Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[Risso]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

He's right, this is easily the worst Villa team I've seen, and I'm only a couple of years younger than you.  Least goals scored, worst defence, worst ever result, you know the drill.  Your argument continues to be "he isn't McLeish" which isn't saying much, seeing as he had £25m to spend on the squad that McLeish kept up. 

You keep saying that, but I've not said that at all. I've only commented on McLeish when others have.

I've made my point about why sacking him would be stupid about 300 times this week alone, and every single time I've pointed out the rapidly disappearing transfer window, the wasting of money on compensation, the lack of a credible alternative, the need for him to assemble a management team and bed them in, you've totally refused to address those questions, other than say "Roberto Di Matteo. Oh, or Roy Keane".

It's only rapidly disappearing because Lerner has kept the useless ****** in employment when he should have been sacked when the Christmas decorations came down!  And £2m on compo is a drop of piss in the ocean compared to what we'll lose when Lambert takes us down, which he surely will.  Another manager MIGHT just keep us up, Lambert definitely, certainly, absolutely, will not.  He's a broken, dejected manner without the slightest clue how to turn things round. 

[pauliewalnuts]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Oh, yes

I remember you saying that about McLeish all last season.

Not.

Come on, you can't really expect us to swallow that one?

We were pissed off with Houllier at the time, we were pissed off with McLeish and now that the patience is starting to wear thin, there are those on here ( myself included) who are now pissed off with PL.

We all have more positive recollections of the past, this goes for all things in life, however, we are all hurting at this time and we can debate the pros and cons of McLeish vs Lambert vs whoever for as long as we want. The facts are, we're heading for the trap door and based on current form I cannot see a single game that I am confident of winning between now and the end of the season.

I am not in disagreement with any of that.

My point is that, beyond bloodletting and the rush of having sacked the manager, you then have to have a better plan to keep us where we are.

If the amount of money available to a new manager is the same as available to the current one - ie bugger all - then changing manager will fix nothing, because that's not the major problem. In fact, it'll make things worse, because it'll leave us with even less money and even less time to both try to get players in, and to get some points together.

[PaulWinch again]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Oh, yes

I remember you saying that about McLeish all last season.

Not.

Come on, you can't really expect us to swallow that one?

We were pissed off with Houllier at the time, we were pissed off with McLeish and now that the patience is starting to wear thin, there are those on here ( myself included) who are now pissed off with PL.

We all have more positive recollections of the past, this goes for all things in life, however, we are all hurting at this time and we can debate the pros and cons of McLeish vs Lambert vs whoever for as long as we want. The facts are, we're heading for the trap door and based on current form I cannot see a single game that I am confident of winning between now and the end of the season.

I am not in disagreement with any of that.

My point is that, beyond bloodletting and the rush of having sacked the manager, you then have to have a better plan to keep us where we are.

If the amount of money available to a new manager is the same as available to the current one - ie bugger all - then changing manager will fix nothing, because that's not the major problem. In fact, it'll make things worse, because it'll leave us with even less money and even less time to both try to get players in, and to get some points together.

Yep that's essentially the problem.

[Dave Clark Five]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

Can Lerner see what is needed to put it right? By the way, I am only 56 but struggle to remember times as crap as this, including those with Penrice and Aspinall in the team. Relegation to the 2nd and 3rd Divisions was not this bad, in my view.

You've got 12 years on me, but I don't see how relegation to the third division was not worse than a run of 1 draw and four losses.

It's all very well cherry picking statistics. The general air about the place is far far worse than it was back in 1970. It is now truly pathetic. We have no one to turn to. Our owner doesn't even show his face. When we went into the 3rd Division, we went there with defiance. That will not be the case next season if we are still owned by a person who has absolutely no charisma.

[pauliewalnuts]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

He's right, this is easily the worst Villa team I've seen, and I'm only a couple of years younger than you.  Least goals scored, worst defence, worst ever result, you know the drill.  Your argument continues to be "he isn't McLeish" which isn't saying much, seeing as he had £25m to spend on the squad that McLeish kept up. 

You keep saying that, but I've not said that at all. I've only commented on McLeish when others have.

I've made my point about why sacking him would be stupid about 300 times this week alone, and every single time I've pointed out the rapidly disappearing transfer window, the wasting of money on compensation, the lack of a credible alternative, the need for him to assemble a management team and bed them in, you've totally refused to address those questions, other than say "Roberto Di Matteo. Oh, or Roy Keane".

It's only rapidly disappearing because Lerner has kept the useless c*** in employment when he should have been sacked when the Christmas decorations came down!  And £2m on compo is a drop of piss in the ocean compared to what we'll lose when Lambert takes us down, which he surely will.  Another manager MIGHT just keep us up, Lambert definitely, certainly, absolutely, will not.  He's a broken, dejected manner without the slightest clue how to turn things round. 

That's where I disagree with you.

Another manager might keep us up, but there's also a good chance he won't. My money is on the manager already in place, who has been working with the squad since the summer getting it right rather than poking around for whoever is available now - and let;s not forget, it's not just "keep us up, then fuck off", it'll mean them being at the club for a while after that.

I am sick to the tits of the short termism. This time last year you were begging for Sam Allardyce. How long would he have got? We sack Lambert now and then get lumbered with Di Matteo. How long does he get?

And seemingly you've decided it'll cost 2m to pay off Lambert - even more money you're suggesting we piss away, having just told us how fucked our finances are.

I also massively resent your simplistic bullshit argument that my only argument is "at least he's not McLeish" when you know full well it is nothing of the sort. I have repeatedly pointed out my reasons for not sacking him, and you've repeatedly failed to come up with a decent counter argument beyond losing your rag. I've also repeatedly asked you your suggestions for how to move forward and you haven't got a fucking clue what to do, you're just so angry you want the present manager sacked.

Look at the voting in the poll above. Thank fuck there are enough of us who can see the wider picture and aren't just perenially angry and wanting to show it, regardless of the cost.

[Risso]

The inability to buy new players is a major problem, you're right, but then so is our completely shambolic organisation, which a new manager may be able to sort out.  Other than about three or four games, we've been shite in the league all season, and look like we have no idea whatsoever how to even begin to keep a clean sheet.  Lambert has made so many idiotic decisions, it's baffling how he's kept his job.  Who would have stuck with the three at the back after getting battered two games running for example?  He was supposed to be a flexible tactician but he makes Martin O'Neill look like Pep Guardiola such is his naivety.

[dl9]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Oh, yes

I remember you saying that about McLeish all last season.

Not.

Come on, you can't really expect us to swallow that one?

We were pissed off with Houllier at the time, we were pissed off with McLeish and now that the patience is starting to wear thin, there are those on here ( myself included) who are now pissed off with PL.

We all have more positive recollections of the past, this goes for all things in life, however, we are all hurting at this time and we can debate the pros and cons of McLeish vs Lambert vs whoever for as long as we want. The facts are, we're heading for the trap door and based on current form I cannot see a single game that I am confident of winning between now and the end of the season.

I am not in disagreement with any of that.

My point is that, beyond bloodletting and the rush of having sacked the manager, you then have to have a better plan to keep us where we are.

If the amount of money available to a new manager is the same as available to the current one - ie bugger all - then changing manager will fix nothing, because that's not the major problem. In fact, it'll make things worse, because it'll leave us with even less money and even less time to both try to get players in, and to get some points together.

I hear you but I will counter it with this: 'If' PL has lost the dressing room and I'm not saying one way or the other as to whether he has or not, but this is a major factor that would determine an outcome irrespective of financial matters.

[hilts_coolerking]

If they were to sack Lambert then right now is the optimum time to do it.  Half a season still to go, half a transfer window to do a few deals.  It's not in their nature though, seemingly, to act decisively or swiftly.

I'm not sure that Risso's ability to come up with decent alternatives has any bearing on whether Lambert should stay or go.  I'm sure Lerner and Faulkner could come up with someone they thought was suitable.  "Here he is guys... Sir Clive Woodward.  Er no, sorry.   Sir Clive Sinclair!"

[pauliewalnuts]

"If"

[saunders_heroes]

I started going to the Villa in '77 and I've never seen a Villa team as bad as this. If others on here think that's being OTT so be it, but that's what I honestly think. I had a season ticket last time we went down and we were nowhere near as poor as we are now. We've been humiliated so many times this season I've lost count. Last season was nothing compared to this disaster.

[Risso]

Look at the voting in the poll above. Thank fuck there are enough of us who can see the wider picture and aren't just perenially angry and wanting to show it, regardless of the cost.

Then you can enjoy paying your money in the Championship with all the other people clever enough to see the wider picture.  Well done you.  And thank god we didn't get Big Sam eh, phew, bullet dodged there.

[pauliewalnuts]

If they were to sack Lambert then right now is the optimum time to do it.  Half a season still to go, half a transfer window to do a few deals.  It's not in their nature though, seemingly, to act decisively or swiftly.

Why is it?

Half a transfer window is two weeks plus a few days. In that time we need to get the new man in, hope to fuck he's spent the last few months scouting rather than sitting watching SSN all day, and pray he can do some business in the few days he'll have left.

[PeterWithesShin]

Was the general air really better as we finished 15th, 19th, 16th, 16th, 21st (relegated), 16th (old div 2), 18th (old div 2), 21st (relegated to division 3)?

[pauliewalnuts]

Look at the voting in the poll above. Thank fuck there are enough of us who can see the wider picture and aren't just perenially angry and wanting to show it, regardless of the cost.

Then you can enjoy paying your money in the Championship with all the other people clever enough to see the wider picture.  Well done you.  And thank god we didn't get Big Sam eh, phew, bullet dodged there.

You act like those of us who disagree with you either don't think we are at risk of relegation, or actually want to go into the Championship. As if we've not noticed how shit results are.

The fact is, you were shouting for Big Sam, who may or may not have kept us up at that point, without thinking that that would have meant being lumbered with him for the foreseeable future.

You yourself would then have turned out to be the very first person calling for his head when we witnessed his neanderthal brand of "football" the following season.

[pauliewalnuts]

I started going to the Villa in '77 and I've never seen a Villa team as bad as this. If others on here think that's being OTT so be it, but that's what I honestly think. I had a season ticket last time we went down and we were nowhere near as poor as we are now. We've been humiliated so many times this season I've lost count. Last season was nothing compared to this disaster.

Maybe we should just shout at you and call you deluded, like you do anyone who doesn't follow your line?