Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[Dave Clark Five]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

Can Lerner see what is needed to put it right? By the way, I am only 56 but struggle to remember times as crap as this, including those with Penrice and Aspinall in the team. Relegation to the 2nd and 3rd Divisions was not this bad, in my view.

[Greg N'Ash]

Any manager who's spent less than 25m and kept his team in the premiership would be a good starting point. Doubt its a short list.

And Lambert didn't do this with Norwich?

He did. As i said its not exactly a short list. My point is saying we can't get better than Lambert is silly. There's loads of managers who've survived in the premiership without throwing 25m at it.

[Risso]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

He's right, this is easily the worst Villa team I've seen, and I'm only a couple of years younger than you.  Least goals scored, worst defence, worst ever result, you know the drill.  Your argument continues to be "he isn't McLeish" which isn't saying much, seeing as he had £25m to spend on the squad that McLeish kept up. 

[aj2k77]

You could stick Barnet in the premier league and they'd have a better run than we have had the last 6 games. You cut your cloth to fit. Play to your strengths, trying to win matches is one thing, carrying on attacking Chelsea when you're 3-0 down and they've built up a head of steam is another.

All this talk of being set up to try and win a game is shit aswell, how many games have we attacked the opposition and gave them real problems and looked like winning, a handfull. We are the divisions whipping boys and need something cleverer than what's being attempted at the moment.

[silhillvilla]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

[Risso]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

[PaulWinch again]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Bit revisionist Risso. We looked a pretty disorganised rabble for the second half of last year.

[pauliewalnuts]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

Can Lerner see what is needed to put it right? By the way, I am only 56 but struggle to remember times as crap as this, including those with Penrice and Aspinall in the team. Relegation to the 2nd and 3rd Divisions was not this bad, in my view.

You've got 12 years on me, but I don't see how relegation to the third division was not worse than a run of 1 draw and four losses.

[pauliewalnuts]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Oh, yes

I remember you saying that about McLeish all last season.

Not.

Come on, you can't really expect us to swallow that one?

[pauliewalnuts]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

He's right, this is easily the worst Villa team I've seen, and I'm only a couple of years younger than you.  Least goals scored, worst defence, worst ever result, you know the drill.  Your argument continues to be "he isn't McLeish" which isn't saying much, seeing as he had £25m to spend on the squad that McLeish kept up. 

You keep saying that, but I've not said that at all. I've only commented on McLeish when others have.

I've made my point about why sacking him would be stupid about 300 times this week alone, and every single time I've pointed out the rapidly disappearing transfer window, the wasting of money on compensation, the lack of a credible alternative, the need for him to assemble a management team and bed them in, you've totally refused to address those questions, other than say "Roberto Di Matteo. Oh, or Roy Keane".

[Greg N'Ash]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

But it doesn't come off if you can't organise your team into some coherent force.  If we were trying to play football with poor players like say Wigan, that would be one thing, but we're not. Its a shambles every time we take the pitch

[Risso]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

Can Lerner see what is needed to put it right? By the way, I am only 56 but struggle to remember times as crap as this, including those with Penrice and Aspinall in the team. Relegation to the 2nd and 3rd Divisions was not this bad, in my view.

You've got 12 years on me, but I don't see how relegation to the third division was not worse than a run of 1 draw and four losses.

We hadn't spent £250m back then, for a start.  And I think we're on the road to dropping another division to be honest, or at least spending a few years in the Championship, at least.  If we go down we'll still be stuck paying the likes of Ireland, Given, Hutton and N'Zogbia their mammoth wages whilst on a reduced income, while the likes of Benteke will be off to Premier Clubs such as Stoke or West Ham.  I don't even think our central midfield is Championship standard to be honest, and can't see Lerner suddenly thinking "Right, better spend some dosh to get us out of this division" seeing as he doesn't seem to want to spend any to keep us in this one.

Our entire club is sick from top to bottom.

[PaulWinch again]

Mcleish created a shambolic negative team. So ignore Mcleish he was a disaster, Lambert has been poor but if Mcleish got a season Lambert deserves one.

[dl9]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

Sorry but we rarely look like winning with Lamberts naive tactics. Hapless endeavour doesn't do it for me.

Nope.  McLeish was negative, but at least he could organise a team and wasn't stupid, unlike Lambert.

Oh, yes

I remember you saying that about McLeish all last season.

Not.

Come on, you can't really expect us to swallow that one?

We were pissed off with Houllier at the time, we were pissed off with McLeish and now that the patience is starting to wear thin, there are those on here ( myself included) who are now pissed off with PL.

We all have more positive recollections of the past, this goes for all things in life, however, we are all hurting at this time and we can debate the pros and cons of McLeish vs Lambert vs whoever for as long as we want. The facts are, we're heading for the trap door and based on current form I cannot see a single game that I am confident of winning between now and the end of the season.

[pauliewalnuts]

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

Can Lerner see what is needed to put it right? By the way, I am only 56 but struggle to remember times as crap as this, including those with Penrice and Aspinall in the team. Relegation to the 2nd and 3rd Divisions was not this bad, in my view.

You've got 12 years on me, but I don't see how relegation to the third division was not worse than a run of 1 draw and four losses.

We hadn't spent £250m back then, for a start.  And I think we're on the road to dropping another division to be honest, or at least spending a few years in the Championship, at least.  If we go down we'll still be stuck paying the likes of Ireland, Given, Hutton and N'Zogbia their mammoth wages whilst on a reduced income, while the likes of Benteke will be off to Premier Clubs such as Stoke or West Ham.  I don't even think our central midfield is Championship standard to be honest, and can't see Lerner suddenly thinking "Right, better spend some dosh to get us out of this division" seeing as he doesn't seem to want to spend any to keep us in this one.

Our entire club is sick from top to bottom.

No, we hadn't, but then again, football was entirely different back then.

I entirely take your points about how much shit we'll be in if we get relegated, and you know my opinion on our glorious leader, I'm just surprised to hear that the possibility of relegation to the second flight is in fact worse than the actual relegation to the third flight.

It's worse in the sense it is now, and we're worrying about it right now rather than something which happened 40 years ago, but really, let's keep it in perspective.