Concrete Ron

[Toronto Villa]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.

Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.

[eastie]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.

Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.

Norwich were poor defensively too though , just not as poor as us.

[Toronto Villa]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.

Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.

Norwich were poor defensively too though , just not as poor as us.

Yet I refer you to my previous point about nobody making a big issue out of that.

[eastie]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.

Yet, while they were doing so well at Norwich, not one person said that. Everyone was happy Lambert bought him and Gary Karsa with him.

Norwich were poor defensively too though , just not as poor as us.

Yet I refer you to my previous point about nobody making a big issue out of that.

Probably bacause they were winning games unlike us?

[tomd2103]

I think most of the problem is that people are desperate for him to be the big,hard dominant centre half that we have been blessed with in the past, but unfortunately he no where near the standard of other European CH's such as Neilsen, Mellberg, and Laursen.

I don't think Vlaar has been that bad this season, but feel he would definitely benefit from playing alongside the type of player you mention in the post.  Someone like Olsson from the Albion or Hangeland from Fulham would be ideal. 

[Risso]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.

I'd never heard of him before we signed him.  Work out how many goal we've conceded with him in the side from the word go.  I can think of far more games where he's directly made a mistake leading to goals being conceded than I can good games he's had.  And I'm never furious, I just believe in calling a spade a spade.  The most senior defender in our worst ever defensive record can't be called good.

No, you're never furious. Like Nash always the voice of reason and puryeyor of clarity.

I think the word I'd use is 'right'.  Even Ozzjim sees that Lambert is crap these days.

[PeterWithe]

He's not a bad player but he's struggling to play himself back to form whilst nannying the others.

Like so many of our players he will do well elsewhere.

[Clark W Griswold]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.

Oh yes he has. Utter shit from the word go. It always looked a bit suspect that one. We needed a new CB partnership of 2 quality experienced players, who had some experience in this league and we got a bloke who starred in the shittest Dutch team for years in Euro2012 who had only played in the dutch league to partner one of our already shit CB's. It was obvious we hadn't done enough, he has Jan to try to address it and does absolutely fuck all. If we go down this will be one of the main reasons.

[Risso]

Exactly right Clark.

[Toronto Villa]

Exactly right Clark.

Oh look you've found a friend. That's nice

[Risso]

Exactly right Clark.

Oh look you've found a friend. That's nice

No you're right, Vlaar has been superb, as have the rest of the defence and midfield.  If you turn the table upside down, we're second and have scored two goals a game.

[Toronto Villa]

Exactly right Clark.

Oh look you've found a friend. That's nice

No you're right, Vlaar has been superb, as have the rest of the defence and midfield.  If you turn the table upside down, we're second and have scored two goals a game.

Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.

[Risso]

Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.

Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever.  So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great.  God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.

[Toronto Villa]

Because that's what I've said isn't it? I never called him superb, I've never said he hasn't made mistakes, and I've suggested he needs help. You've just called him shit because unlike the manager of Feyenoord or the Dutch national team, or the manager of Aston Villa, you've always known better than all of them. He was shit and is shit. Again, your anger is really affecting your ability to be rational.

Well if you're going to that childish argument, there's never been a bad defender ever.  So despite us averaging two goals against a game, all of our defenders must be great.  God knows why we gut shut of Hutton, because the managers of Tottenham, Scotland and Aston Villa at some point have considered him to be good enough.

So you're now comparing Vlaar to Hutton. Hutton since coming to England has been dire. Your position on the whole thing is getting even more fragile. And being picked for Scotland is just like being picked for Holland.

[joe_c]

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.

A ridiculous statement. Tell me, how many honours Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho won between them in their playing careers?