Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise?

Because, whilst he is largely failing, he is at least *trying* to get us playing football, which is something McLeish never seemed to do.

And that "at least he's not McLeish brigade" stuff is absolute bollocks. The people repeatedly bring up McLeish as comparison is you and your fellow small band of miserablists.

What does "trying" mean? This team hoofs it every bit as much as the last team did.
And less of the miserablist rubbish as well please. You criticise the Villa as much as anyone on here does. The only difference is that you seem to have a problem with anyone else who dares to. Perhaps it's because some of us saw it coming while you we're still in the midst of leaping with joy with the signings of our "young and hungry" brigade last summer.

I have a problem with anyone else criticising Villa?  What nonsense.

My problem with your arguments is that they're predictable, facile, and not based on fact, and quite easily taken apart.

As for your "young and hungry" comment about me, for example, if you bothered to look back, you'd see that I've been moaning as much as the next man that we don't have anything like enough experience in the squad, and have been since last summer.

If you're going to get into debates, try to at least think about what you're writing rather than just jumping down the throat of anyone who doesn't see EVERYTHING as dark and done for as you do.

"Jumping down people's throat"? Christ that's rich coming from you!

As for the rest. Well it's just the same, "we're not as bad as people say we are" delusion. Meanwhile we sitting in the bottom 3 in March.

[saunders_heroes]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

[saunders_heroes]

If people want to argue about the defence fair enough, but not the attacking side of our game.

Well why not, have you not seen our goal scoring stats this season?

[pauliewalnuts]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

We haven't scored enough, but the fact we've scored some cracking goals is at least some suggestion that we're trying to play decent stuff.

I am not saying we're playing this stuff anything like enough - far from it - I was just pointing out that, those of us who would stick with Lambert, do so on the basis of things like that.

Things like that being one of the points on which Lambert and McLeish are very different.

[PaulWinch again]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

We haven't scored enough, but the fact we've scored some cracking goals is at least some suggestion that we're trying to play decent stuff.

I am not saying we're playing this stuff anything like enough - far from it - I was just pointing out that, those of us who would stick with Lambert, do so on the basis of things like that.

Things like that being one of the points on which Lambert and McLeish are very different.

Agreed.

[pauliewalnuts]

"Jumping down people's throat"? Christ that's rich coming from you!

As for the rest. Well it's just the same, "we're not as bad as people say we are" delusion. Meanwhile we sitting in the bottom 3 in March.

The only person whose throat I ever get the urge to jump down is yours, and it is because of your inability or unwillingness (can't work out which it is) to engage in debate.

99 percent of the people on here can engage in back and forth constructive debate, and do so. Your posts, on the other hand, are a constant flow of whining in which you can't handle the fact that, hey, maybe the people who disagree with you do so for a reason.

I even tried to explain one of these reasons in answer to you, but you just choose to ignore it.

And before you start whingeing about my use of the word "miserablist", have a look at your post before with your "at least he's not McLeish brigade" point. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

There you go, again, in fact, you're now referring to us as "deluded".

That's a perfect example of what I mean. It's not just me, it gets on the tits of a lot of people.

[saunders_heroes]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

We haven't scored enough, but the fact we've scored some cracking goals is at least some suggestion that we're trying to play decent stuff.

I am not saying we're playing this stuff anything like enough - far from it - I was just pointing out that, those of us who would stick with Lambert, do so on the basis of things like that.

Things like that being one of the points on which Lambert and McLeish are very different.

This is what I find so annoying. It's people who try to condone this season's shitfest by comparing it to last season's abomination under McLeish. People need to get it into their skulls that Lambert's Villa is not better than McLeish's, it's much much worse.

[pauliewalnuts]

This is what I find so annoying. It's people who try to condone this season's shitfest by comparing it to last season's abomination under McLeish. People need to get it into their skulls that Lambert's Villa is not better than McLeish's, it's much much worse.

And there's another perfect example of what I mean.

They're people who are disagreeing with you, annoying though it may be to you.

They don't need to get anything "into their skulls"

[Legion]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

We haven't scored enough, but the fact we've scored some cracking goals is at least some suggestion that we're trying to play decent stuff.

I am not saying we're playing this stuff anything like enough - far from it - I was just pointing out that, those of us who would stick with Lambert, do so on the basis of things like that.

Things like that being one of the points on which Lambert and McLeish are very different.

This is what I find so annoying. It's people who try to condone this season's shitfest by comparing it to last season's abomination under McLeish. People need to get it into their skulls that Lambert's Villa is not better than McLeish's, it's much much worse.

No it isn't.

[saunders_heroes]

"Jumping down people's throat"? Christ that's rich coming from you!

As for the rest. Well it's just the same, "we're not as bad as people say we are" delusion. Meanwhile we sitting in the bottom 3 in March.

The only person whose throat I ever get the urge to jump down is yours, and it is because of your inability or unwillingness (can't work out which it is) to engage in debate.

99 percent of the people on here can engage in back and forth constructive debate, and do so. Your posts, on the other hand, are a constant flow of whining in which you can't handle the fact that, hey, maybe the people who disagree with you do so for a reason.

I even tried to explain one of these reasons in answer to you, but you just choose to ignore it.

And before you start whingeing about my use of the word "miserablist", have a look at your post before with your "at least he's not McLeish brigade" point. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

There you go, again, in fact, you're now referring to us as "deluded".

That's a perfect example of what I mean. It's not just me, it gets on the tits of a lot of people.

The same could be said of you Paulie. You don't agree with me and vice versa, so you resort to jumping down my throat with practically all my posts. I said we'd be in trouble from day 1, and you disagreed. You think it's not as bad as I make out. Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, but so am I. If that makes me a part of the "miserablist few" (as you so charmingly put it) so be it. Just because we disagree doesn't mean I'm not incapable of debate, and it's a bit pompous of you to suggest so.

[saunders_heroes]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

The goals scored column doesn't really back up the comment though.

We haven't scored enough, but the fact we've scored some cracking goals is at least some suggestion that we're trying to play decent stuff.

I am not saying we're playing this stuff anything like enough - far from it - I was just pointing out that, those of us who would stick with Lambert, do so on the basis of things like that.

Things like that being one of the points on which Lambert and McLeish are very different.

This is what I find so annoying. It's people who try to condone this season's shitfest by comparing it to last season's abomination under McLeish. People need to get it into their skulls that Lambert's Villa is not better than McLeish's, it's much much worse.

No it isn't.

Well if you're gonna be like that...

Yes it is.

[saunders_heroes]

This is what I find so annoying. It's people who try to condone this season's shitfest by comparing it to last season's abomination under McLeish. People need to get it into their skulls that Lambert's Villa is not better than McLeish's, it's much much worse.

And there's another perfect example of what I mean.

They're people who are disagreeing with you, annoying though it may be to you.

They don't need to get anything "into their skulls"

And I'm disagreeing with you. Deal with it.

[Legion]

TSM was boring, negative, defensive and sterile. At least under Lambert we look like a football team once more. Just wish he'd sort out the defence.

[saunders_heroes]

TSM was boring, negative, defensive and sterile. At least under Lambert we look like a football team once more. Just wish he'd sort out the defence.

And the midfield, and the attack.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

If we survive, give him another chance.
If we get relegated, get rid.

I can't do better than that

(Adopts Javier Bardem pose from No country for old men)