about Lambert from me when i thought we going for a top manager and yes i didn't want him. Ask me again when Lerner's flown a plane to pick up some useless norwegian plank and my view has totally changed.. Not surprisingly.
You've been taking the piss and looking for an argument for weeks now, and i've ignored you. do you want me to use the search function? Certainly falls into your " no insult" criteria as far as i'm concerned.
Well now you've found one and i suggest you crawl back behind your rock. Nite.
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meh. Lambert weren't my 1st choice by a long way but compared to Olle Fucking Gunnar Solsjaer he
was ferguson, Mourinhio and guardiola rolled into one. That's what i mean by context. I.e. stick a quote about Lambert from me when i thought we going for a top manager and yes i didn't want him. Ask me again when Lerner's flown a plane to pick up some useless norwegian plank and my view has totally changed.. Not surprisingly.
You've been taking the piss and looking for an argument for weeks now, and i've ignored you. do you want me to use the search function? Certainly falls into your " no insult" criteria as far as i'm concerned.
Well now you've found one and i suggest you crawl back behind your rock. Nite.
And more insults and deflection. And yes, you could have used the search function at any time. It's what it is there for.
As for insults, you've repeatedly thrown them about tonight and show no signs of stopping despite knowing the site rules.
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well back on topic has he signed yet?
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Hello ! Nicklas Helenius thread ??
Forgot what I wanted to say now after reading all that !!
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Hello ! Nicklas Helenius thread ??
Forgot what I wanted to say now after reading all that !!
yes i did to but i did have a grin as i read it. just what i needed after a night dealing roullette
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Hello ! Nicklas Helenius thread ??
Forgot what I wanted to say now after reading all that !!
Hope Nicklas doesn't read this thread...
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Can we try and stick with comments about/ related to Helenius from here on.
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Apparently, Helenius thinks that Bono is a twat.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
If you think it no, if you say it, yes.
What if i think someone is a twat? beginning with G
Oh please, stop your shit stirring.
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
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Will I get banned if I think someone is a prick?
If you think it no, if you say it, yes.
What if i think someone is a twat? beginning with G
Oh please, stop your shit stirring.
Indeed.
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Apparently, Helenius thinks that Bono is a twat.
He'll do for me...
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
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This is the kind of signing I missed us trying to make when MON was here with his backyard only scouting system. While obviously some of them won't work out, hopefully they will be closer to the Benteke end of the scale than the Balaban end. And I'd argue that even the less convincing signings have been no worse than some of the massively more expensive under-achievers that MON signed (e.g. KEA compared to NRC or Sidwell, Bennett compared to Shorey, Vlaar compared to Cuellar).
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
Surely not ?
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Greg in his pomp is one of the most majestic sights in the natural world.
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
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This is the kind of signing I missed us trying to make when MON was here with his backyard only scouting system. While obviously some of them won't work out, hopefully they will be closer to the Benteke end of the scale than the Balaban end. And I'd argue that even the less convincing signings have been no worse than some of the massively more expensive under-achievers that MON signed (e.g. KEA compared to NRC or Sidwell, Bennett compared to Shorey, Vlaar compared to Cuellar).
Its also worth remembering that all three of these have had to adjust to playing in a much, much tougher league, so I think they can be forgiven having an underwhelming first season. I think we'll have a much clearer idea of whether they can be considered good or bad signings by this time next year.
Remember, excellent debut aside, it took a couple of seasons for Stan to really get up to speed.
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
He's only got himself to blame.
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
Thatcher, Mandela, now Greg Nash. The world is a different place suddenly
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
Thatcher, Mandela, now Greg Nash. The world is a different place suddenly
Mandela's not gone yet, Scoop.
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Can we try and stick with comments about/ related to Helenius from here on.
I have just read all of this thread. That was a bloody good argument though.
Morning Nicklas Helenius. Have you signed yet ?
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I figured with this thread having stretched a few more pages since yesterday people might be thinking when they first read this that not only have now signed him, he's bagged his first goal for us.
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I was thinking the same. It seems like the third week in August !
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
A suspension or permanent ban ?
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I can't believe I missed this thread. Am so angry with myself.
I know, I have one early night and miss a classic.
Ain't gonna be no rematch
Has the gnasher been banished to the bin?
He has indeed. The dark, deep bin from which there is no return.
He's only got himself to blame.
I'm not surprised but I'm not in favour of banning people on the whole. I thought him and PWS were giving as good as each other.
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He will never be forgotten , along with other h&v characters who have fallen by the wayside :(
June the 11th will live long in the memory :'(
I like both the gnasher and pws and its a shame these things happen .
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
I would second that dave , but knowing greg I'm not sure he would offer an apology - it would be nice if it could be patched up between them though.
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This has been coming for a while, though. He's had the h&V equivalent of a Winnie Mandela bedside vigil a number of times now.
As for the Desmond Tutu tribute 'to a true warrior in the cause of equivocation, self-justification and perceived slights,' it's been on file since last April.
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He seems keen to get the deal done:
"I hope that AaB will show enough cooperation and not demand too much money for me," Helenius told Nordjyske.
"The market is not ready for big transfers at the moment.
"I have already secured the club a lot of money through my goals, and I am on my first professional contract. So I am not making an awful lot of money."
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He seems keen to get the deal done:
"I hope that AaB will show enough cooperation and not demand too much money for me," Helenius told Nordjyske.
"The market is not ready for big transfers at the moment.
"I have already secured the club a lot of money through my goals, and I am on my first professional contract. So I am not making an awful lot of money."
Keen to join us , music to my ears.
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He seems keen to get the deal done:
"I hope that AaB will show enough cooperation and not demand too much money for me," Helenius told Nordjyske.
"The market is not ready for big transfers at the moment.
"I have already secured the club a lot of money through my goals, and I am on my first professional contract. So I am not making an awful lot of money."
At least he's honest.
;)
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
I would second that dave , but knowing greg I'm not sure he would offer an apology - it would be nice if it could be patched up between them though.
Thirded. Come on Nash, say sorry ya daft sod. That's not an insult is it ?
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
I would second that dave , but knowing greg I'm not sure he would offer an apology - it would be nice if it could be patched up between them though.
Thirded. Come on Nash, say sorry ya daft sod. That's not an insult is it ?
Pws, you are an honourable man - i will give you my prized villa snowglobe in full working order if you patch it up with the venerable gnasher :(
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
I would second that dave , but knowing greg I'm not sure he would offer an apology - it would be nice if it could be patched up between them though.
Thirded. Come on Nash, say sorry ya daft sod. That's not an insult is it ?
Greg did apologise a few pages back. I'm struggling to see what all the fuss was about.
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I don't think it's for us to decide. I'm pretty sure the people who run this site have thought long and hard about this.
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My my... how some sites change! I appreciate Greg was a little out of order but I have never seen a Moderator "goad" someone like this and it be classed as acceptable.....IN MY OPPINION (get out clause). All seem a little silly really. Oh well...
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I don't think it's for us to decide. I'm pretty sure the people who run this site have thought long and hard about this.
Its nothing that can't be smoothed over !
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I don't think it's for us to decide. I'm pretty sure the people who run this site have thought long and hard about this.
Sure but it wasn't you that won the bet with Greg. Like this I'll never get paid.
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I don't think there was any goading involved. It was classic Greg Nash passive aggression. Wanting to be right even when he's wrong; wanting to be the injured party when he's obviously not.
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I don't think it's for us to decide. I'm pretty sure the people who run this site have thought long and hard about this.
Sure but it wasn't you that won the bet with Greg. Like this I'll never get paid.
That's hardly a reason to ban someone though.
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I don't think there was any goading involved. It was classic Greg Nash passive aggression. Wanting to be right even when he's wrong; wanting to be the injured party when he's obviously not.
Nonsense. I've never seen GregNash be aggressive with anyone. And there was plenty of goading. The whole argument was pathetic. It should be just forgotten about just like every other petty spat is on here. No need for bans.
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A night of the greg's we not had of them for a few years.
Is this lad signing?
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A night of the greg's we not had of them for a few years.
Is this lad signing?
Has said he wants to leave Aab today and we're in talks to sign him apparently.
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I don't think there was any goading involved. It was classic Greg Nash passive aggression. Wanting to be right even when he's wrong; wanting to be the injured party when he's obviously not.
Nonsense. I've never seen GregNash be aggressive with anyone. And there was plenty of goading. The whole argument was pathetic. It should be just forgotten about just like every other petty spat is on here. No need for bans.
Not for you or me to decide, though, is it? I've never had a problem with Greg but there is plenty of history here. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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Greg did apologise a few pages back. I'm struggling to see what all the fuss was about.
Same here. Read most of it and I can't really see why greg should be banned?
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A night of the greg's we not had of them for a few years.
Is this lad signing?
Has said he wants to leave Aab today and we're in talks to sign him apparently.
I've heard his demands are £20k a week with a £500k signing on bonus, a £2k per goal scoring bonus, a clause for re-negotiation after two years, 10% of any transfer profit we make on him and that gregnash is re-instated.
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Apparetly Champions League finalists Borussia Dortmund and Feyenoord are also tracking Helenius! Nice!
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June the 11th will live long in the memory :'(
I think bad stuff was on June 12 mostly!
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I don't think there was any goading involved. It was classic Greg Nash passive aggression. Wanting to be right even when he's wrong; wanting to be the injured party when he's obviously not.
You are right Damon, as I stated in my post Greg dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of and resulted to insult.
It's a fine line trying to be controversial in your argument and crossing over to being insulting. PWS deserves an unreserved apology not one that is slightly veiled as IMO Greg's was. If that is forthcoming and accepted then perhaps a reconsideration may be looked into.
Most of us abide by site rules but, there are always going to be those that think the rules are for everyone else, just not them.
Without so-called controversial posters like Greg the site would be bland and boring which it isn't and that's the reason he should be given one last warning. It would also remain to be seen whether or not he would wish to come back.
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I've heard his demands are £20k a week with a £500k signing on bonus,
I kinda like him too but I cant see us paying that to get him posting again.
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I can imagine the reaction of my missus if I came to bed at 4.30am and explained that i'd been arguing with someone on the internet about whether a Villa manager should have been sacked six months ago.
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Villa talk are tracking the gnasher , quick get him back whatever it takes !
It will be like like Saunders leaving us and turning up at the sty :(
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I've heard his demands are £20k
a week with a £500k signing on bonus,
I kinda like him too but I cant see us paying that to get him posting again.
Mr woodhall has deep pockets laden with gold so i understand :)
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Just a thought. If Gnash is banned and has no access to the forum, how the hell is he going to be able to appologise ?
Is he going to tie a note to a pigeons leg or summat ?
We could be waiting for a while if that is the case.
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I agree, asking for an apology when someone calls you a liar despite you piling evidence that you aren't is perfectly reasonable. Trying to avoid that apology and adding insults is a bit childish. Not sure this on it's own would be a ban but gnasher has had a few run ins like this where, even when he's proven to be wrong, he refuses to concede the point and instead becomes quite petty. Having strong and/or controversial opinions is fine but sticking to them bullishly and being condescending to people who prove you wrong isn't something I want on this site, personally. I love H&V because the community is a lot more mature than any other fansite I've been on so when the conversations descend to playground arguments I can understand the mods being quite strict with people.
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You know that thing where a referee reaches in his pocket for a second yellow, and with his other hand points to three or four spots on the pitch where he's let things go?
That's what's happened here, it seems to me. Anyone who thinks this is a straight red out of nowhere hasn't been paying attention.
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Crucifiction ? One cross each, turn to the left.
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You know that thing where a referee reaches in his pocket for a second yellow, and with his other hand points to three or four spots on the pitch where he's let things go?
That's what's happened here, it seems to me. Anyone who thinks this is a straight red out of nowhere hasn't been paying attention.
Thes things happen, we've mostly been here for years , all sometimes things get heated - i respect both Greg and pws and they are both decent men - it can be patched up and forgotten , it was the early hours , people get tired and can go too far - we are all friends give or take the odd couple of losers and we know who they are .
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You know that thing where a referee reaches in his pocket for a second yellow, and with his other hand points to three or four spots on the pitch where he's let things go?
That's what's happened here, it seems to me. Anyone who thinks this is a straight red out of nowhere hasn't been paying attention.
Thes things happen, we've mostly been here for years , all sometimes things get heated - i respect both Greg and pws and they are both decent men - it can be patched up and forgotten , it was the early hours , people get tired and can go too far - we are all friends give or take the odd couple of losers and we know who they are .
Yeah you t**t. ;)
Seriously what has happened happened. Can we, as I requested (listened to here less than at home by the children is depressing) talk about Helium balloon please!
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The exchange between nash and pws was embarrassing for both parties, they should swap numbers and do it on their own time.
Nash's original point, while expressed fairly negatively, has some validity.
Lose Bent, get in Helenius. That leaves us with 3 rookie Pl strikers and Gabby (Bowery as well I suppose). As well as the front 3 performed in the 2nd half of the season and I genuinely do expect both Weimann and Benteke to kick on, it might not go as smoothly.
It's not my opinion though, I am delighted to be going for a player like this, who I am sure Lambert has scouted thoroughly. We all know Bent is on his way and Lambert is never going to buy a like-for-like to replace him. It is another sign of him changing the whole dynamic of the squad. Dunne gone, Hutton finished at Villa, Given off on loan most likely, Bent will go....Ireland is the problem one. I would prefer to see 1 or 2 players with more experience in there, 1 centre back and 1 centre midfield. But I don't think the inexperience factor will be as much of an issue next year, by virtue of the fact that they all have a full season under their belts.
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This whole situation is the moderators fault. They never normally allow individual player threads until a player has actually signed and often close them no matter how close the deal is. In this case they seemed to have made an exception thus creating "bad juju" and changing the course of humanity.
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At least this way Greg will be able to concentrate on his career as a Timelord.
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Or using the search function.....
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Helenius is being quoted saying that while the clubs are negotiating, he will come to Birmingham at the weekend or early next week "to have a look".
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His agent has said he's flying to Birmingham next week to discuss personal terms and undergo a medical.
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Makes sense. This only broke yesterday due to Danish stock exchange rules, so is probably in the early stages and there's a way to go.
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I suspect he'll join, it's not like the official site tend to announce things prior to being fairly certain.
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This whole situation is the moderators fault. In this case they seemed to have made an exception thus creating "bad juju" and changing the course of humanity.
I say burn them...burrrrrn them all and appoint new more ...more better...well slightly better and more strict ...yes really strict really really strict moderators NOW!
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Just been on SSN that he will be in Brum for a medical next week. His club have said that, looks promising that does.
Burn them by the way. All of them.
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However heated the debate/argument, personal insults are uncalled for and not warranted. Greg dug himself a hole he had difficulty getting out of and resulted to insult and defamation.
I've enjoyed reading Greg's slant on things even agreeing with some of his points at times. It's unfortunate that he's gone and a polite request from me to the mods PWS in particular, if Greg offers an apology and PWS is willing to accept it, can his red card be reduced to a yellow and a couple of days suspension be issued?
I would second that dave , but knowing greg I'm not sure he would offer an apology - it would be nice if it could be patched up between them though.
Thirded. Come on Nash, say sorry ya daft sod. That's not an insult is it ?
Greg did apologise a few pages back. I'm struggling to see what all the fuss was about.
Agreed. Seems a bit of a feeding frenzy. Epic quotathons and threats of banning for having an opposing point of view or not backing down all seems a bit Villa Talk. I actually disagreed with Greg's original point, but he was one of the more positive posters from what I recall last season (and under McPish). So petty point scoring over his more negative contributions last year seems a bit off. Most of us could have been accused of that at various stages last season.
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I probably didn't help so sorry.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
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I understand that Niklas had agreed terms, but after reading this thread in his hotel he has decided to decline the offer. My sources also tell me that Bentake has now decided to ply his trade in non-league football
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
I could'nt agree more personally.
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I would love to see Greg back on here, but he would probably need to show a bit of humility for that to happen. As we all know, the very thing that makes him so entertaining is his total inability to admit that he is wrong.
So I'm not holding my breath.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
I could'nt agree more personally.
I have a picture of you in my head agreeing in a "personal" way. Not a good start to the day
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
I could'nt agree more personally.
I have a picture of you in my head agreeing in a "personal" way. Not a good start to the day
I can imagine it would'nt be.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
I could'nt agree more personally.
I have a picture of you in my head agreeing in a "personal" way. Not a good start to the day
Indeed not ;)
On topic it seems the helenius deal will be pretty uncomplicated and he adds to the options which augurs well.
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
Ooh you are awful - but I like you :D
Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
Lets hope we can finalise okore today.
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
Ooh you are awful - but I like you :D
Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
Lets hope we can finalise okore today.
Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing. :P
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First there's posters tearing each other apart, and now we've got you two licking each others rings.
One extreme to another on this board.
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mood swings on here love
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
Ooh you are awful - but I like you :D
Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
Lets hope we can finalise okore today.
I wish I had the confidence to refer to myself in the third person.
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
Ooh you are awful - but I like you :D
Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
Lets hope we can finalise okore today.
I wish I had the confidence to refer to myself in the third person.
So does not3bad.
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I think that it should be left up to Greg and PWS to sort this out. At the end of the day it was their argument.
Two long standing members. I am sure it will be sorted.
Wise words dan, how is the lambs wool project developing ?
Very well mate, very well. ;)
Excellent - it will be a long winter ;)
That's when the proper arguing starts, so i have been told. :o
Ooh you are awful - but I like you :D
Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
Lets hope we can finalise okore today.
I wish I had the confidence to refer to myself in the third person.
Eastie employs a minion to write his posts for him.
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Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
That is a bit risky? I mean you are bound to pile on some lard through the winter.....
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Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
That is a bit risky? I mean you are bound to pile on some lard through the winter.....
Not till August next year , will fit like a glove by then ;)
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Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
That is a bit risky? I mean you are bound to pile on some lard through the winter.....
Not till August next year , will fit like a glove by then ;)
I hope it stays in fashion!
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Very quiet in here today , eastie is having to sit around waiting for a suit to be delivered - daughters wedding next year so getting prepared early .
That is a bit risky? I mean you are bound to pile on some lard through the winter.....
Not till August next year , will fit like a glove by then ;)
I hope it stays in fashion!
Plain black suit - just the job for weddings and funerals.
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I was up with toothache and following.
I appreciate that Greg apologised. However, he didn't apologise for the 'liar' bit. I've read it again since. PWS quoted Greg directly. I'm therefore still puzzled about the liar accusation, given that it was a direct quote. I've decided to ask if Niklas is really going to join us.
It would be a shame if we lost a long standing member and i hope things can still be patched up between pws and Greg , they are both good people and two of my favourite posters and its nothing that can't be sorted.
Greg's a wind up merchant, full stop.
Yes, he makes some good points, and I've agreed with plenty in the last couple of years, but when some of more questionable comments come under a bit of scrutiny he reverts to this passive/aggressive nonesense and starts trotting out these stereotype cliches which are offensive, but probably just on the right side of the site rules.
And that 'apology' to PWS was probably the most backhanded I've ever seen.
don't know what everyone's getting so wound up about? It's the Internet- freedom of speech and all that... Sticks and stones will brrrrrrrrrreak my bones! Whack!!
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First there's posters tearing each other apart, and now we've got you two licking each others rings.
One extreme to another on this board.
Thanks for that Lee, no need to EVER put that image in someones head than you!
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I can imagine the reaction of my missus if I came to bed at 4.30am and explained that i'd been arguing with someone on the internet about whether a Villa manager should have been sacked six months ago.
This.
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I can imagine the reaction of my missus if I came to bed at 4.30am and explained that i'd been arguing with someone on the internet about whether a Villa manager should have been sacked six months ago.
This.
*henpecked nodding*
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Not bad.
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On the other hand........
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Some of his finishing is first class in that video. Will be interesting to see how he goes. Could be the bargain of the summer.
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Some of his finishing is first class in that video. Will be interesting to see how he goes. Could be the bargain of the summer.
Seems like he has a bit of pace for a tall lad as well.
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This is a very weird thread.
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The interesting thing about young Nicklas is that he has being getter better and better. He is coached by our own Kent Neilsen - who compared him to Zlatan Imbramovic. He has played two and a half seasons in Denmark - and his goals per game ratio has increased each season. In 11/12 he played 32 games - scored 14 - and got 8 assists. The 12/13 season saw him playing 33 - scoring 16 - and setting up 7. That is getting on for a goal every two games. Not bad.
He was picked for the Danish U21 team where he scored 4 in 5 games. He was subsequently capped at senior level in two substitute appearances.
You can read about him a bit more here http://greatdane-uk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/keep-eye-on-nicklas-helenius.html (http://greatdane-uk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/keep-eye-on-nicklas-helenius.html).
I think many fans will have to accept that the new Villa are going to confound the old ways of public house assessment. Lambert and Lerner plainly have a vision - and it is one that will avoid the obvious. Who had heard of Benteke before Lambert brought him to Villa Park? I know I hadn't. I trust in Lambert and his network to make the right choices.
I can't believe how professional the club is being in clearing out the old and getting in the new.
Tonev - highly rated young international - with a work hard attitude. Okore - highly rated young international with a work hard attitude. Bacuna - highly rated young international etc etc. And now Helenius - from the same mould. I see a picture emerging here. While we get linked with flamboyant jinksters like Brahimi and Belhanda - we don't bring them in - because they are flash Harrys - big time Charlies - Lambert doesn't do White Lamborghinis and 36 carat diamond earstuds.
And I think that is brilliant - because the only thing that will make people work hard and want to stay with us is if they feel like they are part of something bigger than themselves - and it is something that is going somewhere. Big time Charlies are in it for themselves - and that is all. If anyone doubts this - read up on what Lambert has to say about his joining Dortmund - about how hard he worked - about how the team worked with him - all supporting each other. Check out talkshite - Lambert was on there the other day and spoke of how he was invited to the Champions League final - and met up with that Dortmund team. You could hear the love and respect in his voice. I think that is what Lambert wants to build at Villa - something bigger than just a well paid job - he wants to build something special.
For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
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The interesting thing about young Nicklas is that he has being getter better and better. He is coached by our own Kent Neilsen - who compared him to Zlatan Imbramovic. He has played two and a half seasons in Denmark - and his goals per game ratio has increased each season. In 11/12 he played 32 games - scored 14 - and got 8 assists. The 12/13 season saw him playing 33 - scoring 16 - and setting up 7. That is getting on for a goal every two games. Not bad.
He was picked for the Danish U21 team where he scored 4 in 5 games. He was subsequently capped at senior level in two substitute appearances.
You can read about him a bit more here http://greatdane-uk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/keep-eye-on-nicklas-helenius.html (http://greatdane-uk.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/keep-eye-on-nicklas-helenius.html).
I think many fans will have to accept that the new Villa are going to confound the old ways of public house assessment. Lambert and Lerner plainly have a vision - and it is one that will avoid the obvious. Who had heard of Benteke before Lambert brought him to Villa Park? I know I hadn't. I trust in Lambert and his network to make the right choices.
I can't believe how professional the club is being in clearing out the old and getting in the new.
Tonev - highly rated young international - with a work hard attitude. Okore - highly rated young international with a work hard attitude. Bacuna - highly rated young etc etc. And now Helenius - from the same mould. I see a picture emerging here. While we get linked with flamboyant jinksters like Brahimi and Belhanda - we don't bring them in - because they are flash Harrys - big time Charlies - Lambert doesn't do White Lamborghinis and 36 carat diamond earstuds.
And I think that is brilliant - because the only thing that will make people work hard and want to stay with us is if they feel like they are part of something bigger than themselves - and it is something that is going somewhere. Big time Charlies are in it for themselves - and that is all. If anyone doubts this - read up on what Lambert has to say about his joining Dortmund - about how hard he worked - about how the team worked with him - all supporting each other. Check out talkshite - Lambert was on there the other day and spoke of how he was invited to the Champions League final - and met up with that Dortmund team. You could hear the love and respect in his voice. I think that is what Lambert wants to build at Villa - something bigger than just a well paid job - he wants to build something special.
For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Dog forbid he's actually building a team!
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For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Yes, because it has been a cacophony of whining around here lately, hasn't it?
FFS.
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For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Yes, because it has been a cacophony of whining around here lately, hasn't it?
FFS.
Think sonlyme might have gone by the more recent posts on this thread and missed the outright cheering elsewhere about all the new signings (feels good typing that) and there's been a lot of cheering!
I'll add another one. Hurray!
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For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Yes, because it has been a cacophony of whining around here lately, hasn't it?
FFS.
Did you read any posts during the season just gone?
Have you in fact - read this thread?
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For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Yes, because it has been a cacophony of whining around here lately, hasn't it?
FFS.
Think sonlyme might have gone by the more recent posts on this thread and missed the outright cheering elsewhere about all the new signings (feels good typing that) and there's been a lot of cheering!
I'll add another one. Hurray!
It would be nice to think that, wouldn't it? Benefit of the doubt, and all that.
Unfortunately he chimes in with this nauseating pish about moaning and 'so called Villa fans' during good times and bad. Clearly nobody is as good a Villa fan as sonlyme. He's ace. Hopefully we'll get some visual aids soon too. 2/3 pictures of footballers or managers with curious expressions on their face. That's always a real hoot.
Apart from that weird spat between Greg and PWS, the reaction to this signing (as with all the others) has largely been positive.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
I think in certain situations we can play Benteke and Helenius together, if we're trying to bombard teams in a more stylish, elegant Stoke kind of way. We wouldn't necessarily have to switch to two up front either. Benteke is more than capable of shifting wide. At times he's look brilliant attacking fullbacks. And he'll still find ample space, normally ramraided all by himself, to get a good shot away.
I would also think that many of the young players last season would have had more rest time, if not for the lack of suitable replacements. That's something that Lambert seems to be readily identifying. I think he'll have two players for every position, all very capable of interchanging without affecting the quality too much.
Benteke of course is our one player who's on a different level, who'd be missed a lot.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
I think in certain situations we can play Benteke and Helenius together, if we're trying to bombard teams in a more stylish, elegant Stoke kind of way. We wouldn't necessarily have to switch to two up front either. Benteke is more than capable of shifting wide. At times he's look brilliant attacking fullbacks. And he'll still find ample space, normally ramraided all by himself, to get a good shot away.
I would also think that many of the young players last season would have had more rest time, if not for the lack of suitable replacements. That's something that Lambert seems to be readily identifying. I think he'll have two players for every position, all very capable of interchanging without affecting the quality too much.
Benteke of course is our one player who's on a different level, who'd be missed a lot.
There were plenty of times late in the season where Benteke moved wide left and Gabby was more central, I'd like to think that Benteke and Helenius could both play that 'wide target man' role as well as a more classic central striker role. The tactical flexibility it gives to be able to put big men on the full backs and pace in the centre is important to help breakdown the 'bus parkers'.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
Good , we want people who are going to fight to earn a place in the team and not be happy picking up their wages off the bench.
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For all the whining surely it is now apparent that Villa are on the right track - have the right manager - and the right attitude to push on and achieve that something special.
Enjoy it ffs.
Yes, because it has been a cacophony of whining around here lately, hasn't it?
FFS.
Did you read any posts during the season just gone?
Have you in fact - read this thread?
Yes, I did read a lot of posts in the season just gone, but there appears to be no whining now, least of all in this thread.
There also appears to be a general level of positivity, and nobody currently seems to be need to be told to "enjoy it, FFS", either.
I can barely remember a time of more unity on here. There's no need to start going on about people whining, whether it be now or over the last season. What's the point?
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Any chance of keeping the thread on the topic of Niklas Helenius rather than giving it over to yet more personal grudges however deeply if irrationally held?
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
Good , we want people who are going to fight to earn a place in the team and not be happy picking up their wages off the bench.
Agree, eastie
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Any chance of keeping the thread on the topic of Niklas Helenius rather than giving it over to yet more personal grudges however deeply if irrationally held?
you were the one who went off on one about people moaning FFS.
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Along with Okore, I'm most excited about this (potential) signing. Every player seems to have a video whacking in goals from all angles but it's the way he takes them that strikes me. He seems like a really thinking player with no shortage of quality. Would be a great addition I reckon.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
wide roles? Isn't he 6 foot 5? It'd be like having Ian Ormondroyd again. A bit 80s.
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Any chance of keeping the thread on the topic of Niklas Helenius rather than giving it over to yet more personal grudges however deeply if irrationally held?
Has there not been enough arguments over the last few days without starting another one ? Just an observation like.
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Helenius has stated he doesn't want to move and be on bench. I think he will be ready to compete for a place - one of the wide attacking roles or up top. It would be interesting to see how he and big Ben would play.
wide roles? Isn't he 6 foot 5? It'd be like having Ian Ormondroyd again. A bit 80s.
Now there's a thing. Ormondroyd was regarded as a bit of a freak. Now players that size are not exactly the norm, but neither are they rare. I blame Thatcher.
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Ormondroyd was considered a freak because of that amazing mullet he had when he played for Bradford. It was like Alien vs Predator vs Chris Waddle
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I read that Helenius preferred the number 10 role, is poor in the air but great touch.
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Is he here? Should be on the BH tour by now, or were the longships hampered by the bad weather?
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Lambert is currently trying to lure him off Lindisfarne with the promise of warm mead and fine Saxon cunny further inland.
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Lambert is currently trying to lure him off Lindisfarne with the promise of warm mead and fine Saxon cunny further inland.
Those cursed monks. I blame St Cuthbert probably recruiting for the barcodes. Typical geordie.
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Oops sorry!
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I'm sure he's buying him to evolve into the main striker role. He should get better in the air as he gets stronger and older. Crouch didn't used to be that good in the air/
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He looks like he could play the wide role too if needed.
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I counted about two headed goals in that compilation video. For a giant, signs are that aerial prowess aint his strong point. Some nice touches and finishes though.
The OS said this deal could take a fortnight to complete so it must have been at the early stages when Helenius' club announced news of it during the week. We only comment when the signing is sealed but there shouldn't be worry about the progress. If we want him enough we'll get him. Patience.
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I'm sure he's buying him to evolve into the main striker role. He should get better in the air as he gets stronger and older. Crouch didn't used to be that good in the air/
Might be evolving a lot sooner than you think reading the Benteke thread.
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I'm sure he's buying him to evolve into the main striker role. He should get better in the air as he gets stronger and older. Crouch didn't used to be that good in the air/
Might be evolving a lot sooner than you think reading the Benteke thread.
Indeed, although I'm sure lambert would bring in another striker as well if Tekkers goes.
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I'm sure he's buying him to evolve into the main striker role. He should get better in the air as he gets stronger and older. Crouch didn't used to be that good in the air/
Might be evolving a lot sooner than you think reading the Benteke thread.
Indeed, although I'm sure lambert would bring in another striker as well if Tekkers goes.
Yes hopefully, perhaps this is Kendrick's mystery man? Mind you, all this panic is based on one Facebook comment which might turn out to be a 'misunderstanding'
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whats happened to this fella, are we still interested in him ?
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Should be finalised midweek.
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Should be finalised midweek.
hope so,
as you-tubes go, his one is quality
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he's still on holiday with Noggin the Nog and won't be bacvk until Thursday, so there.
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he's still on holiday with Noggin the Nog and won't be bacvk until Thursday, so there.
Not bad but must troy harder
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The fee will be around £1.2m with add-on clauses. Allegedly.
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He does look like he has got incredible technique for such a gangly looking bloke. Hopefully he will fill out a bit and be strong enough to cope with using his height in a physical way too. Looks a heck of a talent to start with though at £1.2 million.
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The fee will be around £1.2m with add-on clauses. Allegedly.
Where is the fee quoted? and is he in the UK yet? Looks quite a talent!
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The fee will be around £1.2m with add-on clauses. Allegedly.
Where is the fee quoted? and is he in the UK yet? Looks quite a talent!
Got it from "avillafan.com" who seem to have been on the ball with the other moves so far this summer.
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From the vid he does look like he can finish. That said, he wont get anything like the time and room in the prem to be that prolific. The keeping will be far better too.
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From the vid he does look like he can finish. That said, he wont get anything like the time and room in the prem to be that prolific. The keeping will be far better too.
I think some of the keeping in the Prem was really poor last season. Only Guzan, Begovic and De Gea impressed me. Hart was up and down for him but still very good, but beyond that, there were some terrible displays.
Be very interesting how this kid gets on. Of all our signings so far, he intrigues me the most.
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The fee of 1.2m (with add-ons) is being reported by the Danish press. Talk that it might even be announced today.
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
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Does anybody think this may be a sign that Benteke is leaving?
No, he'll just be cover. Look at that Chelsea game where Benteke was sent off, we had little to no plan B whereas now we can shove this lad on.
Do you think bowery will be surplus to requirements tom?
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Just heard Helenius is signing on Thorsday and isn't a replacement for anyone with the possible exception of Odin
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
There are some lovely young wenches en route though so expect them in August.
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
Ha ha.
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From the vid he does look like he can finish. That said, he wont get anything like the time and room in the prem to be that prolific. The keeping will be far better too.
I think some of the keeping in the Prem was really poor last season. Only Guzan, Begovic and De Gea impressed me. Hart was up and down for him but still very good, but beyond that, there were some terrible displays.
Be very interesting how this kid gets on. Of all our signings so far, he intrigues me the most.
yes I agree oz
he intrigues me the most to
I know you tube can make anyone look good, but you cant pretend to have close ball control and good technique if you haven't,
he looks really impressive with some of the stuff he can do, i'm not bothered about the long shots from outside the box, every footballer can put out a you tube video with them on, but his ability with the ball at his feet is quite exciting
the only problem I have is if he really is a good prospect how come no one else is bothered about him and he is costing only 1.2 mill, I mean that's loose change now in the football world
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Plus he's raping and pillaging his way down here too. That takes time out of your day.
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From the vid he does look like he can finish. That said, he wont get anything like the time and room in the prem to be that prolific. The keeping will be far better too.
I think some of the keeping in the Prem was really poor last season. Only Guzan, Begovic and De Gea impressed me. Hart was up and down for him but still very good, but beyond that, there were some terrible displays.
Be very interesting how this kid gets on. Of all our signings so far, he intrigues me the most.
yes I agree oz
he intrigues me the most to
I know you tube can make anyone look good, but you cant pretend to have close ball control and good technique if you haven't,
he looks really impressive with some of the stuff he can do, i'm not bothered about the long shots from outside the box, every footballer can put out a you tube video with them on, but his ability with the ball at his feet is quite exciting
the only problem I have is if he really is a good prospect how come no one else is bothered about him and he is costing only 1.2 mill, I mean that's loose change now in the football world
Makes you feel any better Dortmund have been seriously interested but are seeing him more as a replacement for the Lev, who is now staying. So there is interest from elsewhere.
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I think you're all missing the point here a bit, if they landed in Harwich they've probably come up through Cambridge, to Peterborough and across through Leicester and Coventry...
So has anyone checked the Peterborough outer ring road, you could get stuck on that for days if you're not careful.
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I think you're all missing the point here a bit, if they landed in Harwich they've probably come up through Cambridge, to Peterborough and across through Leicester and Coventry...
Maybe they got to Coventry and decided to turn back.
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According to the local press in northern Jutland, he flew in this morning to finalise the contract.
Fee reported at £1.2M plus add-ons.
Expected to be announced either tomorrow or Wednesday.
http://www.nordjyske.dk/sport/helles-store-dag/3d1c89e0-6ec7-46c4-9b46-4137ee37e791/24/1547
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According to the local press in northern Jutland, he flew in this morning to finalise the contract.
Fee reported at £1.2M plus add-ons.
Expected to be announced either tomorrow or Wednesday.
http://www.nordjyske.dk/sport/helles-store-dag/3d1c89e0-6ec7-46c4-9b46-4137ee37e791/24/1547
Excellent news.
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Welcome Niklas! Cousin of Hermoor, follower of Odin, protector of Sif, consort of Thruer and brother to Tur. May Ullr be with you!
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According to the local press in northern Jutland, he flew in this morning to finalise the contract.
Fee reported at £1.2M plus add-ons.
Expected to be announced either tomorrow or Wednesday.
http://www.nordjyske.dk/sport/helles-store-dag/3d1c89e0-6ec7-46c4-9b46-4137ee37e791/24/1547
Google translate gets it bang on with one paragraph from that:
Both Nicklas Helenius' and this agent Mads Bach Lund have had their mobiles switched off this morning. Definitely because of the flight, but now the two in place in England's second largest city, where Aston Villa reigns.
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I love Danes.
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I love Danes.
They're great!
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
Or even worse .... tugboats up yer Dudley tunnel :)
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
Or even worse .... tugboats up yer Dudley tunnel :)
Trust you.
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
Or even worse .... tugboats up yer Dudley tunnel :)
Trust you.
Yes and you will have suffer me and boy wonder again this season - I renewed !!!
Take care buddy and have a great summer.
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According to the local press in northern Jutland, he flew in this morning to finalise the contract.
Fee reported at £1.2M plus add-ons.
Expected to be announced either tomorrow or Wednesday.
http://www.nordjyske.dk/sport/helles-store-dag/3d1c89e0-6ec7-46c4-9b46-4137ee37e791/24/1547
AaB er blevet enige med Aston Villa om en overgangssum på 1.200.000 pund samt en række underklausuler.
Både Nicklas Helenius’ og denne agent Mads Bach Lund har haft deres mobiler slukkede hertil formiddag. Definitivt på grund af flyveturen, men nu er de to på plads i Englands næststørste by, hvor Aston Villa regerer.
NORDJYSKE erfarer dog også, at Helenius tidligst vil blive præsenteret som Aston Villa-spiller i morgen og måske endda først onsdag, da en række formaliteter skal falde på plads.
Translate from: Norwegian
Heartland has reached agreement with Aston Villa for a transfer fee of 1.2 million pounds and a number of sub-clauses.
Both Nicklas Helenius' and this agent Mads Bach Lund have had their mobiles switched off this morning. Definitely because of the flight, but now the two in place in England's second largest city, where Aston Villa reigns. Like that bit!
NORDJYSKE learns, however, that Helenius earlier will be presented as Aston Villa player tomorrow and maybe even until Wednesday, when a number of formalities to fall into place.
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now the two in place in England's second largest city, where Aston Villa reigns. Like that bit!
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I heard that a handful of Vikings moored their ship in Harwich on Thursday last week and were making their way in the general direction of the Midlands on foot. Must be close now!
They'd be here by now. Only took my mate two days to walk to QPR. He set out Thursday morning and got there for a 3 o'clock Saturday kick-off.
Ah yes, but modern roads for your mate versus no roads for the vikings.
Longboats up the Grand Union?
Or even worse .... tugboats up yer Dudley tunnel :)
Trust you.
Yes and you will have suffer me and boy wonder again this season - I renewed !!!
Take care buddy and have a great summer.
Good news. You too mate.
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Plus he's raping and pillaging his way down here too. That takes time out of your day.
None of that required now. He can leave all that for Premier League defences next season.
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I think you're all missing the point here a bit, if they landed in Harwich they've probably come up through Cambridge, to Peterborough and across through Leicester and Coventry...
So has anyone checked the Peterborough outer ring road, you could get stuck on that for days if you're not careful.
If they went via manningtree, they could easily have died of boredom and despair
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I think you're all missing the point here a bit, if they landed in Harwich they've probably come up through Cambridge, to Peterborough and across through Leicester and Coventry...
To be honest, if they were forced to experience the A14, maybe we'd deserve all that rape and pillage.
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1.2m looks a steal to me.
I imagine he'll slowly be eased in and will only start if Benteke is unavailable (I mean when injured and not elsewhere) If the worst happens and Benteke isn't here we'll sign another forward.
Clearly Lambert has looked at it and seen Gabby is much better cutting in from outwide nowadays than right through the middle and Bowery isn't of the required quality to be starting premier league games so with Bent off we need another leader of the line in the squad.
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If Helenius can play as a wide striker too, and he looks like he has the pace and ball control to do so, then we have three players in Tonev, N'Zogbia and Helenius who can come in for either Andi or Gabby when the situation dictates, with hopefully not a serious drop off in quality.
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I reckon he'll be a bench warmer for most of next season. Grant Holt spent a fair bit of time on the bench under Lambert as well i think.
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I reckon he'll be a bench warmer for most of next season. Grant Holt spent a fair bit of time on the bench under Lambert as well i think.
I reckon he'll be the new sensation in town, especially if Benteke leaves
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I think you're all missing the point here a bit, if they landed in Harwich they've probably come up through Cambridge, to Peterborough and across through Leicester and Coventry...
To be honest, if they were forced to experience the A14, maybe we'd deserve all that rape and pillage.
Have they reached Mercia yet?
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If Helenius can play as a wide striker too, and he looks like he has the pace and ball control to do so, then we have three players in Tonev, N'Zogbia and Helenius who can come in for either Andi or Gabby when the situation dictates, with hopefully not a serious drop off in quality.
Hmm, not sure about that.
Helenius has been playing in the Danish league. I think he's going to have a lot of work to do before he can be seen in that light.
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If Helenius can play as a wide striker too, and he looks like he has the pace and ball control to do so, then we have three players in Tonev, N'Zogbia and Helenius who can come in for either Andi or Gabby when the situation dictates, with hopefully not a serious drop off in quality.
Hmm, not sure about that.
Helenius has been playing in the Danish league. I think he's going to have a lot of work to do before he can be seen in that light.
Yes I agree, I think he's one for the future - doubt he will have much of an impact next season.
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I see the move's gone through now.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3212996,00.html
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Lets wait and see, as noted on all the players signed/nearly signed, he has very good technique, good first touch, good close control, strikes the ball cleanly. All of these traits will help him to settle into a league where he might struggle with the physical side of things, we just need to keep him confident that his technique can be the crutch to him making the step up. Fitness, strength, etc can be worked on over the summer, but having the right technique takes much longer.
I think he'll settle in quicker than a lot of people might expect.
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Welcome to Villa Nicklas, I hope you're very successful here.
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Welcome to the club, talks a good game and Lambert clearly speaks of him growing with the side etc, so no immediate massive expectation.
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I'm excited by this guy. He could be very good. If he gets a few early goals in his Villa career he can kick on quickly. But for the fee involved it's a really good gamble to take. Beats paying 3.5 mill on a Heskey or a Harewood, or paying over the odds for someone like Charlie Austin.
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I wonder if during scouting and negotiations, the club purposely look for all prospects to use key words like hungry? I think all of the new players have used it in their interviews. Old Dickey Dunne would have been using it all the time had they been after him.
Seriously, welcome to the revolution Nicklas. Make a name for yourself son
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
Yes I really liked that too.
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
Yes I really liked that too.
It's honestly like they have found players that have bought into what all of this means, the size of the opportunity and the desire to be a part of a young squad in a top league from the off. They all seem very motivated indeed.
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
Yes I really liked that too.
It's honestly like they have found players that have bought into what all of this means, the size of the opportunity and the desire to be a part of a young squad in a top league from the off. They all seem very motivated indeed.
I think that is Lambert "selling" the club and his ideas to them all.
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
Yes I really liked that too.
It's honestly like they have found players that have bought into what all of this means, the size of the opportunity and the desire to be a part of a young squad in a top league from the off. They all seem very motivated indeed.
Indeed we need to stick to our guns and hold onto our players now.
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I think it's a key component of what Lambert looks for when scouting a player - ability AND attitude.
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Blimey he is tall ! Aren't goalposts about 8 foot tall ??
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/ad/5d/0,,10265~12017069,00.jpg)
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I wonder if during scouting and negotiations, the club purposely look for all prospects to use key words like hungry? I think all of the new players have used it in their interviews. Old Dickey Dunne would have been using it all the time had they been after him.
Seriously, welcome to the revolution Nicklas. Make a name for yourself son
Or is it just a bit naive to think it hasn't been written for them and rehesarsed for an hour.
That's what PR Departments are for.
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I wonder if during scouting and negotiations, the club purposely look for all prospects to use key words like hungry? I think all of the new players have used it in their interviews. Old Dickey Dunne would have been using it all the time had they been after him.
Seriously, welcome to the revolution Nicklas. Make a name for yourself son
Or is it just a bit naive to think it hasn't been written for them and rehesarsed for an hour.
That's what PR Departments are for.
Probably a little bit of their actual personality, a little bit of Lambert's personality/ideas that they've picked up in discussions, and a big ol' bit of PR coaching.
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Blimey he is tall ! Aren't goalposts about 8 foot tall ??
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/ad/5d/0,,10265~12017069,00.jpg)
The Danes use such tiny goals maybe! Imagine what he will be like shooting on full sized ones.
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If he is as good as Laursen was for us then we should be okay ! Dane's usually fit into English football pretty well and quickly.
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Welcome Nicklas
Another one in that seems to have been done with the minimum of fuss.
We are obviously selling the club in the right way. Well done Villa.
I don't miss the days when potential transfers dragged on for weeks with speculation, denials, approaches, denials, talks, negotiations etc, etc. (although that was probably due to Prima Donnas and their agents).
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Me and my dad have just met helenius at VP. He was getting out of the car that had brought him from bodymoor heath (i guess) and we went over and welcomed him to the club, Im 6ft 3 and he towered over me. Seemed like a nice guy.
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I'm almost losing track of all our new additions!
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Welcome Nicklas
Another one in that seems to have been done with the minimum of fuss.
We are obviously selling the club in the right way. Well done Villa.
I don't miss the days when potential transfers dragged on for weeks with speculation, denials, approaches, denials, talks, negotiations etc, etc. (although that was probably due to Prima Donnas and their agents).
Quite right andy. Wishful thinking, but if we never do another dragged out purchase I won't miss it.
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Blimey he is tall ! Aren't goalposts about 8 foot tall ??
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/ad/5d/0,,10265~12017069,00.jpg)
The Danes use such tiny goals maybe! Imagine what he will be like shooting on full sized ones.
We will never concede from a corner ever again !! No one can possibly beat him in the air !!
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Blimey he is tall ! Aren't goalposts about 8 foot tall ??
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/ad/5d/0,,10265~12017069,00.jpg)
The Danes use such tiny goals maybe! Imagine what he will be like shooting on full sized ones.
We will never concede from a corner ever again !! No one can possibly beat him in the air !!
Only Okore, according to his interview.
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I'm almost losing track of all our new additions!
Perhaps this should be on the 'old farts' thread if there is one but......
Cut it out Lambert, I can't keep track of all these new players. Took me ages to sus out last years recruits and now there is a load more!
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Welcome to B6, I hope he's better than the last Gladiator striker we had.
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As with Okore, I love the way he refers to us as 'we' when talking about Villa performances last season.
yes and both players should settle in quicker too , knowing each other.
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I did'nt realise Kent Neilsen was his gaffer at Aalborg.
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Blimey he is tall ! Aren't goalposts about 8 foot tall ??
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/ad/5d/0,,10265~12017069,00.jpg)
The Danes use such tiny goals maybe! Imagine what he will be like shooting on full sized ones.
We will never concede from a corner ever again !! No one can possibly beat him in the air !!
Only Okore, according to his interview.
I was thinking this about when PL used bowery really for his height when we were getting battered a bit by fourth tier teams so this would be good addition to have someone defending and scoring at corners . Personally I think Bowery could move on.
Welcome to VP anyway ;)
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Watching the vid of him, his quick feet reminded me of Lewandowski and his goals against Real Madrid. If he can get near that sort of standard, we'll have a hell of a striker on our hands. Similarly if we can play like Dortmund, we're in for some fun times.
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I did'nt realise Kent Neilsen was his gaffer at Aalborg.
is he ? I never knew that
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Welcome Nicklas
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Gotta say, I do like the way Lambert does business. He must be well served by scouts in Europe. If only 3 out of the 4 signings work out well it will be very good business. Lerner must be really happy with this approach.
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If 3 of 5 come off this window it will a good hit rate in fairness. So far, only Bowery and KEA have not really contributed a lot. Dawkins excluded due to being as close to a trial as you could ever wish a loan to look.
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Welcome Nicklas to the greatest club in the world!
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In the lands of the North, where the Black Rocks stand guard against the cold sea, in the dark night that is very long the Men of the Northlands sit by their great log fires and they tell a tale ... and those tales they tell are the stories of a kind and wise king and his people; they are the Sagas of Nicka the Nog.
Ibrahimovic mark II according to the mighty Kent.
Welcome - and prosper great Dane.
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I like what I am seeing and hearing about this lad. He will be a great outlet when we need to rest Benteke and maybe even play them together as he looks like he has very good feet. Not moaning but would of liked to see a second CB with aerial power alongside Okore. But who knows its only June. And perhaps Vlaar will get some valuable pre season work in to improve on winning aerial battles .....
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Welcome Nicklas Helenius.
I never saw this one coming. "Ducks, trying to avoid the guaranteed abuse and sarcy remarks about being ITK. Stands up again, not really giving a shite."
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I've just seen his interview on Sky Sports News. He's a very confident lad isn't he?
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Welcome Nicklas.
19 league goals is the norm around these parts for the first season.
No pressure and best of luck .
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I've just seen his interview on Sky Sports News. He's a very confident lad isn't he?
What did he say?
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I've just seen his interview on Sky Sports News. He's a very confident lad isn't he?
Yep could draw comparisons to another Danish striker called Nicklas...
Welcome Mount Helenius anyway. Reading what the Danish journo said looks like we have another Peter Crouch good touch for a big man striker in our ranks.
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If he's half as good as his lanky predecessors, Crouching Tiger and Paranoid Ormondroyd he'll be a bit shit, so hopefully he's as good as them.
If he bumps into Zigic at Solihull Asda and they come to blows over the last salmon fillet who will you have your money on?
Welcome Helenius of Acropolis. Long may you reign.
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Well one lanky predecessor was John Carew who is the same height as young Nicklas. Another 'John Carew' at his best would be good.
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Four signings already. Another player I have not heard of again to be honest, but Lambert and his scouts seem to know a good player when they see one.
Welcome to Villa big man.
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I like what I am seeing and hearing about this lad. He will be a great outlet when we need to rest Benteke and maybe even play them together as he looks like he has very good feet. Not moaning but would of liked to see a second CB with aerial power alongside Okore. But who knows its only June. And perhaps Vlaar will get some valuable pre season work in to improve on winning aerial battles .....
There was quite a good article recently that described how Benteke and Lukaku had learnt to play together with benteke dropping deeper. I see no reason to do this immediately but it's an option to add to the numerous other.
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1.2m looks a steal to me.
I imagine he'll slowly be eased in and will only start if Benteke is unavailable (I mean when injured and not elsewhere) If the worst happens and Benteke isn't here we'll sign another forward.
Clearly Lambert has looked at it and seen Gabby is much better cutting in from outwide nowadays than right through the middle and Bowery isn't of the required quality to be starting premier league games so with Bent off we need another leader of the line in the squad.
See, I think one of the many qualities Benteke brings to the side is the way he frees up space for others.
Even if he isn't scoring, he is often the focus for the opposition. They'll generally have at least two players around him. Towards the latter part of the campaign -when he was generating more and more headlines and defences were wary of him- he was cute enough to go wide and pull players out of position.
Gabby -like Bill Wyman- cashed in on this with more direct runs through the middle. He actually isn't much cop out wide. He has pace, but isn't fleet of foot enough for a winger. As an left sided or right sided forward he isn't much better. Let him run through the middle with space though and he's a nightmare to deal with. See the Norwich game, where Bassong supposedly had Benteke in his pocket, but Gabby was free to run amok.
That's actually what concerns me most about losing Benteke. We might find a forward who is cute enough to pull defenders out of position and links up well with his teammates. We might - if we're really lucky- be able to find a forward who weighs in with 19/20 goals. I don't think we'd find a replacement who brings both to the table.
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Well one lanky predecessor was John Carew who is the same height as young Nicklas. Another 'John Carew' at his best would be good.
John was built like a Barratt house though. Should have been the Benteke of his day.
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Welcome little nicky
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If we lost benteke, there'd be little point trying to get someone in who offered everything he does. We'd be very unlikely to strike gold again so quickly. But we could use the money to strengthen the team as a whole. For example, we could get a great target man with less goal threat, but also get a number 10 capable of adding a new dimension to our game and getting into double figures, and possibly strengthen in another position too.
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i'm going to stick my neck out and say he'l be the new Villa star next season, and will be a first team pick by the end of the season
I had the same hopes for Gary Penrice in 1991, so I don't always call it right
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i'm going to stick my neck out and say he'l be the new Villa star next season
That would probably make a good thread - "Who will prove the best signing?"
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Interesting interview with him on Sky, I didn't realise he had quite a bit of pace. That opens up potential roles for him within the team.
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i'm going to stick my neck out and say he'l be the new Villa star next season, and will be a first team pick by the end of the season
I had the same hopes for Gary Penrice in 1991, so I don't always call it right
I had a vision of this the other day, with a glum looking Benteke watching on from Darren Bent's old spot on the bench.
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Danish striker Nicklas Helenius will maintain his prolific scoring record next season - and also set up plenty of chances for his new Villa colleagues.
That's the view of Aalborg manager Kent Nielsen, who was a big favourite at Villa Park after moving here from Brondby in 1989.
"Nicklas has very good vision," said Nielsen. "Last season he was not only our highest scorer, he also made the most assists.
"He is always aware of his team-mates and he has a very good pass.
"He's also very lively during matches and will always cause problems for the opposition.
"He scored a lot of goals at under-17 and under-19 level, and he has continued scoring for the two-and-a-half years I have been at the club."
Nielsen is obviously disappointed to be losing the 22-year-old international, who was second in the Danish Superliga goal charts last season.
But he is delighted the youngster is following in his own footsteps by coming to Villa.
"We are sorry to see him leave, but on the other hand we also know the nature of football," said the man who is best remembered by the claret and blue for his stunning volley against Inter Milan in the UEFA Cup in 1990.
"I'm pleased he has joined Villa. If he was going to join a Premier League club, Villa were the right club for him.
"That's not just because Villa are close to my heart. They have a very young squad at the moment and they are giving the youngsters a chance, just like we have done here in Aalborg.
"So in one eye we are sad but in the other eye we are smiling. Nicklas has taken many steps forward over the past two years but this one is huge.
"The pace of the game in England is a challenge for all Scandinavian players.
"But he is such a good finisher and if he can find the space like he has in Denmark he will score goals.
"Hopefully I will get the chance to come back to Villa Park next season and see him in action."
Despite the youngster's height, Nielsen believes Helenius's biggest asset is his powerful shot.
His final goal for Aalborg was a header against Nielsen's former club Brondby, but it's on the ground that the former Villa man expects him to be most effective.
"He has been very impressive for such a young player," added Nielsen.
"He scored a few goals with headers last season but his main strength is his shooting. He hits the ball so hard it's unbelievable.
"He is very strong from distance and is very precise. A lot of his goals have been scored from the edge of the penalty area, but he can also score what you would call easy goals, which is obviously important.
"He has progressed well throughout his time here. His first touch needs a bit of developing and I think he needs to put on weight, and he is going the right way."
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Thanks Kent. You're a gent.
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I am feeling excited about this guy
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Interestingly, Benteke mentioned how much he enjoyed playing in the 'number 10' role for Belgium recently, with Lukaku the most advanced forward. If Helenius is good at dropping off as well we could have a very fluid version of 4-2-3-1 on our hands, where the central strikers act like the old midfield duos: 'one stays, one goes'.
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It's great to have options isn't it.
If we can develop a solid defence we may surprise one or two people this coming season.
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Interestingly, Benteke mentioned how much he enjoyed playing in the 'number 10' role for Belgium recently, with Lukaku the most advanced forward. If Helenius is good at dropping off as well we could have a very fluid version of 4-2-3-1 on our hands, where the central strikers act like the old midfield duos: 'one stays, one goes'.
Sounds good; and if the wide forwards can change wings as well we should keep most defences on their toes.
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Interestingly, Benteke mentioned how much he enjoyed playing in the 'number 10' role for Belgium recently, with Lukaku the most advanced forward. If Helenius is good at dropping off as well we could have a very fluid version of 4-2-3-1 on our hands, where the central strikers act like the old midfield duos: 'one stays, one goes'.
I must admit when I read that it sounded like a desperate attempt to cement a place in the Belgium team, that is offering to play somewhere/anywhere else in order to guarantee a place rather than actually wanting/preferring to do it.
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Why would he need to go to.those lengths?
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Has this been posted?
http://youtu.be/rOyK8nJ3MIs
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Has this been posted?
http://youtu.be/rOyK8nJ3MIs
yes,
but its worth seeing again
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Has this been posted?
http://youtu.be/rOyK8nJ3MIs
The goal at 1:45 is lovely, Begkamp-esque first touch and then good strength and awareness to finish.
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Looks a cracking player, got lot's of options up top this season can see him & Benteke starting a lot of games and causing havoc!!
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What I like about those videos is that they show him not merely performing well in a lower-standard league, but actually doing things unnecessarily well.
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I like this kid more and more. He looked a real menace yesterday with anything decent into the box and isn't afraid to have pop at goal from distance. Needs to fill out a bit also because PL defenders will be tough on him. But great potential. Also like what he's said here:
Helenius disappointed by Benteke stance
15 July 2013
Aston Villa forward Nicklas Helenius has expressed disappointment over Christian Benteke's desire to leave the club.
Benteke handed in an official transfer request earlier this month, with the likes of Chelsea and Tottenham having been linked with a swoop for his services.
The Belgian, who scored 19 goals in his debut season in the English top flight, has subsequently been absent from the club's pre-season trip to Germany - Helenius' first experience of life with Villa since his switch from Aalborg BK.
And, despite his own first-team prospects potentially receiving a boost from Benteke's seemingly imminent departure, Helenius still hopes to play alongside his fellow frontman.
"We have not been given much information about why he is not joining us for pre-season, but apparently he has put in a transfer request," the Dane told The Birmingham Mail.
"It is down to the club and player how they want to handle the situation. It is not something that I take much joy from even though it improves my chances.
"We need the strongest possible squad for the upcoming season and I was looking forward to being in the same side as Christian Benteke.
"In that respect it is sad what is happening around Benteke as he was definitely one of the players that I was looking forward to observing and learning from."
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Hmm, on the other hand will Benteke's wanting away put potential signings off from talking to us?
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Hmm, on the other hand will Benteke's wanting away put potential signings off from talking to us?
I was thinking something similar last night. From the outside looking in, only Benteke and possibly Bent and Gabby would be recognisable names to most foreign players. Saying that, I'm sure I'd struggle to name more than two, Norwich, Fulham, Albion, Stoke, Sunderland and Newcastle players but I can name every Villa player.
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Hmm, on the other hand will Benteke's wanting away put potential signings off from talking to us?
From the market we're shopping in, probably not. I think we're still a very good place to come, particularly for young players. I'd actually be more concerned with players who come here, half hoping to step up even further a year down the line.
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Hmm, on the other hand will Benteke's wanting away put potential signings off from talking to us?
It all depends who we are competing against for that player and what we present as the opportunity. Firstly, we are a PL club and that in itself is attractive. For example Michu chose Swansea. Did they need Michu to get Bony? Michu depsite his excellent first season is hardly a world class player. There are numerous reasons why a player joins a club that I don't think for a second there is one rule governing all and especially for the types of players we might be after.
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Hmm, on the other hand will Benteke's wanting away put potential signings off from talking to us?
Nope, it will encourage them. We can provide them with a spot in the premier league, allowing them an ideal platform to showcase their abilities and for them to move on to bigger and better things.
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Has this been posted?
http://youtu.be/rOyK8nJ3MIs
Bloody nora
If we had him and Benteke competing for a place next season then shit would be getting real
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Fuck me he does look like a player. I feel even more confident about my nomination of him as our surprise player for next season.
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Nik could be our saviour!
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From the games people who watched in Germany - could you see a good partnership with Nicolas and Benteke if there is no other buyer who can afford CB. This would mean competition.
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Nik could be our saviour!
Er, hi your majesty. Isn't the saviour thing reserved for kings, by Divine Right?
Unless you are devolving yours, like signing over a cheque, to young Niklas. Gawd bless you, guvnor, if so. UTV!
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The second goal is something that tries a lot. If you watch the highlights of the last game in Germany he tries that shot twice and it doesn't come off. It's a dragged low shot from the left side of the 18yd box into the bottom near corner.
The thing I like about him as I do with Benteke is just the variety of goals. Helenius has the same confidence to run with it or crack it from long range. And the one goal in that selection is very Bergkamp-esque
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Nik could be our saviour!
Er, hi your majesty. Isn't the saviour thing reserved for kings, by Divine Right?
Unless you are devolving yours, like signing over a cheque, to young Niklas. Gawd bless you, guvnor, if so. UTV!
I have long renounced any intentions to rule Danes!
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I think we have another potential gem on our hands with this lad. Looking forward to seeing him in the Premiership soon.
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I hope he is working on his strength and conditioning over the next few weeks to put a few extra kilos, so that he is ready for the physical aspect.
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Why is it that some think tall players need to work on thier strenghth just becasue they are tall? Makes no sense he is not skin a bones?
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He doesn't look very strong to me. All arms and legs.
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The second goal is something that tries a lot. If you watch the highlights of the last game in Germany he tries that shot twice and it doesn't come off. It's a dragged low shot from the left side of the 18yd box into the bottom near corner.
The thing I like about him as I do with Benteke is just the variety of goals. Helenius has the same confidence to run with it or crack it from long range. And the one goal in that selection is very Bergkamp-esque
If it's the same goal I'm thinking of, it reminded me of Robert Lewandowski in the Champions League semi-final against Real Madrid i.e. very fast feet. Lambert probably sees his beloved Dortmund as the exemplar of what he's trying to achieve so hopefully Helenius has the potential another Lewandowski as he develops over the next few years.
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The second goal is something that tries a lot. If you watch the highlights of the last game in Germany he tries that shot twice and it doesn't come off. It's a dragged low shot from the left side of the 18yd box into the bottom near corner.
The thing I like about him as I do with Benteke is just the variety of goals. Helenius has the same confidence to run with it or crack it from long range. And the one goal in that selection is very Bergkamp-esque
If it's the same goal I'm thinking of, it reminded me of Robert Lewandowski in the Champions League semi-final against Real Madrid i.e. very fast feet. Lambert probably sees his beloved Dortmund as the exemplar of what he's trying to achieve so hopefully Helenius has the potential another Lewandowski as he develops over the next few years.
It's the one where he kind of flicks it past the defender in mid-air and spins all in one effortless movement, before burying it. Rather tasty
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I remember this time last year (ish) thinking how good Holman appeared to be in front of goal for us...
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I remember this time last year (ish) thinking how good Holman appeared to be in front of goal for us...
With Holman, I always remember Tom Ross talking to an ex-Nose on the radio who is now a scout for a Premier League club, with his base in Holland. It was not long after we had agreed the deal and Tom Ross was saying how good it was to go and pick up a cheap foreign player this early and he asked the scout for his opinion on Holman four or five times, hoping to elicit a positive response.
The scout just kept repeating "he is a hardworking player, but I wouldn't say anymore than that". I thought at the time "you bitter Nose", but I guess he knows his business.
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He reminds me a bit of Tore Andre Flo - when he was useful.
Unlike Stephen Ireland who's been a bit of an Andy Capp with a diamond earring.
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I remember this time last year (ish) thinking how good Holman appeared to be in front of goal for us...
and then there was those pesky Belgian Villains as well numerous "experts" who were telling us how very average Benteke was and how we'd paid 8m too much for him. Not exactly a perfect science is it?
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Looking forward to going through a similar saga next summer with Helenius.
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Looking forward to going through a similar saga next summer with Helenius.
I would hope he has a bit more sense about him. I don't really expect him to hit anything like the Benteke heights, because that would be very unlikely.
He definitely seems to have some ability about him. He's a touch of the Crouch/Flo about him as mentioned. He kind of looks a little gangly and awkward but has a great touch. I know some may expect him to play the role Benteke did but he'll have his own style. Just like Crouchy, he's gonna be a nightmare to defend against at times. He won't rough the defenders up I shouldn't think, but I think because he's not exactly a brick shit house he'll win a lot of freekick's. Crouchy at his best, because of how awkward he is, wins a lot of frees.
If we're lucky we'll have unearthed the new Ibrahimavich. If he turns out to be the next Tore Andre, at 1 mill that'll still work out as decent value.
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Looking at the comments of his agent on twitter, there is no chance of him doing what Benteke has if he has an amazing season.
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Hopefully we don't bend over and allow Spurs and Benteke to smash our back doors in this summer, then next year clubs, agents and players will think twice about trying it on again.
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Weird how Crouch never filled out. He never seemed to grow into his body. As a result of his gangliness he used to give away shed loads of free kicks. Imbrahimovic on the other hand is a brute.
Helenius needs to try and follow Imbrahimovic's lead as crouch with some muscle would have been a great player.
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Looking at the comments of his agent on twitter, there is no chance of him doing what Benteke has if he has an amazing season.
Any chance you can post them here? I cant seem to find any
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I don't think that Helenius is going to be as good as Benteke, but I do think he'll be showing up in a fair few of those 'bargain of the season' lists that journalists do around March.
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I'm going to stick my neck on the line and say I think The Gladiator will turn out to be a very very good player for us.
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If you look at the Flo comparisons, Tore played something like 160 games for Chelsea, but came off the bench for 60 or so of those. His goal record was pretty decent as such, given how much he played. I think if Helenius has anything like the same sort of impact, assuming he'll be used a fair bit as an impact player then we'll have ourselves a bargain.
10-15 goals this season from the big Dane and we'll be able to tick off another great piece of business from Lambo.
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I can see the comparisons to Crouch because of his shape and size, I was always a big fan of Crouchy because I thought he was more than a beanpole who headed a few goals
Crouch had a good first touch, but was not blessed with speed, and I never saw him going around players in the box taking them on and dribbling the ball past them like that you tube video of Helenius
I reckon he has far more skill and technique than Crouch, and like I say I was a big fan of his,
I realise you tube vids will only show the best bits, but even so you cant make it up when he is going round players with ease and showing close control of the ball, even in whatever league he was playing in
I've got high hopes for this fella, I hope he becomes more than just an impact player,
but whatever happens if he plays well and starts getting among the goals Lambert will play him, he doesn't stand with any preconceived ideas, or bothers about how much a player cost, if you are worth your place judging on performance, you will play
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I can see the comparisons to Crouch because of his shape and size, I was always a big fan of Crouchy because I thought he was more than a beanpole who headed a few goals
Crouch had a good first touch, but was not blessed with speed, and I never saw him going around players in the box taking them on and dribbling the ball past them like that you tube video of Helenius
I reckon he has far more skill and technique than Crouch, and like I say I was a big fan of his,
I realise you tube vids will only show the best bits, but even so you cant make it up when he is going round players with ease and showing close control of the ball, even in whatever league he was playing in
I've got high hopes for this fella, I hope he becomes more than just an impact player,
but whatever happens if he plays well and starts getting among the goals Lambert will play him, he doesn't stand with any preconceived ideas, or bothers about how much a player cost, if you are worth your place judging on performance, you will play
The thing about youtube is important, so long as you know what to look for in the videos they can be important. For example don't get drawn in by someone firing in a 30yard screamer, anyone who plays regularly can hit one of those, it means little. But good first touch under pressure and good movement are universal skills that translate well to anywhere. The videos of Helenius show both of those and have a genuine wonder goal that's all about technique rather than hit and hope, the bergkamp-esque one that a few have mentioned is superb.
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Helenius has a turn of pace for a big fella too. He wouldn't catch Benteke in a race granted, but he's still quick.
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I'm going to stick my neck on the line and say I think The Gladiator will turn out to be a very very good player for us.
With what we've seen from Lambert signings, I'm not sure it's sticking your neck out.
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I can see the comparisons to Crouch because of his shape and size, I was always a big fan of Crouchy because I thought he was more than a beanpole who headed a few goals
Crouch had a good first touch, but was not blessed with speed, and I never saw him going around players in the box taking them on and dribbling the ball past them like that you tube video of Helenius
I reckon he has far more skill and technique than Crouch, and like I say I was a big fan of his,
I realise you tube vids will only show the best bits, but even so you cant make it up when he is going round players with ease and showing close control of the ball, even in whatever league he was playing in
I've got high hopes for this fella, I hope he becomes more than just an impact player,
but whatever happens if he plays well and starts getting among the goals Lambert will play him, he doesn't stand with any preconceived ideas, or bothers about how much a player cost, if you are worth your place judging on performance, you will play
The thing about youtube is important, so long as you know what to look for in the videos they can be important. For example don't get drawn in by someone firing in a 30yard screamer, anyone who plays regularly can hit one of those, it means little. But good first touch under pressure and good movement are universal skills that translate well to anywhere. The videos of Helenius show both of those and have a genuine wonder goal that's all about technique rather than hit and hope, the bergkamp-esque one that a few have mentioned is superb.
yep agree entirely with that, its sort of what I wanted to say but you put it far better
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I'm going to place a bet that he'll score 15 or more goals ... in the league. Maybe incredibly stupid (I'll only whack on a Pavarotti), but I want it covered. It will also mean I won't be as disappointed if alien ears leaves. Win win for my mood then (until he gets 14).
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Probably a fair bet because what you're actually betting on is how much he plays. he's got the technique and confidence to do well in the premier league, I think he'll get double figures if he plays as much as I expect.
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I hope he is a great success and I am sure Nicklas backs himself to do the business, but lets not heap too much pressure on the lad.
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It's not really about pressure for me because if he plays enough games to score double figures then it's a sign that Lambert thinks he's ready, if he doesn't then clearly he's not quite ready. My opinion is if he's considered ready to play by the coaches I think he'll do a good job and I think that because what i see as his strong points are things that will translate well to the league, it's whether his overall game does that I can't say.
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Anyone think that Lambert may be thinking of playing Helenius either out wide or behind the striker? He seems to be more of a dribbler/passer than your typical target man type so it could suit him. Possibly not quick enough to play out wide in the PL but he's been compared to Ibrahimovic which might be a bit over the top but he seems to play the number 10 role more as he's gotten older.
His chances in the team will surely be limited playing up front with CB staying so it's a possibility.
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It's not really about pressure for me because if he plays enough games to score double figures then it's a sign that Lambert thinks he's ready, if he doesn't then clearly he's not quite ready. My opinion is if he's considered ready to play by the coaches I think he'll do a good job and I think that because what i see as his strong points are things that will translate well to the league, it's whether his overall game does that I can't say.
This. Although with Benteke staying I obviously will not be placing that bet, and I'm very happy that I won't be. I'll save it for 2014/15 😉
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if we go on a cup run this year we can rotate CB and NH to see if he really is the natural successor.
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if we go on a cup run this year we can rotate CB and NH to see if he really is the natural successor.
That's a big if!
Still as a squad you do need options up front and bringing in Bent for Benteke when they were so different did affect the team. So it will be handy having another focal point of the attack if that's how we use him.
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I see helenius as primarily
- an option to develop for when benteke leaves
- back up to benteke
- an option to come on and play behind benteke if we're chasing a game
- potentially an alternative in the wide positions though we'll have to see how that develops
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Or we could play him upfront alongside CB. That would give the opposition something to think about - keep a close eye on CB as we know what he can do and, hey presto, NH is knocking them in; or Bloody hell better keep tight to this 6' 5" fella who looks useful and CB has freedom to terrorise them.
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How would we fit Gabby and Weimann in if we played them both?
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How would we fit Gabby and Weimann in if we played them both?
Albion are going to sign Weimann, so that is that problem solved.
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Gabby------Benteke--------Weimann
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Fuck it, it's not like we're going to keep a clean sheet anyway.
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Good question. As we have said often enough on here we have not rotated our players often enough to keep them fit and 100% throughout the season so resting one or the other is an option. Also I would guess that either will pick up a knock or two throughout the season so why play them if they are not 100%. It all gives PL the options which he needs to be able to take the team up the table.
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Gabby------Benteke--------Weimann
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Fuck it, it's not like we're going to keep a clean sheet anyway.
Especially when we've only got 6 players on the pitch.
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Gabby------Benteke--------Weimann
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Fuck it, it's not like we're going to keep a clean sheet anyway.
Especially when we've only got 6 players on the pitch.
Helenius is goal will probably be an issue too.
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How would we fit Gabby and Weimann in if we played them both?
Albion are going to sign Weimann, so that is that problem solved.
Or Norwich or Newcastle. Liverpool even as the new Kuyt :)
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We've signed 6 players thus far and you'd expect 2 or 3 of them not to come off. I reckon helenius was bought with the assumption that he'd have a season behind benteke and getting the odd game here and there, and coming from the bench to score the 4th in a routine win. Then with benteke off next summer Helenius will have a years experience to go on and lead the line.
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Way I see it Peter.
Great news Benteke staying as it means he won't have the pressure of being perceived as the immediate replacement which would mean the fans starting to get on his back if he didn't score in the first five games for example.
As you say we can ease him in and he can chip in with goals.
I really think this will turn out to be a great signing when compared to Cornelius to Cardiff for 7.5m.
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some nice touches from the young lad last night...can't wait to see him in real action..
UTV
The Doc
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The slide pass to Weimann for CB's goal and the flick for Grealish makes him so versatile. Like Bacuna, he's going to prove to be rather versatile.
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The slide pass to Weimann for CB's goal and the flick for Grealish makes him so versatile. Like Bacuna, he's going to prove to be rather versatile.
What are your thoughts on his versatility?
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A memory test: last summer, Aston Villa signed an attacking player called Nicklas Helenius for £1m+ and he made his debut in the 1-0 home defeat to Liverpool. Remember him?! What has happened to him? Not so much as an unused substitute, of late. Not injured, as far as we know. Is he failing to make the grade? Could he not contribute something to a team that desperately needs more attacking options, to break down defences and score more goals?
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Let's hope that "Bomb Squad II" has not been formed already
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A memory test: last summer, Aston Villa signed an attacking player called Nicklas Helenius for £1m+ and he made his debut in the 1-0 home defeat to Liverpool. Remember him?! What has happened to him? Not so much as an unused substitute, of late. Not injured, as far as we know. Is he failing to make the grade? Could he not contribute something to a team that desperately needs more attacking options, to break down defences and score more goals?
Not sure which of Helenius or Kozak is the more immobile. Helenius like others not getting a look in at the moment - Herd, Bennett, Gardner and Bowery are better off going on loan for even a month than not even making the bench.
Seems more of a 442 option than 433 I reckon but did a Bambi on ice impression the last time I saw him which may have been that Liverpool game.
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Helenius needs time, I don't think he was bought to feature straight away. One for the future.
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Perhaps he can't play again until he's been able to save up for a new pair of pants.
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I've not seen him since a brief substitute appearence against Everton. We were woeful in that second half and Everton were coasting while we had no ideas. Anyway, he came on. His first touch was a nice piece of control, a swift turn followed by a pass, which unfortunately went straight to an Everton player and there wasn't even a Villa player within 30 yards of where he'd passed the ball. For me he's looked very much like a Rabbit in headlights so far. Short on confidence and undoubtedly because he's not hit the ground running, he's probably homesick. It's always far easier as a foreign player to settle in a new country, especially at a young age, if you start with a bang.
If we do see the best out of him, it won't be for another year at least. We could do with some cup ties against lower league opponents to bed him in, but we've got to wait till Jan at least.
I'd consider loaning him out to a decent Championship club. Let him get some proper games because playing for the U21's will do nothing for him.
I'm just not sure what he's going to offer us. He's got a good touch, a little bit of vision (at least he showed it in pre-season). But physically he's not strong or quick enough. He's also used to having more time on the ball. He scored a few for Aalborg that were very Ibra-esque, but he'll never find that sort of freedom in the Premiership.
The further up the pitch you get I think the odds get longer on a cheap punt of a mill paying off. It's a lot less likely that you'll find a decent forward for 1 mill than a keeper or defender say. IMO.
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He's said himself he didn't expect to be in contention for a regular premier league game for 6 months, I just think it's a case of training him up and getting him used to the physical game.
I've liked the little glimpses I've seen from him so far, don't forget in the Spurs cup game he should've won us a penalty and had them down to 10 men.
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I'd like to see him get a bit more opportunity, it's one thing settling in but he needs some game time.
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I like what i've seen of The Gladiator. I really thought he'd be getting game time by now. He is either bopping Mrs Lambert or he is really shit in training.
For Bowery to get on the bench ahead of him, something is up.
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Has Helenius vanished since PL bollocked him half time v Spurs?
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
Your point is!!!....am i missing something. I may have been miffed if it were 17:30 and had all played in the game.
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
Your point is!!!....am i missing something. I may have been miffed if it were 17:30 and had all played in the game.
I was thinking the same unless it was just an observation.
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
Your point is!!!....am i missing something. I may have been miffed if it were 17:30 and had all played in the game.
I was thinking the same unless it was just an observation.
It's actually nice to see that Okore is laughing and joking with what's happened to him.
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
Your point is!!!....am i missing something. I may have been miffed if it were 17:30 and had all played in the game.
I was thinking the same unless it was just an observation.
It's actually nice to see that Okore is laughing and joking with what's happened to him.
I agree - I actually see this as a good thing that he's integrated given the challenge of moving country etc
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Nice to hear Helenius laughing too. It's not really working out for him so far. Was really looking forward to seeing him play this season...
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Helenius, Okore and Bowery were in the players car park laughing and joking with each other at 2.30 on Saturday.
Your point is!!!....am i missing something. I may have been miffed if it were 17:30 and had all played in the game.
I was thinking the same unless it was just an observation.
It was just an observation. The thread was asking what has happened to him - I was just saying he was at the game.
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I guess as much as anything, it's the physical side of the game.
Around the time of the Spurs cup game he was quoted over here as saying that Lambert had had him hitting the weights and he'd put on a load of muscle since he joined. About 2 weeks later he'd got the flu / trots and lost 4kgs body mass in a week. I guess if he was behind on the physical side of things to start with - the majority of defences over here are not built around the likes of Okore or Agger, something like that will really have pushed him back.
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Seem to remember him saying that he didn't expect to be involved much this season and that he was going to learn as much as possible and bide his time for the time being.
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Pack him off to Walsall for Christmas. That should make a man out of him.
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What he should do is arrange a meet with Crouchy and ask for his advice on how to cope with the rigours of the top flight.
Crouchy is his benchmark in style of play and phyiscal shape.
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So Helenius' agent has been doing the media rounds in Denmark:
The agent of Niklas Helenius has stated that he expects to speak to Aston Villa when the transfer window opens and could possible see his player make a loan move away from Villa Park.
The 22-year-old Denmark international has struggled to break into the Aston Villa team after his £1.2million move from Aalborg BK.
His agent Mads Bach Lund told Danish newspaper BT Lund: "Nicklas is at the age where he will have as much time as possible. A rental will not necessarily be a defeat for him if it comes to that.
"The most important thing is that he develops and overlooks the playing time. We are in constant dialogue with Aston Villa, and I expect that we will have a word with them again when the transfer window opens."
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-rumour-mill-niklas-6417697
I think a lot of us expected him to be another 'one for the future' signing who wasn't necessarily going to get much playing time (he himself said as much when he signed). If thats the case, I think sending him out to play in a league that plays at a reasonable standard would be better than him riding the pine at VP.
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A "rental" huh? Blockbusters has just gone kaput so that rules them out with a swoop for our Nick.
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I think he needs to be loaned out.
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A few months in the championship would do him good. Get him having a bit of a buffeting and man him up should he need to be called upon in the run in. If he can net a few goals it'll do him the world of good.
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So Helenius' agent has been doing the media rounds in Denmark:
The agent of Niklas Helenius has stated that he expects to speak to Aston Villa when the transfer window opens and could possible see his player make a loan move away from Villa Park.
The 22-year-old Denmark international has struggled to break into the Aston Villa team after his £1.2million move from Aalborg BK.
His agent Mads Bach Lund told Danish newspaper BT Lund: "Nicklas is at the age where he will have as much time as possible. A rental will not necessarily be a defeat for him if it comes to that.
"The most important thing is that he develops and overlooks the playing time. We are in constant dialogue with Aston Villa, and I expect that we will have a word with them again when the transfer window opens."
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-rumour-mill-niklas-6417697
I think a lot of us expected him to be another 'one for the future' signing who wasn't necessarily going to get much playing time (he himself said as much when he signed). If thats the case, I think sending him out to play in a league that plays at a reasonable standard would be better than him riding the pine at VP.
I think there's been a liberal use of Google translate in there, plus only half the article.
The general gist is right enough, but misses out that it's something they've already discussed and Helenius is OK with if it helps him to get up to speed. Article also mentions that he's found the step up in level harder than expected, but working hard to bridge the cap.
Closing line mentions that we're looking for another striker in Jan???
I'll try and do a full translate when I've got something other than a phone to work with.
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I was really looking forward to seeing Helenius this season,
he looked good on you-tube ( 100% proof evidence of any footballing credentials)
good first touch and trickery with his feet for a big man ( super use of classic cliché there)
anyway I was expecting great things, but looks like it was all misfounded optimism (no change there then)
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I was really looking forward to seeing Helenius this season,
he looked good on you-tube ( 100% proof evidence of any footballing credentials)
good first touch and trickery with his feet for a big man ( super use of classic cliché there)
anyway I was expecting great things, but looks like it was all misfounded optimism (no change there then)
I suspect we'll see these characterisitcs in play next season - he could become the No.10 that we're all pining for. As long as Lambert is still with us. As we've all been saying here, he needs a 6 month loan spell somewhere where he can get some pitch time, hone his skills and develop his physicality. A high-flying Championship side (Derby, Leeds or Burnley, for example) or a European top-league side would be ideal.
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I was impressed by him in pre season some lovely flicks and lay offs and I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him , especially with our strikers misfiring - a loan to a good championship club may benefit him for a month or so.
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I was impressed by him in pre season some lovely flicks and lay offs and I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him , especially with our strikers misfiring - a loan to a good championship club may benefit him for a month or so.
Worked wonders for Albrighton (although I suspect this one is less about fitness and more about adjusting to the physicality of the league).
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I was impressed by him in pre season some lovely flicks and lay offs and I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him , especially with our strikers misfiring - a loan to a good championship club may benefit him for a month or so.
Worked wonders for Albrighton (although I suspect this one is less about fitness and more about adjusting to the physicality of the league).
True and maybe confidence - banging a few goals in for someone would help .
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"Nicklas has one big wish: to return home with AaB", Mads Bach Lund (his agent) told Nordjyske.
"But he cannot wait indefinitely.
"On Monday he will take training at Aston Villa and on Tuesday AaB start a training camp.
"From our perspective, it is obvious that Nicklas should be in it and if so he must return to AaB."
The striker's agent will not be drawn into what went wrong for his client at Villa Park however, apart from claiming he is at an age where sitting on the bench is simply not an option.
"The stay at Aston Villa has not gone as we hoped.
"There are various reasons which we want to keep to ourselves. But Nicklas has reached an age where he must play and it appears he is unlikely to at Aston Villa."
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The freezing out Helenius still baffles me. Why was he not even given a chance to fail? All the other new recruits were.
Was he really that crap in training? What the hell are these "various reasons" his agent is warbling about?
Some really odd shit goes on behind the scenes at VP I think.
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
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Has anyone actually thought Helenius may have an attitude problem? Something you can't always suss out before you buy.
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Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it. He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle. That's unfortunately what you get when you pay peanuts sometimes. Did he get a fair crack of the whip? Probably not, but Lambert will have his reasons for that. Perhaps Lambert saw enough by August to realise it would take time for Niklas, and then went ahead with the Kozak deal.
However stories about Helenius struggling to settle were circulating pretty early on last season and continued. His agents not particularly done him many favours. I recall one of his ex coaches being asked to give his opinion on Niklas and how he'd settle. The guy said that for a big man he's not good in the air and he needed to improve his strength at this level, and also IIRC, that he'd have to quicken his decision making on the ball.
Now it might be that in another 6months to a year, he might turn it around but if he's not willing to wait and bide his time, then good luck to him. He can go back to anonymity in Denmark.
It wasn't to be. This experiment failed. Goodbye, good luck, not good enough. He clearly doesn't have enough aggression or quite the arrogance to make it in this league, whereas conversely, arrogance has taken Bentdner quite far.
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The truth of the matter is that we will probably never know.
There was no statement, official or otherwise about MON's departure. Sure, most people have formed their own opinions based on available evidence.
Ditto who was resposible for signing Steven Ireland.
Ditto the Wage Cap.
Ditto The Bomb Squad.
Ditto the Karsa/Culverhouse fiasco.
I am not saying that the club should have to make statements on these matters, or that other clubs would; just that we may never know the truth.
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I think this also means that unless Bent is brought back into genuine contention, we'll be shopping for a striker. I would also say the rise of Robinson also says a lot about Helenius and indeed Bowery being let go. With a good season, Robinson might have an important part to play next term.
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Should've been given more of a chance it's fair to say. Baffling that after scoring against Sheffield I don't think he played another minute of the season.
The frustrating thing is from his brief cameos he looked a forward that was a bit different to all our others e.g. not someone with pace who runs up blind alleys or a 6ft + lump, he looked like he could drop deeper and link with midfield so a player who could've been developed further.
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Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it. He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle.
How do you know that?
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Would have liked to have seen more of him, but if he couldn't shift Bowery from the bench, then I wonder if he is much cop anyway.
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Exactly. I don't trust the judgment of a person who thought bringing Grant Holt in was a good move.
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1.Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it.
2.He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle. That's unfortunately what you get when u pay peanuts sometimes. Did he get a fair crack of the whip? Probably not, but Lambert will have his reasons for that.
3.Perhaps Lambert saw enough by August to realise it would take time for Niklas, and then went ahead with the Kozak deal.
However stories about Helenius struggling to settle were circulating pretty early on last season and continued.
4.His agents not particularly done him many favours. I recall one of his ex coaches being asked to give his opinion on Niklas and how he'd settle. The guy said that for a big man he's not good in the air and he needed to improve his strength at this level, and also IIRC, that he'd have to quicken his decision making on the ball.
5.Now it might be that in another 6months to a year, he might turn it around but if he's not willing to wait and bide his time, then good luck to him. He can go back to anonymity in Denmark.
6.It wasn't to be. This experiment failed. Goodbye, good luck, not good enough. He clearly doesn't have enough aggression or quite the arrogance to make it in this league, whereas conversely, arrogance has taken Bentdner quite far.
Fucking Hell Tom, there's a royal boat load of supposition and pre judgement in that.
1.Lack of gumption? How do you know?
2. Lack of aggression? Again not seen enough of him to know. When he was getting debagged against Spurs he didn't exactly lie down and die.
He wasn't afraid to put himself about for Aalborg the year before we bought him. (his first season in their first team.)
3. My recollection was that Kodak was someone Lambert had been watching for a while and did the deal, because he was available and supposedly had no bearing on other transfers.
4. I'm not sure if the bit about his agent and a former coach are supposed to go together. Regardless it sounds like the usual trap of thinking as soon as someone's over 6 feet tall, they must be Mark Hatley reborn.
I'll give you that his agent can be a bit of a gobshite, but nothing compared to Benteke's.
5 Has he said he wants out? I've only heard him say that at his age it's important to be playing games.
You can't complain about our youngsters being stifled due to lack of first team football and then have a go because someone a little but older,but still younger than Gardner, says that that's exactly what he needs.
6. Not good enough. Again how can we judge.
We simple don't know what has and hasn't been going on at Bodymoor, other than Culverhouse and Karsa were so far out of order that they were sacked, and so far no word of an appeal and or compo. Almost unheard of in football today, so how bad must their behaviour / actions have been?
For what it's worth, his agent gave an interview at the start of June, which I've only just looked up when this thread resurfaced.
His agent says that he's been told that he can find a new club if he wants, but that Aalborg can't afford to take him back.
He also says that it's not only footballing reasons that it's gone wrong. Another "victim" of the gruesome twosome? If it was bullying they were sacked for, I would guess that someone like Helenius would be a likely candidate.
Young and first time in a foreign environment, then add in quietly spoken, polite and reasonably well educated, and a playing style which doesn't fit in with height presumptions. Ideal target?
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The only thing I can remember him doing is losing his shorts v spurzzz
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Exactly. I don't trust the judgment of a person who thought bringing Grant Holt in was a good move.
That's a bit over the top isn't it? He may not have turned us into Barca but he didn't make us any worse. As people said at the time, the chances are he was appointed as a cheer leader for Lambert as much as a player and we stayed up, which some what validates the loan signing.
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Exactly. I don't trust the judgment of a person who thought bringing Grant Holt in was a good move.
That's a bit over the top isn't it? He may not have turned us into Barca but he didn't make us any worse. As people said at the time, the chances are he was appointed as a cheer leader for Lambert as much as a player and we stayed up, which some what validates the loan signing.
A view with even more credibility after what we've subsequently learned about Culverhouse and Karsa.
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1.Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it.
2.He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle. That's unfortunately what you get when u pay peanuts sometimes. Did he get a fair crack of the whip? Probably not, but Lambert will have his reasons for that.
3.Perhaps Lambert saw enough by August to realise it would take time for Niklas, and then went ahead with the Kozak deal.
However stories about Helenius struggling to settle were circulating pretty early on last season and continued.
4.His agents not particularly done him many favours. I recall one of his ex coaches being asked to give his opinion on Niklas and how he'd settle. The guy said that for a big man he's not good in the air and he needed to improve his strength at this level, and also IIRC, that he'd have to quicken his decision making on the ball.
5.Now it might be that in another 6months to a year, he might turn it around but if he's not willing to wait and bide his time, then good luck to him. He can go back to anonymity in Denmark.
6.It wasn't to be. This experiment failed. Goodbye, good luck, not good enough. He clearly doesn't have enough aggression or quite the arrogance to make it in this league, whereas conversely, arrogance has taken Bentdner quite far.
Fucking Hell Tom, there's a royal boat load of supposition and pre judgement in that.
1.Lack of gumption? How do you know?
2. Lack of aggression? Again not seen enough of him to know. When he was getting debagged against Spurs he didn't exactly lie down and die.
He wasn't afraid to put himself about for Aalborg the year before we bought him. (his first season in their first team.)
3. My recollection was that Kodak was someone Lambert had been watching for a while and did the deal, because he was available and supposedly had no bearing on other transfers.
4. I'm not sure if the bit about his agent and a former coach are supposed to go together. Regardless it sounds like the usual trap of thinking as soon as someone's over 6 feet tall, they must be Mark Hatley reborn.
I'll give you that his agent can be a bit of a gobshite, but nothing compared to Benteke's.
5 Has he said he wants out? I've only heard him say that at his age it's important to be playing games.
You can't complain about our youngsters being stifled due to lack of first team football and then have a go because someone a little but older,but still younger than Gardner, says that that's exactly what he needs.
6. Not good enough. Again how can we judge.
We simple don't know what has and hasn't been going on at Bodymoor, other than Culverhouse and Karsa were so far out of order that they were sacked, and so far no word of an appeal and or compo. Almost unheard of in football today, so how bad must their behaviour / actions have been?
For what it's worth, his agent gave an interview at the start of June, which I've only just looked up when this thread resurfaced.
His agent says that he's been told that he can find a new club if he wants, but that Aalborg can't afford to take him back.
He also says that it's not only footballing reasons that it's gone wrong. Another "victim" of the gruesome twosome? If it was bullying they were sacked for, I would guess that someone like Helenius would be a likely candidate.
Young and first time in a foreign environment, then add in quietly spoken, polite and reasonably well educated, and a playing style which doesn't fit in with height presumptions. Ideal target?
I think the trouble is that we've heard 3-4 times from his agent over the course of last season and each time he said Helenius was struggling to settle. Even pretty early on in the season Lambert came out and said it was taking Helenius (and I believe he mentioned Tonev too) a while to settle here. Whether that meant culturally, or in terms of training or both.
Again, I've no doubt the boys got talent, but unless he, and we are willing to play the long game, he may just not be good enough for the Prem.
Granted if you're 6ft you don't have to be Mark Hately, but if you're 6ft plus for Villa at the moment, you do have to be. Not Nics fault, but that's just the way it goes. That's why Bowery was still ahead in the pecking order and why Holt came in. It's also hard for beanpole strikers who aren't brilliant in the air or physically, to have an impact in the Prem. It took Crouch a while to really become an effective player at this level.
I'm only guessing regarding gumption but I base that on what we've heard from his agent and Lambert, and indeed by the fact he's been well down the pecking order all season.
In defense of Helenius though I'll say that sometimes it's hard to know how a player will cope till you throw them in. Likewise, after he scored against Sheff Utd, he probably warranted a few more appearances in the games following but he hasn't appeared since.
Still he's only had 3 appearences in the Premiership. I'm no fan of Lambert by any means but I'm certainly not going to put that down to Lambert fucking up for example. He's obviously had his reasons. Entirely fair, possibly not, but justified? Probably. The Gladiator was clearly a long way from being ready. If it's not an ability issue, which I don't think it is, it has to be a mental, attitude or physical issue.
Strike him up in the Berson column unfortunately. Like Berson I really wanted him to succeed and he showed very brief glimpses of being a potentially useful player. Ironically perhaps if Helenius had been a bit more of an arrogant, self important toss piece like Bendtner, he might have had more impact.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Exactly. I don't trust the judgment of a person who thought bringing Grant Holt in was a good move.
That's a bit over the top isn't it? He may not have turned us into Barca but he didn't make us any worse. As people said at the time, the chances are he was appointed as a cheer leader for Lambert as much as a player and we stayed up, which some what validates the loan signing.
I dunno. The Grant Holt signing really annoyed me and it still does if I'm honest. Bringing him to Aston Villa at that stage of his career was embarrassing.
Anyway, Helenius deserves a chance. No idea what's gone on there, assume it's Lambert making another stupid decision.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I guess we'll never know. I would imagine Robinson and Grealish also earned their places and caught Lamberts eye, be it on loan or in the 2nd string.
The thing is, and only those who regularly went to see the reserve side will know for sure, but you hardly ever heard of Helenius standing out in a game for the U-21's. Robinson on the other was making waves most of the season.
Whether Helenius goes on to be successful back in Europe and for his national side, like a certain Mr Balaban, remains to be seen.
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As a back up striker or maybe starter in the early cup games he may still have something, so I am happy to keep him around for now, certainly prefer him than Holt.
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It doesn't baffle me. We've got a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Exactly. I don't trust the judgment of a person who thought bringing Grant Holt in was a good move.
Just remind yourself of the Bradford game. He made Mike Bassett look like some visionary from the future.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I guess we'll never know. I would imagine Robinson and Grealish also earned their places and caught Lamberts eye, be it on loan or in the 2nd string.
The thing is, and only those who regularly went to see the reserve side will know for sure, but you hardly ever heard of Helenius standing out in a game for the U-21's. Robinson on the other was making waves most of the season.
Whether Helenius goes on to be successful back in Europe and for his national side, like a certain Mr Balaban, remains to be seen.
I don't think he played in many, just a couple of short sub appearances from what I remember reading.
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It was a complete waste of time and money again by the looks of it
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It was a complete waste of time and money again by the looks of it
Thankfully not very much though which is the idea with these 'gamble' type signings.
I'm convinced if we were splurging more cash on bigger transfers - which we should be doing - that these 1m signings would not register. As we're signing so few recognised players we over watch the Youtube footage and expect that form to be replicated in the Prem ignoring the fact that at the prices we're paying the likelihood of them being good enough is v slim.
It'll be even harder for any such signing this season as I think Lambert has exhausted the good will which he had last summer (from a strong finish to the previous season). Any bargain buys this summer will be derided as they're deemed to be part of a failed strategy. The point being that we should have always had a more balanced transfer strategy.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
There were the rumours that he stormed off and drove home during one training session having been nut-megged.
However I've no idea how anyone would get this information.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
There were the rumours that he stormed off and drove home during one training session having been nut-megged.
However I've no idea how anyone would get this information.
I remember that rumour last season, but even if that is not true I'm fairly sure a manager who has actually purchased a player himself and not inherited them there must be a very good reason not to even consider them. My guess must be something to do with effort and application during training and not so much ability.
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Some players just don't train well I guess. Sometimes you just don't know if a player will make it unless you chuck them in, but of course if they're not standing out in training, then it's kind of Catch-22. It's like the famous story of Ibrahimavich's failed a trial at QPR. In his book his response was simple. "Zlatan doesn't do auditions!"
I wonder if Helenius just didn't really impose himself enough in training. It may not have been purely effort.
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Point is we don't know. lambert knows that his head is very much on the block, so if a decision has been made on a potentially great player that sees him leave Villa Park, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't based on sound foundations. It's more likely that for some reason there is no future seemingly for him at Villa Park. Lambert and his staff call it which is fair enough. Despite how baffled we may be.
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Point is we don't know. lambert knows that his head is very much on the block, so if a decision has been made on a potentially great player that sees him leave Villa Park, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't based on sound foundations. It's more likely that for some reason there is no future seemingly for him at Villa Park. Lambert and his staff call it which is fair enough. Despite how baffled we may be.
Maks me ANGRY! Just another reason Lamberk is a clown and how far down our gr8 club has exploded. Sad state of affairs. I just can't understand. The club should release a statement. We can't even compete. 8)
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
Must be. Still that is a pretty bad attitude to get a new player frozen out like this.
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i have been told by staff at the club he is a bad influence in the dressing room, poor attitude etc...
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
Must be. Still that is a pretty bad attitude to get a new player frozen out like this.
You mean bad attitude from the player, right? Otherwise it's as if you're searching for something to moan about without having a clue about any of the facts.
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Even the "unsettled" stuff does not explain why on earth he was not played for the last couple of games. We then knew we were safe, so why not play the lad? Instead we played Holt and Bowery who we were selling in a couple of weeks.
He didn't even make the bench ahead of Grealish & Robinson.
I just don't get it.
I would only guess it was something to with attitude. We saw from Bowery that what he didn't have in ability he tried his hardest. Maybe that was the case on the training ground.
Must be. Still that is a pretty bad attitude to get a new player frozen out like this.
You mean bad attitude from the player, right? Otherwise it's as if you're searching for something to moan about without having a clue about any of the facts.
Yes I was referring to the player. Although now you mention it the back room attitudes and culture in general seems to have been very weird indeed the past year. Hopefully it gets better asap.
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Official site has confirmed Nicklas has returned to Aalborg on a season long loan.
This means we're short of a Nicklas. Anyone hear of any Nicklas's available on free transfers? Perhaps one who look dapper in pink boots might be good.
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The real / fake / bizarre Fabian Delph Facebook account has just said, "More good news coming your way, keep an eye out."
If the first good news really was Faulkner's departure, then it's more than plausible this is referring to Bendtner.
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The real / fake / bizarre Fabian Delph Facebook account has just said, "More good news coming your way, keep an eye out."
If the first good news really was Faulkner's departure, then it's more than plausible this is referring to Bendtner.
Us signing Bendtner would be very good news...for every other professional club on the planet. ;)
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Helenius - we may as well fast forward and stick him in the players you forgot played for us thread.
Bendtner - he likes to have his weekly wage as his shirt number so if we sign him at least we will all know where we stand regarding wages.
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Helenius - we may as well fast forward and stick him in the players you forgot played for us thread.
Bendtner - he likes to have his weekly wage as his shirt number so if we sign him at least we will all know where we stand regarding wages.
Albrightons 12 shirt is vacant now. I could live with that...just about.
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Helenius - we may as well fast forward and stick him in the players you forgot played for us thread.
Bendtner - he likes to have his weekly wage as his shirt number so if we sign him at least we will all know where we stand regarding wages.
Albrightons 12 shirt is vacant now. I could live with that...just about.
Now if we could Alan Hutton off the books...
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Suffering from depression apparently.
http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Fodbold/2014/09/25/0925151900.htm
I don't read/speak the language but think it's obvious what it's saying.
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http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://www.tv3sport.dk/fodbold/nyheder/depression-og-dodsangst-plagede-helenius-villa/
In English.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-nicklas-helenius-feared-7833927
An illness left him addicted to sleeping pills last season.
What with that and the still secret events with the coaches and with Chris Herd plus the injuries to Kozak and Benteke, it's no wonder Randy referred to endless dramas in his 'for sale' statement.
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Bloody hell, plenty of sympathy for the guy now.
Certainly explains his absence when we were struggling for goals! Wish him well - I bet he is reluctant to come back.
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Bloody hell. Well that explains why we didn't see him. I always felt it was strange we saw nothing of him after his debut goal. Hope he gets better. He'll have one more year here to try and make it, so who knows. He's one that seemed to have some ability.
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Poor guy, good luck to him on the recovery.
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It's a sad story and largely explains why he never got a look in. His head wasn't right and it would have come across in the day to day interaction with the squad. Hopefully a year at home will help him and also get his confidence back.
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Oh dear, poor fella. Good luck to him, I hope he comes back to us one day and he can prove to be another good signing.
Some of our players over the last few seasons have had terrible luck with injuries and illnesses. It's a bloody nightmare.
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I suppose that's why we kept seeing Bowery being used.
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F**k me!
Sounds like he went through a really horrible time.
Thought he showed a lot of promise...the idea that he looked a bit weak and weedy makes an awful lot of sense after reading that article!
Best of wishes to him and his aims to be happy with his girlfriend and kids and for the rest of his career.
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Well that explains a lot
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My best wishes to him for a speedy recovery.
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I hope that is not what all the others have got.
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After that you have to hope he has a good year and comes back and gives it a proper go next season, that's a pretty horrible outcome after what would've been a dream come true move.
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Now it makes sense. Good luck to him in his recovery and fairplay to Lambert & the club for their silence around the player. Now I understand why.
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Goes to show that us fans very rarely know everything that's going on behind the scenes no matter how much we like to think we do ... and in todays 24/7 media and social media society where everyone can be a journo its amazing how clubs still manage to keep things in house and not on the front and back pages
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Get well soon Nicklas!
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Best wishes to him.....hope he could return as I think that there is a player in there
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-nicklas-helenius-feared-7833927
An illness left him addicted to sleeping pills last season.
What with that and the still secret events with the coaches and with Chris Herd plus the injuries to Kozak and Benteke, it's no wonder Randy referred to endless dramas in his 'for sale' statement.
This is why it's annoying when people jump to assumptions, and start rumours, with what's going on with players without any facts
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Good luck with the recovery Nicklas and hopefully we can see him back at Villa when he is better, showing the potential we all know he has.
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Would love to see him come back healthy and motivated to show us what he can really do.
Talk about bad luck for Lambert with Kozak & Benteke injured and Helenius unavailable. Perhaps starts to put such a shit season into perspective and maybe will teach us all not to shoot from the hip so much?
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Would love to see him come back healthy and motivated to show us what he can really do.
Talk about bad luck for Lambert with Kozak & Benteke injured and Helenius unavailable. Perhaps starts to put such a shit season into perspective and maybe will teach us all not to shoot from the hip so much?
Agreed, surely we must be due a bit of fortune to go our way.
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Would love to see him come back healthy and motivated to show us what he can really do.
Talk about bad luck for Lambert with Kozak & Benteke injured and Helenius unavailable. Perhaps starts to put such a shit season into perspective and maybe will teach us all not to shoot from the hip so much?
Agreed but it won't stop us
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Good luck Nicklas, speedy recovery.
UTV
The Doc
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Hope he gets recovered fully.
I think there is definitely a decent player in there. Hardly got a chance, and still managed to score.
One thing I don't understand, though, his agent tweeted at the end of last season that Villa had told him there was no future for him at the club (or "he is not in their plans" or similar). Seems strange.
There is surely no way the club can not have known what was wrong with him, so it seems strange to cut him loose on the back of that.
I hope he gets another chance - if he wants it.
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Given the circumstances, his agent would hardly tweet the truth.
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He seemed to have the ability, so I half believed the rumours that were going round about his attitude letting him down. Hope he makes a full recovery. It would be great to see him getting another chance, and having a proper crack at making it here, but his health is the main thing.
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I suppose all clubs have their share of players with private demons but we don't half seem to get a lot. I wish him every success in life.
That is that mystery solved, now the biggie.
What is the real reason Alan Hutton never got to play?
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that Brian will go down with Why Barry didnt take the penalty as one of those unknown unknowns
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Somebody knows but they just ain't telling.
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Maybe Hutton knew why Barry didn't take the penalty.
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The thing about the ha-ha got you story with Barry though, is that it wasn't a mystery at all. In fact it glosses over a quiet snideyness about Arsenal.
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Ok, I've been posting here for a couple of years now and I still don't have a clue what this Barry penalty running joke is about. For the love of god someone tell me, its driving me nuts.
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Ok, I've been posting here for a couple of years now and I still don't have a clue what this Barry penalty running joke is about. For the love of god someone tell me, its driving me nuts.
He was off the pitch ;-)
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Ok, I've been posting here for a couple of years now and I still don't have a clue what this Barry penalty running joke is about. For the love of god someone tell me, its driving me nuts.
I'm exactly the same dekko, which game was it?
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It replaced the long running can he play right back joke.
Barry got nobbled by Fabregas and Young, taker of shit penalties, missed. Mattered not loike as Gabby got a second after the break and we won.
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Thanks, I can feel like one of the cool kids again.
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It replaced the long running can he play right back joke.
And has been superceded by "What was the Parma attendance?"
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Can he bring less to the table than Benty at the moment?
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Can he bring less to the table than Benty at the moment?
I doubt it, and Bent looks like he'd eat whatever Nicklas bought.
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Looks like Nicklas has found the back of the net with a goal in Europa League with praise from Kent Nielsen
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2015/matches/round=2000587/match=2014474/postmatch/report/
Well done matey