Concrete Ron

[dave.woodhall]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

Inspired response lol

It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.

[paul_e]

As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.

And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.

Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?

Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.

As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?

As I said, that means a week before the end of the season, with 2 games to be played (I said one earlier, I forgot about the rearranged one in midweek). Do you think the players would've signed a new deal if it were offered that week?

As has been pointed out before, we've handed out plenty of new contracts in the last 2 summers, not one of which has been discussed during the season, making it pretty clear that the window where we deal with contracts starts after the end of the season.

For Vlaar that means he went off to the world cup as soon as that window starts.  Even then it's only a problem because he happened to have an unbelievably good world cup.  If the season kicks off and contracts aren't in place then it's a fair time to start complaining but right now you all come across as if you're looking for things to be pissed off about.

As an aside I have no idea why Delph hasn't had his situation dealt with but we have quotes saying he wants a new deal and that we want to offer him one so it's safe to think that will happen soon.

[silhillvilla]

In terms of vlaar and his new deal, I think we should put the WC (what a tournament ) to one side and not let that influence the deal. He's worth the same to us as he was before the WC (what a tournament).

[Malandro]

In terms of vlaar and his new deal, I think we should put the WC (what a tournament ) to one side and not let that influence the deal. He's worth the same to us as he was before the WC (what a tournament).

As always, he's worth what somebody is willing to pay.After the world cup his stock has risen.

[RussellC]

As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.

And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.

Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?

Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.

As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?

OK. Re the safe bit, I'll repeat

1. Which version of mathematically safe are we using (given that immediately after the season there was quite a debate about it I'd like to know be certain as to which point in time you're referring to.)
a) After the home win v Chelsea, the point at which we'd accrued the necessary points to survive.
b) The point at which we couldn't be caught ny 18th place.

As for the missing answer -

"justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time."

To say that nothing else should have got in the way is to pretend that each issue exists in a bubble that is totally isolated from all other issues / problems.

No more back from me tonight. Hour in front of you and need to up be at 5am.

I thought I'd cleared it up already but we didn't know we were safe until we couldn't be mathematically caught, so my answer is (b).

As for the context of "other events around the club at the time", quite simply the business still has to function whether it's up for sale or not. Whether there are disciplinary proceedings underway or not. Whether there are outgoings in the boardroom or not.  Lambert has told us time and time again that he has a direct line with Lerner, so things as important as player contracts still have to happen. I simply refuse to believe that the club have been sensible (or even forward thinking) in allowing it to get to nearly August without making an offer to either player (which I also refuse to believe they've done yet). For Delph to be making the noises that he is, whilst on the club's pre-season tour, just makes us look like a bit of a mess.

[silhillvilla]

In terms of vlaar and his new deal, I think we should put the WC (what a tournament ) to one side and not let that influence the deal. He's worth the same to us as he was before the WC (what a tournament).

As always, he's worth what somebody is willing to pay.After the world cup his stock has risen.

Yes & no.

[villan from luton]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

Inspired response lol

It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.

I do, and maybe you can accept some sad people dont agree with you lol. You did not wish to engage in a conversation, your choice

[dave.woodhall]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

Inspired response lol

It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.

I do, and maybe you can accept some sad people dont agree with you lol. You did not wish to engage in a conversation, your choice

Hang on. So you can say what you like but I'm not allowed to disagree?

[RussellC]

As I said, that means a week before the end of the season, with 2 games to be played (I said one earlier, I forgot about the rearranged one in midweek). Do you think the players would've signed a new deal if it were offered that week?

I don't know if they'd have signed it, but that certainly wouldn't have stopped me from making an offer to let the player know they were wanted and to show the supporters my intent to keep our best players.

As has been pointed out before, we've handed out plenty of new contracts in the last 2 summers, not one of which has been discussed during the season, making it pretty clear that the window where we deal with contracts starts after the end of the season.

It should also have been apparent that with the World Cup happening, things needed to be done earlier this summer.

For Vlaar that means he went off to the world cup as soon as that window starts.  Even then it's a problem because he happened to have an unbelievably good world cup.

As another poster (KevinGage I think) reasoned, we can't use Vlaar having a good World Cup as an excuse for the situation.

If the season kicks off and contracts aren't in place then it's a fair time to start complaining but right now you all come across as if you're looking for things to be pissed off about.

It's not being pissed off Paul, it's being genuinely worried. We've had 4 successively poor seasons, the club is up for sale and seemingly without a new owner in the pipeline. FWIW, I'm not negative about everything at the moment and am one if the few posters who thinks that Roy Keane will have a positive effect. I genuinely admire your positive outlook and wish I shared it, but I'm afraid I'm just worried at the moment.

As an aside I have no idea why Delph hasn't had his situation dealt with but we have quotes saying he wants a new deal and that we want to offer him one so it's safe to think that will happen soon.

That's the thing. If it wasn't for the fact that Delph is in exactly the same situation, I'd be much more inclined to agree with your point of view on Vlaar, rather than presume negligence on the clubs behalf.

[villan from luton]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

Inspired response lol

It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.

I do, and maybe you can accept some sad people dont agree with you lol. You did not wish to engage in a conversation, your choice

Hang on. So you can say what you like but I'm not allowed to disagree?

errm, would you like to go back to initial comment that you had a dig at. No more questions your honour lol

[Dave Cooper please]

Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.

As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.

He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.

It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it

No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.

God I hope not because the orgasmic fluids emitting from you will drown half of Norfolk.

[villan from luton]

Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.

As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.

He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.

It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it

No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.

God I hope not because the orgasmic fluids emitting from you will drown half of Norfolk.

I just showed my missus your post, she is throwing up in the toilet venting her feelings about you

[peter w]

Eh? you actually not only openly admit to taking part in this but  openly share this with other human beings? Including love-ones??? If my nearest and dearest saw any of this Shit I'd be banned from their real life.

[Colin B]

This thread is about Ron Vlaar but does anyone know what salary Vlaar or Delph is on?

[villan from luton]

Eh? you actually not only openly admit to taking part in this but  openly share this with other human beings? Including love-ones??? If my nearest and dearest saw any of this Shit I'd be banned from their real life.

I said my missus not loved one lol. First game I took her to was Coventry first game of 83/94 season, great idea to put Sir Dennis left mid. She thought Terry Gibson was a ballboy