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Author Topic: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours  (Read 1897215 times)

Online paul_e

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3900 on: January 10, 2013, 06:30:06 PM »
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in.  We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

 huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

This is the short term thinking that got us into this situation, lets label it mon-ism.  You sign a player who is a marginal improvement over what you have already with the thinking being that you can replace with better later.  The problem is, because players have al lthe power, you've given him a contract bigger than he deserves, both in terms of wages and term, so you can't sell him so if you do sign a replacement you end up with an expensive player on a big contract sat in the reserves (davies, cuellar, shorey all fit with this) pushing the wage bill to silly levels.

NRC on a half season deal if we can't find anyone else would be acceptable at the end of the window if we have no other options, not before and not on a longer deal.

Offline PaulTheVillan

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3901 on: January 10, 2013, 06:32:11 PM »
Robert Pires.

Offline Concrete John

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3902 on: January 10, 2013, 06:32:30 PM »
It's very worrying that we havent been linked with anyone at all apart from this guy from Inter.  Almost every team is being linked with people every day apart from us.

We've been linked with a whole host of players.  How accurate they are I don't know, but we have been linked!

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3903 on: January 10, 2013, 06:33:37 PM »
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in.  We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

 huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......

Offline villan1975

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3904 on: January 10, 2013, 06:33:54 PM »
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in.  We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

 huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

This is the short term thinking that got us into this situation, lets label it mon-ism.  You sign a player who is a marginal improvement over what you have already with the thinking being that you can replace with better later.  The problem is, because players have al lthe power, you've given him a contract bigger than he deserves, both in terms of wages and term, so you can't sell him so if you do sign a replacement you end up with an expensive player on a big contract sat in the reserves (davies, cuellar, shorey all fit with this) pushing the wage bill to silly levels.

NRC on a half season deal if we can't find anyone else would be acceptable at the end of the window if we have no other options, not before and not on a longer deal.

We need a tackling midfielder who can hit the ground running as time is well and truly running out. Not short term in anyway just

don't give out wages to players like we used to. This is where we are at the moment. Would much prefer Diame but why on earth would

he come here for anything other than a large cash incentive.

Offline villan1975

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3905 on: January 10, 2013, 06:37:12 PM »
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in.  We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

 huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......

Who have we got that can do anything as limited as tackle? He tried his very hardest and was not as good as he thought

he was and not as bad as some on here said he was. As normal the truth lies somewhere in the middle and he is exactly what we

need and would be a good leader.

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3906 on: January 10, 2013, 06:37:28 PM »
If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

We need Faulkner to release a statement to the media stating 'Mr Lambert has finance allocated to purchase new players' It may not be very much but at least it would be a pointer in the right direction.

My guess is he may have around three to four million to play with  but Im probably wrong.

But as he has stated he talks to Randy on a weekly basis he knows exactly what his position is.

Offline Dave Clark Five

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3907 on: January 10, 2013, 06:42:40 PM »
If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

Alex McLeish didn't get the £30m to spend in January that he was supposedly promised.
Could be going the same way.

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3908 on: January 10, 2013, 06:45:44 PM »
Is Frimpong fit yet?

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3909 on: January 10, 2013, 06:47:42 PM »
PL will walk on Saturday if we lose.Just look at the body language of the man.
He has the look of a man who had opened the box of his Internet bride and found out its got a dick.

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3910 on: January 10, 2013, 06:52:07 PM »
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in.  We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

 huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......

Who have we got that can do anything as limited as tackle? He tried his very hardest and was not as good as he thought

he was and not as bad as some on here said he was. As normal the truth lies somewhere in the middle and he is exactly what we

need and would be a good leader.

Can you really see PL going against all the philosophy he is trying to install going out and buying NRC ?

Offline villan1975

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3911 on: January 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM »
If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

Alex McLeish didn't get the £30m to spend in January that he was supposedly promised.
Could be going the same way.

Lerner and Faulkner aren't completely clueless then.

Online paul_e

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3912 on: January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM »
See not giving McLeish money I can understand because he didn't exactly spend it well in the summer, but Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today, so the only reason to withhold money is if you don't want him to spend anything on the basis that he might not last long and they don't want a new guy stuck with his signings.

The issue with that is, if that's correct, by not giving him cash you increase the chance you have to sack him because the reuslts won't improve without a bit of leadership in the middle of the defence and attack.

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3913 on: January 10, 2013, 07:03:27 PM »
No I can't see him doing it but that doesn't make it wrong or a bad move. He is more useful than

anything we have now in our current situation and would think he would compliment Westwood nicely.

Like it or not we are in a relegation scrap and who would you prefer NRC trying his hardest and tackling or

the waste of human skin Ireland trousering big money with no effort or commitment.

Offline mike

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Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
« Reply #3914 on: January 10, 2013, 07:04:18 PM »
Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today

Really?

 


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