Ellis and Charidee

[atticus snood]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

As opposed to perennial relegation strugglers...atrocious football...whatever that vulgarism might mean...less than 10,000 regularly...you're right about no bargain loan players in the transfer window though. Back then we couldn't afford Eirik Bakke.

You are joking... aren't you? And I thought you were a journalist... you don't know what atrocious means?

[saunders_heroes]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

I've heard the Saunders/Ellis stuff for years, but yet when Ron came out of exile a few years ago I heard him being interviewed on Radio 5 and he categorically said that his departure from Villa had absolutely nothing to do with Doug Ellis. What's the story you know then?

Of course his going was nothing to do with Ellis. Had Ellis won the EGM in 1979 he would have been off the day after.

Ahh, so Ron was being economical with the truth then!

[dave.woodhall]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

As opposed to perennial relegation strugglers...atrocious football...whatever that vulgarism might mean...less than 10,000 regularly...you're right about no bargain loan players in the transfer window though. Back then we couldn't afford Eirik Bakke.

You are joking... aren't you? And I thought you were a journalist... you don't know what atrocious means?

You obviously don't, but then again there appear to be a few words you don't know the meaning of. Do you intend to comment on my lengthy post earlier, or has that been conveniently forgotten?

[PeterWithesShin]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that if Doug had won then Ron would have been off.

[dave.woodhall]

Took us to division three, took us to division two, failed to capitalise on every advantage the club had, took millions out for himself, played some fucking awful football, rebuilt the stadium so cheaply the council told him to go away and do a better job. But he won the League Cup so that's alright. Remind me what he wanted to do with the manager who won us the league.

I've heard the Saunders/Ellis stuff for years, but yet when Ron came out of exile a few years ago I heard him being interviewed on Radio 5 and he categorically said that his departure from Villa had absolutely nothing to do with Doug Ellis. What's the story you know then?

Of course his going was nothing to do with Ellis. Had Ellis won the EGM in 1979 he would have been off the day after.

Ahh, so Ron was being economical with the truth then!

No, he was off in 1979 had Doug won.

[atticus snood]

And look at us now... perennial relegation strugglers... atrocious football... no pot to piss in... dwindling gates... Bargain basement loan players in the transfer window.

As opposed to perennial relegation strugglers...atrocious football...whatever that vulgarism might mean...less than 10,000 regularly...you're right about no bargain loan players in the transfer window though. Back then we couldn't afford Eirik Bakke.

You are joking... aren't you? And I thought you were a journalist... you don't know what atrocious means?

You obviously don't, but then again there appear to be a few words you don't know the meaning of. Do you intend to comment on my lengthy post earlier, or has that been conveniently forgotten?
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Ok. Silly time has arrived. Off to bed. Expect to be banned by Lord Dave by morning.

[dave.woodhall]

Oh good, another "I'm disagreeing with you so I'm going to be banned" post. Your wish is my command.

[saunders_heroes]

What's all this got to do with a hefty donation to charity though?

Because atticus snood asked how history would view him and were we too hard on him? Were we fuck, the old fecker got off light.

Well lets just be grateful for where we are now.

Indeed. Thank fuck Ellis didn't think the manager of Shrewsbury was good enough for a club that had just won the European Cup and that we weren't relegated within 5 years of winning it.

Ah... but we came straight back up. Will we do that next time?

When it comes to making excuses, "He might have taken us from  European champions to division two but at least we came straight back up" has to be amongst the best.

It's not like we sank without trace though. We went down, yes, but we were back in one season and we've been here ever since. Yes he was to blame for taking us down but he's also responsible for keeping us in the top flight for our longest period in decades.
You obviously don't need me to tell you this though.

He took us closer to going down again than Randy has, and according to you he's the devil incarnate.

Probably because I could see how bad this team was right from the off! Do you really think a life long Villa fan like me enjoys criticising the club as much as I've done this last 18 months?

[PeterWithesShin]

Ok. Silly time has arrived. Off to bed. Expect to be banned by Lord Dave by morning.

Actually you have been banned by me for breaching site rules:

Posters including such phrases as "I know you will delete this" or "I bet I get banned for saying this" as some sort of challenge to the moderators will find the post deleted and/or themselves banned as a matter of principle.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't know, but I do know that it's strange how you can defend Doug Ellis considering how low he regularly took us

[saunders_heroes]

I don't know, but I do know that it's strange how you can defend Doug Ellis considering how low he regularly took us

I criticised him when he deserved it. The same applies to Lerner. The last 3 seasons have been utterly shit, and he deserves stick for it.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't know, but I do know that it's strange how you can defend Doug Ellis considering how low he regularly took us

I criticised him when he deserved it. The same applies to Lerner. The last 3 seasons have been utterly shit, and he deserves stick for it.

But now you defend him.

[pauliewalnuts]

Probably because I could see how bad this team was right from the off! Do you really think a life long Villa fan like me enjoys criticising the club as much as I've done this last 18 months?

Isn't the view you posted re Ellis influenced by a desire to hit back at Lerner? I sometimes feel like that myself, in my moments of greatest anger with him.

Let's be entirely honest, though, Lerner has been here six years, and has spent loads of money getting a team which broke the top six into three relegation scraps.

Doug spent none of his own money getting the European Champions into the second division within five years. This is an achievement which goes down in the annals of English football.

[saunders_heroes]

I don't know, but I do know that it's strange how you can defend Doug Ellis considering how low he regularly took us

I criticised him when he deserved it. The same applies to Lerner. The last 3 seasons have been utterly shit, and he deserves stick for it.

But now you defend him.

What's wrong with a bit of balance now and again. You do it yourself when someone hammers Ellis for the demise of the old Trinity Rd stand

[Chris Smith]

Big fucking deal, it's a drop in the ocean to him after all the money he's made out of the Villa down the years.

A fucking damn sight more than most of the multi-millionaire players we have had over the years have bothered to donate.

You can't know that though, not everyone is as publicity hungry as Doug.

But does it matter. So Uncle Doug boasts about giving cash to charity, at least the charity is getting the cash. And maybe by giving said charity some publicity they might just get a few more donations?
I don't get the hatred some of you have for Ellis, there are far more worthy targets for my ire than a bloke who just didn't spend as much as I'd have liked on the football club I support.

On a thread about Doug Ellis it's probably likely that we're going to give our opinions on Doug Ellis, rather than say the bloke who allegedly burnt his house down with all his kids inside. You aren't obliged to read it.

Eh?
I can't see where I have said you can't have an opinion. Have you actually read my post or are you just on the blob or something?

I've read your post and it seems to be arguing with people's reasons for posting rather than the substance of what is being said.