He's a gonner.What do you mean by that?
He's a gonner.
Close to returning according to the PhysioRoom on twitter.
Baker puts himself in there where it hurts thats why he picks up the injuries He and Clark are maturing well together, a few mistakes here and there but its all about getting the opertunity and making best use of it.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been suffering DVT.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been suffering DVT.
Dvt? What makes you think that?
Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
how come there always has to be someone to blame?Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
Another example of the cost-cutting - probably employing 2nd tier physios...
how come there always has to be someone to blame?Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been suffering DVT.
Dvt? What makes you think that?
It can take a long time to recover from although there's no 'injury' per se. Occlusion in an affected limb can lead to swelling, sensations of burning and numbness and severe pain, and even if anticoagulated there's no stated recovery time. I'm not saying he has that or even if it's likely (most medical searches rule it out in favour of something less severe and non-specfic) but it's an idea as to why a general knock is taking so long to heal. If he's had a few operations in the past, Concrete might have developed some clots that have caused some damage.
i would lay big money that we have one of the best medical and physio teams at bodymoor heath. if someone is injured, then they are injured. there will not be one player held back and all will be playing as soon as they possibly can!how come there always has to be someone to blame?Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
Just the impression that we tend to be the team with one of the highest injury records.
I would imagine that the medical facilities down there are top notch as well. Blimey, when you look at the management team, there are a good number of physios and medics on there. Its funny when you look at it but with players on loan /injured there is a whole back four waiting behind the scenes, whether people rate them or not.i would lay big money that we have one of the best medical and physio teams at bodymoor heath. if someone is injured, then they are injured. there will not be one player held back and all will be playing as soon as they possibly can!how come there always has to be someone to blame?Ron Vlaar will be back in training next week.
I heard that too , the only problem is I heard it 6 weeks ago.
Why do I get a feeling that our physios and doctors are the worst in the league...
Just the impression that we tend to be the team with one of the highest injury records.
we are always looking to blame someone and say it is their fault.
Back in training but tomorrows game likely to come too soon - Mat Kendrick on Twitter
bomber brown and hundreds of ex footballers were treated by the magic sponge, thats why they cant walk now and are in pain for the rest of their days.Back in training but tomorrows game likely to come too soon - Mat Kendrick on Twitter
Well that's some good news, lets hope all goes well and he doesn't suffer any reaction .
Your right dc5 , so many physics and sprays these days , whatever happened to the magic sponge.
bomber brown and hundreds of ex footballers were treated by the magic sponge, thats why they cant walk now and are in pain for the rest of their days.Back in training but tomorrows game likely to come too soon - Mat Kendrick on Twitter
Well that's some good news, lets hope all goes well and he doesn't suffer any reaction .
Your right dc5 , so many physics and sprays these days , whatever happened to the magic sponge.
the problem is . he is not very concrete
He's like Samuel L Jackson's character in 'Unbreakable.'
Ron Vlaar knows it's a tough time for anyone who has their "heart" with Villa - but the skipper insists now is the time for the players to fight hard, keep the faith and pick up results.
Vlaar could well return to the side for the derby clash with West Brom after declaring himself fit for action after two months out with a calf injury.
And the captain spelled out exactly what needs to happen for Villa to push up the table and away from the danger zone.
He said: "It's hard. It's hard for everyone with the Villa heart.
"We have to try and keep the faith that the results will come. But we must know that doesn't happen by itself.
"We have to work hard. We have to train very well and believe. Then it will happen. I believe in that!
"There are a lot of points to win. We have to look to ourselves and get results. What the other teams do, that doesn't matter. We have to take care of ourselves. That's the most important thing. We don't have to look to the other teams.
"Looking back, we didn't deserve to lose the Southampton game.
"But that's the situation we're in now. We have to fight hard to come back.
"The spirit was good. That's where it all starts. I believe."
Vlaar is delighted to be back in contention to play after his minor calf problem became a troublesome issue and refused to clear up.
He added: "I was very happy to be back in the squad against Southampton.
"It took a long time for me to come back but the feeling of being back is great. The next step is to be playing. I am looking forward to that moment.
"It's been very difficult. It was crazy because it was only a small injury. But it took a long time to heal.
"That was really frustrating. I really wanted to play and help the lads but it just wasn't possible. I have had to be patient and wait until it's completely healed.
"My emotions have been up and down a lot of times. It looked better and then it was not. That happened a couple of times. You look forward to be playing again but that's not possible.
"You have to keep your head up and look forward and make steps forward.
"I am ready now because I had some extra conditioning training this week. I actually feel very good, fit and my muscles feel good. I look forward to playing again."
He was absolutely hopeless, but so is Clark. I used to think Clark had potential but bollocks does he.
He was absolutely hopeless, but so is Clark. I used to think Clark had potential but bollocks does he.
Clark isn't a defender. Not even a pale imitation of one.
Richard Dunne and James Collins look more competent as a defensive pairing as every game goes by.Agree. One can only dream..........
Vlaar had a shocker for their goal generally seems fairly steady, Southampton away and a few set pieces excepted. Clark is consistently hopeless. Hanson should have had a second when Clark completely lost him and then missed the cross. And he began to lose his head towards the end as well. He might eventually make a decent midfielder but not a centre back.
The only problem with Concrete Ron is that he hasn't set yet.oh thank you for cheering me up!
I'm not sure Vlaar is good enough. He puts effort in and tries hard, and physically competes. But all in all, average.
I think to be fair he's still hurting, but at least he takes responsibility for his mistake. I really think he's a perfectly good player, who does care. We have bigger problems than him.I'm bloody hurting. It's his responsibility to keep the team going, not to wallow in self pity
From the OS
"It's my man so it's my responsibility. I should have done better. But I didn't.
"It was a bad moment for everybody. It killed the game actually.
So the captain thinks the game is killed off at 1-1 against a league division 2 side
What hope do we have if this is the mentality of the team captain
The only problem with Concrete Ron is that he hasn't set yet.oh thank you for cheering me up!
Inspired!
I think to be fair he's still hurting, but at least he takes responsibility for his mistake. I really think he's a perfectly good player, who does care. We have bigger problems than him.I'm bloody hurting. It's his responsibility to keep the team going, not to wallow in self pity
Scapegoat time again. How about give him some help. He isn't Paul McGrath or Laursen. He needs a proper partner to help him and he didn't get it in January, and hasn't had it all season. The club have failed him.
We gave away 15 corners and something like 26 freekicks. People will blame the ref but even accounting for that, that's just too many. Away at somewhere like Everton who have Baines for delivery and Fellaini in the box, you just can't give that many away.
I'm more annoyed with Clark's defending than Vlaar's. Clark's just always giving away freekicks and he got turned far too easily for their first. He gets bullied too easily. Benteke must love training.
Why, oh why, did we not go for Upson? On-loan to Brighton instead.
I hope it wasn't cos of the chants DC5 has been refreshing over the last few days.
To be fair he was marking a £15/20m player today, whos strengths are in the air.We gave away too much in midfield, and need to keep the ball better in midfield.
I thought apart from the goal today Vlaar played well.
To be fair he was marking a £15/20m player today, whos strengths are in the air.We gave away too much in midfield, and need to keep the ball better in midfield.
I thought apart from the goal today Vlaar played well.
Was surprised with Everton, I didn't realise how much they relied on punting it up to the big man.
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We gave away 15 corners and something like 26 freekicks. People will blame the ref but even accounting for that, that's just too many. Away at somewhere like Everton who have Baines for delivery and Fellaini in the box, you just can't give that many away.
I'm more annoyed with Clark's defending than Vlaar's. Clark's just always giving away freekicks and he got turned far too easily for their first. He gets bullied too easily. Benteke must love training.
I really never understood this 'concrete' nick name, it's the last thing i'd compare him to.
As I've just posted in the post-match thread, I'm now thinking that Sponge Ron Squarepants is just not that good and realise why I'd never seen him linked with a move to a "big" club before we signed him.
Vlaar is nowhere near as good as Collins, or even Cuellar. He's better than Clark, but that's it.
But for most of that time Clark has been under unrelenting pressure with very little support or respite.Vlaar is nowhere near as good as Collins, or even Cuellar. He's better than Clark, but that's it.
We really have had some shit central defenders in recent years.
In order of least shit first, i'd go;
Cuellar
Knight
Dunne
Vlaar
Collins
Clark
Ridgewell
Davies
In fairness to Davies he actually looked quite good when he first joined (after he settled down) but some of those displays later in his career were truely park player level. So he would be the worst for me.
I can't really defend Clark any more, he's been largely in the side for 2 1/2 years now and he's still shite. Same as Bannan. There's only so long you can throw the young and inexperienced excuse.
Vlaar is not as good as Collins or Cuellar?.......Hmmmmmmm.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.
I think he's a tad deluded, he said on MOTD that overall the defence had played well.
Got nothing hugely aginst Vlaar or Clark, I just think they're a nightmare together.
Let's hope Dunne can get back for a last hurrah.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.
No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.
Where one person thinks he needs experience around him to help him and someone else says the same about Clark it says a lot. There's little in the way of nous at this level from any of our defence.
Fellaini's equaliser was a move that Everton often do at corners and it worked for them. We have no variation at all in our set-plays.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.
No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.
I'd never heard of him before we signed him. Work out how many goal we've conceded with him in the side from the word go. I can think of far more games where he's directly made a mistake leading to goals being conceded than I can good games he's had. And I'm never furious, I just believe in calling a spade a spade. The most senior defender in our worst ever defensive record can't be called good.
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.
Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.
Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.
Norwich were poor defensively too though , just not as poor as us.
The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.
Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?
Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.
Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.
Norwich were poor defensively too though , just not as poor as us.
Yet I refer you to my previous point about nobody making a big issue out of that.
I think most of the problem is that people are desperate for him to be the big,hard dominant centre half that we have been blessed with in the past, but unfortunately he no where near the standard of other European CH's such as Neilsen, Mellberg, and Laursen.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.
No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.
I'd never heard of him before we signed him. Work out how many goal we've conceded with him in the side from the word go. I can think of far more games where he's directly made a mistake leading to goals being conceded than I can good games he's had. And I'm never furious, I just believe in calling a spade a spade. The most senior defender in our worst ever defensive record can't be called good.
No, you're never furious. Like Nash always the voice of reason and puryeyor of clarity.
Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.
He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.
He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.
No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.
Exactly right Clark.
Exactly right Clark.
Oh look you've found a friend. That's nice
Exactly right Clark.
Oh look you've found a friend. That's nice
No you're right, Vlaar has been superb, as have the rest of the defence and midfield. If you turn the table upside down, we're second and have scored two goals a game.
Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.
Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.
Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever. So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great. God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.
Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.
Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.
Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever. So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great. God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.
So you're now comparing Vlaar to Hutton. Hutton since coming to England has been dire. Your position on the whole thing is getting even more fragile. And being picked for Scotland is just like being picked for Holland.
Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.
Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever. So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great. God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.
So you're now comparing Vlaar to Hutton. Hutton since coming to England has been dire. Your position on the whole thing is getting even more fragile. And being picked for Scotland is just like being picked for Holland.
I've just linked a few posts where you've called the manager shit and worse than TSM, plus the entire defence and Barry Bannan. So apparently it's fair comment when you do it, but if anybody else dares, it's angry bollocks.
Let's remember he's come from Holland to play in a different league. Is the Dutch league as direct as in England? I don't think he's as bad as some people are saying but look at KEA who has struggled to adjust to the pace of the game. If he had an experienced Premier League defender next to him I'm sure he would have played much better, but having to babysit three novices whilst finding his feet in the league is proving difficult for him.
I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.
If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.
he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?
I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.
he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?
No just shit, but 'fucking shit'. Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?
For the money we paid for him he has been ok. Not outstanding but ok.I think that's right. I had concerns about him based on his performances in the Euros last summer and he's not been a total success. He makes quite a few mistakes and seems to be quite unlucky to boot. Not really what you're looking for in a central defender.
For the money we paid for him he has been ok. Not outstanding but ok.I think that's right. I had concerns about him based on his performances in the Euros last summer and he's not been a total success. He makes quite a few mistakes and seems to be quite unlucky to boot. Not really what you're looking for in a central defender.
I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.
he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?
No just shit, but 'fucking shit'. Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?
Have I said he is always shit? Like you're saying about Vlaar like you somehow knew it before anyone else. Bannan has had plenty of chances, but I've not "always" held that position. Why don't you read what I write before trying to dig shit up.
I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.
he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?
No just shit, but 'fucking shit'. Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?
Have I said he is always shit? Like you're saying about Vlaar like you somehow knew it before anyone else. Bannan has had plenty of chances, but I've not "always" held that position. Why don't you read what I write before trying to dig shit up.
I didn't say 'always' I said 'since he got here'. Which he has.
Dunne has been a massive miss, and as for Vlaar he has just come back from an injury, possibly too soon.
Dunne has been a massive miss, and as for Vlaar he has just come back from an injury, possibly too soon.
Whether it's Dunne or just another senior CB, Vlaar has been let down by the club in not getting him a proper partner. I think Clark and Baker will be fine in time but they've asked to do too much.
Dunne has been a massive miss, and as for Vlaar he has just come back from an injury, possibly too soon.
Whether it's Dunne or just another senior CB, Vlaar has been let down by the club in not getting him a proper partner. I think Clark and Baker will be fine in time but they've asked to do too much.
I think Clark will be fine alongside Westwood in centre midfield
Dunne has been a massive miss, and as for Vlaar he has just come back from an injury, possibly too soon.
Whether it's Dunne or just another senior CB, Vlaar has been let down by the club in not getting him a proper partner. I think Clark and Baker will be fine in time but they've asked to do too much.
I think Clark will be fine alongside Westwood in centre midfield
Just my opinion, but I think he's too slow. One thing if you have Barry's passing and vision. I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
And if he's too slow for midfield, then his lack of pace is also a concern in defence, owing to his positional play not being up to it. Honestly, he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at the moment. It might sound harsh, but if we do end up going down, Clark will be one of the main causes. I appreciate he's doing his best, but god he's awful.
Is this the same Dunne we wanted sold in the summer?
Is this the same Dunne we wanted sold in the summer?
And if he's too slow for midfield, then his lack of pace is also a concern in defence, owing to his positional play not being up to it. Honestly, he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at the moment. It might sound harsh, but if we do end up going down, Clark will be one of the main causes. I appreciate he's doing his best, but god he's awful.
I've come to the conclusion that 'Concrete' must be a sardonic, piss-taking nickname given by some cruel team mates in the past. See also Dynamic Ireland, Mercurial Dunne and Prolific Heskey.thanks Risso, made me laugh!
Interesting that Nursey lazily and ignorantly suggests that its because he's foreign that he won't play if he's not 100%.
Interesting that Nursey lazily and ignorantly suggests that its because he's foreign that he won't play if he's not 100%.
I've stopped reading anything that hack writes, he's dreadful.
Interesting that Nursey lazily and ignorantly suggests that its because he's foreign that he won't play if he's not 100%.
I've stopped reading anything that hack writes, he's dreadful.
He's a shit stirrer. One minute he'll write a fawning, praising piece and then, a few weeks later, he'll write a piece that contains sly and subtle digs at individuals or the club as a whole. He's the type of journalist I would ban from anywhere near Villa Park or Bodymoor Heath.
Interesting that Nursey lazily and ignorantly suggests that its because he's foreign that he won't play if he's not 100%.
I've stopped reading anything that hack writes, he's dreadful.
He's a shit stirrer. One minute he'll write a fawning, praising piece and then, a few weeks later, he'll write a piece that contains sly and subtle digs at individuals or the club as a whole. He's the type of journalist I would ban from anywhere near Villa Park or Bodymoor Heath.
He's a Norwich fan and i guess deep down resents the fact that lambert walked out on them for villa.
Vlaar in Garth Crooks' team of the week today.
Surprising. I thought he was OK, but nothing marvellous. Crooks, by his write up, seems to have picked him because he was seen geeing up Baker after the own goal.
Interesting that Nursey lazily and ignorantly suggests that its because he's foreign that he won't play if he's not 100%.
I've stopped reading anything that hack writes, he's dreadful.
He's a shit stirrer. One minute he'll write a fawning, praising piece and then, a few weeks later, he'll write a piece that contains sly and subtle digs at individuals or the club as a whole. He's the type of journalist I would ban from anywhere near Villa Park or Bodymoor Heath.
He's a Norwich fan and i guess deep down resents the fact that lambert walked out on them for villa.
Surprised to read this, Nursey is incredibly positive towards Villa most of the time, and particularly towards Lambert.
I'd rather journalists who said what they actually think than those who just spout what they think people want to hear.
Garth Crooks was on Final Score on the BBC Saturday afternoon. He was walking about our game and the most trivial statement is delivered with the most overblown grandiosity imaginable. I haven't seen him on TV for a while and forgot just how awful he is to listen to. His co-pundit looked like he was trying not to laugh.
By James Nursey | 07/03/13
Ron Vlaar generated a few laughs when he arrived at Villa last summer and revealed his nickname was 'Concrete'.
The amiable, intelligent Dutchman, 28, is certainly a big, powerful unit at 6ft 2in.
So it is obvious where the nickname has originated from and I certainly wasn't about to argue with him!
Some of Villa's best displays since like against Swansea, Man City in the League Cup and at home to Arsenal have included the £3.2million signing from Feyenoord, who looks decent when he is on his game.
But after missing two more games with injury, I think it is fair to ask is Concrete Ron really that hard?!
I was speaking to a Villa source this week about the team's prospects.
They believed Paul Lambert's side can beat the drop but were worried about a couple of factors.
One was captain Vlaar missing so many games with injury.
He has only started 17 out of 28 League games for Villa.
I thought he was outstanding in his previous appearance against West Ham when he helped Villa to a vital victory.
Boss Paul Lambert is now hopeful the Dutchman will recover from a calf injury to play against Reading this weekend.
But to miss both the Arsenal and Man City games with injury - leaving Villa with an even younger, inexperienced defence - is most unfortunate.
Lambert made no mention of Vlaar's injury in the build up to Arsenal and was seemingly giving his captain until the last minute to declare himself fit.
But it appears Vlaar is the kind of pro who only takes to the field when he feels 100 per cent.
Now that is not unusual of course and is well within a player's rights.
But many pros are also willing to play with knocks even when they are only 80 per cent fit or worse - especially when their team badly needs them.
For every inspirational leader willing to play through the pain like Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, Paul Ince or Roy Keane, equally there are many players who simply feel incapable of playing when struggling.
I suspect it probably applies more to some of the foreign players who only make themselves available for selection when totally 100 per cent.
Perhaps Vlaar, who had several injuries and set-backs at Feyenoord, falls into this category?
Perhaps he doesn't.
'Concrete Ron' deserves the benefit of the doubt as the only person really able to determine his fitness definitively is Vlaar himself.
But it is clearly a fact the Villa defence is a lot better when Vlaar is in it and he needs to return quickly and stay in the side if the club are to beat the drop.
The other concern I heard recently was about the lack of natural holding players at Villa.
Villa's latest formation relies on two midfielders sitting infront of the back four to protect them by tackling and closing down opponents.
But is it a role naturally suited to the likes of Fabian Delph, Ashley Westwood and Karim El Ahmadi?
They can all perform the role of course but are all I believe instinctively more attacking and creative than that.
Delph is must be said has actually had a decent personal season but his 10th booking has earned him a two-game suspension.
Perhaps it will now mean a first start for January signing Yacouba Sylla who appears better suited to the defensive midfielder role.
But if that is the case then why haven't we seen him already in the starting line-up?
Villa's campaign is continuing to throw up all sorts of questions.
But ultimately the only question that really is matters is will the club stay up?
Losing by a single goal to Arsenal and the champions Man City is no disgrace and people at Villa insist they are playing well.
But Villa cannot afford any defeats in their next two games against Reading and QPR.
Drivel? He's been criticised on here by lots of fans because of his laughably undeserved nickname all season.
That's pretty fair TBH.Drivel? He's been criticised on here by lots of fans because of his laughably undeserved nickname all season.
Vlaar has been exposed as thoroughly average this season but particularly so since his initial injury. I don't think he has been fit since. Couldn't get off the ground for his desperate attempt at a header at Reading.
The article reeks of Johnny Foreigner can't hack it on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke. Complete and utter drivel. With the exception of Richard Dunne, Vlaar was the worst centre half at Euro 2012. He has a history of injury problem and going into the season with him and Dunne as the centre half duo was reckless in the extreme from Lambert.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
I think that pretty much sums it up for me, he's been OK and might improve with a run free from injuries. The haste with which some people write players off is only matched by the speed others over hype some others. He's twice the player Cuellar is, for example.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
I think that pretty much sums it up for me, he's been OK and might improve with a run free from injuries. The haste with which some people write players off is only matched by the speed others over hype some others. He's twice the player Cuellar is, for example.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
I think that pretty much sums it up for me, he's been OK and might improve with a run free from injuries. The haste with which some people write players off is only matched by the speed others over hype some others. He's twice the player Cuellar is, for example.
I certainly wouldn't say Vlaar is twice the player cuellar was - as i remember you were often praising cuellar when he was coming in for stick during mons final year chris.
Cuellar was too often played out of position at right back for us, he was an ok centre half as is Vlaar.
Carlos Cueller used to tweet a lot, for some reason that meant the Villa fans on twitter seemed to think he was world class...
Part of the reason Vlaar looks uncomfortable is he's playing on the right of the central defence, as both he and Clark are left footers. That still doesn't excuse him being beaten so often in the air. Commanding, he ain't. Reading was his first game back and may explain why he looks a little rusty. Hopefully he'll be up to speed for QPR.
My mistake. Well actually not mine, I heard it mentioned during the game on Saturday. Left or right footed, he still doesn't win enough headers for me.
Left or right footed, he still doesn't win enough headers for me.
By James Nursey | 07/03/13
Ron Vlaar generated a few laughs when he arrived at Villa last summer and revealed his nickname was 'Concrete'.
The amiable, intelligent Dutchman, 28, is certainly a big, powerful unit at 6ft 2in.
So it is obvious where the nickname has originated from and I certainly wasn't about to argue with him!
Some of Villa's best displays since like against Swansea, Man City in the League Cup and at home to Arsenal have included the £3.2million signing from Feyenoord, who looks decent when he is on his game.
But after missing two more games with injury, I think it is fair to ask is Concrete Ron really that hard?!
I was speaking to a Villa source this week about the team's prospects.
They believed Paul Lambert's side can beat the drop but were worried about a couple of factors.
One was captain Vlaar missing so many games with injury.
He has only started 17 out of 28 League games for Villa.
I thought he was outstanding in his previous appearance against West Ham when he helped Villa to a vital victory.
Boss Paul Lambert is now hopeful the Dutchman will recover from a calf injury to play against Reading this weekend.
But to miss both the Arsenal and Man City games with injury - leaving Villa with an even younger, inexperienced defence - is most unfortunate.
Lambert made no mention of Vlaar's injury in the build up to Arsenal and was seemingly giving his captain until the last minute to declare himself fit.
But it appears Vlaar is the kind of pro who only takes to the field when he feels 100 per cent.
Now that is not unusual of course and is well within a player's rights.
But many pros are also willing to play with knocks even when they are only 80 per cent fit or worse - especially when their team badly needs them.
For every inspirational leader willing to play through the pain like Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, Paul Ince or Roy Keane, equally there are many players who simply feel incapable of playing when struggling.
I suspect it probably applies more to some of the foreign players who only make themselves available for selection when totally 100 per cent.
Perhaps Vlaar, who had several injuries and set-backs at Feyenoord, falls into this category?
Perhaps he doesn't.
'Concrete Ron' deserves the benefit of the doubt as the only person really able to determine his fitness definitively is Vlaar himself.
But it is clearly a fact the Villa defence is a lot better when Vlaar is in it and he needs to return quickly and stay in the side if the club are to beat the drop.
The other concern I heard recently was about the lack of natural holding players at Villa.
Villa's latest formation relies on two midfielders sitting infront of the back four to protect them by tackling and closing down opponents.
But is it a role naturally suited to the likes of Fabian Delph, Ashley Westwood and Karim El Ahmadi?
They can all perform the role of course but are all I believe instinctively more attacking and creative than that.
Delph is must be said has actually had a decent personal season but his 10th booking has earned him a two-game suspension.
Perhaps it will now mean a first start for January signing Yacouba Sylla who appears better suited to the defensive midfielder role.
But if that is the case then why haven't we seen him already in the starting line-up?
Villa's campaign is continuing to throw up all sorts of questions.
But ultimately the only question that really is matters is will the club stay up?
Losing by a single goal to Arsenal and the champions Man City is no disgrace and people at Villa insist they are playing well.
But Villa cannot afford any defeats in their next two games against Reading and QPR.
Xenophobic drivel
I can't make my mind up about Vlaar. He's been ok overall but that's about it. I'm not sure he's twice the player Cuellar was like Chris suggested though. Maybe next season we'll see a more solid Ron.
Interestingly, the BBC's so-called expert, Garth Beachball, has put Polysterene Ron in his Team of the Week for his calming infuence on Saturday.
You don't think I read all this shit , do you?!Interestingly, the BBC's so-called expert, Garth Beachball, has put Polysterene Ron in his Team of the Week for his calming infuence on Saturday.
*points at two pages back*
*winks*
Vlaar misses too many headers to be classed as a decent centre half imo!He's been ok at best in my opinion. Pretty average with some costly blunders thrown in.
Let's remember he's come from Holland to play in a different league. Is the Dutch league as direct as in England? I don't think he's as bad as some people are saying but look at KEA who has struggled to adjust to the pace of the game. If he had an experienced Premier League defender next to him I'm sure he would have played much better, but having to babysit three novices whilst finding his feet in the league is proving difficult for him.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
I think that pretty much sums it up for me, he's been OK and might improve with a run free from injuries. The haste with which some people write players off is only matched by the speed others over hype some others. He's twice the player Cuellar is, for example.
I think we'll see a much tougher Concrete Ron next season, especially once he has the summer off to recuperate after his injuries.
A fit Richard Dunne over Vlaar for this final few games would be my choice. Vlaar is not good enough in the air to be a top class CB. Baker has better aerial power .....
A fit Richard Dunne over Vlaar for this final few games would be my choice. Vlaar is not good enough in the air to be a top class CB. Baker has better aerial power .....
A fit Richard Dunne over Vlaar for this final few games would be my choice. Vlaar is not good enough in the air to be a top class CB. Baker has better aerial power .....
We've got more chance of fielding a giant, six legged unicorn.
For me, Vlaar is an OK player.
He is certainly not brilliant, but he is not shit, he is ok.
But I think its clear that we do look better when he is in the team.
My point being we don't need world beaters to make this team better, just the addition of some quality and experience.
If we survive this year, then just 2 or 3 players of quality and experience, in the right positions, and we could just be ok next year.
I think that pretty much sums it up for me, he's been OK and might improve with a run free from injuries. The haste with which some people write players off is only matched by the speed others over hype some others. He's twice the player Cuellar is, for example.
How many times the player Collins was out of interest?
The same Collins that pulled a rick in every game? The same Collins thats struggling to keep any sort of a place in West Hams squad? The same Collins that was a disruptive element in our team and squad? Vlaar every day for me
Shame they couldn't be bothered to play for any manager other then MON. At least Vlaar comes across as a proper professional.The same Collins that pulled a rick in every game? The same Collins thats struggling to keep any sort of a place in West Hams squad? The same Collins that was a disruptive element in our team and squad? Vlaar every day for me
No, the Collins, that with Dunne, was part of our strongest defence in recent years and if you re-read the post you'll see I said the same as you about Vlaar.
Chris fair point, but we still shipped a cricket score to Chelsea that season, and none of that back five ever got close to those performances in subsequent seasons either here or where they went on to, so id take that Collins, but not todays version
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
Baker for me.
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
Baker for me.
So who, in Rainman style, is playing LB?
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
Baker for me.
So who, in Rainman style, is playing LB?
Joe Bennett. I think he's better than a lot of other people do.
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.
Clark or Baker?
Baker for me.
So who, in Rainman style, is playing LB?
Joe Bennett. I think he's better than a lot of other people do.
I'm guessing that Porous Ron will always be first choice, but who would you prefer to partner him.Ideally it would be Baker for me. As someone above said, Clark and Vlaar are too similar and don't complement each other. Problem though is that Baker going to CB right now would bring up the whole LB dilemma again. Bennett has been better since the turn of the year in all fairness but he still doesn't inspire much confidence. Lichaj used to be pretty solid but had a crazy period where he became a complete liability. Not sure what has happened to Stevens who I have never minded really. I think we should stick with the current back 4 until the end of the season TBH, just for the consistancy if nothing else. But for next season the Vlaar/Clark partnership should be disbanded. In fact, I'd have no problem with Clark being sold given that PL is clearly to stubbon to play him in midfield which he is more suited to at this level.
Clark or Baker?
Not that much creativety in that midfield three though is there Peter W?
Not that much creativety in that midfield three though is there Peter W?
Sylla or Clark carrying the ball forward, and you've got n'Zog in front of them if we set up the way we have been recently.
Not that much creativety in that midfield three though is there Peter W?
Sylla or Clark carrying the ball forward, and you've got n'Zog in front of them if we set up the way we have been recently.
And who up front then? Would be hard on Gabby or Weimann imo
Dunne, Baker, Clark. In that order.
If Dunnes off......Dunnes replacement to partner Vlaar.
It's Baker's distribution that is poor, for me. He's a good stopper but does the modern game need more than that of a Premiership CB?
Dunne, Baker, Clark. In that order.
If Dunnes off......Dunnes replacement to partner Vlaar.
Apparently Man City have put a £4m price on Lescott. Now that would make us a lot more solid in the middle.
It's Baker's distribution that is poor, for me. He's a good stopper but does the modern game need more than that of a Premiership CB?
His positional sense is poor as well. That might come with age, but the fact he often gets caught out of position is reflected in the number of last ditch sliding tackles he has to make. We definitely need to bring in a first choice CB in the summer to partner Vlaar.
Lescott would be a great addition to our defence squad; a superb mentor for the younger players and a good contributor on match day. He's another left-footer, though, so I'd like to seee another (right-footed) CB brought in to cover for Vlaar.
Apparently Man City have put a £4m price on Lescott. Now that would make us a lot more solid in the middle.
Dunne, Baker, Clark. In that order.
If Dunnes off......Dunnes replacement to partner Vlaar.
Apparently Man City have put a £4m price on Lescott. Now that would make us a lot more solid in the middle.
I think Barry could also be available in the summer as well. There's two signings that would make a massive impact and would probably command the same wages that are currently being paid to Bent and Ireland.
In the second half today he really stood up and was excellent.
I'm getting a little concerned by this, it's starting to sound like last year.
Baker is just not good enough,neither is Clarke but he's less of a liability.Correct. My view is that we can't afford to wait to see if Okore is as good as we hoped he was. We didn't see him long enough to know what he was capable of, never mind how he would recover from that injury. Vlaar is not a proven centre half yet so we have to buy at least one good centre half who can boss the back four.
He has wintertitus.
Baker is just not good enough,neither is Clarke but he's less of a liability.There is the young lad Donacien who is going to be a very good player. May be time for him.
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath.If he is only going to miss the Xmas period how does buying a replacement CB help?
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Dare I say it Radio WM mentioned it! So must be true! We need experienced cover at CB especially with Okore out for most of the season if not all of it; who knows how long Ron will be out? We have no real quality cover at CB - do you want to rely on Clark and Baker for the next few months?
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Yes, I remember everyone saying so at the time.
Baker is just not good enough,neither is Clarke but he's less of a liability.There is the young lad Donacien who is going to be a very good player. May be time for him.
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Yes, I remember everyone saying so at the time.
Absolutely. Let's go back to the good old days when Doug just had a majority shareholding. The days when we all had a huge say in everything and everybody was happy.
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Remind us all again how fan voting went under the old system when it came player acquisition. My memory is a bit hazy but I don't recall getting a call from the club asking my opinion ahead of a potential transfer.I think that's just you TV. At one point being a 100 shares shareholder Douglas showered me and my good wife with gifts prior to O'Leary's appointment. He was round at our house everyday with hampers of food and boxes of chocolates pressing me to endorse his choice of manager. In the end I got fed up and told him "Dougie you are in charge just make a decision". Those were the days.....
Quote from: Toronto Villa link=topic=48748.msg2482367#msg2482367 date=Remind us all again how fan voting went under the old system when it came player acquisition. My memory is a bit hazy but I don't recall getting a call from the club asking my opinion ahead of a potential transfer.I think that's just you TV. At one point being a 100 shares shareholder Douglas showered me and my good wife with gifts prior to O'Leary's appointment. He was round at our house everyday with hampers of food and boxes of chocolates pressing me to endorse his choice of manager. In the end I got fed up and told him "Dougie you are in charge just make a decision". Those were the days.....
Ron likely to miss entire Christmas programme. This is very much like last year. Lerner simply has to buy a replacement CB with EXPERIENCE! But I'm not holding my breath. I just don't see what Lerner gets out of his ownership of our great club. Oh for the days of being a shareholder- why doesn't RL sell 49% of his shares back to the fans? This sole ownership sucks.
Yes, I remember everyone saying so at the time.
Absolutely. Let's go back to the good old days when Doug just had a majority shareholding. The days when we all had a huge say in everything and everybody was happy.
One of the increasingly large number of things that piss me off as I head towards old age and cantankerousness is the amount of our supporters who now say that it's wrong for Randy to own all the shares. I've no idea how many of them were falling over themselves to sell to him in 2006 but I do know that those of us who wanted to hang on to ours because we preferred the idea of being able to poke our noses round the door once a year were in a very small minority because, apparently, the best way to run a club back then was for one man to own it all. This was itself in contrast to just nine years earlier when flotation was the way forward.
Doug gets votd out by a show of hands. Doug votes himself straight back in with proxy votes and carries on doing what he wants.At least there was a vote. We all had the chance of a say.
A vote that ultimately meant nothing.Yes.
Like I said, we could poke our heads round the door. There was no real power (in fact no power at all) but it made us like we had a stake in the club even though there's far more dialogue with fans now than there was then.There was no real power but the fan-shareholders - like the Trust - at least had a platform for their views to be aired. During the 2002-06 period a number of (not always congruent) groups became increasingly vocal and were making the club under HDE a little uncomfortable. I remember holding a couple of meetings with Howard Hodgson who - because of his personal wealth - was not able to command media time, he also made Ansell and other more than a little twitchy.
Doesn't he look good when he's got other defenders around him that he doesn't have to baby sit?Yes!
Mr. Lambert please note.
Doesn't he look good when he's got other defenders around him that he doesn't have to baby sit?
Mr. Lambert please note.
His transfer fee is going up with every passing minute like a taxi meter on New Years EveYes and no. He's only got 1 year left on contract.
His transfer fee is going up with every passing minute like a taxi meter on New Years EveIf Leeds can get 11 million for Ross McCormark I think we should be looking for 20 mill for Ron minimum. Last year of his deal or not.
He has been the best player on the pitch so far and that's no mean feat with the players in the match.Barring playing like David Luiz in the final (should they get there) I see Ron getting in the team of the tournament.
Aye and Chelski must be pissing themselves getting 50 mil for that donkey.He has been the best player on the pitch so far and that's no mean feat with the players in the match.Barring playing like David Luiz in the final (should they get there) I see Ron getting in the team of the tournament.
His transfer fee is going up with every passing minute like a taxi meter on New Years EveIf Leeds can get 11 million for Ross McCormark I think we should be looking for 20 mill for Ron minimum. Last year of his deal or not.
50 million. Jesus.Aye and Chelski must be pissing themselves getting 50 mil for that donkey.He has been the best player on the pitch so far and that's no mean feat with the players in the match.Barring playing like David Luiz in the final (should they get there) I see Ron getting in the team of the tournament.
His transfer fee is going up with every passing minute like a taxi meter on New Years EveYes and no. He's only got 1 year left on contract.
Really ? Thought he had 2 left ? If so, yes let's demand £20m as a starting price and hold a Dutch auction.His transfer fee is going up with every passing minute like a taxi meter on New Years EveYes and no. He's only got 1 year left on contract.
So did Ashley and we still managed to get £16mil for him.
The concrete man is trending on twitterHow many pens did Beckenbaur miss?
Barton says he's playing like Beckenbauer
It's all getting a bit surreal
See how Messi did Ron there? If that were in front of the Holte End I would be booing and shaking my fist. Boo I would say! Boo Vlaar!
Southgate, Vassell, Mellberg and now Vlaar. Never let Villa players take penaltiesYep, it's all our fault. ;)
We'll be lucky to get 50p for him now. Useless bugger.From 60 million to 50p in one kick. No one does player value depreciation quite like the Villa. ;)
Manchester City fan here and whilst I was supporting Demichelis and Zabaletta my eye was caught by "Concrete Ron" throughout. Did your club proud and had the bottle to take a penalty when, according to Van Gaal, others wouldn't step up. Hope he gets a cup-winnrs medal with you next season.
Major fuck up indeed. Maybe one of the reasons Faulkner got his P45.Manchester City fan here and whilst I was supporting Demichelis and Zabaletta my eye was caught by "Concrete Ron" throughout. Did your club proud and had the bottle to take a penalty when, according to Van Gaal, others wouldn't step up. Hope he gets a cup-winnrs medal with you next season.
Cheers mate so do I.
Anybody reckon we can keep him? Major fuck up not sorting him out with a new deal before he entered the final year of his contract.
I'd worry about keeping him longer than the end of next season. Even if he hands in a transfer request we'll just do what we did with Benteke, reject it and tell him to get on with it.
Vlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Newspaper headline next week
Vlaar stopped at UK customs trying to smuggle in south american immigrant.
"It was a present for my team mates - I forgot to empty my pocket after the semi final"
He's had plenty of practice last season to be honest
God only knows what would happen if he had someone half decent instead of Baker/Clark next to him
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
And yet according to Tyldesley, former Liverpool player Mascherano was the man of the match....
God only knows what would happen if he had someone half decent instead of Baker/Clark next to him
That's why I was gutted that we didn't see more of Vlaar and Okore last season. Hopefully this season...
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
And yet according to Tyldesley, former Liverpool player Mascherano was the man of the match....
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
And yet according to Tyldesley, former Liverpool player Mascherano was the man of the match....
And from that I think we can safely deduce that Tyldesley = Twat.
He was outstanding and I think that proves that he's a good player and I believe he could comfortably fit in it a club higher up the league. I really hope he stays, but given his age, contract situation and the club's instability I'd be surprised.
Get him in a back three alongside Okore and Senderos and I think we would see the best of them all; and the likes of Lowton and Bennett as wingbacks.
He was outstanding and I think that proves that he's a good player and I believe he could comfortably fit in it a club higher up the league. I really hope he stays, but given his age, contract situation and the club's instability I'd be surprised.
Van Gaal has no doubt tapped him up for Manure while they've been away. Can't blame Ron if he goes given the circumstances at B6
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
And yet according to Tyldesley, former Liverpool player Mascherano was the man of the match....
And from that I think we can safely deduce that Tyldesley = Twat.
Far too polite.
He is a cliched riven sycophantic belllend who is wholly unprofesssional and biased when England or 'English' teams play.
If hell exists, and thankfully it doesn't, it would listenting to hin ad infinitum
It's amazing what a good defensive partner and a couple of good midfielders has done for Ron.This.
To be honest I think the WC made him look better than he is. If someone offers good money it's a no brainer.
To be honest I think the WC made him look better than he is. If someone offers good money it's a no brainer.
How does that work?
Apparently, last night he won 100% of tackles, 100% of aerial duels, made 11 clearances and had a pass accuracy of 92%
I find it very unlikely that was due in large part to the players around him, whereas, looking at the shitness of Baker and Clark, I find it extremely easy to believe it is them making him look worse than he is.
He's kept the best player in the World quiet all game. He's already made Diego Costa, one of the new wave of galacticos, look like a pub player. Likewise in that Argentina lineup, Higuain is no mug either. That's not by accident.To be honest I think the WC made him look better than he is. If someone offers good money it's a no brainer.
How does that work?
Apparently, last night he won 100% of tackles, 100% of aerial duels, made 11 clearances and had a pass accuracy of 92%
I find it very unlikely that was due in large part to the players around him, whereas, looking at the shitness of Baker and Clark, I find it extremely easy to believe it is them making him look worse than he is.
He's just had a storming world cup.
Ideal World scenario though is that we offer him a new deal and he accepts. He's a player we should be building our backline around.
I don't see why he would be cheap. If a side wants to buy him and play him next season, then they'll pay a fee that is acceptable. If not, then they will have to wait. In that time, new owners might come in and things may look very different indeed.
I think he'd be happy to see out his last year at least. I don't see Ron pushing for a move. We're used to seeing players go for nothing anyway. Unless we're going to get offered something silly, and clubs are forking out silly sums right now, then he can see out his final year. He'll get rewarded next summer with some nice offers I'd imagine.He's just had a storming world cup.
Ideal World scenario though is that we offer him a new deal and he accepts. He's a player we should be building our backline around.
The fact that he's just had a storming WC makes me think it's less likely he'd re-sign with us, particularly if there no new buyer on the horizon.
I know I wouldn't if I were him.
I think he'd be happy to see out his last year at least. I don't see Ron pushing for a move. We're used to seeing players go for nothing anyway. Unless we're going to get offered something silly, and clubs are forking out silly sums right now, then he can see out his final year. He'll get rewarded next summer with some nice offers I'd imagine.He's just had a storming world cup.
Ideal World scenario though is that we offer him a new deal and he accepts. He's a player we should be building our backline around.
The fact that he's just had a storming WC makes me think it's less likely he'd re-sign with us, particularly if there no new buyer on the horizon.
I know I wouldn't if I were him.
All players become better with good players around them - in Ron's position that means he can rely on his defensive partners more and a decent midfield is there to cover and protect the backline so that when a break does occur it is minimised - basically Ron can get on and do his job. He was almost playing a sweeper role last night...and he did it exceptionally well partly due to those around him doing a good job too.To be honest I think the WC made him look better than he is. If someone offers good money it's a no brainer.
How does that work?
Apparently, last night he won 100% of tackles, 100% of aerial duels, made 11 clearances and had a pass accuracy of 92%
I find it very unlikely that was due in large part to the players around him, whereas, looking at the shitness of Baker and Clark, I find it extremely easy to believe it is them making him look worse than he is.
Nothing but admiration for Vlaar, he's had a great World Cup and really didn't deserve to be on the losing side last night.
It obviously helps having players around him that know their jobs and a manager that understands a little bit more than the basics. Vlaar was always looking up and around him when he had the ball, managing to find the pass and his movement was key. Nothing like the concrete statue we witnessed last season.
Hopefully he'll come back a better player having been reminded what it takes to be a great centre half.
To be honest I think the WC made him look better than he is. If someone offers good money it's a no brainer.
some of the others in that squad should be ashamed of themselves for not having the guts to take it.
some of the others in that squad should be ashamed of themselves for not having the guts to take it.
yes I'm looking at you Paul Ince the self titled Guvnor....I always thought Southgate had tremendous guts to take the penalty in 1996....
I think he'd be happy to see out his last year at least. I don't see Ron pushing for a move. We're used to seeing players go for nothing anyway. Unless we're going to get offered something silly, and clubs are forking out silly sums right now, then he can see out his final year. He'll get rewarded next summer with some nice offers I'd imagine.He's just had a storming world cup.
Ideal World scenario though is that we offer him a new deal and he accepts. He's a player we should be building our backline around.
The fact that he's just had a storming WC makes me think it's less likely he'd re-sign with us, particularly if there no new buyer on the horizon.
I know I wouldn't if I were him.
I don't think I've seen it mentioned on here so apologies if it has. There's a scenario whereby Ron decides to see out his contract and a sale goes through that sees a level of investment designed to move the club forward. Ron just might like the look of this and decide he wants to be part of it and looks to sign a new contract should Villa be prepared at that stage to offer him one. Wishful thinking/dreaming, on my part.
I hate to say it, but if I was Vlaar I know what i'd be doing. His stock is probably the highest it has ever been, at his age the chance for a big pay day and possibly play CL football, or stay and hope for mid table obscurity in B6.
I hate to say it, but if I was Vlaar I know what i'd be doing. His stock is probably the highest it has ever been, at his age the chance for a big pay day and possibly play CL football, or stay and hope for mid table obscurity in B6.
From F365:QuoteVlaar won 100% of his tackles, 100% of his aerial duels, made 11 clearances (five more than any other player on the field) and registered a pass accuracy of 92% - it was as close to the perfect performance as we have seen throughout this tournament.
Sadly one of those passes was straight at the Argentinian keeper.
It would be complete madness to sell him with the current state of affairs at the club and hope Senderos wasn't bought in the knowledge that Vlaar is off.
And yet according to Tyldesley, former Liverpool player Mascherano was the man of the match....
And from that I think we can safely deduce that Tyldesley = Twat.
I hate to say it, but if I was Vlaar I know what i'd be doing. His stock is probably the highest it has ever been, at his age the chance for a big pay day and possibly play CL football, or stay and hope for mid table obscurity in B6.
Seconded. And good luck to the bloke I say.
Couldn't blame him at all for wanting to leave
But we have to try and hang on to him. Our record without him is horrendous and without him I'd be pretty much certain we're going down, as I doubt we'd get an adequate replacement in
I like him and don't want him to leave, but some of the comments about what a great World Cup he has had and comparing him to Paul McGrath are over the top for me. I think he has been exposed on a number of occasions and has been lucky on other occasions not to be punished for defensive lapses and fouls.
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That WhoScored rating is a load of bollocks. Wouldn't have shocked me pre-tournament if you told me that's how he'd compare to Luiz anyway ...
I massively rate Vlaar and really hope he stays but he ticks all the boxes for Manure and as many of you have said, who could blame him for wanting the move? Good luck to him, let's just hope we get the 10 million I think he's worth
This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
He has a year left on his contract, more great work by the club not to secure him to a longer contract before the world cup. No way would we get £15m surely?Someone the other day posted we got £16m for Ashley young with 1 year left ? Not sure if true ?
X 2This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Vlaar isn't fit to lace the boots of McGrath in any shape or form.
He's certainly played well in the last few games though, but let's not go over the top.
This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Vlaar isn't fit to lace the boots of McGrath in any shape or form.
He's certainly played well in the last few games though, but let's not go over the top.
X 2This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Vlaar isn't fit to lace the boots of McGrath in any shape or form.
He's certainly played well in the last few games though, but let's not go over the top.
SSN Monday 10am , entrance to QPR training ground. Saggy chops winds window down shoves his chops into a Sky mic - "yeah I like him, I like Ron, great player , I like him".
I think it's likely he will go. I hope i'm wrong though, the thought of Vlaar and Okore having a season together for us gives me a funny tingly feeling in my tummy. And I like it.
Three thoughts: Netherlands 3, Brazil 0
2. Ron Vlaar has been the best center back at this World Cup.
The Aston Villa defender certainly wasn’t expected to be one the brightest lights of this World Cup. In fact, he was actively highlighted as one of the Netherlands’ weaknesses.
But along with Arjen Robben and Robin Van Persie, Vlaar has been the most impressive and consistent Dutch player at the tournament. His performance against Argentina in the semi-final kept his side in the contest right up until the penalty shootout, when cruelly Vlaar’s saved spot kick set the course for Holland’s exit.
Against Brazil, Vlaar was the beating heart of Holland’s defensive organism, even showing his ability bringing the ball out from the back.
Thiago Silva and Mats Hummels will likely take their places in defense for the team of the World Cup, but if the selection discounts reputation and prestige, Vlaar should be in there as well.
Wonder if he's gonna go all Alpay on us after a successful World Cup.He doesn't strike me as that type of character . He reminds me of Olof in terms of character etc . I hope I'm not proven wrong. He seems on the outside looking in a good old fashioned pro and a man of honour and integrity. If we lose him through not making him any sort of offer it will be a sad scenario.
Wonder if he's gonna go all Alpay on us after a successful World Cup.He doesn't strike me as that type of character . He reminds me of Olof in terms of character etc . I hope I'm not proven wrong. He seems on the outside looking in a good old fashioned pro and a man of honour and integrity. If we lose him through not making him any sort of offer it will be a sad scenario.
Whatever happens, it's nice to have something to be proud about on the pitch for a change.
He has a year left on his contract, more great work by the club not to secure him to a longer contract before the world cup. No way would we get £15m surely?Someone the other day posted we got £16m for Ashley young with 1 year left ? Not sure if true ?
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I am in bed with Kelly Brook while I type this, but there is more chance of me shagging Kylie than us paying £16m for Ashley Young lol
He has a year left on his contract, more great work by the club not to secure him to a longer contract before the world cup. No way would we get £15m surely?Someone the other day posted we got £16m for Ashley young with 1 year left ? Not sure if true ?
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I am in bed with Kelly Brook while I type this, but there is more chance of me shagging Kylie than us paying £16m for Ashley Young lol
"he's a top, top player"SSN Monday 10am , entrance to QPR training ground. Saggy chops winds window down shoves his chops into a Sky mic - "yeah I like him, I like Ron, great player , I like him".
Surely it would be "trific player"!
This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Vlaar isn't fit to lace the boots of McGrath in any shape or form.
He's certainly played well in the last few games though, but let's not go over the top.
The mighty Incheon United in South Korea.
Where did Alpay actually go after leaving us?Hell.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Ron is still a Villa player come September. The club are either indifferent or negligent in allowing the team captain to go into the last year of his contract. Furthermore the World Cup has allowed Vlaar to showcase his ability at the highest level and the poor policy of the club leaves us wide open to losing him at a knockdown price.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Ron is still a Villa player come September. The club are either indifferent or negligent in allowing the team captain to go into the last year of his contract. Furthermore the World Cup has allowed Vlaar to showcase his ability at the highest level and the poor policy of the club leaves us wide open to losing him at a knockdown price.
I'd be amazed that the club did not try and do something however I suspect the response from the agent would have been, lets wait until after the world cup regardless of what was offered as his value was not likely to go down from his performances (even if he didn't play).
This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Baresi went to McGrath at full-time and said it was the best he'd ever seen. Vlaar's been fantastic, but I agree with RRR - God withstood an absolute onslaught that day, and withstood it calmly and without alarm.
Baresi went to McGrath at full-time and said it was the best he'd ever seen. Vlaar's been fantastic, but I agree with RRR - God withstood an absolute onslaught that day, and withstood it calmly and without alarm.
It's irrelevant anyway. Apart from McGrath (obviously), Mountfield, Neilsen, Teale, Ugo, Southgate, Alpay, Mellberg and Laursen were all better than Vlaar in a Villa shirt and that's all that counts for me. He's probably the best since Laursen but only marginally and that really, really doesn't say a lot.
There's a bloody great pic somewhere of the imperious McGrath soaring above Baggio heading the ball into the NYC sky. Absolute colossus that day. To put vlaar in that category is just mental.
There's a bloody great pic somewhere of the imperious McGrath soaring above Baggio heading the ball into the NYC sky. Absolute colossus that day. To put vlaar in that category is just mental.
Messi is arguably the greatest player the world has ever seen. Vlaar had him locked up all game. That's not my opinion. That's what happened and has been recognized the world over. McGrath put in one of the most dominant and dynamic performances in a WC game ever in 1994 of that there is no doubt. But just because Vlaar's was perhaps more a composed and disciplined display doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed in the same conversation.
My original point wasn't about one game it was the entire WC of the two players, and while the Italy game stands out for McGrath, it is possible to make a solid argument that Vlaar over a greater number of games put together more consistent displays at a very high level. It's also important not to forget the present when it is always tempting to wax lyrical about the past. Nobody is contesting McGrath's greatness, but it is possible in doing say acknowledge the greatness of others in the game today.
There's a bloody great pic somewhere of the imperious McGrath soaring above Baggio heading the ball into the NYC sky. Absolute colossus that day. To put vlaar in that category is just mental.
Messi is arguably the greatest player the world has ever seen. Vlaar had him locked up all game. That's not my opinion. That's what happened and has been recognized the world over. McGrath put in one of the most dominant and dynamic performances in a WC game ever in 1994 of that there is no doubt. But just because Vlaar's was perhaps more a composed and disciplined display doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed in the same conversation.
My original point wasn't about one game it was the entire WC of the two players, and while the Italy game stands out for McGrath, it is possible to make a solid argument that Vlaar over a greater number of games put together more consistent displays at a very high level. It's also important not to forget the present when it is always tempting to wax lyrical about the past. Nobody is contesting McGrath's greatness, but it is possible in doing say acknowledge the greatness of others in the game today.
McGrath's greatness is not measured by one performance against Italy, but over a long career with Villa. Ron has been good in a poor defence for villa and great over a few games for Holland, but McGrath was great over seasons for villa and the Republic of Ireland.
I would say Dunne and Collins were both better than him in their first season at the club. But it was downhill from there for both of them.
I would say Dunne and Collins were both better than him in their first season at the club. But it was downhill from there for both of them.
agreed. Alpay at his best was superb for Villa. Wouldnt be against selling Vlaar, his price will be inflated to 6m or so now. We should be able to get a much better less injury prone central defender for that money
Vlaar did well but you need to keep some perspective. In another situation he's given a pen away and they're out (it was a pen awell). Then he's missed that pen. Yes brave of him to step up, but poor pen. Good tournament , yes, great? No.
I would say Dunne and Collins were both better than him in their first season at the club. But it was downhill from there for both of them.
agreed. Alpay at his best was superb for Villa. Wouldnt be against selling Vlaar, his price will be inflated to 6m or so now. We should be able to get a much better less injury prone central defender for that money
Good shout Brontebilly. I agree.
I would say Dunne and Collins were both better than him in their first season at the club. But it was downhill from there for both of them.
agreed. Alpay at his best was superb for Villa. Wouldnt be against selling Vlaar, his price will be inflated to 6m or so now. We should be able to get a much better less injury prone central defender for that money
Good shout Brontebilly. I agree.
'Much better' for 6m?
Who would be available for that? Just interested.
I would say Dunne and Collins were both better than him in their first season at the club. But it was downhill from there for both of them.
agreed. Alpay at his best was superb for Villa. Wouldnt be against selling Vlaar, his price will be inflated to 6m or so now. We should be able to get a much better less injury prone central defender for that money
Good shout Brontebilly. I agree.
'Much better' for 6m?
Who would be available for that? Just interested.
My thought as well. If we could get somebody better for the money, why wouldn't a potential buyer for Vlaar not just go and buy the other player.
Maybe debate the point rather than personal insults ? Isn't that the site rules ?Vlaar did well but you need to keep some perspective. In another situation he's given a pen away and they're out (it was a pen awell). Then he's missed that pen. Yes brave of him to step up, but poor pen. Good tournament , yes, great? No.
You must be a wow at parties.
Maybe debate the point rather than personal insults ? Isn't that the site rules ?Vlaar did well but you need to keep some perspective. In another situation he's given a pen away and they're out (it was a pen awell). Then he's missed that pen. Yes brave of him to step up, but poor pen. Good tournament , yes, great? No.
You must be a wow at parties.
Maybe debate the point rather than personal insults ? Isn't that the site rules ?Vlaar did well but you need to keep some perspective. In another situation he's given a pen away and they're out (it was a pen awell). Then he's missed that pen. Yes brave of him to step up, but poor pen. Good tournament , yes, great? No.
You must be a wow at parties.
This might court controversy but Ron Vlaar's WC surpasses that of the Lord himself in '94. He was simply superb at what he was asked to do as a defender, so I don't count the penalty miss. He was asked to mark some of the best players in the game and in pretty much every contest came out on top. You could argue McGrath's game vs Italy was the single most dominant performance by Villa defender playing for his country but Vlaar vs Argentina comes close.
He has comfortably been one of the top 3 or 4 defenders at the tournament.
Vlaar isn't fit to lace the boots of McGrath in any shape or form.
He's certainly played well in the last few games though, but let's not go over the top.
It's irrelevant anyway. Apart from McGrath (obviously), Mountfield, Neilsen, Teale, Ugo, Southgate, Alpay, Mellberg and Laursen were all better than Vlaar in a Villa shirt and that's all that counts for me. He's probably the best since Laursen but only marginally and that really, really doesn't say a lot.
Agree with this 100%.
... Vlaar has looked outstanding. Not just in one game, but throughout the entire length of the biggest tournament in world football.TBF, Vlaar was slated for his performance in the game agin' the USA IIRC.
I think Vlaar always has a mistake in him, so, not that bothered if we were to sell him. I also think that it'll be interesting to see if he comes back with a big balls attitude now his country have enjoyed a good WC. It's quite simple for Villa though. Cash in, given their WC success or offer him a contract. If we do the latter, we have to have an indication that he'll sign. I don't want him to walk away for nowt.
I didn't take it that TV had gone the route of suggesting Vlaar is better than McGrath.I actually think it's what's in front of him that is what exposes Vlaar.
Only a few defenders who have ever played the game could say that, and Vlaar isn't in that elite category.
It is an interesting discussion though, at a time when players are even fitter and sharper than in the era McGrath played in, Vlaar has looked outstanding. Not just in one game, but throughout the entire length of the biggest tournament in world football. McGrath has many accolades, but he doesn't have that.
A poster mentioned it earlier, and it's a valid point: Imagine Vlaar alongside a Mellberg or a Laursen. He would have been far more highly thought of than seems to be the case at present. Equally, imagine Mellberg, Laursen or even Southgate and Ehiogu having to operate alongside some of the deadbeats that have managed to sneak their way into a Villa shirt in recent years. They had talent, for sure. But there are only so many times you can cover for the shite alongside you.
We'd be buggered if he goes. Another Okore injury (who is unknown really) and we'd have Senderos, Clark and Baker.
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
The bloody lightweight
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
The bloody lightweight
I hope we see him in the ground even if not on the pitch, him being at the friendlies would potentially be a good sign about his future
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
The bloody lightweight
I hope we see him in the ground even if not on the pitch, him being at the friendlies would potentially be a good sign about his future
He's just got back from Brazil and you expect him to turn up at Mansfield two days later?
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BEST PREMIERSHIP PLAYER
With an underwhelming World Cup performance from the Premier League contingent, Aston Villa’s Ron Vlaar has been our stand out player. Vlaar has done exceptionally well to stand up from a team who were fighting promotion[sic] to losing out on penalties in the World Cup semi final. The concrete centre half played every minute of the Netherlands brilliant campaign and his performance against Argentina will stand out as the best defensive display of the campaign, despite missing a penalty. His form will leave Villa fans relishing the prospect of their skipper lining out for them in August.
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
The bloody lightweight
I hope we see him in the ground even if not on the pitch, him being at the friendlies would potentially be a good sign about his future
He's just got back from Brazil and you expect him to turn up at Mansfield two days later?
Nope, not at all, I said hope as in, it would be nice because it might stop people assuming he's already left.
Nope, not at all, I said hope as in, it would be nice because it might stop people assuming he's already left.Presumably if he did it would make you assume he was staying.
Doubt we'll see Ron on Thursday at Mansfield.
The bloody lightweight
I hope we see him in the ground even if not on the pitch, him being at the friendlies would potentially be a good sign about his future
He's just got back from Brazil and you expect him to turn up at Mansfield two days later?
Purely out of curiosity, how long does the club give the World Cup players off? And do they all come back on the same day or is it that they return a set number of days after each of their teams left Brazil?
A guy at work said that RVP has been given three weeks off by his new club manager.RVP looked dead and buried by the time of the knockouts. I think as we saw last season, he can't really do more than a game a week. I think not resting him during that semi didn't do Holland any favours. A fresh Huntelaar leading the line throughout, could have made a difference.
Reading between the lines I think RVP's body is knackered and he'll be wrapped in cotton wool by Van Gaal.
Another Ron stat from the world cup (saw it on SSN but can't find it now) he was the tournaments fourth fastest player clocked at 20.5 mph.I remember a stat a few years ago which was similar, and they clocked Sol Campbell, then well into his 30's and duff years at this point, as one of the quickest in the Prem.
No idea over what distance or how it's measured.
Another Ron stat from the world cup (saw it on SSN but can't find it now) he was the tournaments fourth fastest player clocked at 20.5 mph.
No idea over what distance or how it's measured.
Whereas Ron just pours it on.Another Ron stat from the world cup (saw it on SSN but can't find it now) he was the tournaments fourth fastest player clocked at 20.5 mph.
No idea over what distance or how it's measured.
The three faster were all Robben from upright to turf but, of course, they were gravity assisted.
I'm glad he was slow to the ball as Ramires came through
It's nice for fans of Aston Villa that for once we can read in the media about one of our players being spoken of in glowing terms.You think about the impact he could have on all the youngsters . If we can keep him it could be a really good thing for us. I even put Roy Keane into a similar bracket, he's got a suitcase full of medals and that commands respect even if he is a psycho.
I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
He won't got to QPR. What would be the point of leaving us for them?
As for the contract, he's unlikely to stay beyond his contract, so why tell the world about it? Just let it run and, obviously behind closed doors, try and get him to sign.
I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
He won't got to QPR. What would be the point of leaving us for them?
As for the contract, he's unlikely to stay beyond his contract, so why tell the world about it? Just let it run and, obviously behind closed doors, try and get him to sign.
New deals for Vlaar, Delph and Gabby should've been sorted at the end of last season, which was 2 months ago.
I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
He won't got to QPR. What would be the point of leaving us for them?
As for the contract, he's unlikely to stay beyond his contract, so why tell the world about it? Just let it run and, obviously behind closed doors, try and get him to sign.
New deals for Vlaar, Delph and Gabby should've been sorted at the end of last season, which was 2 months ago.
But Vlaar is good enough to play for someone better than us. That's clear to all. Why bring it out in the media that he doesn't want to sign?
Probably an extra £3m salary per annum x 4 years. That's what we're probably up against with the likes of QPR spilling money all over the place .I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
He won't got to QPR. What would be the point of leaving us for them?
Probably an extra £3m salary per annum x 4 years. That's what we're probably up against with the likes of QPR spilling money all over the place .I see 'Arry is ready with a £4M bid - a bit derisory don't you think? Villa need to tie-up a longer deal with Ron asap, but, as usual, the club seem to be dragging their feet - same goes for Delph.
He won't got to QPR. What would be the point of leaving us for them?
Therein lieth the dilemna. Vlaar will want a 2 or 3 year extension to the 1 he has left and a hefty pay rise. Not sure Lerner will sanction that .
QPR signing Rio, maybe Caulker or Dawson, Dunne's still there so don't see them interested in Ron.
Former Manchester United player Paul McGrath has urged his former club to sign up Netherlands centre-back Ron Vlaar, after his brilliant performances for the Oranje at the World Cup this summer.
http://www.squawka.com/news/former-manchester-united-player-urges-club-to-sign-aston-villa-defender-ron-vlaar/143832
Former Manchester United player Paul McGrath has urged his former club to sign up Netherlands centre-back Ron Vlaar, after his brilliant performances for the Oranje at the World Cup this summer.
http://www.squawka.com/news/former-manchester-united-player-urges-club-to-sign-aston-villa-defender-ron-vlaar/143832
"Ron Vlaar would be on that list” is hardly "urging."
Former Manchester United player Paul McGrath has urged his former club to sign up Netherlands centre-back Ron Vlaar, after his brilliant performances for the Oranje at the World Cup this summer.
http://www.squawka.com/news/former-manchester-united-player-urges-club-to-sign-aston-villa-defender-ron-vlaar/143832
"Ron Vlaar would be on that list” is hardly "urging."
"Paul Mcgrath think Vlaar is a defender Man United might be interested in" Doesn't have the same ring to it.
Koeman has openly said that if Lovren goes Vlaar is an option for him. Why are they never done for tapping up?How is that suggesting that he is tapping him up? He doesn't suggest that he has spoken to him. He just says he'd be interested in signing him.
Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.
How is it different from what O'Leary got fined for saying about James Beattie?Because O'Leary was an idiot who said in an interview (and I quote) "there is a player there who wants to join us". Something that he couldn't have known without speaking to him, which Southampton hadn't given him permission to do.
Did he really say that? Blimey, no wonder he got fined. I've been nursing a sense of injustice all these years about that which now appears to have been unjustified...
Aston Villa have been found guilty and reprimanded by the FA Premier League over a charge of making an illegal approach for striker James Beattie.
But the club will not be fined after boss David O'Leary said "there is a player there who wants to join us" following a match with Southampton.
Fergiescum did it for years without penalty.He said that he'd spoken to Yorke without us giving him permission to do so?
With Yorke, Saha and countless others.
So your sense of injustice is totally rational.
Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.
Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.
I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.
Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.
That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.
I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.
Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.
That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.
Maybe that rule will be introduced in the future, but until it is then there is nothing to get too uppity about in this situation.
You seem to have linked to a page which says that you can't talk to a player without the permission of his club. Not that you can't talk about a player to people who ask you questions about him.I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.
Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.
That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.
Maybe that rule will be introduced in the future, but until it is then there is nothing to get too uppity about in this situation.
Because there are rules against it. You want a player you speak with the club first. You do not talk about it first.
http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-player-under-contract-approach-clubs.htm
But he didn't just say that he likes a player. He's talking about making a move for a player. You cannot talk about transferring a player to your club unless you speak to the other club first.*sigh*
As I said there is a difference between talking about a player and saying that you want to sign a player. Tapping up happens and everyone knows that but it's done behind the scenes. This is hardly covert as a manager is openly saying he wants to sign a player. That is what must be done by speaking with the players club first.Koeman has said “He would certainly be an option, but he is not cheap now, I think.”
to be honest I think if someone was offering you a million or two a year over and above that which you currently earn , it would be very hard at 29, with a long record of injury, to turn it down, irrespective of where the offer came from. And although undoubtedly poxy, OPR would enable Ron to join the London set.
There's no way vlaar, at 29 or so, able to sign for clubs for free from January, is going to fetch £12mLogically you are right but clubs are spending their increased TV money (except for us if course). Just yesterday baggies break transfer record and Sunderland pay £14 million for a player they had on loan. Seems to me transfer fees are going mad again so who knows what the fee could be if Vlaar leaves us.
There's no way vlaar, at 29 or so, able to sign for clubs for free from January, is going to fetch £12m
We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.
We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.
I'd definitely offer him an extension but i'm not sure about 80k a week. Besides, once you pay one player that kind of money, then others will want it as well.
We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.
I'd definitely offer him an extension but i'm not sure about 80k a week. Besides, once you pay one player that kind of money, then others will want it as well.
And he's not worth £80k per week based on the performances he's given to the Villa team over the last 2 seasons. It seems we'd be rewarding him for his international performances rather than his club ones.
We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.
If we were trying to buy him from some other club, don't you think we would be offering pay based on the most recent performances and promising to provide better players around him than he has had, to guarantee continued success at club level?
As it is, we already have him and I think some increase to acknowledge his quality and performance this summer would act as incentive to stay, as well as pointing to the return of Okore and acquisition of Senderos (and Richardson, and Cole) as indications of intent to beef up the Squad around him.
Except he didn't say that they should be considering but that he would be on a list. that in itself is obvious.
Paul McGrath reckons Man U should be considering Vlaar - thanks, Paul: Ron Vlaar is the answer to Manchester United's defensive problems - Paul McGrath (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/489700/Ron-Vlaar-is-the-answer-to-Manchester-United-s-defensive-problems-Paul-McGrath)
He's a 'Red Devils' legend apparently.
To be fair he was shocking at times last season, the Premier League is too fast for him in my opinion.it's all about the players around him. As part of a back three, I think he'd do well in the Premiership. Okore and Senderos would actually look good alongside him.
There's no denying he's had a fine WC though.
To be fair he was shocking at times last season, the Premier League is too fast for him in my opinion.it's all about the players around him. As part of a back three, I think he'd do well in the Premiership. Okore and Senderos would actually look good alongside him.
There's no denying he's had a fine WC though.
Our four best players are Guzan, Vlaar, Benteke and Delph.
There is then a considerable quality drop to the rest of them. People who go on about whether Vlaar is as good as his WC performances suggest, or whether he's good enough to play for Man United, are totally missing the point.
The point is that he is one of our best players. We already have enough of a challenge this summer getting in enough players of a higher standard than those we already have just to start to even approach something nearing acceptability next season.
It doesn't matter if Vlaar is good enough for club A or club B or if he's one of the best CBs we have had in a while. What matters is that he is clearly one of a small group of players who are significantly better than the rest of the dross that stinks out the club these days.
I will totally understand if he decides he doesn't fancy it any more, and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if our glorious leaders opted to cash in, but surely the key point here is that, regardless of whether he's good enough for this or that CL club, he is more than good enough for us, and losing him can only be a bad thing.
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.I think even with 12 months left we could easily demand, and probably get, someone to pay us over 10 mill. Short of a silly offer it's better for us to let him see out his last 12 months and then worry about replacing him next year, as opposed to selling him now.
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
Our four best players are Guzan, Vlaar, Benteke and Delph.
There is then a considerable quality drop to the rest of them. People who go on about whether Vlaar is as good as his WC performances suggest, or whether he's good enough to play for Man United, are totally missing the point.
The point is that he is one of our best players. We already have enough of a challenge this summer getting in enough players of a higher standard than those we already have just to start to even approach something nearing acceptability next season.
It doesn't matter if Vlaar is good enough for club A or club B or if he's one of the best CBs we have had in a while. What matters is that he is clearly one of a small group of players who are significantly better than the rest of the dross that stinks out the club these days.
I will totally understand if he decides he doesn't fancy it any more, and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if our glorious leaders opted to cash in, but surely the key point here is that, regardless of whether he's good enough for this or that CL club, he is more than good enough for us, and losing him can only be a bad thing.
Villa are fooked with some of these signings, but shouldnt be. Lerner does not want to invest more, but the wages have gone down, we have big tv money, give us a chance and then you can sell for more FFS
I think we'll soon be including Okore in the small list of players that are better than the rest of the dross in the squad, fingers crossed.
I think we'll soon be including Okore in the small list of players that are better than the rest of the dross in the squad, fingers crossed.
Definitely like the look of Okore. But he is quite short. From the very limited Mansfield highlights he was beaten in the air a number of times including for their goal. I hope that doesn't hold him back
I think we'll soon be including Okore in the small list of players that are better than the rest of the dross in the squad, fingers crossed.
Definitely like the look of Okore. But he is quite short. From the very limited Mansfield highlights he was beaten in the air a number of times including for their goal. I hope that doesn't hold him back
Yes and he can then bring it out from the back a bit
But worth remembering there are lots of reasons people stopped playing three at the back
It worked in some respects for Mexico and Netherlands but let's now forget they both went long spells without troubling the opposition goal.
I think you need three attack minded players ideally - 3412 or 3412 . But that does mean two in central midfield
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Commonsense v commenting with the clarity of hindsight. I'm with you, surely the time to negotiate on a 3 year contract is at the end of year 2 unless it is a young player that you have picked up and want to tie them down (as much as you can these days). Vlaar's performances in the world cup possibly came at the wrong time for us.
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
I would have started contract talks near the start of last season, surely that is good business sense to keep your assets?Had he been offered a new contract at the end of last season, this thread would be near-universal "what has he done to deserve a new contract?" type comments.
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Commonsense v commenting with the clarity of hindsight. I'm with you, surely the time to negotiate on a 3 year contract is at the end of year 2 unless it is a young player that you have picked up and want to tie them down (as much as you can these days). Vlaar's performances in the world cup possibly came at the wrong time for us.
Not quite, the time to look to tie down players like Delph and Vlaar was March/April, unfortunately we were occupied by suspending our assistant manager and 'head of football operations' and trying to reach the end of the season safely. It's fairly easy to slag the club for not sorting it before the world cup but we really do have a reasonable excuse for things stretching out a little this year, it's just unfortunate that 1 of the players involved had a better world cup than anyone would've imagined.
Vlaar is decent. Nothing special. Had more good games at the World Cup than he ever has at Villa. Not all his fault. Poor tactics and defensive partners don't help.
If Southampton have sold Lovren for £20m or whatever they will be desperate to replace him so we should demand the same for Vlaar! Even more from Man Utd.
Southampton will struggle next year
Keeping Vlaar and losing his next year for nothing, is much more important to us than selling for £4-5 million.
If a weasel like club such as QPR or indeed anyone throw big wages at Ron and we refuse to sell, we may have one pissed off player on our hands . All hypothetical of course but under these circumstances I would not expect the player to be pulling up too many trees over the coming season.
Keeping Vlaar and losing his next year for nothing, is much more important to us than selling for £4-5 million.
With Vlaar, worth remembering that he is 29 now, if he gets a four year deal, whever it be, it is going to be his last big one, which is going to make him stop and think about what he does.
With Vlaar, worth remembering that he is 29 now, if he gets a four year deal, whever it be, it is going to be his last big one, which is going to make him stop and think about what he does.
Which is why, if he does go, it will be to somebody competing at the top.
Just a hunch, but after getting to the semi-final of the World Cup, I get the feeling that money in the bank, while important, is not as important as playing in Europe or winning a pot or two. If nobody of that like comes in, then I doubt he would go to a smaller club like QPR or Southampton.
With Vlaar, worth remembering that he is 29 now, if he gets a four year deal, whever it be, it is going to be his last big one, which is going to make him stop and think about what he does.
Which is why, if he does go, it will be to somebody competing at the top.
Just a hunch, but after getting to the semi-final of the World Cup, I get the feeling that money in the bank, while important, is not as important as playing in Europe or winning a pot or two. If nobody of that like comes in, then I doubt he would go to a smaller club like QPR or Southampton.
With Vlaar, worth remembering that he is 29 now, if he gets a four year deal, whever it be, it is going to be his last big one, which is going to make him stop and think about what he does.
Which is why, if he does go, it will be to somebody competing at the top.
Just a hunch, but after getting to the semi-final of the World Cup, I get the feeling that money in the bank, while important, is not as important as playing in Europe or winning a pot or two. If nobody of that like comes in, then I doubt he would go to a smaller club like QPR or Southampton.
I think you're right.
I think if he goes - and I wouldn't blame him if he did, to be honest -it will be somewhere he'll get the chance to play in the CL.
I suspect that means a club outside England.
re Southampton or QPR, it probably reflects our new status as perennial bottom feeders that our players now get mentioned as potential targets for clubs like that. I find it highly unlikely he'd go to either of those, but can safely say that if he does, I think I will vomit up at least one, and possibly both, of my kidneys.
I can't get the picture. Am I doing something wrong?
Ok, thanks Clampy, I'm not a twitterer so won't bother. I'm guessing the kids are in Villa gear.
"We will be talking with him in due course about extending his deal"
So when the f does "due course" kick in?
We are so short sighted it's unbelievable.
"We will be talking with him in due course about extending his deal"
So when the f does "due course" kick in?
We are so short sighted it's unbelievable.
"We will be talking with him in due course about extending his deal"
So when the f does "due course" kick in?
We are so short sighted it's unbelievable.
I think probably not letting him get into the last year of his contract at all would have been the sensible thing to do.
I think probably not letting him get into the last year of his contract at all would have been the sensible thing to do.
And as was said last week, at which point during his previous two injury-plagued, inconsistent years would you have offered him the contract he now deserves?
I think probably not letting him get into the last year of his contract at all would have been the sensible thing to do.
And as was said last week, at which point during his previous two injury-plagued, inconsistent years would you have offered him the contract he now deserves?
Having watched Villa with and without him in the side last season I'd have offered him a contract extension without any hesitation. He played 32 games for us last season, he was hardly awol. Surely it was clear that we were a much better side with him in it and therefore a contract extension was a no-brainer?
Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Commonsense v commenting with the clarity of hindsight. I'm with you, surely the time to negotiate on a 3 year contract is at the end of year 2 unless it is a young player that you have picked up and want to tie them down (as much as you can these days). Vlaar's performances in the world cup possibly came at the wrong time for us.
Not quite, the time to look to tie down players like Delph and Vlaar was March/April, unfortunately we were occupied by suspending our assistant manager and 'head of football operations' and trying to reach the end of the season safely. It's fairly easy to slag the club for not sorting it before the world cup but we really do have a reasonable excuse for things stretching out a little this year, it's just unfortunate that 1 of the players involved had a better world cup than anyone would've imagined.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
We don't know when they first spoke to him.
I can see why we only offered him a 2 year deal when we signed because of his previous, can you imagine this place if we'd stuck him on a 4 year deal and he was always injured?
And then after the first season, one in which he missed nearly a third of our league games through injury, and his performances weren't always impressive when he did play, again, imagine if we'd given him a new contract last summer?
Which actually takes us to this summer. So I can understand the club waiting.
Not giving Delph a deal is bonkers though.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
He was much improved, even going into the first half of the last campaign to justify an increase - or at least an offer.
And even we weren't wholly convinced that he was the man to build the backline around longterm, tying him to a new deal would strengthen our bargaining position in the event that he had a decent World Cup and offers came in.
Similar to what Gregory did in his first year, securing contracts for the likes of Scimeca and Charles meant that we got reasonable money for them, rather than let them walk away for nowt. You don't only offer contracts to your best players, though Vlaar and Delph clearly are in that bracket for us at present.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
He was much improved, even going into the first half of the last campaign to justify an increase - or at least an offer.
And even we weren't wholly convinced that he was the man to build the backline around longterm, tying him to a new deal would strengthen our bargaining position in the event that he had a decent World Cup and offers came in.
Similar to what Gregory did in his first year, securing contracts for the likes of Scimeca and Charles meant that we got reasonable money for them, rather than let them walk away for nowt. You don't only offer contracts to your best players, though Vlaar and Delph clearly are in that bracket for us at present.
Which is exactly what got us into this mess.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
He was much improved, even going into the first half of the last campaign to justify an increase - or at least an offer.
And even we weren't wholly convinced that he was the man to build the backline around longterm, tying him to a new deal would strengthen our bargaining position in the event that he had a decent World Cup and offers came in.
Similar to what Gregory did in his first year, securing contracts for the likes of Scimeca and Charles meant that we got reasonable money for them, rather than let them walk away for nowt. You don't only offer contracts to your best players, though Vlaar and Delph clearly are in that bracket for us at present.
Which is exactly what got us into this mess.
I disagree. Securing your better players on decent contracts should be the aim of pretty much every club. It's when the likes of Stephen Ireland, Charles N'Zog and co are your biggest earners that you have problems.
Look back on this site alone and see the criticism Vlaar has got for his performances since he joined us. Think of the type of wage he would have had to be offered not to have opted to hang on until after the World Cup. Now imagine the stick the club would have got if they'd offered him such a contract.
He was much improved, even going into the first half of the last campaign to justify an increase - or at least an offer.
And even we weren't wholly convinced that he was the man to build the backline around longterm, tying him to a new deal would strengthen our bargaining position in the event that he had a decent World Cup and offers came in.
Similar to what Gregory did in his first year, securing contracts for the likes of Scimeca and Charles meant that we got reasonable money for them, rather than let them walk away for nowt. You don't only offer contracts to your best players, though Vlaar and Delph clearly are in that bracket for us at present.
Which is exactly what got us into this mess.
I disagree. Securing your better players on decent contracts should be the aim of pretty much every club. It's when the likes of Stephen Ireland, Charles N'Zog and co are your biggest earners that you have problems.
better players...Scimeca and Charles.
But we didn't know what we could offer,if anything, towards the end of the season until we were safe. At which point he was getting ready for the World Cup. Around Xmas and onwards we needed him to focus on getting safely to the magical mythical safety of 40 points.A figure we'll finally end up hitting sometime around the end of August 2014 (hopefully)
I agree but why would a relegation clause have been asked for or considered?I'd be surprised if anyone we've signed since McLeish was manager would have one in their contract anyway. It would be silly not to.
I agree but why would a relegation clause have been asked for or considered?I'd be surprised if anyone we've signed since McLeish was manager would have one in their contract anyway. It would be silly not to.
So Mirror are claiming Spurs are going to offer Holtby and Dawson, or a mix of one plus cash for Ron.....
So Mirror are claiming Spurs are going to offer Holtby and Dawson, or a mix of one plus cash for Ron.....
So Mirror are claiming Spurs are going to offer Holtby and Dawson, or a mix of one plus cash for Ron.....
I'd take that. Both of them, I mean.
Ah, it's Alan Nixon. That isn't happening.Yup, scrap that suggestion then.
So Mirror are claiming Spurs are going to offer Holtby and Dawson, or a mix of one plus cash for Ron.....
I'd take that. Both of them, I mean.
Hmmm. I remember when we did the latter a few years back and thought we had the better bargain then.
Ah, it's Alan Nixon. That isn't happening.Yup, scrap that suggestion then.
Didn't Spurs try this trick with Benteke last summer, offering about 5 players in return?
That said, 5m, Dawson and Holtby. I'd probably do the deal tbh.
So we can't offer Vlaar a bigger wage but might take 2 players in all probability currently on higher wages than Vlaar? Can't see it myself? Dawson also isn't an adequate replacement for Vlaar.
I actaully think Dawson and Holtby, plus a bit of cash would be a good deal. Dawson isn't necessairly as good as Vlaar, but given the injuries Vlaar picks up and the games he misses, that might balance out.
Holtby would be a good option for an attacking player, plus a bit of cash to maybe beef up the pot that we have to spend on central midfield.
I actaully think Dawson and Holtby, plus a bit of cash would be a good deal. Dawson isn't necessairly as good as Vlaar, but given the injuries Vlaar picks up and the games he misses, that might balance out.
Holtby would be a good option for an attacking player, plus a bit of cash to maybe beef up the pot that we have to spend on central midfield.
Dawson wouldn't be an adequate replacement, as injury prone as Vlaar and he doesn't want to leave London I understand.
Spud fans seem to have a wide range of opinions about Holtby. If the club want to get rid of him I'd suspect the manager doesn't rate him and he didn't make the german squad for Brazil.
Does Dawson really improve on Vlaar fitness wise? I seem to remember him missing half a season a couple of times in the last few years.
I've always rated Dawson, he's arguably as good as any of the 4 centre halves England took to the World Cup.Same here. Fitness could be an issue these days but no more so than Ron himself. Personally I'd have had Dawson in my side over Jagielka and the two back ups had I been Woy.
If the Mirror rumor is true then its a deal I would take, but I think its bollocks. Not only because it comes from the Mirror, but also because Pochettino likes to invest and work with younger players. Not sure Vlaar quite fits his style of center half.Interesting that Pochettino has not managed to bring in many of those seeking to leave the good ship St Mary's - is that because Levy doesn't see a good deal or does Pochettino not rate them highly enough for Spppurrrs?
If the Mirror rumor is true then its a deal I would take, but I think its bollocks. Not only because it comes from the Mirror, but also because Pochettino likes to invest and work with younger players. Not sure Vlaar quite fits his style of center half.Interesting that Pochettino has not managed to bring in many of those seeking to leave the good ship St Mary's - is that because Levy doesn't see a good deal or does Pochettino not rate them highly enough for Spppurrrs?
If the Mirror rumor is true then its a deal I would take, but I think its bollocks. Not only because it comes from the Mirror, but also because Pochettino likes to invest and work with younger players. Not sure Vlaar quite fits his style of center half.Interesting that Pochettino has not managed to bring in many of those seeking to leave the good ship St Mary's - is that because Levy doesn't see a good deal or does Pochettino not rate them highly enough for Spppurrrs?
Speculating, but maybe a deal was agreed that he couldn't take any players from Southampton? I think there have been similar deals in the past.
Whatever the state of play is with Ron, if he does go it should be twice the price to Spuds.
Those fuckers can pay us like they owe us for Jenas.
And any player exchanges can fuck off too, as that's how you end up with Stephen Fucking Ireland.
£12m is about fair I reckon. Levy is a tight fisted nob though so he'll probably bid about £3.4m
Trouble is Vlaar has a year left on his contract, he should have been sorted out last summer. Am sure this has been said before, but not read the threads
I think Vlaar has now earned the right to talk about contract extension at our great club. He was absent 1st yar good in patches second and had a great wc. 1 year extension on same pay. Throw in captains armband.....everyone's a winner
Well Lovren is off to Liverpool so we'll see what happens with Saints.
Well Lovren is off to Liverpool so we'll see what happens with Saints.
Imagine how livid we would be if our team had been gutted like theirs?Yes absolutely. I was reading an article earlier saying Luke Chambers to Arsenal now. This is quite an horrific " rape and pillage " however they do get left with a nice bank balance.
Imagine how livid we would be if our team had been gutted like theirs?Yes absolutely. I was reading an article earlier saying Luke Chambers to Arsenal now. This is quite an horrific " rape and pillage " however they do get left with a nice bank balance.
Imagine how livid we would be if our team had been gutted like theirs?Yes absolutely. I was reading an article earlier saying Luke Chambers to Arsenal now. This is quite an horrific " rape and pillage " however they do get left with a nice bank balance.
Just posted on the other clubs transfer thread that as a mediumish sized club who played some top draw football last year it just makes ya think what's the point of succeeding. Bank balance smank balance, real shame.
I think probably not letting him get into the last year of his contract at all would have been the sensible thing to do.
And as was said last week, at which point during his previous two injury-plagued, inconsistent years would you have offered him the contract he now deserves?
Having watched Villa with and without him in the side last season I'd have offered him a contract extension without any hesitation. He played 32 games for us last season, he was hardly awol. Surely it was clear that we were a much better side with him in it and therefore a contract extension was a no-brainer?
From last week in case you missed it. Hopefully save us all several million inconvenienced electrons having the same circular argument.Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Commonsense v commenting with the clarity of hindsight. I'm with you, surely the time to negotiate on a 3 year contract is at the end of year 2 unless it is a young player that you have picked up and want to tie them down (as much as you can these days). Vlaar's performances in the world cup possibly came at the wrong time for us.
Not quite, the time to look to tie down players like Delph and Vlaar was March/April, unfortunately we were occupied by suspending our assistant manager and 'head of football operations' and trying to reach the end of the season safely. It's fairly easy to slag the club for not sorting it before the world cup but we really do have a reasonable excuse for things stretching out a little this year, it's just unfortunate that 1 of the players involved had a better world cup than anyone would've imagined.
Who's job is it to ensure instances such as this do not happen ie. club captain entering final year of contract with no offer of a new deal ? Owner ? CEO ? Manager ? Commercial director ?
The club is an absolute joke right now !
Do you really believe that we will let Fabian Delph just walk away from the club for nothing? I mean do you honestly believe that?
Do you really believe that we will let Fabian Delph just walk away from the club for nothing? I mean do you honestly believe that?
To be fair, if he decides to do that - ie see out the final year of his contract - we can't stop him from doing it. Unless, of course, we sell him.
Vlaar will not be going to Southampton. It just won't happen.Under this regime anything is viable.
Well why aren't we talking to him now, TV?
Nursey reckons Southampton will bid for Vlaar.
I've never been a massive fan of Vlaar but to lose our best centreback to a club the size of them is simply out of the question. I'd expect us to laugh the bid off but does Lerner really care that much these days??
Well why aren't we talking to him now, TV?
I don't believe much of what is made public. I expect him to sign a new deal with us. Lambert has said he'll sit down with those players. I have no reason not to believe him given that has he has tied down pretty much all of our players deserving of new deals. If he managed to get Benteke to sign against all odds, I'm not worried about Delph.
Who is actually leading any of these negotiations though (if they are happening) Lerner nope, Faulkner nope, lambert nope. I'm convinced the club are sleepwalking into another mess.
Vlaar will not be going to Southampton. It just won't happen.Under this regime anything is viable.
Especially for vfl and Silhilvilla.
Maybe we should post this once a day to refresh the reasons why, in this instance, the club hasn't fucked up.I think probably not letting him get into the last year of his contract at all would have been the sensible thing to do.
And as was said last week, at which point during his previous two injury-plagued, inconsistent years would you have offered him the contract he now deserves?
Having watched Villa with and without him in the side last season I'd have offered him a contract extension without any hesitation. He played 32 games for us last season, he was hardly awol. Surely it was clear that we were a much better side with him in it and therefore a contract extension was a no-brainer?
From last week in case you missed it. Hopefully save us all several million inconvenienced electrons having the same circular argument.Trouble is, we have fecked up by letting his contract wind down, great business not.
When we signed the first batch of Lambert's signings, there was general approval of only signing them up on 3 year contracts so that se didn't get stitched with unwanted players with 2-3 years left on long contracts as with a the likes of Beye.
After his first season, where he'd looked off the pace and spent a large chunk of the season injured, he had done nothing to justify a new contract.
At the point where we could have sensibly offered a new contract during the course of last season he was injured again, casting further doubts on his long term fitness.
Once we approached the end of the season there was never going to be any contact negotiations, first we were too busy worrying about survival (again), followed by Vlaar departing for Brazil.
He's now on a well earned holiday and the earliest anything can happen is on his return.
When would you have offered a new contract?
Commonsense v commenting with the clarity of hindsight. I'm with you, surely the time to negotiate on a 3 year contract is at the end of year 2 unless it is a young player that you have picked up and want to tie them down (as much as you can these days). Vlaar's performances in the world cup possibly came at the wrong time for us.
Not quite, the time to look to tie down players like Delph and Vlaar was March/April, unfortunately we were occupied by suspending our assistant manager and 'head of football operations' and trying to reach the end of the season safely. It's fairly easy to slag the club for not sorting it before the world cup but we really do have a reasonable excuse for things stretching out a little this year, it's just unfortunate that 1 of the players involved had a better world cup than anyone would've imagined.
Same as it is rolled out that it is the club's fault they haven't signed new contracts. Truth is none of us know the full facts.
That sounds like a consistent (if fuckwitted) strategy to me.It seems to me far more likely that Lerner led Lambert to believe that the club would be sold sooner rather than later and that the contracts of key players would get sorted out by a new owner.
Which confirms that we don't know the full facts.
I can't see the Southampton thing at all. They are a side that has pretty much just sold all of their best players to help clear their debts, after coming off a world cup where he has been lauded by all and sundry surely he would set his sights a little higher if looking for a move (which I am far from convinced is the case anyway).
I honestly think he will only leave for a truly better side and by that I mean a CL side or maybe manure if van gaal came calling. But we've said he isn't for sale.I think that's very naive . He'll leave for someone offering a great contract.
He can't leave for anyone for another 12 months. He can't be offered a 'great contract' until then unless we give them permission to speak to him.I honestly think he will only leave for a truly better side and by that I mean a CL side or maybe manure if van gaal came calling. But we've said he isn't for sale.I think that's very naive . He'll leave for someone offering a great contract.
Lambert has also said that there has been no offers so far. I tend to think the Southampton link is lazy press based on the manager being Dutch, and them having sold/about to sell a centre back... Also I think they are closing in on a deal for a another defender?
Lambert has also said that there has been no offers so far. I tend to think the Southampton link is lazy press based on the manager being Dutch, and them having sold/about to sell a centre back... Also I think they are closing in on a deal for a another defender?
Far be it from me to defend those lazy bastards in the media, but I think the link comes from their manager naming him as a possible replacement in a press conference.
This keeps getting rolled out like its a definitive answer and in some way an end to the debate. Whether you agree or not, there are still those of us who think the club have made a mistake in allowing Vlaar and Delph's contracts to run this far without being renewed. And if we're really expected to cut the club some slack because they were too busy dealing with the Culverhouse/Karsa fiasco, then we really are in a mess.
This keeps getting rolled out like its a definitive answer and in some way an end to the debate. Whether you agree or not, there are still those of us who think the club have made a mistake in allowing Vlaar and Delph's contracts to run this far without being renewed. And if we're really expected to cut the club some slack because they were too busy dealing with the Culverhouse/Karsa fiasco, then we really are in a mess.
Fair enough, you're getting fed up of regularly seeing this trotted out.
Some of us are fed up with the assertion that everything to do with the club is unremittingly FUBAR.
Let's try it from another perspective.
I've explained why I think it's not unreasonable to have ended up here with Vlaar's contract, based on consensus around his fitness, performance levels and external distractions.
Can you specifically say when you'd have offered one, justified by his performances and taking into account whatever else was going on at the club that is now public knowledge?
This keeps getting rolled out like its a definitive answer and in some way an end to the debate. Whether you agree or not, there are still those of us who think the club have made a mistake in allowing Vlaar and Delph's contracts to run this far without being renewed. And if we're really expected to cut the club some slack because they were too busy dealing with the Culverhouse/Karsa fiasco, then we really are in a mess.
Fair enough, you're getting fed up of regularly seeing this trotted out.
Some of us are fed up with the assertion that everything to do with the club is unremittingly FUBAR.
Let's try it from another perspective.
I've explained why I think it's not unreasonable to have ended up here with Vlaar's contract, based on consensus around his fitness, performance levels and external distractions.
Can you specifically say when you'd have offered one, justified by his performances and taking into account whatever else was going on at the club that is now public knowledge?
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
This keeps getting rolled out like its a definitive answer and in some way an end to the debate. Whether you agree or not, there are still those of us who think the club have made a mistake in allowing Vlaar and Delph's contracts to run this far without being renewed. And if we're really expected to cut the club some slack because they were too busy dealing with the Culverhouse/Karsa fiasco, then we really are in a mess.
Fair enough, you're getting fed up of regularly seeing this trotted out.
Some of us are fed up with the assertion that everything to do with the club is unremittingly FUBAR.
Let's try it from another perspective.
I've explained why I think it's not unreasonable to have ended up here with Vlaar's contract, based on consensus around his fitness, performance levels and external distractions.
Can you specifically say when you'd have offered one, justified by his performances and taking into account whatever else was going on at the club that is now public knowledge?
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
So with a week left then, so you think a player who is playing 1 more club game before going to join up with his world cup squad was going to be happy to discuss a new contract? Add on that there was a very public "I'll share my plans at the end of the season" from the owner hanging over the club; as a player would you want to discuss a new contract when you might be a week from being told that a multi-billionaire has taken us over?
typical in so much as the most important two have not been tied down to new contracts.
He's most likely to leave for a club that offers a decent contract and - more importantly - the prospect of Euro football. That's why Sourhampton would be second choice for him, behind other - not yet declared - interested parties. I would say Villa is at least as interesting to him as Sourhampton (and maybe more so if a new buyer arrives with loads of lucre to lavish on key players).
I think that's very naive . He'll leave for someone either a great contract.
other less influential players have received new contracts this summer ahead of Ron and Fabian, which in my opinion, is a managerial mistake.
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
other less influential players have received new contracts this summer ahead of Ron and Fabian, which in my opinion, is a managerial mistake.
Do you think they may have been offered them but haven't signed yet, or does that not fit the narrative?
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke, Gardner, Robinson and I think Grealish. Might be more but they are the ones I remember.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke, Gardner, Robinson and I think Grealish. Might be more but they are the ones I remember.
But doesn't the fact that these players have all had contract extensions in the last year support the worry that there's been a breakdown in the running of the club in recent months that's lead to the same not happening for Vlaar and Delph?
NoLast summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Thanks.How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Clark, Baker, Weimann, Benteke, Gardner, Robinson and I think Grealish. Might be more but they are the ones I remember.
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke, Gardner, Robinson and I think Grealish. Might be more but they are the ones I remember.
But doesn't the fact that these players have all had contract extensions in the last year support the worry that there's been a breakdown in the running of the club in recent months that's lead to the same not happening for Vlaar and Delph?
No, not at all. They were all offered new contracts at the time, which is what mattered at the time.
How is typical when they have given out at least 7 new contracts to players already at the club in the last 12 months?7 ? Really ? Who ?
Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke, Gardner, Robinson and I think Grealish. Might be more but they are the ones I remember.
But doesn't the fact that these players have all had contract extensions in the last year support the worry that there's been a breakdown in the running of the club in recent months that's lead to the same not happening for Vlaar and Delph?
No, not at all. They were all offered new contracts at the time, which is what mattered at the time.
I think you've missed the point.
Surely our pro-activity in offering contracts last summer makes our lack of doing so this yearmore of a worry this year
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Issue with Delph is he's probably already on a high wage (he was signed at the height of the MON spending profligacy). Any new deal may involve a pay cut??
Depends what his current deal is I guess and how that sits with the ever changing wage policy .Issue with Delph is he's probably already on a high wage (he was signed at the height of the MON spending profligacy). Any new deal may involve a pay cut??
I can't see them offering less if they want him to stay. He may well be happy with what he's on.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
the wage policy has never been about how much we pay individual players. More that we don't pay players that don't deserve it stupid amounts of money to sit on their arses. It has also been a constituent of revenues. We have rewarded those players with new deals that deserved it and moved on in a number of instances those that didn't. Obviously one or two of those still remain and now will form a part of the squad this season. Vlaar and Delph will be offered good contracts with us because they have become important players, just as Guzan and Benteke were.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
the wage policy has never been about how much we pay individual players. More that we don't pay players that don't deserve it stupid amounts of money to sit on their arses. It has also been a constituent of revenues. We have rewarded those players with new deals that deserved it and moved on in a number of instances those that didn't. Obviously one or two of those still remain and now will form a part of the squad this season. Vlaar and Delph will be offered good contracts with us because they have become important players, just as Guzan and Benteke were.
Are you sure about that? Don't you mean everything's just shit?
Worth a read to remember what a lot here thought of Delph not so long ago.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44249.0
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.
Worth a read to remember what a lot here thought of Delph not so long ago.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44249.0
To be fair the last post was over two years ago, so not sure how much this relates to his current worth. He seems to want to sign a new contract and that is good for our club. I think he is a talent and hopefully will continue to improve
I was watching Channel 4 News earlier. They had a feature about the goings on at Blackpool. Now that's a badly run club.
I was watching Channel 4 News earlier. They had a feature about the goings on at Blackpool. Now that's a badly run club.The family that run the club are crooks.
Worth a read to remember what a lot here thought of Delph not so long ago.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44249.0
To be fair the last post was over two years ago, so not sure how much this relates to his current worth. He seems to want to sign a new contract and that is good for our club. I think he is a talent and hopefully will continue to improve
It's to show that until recently he wasn't considered good enough by the majority so it took more than just a few months for him to deserve a new contract as virtually none of us would have offered him one. The fact it is from over 2 years ago is the important part as it's only the last 6 months or so he has fully deserved a new contract by showing he can perform consistently at this level.
He now deserves it. Let's see if he gets one before going all Rita Hayworth.
I was watching Channel 4 News earlier. They had a feature about the goings on at Blackpool. Now that's a badly run club.
And Southampton are cashing in onmost of their good players.anything not nailed down.
Worth a read to remember what a lot here thought of Delph not so long ago.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44249.0
To be fair the last post was over two years ago, so not sure how much this relates to his current worth. He seems to want to sign a new contract and that is good for our club. I think he is a talent and hopefully will continue to improve
It's to show that until recently he wasn't considered good enough by the majority so it took more than just a few months for him to deserve a new contract as virtually none of us would have offered him one. The fact it is from over 2 years ago is the important part as it's only the last 6 months or so he has fully deserved a new contract by showing he can perform consistently at this level.
He now deserves it. Let's see if he gets one before going all Rita Hayworth.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating fact in that the club is being run badly at the moment. Do you disagree?
I would say he has been playing well for well over a season tbh. I agree he has had major injury problems, lets hope they have been sorted out now, though still worries me with some of his challenges.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating fact in that the club is being run badly at the moment. Do you disagree?
Yes you are moaning and the reason you're giving hasn't happened yet.
Worth a read to remember what a lot here thought of Delph not so long ago.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44249.0
This discussion is quite specifically about the here-and-now of the club and this contract situation. What people thought of him before he'd had a real injury-free run in the side bears no relevance to what's going on now whatsoever. Unless I've missed people saying that he should have been offered a long term contract 2 summers ago?
This discussion is quite specifically about the here-and-now of the club and this contract situation. What people thought of him before he'd had a real injury-free run in the side bears no relevance to what's going on now whatsoever. Unless I've missed people saying that he should have been offered a long term contract 2 summers ago?
It's also about when he actually deserved one. Up until about Christmas when he had shown he could perform at this level consistently he didn't deserve a new contract.
Unless i've missed something and we should automatically give a new contract to someone for playing well for 5 months. In which Ireland would still be here with a new contract signed after his performances for the last 5 months under McLeish.
This discussion is quite specifically about the here-and-now of the club and this contract situation. What people thought of him before he'd had a real injury-free run in the side bears no relevance to what's going on now whatsoever. Unless I've missed people saying that he should have been offered a long term contract 2 summers ago?
It's also about when he actually deserved one. Up until about Christmas when he had shown he could perform at this level consistently he didn't deserve a new contract.
Unless i've missed something and we should automatically give a new contract to someone for playing well for 5 months. In which Ireland would still be here with a new contract signed after his performances for the last 5 months under McLeish.
As I mentioned earlier, in my opinion we should have been offering them both new contracts as soon as we were safe. Well in advance of pre-season and, in Vlaar's case, the World Cup.
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating fact in that the club is being run badly at the moment. Do you disagree?
Yes you are moaning and the reason you're giving hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating my views. You chose not to answer my question by the way but never mind
Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
player of the year he most certainly wasnt and I am sure you could drag up a thread saying that lol
player of the year he most certainly wasnt and I am sure you could drag up a thread saying that lol
Last summer we gave out a bunch of new deals, which drew criticism from some on here. Neither Vlaar or Delph warranted one at the time. One was called as the worst defender ever to play for Villa and missed a third of the season, the other was described as the worst player to ever play for Villa, and finally put in a decent 6 months after 5 years at the club and who has admitted "he went missing for a few years".
We are now at the stage that both are deserving new contracts, let's see what actually happens.
Worst defender to play for Villa, that is some statement lol. As for worst player to play for Villa re Delph that is even more laughable. Not many clubs let their best players winf down their contracts, but such is Aston Villa these days
Such is Aston Villa that it hasn't happened yet so is there any chance you might save the hyperbolistic nonsense until it does?
Why is it nonsense and how am i exaggerating? We need to get our best players signed up before we lose them for nothing, surely?
Because what you're moaning about hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating fact in that the club is being run badly at the moment. Do you disagree?
Yes you are moaning and the reason you're giving hasn't happened yet.
Not moaning at all, just stating my views. You chose not to answer my question by the way but never mind
If that's not moaning I'd hate to see you when you are. I didn't answer your question because it had no relevance to the point in hand.
Well you wont get that chance. Selective answering me thinks. I am allowed an opinion and if you dont agree fair enough. If you are happy with the way the club is being run at the moment fair enough, I think we and any club needs to get their better players signed up well in advance of a year left on their contract, but maybe I am wrong.
I thought the Ireland player of the season vote was some form of joke by the fans?
If you are happy with the way the club is being run at the moment fair enough.
I didnt say you were or you werent did I?
He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?
Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.
He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.
It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?
Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.
As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.
Inspired response lol
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?
Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.
As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?
In terms of vlaar and his new deal, I think we should put the WC (what a tournament ) to one side and not let that influence the deal. He's worth the same to us as he was before the WC (what a tournament).
As soon as we were mathematically safe last season I would have offered them both new deals. I really don't see why anything else going on at the club should be an acceptable reason to neglect the contract situation of two of our best players.Before we go any further can you confirm which version of mathematically safe we're using?
And it's the assertion that you're somehow saving everybody the time and effort of the debate by telling us your opinion that I'm getting fed up with. It's almost as lazy as as the implication that those of us unhappy with the situation are just looking to criticise the club at every opportunity. It's just not the case.
The point at which we'd beaten Chelsea and actually had the points we needed, even though we didn't know it at the time, or the point at which we couldn't be caught by 18th place?
Oh and lazy is not bothering to answer the second and most relevant part of the question, justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time.
As soon as we knew we were safe would have been the logical time in my opinion. And I'm honestly not sure which part of the question I haven't answered but will gladly attempt to if you can refresh my memory?
OK. Re the safe bit, I'll repeat
1. Which version of mathematically safe are we using (given that immediately after the season there was quite a debate about it I'd like to know be certain as to which point in time you're referring to.)
a) After the home win v Chelsea, the point at which we'd accrued the necessary points to survive.
b) The point at which we couldn't be caught ny 18th place.
As for the missing answer -
"justify the timing of contract offer in the context of performances and other events around the club at the time."
To say that nothing else should have got in the way is to pretend that each issue exists in a bubble that is totally isolated from all other issues / problems.
No more back from me tonight. Hour in front of you and need to up be at 5am.
Yes & no.In terms of vlaar and his new deal, I think we should put the WC (what a tournament ) to one side and not let that influence the deal. He's worth the same to us as he was before the WC (what a tournament).
As always, he's worth what somebody is willing to pay.After the world cup his stock has risen.
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.
Inspired response lol
It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.
Inspired response lol
It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.
I do, and maybe you can accept some sad people dont agree with you lol. You did not wish to engage in a conversation, your choice
As I said, that means a week before the end of the season, with 2 games to be played (I said one earlier, I forgot about the rearranged one in midweek). Do you think the players would've signed a new deal if it were offered that week?
As has been pointed out before, we've handed out plenty of new contracts in the last 2 summers, not one of which has been discussed during the season, making it pretty clear that the window where we deal with contracts starts after the end of the season.
For Vlaar that means he went off to the world cup as soon as that window starts. Even then it's a problem because he happened to have an unbelievably good world cup.
If the season kicks off and contracts aren't in place then it's a fair time to start complaining but right now you all come across as if you're looking for things to be pissed off about.
As an aside I have no idea why Delph hasn't had his situation dealt with but we have quotes saying he wants a new deal and that we want to offer him one so it's safe to think that will happen soon.
I made a point stating if you are happy, didnt say you were, you seem to have a problem with me, am I not allowed an opinion. I am never rude and have loved the club since the old third division. You seem intent on having little digs at me, please get over it
Congratulations. You are the hundredth poster to say a variation of "Am I not allowed an opinion?" because someone's disagreed with you.
Inspired response lol
It isn't as though I haven't had enough practice. Now please accept that if you have an "opinion" there's a good chance someone will disagree with it.
I do, and maybe you can accept some sad people dont agree with you lol. You did not wish to engage in a conversation, your choice
Hang on. So you can say what you like but I'm not allowed to disagree?
No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.
It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it
No doubt he will have a blinder / score against us in a couple of weeks.He played well at chelsea. Other than that I recall nothing of note however he did always come over and clap the away support which would have curried favour with quite a few.Ireland wasn't good for 5 mins let alone 5 months. Delph was ok amongst a bad bunch last season. He's worth keeping but not being held to ransom over any pay demands.
As big a twat as I think Ireland is, he had a good spell for us for a few months that season which is why he ended up Player of the Year.
It was a piss take giving him the player of year award. However he has the potential to be a top class player, such a shame his attitude may not allow it
God I hope not because the orgasmic fluids emitting from you will drown half of Norfolk.
Eh? you actually not only openly admit to taking part in this but openly share this with other human beings? Including love-ones??? If my nearest and dearest saw any of this Shit I'd be banned from their real life.
He has a year left on his contract, doubt we will get top dollar
Prior to the WC if someone offered us £6-7m we'd have likely taken it and considered ourselves lucky.
As I said, that means a week before the end of the season, with 2 games to be played (I said one earlier, I forgot about the rearranged one in midweek). Do you think the players would've signed a new deal if it were offered that week?
I don't know if they'd have signed it, but that certainly wouldn't have stopped me from making an offer to let the player know they were wanted and to show the supporters my intent to keep our best players.QuoteFor Vlaar that means he went off to the world cup as soon as that window starts. Even then it's a problem because he happened to have an unbelievably good world cup.
As another poster (KevinGage I think) reasoned, we can't use Vlaar having a good World Cup as an excuse for the situation.QuoteIf the season kicks off and contracts aren't in place then it's a fair time to start complaining but right now you all come across as if you're looking for things to be pissed off about.
It's not being pissed off Paul, it's being genuinely worried. We've had 4 successively poor seasons, the club is up for sale and seemingly without a new owner in the pipeline. FWIW, I'm not negative about everything at the moment and am one if the few posters who thinks that Roy Keane will have a positive effect. I genuinely admire your positive outlook and wish I shared it, but I'm afraid I'm just worried at the moment.
My optimism hat suggests that the reason new offers have not been made is because the size of any deal is beyond the current 'holding strategy' and will addressed by the new owners (absolutely zero ITK here by the way before anyone asks).
For all we know the new guys might be planning a £20m raid for [insert CB] and therefore £10m for Vlaar might be seen as good business for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract. If there were no buyers on the horizon then you'd think extending the deals for Vlaar and Delph would be pretty high on the 'To Do List' even for a chairman who is looking to limit spending, so the silence hopefully suggests something is happening behind the scenes.
What's the difference between making an offer that the player is unlikely to sign and telling the player that you would like to have full contract discussion in pre-season?
For the world cup it's not an excuse, it's an explanation, pessimists regularly get the 2 confused, no one would be panicking that Man Utd were going to come in and take Vlaar if he hadn't just had a fantastic world cup. If he'd had an average world cup most of stories linking him with x,y,z wouldn't have appeared and most people would be expecting to hear about a new deal in the next few weeks.
Genuinely worry about things worth worrying about, like the gap in midfield that is yet to be addressed. Vlaar is still under contract for another year and can't even talk to other clubs for 5 months, the incentive for us to sell him this summer is very small unless there is an offer well in advance of those suggested in the press. The 1 time we've had a player in high demand with a year left on his deal we got a huge fee for him, I see no reason why this should be any different. As with Benteke last summer this leaves us in a position where Vlaar is worth more to us than he is to any of the sides who'd be interested, I didn't think Benteke was leaving last summer and I have the same feeling this year with Ron.
To replace Ron would be expensive. Say £8m fee and a £50k a week 4 year deal to someone, so all in £18m outlay.
Prior to the WC if someone offered us £6-7m we'd have likely taken it and considered ourselves lucky.
If we'd have sold Vlaar for £7m prior to the World Cup it would have ranked as one of the most stupid transfer deals in the club's history for me. We would have been left with Clark, Baker and Okore as our centre-back options and very little money to find a replacement at a time when the Market is ridiculously over-inflated.
To replace Ron would be expensive. Say £8m fee and a £50k a week 4 year deal to someone, so all in £18m outlay.
Not necessarily. He only cost us £4m himself and Okore cost the same.
To replace Ron would be expensive. Say £8m fee and a £50k a week 4 year deal to someone, so all in £18m outlay.
Not necessarily. He only cost us £4m himself and Okore cost the same.
What has Okore done to put in the same bracket as Vlaar? I think there could be some disappointed folk about come Xmas when they realise Okore is not the next Baresi.
To replace Ron would be expensive. Say £8m fee and a £50k a week 4 year deal to someone, so all in £18m outlay.
Not necessarily. He only cost us £4m himself and Okore cost the same.
What has Okore done to put in the same bracket as Vlaar? I think there could be some disappointed folk about come Xmas when they realise Okore is not the next Baresi.
A bit unfair seeing as he's hardly kicked a ball for us yet.
May as well hope that he's great than fingers crossed that he's not shit though. Surely that's the point.
He looked good when he started to get a run together in the team and got a horrible injury. he looks strong, quick, and can read a game. Can pass the thing too. Yes, it's early and yes he may be rubbish. The few glimpses so far suggest that he could be good. Why not cling to that rather than being an eeyore?
To replace Ron would be expensive. Say £8m fee and a £50k a week 4 year deal to someone, so all in £18m outlay.
Not necessarily. He only cost us £4m himself and Okore cost the same.
Who has compared him to Vlaar? I've seen people's opinions but nothing that compares him to vlaar. I haven't gone back any further than a page and a bit though.
Who has compared him to Vlaar? I've seen people's opinions but nothing that compares him to vlaar. I haven't gone back any further than a page and a bit though.
No-one's compared him Vlaar as I can see either.
Who has compared him to Vlaar? I've seen people's opinions but nothing that compares him to vlaar. I haven't gone back any further than a page and a bit though.
No-one's compared him Vlaar as I can see either.
Then why on earth mention him in reference to how cheaply Vlaar could be replaced?!
Who has compared him to Vlaar? I've seen people's opinions but nothing that compares him to vlaar. I haven't gone back any further than a page and a bit though.
No-one's compared him Vlaar as I can see either.
Then why on earth mention him in reference to how cheaply Vlaar could be replaced?!
I was responding to Sillihvilla's post that it could cost up to £8m to replace Vlaar which might not be the case if we shop around. In mentioning Okore and the fact that he cost us £4m was just highlighting that it's possible to bring in a defender for a reasonable fee. There was no comparison with Vlaar at all.
Who has compared him to Vlaar? I've seen people's opinions but nothing that compares him to vlaar. I haven't gone back any further than a page and a bit though.
No-one's compared him Vlaar as I can see either.
Then why on earth mention him in reference to how cheaply Vlaar could be replaced?!
I was responding to Sillihvilla's post that it could cost up to £8m to replace Vlaar which might not be the case if we shop around. In mentioning Okore and the fact that he cost us £4m was just highlighting that it's possible to bring in a defender for a reasonable fee. There was no comparison with Vlaar at all.
Yeah, ok! You may as well have highlighted bringing in Senderos on a free if that was the point you were trying to make!
So you're point was that it wouldn't be expensive to replace Vlaar, because we could easily bring in an inferior player cheaply....?!
So you're point was that it wouldn't be expensive to replace Vlaar, because we could easily bring in an inferior player cheaply....?!
My point was that if we can bring in a Dutch international for £4m and a Danish international for £4m like we have done, there's no reason why we can't do it again if we scout around properly.
So you're point was that it wouldn't be expensive to replace Vlaar, because we could easily bring in an inferior player cheaply....?!
My point was that if we can bring in a Dutch international for £4m and a Danish international for £4m like we have done, there's no reason why we can't do it again if we scout around properly.
Whilst at the same time not comparing the two players....?
oooohhhh kaaayyyyy then.
Okore looks quick and good on the ball, the worry I have about him is he seems a bit short and can be vulnerable at heading.
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"Don't look into the eyes, look around the eyes!"
Hopes & Fears .May as well hope that he's great than fingers crossed that he's not shit though. Surely that's the point.
Hope's one thing, expectation is another.
So you're point was that it wouldn't be expensive to replace Vlaar, because we could easily bring in an inferior player cheaply....?!
My point was that if we can bring in a Dutch international for £4m and a Danish international for £4m like we have done, there's no reason why we can't do it again if we scout around properly.
Whilst at the same time not comparing the two players....?
oooohhhh kaaayyyyy then.
I wasn't comparing anybody to anyone, you just thought I was.
So you're point was that it wouldn't be expensive to replace Vlaar, because we could easily bring in an inferior player cheaply....?!
My point was that if we can bring in a Dutch international for £4m and a Danish international for £4m like we have done, there's no reason why we can't do it again if we scout around properly.
Whilst at the same time not comparing the two players....?
oooohhhh kaaayyyyy then.
I wasn't comparing anybody to anyone, you just thought I was.
Sorry to wade in, but you were comparing two players on the basis they are £4m international defenders. Might be time to stop digging sorry!
It doesn't seem that difficult to understand Clampy.
I placed the £8m estimate on replacing vlaar as just that , an estimate. That was based on a like for like replacement rather than an up and coming prospect.
It's an of not mentioned point that more than Benteke being out, Vlaar's absence usually ended in a defeat.
In listening to Talkshite at the moment (until the shit games are over). I kid you not a Southampton fan has just been debating whether Vlaar will not would be good enough for them.That's what you get if you listen to TalkShite.
Ron's been talking....
Vlaar: "I still have a contract for a year and understand that Villa definitely do not want to lose me."
He is also reported to have said
@football_oranje: Ron Vlaar, "Soon I'm going with my agent to the table and then we will go through the various options.'' (Fox Sports) #AVFC
Yes I just hope we offer him a contract that's close to what he'll get offered elsewhere. I'm just not sure we will
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.I think it depends on the offer in question and the age of the player. If it were Benteke or Delph, probably not.
I really don't think we can afford to lose him. Even if it means losing him on a free next year. I've no confidence in replacing him adequately
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when the ownership situation is up in the air, the team aren't very good as it is and the club is in extreme cost cutting mode so god knows what the terms on the extension will even be.
Even thought it was whilst being a regular first teamer for us that he finally made it onto the world stage. And even though we have shown incredible patience and loyalty by standing by him despite knowing and being proved right on his injury record?
At 29 Ron is possibly in last chance saloon of a super contract if he can get one. He performed well enough at WC to cash in. If he stays with us and let's his contract run out than he will not be in a similar good position next year
At 29 Ron is possibly in last chance saloon of a super contract if he can get one. He performed well enough at WC to cash in. If he stays with us and let's his contract run out than he will not be in a similar good position next year. So he would want 4 years at at least £50K and we are not going to offer that just now.
Losing Vlaar to a big club with ambition is one thing, losing him to the mighty Southampton is another. God help us if we sell to that bunch of nobodies.
iEven thought it was whilst being a regular first teamer for us that he finally made it onto the world stage. And even though we have shown incredible patience and loyalty by standing by him despite knowing and being proved right on his injury record?
Like footballers give a shit about that.
How were we proved right on his injury record, btw? What could we do other than "stand by him"?
He owes us nothing. Two things will come into it, ambition and money, and it's hard to imagine us offering enough of one of those, and pretty much impossible to imagine the other.
The situation won't have been helped with all those fans giving Vlaar dogs abuse at the end of the Swansea game last season.
Agree that was slightly tongue in cheek.The situation won't have been helped with all those fans giving Vlaar dogs abuse at the end of the Swansea game last season.
If he leaves he won't be leaving because of the fans.
He is also reported to have said3 options or variations on a theme.
@football_oranje: Ron Vlaar, "Soon I'm going with my agent to the table and then we will go through the various options.'' (Fox Sports) #AVFC
Even thought it was whilst being a regular first teamer for us that he finally made it onto the world stage. And even though we have shown incredible patience and loyalty by standing by him despite knowing and being proved right on his injury record?
Like footballers give a shit about that.
How were we proved right on his injury record, btw? What could we do other than "stand by him"?
He owes us nothing. Two things will come into it, ambition and money, and it's hard to imagine us offering enough of one of those, and pretty much impossible to imagine the other.
He may be free however he will be a year older and may have an average season with us which means his WC performance will be a distance memory and no choice other than QPRs of this world.At 29 Ron is possibly in last chance saloon of a super contract if he can get one. He performed well enough at WC to cash in. If he stays with us and let's his contract run out than he will not be in a similar good position next year
Not too sure about that
If he waits a year, he'll be available on a free, which translates to better wages and a bigger signing on fee.
Way I see if it is that if he is to go it has to be for big more money or there's no point. From a personal point of view if he went to Man Utd I couldn't really argue with his decision, but Southampton would annoy me.
I really don't think Vlaar will be interested in going to the St Mary's Celeste.
I still think Vlaar is a very good player who has suffered from having to cover for Baker week in, week out.
You won't get 10 Million for him because he is on the last year of his contract and is nearly 30.
If he doesn't want to sign a new contract, then sell. Simple as that
We'll still be in this state of shit next summer so i'd rather sell and replace with the funds now than have him leave for nowt and have to replace with nowt next summer
I like Ron, but he's no McGrath, Laursen or even Mellberg. If we get an offer of 10m i'd say SELL and replace
You won't get 10 Million for him because he is on the last year of his contract and is nearly 30.
If he doesn't want to sign a new contract, then sell. Simple as that
We'll still be in this state of shit next summer so i'd rather sell and replace with the funds now than have him leave for nowt and have to replace with nowt next summer
I like Ron, but he's no McGrath, Laursen or even Mellberg. If we get an offer of 10m i'd say SELL and replace
I like Ron, but he's no McGrath, Laursen or even Mellberg. If we get an offer of 10m i'd say SELL and replace
Southampton will be desperate. By the time the window closes they'll have lost almost every single one of their key players from the last season. Fully expect them to pay over the odds for the replacements. And likewise, the fees they've been getting for their players, essentially the best of a mid-table club, have been utterly ludicrous. Latest rumours are a 35mill double swoop for Rodriguez and Schneiderlin apparently, which if that were too happen, would be ludicrous. These Soton players are good, but nothing close to being great.
If they want Ron they can pay silly money. We can name our price. If they really want him, they'll probably pay it too, and in about a week or two, Saints fans will be getting very restless, particularly if they've sold more key players and not replaced them.
If Luiz is 50m, Zat Knight is 12! Vlaar is 95m plus add ons!
I see Hangeland is still up for grabs. If Vlaar won't sign a new deal, get as much as we can for him and get the giant in for a year for nowt whilst we await our saviour's arrival.know what you mean, but do we really want the CB partnership from a club that got relegated?
I see Hangeland is still up for grabs. If Vlaar won't sign a new deal, get as much as we can for him and get the giant in for a year for nowt whilst we await our saviour's arrival.know what you mean, but do we really want the CB partnership from a club that got relegated?
Worst case scenario is he stays for another year plays his heart out for a big move mega deal elsewhere and walks for free in 12 months. Everyone's a winner .
My fear with selling is lambert will not get the proceeds.Worst case scenario is he stays for another year plays his heart out for a big move mega deal elsewhere and walks for free in 12 months. Everyone's a winner .
Villa don't win if he is still surrounded by the same shit though do they? The best we hope for is survival? No chance. If he doesn't sign, sell and try to replace.
He'll only spend it on shit anyway mate.
Worst case scenario is he stays for another year plays his heart out for a big move mega deal elsewhere and walks for free in 12 months. Everyone's a winner .
Villa don't win if he is still surrounded by the same shit though do they? The best we hope for is survival? No chance. If he doesn't sign, sell and try to replace.
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when the ownership situation is up in the air, the team aren't very good as it is and the club is in extreme cost cutting mode so god knows what the terms on the extension will even be.
I would be looking at what our ambition is.
I haven't seen anything from the club in a long while which suggests our ambition extends beyond not getting relegated, absolutely nothing.
We ended last season saying how much we needed to invest in players, and what sort of players, to return to an acceptable level, and since then we've signed three free transfers, one of which is a 33 year old who is made of glass and hasn't done anything for years, one of which is an underwhelming centre half, and the other is a bog standard left back.
It's football fans' optimism that we're increasingly talking about the return of the injured or pointlessly excluded, and saying they're "like a new signing", but really, we had a need to do a significant amount of squad strengthening, and thus far, we haven't seen anything at all to suggest we're going to do it.
As a fan, it is depressing, but if I were a footballer, aged 29, looking at my last deal, had had a very good World Cup and had only a year on my contract, there's really no way I'd dedicate the final years of my career to a club which clearly just exists to not get relegated.
There isn't any ambition, ultimately, I wouldn't blame anyone for not fancying that.
He'll only spend it on shit anyway mate.
You do know who signed Vlaar, don't you?
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when the ownership situation is up in the air, the team aren't very good as it is and the club is in extreme cost cutting mode so god knows what the terms on the extension will even be.
I would be looking at what our ambition is.
I haven't seen anything from the club in a long while which suggests our ambition extends beyond not getting relegated, absolutely nothing.
We ended last season saying how much we needed to invest in players, and what sort of players, to return to an acceptable level, and since then we've signed three free transfers, one of which is a 33 year old who is made of glass and hasn't done anything for years, one of which is an underwhelming centre half, and the other is a bog standard left back.
It's football fans' optimism that we're increasingly talking about the return of the injured or pointlessly excluded, and saying they're "like a new signing", but really, we had a need to do a significant amount of squad strengthening, and thus far, we haven't seen anything at all to suggest we're going to do it.
As a fan, it is depressing, but if I were a footballer, aged 29, looking at my last deal, had had a very good World Cup and had only a year on my contract, there's really no way I'd dedicate the final years of my career to a club which clearly just exists to not get relegated.
There isn't any ambition, ultimately, I wouldn't blame anyone for not fancying that.
I thought the reality at the moment is the club is in a zombie state due to the takeover situation. In an ideal world it all gets sorted out quickly and we can starting moving forward with fresh investment, ideas and impetus. That dosen't look likely atm though so we're left to muddle on as Randy isn't going to suddenly sanction some mass spending spree when it won't be his club in 6-12 months time.
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when the ownership situation is up in the air, the team aren't very good as it is and the club is in extreme cost cutting mode so god knows what the terms on the extension will even be.
I would be looking at what our ambition is.
I haven't seen anything from the club in a long while which suggests our ambition extends beyond not getting relegated, absolutely nothing.
We ended last season saying how much we needed to invest in players, and what sort of players, to return to an acceptable level, and since then we've signed three free transfers, one of which is a 33 year old who is made of glass and hasn't done anything for years, one of which is an underwhelming centre half, and the other is a bog standard left back.
It's football fans' optimism that we're increasingly talking about the return of the injured or pointlessly excluded, and saying they're "like a new signing", but really, we had a need to do a significant amount of squad strengthening, and thus far, we haven't seen anything at all to suggest we're going to do it.
As a fan, it is depressing, but if I were a footballer, aged 29, looking at my last deal, had had a very good World Cup and had only a year on my contract, there's really no way I'd dedicate the final years of my career to a club which clearly just exists to not get relegated.
There isn't any ambition, ultimately, I wouldn't blame anyone for not fancying that.
I thought the reality at the moment is the club is in a zombie state due to the takeover situation. In an ideal world it all gets sorted out quickly and we can starting moving forward with fresh investment, ideas and impetus. That dosen't look likely atm though so we're left to muddle on as Randy isn't going to suddenly sanction some mass spending spree when it won't be his club in 6-12 months time.
The thing is, we have looked in a zombie state for two years now, and seem to be getting more, not less, zombiefied.
The thing is, we have looked in a zombie state for two years now, and seem to be getting more, not less, zombiefied.I reckon that if you were making a 'footballers who could pass as zombies' list then Senderos would probably be on it.
Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Be honest, take away the Villa blood running through your veins and ask yourselves this; If you were an established premier league player (not a youth like Robinson or Grealish) would you be signing any contract the club would possibly be offering.
I sure as hell wouldn't. Not when the ownership situation is up in the air, the team aren't very good as it is and the club is in extreme cost cutting mode so god knows what the terms on the extension will even be.
I would be looking at what our ambition is.
I haven't seen anything from the club in a long while which suggests our ambition extends beyond not getting relegated, absolutely nothing.
We ended last season saying how much we needed to invest in players, and what sort of players, to return to an acceptable level, and since then we've signed three free transfers, one of which is a 33 year old who is made of glass and hasn't done anything for years, one of which is an underwhelming centre half, and the other is a bog standard left back.
It's football fans' optimism that we're increasingly talking about the return of the injured or pointlessly excluded, and saying they're "like a new signing", but really, we had a need to do a significant amount of squad strengthening, and thus far, we haven't seen anything at all to suggest we're going to do it.
As a fan, it is depressing, but if I were a footballer, aged 29, looking at my last deal, had had a very good World Cup and had only a year on my contract, there's really no way I'd dedicate the final years of my career to a club which clearly just exists to not get relegated.
There isn't any ambition, ultimately, I wouldn't blame anyone for not fancying that.
I thought the reality at the moment is the club is in a zombie state due to the takeover situation. In an ideal world it all gets sorted out quickly and we can starting moving forward with fresh investment, ideas and impetus. That dosen't look likely atm though so we're left to muddle on as Randy isn't going to suddenly sanction some mass spending spree when it won't be his club in 6-12 months time.
The thing is, we have looked in a zombie state for two years now, and seem to be getting more, not less, zombiefied.
Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
He may not be shit but he's certainly average.
Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.
Good, so we're all in disagreement with the original point then.Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
He may not be shit but he's certainly average.
Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
Good, so we're all in disagreement with the original point then.Well no, the question was 'is he shit'. I agree that he would have been better for us had he been eased in more gently than he has been over the last couple of years, but he's clearly not 'shit'.Kozak - yes, I would say that he has been a complete success and I look forward to having him back in the side.Presumably you missed the signings of Westwood, Kozak, Bacuna and Guzan then?
Guzan aside, the other three have hardly been roaring successes have they Dave.
Bacuna - when played in his proper position he is a good goalscoring midfielder, as evidenced by er... all those goals that he scored. And well worth the what, £700,000 that he cost?
Westwood - Has been more good than bad. Certainly not 'shit'.
You could argue that Westwood has been more good than bad, but the question is whether he's been good enough to play regularly in this league. See also Lowton.
He may not be shit but he's certainly average.
I have high hopes that Roy Keane can have a positive influence on Westwood. I think he showed numerous improvements to his game last season, and if he can continue to do is good enough to be a regular starter for us.
What I don't really get, however, is this "he'd be better with better players around him" way of thinking. He plays in an absolutely pivotal position in the team. He needs to be one of the players having a major influence on the game, not relying on other players to deflect from any inefficiencies in his own game.
For me a central-midfielder should have a complete enough game for us to be able to switch to 4-4-2 and not struggle.
I have high hopes that Roy Keane can have a positive influence on Westwood. I think he showed numerous improvements to his game last season, and if he can continue to do is good enough to be a regular starter for us.
What I don't really get, however, is this "he'd be better with better players around him" way of thinking. He plays in an absolutely pivotal position in the team. He needs to be one of the players having a major influence on the game, not relying on other players to deflect from any inefficiencies in his own game.
For me a central-midfielder should have a complete enough game for us to be able to switch to 4-4-2 and not struggle.
I have high hopes that Roy Keane can have a positive influence on Westwood. I think he showed numerous improvements to his game last season, and if he can continue to do is good enough to be a regular starter for us.
What I don't really get, however, is this "he'd be better with better players around him" way of thinking. He plays in an absolutely pivotal position in the team. He needs to be one of the players having a major influence on the game, not relying on other players to deflect from any inefficiencies in his own game.
For me a central-midfielder should have a complete enough game for us to be able to switch to 4-4-2 and not struggle.
I think good, experienced players often improve those around them. They make the right runs, they organise those around them and talk others through the game. You can be the best passer of the ball in the world but it means little if there isn't anyone in position to receive it.
I have high hopes that Roy Keane can have a positive influence on Westwood. I think he showed numerous improvements to his game last season, and if he can continue to do is good enough to be a regular starter for us.
What I don't really get, however, is this "he'd be better with better players around him" way of thinking. He plays in an absolutely pivotal position in the team. He needs to be one of the players having a major influence on the game, not relying on other players to deflect from any inefficiencies in his own game.
For me a central-midfielder should have a complete enough game for us to be able to switch to 4-4-2 and not struggle.
I think good, experienced players often improve those around them. They make the right runs, they organise those around them and talk others through the game. You can be the best passer of the ball in the world but it means little if there isn't anyone in position to receive it.
I agree with this. I think my point (which probably wasn't articulated very well),was that in the system we play the holding midfield role is pivotal. It will be even if switch to a back 3 more frequently this season. It's not a position that we could afford the luxury of blooding a player in (which is what we've doe with Westwood over the past 2 years and, in my opinion, one of the reasons that we've struggled so much.
Barry himself is good example. When he first game into the side he did so on the left hand side of a back 3, playing in a team packed full of experienced players. It wasn't until he was much older, and more experienced, that he assumed a role with as much responsibility as the one Westwood currently has.
I think Westwood's ok, but he's 24 now, and we need more than ok from whoever plays there. I also think Lambert realises this, if the links to Ki are anything to go by, as I really don't see how Westwood and Ki would fit into the same midfield effectively.
He is shocking without it much of the time, especially when he is facing his own goal, he hasn't a clue who is behind him. I like him as a footballer and he seems a decent bloke, just not very efficient when building a side to have a guy who has to do 2 jobs doing 1, so you have to play a second player to do the other half, to the detriment of the rest of the side.
agreed and Keane will either cure the problem quickly or Westwood may find himself on the sidelines.He is shocking without it much of the time, especially when he is facing his own goal, he hasn't a clue who is behind him. I like him as a footballer and he seems a decent bloke, just not very efficient when building a side to have a guy who has to do 2 jobs doing 1, so you have to play a second player to do the other half, to the detriment of the rest of the side.
I agree that's his main weakness, the defensive side. You'll see it every week where he points for other players to track the runners he should be tracking. He's neat & tidy with the ball but to be effective he needs to do be able to do both.
He is shocking without it much of the time, especially when he is facing his own goal, he hasn't a clue who is behind him. I like him as a footballer and he seems a decent bloke, just not very efficient when building a side to have a guy who has to do 2 jobs doing 1, so you have to play a second player to do the other half, to the detriment of the rest of the side.
I agree that's his main weakness, the defensive side. You'll see it every week where he points for other players to track the runners he should be tracking. He's neat & tidy with the ball but to be effective he needs to do be able to do both.
He is shocking without it much of the time, especially when he is facing his own goal, he hasn't a clue who is behind him. I like him as a footballer and he seems a decent bloke, just not very efficient when building a side to have a guy who has to do 2 jobs doing 1, so you have to play a second player to do the other half, to the detriment of the rest of the side.
I agree that's his main weakness, the defensive side. You'll see it every week where he points for other players to track the runners he should be tracking. He's neat & tidy with the ball but to be effective he needs to do be able to do both.
I do feel that we are one of the better teams in the league for pointing
Should we be expecting to see Vlaar in the friendly at Groningen tomorrow or is he still on holidays?Apparently in an interview he gave a few days back he's going to be meeting up with the squad in Groningen, although I wouldn't think he'll play.
Unlikely to see him in a Villa shirt again unfortunately and links with other centre backc are no coincidence, even if they are paper talk like Danny Batth from Wolves.Should we be expecting to see Vlaar in the friendly at Groningen tomorrow or is he still on holidays?Apparently in an interview he gave a few days back he's going to be meeting up with the squad in Groningen, although I wouldn't think he'll play.
Maybe we'll see him on Tuesday at the Bescot.
Juventus primed to battle with Man Utd, Southampton, Spurs and Lazio for Ron Vlaar
JUVENTUS are the latest club to enter the race for Aston Villa defender Ron Vlaar.
By: Alex Harris
Published: Fri, August 1, 2014
The Serie A champions join Premier League trio Manchester United, Southampton and Tottenham in the chase while Italian rivals Lazio and Roma are also monitoring the Dutch defender.
According to reports in Italy, Juventus are in the market for a new central defender and have narrowed their shortlist to Vlaar and former Manchester City man Stefan Savic.
Despite facing a fight to keep hold of star players Paul Pogba and Arturo Vidal, general director Beppe Marotta is pressing ahead with plans to strengthen the Old Lady's defence.
Manchester United are in the market for numerous new defenders due to their lack of back-line options and Louis van Gaal's preference for a 3-5-2 formation.
New Southampton manager Ronald Koeman has publicly declared his interest in signing Vlaar as he looks to replace the departed Dejan Lovren.
Mauricio Pochettino is also thought to be on the lookout for defensive reinforcements with doubts surrounding the future of Michael Dawson.
Despite Paul Lambert's desire to keep the Dutch defender at Villa Park, it is thought that Vlaar could be sold for a fee in the region of £10m.
If Juventus came calling and offered us what he is worth right now at the highest point of his sale value then I would not only expect him to go, but he'd have my best wishes. He'd be going to the champions of Italy, and playing CL football. Not a bad way to see out the next few years of his career.Agreed .... but do we trust the current regime at VP to go out and find a decent replacement (an "anything but Baker" strategy)?
If Juventus came calling and offered us what he is worth right now at the highest point of his sale value then I would not only expect him to go, but he'd have my best wishes. He'd be going to the champions of Italy, and playing CL football. Not a bad way to see out the next few years of his career.Agreed .... but do we trust the current regime at VP to go out and find a decent replacement (an "anything but Baker" strategy)?
Yeah, I know; but that was two close-seasons' ago ...If Juventus came calling and offered us what he is worth right now at the highest point of his sale value then I would not only expect him to go, but he'd have my best wishes. He'd be going to the champions of Italy, and playing CL football. Not a bad way to see out the next few years of his career.Agreed .... but do we trust the current regime at VP to go out and find a decent replacement (an "anything but Baker" strategy)?
Considering the current regime went out and found Vlaar in the first place then it's hard to say they wouldn't.
With one year left on his contract 12 million would be decent value, however would be spend it or stick with what we have? I think the latter, Worried of Bartley Green.
Yanited desperate for CB's and Van Gaal factor.
Southampton desperate for players and Koeman factor.
Juventus can offer CL football but I doubt Ron will want to leave the PL and upheave a young family, change of not only school but country etc.
Lazio as above .
Spurs not sure they need a CB?
With one year left on his contract 12 million would be decent value, however would be spend it or stick with what we have? I think the latter, Worried of Bartley Green.
Yep.
If we sold Vlaar, I suspect we'd find out Senderos is his replacement.
Yep but that was to get to the promised land of the PL. And weren't his kids like 2 then so pre-school etc.Yanited desperate for CB's and Van Gaal factor.
Southampton desperate for players and Koeman factor.
Juventus can offer CL football but I doubt Ron will want to leave the PL and upheave a young family, change of not only school but country etc.
Lazio as above .
Spurs not sure they need a CB?
Surely he upheaved them 2 years ago when he moved from Holland to England?
If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
CL is one thing, playing in the PL or leaving it is another. The PL is the place to be outside of Barca , Bayern, Real. Juve are getting up there but I think he'd choose yanited and van gaal hands down over Juve.If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
Hope I'm wrong but I reckon senderos is vlaars replacement.
Lambert has been insistent vlaar is going nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll stay, but I hope at the least it means we'd set out to replace him properlySomebody like Roger Johnson or Scott Dann I'd imagine is the level we are pitching at. Or the dirty bastard from smethwick.
I really do worry if he goes, regardless of the money. Even if lambert was allowed to spend it what kind of quality player wants to come here at the moment? We'd have to go for a slightly desperate player - eg in the championship
Fun times
Lambert has been insistent vlaar is going nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll stay, but I hope at the least it means we'd set out to replace him properlySomebody like Roger Johnson or Scott Dann I'd imagine is the level we are pitching at. Or the dirty bastard from smethwick.
I really do worry if he goes, regardless of the money. Even if lambert was allowed to spend it what kind of quality player wants to come here at the moment? We'd have to go for a slightly desperate player - eg in the championship
Fun times
Lambert has been insistent vlaar is going nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll stay, but I hope at the least it means we'd set out to replace him properlySomebody like Roger Johnson or Scott Dann I'd imagine is the level we are pitching at. Or the dirty bastard from smethwick.
I really do worry if he goes, regardless of the money. Even if lambert was allowed to spend it what kind of quality player wants to come here at the moment? We'd have to go for a slightly desperate player - eg in the championship
Fun times
Ridgewell?
No the other one. Olson .Lambert has been insistent vlaar is going nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll stay, but I hope at the least it means we'd set out to replace him properlySomebody like Roger Johnson or Scott Dann I'd imagine is the level we are pitching at. Or the dirty bastard from smethwick.
I really do worry if he goes, regardless of the money. Even if lambert was allowed to spend it what kind of quality player wants to come here at the moment? We'd have to go for a slightly desperate player - eg in the championship
Fun times
Ridgewell?
Lambert has been insistent vlaar is going nowhere. That doesn't mean he'll stay, but I hope at the least it means we'd set out to replace him properlySomebody like Roger Johnson or Scott Dann I'd imagine is the level we are pitching at. Or the dirty bastard from smethwick.
I really do worry if he goes, regardless of the money. Even if lambert was allowed to spend it what kind of quality player wants to come here at the moment? We'd have to go for a slightly desperate player - eg in the championship
Fun times
Ridgewell?
He is in Portland, Oregon playing for them there Timbers.
If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
Because they're Man United.
Pretending that doesn't matter as they're not in Europe strikes me as wide of the mark to say the least.
If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
Because they're Man United.
Pretending that doesn't matter as they're not in Europe strikes me as wide of the mark to say the least.
Between juve and Yanited it's no contest . M6 north.If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
Because they're Man United.
Pretending that doesn't matter as they're not in Europe strikes me as wide of the mark to say the least.
I'm sorry, but I missed the bit where I have suggested it doesn't matter. My post is in response to the suggestion Juve have "no chance" if Man U "come knocking" which strikes me as wide of the mark.
Between juve and Yanited it's no contest . M6 north.If Yanited come knocking I don't think Juve stand a chance.
Why? There's no guarantee that they will be in the CL next season. There not even in Europe this season. I'm sure the manager has a bearing on any decision but playing this season for one of the great European clubs in the CL would have huge appeal.
Because they're Man United.
Pretending that doesn't matter as they're not in Europe strikes me as wide of the mark to say the least.
I'm sorry, but I missed the bit where I have suggested it doesn't matter. My post is in response to the suggestion Juve have "no chance" if Man U "come knocking" which strikes me as wide of the mark.
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/02/aston-villa-my-focus-ron-vlaar-wont-be-drawn-on-transfer-talk/153150/
This is a bit encouraging at least. He might stay for the first game.
Villa Toronto
First of all it's man Yanited
Second it Louis van gaal
Then there's at least 10 compelling reasons which I can't be arsed to list, maybe even 20.
I am not sure Italian football is all that attractive any more full stop is it? Spanish and over here seem to be the places to be these days.
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/02/aston-villa-my-focus-ron-vlaar-wont-be-drawn-on-transfer-talk/153150/
This is a bit encouraging at least. He might stay for the first game.
I know I've had a few drinks tonight, but does this say what I think it does?
"But Vlaar is not prepared to consider a potential move away from Aston Villa and insists he is excited about the shape of the club's squad following their 4-1 friendly victory against Groningen earlier today."
If it does, I suspect the story's complete bollox.
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/02/aston-villa-my-focus-ron-vlaar-wont-be-drawn-on-transfer-talk/153150/
This is a bit encouraging at least. He might stay for the first game.
I know I've had a few drinks tonight, but does this say what I think it does?
"But Vlaar is not prepared to consider a potential move away from Aston Villa and insists he is excited about the shape of the club's squad following their 4-1 friendly victory against Groningen earlier today."
If it does, I suspect the story's complete bollox.
That is rather good news and I say, 'good on you, Ron.'
Or, translated into Dutch / rock:
'Da doo Ron Ron Ron, Da do Ron Ron.'
Lambert says "Vlaar" is not going anywhere, well that makes me feel better, I mean this guy is a genius, he told Learner he was a football manager and he believed him.
Yes but vlaar has just had the best month of his career with LVG , Yanited are a bigger club / lure than Juve , they would probably pay more ? And it's just up the road and he stays in the PL which is watched across the globe in far larger numbers than Serie A.Villa Toronto
First of all it's man Yanited
Second it Louis van gaal
Then there's at least 10 compelling reasons which I can't be arsed to list, maybe even 20.
villa silhill, you still haven't told me why it is no contest. That's the original point I am contesting. If you said Man U is a great option and something he'd consider it would be impossible to argue. I am merely pointing out that Juventus is a CL club and the champions of Italy. To say it would be a no contest decision isn't correct. And as I have pointed out to you, Man U don't sign every player they go after. They didn't when Ferguson was there, they didn't under Moyes, and they haven't since Van Gaal has been there.
Villa Toronto
First of all it's man Yanited
Second it Louis van gaal
Then there's at least 10 compelling reasons which I can't be arsed to list, maybe even 20.
villa silhill, you still haven't told me why it is no contest. That's the original point I am contesting. If you said Man U is a great option and something he'd consider it would be impossible to argue. I am merely pointing out that Juventus is a CL club and the champions of Italy. To say it would be a no contest decision isn't correct. And as I have pointed out to you, Man U don't sign every player they go after. They didn't when Ferguson was there, they didn't under Moyes, and they haven't since Van Gaal has been there.
Some players like to experience different things, for all we know he may fancy playing top level football in another country before he retires.Isn't he doing that now in England having played his whole career in his homeland up til Villa.
Some players like to experience different things, for all we know he may fancy playing top level football in another country before he retires.Isn't he doing that now in England having played his whole career in his homeland up til Villa.
I thought Man Utd are after Vermaelen and Hummels. Van Gaal may come back and go after Vlaar if he is unsuccessful with those two but it would be a stop-gap signing and Vlaar may see it that way.That would make more sense. Vlaar isn't good enough for Yanited if they want to get back to dominating the PL. That's why if he does sadly leave us I hope it's to them as they won't prosper as well if he's at the heart of their defence. That's not knocking Ron he's just not on that level in my opinion .
Some players like to experience different things, for all we know he may fancy playing top level football in another country before he retires.Isn't he doing that now in England having played his whole career in his homeland up til Villa.
Yes. So maybe he wants to play in another as well. Some player actually like to experience different countries and cultures etc.
It is pointless saying he will go to Manure if they come knocking as though it is fact when we have no idea what he is looking for when thinking of changing clubs.
I thought Man Utd are after Vermaelen and Hummels. Van Gaal may come back and go after Vlaar if he is unsuccessful with those two but it would be a stop-gap signing and Vlaar may see it that way.That would make more sense. Vlaar isn't good enough for Yanited if they want to get back to dominating the PL. That's why if he does sadly leave us I hope it's to them as they won't prosper as well if he's at the heart of their defence. That's not knocking Ron he's just not on that level in my opinion .
after yesterday he might just fancy the chance to play football for anyoneHe is part of the team and club. He is also the club captain. It's therefore his job to help put things right and not think about deserting "after yesterday" if that's what you are saying.
I thought Man Utd are after Vermaelen and Hummels. Van Gaal may come back and go after Vlaar if he is unsuccessful with those two but it would be a stop-gap signing and Vlaar may see it that way.That would make more sense. Vlaar isn't good enough for Yanited if they want to get back to dominating the PL. That's why if he does sadly leave us I hope it's to them as they won't prosper as well if he's at the heart of their defence. That's not knocking Ron he's just not on that level in my opinion .
I thought Man Utd are after Vermaelen and Hummels. Van Gaal may come back and go after Vlaar if he is unsuccessful with those two but it would be a stop-gap signing and Vlaar may see it that way.That would make more sense. Vlaar isn't good enough for Yanited if they want to get back to dominating the PL. That's why if he does sadly leave us I hope it's to them as they won't prosper as well if he's at the heart of their defence. That's not knocking Ron he's just not on that level in my opinion .
He's infinitely better than Jonny Evans though.
Manchester United PLC probably could afford to burn £200 million in one transfer window, but the shareholders other vested interests wouldn't allow it. They have already spent about £90 million since January so a signing like Vlaar might be a good option during a period of transition.
Not a player to build the backline around, but a player the manager knows and trusts.
He also looks far better in a side that tries to play football.
I thought Man Utd are after Vermaelen and Hummels. Van Gaal may come back and go after Vlaar if he is unsuccessful with those two but it would be a stop-gap signing and Vlaar may see it that way.That would make more sense. Vlaar isn't good enough for Yanited if they want to get back to dominating the PL. That's why if he does sadly leave us I hope it's to them as they won't prosper as well if he's at the heart of their defence. That's not knocking Ron he's just not on that level in my opinion .
He's infinitely better than Jonny Evans though.
Manchester United PLC probably could afford to burn £200 million in one transfer window, but the shareholders other vested interests wouldn't allow it. They have already spent about £90 million since January so a signing like Vlaar might be a good option during a period of transition.
Not a player to build the backline around, but a player the manager knows and trusts.
He also looks far better in a side that tries to play football.
Clubs like Man Utd cannot afford to be out of the top 4 and do not have the time for transition. Van Gaal has a season to get them back into the top 4 or he will be picking up his P45. He has the money to spend and defence is the most urgent area needing sorting. He is not going to risk everything on Vlaar who can easily pick up an injury tomorrow. I will qualify that in that as I said before, he may come back to Vlaar if he cannot get the top quality defenders he wants.
we could re brand as Don Villa and make it compulsory on and off the pitch to dress as The Godfather.Villa park would also be closer to me and I could make it to more games. Though given it'll be that bit closer to Lahndan, they'll double ticket prices probably.
The season ticket renewal thread would have "Just when I think I'm out, they keep pulling me back in".
Not sure if this has been posted else where from BBC:
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert is planning on holding talks with captain Ron Vlaar after their opening Premier league game against Stoke on 16 August, in a bid to resolve the defender's future.
"Ron's got another year still to go on his contract, it's not as if he's at the end of it," says Lambert.
"Once we get back I'll sit with him, we'll have a bit more time, but he loves it at Villa, that's well known."
Not sure if this has been posted else where from BBC:
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert is planning on holding talks with captain Ron Vlaar after their opening Premier league game against Stoke on 16 August, in a bid to resolve the defender's future.
"Ron's got another year still to go on his contract, it's not as if he's at the end of it," says Lambert.
"Once we get back I'll sit with him, we'll have a bit more time, but he loves it at Villa, that's well known."
Perhaps us fans are just overly anxious but if I was Lambert I'd wanted to know Vlaar's intentions as soon as possible, certainly before the season started!
Vlaar will now return to Bodymoor Heath to begin preparations for the Stoke match, which takes place on Saturday August 16.
Lambert said: "I had a really brief conversation with Ron. No doubt I will sit with him when we have a bit more time when we're back.
"He's positive and raring to go. He's looking forward to getting going. That, it itself, is a plus.
"He loves it here. That's him back now. He's looking forward to the Stoke game"
Some time in the past I missed when the media stopped reporting news and started wanting to make news. Or more to the point, make news up.
I'm frustrated, disappointed or whatever with my club but to have to sift through half truths, down right bulls*** and the rest to find out what is truly happening is turning me off football altogether.
In terms of 'how much would we ask for', Cardiff turned down a £6m bid for Jordan Mutch, who also has only one year remaining on his contract.
I thought Noone at Cardiff looked quite handy when I saw him last season.
I thought Noone at Cardiff looked quite handy when I saw him last season.
When do we expect the Vlaaresenal stories to start?
Paul Lambert is hoping to keep hold of defender Ron Vlaar amidst interest from Ronald Koeman's Southampton.
Lambert is keen to open talks with the 29-year-old centre-half once the transfer window shuts, but was far from impressed with Koeman for admitting publicly that Vlaar was 'an option'.
The Villa boss said: ‘There is been absolutely no enquiry, not one iota on it. The only thing I am disappointed in is people talking about him, who should know better than to talk about other people’s players.
‘I don’t think you accept it. I think out of respect you don’t do it, you don’t get involved in that. That is my opinion. You will have to ask others what they think but I am just giving my opinion.’
My gut feeling has always been he wouldn't sign a new deal so I feel Lambert's comments indicate this.
Personally I'd keep him for the first few months and look again at things in January unless someone major comes in offering stupid money.
If he goes we're fucked. Give me a credible player we could bring in to replace him in our predicament
If he goes we're fucked. Give me a credible player we could bring in to replace him in our predicamentDaniel Agger...
At his age, and with his injury record, it's a risky strategy to wait 12 months and let the contract run down.much as I would like to see this man stay, I do think your views here are pragmatic, KG. The market is ridiculously inflated at the moment and his stock is high.
His stock is high now, but another season of struggle at the arse end of the table with us could count against him. No guarantee that Koeman or any of the other managers interested will still be in the same job either. Or if they are, they might have sorted better long term options by then.
My preference would be to sort this out one way or the other this summer. If he wants to stay and commit to a new contract: great. If he doesn't want to commit, we'd be as well to sell now. Whilst we can still command a hefty fee. Take the emotion out of it, he is an asset on the books. His sale (at an inflated fee) could fund one or perhaps two players for that position long term.
If he goes we're fucked. Give me a credible player we could bring in to replace him in our predicamentDaniel Agger...
Well, he wants out of Liverpool.
I think you are right, after all was does Aggger do do doIf he goes we're fucked. Give me a credible player we could bring in to replace him in our predicamentDaniel Agger...
Well, he wants out of Liverpool.
Right I think I just won that argument
I've been using the Agger Do line for yonks, no one truly appreciates such comedy genius. Bunch of Philistines.I have to say 'what can Agger do?' every time I see him on TV. That's two of us who think it's funny, probably the only two.
If Southampton offer 12m plus, then you would be hard pressed to say no. Replacing him as a player and leader would be tough. I would go for Dawson personally, but there would be other options I would imagine.
To be honest he is quite replaceable, if your willing to spend a bit. He's good for us, but always has an injury spell round the corner. He's a very good player for the value we paid. My worry is finding another player as good for as much money he's earning and also my main concern is we are about to kick off and the window shuts in two weeks.This is the bit I found fascinating about his WC: he played all the games in the humid conditions of Brazil and looked fit, healthy and mobile. Why not put in a decent shift over a season of the Premiership? - maybe its pace and physicality does him ...
We could replace him, he's a good player but he's not amazing.
However, that's not really the point, as he is currently one of our best players. I'd rather not create the requirement to go after a replacement centre half when we already have a fair amount of business to do in the next two weeks.
Plus, I half wonder if his replacement wouldn't turn out to be Senderos.
To be honest he is quite replaceable, if your willing to spend a bit. He's good for us, but always has an injury spell round the corner. He's a very good player for the value we paid. My worry is finding another player as good for as much money he's earning and also my main concern is we are about to kick off and the window shuts in two weeks.
Totally agree with this view
We could replace him, he's a good player but he's not amazing.
However, that's not really the point, as he is currently one of our best players. I'd rather not create the requirement to go after a replacement centre half when we already have a fair amount of business to do in the next two weeks.
Plus, I half wonder if his replacement wouldn't turn out to be Senderos.
Southampton paid £8.5m for a centre half today, are they likely to need another?
If they want him they need to pay up, if we want him we should put an offer on the table. If we are not offering Vlar what others are prepared to then he's going to leave.
What we can't have is a situation where at the last minute he goes & we do not get a player of his equal to replace him. Quite how we've allowed this situation to develop this far shows stunning incompetence.
Southampton paid £8.5m for a centre half today, are they likely to need another?
If they want him they need to pay up, if we want him we should put an offer on the table. If we are not offering Vlar what others are prepared to then he's going to leave.
What we can't have is a situation where at the last minute he goes & we do not get a player of his equal to replace him. Quite how we've allowed this situation to develop this far shows stunning incompetence.
A bit harsh john. He hasn't gone yet!!
In fact, my biggest issue with Vlaar going is Gabby being the full time captain.
]It is a dangerous situation. As I've said before, I think Lerner is gambling that he can get the club sold before Xmas. Then, the new owner would be making the long-term commitment. If nothing has happened re the sale by early December, he will have to deal with those contracts that are winding down.
We have 3 key / first choice players now in the last year of their contracts, you can also add Grealish to that list. Personally, I think that's a dangerous position to leave the club in, irrespective of what happens.
]It is a dangerous situation. As I've said before, I think Lerner is gambling that he can get the club sold before Xmas. Then, the new owner would be making the long-term commitment. If nothing has happened re the sale by early December, he will have to deal with those contracts that are winding down.
We have 3 key / first choice players now in the last year of their contracts, you can also add Grealish to that list. Personally, I think that's a dangerous position to leave the club in, irrespective of what happens.
It's a crazy situation really, but the sale is creating a different decision-making framework.
The fact that we are all still talking about south fcukin Hampton being a viable alternative for him to villa is in itself astonishing. Surely they are just a stalking horse in all of this.
If he's in it for the medium term he should be investing and sorting out contracts for key players. Shambles springs to mind.
The fact that we are all still talking about south fcukin Hampton being a viable alternative for him to villa is in itself astonishing. Surely they are just a stalking horse in all of this.
Not really. They have maybe upto £50m still to spend based on income generated from profits on players. We haven't.
They have a fairly big named coach who has worked with Vlaar in the past.
I thought there was mounting speculation that Lerner isn't optimistic of a short term sale and is in it for the medium term?
I agree, but we're hardly an attractive option either given that we are showing and have shown no ambition over the last few years. I suspect he'll got to Man Utd.
Would yanited need our permission before they can talk / bid ?
At his age and risk profile , Ron needs to put pen to paper with someone fairly soon I'd have thought.
His stock was highest immediately after the WC .
I'm not so sure that would be his mentality given his injury record.At his age and risk profile , Ron needs to put pen to paper with someone fairly soon I'd have thought.
I'm not sure about that. If he waits a few months, he'll possibly have a good choice of clubs to choose from.
I suppose the question is, does our club actually want to keep him ?
If there is ANY truth in this, then it makes you wonder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-fit-7617366
That attitude is just bizarre. It's like Lambert is just hoping to get around to it one day.I'd imagine it's out of his hands? Can't be any other explanation ?
Didn't Lambert say a couple of weeks ago that he'll talk about a new contract for Vlaar AFTER the transfer window shuts - which is a bit bizarre and suggests he's waiting to see if/what offers come in. Can't see Southampton as a realistic option - they've lost a good manager and had a fire sale of their best players so I think they'll struggle this season. If van Gaal comes calling that would be a different matter
I imagine united' priority is for a left footed centre back to play in a back three
I doubt they'll take Nathan baker though
I suppose the question is, does our club actually want to keep him ?
If there is ANY truth in this, then it makes you wonder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-fit-7617366
If that's the case then I reckon we've decided he can go.
What possible reason is there for there not having been discussions?
Maybe he wants to see his committment? Maybe to see what offers come in? Maybe Vlaar, or his agent have said they'll wait to see if any offers comme in from the top teams and if nothing he'll sign a new contract. Maybe the club want to concentrate on signings before the transfer window before the contracts?
If Southampton offer the same sort of silly money they did for Long I would bite their hands off. Baker and Clark will be nowhere near as aimless with some real men around them and the opposition getting snake eyes from the Irishman.
If Southampton offer the same sort of silly money they did for Long I would bite their hands off. Baker and Clark will be nowhere near as aimless with some real men around them and the opposition getting snake eyes from the Irishman.
If we ended up with Baker and Clark as our centre half pairing we'd go down. Baker in particular is nowhere near good enough.
We seem to be managing other signings though (sanchez supposedly). I'd have though retaining a player is 'easier' than bringing in a new one?I suppose the question is, does our club actually want to keep him ?
If there is ANY truth in this, then it makes you wonder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-fit-7617366
If that's the case then I reckon we've decided he can go.
What possible reason is there for there not having been discussions?
We have no Chief Exec might be one reason? I am guessing the decision making process is now a little more complex.
We seem to be managing other signings though (sanchez supposedly). I'd have though retaining a player is 'easier' than bringing in a new one?I suppose the question is, does our club actually want to keep him ?
If there is ANY truth in this, then it makes you wonder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-fit-7617366
If that's the case then I reckon we've decided he can go.
What possible reason is there for there not having been discussions?
We have no Chief Exec might be one reason? I am guessing the decision making process is now a little more complex.
If Southampton offer the same sort of silly money they did for Long I would bite their hands off. Baker and Clark will be nowhere near as aimless with some real men around them and the opposition getting snake eyes from the Irishman.
If we ended up with Baker and Clark as our centre half pairing we'd go down. Baker in particular is nowhere near good enough.
Why would that happen other than injuries?
Who exactly is doing the talks with potential signings and renewing contracts if we have no CEO ?
Who exactly is doing the talks with potential signings and renewing contracts if we have no CEO ?
Who exactly is doing the talks with potential signings and renewing contracts if we have no CEO ?
Robin Russell, presumably.
As far as we know there hasn't been a new contract offer for Delph, Gabby or Grealish (who I think is in his last year) either, so to me it looks like putting contract negotiations on hold until after the window is club policy at the moment.
Its not the worst idea, as with the kind of inflated transfer fees going around at the minute any bid we did get for those players is likely to be fairly high so it makes a degree of sense to keep options open. I'd still be happier if we'd got them all signed up in May though.
If Yanited come calling we should bleed them dry . £20m.
Yanited's back line yesterday - Evans, Blackett and Smalling - is laughably poor and I'm still worried that van Gaal may come in for him late in the window. Hopefully Vlaar can see that we won't be struggling this season and may opt to stay with us rather than go for a stop-gap year at Manu while van Gaal rebuilds the defence and end up bench warming next year.
He's not good enough for Manchester United - there's no way he would get into a squad pushing for the title if only because of his injury record and whatever they might be today that's what they're aiming for. Equally, I don't understand why they would want stop-gap for a year of rebuilding. It isn't as though they've been relegated and need players to do a different job now than they would need them for in a year's time; if a player won't join them now he won't join in August 2015 because they've just finished sixth.
He's not good enough for Manchester United - there's no way he would get into a squad pushing for the title if only because of his injury record and whatever they might be today that's what they're aiming for. Equally, I don't understand why they would want stop-gap for a year of rebuilding. It isn't as though they've been relegated and need players to do a different job now than they would need them for in a year's time; if a player won't join them now he won't join in August 2015 because they've just finished sixth.
I would agree normally, but looking at what Man Utd have in that department at the moment, Vlaar is good enough.
Erm....Vlaar not good enough? So he didn't play in the World Cup and end up as one of the competition's best defenders? Vlaar is good enough if he has quality alongside him - Baker & Clark aren't real quality.Fixed.
I don't think Villa want to move him on. It all depends on whether we receive an enquiry, a bid and whether the player wants to go.
I don't think Villa want to move him on. It all depends on whether we receive an enquiry, a bid and whether the player wants to go.
I don't think Villa want to move him on. It all depends on whether we receive an enquiry, a bid and whether the player wants to go.
Are you The Mail's football finance expert? His name is Peter as well I think.
*wink*
Whilst I appreciate loyalty in football departed a long time ago, I'd be somewhat disappointed if Vlaar opted to bail out now considering how long we've stood by him through injuries. That's assuming we've made him a decent offer of course.How long we've stood by him?
We should cut our losses and use the money we were going to buy Cleverley to pick up a reliable replacement. Swap Cleverley for him if necessary.
He misses far too much football.
Anybody confident he will be declared fit for the Everton match. I have considerable doubts. Even if he is I would continue with our current pairing who are doing well. Might get the subs bench though over Okore.
We should cut our losses and use the money we were going to buy Cleverley to pick up a reliable replacement. Swap Cleverley for him if necessary.
He misses far too much football.
Anybody confident he will be declared fit for the Everton match. I have considerable doubts. Even if he is I would continue with our current pairing who are doing well. Might get the subs bench though over Okore.
Shifting 8 goals isn't doing well plus Senderos is crocked so that probably won't happen.
The World Cup almost seems like a distant memory now. His continued injury troubles have probably sliced his value back down. In retrospect we probably should have sold him in August.
Come Jan we'll probably get offered 4-5 million at the absolute tops.
If he hasn't signed by now I doubt that there's much intention on his side to sign at all. Probably wants one more big signing-on fee which he won't get with us. I doubt there's too much other than a contract on the table for him from us, also. Good player, yes, but until the past few games we've shown that we can get by without him. Get most of one more season out of him, thank him for his efforts but move on. I think he's better in the team for is than out of it, but not going to be terribly difficult to replace.Can't see how we have got by without him, lost 3 won 1 conceded 8 scored 1
I spoke very briefly to him at the Man City game and asked if he was close to being fit. He said yes but looked sad. I think he isn't close to being fit, unless he was sad about something else.
I spoke very briefly to him at the Man City game and asked if he was close to being fit. He said yes but looked sad. I think he isn't close to being fit, unless he was sad about something else.
Could it be that he was just frustrated by the fact he was injured again?
I think it might be that this recurring calf problem he's got is the reason no one has made any offers for him. Do we even want to offer him a lucrative 4 year contract with us having far more knowledge about the extent of this injury/on going problem? Assuming he doesn't get an offer from others we should only be looking at a roll on 12 month contract.
He's missed pretty much bang on 25% of league games since he signed for us. That's a concern when thinking of a new contract for a player approaching 30.Agree and that Stat is unlikely to improve with age.
Unlike Baker, Senderos or the vast majority of centre-backs, he's comfortable on the ball so he'll be hard to replace. I don't want another ''stopper'', they're ten a penny.Nail on head for me there.
Whilst I appreciate loyalty in football departed a long time ago, I'd be somewhat disappointed if Vlaar opted to bail out now considering how long we've stood by him through injuries. That's assuming we've made him a decent offer of course.How long we've stood by him?
What exactly have we done, other than pay him the wages that his contract says that we owe him?
We are sniffing around Porto defender Rolando, apparently. Available cheap in Jan as his contract is up in the summer and he's pissed Porto off. Although so are Inter, possibly, so I can guess where he will end up. Maybe.
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We are sniffing around Porto defender Rolando, apparently. Available cheap in Jan as his contract is up in the summer and he's pissed Porto off. Although so are Inter, possibly, so I can guess where he will end up. Maybe.
If we can get £5 million for an injury-prone 30 year old defender with six months left on his contract then we should be snatching hands off.
Well, it depends doesn't it?If we can get £5 million for an injury-prone 30 year old defender with six months left on his contract then we should be snatching hands off.
Barca just paid £16m for a 30 year old centre half who isn't as good as Vlaar. He's worth more to us than £5m (which may or may not be re-invested), even if he does miss a few games.
If we can get £5 million for an injury-prone 30 year old defender with six months left on his contract then we should be snatching hands off.
Barca just paid £16m for a 30 year old centre half who isn't as good as Vlaar. He's worth more to us than £5m (which may or may not be re-invested), even if he does miss a few games.
I wouldn't. We're not going to replace him with better in January in all probability so for the sake of 5 million I'd keep him.
I wanna keep Ron too Louzie, but if he wants to go to eg ManU, then I think we should take the dosh...as long as we use it to provide a solid replacement...but they ain't falling off the shelves! Esp in Jan...or at any other time!
I wanna keep Ron too Louzie, but if he wants to go to eg ManU, then I think we should take the dosh...as long as we use it to provide a solid replacement...but they ain't falling off the shelves! Esp in Jan...or at any other time!
Ron is pretty damn good but McGrath's knees were more reliable than his bloody calf.Albeit I'm an old and not very fit git, I get regular calf problems (from refereeing and cycling) and they are difficult to shake off. Even with the medical care that Ron gets, if he has problem it will not simply go away.
More importantly, where is Okore?
It's a nice idea to think he really wants to stay with us....I wanna keep Ron too Louzie, but if he wants to go to eg ManU, then I think we should take the dosh...as long as we use it to provide a solid replacement...but they ain't falling off the shelves! Esp in Jan...or at any other time!
Do you think he really wants to go, though?
I think he'd like to stay.
Appreciate the difficulty in replacing him, anyway.
It's a nice idea to think he really wants to stay with us....I wanna keep Ron too Louzie, but if he wants to go to eg ManU, then I think we should take the dosh...as long as we use it to provide a solid replacement...but they ain't falling off the shelves! Esp in Jan...or at any other time!
Do you think he really wants to go, though?
I think he'd like to stay.
Appreciate the difficulty in replacing him, anyway.
I suppose it depends on his sense of ambition and securing a future for himself and his loved ones...
I'm sure he wants to win trophies etc and play to the highest level he possibly can...if he's happy to continue to try to do that with us I'd be delighted...
But If ManU, say, are happy to pay a good price for him, double his wages and he wants to go, then, as pauliewalnuts says, he'll be off!
Okore is our perfect partner for Ron - or replacement - and I think Lambert needs to start giving him game time - he's obviously been fit enough for a while now.
Lots of chat on the interweb about terms agreed for Man Ure switch in Jan. Hopefully it's poop.
Or it suggests the media have no stories as yet and the next window is looming so an injured Ron will solve Uniteds defensive problem.Lots of chat on the interweb about terms agreed for Man Ure switch in Jan. Hopefully it's poop.
It's never a great idea to lose your better players. However, I find it odd that Man Yoo choose not to buy him after an excellent World Cup but are champing at the bit to snap him up after another injury. That suggests to me that if there was an enquiry in the close season, we quoted them a ludicrous price.
Can't see anyway we'd get £12 million, but it's largely irrelevant how much we receive. It's how we replace him that matters.And how we replace may well be priced by a seller based on what we get for Vlaar ... if he goes, I suspect that unless there is a bargain already lined up Lambert will try and hang on till the summer.
£12m seems a good price. But if it's Yanited I'd demand £18.75mPlus I'd demand that LVG comes round to Villa park on his hands and knees, crawl through the dog flap and beg Randy in person for the opportunity to sign Vlaar.
What's up with the fcuker and when will he play again?Tomorrow I believe.
If we get 12m quid for Ron Vlaar it would be the best bit of business Villa have done since.......ever.Since Downing cost the redsuckers £20m?
If we get 12m quid for Ron Vlaar it would be the best bit of business Villa have done since.......ever.Since Downing cost the redsuckers £20m?
It will mean we've had him including his wages for free in effect. Lambert deserves praise for the signing of Ron his challenge will be to find his replacement .
It's a mystery.It will mean we've had him including his wages for free in effect. Lambert deserves praise for the signing of Ron his challenge will be to find his replacement .
Where was Okore again today?
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
It's not even the defence that is the problem - it is actually better than last season, on balance. It is the near total failure to carve out scoring chances, or to even get a shot on target.
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
It's not even the defence that is the problem - it is actually better than last season, on balance. It is the near total failure to carve out scoring chances, or to even get a shot on target.
When you are sent out with the philosophy of just soak up pressure then whack it fucking long to Benteke then how on earth is there going to be any real possession based build up or creativity? The entire system encourages speed on the break and if we don't win the ball back and do that then immediately we are on the back foot again. We are simply not good enough (better yes) at the back to absorb that level of constant pressure and certainly not against better sides. Today was a piece of piss for Everton because they never had to really, truly step up to get to our penalty box. We made it very easy for them to camp in our half. It's a ludicrous tactic.
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
It's not even the defence that is the problem - it is actually better than last season, on balance. It is the near total failure to carve out scoring chances, or to even get a shot on target.
When you are sent out with the philosophy of just soak up pressure then whack it fucking long to Benteke then how on earth is there going to be any real possession based build up or creativity? The entire system encourages speed on the break and if we don't win the ball back and do that then immediately we are on the back foot again. We are simply not good enough (better yes) at the back to absorb that level of constant pressure and certainly not against better sides. Today was a piece of piss for Everton because they never had to really, truly step up to get to our penalty box. We made it very easy for them to camp in our half. It's a ludicrous tactic.
I don't even think it encourages speed on the break, or that it is a system, even.
I honestly think Lambert knows how he wants us to play, he's just absolutely clueless as to how to make it happen. Clueless.
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
It's not even the defence that is the problem - it is actually better than last season, on balance. It is the near total failure to carve out scoring chances, or to even get a shot on target.
When you are sent out with the philosophy of just soak up pressure then whack it fucking long to Benteke then how on earth is there going to be any real possession based build up or creativity? The entire system encourages speed on the break and if we don't win the ball back and do that then immediately we are on the back foot again. We are simply not good enough (better yes) at the back to absorb that level of constant pressure and certainly not against better sides. Today was a piece of piss for Everton because they never had to really, truly step up to get to our penalty box. We made it very easy for them to camp in our half. It's a ludicrous tactic.
I don't even think it encourages speed on the break, or that it is a system, even.
I honestly think Lambert knows how he wants us to play, he's just absolutely clueless as to how to make it happen. Clueless.
From now on lets call him Toyah.It's a mystery.It will mean we've had him including his wages for free in effect. Lambert deserves praise for the signing of Ron his challenge will be to find his replacement .
Where was Okore again today?
If we get £12m (or the equivalent if Cleverley is included) it would be up there with Andy Carroll and Shane Long for highway robbery.
MON can FO, he spent millions on dodgy CB's after sidelining Cahill and selling him to Bolton. Fucking idiot.MON is our equivalent of the Treaty of Versailles in that he gets blamed for things that happened years after he left. Time we looked elsewhere for the events of 2014
MON can FO, he spent millions on dodgy CB's after sidelining Cahill and selling him to Bolton. Fucking idiot.MON is our equivalent of the Treaty of Versailles in that he gets blamed for things that happened years after he left. Time we looked elsewhere for the events of 2014
You could argue Moscow was the start of the fall and decline of avfc. That's if we want specifics.MON can FO, he spent millions on dodgy CB's after sidelining Cahill and selling him to Bolton. Fucking idiot.MON is our equivalent of the Treaty of Versailles in that he gets blamed for things that happened years after he left. Time we looked elsewhere for the events of 2014
True but history shows us that something happened to get to the current state of affiars. MON and Randy in the early years brought to the position we're in now. Poor decisions after MOn left have made the position worse but as the road to Waterloo began at Borodino, so the road to Villa 2014-15 began with MON.
If we get £12m (or the equivalent if Cleverley is included) it would be up there with Andy Carroll and Shane Long for highway robbery.
Vlaar should not be offered a new contract unless he plays nearly all the games between now and January And plays a bloody sight better than he did today.
At the moment my view is that if he leaves, so be it.
Not a lot at all. It's a bit harsh considering he has not played for a while.If we get £12m (or the equivalent if Cleverley is included) it would be up there with Andy Carroll and Shane Long for highway robbery.
Vlaar should not be offered a new contract unless he plays nearly all the games between now and January And plays a bloody sight better than he did today.
At the moment my view is that if he leaves, so be it.
What did Vlaar do wrong yesterday? He chucked the ball back before the third granted, but he wasn't at fault for any of the goals.
Yes, and - IMO - the areas for improvement relate to being game-savvy, having more intensity, giving oppos something to think about, doing the unexpected ... all the things that the manager / coaching staff should be drilling into the players.
The whole team does need to massively improve though as a unit.
If you only play on the counter you could have a back four of Carlos Alberto, Baresi, McGrath and Maldini with Banks behind them and they'd still eventually concede goals.
It's not even the defence that is the problem - it is actually better than last season, on balance. It is the near total failure to carve out scoring chances, or to even get a shot on target.
When you are sent out with the philosophy of just soak up pressure then whack it fucking long to Benteke then how on earth is there going to be any real possession based build up or creativity? The entire system encourages speed on the break and if we don't win the ball back and do that then immediately we are on the back foot again. We are simply not good enough (better yes) at the back to absorb that level of constant pressure and certainly not against better sides. Today was a piece of piss for Everton because they never had to really, truly step up to get to our penalty box. We made it very easy for them to camp in our half. It's a ludicrous tactic.
I never said that he was directly at fault for any of the goals, although the third was scored from where a CB should have been covering.If we get £12m (or the equivalent if Cleverley is included) it would be up there with Andy Carroll and Shane Long for highway robbery.
Vlaar should not be offered a new contract unless he plays nearly all the games between now and January And plays a bloody sight better than he did today.
At the moment my view is that if he leaves, so be it.
What did Vlaar do wrong yesterday? He chucked the ball back before the third granted, but he wasn't at fault for any of the goals.
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Special feature: At home with Ron Vlaar Published on Oct 23, 2014
In this exclusive behind the scenes documentary, we took our cameras to Ron Vlaar's home town of Hensbroek, North Holland last year and spoke to his mother and sister as well as his first football coach.
Gone off injured for Holland
ESPN FC @ESPNFC 12m12 minutes ago
It's more bad news for desperate Aston Villa as Ron Vlaar walks gingerly into the tunnel.
Ron must have one of the most inappropriate nicknames ever. In fact that could be a title in Mock the Week.If he is indeed "concrete" then it's the sort of concrete O'Reilly might use if he was hired by Basil Fawlty to put up a wall.
At least our next game isn't until 24th November but it wouldn't surprise me if he's out for that. Anybody know how bad the injury is?
At least our next game isn't until 24th November but it wouldn't surprise me if he's out for that. Anybody know how bad the injury is?
Anyone watching it anywhere? If it's the result of a crunching tackle, he'll be back in a week. If he's felt a slight twinge in his calf, around New Year, if we're lucky.
We'd have more luck finding this guy:At least our next game isn't until 24th November but it wouldn't surprise me if he's out for that. Anybody know how bad the injury is?
Anyone watching it anywhere? If it's the result of a crunching tackle, he'll be back in a week. If he's felt a slight twinge in his calf, around New Year, if we're lucky.
Sounds about right! Wonder whether the mythical Okore could make an appearance....
One reason why manure might not go for himDepends how far up van gaals arse he is. I suspect they will just buy him and toss him into the squad , a bit like when you find a "bargain" at B&Q and store it in the garage only to never use it.
Too injury prone
One reason why manure might not go for himDepends how far up van gaals arse he is. I suspect they will just buy him and toss him into the squad , a bit like when you find a "bargain" at B&Q and store it in the garage only to never use it.
Too injury prone
If he's got any sense, and with his injury record, he should be begging mr fox to deliver a new contract to his agent ASAP.Why ? Yanited will probably offer him twice as much and twice as long. Let him go and let's cash in and use that cash.
No but it's Lambert so you never know!
Don't forget big Phil is fit (reasonably fit)
No but it's Lambert so you never know!
Don't forget big Phil is fit (reasonably fit)
didn't Phil just withdraw from the Swiss squad through injury?
So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
Or bearing in mind the game is over a week and half away, we could have a few of them back.
So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
If it was, you just know we'd win the game, because that's football.
So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
If it was, you just know we'd win the game, because that's football.
Richard you mean, because that's typical Villa.
Pretty much nailed on we will beat Southampton then lose to burnley.So v a rampant Southampton the back line could be -
Bacuna Lowton Clark Cissoko
If it was, you just know we'd win the game, because that's football.
Any news on the severity of injuries to Vlaar, Baker and Senderos?
You would play him but I doubt the boss knows who or where Okore is.Any news on the severity of injuries to Vlaar, Baker and Senderos?
I'd play Okore & Senderos against Southampton.
As it stands I'd imagine we will be struggling to get Sendaros/Vlaar/Baker and Hutton fit for next gameThe next game is just under two weeks away so they should be all fit.
As it stands I'd imagine we will be struggling to get Sendaros/Vlaar/Baker and Hutton fit for next gameThe next game is just under two weeks away so they should be all fit.
What the fuckety fuck is the problem with Okore? Does anyone know?Well, he appears to be fit - so that suggests Lambert either doesn't think he is as good as Baker and Clark or he has some other personal problem with him.
McGrath help us....He would have been alright...about five years ago.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-eyeing-jonas-olsson-8116921
McGrath help us....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-eyeing-jonas-olsson-8116921
Concrete Ron? More like marzipan!
Concrete Ron? More like paper!
Concrete Ron? More like China!
I suggest people add to this now and get the numerous alternatives to concrete off their chest.
And then I suggest anyone making this 'joke' is banned from the site for 1 month.
Concrete Ron? More like marzipan!
Concrete Ron? More like paper!
Concrete Ron? More like China!
I suggest people add to this now and get the numerous alternatives to concrete off their chest.
And then I suggest anyone making this 'joke' is banned from the site for 1 month.
Concrete Ron? Wrong feet Con, more like!
McGrath help us....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-eyeing-jonas-olsson-8116921
That story started in The Mirror so there's probably nothing to worry about. He's an horrible player, I can't stand him.
Concrete Ron? More like marzipan!
Concrete Ron? More like paper!
Concrete Ron? More like China!
I suggest people add to this now and get the numerous alternatives to concrete off their chest.
And then I suggest anyone making this 'joke' is banned from the site for 1 month.
Concrete Ron? Wrong feet Con, more like!
Blancmange Ron
Sicknote Ron
Vla Ron (Custard Ron)*nods approvingly*
Ron Vlaar: Paul Lambert wants Aston Villa captain to stay
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert has rejected claims contract negotiations have not started with Ron Vlaar and expressed a desire to keep his captain.
Vlaar, 29, is out of contract next summer and the defender has been linked with a move to Manchester United.
"We have been speaking with Ron and the message from his agent was thanks but no thanks," said Lambert, 45.
"I'd love to keep him. We've put our foot forward and I'm a bit annoyed the agent says the ball is in our court."
Vlaar joined Villa for £3.2m from Dutch side Feyenoord in 2012 but could leave for free in June 2015 if a deal is not agreed.
His agent, Arnold Oosterveer, last week fuelled talk of a move away from the Midlands club, citing the contract's end offered a "natural break" and a "nice step" for his "ambitious" client.
A calf injury in September has restricted Vlaar's playing time at Villa to just seven games this season but Lambert is adamant he wants Vlaar to stay and is frustrated with Oosterveer's comments.
Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Lambert said: "I'm not blaming Ron in any shape or form. He's been great, (we've had) good dialogue with him but I don't think you can do what he (Oosterveer) did.
"The options are open for Ron because he's in his last year, but I don't think you should air your views... especially when they're not true. All you can do is your best to try and keep him. We are trying our best on that front."
Rumours of a move to Manchester United - managed by Vlaar's former Dutch national manager Louis van Gaal - have existed since the World Cup, where the centre-back made seven appearances.
BBC Radio 5 live Midlands football reporter, Pat Murphy
Even though Villa chief executive Tom Fox made it clear Vlaar wouldn't be sold in January, Lambert is a realist. He wants him to stay but at 29 Vlaar will be eyeing one more lucrative move.
There have been no bids for him since the World Cup and Lambert hopes the player, now he is aware of the situation this week, will be having a word or two with his agent and will try to start meaningful negotiations. But if Vlaar continues to listen to his agent, I think he will be off next summer.
How about doo-doo instead of Concrete?Or if / when it becomes clear he doesn't want to stay, 'Do-do one Ron'
Doo-doo Ron Ron Ron, Doo-doo Ron Ron.
There you go, nickname and terrace chant in one.
Kind of an injury prone rat hobbling off a deflating dinghy
Vlaar i can understand because you don't want to be offering a three year deal to someones who stuggles with injuries. Delph is a puzzle, probably our best player this season with the best years in front of him yet his contract has been allowed to run down, is there something else going on?
Vlaar i can understand because you don't want to be offering a three year deal to someones who stuggles with injuries. Delph is a puzzle, probably our best player this season with the best years in front of him yet his contract has been allowed to run down, is there something else going on?
Yes, it's called Delph having the ambition to not want to play shit football week in week out in a losing side.
Vlaar i can understand because you don't want to be offering a three year deal to someones who stuggles with injuries. Delph is a puzzle, probably our best player this season with the best years in front of him yet his contract has been allowed to run down, is there something else going on?
Yes, it's called Delph having the ambition to not want to play shit football week in week out in a losing side.
The thing is he isn't good enough to play for a top 6 team so his options for real progress will be limited. Although better than playing for us in the championship!
Fabian has allegedly agreed graciously to stay with us to the end of the season then leave. I'd like to offer him my personal thanks.
Fabian has allegedly agreed graciously to stay with us to the end of the season then leave. I'd like to offer him my personal thanks.According to the Times today, we are negotiating a swap deal for Delph and Holtby with Spuds in January. All the rights wrongs and wherefores, this is probably about as good a deal as we could hope for out of a ridiculous situation.
Fabian has allegedly agreed graciously to stay with us to the end of the season then leave. I'd like to offer him my personal thanks.
The first couple of players we've had that could get a few pennies in the coffers for a good few years and they're going on a free, pisses me off.
Fabian has allegedly agreed graciously to stay with us to the end of the season then leave. I'd like to offer him my personal thanks.
Fabian has allegedly agreed graciously to stay with us to the end of the season then leave. I'd like to offer him my personal thanks.
The first couple of players we've had that could get a few pennies in the coffers for a good few years and they're going on a free, pisses me off.
It's ok though. Randy's done another one of those corporate video thingys so we can all feel good about ourselves while he blunders from one fuck up to the next.
Their collective level of buffoonery is perfectly summed up in the contract situation we've got on our hands.
The club have made him an offer and he has not accepted it what else do you expect them to do?
Delph is definitely over rated IMHO. He is a liability in terms of cautions and just doesn't do it enough and often enough to warrant any sort of clamour more than a mid table PL player. So he's got a couple of England caps, so has John Stones. England are crap.
If someone wants to pay him silly money let them it's just a shame we aren't able to sell him for £10m or beyond .
Any chance you can make your point without calling their post "dumb" because it's a different opinion to yours?
The vibes are bad re Vlaar but lets be honest, is he top 4 material? He is injury prone and that wont change as he gets older
The vibes are bad re Vlaar but lets be honest, is he top 4 material? He is injury prone and that wont change as he gets older
He's not top four material, but why should that bother us? Right now he is one of our better players. I think it would be good to hold on to him for another couple of seasons, but I don't know if that is realistic.
The vibes are bad re Vlaar but lets be honest, is he top 4 material? He is injury prone and that wont change as he gets older
He's not top four material, but why should that bother us? Right now he is one of our better players. I think it would be good to hold on to him for another couple of seasons, but I don't know if that is realistic.
It seems quite obvious he dont want to stay, dont want any player at my team who does not want to wear the great shirt. To be fair he has kept quiet about things and has not slagged the club off,
As opposed to House of Frazier?
Ron Vlaar has hailed the performances of Jores Okore and Ciaran Clark and also spoke of his delight at playing alongside the in-form pair in the impressive draw with Man Utd.
The skipper believes the manager's decision to switch from a flat back four to three in the heart of the defence hastened his own return to the starting XI for the Red Devils encounter.
But he was thrilled to be back nonetheless and spoke of a determination to stay fit ahead of a hectic festive schedule, starting with Swansea on Boxing Day.
He said: "It's been a strange season - played a few games, injured, played a few games, injured.
"So let's hope I stay fit now. I believe in that. I trust in that.
"With the team it's going quite well to be honest. It's been hard to sit in the stands and watch the games when I've been injured but it's great to be back and it was good to play a full 90 minutes on Saturday.
"Let's push on now for more. It's too bad that we lost our unbeaten run against West Brom but let's hope we started it again on Saturday.
"Against Man Utd, we had some opportunities at the end. We were a little bit unlucky.
"We worked really hard. It was really good to be part of it. If we do that in every game, we will be hard to beat.
"I think Jores and Ciaran are doing well. I have been pleased to see that, especially with Jores after his tough season last year with the big injury he had.
"He has now come back and he's a great player.
"It's not always been easy for Ciaran but I really think he stepped up and did great.
"I think I had to be lucky that the manager chose three central defenders.
"Everyone is pushing everyone else forward which is great for the team and will improve us.
"I am used to the three man defence. In the summer we did the same with the national team. We did it a few times last year too.
"We grew together. I think it looked really solid.
"They didn't have big chances. They had one just before the goal from Robin van Persie but other than that Brad just had to make saves from far."
Wasn't it before the 15-0 that we were using 3 men at the back - with herd being 1 of them - and then dispensed of it after Wigan?
As Tom Cleverley is joining us on permanent deal why not just do a straight swap deal with no fee.
According to Sky Sports Vlaar has said that the only clubs that have showed interest in him are clubs he wouldn't leave Villa for and if Man U had he would have heard. I really think with his injury record an extension to his contract is the best offer he will get.
Out for four to six weeks according to ssn
According to Sky Sports Vlaar has said that the only clubs that have showed interest in him are clubs he wouldn't leave Villa for and if Man U had he would have heard. I really think with his injury record an extension to his contract is the best offer he will get.
I think he has been quite unfortunate, really.
He has a brilliant World Cup, his stock is sky high, his availability is known to all, and then not too far into the season he gets another one of those injuries he picks up all the time and spends a fair chunk of time unable to play.
Poor timing, but a perfect illustration of his problems.
I wouldn't be heart broken if he went, as we'd cope, but having said that, there is an element of "well, at last some good fucking news" to be had if he stays.
He's not really injured. He's got those doctors fooled!
Out for four to six weeks according to ssn
BBC Sport says a knee injury
Out for four to six weeks according to ssn
BBC Sport says a knee injury
He seemed to clash knees with a Palace player on the touchline. Wouldn't have thought that would have caused such a significant injury.
Plastic Ron strikes again
According to Sky Sports Vlaar has said that the only clubs that have showed interest in him are clubs he wouldn't leave Villa for and if Man U had he would have heard. I really think with his injury record an extension to his contract is the best offer he will get.I'm sure we've made him offers and he's turned them down.
Plastic Ron strikes again
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PolystyRon
Plastic Ron strikes again
PolystyRon
I really am not sure about this one. I have no issues with players not wanting to play for this Aston Villa at the moment but ordinarily I'd be castigating him. Well, maybe. I didn't think Friedel was that good with us but many thought hw deserved one last pay day froma signing on fee. i didn't see it that way.Yep, it's certainly not as clear-cut as it was when he was first linked with a move away. I definitely wouldn't be as apathetic about it as, say, Cleverley not signing, but I wouldn't be inconsolable either.
With Vlaar i am in two minds. We are current;y pretty solid at the back and have 5 centre-halves who all look good enough. However, Vlaar undoubtedly looks the better centre-half when he slots in there. So, go if you must but we will miss him. I think.
If anyone offered us anything for him this Jan i'd be tempted to take it. I certainly wouldn't be offering him a new contract. It doesn't matter how good he is if he's spending so much time out injured.
I feel bad for the bloke. Regardless of his contract he always played his heart out for us. I hope he has a speedy recovery.Blimey some people have short memories.
I wouldn't say it was lack of effort. He's probably never been fit all season, and it was more a case of a bad game. In all honesty he's an okay player who happened to look better than perhaps he is (on a consistent basis) because of the World Cup.I feel bad for the bloke. Regardless of his contract he always played his heart out for us. I hope he has a speedy recovery.Blimey some people have short memories.
Qpr away anyone ?
He seemed to be giving a lot more in the WC than he has in a villa shirt.
If he's buggering off in the summer who replaces him as captain? I'm usually not fussed about that sort of thing but I suspect making Gabby captain would just make it even less likely that he stops being started every game.
WIUSH Ron
If he's buggering off in the summer who replaces him as captain? I'm usually not fussed about that sort of thing but I suspect making Gabby captain would just make it even less likely that he stops being started every game.I reckon Westwood. Might have been Delph if were staying, but I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
If he's buggering off in the summer who replaces him as captain? I'm usually not fussed about that sort of thing but I suspect making Gabby captain would just make it even less likely that he stops being started every game.I reckon Westwood. Might have been Delph if were staying, but I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
He could well do.If he's buggering off in the summer who replaces him as captain? I'm usually not fussed about that sort of thing but I suspect making Gabby captain would just make it even less likely that he stops being started every game.I reckon Westwood. Might have been Delph if were staying, but I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
Senderos might make a decent captain.
Certainly not Gabby. I cannot think of a worst choice.If he's buggering off in the summer who replaces him as captain? I'm usually not fussed about that sort of thing but I suspect making Gabby captain would just make it even less likely that he stops being started every game.I reckon Westwood. Might have been Delph if were staying, but I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
Senderos might make a decent captain.
Maybe we should have a poll on him. How many league games will he manage for us this season assuming he stays.
It's his meniscus again , i hear.Thought that was one of the decathlon events.
It's his meniscus again , i hear.Thought that was one of the decathlon events.
Weak Cartilages to go with weak calf muscles!......Concrete Ron?
Aston Villa skipper Ron Vlaar on Stoke howler: I want to show I'm better than that
Vlaar ready for his first appearance since his Potters mistake
16:00, 31 March 2015
By Gregg Evans
Ron Vlaar is determined to make up for his Stoke shocker when he next pulls on an Aston Villa shirt.
Vlaar has declared himself fit for this weekend's trip to Manchester United and he is hoping to atone for his costly error against the Potters.
The Dutch defender was sent off in Tim Sherwood's first match in charge after conceding a last minute penalty, which resulted in a 2-1 defeat for Villa.
With eight Premier League games remaining Vlaar is determined to play a part in Villa’s survival bid and is desperate to make amends.
“It was my last moment I played in a game because I got injured after that so I want to show I’m better than that,” he said.
“It cost us big and it was frustrating because I was responsible.
“You have to get rid of the feeling but I haven’t had a new chance yet because I haven’t played.
“I know I can do better and everyone here has helped me get over it.”
Vlaar will step up his training this week ahead of the Old Trafford clash.
While he hasn’t taken part in many Bodymoor Heath sessions under the new regime, the 30-year-old has noticed the huge lift that Sherwood has brought.
“It feels really good - it’s different now, there’s more energy and that’s a good thing.
“You could see from the start, it’s a new chance for everyone. You can feel it all over the place.
“Some good results have helped and we are looking at the bright side now.
“We are still in a hard situation but the results over the last few weeks are getting better.
“It’s unlucky that we lost to Swansea, because a point would have been good.
“But we can build on the recent results and that’s a really good thing.”
I hope he comes back and plays a blinder. We need him to step up this weekend. A point is a must at Old Trafford.
I'd say it is a must in the sense that the last thing we want is to go into the QPR game, which will be high pressure enough on the back of two defeats. Get a point and even a point vs QPR screws them more than us with games running out. Had we got something vs Swansea then maybe it takes the pressure of the game this weekend but we need to get something from this game. At this stage picking up points, be they one or obviously three just puts that little more pressure on those around us.If I thought an away game at old Trafford to an in form Man Utd with a host of defensive injuries was a must win I'd be panicking. I'm not at panic stations yet
I'd say it is a must in the sense that the last thing we want is to go into the QPR game, which will be high pressure enough on the back of two defeats. Get a point and even a point vs QPR screws them more than us with games running out. Had we got something vs Swansea then maybe it takes the pressure of the game this weekend but we need to get something from this game. At this stage picking up points, be they one or obviously three just puts that little more pressure on those around us.If I thought an away game at old Trafford to an in form Man Utd with a host of defensive injuries was a must win I'd be panicking. I'm not at panic stations yet
We need to try and pick up as many points as we can if possible. Just because Man Utd are not below us dosen't make it any less of an important game.Nobodies said that.
Come on TV. It's not a "must draw" game. Seriously you can't believe this
We need to try and pick up as many points as we can if possible. Just because Man Utd are not below us dosen't make it any less of an important game.Nobodies said that.
Come on TV. It's not a "must draw" game. Seriously you can't believe this
We need to keep picking up points. There will be a load of miserable people on here if we drop back into the bottom three if we lose so our attitude has to be go get a win, and at the very least get a point. Burnley beat Man City, drew at Chelsea. There is no reason we can't get something at Man U. I certainly don't look at this as a nailed on defeat. In fact the international break came at a good time because it interrupts the bit of momentum they had going.
Come on TV. It's not a "must draw" game. Seriously you can't believe this
We need to keep picking up points. There will be a load of miserable people on here if we drop back into the bottom three if we lose so our attitude has to be go get a win, and at the very least get a point. Burnley beat Man City, drew at Chelsea. There is no reason we can't get something at Man U. I certainly don't look at this as a nailed on defeat. In fact the international break came at a good time because it interrupts the bit of momentum they had going.
If Burnley can beat Man City we can do Man U. We're not in bad nick and we have players in form.
I hope we do have a go at them. Going there and playing for a 0-0 won't work as we all know. If we play as we did at the stadium of light anything is achievable.
I'd love to see old Trafford emptying on 32 mins.
I hope we do have a go at them. Going there and playing for a 0-0 won't work as we all know. If we play as we did at the stadium of light anything is achievable.
I'd love to see old Trafford emptying on 32 mins.
I really dislike ManU. I would absolutely love it if we beat them there.
hope Ron, has a stormer, then bye bye
Ron Vlaar says Villa are brimming with confidence after their Tottenham win and head to Wembley in high spirits.
Vlaar was beaming on the final whistle as Tim Sherwood's team earned three valuable points to give us a positive outlook heading into the final five games of the Barclays Premier League season.
Concrete Ron says there was delight after the 1-0 victory - and means everyone of claret and blue persuasion marches to the FA Cup semi-final with belief.
He told AVTV: "I am really pleased. We are all really pleased.
"The relief was in the dressing room and with the fans in the stands.
"It's something we really needed after a disappointing result on Tuesday - a game we all wanted to win.
"It didn't happen then but to come away to Tottenham and beat them at their place is massive for us.
"It also gives us a huge boost ahead of the FA Cup semi-final. We can build on this.
"Everyone worked so hard to get the result.
"I thought we deserved a second - or even a third goal.
"But mentally to get the one goal, the clean sheet and win the game, maybe that's bigger than if we had won more comfortably.
"I thought we didn't give much away - only one chance which Brad saved when it was 0-0 in the first half.
"It was just a massive win and a great day for us.
"We obviously have to get more points to stay in the division, that's the most important thing.
"But we can build on this win and look to play really well in the semi-final against Liverpool."
Idon'twant to beat the bindippers' with a drum, but I would consider playing Okore as a deep lying midfielder in the Sanchez role and putting him on Coutinho. It would also give us extra presence at set pieces where they are non too clever defensively (mind you, nor are we offensively)
Thought he was very good today and played with real leadership at the back.Offer him a one year deal if he can stay fit the rest of the season.
Thought he was very good today and played with real leadership at the back.
Thought he was very good today and played with real leadership at the back.Offer him a one year deal if he can stay fit the rest of the season.
He could have fucked off after Stoke for me. I'm a tool.He's looked fit in the last two games. I think that's the key really. In defence of him against Stoke, he was half fit and dying on his arse when he made that desperate challenge.
He could have fucked off after Stoke for me. I'm a tool.He's looked fit in the last two games. I think that's the key really. In defence of him against Stoke, he was half fit and dying on his arse when he made that desperate challenge.
When he is fit (sadly all too rarely) he's a class player though.
He could have fucked off after Stoke for me. I'm a tool.There were quite a few who played today who have had a load of stick on here over the season because we were so frustrated at the performance levels and results. Even Benteke was getting slated. Good job the manager has more patience than us fans!
He could have fucked off after Stoke for me. I'm a tool.He's looked fit in the last two games. I think that's the key really. In defence of him against Stoke, he was half fit and dying on his arse when he made that desperate challenge.
When he is fit (sadly all too rarely) he's a class player though.
This summer is going to be very interesting, and when you consider all the players due back from loans what will TS think of them as he hasn't had chance to work with them.Certainly. I think Tonev will have to be moved on. Even if we have to give him away back to Bulgaria.
I think Gardner & Robinson will be guaranteed a chance under Sherwood next season, not sure about the rest of those loanees though.I think he'll make his mind up on those loanees by the end of July and get them out the door in the next month if he can and wants to.
Maybe a two year deal and we can sell him for a few quid next summer if he's not playing enough. But I think as long as you can get at least 20 games a season out of Ron and play him when he's fully fit, then he's worth having around. He's a good player. We now have options at CH and should he be missing it's not quite the disaster it used to be. Clark and Baker have both matured fantastically this season. Okore looks good. Senderos is useful (though even more injury prone than Ron).Apparently Clark and Baker are out for the rest of the season, so we dont need more injuries, Senderos did 90 minutes with the kids last night.
I think giving him a deal makes sense. Otherwise we have to spend valuable transfer budget replacing him. Fullback and midfield are the key areas we need to invest in this summer.
Even if he walked out at the end of the season who else out there is going to give him a 3 or 4 year contract? His injury record is horrendous and the reason why the ManUs will stay away. He's a cracking player of that there is no doubt, but anyone, us included would need to see him to be available for at least 75% of fixtures to warrant a 3 or 4 year deal. I'm sure Fox is fully aware of what needs to be done.I suspect what Ron wants is to just feel wanted. Obviously the contracts debacle of last summer probably didn't help. After the World Cup we should have been tying him down. Delph signing earlier this year came totally out of the blue as it seemed we'd basically lost him.
Has been superb the last two matches.
Even if he walked out at the end of the season who else out there is going to give him a 3 or 4 year contract? His injury record is horrendous and the reason why the ManUs will stay away. He's a cracking player of that there is no doubt, but anyone, us included would need to see him to be available for at least 75% of fixtures to warrant a 3 or 4 year deal. I'm sure Fox is fully aware of what needs to be done.I suspect what Ron wants is to just feel wanted. Obviously the contracts debacle of last summer probably didn't help. After the World Cup we should have been tying him down. Delph signing earlier this year came totally out of the blue as it seemed we'd basically lost him.
We can go to him in the summer. He'll hopefully be sensible enough to know that no one in the top flight is gonna give him a long deal. But as long as we don't take the piss, he'll probably stay. He and his family are settled. I don't think Ron's gonna make silly demands. He doesn't strike me as that sort of player.
Has been superb the last two matches.
Putting himself in the shop window?
I hope he signs for United now..
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-not-9094286
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He (Vlaar) is a decent player, he had a good World Cup, but is he top level?.
I imagine 95% of us would agree he's not good enough for the top four or five clubs. Lots of us have spent the last several months saying he's not good enough for us to worry too much whether he stays or goes.Not sure about that.
He is a very good defender and if fit I think we'd be receiving inquiries from other clubs for sure. However, and I would level this at all of our current defenders, he just doesn't score nearly enough goals. Remember what is was like with Martin Laurson at the back, I assumed we'd score or he's get his head to every corner or free-kick in the opposition half! Really lacking in that dept. in my opinion.
Sorry what was that you said about Savage I didn't quite catch it?
Savage is a dreadful, dreadful idiot and an awful pundit
I imagine 95% of us would agree he's not good enough for the top four or five clubs. Lots of us have spent the last several months saying he's not good enough for us to worry too much whether he stays or goes.Not sure about that.
Chris Smalling, Tyler Blackett, Eliaquim Mangala, Kolo Toure, Dejan Lovren and Johnny Evans are all considered to be good enough for the top four or five clubs.
At the moment a defender doesn't need to be Vidic, Campbell or Hyypia to play for them, and a fit Ron Vlaar (a bit of an oxymoron, admittedly) is more than good enough to usurp any of that lot above.
If Vlaar played for another middling side who had just reached the FA Cup Final, he wouldn't pass comment at all. He is just sticking his oar in because it's Villa. The prick.
Savage is alright.
I know he's a bit of a wind up merchant, but I think he's generally pretty fair. I don't sense much anti-Villa in what he says most of the time. You're wrong on that
As a pundit he's ok. He's awful, his delivery and whiny voice are particularly annoying Not particularly insightful not insightful at all but he's prepared to say what he thinks he says what he thinks people want to hear, his research and knowledge are lacking for the job he's in a reasonable amount of the time I agree with him. Have a look at yourself.
Good at putting down morons is he? I don't know about that as when I hear him on the radio now I switch to another channel. What I do know is that when he first started the phone in thing any caller's opinion didn't count as they'd never played the game at his level. That's how much of a twat he is. I resent the fact that some of my license fee goes to pay his wages.
Since when is putting down morons a required skill for being a pundit? I just don't know what he did in his career (in a positive way) that qualifies him to be a pundit. Play for a top club? No. Won lots of trophies? No. Have a keen intellect and have an incisive insight? No. Make controversial comments to raise his profile? Yes. He's the Katie Hopkins of the football world.
Aston Villa: Ron Vlaar has his say on losing the captaincy to Fabian Delph
12:00, 5 May 2015 By Mat Kendrick
'I would have still liked to do the job - but Fabian has developed as a leader.'
Ron Vlaar admits he would still like to be Aston Villa captain after losing the armband to Fabian Delph.
But the former skipper acknowledges that Delph has developed the leadership qualities to do the job.
Delph was handed the captaincy by Tim Sherwood during Vlaar's latest injury-enforced absence.
And the new manager decided to stick with the England midfielder as skipper even when Vlaar returned to action.
The honour had been the Dutch international defender's since he took over from Darren Bent in September 2012.
"I did the job with honour and pride for nearly three years and I gave everything - but I still give everything," said Vlaar.
"It doesn't matter whether I wear the armband or not.
"I would still have liked to do the job but it doesn't make a difference to me. "I haven't been fit for most of the season which has been frustrating because I want to play and I want to play well. I want to be important for the team. We are all in this together."
Vlaar, whose contract expires at the end of the season, believes Villa are in safe hands with Delph as captain.
"When I came back into the team Fabian was captain, and that's no problem," he added.
"I think Fabian has developed as a leader of the team. He's ready for it now; you can see that on the pitch and you can see it off the pitch.
"He has grown as a leader and he's the right person for the job. But it's not about me or about Fabian being captain. It's about the team."
Said for a while, there are very few top drawer centre backs in the league. A solid, reliable, steady player is worth keeping hold of because even most of the ones at the top sides have serious issues. Terry and Cahill are considered the best in the league, but both are shown up in Europe and at times at home by mobile strikers that turn a defence, while Cahill has never been great in a physical battle. The Man City lot are pretty woeful and make a lot of seriously silly errors. All at Liverpool apart from Skrtl make basic mistakes almost weekly. Koscielny is a really good player now, but Mertesacker is incredibly slow and gets caught out. That Gabriel looks a decent player, could be interesting to see how he goes next season. But all in all, if any of them outside Chelsea came in for Vlaar it would not shock me at all, because if they found the magic elixir to keep him fit, he is a pretty steady, solid defender.
He knows his options are limited because of his injury problems this season. Given that his performances haven't been altogether convincing since he has come back, which I blame squarely on him needing time to get back up to match fitness, so if we stay up then a Villa moving in the rigth direction may be as attractive a proposition as he'll get. 3 years or a 2+1, though?
With his injury record and age etc, if he doesn't want to stay (or has a better offer in the wings) fine.
Use his wages for signing a younger version and rely on Baker, Clark, Okore, Senderos, Lowton? and Donacien. I don't think CB is a priority considering the cover we've got.
Perhaps TS has got someone lined up?
With his injury record and age etc, if he doesn't want to stay (or has a better offer in the wings) fine.
Use his wages for signing a younger version and rely on Baker, Clark, Okore, Senderos, Lowton? and Donacien. I don't think CB is a priority considering the cover we've got.
Perhaps TS has got someone lined up?
I think Senderos did a good quality job for us when he has been available, but unfortunately he is way to injury prone, like concrete.
I'm still on the fence with Okore, although I was damn excited when we signed him, out of all CB's we have, I would give this guy a chance with a new quality CB signing.
I would use Baker and Clarke as back up, they do show promise but also can lose concentration sometimes.
And I feel a new GK is a must, with new CB and Okore in position for few months to get some stability into defence.
As for Vlaar, Auf Wiedersehen Pet
I can't see the summer's news being so good that we can afford to just blithely wave goodbye to our best defender.
We selling Okore then?
... so we are relying on Clark and Baker to remain fit to keep the balance.Clark's long term fitness has never really been in question - this injury is his first significant one, I think. Baker is a different proposition, though, and he either needs to get sorted or we should be looking for back-up alternative (assuming Senderos is also unable to prove his long term fitness).
From last week being interviewed and saying he can't wait until next season to help push the club on to now when it has been somebody said that it had been reported that he said he will not be staying.
I may be wrong but I know which comment I think is correct.
I definitely want him to stay.
I definitely want him to stay.
So do I, but fitted with robotic calf replacements.
I definitely want him to stay.
So do I, but fitted with robotic calf replacements.
ROBOVLAAR
I definitely want him to stay.
So do I, but fitted with robotic calf replacements.
ROBOVLAAR
I'm rubbish at these internet abbreviations, what does that mean?
I definitely want him to stay.
So do I, but fitted with robotic calf replacements.
ROBOVLAAR
I'm rubbish at these internet abbreviations, what does that mean?
Seems to be a few doubters to what I heard on SSN earlier so here's Koemans press conference from today...don't shoot the messenger! Questions about about Vlaar and media guy stating his agent has served notice to Villa from 5:30-6:30:
Vlaar MOTM today.Yes that was announced by the Southampton with ten minutes to go as elected by their supporters!
He's utter shite.
Vlaar and £5 million for cleverly if I was sherwood
I like to think we're showing him the door, rather than him leaving us.
On his day he can be a decent defender. But those days are interrupted by lengthy injury lay offs, and he also has the ability to be a total disaster. So on that basis, I'm oot.
Vlaar and £5 million for cleverly if I was sherwood
How much of the negative feeling towards Vlaar is due to him not signing an extension to his contract at the beginning of the season (a bit like the Houlier Anfield saga).
My concern is that we need a right left combination in the centre of the defence. Okore and Vlaar are right side and Clark and Baker left side. Okore and Clark looked good together but they are far too inexperienced as a pair. Clark is ahead of Baker by quite a way in my opinion and I would like to see both given at least half a season to see if they continue their improvement. The problem with the four of them is that none can play fullback in emergency.
Not sure whether I would bring in a central defender on the right or left.
Vlaar and £5 million for cleverly if I was sherwood
Why would we give them any money for Cleverley when he's out of contract in the summer?
Vlaar can walk up the M6.
How much of the negative feeling towards Vlaar is due to him not signing an extension to his contract at the beginning of the season (a bit like the Houlier Anfield saga).
My concern is that we need a right left combination in the centre of the defence. Okore and Vlaar are right side and Clark and Baker left side. Okore and Clark looked good together but they are far too inexperienced as a pair. Clark is ahead of Baker by quite a way in my opinion and I would like to see both given at least half a season to see if they continue their improvement. The problem with the four of them is that none can play fullback in emergency.
Not sure whether I would bring in a central defender on the right or left.
I think Clark has probably been our most consistent player this season tbh, and he could play left back, not sure in the managers style though lol. I agree with you re the negative comments about Vlaar, he is a sitting target now.
If Vlaar stays, then I still think we need another centre back that is left sided. I know it sounds crazy, but Clark, Baker, Vlaar and Senderos are all made of glass. Okore is 22 and making the mistakes Clark made at that age, centre halves have to mature and at his age will have some bloody awful games.
I don't want him, but Caulker is having a tough time because of the lack of any consistency around him in my opinion. He is a fairly young defender and needs time to develop too. Stones will suffer in the same way at Everton before long.
I'd still like him to stay. He had a shocker on Saturday, but so did a lot of players. When he's on form he's a great asset.
Keown, Southgate, Mellberg, Riccy Scimeca, Kent Nielsen.......
he's probably Carl Tiler class.
Keown, Southgate, Mellberg, Riccy Scimeca, Kent Nielsen.......
he's probably Carl Tiler class.
And one of the best defenders at the World Cup last year was.......?
"World Cup" and "last year" have one thing in common. They are both in the past.
And one of the best defenders at the World Cup last year was.......?
Hes consistently cos us goals for three years and is nowhere near as good as he seems to think he is. Hes not in the same class as a Teale, Laursen or Ehiogu not to mention Macca himself.
If you could keep him on sensible wage/contract length I'd say he's worth keeping around but that isn't going to be the case; this is the last big contract of his career and without a fee he'll be able to command a massive wage. We'd need to make him one of our best paid players.
All of which leads me to think it will be a mutual parting of ways come the summer.
Keown, Southgate, Mellberg, Riccy Scimeca, Kent Nielsen.......
he's probably Carl Tiler class.
And one of the best defenders at the World Cup last year was.......?
Vlaar was one of the worst defenders at the Euros? We talking the same bloke who received worldwide plaudits for keeping Messi quiet for an entire game? That's the Lionel Messi by the way who is arguably the best player in the game today.
Vlaar was one of the worst defenders at the Euros? We talking the same bloke who received worldwide plaudits for keeping Messi quiet for an entire game? That's the Lionel Messi by the way who is arguably the best player in the game today.
You know Messi can't play at the Euros right?
Vlaar was one of the worst defenders at the Euros? We talking the same bloke who received worldwide plaudits for keeping Messi quiet for an entire game? That's the Lionel Messi by the way who is arguably the best player in the game today.
You know Messi can't play at the Euros right?
Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.
Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.
I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.
Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.
I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.
He was poor at that Euros, as were most of the Dutch which is why they finished bottom of their group with zero points.
You really don't think a player can play well above, or below, his ability for a 3-6 game period?
Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't ;)
I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.
Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't ;)
I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.
My point was being shit and performing below par are not the same thing.
Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't ;)
I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.
My point was being shit and performing below par are not the same thing.
Rooney was top class at a Euros and has more often than not been shit at every other tournament. It does happen to players.
Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.
I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.
Vlaar was one of the worst defenders at the Euros? We talking the same bloke who received worldwide plaudits for keeping Messi quiet for an entire game? That's the Lionel Messi by the way who is arguably the best player in the game today.
You know Messi can't play at the Euros right?
this reminds me of when Christian was on fire early on in his Villa career...a West Ham fan in our village said that when Benteke fucks off to the Africa Cup of Nations...we'd be fucked...
;D ;D ;D
UTV
The Doc
Sherwood mentioned Vlaar (and Okore) have been playing through injuries the past couple of games. The Vlaar one is news to me but puts into perspective his Southampton performance.
Sherwood mentioned Vlaar (and Okore) have been playing through injuries the past couple of games. The Vlaar one is news to me but puts into perspective his Southampton performance.
Is it really a surprise though?
Tim Sherwood: Ron Vlaar is staying at Aston Villa
Sherwood confirms he has held talks with Vlaar and expects the Holland international to sign a new contract
Tim Sherwood has revealed that Ron Vlaar is ready to sign a new contract with Aston Villa.
Sherwood has confirmed he has held talks with Vlaar and expects the Holland international to stay at the club beyond this summer.
Earlier this year Vlaar seemed certain to leave on a free transfer, with Southampton and Napoli both considering moves at the end of this season.
But the appointment of Sherwood has revitalised the 30-year-old and he is now ready to discuss a new deal after Villa secured their Premier League status last weekend.
Sherwood said: “I’ve told Ron I want him to stay and he’s said he wants to.
“His representatives are going to talk to the club and I’m confident something can be done. Are we close? Well put it this way, we’re not a million miles away.
“He’s a man who is quite rightly in demand but I can see him being here next season. He’s indicated to me that he’s happy and I’m thinking exactly the same way, so I’m sure it will get done.
“Ron’s going to have a lot of options. He’s not long come back from a World Cup where he had a really good tournament.”
Vlaar was signed from Feyenoord for £3.2million in 2012 and has been club captain, though he was replaced as skipper by Fabian Delph earlier this year.
Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.
I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.
Plenty raised concerns at the time of his signing due to his injury problems and also his hopeless performance at the Euros before he joined. It looked like our defence in Lambert's first season would include Given, Vlaar and Dunne. The three of them would have been in a worst X1 at Euro 2012.
Play Ron on the right side of a well organised central defence in a 2 or 3 for 20 games a season, and he is the dog's bollocks. Van Gaal might be interested in such a prospect. And a few MLS or yerpeen clubs, I would say. We shall see soon enough.
I am sure TS would like to replace him in an ideal world, but the budget will be the major factor.
Its in most of the nationals about the club and Vlaar wanting to get a contract sorted with Sherwood saying that they aren't far off agreeing a deal. The Evening/Birmingham (whatever) mail's line? '...Sherwood claims that both parties would like to strike a deal but so far there has been no breakthrough'. Why even try and put a negative spin on it when the story is that both parties are in talks?Because it's the Birmingham Mail.
It is worth adding that if we can convince both Delph and Vlaar to accept contract extensions when they presumably could have learnt more money elsewhere is a pretty big positive.I think this an important point: from the outside, it looks like TS has created a sense of stability and that has to be a good thing when considering potential signings over the summer.
For me it's more to do with his limited options
After a few high profile blunders I'm sure no teams in the champs league will be Queing up for him
Especially with his injury record
He probably expected a few big game suitors to come in for him on a free, but they haven't and he's realised Villa are his best option now
I'm not having a go at him for this, it's his right to look at all the options available at 30 years old,
I would be happy to sign him although I don't think him and Okore works particularly well
Ironically Baker doesn't generally pick up his injuries through putting his body on the line.I've seen him carried / stretchered / limp off a fair few times last 4 seasons
Ironically Baker doesn't generally pick up his injuries through putting his body on the line.I've seen him carried / stretchered / limp off a fair few times last 4 seasons
The good thing to come out of the CB injury crisis is that nearly everyone who has come in has at some point played well.
The good thing to come out of the CB injury crisis is that nearly everyone who has come in has at some point played well.
Only QPR and Newcastle have conceded more goals than us so individual performances haven't been backed up by a vital statistic.
The good thing to come out of the CB injury crisis is that nearly everyone who has come in has at some point played well.
Only QPR and Newcastle have conceded more goals than us so individual performances haven't been backed up by a vital statistic.
Part of that has to be the fact that we have chopped and changed so much at that position. We never have developed any consistency.
Bit harsh categorising Baker alongside Senderos. The former is a tough brave young centre back who's injuries largely materialise from putting his body on the line, the latter seems to pick up a 6 month spell out through innocuous niggles .and 10 years in age that makes a big difference.
I think our best defensive display has been Spurs away. Ron on the right, Clark then Baker on the left. He was imperious and kept Kane silent all game. He carried that into the game at Wembley. Since then playing on the left he hasn't looked as assured.
I think our best defensive display has been Spurs away. Ron on the right, Clark then Baker on the left. He was imperious and kept Kane silent all game. He carried that into the game at Wembley. Since then playing on the left he hasn't looked as assured.
Whisper it but our best defensive displays were under Lambert. Liverpool and West Ham away.
I think our best defensive display has been Spurs away. Ron on the right, Clark then Baker on the left. He was imperious and kept Kane silent all game. He carried that into the game at Wembley. Since then playing on the left he hasn't looked as assured.
Whisper it but our best defensive displays were under Lambert. Liverpool and West Ham away.
Bit harsh categorising Baker alongside Senderos. The former is a tough brave young centre back who's injuries largely materialise from putting his body on the line, the latter seems to pick up a 6 month spell out through innocuous niggles .
Agree. Baker may be worth further investment as younger. The other two belong in Cocoon.
I would be happy if he was to resign however the deal needs to be structured so that he can only earn full wage if he plays a certain amount of games. It does not make sense to offer another long term deal without any play percentage conditions. 2 years at decent base plus contingent top up if he is available for % of games.
I would play Baker and Okore against Burnley, and if Baker comes through Baker and Vlaar in the final. The balance has to be right.
I would play Baker and Okore against Burnley, and if Baker comes through Baker and Vlaar in the final. The balance has to be right.
I would play Baker and Okore against Burnley, and if Baker comes through Baker and Vlaar in the final. The balance has to be right.
I'd go with that.
I would play Baker and Okore against Burnley, and if Baker comes through Baker and Vlaar in the final. The balance has to be right.
I'd go with that.
Sherwood has already said he's carrying an injury, as is okore
To say it's a concern ahead of Walcott, ozil and Sanchez would be an understatement
“He (Okore) really has gritted his teeth and got us over the line in the Premier League because he thought that was the priority.
“He is not thinking about himself. His performances, particularly with this injury considered, have been excellent.
“I think him and Ron (Vlaar) have been quality. The fans don’t see that side. The guys know they are putting themselves on offer.
“They are going in trying to do their job having at times only been able to train once a week, especially when you need to be switched on and fit, so I think they have done brilliantly.”
Vlaar is another player who is sticking to a light workload.
Sherwood knows the Dutchman is experienced enough to manage his own body but cut down his training time himself to improve his low appearance record.
Sherwood has already said he's carrying an injury, as is okore
To say it's a concern ahead of Walcott, ozil and Sanchez would be an understatement
Why on earth didn't Sherwood rest him ahead of the Final?? Senderos could've payed surely? He wasn't even on the bench. Is he part of a new 'bomb' squad with Gil??
Darren Bent and Enda Stevens have both been released by Villa.
Bent and Stevens are at the end of their claret and blue contracts and are now on free transfers.
Bent joined in January 2011 in a record-breaking deal from Sunderland.
He scored on his debut against Manchester City in an enthralling 1-0 victory at Villa Park.
Bent went on an inspired run of form at the beginning of his claret and blue career, including goals at the Emirates in a 2-0 win for Villa - and he also netted in games against Manchester United, Bolton and Everton to guide the club to a ninth-place finish.
He completed the term as joint top scorer with nine goals in 16 Barclays Premier League appearances, despite only joining in the New Year transfer window.
Even though he missed the last three months of the season due to injury, striker Bent still did well in the 2011-12 term.
He once again found himself at the top of the club's scoring charts, finishing the season with 10 in 25 appearances.
Bent didn't feature much under Paul Lambert - as the then boss brought in Christian Benteke, who generally partnered the likes of Gabby Agbonlahor and Andreas Weimann.
He spent the previous season on loan at both Brighton and Derby County.
In total, Bent scored 25 goals in 72 appearances.
Stevens joined Villa from Shamrock Rovers in January 2012.
The deal to sign Stevens was agreed back in August 2011, but the Republic of Ireland U21 starlet remained with the League of Ireland champions to participate in their Europa League campaign.
One of former manager Alex McLeish's first signings, Stevens collected nine appearances in total in claret and blue - including starting against Man Utd in November 2012 in the absence of Joe Bennett and Eric Lichaj.
During his time with us, he spent time on loan at Notts County, Doncaster and Northampton.
U21 players Graham Burke, Alfie Crooks, Craig Hill, Brad Lewis, Isaac Nehemie, Daniel O'Brien, Thomas Strain and Courtney Wildin have also been released alongside academy youngsters Dylan Forth, Harry Lewis and Ryan Strain.
Villa have offered a new contract to Ron Vlaar, whose previous deal expires at the end of this month.
Chris Herd, whose contract also expires at the end of this month, will be monitored during pre-season by Tim Sherwood after completing his injury rehabilitation over the summer.
apparently he thinks he can 'go higher' than us. Bye bye then Ron
apparently he thinks he can 'go higher' than us. Bye bye then Ron
apparently he thinks he can 'go higher' than us. Bye bye then Ron
When and where has he said this?
Ron Vlaar has today been offered a new contract with Villa, but he has told Voetbal International that he wants to maximise his career, in the belief he can go one step higher.
The Dutch centre-back said: “I have in consideration [a new deal], I think about it. I want to maximize my career and think I can go a step higher. I will look at it [before deciding].”
apparently he thinks he can 'go higher' than us. Bye bye then Ron
When and where has he said this?
A quick Google came up with thisQuoteRon Vlaar has today been offered a new contract with Villa, but he has told Voetbal International that he wants to maximise his career, in the belief he can go one step higher.
The Dutch centre-back said: “I have in consideration [a new deal], I think about it. I want to maximize my career and think I can go a step higher. I will look at it [before deciding].”
Ron Vlaar Aston Villa have offered a new contract , but the Dutch defender doubts violent if he put his signature there .
The current commitment of Vlaar (30) in Birmingham is almost finished , leaving him free this summer could walk out the door . To prevent the club has decided to Ron concrete to offer a new contract. "I have in consideration , I think about it ," Vlaar so let us know on FOX Sports.
But whether he will actually be put doodle is still very doubtful . "I want to maximize my career and think I can go a step higher. I will look at it a go quietly 'said Vlaar, who is preparing with the Dutch team in the crucial European Championship qualifier against Latvia on Friday.
TBH from his side of things he should of gone after the world cup.Now he has had a season where he again been injured ( he is on restricted training to protect him) and been responsible for some right clangers ..please add QPR away - an astoundingly inept performance from our totally inept "leader".
Stoke pen
Everton Pen
Southampton back pass
Just to name 3 obvious one's so good luck with that step up.
Not fussed about him at all. Hardly in the same league as a Teale, Ehiogu or Laursen
Vlaar is international pedigree. He's better than alot of central defenders in each prem team put together would make them top 4.. bar the top 4 and arguably on par on his day.
But sakho, fazzio, Alcatraz, colichino and Williamson, lovern, yosihda, Tomkins and collins mangala, vlaar is class act in a solid pairing or 3 would look good
Vlaar is international pedigree. He's better than alot of central defenders in each prem team put together would make them top 4.. bar the top 4 and arguably on par on his day.
But sakho, fazzio, Alcatraz, colichino and Williamson, lovern, yosihda, Tomkins and collins mangala, vlaar is class act in a solid pairing or 3 would look good
Vlaar is international pedigree. He's better than alot of central defenders in each prem team put together would make them top 4.. bar the top 4 and arguably on par on his day.
But sakho, fazzio, Alcatraz, colichino and Williamson, lovern, yosihda, Tomkins and collins mangala, vlaar is class act in a solid pairing or 3 would look good
Jesus Christ.
Where to start?
I think now is the time to get rid, I have a horrible feeling we have a future Richard Dunne on our hands if we keep him, we need a younger and hopefully stays fit longer centre half, because as we have seen all our defenders are liable to be injured for part of the season, with that I would also say bye bye to Senders, keep Baker, Clark and Okore and add one young un and one mid to late 20;s with some experience and that would not be Johnny Evans.Well said. The risk of yet another injury ruined season for Vlaar is too great.
Not fussed about him at all. Hardly in the same league as a Teale, Ehiogu or Laursen
I don't even think he's as good as Clark at the moment, and getting Clark to be put doodle a new contract should be a higher priority.
Not fussed about him at all. Hardly in the same league as a Teale, Ehiogu or Laursen
I don't even think he's as good as Clark at the moment, and getting Clark to be put doodle a new contract should be a higher priority.
Spot on
Agreed x 2.Not fussed about him at all. Hardly in the same league as a Teale, Ehiogu or Laursen
I don't even think he's as good as Clark at the moment, and getting Clark to be put doodle a new contract should be a higher priority.
Spot on
Agreed
I don't mind seeing the back of Vlaar, but will we replace him with a better player or more bargain basement rubbish that we've been mainly signing over the last 5 years? That's the worry.We could do with someone who has had Premier League experience but who is reliable, injury-free and able to support the continuing development of Clark, Baker and Okore.
Whilst I agree that Vlaar’s performances this season have been largely hit an miss (and more of the latter), when fit and on his game, he’s still a top-drawer centre-back. Remember his performance at White Lane earlier in the season? We’d need to spend a sizeable amount of money to guarantee adequately replacing him. On the back of losing Cleverley, I think it’d be a real blow to lose Ron too.
Do one Ron.
He certainly wasn't top draw.
We've been spoilt by some real top centre backs the last 20 years with Laursen, Southgate, Mcgrath, Ehiogu, Teale, Mellberg so we know a good un when we see one. It's fair to say he's ok but his injuries are just too disruptive for him or the defence to get in to any rhythm together.
Bye Ron.
Aston Villa comment: Why contract-stalling Ron Vlaar is right to want to better himself
Supporters reacted angrily this week when the Dutch defender claimed he could ‘go a step higher’ than Villa
By Gregg Evans
Ron Vlaar is edging ever closer to the Aston Villa exit door.
Despite receiving a contract offer from the Villa Park hierarchy, the Dutchman is ready to walk away from the Midlands when his contract expires at the end of the month.
Vlaar is happy with his family in England and would ideally like to stay in the Premier League, but the Bundesliga in Germany also appeals.
At this stage no definite decision has been made. He could even prolong his stay at Villa, but that is looking increasingly unlikely.
Supporters reacted angrily this week when he claimed he could ‘go a step higher’ than Villa.
Can you really blame him, though? After all, he’s been in a Villa side fighting relegation for three seasons while the majority of his international team-mates are competing for league titles and European success.
While the centre half was helping Villa scrape over the line, Arjen Robben was celebrating winning the league with Bayern Munich.
Mephis Depay, Luuk de Jong and Jeffrey Bruma all ended the season with title medals after PSV Eindhoven’s success. Gregory van der Weil was a part of Paris St Germain’s Ligue 1 triumph and Wesley Sneijder added more silverware to his trophy cabinet after Galatasaray’s league win.
Elsewhere, the likes of Bruno Martins Indi, Robin van Persie and Bas Dost are preparing for the Champions League next season, and while Vlaar is very much his own man, the success of those he mixes with on a regular basis will undoubtedly have an effect on his thoughts.
I can also understand the backlash from the fans, too.
Four seasons of struggle has taken it’s toll on the claret and blue faithful and when you follow a club through thick and thin you’re only interested in players who are 100 per-cent committed to the cause.
Vlaar’s workrate shouldn’t be questioned and his determination to succeed has never waned. His love for Aston Villa has clearly taken a hit, though. If it hadn’t he’d have signed a new contract by now.
His form last term also dipped and if, as expected, it proves to be his last season at Villa Park it certainly will be one to forget.
Injured for a large period, stripped of the captaincy, part of a side who finished one place above the relegation zone, and a beaten FA Cup finalist, it’s hardly been a vintage campaign.
On top of that the 30-year-old will still have visions of that last-minute error against Stoke City which could have sent Villa down had they not recovered in the games thereafer.
The 6-1 drubbing away at Southampton was also a low-point and despite performing well in the cup final, the 4-0 defeat was hard to stomach.
Vlaar refused to speak to the English press after the Wembley humiliation and only conducted interviews in Dutch.
It should be noted that the stopper has made himself available to the media after many disappointing occasions but his snub on May 30 made it clear that he didn’t want to field any questions on his future.
I still feel that Villa are a more organised unit with the ex-Feyenoord man on the field.
Boss Tim Sherwood also rates his qualities else he wouldn’t have offered him new terms in a bid to keep him at the club.
Granted he was as bad as anyone at St Mary’s, but Vlaar was absent for the crushing league defeats against Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United.
His injury problems are well known and in three seasons at Villa he’s only featured in 69 per-cent of the games.
With that in mind it’s little wonder that those on the terraces would not be too upset to see him leave.
I just think that Villa’s inevitable loss with be another club’s gain
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-contract-stalling-ron-9421945)Couldn't agree less..............I he was as good as made out, we wouldn't have had such crushing defeats when he was playing, tit.QuoteAston Villa comment: Why contract-stalling Ron Vlaar is right to want to better himself
Supporters reacted angrily this week when the Dutch defender claimed he could ‘go a step higher’ than Villa
By Gregg Evans
Ron Vlaar is edging ever closer to the Aston Villa exit door.
Despite receiving a contract offer from the Villa Park hierarchy, the Dutchman is ready to walk away from the Midlands when his contract expires at the end of the month.
Vlaar is happy with his family in England and would ideally like to stay in the Premier League, but the Bundesliga in Germany also appeals.
At this stage no definite decision has been made. He could even prolong his stay at Villa, but that is looking increasingly unlikely.
Supporters reacted angrily this week when he claimed he could ‘go a step higher’ than Villa.
Can you really blame him, though? After all, he’s been in a Villa side fighting relegation for three seasons while the majority of his international team-mates are competing for league titles and European success.
While the centre half was helping Villa scrape over the line, Arjen Robben was celebrating winning the league with Bayern Munich.
Mephis Depay, Luuk de Jong and Jeffrey Bruma all ended the season with title medals after PSV Eindhoven’s success. Gregory van der Weil was a part of Paris St Germain’s Ligue 1 triumph and Wesley Sneijder added more silverware to his trophy cabinet after Galatasaray’s league win.
Elsewhere, the likes of Bruno Martins Indi, Robin van Persie and Bas Dost are preparing for the Champions League next season, and while Vlaar is very much his own man, the success of those he mixes with on a regular basis will undoubtedly have an effect on his thoughts.
I can also understand the backlash from the fans, too.
Four seasons of struggle has taken it’s toll on the claret and blue faithful and when you follow a club through thick and thin you’re only interested in players who are 100 per-cent committed to the cause.
Vlaar’s workrate shouldn’t be questioned and his determination to succeed has never waned. His love for Aston Villa has clearly taken a hit, though. If it hadn’t he’d have signed a new contract by now.
His form last term also dipped and if, as expected, it proves to be his last season at Villa Park it certainly will be one to forget.
Injured for a large period, stripped of the captaincy, part of a side who finished one place above the relegation zone, and a beaten FA Cup finalist, it’s hardly been a vintage campaign.
On top of that the 30-year-old will still have visions of that last-minute error against Stoke City which could have sent Villa down had they not recovered in the games thereafer.
The 6-1 drubbing away at Southampton was also a low-point and despite performing well in the cup final, the 4-0 defeat was hard to stomach.
Vlaar refused to speak to the English press after the Wembley humiliation and only conducted interviews in Dutch.
It should be noted that the stopper has made himself available to the media after many disappointing occasions but his snub on May 30 made it clear that he didn’t want to field any questions on his future.
I still feel that Villa are a more organised unit with the ex-Feyenoord man on the field.
Boss Tim Sherwood also rates his qualities else he wouldn’t have offered him new terms in a bid to keep him at the club.
Granted he was as bad as anyone at St Mary’s, but Vlaar was absent for the crushing league defeats against Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United.
His injury problems are well known and in three seasons at Villa he’s only featured in 69 per-cent of the games.
With that in mind it’s little wonder that those on the terraces would not be too upset to see him leave.
I just think that Villa’s inevitable loss with be another club’s gain
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-contract-stalling-ron-9421945)
Can you really blame him, though? After all, he’s been in a Villa side fighting relegation for three seasons while the majority of his international team-mates are competing for league titles and European success.
While the centre half was helping Villa scrape over the line, Arjen Robben was celebrating winning the league with Bayern Munich.
Mephis Depay, Luuk de Jong and Jeffrey Bruma all ended the season with title medals after PSV Eindhoven’s success. Gregory van der Weil was a part of Paris St Germain’s Ligue 1 triumph and Wesley Sneijder added more silverware to his trophy cabinet after Galatasaray’s league win.
Elsewhere, the likes of Bruno Martins Indi, Robin van Persie and Bas Dost are preparing for the Champions League next season, and while Vlaar is very much his own man, the success of those he mixes with on a regular basis will undoubtedly have an effect on his thoughts.
Brum mail has some fucked up employees
Brum mail has some fucked up employees
I could be wrong here but I think Gregg Evans is a West Brom fan.
Weird how they never think Albion players need to move in order to better themselves.
Nice to see the Mail as supportive as ever.
Not Berahino, he needs to work with Pulis as that will be 'great for his development.'Nice to see the Mail as supportive as ever.
So that's Benteke and Vlaar who they think should move on. Anyone else?
Do one Ron.
Clappy thingy.
In a way I'd like him to end up at Old Trafford... just to see him spend less time as a first team regular than Bosnich. I don't think he's capable of a step up, certainly not week-in week-out, and watching him being torn a new one the first time Man Utd play someone decent in the Champions League will be schadenfreude.
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-contract-stalling-ron-9421945)QuoteAston Villa comment: Why contract-stalling Ron Vlaar is right to want to better himself
Supporters reacted angrily this week when the Dutch defender claimed he could ‘go a step higher’ than Villa
By Gregg Evans
The 6-1 drubbing away at Southampton was also a low-point and despite performing well in the cup final, the 4-0 defeat was hard to stomach.
Brum mail has some fucked up employees
I could be wrong here but I think Gregg Evans is a West Brom fan.
If Clark, Okore and Baker were fit, Vlaar wouldn't get in my Villa team.
He can go.
And let's get a younger, fitter CB in the squad.
If clubs weren't queuing up to buy him after the WC I can't see them doing it after another injury-blighted season!
As someone mentioned earlier, Boro would be a good fit.
That's them from Teesside, not Nuneaton.
Then again.....
Everton are looking for a centre half, perhaps he can step up to them.
We have been 'mostly better' with him in the side, but he's never in the side often enough. He's only likely to get slower & more injury prone. Not worth the hassle.
Released from contract.
Clark and Okore for me.If Clark, Okore and Baker were fit, Vlaar wouldn't get in my Villa team.
He can go.
And let's get a younger, fitter CB in the squad.
If clubs weren't queuing up to buy him after the WC I can't see them doing it after another injury-blighted season!
As someone mentioned earlier, Boro would be a good fit.
That's them from Teesside, not Nuneaton.
Then again.....
When all fit, I think Vlaar and Clark is/was our strongest pairing
Released from contract.
has he? Where did you see that Leeg?
Regardless of whether he'd stayed or fakked off we still needed to buy a CH. I'm not too bothered. Ron seemed a good guy but as a skipper and a player was more often than not a disappointment and a liability because of his injuries.Couldn't agree with you more supertom...and the "good CH" would have knocked Ron down the pecking order.
We need a good CH who can play at least 30 games a season at 100%
They've announced at least three times on 5Live that Vlaar is on the FA's list of players out of contract and available, alongside a number of others, obviously.Released from contract.
has he? Where did you see that Leeg?
Sorry. Should have a ? at the end. Will amend.
No. He's been offered a new deal which he hasn't said for sure he is accepting, but signs are he'll move on.
No. He's been offered a new deal which he hasn't said for sure he is accepting, but signs are he'll move on.
I hope we've some sort of deadline in mind for withdrawing our offer, I'm not keen on the idea of him, or anybody for that matter, just hanging about for "better" to come in, only to turn round and say "go on then" to us when feck-all else materializes.
MLS
Might pay him monitor the takeover and then sign fresh terms if he likes what he sees. It's just business and why shouldn't he try to play at a higher level. If Villa can get him there, he might just stay. Whether I want him to stay or not though is another thing.
He'll probably go elsewhere and be injury free for a couple of years!!
I don't know why we're offering him a new contract - he's always injured. Clark, Baker and Okore are fine - we need a strong, commanding right sided centre back that isn't chronically injured. There's also Senderos, who doesn't have a good track record with injuries either but we wouldn't get much for him and he's not worth releasing.
I thought he was on the list of released players, meaning we had paid up the remainder of his contract. I must have imagined that if the reports are right about him still weighing things up.
I'd prefer him to stay than us being required to replace him.
I'd prefer him to stay than us being required to replace him.
You've just described the way I feel, too, very succinctly.
I certainly hope he's been given a deadline by which we expect a decision.I'd prefer him to stay than us being required to replace him.
You've just described the way I feel, too, very succinctly.
I'm actively starting to dislike him. He doesn't seem to have the bottle to say either way.
I guess it's his prerogative.
I don't think he misses as many games as people think. He's played 78 times in 3 seasons, so averages 26 games a season. The problem for me is because there's normally at least 2 spells of the season where he misses a batch of games, it's disruptive for our back line and we know we aren't going to have the same defence all season, which should be the aim. Look at a side like Chelsea - Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Azpilicueta must have played 90-95% of the league games last season.
He missed 17 games in spells last season.
He's not often out for huge lengths, but six or 7 games at a time, he then needs five games to get up to speed, in which time he has dropped a mistake or two, then he gets injured again.
Even when he's fit, he's only good when he can be bothered. The Stoke game comes to mind.Qpr away (0-2 loss) Ron ranks as one of the worst villa CB performances I've seen in +30 years home and away.
With baker Clark okore Richards and even swiss Phil as disaster recovery back up we really don't need vlaar anymore. Let's say he wants 50k a week over 3 years ? That's about £8m that should be ploughed into a top flight LB or an Nzonzi type in midfield
Not sure I'd want him to stay now. Part of the old guard and all that.Yeah, just like Benteke, Delph, Clark...
Not sure I'd want him to stay now. Part of the old guard and all that.Yeah, just like Benteke, Delph, Clark...
How is it strange? It's strange that you are saying that you wouldn't want him to stay because he is 'part of the old guard'. So presumably players like Delph and Clark who have been here longer you would also want to leave? They're part of 'the old guard' as well.Not sure I'd want him to stay now. Part of the old guard and all that.Yeah, just like Benteke, Delph, Clark...
Strange response Dave. Talking about Vlaar not Benteke etc al.
Keep taking the happy pills Dave. Vlaar thread. Not Clark, not Benteke.So him being part of an 'old guard' has nothing to do with it then? Just something that you've not really thought through?
He's old but not much of a guard. I'd personally drive him to Sunderland .
True, plus he's gonna weigh the car down a fair bit so add extra fuel for lack of economyHe's old but not much of a guard. I'd personally drive him to Sunderland .
Dunno about that, it's a long way. I'd want some petrol money out of him.
He's old but not much of a guard. I'd personally drive him to Sunderland .
Oh you racist !!He's old but not much of a guard. I'd personally drive him to Sunderland .
1. Have you ever driven one of those little blue invalid cars before?
2. Can two people fit in one of them?
3. Wouldn't you need to recharge the battery at some point?
I'd rather he stayed. We're under a period of exclusivity, we're hardly hurling money around and we have a lot of work to do on our squad. We really don't need useful players to be leaving.
Keep taking the happy pills Dave. Vlaar thread. Not Clark, not Benteke.So him being part of an 'old guard' has nothing to do with it then? Just something that you've not really thought through?
Various papers quoting him as saying he doesn't know where he'll be next. Which sums up most of his performances last season.
Or maybe a part of him wants to stay because he actually likes the club and his young family is settled in the area, and another part of him wants to move and take his career as far as possible. It's not a completely unfamiliar position for anyone in any industry when faced with a change of company or a relocation opportunity.
Or maybe a part of him wants to stay because he actually likes the club and his young family is settled in the area, and another part of him wants to move and take his career as far as possible. It's not a completely unfamiliar position for anyone in any industry when faced with a change of company or a relocation opportunity.
Except that whatever he does, he'll end up rolling in money and his family is set for life
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ron-vlaar-putting-aston-villa-5964702
Out in India at mo helping disadvantaged kids
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ron-vlaar-putting-aston-villa-5964702Surely something wrong here: they describe him as the "hardman".
Out in India at mo helping disadvantaged kids
So he is a free agent now and no news.I think he'll be waiting to see what's on the table in front of him. He'd best not wait too long though as he could find our offer being taken away if Sherwood looks elsewhere to replace him.
Is he not injured at the moment? Calf?
He is being linked with Everton now.Really not losing any sleep
Seen Senderos in Mere Green this evening, pushing his kid along in a buggy. He was only using one hand too. His right forearm must be 100% fit. Not so sure about the remaining limbs.
Southampton fans must be elated to be losing Alderweireld (sp?) and getting the main keystone cop from their 6-1 mauling of Villa as a replacement.
So were we for most of the season.Southampton fans must be elated to be losing Alderweireld (sp?) and getting the main keystone cop from their 6-1 mauling of Villa as a replacement.
They're probably hoping they get the world cup version.
Is he leaving?
Vlaar is a good player and we'll find it hard to replace him.
It's funny that people forget that in general throughout his time with us when Vlaar plays the defence is better. Not all the time, but generally he had a positive impact on the defence. That won't be easily or cheaply replaced.
Its just been named after him - "The Vlaar Room".
The treatment room just won't be the same without him.
Its just been named after him - "The Vlaar Room".
The treatment room just won't be the same without him.
The Daily Mirror were just one British newspaper to claim Southampton interest in Ron Vlaar this week. Southampton lost out to Tottenham Hotspur in the race for Toby Alderweireld and with Vlaar being out of contract perhaps the links was inevitable. However, nothing will be done for a while on that potential move because Vlaar is set for knee surgery.
The Dutch international defender was troubled by problems throughout much of the last campaign and struggled to get to the root of the problem, Now he reckons that doctors have and he's set to have a meniscus operation on his knee. It's a really unfortunate situation for the Dutchman to be in, since leaving Aston Villa he doesn't have a club.
Despite the setback and frustration, Vlaar sounds quite chilled about the whole thing and thinks he shouldn't have a problem getting a club when he's got himself back to full fitness, which he thinks will be in August. Speaking to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, Vlaar said "The removal of a piece of meniscus from my left knee is necessary in order to again get in top condition. It's better to have surgery now than during the season. The expectation is that I can start training again two days after surgery. Within three to four weeks, i should be one hundred percent.
"I'm only concerned with my surgery and then with my recovery. The clubs know what I can do and have my phone number. So I'm not worried. Early August - before the start of the competitions - I'm fully fit."
Vlaar's optimism is admirable but perhaps unrealistic. He'll undergo surgery next week in Rotterdam and to be fully fit for early August would take a medical miracle.
Having a knee op , likely going to miss most of preseason where ever he ends up
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-target-ron-vlaar-faces-knee-surgery-after-aston-villaQuoteThe Daily Mirror were just one British newspaper to claim Southampton interest in Ron Vlaar this week. Southampton lost out to Tottenham Hotspur in the race for Toby Alderweireld and with Vlaar being out of contract perhaps the links was inevitable. However, nothing will be done for a while on that potential move because Vlaar is set for knee surgery.
The Dutch international defender was troubled by problems throughout much of the last campaign and struggled to get to the root of the problem, Now he reckons that doctors have and he's set to have a meniscus operation on his knee. It's a really unfortunate situation for the Dutchman to be in, since leaving Aston Villa he doesn't have a club.
Despite the setback and frustration, Vlaar sounds quite chilled about the whole thing and thinks he shouldn't have a problem getting a club when he's got himself back to full fitness, which he thinks will be in August. Speaking to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, Vlaar said "The removal of a piece of meniscus from my left knee is necessary in order to again get in top condition. It's better to have surgery now than during the season. The expectation is that I can start training again two days after surgery. Within three to four weeks, i should be one hundred percent.
"I'm only concerned with my surgery and then with my recovery. The clubs know what I can do and have my phone number. So I'm not worried. Early August - before the start of the competitions - I'm fully fit."
Vlaar's optimism is admirable but perhaps unrealistic. He'll undergo surgery next week in Rotterdam and to be fully fit for early August would take a medical miracle.
I've always liked Vlaar but he doesn't half seem to be making it hard just lately.
A bit risky having knee surgery without the security of a contract? What if the surgery doesn't work? He'll be fucked! Not that disappointed, he's so injury prone.
A bit risky having knee surgery without the security of a contract? What if the surgery doesn't work? He'll be fucked! Not that disappointed, he's so injury prone.
What do you think would have happened if he had agreed a deal somewhere and then gone through the medical?
He wouldn't pass a medical currently
He wouldn't pass a medical currently
He doesn't have to pass a medical based on his current fitness.
If he has a routine operation to have, that isn't going to make him fail anything. See Downing rocking up on crutches with a broken leg, for example.
I just want us to get past all of this now. Vlaar will be gone, Delph will be gone and if someone meets the Benteke number he'll be off also. I want players who want to be at Aston Villa. If you don't find somewhere else to play. Southampton showed with good management you can lose good players and still improve. We have to find a way to do that also.
I just want us to get past all of this now. Vlaar will be gone, Delph will be gone and if someone meets the Benteke number he'll be off also. I want players who want to be at Aston Villa. If you don't find somewhere else to play. Southampton showed with good management you can lose good players and still improve. We have to find a way to do that also.
Couldn't agree more
A bit risky having knee surgery without the security of a contract? What if the surgery doesn't work? He'll be fucked! Not that disappointed, he's so injury prone.
What do you think would have happened if he had agreed a deal somewhere and then gone through the medical?
"I want to maximize my career, and I think I can go a step higher."
Good luck with that. At least he kept to his word and went quietly.
"I think I can go a step higher."
Good luck to him. It's a slower paced league and if he can stay healthy he'll do well for the last 3 or 4 years of his career.
Good luck Ron and thanks for that goal against Sunderland.I'll second that!
Bollocks to him.
Rumours has it in Italy that today he landed at Rome and that he offered himself to Lazio:
http://www.cittaceleste.it/notizie/inprimopiano/39155-mercatolive-ag-vlaar-forse-firmiamo-con-la-lazio
I am at the Lazio summer camp now, that is beautiful as usual, as, unlike in England, fans can mix to the staff and the players in a joyous and relaxed atmosphere.
Even Morrison has been infected by the fans'enthusiasm, as he has declared in his Instagram page. . . ;D
I hope these rumours are not true, even because at Lazio we just have two Dutch central defenders, Stefan De Vrij, and the young former AZ 67 Wesley Hoedt, plus the excellent Argentinian Santiago Gentiletti, so I do not think that we need Vlaar .:'(
P.S. Do you know which is the difference between Morrison and the Dutchs?
Morrison has been living in Rome since March and still has not learned one word in Italian ,
whereas the two Dutchs speak fluently, even Wesley Hoedt that has arrived one week ago, as he has done a course in Holland. ;)
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Rumours has it in Italy that today he landed at Rome and that he offered himself to Lazio:
http://www.cittaceleste.it/notizie/inprimopiano/39155-mercatolive-ag-vlaar-forse-firmiamo-con-la-lazio
I am at the Lazio summer camp now, that is beautiful as usual, as, unlike in England, fans can mix to the staff and the players in a joyous and relaxed atmosphere.
Even Morrison has been infected by the fans'enthusiasm, as he has declared in his Instagram page. . . ;D
I hope these rumours are not true, even because at Lazio we just have two Dutch central defenders, Stefan De Vrij, and the young former AZ 67 Wesley Hoedt, plus the excellent Argentinian Santiago Gentiletti, so I do not think that we need Vlaar .:'(
P.S. Do you know which is the difference between Morrison and the Dutchs?
Morrison has been living in Rome since March and still has not learned one word in Italian ,
whereas the two Dutchs speak fluently, even Wesley Hoedt that has arrived one week ago, as he has done a course in Holland. ;)
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Ravel Morrison will never cover himself in glory, Archie.
Unless we sign another centre back of any class then I don't mind Vlaar staying another season he is worth a place on the bench at least, but it would be good if we could get some decent money and move him on this summer or in January at the latest.
Unless we sign another centre back of any class then I don't mind Vlaar staying another season he is worth a place on the bench at least, but it would be good if we could get some decent money and move him on this summer or in January at the latest.
It would be great if we could get some decent money for a player no longer contracted to the club. In fact, not great, genius or even robbery. Take your pick.
If Vlaar sets off for Rome now, he'll probably get there by Christmas at his current pace.This reminds me of Pires's brief sojourn with us. During one game I spotted him in the oppostion penalty area and about 10 minutes later he was in ours. I still don't know how he got there so quickly.
If Vlaar sets off for Rome now, he'll probably get there by Christmas at his current pace.This reminds me of Pirez's brief sojourn with us. During one game I spotted him in the oppostion penalty area and about 10 minutes later he was in ours. I still don't know how he got there so quickly.
Take a look at that goal against Sunderland. My abiding memory of that is, as it goes in; Gabby realises it had and the look on his face is priceless. Total amazement.
Fuck off Vlaar you glass-kneed, triangular-footed oaf!
If Vlaar sets off for Rome now, he'll probably get there by Christmas at his current pace.This reminds me of Pirez's brief sojourn with us. During one game I spotted him in the oppostion penalty area and about 10 minutes later he was in ours. I still don't know how he got there so quickly.
Looking back, it is amazing to think he actually managed to score for us, too (Pires I mean)
Ravel Morrison will never cover himself in glory, Archie.The only way Morrison will cover himself in anything is if he gets invited to one of Berlusconi's Bunga Bunga parties.😱
If Vlaar sets off for Rome now, he'll probably get there by Christmas at his current pace.This reminds me of Pires's brief sojourn with us. During one game I spotted him in the oppostion penalty area and about 10 minutes later he was in ours. I still don't know how he got there so quickly.
Lazio decide against contract for vlaar.
I just want to chime in on this thread to say Vlaar can fuck off as well, piss taking, sick note cart horse. Good on Lazio. He could turn up at my door pimping himself as a cleaner and I'd tell him to get to fuck.
I wonder if Ron has got a duff agent or something.
If Vlaar sets off for Rome now, he'll probably get there by Christmas at his current pace.This reminds me of Pires's brief sojourn with us. During one game I spotted him in the oppostion penalty area and about 10 minutes later he was in ours. I still don't know how he got there so quickly.
I wonder if Ron has got a duff agent or something.
Something else that pisses me off about this clown. He's not said a word, no goodbye, no thanks for physio's, fuck all. Obviously as a back up plan for if he gets no decent offers.
Something else that pisses me off about this clown. He's not said a word, no goodbye, no thanks for physio's, fuck all. Obviously as a back up plan for if he gets no decent offers.
I like him and it's pissed me off.
I'm just confused about his status - he's out of contract but still a Villa player?No one. As he's out of contract, he's technically unemployed.
Who is paying him then?
Typically ridiculous Villa situation
Do one Ron, just do one
Maybe the reason he hasn't said goodbye is because the offer is still on the table and unless he can get a really good move he's expecting to come back.
I read somewhere once that when a player's contract runs down he's entitled to one more month's salary from his former club if he hasn't found employment at a new one.
It's a hard life.
I read somewhere once that when a player's contract runs down he's entitled to one more month's salary from his former club if he hasn't found employment at a new one.
It's a hard life.
To be fair, as Sir Graham once said, for the majority of players a free transfer is the sack. I'm sure the lads we got rid of last month would be grateful of the extra money.
I read somewhere once that when a player's contract runs down he's entitled to one more month's salary from his former club if he hasn't found employment at a new one.
It's a hard life.
To be fair, as Sir Graham once said, for the majority of players a free transfer is the sack. I'm sure the lads we got rid of last month would be grateful of the extra money.
True, but the thought of Vlaar getting yet another month's salary out of us a bit galling all the same.
Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
Maybe the reason he hasn't said goodbye is because the offer is still on the table and unless he can get a really good move he's expecting to come back.
I could live with that.
Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
He's hardly prostituting himself to people, he's looking for a club.
Could be offering 5 Euro wristies in the badlands, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do to pay off the mortgages.Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
He's hardly prostituting himself to people, he's looking for a club.
how melodramatic is that? Out of work man looks for new employment = prostitution. Blimey, where do you start with that?
I don't think he is short of a few bob enough if he is not getting paid for an extra month. If he wants to come back then we should offer a pay as you play contract.
Noticeably still hasn't offered a word of thanks or goodbye.
http://www.khalidzerrou.com/ron-vlaar-english/ here is a copy
I imagine as we've essentially got on offer on the table to him that as yet hasn't been retracted, it's not quite time to say goodbye.Noticeably still hasn't offered a word of thanks or goodbye.
Bit odd that. Ron always seemed a pretty decent kind of guy.
I actually feel a bit bad for him about his latest injury, but grateful I suppose that he walked away from our offer and saved us some money.
I would hope, however he may have treated Villa, that we offer him a 6 months deal starting in January on the promise to help him through the next few weeks.
I would hope, however he may have treated Villa, that we offer him a 6 months deal starting in January on the promise to help him through the next few weeks.
Sorry, but I think that's a terrible idea. We haven't agreed a new contract with him up to now, so why would we knowing that he's injured again? I agree with SH, good luck to him, but wouldn't want him any more under any circumstances.
I would hope, however he may have treated Villa, that we offer him a 6 months deal starting in January on the promise to help him through the next few weeks.
Sorry, but I think that's a terrible idea. We haven't agreed a new contract with him up to now, so why would we knowing that he's injured again? I agree with SH, good luck to him, but wouldn't want him any more under any circumstances.
Because if it was on the provision that he was fit then we have nothing to lose if the operation is successful. He only gets a deal if he can prove his fitness but it is there as a carrot for him.
I would hope, however he may have treated Villa, that we offer him a 6 months deal starting in January on the promise to help him through the next few weeks.
Sorry, but I think that's a terrible idea. We haven't agreed a new contract with him up to now, so why would we knowing that he's injured again? I agree with SH, good luck to him, but wouldn't want him any more under any circumstances.
Because if it was on the provision that he was fit then we have nothing to lose if the operation is successful. He only gets a deal if he can prove his fitness but it is there as a carrot for him.
Richards is playing centre-back. Not sure why people keep suggesting him at right-back when he only signed on the basis he'd be playing in the middle.
I think Richards and Okore are too short to play together. So I'd have Richards and Clark first choice, Okore and Baker back-up. Senderos for emergencies. Donacien maybe at the end of the season for a game or two if we have nothing to play for.
Richards is playing centre-back. Not sure why people keep suggesting him at right-back when he only signed on the basis he'd be playing in the middle.
I think Richards and Okore are too short to play together. So I'd have Richards and Clark first choice, Okore and Baker back-up. Senderos for emergencies. Donacien maybe at the end of the season for a game or two if we have nothing to play for.
I know it's reported that he's been signed to play CB, I just personally think it's not making the best back 4 out of what we've got.
Completely agree Richards and Okore should not be paired together as CBs unless absolute emergency. As you say, together too short and in addition they're both completely right footed so whoever is on the left side is going to be in bother.
I would hope, however he may have treated Villa, that we offer him a 6 months deal starting in January on the promise to help him through the next few weeks.We are not a charity and he has been paid millions and millions by us with very poor return. I m sure he can take care of himself.
I'd hope we offer him our facilities and help with his recuperation. It'd be the classy thing to do and would only reflect well on the club.
Having him about might also be beneficial to the younger players.
Ron needs knee surgery and will be unable to ply his trade for a few months. And we aren't paying for it this time. Whoop!
I'd hope we offer him our facilities and help with his recuperation. It'd be the classy thing to do and would only reflect well on the club.
Having him about might also be beneficial to the younger players.
I agree, offer him use of the club facilities whilst he gets fit, it's the right thing to do, I don't think I'd want to offer him another contract but it reflects well on the club to offer to let him train with us, etc.
I'd hope we offer him our facilities and help with his recuperation. It'd be the classy thing to do and would only reflect well on the club.
Having him about might also be beneficial to the younger players.
I'd hope we offer him our facilities and help with his recuperation. It'd be the classy thing to do and would only reflect well on the club.
Having him about might also be beneficial to the younger players.
I agree, offer him use of the club facilities whilst he gets fit, it's the right thing to do, I don't think I'd want to offer him another contract but it reflects well on the club to offer to let him train with us, etc.
Not sure I agree. He obviously decided a while ago that he wants to try and find another club so I don't see why we should help in his recuperation. What about after 4 months using our facilities he then goes and signs for Southampton? No, if he doesn't want to stay he should pack his things and go.
We owe each other nothing. Contract expired from both sides. Whilst it might be helpful to Vlaar, it doesn't help Villa one iota.
But he's not our player though. He could have been but he wanted to play at a higher level.We owe each other nothing. Contract expired from both sides. Whilst it might be helpful to Vlaar, it doesn't help Villa one iota.
No we don't but it's a nice thing to do, I like the idea of us being a club where the players are treated properly and who do things the right way.
To keep it simple for me it's hard to chastise players as mercenaries if that's how they get treated by the clubs. If that cycle is going to break it will be because someone steps out of line and does things 'just because' and I'd be more than happy for us to be a club willing to do that for our ex-players. I understand all the arguments against it, I just can't agree with the whole 'dead to us now' attitude that people have towards ex-players whilst also being pissed off by players who put their bank balance/trophy cabinet ahead of the club.
We tried to do things right...we stood by him through his numerous, sometimes extended, injuries and offered him a new contract.
Nah. It's like letting your ex-girlfriend stay in your house after she's left you in a tantrum claiming she can do better, with a book full of phone numbers of all the wealthier blokes in town.
THISWe owe each other nothing. Contract expired from both sides. Whilst it might be helpful to Vlaar, it doesn't help Villa one iota.
No we don't but it's a nice thing to do, I like the idea of us being a club where the players are treated properly and who do things the right way.
We've got the equipment, we've got the staff and they'll either be working or they won't. I can't see that it would cost us much and bearing in mind how according to some our PR stock has plummeted this week, it would reflect well on us.
Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
He's hardly prostituting himself to people, he's looking for a club.
remember Stefan Postma?Strap-on Ron kinda has a ring to it
We've got the equipment, we've got the staff and they'll either be working or they won't. I can't see that it would cost us much and bearing in mind how according to some our PR stock has plummeted this week, it would reflect well on us.
Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
He's hardly prostituting himself to people, he's looking for a club.
He can't play football for anyone so don't rule it out.
And you know some of these Dutch lads can get kinky, remember Stefan Postma?
Why would he get another months payment from us when he is prostituting himself to people?
He's hardly prostituting himself to people, he's looking for a club.
He can't play football for anyone so don't rule it out.
And you know some of these Dutch lads can get kinky, remember Stefan Postma?
He is looking for the next level to us, he can feck off
It would be the right thing to do? Oh please! How about he sign the contract that we offered him, then he can use the facilities all he wants.
I really don't think it would help the cause to have our old captain loitering around the place to be honest. He considered himself too good for us, and that would send out the wrong message, and god knows we don't need any more mixed messages.
I really don't think it would help the cause to have our old captain loitering around the place to be honest. He considered himself too good for us, and that would send out the wrong message, and god knows we don't need any more mixed messages.
I really don't think it would help the cause to have our old captain loitering around the place to be honest. He considered himself too good for us, and that would send out the wrong message, and god knows we don't need any more mixed messages.
Agree.
Just when there is a smell of potpourri starting to break through, we don't need Vlaar coming back farting the place out.
If I've ever had to help someone I've known for a while out or a mate ive never thought of it as charity,
just something you do because you can.
I hope the same as applies the other way round
If he needs the facilities a few friendly faces around to help in months of recouperation ahead I would hope we would help out,
no matter what he does or where he goes afterwards, that's what good people/companies do
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I agree with supporting him like this, as he supports others as we know from the photos of him in India. Not the only reason, though, as other posters have said.If I've ever had to help someone I've known for a while out or a mate ive never thought of it as charity,
just something you do because you can.
I hope the same as applies the other way round
If he needs the facilities a few friendly faces around to help in months of recouperation ahead I would hope we would help out,
no matter what he does or where he goes afterwards, that's what good people/companies do
Exactly. I'd be disappointed if we don't at least offer it. It's up to Vlaar what he wants to do.
If I've ever had to help someone I've known for a while out or a mate ive never thought of it as charity,
just something you do because you can.
I hope the same as applies the other way round
If he needs the facilities a few friendly faces around to help in months of recouperation ahead I hope we would help out,
no matter what he does or where he goes afterwards, that's what good people/companies do
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Sorry but totally disagree but hey life's all about opinions!
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Sorry but totally disagree but hey life's all about opinions!
Everyone has got one, and most of them are full of shite.
So was I, I didn't want to upset you.
We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fitIsn't that precisely what we are doing with Chris Herd?
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Petty doesn't come into it. He's out of contract, after being offered a new one, and turning it down because he felt he could do better elsewhere. Now, he's injured again, he can go and get himself fit elsewhere. We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fit, so why should we do it for somebody who thought he could play for a bigger team? Far from it being a positive PR story, I think it would be completely the opposite.
To keep it simple for me it's hard to chastise players as mercenaries if that's how they get treated by the clubs. If that cycle is going to break it will be because someone steps out of line and does things 'just because' and I'd be more than happy for us to be a club willing to do that for our ex-players. I understand all the arguments against it, I just can't agree with the whole 'dead to us now' attitude that people have towards ex-players whilst also being pissed off by players who put their bank balance/trophy cabinet ahead of the club.
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Petty doesn't come into it. He's out of contract, after being offered a new one, and turning it down because he felt he could do better elsewhere. Now, he's injured again, he can go and get himself fit elsewhere. We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fit, so why should we do it for somebody who thought he could play for a bigger team? Far from it being a positive PR story, I think it would be completely the opposite.
You mean like Herd who we offered a 3month contract to? and are you saying you've seriously never heard of any other clubs doing this? The circumstances of why he's an ex-player don't really matter, he's not done anything 'wrong' by the club he had a contract and he played to the best of his ability for the length of it.
As I say, if you think we should tell him to fuck off then so be it but don't then be a hypocrite and complain about players not giving a shit about the club and letting their contract run down to leave for free.
The adventurer - I agree everyone is welcome to have an opinion, but one that involves 'fuck him' about a guy who was our captain for 2 and a half years isn't one I have much time for. Simply put his problems with us were always medical, he came across as a decent guy and taking time out from the summer when his contract finishes to do charity work in India pretty much confirms that, how many players do you see choose to do that rather than a couple of weeks partying? Decent guy, has had a career ruined by injuries when at his best he's clearly capable of playing at the top end of the international game, for me why not offer him use of the facilities, he still lives in the area (I assume) and will clearly know our facilities well and we still, as far as any of us are aware, have a contract offer on the table for him, it just makes good sense and, as I've said, is the decent thing to do.
Well paid,professional footballer who doesn't want to play for Aston Villa.
Are you lot for real?
Fuck him!
Go join a gym & renew your private health insurance "Concrete" (Hahaha) Ron!
That's fine, but then don't moan when players only look out for themselves.
I really don't care whether he thinks he can do better than us or not, he picked up an injury whilst he was still our player and it means he's unlikely to sign for anyone else until he's fit, it costs the club fuck all to help him out and let him use the facilities so if he wants to then why not? It could mean that when he's asked about us by other players he says how good we were with him when his contract finished and that could be the difference between a player joining or not. The only reason I can think we wouldn't make the offer is as a bit of a 'fuck you you didn't think we were good enough for you' and I'd really hope our decision making as a club isn't based on petty bitterness.
Petty doesn't come into it. He's out of contract, after being offered a new one, and turning it down because he felt he could do better elsewhere. Now, he's injured again, he can go and get himself fit elsewhere. We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fit, so why should we do it for somebody who thought he could play for a bigger team? Far from it being a positive PR story, I think it would be completely the opposite.
You mean like Herd who we offered a 3month contract to? and are you saying you've seriously never heard of any other clubs doing this? The circumstances of why he's an ex-player don't really matter, he's not done anything 'wrong' by the club he had a contract and he played to the best of his ability for the length of it.
As I say, if you think we should tell him to fuck off then so be it but don't then be a hypocrite and complain about players not giving a shit about the club and letting their contract run down to leave for free.
The adventurer - I agree everyone is welcome to have an opinion, but one that involves 'fuck him' about a guy who was our captain for 2 and a half years isn't one I have much time for. Simply put his problems with us were always medical, he came across as a decent guy and taking time out from the summer when his contract finishes to do charity work in India pretty much confirms that, how many players do you see choose to do that rather than a couple of weeks partying? Decent guy, has had a career ruined by injuries when at his best he's clearly capable of playing at the top end of the international game, for me why not offer him use of the facilities, he still lives in the area (I assume) and will clearly know our facilities well and we still, as far as any of us are aware, have a contract offer on the table for him, it just makes good sense and, as I've said, is the decent thing to do.
To keep it simple for me it's hard to chastise players as mercenaries if that's how they get treated by the clubs. If that cycle is going to break it will be because someone steps out of line and does things 'just because' and I'd be more than happy for us to be a club willing to do that for our ex-players. I understand all the arguments against it, I just can't agree with the whole 'dead to us now' attitude that people have towards ex-players whilst also being pissed off by players who put their bank balance/trophy cabinet ahead of the club.
It's not a 'he's dead to me attitude' but we could potentially be helping a player and club who could be league rivals. I don't think it shows us as doing the right thing but being naive.
We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fitIsn't that precisely what we are doing with Chris Herd?
To keep it simple for me it's hard to chastise players as mercenaries if that's how they get treated by the clubs. If that cycle is going to break it will be because someone steps out of line and does things 'just because' and I'd be more than happy for us to be a club willing to do that for our ex-players. I understand all the arguments against it, I just can't agree with the whole 'dead to us now' attitude that people have towards ex-players whilst also being pissed off by players who put their bank balance/trophy cabinet ahead of the club.
It's not a 'he's dead to me attitude' but we could potentially be helping a player and club who could be league rivals. I don't think it shows us as doing the right thing but being naive.
Or we could be rahabilitating a guy who then signs a new deal with us at Christmas to cover for the fact that Baker is out for the season having dislocated an eyebrow and Richards in on a 6month ban for taking a few swings at Delph.
A quick Google suggests that he hasn't - according to his Dad anyway.We don't offer other players we've released the opportunity to stay on and keep themselves fitIsn't that precisely what we are doing with Chris Herd?
No, we offered him a three month contract, which presumably he's signed.
To keep it simple for me it's hard to chastise players as mercenaries if that's how they get treated by the clubs. If that cycle is going to break it will be because someone steps out of line and does things 'just because' and I'd be more than happy for us to be a club willing to do that for our ex-players. I understand all the arguments against it, I just can't agree with the whole 'dead to us now' attitude that people have towards ex-players whilst also being pissed off by players who put their bank balance/trophy cabinet ahead of the club.
It's not a 'he's dead to me attitude' but we could potentially be helping a player and club who could be league rivals. I don't think it shows us as doing the right thing but being naive.
Or we could be rahabilitating a guy who then signs a new deal with us at Christmas to cover for the fact that Baker is out for the season having dislocated an eyebrow and Richards in on a 6month ban for taking a few swings at Delph.
Or Vlaar could injure himself again, or could sign for somebody else. One of the upsides of signing a new contract is that clubs are then legally obliged to help you if you're injured. Of course, players can take the risk that they'll stay fit and be offered a new challenge and a pay rise at a "bigger" club. Vlaar took the risk, and now has to live with the consequences. He didn't want to be at Villa any more, exactly the same as Delph doesn't, and Benteke doesn't.
Why on earth are people getting so cross about this? I think this reflects really well on the club, it's a decent thing to do. It's the sort of thing that sets us apart. So what if we help him get fit and he goes and signs for a rival club? Doesn't make us mugs, or naive, or anything like that. There are times when I'd love to see Villa be more hard-faced and ruthless as a club, but saying "fuck him" when our former captain simply needs the use of our gym is really not one of those times.
Why on earth are people getting so cross about this? I think this reflects really well on the club, it's a decent thing to do. It's the sort of thing that sets us apart. So what if we help him get fit and he goes and signs for a rival club? Doesn't make us mugs, or naive, or anything like that. There are times when I'd love to see Villa be more hard-faced and ruthless as a club, but saying "fuck him" when our former captain simply needs the use of our gym is really not one of those times.
Why on earth are people getting so cross about this? I think this reflects really well on the club, it's a decent thing to do. It's the sort of thing that sets us apart. So what if we help him get fit and he goes and signs for a rival club? Doesn't make us mugs, or naive, or anything like that. There are times when I'd love to see Villa be more hard-faced and ruthless as a club, but saying "fuck him" when our former captain simply needs the use of our gym is really not one of those times.
You're talking as if it's actually happening, which unless I've missed something being announced, it isn't is it?
Why on earth are people getting so cross about this? I think this reflects really well on the club, it's a decent thing to do. It's the sort of thing that sets us apart. So what if we help him get fit and he goes and signs for a rival club? Doesn't make us mugs, or naive, or anything like that. There are times when I'd love to see Villa be more hard-faced and ruthless as a club, but saying "fuck him" when our former captain simply needs the use of our gym is really not one of those times.
You're talking as if it's actually happening, which unless I've missed something being announced, it isn't is it?
Can I just check - is Vlaar actually using Villa's facilities to recuperate, or have we just had four pages of arguing over a hypothetical scenario?
I honestly can't tell.
Can I just check - is Vlaar actually using Villa's facilities to recuperate, or have we just had four pages of arguing over a hypothetical scenario?
I honestly can't tell.
I'm not sure I agree. Players who run down their contracts generally do so out of greed.
Nah. It's like letting your ex-girlfriend stay in your house after she's left you in a tantrum claiming she can do better, with a book full of phone numbers of all the wealthier blokes in town.
Nah.
You've grown apart over time, she's moved out. She's finding it tough moving on and is mentally "in a bad place", so you let her kip on the sofa for a bit.
However, you both know that sexual contact would be bad. Luckily, you're both grown up enough to realise it.
He has chosen not to remain at the club so don't see why we should help him get fit to potentially play against us in the future. When I left my job, I didn't expect to be able to wander back and help myself to stationery, photocopying and a new laptop.
I'm not sure I agree. Players who run down their contracts generally do so out of greed.
There's a thin line, though, between what we'd consider "greed" and what a player just sees as getting the best options he can.
If you look at Vlaar, one of the most noticeable players - certainly defenders - of the world cup, at a struggling club, last year of his contract about to start, nudging 30, lots of injury problems in the past - all of those things will have been going through his mind when deciding what to do.
You're right, a lot of players are driven by greed, but if you spin that out to mean all of them, then you don't really have much latitude to complain when they act accordingly.
I also think we used greed as a convenient excuse. Benteke leaving = greed. Delph changing his mind = greed. And so on.
It's too easy. When Milner left, there were people on here saying he was leaving through greed. Four years on, look at what he's won in the meantime, and look at the seasons we've had since he went.
I'm in the camp that says that we have no contractual obligations to a former player who decided his future lay elsewhere and an elsewhere that he considered more fitting of his abilities. As such he can now sort himself out, even if having to pay for his own treatment and rehabilitation wasn't quite what he planned.
At the very least he should have a comprehensive induction on how to use all the machines, with a man in a shellsuit.
At the very least he should have a comprehensive induction on how to use all the machines, with a man in a shellsuit.Should imagine Ron knows how to use the machines better than most...
Can you imagine the groans from the medical team if Vlaar hobbled in through the door again?
Can you imagine the groans from the medical team if Vlaar hobbled in through the door again?
Oh I don't know some might fancy a spot of overtime.
what if it were off peak hours and no bank holidays or weekends in the gym, with a £25 direct debit coming out on the first of the month for a guaranteed 6 month contract
I reckon he'd go for that
what if it were off peak hours and no bank holidays or weekends in the gym, with a £25 direct debit coming out on the first of the month for a guaranteed 6 month contract
I reckon he'd go for that
The deal could fall apart over over whether aquafit and insanity sessions were included in the monthly subscription.
that double fumble at the end of the Stoke game is the worst bit of defending from an individual I reckon I have ever seen
How about his clearance towards the corner flag?
How about his clearance towards the corner flag?
That's the one that led directly to our exit out of Europe?
That my choice too, as soon as he did it you knew it would fuck us.
that double fumble at the end of the Stoke game is the worst bit of defending from an individual I reckon I have ever seen
It was dreadful, but I reckon Curtis Davies' comedy attempt at a header against Wigan was the most inept bit of defending I've seen.
that double fumble at the end of the Stoke game is the worst bit of defending from an individual I reckon I have ever seen
that double fumble at the end of the Stoke game is the worst bit of defending from an individual I reckon I have ever seen
It was dreadful, but I reckon Curtis Davies' comedy attempt at a header against Wigan was the most inept bit of defending I've seen.
If that's the one I think it is, that's one of the funniest things I've seen in a football match for years (looks up, sees ball coming down from sky, positions self carefully, watches ball bounce about 20 feet behind him?)/
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
My guess is that; that would have all been done privately to the people concerned a long time ago. Maybe something to the fans perhaps but, this is modern football were talking about.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
My guess is that; that would have all been done privately to the people concerned a long time ago. Maybe something to the fans perhaps but, this is modern football were talking about.
For me it's good etiquette, especially for a former Captain to say a little piece for the fans, notslinklimp away in silence.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
My guess is that; that would have all been done privately to the people concerned a long time ago. Maybe something to the fans perhaps but, this is modern football were talking about.
For me it's good etiquette, especially for a former Captain to say a little piece for the fans, not slink away in silence.
Gone back to AZ Alkmaar according to Sky
Gone back to AZ Alkmaar according to Sky
Nice little town. Ground is strange though, it's a modern identikit bowl construction in the middle of great big f¤¤k off roundabout.
Gone back to AZ Alkmaar according to Sky
Nice little town. Ground is strange though, it's a modern identikit bowl construction in the middle of great big f¤¤k off roundabout.
.....island.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
My guess is that; that would have all been done privately to the people concerned a long time ago. Maybe something to the fans perhaps but, this is modern football were talking about.
For me it's good etiquette, especially for a former Captain to say a little piece for the fans, not slink away in silence.
No goodbyes , no thanks to the club or medical team for all the time they spent with him during lay offs. What a stand up captain. Twat.
My guess is that; that would have all been done privately to the people concerned a long time ago. Maybe something to the fans perhaps but, this is modern football were talking about.
For me it's good etiquette, especially for a former Captain to say a little piece for the fans, not slink away in silence.
He left six months ago.
I'm sure he's gutted.
vlaar when fit was never anything more than average
Yeah last season was certainly his weakest of the three but he still up some good performances in the run in like at Spurs when he had Kane in his pocket and also the cup semi. He also had a couple of good games with Senderos at the start.agree, he had some bad games but mostly we were better with him in the team. He is better than any of our current centre halves.
He was good in 13/14 though, our win ratio was ridiculous when he did and didn't play which was obviously a lot.
Nowhere near the standard of Ugo, Southgate, Mellberg, Laursen etc but I'd rather have him in the squad than people like Clark and Lescott.
A squad of average players would have us in an average position. I'd say that our players currently well below average hence why we are a pile of steaming shite.
In yesterday's Times there was a snippet of an interview with Ron Vlaar. Anyone know where the full version might be as the bit published suggested he was talking in a degree of depth about the club/squad?
To paraphrase he said that the squad at Villa was dysfunctional whereby the default response to being dropped was for the player to moan and whinge whereas - previously in his career - this would be the signal to double their efforts in training. I appreciate he may have an agenda here, so a pinch of salt probably required, however it does seem to support the theory that there is a rotten culture at the club.
In yesterday's Times there was a snippet of an interview with Ron Vlaar. Anyone know where the full version might be as the bit published suggested he was talking in a degree of depth about the club/squad?
To paraphrase he said that the squad at Villa was dysfunctional whereby the default response to being dropped was for the player to moan and whinge whereas - previously in his career - this would be the signal to double their efforts in training. I appreciate he may have an agenda here, so a pinch of salt probably required, however it does seem to support the theory that there is a rotten culture at the club.
In yesterday's Times there was a snippet of an interview with Ron Vlaar. Anyone know where the full version might be as the bit published suggested he was talking in a degree of depth about the club/squad?
To paraphrase he said that the squad at Villa was dysfunctional whereby the default response to being dropped was for the player to moan and whinge whereas - previously in his career - this would be the signal to double their efforts in training. I appreciate he may have an agenda here, so a pinch of salt probably required, however it does seem to support the theory that there is a rotten culture at the club.
There wasnt a full version
In yesterday's Times there was a snippet of an interview with Ron Vlaar. Anyone know where the full version might be as the bit published suggested he was talking in a degree of depth about the club/squad?
To paraphrase he said that the squad at Villa was dysfunctional whereby the default response to being dropped was for the player to moan and whinge whereas - previously in his career - this would be the signal to double their efforts in training. I appreciate he may have an agenda here, so a pinch of salt probably required, however it does seem to support the theory that there is a rotten culture at the club.
There wasnt a full version
I was thinking that they've extracted a the juicy bit from another longer, probably dutch, publication but maybe not. Nothing came up when I googled it at lunch.