Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Match Thread

[pauliewalnuts]

It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.

3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.

Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.

He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite. 

Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?

Benteke maybe, Vlaar isn't anything special at all.

There's a difference between not being anything special and "absolute shite", mind.

What about Westwood?

It's too easy to shout and scream that all his signings were gash. They weren't. They were on the whole, decent. The problem was they were almost all youngsters being added to a squad bereft of experience.

[Risso]

thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID

That's called shock

Eh?  Just heard an immense amount of booing on my stream.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.

So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.

He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.

There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.

We've heard about nothing but the wage bill for years now.

There is absolute proof there - look at the discussion of the wage bill from the club, the endless talk of self supporting, and then look at the incoming signings and every one of them fits that bill.

2+2= 5,175,245

Err, not really.

Self supporting - fact
Wage bill too high - fact
Signings all low wage - fact

It's pretty simple really, Mark.

Nobody forced Lambert to buy those players. FACT

[Risso]

It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.

3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.

Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.

He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite. 

Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?

Benteke maybe, Vlaar isn't anything special at all.

There's a difference between not being anything special and "absolute shite", mind.

What about Westwood?

It's too easy to shout and scream that all his signings were gash. They weren't. They were on the whole, decent. The problem was they were almost all youngsters being added to a squad bereft of experience.

Westwood is rubbish, Lowton is rubbish, KEA is absolutely dire.

[The Situation]

Collymore just tweeted this

Arsenal 27th Dec 2009 Friedel - L Young - Dunne - Cuellar - Warnock - A Young - Petrov - Milner - Downing - Gabby - Heskey.

Even allowing for Heskey, compare that side with the side today and you see the problem straight away.

when I saw the team lineup against spurs I thought to myself how this team is unrecognizable compared to just two years ago. right now I can say maybe 6 definite starters. guzan, lowton, vlaar, holman, benteke and weimann.

[PaulWinch again]

Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.

Fuck it then, lets just give up.

Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.

I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up.  I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....

My point is that the club expect us to still dig deep into our pockets when they won't.

My point was in order to keep faith, you need to be given something to keep faith in. I'll keep supporting the club as I always have done, but at the moment there is nothing coming from top to bottom to believe our troubles can be sorted.

[adamski villa]

thankfully a lack of booing at full time

you must be joking!

didnt hear a lot on the feed I was on, not surprised though

[Toronto Villa]

thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID

That's called shock

Eh?  Just heard an immense amount of booing on my stream.

Thankfully I'm not watching it and was responding to the previous comments. It's hard to imagine that the locals having paid their hard cash over the past few games, plus Christmas won't be venting their spleen.

[andym]

if money was so tight in the summer, it begs the question why lambert bought benteke and bowery when we already had bent, gabby, weimann and delfouneso as strikers, and failed to get a strong midfield player which it was clear was a vital need.

obviously benteke is looking a good buy, but if there was a limited budget surely we could have done without another forward and spent the money where it was needed more.

and a stricter wage bill does not necessarily mean having to buy youngsters from league 1. other clubs have low wage bills but dont have a team full of kids.

[Villafirst]

Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.

Fuck it then, lets just give up.

Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.

I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up.  I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....

My point is that the club expect us to still dig deep into our pockets when they won't.

Yep, Randy will be over in the Summer getting his staff to ring us pleading for us to buy season-tickets for the Championship. Bright future?....

[mal]

When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?

Anfield. I suggest you buy yourself a memory stick.

Comfortable?

I certainly don't remember that bit. I remember us throwing bodies in front of everything at 3 up. Wigan barely had to break sweat to hold onto their lead today, we looked so blunt.

Lucky deflection got them a goal...just because we're used to losing a slim lead we're hanging on to doesn't mean it's always like that. Liverpool had lost their way and really didn't look like scoring until they got lucky.
It's bad and results don't lie. No cause for hysteria though. Stay Calm and Win The Cup. UTV

[adamski villa]

can we recall the Fonz?

[ciggiesnbeer]

Terrible week to be a Villa supporter. Tough to see how we go forward as a club right now. Maybe the transfer window will have some pleasant surprises.

[Whiney MacWhineface]

thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID

That's called shock

It's also called having the sound muted, there was plenty in evidence from the stream I watched.

Considering the numbers left in the ground I'd agree that the booing was quite spirited.

[Villafirst]

if money was so tight in the summer, it begs the question why lambert bought benteke and bowery when we already had bent, gabby, weimann and delfouneso as strikers, and failed to get a strong midfield player which it was clear was a vital need.

obviously benteke is looking a good buy, but if there was a limited budget surely we could have done without another forward and spent the money where it was needed more.

and a stricter wage bill does not necessarily mean having to buy youngsters from league 1. other clubs have low wage bills but dont have a team full of kids.

Yep, I feel for Lerner when he's down to his last $1.5 Billion - money is very tight.