Concrete Ron

[Risso]

Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.

Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever.  So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great.  God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.

So you're now comparing Vlaar to Hutton. Hutton since coming to England has been dire. Your position on the whole thing is getting even more fragile. And being picked for Scotland is just like being picked for Holland.

I've just linked a few posts where you've called the manager shit and worse than TSM, plus the entire defence and Barry Bannan.  So apparently it's fair comment when you do it, but if anybody else dares, it's angry bollocks.

[Karl Bridges]

Let's remember he's come from Holland to play in a different league. Is the Dutch league as direct as in England? I don't think he's as bad as some people are saying but look at KEA who has struggled to adjust to the pace of the game. If he had an experienced Premier League defender next to him I'm sure he would have played much better, but having to babysit three novices whilst finding his feet in the league is proving difficult for him.

[Toronto Villa]

Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.

Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever.  So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great.  God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.

So you're now comparing Vlaar to Hutton. Hutton since coming to England has been dire. Your position on the whole thing is getting even more fragile. And being picked for Scotland is just like being picked for Holland.

I've just linked a few posts where you've called the manager shit and worse than TSM, plus the entire defence and Barry Bannan.  So apparently it's fair comment when you do it, but if anybody else dares, it's angry bollocks.

his record is worse than TSM. There's no getting around that. I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated. In all of those examples you've just given I've never take the extreme position like I knew it was always thus. Your statement the Vlarr was always shit and still is is siimply wrong, but it's your one sided opinion that you have on everything Villa nowadays.

[Toronto Villa]

Let's remember he's come from Holland to play in a different league. Is the Dutch league as direct as in England? I don't think he's as bad as some people are saying but look at KEA who has struggled to adjust to the pace of the game. If he had an experienced Premier League defender next to him I'm sure he would have played much better, but having to babysit three novices whilst finding his feet in the league is proving difficult for him.

don't talk sense Karl. It will be attacked.

[SoccerHQ]

My view on him is that he was crap at the start of the season, was improving a lot just before he got injured (I thought he was very good when we went down to 10 against Norwich and also up at Sunderland) and has been crap since he's come back from injury.

Agreed, think he'd be better alongside Dunne than having to babysit.

[Risso]

I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.

If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.

he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?

No just shit, but 'fucking shit'.  Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?

[Ron Manager]

I think when we heard we were getting a Dutchman with the nickname 'Concrete Ron' most of us thought of Jaap Stam' a real hard case.

For the money we paid for him he has been ok. Not outstanding but ok.

[Toronto Villa]

I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.

If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.

he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?

No just shit, but 'fucking shit'.  Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?

Have I said he is always shit? Like you're saying about Vlaar like you somehow knew it before anyone else. Bannan has had plenty of chances, but I've not "always" held that position. Why don't you read what I write before trying to dig shit up. You are the only one on here that is a broken record with your views.

[hilts_coolerking]

For the money we paid for him he has been ok. Not outstanding but ok.

I think that's right.  I had concerns about him based on his performances in the Euros last summer and he's not been a total success.  He makes quite a few mistakes and seems to be quite unlucky to boot.  Not really what you're looking for in a central defender.

[maigrait]

For the money we paid for him he has been ok. Not outstanding but ok.

I think that's right.  I had concerns about him based on his performances in the Euros last summer and he's not been a total success.  He makes quite a few mistakes and seems to be quite unlucky to boot.  Not really what you're looking for in a central defender.

Sounds a bit like richard dunne... He's not exactly lucky either... Scored the most own goals in the premier league hasn't he?

I think some of our players would benefit from time away from matches to regather their thoughts... or some mystic stuff like that.

[Pat McMahon]

Sounds a bit like richard dunne... He's not exactly lucky either... Scored the most own goals in the premier league hasn't he?

I think some of our players would benefit from time away from matches to regather their thoughts... or some mystic stuff like that.
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Andy Reid was talking about Richard Dunne on 5 Live today and referred to his own goal tendency. He said it is because Dunne is prepared to put his body on the line, throw himself in the way of shots etc, so goals will go in off him.

He reckoned Dunne's quality in this sense was definitely something to laud rather than criticise.

[maigrait]

i guess if nothing else dickie dunne will be able to position the younger chaps into perhaps a more effective back line. We certainly need something to help because nothing else appears to be working.

[Risso]

I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.

If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.

he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?

No just shit, but 'fucking shit'.  Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?

Have I said he is always shit? Like you're saying about Vlaar like you somehow knew it before anyone else. Bannan has had plenty of chances, but I've not "always" held that position. Why don't you read what I write before trying to dig shit up.

I didn't say 'always' I said 'since he got here'.  Which he has.

[villan from luton]

Dunne has been a massive miss, and as for Vlaar he has just come back from an injury, possibly too soon.

[Toronto Villa]

I've never said the entire defence has always been shit and certainly haven't said it about Bannan. Have I been critical of him? Absolutely. I think he's massively overrated.

If I ever see Barry Bannan kick a ball for us again I'll run on the pitch and throttle him.

he's fucking shit. Do they not tell him to whip the ball in? Or is that he's just toss and can't do it?

No just shit, but 'fucking shit'.  Is that the footballing equivalent of food not just being food, but M&S food?

Have I said he is always shit? Like you're saying about Vlaar like you somehow knew it before anyone else. Bannan has had plenty of chances, but I've not "always" held that position. Why don't you read what I write before trying to dig shit up.

I didn't say 'always' I said 'since he got here'.  Which he has.

Ok man whatever. If it's since he's been here then it's always. I didn't think you were talking about his time at Feyenoord, AZ Alkmaar or before that.