Ellis and Charidee

[atticus snood]

What's all this got to do with a hefty donation to charity though?

Because atticus snood asked how history would view him and were we too hard on him? Were we fuck, the old fecker got off light.

Well lets just be grateful for where we are now.

Indeed. Thank fuck Ellis didn't think the manager of Shrewsbury was good enough for a club that had just won the European Cup and that we weren't relegated within 5 years of winning it.

Ah... but we came straight back up. Will we do that next time?

When it comes to making excuses, "He might have taken us from  European champions to division two but at least we came straight back up" has to be amongst the best.

Okay... what about kept us in the Premier League... won x2 league cups... Maintained the stadium as one of the best in the country... kept us debt free... played some great football?

[Dave Cooper please]

Big fucking deal, it's a drop in the ocean to him after all the money he's made out of the Villa down the years.

A fucking damn sight more than most of the multi-millionaire players we have had over the years have bothered to donate.

You can't know that though, not everyone is as publicity hungry as Doug.

But does it matter. So Uncle Doug boasts about giving cash to charity, at least the charity is getting the cash. And maybe by giving said charity some publicity they might just get a few more donations?
I don't get the hatred some of you have for Ellis, there are far more worthy targets for my ire than a bloke who just didn't spend as much as I'd have liked on the football club I support.

On a thread about Doug Ellis it's probably likely that we're going to give our opinions on Doug Ellis, rather than say the bloke who allegedly burnt his house down with all his kids inside. You aren't obliged to read it.

Eh?
I can't see where I have said you can't have an opinion. Have you actually read my post or are you just on the blob or something?

[saunders_heroes]

What's all this got to do with a hefty donation to charity though?

Because atticus snood asked how history would view him and were we too hard on him? Were we fuck, the old fecker got off light.

Well lets just be grateful for where we are now.

Indeed. Thank fuck Ellis didn't think the manager of Shrewsbury was good enough for a club that had just won the European Cup and that we weren't relegated within 5 years of winning it.

Ah... but we came straight back up. Will we do that next time?

When it comes to making excuses, "He might have taken us from  European champions to division two but at least we came straight back up" has to be amongst the best.

It's not like we sank without trace though. We went down, yes, but we were back in one season and we've been here ever since. Yes he was to blame for taking us down but he's also responsible for keeping us in the top flight for our longest period in decades.
You obviously don't need me to tell you this though.

[PeterWithesShin]

By my reckoning we've been relegated 5 times in our history. Two of them where when Doug was around.

And thank McGrath he maintained the ground so well, it's not like anyone missed the AV floodlights or Trinity Road stand. And thankfully he did Witton Lane so well he named it after himself. It's not like they had problems after it was built.

[dave.woodhall]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

[atticus snood]

What's all this got to do with a hefty donation to charity though?

Because atticus snood asked how history would view him and were we too hard on him? Were we fuck, the old fecker got off light.

Well lets just be grateful for where we are now.

Indeed. Thank fuck Ellis didn't think the manager of Shrewsbury was good enough for a club that had just won the European Cup and that we weren't relegated within 5 years of winning it.

Ah... but we came straight back up. Will we do that next time?

When it comes to making excuses, "He might have taken us from  European champions to division two but at least we came straight back up" has to be amongst the best.

It's not like we sank without trace though. We went down, yes, but we were back in one season and we've been here ever since. Yes he was to blame for taking us down but he's also responsible for keeping us in the top flight for our longest period in decades.
You obviously don't need me to tell you this though.

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

[PeterWithesShin]

And he tried to flog Gary Shaw to Barcelona behind the managers back. Allegedly.

[saunders_heroes]

By my reckoning we've been relegated 5 times in our history. Two of them where when Doug was around.

And thank McGrath he maintained the ground so well, it's not like anyone missed the AV floodlights or Trinity Road stand. And thankfully he did Witton Lane so well he named it after himself. It's not like they had problems after it was built.

The new Holte End is nice though, and the new Witton Lane stand is better than the old.

[dave.woodhall]

What's all this got to do with a hefty donation to charity though?

Because atticus snood asked how history would view him and were we too hard on him? Were we fuck, the old fecker got off light.

Well lets just be grateful for where we are now.

Indeed. Thank fuck Ellis didn't think the manager of Shrewsbury was good enough for a club that had just won the European Cup and that we weren't relegated within 5 years of winning it.

Ah... but we came straight back up. Will we do that next time?

When it comes to making excuses, "He might have taken us from  European champions to division two but at least we came straight back up" has to be amongst the best.

It's not like we sank without trace though. We went down, yes, but we were back in one season and we've been here ever since. Yes he was to blame for taking us down but he's also responsible for keeping us in the top flight for our longest period in decades.
You obviously don't need me to tell you this though.

He took us closer to going down again than Randy has, and according to you he's the devil incarnate.

[atticus snood]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

Well thank God Randy came along... that's all I can say.

[PeterWithesShin]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

Is 3 years perennial? Football was as bad under Ellis. We didn't have a pot to piss in under Ellis at times. 8K at home to Southampton in the league, who was in charge? We signed one loan player, do you need to be reminded of some our fantastic signings under Doug?

Other than that, great post.

[dave.woodhall]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

As opposed to perennial relegation strugglers...atrocious football...whatever that vulgarism might mean...less than 10,000 regularly...you're right about no bargain loan players in the transfer window though. Back then we couldn't afford Eirik Bakke.

[saunders_heroes]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

I've heard the Saunders/Ellis stuff for years, but yet when Ron came out of exile a few years ago I heard him being interviewed on Radio 5 and he categorically said that his departure from Villa had absolutely nothing to do with Doug Ellis. What's the story you know then?

[dave.woodhall]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

I've heard the Saunders/Ellis stuff for years, but yet when Ron came out of exile a few years ago I heard him being interviewed on Radio 5 and he categorically said that his departure from Villa had absolutely nothing to do with Doug Ellis. What's the story you know then?

Of course his going was nothing to do with Ellis. Had Ellis won the EGM in 1979 he would have been off the day after.

[saunders_heroes]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

Is 3 years perennial? Football was as bad under Ellis. We didn't have a pot to piss in under Ellis at times. 8K at home to Southampton in the league, who was in charge? We signed one loan player, do you need to be reminded of some our fantastic signings under Doug?

Other than that, great post.

But with Doug gone weren't the dark days supposed to be behind us?