Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[saunders_heroes]

I wonder if the reason he hasn't been sacked is to do with Lerner's refusal to pay anymore compensation?

It could just as easily be that they see mitigating cirumstances to the recent performances and have faith in him and the long term plan to nurture youth while riding ourselves of expensive wasters. 

Rid the squad of expensive wasters and replace them with cheap lower league fodder who will take the club down to the championship.

[Chris Smith]

yep people have a blind spot with Lambert. Any of the previous encumbents with the same results would be under real pressure long before now. The thought of us doing a Blackburn and sticking with a complete joke to the end of the season and next is beyond embarrassing.

It's like a wasp who flies into a window, not learning from his mistake he buzzes around for a few seconds then straight back into the glass. The fact that we're on our fourth manager in four seasons would suggest that the short term approach probably isn't the best way. At some point we're going to have to try doing things differently.

[David_Nab]

This is what I don't understand IF he takes us down ,how exactly is he suddenly going to turn results around in the championship bearing in mind 1) We just got beat by a 4th division team and 2) we will lose our best players.

The momentum now is downwards and break neck speed that he is seemingly unable to stop so I just don't get it. Infact can anyone name a manager that has taken a club down ( after being in charge the whole season ) and successfully brought them back up ?

[Concrete John]

The clubs around us are at least trying to address their deficiencies, we are not doing anything of the sort.

I personally think we're trying to address it also.

We've been notoriously tight lipped about transfers since Randy came in, so the lack of 'links' does not concern me.  That's not to say how successful we will be, or how much is in the kitty, but I simply do not believe that they are 'not doing anything'.

[Jarpie]

The clubs around us are at least trying to address their deficiencies, we are not doing anything of the sort.

I personally think we're trying to address it also.

We've been notoriously tight lipped about transfers since Randy came in, so the lack of 'links' does not concern me.  That's not to say how successful we will be, or how much is in the kitty, but I simply do not believe that they are 'not doing anything'.

Unless Lerner is so convinced that we're going down no matter what and thinks that there's no point investing for new players.

[saunders_heroes]

yep people have a blind spot with Lambert. Any of the previous encumbents with the same results would be under real pressure long before now. The thought of us doing a Blackburn and sticking with a complete joke to the end of the season and next is beyond embarrassing.

It's like a wasp who flies into a window, not learning from his mistake he buzzes around for a few seconds then straight back into the glass. The fact that we're on our fourth manager in four seasons would suggest that the short term approach probably isn't the best way. At some point we're going to have to try doing things differently.

Sticking with a manager who has presided over some of the most humiliating results in our entire history is fucking suicide.

[Concrete John]

I wonder if the reason he hasn't been sacked is to do with Lerner's refusal to pay anymore compensation?

It could just as easily be that they see mitigating cirumstances to the recent performances and have faith in him and the long term plan to nurture youth while riding ourselves of expensive wasters. 

Rid the squad of expensive wasters and replace them with cheap lower league fodder who will take the club down to the championship.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  I actually think he's bought well on the whole and our issue is mainly Clark and KEA, who admittedly is a Lambert signing

[eastie]

The old saying a fool and his money- lerner and lambert are well suited - both clueless !
Its us fans who will be left picking up the pieces of their mess for  years after theyve both gone.

[saunders_heroes]

I wonder if the reason he hasn't been sacked is to do with Lerner's refusal to pay anymore compensation?

It could just as easily be that they see mitigating cirumstances to the recent performances and have faith in him and the long term plan to nurture youth while riding ourselves of expensive wasters. 

Rid the squad of expensive wasters and replace them with cheap lower league fodder who will take the club down to the championship.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  I actually think he's bought well on the whole and our issue is mainly Clark and KEA, who admittedly is a Lambert signing

Bought well? Ha!

[Greg N'Ash]

yep people have a blind spot with Lambert. Any of the previous encumbents with the same results would be under real pressure long before now. The thought of us doing a Blackburn and sticking with a complete joke to the end of the season and next is beyond embarrassing.

It's like a wasp who flies into a window, not learning from his mistake he buzzes around for a few seconds then straight back into the glass. The fact that we're on our fourth manager in four seasons would suggest that the short term approach probably isn't the best way. At some point we're going to have to try doing things differently.

I realise its a bit groundhog day Chris, in thats it's following the pattern of the last two managers, but the factors are different imo. Both TSM and Houllier weren't wanted by the fans to start off with, and so got precious little time or patience. Lambert was wanted and imo has been given plenty of patience and good will but in the end what you see on the pitch has turned the fans. No-one's falling over themselves to get him out the door, but he's plainly out of his depth both with his tactics and organisation. He also makes TSM look charismatic, so i'm not surprised he can't get the players to work for him. It's another disasterous appointment and IMO the damage to stability caused by yet another face arriving is far outweighed by the damage just blindling sticking with him because we've overdone our quota of managers in the last 5 years

[hilts_coolerking]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  I actually think he's bought well on the whole and our issue is mainly Clark and KEA, who admittedly is a Lambert signing

So we've bought well and we've got a good manager - it's a wonder why we're not flying up the table and through to the League Cup final.

Please excuse my sarcasm but the vast majority of our results and performances suggest the exact opposite of what you appear to believe.

[saunders_heroes]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  I actually think he's bought well on the whole and our issue is mainly Clark and KEA, who admittedly is a Lambert signing

So we've bought well and we've got a good manager - it's a wonder why we're not flying up the table and through to the League Cup final.

Please excuse my sarcasm but the vast majority of our results and performances suggest the exact opposite of what you appear to believe.

The only decent player he's bought is Benteke, and he's been overused so far. The rest have been pants, and I include Westwood and Lowton in that. Some fans think they're the dog's bollocks for some reason. I just see them losing possession every time they play. Lambert's a complete unmitigated disaster for Aston Villa, yet there's still some out there that think he's doing okay.
It's mind boggling!

[Toronto Villa]

yep people have a blind spot with Lambert. Any of the previous encumbents with the same results would be under real pressure long before now. The thought of us doing a Blackburn and sticking with a complete joke to the end of the season and next is beyond embarrassing.

It's like a wasp who flies into a window, not learning from his mistake he buzzes around for a few seconds then straight back into the glass. The fact that we're on our fourth manager in four seasons would suggest that the short term approach probably isn't the best way. At some point we're going to have to try doing things differently.

Chris I'm all for a longer term approach. But something has radically gone wrong. I think most of us thought we could see the shoots of progress after Liverpool and thought that this is really going in the right direction. Even after Chelsea, as humbling as it was, that we could maybe put it aside and we'd come back with at least some discipline and structure against Spurs. It never happened. It just got progressively worse and there is seemingly no longer a sign of the earlier progress or that in the immediate term of it getting better. I accept that this job was tough to begin with, and that it is a much longer term project beyond one season. But the manager needs to at least nail down the basics and it appears with every game, the basics is the one thing that is eluding us. Ignore any flair or creativity as right now they are luxuries. If Lambert this season just got us defending with any degree of discipline we'd have 8-10 more points and be in the cup final. Those are the most worrying things, and when you think it should be getting better, even just a little bit, it isn't. Basics are the things other clubs key in on when scouting us, and Bradford knew, and Millwall and Newcastle know to get set pieces into the box because inevitably we'll succumb. That's the kind of thing that leads to relegation.

[Chico Hamilton III]

The old saying a fool and his money

A fool and his money are soon partying?

[Monty]

Westwood has demonstrably not been pants, Lowton started well but is suffering from the same confidence-deficiency as the rest of the team and looks lost, Benteke's obviously a real player. Joe Bennett, however, looks totally out of his depth at the minute, KEA started solidly but has gone completely off the boil, Vlaar's never really got started and I'm sorry, Jordan Bowery just looks like a League 2 striker.

I think Lambert has done enough in the past to show that he has genuine managerial qualities - I just think that we're totally the wrong fit, not least because our chairman is so utterly clueless.