Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[supertom]

I can't really look at Lamberts desire to try and play football as a major positive. Most of the other sides in the top flight barring maybe 2-3 want to keep the ball on the deck and pass it. Most of those too do it more effectively. Only QPR have scored fewer than us. Also judging by our defensive record, a big problem is also keeping the ball at times too.

It's all well and good him wanting us to go out there and play football in the right way. It's his job to organise the team in such a way that we're do effectively, which has hadn't. The very least an Aston Villa side should rightfully expect is to win as many or more than they lose, and have a reasonable goal difference, hopefully in the positive. We're a hell of a long way from that though.

Incompetence far outweighs the intent at the moment, and that's undeniable. That's also largely on Lamberts shoulders.

[Risso]

Those of us who disagree with you (a small majority on this site) have seen signs that this side can play. We are able to discern that several of the new signings have shown real potential and we've also realised that the myopic policy of ditching managers each summer has only caused us to get worse season on season. At some point we have to get off the merry go round and give a manager the opportunity to establish and implement a plan and not act like spoilt kids at the first sign of trouble.

I've seen signs from all teams this season that they can play.  They're Premier League footballers, they should all be able to string a couple of passes together occasionally.  We just can't defend or creat chances though, and that's why we're in the bottom three and have been roundly battered for most of the season.  Keeping shite managers might provide the stability you're looking for, it's just a shame that stability will be in a lower division.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

At some point we have to get off the merry go round and give a manager the opportunity to establish and implement a plan and not act like spoilt kids at the first sign of trouble.

Rewarding failure is unacceptable.

A slightly hackneyed argument. I'm talking about taking a longer term view rather than just follow the urge to punish someone.

Punishment doesn't come into it.
You are either a success or a failure.
Relegating us is failure in anybody's book, which obviously means he is not up to the job.

I've no great objection to him having another tilt at it if we survive and he can learn from his mistakes.

[john e]

I am amazed at how tolerant posters have been on here to Lambert.   As I have witnessed it, first hand, in the flesh, the only quality I have been able to observe in Paul Lambert to defend his position is that he is not Alex McLeish.   The one flash of brilliance he displayed was snapping up Benteke but that is now diminished by his openly talking about that player moving on.   To all intents and purposes Benteke has been a loan signing with a fee involved and we would probably make a profit but that it the hole in the bottom of our boat - we do not keep our best players.

I think the root cause of our catastrophic decline has been due to cronyism.   The owner appointed a crony as CEO and the manager has a team of cronies who have failed singularly to assemble or discipline a squad capable of basic defending.

The game against Man City next Monday will be the first home league game for as many years as I can remember with no member of my wider family in the crowd.   Not me, or my sons or my daughter or my brothers or my nephews or my great nephews.   That would be about twenty Villa fans in total, proper staunch fans, none of whom travel less than a hundred miles to a game and if I asked them "who would you sooner have to get us out of the shit we are in and keep us in the Premiership, Lambert or McLeish? every one would reply "McLeish".   That is the state we are in in the eyes of a large proportion of the fans, myself included.

Lambert is not Alex Mcliesh as you say, but there is more to it than just stating that fact,
the difference between the two for me is that you knew under Mcliesh no matter what the result that the football would be shite, you cant say that with Lambert,
 yes we have had the record losses which were an embaressment no one is going to deny that, but also we have played some great stuff this season and scored some fantastic goals, we never got that with Mcliesh, never

i know you comand a lot of respect on this site, mine to, but i dont think your post is spot on
in fact i can remember virtually exactly the same post this time last season about Mcliesh, and how he was destroying your dreams and grinding Villa into the dust
what Lambert is trying to do is so different to what Mcliesh did, a million times different, i'm not saying he will ultimatly be successfull, i just dont know, but the template is far better than anything Mcliesh had in store,

i sat there watching Villa last week at Arsenal, the side was not shit, the football was not shit, in fact we played very well, as we have done at times this season and against some of the better teams, its just not producing points yet, but it might given a bit of time,
its like all those inventions on 'the genius of invention'  TV programe, they didnt all hit on it straight away, sometimes it took a few re jigs, sometimes they started as abject failures, but they persevered, and in the end it came good

i see the signs with Lambert that it might come good, far more than with Mcliesh or even MON, if he takes us down then we will need a rethink, but untill then i think its worth perservering.
 

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise? His results are even worse, and he's "built" the worst defence I've ever seen at Villa Park and he's inflicted on us some of if not our most humiliating results in our entire history. The "at least he's not McCleish" brigade are like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise?

Because, whilst he is largely failing, he is at least *trying* to get us playing football, which is something McLeish never seemed to do.

Some of us think there is a possibility it will turn for him and we'll play better more often, hence our desire to keep him on.

And that "at least he's not McLeish brigade" stuff is absolute bollocks. The people repeatedly bring up McLeish as comparison is you and your fellow small band of miserablists.

I totally understand that many people don't agree on this point, but it's a bit daft to pretend you don't even get this argument, even if you don't agree with it, and to opt for that "at least he's not McLeish" bullshit so frequently.

[john e]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise? His results are even worse, and he's "built" the worst defence I've ever seen at Villa Park and he's inflicted on us some of if not our most humiliating results in our entire history. The "at least he's not McCleish" brigade are like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

if you actually think that the football is just as shit, then there is no point disscussing it,
 because you clearly dont know anything about the game, zilch
yuo might as well go and watch some other sport because you havent got a clue about this one

[PaulWinch again]

Of course the football isn't as bad on the whole compared to Mcleish. Our plus side is going forward and we were terrible going forward under Mcleish.

[saunders_heroes]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise?

Because, whilst he is largely failing, he is at least *trying* to get us playing football, which is something McLeish never seemed to do.

And that "at least he's not McLeish brigade" stuff is absolute bollocks. The people repeatedly bring up McLeish as comparison is you and your fellow small band of miserablists.

What does "trying" mean? This team hoofs it every bit as much as the last team did.
And less of the miserablist rubbish as well please. You criticise the Villa as much as anyone on here does. The only difference is that you seem to have a problem with anyone else who dares to. Perhaps it's because some of us saw it coming while you we're still in the midst of leaping with joy with the signings of our "young and hungry" brigade last summer.

[saunders_heroes]

Of course the football isn't as bad on the whole compared to Mcleish. Our plus side is going forward and we were terrible going forward under Mcleish.

Last season was appalling, this season is even worse. The only difference I see is that we play tippy tippy football in our own half this season.

[rutski]

bored out of my skin with this post, there are a few who should just copy and paste their negative comments 30 times a day, it would save them a lot of time!

[PaulWinch again]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert's football is as every bit as shit as McLeish's was last season, so why are people pretending otherwise?

Because, whilst he is largely failing, he is at least *trying* to get us playing football, which is something McLeish never seemed to do.

And that "at least he's not McLeish brigade" stuff is absolute bollocks. The people repeatedly bring up McLeish as comparison is you and your fellow small band of miserablists.

What does "trying" mean? This team hoofs it every bit as much as the last team did.
And less of the miserablist rubbish as well please. You criticise the Villa as much as anyone on here does. The only difference is that you seem to have a problem with anyone else who dares to. Perhaps it's because some of us saw it coming while you we're still in the midst of leaping with joy with the signings of our "young and hungry" brigade last summer.

I have a problem with anyone else criticising Villa?  What nonsense.

My problem with your arguments is that they're predictable, facile, and not based on fact, and quite easily taken apart.

As for your "young and hungry" comment about me, for example, if you bothered to look back, you'd see that I've been moaning as much as the next man that we don't have anything like enough experience in the squad, and have been since last summer.

If you're going to get into debates, try to at least think about what you're writing rather than just jumping down the throat of anyone who doesn't see EVERYTHING as dark and done for as you do.

My problem is with people who criticise the Villa but aren't really prepared to enter into a debate about it - like you.

[pauliewalnuts]

We attack much better this year than last(we actually try). Some of the goals we've scored this year have been brilliant and we never did that under Mcleish.

And that's what I was hinting at it my reply to saunders_heroes.

[PaulWinch again]

If people want to argue about the defence fair enough, but not the attacking side of our game.