Footballer in gay magazine

[hilts_coolerking]

Its not football that is racist or homophobic but,with special regard to the latter, its typical of male humour in not understanding something so resorting to playground humour. Its legislation that changes attitudes and politicising the issues not well meaning white liberals who've done nothing to support gay rights.

The pressure to change legislation is more than likely to come from well meaning liberals.  I have to say it amuses me greatly every time someone uses the phrase "well meaning" as if it's some sort of put-down.

[Ger Regan]

The pressure to change legislation is more than likely to come from well meaning liberals.  I have to say it amuses me greatly every time someone uses the phrase "well meaning" as if it's some sort of put-down.

Similarly with the term "do gooder", when you think about it.

[hilts_coolerking]

The pressure to change legislation is more than likely to come from well meaning liberals.  I have to say it amuses me greatly every time someone uses the phrase "well meaning" as if it's some sort of put-down.

Similarly with the term "do gooder", when you think about it.

Exactly.  Good grief, the world needs more people who mean well and want to do good, not fewer.

[Ger Regan]

I'd like to live in a world where everyone helped everyone else, except for those who use the terms "do gooder" or "pc brigade". Let them fend for themselves.

[bertlambshank]

Games makers.Fucking ******.Is it alright to say that?

[hilts_coolerking]

Games makers.Fucking c***s.Is it alright to say that?

Probably, but why would you want to?

[bertlambshank]

Games makers.Fucking c***s.Is it alright to say that?

Probably, but why would you want to?

High fiving Everbody should cover it.

[brian green]

I totally agree with Ger and hilts on the score of the social dilution of the worth of work done by those who want better for their fellow beings.

I think the damning of the "well meaning" and the "do gooder" is part of a contemporary moral shift towards the cult of the anti-hero.

How pernicious the cult of the anti hero has become was brought home to me a few years ago when in a movie (probably one of the Lethal Weapon spawn) Mel Gibson in a lift saw a large sign saying No Smoking and struck a match on it to light a cigarette.  He was the good guy.   Consider that the tobacco industry has pumped millions into product placement especially in movies and you can join up the dots.   Tobacco sponsor wants smoking to be seen as manly and cool.   Central character ignores and abuses a deterrent to smoking thereby abusing and denigrating those who want to stay healthier by not smoking.

My point?   Attempts to curb damage done by smoking, alcohol, junk food, gambling, loan sharking, pornography, reckless driving and the rest are made to be seen as harmless human habits condemned by the nanny state (the corporate label for the well meaning and the doers of good).   Human weakness continues to fuel corporate greed.

[5ft811st2 Durham]

I find it completely unpredictable that this thread threatens to turn into a "you're less tolerant than me" spamfest.

On topic, Fair play to Jarvis, he's put himself in the firing line for something he believes in, if by doing this a few youngsters who are thinking of not following up on a career because they're gay and are terrified end up sticking with the game then he's achieved something.  Getting fans (as a group not individuals) attitudes to change will be much slower.

I imagine his priority was making a few quid and raising his profile.

Obviously, a Premiership footballer has to do everything he can to make a crust

A rich person's  appetite for money  is rarely satiated.

[not3bad]

On the same course we were told that we need to use an universal language as some foreigners would find some aspects of English difficult to understand. The course leader then casually said,
"Yes and that's just the Americans", which prompted some light laughter.
At this point I asked why he'd said American and not Chinese or Indian? That was met by him blushing and mumbling "Well that's well erm different".

To answer your question on behalf of the instructor, the reason he said American is because his joke played on the old "separated by a common language" situation  between the Americans and British, which obviously wouldn't work if he did it with Chinese or Indians.

[QBVILLA]

No it's because he was an utter prick.

[pauliewalnuts]

Its not football that is racist or homophobic but,with special regard to the latter, its typical of male humour in not understanding something so resorting to playground humour. Its legislation that changes attitudes and politicising the issues not well meaning white liberals who've done nothing to support gay rights.

The pressure to change legislation is more than likely to come from well meaning liberals.  I have to say it amuses me greatly every time someone uses the phrase "well meaning" as if it's some sort of put-down.

This could segue into Stewart Lee talking about how "politically correct" is used as an insult.

[LeeB]

Games makers.Fucking c***s.Is it alright to say that?

Probably, but why would you want to?

I'm with him there, I had to queue for three hours with the fuckers to pick up my accreditation for the games.

[peter w]

I use the term 'well-meaning' because that's what people may be. But by rushing to prove their badge of concern to others what are they actually doing. Instead of asking for apologies maybe seeing what they can do for the cause. I'd wager not one person here has done that but are happier to appear as if their good intentions on the internet somehow would make Peter Tatchell their mate.

[Risso]

What would you suggest people do for 'the cause' Pete?