Concrete Ron

[aj2k77]

I thought the Ireland player of the season vote was some form of joke by the fans?

[villan from luton]

Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".

We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.

Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days

Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?

Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?

Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.

Not moaning at all, just stating fact in that the club is being run badly at the moment. Do you disagree?

Yes you are moaning and the reason you're giving hasn't happened yet.

Not moaning at all, just stating my views. You chose not to answer my question by the way but never mind

If that's not moaning I'd hate to see you when you are. I didn't answer your question because it had no relevance to the point in hand.

Well you wont get that chance. Selective answering me thinks. I am allowed an opinion and if you dont agree fair enough. If you are happy with the way the club is being run at the moment fair enough, I think we and any club needs to get their better players signed up well in advance of a year left on their contract, but maybe I am wrong.

[dave.woodhall]

Well you wont get that chance. Selective answering me thinks. I am allowed an opinion and if you dont agree fair enough. If you are happy with the way the club is being run at the moment fair enough, I think we and any club needs to get their better players signed up well in advance of a year left on their contract, but maybe I am wrong.

Did I say I was happy?

[PeterWithesShin]

I thought the Ireland player of the season vote was some form of joke by the fans?

IIRC it is based on MOTM points, not an end of season vote.

[villan from luton]

I didnt say you were or you werent did I? You chose not to answer my question and that is your choice. I thought a fans forum was for discussing things and debating, we are all Villa fans and want the best for our club

[dave.woodhall]

If you are happy with the way the club is being run at the moment fair enough.

Did I say I was happy?

I didnt say you were or you werent did I?

[peter w]

It's getting a little bit tedious now. the only thing that is important is whether they sign or not not when and if the contracts would and should have been offered.

[silhillvilla]

Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.

As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.

He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.

[villan from luton]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

[RussellC]

As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.

And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.

Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?

Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.

As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?

[villan from luton]

Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.

As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.

He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.

It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it

[dave.woodhall]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

[silhillvilla]

Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.

As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.

He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.

It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it

No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.

[villan from luton]

I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it

Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.

Inspired response lol

[Villa in Denmark]

As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.

And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.

Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?

Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.

As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?

OK. Re the safe bit, I'll repeat

1. Which version of mathematically safe are we using (given that immediately after the season there was quite a debate about it I'd like to know be certain as to which point in time you're referring to.)
a) After the home win v Chelsea, the point at which we'd accrued the necessary points to survive.
b) The point at which we couldn't be caught ny 18th place.

As for the missing answer -

"justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time."

To say that nothing else should have got in the way is to pretend that each issue exists in a bubble that is totally isolated from all other issues / problems.

No more back from me tonight. Hour in front of you and need to up be at 5am.