Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 26, 2015, 12:18:29 AMQuote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:13:27 AMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 26, 2015, 12:05:29 AMQuote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:00:57 AMTo be fair, sometimes the lack of movement from the forward players has restricted passing options for a lot of the playersMovement is the key to creating space and openings all over the pitch. It also makes passing so much easier.Couldn't agree more. Movement - the lack of it off the ball - has been our most chronic failing for most of the last twenty years or so. It drives me absolutely nuts.Absolutely agree. The lack of movement from our forward line is pathetic at best. There have been far too many times in recent games where they stand there like statues next to their markers. Against Blose on Tuesday, we saw Gabby, Gestede and Sinclair literally standing next to each other in the box and neither of them made a run or found space with midfield looking for the next ball. Very frustrating to watch.
Quote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:13:27 AMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 26, 2015, 12:05:29 AMQuote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:00:57 AMTo be fair, sometimes the lack of movement from the forward players has restricted passing options for a lot of the playersMovement is the key to creating space and openings all over the pitch. It also makes passing so much easier.Couldn't agree more. Movement - the lack of it off the ball - has been our most chronic failing for most of the last twenty years or so. It drives me absolutely nuts.
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 26, 2015, 12:05:29 AMQuote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:00:57 AMTo be fair, sometimes the lack of movement from the forward players has restricted passing options for a lot of the playersMovement is the key to creating space and openings all over the pitch. It also makes passing so much easier.Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: villan from luton on September 26, 2015, 12:00:57 AMTo be fair, sometimes the lack of movement from the forward players has restricted passing options for a lot of the playersMovement is the key to creating space and openings all over the pitch. It also makes passing so much easier.
To be fair, sometimes the lack of movement from the forward players has restricted passing options for a lot of the players
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 11:59:05 PMQuote from: passitsideways on September 25, 2015, 11:37:26 PMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 07:31:23 PMThere is a big difference between (i) just moving the ball around for the sake of it and (ii) probing for openings. I think Westwood is more inclined towards the former.Except (i) is still a useful skill, which you have to do when (ii) is not on, especially when the other team is pressing and trying to win the ball back in a hurry. Maybe Westwood doesn't do enough of (ii), but that doesn't mean he's worthless because he's more inclined towards (i)No, you should only use (i) if you are trying to waste time. You should always be looking to do (ii), which involves moving the ball around to draw players out and creates the openings. If the opposition is pressing, you use short passes to get behind them and past the first line of defence. If you are doing (i), you are just using energy for no reward.Perhaps our lack of chances created last season was due to too much of (i).I guess we've got different understandings of the two. As far as I'm concerned, moving the ball around for the sake of it does in fact draw players out, providing that they're not being instructed to sit deep. I see (ii) as more being able to spot a through ball or a chipped ball over the top, or running at a defender with the direct intention of playing a quick one-two to get past them, or drawing them out only to slip the ball to someone else at the last moment.
Quote from: passitsideways on September 25, 2015, 11:37:26 PMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 07:31:23 PMThere is a big difference between (i) just moving the ball around for the sake of it and (ii) probing for openings. I think Westwood is more inclined towards the former.Except (i) is still a useful skill, which you have to do when (ii) is not on, especially when the other team is pressing and trying to win the ball back in a hurry. Maybe Westwood doesn't do enough of (ii), but that doesn't mean he's worthless because he's more inclined towards (i)No, you should only use (i) if you are trying to waste time. You should always be looking to do (ii), which involves moving the ball around to draw players out and creates the openings. If the opposition is pressing, you use short passes to get behind them and past the first line of defence. If you are doing (i), you are just using energy for no reward.Perhaps our lack of chances created last season was due to too much of (i).
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 07:31:23 PMThere is a big difference between (i) just moving the ball around for the sake of it and (ii) probing for openings. I think Westwood is more inclined towards the former.Except (i) is still a useful skill, which you have to do when (ii) is not on, especially when the other team is pressing and trying to win the ball back in a hurry. Maybe Westwood doesn't do enough of (ii), but that doesn't mean he's worthless because he's more inclined towards (i)
There is a big difference between (i) just moving the ball around for the sake of it and (ii) probing for openings. I think Westwood is more inclined towards the former.
Quote from: passitsideways on September 26, 2015, 02:55:12 AMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 11:59:05 PMQuote from: passitsideways on September 25, 2015, 11:37:26 PMQuote from: old man villa fan on September 25, 2015, 07:31:23 PMThere is a big difference between (i) just moving the ball around for the sake of it and (ii) probing for openings. I think Westwood is more inclined towards the former.Except (i) is still a useful skill, which you have to do when (ii) is not on, especially when the other team is pressing and trying to win the ball back in a hurry. Maybe Westwood doesn't do enough of (ii), but that doesn't mean he's worthless because he's more inclined towards (i)No, you should only use (i) if you are trying to waste time. You should always be looking to do (ii), which involves moving the ball around to draw players out and creates the openings. If the opposition is pressing, you use short passes to get behind them and past the first line of defence. If you are doing (i), you are just using energy for no reward.Perhaps our lack of chances created last season was due to too much of (i).I guess we've got different understandings of the two. As far as I'm concerned, moving the ball around for the sake of it does in fact draw players out, providing that they're not being instructed to sit deep. I see (ii) as more being able to spot a through ball or a chipped ball over the top, or running at a defender with the direct intention of playing a quick one-two to get past them, or drawing them out only to slip the ball to someone else at the last moment.I'm enjoying a man known as "passitsideways" defending Ashley Westwood.
Bottom line is he's too slow, weak and ineffective to push us up the league , if you want to be in the 15th - 20th league slots westwood in central midfield is your man
Quote from: silhillvilla on September 26, 2015, 10:44:00 AMBottom line is he's too slow, weak and ineffective to push us up the league , if you want to be in the 15th - 20th league slots westwood in central midfield is your manthishe wouldnt get a start in any top ten side, the epitomy of a nothing player for me
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 26, 2015, 11:29:17 AMQuote from: silhillvilla on September 26, 2015, 10:44:00 AMBottom line is he's too slow, weak and ineffective to push us up the league , if you want to be in the 15th - 20th league slots westwood in central midfield is your manthishe wouldnt get a start in any top ten side, the epitomy of a nothing player for meI think he's probably Championship. In the Prem, at best he should be a squaddie for a bottom 6 side.
Sometimes you get what you deserve in football. Playing the likes of Westwood every week won't see us move forward. Decent player but decent won't move us forward.