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Title: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 03, 2012, 01:40:16 PM: Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 Million?

http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2012/10/blogs/should-newcastle-sell-to-aston-villa-for-2m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 03, 2012, 01:50:08 PM: Quote from: not3bad on October 03, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 Million?

http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2012/10/blogs/should-newcastle-sell-to-aston-villa-for-2m

We've cooked our goose if that's the level of player we're after.

Is he Canadian?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on October 03, 2012, 01:50:57 PM: I'd forgotten he existed, isn't he constantly injured? Or just shite?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 03, 2012, 01:53:20 PM: Quote from: TaxDodger on October 03, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
I'd forgotten he existed, isn't he constantly injured? Or just shite?
Both
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mouse Potato on October 03, 2012, 02:26:45 PM: If I was PL I'd give him the bird.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on October 03, 2012, 03:26:03 PM: I wonder how many clubs will be linked with Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 03, 2012, 03:35:36 PM: Gosling has good and bad points.

Good = he'd be cheap.
Bad = he's not very good at football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: berneboy on October 03, 2012, 03:48:04 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on October 03, 2012, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: not3bad on October 03, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 Million?

http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2012/10/blogs/should-newcastle-sell-to-aston-villa-for-2m

We've cooked our goose if that's the level of player we're after.

Is he Canadian?

It took a moment .... you're too clever for me!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on October 03, 2012, 03:50:22 PM: It is said he will move south in the winter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 03, 2012, 03:53:35 PM: Is there a risk he'll put on weight around Christmas?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DBTW on October 03, 2012, 04:23:56 PM: If we sign him we're gonna be stuffed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DBTW on October 03, 2012, 04:24:18 PM: Quote from: DBTW on October 03, 2012, 04:23:56 PM
If we sign him we're gonna be stuffed!

Obviously if he served with....you know
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on October 03, 2012, 04:26:33 PM: Ah the transfer thread, you've been missed dearly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mouse Potato on October 03, 2012, 04:42:10 PM: Should be a cheep purchase
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 03, 2012, 04:45:46 PM: I'll be spitting feathers if we sign him !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: newtonsballs on October 03, 2012, 04:51:45 PM: Surely worth a gander
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on October 03, 2012, 05:34:15 PM: Funny that on the 3rd Oct we have managed to get to 2 pages already !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on October 03, 2012, 05:51:33 PM: Well you can,t duck the issue , 2 million is not a poultry sum .......although perhaps it may be chicken feed to other clubs .........Godzvilla!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 03, 2012, 06:08:05 PM: Didn't take long for a gaggle of posters to swan in with their punnery.

Anyway, stickied ready for January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on October 03, 2012, 07:05:03 PM: I think he is eggsactly what we need...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on October 03, 2012, 07:27:17 PM: Worth a gander but we would hardly be robin them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 03, 2012, 07:43:23 PM: bird....... doh !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 03, 2012, 08:19:00 PM: Jesus just 90 days to go...I was wondering when this would begin. The 1st person who uses the letters I, T and K in that order without any other inbetween dies...

BTW N'Zogbia out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on October 03, 2012, 08:20:25 PM: What's the point in this so early into the season? It's months away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on October 03, 2012, 08:27:34 PM: So Paul Lambert skein on Gosling eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on October 03, 2012, 08:29:12 PM: If Ryan's mum comes along to the signing, it'll turn into a right old pantomime.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 03, 2012, 08:40:37 PM: Yes it is pointless as Paul Lambert will change his plans and targets in January once he finished looking at our squad past the Christmas periods.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on October 03, 2012, 09:08:32 PM: I think he is feather weight and no good on the wing in any case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 03, 2012, 09:34:46 PM: Quote from: Legion on October 03, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
What's the point in this so early into the season? It's months away.
First transfer link? And it's hardly one that warrants its own thread.

Plus, any excuse for a good old H&V punathon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 03, 2012, 09:55:53 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on October 03, 2012, 08:40:37 PM
Yes it is pointless as Paul Lambert will change his plans and targets in January once he finished looking at our squad past the Christmas periods.

Can't spot the pun in here
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on October 03, 2012, 11:40:39 PM: *Looks at thread title*

*Scans through punathon*

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23705197.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 04, 2012, 06:27:23 AM: I would say we need a really top CM in january. Someone who can be influential and martial things. I like El Ahmadi, he's a tidy player, good with the ball, I just think he could do with a solid anchoring player alongside him to give him more freedom. I do think we're lacking a solid tackler in midfield. KEA's tackling isn't great. Delph was taught the art by Scholes it seems and Barry Bannan couldn't tackle an 8 year old, given said 8 year olds superior physical stature. Some experience and some quality too would be good.

I'm also not sure if, long run, Bannan and Delph who currently rotate as KEA's partner, are good enough. Both could work well enough in a 3 man midfield, but our midfield is just a little too light and brittle right now.

Think also, if Ireland and N'Zog aren't consistent enough by Jan, we should sell one or both and get in a quality attacking midfielder. We really missed the invention Ireland can give us against WBA. No one else really offered enough vision or flair.

We could also do with another decent centre half. Someone to push at Clark and even Vlaar. That aside we're in good nick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2012, 10:16:27 AM: I wonder if we'll go back in for Dale Stephens from Preston was it? How's he getting on, didn't we used to have a regular Preston-watcher on here?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2012, 10:21:42 AM: I think Lerner might need to put his hand in his pocket for some proper quality this January, if the results don't get any better. You can't just replace an entire team with a load of kids and expect it to work overnight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 04, 2012, 10:29:03 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2012, 10:16:27 AM
I wonder if we'll go back in for Dale Stephens from Preston was it? How's he getting on, didn't we used to have a regular Preston-watcher on here?

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/dale-stephens-why-charlton-must-build-their-team-around-the-aston-villa-target/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2012, 10:31:29 AM: I think he'll be happy to back the manager again. And we might sell Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2012, 11:42:34 AM: I think we need to sign a top centre mid to alleviate the pressure on the young midfield. That said I'm not writing Westwood off, he's barely had any time to get up to speed and I'm sure he'll come good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on October 04, 2012, 11:46:57 AM: More than signings we just need time. I don't think we'll be in any relegation danger this season, so we can avoid January panic-splurging and maintain our steady growth plan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 04, 2012, 12:03:46 PM: Would like to see more of Westwood, perhaps given a start soon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 04, 2012, 12:07:16 PM: can we sign Eliseu please. Only saw the highlights but damn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 04, 2012, 12:52:42 PM: No doubt Liverpool will be linked with Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 04, 2012, 12:57:05 PM: Quote from: Montbert on October 04, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
More than signings we just need time. I don't think we'll be in any relegation danger this season, so we can avoid January panic-splurging and maintain our steady growth plan.

This. We might not click until December. Patience is needed rather than calls for 'backing' to get us out of a hole we might not even be in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on October 04, 2012, 01:01:18 PM: Quote from: not3bad on October 04, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Montbert on October 04, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
More than signings we just need time. I don't think we'll be in any relegation danger this season, so we can avoid January panic-splurging and maintain our steady growth plan.

This. We might not click until December. Patience is needed rather than calls for 'backing' to get us out of a hole we might not even be in.

Exactly. I can see us being in the drop zone after a very tough November, but I'd be very surprised if we finish anything lower than 12th. I don't think we'll sign many players in January, the squad we have now will be just starting to click.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 04, 2012, 01:23:58 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on October 04, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
No doubt Liverpool will be linked with Bent.

Is he a Brendan Rodgers type of player though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 04, 2012, 01:50:37 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on October 04, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
I think Lerner might need to put his hand in his pocket for some proper quality this January, if the results don't get any better.
Can't see it myself.

Need some experience though as relegation is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mouse Potato on October 04, 2012, 02:02:04 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on October 03, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
If Ryan's mum comes along to the signing, it'll turn into a right old pantomime.

Oh no it won't
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 04, 2012, 05:06:59 PM: I'd like it if the Zaha talk is true. Lots of potential, looks every bit a Lambert signing and it'd be slightly reminiscent of MON bringing in Ashley in Jan 2006.

If we're going to sign anyone in January I'd like it to be a CM. I think we could do with a centre half as well, but I think that can wait until Summer unless something changes drastically.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 04, 2012, 05:28:12 PM: I see Ince could be going Manure . Shame
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 04, 2012, 08:15:24 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 04, 2012, 05:06:59 PM
I'd like it if the Zaha talk is true. Lots of potential, looks every bit a Lambert signing and it'd be slightly reminiscent of MON bringing in Ashley in Jan 2006.

If we're going to sign anyone in January I'd like it to be a CM. I think we could do with a centre half as well, but I think that can wait until Summer unless something changes drastically.

We still look vulnerable at the back.

It could be a case that the back four need time to bed in, but I'd be more confident going into the second half of the season with someone like Dawson brought on board in Jan. A centre midfielder and a decent winger would leave us in even better shape - but we'd need to see bodies out for that to occur.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on October 04, 2012, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 04, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
I think Lerner might need to put his hand in his pocket for some proper quality this January, if the results don't get any better.
Can't see it myself.

Need some experience though as relegation is a distinct possibility.
It is for all but about seven clubs. If we weren't relegated under the last manager, we're sure as hell not going to be relegated under this one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2012, 11:38:34 PM: Quote from: Mouse Potato on October 04, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on October 03, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
If Ryan's mum comes along to the signing, it'll turn into a right old pantomime.

Oh no it won't

Oh yes it will

*Pantomime horse in claret and blue*, running down the channels, as they say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2012, 12:48:08 AM: Quote from: supertom on October 04, 2012, 06:27:23 AM
I would say we need a really top CM in january. Someone who can be influential and martial things. I like El Ahmadi, he's a tidy player, good with the ball, I just think he could do with a solid anchoring player alongside him to give him more freedom. I do think we're lacking a solid tackler in midfield.

Agree Tom. The midfielder you are describing sounds a lot like the player Paul Lambert used to be, so hopefully he has seen the need too. It will be really interesting to see if Michael Henke can uncover any gems in his role at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on October 05, 2012, 08:16:41 AM: F'king hell this is like the Christmas Decorations already being in the shops. It's too early..... :-X
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 05, 2012, 10:13:08 AM: Quote from: Lambstewbert on October 05, 2012, 08:16:41 AM
F'king hell this is like the Christmas Decorations already being in the shops. It's too early..... :-X

I know, I have just bought a 5 foot penguin from costco , I must be mad . but with his boots and kits on , Im getting him down Bodymoor for a trial today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on October 05, 2012, 11:33:58 AM: Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on October 04, 2012, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 04, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
I think Lerner might need to put his hand in his pocket for some proper quality this January, if the results don't get any better.
Can't see it myself.

Need some experience though as relegation is a distinct possibility.
It is for all but about seven clubs. If we weren't relegated under the last manager, we're sure as hell not going to be relegated under this one.

Whilst not wishing to pessimistic, TSM was very very fortunate that there were some dire teams/managers around who were obvious contenders for the drop and duly obliged. This season it's harder to spot many obvious drop candidates. Reading and Saints maybe, then there's Norwich and QPR. Hughton and Hughes have both shown they are capable of better than recent form and by January Hughes will either have been replaced (possibly by Redknapp) or be given a load more cash to spunk. There aren't many other squads who look as fragile as ours so we do need to be a bit careful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 05, 2012, 11:35:39 AM: We do need to get in some proven quality. Probably in the middle of the park and another centre back.
First, we need to find a system to suit what we have, and maybe add to that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 05, 2012, 11:36:40 AM: I think Bent may leave in Jan, which wouldn't be bad for us, as long as we're ticking over nicely and a suitable replacement fits our budget.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on October 05, 2012, 11:39:32 AM: Quote from: ktvillan on October 05, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on October 04, 2012, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 04, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
I think Lerner might need to put his hand in his pocket for some proper quality this January, if the results don't get any better.
Can't see it myself.

Need some experience though as relegation is a distinct possibility.
It is for all but about seven clubs. If we weren't relegated under the last manager, we're sure as hell not going to be relegated under this one.

Whilst not wishing to pessimistic, TSM was very very fortunate that there were some dire teams/managers around who were obvious contenders for the drop and duly obliged. This season it's harder to spot many obvious drop candidates. Reading and Saints maybe, then there's Norwich and QPR. Hughton and Hughes have both shown they are capable of better than recent form and by January Hughes will either have been replaced (possibly by Redknapp) or be given a load more cash to spunk. There aren't many other squads who look as fragile as ours so we do need to be a bit careful.

I think it'll be three from the current bottom five. I wouldn't be surprised to see Swansea in a bit of a struggle as well. I'm confident at least six teams will finish below us even if QPR buy their way out of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 05, 2012, 02:01:17 PM: For my money, Norwich and Reading are pretty much down already. The Baggies will run out of steam and we'll finish above them, but they won't go down. I think it'll be Swansea or Wigan to fill the third spot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on October 05, 2012, 02:06:12 PM: Wigan....last day to send them down...yes please !

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on October 05, 2012, 03:20:04 PM: we need dunney in the side - a new midfield player and well be OK !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 06, 2012, 06:33:20 AM: and in Mid October Randy will have extra billion dollars to spend due to Jimmy Haslem's take over of Cleveland Browns confirmation at NFL Owners meeting. So there should be room for 2 big signing. So it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on October 06, 2012, 07:40:46 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on October 06, 2012, 06:33:20 AM
and in Mid October Randy will have extra billion dollars to spend due to Jimmy Haslem's take over of Cleveland Browns confirmation at NFL Owners meeting. So there should be room for 2 big signing. So it will be interesting to see what happens.

Not so sure Randy is due all of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 06, 2012, 10:46:25 AM: By January Bennett, Westwood, Benteke and Lowton will have adapted to the Premier League and the likes of Albrighton, Bannan and Delph will be playinng their best football as senior players so we won't have any need for new signings!

Well maybe one or two quality additions would be welcome....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on October 06, 2012, 12:53:19 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 05, 2012, 02:01:17 PM
For my money, Norwich and Reading are pretty much down already. The Baggies will run out of steam and we'll finish above them, but they won't go down. I think it'll be Swansea or Wigan to fill the third spot.

Yes I forgot about Wigan but they do have this knack of starting to play like CL contenders for the last 10 games. Swansea I think are a bit like us, you don't know which way it's going to go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 06, 2012, 01:14:02 PM: Quote from: adbo9 on October 05, 2012, 03:20:04 PM
we need dunney in the side - a new midfield player and well be OK !
Milner on loan from Man city in January would be good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on October 06, 2012, 01:29:23 PM: Agreed.......bye the way are you here or there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 06, 2012, 01:37:48 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on October 06, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Agreed.......bye the way are you here or there?
Here matey. Going to the Inn place to watch some footy in an hour and also there for the game tomorrow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: preston28 on October 06, 2012, 09:42:41 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2012, 10:16:27 AM
I wonder if we'll go back in for Dale Stephens from Preston was it? How's he getting on, didn't we used to have a regular Preston-watcher on here?

I live in Preston but don't watch them.......................
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Richard on October 06, 2012, 10:06:34 PM: Charlton not Preston
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on October 06, 2012, 10:07:33 PM: We need a big ugly, horrible, tall, strong in the air, central midfield player. Someone who can play a bit, but also be a nasty horrible bastard if need be. I wouldn't have minded N'Zonzi in the summer I think he would have helped our squad greatly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2012, 10:18:10 PM: We don't need any new signings in January. It's not mandatory to sign players just because there is a transfer window. We need to see the current squad develop this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 06, 2012, 10:35:02 PM: Oh yeah, Charlton not Preston. My bad.

Still, any reports, goals etc.?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 07, 2012, 10:46:44 AM: off topic a bit

nice to see Downing's getting wound by . Tosser
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2012, 10:49:50 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on October 06, 2012, 10:18:10 PM
We don't need any new signings in January. It's not mandatory to sign players just because there is a transfer window. We need to see the current squad develop this season.

Let's see how we're getting on in January. Staying up is the priority over letting kids develop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on October 08, 2012, 07:23:00 AM: I think we need 1 strong, combative midfield general.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on October 08, 2012, 01:53:55 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on October 08, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
I think we need 1 strong, combative midfield general.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

We lack a dynamic player in there. There's plenty about and cheap. How much did Mulumbu cost the Albion for example?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on October 08, 2012, 03:31:34 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 07, 2012, 10:46:44 AM
off topic a bit

nice to see Downing's getting wound by . Tosser

Not a fan of Rodgers but perhaps he's already found out that Downing's over rated and useless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 08, 2012, 03:50:47 PM: Quote from: Ads on October 08, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on October 08, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
I think we need 1 strong, combative midfield general.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

We lack a dynamic player in there. There's plenty about and cheap. How much did Mulumbu cost the Albion for example?
I was thinking during the game against WBA how we could do with someone like Mulumbu in our side. He signed for them when they were in the Championship I think, so he probably cost peanuts. I guess Herd is the closest we have got to a physical presence in midfield and should play more IMHO especially for away games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 08, 2012, 11:32:24 PM: Mulumbu cost about 500k from France, don't worry as that time we were signing the likes of NRC and Sidwell for 8.5 and 5m......

Said it on another thread but someone like Diame at West Ham would've been perfect, a monster presence and he can get around the pitch no problem aswell as we saw against Arsenal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 08, 2012, 11:42:26 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on October 08, 2012, 11:32:24 PM
Mulumbu cost about 500k from France, don't worry as that time we were signing the likes of NRC and Sidwell for 8.5 and 5m......

Said it on another thread but someone like Diame at West Ham would've been perfect, a monster presence and he can get around the pitch no problem aswell as we saw against Arsenal.
Yeah hopefully somebody in that mould is on our wishlist come January. Diame himself would probably have broken our wage cap which is why he was probably never on our radar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 08, 2012, 11:45:46 PM: Mulumbu cost them £175K.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 09, 2012, 09:32:32 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 08, 2012, 11:45:46 PM
Mulumbu cost them £175K.

Their Director of Football did a good job for them, so good he was poached by England. Hopefully with Henke will be able to provide a similar scouting role for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 09, 2012, 09:36:11 AM: Didn't McLeish have Karl Henry in mind for that role for us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 09, 2012, 09:39:12 AM: rumours PL has been watching Lenny Henry , sorry Karl Henry . Hope they are wrong .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on October 09, 2012, 12:24:58 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 09, 2012, 09:39:12 AM
rumours PL has been watching Lenny Henry , sorry Karl Henry . Hope they are wrong .

As I said on the old thread, if he's been watching anyone at Wolves I hope it's Bakary Sako. Big, imposing midfielder who scores goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 09, 2012, 01:36:34 PM: Du du du Nigel Reo-Coker, du du du.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 01:56:53 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on October 09, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
Du du du Nigel Reo-Coker, du du du.
Nah he is so swamped by offers from CL teams that he is taking this long to decide which to accept, remember?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 09, 2012, 02:06:23 PM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on October 09, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
Du du du Nigel Reo-Coker, du du du.
Nah he is so swamped by offers from CL teams that he is taking this long to decide which to accept, remember?
Napoli.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 06:26:54 PM: Keeping tabs on Charlie Austin according to Sky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on October 09, 2012, 06:32:20 PM: Austin scores goals. Worth a punt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 07:11:26 PM: Quote from: Summers on October 09, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Austin scores goals. Worth a punt.
Only if Bent leaves you would think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 09, 2012, 07:30:22 PM: Capoue would be my no1 choice.

Wouldn't mint Zaha or Ince.For me , under 25, up and coming players are the kind we should be signing.

Haven't seen Austin, but i do think Jay Rodriguez is going to be a very good goal scorer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on October 09, 2012, 08:19:30 PM: Would be an unbelievable rise for Auston to get a Premier club. Saw him a few times just a few years ago (2009?) playing for Poole Town, well down the non league pyramid. Good player but didn't think he was all that at the time, what do I know. Swindon obviously saw something they liked and the boy can score goals that's for sure...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2012, 09:41:52 PM: Don't think new forward should be a priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 09, 2012, 10:18:04 PM: Who was the Swindon striker that moved to Leeds and didn't look half the player he was? Paynter?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on October 09, 2012, 10:40:24 PM: Let's reign it in with all they inexperienced signings with potential. We need more proven players and no that doesn't mean they have to be in the over-paid/fed mould of Mutton and Warnock. Petrov has not been adequately replaced and we're missing him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 11:00:50 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
Don't think new forward should be a priority.
Agreed. Unless Bent goes of course. I think an enforcer type DMC, a creative AMC who can play in the hole and a pacy CB.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 11:01:05 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
Don't think new forward should be a priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 10, 2012, 10:08:39 AM: Quote from: eamonn on October 09, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
Let's reign it in with all they inexperienced signings with potential. We need more proven players and no that doesn't mean they have to be in the over-paid/fed mould of Mutton and Warnock. Petrov has not been adequately replaced and we're missing him.

Agree totally.

Too many inexperienced players is very risky indeed. Bit of quality in the middle, please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 10, 2012, 10:40:07 AM: Me too for quality in the middle, I think kea could get forward more if we had a better DCM
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on October 10, 2012, 10:56:01 AM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 09, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: Summers on October 09, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Austin scores goals. Worth a punt.
Only if Bent leaves you would think.
Barry Austin?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 10, 2012, 11:01:59 AM: We don't need a striker, we have several good ones including Darren Bent who will score goals if he plays.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 10, 2012, 11:32:01 AM: we are still two midfielders light . A hard general type for a start with plenty of experience , I suppose they are to come by .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 10, 2012, 12:12:58 PM: The one player who impresses me whenever i see him is Kone at Wigan. I know we're not in urgent need for strikers at the moment but one to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 10, 2012, 12:48:55 PM: What we need are what Wenger took to Arsenal roughly 1997. Vieira and Petit type players. 2 centre midfielders that can get stuck in, get forward and score goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on October 10, 2012, 01:16:25 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 10, 2012, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: eamonn on October 09, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
Let's reign it in with all they inexperienced signings with potential. We need more proven players and no that doesn't mean they have to be in the over-paid/fed mould of Mutton and Warnock. Petrov has not been adequately replaced and we're missing him.

Agree totally.

Too many inexperienced players is very risky indeed. Bit of quality in the middle, please.

Forget Young and Downing, we've never repalced Barry or Milner. We had this in the early 00's after Boateng and Taylor (nowhere near as good as the former two) went and we had severals seasons of drift.

Quality in the midfield has to be a priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on October 10, 2012, 04:20:17 PM: Seeing as we need a Paul Lambert style midfielder we probably have the best man in place to find one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 10, 2012, 04:52:00 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on October 10, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
Seeing as we need a Paul Lambert style midfielder we probably have the best man in place to find one.
Good point. Lets hope so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2012, 06:48:33 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on October 10, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
Seeing as we need a Paul Lambert style midfielder we probably have the best man in place to find one.

Doesn't really work like that though does it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 06:59:34 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on October 10, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on October 10, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
Seeing as we need a Paul Lambert style midfielder we probably have the best man in place to find one.

Doesn't really work like that though does it?

Indeed. McLeish was a more than decent defender as a player. He signed Alan Hutton. And our defence was shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2012, 07:23:09 PM: I read somewhere that Denisov has been frozen out of the Zenit squad and forced to train with the reserves. Quality defensive midfielder but I fear that the Premier League is no longer the cash cow it once was compared to the Russian league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 10, 2012, 07:41:57 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 10, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
I read somewhere that Denisov has been frozen out of the Zenit squad and forced to train with the reserves. Quality defensive midfielder but I fear that the Premier League is no longer the cash cow it once was compared to the Russian league.
His spat is that he is upset that Hulk and Witsel's wages were much higher then everyone elses. So I assume that he'll be after quite a bit more then we can afford from any suitors.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 10, 2012, 07:52:45 PM: What sort of midfield general we should be looking for ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 10, 2012, 08:47:41 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on October 10, 2012, 07:52:45 PM
What sort of midfield general we should be looking for ?

one thats like Viera, Petit, Keane which isnt going to happen cheap unless we unearth a gem which is what we are trying to do with the sort of players we have already signed.

the people who are always banging on a about a midfield enforcer when the likes of karl Henry are mentioned who we probably can afford run a mile, but thats the sort of 'enforcer' we can afford, so lets stop kidding ourselves
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 10, 2012, 09:04:02 PM: Tiote, Mulumbi, N'Zonzi, Sandro, Diame and M'Bia were all players who would improve us who we could have afforded tbf.

We should have signed Michael Bradley when we had the chance though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on October 10, 2012, 10:18:26 PM: Lambert has replaced nore than half the team. He has also installed a top scouting system which i am sure has been under constant instruction to look out for the type of players Lambert needs. I am confident come January he will have several options. Think people have got to remember how shit our football has been and how Lambert is changing philosophy and attitudes. I have massive faith in the progression he is installing. In Lambert we trust ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 10, 2012, 11:13:20 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 10, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
Tiote, Mulumbi, N'Zonzi, Sandro, Diame and M'Bia were all players who would improve us who we could have afforded tbf.

We should have signed Michael Bradley when we had the chance though.

Was there anything to suggest he looked anything but out of his depth in English football?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 11:33:39 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 10, 2012, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 10, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
Tiote, Mulumbi, N'Zonzi, Sandro, Diame and M'Bia were all players who would improve us who we could have afforded tbf.

We should have signed Michael Bradley when we had the chance though.

Was there anything to suggest he looked anything but out of his depth in English football?

He only played just over 100 minutes of first team football for us, and a lot of that was in the Man City cup surrender.

Still amazes me that people decide that was enough time to judge him on, while happy to give Bannan, Albrighton etc still more time to prove themselves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 10, 2012, 11:37:16 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 11:33:39 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 10, 2012, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 10, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
Tiote, Mulumbi, N'Zonzi, Sandro, Diame and M'Bia were all players who would improve us who we could have afforded tbf.

We should have signed Michael Bradley when we had the chance though.

Was there anything to suggest he looked anything but out of his depth in English football?

He only played just over 100 minutes of first team football for us, and a lot of that was in the Man City cup surrender.

Still amazes me that people decide that was enough time to judge him on, while happy to give Bannan, Albrighton etc still more time to prove themselves.

I'm thinking more that in all of that time, Bradley was anonymous. At least you can point to games or moments where Bannan and Albrighton have influenced proceedings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 11:40:55 PM: Again, he played just over 100 minutes. Most of that was in the FA Cup surrender. Do you really think it's fair to judge him on that? Just about every Villa player was anonymous in that City game, should we judge them all on that as well?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 10, 2012, 11:43:02 PM: The coaching staff will have seen him in training for all that time as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 11:58:52 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 10, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
The coaching staff will have seen him in training for all that time as well.

Considering it was McLeish who let him go, i'm not giving that much credibility. After all, he thought Hutton was a good move.

I just find it ridiculous that some fans decide that 100 minutes of first team football was enough to write off a bloke who has spent the last 6 or 7 years more than holding his own in the Dutch, German and Italian top divisions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 11, 2012, 12:01:25 AM: I don't know, but was it McLeish or did he just slip away in the hiatus between Houllier going and the Great Mistake?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2012, 12:02:47 AM: "New manager Alex McLeish decided against picking up the option to make the player's loan switch to Villa Park permanent, leaving the player looking at his options"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 11, 2012, 12:04:40 AM: Seems conclusive enough. Presumably though, he would have taken advice from Sid & Kev Mac.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 12:07:57 AM: I do seem to remember reading something quoted to Houllier saying that he wanted to play Bradley more but was reluctant because we never really pulled away from the relagation battle. Or something along those lines.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 11, 2012, 12:14:56 AM: I was disappointed Bradley wasn't more of a hit than he ended up being. One thing that did surprise me was how slight he was. I could only remember him from the World Cup and he seemed like a little terrier bloke, but then when he arrived at VP he was this gaunt American.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on October 11, 2012, 07:46:13 AM: according to some Norwegian site I came across Charlie Austin of Burnley is a target for next year
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 11, 2012, 07:56:04 AM: The only other name I've heard any link with is another striker, Dynamo Moscow's Aleksander Kokorin, probably just the papers trying to justify their Bent out story.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on October 11, 2012, 11:27:58 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 10, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
The coaching staff will have seen him in training for all that time as well.

Considering it was McLeish who let him go, i'm not giving that much credibility. After all, he thought Hutton was a good move.

I just find it ridiculous that some fans decide that 100 minutes of first team football was enough to write off a bloke who has spent the last 6 or 7 years more than holding his own in the Dutch, German and Italian top divisions.

I'm always bemoaned the fact we passed up a deal for Bradley. He seemed/seems to have the qualities we lacked in midfield, and still do. He's playing for Roma now, of course, which suggests to me that whoever ultimately made the call on him at Villa (and it was reported at the time that McLeish did so, though I'm sure he'd have taken advice and if there was a bit more financial freedom it could have been a different decision) didn't get it right.

You win some, you lose some.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on October 11, 2012, 12:42:30 PM: I'll be honest enough to admit, I saw him in the flesh away at Blackpool and at Man City. and If I had to judge him on those performances, I would have let him go.

I still want Reo-Coker back mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 01:36:16 PM: One theory I always had (probably way off), was that the American signings were more to do with owner rather then manager. I mean is it coincidence that we get an American owner then end up with four American players?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 11, 2012, 03:17:21 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on October 11, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
I'll be honest enough to admit, I saw him in the flesh away at Blackpool and at Man City. and If I had to judge him on those performances, I would have let him go.

I still want Reo-Coker back mind.

If Lambert wants to play the passing game, then NRC is the last player he'd buy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2012, 03:32:00 PM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
One theory I always had (probably way off), was that the American signings were more to do with owner rather then manager. I mean is it coincidence that we get an American owner then end up with four American players?

If there was any truth in that, they did it in a particularly low key way.

One of them had already had a long, successful career in this country prior to joining, one was a kid playing university football, one was a rookie goalkeeper and one was taken on loan and then sent back.

I think the most astonishing thing in all that is that Martin The Blessed Saviour actually signed a player who'd never played in the UK before. Staggering.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 05:00:45 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
One theory I always had (probably way off), was that the American signings were more to do with owner rather then manager. I mean is it coincidence that we get an American owner then end up with four American players?

If there was any truth in that, they did it in a particularly low key way.

One of them had already had a long, successful career in this country prior to joining, one was a kid playing university football, one was a rookie goalkeeper and one was taken on loan and then sent back.

I think the most astonishing thing in all that is that Martin The Blessed Saviour actually signed a player who'd never played in the UK before. Staggering.
Kinda adds weight to my theory. I very much doubt that MON decided to scout the States for a back-up GK or had his eye on College Football for Lichaj. I don't mean that the signings were made above the managers heads but perhaps certain links have been made with those involved in the US football scene due to Randy's influence? I admit that the Friedal signing is the exception here as he was a typical MON signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2012, 05:27:43 PM: If I remember correctly, we spotted Guzan on a pre-season tour to the US.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2012, 05:29:21 PM: Didn't we try and sign Guzan earlier and have to wait another transfer window before he was granted a work permit? Or am I imagining that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 11, 2012, 05:48:55 PM: I wouldn't mind us going down the "buy american" route.

Whilst I am certainly not arguing that Randy should choose the players but the club could have prioritised the US for scouting and building relationships with the franchises. It'd arguably make us more marketable for sponsorship and earned us a few fans too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 06:13:35 PM: You could argue that Randy is attemping to increase our reputation in the States with the regular pre-season tours there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 11, 2012, 07:02:38 PM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
One theory I always had (probably way off), was that the American signings were more to do with owner rather then manager. I mean is it coincidence that we get an American owner then end up with four American players?

If there was any truth in that, they did it in a particularly low key way.

One of them had already had a long, successful career in this country prior to joining, one was a kid playing university football, one was a rookie goalkeeper and one was taken on loan and then sent back.

I think the most astonishing thing in all that is that Martin The Blessed Saviour actually signed a player who'd never played in the UK before. Staggering.
Kinda adds weight to my theory.

Not really. Salifou?

MON -being the control freak that he is- taking player recommendations from RL?

I really don't see that at all.

The price Guzan eventually signed for probably had more to do with it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 07:13:08 PM: The same Salifou who MON never bothered to play?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2012, 09:05:20 PM: Salifou and Guzan were the only two players without experience in the UK that O'Neill signed though, weren't they?
Plus Carew but that was thanks to Houllier offering him as a swap with Baros (Ged's finest achievement at Villa?). And Carew was the archetypal big British number nine. O'Neill must have been delighted, Baros being the foreign fancy-dan anathema that presumably puts him off buying players beyond Dover to this very day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 12, 2012, 01:05:58 AM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 11, 2012, 07:13:08 PM
The same Salifou who MON never bothered to play?

He signed him though.

Whether he played him or not is immaterial.

For the fees and initial wages involved, both deals were about as risk free as it's possible to be in modern football.

I can buy that far more than the idea of RL as some sort of US 'soccer' scout.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 12, 2012, 11:42:35 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 11, 2012, 12:14:56 AM
I was disappointed Bradley wasn't more of a hit than he ended up being.
I agree - as with Makoun, we didn't give these guys enough time to adapt. We're seeing with Holman particularly that it's taking time to get the pace and style of the EPL but I'm convinced that Bradley would have 'got there' and would now be an accomplished holding midfielder with the traits that would endear him to PL (and he probably would have made last season a little more comfortable, too).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2012, 01:36:41 PM: Supposedly we are keeping an eye on Wissam Ben Yedder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 12, 2012, 02:20:18 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2012, 01:36:41 PM
Supposedly we are keeping an eye on Wissam Ben Yedder.

Sounds like something a Boggies fan would say if someone put a header over the bar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on October 12, 2012, 02:44:40 PM: I hope Aaron Hunt (Werder Bremen) caught Lambert's eye in the pre-season friendly because I've seen him a number of times since and he looks very good.
Looks perfect for the p.league
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 12, 2012, 07:33:29 PM: It would be interesting to see if Lambert would keep Michael Bradley if he got the option to choose or not. We will never know. I want a Martin Laursen type in Midfield General role with the skills for footballing midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 12, 2012, 07:37:35 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on October 12, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
It would be interesting to see if Lambert would keep Michael Bradley if he got the option to choose or not. We will never know. I want a Martin Laursen type in Midfield General role with the skills for footballing midfielder.
Spot on that Salsa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 13, 2012, 10:23:10 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2012, 01:36:41 PM
Supposedly we are keeping an eye on Wissam Ben Yedder.

He was in star wars clone wars I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 13, 2012, 11:19:08 PM: Bent to go in January?

@MirrorFootball: Unwanted goods: Aston Villa ready to sell Darren Bent http://t.co/bIhYZn6r
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 13, 2012, 11:20:32 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 13, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Bent to go in January?

@MirrorFootball: Unwanted goods: Aston Villa ready to sell Darren Bent http://t.co/bIhYZn6r

If they keep saying it, one day they'll be right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 12:16:52 AM: Don't mind us selling him if we look safe in the league by January. Hopefully we can get at least 15m if there are more then one clubs bidding for him. Having said that it is probably a BS story as these usually are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on October 14, 2012, 12:39:00 AM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
Don't mind us selling him if we look safe in the league by January. Hopefully we can get at least 15m if there are more then one clubs bidding for him. Having said that it is probably a BS story as these usually are.
Has Bent ever denied the stories?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on October 14, 2012, 12:58:02 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on October 14, 2012, 12:39:00 AM
Quote from: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
Don't mind us selling him if we look safe in the league by January. Hopefully we can get at least 15m if there are more then one clubs bidding for him. Having said that it is probably a BS story as these usually are.
Has Bent ever denied the stories?

Why does he need to bother?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 01:18:04 AM: So every player has to deny any transfer link about them that is peddled in the media?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on October 14, 2012, 06:57:43 AM: Sometimes they don't deny them because itsvtheir agents who have been doing the leaking. I don't think Darren Bent would think twice if somebody (Liverpool) wanted to give him a last big pay day and neither would his agent I'd imagine.

I've never warmed to him particularly but he does score goals and they seem to be our problem at the moment. It'd be mad selling him in January if we are struggling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 09:54:03 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 13, 2012, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 13, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Bent to go in January?

@MirrorFootball: Unwanted goods: Aston Villa ready to sell Darren Bent http://t.co/bIhYZn6r

If they keep saying it, one day they'll be right.

I'm still waiting for us to be taken over by Argentinians and Ardiles to be installed as manager. As Mirror bollocks goes, that was right up there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 10:51:38 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 13, 2012, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 13, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Bent to go in January?

@MirrorFootball: Unwanted goods: Aston Villa ready to sell Darren Bent http://t.co/bIhYZn6r

If they keep saying it, one day they'll be right.

I'm still waiting for us to be taken over by Argentinians and Ardiles to be installed as manager. As Mirror bollocks goes, that was right up there.

theres a few on here who think he will go in Jan, cant see why its Bollocks, just speculation which might well happen
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 10:58:51 AM: He was meant to be leaving last January as well.

I suppose it's possible like all transfers but if he does i can't see it being to Liverpool bearing in mind the pathetic bid they made for Dempsey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karlos96 on October 14, 2012, 11:12:18 AM: We would be crazy to sell but if we did who would buy him?

Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal don't need him and I doubt he would be their sort of player.
Can't see him going back to Spurs, Liverpool and Everton couldn't afford him , that doesn't leave a lot of options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 11:14:51 AM: Quote from: Karlos96 on October 14, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
We would be crazy to sell but if we did who would buy him?

Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal don't need him and I doubt he would be their sort of player.
Can't see him going back to Spurs, Liverpool and Everton couldn't afford him , that doesn't leave a lot of options.

There's always QPR but there's a chance Arry might end up there by January and he's already sold him once.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 11:20:14 AM: Newcastle may go for him if the Ba to Liverpool rumours are true ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on October 14, 2012, 11:25:41 AM: Quote from: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 11:20:14 AM
Newcastle may go for him if the Ba to Liverpool rumours are true ?

He hated living in the North East though didn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 14, 2012, 11:43:10 AM: Let's look at the evidence. Bent hasn't looked happy in claret and blue over the past twelve months.

I remember him arriving first and looking like a class act who single-handedly would fire us up the table the following season. He quickly lost the manager who bought him, ended up playing for TSM who hadn't a clue how best to utilise him and lost his main supply line. Now that Lambert has arrived he hasn't looked like he's any happier really and the tell tale sign that Lambert isn't too bothered was Bent's revelation that it wasn't explained to him why he was 'stripped' of the captaincy and then dropped. He's played under three different managers in less than two years at villa and is known as a player who needs the cuddly type 'arm around the shoulder' treatment.

I always thought he'd be our 20 goal a season man but I can really see him leaving in January having had a very stop-start villa career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 12:00:04 PM: I don't think lambert has any time or patience for sulky type players. Bent strikes me as a sulker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on October 14, 2012, 12:07:11 PM: All I can see is speculation without substance. So, Bent has thrown his toys away. Big deal. He can buckle down and win his place back or leave. I doubt he'll find any joy at QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 12:13:28 PM: There is substance though, he had the captaincy taken away, he's been dropped from the team and he's had a little moan, that's not speculation that's what's happened for definite that we know about
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 12:41:20 PM: Didnt I read somewhere that Lambert doesnt like "flash Harry's" around the camp. Bent rocking up to BH in his new Ferrari coincided with him being stripped of the captaincy and dropped. Might just be coincidence but you do wonder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on October 14, 2012, 12:53:31 PM: The last thing we want to do is sell Bent to QPR in January and get them out of the shit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 12:56:05 PM: Quote from: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
Didnt I read somewhere that Lambert doesnt like "flash Harry's" around the camp. Bent rocking up to BH in his new Ferrari coincided with him being stripped of the captaincy and dropped. Might just be coincidence but you do wonder.
So I take it that Ron Vlaar drives a Skoda? All footballers have flash motors don't they?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on October 14, 2012, 01:25:24 PM: Quote
Let's look at the evidence. Bent hasn't looked happy in claret and blue over the past twelve months.

He's spent most of that time trying to get fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on October 14, 2012, 01:38:34 PM: The stories today seem to be all following from a Paul merson line. I like merse, but he's a bit like pele. If he calls something in football, I'd normally put £20 on the opposite happening

Having said that, sell bent and bring in a couple of midfielders and a fwd and I'd consider it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 14, 2012, 01:50:24 PM: Can't see it being Liverpool. Firstly they don't look like they could stump up the price of a cup of tea at the moment, and secondly if Carroll was fucked off for not being a "Brendan Rodgers style" player how the hell is Darrn Bent one? I'm not saying he won't be off, but if one more scousers starts on at me about how Bent will go to Liverpool because he wants European football I'll rip thir testicles off and shove them up their bright red nose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on October 14, 2012, 02:01:48 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on October 14, 2012, 01:38:34 PM
The stories today seem to be all following from a Paul merson line. I like merse, but he's a bit like pele. If he calls something in football, I'd normally put £20 on the opposite happening

Having said that, sell bent and bring in a couple of midfielders and a fwd and I'd consider it

Merse actually calls something in football then puts £20,000 on the opposite happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 14, 2012, 02:07:40 PM: He's 29 in Feb. This window, if we can find the right suitor would likely be the most we will ever get for him. I'm not a proponent of selling our best players, but at the same time almost all of the top clubs sell their best players when it makes sense for them. They remain the top clubs because they are better than everyone else at finding replacements. We would get maybe £15m for Bent which would go some way to helping Lambert put together his squad. Something we'll only see coming together properly at the end of this season and into next.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 02:13:05 PM: I don't see the QPR links myself. Whilst they have money, they don't seem to be spending alot on transfer fees under Fernandes. It's more about wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 14, 2012, 02:15:50 PM: Quote from: Pete3206 on October 14, 2012, 01:25:24 PM
Quote
Let's look at the evidence. Bent hasn't looked happy in claret and blue over the past twelve months.

He's spent most of that time trying to get fit.

He got injured in February at Wigan away. It was being commented for months before that how he was running about isolated up top with no support and that it didn't seem to be working under TSM.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 02:17:28 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on October 14, 2012, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on October 14, 2012, 01:25:24 PM
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Let's look at the evidence. Bent hasn't looked happy in claret and blue over the past twelve months.

He's spent most of that time trying to get fit.

He got injured in February at Wigan away. It was being commented for months before that how he was running about isolated up top with no support and that it didn't seem to be working under TSM.

That was just TSM though. He has no idea how to work strikers into his teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 14, 2012, 02:23:01 PM: Selling our one player of proven quality, who can score goals, in a season when we're going to struggle would be absolutely nuts.

As would replacing him with someone from the lower leagues. I'm sure at this point someone will say "huh, yeah, but club X replaced player Y with a 12 year old from the Stourbridge Paper Boys League, and they did OK", but that's not the point.

Selling Bent would almost certainly weaken us, and this season the last thing we can afford to do is move on more experience.

Not to mention the sort of message it would send to the fanbase.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 14, 2012, 02:26:30 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 14, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
Selling our one player of proven quality, who can score goals, in a season when we're going to struggle would be absolutely nuts.

As would replacing him with someone from the lower leagues. I'm sure at this point someone will say "huh, yeah, but club X replaced player Y with a 12 year old from the Stourbridge Paper Boys League, and they did OK", but that's not the point.

Selling Bent would almost certainly weaken us, and this season the last thing we can afford to do is move on more experience.

Not to mention the sort of message it would send to the fanbase.

Well said.

It would be insanity to sell a guaranteed goal scorer, the team is sub standard as it is, without losing him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 14, 2012, 02:28:49 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 02:17:28 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 14, 2012, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on October 14, 2012, 01:25:24 PM
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Let's look at the evidence. Bent hasn't looked happy in claret and blue over the past twelve months.

He's spent most of that time trying to get fit.

He got injured in February at Wigan away. It was being commented for months before that how he was running about isolated up top with no support and that it didn't seem to be working under TSM.

That was just TSM though. He has no idea how to work strikers into his teams.

I know. And a lot of villa players looked unhappy last season. My point is many players look rejuvenated under Lambert. Bent doesn't.

Oh, and for the record, I want us to keep Bent. I want him to score twenty goals in claret and blue this season. But I am just coldly looking at the situation and have probably, by now, been hardened to the possibility of losing our best players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 02:29:17 PM: Would his departure weaken us if he isn't the type of player that PL wants in his team? I guess it is sometimes a case of square pegs and round holes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2012, 02:47:40 PM: Selling our only proven goal scorer in January when it's very likely we will be struggling at the wrong end of the table would be absolute suicide.If Randy allows this to happen,he will deserve everything he gets
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 02:48:38 PM: i'm sure if he went Lambert would get the funds to reinvest,
it could be the same senario as Andy Carroll where he doesnt fit into the managers plans for whatever reason, i suppose if it does happen we have to just hold our breath and trust in PL

on the other hand if PL doesnt see Bent as a long term option in what he's trying to build, now would be the time to sell if there is a buyer, because as soon as he hits 30 his price willl plunge and thats not to far of
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 02:51:47 PM: Quote from: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
Didnt I read somewhere that Lambert doesnt like "flash Harry's" around the camp. Bent rocking up to BH in his new Ferrari coincided with him being stripped of the captaincy and dropped. Might just be coincidence but you do wonder.
So I take it that Ron Vlaar drives a Skoda? All footballers have flash motors don't they?

yes, but it does have especially made shiny alloy wheels
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 02:54:22 PM: Keep him and play him. He's a goalscorer and they're very hard to come by. Besides, a replacement of his goalscoring ability would cost a fortune.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 03:01:42 PM: he has scored a load of goals, i think only Rooney and Drogba are up there with him overall in the last 5 seasons

but he has scored them playing for Charlton, Spurs (briefly) Sunderland and Villa,
now if he was this top class goal machine he would have played at a far higher level than that by now, and that is a very difficult thing to right when you are a Vila fan, but never the less remains true in my opinion
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2012, 03:04:38 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 02:54:22 PM
Keep him and play him. He's a goalscorer and they're very hard to come by. Besides, a replacement of his goalscoring ability would cost a fortune.
This . I don't give a toss about his resale value. I love PL but why he seems hell bent in pissing off the only person that can score goals is beyond me. If he's sold in January I'll be really annoyed especially with the message it would send out especially if Benteke/ Gabby aren't scoring consistently . Just look at who the scorer of our last 2 league goals was
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 14, 2012, 03:12:03 PM: I could get over it, and if the money was spent wisely I think it could improve us.

However, not sure I'd want to sell Bent and bring in 3-4 unknowns from the Championship. We need proven quality if we are to let Bent go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 03:14:53 PM: Quote from: john e on October 14, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
he has scored a load of goals, i think only Rooney and Drogba are up there with him overall in the last 5 seasons

but he has scored them playing for Charlton, Spurs (briefly) Sunderland and Villa,
now if he was this top class goal machine he would have played at a far higher level than that by now, and that is a very difficult thing to right when you are a Vila fan, but never the less remains true in my opinion

Alan Shearer was a prolific goalscorer and he only played for Blackburn, Southampton and Newcastle. Don't worry too much that he has'nt played for the top 4, he's playing for a big club in the Premiership which is a high enough level in itself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2012, 03:16:59 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 14, 2012, 03:12:03 PM
I could get over it, and if the money was spent wisely I think it could improve us.

To replace a player of Bents quality would cost us more than what we'd get for him. Just bloody play the man and get him scoring goals like he has been. Madness
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 03:29:27 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: john e on October 14, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
he has scored a load of goals, i think only Rooney and Drogba are up there with him overall in the last 5 seasons

but he has scored them playing for Charlton, Spurs (briefly) Sunderland and Villa,
now if he was this top class goal machine he would have played at a far higher level than that by now, and that is a very difficult thing to right when you are a Vila fan, but never the less remains true in my opinion

Alan Shearer was a prolific goalscorer and he only played for Blackburn, Southampton and Newcastle. Don't worry too much that he has'nt played for the top 4, he's playing for a big club in the Premiership which is a high enough level in itself.
That's spinning it a fraction. Blackburn were champions when Shearer was there and he rejected Manure to go to Newcastle. Bent has never been coveted by a top 4 side to my knowledge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 04:09:51 PM: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make John. On one hand you've said that his scoring record is up there with Rooney and Drogba, but at the same time you're not convinced because he has'nt played for a top 4 side.

His goals kept us up a couple of seasons ago and if he can get back to that form, we'll be urging Lambert to give him a new contract not sell him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM: Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 04:51:21 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make John. On one hand you've said that his scoring record is up there with Rooney and Drogba, but at the same time you're not convinced because he has'nt played for a top 4 side.

His goals kept us up a couple of seasons ago and if he can get back to that form, we'll be urging Lambert to give him a new contract not sell him.

you have hit the nail on the head there with me, i am a bit confused as to where i stand with Bent,

he isnt a player i have raved about in the past, i dont dislike him as such but i just dont think he's as good as others do on here, then you look at his goalscoring record and think well why dont i rate this guy realy highly, but i just dont,
i think he's great for us but i dont think he's one of the worlds top strikers like Shearer was, so yes i am a bit confused, it would not be the end of the world for me to see him go, but obviously we would need to replace him, which will be very difficult i admit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aston Villa on October 14, 2012, 04:58:12 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
This. I remember RVP saying that although he has scored 7 goals this season he would like some more assists also.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
Sunderland really improved when they sold him?? They went from top 6 to relegation fodder. I just don't get this calling him a luxury player. He literally kept us up 2 seasons ago, no one was calling him a luxury player then. We need to play to his strengths as we were doing in the latter part of that season
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 14, 2012, 05:23:03 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
How much do you think a player like that might cost?

Bent is capable of 20 goals plus, it's up to Lambert to get the best out of him and play to his strengths.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on October 14, 2012, 05:30:17 PM: We've not had a full season of Bent yet have we? The way lambert is rotating we're unlikely to do ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 14, 2012, 05:35:57 PM: its all right saying what Lambert should do,
but if he doesnt see Bent as part of the long term future then what can you do,
if its a between Bent or Lambert then the manager will win every time, and there is nothing we can do about it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 05:46:13 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
Sunderland really improved when they sold him??

You could apply this to Arsenal as well i suppose. They sell their best players which is why they've won nothing for the last 7 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 05:54:57 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
Sunderland really improved when they sold him?? They went from top 6 to relegation fodder. I just don't get this calling him a luxury player. He literally kept us up 2 seasons ago, no one was calling him a luxury player then. We need to play to his strengths as we were doing in the latter part of that season

In Bents one full season at Sunderland he scored 25 goals and Sunderland finished 13th on 44 points

The season he left for us Sunderland finished 14th on 41 points.

So Bent basically made no difference and that's without them actually replacing him when he left.

People need to stop being so narrow minded and saying he is a goal scorer, so he has to play.
Sometimes it's about the team and not the player and when Bent plays he is the sole focal point, he does nothing to help the team and he is not good enough to do that in a poor team like Villa, becaus it will be to the detriment of the team.

Yes he will always score, but its not about Bent scoring its about Aston Villa winning games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 06:00:56 PM: I don't remember Lineker being a team player and Michael Owen definatley is'nt, some strikers are'nt. They were there to put the ball in the back of the net. It's exactly why Houiller signed Bent in the first place and thank god he did eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 14, 2012, 06:14:37 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
Yes he will always score, but its not about Bent scoring its about Aston Villa winning games.

Surely one will make the other?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM: I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 14, 2012, 06:20:39 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Exactly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 14, 2012, 06:23:36 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on October 14, 2012, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Exactly.

Quite.

The nearest we've come in years is Dwight Yorke.

I'd like to know who we could get in to do the same scoring job at a price we could afford.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 14, 2012, 06:31:32 PM: Nearest?! Dwight was a far superior player to Bent. I reckon Carew probably was too.

Although Carew's bad was considerably badder than Bent's bad.

Bent's a good player and I don't think we should take any old offer, but if there's big money for a (pretty much) 29 year old and Lambert's funds are limited then it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on October 14, 2012, 06:35:57 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

'We're Aston Villa, we're all idiots.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on October 14, 2012, 07:10:50 PM: I thought it was bad when we got rid of Andy Gray but you know things did get better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 08:00:37 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Is Bent a 'top class' player? I don't think so and that's my issue, he will score goals, but will Aston Villa win games on the back of those goals?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on October 14, 2012, 08:03:38 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Is Bent a 'top class' player? I don't think so and that's my issue, he will score goals, but will Aston Villa win games on the back of those goals?
I think you will find that's how games are won by someone scoring goals!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 14, 2012, 08:12:39 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on October 14, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Is Bent a 'top class' player? I don't think so and that's my issue, he will score goals, but will Aston Villa win games on the back of those goals?
I think you will find that's how games are won by someone scoring goals!
Quote from: aftab235 on October 14, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Is Bent a 'top class' player? I don't think so and that's my issue, he will score goals, but will Aston Villa win games on the back of those goals?
I think you will find that's how games are won by someone scoring goals!

Oh i don't know, a season full of 0-0 draws would get us 38 points and keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 08:37:33 PM: You know exactly what I mean. Lets wait and see what happens next before we continue this debate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on October 14, 2012, 10:24:28 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
Bent is a luxury player, I think the team would improve if we replaced Bent with someone who would score 10-15 goals a season but also bring the team into the game and create chances.
Sunderland really improved when they sold him?? They went from top 6 to relegation fodder. I just don't get this calling him a luxury player. He literally kept us up 2 seasons ago, no one was calling him a luxury player then. We need to play to his strengths as we were doing in the latter part of that season
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 14, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
Nearest?! Dwight was a far superior player to Bent. I reckon Carew probably was too.

Although Carew's bad was considerably badder than Bent's bad.

Bent's a good player and I don't think we should take any old offer, but if there's big money for a (pretty much) 29 year old and Lambert's funds are limited then it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

Dwight Yorke was a completely different league of player to bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on October 14, 2012, 11:17:19 PM: It's a load of bollocks. Slow news day and lazy journalism. It won't happen. Lambert is no fool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 14, 2012, 11:52:44 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Sunderland really improved when they sold him?? They went from top 6 to relegation fodder. I just don't get this calling him a luxury player. He literally kept us up 2 seasons ago, no one was calling him a luxury player then. We need to play to his strengths as we were doing in the latter part of that season
Can we play to his strengths though? Do we have the personnel? We don't have a three of Young, Downing and [in-form] Albrighton to play behind him anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 01:22:15 AM: Bent and Yorke together would have been ace.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on October 15, 2012, 08:21:09 AM: Quote from: 1874 on October 14, 2012, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on October 14, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Sunderland really improved when they sold him?? They went from top 6 to relegation fodder. I just don't get this calling him a luxury player. He literally kept us up 2 seasons ago, no one was calling him a luxury player then. We need to play to his strengths as we were doing in the latter part of that season
Can we play to his strengths though? Do we have the personnel? We don't have a three of Young, Downing and [in-form] Albrighton to play behind him anymore.

If the players we have aren't capable of passing the ball to him around the box we should give up now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on October 15, 2012, 08:58:50 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 01:22:15 AM
Bent and Yorke together would have been ace.
Why ? Bent would have stood watching Yorke do all the work.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

Maybe what we need to do is get the ball to Bent more often?

As for replacing him with a 15 goal a season player who contributes more, who? And how much harder is it going to be to attract anyone half decent if we just reinforce the way the rest of the world sees us by flogging our better player yet again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on October 15, 2012, 09:37:40 AM: I can't help thinking that all the discussions about whether we can play to Bent's strengths are over-analysing things somewhat. He's a striker who does his best work in the box. Just give him some decent service. I understand the need to alternate strikers for certain games and tactics, but if you can't find a way to operate to make the most of out a striker like Bent, it's a concern.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 15, 2012, 09:39:07 AM: If we sell Bent it would be the final nail in the coffin and would make peoples perceptions of us as a club at the moment absolutely correct, as it's what everybody is expecting us to do.It would be completely and utterly depressing in terms of the message it sends out.
I can't for one minute believe that PL cannot see the benefit of having a player like Bent in the side.It's up to him to get the best out of him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 15, 2012, 09:40:21 AM: Quote from: Merv on October 15, 2012, 09:37:40 AM
I can't help thinking that all the discussions about whether we can play to Bent's strengths are over-analysing things somewhat. He's a striker who does his best work in the box. Just give him some decent service. I understand the need to alternate strikers for certain games and tactics, but if you can't find a way to operate to make the most of out a striker like Bent, it's a concern.
If Steve Bruce can manage it.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 15, 2012, 10:06:00 AM: Bent has to stay. I'd rather sell any other of our forwards and keep Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 10:12:02 AM: One Bent goal that sticks in my memory is one he scored against Stoke at home under Houiller. It was a cracking ball in (from Downing i believe) and the header was just superb. It was Bent at his best and at the moment we have'nt got another striker who can put the ball away like that.

I do find it strange how there are people suggesting we should sell a proven goalscorer whilst Gabby gets away with scoring a goal every 6-7 matches.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 15, 2012, 10:26:20 AM: Villa have issued another denial of any rift anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 15, 2012, 10:27:03 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on October 15, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Bent has to stay. I'd rather sell any other of our forwards and keep Bent.

This.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 15, 2012, 11:03:43 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 10:12:02 AM
I do find it strange how there are people suggesting we should sell a proven goalscorer whilst Gabby gets away with scoring a goal every 6-7 matches.
I think those advocating the sell of Bent would probably not lose any sleep if we shipped off Gabby as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on October 15, 2012, 12:14:46 PM: Conspiracy time......... I get the feeling that this is down to finance..... What a shock the only two players weve got a the club with any real proven track record in the premier league are Given and Bent. Theyve been left out. If it was for top players with huge potential, but being honest - Benteke and Guzan are far from that...... I personally think that they are the two top earners on fat contracts, and the club want them off the books..... hence being kind of forced out.............

Just a theory of mine - could be miles off, but with the way our chairman acts it wouldnt surprise me either !

I dont care what anyone says, in the current state of Villa, Given and Bent should be the first two names on the teamsheet !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on October 15, 2012, 12:18:40 PM: Quote from: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.

But Bent is only world-class with the right players around him. Lambert may have calculated that it'll cost a lot more to buy and build a team around one player than it will to buy a few cheaper options that gives us better balance as a team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 12:19:40 PM: Quote from: adbo9 on October 15, 2012, 12:14:46 PM
Conspiracy time......... I get the feeling that this is down to finance..... What a shock the only two players weve got a the club with any real proven track record in the premier league are Given and Bent. Theyve been left out. If it was for top players with huge potential, but being honest - Benteke and Guzan are far from that...... I personally think that they are the two top earners on fat contracts, and the club want them off the books..... hence being kind of forced out.............

Just a theory of mine - could be miles off, but with the way our chairman acts it wouldnt surprise me either !

I dont care what anyone says, in the current state of Villa, Given and Bent should be the first two names on the teamsheet !!

Bent definatley, but not sure about Given. He'd lost a bit of form and it was only fair that Guzan was given a chance. Besides if his wages were that high, they would'nt have signed him in the first place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 12:23:15 PM: Quote from: peter w on October 15, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.

But Bent is only world-class with the right players around him. Lambert may have calculated that it'll cost a lot more to buy and build a team around one player than it will to buy a few cheaper options that gives us better balance as a team.

You could argue that he did'nt exactly have any world beaters playing with him at Sunderland and he still managed to knock in 25 in one season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 15, 2012, 01:20:06 PM: I think it's far too early to second-guess Lambert's intentions. He would probably argue that he knows exactly what Bent can do whereas he has not had the opportunity to look at the other options; in the same way that he has been trying different MF combinations.

I would advocate that he starts being more consistent with his selections: play a team that can put a few games together and start winning together: for me, that would include Bent and another up front, at home, and possibly Gabby or Benteke as a lone striker way from home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 02:23:55 PM: Quote from: peter w on October 15, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.

But Bent is only world-class with the right players around him. Lambert may have calculated that it'll cost a lot more to buy and build a team around one player than it will to buy a few cheaper options that gives us better balance as a team.

But we don't actually need him to be world class, there are plenty of points along the quality scale before you hit that level which would do for us.

Has he ever had world class players around him? As Clampy mentioned, he had mediocrity around him at Sunderland, and he had 9 in 16 for us under Houllier, despite us being largely shit.

I read somewhere last season, towards the end, that the season so far, statistically, he had fewer touches of the ball than any other outfield player in the top flight, and he still had 10 goals in 28 games for us, despite us being the least attacking side on the planet.

The best thing for us to do is surely get Bent the ball and get him scoring goals, not sell him. I'd sooner flog Gabby, personally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on October 15, 2012, 02:33:27 PM: Quote from: adbo9 on October 15, 2012, 12:14:46 PM
Conspiracy time......... I get the feeling that this is down to finance..... What a shock the only two players weve got a the club with any real proven track record in the premier league are Given and Bent. Theyve been left out. If it was for top players with huge potential, but being honest - Benteke and Guzan are far from that...... I personally think that they are the two top earners on fat contracts, and the club want them off the books..... hence being kind of forced out.............

Just a theory of mine - could be miles off, but with the way our chairman acts it wouldnt surprise me either !

I dont care what anyone says, in the current state of Villa, Given and Bent should be the first two names on the teamsheet !!

Also N'Zogbia being dropped for a half fit Albrighton after having a great game up at Man City, Ireland and Holman having one poor game v West Ham and both being dropped for Herd and Delfouneso v Everton, Lowton and Bennett getting the nod over Warnock and Hutton, Lambert pretty much saying in pre season Clark will get the nod over Dunne at centre half this season, Makoun being let out on loan and replaced by Westwood. We appear to be marginalising the high earners all over the place, it probably wont affect us when it relates to Warnock and Hutton, but the likes of Given, Dunne, N'Zogbia, Ireland and in particular Bent could have a big influence on us this season if given a fair crack of the whip, unfortunately I dont think they will get that opportunity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 02:56:05 PM: Ireland has only been dropped once and would probably still be in the side now if he was'nt injured but i agree with you regarding Bent. As for the others, N'Zogbia needs to do more than have one good cup game, i think most of us will agree that he's been a disapointment. Given and Dunne will have to win their places back and Dunne can only do that when he gets fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 15, 2012, 03:00:28 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: peter w on October 15, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.

But Bent is only world-class with the right players around him. Lambert may have calculated that it'll cost a lot more to buy and build a team around one player than it will to buy a few cheaper options that gives us better balance as a team.

But we don't actually need him to be world class, there are plenty of points along the quality scale before you hit that level which would do for us.

Has he ever had world class players around him? As Clampy mentioned, he had mediocrity around him at Sunderland, and he had 9 in 16 for us under Houllier, despite us being largely shit.

I read somewhere last season, towards the end, that the season so far, statistically, he had fewer touches of the ball than any other outfield player in the top flight, and he still had 10 goals in 28 games for us, despite us being the least attacking side on the planet.

The best thing for us to do is surely get Bent the ball and get him scoring goals, not sell him. I'd sooner flog Gabby, personally.

Agreed there is genuinely no logical reason why Bent should not be in the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on October 15, 2012, 03:10:34 PM: Unfortunately Benteke (and Weimann) have been away with their national teams otherwise this would have given PL an ideal opportunity in training (and perhaps a behind closed doors match) to see how Bent links in with them or not, as the case may be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 15, 2012, 03:16:30 PM: Quote from: pedro25 on October 15, 2012, 02:33:27 PM
Makoun being let out on loan and replaced by Westwood. We appear to be marginalising the high earners all over the place, it probably wont affect us when it relates to Warnock and Hutton, but the likes of Given, Dunne, N'Zogbia, Ireland and in particular Bent could have a big influence on us this season if given a fair crack of the whip, unfortunately I dont think they will get that opportunity.

Makoun made it pretty clear he didn't want to come back so you can hardly say he was marginalised. The decision to replace Given with Guzan was purely down to form amd you can hardly say Ireland hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip because he was hardly out of the side before he got injured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 04:23:25 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on October 14, 2012, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: Shrek on October 14, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
Yes he will always score, but its not about Bent scoring its about Aston Villa winning games.

Surely one will make the other?

I dunno. Check out the results when it's happened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 04:38:52 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on October 15, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: peter w on October 15, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Quote from: fbriai on October 15, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 15, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 14, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
I really don't understand this. We waited over ten years to get a top-class goalscorer then as soon as we signed one some of us can't wait to get rid of him.

Neither do I. Do people think we'd be spending the money on a top class replacement if we sold Bent?

We wouldn't. Lerner might be happy to see him replaced with a promising 12 year old from Carlisle, but I know I wouldn't.

This is the issue for me. We should be adding to our best players, not getting rid of them.

But Bent is only world-class with the right players around him. Lambert may have calculated that it'll cost a lot more to buy and build a team around one player than it will to buy a few cheaper options that gives us better balance as a team.

But we don't actually need him to be world class, there are plenty of points along the quality scale before you hit that level which would do for us.

Has he ever had world class players around him? As Clampy mentioned, he had mediocrity around him at Sunderland, and he had 9 in 16 for us under Houllier, despite us being largely shit.

I read somewhere last season, towards the end, that the season so far, statistically, he had fewer touches of the ball than any other outfield player in the top flight, and he still had 10 goals in 28 games for us, despite us being the least attacking side on the planet.

The best thing for us to do is surely get Bent the ball and get him scoring goals, not sell him. I'd sooner flog Gabby, personally.

Agreed there is genuinely no logical reason why Bent should not be in the side.

It's not a difficult concept. With Bent in the team, we usually look disjointed, have very little possession in the final third, and create hardly any chances. Therefore he scores the odd goal in low-scoring (for us) games. The other team has more chance of scoring more because they usually have the lion's share of possession.

Being a better team without him seems pretty logical to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on October 15, 2012, 04:51:42 PM: It shouldn't be an 'either or' senario though. The manager needs to find a balance to the side that allows us to play our most dangerous player and still achieve decent levels possession in the final third.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2012, 04:56:22 PM: I understand what Percy is saying, but are we going to wait until we're behind in a game until we throw him on? I can see why Lambert prefers playing Benteke and Gabby, especially away from home, but we need to start picking up points and that means putting our chances away.

I'd start with Benteke and Bent this saturday personally. They seemed to gel quite well at times in the Swansea game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 05:08:37 PM: Its important we pick up some points now . So If I was PL , I would forget about playing Gabby and Benteke together at the moment. Bent has to start . Ngzobia, Albrighton and Gabby are more of a problem than Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on October 15, 2012, 05:11:44 PM: I can't say I've seen many saying they want rid of Bent, certainly in January. It seems more that they wouldn't be devastated if he left at some point. I haven't taken to him in any big way despite his goals record, I can't really explain why. Maybe it's his effect on the team as Percy states above, or the way he left Sunderland perhaps?

Anyway, selling him in January, especially if we're still struggling points wise aint gonna happen and if it did would be a massive, reckless gamble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on October 15, 2012, 05:24:45 PM: I'd like to see Gabby and Bent up top and N'Zogbia in behind, with a midfield 3 of Holman, KEA and probably Bannan or Ireland when he returns.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 06:16:11 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
Its important we pick up some points now . So If I was PL , I would forget about playing Gabby and Benteke together at the moment. Bent has to start . Ngzobia, Albrighton and Gabby are more of a problem than Bent.

Yeah, they were shit at Man City. When was the last time we scored four with Bent in the team?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:20:06 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
Its important we pick up some points now . So If I was PL , I would forget about playing Gabby and Benteke together at the moment. Bent has to start . Ngzobia, Albrighton and Gabby are more of a problem than Bent.

Yeah, they were shit at Man City. When was the last time we scored four with Bent in the team?

How many games has Bent played for us that lasted 120 minutes?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 06:30:09 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 15, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
Its important we pick up some points now . So If I was PL , I would forget about playing Gabby and Benteke together at the moment. Bent has to start . Ngzobia, Albrighton and Gabby are more of a problem than Bent.

Yeah, they were shit at Man City. When was the last time we scored four with Bent in the team?

How many games has Bent played for us that lasted 120 minutes?

It's probably a similar answer for both questions. Never and none. Only guessing mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM: Depressingly we never scored 4 in a game last season. Although he played in every game we scored 3 in. Even more depressingly only once last season did we score twice when he didn't play, which I work out as 16 games.

And having looked further we only scored 4 once the previous season. Bent played.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 15, 2012, 06:53:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Although he played in every game we scored 3 in.
How many times did we score 3 last season? Off the top of my head I can think of Blackburn, Chelsea and Wolves. Must be some sort of record low whatever it was.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 07:03:13 PM: Quote from: 1874 on October 15, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Although he played in every game we scored 3 in.
How many times did we score 3 last season? Off the top of my head I can think of Blackburn, Chelsea and Wolves. Must be some sort of record low whatever it was.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of who is in the team it's very rare that scoring has been our strong point over the last few decades.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 15, 2012, 07:43:02 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: 1874 on October 15, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
Although he played in every game we scored 3 in.
How many times did we score 3 last season? Off the top of my head I can think of Blackburn, Chelsea and Wolves. Must be some sort of record low whatever it was.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of who is in the team it's very rare that scoring has been our strong point over the last few decades.
EDIT- Don't know where my original message went! Anyway I meant to say that I blame our managers for our lack of goals over the years rather then the players we have at our disposal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andym on October 15, 2012, 07:46:39 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 15, 2012, 04:38:52 PM

It's not a difficult concept. With Bent in the team, we usually look disjointed, have very little possession in the final third, and create hardly any chances. Therefore he scores the odd goal in low-scoring (for us) games. The other team has more chance of scoring more because they usually have the lion's share of possession.

Being a better team without him seems pretty logical to me.

but we are not a better team without him. under houllier we were poor, then bent arrived in the january window and we markedly improved. last season under mcleish we were not great at any point, but when bent was injured at the end of the season we managed to get even worse. league games going back to the start of houlliers season and up till now -

with bent - played - 45; points - 58; goals for - 57; goals against 62
without bent - played - 38; points - 33; goals for- 34; goals against 63.

not much difference between the number of games bent has played some part in and games he hasnt, yet a large difference between goals scored and points gained. also we do not concede more with him in the team, which was surprising.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 15, 2012, 07:58:58 PM: I think the assumption is that if Bent was to be sold then the revenue would be reinvested into the team so the logic above is not exactly relevant (assuming you're saying that Villa play better with Bent).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on October 16, 2012, 01:57:34 AM: Sturridge is on his way out at Stamford Bridge, make it happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM: If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
But then when Bent was scoring 25 goals for Sunderland a couple of years ago, his service was being provided by Andy Reid, Teemu Tainiom, Frazier Campbell and Kenwyne Jones.

It's not like he had Iniesta or Sneijder passing to him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 16, 2012, 08:31:45 AM: Quote from: Dave on October 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
But then when Bent was scoring 25 goals for Sunderland a couple of years ago, his service was being provided by Andy Reid, Teemu Tainiom, Frazier Campbell and Kenwyne Jones.

It's not like he had Iniesta or Sneijder passing to him.

That team and also his successful spell for Charlton was based on a counter attacking style of football, whereas at Spurs where they are expected to win and teams sat back, he was not so prolific.

At the moment Lambert is clearly trying to develop a possession based game which arguably does not play to Bent's strengths as a player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 16, 2012, 09:11:45 AM: Quote from: Dave on October 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
But then when Bent was scoring 25 goals for Sunderland a couple of years ago, his service was being provided by Andy Reid, Teemu Tainiom, Frazier Campbell and Kenwyne Jones.

It's not like he had Iniesta or Sneijder passing to him.

Sunderland built a team around Bent, he scored 25 goals and they finished 13th, so the logic that the team suffers to get the best out of Bent seems correct. Proved by the fact they finished only one place lower the season he left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2012, 09:14:36 AM: We should be getting the best out of Bent full stop, and should not be selling him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 16, 2012, 09:18:10 AM: Quote from: Shrek on October 16, 2012, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: Dave on October 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
But then when Bent was scoring 25 goals for Sunderland a couple of years ago, his service was being provided by Andy Reid, Teemu Tainiom, Frazier Campbell and Kenwyne Jones.

It's not like he had Iniesta or Sneijder passing to him.

Sunderland built a team around Bent, he scored 25 goals and they finished 13th, so the logic that the team suffers to get the best out of Bent seems correct. Proved by the fact they finished only one place lower the season he left.
But were 7th in the league when Bent left.Who knows where they'd have finished if he'd stayed
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on October 16, 2012, 09:53:43 AM: Quote from: villadelph on October 16, 2012, 01:57:34 AM
Sturridge is on his way out at Stamford Bridge, make it happen.

That sounds interesting if true, would he come to us though? If Bent doesn't go to the Dippers I could see Sturrige going there instead. Would be a great player for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 16, 2012, 10:45:21 AM: What if we sell Bent and buy Charlie Austin? It's the type of thing I think Lambert would do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on October 16, 2012, 11:25:44 AM: First thing - There is no conspiracy in why Bent hasn't started the last 2. Before then he'd scored 1 in 5 and looked a little out of form, Benteke came on against Swansea and played well and carried his form on against Man City and was given the nod to start on the back of that. For years we've been crying out for players who are in form to get a run of games, it happens and we get people posting conspiracy theories about trying to sell the players who are replaced.

Second - Bent's goalscoring record at tottenham - this is often quoted as proof that he's not all that and can't do it at a good club. In all competitions he had 41 starts and 38 subs appearances, with the starts very rarely being in a run of games. he scored 24 goals in that times, not a ground breaking record but not proof that he is incapable of palying in a decent side and if you look at the 2nd season on it's own you get 28 starts, 17 subs and 17 goals. That's a good record for anyone other than the very top players in the league, and saw him finish as top scorer for a club who had Defoe, Keane and Pavlyuchneko as the other options. So the reality is he had 1 poor season, directly after becoming one of the most expensive players in the country, I'd suggest it was pressure of expectation rather than ability that caused the problems.

Finally the idea that teams play better without him is a myth. The stats have been presented above, we're a better team with him since he joined, the idea that selling him to buy a midfielder or 2 would improve us is hugely risky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bernie Gallacher on October 16, 2012, 11:42:55 AM: Wouldn't hurt to have a quick gander at him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2012, 11:58:00 AM: Quote from: Shrek on October 16, 2012, 10:45:21 AM
What if we sell Bent and buy Charlie Austin? It's the type of thing I think Lambert would do.

I just don't see the value of selling a proven Premier League goal scorer and replacing him with a proven lower league goal scorer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2012, 12:14:08 PM: Quote from: Dave on October 16, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 16, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
If we are going to sell him, do it now while his value is highest and make sure we reinvest wisely. Better still don't sell him and reinvest wisely to get the most out of him. I don't know that we have the resources to do the latter effectively right now however.
But then when Bent was scoring 25 goals for Sunderland a couple of years ago, his service was being provided by Andy Reid, Teemu Tainiom, Frazier Campbell and Kenwyne Jones.

It's not like he had Iniesta or Sneijder passing to him.

I absolutely appreciate the point Dave. The question I have is how long and how much will it take to put that together here? We don't know how receptive Bent has been to Lambert's approach. It can't all be about him and he has to pull his weight with the rest of the players. Maybe he's not as opne to changing his game at this stage of his career. Like I said, I'd sooner we found a way to get the best out of him and not compromise everything else that we are trying to repair at the same time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 16, 2012, 12:57:48 PM: We should keep Bent and he should be upfront. Working out who to play along side him is what we need to work out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 16, 2012, 01:11:24 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 15, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
I think the assumption is that if Bent was to be sold then the revenue would be reinvested into the team so the logic above is not exactly relevant (assuming you're saying that Villa play better with Bent).
Or maybe we flog him and the dunderheads at the club say
'Right, that takes care of what we spent in the Summer and we'll dole out £5m for a new (sub-standard) striker.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 16, 2012, 01:52:09 PM: What we have to remember about Bent is that he has had two pretty serious injuries recently and having missed most of pre-season, he is still somewhat playing catch up. In the games I have seen him play this season, he still looks a little way off full fitness and match sharpness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 16, 2012, 02:43:31 PM: Our midfield can't compete the way it's currently laid out. We're not giving Bent the service and we're not protecting the back line. If we play 4-4-2 and don't don't offer much width, that's not gonna suit Bent, unless you've got someone of real quality pulling the strings and picking the passes. We have Ireland who's a good player on his day, not great and never will be. His day rarely comes either. CNZ might turn up one day but I doubt it.

In the centre there's no stability with KEA (who'll be okay, probably not much more) and whichever substandard partner he has.

Switch to a three man mid to compete better, protect the defence better and we'll improve. A bit. Right now in CM we offer absolutely nothing to the attack or the defence. Maybe KEA might score 1-2 more from outside the box this season but that won't count for enough in the grand scheme.

Selling Bent could be disastrous though. As poor as he's been this season and last, he's been top scorer still. If his confidence returns and his fitness is 100%, he'll score more. Simple as.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2012, 03:02:27 PM: Quote from: supertom on October 16, 2012, 02:43:31 PM
Our midfield can't compete the way it's currently laid out. We're not giving Bent the service and we're not protecting the back line. If we play 4-4-2 and don't don't offer much width, that's not gonna suit Bent, unless you've got someone of real quality pulling the strings and picking the passes. We have Ireland who's a good player on his day, not great and never will be. His day rarely comes either. CNZ might turn up one day but I doubt it.

In the centre there's no stability with KEA (who'll be okay, probably not much more) and whichever substandard partner he has.

Switch to a three man mid to compete better, protect the defence better and we'll improve. A bit. Right now in CM we offer absolutely nothing to the attack or the defence. Maybe KEA might score 1-2 more from outside the box this season but that won't count for enough in the grand scheme.

Selling Bent could be disastrous though. As poor as he's been this season and last, he's been top scorer still. If his confidence returns and his fitness is 100%, he'll score more. Simple as.

I think it's a bit soon to cast judgement on KEA as yet, also Ireland has been very good this season when he's played. I also think it's a bit early to refer to the others as substandard, Westwood has barely had a kick. I do agree though we could do with some experienced quality in the centre.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on October 16, 2012, 05:57:03 PM: Think KEA has been very good. Breaks up play and has great ball retention something we have seriously lacked. Although i am not a fan Ireland has been a lot better than last season even though he was player of the season last year ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 16, 2012, 06:41:15 PM: I'd advocate a midfield three of KEA, Holman and Herd playing narrow. With a back three and two quick wingbacks, it would accommodate Bent and another striker or Bent with Ireland (when fit) behind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 16, 2012, 07:21:21 PM: Chelsea quoting £20m for Sturridge :O. A massively over valued player, occasionally excellent, often anonymous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 16, 2012, 09:16:33 PM: To be honest, i would sell Bent if we can get Sturridge for the same money.

Still want a good wide player though.Might try and get the young German lad from Chelsk on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 10:19:40 PM: A German site is linking us with Kevin Pezzoni who is apparently a free agent. Somebody on Villa Talk has translated it here: www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/7407-kevin-pezzoni-free-agent/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on October 17, 2012, 12:35:38 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 15, 2012, 09:39:07 AM
If we sell Bent it would be the final nail in the coffin and would make peoples perceptions of us as a club at the moment absolutely correct, as it's what everybody is expecting us to do.It would be completely and utterly depressing in terms of the message it sends out.
I can't for one minute believe that PL cannot see the benefit of having a player like Bent in the side.It's up to him to get the best out of him

me too
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on October 17, 2012, 08:07:57 AM: Surely it is up to Bent, to show PL what he can do???

When i go to work, I have to prove to the Company Directors that I work for that I can do my job to high standard, If I dont then i am out the door.

Interesting article from BIG Ron in the Express and Star, on Monday, he clearly thinks that Bent will be gone in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 17, 2012, 08:15:15 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on October 17, 2012, 08:07:57 AM
Surely it is up to Bent, to show PL what he can do???
The goals against WBA and Southampton should give him a hint.

If it was McCatpiss dropping Bent with rumours of fallings out, there would be burning effigys at Villa Park.
Lambert does it and it's considered 'for the good of the team.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 17, 2012, 09:25:10 AM: I don't think it'll be entirely a case of us selling Bent because PL doesn't want him anymore, or to cash in. I think if anything, it'll be Bent pushing the move to get out of here. He's not particularly got the best rapport with the fans. I mean I like him, decent goalscorer but he leaves me cold. It's the same for many on here. There was a lot of love for strikers here in previous years. Carew was popular with fans. Angel was quite popular amongst his fans, as much as he was unpopular with his naysayers. Dublin was a crowd fave too. Bent isn't particularly. Injuries and form have contributed to that but he's not been the Holte hero many expected him to be. He probably senses that too.
Of course that'll mean naff all to him I'd guess. He's well paid but he could get paid more elsewhere, in a team in the right end of the Prem table. If he doesn't start every week I'd guess he'll want out in Jan. He doesn't seem happy with his football at the moment. I might be over analysing but that's how it seems.
The big concern is that we won't get all that much for him given what we paid, and I don't see all the fee being re-invested in the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 17, 2012, 10:31:03 AM: Liverpool rule out a move for Darren Bent:

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-rule-out-move-for-england-striker
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 17, 2012, 10:37:07 AM: I wish they'd stop saying he's been stripped of the arm band, it's just been given to someone more suited, it's completely different in my opinion
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2012, 10:40:52 AM: Getting bored of this Bent saga now. Ok, yeah, he's a good goalscorer, which we need. So, obviously I want us to keep him. But, he isn't bigger than the club. If we sell him, then so be it. We'll get over it and survive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 17, 2012, 10:42:18 AM: That band was just resting on his arm...

I know what you mean though, he was only captain out of circumstance. Collins had left, Dunne and Gabby injured and Stan's situation. He was 5th choice a few months prior.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on October 17, 2012, 11:29:42 AM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 17, 2012, 10:42:18 AM
That band was just resting on his arm...

I know what you mean though, he was only captain out of circumstance. Collins had left, Dunne and Gabby injured and Stan's situation. He was 5th choice a few months prior.

Eaxactly. I think Lambert even said at the time it was a temporary measure........?

As for selling him, it'd be a mistake in my opinion. However, if we do we just need to re-invest the money wisely and move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 17, 2012, 11:51:34 AM: The thing is if we play him, he'll score his fair share of goals like he always has done. That in turn will help us pick up points and move us up the table. That also in turn will take pressure off the likes of Benteke and help them settle in and we can then give the likes of Bowery the odd game here and there and develop them quicker. It's simple really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on October 17, 2012, 12:14:26 PM: sell em all !! start again in the Brummy AFA Div 117
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 18, 2012, 12:01:24 AM: Quote from: paul_e on October 16, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
First thing - There is no conspiracy in why Bent hasn't started the last 2. Before then he'd scored 1 in 5 and looked a little out of form, Benteke came on against Swansea and played well and carried his form on against Man City and was given the nod to start on the back of that. For years we've been crying out for players who are in form to get a run of games, it happens and we get people posting conspiracy theories about trying to sell the players who are replaced.

Second - Bent's goalscoring record at tottenham - this is often quoted as proof that he's not all that and can't do it at a good club. In all competitions he had 41 starts and 38 subs appearances, with the starts very rarely being in a run of games. he scored 24 goals in that times, not a ground breaking record but not proof that he is incapable of palying in a decent side and if you look at the 2nd season on it's own you get 28 starts, 17 subs and 17 goals. That's a good record for anyone other than the very top players in the league, and saw him finish as top scorer for a club who had Defoe, Keane and Pavlyuchneko as the other options. So the reality is he had 1 poor season, directly after becoming one of the most expensive players in the country, I'd suggest it was pressure of expectation rather than ability that caused the problems.

Finally the idea that teams play better without him is a myth. The stats have been presented above, we're a better team with him since he joined, the idea that selling him to buy a midfielder or 2 would improve us is hugely risky.

The following numbers represent Spurs' points total in recent years, see if you can guess which seasons Bent was at Tottenham:
52 65 60 46 51 70 62 69
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 12:29:24 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 18, 2012, 12:01:24 AM
The following numbers represent Spurs' points total in recent years, see if you can guess which seasons Bent was at Tottenham:
52 65 60 46 51 70 62 69
Both seasons that he was there they made shocking starts which resulted in their managers getting sacked. Are you really blaming that all on Bent?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on October 18, 2012, 09:09:44 AM: Quote from: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 18, 2012, 12:01:24 AM
The following numbers represent Spurs' points total in recent years, see if you can guess which seasons Bent was at Tottenham:
52 65 60 46 51 70 62 69
Both seasons that he was there they made shocking starts which resulted in their managers getting sacked. Are you really blaming that all on Bent?

He also only started about half of the league games played in those 2 years, maybe if he'd played more they'd have more points?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on October 18, 2012, 12:38:25 PM: If we signed Bent when we signed Heskey he would have been that final piece of the jigsaw imo, albeit we needed one or two extra bods in the squad at the time. With Milner, Young, Downing, Petrov etc around him he would have fluorished. Perhaps there is an argument to say though that now we have nowhere near as much quality in the team as 3/4 years ago that we do need forwards that have an all round game that is better than Bents to make up for our deficiencies elsewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 07:33:14 PM: Quote from: paul_e on October 18, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 18, 2012, 12:01:24 AM
The following numbers represent Spurs' points total in recent years, see if you can guess which seasons Bent was at Tottenham:
52 65 60 46 51 70 62 69
Both seasons that he was there they made shocking starts which resulted in their managers getting sacked. Are you really blaming that all on Bent?

He also only started about half of the league games played in those 2 years, maybe if he'd played more they'd have more points?
Probably, considering that he still had a good strike rate when he did start for them. He was their top scorer in their first season I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on October 18, 2012, 10:39:40 PM: Sound like we need to find a man to link up with KEA, Ireland and Holman (and like of Bannan, Albrighton and co)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2012, 12:51:06 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on October 18, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
Sound like we need to find a man to link up with KEA, Ireland and Holman (and like of Bannan, Albrighton and co)

I personally think that we need someone who can just sit in behind those type of players and give them a bit freedom to go forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on October 19, 2012, 12:54:32 PM: Hitzlsperger has signed for Everton til Jan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on October 19, 2012, 04:58:25 PM: That will be one hell of a cosmopolitan accent then, I'll look forward to hearing it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on October 19, 2012, 05:13:06 PM: I think we got the best years out of Hitz (after watching the 2003-4 highlights in the Villa Memories) he was very useful for us back then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 19, 2012, 05:56:14 PM: Stuttgart and the German national side might disagree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on October 19, 2012, 06:00:19 PM: We need to pick up a couple of central players to try and begin to fill the void left by Milner and Barry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 20, 2012, 07:25:32 AM: Quote from: Ads on October 19, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
We need to pick up a couple of central players to try and begin to fill the void left by Milner and Barry.
And Petrov...and we haven't even filled the void left by Nigel Reo Coker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 20, 2012, 09:14:36 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on October 19, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Hitzlsperger has signed for Everton til Jan

Would have been good to see him back at VP.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 20, 2012, 10:02:58 AM: Quote from: Ads on October 19, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
We need to pick up a couple of central players to try and begin to fill the void left by Milner and Barry.

Gareth Barry was probably the best player we have had over the last 10/12 years, he was class, and still is

to replace him would cost 20-30 million minimum and a player of that equal quality wont come to Villa, so we have to buy the sort of players we have done and hope they progress and develop to become the Gareth Barry's of the future
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on October 20, 2012, 10:12:40 AM: How much did Barry cost us again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 20, 2012, 10:17:38 AM: Quote from: Ads on October 20, 2012, 10:12:40 AM
How much did Barry cost us again?

thats exactly my point, we bought him for his potential, we cant replace the likes of Barry, Milner, Young for like for like players we have to buy potential as we did in there cases, which we have done with a few signings this season
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 20, 2012, 10:41:15 AM: Rumours abound that Hernandez may be out of United come January. IF we lost Bent would be an interesting acquisition.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 20, 2012, 12:09:31 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on October 20, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
Rumours abound that Hernandez may be out of United come January. IF we lost Bent would be an interesting acquisition.

has looked rubbish this year .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 20, 2012, 01:08:03 PM: 4 games a goal and an assist. He's hardly had a look in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 20, 2012, 01:21:27 PM: Hernandez would do thank you very much.
He would be great at our place, if Bent does go.
Wages, again, would be a stumbling block i think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 20, 2012, 06:47:13 PM: If people think we are going to spend in January and get a big name to save us like we did with Bent they are very much mistaken.

Who will join us? When we signed Bent we were a top 6 team that had lost our manager and were struggling abit.

Now we are a poor team with poor players, with a seemingly clueless owner and look like being relegated.

I am quite worried, a lot more than I was last year, Paul Lambert looks like he hasn't got a clue, he can't decide on team selection or formation and the inconsistently is affecting us.

Hopefully it's in Lambert we trust.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on October 20, 2012, 09:31:54 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on October 20, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
Rumours abound that Hernandez may be out of United come January. IF we lost Bent would be an interesting acquisition.
i guess he would run down the M6 to join us ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 21, 2012, 09:53:26 AM: Could do worse than try and tempt Gareth Barry back to villa, ok he lacks pace but he's an experienced head in midfield with a decent pass on him and although a squad player now at city he's far better than any midfielder we have at the moment.

His experience could be valuable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2012, 11:40:12 AM: Gareth Barry was the best player in last seasons title winning side.

We need his quality, but the custard pants wearer wont be coming back.

We'll sign some fantastic, but little known German based midfielders. Hopefully.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VWBelgian on October 21, 2012, 12:34:15 PM: M'vila would have been a good addition last season... or i would have jean II a chance but he's off to stade rennes i've read.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on October 21, 2012, 02:26:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 21, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
Could do worse than try and tempt Gareth Barry back to villa, ok he lacks pace but he's an experienced head in midfield with a decent pass on him and although a squad player now at city he's far better than any midfielder we have at the moment.

His experience could be valuable.

Barry not going leave playing regularly for a champion chasing team to play for us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on October 21, 2012, 03:02:27 PM: Hernandez and Barry?! Have you been asleep as our wages bill is slashed to nothing??!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 21, 2012, 04:42:31 PM: Barry back to Villa? Haha.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 21, 2012, 08:14:33 PM: We need width, Matt Phillips, Tom Ince or a Nathan Dyer, all are possible because even with our controlled wage bill we will pay more than Swansea and Ince would continue to play every week so would have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2012, 08:52:29 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on October 21, 2012, 02:26:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 21, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
Could do worse than try and tempt Gareth Barry back to villa, ok he lacks pace but he's an experienced head in midfield with a decent pass on him and although a squad player now at city he's far better than any midfielder we have at the moment.

His experience could be valuable.

Barry not going leave playing regularly for a champion chasing team to play for us

You forgot to add "where he's paid £100,000 a week" in your post!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 21, 2012, 08:58:15 PM: Like the look of Phillips. But it concerned me a while back that Lambert said he doesn't think there is a place for wingers in the modern game any more. An over-reliance on wingers would - I agree- be far from ideal. And that's maybe something we've suffered from in the past. But now it seems we've gone too far the other way.

Rather than the current tactics owing to a 'make do and mend' situation, it very much seems to be a part of his new philosophy- and marks a departure from his set up at Norwich, when Pilkington was a big player for him.

I could wear the current narrowness of our midfield if I thought it was a temporary situation, or if our fullbacks were so good going forward that we could get away with it.

I also thought he was a bit more tactically astute/ versatile, ie: some games would be played with wingers/second strikers and some without- depending on how the opposition line up.

The personnel has changed quite often game to game, but over-reliance on this rigid diamond system has been consistent. And it hasn't served us particularly well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM: Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on October 22, 2012, 12:58:34 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

It's October, it's more compost than shit. Being in the shit is when we are a few points or worse above relegation come end Feb.

If things are not going so well right now it is not because we have bought championship players, but because we have had to all but go out and get a new team.

I wouldn't argue with any one or all of Lambert's acquisitions to date. I don't think we have reached or are anywhere near the point where we have to revert to buying clapped out misfits.

Having said that I don't think wingers should be top of the list either. We need midfielders. I don't really care where they come from provided they want to play for the club rather than merely be on the payroll and are good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 22, 2012, 11:26:36 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

I can't see many quality players from other Premier League clubs wanting to join us at the minute to be honest, especially as we are no longer throwing stupid money around on wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2012, 11:30:27 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on October 22, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

I can't see many quality players from other Premier League clubs wanting to join us at the minute to be honest, especially as we are no longer throwing stupid money around on wages.

We are still Aston Villa and despite our recent poor run still a damn site more attractive than most clubs in the division. Look at the other clubs in this division outside the top 5 or 6 and they all have one or two very good players or players with a decent established reputation that have joined them for one reason or another. Off course PL players will want to join us, just not the ones at the very top.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on October 22, 2012, 11:33:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 21, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
Could do worse than try and tempt Gareth Barry back to villa, ok he lacks pace but he's an experienced head in midfield with a decent pass on him and although a squad player now at city he's far better than any midfielder we have at the moment.

His experience could be valuable.

Naaaaaah.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 22, 2012, 11:43:29 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

The fact that the players started out in the Championship doesn't automatically mean that's their level.

See Walcott, Bale, Huddlestone and countless many others.

But by the same token, packing a squad out with jobbing Championship or League One players is hardly a recipe for success either.

On the specific merits of Matt Phillips, I've seen enough of him to think he'd be worth taking a gamble on. Plus it's easier for a team to carry an occasionally inconsistent winger or front player than it is a full back, centre back or central midfielder.

The players we've signed from the Championship and lower don't -to date- look like they were playing in a league below their talents. And they didn't exactly have a whole host of top flight clubs beating a path to their door. Most of us were happy enough with the arrival of Lambert though (not my first choice, I have to admit) so he at least deserves the breathing space to shape the side as he sees fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 23, 2012, 10:00:35 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 22, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on October 22, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

I can't see many quality players from other Premier League clubs wanting to join us at the minute to be honest, especially as we are no longer throwing stupid money around on wages.

We are still Aston Villa and despite our recent poor run still a damn site more attractive than most clubs in the division. Look at the other clubs in this division outside the top 5 or 6 and they all have one or two very good players or players with a decent established reputation that have joined them for one reason or another. Off course PL players will want to join us, just not the ones at the very top.

Being Aston Villa was all good when we signed Bent, but now, if you was an outsider would you be jumping at the chance to join Villa?

Our reputation and perception from others has absolutely plummeted, we have been a shambles since Martin left. We are just starting to steady the ship under Paul Lambert, but it looks like being a very rocky road this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2012, 10:49:03 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 26, 1970, 12:40:38 AM

Being Aston Villa was all good when we signed Bent, but now, if you was an outsider would you be jumping at the chance to join Villa?

Our reputation and perception from others has absolutely plummeted, we have been a shambles since Martin left. We are just starting to steady the ship under Paul Lambert, but it looks like being a very rocky road this season.
Remind me again when did we sign Bent? 1910? 1957? 1981? Or about a year and half ago?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 23, 2012, 11:10:26 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on October 22, 2012, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

The fact that the players started out in the Championship doesn't automatically mean that's their level.

See Walcott, Bale, Huddlestone and countless many others.

But by the same token, packing a squad out with jobbing Championship or League One players is hardly a recipe for success either.

On the specific merits of Matt Phillips, I've seen enough of him to think he'd be worth taking a gamble on. Plus it's easier for a team to carry an occasionally inconsistent winger or front player than it is a full back, centre back or central midfielder.

The players we've signed from the Championship and lower don't -to date- look like they were playing in a league below their talents. And they didn't exactly have a whole host of top flight clubs beating a path to their door. Most of us were happy enough with the arrival of Lambert though (not my first choice, I have to admit) so he at least deserves the breathing space to shape the side as he sees fit.

I wasn't discounting the idea of buying Championship per se, but it seems everyone is so up in arms about us not buying quality and then we have others suggesting the solution is to look for the better players of that league as a solution. Lambert didn't go looking for slightly good lower league players, he went out and bought the best ones he saw fit with the money he had available. I can imagine the cries of despair if his answer come January is to try the same thing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on October 23, 2012, 11:22:59 PM: No need to worry when Barry, Milner and Fernandez have signed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on October 24, 2012, 11:25:00 AM: I would like us to sign Matt Phillips I think he would be good for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 24, 2012, 11:48:33 AM: I would like us to sign Andres Iniesta I think he would be good for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on October 24, 2012, 11:50:22 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on October 23, 2012, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 26, 1970, 12:40:38 AM

Being Aston Villa was all good when we signed Bent, but now, if you was an outsider would you be jumping at the chance to join Villa?

Our reputation and perception from others has absolutely plummeted, we have been a shambles since Martin left. We are just starting to steady the ship under Paul Lambert, but it looks like being a very rocky road this season.
Remind me again when did we sign Bent? 1910? 1957? 1981? Or about a year and half ago?

When we signed Bent we had a team that had just finished 6th, but had lost its manager and had horrendous injuries.
Now we are a poor team, with average players, so yes it was a year and a half ago but as I said, our reputation is massively different/worse than it was when we signed Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM: When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2012, 12:37:07 PM: I would literally bite someone's* leg off for ninth place this season.

*Preferably a lamb or a chicken.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on October 24, 2012, 01:20:26 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 24, 2012, 12:37:07 PM
I would literally bite someone's* leg off for ninth place this season.

*Preferably a lamb or a chicken.

I think a 1 in front of that final position is not out of the question.

I can't see anybody amongst this current squad, capable of digging in.

Worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM: Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2012, 02:28:16 PM: Quote from: Shrek on October 23, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on October 22, 2012, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on October 22, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 21, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Let me get this straight - we bemoan the fact we're in the shit because we've bought Championship players, so the solution is to go out and buy players from the Championship?

I can't see many quality players from other Premier League clubs wanting to join us at the minute to be honest, especially as we are no longer throwing stupid money around on wages.

We are still Aston Villa and despite our recent poor run still a damn site more attractive than most clubs in the division. Look at the other clubs in this division outside the top 5 or 6 and they all have one or two very good players or players with a decent established reputation that have joined them for one reason or another. Off course PL players will want to join us, just not the ones at the very top.

Being Aston Villa was all good when we signed Bent, but now, if you was an outsider would you be jumping at the chance to join Villa?

Our reputation and perception from others has absolutely plummeted, we have been a shambles since Martin left. We are just starting to steady the ship under Paul Lambert, but it looks like being a very rocky road this season.

You are looking at the situation like a fan of the club. Firstly, we peer into the club with far more scrutiny than anyone else. Most most fans of other clubs don't really care about Villa. We might think they do, but they really only care about their club. Just like we know next to nothing about the deeper issues at clubs like Stoke, Everton, Sunderland etc. And when it comes to players, for the most part the great majority of players don't care either. That's why players like Anelka can join Bolton back in the day, or even Darren Bent when he joined Steve Bruce's mid table Sunderland team or us for that matter. The very top players are a lot more fussy about where they go because they can be. Even if we had all the money Messi isn't coming. Just like Man City got and are still turned down by the true elite of the game despite offering the earth.

We are a PL that still has a tremendous standing in the game, a huge fan base, great stadium and is still a big draw for the great majority of players. We've had two poor years on the back of some good ones in front of full houses and media attention that helped a number of players attain England recognition. There is lots and lots of upside in joining and doing well with Aston Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 02:30:27 PM: We were something like three points off the bottom of the league after losing at home to Wolves mid>late March. Any season when you are that far down the league that late into the season can safely be described as a season of struggle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:47:45 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.

We had some luck too. We played Arsenal at a good time. They'd been struggling with their form a little and with naff all to play for had pretty much half a mind on their hols. Liverpool were just typically inconsistent, and again, we caught them on a day well below par. That 9th placing really masks how poor we were for most of the season. We were by no means worthy of a mid-table finish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:50:11 PM: Our midfield needs 2-3 quality additions, and amongst that, some experience and leadership. We're so poor in midfield right now. It's almost to the point that GT's midfield with players like Leonhardsen and Kinsella looks quite good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 02:50:57 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 02:30:27 PM
We were something like three points off the bottom of the league after losing at home to Wolves mid>late March. Any season when you are that far down the league that late into the season can safely be described as a season of struggle.

And we only lost 4 of the last 17 games. Which is why we finished 9th.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:06:05 PM: Quote from: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.

We had some luck too. We played Arsenal at a good time. They'd been struggling with their form a little and with naff all to play for had pretty much half a mind on their hols. Liverpool were just typically inconsistent, and again, we caught them on a day well below par. That 9th placing really masks how poor we were for most of the season. We were by no means worthy of a mid-table finish.

Quote from: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.

We had some luck too. We played Arsenal at a good time. They'd been struggling with their form a little and with naff all to play for had pretty much half a mind on their hols. Liverpool were just typically inconsistent, and again, we caught them on a day well below par. That 9th placing really masks how poor we were for most of the season. We were by no means worthy of a mid-table finish.

One manager walking out days before the season started, another being taken seriously ill and more injuries than a motorway pile-up yet we were lucky. We must have the only supporters in history who moan that we shouldn't finish as high as we do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2012, 03:15:43 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.

We had some luck too. We played Arsenal at a good time. They'd been struggling with their form a little and with naff all to play for had pretty much half a mind on their hols. Liverpool were just typically inconsistent, and again, we caught them on a day well below par. That 9th placing really masks how poor we were for most of the season. We were by no means worthy of a mid-table finish.

Quote from: supertom on October 24, 2012, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on October 24, 2012, 12:25:24 PM
When we signed Bent we were in a similar league position to what we are now, but that was January, it's only October now, so I would say we were in a worse position then than now. Finishing 9th under Houllier/GMac felt like an awful time, following relative success of previous years, I'd bite someone's arms off for 9th this year however.

I keep getting into rows with Dave about this but we finished ninth but we weren't ninth until the last game of the season. With three or four games remaining we were still looking over our shoulders at the trap door given that our last two games were Liverpool and Arsenal. That was by and large a season of struggle up until April when it clicked just in time.

We had some luck too. We played Arsenal at a good time. They'd been struggling with their form a little and with naff all to play for had pretty much half a mind on their hols. Liverpool were just typically inconsistent, and again, we caught them on a day well below par. That 9th placing really masks how poor we were for most of the season. We were by no means worthy of a mid-table finish.

One manager walking out days before the season started, another being taken seriously ill and more injuries than a motorway pile-up yet we were lucky. We must have the only supporters in history who moan that we shouldn't finish as high as we do.

throw in a few punch ups and it's actually quite the acheievement that we managed to finish where we did that season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 03:22:35 PM: I'm not moaning, I was thrilled we got 9th that year! Thrilled!

Just saying it wasn't a great season and we were in a real scrap for survival until quite late on. It is the only season where I found myself stunned that we had finished that high. At the time it seemed a minor miracle we crept into the top half after beating Arsenal and Liverpool.

I just feel it isn't correct to portray 10/11 as a fine season where we had nothing to worry about and that it was followed by a season which was but a temporary blip.

I wouldn't fall out with somebody over it though, it's just a difference in interpretation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:29:32 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
I'm not moaning, I was thrilled we got 9th that year! Thrilled!

Just saying it wasn't a great season and we were in a real scrap for survival until quite late on. It is the only season where I found myself stunned that we had finished that high. At the time it seemed a minor miracle we crept into the top half after beating Arsenal and Liverpool.

I just feel it isn't correct to portray 10/11 as a fine season where we had nothing to worry about and that it was followed by a season which was but a temporary blip.

Nobody has ever said it was fine. I would say that under the circumstances it was the best we could have expected. My gripe is when people say that we didn't 'deserve' to finish where we did and believe that for some reason we were lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 03:35:53 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on October 24, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
I'm not moaning, I was thrilled we got 9th that year! Thrilled!

Just saying it wasn't a great season and we were in a real scrap for survival until quite late on. It is the only season where I found myself stunned that we had finished that high. At the time it seemed a minor miracle we crept into the top half after beating Arsenal and Liverpool.

I just feel it isn't correct to portray 10/11 as a fine season where we had nothing to worry about and that it was followed by a season which was but a temporary blip.

Nobody has ever said it was fine. I would say that under the circumstances it was the best we could have expected. My gripe is when people say that we didn't 'deserve' to finish where we did and believe that for some reason we were lucky.

Sorry, I had just edited my previous comment as you posted yours. As I say, it is simply a difference in interpretation and we did deserve to finish 9th, the table doesn't lie. We played well in the last two games but then sold our two creative players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on October 24, 2012, 05:09:13 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:06:05 PM

One manager walking out days before the season started, another being taken seriously ill and more injuries than a motorway pile-up yet we were lucky. We must have the only supporters in history who moan that we shouldn't finish as high as we do.

there was a guy on the WM phone in either last night or the night before offering excuses for the points that we have won this season - apparently Swansea were in turmoil when we beat them and Newcastle had a hard European trip just days before - unreal!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 24, 2012, 05:15:05 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Nobody has ever said it was fine. I would say that under the circumstances it was the best we could have expected. My gripe is when people say that we didn't 'deserve' to finish where we did and believe that for some reason we were lucky.
9th was certainly better than most had been expecting for the majority of the season. My gripe is that simply saying we finished 9th doesn't tell the whole story of the season. For much of the time we were well below 9th and I don't think it's unfair to say that an unexpected set of circumstances on the final day boosted us up the table right at the most opportune moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2012, 05:15:34 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 02:50:57 PM

And we only lost 4 of the last 17 games. Which is why we finished 9th.

We lost 6 out of the 8 before those 17 though! ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 06:20:53 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on October 24, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 02:50:57 PM

And we only lost 4 of the last 17 games. Which is why we finished 9th.

We lost 6 out of the 8 before those 17 though! ;)

Indeed, which why we finished 9th. A reasonable(ish) start, a few months of pretty much wank and a more than decent finish. We deserved to be 9th and didn't have a season long struggle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 06:41:54 PM: In your opinion.

It sure felt like a struggle for most of that season. Or did we all just imagine the anxiety around the place around the time of the Wolves, Newcastle and Wigan home matches?

GH even mentioned the 'r' word as part of the reason for his game throwning antics at Man Citeh, so with respect, you're talking shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 07:04:37 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
In your opinion.

It sure felt like a struggle for most of that season. Or did we all just imagine the anxiety around the place around the time of the Wolves, Newcastle and Wigan home matches?

GH even mentioned the 'r' word as part of the reason for his game throwning antics at Man Citeh, so with respect, you're talking shite.

Just because I and many others see the season in a different way to you doesn't make us wrong or "talking shite". We had a spell of a couple of months where things looked very dodgy. That is not the same as a season long struggle.

Out of interest, which part of "A reasonable(ish) start, a few months of pretty much wank and a more than decent finish. We deserved to be 9th" is incorrect?

And as an aside, i'm starting to get tired of us asking people that when having a debate/discussion, to do so without insults. There's been enough mentions of this over the past week on various threads that everyone should have noticed. So please, debate and disagree as much as you want, but do so respectfully as we'd hate to start sending folks on their holidays.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 24, 2012, 07:34:54 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on October 24, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
One manager walking out days before the season started, another being taken seriously ill and more injuries than a motorway pile-up yet we were lucky. We must have the only supporters in history who moan that we shouldn't finish as high as we do.
Appointing a manager with a history of serious health problems and then losing him to serious health problems wasn't bad luck. It was a high risk gamble that shouldn't have been taken in the first place. Neither was O'Neill's departure bad luck, in the sense that it wasn't an unavoidable chance event. These are all management / judgement issues and indicative of how things have been over the last two years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 08:18:40 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
In your opinion.

It sure felt like a struggle for most of that season. Or did we all just imagine the anxiety around the place around the time of the Wolves, Newcastle and Wigan home matches?

GH even mentioned the 'r' word as part of the reason for his game throwning antics at Man Citeh, so with respect, you're talking shite.

Just because I and many others see the season in a different way to you doesn't make us wrong or "talking shite". We had a spell of a couple of months where things looked very dodgy. That is not the same as a season long struggle.

Out of interest, which part of "A reasonable(ish) start, a few months of pretty much wank and a more than decent finish. We deserved to be 9th" is incorrect?

And as an aside, i'm starting to get tired of us asking people that when having a debate/discussion, to do so without insults. There's been enough mentions of this over the past week on various threads that everyone should have noticed. So please, debate and disagree as much as you want, but do so respectfully as we'd hate to start sending folks on their holidays.

Get over yourself, you big girl.

It was you passing your opinion of as fact I had an issue with, not you personally.

As for that season, I remember it as a largely indifferent/shite start to the campaign (where throwing away leads and conceding from set pieces became de rigueur) a brutally bad 4/5 months between Nov-April and a final flourish that offered promise for 2011/12. Little did we know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2012, 08:33:09 PM: He's not talking 'shite', it's his opinion which he is entitled to as you are to yours. Please keep it civil.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on October 24, 2012, 08:42:59 PM: The season you're talking about really highlighted Petrov's influence to me. We really struggled without him and once he was back, there was a huge upswing in our form for the rest of the season. In hindsight, we would been much better off giving Gary Mac the job for a season once Martinez turned us down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 24, 2012, 08:43:11 PM: I seem to recall it wasn't really until Gabby scored in injury time against Wet Spam that we actually breathed a sigh of relief, and in true Villa style missed the opportunity to make it safe against Wigan by being crap and coming away with a draw. We were practically safe but not mathematically when we came up against Arsenal and then upset the odds by winning when we only needed a point.

I know what people mean when they question whether we 'deserved' 9th. Well, I tend to think that some of our performances were overlooked in the general melee of turmoil under McDonald, Houllier and McAllister. We rooted out good wins against Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool, were sublime (for at least some of the match) against Man Yoo, we won two local derbies, won twice in the capital and clawed that point from Stamford Bridge on New Year's Day. There were a lot of forgettable draws and poisonous atmosphere when we played Sunderland at home but for sheer doggedness alone we deserved what we ended up with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 08:48:00 PM: Any season that sees fans calling for the managers head on three separate occasions, has us labelled as a crisis club by local and national media and has the threat of relegation hanging over us until the penultimate weekend of the campaign might reasonably be described as a season of struggle.

PWS disagrees. Many more seem to agree. Fine, vive le difference.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on October 24, 2012, 08:50:38 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on October 24, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
Any season that sees fans calling for the managers head on three separate occasions, has us labelled as a crisis club by local and national media and has the threat of relegation hanging over us until the penultimate weekend of the campaign might reasonably be described as a season of struggle.

PWS disagrees. Many more seem to agree. Fine, vive le difference.

Exactly. Your opinion against his. I think you're better and far more articulate than resorting to using phrases such as 'Talking shite' and 'Big girl'. That's all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 24, 2012, 08:56:30 PM: I'd also say as regards 10/11 that I was so determined to forget the whole damn thing that I booked a week away starting the Monday directly after the Liverpool home game. It wasn't the only reason why I wanted to have a break from things, but it was a big factor.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 09:05:02 PM: I reckon 10/11 is deemed worse than it was because there were a few spectacularly crap performances. Liverpool (a), City in the cup, Wolves and Sunderland at home. Things like that tend to stick in the memory. Apart from those it was pretty much the kind of season you get from a side that finishes mid-table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 24, 2012, 09:06:29 PM: Anyway, back on topic, it's only from Talkshite but may as well get a mention.

Quote
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert could return to Germany to sign Stuttgart midfielder William Kvist in January.
Lambert played in Germany, where he won a Champions League medal with Borussia Dortmund in 1997, and is now lining up a raid on the Bundesliga to land Kvist.
The Denmark international has played eight Bundesliga matches for Stuttgart this season, after making 33 league appearances last term.
Villa have targeted the 27-year-old having suffered a slow start to the campaign, with Lambert's side currently sitting just one point outside the Premier League relegation zone.
Kvist, who is under contract until June 2016, is valued at around £6million and Italian club Chievo are also eyeing a move, according to German paper Kicker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 25, 2012, 08:35:41 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 24, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
I seem to recall it wasn't really until Gabby scored in injury time against Wet Spam that we actually breathed a sigh of relief, and in true Villa style missed the opportunity to make it safe against Wigan by being crap and coming away with a draw. We were practically safe but not mathematically when we came up against Arsenal and then upset the odds by winning when we only needed a point.

I know what people mean when they question whether we 'deserved' 9th. Well, I tend to think that some of our performances were overlooked in the general melee of turmoil under McDonald, Houllier and McAllister. We rooted out good wins against Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool, were sublime (for at least some of the match) against Man Yoo, we won two local derbies, won twice in the capital and clawed that point from Stamford Bridge on New Year's Day. There were a lot of forgettable draws and poisonous atmosphere when we played Sunderland at home but for sheer doggedness alone we deserved what we ended up with.
And - compared with the following season - I'd have taken your arm off for this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 25, 2012, 11:24:00 AM: Quote from: Mister E on October 25, 2012, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 24, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
I seem to recall it wasn't really until Gabby scored in injury time against Wet Spam that we actually breathed a sigh of relief, and in true Villa style missed the opportunity to make it safe against Wigan by being crap and coming away with a draw. We were practically safe but not mathematically when we came up against Arsenal and then upset the odds by winning when we only needed a point.

I know what people mean when they question whether we 'deserved' 9th. Well, I tend to think that some of our performances were overlooked in the general melee of turmoil under McDonald, Houllier and McAllister. We rooted out good wins against Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool, were sublime (for at least some of the match) against Man Yoo, we won two local derbies, won twice in the capital and clawed that point from Stamford Bridge on New Year's Day. There were a lot of forgettable draws and poisonous atmosphere when we played Sunderland at home but for sheer doggedness alone we deserved what we ended up with.
And - compared with the following season - I'd have taken your arm off for this.

You forgot Man. City in your list of good rooted out wins!! That season should have served as a warning. We had injuries to key players in the build up up to and just after Christmas, and dropped into the relegation zone as result. Our results picked up after we signed Bent, the injured players returned and the quality players we did have (Downing and Young) found form. I thought players like Petrov, Reo-Coker and Luke Young really came to the fore in the final few months of that season and their experience really told. I would argue that the side that finished the season were a top half team, but the side we fielded in the lead up to Christmas was poor. The warning from that season was not to rely too heavily on those that featured during the slide down the table, yet that is exactly what we did the following season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 25, 2012, 11:27:07 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on October 25, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Quote from: Mister E on October 25, 2012, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on October 24, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
I seem to recall it wasn't really until Gabby scored in injury time against Wet Spam that we actually breathed a sigh of relief, and in true Villa style missed the opportunity to make it safe against Wigan by being crap and coming away with a draw. We were practically safe but not mathematically when we came up against Arsenal and then upset the odds by winning when we only needed a point.

I know what people mean when they question whether we 'deserved' 9th. Well, I tend to think that some of our performances were overlooked in the general melee of turmoil under McDonald, Houllier and McAllister. We rooted out good wins against Everton, Newcastle and Liverpool, were sublime (for at least some of the match) against Man Yoo, we won two local derbies, won twice in the capital and clawed that point from Stamford Bridge on New Year's Day. There were a lot of forgettable draws and poisonous atmosphere when we played Sunderland at home but for sheer doggedness alone we deserved what we ended up with.
And - compared with the following season - I'd have taken your arm off for this.

You forgot Man. City in your list of good rooted out wins!! That season should have served as a warning. We had injuries to key players in the build up up to and just after Christmas, and dropped into the relegation zone as result. Our results picked up after we signed Bent, the injured players returned and the quality players we did have (Downing and Young) found form. I thought players like Petrov, Reo-Coker and Luke Young really came to the fore in the final few months of that season and their experience really told. I would argue that the side that finished the season were a top half team, but the side we fielded in the lead up to Christmas was poor. The warning from that season was not to rely too heavily on those that featured during the slide down the table, yet that is exactly what we did the following season.

How could I have forgotten Man City?! Gah! There were also impressive wins against Blackburn in every competition, and we were all over them at Ewood until Pedersen scored that free-kick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 26, 2012, 05:56:43 AM: To get as high as 9th on 48 points doesn't happen too often in the EPL. We finished 11th on 50 in O Neills first season for example. I think as the teams below the top 6-7 seem to be getting shiter, that'll happen more though. And again, a couple of decent results in games that didn't really matter too much to the opposition, or even ourselves as we'd pretty secured safety, against Liverpool and Arsenal possibly just put a final rosy tint on how shite we were at times and how a lot of our players just didn't give close to 100% under Houllier. I think had we played Liverpool and Arsenal a month or two earlier than we did, they'd have tonked us both games. I'd have taken a 9th place finish happily after what happened when we lost Milner and the O Neill. But come the end of the season it wasn't remotely satisfying. Some of the games and the manner in which we just rolled over were appalling.

Still, that's two years ago now and I think the squads attitude and morale seems a lot better with PL. That will count for something (hopefully).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on October 27, 2012, 10:29:48 AM: Mikael Silvestre is on Soccer AM, lives 80 miles from Villa Park, has no club and is an ex international centre or full back. Could be handy until January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 27, 2012, 11:14:18 AM: Quote from: paulcomben on October 27, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
Mikael Silvestre is on Soccer AM, lives 80 miles from Villa Park, has no club and is an ex international centre or full back. Could be handy until January?

From what the Arsenal fans say about him, definitely no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on October 27, 2012, 08:37:23 PM: Bent out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on October 28, 2012, 02:00:30 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on October 27, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Bent out.

That can be painful and phsyiotherapy or a minor operation may be required to bend it back in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 28, 2012, 04:10:02 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on October 27, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on October 27, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
Mikael Silvestre is on Soccer AM, lives 80 miles from Villa Park, has no club and is an ex international centre or full back. Could be handy until January?

From what the Arsenal fans say about him, definitely no.

Always do the exact opposite of what an Arsenal fan says.

To be honest I'd be tempted to bring in 1-2 experienced players. Not neccesarily Silvestre, though he's actually better than what we have (or was better). Think he's probably a busted flush now.
But...
I'd bring in...
wait for it...
Nigel...
Reo...
Coker!!!!
Let shooting commence.
Seriously, we need more commitment. More players like Holman, as Coker is. Always gives 110 and we're sorely lacking in midfield experience. He's better than Bannan and Delph, not technically, but in what he does well he's got more strengths for this level.

EDIT- Fuck, he's got himself a club. Put down the rifles.
Carew's a free agent! ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:12:02 AM: I think we will see Bent go in January and whatever we get for him being used to get our midfield enforcer and playmaker, but I think Bent will only fetch about 8 mill, so those two requirements will come from that, RL may allow a bit for a steady defender but again I am not holding my breathe, I dont see the money being poured out this time and come May I think we may get what 4 years of bad management from both the board and the incumbent manager at those times. My god I hope I am wrong, but a horrible feeling I wont be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:15:17 AM: The other scary thing is, even if we spent about 40 mill on getting 2 or 3 proven players in, I still believe the best we would be is a mid table team, alot better than where we are now, but how the mighty have fallen Proud History Not so bright Future.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on October 28, 2012, 08:25:32 AM: We are missing quality out wide something shocking. We have no-one to create chances for our strikers. I reckon we could do a lot worse than bring back Peter Whittingham. Very surprised he is still at Cardiff. Any of Bannan, Albrighton or Delph could be used to trade.

Andy Reid too seems to be back to his best. Set up a load of goals for Bent at Sunderland. Ive always been a fan of the tubby one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:36:08 AM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:12:02 AM
I think we will see Bent go in January and whatever we get for him being used to get our midfield enforcer and playmaker, but I think Bent will only fetch about 8 mill, so those two requirements will come from that, RL may allow a bit for a steady defender but again I am not holding my breathe, I dont see the money being poured out this time and come May I think we may get what 4 years of bad management from both the board and the incumbent manager at those times. My god I hope I am wrong, but a horrible feeling I wont be.

I think bent will go for more than £8m but dobt we would get much more than £12m for him- Liverpool may try and offload downing to raise cash if they want bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on October 28, 2012, 08:53:44 AM: Getting rid of Bent would be mental. If we create chances he will score them. He scored the goals that got us out of a relegation battle 2 years ago and will do it again . If we are to trade out a forward it should be Gabby
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 09:00:22 AM: Quote from: brontebilly on October 28, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
Getting rid of Bent would be mental. If we create chances he will score them. He scored the goals that got us out of a relegation battle 2 years ago and will do it again . If we are to trade out a forward it should be Gabby

I agree about bent but we are not playing to his strengths and I can't see lambert changing his style just to accommodate bent, I think he will be sold , as for gabby 28 games without a goal , he is hardly a saleable asset, who would want him?

With quality like young and downing bent would score a hatful, but we have no quality in those areas now and bent has no supply- sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on October 28, 2012, 09:03:04 AM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:12:02 AM
I think we will see Bent go in January and whatever we get for him being used to get our midfield enforcer and playmaker, but I think Bent will only fetch about 8 mill, so those two requirements will come from that, RL may allow a bit for a steady defender but again I am not holding my breathe, I dont see the money being poured out this time and come May I think we may get what 4 years of bad management from both the board and the incumbent manager at those times. My god I hope I am wrong, but a horrible feeling I wont be.

I think bent will go for more than £8m but dobt we would get much more than £12m for him- Liverpool may try and offload downing to raise cash if they want bent.

I've heard from a few places that, as always, he's got some mad buy out clauses in his contract. If that's true, they'll have to pay a lot more than £8 million for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 09:07:50 AM: Quote from: Chipsticks on October 28, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:12:02 AM
I think we will see Bent go in January and whatever we get for him being used to get our midfield enforcer and playmaker, but I think Bent will only fetch about 8 mill, so those two requirements will come from that, RL may allow a bit for a steady defender but again I am not holding my breathe, I dont see the money being poured out this time and come May I think we may get what 4 years of bad management from both the board and the incumbent manager at those times. My god I hope I am wrong, but a horrible feeling I wont be.

I think bent will go for more than £8m but dobt we would get much more than £12m for him- Liverpool may try and offload downing to raise cash if they want bent.

I've heard from a few places that, as always, he's got some mad buy out clauses in his contract. If that's true, they'll have to pay a lot more than £8 million for him.
Quote from: Chipsticks on October 28, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on October 28, 2012, 07:12:02 AM
I think we will see Bent go in January and whatever we get for him being used to get our midfield enforcer and playmaker, but I think Bent will only fetch about 8 mill, so those two requirements will come from that, RL may allow a bit for a steady defender but again I am not holding my breathe, I dont see the money being poured out this time and come May I think we may get what 4 years of bad management from both the board and the incumbent manager at those times. My god I hope I am wrong, but a horrible feeling I wont be.

I think bent will go for more than £8m but dobt we would get much more than £12m for him- Liverpool fmay try and offload downing to raise cash if they want bent.

I've heard from a few places that, as always, he's got some mad buy out clauses in his contract. If that's true, they'll have to pay a lot more than £8 million for him.

Depends on circumstances, if villa want to sell him then they will accept the going rate, if bent has £20m clause or whatever then nobody would be interested and we would be left with a player on the bench and little or no money to spend- £12m seems about the value I'd expect , maybe £15m if there's a bidding war, but I can't see it .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 28, 2012, 09:10:12 AM: if he has a buy out clause, it will be higher than the one we payed, or the whole thing would be daft
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 09:12:42 AM: Quote from: john e on October 28, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
if he has a buy out clause, it will be higher than the one we payed, or the whole thing would be daft

Exactly and who would be interested at £20m or so?

If villa want to sell however we would accept less than a buy out clause , the buy out clause is more for his benefit if villa didn't want to sell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on October 28, 2012, 01:43:03 PM: We need a serious ball winner in midfield.
We've got, KEA, Bannan, Ireland who can play and pass
But, we haven't got anyone who'll roll their sleeves up and do the sh*tty jobs. I'm not saying NRC or Essien, but that type of player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on October 28, 2012, 02:03:19 PM: We should have taken Reo Coker. Owen Hargreaves on a pay as you play and Tom Huddlestone on loan are my shouts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on October 28, 2012, 02:13:44 PM: What other team in the history of football would say 'Let's get rid of our best goalscorer in 30 years' rather than 'How do we help our goalscorer to score goals?' If Benteke is today's Withe and Bent is Shaw, where are Morley and Cowans?

The answer should be Nzogbia and Ireland, but they are mercenary gits who need telling that they will be rich until they die, but they only get one chance at achieving something in football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on October 28, 2012, 02:18:33 PM: is hargreaves still available? great shout that man (if he is) that could be just what the doc ordered
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 02:20:16 PM: Frimpong for me would be a good start, on loan anyway. Also what's the situation regarding Makoun?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on October 28, 2012, 02:22:48 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on October 28, 2012, 02:18:33 PM
is hargreaves still available? great shout that man (if he is) that could be just what the doc ordered

Huh? Has our physio demanded a permanent patient at a cost of £50k per week? I'm also no longer to play football and would be happy to oblige for a mere £49k.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 28, 2012, 02:32:57 PM: If we can possibly sell Hutton, N'Zog and Ireland then I'd do it in Jan. It might be a tough ask but we need decent players and raise as much cash as possible. We also need to sign level headed players. Consistent players. A few more with Holmans attitude and workrate would be good, as well as a couple of flair players.

I do think Bent will leave. Don't think he wants to stay, but we need as many goals from him this season as possible so a january sell would be foolish. Midfield is out major issue. It's causing our defence and attack too many problems.

Hargreaves just couldn't get a game for City, but I don't think he was injured?? I dunno, maybe there's still a problem. But on pay as you play I'd risk him.

Jenas on loan? I do remember what happened last time out, but surely it couldn't again? I think he'd offer something if (IF) we could get 10-15 games from him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john in oz on October 28, 2012, 02:56:02 PM: do we really need another goose
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on October 28, 2012, 03:36:48 PM: Hargreaves wasn't injured at City but couldn't get a game due to the class above him. He's still on a free,so should surely jump on a pay as you play with us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on October 28, 2012, 03:38:34 PM: Quote from: supertom on October 28, 2012, 02:32:57 PM
If we can possibly sell Hutton, N'Zog and Ireland then I'd do it in Jan. It might be a tough ask but we need decent players and raise as much cash as possible. We also need to sign level headed players. Consistent players. A few more with Holmans attitude and workrate would be good, as well as a couple of flair players.

I do think Bent will leave. Don't think he wants to stay, but we need as many goals from him this season as possible so a january sell would be foolish. Midfield is out major issue. It's causing our defence and attack too many problems.

Hargreaves just couldn't get a game for City, but I don't think he was injured?? I dunno, maybe there's still a problem. But on pay as you play I'd risk him.

Jenas on loan? I do remember what happened last time out, but surely it couldn't again? I think he'd offer something if (IF) we could get 10-15 games from him.

Jenas is at Forest on loan. Scored yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 03:39:54 PM: It makes you wonder why no other club have taken him since he left Man City. His fitness is either still suspect or he's asking for a fortune in wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:23:07 PM: Downing, huddlestone and phil neville- Neville would be a short term fix and almost went to qpr last season but they couldn't agree a fee , I believe they offered £1m while Everton wanted £3m- downing would provide creative width and is out of the team at pool and huddlestone is a powerful tackler with an eye for goal- we need experienced premier players and those 3 would be gettable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM: Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM: Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on October 28, 2012, 05:12:39 PM: We need three things in midfield, leadership and a pair of bollocks.

Downing can stay where he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:14:05 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Downing can fuck right off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 05:25:38 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Downing can fuck right off.

Ok he was player of the season and created loads in his last season here, far more creative than anything we have at the club but because of the way he left you'd rather we not have him back - I hope if we do go down that your not moaning then about not signing anyone creative.

I hated the way he left and yes he isn't a tackler but boy can he cross a ball and knock long accurate passes and I would take him back if it meant improving our chances of survival.

Downing, huddlestone and Neville would provide enough to keep us up I believe- do you have any suggestions ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:42:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Downing can fuck right off.

Ok he was player of the season and created loads in his last season here, far more creative than anything we have at the club but because of the way he left you'd rather we not have him back - I hope if we do go down that your not moaning then about not signing anyone creative.

I hated the way he left and yes he isn't a tackler but boy can he cross a ball and knock long accurate passes and I would take him back if it meant improving our chances of survival.

Downing, huddlestone and Neville would provide enough to keep us up I believe- do you have any suggestions ?
You say we need grafters and you want Downing?
He couldn't tackle a 5 years old without wincing in pain.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:03:15 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Downing can fuck right off.

Ok he was player of the season and created loads in his last season here, far more creative than anything we have at the club but because of the way he left you'd rather we not have him back - I hope if we do go down that your not moaning then about not signing anyone creative.

I hated the way he left and yes he isn't a tackler but boy can he cross a ball and knock long accurate passes and I would take him back if it meant improving our chances of survival.

Downing, huddlestone and Neville would provide enough to keep us up I believe- do you have any suggestions ?
You say we need grafters and you want Downing?
He couldn't tackle a 5 years old without wincing in pain.

I've named 3 players that I'd go for - downing wouldn't be bought in to tackle but to create, huddlestone and Neville can tackle and add experience and steel- the question was choose 3 players who would improve us and be gettable - have you 3 names ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 06:23:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on October 28, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Mister E on October 28, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
Downing? Jenas? - we need grafters, not prima donnas.

Downing created shedloads in his last season here- Liverpool is too big for him but here he would be an ideal supply for benteke . I know his leaving left a bad taste but survival is imperative.
Downing can fuck right off.

Ok he was player of the season and created loads in his last season here, far more creative than anything we have at the club but because of the way he left you'd rather we not have him back - I hope if we do go down that your not moaning then about not signing anyone creative.

I hated the way he left and yes he isn't a tackler but boy can he cross a ball and knock long accurate passes and I would take him back if it meant improving our chances of survival.

Downing, huddlestone and Neville would provide enough to keep us up I believe- do you have any suggestions ?
You say we need grafters and you want Downing?
He couldn't tackle a 5 years old without wincing in pain.

I've named 3 players that I'd go for - downing wouldn't be bought in to tackle but to create, huddlestone and Neville can tackle and add experience and steel- the question was choose 3 players who would improve us and be gettable - have you 3 names ?
Named them about 6 pages ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:26:40 PM: I'm not sure what the appeal is with Huddlestone. He's alright but in the same kind of way Carrick is alright. Phil Neville is not a bad shout if only for his experience but he's a bit on the ye olde side but Downing can stay at Liverpool and play on a Thursday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:33:16 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
I'm not sure what the appeal is with Huddlestone. He's alright but in the same kind of way Carrick is alright. Phil Neville is not a bad shout if only for his experience but he's a bit on the ye olde side but Downing can stay at Liverpool and play on a Thursday.

Do you have 3 names them clamps, not saying huddlestone is messi but he's a lot better than what we have as are Neville and downing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:39:22 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
I'm not sure what the appeal is with Huddlestone. He's alright but in the same kind of way Carrick is alright. Phil Neville is not a bad shout if only for his experience but he's a bit on the ye olde side but Downing can stay at Liverpool and play on a Thursday.

Do you have 3 names them clamps, not saying huddlestone is messi but he's a lot better than what we have as are Neville and downing.

I said Frimpong earlier. As for two more, no. I'll have to have a think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:44:16 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 06:26:40 PM
I'm not sure what the appeal is with Huddlestone. He's alright but in the same kind of way Carrick is alright. Phil Neville is not a bad shout if only for his experience but he's a bit on the ye olde side but Downing can stay at Liverpool and play on a Thursday.

Do you have 3 names them clamps, not saying huddlestone is messi but he's a lot better than what we have as are Neville and downing.

I said Frimpong earlier. As for two more, no. I'll have to have a think.

Frimpong I like but I think we need more experience than that , also seems a bit injury prone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on October 28, 2012, 07:04:25 PM: Literally yesterday on Soccer AM, Seamus Coleman did the teammates interview thingy. He said Phil Neville throws 110pc into training, but struggles to keep up due to his age.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 07:12:18 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on October 28, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
Literally yesterday on Soccer AM, Seamus Coleman did the teammates interview thingy. He said Phil Neville throws 110pc into training, but struggles to keep up due to his age.

Neville would be a short term fix but if he cost £2.5m and helped keep us up then I'd be more than happy with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 28, 2012, 07:15:20 PM: As much as i think he's a prick, i'd bite Liverpool's hands off if we could get Downing back for about 8m. But NOT if it meant selling someone else to fund it of course

The thought of him bursting down the left and putting balls into the box for Bent and Benteke to bang in fills me with a wave of optimism

All we'd to sort then would be a dominate, aggressive ball winner in midfield and another left back / centre back
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on October 28, 2012, 07:20:41 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on October 28, 2012, 02:18:33 PM
is hargreaves still available?
I don't know. I guess we can go to YouTube to find out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 07:22:20 PM: I don't like the idea of paying £2.5m for a nearly 36 year old right back. Things are not quite that desperate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on October 28, 2012, 07:26:44 PM: I fucking hate Downing, but I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on October 28, 2012, 07:41:47 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 07:22:20 PM
I don't like the idea of paying £2.5m for a nearly 36 year old right back. Things are not quite that desperate.

I'm not so sure about not being quite that desperate. We badly need a leader and he is definitely that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:03:42 PM: Quote from: fredm on October 28, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on October 28, 2012, 07:22:20 PM
I don't like the idea of paying £2.5m for a nearly 36 year old right back. Things are not quite that desperate.

I'm not so sure about not being quite that desperate. We badly need a leader and he is definitely that.

If that £2.5 helps us stay up and not lose tens of millions more being relegated then its good business to me .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:10:31 PM: Why would Phil Neville come here?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:35:39 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Why would Phil Neville come here?

One last big pay off ,one last challenge -still got a bit of mileage in him, no longer a regular at Everton and quoted qpr a price last season which qpr didn't match -just a name thrown in jj, general discussion in which we were asked to throw in 3 names we could realistically get to improve our chances of survival- feel free to name some.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on October 28, 2012, 08:43:07 PM: Is Reo-Coker still unemployed?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:47:50 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on October 28, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
Is Reo-Coker still unemployed?

Think he's been signed up now, Ipswich I believe but maybe mistaken.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:52:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Why would Phil Neville come here?

One last big pay off ,one last challenge -still got a bit of mileage in him, no longer a regular at Everton and quoted qpr a price last season which qpr didn't match -just a name thrown in jj, general discussion in which we were asked to throw in 3 names we could realistically get to improve our chances of survival- feel free to name some.

He's started every game for Everton this season. Been in the North West his entire life. I can't see him leaving that for a relegation scrap with us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 28, 2012, 08:57:54 PM: I haven't seen him play in the flesh before, but I thought Wes Hoolahan was impressive yesterday. He was very busy in the attacking midfielder and created quite a bit for them. I also think if we are talking wide options then Adam Lalllana from Southampton would be a good shout, though I doubt we would would get him in January.

As For January, we desperately need some proven Premiership experience in midfield whether it be on permanent basis or on loan for the rest of the season. We might have to shelve the long term thinking for the remainder of the season and concentrate solely on staying up. I think we can revisit the long term plan over the summer when we have secured our place in the division. With that in mind, experienced Premiership players like Huddlestone and Neville are the sort of players we should be looking at in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:58:55 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Why would Phil Neville come here?

One last big pay off ,one last challenge -still got a bit of mileage in him, no longer a regular at Everton and quoted qpr a price last season which qpr didn't match -just a name thrown in jj, general discussion in which we were asked to throw in 3 names we could realistically get to improve our chances of survival- feel free to name some.

He's started every game for Everton this season. Been in the North West his entire life. I can't see him leaving that for a relegation scrap with us.

If the money is right who knows , just a name thrown into the hat of the sort of player we need who may be gettable that's all, please feel free to throw a few names in as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 28, 2012, 09:01:53 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on October 28, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
I haven't seen him play in the flesh before, but I thought Wes Hoolahan was impressive yesterday. He was very busy in the attacking midfielder and created quite a bit for them. I also think if we are talking wide options then Adam Lalllana from Southampton would be a good shout, though I doubt we would would get him in January.

As For January, we desperately need some proven Premiership experience in midfield whether it be on permanent basis or on loan for the rest of the season. We might have to shelve the long term thinking for the remainder of the season and concentrate solely on staying up. I think we can revisit the long term plan over the summer when we have secured our place in the division. With that in mind, experienced Premiership players like Huddlestone and Neville are the sort of players we should be looking at in January.

Hoolahan impressed me a lot and has done a few times last season, would definitely be useful even if Norwich bump up the price a bit - we probably will need to pay over the odds in January but survival is vital.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 28, 2012, 09:44:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 09:01:53 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on October 28, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
I haven't seen him play in the flesh before, but I thought Wes Hoolahan was impressive yesterday. He was very busy in the attacking midfielder and created quite a bit for them. I also think if we are talking wide options then Adam Lalllana from Southampton would be a good shout, though I doubt we would would get him in January.

As For January, we desperately need some proven Premiership experience in midfield whether it be on permanent basis or on loan for the rest of the season. We might have to shelve the long term thinking for the remainder of the season and concentrate solely on staying up. I think we can revisit the long term plan over the summer when we have secured our place in the division. With that in mind, experienced Premiership players like Huddlestone and Neville are the sort of players we should be looking at in January.

Hoolahan impressed me a lot and has done a few times last season, would definitely be useful even if Norwich bump up the price a bit - we probably will need to pay over the odds in January but survival is vital.

I think he could be one for the summer Eastie as opposed to January. I thought he had a lot more energy and creativity in that position than we have seen from the likes of Ireland and N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 28, 2012, 10:01:29 PM: I don't think a player like Hoolahan - as good as he is - should be a priority right now. We need a player with energy that can shore up the midfield. Fringpong is a good shout although some experience would be handy. Off the top of my head Flamini would be ideal but I'm not sure where he's at, or whether he maintained his decent form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 10:04:22 PM: Frimpong is a good shout. I'd prefer someone more experienced though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on October 29, 2012, 12:12:12 AM: We need 2 in there. Frimpong and this Danish fella would do me if he is as good as reported to be so. Frimpong is a beast.

Oh and ditch 4-4-2, which would mean a Hoolahan type would be useful.

Robbie Keane anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on October 29, 2012, 12:15:04 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on October 29, 2012, 12:12:12 AM
We need 2 in there. Frimpong and this Danish fella would do me if he is as good as reported to be so. Frimpong is a beast.

Oh and ditch 4-4-2, which would mean a Hoolahan type would be useful.

Robbie Keane anyone?
After last season yes please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 29, 2012, 05:54:57 AM: Think we missed something with Hitzlsperger to be honest. If he's good enough for Moyes, he's good enough for us. Established player, loads of experience and solid. It'd be nice to get 4-5 thunderbolts out of nothing too. We're not creating enough so a few goals from nowt would really help us. Think he'd have added to our midfield. Fitness would be an issue but he was a free agent. He divides opinion but he did okay for WH when he actually played, he's had 50 odd caps for ze Germans (granted not in their finest period) and played in the CL. He's on short term with them, so perhaps it could be re-ignited.

I'd be happy with Frimpong, but still feel another more experienced head in midfield would be useful too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 29, 2012, 05:56:35 AM: Keano to link the midfield and attack would be good. I'd play him off Benteke. Think they'd do well together. Keane likes playing with a big man too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 29, 2012, 08:17:16 AM: Keane would be a welcome addition but I don't think hitzlsperger is any better than what we've got already , another hit and miss average midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 29, 2012, 08:31:51 AM: Quote from: eastie on October 29, 2012, 08:17:16 AM
Keane would be a welcome addition but I don't think hitzlsperger is any better than what we've got already , another hit and miss average midfielder.
Who was deemed to be good enough for a much better team than us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 29, 2012, 08:35:22 AM: Quote from: Dave on October 29, 2012, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: eastie on October 29, 2012, 08:17:16 AM
Keane would be a welcome addition but I don't think hitzlsperger is any better than what we've got already , another hit and miss average midfielder.
Who was deemed to be good enough for a much better team than us.

Hitzlsperger is a squad player at Everton, lets see how many games he starts for them , if he was that good they would have signed him on a longer contract and not given him an extensive trial before offering a short term deal.

Probably just there as cover on case they have their annual injury crisis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on October 29, 2012, 08:44:59 AM: Quote from: Holte L2 on October 28, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
I fucking hate Downing, but I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
I fucking hate Downing too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 29, 2012, 09:04:45 AM: I'm not sure if Hitz is what we needed but i would'nt have grumbled too much if he'd come in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 29, 2012, 11:20:24 AM: Fulham to offer £12 million for Bent...

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/10/29/fulham-launch-12m-bid-to-sign-aston-villa-striker-darren-bent/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on October 29, 2012, 11:34:41 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on October 29, 2012, 12:12:12 AM
We need 2 in there. Frimpong and this Danish fella would do me if he is as good as reported to be so. Frimpong is a beast.

Oh and ditch 4-4-2, which would mean a Hoolahan type would be useful.

Robbie Keane anyone?

Keane looked completely finished in the Euros and has done nothing to dismiss that theory in the subsequent games against the might of the Kazakhs and Faroes. Playing at that joke standard (apologies to MLS fans) is doing him no favours.

Then again he is a leader and did make a big impact last season. Dropped off Bent well and improved all the attacking players around him.

Most of the players mentioned I would say no too but the facts are particularly in midfield we have players nowhere near good enough. Many here wouldnt have thought Pienaar and Gibson were worth getting in but they have improved Everton hugely.

To be honest, Liverpool will get rid of Henderson and Downing. Prior to being in Anfield they were solid players at this level. both of those in our side would improve things. Sometimes it doesnt work out for players at clubs but they arent as bad as their form at Anfield suggests.

Sinclair, Moses, Sturridge, Arshavin, Rosicky will all be available for loan in Jan I reckon. As will Frimpong most likely.

Peter Whittingham is worth bringing back too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 29, 2012, 11:54:09 AM: Lot of wingers mentioned there considering our manager doesn't like them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on October 29, 2012, 12:02:04 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 29, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
Lot of wingers mentioned there considering our manager doesn't like them.

If he doesnt like wingers there is no point in having Bent or Gabby at the club. Nor Nzogbia or Albrighton for that matter

The players in our diamond - Holman, Albrighton, Delph, Kea, Ireland, Bannan arent good enough some miles away from maybe ever being
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM: Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:54:41 PM: Can we not sign a brazilian or a spaniard? Lets get a bit of flair in. Some technical ability. Lets do what we missed out on all those years back when we didn't get Juninho. I'd love to see a player, even if he's a pain in the arse sometimes, who'd just light games up. We don't really have that. Got to say I think Arsene's got a gem in Carzola. He's very classy. I'd love our scouts to pull out some south american or spanish class. Someone who can dribble, and someone who's foot is just a ball magnet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:56:49 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
I could see him going there to be honest. Fulham aren't shy of paying big wages. There also a team who are 2-3 signings from pushing for the last Euro berth (assuming it's 6th or 7th).
Sadly...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on October 29, 2012, 02:13:18 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.

Flippin' heck 2 forwards renown for their work rate :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on October 29, 2012, 02:24:56 PM: Huddlestone....no thanks, too lazy and too immobile.

If we have the money, Capoue, Frimpong would be an improvement, or look abroad.

I would ask Chelsk if we can have the German kid on loan as well.Think SAF would let Fletcher go?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on October 29, 2012, 02:48:22 PM: Quote from: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
I could see him going there to be honest. Fulham aren't shy of paying big wages. There also a team who are 2-3 signings from pushing for the last Euro berth (assuming it's 6th or 7th).
Sadly...

12m would never be enough and there would be no point in having Berbatov, Rodellega and Bent..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 29, 2012, 02:55:37 PM: Quote from: villadelph on October 29, 2012, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
I could see him going there to be honest. Fulham aren't shy of paying big wages. There also a team who are 2-3 signings from pushing for the last Euro berth (assuming it's 6th or 7th).
Sadly...

12m would never be enough and there would be no point in having Berbatov, Rodellega and Bent..

£12m seems about the right sort of price in my opinion, granted a free scoring and on fire bent is worth more but he's on the bench and hardly gets a kick when he does play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 29, 2012, 03:21:50 PM: Quote from: villadelph on October 29, 2012, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
I could see him going there to be honest. Fulham aren't shy of paying big wages. There also a team who are 2-3 signings from pushing for the last Euro berth (assuming it's 6th or 7th).
Sadly...

12m would never be enough and there would be no point in having Berbatov, Rodellega and Bent..

I don't think the club would accept £12m anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 29, 2012, 03:28:01 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 29, 2012, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: villadelph on October 29, 2012, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on October 29, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on October 29, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Can you imagine how many goals Fulham will score with Berbatov and Bent? More than us, in any event.
I could see him going there to be honest. Fulham aren't shy of paying big wages. There also a team who are 2-3 signings from pushing for the last Euro berth (assuming it's 6th or 7th).
Sadly...

12m would never be enough and there would be no point in having Berbatov, Rodellega and Bent..

I don't think the club would accept £12m anyway.

I think we possibly will be looking to sell and give lambert money to spend to boost his coffers further , the longer bent struggles the more his valuation will drop - do we take the money and buy elsewhere or turn it down and keep a player who doesn't fit the managers plans ?

I would like bent to stay but only if it means we play a system to create the chances for him , I can't see the manager however changing his style to accommodate him.

Fulham will maybe test the water and then go a bit higher or they may say take it or leave it - depends how much lambert sees the money from bent would help him to get the players he needs.

Bent doesn't really need to force the issue at all - I think lambert would sell if the money is right , if more than one team want him maybe we could push it closer to £15 m?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 29, 2012, 03:44:36 PM: Lambert's already been quoted as saying Bent will still be here in February, although he would'nt really say anything else. Then again, it's not as if he's frozen him out like he has with Hutton and Warnock.

I reckon he'll start him on Saturday up there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 29, 2012, 03:48:13 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 29, 2012, 03:44:36 PM
Lambert's already been quoted as saying Bent will still be here in February, although he would'nt really say anything else. Then again, it's not as if he's frozen him out like he has with Hutton and Warnock.

I reckon he'll start him on Saturday up there.

Of course lamberts hardly gonna say " I'm gonna get rid of him as soon as I can " is he ?

I think more likely to start at Swindon than on Saturday - our system is not suited to him sadly.

Lambert said he was happy at Norwich and then quit with all sorts of revelations about behind the scenes arguments- he will be diplomatic with his answers understandably.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 30, 2012, 06:45:08 AM: Don't think we'll take 12, but I could see us taking 15, or there abouts if a deal can be done. It depends how well Berba starts. Rodallega doesn't score goals. If Berbas struggling to score or with his fitness they might splash out on a forward. They're in a solid position so pushing on with a couple of decent signings might be sensible. Jol's ambitious too so he'll be wanting to sign a few to supplement a Euro push.
I don't forsee Fulham being desperate to sign someone though so they won't pay the jan surcharge. In the summer though I think Bents a goner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 30, 2012, 08:12:04 AM: Quote from: supertom on October 30, 2012, 06:45:08 AM
Don't think we'll take 12, but I could see us taking 15, or there abouts if a deal can be done. It depends how well Berba starts. Rodallega doesn't score goals. If Berbas struggling to score or with his fitness they might splash out on a forward. They're in a solid position so pushing on with a couple of decent signings might be sensible. Jol's ambitious too so he'll be wanting to sign a few to supplement a Euro push.
I don't forsee Fulham being desperate to sign someone though so they won't pay the jan surcharge. In the summer though I think Bents a goner.

Yeah, a part-ex with Sidwell should satisfy those looking for more experience in MF. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 09:27:53 AM: At the time we were trying for Dempsey, Lambert was quoted as saying that Benteke would have come in regardless whether Dempsey had joined or not so hopefully that money is still available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 09:34:39 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 09:27:53 AM
At the time we were trying for Dempsey, Lambert was quoted as saying that Benteke would have come in regardless whether Dempsey had joined or not so hopefully that money is still available.

As we saw with bents arrival the threat of relegation and the loss of revenue it would mean are likely to persuade randy to dig deep and spend big money- better to spend £25m and stay up than go down and lose tens of millions.

Lets hope we buy the right players if we spend big as we cannot afford to get things wrong this time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 09:50:54 AM: Bent was'nt bought in to fight off relegation in particular. Apparantley Houiller pinpointed him as a player he wanted when he joined. I think there's transfer money there for a player if he needs it, but obviously one eye needs to be kept on the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on October 30, 2012, 09:57:38 AM: I think the problem is more complex now than it was when we bought Bent. In Jan 2011 we had a midfield including Petrov, Young and Downing, creating loads of chances but not scoring enough goals. We needed an out and out goal scorer to put the chances away. Bent was the ideal man and, more importantly, was available. What we need now imo is a dominant midfielder, a play maker, and another defender. Who they'd be, and whether they're available is one thing; the other thing is whether they'd have the same immediate impact as Bent did.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 09:57:41 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 09:50:54 AM
Bent was'nt bought in to fight off relegation in particular. Apparantley Houiller pinpointed him as a player he wanted when he joined. I think there's transfer money there for a player if he needs it, but obviously one eye needs to be kept on the wage bill.

Staying in this league is the main concern , if that means paying big wages to attract top quality then so be it - the loss of revenue from relegation would be far more than paying the going rate for a top quality player.

Paying an extra few grand in wages to the right player or losing multi millions in relegation is a no brainer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM: We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on October 30, 2012, 10:00:34 AM: Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

True, but the signing of that fabled 'midfield general' would improve us hugely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:04:32 AM: Quote from: Montbert on October 30, 2012, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

True, but the signing of that fabled 'midfield general' would improve us hugely.
I agree totally and hopefully there are eyes and ears on the look out for possible targets so deals can be done quickly and with the minimum of disruption. They will have to come into the team ready to play immediately, no time to " Settle in ."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:05:04 AM: Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

Oh sure, i did'nt just mean one player, i just meant that if there was a player he wanted for say £12m, i think the money would be there for him.

It's a pity Lambert dose'nt seem to like playing with wingers because Malouda at Chelsea can't seem to get a game for them at the moment. He's 32 though but he can probably still cross a decent ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on October 30, 2012, 10:06:32 AM: Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: Montbert on October 30, 2012, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

True, but the signing of that fabled 'midfield general' would improve us hugely.
I agree totally and hopefully there are eyes and ears on the look out for possible targets so deals can be done quickly and with the minimum of disruption. They will have to come into the team ready to play immediately, no time to " Settle in ."

Well, that might be stretching the optimism a bit far, but I agree that they have to be of the quality where they're settling into the club, not the standard of play expected of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:09:33 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

Oh sure, i did'nt just mean one player, i just meant that if there was a player he wanted for say £12m, i think the money would be there for him.

It's a pity Lambert dose'nt seem to like playing with wingers because Malouda at Chelsea can't seem to get a game for them at the moment. He's 32 though but he can probably still cross a decent ball.
Malouda would be great, but like you said earlier we have to be carefull of the wages, i think Malouda would be outside what we would be willing to part with for wages. Would make a massive difference to us though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:12:05 AM: Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

Oh sure, i did'nt just mean one player, i just meant that if there was a player he wanted for say £12m, i think the money would be there for him.

It's a pity Lambert dose'nt seem to like playing with wingers because Malouda at Chelsea can't seem to get a game for them at the moment. He's 32 though but he can probably still cross a decent ball.
Malouda would be great, but like you said earlier we have to be carefull of the wages, i think Malouda would be outside what we would be willing to part with for wages. Would make a massive difference to us though.

Yep wages would be a sticking point, unless he came on loan initially. Then again, being 32 he might have to accept a drop in wages eventually anyway. Just a thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:16:00 AM: Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:12:05 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on October 30, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
We need more than one player i think Clampy. Think we should be looking for at least 3. A couple in midfield and another defender.

Oh sure, i did'nt just mean one player, i just meant that if there was a player he wanted for say £12m, i think the money would be there for him.

It's a pity Lambert dose'nt seem to like playing with wingers because Malouda at Chelsea can't seem to get a game for them at the moment. He's 32 though but he can probably still cross a decent ball.
Malouda would be great, but like you said earlier we have to be carefull of the wages, i think Malouda would be outside what we would be willing to part with for wages. Would make a massive difference to us though.

Yep wages would be a sticking point, unless he came on loan initially. Then again, being 32 he might have to accept a drop in wages eventually anyway. Just a thought.
Agree 100% . He is the sort of quality we should be looking at and a loan deal might suit both teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 30, 2012, 10:41:40 AM: Even at 32 I can't see Malouda wanting to come here, even if Chelski were willing to deal. There's plenty of clubs in pushing for Europe in the French and Italian league, and few Prem sides who'd happily take him. And pay him more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 11:55:28 AM: I don't think we'll be seeing any frees coming in between now and January a la Pires. I reckon Lambert would see it as undermining his whole strategy. I also think he won't splurge in January, for the same reason. It'll be a couple of unheralded players, possibly not from the PL.

The player I think we need? Kevin Nolan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:00:01 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing any frees coming in between now and January a la Pires. I reckon Lambert would see it as undermining his whole strategy. I also think he won't splurge in January, for the same reason. It'll be a couple of unheralded players, possibly not from the PL.

The player I think we need? Kevin Nolan.

Kevin Nolan would be an excellent signing , sadly I think we have more chance of getting Coleen than Kevin.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 12:04:41 PM: Nolan is the kind of 'ilk' we need.

I wonder if Tim Cahill would fancy keeping his fitness up with us like Keane did last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 12:09:17 PM: With the midfield balance tipped too far towards flair players, and hence the requirement of a hard bastartd to do the donkey work, I'll open myself up to ridicule by suggesting bogeyman Karl Henry.

I also thought we should have re-signed NRC, so I'm obviously not all there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 30, 2012, 12:12:41 PM: I see Newcastle are signing Moussa Sissoko on a free . That's the sort of player we need .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 12:13:49 PM: I don't think we need a 'hard' player as such, but somebody who can both win the ball and distribute. El-Ahmadi can't pass forwards, Bannan can't pass simply, Ireland is always one pass ahead and Delph can't pass, full stop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:24:55 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 12:04:41 PM
Nolan is the kind of 'ilk' we need.

I wonder if Tim Cahill would fancy keeping his fitness up with us like Keane did last season.

Excellent shout with Cahill clamps!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:26:11 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 12:09:17 PM
With the midfield balance tipped too far towards flair players, and hence the requirement of a hard bastartd to do the donkey work, I'll open myself up to ridicule by suggesting bogeyman Karl Henry.

I also thought we should have re-signed NRC, so I'm obviously not all there.

I'd also have liked NRC back in the fold .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 30, 2012, 12:32:38 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 28, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on October 28, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Why would Phil Neville come here?

One last big pay off ,one last challenge -still got a bit of mileage in him, no longer a regular at Everton and quoted qpr a price last season which qpr didn't match -just a name thrown in jj, general discussion in which we were asked to throw in 3 names we could realistically get to improve our chances of survival- feel free to name some.

He's started every game for Everton this season. Been in the North West his entire life. I can't see him leaving that for a relegation scrap with us.

If the money is right who knows , just a name thrown into the hat of the sort of player we need who may be gettable that's all, please feel free to throw a few names in as well.
Not sure if Neville is exactly the right player (though he might be) but he's definitely the right type of player. Experienced, a fighter in the heart of midfield
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:36:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 12:09:17 PM
With the midfield balance tipped too far towards flair players, and hence the requirement of a hard bastartd to do the donkey work, I'll open myself up to ridicule by suggesting bogeyman Karl Henry.

I also thought we should have re-signed NRC, so I'm obviously not all there.

I'd also have liked NRC back in the fold .
So you think that Thomas Hitzlsperger, deemed good enough to sign for fifth placed Everton isn't good enough for us but Nigel Reo-Coker, deemed only good enough to sign for bottom of the Championship Ipswich is someone we should have signed?

Okay then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 30, 2012, 12:39:19 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on October 30, 2012, 12:12:41 PM
I see Newcastle are signing Moussa Sissoko on a free . That's the sort of player we need .
I think our scouts should just follow the Newcastle scouts around personally.
Then jump ahead of them just before they try and sign the players, perhaps a cheeky little trip from behind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 30, 2012, 12:41:42 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 12:13:49 PM
I don't think we need a 'hard' player as such, but somebody who can both win the ball and distribute. El-Ahmadi can't pass forwards, Bannan can't pass simply, Ireland is always one pass ahead and Delph can't pass, full stop.
Well summed up but does it not bother you how someone like Sidwell goes to a different club and suddenly looks like a decent player? As I've already mentioned it was the same back in the day with Draper. Am just worried that anyone coming in would look shit at the moment, El Ahmadi was a hell of a player for PSV suddenly he looks rubbish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:43:42 PM: Quote from: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 12:09:17 PM
With the midfield balance tipped too far towards flair players, and hence the requirement of a hard bastartd to do the donkey work, I'll open myself up to ridicule by suggesting bogeyman Karl Henry.

I also thought we should have re-signed NRC, so I'm obviously not all there.

I'd also have liked NRC back in the fold .
So you think that Thomas Hitzlsperger, deemed good enough to sign for fifth placed Everton isn't good enough for us but Nigel Reo-Coker, deemed only good enough to sign for bottom of the Championship Ipswich is someone we should have signed?

Okay then.

Totally different types of player- lets see how many games hitzlsperger starts for Everton - I'd be surprised if he starts a handful of games during his time there, reo- Coker would add a bit of ball winning steel and experience to the midfield , hitzlsperger is not good enough to start in our team in my view .

Everton offered him a short term deal after a trial, he had no other offers and I'd doubt very much that Everton would extend his deal- as cover for injuries he's ok .

When you say deemed good enough for a fifth placed team can you tell me how many games he's played so far ? Exactly - deemed a squad player!

Reo- Coker despite his faults would get into our side in my view ahead of the likes of Delph.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 12:45:03 PM: Let's get Heskey and Beye back. They were deemed good enough for 6th placed Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:46:38 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
Everton offered him a short term deal after a trial, he had no other offers
Which is completely different to Ipswich offering Reo-Coker a short-term deal when he had no other offers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:48:56 PM: Quote from: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
Everton offered him a short term deal after a trial, he had no other offers
Which is completely different to Ipswich offering Reo-Coker a short-term deal when he had no other offers.

Your the one banging on about the hitz - he would not improve our team, reo- Coker is not the player I'd go for in January but I'd take him on a free ahead of hitz anyday.

We need steel and experience , reo-Coker lacks real quality but he's better than what we've got, hitz is not better than what we've got.

They are totally different players who play very different roles in midfield.the steely ball winner is one thing we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:52:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
Everton offered him a short term deal after a trial, he had no other offers
Which is completely different to Ipswich offering Reo-Coker a short-term deal when he had no other offers.

Your the one banging on about the hitz - he would not improve our team, reo- Coker is not the player I'd go for in January but I'd take him on a free ahead of hitz anyday
And as per my point - the respective clubs who have chosen to sign the two players is clearly enough evidence of how good each of them are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 30, 2012, 12:52:30 PM: NRC is no better than Herd. It's debatable whether he's much better than Delph.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:58:53 PM: Quote from: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: Dave on October 30, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on October 30, 2012, 12:43:42 PM
Everton offered him a short term deal after a trial, he had no other offers
Which is completely different to Ipswich offering Reo-Coker a short-term deal when he had no other offers.

Your the one banging on about the hitz - he would not improve our team, reo- Coker is not the player I'd go for in January but I'd take him on a free ahead of hitz anyday
And as per my point - the respective clubs who have chosen to sign the two players is clearly enough evidence of how good each of them are.

Lets see if hitz starts a game up there - I expect he will be looking for a club come the end of the season, having barely kicked a ball on merseyside.

You were saying last year how totally shit Darron Gibson was when I suggested him as a part exchange for ash on one of the Ashley young threads- remind me dave is he not now a regular for Everton ?

Does that not say how good he is ?
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Re: Ashley Young - tell it how you see it
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 08:36:37 AM »

You've come up with some eccentric ideas in the past eastie, but the idea that anyone higher than a League One club, let alone ourselves should be trying to sign Darron Gibson is bordering on insanity.

He would be about sixth choice amongst our current midfielders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on October 30, 2012, 01:00:51 PM: i would rather have Delph than NRC in the team
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 30, 2012, 01:11:41 PM: Whilst NRC is the type of player we could do with, the player himself is not good enough now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 01:11:56 PM: Gotta love the posters who think that people who disagree with them are mentally ill.

Fucking nutters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 30, 2012, 01:14:01 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 01:11:56 PM
Gotta love the posters who think that people who disagree with them are mentally ill.

Fucking nutters.

You're mad for thinking that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2012, 01:17:31 PM: Oddball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on October 30, 2012, 01:26:39 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing any frees coming in between now and January a la Pires. I reckon Lambert would see it as undermining his whole strategy. I also think he won't splurge in January, for the same reason. It'll be a couple of unheralded players, possibly not from the PL.

The player I think we need? Kevin Nolan.

I think he has got to alter that strategy for the remainder of this season Curious and revisit it in the summer. We just need to stay up this season and if we can achieve that through short-term frees and loans then I think it is a case of needs must. The long term strategy can be picked up again when our safety in the division is secured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on October 30, 2012, 02:33:33 PM: Five ambitious signings for Paul Lambert in January:

http://hereisthecity.com/2012/10/29/sb-if-i-was-paul-lambert-in-january/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 30, 2012, 02:54:04 PM: Quote from: not3bad on October 30, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
Five ambitious signings for Paul Lambert in January:

http://hereisthecity.com/2012/10/29/sb-if-i-was-paul-lambert-in-january/

Some quality there , not much premier experience but interesting names indeed, food for thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on October 30, 2012, 02:56:58 PM: He needs to get out more, spends too much time in football management games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 30, 2012, 03:17:27 PM: Kjaer would be a smart move. Don't know much about the Tromso beast but he's certainly the right spec. for the others, I don't think we'd feature if they were available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on October 30, 2012, 03:26:11 PM: As loathe as i am to say, Newcastle have a cracking young reserve midfielder called Vukic that doesn't seem to get a lot of 1st team playing time. I have seen him play a couple of times on TV, and he looks real quality, can dig it from quite a distance. I rate him, not that, that actually counts for anything!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on October 30, 2012, 03:26:24 PM: Kara is a beast on FM. That's good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 30, 2012, 03:51:21 PM: I can't see him going for the french winger . Not that he is french but he is a winger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2012, 03:59:02 PM: Gibson has been a great signing for Everton, I think they've only lost once when he's started. Definitely a player who was over-looked by most.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on October 30, 2012, 04:53:52 PM: Anyone described as a 'Senegalese battle tank' would do for me.

If I were Lambert, I'd have my scouts almost permanently stationed in Germany, watching the Bundesliga. Still think that's a relatively untapped market for PL teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 30, 2012, 05:24:38 PM: Why not miss out ze Germans and set up scouts in Poland? After all, that seems to be the place if you want to come from nowhere to rule the roost.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on October 30, 2012, 06:40:17 PM: Quote from: not3bad on October 30, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
Five ambitious signings for Paul Lambert in January:

http://hereisthecity.com/2012/10/29/sb-if-i-was-paul-lambert-in-january/

5 players we have no chance of getting!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on October 31, 2012, 04:38:13 AM: Quote from: Merv on October 30, 2012, 04:53:52 PM
Anyone described as a 'Senegalese battle tank' would do for me.

If I were Lambert, I'd have my scouts almost permanently stationed in Germany, watching the Bundesliga. Still think that's a relatively untapped market for PL teams.

We had the Togolese Zidane and it didn't do us much good. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 31, 2012, 07:38:22 AM: Quote from: supertom on October 31, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: Merv on October 30, 2012, 04:53:52 PM
Anyone described as a 'Senegalese battle tank' would do for me.

If I were Lambert, I'd have my scouts almost permanently stationed in Germany, watching the Bundesliga. Still think that's a relatively untapped market for PL teams.

We had the Togolese Zidane and it didn't do us much good. ;)
not forgetting the Equadorian Beckham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on October 31, 2012, 09:39:30 AM: I've said it in a couple of other threads that we need to add some 'Steel' in Jan.
I'm putting my head on the block here, but, I wouldn't be adverse to bringing back Craig Gardner, he would add that steel, and he's also got an eye for a goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 31, 2012, 09:48:28 AM: Quote from: nigel on October 31, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
I've said it in a couple of other threads that we need to add some 'Steel' in Jan.
I'm putting my head on the block here, but, I wouldn't be adverse to bringing back Craig Gardner, he would add that steel, and he's also got an eye for a goal.

It might seem like a step back but i would'nt be totally against it and it would depend how much they'd want for him. He can slot in a right back, which the way our injuries are going might come in useful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 31, 2012, 09:49:38 AM: The trouble is with Gardener that the knuckleheads would only see the Blues connections and crucify Villa for making a move for him. As for me, I wouldn't say no. I can't remember if he was a regular under O'Neill but suspect not. Another ex-Nose I'd take is Seb Larsson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 31, 2012, 09:52:18 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on October 31, 2012, 09:49:38 AM
The trouble is with Gardener that the knuckleheads would only see the Blues connections and crucify Villa for making a move for him.

I would'nt give a shit what they think personally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2012, 09:53:55 AM: Strange that TSM didn't go in for Larsson on a free. He would have been so much better than CNZ I'm sure. I'd have Craig G back as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on October 31, 2012, 09:57:45 AM: Clampy, I wouldn't care either. But Lambert isn't working with a whole lot of credit at the moment. If he bought him in, the smart thing to do would be to do it second or third in a spate of January signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on October 31, 2012, 10:01:23 AM: Not long after he took over TSM was quoted as saying he contacted Larsson/his agent but the deal with Sunderland was as good as done by then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on October 31, 2012, 10:04:29 AM: Quote from: Damo70 on October 31, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Not long after he took over TSM was quoted as saying he contacted Larsson/his agent but the deal with Sunderland was as good as done by then.

That wouldn't have stopped a Clough or an MON!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 31, 2012, 10:07:05 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
Strange that TSM didn't go in for Larsson on a free. He would have been so much better than CNZ I'm sure. I'd have Craig G back as well.

I'm sure TSM came out and said that he wanted Larsson but he'd already agreed to go to Sunderland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on October 31, 2012, 10:11:09 AM: Gardner couldn't get in our midfield when he left but I think he'd get in it now- wouldn't be against him coming in - versatile as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2012, 10:32:04 AM: Okay, must have missed that TSM/Larsson story at the time. Fuck knows how, the amount of time I spend on here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on October 31, 2012, 11:33:51 AM: i wouldn't have that mendacious piece of shit back at any price. I'm a lifelong villa fan..no, wait make that a bluenose..no sorry what's that team that plays in red and white?. supported them all my life. twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2012, 12:30:52 PM: I always thought Craig Gardner was a decent player to have around, always put in a shift and had a decent shot on him. To compare him to another player people mention getting back, I'd have him back over NRC every day of the week.

Not sure what's happened to him at Sunderland, though. Has MON had him playing at right back?

Not too sure I'd actually want him back now, though, prob too much water under the bridge since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on October 31, 2012, 12:39:05 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
I always thought Craig Gardner was a decent player to have around, always put in a shift and had a decent shot on him. To compare him to another player people mention getting back, I'd have him back over NRC every day of the week.

Not sure what's happened to him at Sunderland, though. Has MON had him playing at right back?

Not too sure I'd actually want him back now, though, prob too much water under the bridge since.

Yeah he's been playing right back. Not sure if that's due to injuries (i'm sure Davey will tell us).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 31, 2012, 02:01:50 PM: VT are linking us with Abdoulaye Ba. Senegalese defender
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on October 31, 2012, 02:08:20 PM: Quote from: Clampy on October 31, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
I always thought Craig Gardner was a decent player to have around, always put in a shift and had a decent shot on him. To compare him to another player people mention getting back, I'd have him back over NRC every day of the week.

Not sure what's happened to him at Sunderland, though. Has MON had him playing at right back?

Not too sure I'd actually want him back now, though, prob too much water under the bridge since.

Yeah he's been playing right back. Not sure if that's due to injuries (i'm sure Davey will tell us).

Yeah Clampy, Phil Bardsley the normal RB, has been out for quite a while. He was back last night for the Boro disaster, but Gardener has been covering for him for most of the season so far. He's been great there to be fair, but we could do with him in the middle i think. At least he can get goals from there!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on October 31, 2012, 02:10:44 PM: Ba's first goal here is pretty impressive!

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on October 31, 2012, 03:09:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on October 31, 2012, 10:11:09 AM
Gardner couldn't get in our midfield when he left but I think he'd get in it now- wouldn't be against him coming in - versatile as well.
I always felt that - along with Cahill - he was wrongly disposed of by MON to make space for one of his expensive signings (Sidwell, in the case of Gardner; I think). He was another victim of MON's "play-him-out-of-position" strategy.
Ironically, I think that has probably helped Gardner develop as a player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on October 31, 2012, 03:30:25 PM: Gardner would probably get in our side as a right back never mind a midfielder at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on October 31, 2012, 06:45:20 PM: Lowton looks ok - he just needs to learn how to cross so that we get some deliveries from the full-backs. Lichaj did it yesterday for the winner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2012, 06:50:39 PM: Quote from: Matt C on October 31, 2012, 03:30:25 PM
Gardner would probably get in our side as a right back never mind a midfielder at the moment.

I think Frank Gardner would do a better job than most of our midfield at the moment, let alone Craig.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 31, 2012, 07:26:11 PM: If we're talking about Gardner's who would improve our midfield, i'll add Percy Thrower to the mix.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2012, 07:55:35 PM: Ava.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 31, 2012, 08:50:05 PM: I'd prefer us to spend our January money on one midfielder that will be part of the new/future villa. Craig Gardner might improve us a bit but I'd hope we are looking beyond his level. I appreciate we need to spend to avoid relegation but I do not see the point in filling the squad with players (and topping up the wage bill) which will prevent us from moving forward in the future.

I just hope that PL has a better idea of who that "one" player is than me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 01, 2012, 11:18:38 AM: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1208411/aston-villa-weighing-up-bid-for-porto-defender-absoulaye-ba?cc=5739

Probably bollocks but I found this link to Abdoulaye Ba. I would worry we'd end up loosing him to the African Nations.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 01, 2012, 12:39:13 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 01, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1208411/aston-villa-weighing-up-bid-for-porto-defender-absoulaye-ba?cc=5739

Probably bollocks but I found this link to Abdoulaye Ba. I would worry we'd end up loosing him to the African Nations.
I wouldn't worry too much - Senegal have already been kicked out of the next one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 01, 2012, 02:11:12 PM: Quote from: Dave on November 01, 2012, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on November 01, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1208411/aston-villa-weighing-up-bid-for-porto-defender-absoulaye-ba?cc=5739

Probably bollocks but I found this link to Abdoulaye Ba. I would worry we'd end up loosing him to the African Nations.
I wouldn't worry too much - Senegal have already been kicked out of the next one.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2012, 02:14:43 PM: Craig Gardner would be very useful in the middle of the park. He's a ******, but still a good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2012, 02:24:55 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 31, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
If we're talking about Gardner's who would improve our midfield, i'll add Percy Thrower to the mix.
Charley's Dimmocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 01, 2012, 06:31:01 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2012, 02:14:43 PM
Craig Gardner would be very useful in the middle of the park. He's a c***, but still a good player.

He would be in our team now if he stuck with us a bit longer. He would have got in over Hogg 2 years ago anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VancouverLion on November 01, 2012, 06:53:26 PM: Craig Gardner FFS! How the mighty have fallen!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on November 01, 2012, 07:29:38 PM: What? Fallen since Gardner was one of our midfielders?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 01, 2012, 07:35:13 PM: I always liked Gardner when he was here,and since he's left he's developed into a pretty good player. Every time i see Cahill play,i just think,thanks a lot M'ON you short sighted prick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on November 01, 2012, 07:56:28 PM: No problem with Gardener, but is he a good long term move......not for me.A player like Sissokho on a free would have been a better idea, or look to a loan signing until next summer.Apparently Arse want to send Frimpongout on loan, would be a better deal to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2012, 09:03:09 PM: Yes, good idea. Three years ago Arsenal wouldn't have dreamed of letting us have a player on loan, and we wouldn't have wanted one. But now it may (sadly) suit us both and we may as well take advantage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
Yes, good idea. Three years ago Arsenal wouldn't have dreamed of letting us have a player on loan, and we wouldn't have wanted one. But now it may (sadly) suit us both and we may as well take advantage.

Fringpong would be ideal. Lets also remember that Arsenal have a history of letting players go that could arguably will make it (Arsenal level). Off the top of my head there is the CB that has been at Rangers for a few season, Bentley, Pennant and Upson that would all be considered good enough for us (at the time).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on November 01, 2012, 07:56:28 PM
No problem with Gardener, but is he a good long term move......not for me.A player like Sissokho on a free would have been a better idea, or look to a loan signing until next summer.Apparently Arse want to send Frimpongout on loan, would be a better deal to me.

He's about to turn 26, so he's not a bad age if we are looking at the long term. In the long run I would hope we could attract a better quality of player, but I think he could do a good job for a couple of seasons at least and would give us a bit of much needed stability in central midfield. Hopefully he could bring the best out in his brother when he comes back from injury as well!!

On the subject of local born players about who there is doubt whether they and their families are Blues or Villa fans, I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:35:59 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
.. I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
A winger?
Winger!??
Please!! - don't be mischievous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:37:15 AM: I think it's a good shout, Tom, although I don't know how well he's playing right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johncvilla88 on November 02, 2012, 10:34:43 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
.. I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
A winger?
Winger!??
Please!! - don't be mischievous.

Prefer Tom Ince...........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 02, 2012, 10:54:34 AM: Quote from: johncvilla88 on November 02, 2012, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
.. I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
A winger?
Winger!??
Please!! - don't be mischievous.

Prefer Tom Ince...........

I wonder if Tom Ince and Matt Phillips might get itchy feet if Holloway moves on which looks likely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 02, 2012, 11:05:38 AM: Quote from: Clampy on November 02, 2012, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: johncvilla88 on November 02, 2012, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
.. I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
A winger?
Winger!??
Please!! - don't be mischievous.

Prefer Tom Ince...........

I like ince but I think there will be a few clubs interested in him- not sure Phillips is what we need but if bent goes he might be on the radar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2012, 11:11:38 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM

Fringpong

Will somebody please answer the bloody door.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 02, 2012, 11:27:29 AM: Question marks over Hoolahan's future at Norwich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2012, 11:46:46 AM: Well Lambert has said he's looking to make signings in January. So I'm hoping for a left back, centre mid and creative player of some description.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 11:52:22 AM: Quote from: not3bad on November 02, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Question marks over Hoolahan's future at Norwich.

Thought he was excellent against us last week, but not knowing too much about him I was surprised to read in the programme notes that he is 30.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 11:55:42 AM: Quote from: johncvilla88 on November 02, 2012, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2012, 01:20:23 AM
.. I still think a Bid for Nathan Redmond could be a decent move.
A winger?
Winger!??
Please!! - don't be mischievous.

Prefer Tom Ince...........

I would as well John, but I think Blackpool would want a lot of money for him. Saying that, I'm sure the Blues would also hike up the price for Redmond if we were interested.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 01:35:39 PM: Quote
Paul Lambert: “The squad needs to get bigger.”

Paul Lambert has confirmed that Villa will try to make the reinforcements they require in the January transfer window, saying: “The squad needs to get bigger.”

Lambert recruited seven new signings in the summer, bringing in Karim El Ahmadi, Matthew Lowton, Ron Vlaar, Jordan Bowery, Joe Bennett, Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke.

Brett Holman also arrived after agreeing a pre-contract agreement with the previous regime, while Brad Guzan re-signed after originally leaving the club last summer.

But Lambert regards Villa’s squad strengthening as an ongoing project and will ask chairman Randy Lerner for backing for further additions in the new year.

A recent central defensive injury crisis has highlighted to Lambert how the claret and blues lack options and cover in certain areas.

“The squad needs to get bigger,” said Lambert. “That is important as well. That’s normal. Everyone has to have competition for places. That is vital.

“It is like the centre-halves situation. We lose Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker and have to put Matt Lowton or Chris Herd back there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2012, 01:51:34 PM: I'm guessing by the price that a number of clubs were looking at Benteke but we jumped in and paid the money. I would like to think we could do the same with Ince.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 02, 2012, 01:52:46 PM: Unless he has decided that Richard Dunne has played his last game for the club, buying a centre back now would not make much sense.

Having to figure out who your 6th choice centre back is shouldn't be a trigger for spending money. Especially when you are struggling to find an effective first choice midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 01:56:59 PM: It could depend on how long the club think Dunne will be out. If they are pretty sure he's going to be out for a few more months it only leaves us with Vlaar, Clark and Baker as proper CB.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 02, 2012, 02:07:47 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
It could depend on how long the club think Dunne will be out. If they are pretty sure he's going to be out for a few more months it only leaves us with Vlaar, Clark and Baker as proper CB.

Dunne is close to returning to training this month and has made excellent progress in the last week- should be available sometime early in December.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 02:54:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 02, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
It could depend on how long the club think Dunne will be out. If they are pretty sure he's going to be out for a few more months it only leaves us with Vlaar, Clark and Baker as proper CB.

Dunne is close to returning to training this month and has made excellent progress in the last week- should be available sometime early in December.

He's hoping to return, there's a big difference. "'But I'm hoping - fingers crossed - that I can start training in a couple of weeks."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 02, 2012, 03:08:03 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 02, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
It could depend on how long the club think Dunne will be out. If they are pretty sure he's going to be out for a few more months it only leaves us with Vlaar, Clark and Baker as proper CB.

Dunne is close to returning to training this month and has made excellent progress in the last week- should be available sometime early in December.

He's hoping to return, there's a big difference. "'But I'm hoping - fingers crossed - that I can start training in a couple of weeks."

Operation went well so he seems to be on the road to recovery- far more pressing transfers matters are the midfield which needs quality and experience when the transfer market opens.

I wouldn't worry too much about defence as by January dunne should be back and we have Vlaar, Clark and baker as well as herd or Lowton as back up - we are just really unlucky right now that 3 of the main 4 central defenders have been injured at the same time - delighted to see Clark is fit now and hopefully baker will be soon as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 02, 2012, 04:37:05 PM: Someone mentioned Silvestre recently. Maybe until the end of the season as cover it would'nt be the worst idea in the world.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on November 02, 2012, 06:01:58 PM: I'd offer Delf, Bannan, and probably Delph for Ince.

From the small snippets i have seen of Ince he looks a very good prospect, with a very good attitude.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2012, 06:03:23 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 02, 2012, 04:37:05 PM
Someone mentioned Silvestre recently. Maybe until the end of the season as cover it would'nt be the worst idea in the world.
We could maybe get a two-for-one with Pires and Silveste together.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on November 02, 2012, 07:35:52 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM

Fringpong

Will somebody please answer the bloody door.

Who's there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 02, 2012, 07:42:55 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on November 02, 2012, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM

Fringpong

Will somebody please answer the bloody door.

Who's there?

Goan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2012, 08:30:08 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 02, 2012, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on November 02, 2012, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM

Fringpong

Will somebody please answer the bloody door.

Who's there?

Goan.

Sad I realise but I thought it was funny coming from someone called doorbell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 02, 2012, 08:37:27 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 02, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on November 02, 2012, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on November 02, 2012, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM

Fringpong

Will somebody please answer the bloody door.

Who's there?

Goan.

Sad I realise but I thought it was funny coming from someone called doorbell.

;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM: All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 02, 2012, 08:54:07 PM: The way Lambert was talking about Dunne the other day it sounded like Dunne could play against Sunderland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM: Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2012, 11:39:27 PM: have they mentioned we can't put another man in the squad until january anyway?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 03, 2012, 09:20:25 AM: Hoolahan was excellent at VP and out of contract in the summer ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 03, 2012, 09:24:48 AM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 03, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
Hoolahan was excellent at VP and out of contract in the summer ......

Would be a very good signing - didn't realise his contract was ending.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on November 03, 2012, 10:17:40 AM: Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.

Awesome central defender, injury prone with weak knees, but is awesome when fit. Pay as you play deal would be the best option with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 03, 2012, 10:21:24 AM: Quote from: Davey B on November 03, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.

Awesome central defender, injury prone with weak knees, but is awesome when fit. Pay as you play deal would be the best option with him.
Does he also like the odd gallon of Guinness ? M'lord.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2012, 12:01:11 PM: Quote from: Davey B on November 03, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.

Awesome central defender, injury prone with weak knees, but is awesome when fit. Pay as you play deal would be the best option with him.
Well, his medical record is a disaster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2012, 02:24:07 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 03, 2012, 09:24:48 AM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 03, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
Hoolahan was excellent at VP and out of contract in the summer ......

Would be a very good signing - didn't realise his contract was ending.

Could see this one happening as he has played for Lambert before. He is 30, but I think he would offer a lot more than Ireland and N'Zogbia, and would be on a lot less money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2012, 05:35:16 PM: Hoolahan would be a bloody decent option over Ireland in the formation we played against Sunderland today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2012, 05:49:44 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 02, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
have they mentioned we can't put another man in the squad until january anyway?

It would be against EU employment law for free agents to not be allowed to sign for a club and play for them so there must be a way. Not that I believe the rumour - just a point I'm waiting to see get challenged.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2012, 05:51:09 PM: Quote from: OCD on November 03, 2012, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 02, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
have they mentioned we can't put another man in the squad until january anyway?

It would be against EU employment law for free agents to not be allowed to sign for a club and play for them so there must be a way. Not that I believe the rumour - just a point I'm waiting to see get challenged.

Only if you haven't selected 25 players. If you've left a space you can sign free agents.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2012, 05:54:56 PM: I imagine we don't have a full 25 man squad because of the ages of a lot of our squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on November 03, 2012, 07:13:58 PM: We have space in our squad, if true we can add him.

Hoolahan would be a very good signing for us, would like to see that happen in Jan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on November 03, 2012, 07:46:35 PM: At 30, I'm not convinced he's the sort of player we will be going for. Good player, mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on November 03, 2012, 10:21:43 PM: Ya. If he was a couple of years younger I'd snap him up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2012, 11:08:47 PM: We registered a full 25, so unless given special dispensation it is not going to change. We didn't strictly need to register those under 21 but think we did.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 04, 2012, 01:33:32 AM: Aston Villa - 25 squad players
Player Home Grown
1 Agbonlahor, Gabriel Yes
2 Albrighton, Marc Kevin Yes
3 Bannan, Barry Yes
4 Bent, Darren Ashley Yes
5 Clark, Ciaran Yes
6 Delph, Fabian Yes
7 Dunne, Richard Patrick Yes
8 El Ahmadi Aroussi, Karim No
9 Given, Shay John James Yes
10 Guzan, Bradley Edwin No
11 Herd, Christopher Yes
12 Holman, Brett No
13 Hutton, Alan No
14 Ireland, Stephen James Yes
15 Lichaj, Eric Joseph Yes
16 Lowton, Matthew John Yes
17 Westwood, Ashley Roy Yes
18 Marshall, Andrew John Yes
19 N'Zogbia, Charles Yes
20 Petrov, Stiliyian Alyoshev No
21 Stevens, Enda No
22 Vlaar, Ron Peter No
23 Warnock, Stephen Yes
24 Bennett, Joseph Yes
25 Benteke, Christian No

Aston Villa - Under 21 players (Contract and Scholars)
Baker, Nathan Luke
Barrett, Calum Alastair
Barton, Joshua
Bateman, Liam Vere
Bowery, Jordan
Burke, Graham Dylan
Calder, Riccardo
Cameron, Courtney Lee
Carruthers, Samir Badre
Cowans, Henry Gordon Mander
Delfouneso, Nathan
Dempsey, Robin
Devine, Daniel Patrick
Donacien, Janoi
Drennan, Michael Joseph
Eminoglu, Umit
Gardner, Gary
Graham, Jordan
Grealish, Jack
Hill, Craig Dennis
Johnson, Daniel Anthony
Kinsella, Lewis
Lewis, Bradley
Melvin, Malcolm Graham
Nelson, Michael
O'Brien, Daniel William
Robinson, Callum Jack
Sellars, Jerell
Siegrist, Benjamin Kevin
Steiber, Andras
Stevenson, Oliver
Strain, Thomas James
Toner, Kevin Stephen
Ward, Charlie
Watkins, Mason Bradley
Watkins, Bradley
Webb, Joshua John
Weimann, Andreas
Wildin, Courtney James
Williams, Daniel Ashley
Williams, Derrick
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 04, 2012, 08:43:41 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 03, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
We registered a full 25, so unless given special dispensation it is not going to change. We didn't strictly need to register those under 21 but think we did.

Does Warnock being out on loan make a difference and free up his registration place?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on November 04, 2012, 09:01:06 AM: Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.

The fella who was at Portsmouth a few years ago?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2012, 09:01:13 AM: I don't think so, unless it is on a long term deal but thought was only a 3 month thing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 04, 2012, 03:12:38 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on November 04, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on November 02, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
All the Twitter ITK BSers seem to be sure that we're in talks with a free agent CB.

We'll see..

The man is John Mensah.

The fella who was at Portsmouth a few years ago?

Slumberland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 04, 2012, 03:16:59 PM: I would have thought Bolton would have to have added him to their squad until January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 04, 2012, 03:34:07 PM: Shouldn't have registered Petrov.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2012, 05:29:01 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on November 04, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
Shouldn't have registered Petrov.

Or Hutton and Warnock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2012, 07:07:37 PM: Not sure on Holahoon, I'm still convinced if we do sign someone from Norwich it will be Pilkington.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 04, 2012, 08:40:09 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Not sure on Holahoon, I'm still convinced if we do sign someone from Norwich it will be Pilkington.

I think Hoolahan is a very good, underrated player.

I don't think Norwich are going to want to sell us any players for a while, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 04, 2012, 08:43:30 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 04, 2012, 08:40:09 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Not sure on Holahoon, I'm still convinced if we do sign someone from Norwich it will be Pilkington.

I think Hoolahan is a very good, underrated player.

I don't think Norwich are going to want to sell us any players for a while, though.

I'm not sure he's very inconsistent according to my Norwich supporting mate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 05, 2012, 06:56:03 PM: The squad registration is only till January then we have to pick another.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:58 AM: Is that right that Lambert was at the Hawthorns last night? If so, i wonder who he was watching?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2012, 10:24:59 AM: Hopefully Mulumbu.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 06, 2012, 11:56:11 AM: Maybe Adam Lallana from Southampton? Hopefully he was also sitting there thinking "how did we manage to lose 4-1 to this shower?".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on November 06, 2012, 01:05:20 PM: Hopefully Lallana or, even better, James Morrison. Get him in our midfield, please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 06, 2012, 01:19:54 PM: I wouldn't be surprised if he buys more players from abroad due being cheaper with lower wages. That being said I wouldn't mind him getting midfielder with premier league experience but those are hard to come by with reasonable fee and wages.

More experienced left-back would be nice too since Warnock is clearly goner.

We're probably one or two players short of being a top-half side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 06, 2012, 01:40:28 PM: I don't think he'll sign a left back. Centre midfield and an attacking wide player I reckon.

Centre back if he shfits Dunne too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 06, 2012, 01:53:58 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on November 06, 2012, 01:40:28 PM
Centre midfield and an attacking wide player I reckon.
Both absolutely vital I reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 06, 2012, 01:58:54 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:58 AM
Is that right that Lambert was at the Hawthorns last night? If so, i wonder who he was watching?

So was MON probably looking at the same players/player .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on November 06, 2012, 05:24:56 PM: For me the priority is as good a central midfielder as we can afford, and if we can a good Inside Forward to play off Benteke.Maybe Marin from Chelsk.

I've always been a big Dorrans though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 06, 2012, 05:46:53 PM: Girl's blouse I'd have said.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on November 06, 2012, 06:47:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:58 AM
Is that right that Lambert was at the Hawthorns last night? If so, i wonder who he was watching?

West Brom? Don't we play them in January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2012, 06:47:44 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 06, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
Girl's blouse I'd have said.

Barbara Streisand fan would be my call.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 06, 2012, 06:48:42 PM: Snigger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on November 06, 2012, 06:57:54 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on November 06, 2012, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:58 AM
Is that right that Lambert was at the Hawthorns last night? If so, i wonder who he was watching?

West Brom? Don't we play them in January?

Adam Lallana hopefully.........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2012, 07:12:31 PM: Lallana is a great short, good player and fits the bill in terms of age, potential, attitude, etc.

Doubt southampton will let him go cheap though, reckon we'd be looking at a figure around the same as benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 06, 2012, 07:29:26 PM: I think we've got enough great short players. Maybe we should be looking for someone taller?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 06, 2012, 07:57:49 PM: This guy might be worth looking at. He's 21 and is highly regarded. He's been linked with Man U but I could see us being an ideal stepping stone into the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Wanyama
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 06, 2012, 08:31:27 PM: Iniesta was impressed enough to ask Wanyama to swap shirts with him after the match.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on November 06, 2012, 09:02:46 PM: http://www.birminghammail.net/sport/football/football-news/is-maribor-striker-robert-beric-on-his-way-289909

http://www.ibtimes.com/sportsnet/aston-villa-transfer-rumors-why-pierre-emerick-aubameyang-ideal-signing-858640
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 06, 2012, 09:06:09 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 06, 2012, 07:57:49 PM
This guy might be worth looking at. He's 21 and is highly regarded. He's been linked with Man U but I could see us being an ideal stepping stone into the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Wanyama
He also turned us down to go to Celtic in 2011. I can't see him being that keen to come here now if he didn't want to then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2012, 12:31:03 AM: Quote from: JJ-AV on November 06, 2012, 01:40:28 PM
I don't think he'll sign a left back. Centre midfield and an attacking wide player I reckon.

Centre back if he shfits Dunne too.

Agree with that JJ, though I think Dunne will stay until the summer. If we do stick with the 4-2-3-1 formation, then a physical presence in central midfield (someone like James McCarthy from Wigan) and an attacking wide player / forward (someone like Tom Ince) would be all we would need in January. If N'Zogbia can sort himself out, then we probably wouldn't need the latter, but I don't have too much hope about that happening. A player who could cover both full-back positions (someone like Kyle Naughton) would be good, but is not a necessity. The rest can wait until the summer.

Edit: I dont watch much foreign football so have suggested domestic examples of the type of players I would like us to sign. I'm sure there are foreign players who are equally as good if not better as those mentioned who we could probably get for a lot less.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on November 07, 2012, 09:08:26 AM: I'm sure I read last week that Celtic have put something silly as Wanyama's transfer value - in the region of £25m!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on November 07, 2012, 02:26:14 PM: I'm hoping for the guy we were linked with on dead line day, Wilfried Bony. Best name ever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 07, 2012, 04:48:21 PM: We were linked with Zarate around deadline day weren't we? Wonder if there was anything in that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 07, 2012, 05:27:45 PM: Hope so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on November 07, 2012, 05:45:47 PM: Hot young swedish thing at the Villa, sorry if it has already been posted...

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8228863/Aston-Villa-have-handed-a-trial-to-Swedish-starlet-Ihab-Naser
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villaparkb6 on November 07, 2012, 08:10:29 PM: Quite a few sources around the net picked up on the Pierre Aubameyang link including the mail, been banging them in for St Ettienne apparently, might be some mileage in this one ( only might ) ant say i know anything about him, is there anyone who does ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2012, 08:33:30 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 07, 2012, 12:31:03 AM
... If N'Zogbia can sort himself out, then we probably wouldn't need the latter, but I don't have too much hope about that happening...
I suspect N'Zog will be used in some sort of player-swap deal sometime soon (hopefully January).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on November 07, 2012, 10:31:13 PM: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229519/Abdoulaye-Ba-watched-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2012, 06:38:28 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 07, 2012, 08:33:30 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 07, 2012, 12:31:03 AM
... If N'Zogbia can sort himself out, then we probably wouldn't need the latter, but I don't have too much hope about that happening...
I suspect N'Zog will be used in some sort of player-swap deal sometime soon (hopefully January).

Yeah that feels like it could be right. Same with Bent maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 08, 2012, 07:44:15 AM: Quote from: Clampy on November 06, 2012, 10:02:58 AM
Is that right that Lambert was at the Hawthorns last night? If so, i wonder who he was watching?
Express and Star says it was defender Gareth McCauley
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on November 08, 2012, 12:43:27 PM: Ranking Europe's top strikers (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/42184/hat-tricks-for-sale-ranking-europes-top-strikers)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on November 08, 2012, 12:44:25 PM: I must say I'm looking forward to the transfer window, fuck me I haven't thought like that for a while!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on November 08, 2012, 02:18:12 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on November 08, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
I must say I'm looking forward to the transfer window, fuck me I haven't thought like that for a while!

I wouldn't build your hopes up too high. I hope there will be 2 signings coming in, but perhaps I am being optimistic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 08, 2012, 02:48:41 PM: I would be surprised if Lambert would not buy anyone since he already said we need more players.

Edit: whops, forgot one word X)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2012, 03:02:04 PM: I think I know what you mean Jarpie, and I agree. I'm also looking forward to the transfer window, I think PL's bought well so far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 08, 2012, 07:01:58 PM: Don't know if this guy's been mentioned yet.

http://www.mirror.co...ameyang-1415962
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on November 08, 2012, 07:40:38 PM: Who is he Nige, your link just took me to a dating site?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2012, 07:52:59 PM: Good luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2012, 08:11:36 AM: I am looking forward to January too. Can see 3-4 more arriving, and a couple of obvious ones being on their bike.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 09, 2012, 08:57:38 AM: Quote from: The Left Side on November 08, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
Who is he Nige, your link just took me to a dating site?

Don't know what went wrong there, mate.
It was supposed to go to a report on Pierre Aubameyang
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 09, 2012, 12:16:28 PM: Quote from: nigel on November 09, 2012, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: The Left Side on November 08, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
Who is he Nige, your link just took me to a dating site?

Don't know what went wrong there, mate.
It was supposed to go to a report on Pierre Aubameyang

He seems a nice guy and evidently we were well matched. Meeting him for a drink before heading to a restaurant next thursday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on November 09, 2012, 04:07:39 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 09, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 09, 2012, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: The Left Side on November 08, 2012, 07:40:38 PM
Who is he Nige, your link just took me to a dating site?

Don't know what went wrong there, mate.
It was supposed to go to a report on Pierre Aubameyang

He seems a nice guy and evidently we were well matched. Meeting him for a drink before heading to a restaurant next thursday.

Bastard told me he was busy washing his hair and cancelled our date.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 10, 2012, 01:33:39 PM: Think it was my love of musical theatre that swung it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on November 10, 2012, 08:43:02 PM: Hitz made his Everton debut today - there's a signing I missed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on November 11, 2012, 06:37:27 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on November 07, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229519/Abdoulaye-Ba-watched-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Ba is class, would love to see him come in.
Exciting being linked with strikers when we don't even really need any!
I just fancy anyone Lambert has his eye on to be quality, such a nice change from MON.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM: If true that hoolahans contract ends in July then I would be happy to see lambert bring him in as he looks a decent midfielder who would be available for little cost , if bent goes then we probably will need another striker in to replace him but things are looking a lot healthier than a fortnight ago- I think he has hit on a system that suits the players now and we are beginning to see good signs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 11, 2012, 07:08:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
If true that hoolahans contract ends in July then I would be happy to see lambert bring him in as he looks a decent midfielder who would be available for little cost , if bent goes then we probably will need another striker in to replace him but things are looking a lot healthier than a fortnight ago- I think he has hit on a system that suits the players now and we are beginning to see good signs.

Hoolahan is already 30, wouldn't want another 30 year old player on long contract. Better to look at players who are 24-28.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:25:32 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on November 11, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
If true that hoolahans contract ends in July then I would be happy to see lambert bring him in as he looks a decent midfielder who would be available for little cost , if bent goes then we probably will need another striker in to replace him but things are looking a lot healthier than a fortnight ago- I think he has hit on a system that suits the players now and we are beginning to see good signs.

Hoolahan is already 30, wouldn't want another 30 year old player on long contract. Better to look at players who are 24-28.

Two year contract would be fine - we need a bit of experience and he would probably cost less than £2m with his deal running out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2012, 07:27:52 PM: Think Norwich have a years option on his contract.

Said it a million times but the one to get from Norwich is Pilkington.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 11, 2012, 07:34:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on November 11, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
If true that hoolahans contract ends in July then I would be happy to see lambert bring him in as he looks a decent midfielder who would be available for little cost , if bent goes then we probably will need another striker in to replace him but things are looking a lot healthier than a fortnight ago- I think he has hit on a system that suits the players now and we are beginning to see good signs.

Hoolahan is already 30, wouldn't want another 30 year old player on long contract. Better to look at players who are 24-28.

Two year contract would be fine - we need a bit of experience and he would probably cost less than £2m with his deal running out.

You say we need experience, but all of Hoolahan's experience is in the lower leagues bar this season and last. He does look a good player but I can't see how he's much different from the players we have now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 11, 2012, 07:46:11 PM: Hoolahan will not sign a two year at Villa. That'd never happen with a 30 year old player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2012, 07:57:04 PM: Nothing wrong with signing a 30 year old. It's making sure it's a 30 year old that will give value for money that's more important. Anyone regret Villa signing a 30 year old Andy Townsend?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 11, 2012, 08:14:14 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 11, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
Hoolahan will not sign a two year at Villa. That'd never happen with a 30 year old player.

Loads of 30 yr old players sign 2 year contracts- maybe an extra yr option - why would he never leave a club like Norwich for villa , a much bigger club with a manager who he loved playing for and bigger wages , great fan base and stadium?

The days of signing older players on 5 yr contracts should be over as we have had our fingers burnt often enough.

Norwich may well go down in any case in which case pilkington may be on the radar too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 11, 2012, 08:15:35 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on November 11, 2012, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on November 07, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229519/Abdoulaye-Ba-watched-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Ba is class, would love to see him come in.
Exciting being linked with strikers when we don't even really need any!
I just fancy anyone Lambert has his eye on to be quality, such a nice change from MON.

Striker? He's a defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 11, 2012, 08:16:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 11, 2012, 08:14:14 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 11, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
Hoolahan will not sign a two year at Villa. That'd never happen with a 30 year old player.

Loads of 30 yr old players sign 2 year contracts- maybe an extra yr option - why would he never leave a club like Norwich for villa , a much bigger club with a manager who he loved playing for and bigger wages ?

okay I'll bow down to your greater knowledge but I cannot think of any off the top of my head.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on November 11, 2012, 08:24:26 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on November 11, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on November 11, 2012, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on November 07, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229519/Abdoulaye-Ba-watched-Aston-Villa.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Ba is class, would love to see him come in.
Exciting being linked with strikers when we don't even really need any!
I just fancy anyone Lambert has his eye on to be quality, such a nice change from MON.

Striker? He's a defender.
Yeah I know wasn't talking about Demba! But I can see how that read!
Was just replying to the link about Ba the defender who looks like a real prospect, saw a Youtube compilation last week (he looks quality) but also saying how exciting it is to be linked with strikers like Aubameyang
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2012, 10:59:39 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Nothing wrong with signing a 30 year old. It's making sure it's a 30 year old that will give value for money that's more important. Anyone regret Villa signing a 30 year old Andy Townsend?

It's all about value for money, especially now the way the finances are. We got good value from 30 year olds like Townsend and Merson. Far less so from Emile Heskey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on November 12, 2012, 12:57:51 PM: Solano must have been around thirty when we picked him up. got one good year out of him, then got our money back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2012, 01:28:11 PM: I'm all for the youth revolution but if you strategicially place a couple of older heads amongst this lot it will do us the world of good. Older heads that are good influences as opposed to some of the disruptive wankers we've had in recent memory. That's why losing Petrov has been such a blow. We need a couple opf players whether they are starters or those that come of the bench to add some stability and depth to the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2012, 02:26:55 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 12, 2012, 01:28:11 PM
I'm all for the youth revolution but if you strategicially place a couple of older heads amongst this lot it will do us the world of good. Older heads that are good influences as opposed to some of the disruptive wankers we've had in recent memory. That's why losing Petrov has been such a blow. We need a couple opf players whether they are starters or those that come of the bench to add some stability and depth to the squad.

At this point, I would say that we need starters who can come straight into the side and hit the ground running. We have enough squad players who can do a job for the odd game and now need quality players who will go straight into the side like the aforementioned Townsend and Merson did.

I know it's going over old ground it's not going to happen, but after watching Man City play yesterday I was thinking how Gareth Barry would be the ideal fit in our midfield at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on November 12, 2012, 03:33:15 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 12, 2012, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 12, 2012, 01:28:11 PM
I'm all for the youth revolution but if you strategicially place a couple of older heads amongst this lot it will do us the world of good. Older heads that are good influences as opposed to some of the disruptive wankers we've had in recent memory. That's why losing Petrov has been such a blow. We need a couple opf players whether they are starters or those that come of the bench to add some stability and depth to the squad.

At this point, I would say that we need starters who can come straight into the side and hit the ground running. We have enough squad players who can do a job for the odd game and now need quality players who will go straight into the side like the aforementioned Townsend and Merson did.

I know it's going over old ground it's not going to happen, but after watching Man City play yesterday I was thinking how Gareth Barry would be the ideal fit in our midfield at the moment.

Your right. And again it's never going to happen. Barry and Westwood as the two in midfield would be perfect.

I really like the look of Ashley Westwood. He looks like someone we've been waiting for for years. Really hope he keeps his place in the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2012, 05:59:14 PM: I don't know why but Westwood has'nt really stood out for me yet. Whether that's because he's gone about his job quitely and is doing all the simple work in the middle i don't know. The midfield does look decent at the moment though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2012, 06:07:04 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 12, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
I don't know why but Westwood has'nt really stood out for me yet. Whether that's because he's gone about his job quitely and is doing all the simple work in the middle i don't know. The midfield does look decent at the moment though.

On Talkshite this morning they said that he'd covered more ground than anyone else on he pitch according to Opta.

Might explain the improvement in the last two performances. If he turns into a 21st century Kevin Richardson that would be lovely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 12, 2012, 06:19:22 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 12, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
I don't know why but Westwood has'nt really stood out for me yet. Whether that's because he's gone about his job quitely and is doing all the simple work in the middle i don't know. The midfield does look decent at the moment though.

Glad you said that Clampy. Because i have not seen this revelation every body else seems to be watching. I believe he has potential, but we said that about Bannan a couple of years ago. KEA has more about his game and i cannot see Westwood score a goal like KEA`s against Everton anytime soon and we need our midfield to contribute to our overall goals tally .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 12, 2012, 06:43:36 PM: I think Westwood has been excellent and he is going about his business quietly but he's a huge reason why our midfield has improved so much. His retention of the ball is hugely helpful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 12, 2012, 06:49:28 PM: I think Westwood will get a few goals, but I think his main contribution to us will be his ability to spot the easy pass ( a very difficult skill ) and move the ball on productively, he will become one of those players when we only appreciate his real worth when he is not there, a bit like Petrov, he was the flogging boy for how many years , until we realised what he brought to the side when he was missing.I dont know who, but we need a monster in midfield who can win the ball and pass with creativity when required. Over to the people who get paid by AVFC to find that player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2012, 06:52:13 PM: He keeps the ball. For a little un' he wins the ball and stays on his feet. He also has a reasuring calmness about him. No panic.

Plus he has good vision and seems to be picking a pass in dangerous places.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 12, 2012, 06:55:39 PM: Exactly as I say it's no coincidence that him coming into our team and the shift in formation have led to recent improved performances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 06:57:00 PM: The most impressive part of westwoods game on Saturday was his direction and organisation of the other players. A leader type influence in midfield is something we have missed since stan became ill and is brilliant from such a young player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 12, 2012, 06:59:17 PM: Just hoping the new scouting team have identified players we need to move the team to the next level. The midfield did look better but we need a Malumbu (WBA) type player along with an attacking LB with pace also wide players who can create space and get balls into Benteke/Gabby/Bent ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 12, 2012, 07:00:46 PM: Quote from: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
The most impressive part of westwoods game on Saturday was his direction and organisation of the other players. A leader type influence in midfield is something we have missed since stan became ill and is brilliant from such a young player.

He was made captain at Crewe which for someone his age is quite an achievement , I feel he will go on to become a really top player here at villa and everything I've read and heard about him at Crewe has been positive- a really excellent signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2012, 07:10:31 PM: I hope my original post did'nt come across that I don't rate the guy. I was just trying to say that so far I have'nt come away from the two games he's started and thought 'westwood had a great game today'. That's fine though because he's made an impression on a lot of others which is good and the midfield at the moment does look a lot more mobile and energetic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 12, 2012, 07:13:53 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 12, 2012, 07:10:31 PM
I hope my original post did'nt come across that I don't rate the guy. I was just trying to say that so far I have'nt come away from the two games he's started and thought 'westwood had a great game today'. That's fine though because he's made an impression on a lot of others which is good and the midfield at the moment does look a lot more mobile and energetic.

I thought he was very good against Sunderland and I like the way he tries to move the ball forward which helps us build momentum, kea tends to go sideways or backwards and while they could probably play together I would prefer Westwood to kea - I think we have a future captain in him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2012, 07:36:01 PM: KEA has took a bit of stick lately but he's still adjusting to new league, and I think he's got the tools to be a big player for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2012, 07:52:28 PM: The summariser was raving about Westwood at Sunderland on the stream I watched. Some old bluenose it was.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2012, 08:02:23 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
The summariser was raving about Westwood at Sunderland on the stream I watched. Some old bluenose it was.

Sturridge?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 12, 2012, 08:14:44 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 12, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
The summariser was raving about Westwood at Sunderland on the stream I watched. Some old bluenose it was.

Sturridge?

Horne?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2012, 08:14:50 PM: Quote from: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
The most impressive part of westwoods game on Saturday was his direction and organisation of the other players. A leader type influence in midfield is something we have missed since stan became ill and is brilliant from such a young player.

At Slumberland he was the one with five minutes to go, flapping his arms to motion the midfield to step up higher and not sit so deep.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 08:28:31 PM: Quote from: Ads on November 12, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
The most impressive part of westwoods game on Saturday was his direction and organisation of the other players. A leader type influence in midfield is something we have missed since stan became ill and is brilliant from such a young player.

At Slumberland he was the one with five minutes to go, flapping his arms to motion the midfield to step up higher and not sit so deep.

Yeah he was doing this again on Saturday. He also had a go at getting the Holte going a bit when he came to take a corner near the end of the game!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2012, 09:19:24 PM: Yes, Barry Horne, that's the one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 12, 2012, 10:53:56 PM: Quote from: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 12, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on November 12, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
The most impressive part of westwoods game on Saturday was his direction and organisation of the other players. A leader type influence in midfield is something we have missed since stan became ill and is brilliant from such a young player.

At Slumberland he was the one with five minutes to go, flapping his arms to motion the midfield to step up higher and not sit so deep.

Yeah he was doing this again on Saturday. He also had a go at getting the Holte going a bit when he came to take a corner near the end of the game!

Good to hear this. We need more leaders on the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on November 13, 2012, 09:48:52 AM: How many people over the years have said that Carrick is no good? Well how many games has he played for United? Fergie rates him and Westwood says that he has modelled himself on Carrick. Someone who is always available to receive a pass and then move it on, and as has been said, mostly forwards which helps to build momentum. Also means that the front men can make a run knowing that he will probably find them, not wait to see what he is going to do with it before making a move.

He will never stand out as the "star" man who catches the headlines and everyone leaves the ground saying what a brilliant match he had, but he could well be worth his weight in gold for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 13, 2012, 10:53:19 AM: I know what you mean. Still, Carrick is a gutless wanker. Westwood will keep the ball moving but typically won't just pass for the sake of it, even when clear in space, like Carrick does.

Sorry, I can't stand him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on November 13, 2012, 12:19:49 PM: He can pass the ball though Maz.

Westwood looks to play the ball out, thats the difference between him and Delph/Herd etc, but the fact he has Ireland and Weimann in front of him who are constantly looking for space, and the first CF we have had for a while who can actually hold the ball up, then i suppose his job has been made a bit easier.Looks a good prospect though, and how much did Carrick go for £20m?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 13, 2012, 01:17:08 PM: More talk of Frimpong being available on a free transfer at the end of this season in the gossip column.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2012, 01:27:47 PM: The bloke at Wolves we were supposed to be looking at looks decent. By that, I mean he's scored a couple of good goals when I've seen their highlights. Sako is it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on November 13, 2012, 01:28:22 PM: Frimpong tweeted that he was going out on loan this week. Didn't say where tho'. I'd assume Ipswich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on November 13, 2012, 01:31:22 PM: I love the Michael Carrick debates.

When England crash out of major international tournament, it's always: 'why don't we have players who can just pass the ball and keep it?'

When Carrick next plays it's always: 'he didn't do much, did he? Just passed the ball around.... didn't go past a player...'

Great stuff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2012, 01:36:36 PM: Quote from: Merv on November 13, 2012, 01:31:22 PM
I love the Michael Carrick debates.

When England crash out of major international tournament, it's always: 'why don't we have players who can just pass the ball and keep it?'

When Carrick next plays it's always: 'he didn't do much, did he? Just passed the ball around.... didn't go past a player...'

Great stuff.

That's very true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2012, 01:39:05 PM: We've had the same debate after Villa games. Petrov used to get a lot of criticism with people saying he only ever passed sideways or backward. He was someone you could be confident wouldn't lose the ball though and he's been a massive loss. I think in Westwood we have someone who is now filling that gap and we have looked a lot better since he came into the side. Bannan and Westwood seem to be compliment eachother too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 13, 2012, 02:11:37 PM: The problem I have with Carrick isn't that he passes the ball in any particular direction, its that he passes it regardless of his positioning. He often finds himself in acres of space yet still just gives it to the next man. What's the point? If you're in space, use it, take the ball forward. That's why I call him gutless. He doesn't want to drive forward and then find a pass, even when its wide open.

Anyway, fuck Carrick. I've said enough about that gormless eejit over the years.
Frimpong would be good. Just the sort of player we need. Capable, mobile, strong and with that drive we need too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2012, 03:03:09 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on November 13, 2012, 01:17:08 PM
More talk of Frimpong being available on a free transfer at the end of this season in the gossip column.

I'd definitely go for him, looks a really good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 13, 2012, 03:35:59 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on November 13, 2012, 01:17:08 PM
More talk of Frimpong being available on a free transfer at the end of this season in the gossip column.

I'd definitely go for him, looks a really good player.

Agreed , seems to have lost his way a bit at arsenal and we could be the perfect fit for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2012, 03:45:36 PM: Frimpong bossed the game against us before Petrov kicked him in the eye. I like him. Good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 13, 2012, 03:59:17 PM: Frimpong rubbished the talk on his twitter yesterday. He said he's not in the last year of his deal and he's going out on loan soon (assuming he means to a Championship club).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM: has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 13, 2012, 04:10:15 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on November 13, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
Frimpong rubbished the talk on his twitter yesterday. He said he's not in the last year of his deal and he's going out on loan soon (assuming he means to a Championship club).

So we may have to buy him- still worth signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 13, 2012, 04:10:36 PM: News to me. Seems like the sort of player we could do with though.
A bit of flair, something different.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2012, 04:11:53 PM: Have we ever had a player that goes with one name? If not, then we should sign him just based on that. We nearly Juninho many moons ago off course
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 13, 2012, 04:13:50 PM: Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

Do we need another attacking player? We have an awful lot of optons in both attacking midfield and forward options. I think we need to work on firming up our spine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2012, 04:20:18 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 13, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

Do we need another attacking player? We have an awful lot of optons in both attacking midfield and forward options. I think we need to work on firming up our spine.

we should always be looking to upgrade what we have. It's not as if our midfield can't stop scoring goals. That's a major issue as much as defending leads is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2012, 04:23:21 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 13, 2012, 04:11:53 PM
Have we ever had a player that goes with one name? If not, then we should sign him just based on that. We nearly Juninho many moons ago off course

Djemba-Djemba? Hang on...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 13, 2012, 04:59:23 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 13, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on November 13, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

Do we need another attacking player? We have an awful lot of optons in both attacking midfield and forward options. I think we need to work on firming up our spine.

we should always be looking to upgrade what we have. It's not as if our midfield can't stop scoring goals. That's a major issue as much as defending leads is.

Of course, that's true. Just that for where we are now I think we could do with beefing up midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on November 13, 2012, 05:33:49 PM: Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2012, 05:46:40 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 13, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

Do we need another attacking player? We have an awful lot of optons in both attacking midfield and forward options. I think we need to work on firming up our spine.
When we've offloaded Bent, N'Zog, Ireland and Delfouneso, yes!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 13, 2012, 07:20:49 PM: Don't know if this has been mentioned.

Swedish Lad Kalhed Abdo.

The likes of Fulham and Hamburg have been chasing Abdo, but Villa have agreed a deal for the 16-year-old.

Abdo came to Villa's attention after impressing for Swedish Second Division outfit Larje-Angered and he is relishing the chance of joining the Premier League club.

"Back in September I found out that Aston Villa wanted to recruit me," Abdo told fotbolltransfers.com. "I'm happy, it feels good.

"I will play with the U18 team but hope to move up to the reserves as soon as possible. I feel I can handle the pace here so I want to take the step from U18 to reserves within a year.

"Aston Villa graduate often players for the first team. Their academy is the best of those I was with. I feel that I can best develop here.

"The goal is to step up to the first team and then maybe move on to a bigger club."

What a plonker, bigger club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 13, 2012, 07:43:46 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on November 13, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

That's utter utter class
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on November 13, 2012, 07:44:57 PM: there is a thread on him on the discussion page but yes a bit of a plonker for saying that, he will change his mind once he has been here a while.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 07:55:07 PM: Tom Ross on his goalzone page says he's looking into reports that we're interested in Craig Gordon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 13, 2012, 07:56:50 PM: We must have a buyer for Given in January then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 13, 2012, 08:03:38 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Tom Ross on his goalzone page says he's looking into reports that we're interested in Craig Gordon.

Not sure would he want to play second fiddle for Guzan as he lost his place to other keepers in Sunderland, I can see him moving to some championship team to restart his career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 08:10:03 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on November 13, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Tom Ross on his goalzone page says he's looking into reports that we're interested in Craig Gordon.

Not sure would he want to play second fiddle for Guzan as he lost his place to other keepers in Sunderland, I can see him moving to some championship team to restart his career.

You might be right. Judging by the type of player Lambert has gone for so far, he might have his eye on a younger keeper if he is looking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on November 13, 2012, 09:59:29 PM: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mls-expert-gives-the-lowdown-on-the-possibility-305267

you have to love the imagination of the mail with this one. (big sigh).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 13, 2012, 10:22:29 PM: The Evening Mail seem to be on a different planet concerning whats going on at Villa Park and Lamberts philosophy. Keane was brilliant for us last season but now Lambert has changed the route on how we need to progress. Perhaps they need to go to a few press conferences and listen .....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM: Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?
Can't see that happening under the austere Lambert regime
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 13, 2012, 11:26:42 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on November 13, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Tom Ross on his goalzone page says he's looking into reports that we're interested in Craig Gordon.

Not sure would he want to play second fiddle for Guzan as he lost his place to other keepers in Sunderland, I can see him moving to some championship team to restart his career.

You might be right. Judging by the type of player Lambert has gone for so far, he might have his eye on a younger keeper if he is looking.

Hopefully Siegrist can make the step up and save us the time and money bringing another keeper in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2012, 11:28:25 PM: Lambert won't want to bring in a player for such a short amount of time only for him to use it as pre-season training. It would be good to find a younger version of Keane though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 13, 2012, 11:37:47 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 13, 2012, 11:26:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on November 13, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 13, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Tom Ross on his goalzone page says he's looking into reports that we're interested in Craig Gordon.

Not sure would he want to play second fiddle for Guzan as he lost his place to other keepers in Sunderland, I can see him moving to some championship team to restart his career.

You might be right. Judging by the type of player Lambert has gone for so far, he might have his eye on a younger keeper if he is looking.

Hopefully Siegrist can make the step up and save us the time and money bringing another keeper in.

I've seen his name thrown around a few times but I have literally no idea what Siegrist is like. As our current young prospect keeper, does anyone know if he's any good?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 13, 2012, 11:47:50 PM: He's potentially very good. Very tall, great reflexes, calm and commands his area. Was also part of the Swiss team that won the U17 world cup a few years back.
Still very young but I'd expect him to be number 2 at least in a couple of years if he continues as he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 13, 2012, 11:47:50 PM: Perhaps we're taking Gordon in part-exchange for Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 13, 2012, 11:54:14 PM: I'd hope not as Gordon doesn't have a club at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2012, 11:56:03 PM: Gordon wouldn't be a bad number two on a free; his wages will be comparatively low and we've had worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 14, 2012, 12:00:10 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on November 13, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on November 13, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
has this been picked up anywhere else?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/11/12/aston-villa-target-8m-rated-in-form-brazilian-attacker-taison/

That's utter utter class

Albrighton scored a better goal than that last night for the U21's!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 14, 2012, 01:20:52 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2012, 11:56:03 PM
Gordon wouldn't be a bad number two on a free; his wages will be comparatively low and we've had worse.

I wonder where Shay is heading then? QPR?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 14, 2012, 02:40:01 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 14, 2012, 01:20:52 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2012, 11:56:03 PM
Gordon wouldn't be a bad number two on a free; his wages will be comparatively low and we've had worse.

I wonder where Shay is heading then? QPR?

Doubt it Maz. They've got that Julio Cesar bloke who's really quite good. Can't think of many cluhs who'd take on his age and salary. Celtic comes to mind if the sell the keeper they've got who's had a blinder in the CL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 14, 2012, 04:51:23 AM: Reading?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 14, 2012, 07:06:43 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 13, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
He's potentially very good. Very tall, great reflexes, calm and commands his area. Was also part of the Swiss team that won the U17 world cup a few years back.
Still very young but I'd expect him to be number 2 at least in a couple of years if he continues as he is.

The Swiss are meant to be the new Belgium with regards to having the next batch of promising youngsters coming through.
We should get him to ask a few of his mates to join villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 14, 2012, 07:41:44 AM: Can't really see why gordon would be of interest to us ,unless of course shay has intimated that he would like to leave, he would struggle to get near these wages but maybe just wants to play football at this stage in his career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on November 14, 2012, 08:01:51 AM: Can someone remind me how many millions it was rumoured we were going to pay for him a few years back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 14, 2012, 08:08:34 AM: Strange how many chose to believe that we were going to pay millions for Gordon, McGeady and Keane, and pennies for Cabaye and other assorted superstars, when we have no idea if any of it is true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 14, 2012, 08:11:57 AM: Quote from: Dave on November 13, 2012, 11:54:14 PM
I'd hope not as Gordon doesn't have a club at the moment.
His spectacular fall from grace is a bit mysterious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 14, 2012, 08:19:03 AM: Gordon's Fall from Grace has been because of his injuries which is why it's hard for him to find a club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2012, 08:26:02 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 14, 2012, 08:08:34 AM
Strange how many chose to believe that we were going to pay millions for Gordon, McGeady and Keane, and pennies for Cabaye and other assorted superstars, when we have no idea if any of it is true.
We know that we were going to pay something less than £9m for Gordon as O'Neill has admitted that we made a bid that wasn't as much as Sunderland eventually paid. And both Houllier and Cabaye have said he would have been here if Houllier had stayed.

We do have a tendency to pay over the odds, so there's certainly nothing to say that we were planning on buying him for as little as Newcastle eventually paid though.

I think you're right on the other two in that nobody involved has confirmed one way or the other.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave P on November 14, 2012, 09:21:46 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on November 14, 2012, 08:01:51 AM
Can someone remind me how many millions it was rumoured we were going to pay for him a few years back?

I'm sure it was £8.5m. By using the Martin O'Neill Multiplier, it means he was only really worth £4m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 14, 2012, 09:27:33 AM: Reading and Southampton are the only likely Premier League destinations for Given I think. The rest aren't looking for a 'keeper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM: Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 14, 2012, 03:17:27 PM: I'm not sure those figures for Keane are accurate at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 14, 2012, 03:36:54 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.

Played his part in our survival though- defeat at wolves that day would have seen far more than £1m lost- those 3 points were vital.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 14, 2012, 03:39:17 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.

Even if it isn't true that £1 million is a very small amount to pay to insure survival in the top flight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on November 14, 2012, 03:46:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 14, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.

Played his part in our survival though- defeat at wolves that day would have seen far more than £1m lost- those 3 points were vital.
i agree eastie, they would have gained momentum and put us in a big slump. my wolves mates were devastated that day as first half that was the best that they had played for a couple of seasons. robbie keanes goals were a sliding doors moment i think. worth whatever we paid for him fully.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 14, 2012, 03:59:38 PM: That wolves game, i thought we were certain to go down, and if it wasn't for Keanne we would have. Would have him back on loan, no problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 14, 2012, 06:10:03 PM: I still think having Keane in the team upset the formation. He wasn't a midfielder and 4-4-2 really did mean we were light in midfield.

Two good goals at Wolves and another at Newcastle, but maybe we would have beaten Wolves anyway with a better balanced midfield or alternatively got something from the other games he played in.

Is there a limit to the number of players who were responsible for saving us from relegation last year?

Either way, we're not that desperate, especially up front. Leave him where he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on November 14, 2012, 06:30:44 PM: I seem to remember the full deal for Keane including loan fee & wages was around £600k
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 14, 2012, 08:26:52 PM: Like the look of the Brazilian fella. I think a real unpredictable creator like Ben Arfa, Hazard, Silva etc would be just what we need. If he is it I haven't a clue. The lad we were looking at from St Ettienne and the guy in Holland both seem to have had excellent first 10-12 games for their clubs - Bony and Augymang?? Both look really good options if Bent goes. The nice thing it though, when we are being linked with these 21-22 year old players that have a bit of skill on youtube and come from foreign shore, we actually might sign them these days, not just get linked only for the manager to have never heard of them by self admittance, and they go on to become worth 50m playing elsewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on November 14, 2012, 08:41:25 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on November 14, 2012, 06:10:03 PM
I still think having Keane in the team upset the formation. He wasn't a midfielder and 4-4-2 really did mean we were light in midfield.

Two good goals at Wolves and another at Newcastle, but maybe we would have beaten Wolves anyway with a better balanced midfield or alternatively got something from the other games he played in.

Is there a limit to the number of players who were responsible for saving us from relegation last year?

Either way, we're not that desperate, especially up front. Leave him where he is.

He'd play in the hole where Ireland's been operating.

Cue PWS...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2012, 08:45:35 PM: Am looking forward to the next couple of transfer windows, hope the European scout Henke has targeted 2 or 3 gems - centre half with a bit of pace would be a nice option to have
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 14, 2012, 09:11:36 PM: (http://jameswrightonline.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Mic.gif)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on November 14, 2012, 09:33:05 PM: Never stops being funny.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2012, 11:49:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 14, 2012, 08:26:52 PM
Like the look of the Brazilian fella. I think a real unpredictable creator like Ben Arfa, Hazard, Silva etc would be just what we need. If he is it I haven't a clue. The lad we were looking at from St Ettienne and the guy in Holland both seem to have had excellent first 10-12 games for their clubs - Bony and Augymang?? Both look really good options if Bent goes. The nice thing it though, when we are being linked with these 21-22 year old players that have a bit of skill on youtube and come from foreign shore, we actually might sign them these days, not just get linked only for the manager to have never heard of them by self admittance, and they go on to become worth 50m playing elsewhere.

In addition to Falcao, he also once said that he didn't rate Ibrahamovic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 15, 2012, 12:05:45 AM: Quote from: peter w on November 14, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
Never stops being funny.

My favourite ever gif. Whoever made it is a genius.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2012, 12:24:42 AM: just about my favourite clip on the internet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 15, 2012, 02:55:53 PM: Apologies if this has been posted anywhere as it's from last week but i've only just seen it and I don't remember seeing it on here.

Quote
Paul Lambert will listen to offers for several of Aston Villa's old guard as he looks to rebuild in the new year.
Out-of-favour players will be moved on in order to free up room in his budget.
Bids will be considered for Shay Given, Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock and Alan Hutton in a drive to remove high earners from the books.

Stoke had been strongly linked to Dunne, who also had an offer from Malaga in Spain before the transfer window shut in August.
Villa would be reluctant to part with injured striker Darren Bent, who joined the club only two seasons ago.
He remains a consistent scorer and Lambert, despite dropping the forward last month, remains short of goals.
The Scot will give Gabriel Agbonlahor and Christian Benteke licence against Manchester United at Villa Park this evening, with Lambert predicting big things from the former in particular.
The England striker is second only to Liverpool's Steven Gerrard in scoring against the Old Trafford side in the Premier League.
Lambert said: 'Gabby's a handful because he has incredible speed. I wouldn't like to race him.
'I could see him getting back with England. He's in top form and enjoying where he is playing.'

Lambert also revealed that record signing Darren Bent will not require further surgery to overcome the ankle problem which first flared up nine months ago.
Bent was sidelined for the final three months of last season with a ligament injury suffered against Wigan in February which also ended his hopes of being part of England's Euro 2012 squad.
He is currently struggling with the injury again but, after seeing a specialist on Wednesday, Lambert believes rehab work should help Villa's £18million man recover, rather than another operation.
Lambert said: 'Darren had a scan on Wednesday on the ankle that he hurt and there's still little things in there that need to be cleared up.
'I think that's the problem. It's from the last injury but he doesn't need surgery now.
'I don't know how long he will be out but it's about the healing....rehab really.
'It's not floating bone, and he is getting there, but there's still a wee bit to go.
'It's a blow because we need any goalscorer and strikers.'

Prior to his latest injury Bent had already lost his place to £7million summer signing Christian Benteke, who has quickly become a favourite with the Villa fans.
Lambert said: 'I think Christian has built up a good relationship with them because of the way he plays and the way the big guy's been.
'I think at every club you go to there's always somebody the fans really like.
'For somebody as young as he is, once it sinks it what he's doing, I think he'll be a really big player.'
Villa have now half a dozen players on the injury list but Lambert is still looking forward with relish to games against United, Manchester City and Arsenal in the next fortnight.
He said: 'The injuries are mounting but that's the game of football, you have to trust the ones that go out for you.
'We've got Manchester United and we'll go to try and win it. The players will relish the next three games.

'Nobody's expecting us to do it, but we've earned the right to play them and we'll go and try and win.'
Lambert can sense a feeling of goodwill towards him from Villa fans that never existed when Alex McLeish was at the helm last season.
But he admits he is still under pressure and is driven on by the fear of failure.
He said: 'I do sense that people want you to do well, I really do.
'I wasn't part of what happened last year. It must have been extremely difficult.
'I think being a football manager there is always pressure on you. There's always people who want to have a go at you and praise you. I think you need a thick skin.
'The fear of losing drives you, that's what keeps you going, that you don't want to lose.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on November 15, 2012, 04:19:18 PM: With Blues now in the shit and needing money, would anyone else fancy a Bid for Jack Butland? Go in low, they turned down £6m from Southampton back in August, but they're desperate for cash now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 15, 2012, 05:09:16 PM: Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
With Blues now in the shit and needing money, would anyone else fancy a Bid for Jack Butland? Go in low, they turned down £6m from Southampton back in August, but they're desperate for cash now.

Rather use the money available to strengthen other areas to be honest , I think we are ok on the goalkeeper front for now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM: Shay Given's been talking about his dream of playing for Celtic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 15, 2012, 05:22:48 PM: Quote from: not3bad on November 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Shay Given's been talking about his dream of playing for Celtic.

The perfect move for him at his age I reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on November 15, 2012, 05:25:08 PM: Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on November 15, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: not3bad on November 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Shay Given's been talking about his dream of playing for Celtic.

The perfect move for him at his age I reckon.

Be good if we didn't have to part fund it though eh? If he's off I'd want Celtic or whoever to be paying all his wages and us no compo fee.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 15, 2012, 05:27:27 PM: Indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 15, 2012, 05:32:54 PM: They've already got a pretty good keeper haven't they?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on November 15, 2012, 05:41:34 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 15, 2012, 05:09:16 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
With Blues now in the shit and needing money, would anyone else fancy a Bid for Jack Butland? Go in low, they turned down £6m from Southampton back in August, but they're desperate for cash now.

Rather use the money available to strengthen other areas to be honest , I think we are ok on the goalkeeper front for now.

I agree that we need to strengthen in midfield in particular this January, but if Given is on his bike we're left with Guzan and Marshall as the first team goalkeepers. We need to strengthen in that area, too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2012, 06:05:24 PM: Quote from: Matt C on November 15, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
They've already got a pretty good keeper haven't they?

Yes, Forster who looked quality against Barcelona. The only way I could see Given going to Celtic would be if a deal has already been agreed for Forster to move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on November 15, 2012, 06:24:48 PM: Quote from: Rigadon on November 15, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: VillaiNorseVillan on November 15, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: not3bad on November 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Shay Given's been talking about his dream of playing for Celtic.

The perfect move for him at his age I reckon.

Be good if we didn't have to part fund it though eh? If he's off I'd want Celtic or whoever to be paying all his wages and us no compo fee.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a club from the continent come in for him.

His reputation will still be pretty high and -Euros apart- he's been good over a number of years.

Although I don't subscribe to the theory that he's weak at crosses, they are by no means his strong point. In most other European leagues that isn't really an issue though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2012, 06:46:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 14, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.

Played his part in our survival though- defeat at wolves that day would have seen far more than £1m lost- those 3 points were vital.

Yeah, didn't want him either but that Wolves game was my favourite of last season (not hard!) and he did give the team a lift for a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2012, 06:48:51 PM: Quote from: OCD on November 15, 2012, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on November 15, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
They've already got a pretty good keeper haven't they?

Yes, Forster who looked quality against Barcelona. The only way I could see Given going to Celtic would be if a deal has already been agreed for Forster to move on.

What about us? Pretty sure Lambert had Fraser Forster on loan at Norwich?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2012, 08:00:55 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 14, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 14, 2012, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on November 13, 2012, 10:40:01 PM
Didn't we pay Keane £1m for 6 games ?

Bloody hell, never liked him and like him even less now. That's depressing.

Played his part in our survival though- defeat at wolves that day would have seen far more than £1m lost- those 3 points were vital.

Yeah, didn't want him either but that Wolves game was my favourite of last season (not hard!) and he did give the team a lift for a bit.

Chelsea away was my favourite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2012, 08:02:46 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2012, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 15, 2012, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on November 15, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
They've already got a pretty good keeper haven't they?

Yes, Forster who looked quality against Barcelona. The only way I could see Given going to Celtic would be if a deal has already been agreed for Forster to move on.

What about us? Pretty sure Lambert had Fraser Forster on loan at Norwich?

Interesting, I didn't know that. I think Celtic would have a high valuation with how well he's been playing and I would imagine we would be looking for a back-up keeper with Guzan playing as well as he has.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 15, 2012, 09:43:35 PM: Did Lambert rotate his keepers much at Norwich?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2012, 10:17:03 PM: Nah Ruddy was always number one when fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on November 16, 2012, 09:24:52 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*

That has made my day. Great news. Enjoy where the journey takes you Stew. Ha Ha.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Richard E on November 16, 2012, 09:32:31 AM: Quote from: Le Lapin on November 16, 2012, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*

That has made my day. Great news. Enjoy where the journey takes you Stew. Ha Ha.

What goes around comes around. In all seriousness I am struggling to think of anyone who will come in for him. None of the top clubs will want him and the decent teams above us have all got players who do what he does.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on November 16, 2012, 09:34:48 AM: Quote from: Le Lapin on November 16, 2012, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*

That has made my day. Great news. Enjoy where the journey takes you Stew. Ha Ha.

martinoneillsslumberland is my bet, and when he fails to shine there he'll get real stick from the fans for his 'Boro past. Such a shame. Not
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 16, 2012, 09:44:42 AM: Quote from: CJ on November 16, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on November 16, 2012, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*

That has made my day. Great news. Enjoy where the journey takes you Stew. Ha Ha.

martinoneillsslumberland is my bet, and when he fails to shine there he'll get real stick from the fans for his 'Boro past. Such a shame. Not

Or destination: QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 16, 2012, 09:48:47 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on November 16, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: CJ on November 16, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on November 16, 2012, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 16, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/11/16/stewart-downing-told-he-can-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-32245677/

*Snigger*

That has made my day. Great news. Enjoy where the journey takes you Stew. Ha Ha.

martinoneillsslumberland is my bet, and when he fails to shine there he'll get real stick from the fans for his 'Boro past. Such a shame. Not

Or destination: QPR.
Now that would be justice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 16, 2012, 09:53:37 AM: Downings last season here he was player of the season but Liverpool was a bad fit for him and its not always a case of the grass being greener- he is a shadow of the player who left here and they will struggle to get more than £8m for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 16, 2012, 10:01:59 AM: This is the kind of wheeling and dealing Villa need to do! Get shot for £20 million in 2011, surplus to requirements in 2012! Somehow I think Liverpool will be making a loss!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 16, 2012, 11:42:24 AM: Quote from: eastie on November 16, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Downings last season here he was player of the season but Liverpool was a bad fit for him and its not always a case of the grass being greener- he is a shadow of the player who left here and they will struggle to get more than £8m for him.

I never rated him.

He's a coward of a player, and not just his fanny challenges but how he uses the ball.

Mazrim put his finger on it in another post regarding Michael Carrick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 16, 2012, 01:09:56 PM: No doubt Sunderland are interested in him.

Liverpool will make a profit & Downing will get a rise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 16, 2012, 03:57:31 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 16, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Downings last season here he was player of the season but Liverpool was a bad fit for him and its not always a case of the grass being greener- he is a shadow of the player who left here and they will struggle to get more than £8m for him.
Disagree that Liverpool were a bad fit: they were crying out for a winger to supply Carroll and Suarez; Our Stewart delivers a mean cross and had beeen our POTS in the previous season.
What happened was a significant dip in form from Downing and then a new manager.

Incidentally, SD's rollercoaster form is attributed in some parts of the North to a problem with the Columbian marching powder (he seems to spend quite a lot of his weeked evenings in establishments in my town) ... but I can't corroborate that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 16, 2012, 04:59:16 PM: Columbian marching powder, all the more reason not to touch him with a sticky stick. Fucking liability.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 16, 2012, 06:27:48 PM: Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mls-expert-gives-the-lowdown-on-the-possibility-305267

you have to love the imagination of the mail with this one. (big sigh).

f**k , did he do that cartwheel celebration while playing for Villa , I cant remember that ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 16, 2012, 06:47:53 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 16, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: danno on November 13, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mls-expert-gives-the-lowdown-on-the-possibility-305267

you have to love the imagination of the mail with this one. (big sigh).

f**k , did he do that cartwheel celebration while playing for Villa , I cant remember that ;(

Yes , after scoring at Newcastle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 16, 2012, 07:49:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 16, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Downings last season here he was player of the season but Liverpool was a bad fit for him and its not always a case of the grass being greener- he is a shadow of the player who left here and they will struggle to get more than £8m for him.

Do they still owe us money for the deal that took him there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 16, 2012, 08:24:10 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 16, 2012, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 16, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Downings last season here he was player of the season but Liverpool was a bad fit for him and its not always a case of the grass being greener- he is a shadow of the player who left here and they will struggle to get more than £8m for him.

Do they still owe us money for the deal that took him there?

Ye thats a good point. Cause in the summer transfer when we were supposed to be after Caroll. Sure it was mentioned they still owed us money for SD ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 16, 2012, 11:30:42 PM: I think it was 50% in the summer that he went there and 50% this summer so it should be all paid up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 16, 2012, 11:48:24 PM: For all the (justified) criticism of some of our transfer dealings, credit due for doing a brilliant deal on Downing.

He'll wind up at Sunderland on some obscene salary, presumably.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 17, 2012, 07:40:01 AM: Quote from: OCD on November 16, 2012, 11:30:42 PM
I think it was 50% in the summer that he went there and 50% this summer so it should be all paid up.

how on earth do you find things like that out?
Or was it in the press?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 17, 2012, 02:11:35 PM: Seem to remember hearing something about it. I wasn't the only one to hear it as it led some to speculate that we could get Andy Carroll on the cheap by using the debt as part of the deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 18, 2012, 06:41:21 AM: Wasn't sure about taking Keane back on loan but now I think I probably would do, he ad a very good influence last season and looked motivated and hungry- we probably could do with his experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on November 18, 2012, 03:17:44 PM: Keane? Yes fucking please
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 18, 2012, 03:21:26 PM: Yes to Keane for me as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:24:01 PM: Is Tim Cahill at galaxy too? Could do worse than taking both Cahill and Keane on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 18, 2012, 03:26:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
Is Tim Cahill at galaxy too? Could do worse than taking both Cahill and Keane on loan.

They pretty much play the same position in AMC which is where Ireland has been doing okay.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on November 18, 2012, 03:29:17 PM: Fuck it, get Nesta and Kenny Miller while we're about it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:31:14 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 18, 2012, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
Is Tim Cahill at galaxy too? Could do worse than taking both Cahill and Keane on loan.

They pretty much play the same position in AMC which is where Ireland has been doing okay.

Would put pressure on Ireland to perform or take his place , this will be our last window so we need to well covered in case of an injury crisis- Keane certainly would walk into this team for me.

Taking two quality experienced players on loan would also mean not a huge outlay so cash to use elsewhere.

Survival is the name of the game and our squad are hugely inexperienced .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 18, 2012, 03:49:24 PM: I have said it before. We need to spend big on a dynamic central midfielder. And I dont get all this doom and gloom over nobody wanting to sign for us.

Sunderland were chasing Europe and we were amongst the dead men when we clicked our fingers and signed up Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM: Well Jordan Rhodes has been banging the goals in (hatrick last night) and Whittingham looks good again at Cardiff. Shame we didn't go for the two of them if we were buying from lower divisions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2012, 04:50:47 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 18, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
I have said it before. We need to spend big on a dynamic central midfielder. And I dont get all this doom and gloom over nobody wanting to sign for us.

Sunderland were chasing Europe and we were amongst the dead men when we clicked our fingers and signed up Bent.

Diame went to West Ham, N'zonzi went to Stoke.

They were out there this summer, I'm sure there's still some lurking in the French league or Bundesliga.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on November 18, 2012, 05:24:04 PM: Yup Diame would have been a great signing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 18, 2012, 05:25:10 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on November 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
Well Jordan Rhodes has been banging the goals in (hatrick last night) and Whittingham looks good again at Cardiff. Shame we didn't go for the two of them if we were buying from lower divisions.
Rhodes was certainly someone I was banging on about two seasons' ago. Natural goalscorers can do at any level (look at Ricky Lambert).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 18, 2012, 05:25:55 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 18, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
I have said it before. We need to spend big on a dynamic central midfielder. And I dont get all this doom and gloom over nobody wanting to sign for us.

Sunderland were chasing Europe and we were amongst the dead men when we clicked our fingers and signed up Bent.

Diame went to West Ham, N'zonzi went to Stoke.

They were out there this summer, I'm sure there's still some lurking in the French league or Bundesliga.
True but I suspect Lambert saw KEA as a driving MF rampager ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2012, 07:42:37 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on November 18, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Yup Diame would have been a great signing

I was working with a Wigan season ticket holder at the back end of last season, and he was absolutely raving about him, said he was the best player at the club by a mile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2012, 07:46:10 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 18, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on November 18, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Yup Diame would have been a great signing

I was working with a Wigan season ticket holder at the back end of last season, and he was absolutely raving about him, said he was the best player at the club by a mile.

Actually he wasn't playing much for Wigan at the end of the season but from what I'd seen he certainly has the raw ingredients to be a good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 18, 2012, 07:57:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 18, 2012, 03:26:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 18, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
Is Tim Cahill at galaxy too? Could do worse than taking both Cahill and Keane on loan.

They pretty much play the same position in AMC which is where Ireland has been doing okay.

Would put pressure on Ireland to perform or take his place , this will be our last window so we need to well covered in case of an injury crisis- Keane certainly would walk into this team for me.

Taking two quality experienced players on loan would also mean not a huge outlay so cash to use elsewhere.

Survival is the name of the game and our squad are hugely inexperienced .

Good point eastie, I can see us only having 19 points on the board by 1 January. We need to have a good January to help us stay in this division and take the pressure off. One thing we learned last year, we don't play well under pressure so we should be looking to get to 40 points asap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 18, 2012, 08:36:44 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 18, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on November 18, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Yup Diame would have been a great signing

I was working with a Wigan season ticket holder at the back end of last season, and he was absolutely raving about him, said he was the best player at the club by a mile.

Yep, my mate who used to be a coach at Wigan and still helps out there a bit reckons he's superb.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 19, 2012, 02:00:09 AM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 18, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
I have said it before. We need to spend big on a dynamic central midfielder. And I dont get all this doom and gloom over nobody wanting to sign for us.

Sunderland were chasing Europe and we were amongst the dead men when we clicked our fingers and signed up Bent.

In January 2011 selling the club would have been a lot easier. A tough few months since O'Neill's sudden departure but we could have argued that a horrendous injury list for a lot of the games in the first half of the season accounted for that. And I remember at Bent's press conference him mentioning Downing and Young's crossing abilities as well as that of Albrighton who was bang in-form for being a big reason for joining.

Selling the Aston Villa "brand" in Jan 2013 will likely have to be done by offering generous wages for anyone decent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 19, 2012, 02:12:26 AM: It is so desperate that the best we can hope is to get someone like Frimpong on loan and hope they perform well enough to get us to the promised land. it is that desperate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 19, 2012, 05:33:03 AM: I'd have Keane back in a hearbeat. He's got the ability to make goals from nothing. He'll offer far more end product than Ireland, so I'm not too worried about Stevie losing his place in the side. I won't lose sleep over it. Wouldn't be adverse to Cahill either. Has a lot of desire and works hard. Great movement in the box and could chip in. Just the sort of experience and attitude we need more of.

Aside from loans, we need to be making 2-3 really top purchases.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on November 19, 2012, 08:10:19 AM: Someone like Keane to sit behind Benteke in Ireland's position would be good. Ireland is doing well, but needs more goals and assists.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 19, 2012, 08:50:34 AM: I keep hearing about Keane, I'm not so sure myself
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2012, 09:24:40 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on November 19, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I keep hearing about Keane, I'm not so sure myself

Keane was probably the difference last season in keeping us up. We could do with his experience with a similar arrangement to last season, unless we sign him on a years deal or something. It's scandalous to think that Lerner only paid about £500,000 in the last Jan window - which was basically Keane's wages. If he only spends that amount in Jan '13 then we're down, and will lose out on a cut of the 70% Sky/BT increased TV money for the next 3 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 19, 2012, 09:58:45 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on November 19, 2012, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on November 19, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I keep hearing about Keane, I'm not so sure myself

Keane was probably the difference last season in keeping us up. We could do with his experience with a similar arrangement to last season, unless we sign him on a years deal or something. It's scandalous to think that Lerner only paid about £500,000 in the last Jan window - which was basically Keane's wages. If he only spends that amount in Jan '13 then we're down, and will lose out on a cut of the 70% Sky/BT increased TV money for the next 3 years.
Keane's goals kept us up last season, remember. If we have no cash to spend then he would be well worth a loan deal again. Should Lerner open his purse strings then i would still go for Keane. Relegation would comletely f..k us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 10:11:36 AM: Looks like this will be the only route open to us along with some unknowns they might find elsewhere in europe as I can't see any UK player wanting to join what is rapidly regarded as a sinking ship.

Seen anything worthwhile on PDC beach Dan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2012, 10:44:08 AM: Quote from: danlanza on November 19, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on November 19, 2012, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on November 19, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
I keep hearing about Keane, I'm not so sure myself

Keane was probably the difference last season in keeping us up. We could do with his experience with a similar arrangement to last season, unless we sign him on a years deal or something. It's scandalous to think that Lerner only paid about £500,000 in the last Jan window - which was basically Keane's wages. If he only spends that amount in Jan '13 then we're down, and will lose out on a cut of the 70% Sky/BT increased TV money for the next 3 years.
Keane's goals kept us up last season, remember. If we have no cash to spend then he would be well worth a loan deal again. Should Lerner open his purse strings then i would still go for Keane. Relegation would comletely f..k us up.

Lerner is a joke with his austerity measures - he's just pocketed $1 billion by selling the Cleveland Browns. He seems to prefer running the risk of relegation and losing out on the massive increase in the TV money from 2013/14 than backing the manager with serious money to at least try and arrest this 2 year slump since August 2010.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2012, 11:03:50 AM: That's the thing Villafirst, the new TV deal will sort our wages/turnover ratio out at a stroke this year, without Lerner and Faulkner having to lift a finger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 11:31:07 AM: I see Frimpongs gone to Charlton until January
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on November 19, 2012, 12:01:24 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on November 19, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
That's the thing Villafirst, the new TV deal will sort our wages/turnover ratio out at a stroke this year, without Lerner and Faulkner having to lift a finger.

exactly ..so they should just spend it screw the FFP for now just keep the club in the damn league
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 19, 2012, 12:04:53 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on November 19, 2012, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on November 19, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
That's the thing Villafirst, the new TV deal will sort our wages/turnover ratio out at a stroke this year, without Lerner and Faulkner having to lift a finger.

exactly ..so they should just spend it screw the FFP for now just keep the club in the damn league

I expect all the clubs near the bottom will spend in January and gamble on survival- the rewards are huge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on November 19, 2012, 12:10:43 PM: Keane would be a step up from Ireland imo, 3 goals in 6 weeks compared to 1 goal in 3 years for a start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 19, 2012, 12:11:56 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on November 19, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
That's the thing Villafirst, the new TV deal will sort our wages/turnover ratio out at a stroke this year, without Lerner and Faulkner having to lift a finger.

Do they have a clue at all? If fuck all happens in January in terms of signings and we are still in the bottom three will the Lerner out protests start? He has been getting away very lightly.

I know Ellis held villa back and his carry on in the mid 1980s was deplorable but under his custodianship you did always feel we were willing to compete and when he finally stopped being able to compete he sold to somebody who he thought would make us compete.

We are so badly led now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 12:15:34 PM: Don't expect Keane to score a hat full of goals though.

But just his experience and willingness might be beneficial, with the odd important goal, would suit us at the moment
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2012, 12:40:51 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 19, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on November 19, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
That's the thing Villafirst, the new TV deal will sort our wages/turnover ratio out at a stroke this year, without Lerner and Faulkner having to lift a finger.

Do they have a clue at all? If fuck all happens in January in terms of signings and we are still in the bottom three will the Lerner out protests start? He has been getting away very lightly.

I know Ellis held villa back and his carry on in the mid 1980s was deplorable but under his custodianship you did always feel we were willing to compete and when he finally stopped being able to compete he sold to somebody who he thought would make us compete.

We are so badly led now.

At least with Doug he was hands-on at the club 24/7, and he would talk to the media. This American treats it like a play thing he's got bored with and now justs seems to ignore it. How many games has he attended this season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 19, 2012, 02:16:11 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 12:15:34 PM
Don't expect Keane to score a hat full of goals though.

As long as we get to see him pointing a lot i'll be happy. When I think of him, I think of pointing. Oh, and the mosaic he had done in his swimming pool when he lived in Wetherby, surprisingly it wasn't one of him pointing.

It will no doubt be yet another of his boyhood dreams come true if he were to return to Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 02:57:16 PM: Oh yes forgot the all important finger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 03:27:42 PM: Well, one can mock, but someone who points a lot could be invaluable. B-lose came up with, as usual, an unspeakably shit team with very little top flight experience in 2002/03, and owed their survival almost exclusively to that twat Savage, who more or less showed the entire rest of the squad exactly what to do. Well, him and Dugarry.

Keane's only a year older than when he lit us up for a few games last year, and will be good for the odd ninety minutes, the odd hour, and the odd twenty minutes off the bench. He has technique, experience and an eye for goal. If we're going to go for him though, we don't want to be hanging about 'til the end of January like last time. Let's get the full two months, or longer if possible, this time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 19, 2012, 03:46:36 PM: Not mocking at all Percy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 04:01:52 PM: Fair enough mate, just saying I think he'd be a good addition.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 19, 2012, 04:27:46 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 03:27:42 PM
Well, one can mock, but someone who points a lot could be invaluable. B-lose came up with, as usual, an unspeakably shit team with very little top flight experience in 2002/03, and owed their survival almost exclusively to that twat Savage, who more or less showed the entire rest of the squad exactly what to do. Well, him and Dugarry.

Keane's only a year older than when he lit us up for a few games last year, and will be good for the odd ninety minutes, the odd hour, and the odd twenty minutes off the bench. He has technique, experience and an eye for goal. If we're going to go for him though, we don't want to be hanging about 'til the end of January like last time. Let's get the full two months, or longer if possible, this time.

I'd agree with this, we're in the shit and we need some older heads.
He's one we could really do with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2012, 05:03:36 PM: I think it's the over end of midfield where we need experience. A more defensive player who can control the tempo of the match better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 19, 2012, 05:06:39 PM: Quote from: paul_e on November 19, 2012, 05:03:36 PM
I think it's the over end of midfield where we need experience. A more defensive player who can control the tempo of the match better.
Wouldn't mind a decent winger, but it seems Lambert isn't interested in that position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on November 19, 2012, 05:09:12 PM: Quote from: paul_e on November 19, 2012, 05:03:36 PM
I think it's the over end of midfield where we need experience. A more defensive player who can control the tempo of the match better.
I agree. A lynchpin to be relied upon to win the ball from the opposition and move it on to the more attack minded players. When I say win the ball back, I'm not necessarily talking of a tough tackler ala Nigel De Jong, someone who can intercept well and isn't scared of the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM: I wonder if 'our man in Germany'has already been in touch with PL about targets for January,as others have said,a defensive midfielder would be top of my list,if he's 6ft 4,and can do the 100 metres in sub 11 seconds, even better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 19, 2012, 05:31:24 PM: I'm dreading January as we'll have to put up with 'Mr Transfer' the shouty cuntcunt on Sky Sports again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 05:37:35 PM: I usually just call him a c***, but cuntcunt certainly adds emphasis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on November 19, 2012, 05:38:30 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
I wonder if 'our man in Germany'has already been in touch with PL about targets for January,as others have said,a defensive midfielder would be top of my list,if he's 6ft 4,and can do the 100 metres in sub 11 seconds, even better.

And built like a brick sh...............
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on November 19, 2012, 05:44:03 PM: There is a whole cavalcade of them on that blasted channel around that time of year. Odd Monster Iain Dowie, Cantscoreino, the twat with the phones and half of Newcastle anytime they pan to the Sports Direct Arena (guaranteed). Cxntsoup.

I might just hibernate this year, maybe until about June, actually.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 19, 2012, 05:46:00 PM: I thought it was commonly accepted that Lerner made more funds available for Lambert in the summer. We had a bid for Dempsey accepted but he chose not to come. Lambert made the decision to buy young, lower-league players. No doubt we have a wage-ceiling in place but as regards transfer fees I wouldn't worry too much in January. It's up to Lambert to get the experience to go with the yoof he already has.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 19, 2012, 06:04:09 PM: Some of you are worrying me now - if Keane is the answer, I dread to think what the question was :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 19, 2012, 06:05:38 PM: (http://www.superteachertools.com/jeopardy/pics/jeopardy-screenshot.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 19, 2012, 06:31:53 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
I usually just call him a c***, but cuntcunt certainly adds emphasis.
Plus it get's round the word filter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 19, 2012, 06:35:22 PM: Quality is quality. Who cares how old or who they are? We need to improve short term as well as build.

La la la Keano will do for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 19, 2012, 06:36:44 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on November 19, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
Some of you are worrying me now - if Keane is the answer, I dread to think what the question was :o

Seconded
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 19, 2012, 06:49:06 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on November 19, 2012, 06:36:44 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on November 19, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
Some of you are worrying me now - if Keane is the answer, I dread to think what the question was :o

Seconded

Keane scored some important goals for us, but he spent most the time stood there, flapping his arms and whining because weren't thinking like him.

Would this be different under Lambert's style? I dunno, but I think we need more than a Keane for 5 games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 19, 2012, 07:12:13 PM: So do I. Keane and more.

For those of you wondering about the question, it's: who could we get to join in spite of our league position and make an immediate impact, add much-needed experience, score and create goals and affect for the better the way we play by giving on-field leadership and instruction to our young players?

If only there was somebody who'd done that before at some point in our recent past when we were in need of much the same qualities.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2012, 07:46:59 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 18, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 18, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on November 18, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Yup Diame would have been a great signing

I was working with a Wigan season ticket holder at the back end of last season, and he was absolutely raving about him, said he was the best player at the club by a mile.

Actually he wasn't playing much for Wigan at the end of the season but from what I'd seen he certainly has the raw ingredients to be a good player.

That was put down him not signing a contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 19, 2012, 09:13:30 PM: Their good run did coincide precisely with his time out of the team though.

It might just have been that their best player wasn't a suitable fit for the style they wanted to play (something that we seem to be seeing at the moment) but they only started winning when he was dropped.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2012, 09:55:18 PM: I would take Keane back like a shot. Great form this season and fitter than last.

Are we still linked with the Danish holding mid? Can see a centre back coming and Clark doing a stint at left back too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2012, 09:58:44 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 19, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
I would take Keane back like a shot. Great form this season and fitter than last.

Are we still linked with the Danish holding mid? Can see a centre back coming and Clark doing a stint at left back too.

The one position i think where Clark is weakest is left back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on November 19, 2012, 10:01:17 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 19, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 19, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
I would take Keane back like a shot. Great form this season and fitter than last.

Are we still linked with the Danish holding mid? Can see a centre back coming and Clark doing a stint at left back too.

The one position i think where Clark is weakest is left back.

Clark is no left back he was destroyed @ Wolves when he played there last season by Knightly or was it Jarvis.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on November 19, 2012, 10:27:32 PM: Desperate for a quality centre back and midfield lynchpin.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on November 19, 2012, 10:41:48 PM: Think we need a LB, a CB a CM and a decent wide player/ winger.

Keane (or one of the other American based players) on a short term deal would be a bonus, but I'd see the first four as a priority.

If that means jettisoning some of our lot -even if it's loans just to get them off the wage bill- so be it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2012, 10:46:37 PM: Maybe out of some sort of weird loyalty Milner would come on loan for the remainder of the season.
With City (pretty much) out of Europe and therefore with less games, plus more signings in his position he could be surplus to requirements and this could be some sort or karma balancing move from his perspective.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 19, 2012, 10:48:12 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
Maybe out of some sort of weird loyalty Milner would come on loan for the remainder of the season.
With City (pretty much) out of Europe and therefore with less games, plus more signings in his position he could be surplus to requirements and this could be some sort or karma balancing move from his perspective.

For some reason I'm sure Milner will rejoin Villa at some point. Not least because his wife and in-laws are Villa fans and he has an executive box at VP.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 19, 2012, 11:09:51 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on November 19, 2012, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
Maybe out of some sort of weird loyalty Milner would come on loan for the remainder of the season.
With City (pretty much) out of Europe and therefore with less games, plus more signings in his position he could be surplus to requirements and this could be some sort or karma balancing move from his perspective.

For some reason I'm sure Milner will rejoin Villa at some point. Not least because his wife and in-laws are Villa fans and he has an executive box at VP.

Please let that happen. Loved Jimmy Milner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2012, 11:14:38 PM: If we could splash 15 million on one player in Jan, the 09/10 central midfield version of Milner would see me about as happy as it gets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on November 19, 2012, 11:22:28 PM: Mancini's comments in the past seem to indicate he rates Milner highly even if he doesn't play him every game. I'd be very surprised if they let him go this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2012, 11:25:59 PM: It would be nice to have Milner back at some point. I can't see it happening just yet though if it ever does.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 19, 2012, 11:45:00 PM: not Milner again. zzzzzzzz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 19, 2012, 11:46:49 PM: If Milner did come back, would that make him only the second player after Sid to make it a hat-trick of Villa spells?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 01:02:27 AM: Milner talk again?! Jesus wept. I'd rather Barry. He's more of a Villan too if that's important to people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 20, 2012, 06:57:55 AM: Beckham's available.

Probably about level with Milner in the likelihood stakes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 20, 2012, 07:06:33 AM: Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 01:02:27 AM
Milner talk again?! Jesus wept. I'd rather Barry. He's more of a Villan too if that's important to people.

I think the final season Milner was here he was so bloody good that he lives longer in the memory. Plus the West Ham home game, his last, you genuinely thought there goes a top drawer player. To lose him was harder for me than most we have lost. Barry we had a long time to come to terms with. Downing did the proper Judas and Ash was running his deal down. Plus, we miss Milner the most in the current set up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 07:15:53 AM: Milner is a class act but is still very much a part of things at city - no chance of him leaving there on my view .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 20, 2012, 09:11:38 AM: Yeah, he won't come back at the moment. If we see him in a Villa shirt again he'll be the wrong side of thirty.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 20, 2012, 09:12:39 AM: Quote from: TaxDodger on November 19, 2012, 11:22:28 PM
Mancini's comments in the past seem to indicate he rates Milner highly even if he doesn't play him every game. I'd be very surprised if they let him go this season.
Milner's not an idiot, why would he want to come to relegation candidates?
He's way out of our league now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on November 20, 2012, 09:40:16 AM: I'd take Barry or Milner on loan in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 09:43:54 AM: Quote from: Summers on November 20, 2012, 09:40:16 AM
I'd take Barry or Milner on loan in a heartbeat.

So would I but I can't see it happening - maybe in a year or so if Barry is on the bench regularly we might be able to attract him back but this season he and Milner are still very much part of things at city.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: charleeco7 on November 20, 2012, 10:17:13 AM: James Chester from Hull? http://soc.li/S5I1WaC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 20, 2012, 10:18:10 AM: Quote from: Matt C on November 20, 2012, 06:57:55 AM
Beckham's available.

Probably about level with Milner in the likelihood stakes.

Snoop Dogg is going to sign Beckham for Celtic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 20, 2012, 10:57:54 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Milner's not an idiot, why would he want to come to relegation candidates?
He's way out of our league now.

On loan to get some game time? Benefits us, him and Man Citeh.
It's not like he has to stay and share the delights of the Second Division if we go down is it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 11:00:36 AM: Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on November 20, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Milner's not an idiot, why would he want to come to relegation candidates?
He's way out of our league now.

On loan to get some game time? Benefits us, him and Man Citeh.
It's not like he has to stay and share the delights of the Second Division if we go down is it?

Milner gets his fair share of game time at city and is still a valuable member of their squad, they have no need to off load him and I can't see them letting him go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 20, 2012, 11:14:15 AM: Quote from: charleeco7 on November 20, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
James Chester from Hull? http://soc.li/S5I1WaC (http://soc.li/S5I1WaC)
Well, that article says alot about Lambert.
Would he risk another 23 year old without EPL experienece? - his quote here says it all: "Would I sign experienced players? It’s not something I’ll turn away from. If they have got the right attitude to go and do it, and they fit into the group, then I’d look at that."
The implication is that he is looking to young potential whom he can mould. Even now, with us in the bottom three.

The man has cahoonas, you gotta say that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on November 20, 2012, 11:29:40 AM: The James Chester link looks like Dunne may have played his last game for us, and certainly won't be offered an extension when his contract runs out next summer. I'd rather be hearing about links to dominant midfielders rather than centre backs at the minute tbh
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 20, 2012, 11:31:26 AM: Id take Messi in a heartbeat too , Milner aint happening !! like someone said maybe at 32
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 20, 2012, 11:42:03 AM: A player doesn't have to be old to be experienced. You can have an experienced 24 year old, but they need to have been playing at a suitable level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 20, 2012, 11:49:42 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 20, 2012, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: charleeco7 on November 20, 2012, 10:17:13 AM
James Chester from Hull? http://soc.li/S5I1WaC (http://soc.li/S5I1WaC)
Well, that article says alot about Lambert.
Would he risk another 23 year old without EPL experienece? - his quote here says it all: "Would I sign experienced players? It’s not something I’ll turn away from. If they have got the right attitude to go and do it, and they fit into the group, then I’d look at that."
The implication is that he is looking to young potential whom he can mould. Even now, with us in the bottom three.

The man has cahoonas, you gotta say that.
His cahoonas wont be there for long if things don't get sorted. I do think he willget it right though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM: It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 20, 2012, 11:56:23 AM: Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.

What did the named players contribute ,save Given, when they had a chance...soonest gone all the better, hopefully to be replaced by better ones though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on November 20, 2012, 12:08:23 PM: Those fans who keep pining for Milner it is NOT going to happen. He is an England international , playing reguarly for the champions and is he leaves he will go to a team in top 6.

He is not an Adam Johnson
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: charleeco7 on November 20, 2012, 12:19:35 PM: I don't mind the idea of signing the likes of Adam Chester but the side is crying out for an experienced centre half and a leader in centre mid. Without these we will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 20, 2012, 12:25:52 PM: No chance on Milner. If he became available there'd be no shortage of better placed teams who'd want him. Especially on loan. Pubehead would be in like a shot. More appealing, probably Moyes, Liverpool, Arsenal who look like they could use some of that guile and determination of Milner. Basically there'd be about 12 teams higher than us who'd take him.

We need experience+quality. But we definitely need more experience. You need players who know how to scrape out results and have been and done it. Reliable players too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on November 20, 2012, 12:46:26 PM: Milner's not coming back the right side of 30. The Citeh fans at work love him. He plays reguarly and they are due to lose Yaya Toure for the African Nations. With Javier Garcia out of form and Jack Rodwell injured. there is no way they will lose anybody.

I do think he will come back for a stint at some point though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on November 20, 2012, 12:55:35 PM: I dont get the Milner love in. He's a very good player. I thought it was great when we had him, and would like someone of his quality in our team now. But it isn't just that with some people, its like he was some kind of hero. In reality, he was a great player for us for two years and left at the drop of a hat (when we had just finished 6th for the third time, and were no mugs) to sit on the bench and rake money in rather than play for us.

It isn't going to happen for many reasons, but the stand outs are that he is too good for where we are right now, and doesn't have any more affection for us than he would Newcastle, who he also used to play for for a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on November 20, 2012, 12:58:42 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on November 20, 2012, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.

What did the named players contribute ,save Given, when they had a chance...soonest gone all the better, hopefully to be replaced by better ones though
I'd save Dunne from that too. He is still the best centre half on our books IMO. Not convinced with quicksand Ron. Granted, Clark and Baker could become better in the long run.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 20, 2012, 01:01:35 PM: As I've just said in the relegation thread...

We need 3 players like Jonas Olsson, Scott Parker and Kevin Nolan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on November 20, 2012, 01:33:34 PM: Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.
Erm, we had this "experience" last year and we nearly got bummed down to the league below. At least we are playing some good stuff now, and enjoying going to the game, and the threat of actually getting a result.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2012, 01:44:28 PM: We need as many good players as possible.

I am pleased that Lambert wants to finally increase the size of the squad.

We've been an honest bunch of lads, with a small squad, for the past 8 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 20, 2012, 01:53:21 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on November 20, 2012, 01:01:35 PM
As I've just said in the relegation thread...

We need 3 players like Jonas Olsson, Scott Parker and Kevin Nolan.

Fuck me, Kevin Nolan? Even we aren't that desperate are we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2012, 01:55:16 PM: I don't think we'd get Parker, but as an aside, what has happened to him? Is he injured?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 20, 2012, 02:08:32 PM: Quote from: Ads on November 20, 2012, 01:44:28 PM
We need as many good players as possible.

I am pleased that Lambert wants to finally increase the size of the squad.

We've been an honest bunch of lads, with a small squad, for the past 8 years.

Not while MON was here. That was the problem. A big squad not being used properly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on November 20, 2012, 02:11:37 PM: Quote from: Ads on November 20, 2012, 01:55:16 PM
I don't think we'd get Parker, but as an aside, what has happened to him? Is he injured?

Injured, and has been for a while I think. Would be a good shout though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 20, 2012, 02:35:34 PM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9689771/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-assured-he-will-have-funds-in-January-as-he-targets-Hulls-James-Chester.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 20, 2012, 02:48:09 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 20, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9689771/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-assured-he-will-have-funds-in-January-as-he-targets-Hulls-James-Chester.html

Wow!
I was worried about the quality of signings we might be after in January, but now I know we're on the trail of Hull's James Chester, I can breathe easier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 20, 2012, 03:13:27 PM: The law of averages means that one day one of these lower league players we sign will be the dogs bollocks.

The trouble is we may have to step in a lot more dog shit to get that player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: go on the dog on November 20, 2012, 03:22:09 PM: James Chester played on loan at my local team Carlisle and he was very very good lads, Didn't Ryan Shawcross leave Man Utd to get games? I bet if we were linked to him a few of you would be happy, Chester is a good young player and thats the type of player were looking at now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 03:53:24 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on November 20, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
The law of averages means that one day one of these lower league players we sign will be the dogs bollocks.

The trouble is we may have to step in a lot more dog shit to get that player.

I think you will find that Ashley Westwood will prove to be that player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 20, 2012, 04:13:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 20, 2012, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on November 20, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
The law of averages means that one day one of these lower league players we sign will be the dogs bollocks.

The trouble is we may have to step in a lot more dog shit to get that player.

I think you will find that Ashley Westwood will prove to be that player.

I think so too. I also think Lowton looks a very good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 20, 2012, 04:35:08 PM: I really like what i've seen of Lowton so far, he's made me forget we ever had Hutton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on November 20, 2012, 05:08:45 PM: i think if we did sell Bent and used his fee and wages to fund a bid for Milner i dont think it would be out of question for him to be tempted,

i dont know why i say that, i just think we would have a chance even though all signs would point to it being a no no.

he's been at City and won the league now but he looked like the odd man out when celebrating as he wasnt a part of the first team, and i reckon his chances will get fewer and fewer as City spend more and more, and i acept they will lose ya ya which would be a spanner, but i just get a feeling

i'm not saying it would be a certainty by any strech just worth a go, you never know
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 20, 2012, 05:09:28 PM: Regarding the comparison between Chester and Shawcross, hasn't Shawcross been part of the Stoke first team for years? And wasn't he bedded in out of the glare of a relegation struggle?

I'm not against the idea of Chester, and I don't think others are either, it's just that we recognise the lack of steel and experience in the squad in general and are hoping for something a bit more reassuring than a link to a Championship defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 20, 2012, 05:20:36 PM: I would try a Bid to swap Bent plus say 6 millions for both Milner and Barry to Man City to see if they bite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 05:25:24 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on November 20, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
I would try a Bid to swap Bent plus say 6 millions for both Milner and Barry to Man City to see if they bite.

Why would man city want bent ? They have 4 top quality strikers already and Barry and Milner are both very much part of their 1st team squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 05:27:14 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 20, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
I really like what i've seen of Lowton so far, he's made me forget we ever had Hutton.

Yes he looks a quality signing, I'm not writing off Bennett either as he's had a few injuries and I think we will see the best of him once he settles down .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 20, 2012, 05:30:42 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on November 20, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
I would try a Bid to swap Bent plus say 6 millions for both Milner and Barry to Man City to see if they bite.

That's just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, so I assume you must be joking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 20, 2012, 05:30:45 PM: Not to pour any more fuel on the 'milner's coming home' conspiracy, but stranger things have happened. Didn't Ferguson try a bid for Brian Deane before making his cheeky enquiry about Cantona's availability?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM: Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2012, 06:07:35 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 20, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
I really like what i've seen of Lowton so far, he's made me forget we ever had Hutton.

Unfortunately we're still paying his salary. We've pretty much got rid of the unwanted O'Neill signings but still have unwanted McLeish signings to get rid of.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 20, 2012, 06:13:29 PM: So lets go and sign some experience at lets say 3 year contracts on 60 maybe 70k a week, I tell you what lets sign Dunne , Warnock, Hutton, Nzogg who are the type of players who have got us in this shit that were in, one let himself go that much that he did not look like a prem lg player for at least six months, one that has been berated since Wembley, one that universally is agreed one of the worst players that has ever put on a Villa shirt and the other one who looked good for the last team he played for but never for us, that what got us in this shit, lets hope the players brought in can step up to mark and we survive, coz thats what this season is all about, then in the words of PL we go again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 20, 2012, 07:00:24 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 20, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
So lets go and sign some experience at lets say 3 year contracts on 60 maybe 70k a week, I tell you what lets sign Dunne , Warnock, Hutton, Nzogg who are the type of players who have got us in this shit that were in, one let himself go that much that he did not look like a prem lg player for at least six months, one that has been berated since Wembley, one that universally is agreed one of the worst players that has ever put on a Villa shirt and the other one who looked good for the last team he played for but never for us, that what got us in this shit, lets hope the players brought in can step up to mark and we survive, coz thats what this season is all about, then in the words of PL we go again.

Look how many people were crying out for Adam Johnson ? and he has been crap for Sunderland, probably on 80k a week .... PL will prove that young and hungry is the right way forward ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 20, 2012, 07:19:11 PM: I could see the new man city manager maybe getting rid of some players to bring in his own... Barry being one of those out the door. Milner won't be going anywhere though.

Would I have Barry back if that was the case? Yes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 20, 2012, 07:21:54 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 20, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
I could see the new man city manager maybe getting rid of some players to bring in his own... Barry being one of those out the door. Milner won't be going anywhere though.

Would I have Barry back if that was the case? Yes

Me too , he may be past his best but he's still quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 20, 2012, 07:32:29 PM: Why stop at Barry and Milner, I am sure that Aguero and Silva are burning to come, Kompany must also be a genuine target. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2012, 07:41:15 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 20, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
I could see the new man city manager maybe getting rid of some players to bring in his own... Barry being one of those out the door. Milner won't be going anywhere though.

Would I have Barry back if that was the case? Yes

If there was a change of manager at some point, Milner could end up being unhappy at the lack of football. There are too many if's for us to depend on it though. We need to find the next Milner, the next Barry etc. Barry cost little and Milner wouldn't have done had Newcastle not called off the original £4m deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 20, 2012, 07:44:18 PM: It would be nice to find the next James Milner, Gareth Barry, Ian Taylor, Tony Morley and Ashley Young but we have to find them. Let hope the German scout will find them soon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 20, 2012, 07:53:24 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 20, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
Milner won't be going anywhere though.

If it was up to him he would be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 20, 2012, 07:57:00 PM: Really? He's playing champions league football. Won the title and picking up a mahoosive wage packet.

I really do think he's a brilliant player. Not utilised enough at city for sure. But he is getting the games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 20, 2012, 07:57:17 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on November 20, 2012, 05:30:45 PM
Not to pour any more fuel on the 'milner's coming home' conspiracy, but stranger things have happened. Didn't Ferguson try a bid for Brian Deane before making his cheeky enquiry about Cantona's availability?

I think David Hurst failed a medical,so then Fergie went for Cantona. If Hurst was fitter,we probably wouldve won the league that season!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on November 20, 2012, 08:29:03 PM: Let's be realistic. No Manchester City players at their peak will be coming to Villa unless on loan. We won't pay their inflated salaries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 20, 2012, 09:01:29 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 20, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
Really? He's playing champions league football. Won the title and picking up a mahoosive wage packet.

I really do think he's a brilliant player. Not utilised enough at city for sure. But he is getting the games.

According to auntie beeb he's played 7 games this year out of about 18, a ratio which is likely to get worse once they're out of Europe/League Cup. He's involved but hardly an integral part of team. Personally I think a loan move would not be that beyond the limits reality. The biggest stumbling block, for me, is Milner admitting that he is on his way out of City.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 20, 2012, 09:14:32 PM: Quote from: go on the dog on November 20, 2012, 03:22:09 PM
James Chester played on loan at my local team Carlisle and he was very very good lads, Didn't Ryan Shawcross leave Man Utd to get games? I bet if we were linked to him a few of you would be happy, Chester is a good young player and thats the type of player were looking at now.

but we cant have a team of 11 James Chester's. My boro mates reckon Bennett was excellent but he has struggled in the prem , yes they may and will probably come good but need some experience in the team in January as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 20, 2012, 09:16:13 PM: Quote from: john e on November 20, 2012, 05:08:45 PM
i think if we did sell Bent and used his fee and wages to fund a bid for Milner i dont think it would be out of question for him to be tempted,

i dont know why i say that, i just think we would have a chance even though all signs would point to it being a no no.

he's been at City and won the league now but he looked like the odd man out when celebrating as he wasnt a part of the first team, and i reckon his chances will get fewer and fewer as City spend more and more, and i acept they will lose ya ya which would be a spanner, but i just get a feeling

i'm not saying it would be a certainty by any strech just worth a go, you never know

are we going to pay Milners wages then? He left to go city for double the money , he couldnt wait to go . There was a time when the deal might have been off and the lad was gutted .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 20, 2012, 09:18:51 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 20, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
So lets go and sign some experience at lets say 3 year contracts on 60 maybe 70k a week, I tell you what lets sign Dunne , Warnock, Hutton, Nzogg who are the type of players who have got us in this shit that were in, one let himself go that much that he did not look like a prem lg player for at least six months, one that has been berated since Wembley, one that universally is agreed one of the worst players that has ever put on a Villa shirt and the other one who looked good for the last team he played for but never for us, that what got us in this shit, lets hope the players brought in can step up to mark and we survive, coz thats what this season is all about, then in the words of PL we go again.

breathe brother , to be fair I would have Dunne back in the team , did you notice we are minus 12 on goal difference already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 20, 2012, 09:49:45 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 20, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 20, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
Really? He's playing champions league football. Won the title and picking up a mahoosive wage packet.

I really do think he's a brilliant player. Not utilised enough at city for sure. But he is getting the games.

According to auntie beeb he's played 7 games this year out of about 18, a ratio which is likely to get worse once they're out of Europe/League Cup. He's involved but hardly an integral part of team. Personally I think a loan move would not be that beyond the limits reality. The biggest stumbling block, for me, is Milner admitting that he is on his way out of City.

I'd love it Dante. But I just don't see him coming back to villa. Even on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM: Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 20, 2012, 10:58:09 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 20, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
So lets go and sign some experience at lets say 3 year contracts on 60 maybe 70k a week, I tell you what lets sign Dunne , Warnock, Hutton, Nzogg who are the type of players who have got us in this shit that were in, one let himself go that much that he did not look like a prem lg player for at least six months, one that has been berated since Wembley, one that universally is agreed one of the worst players that has ever put on a Villa shirt and the other one who looked good for the last team he played for but never for us, that what got us in this shit, lets hope the players brought in can step up to mark and we survive, coz thats what this season is all about, then in the words of PL we go again.

Yes the examples you have given have not exactly set the world alight (although Dunne and Warnock both have had some decent times at the club), but that doesn't mean that we should rule out buying in experienced players. Look at the 2010/11 season - we were in real trouble in January and went out and bought in a player with a proven Premier League record who arguably kept us in the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2012, 11:28:27 PM: If Bent were prepared to learn how to play a new position I wouldn't mind seeing him play in Weimann's position at some point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM: Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 20, 2012, 11:45:14 PM: Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

The reason Bent will be sold has nothing to do with him not fitting in with the system we play (in my opinion of course). It's all to do with his mega wages. That's the real reason he's out of the team and soon to be out of the club. Lerner won't be happy till he has a team of Championship standard players on 10k a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on November 21, 2012, 12:01:25 AM: Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.
I don't think we have the players to play a system to suit Bent in the squad. We no longer have the likes of Ash and Downing able to provide service from wide areas. We have Albrighton, who seems to have had all the promise sucked out of him, and N'zogbia, who only seems capable of running with the ball whilst looking at the floor, and runs like his feet are tied together. Holman runs around a lot, but struggles with five yard passes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 12:06:26 AM: Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

DO we have the players to do so? I think 4-4-2 with Bent and Benteke would work well personally, but you need good wide men that work hard and a real pair of centre mids that can work their arses off. And drop Gabby again.

I like Bent, and hope he stays and scores again like he did before, but it will take a lot of service to do so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 21, 2012, 12:10:08 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

DO we have the players to do so? I think 4-4-2 with Bent and Benteke would work well personally, but you need good wide men that work hard and a real pair of centre mids that can work their arses off. And drop Gabby again.

I like Bent, and hope he stays and scores again like he did before, but it will take a lot of service to do so.
You are right, if you are weak in centre mid, and we are angel dellight weight, its pretty difficult to open up space by playing wingers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: usav on November 21, 2012, 12:42:56 AM: Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him

That's just another way of saying we are shit - which we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 21, 2012, 07:20:35 AM: I'm not sure Bent's goals ever came from a 442 system, most I remember i.e. at sunderland and Charlton was when the team played counter attacking, longish football and Bent played off the shoulder of the CB.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on November 21, 2012, 08:52:46 AM: Quote from: MoetVillan on November 20, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.
Erm, we had this "experience" last year and we nearly got bummed down to the league below. At least we are playing some good stuff now, and enjoying going to the game, and the threat of actually getting a result.

thing is are we threatening getting a result....... even at 2-0 up against a shit Utd side i sat in the holte just knowing that we would lose 3-2...... absolutely fucking schoolboy IMO........ there is no threat of winning a game, I think were as bad as we have been in many years......

Oh, at least we tip tap it about a bit..... if this is the right way, id fucking hate to see the wrong way !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 21, 2012, 09:19:44 AM: Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

Dave is spot on.
It's time to look at a system that will bring the best out of Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2012, 09:25:15 AM: We do need Bent in the team and scoring, no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:29:44 AM: Quote from: adbo9 on November 21, 2012, 08:52:46 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on November 20, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on November 20, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
It worries me that Lambert is changing too much too soon. If N'Zogbia, Given, Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all to leave in Jan to to be replaced by a load of 22 year-olds untried in the Premier League I'd be pretty pissed off. We would have fuck-all left in terms of experience.
Erm, we had this "experience" last year and we nearly got bummed down to the league below. At least we are playing some good stuff now, and enjoying going to the game, and the threat of actually getting a result.

thing is are we threatening getting a result....... even at 2-0 up against a shit Utd side i sat in the holte just knowing that we would lose 3-2...... absolutely fucking schoolboy IMO........ there is no threat of winning a game, I think were as bad as we have been in many years......

Oh, at least we tip tap it about a bit..... if this is the right way, id fucking hate to see the wrong way !!

If at 2-0 up and with us playing well you sat in the Holte 'Knowing we would lose' ? I think maybe you should stop going, adbo.
Personally, I was in dreamland along with 30,000+ other Villa fans.
I don't think it was a s**t Utd team, a couple of players short of full strength, maybe, but certainly not s**t.
Unfortunately, they had a couple of lucky breaks and they were back in the game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:40:45 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 21, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

Dave is spot on.
It's time to look at a system that will bring the best out of Bent.

Disagree.
Unless you're suggesting we go and re-buy Young and Downing, or players of similar ilk, of course.
But, then you'd have the problem of Benteke. With a couple of players like Young and Downing I think he'd score for fun, and he can create for himself. Benteke has more to offer.
I don't think they would complement each other in the team, so, it's one or the other, and I know which one I, and, probably, the vast majority would opt for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 21, 2012, 12:16:31 PM: Quote from: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 21, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

Dave is spot on.
It's time to look at a system that will bring the best out of Bent.

Disagree.
Unless you're suggesting we go and re-buy Young and Downing, or players of similar ilk, of course.
How did he manage to score so many at Charlton then with Darren Ambrose, Matt Holland and Radostin Kishishev being his main supply line, or at Sunderland when he had Frazier Campbell, Jordan Henderson and Bolo Zenden?

It's not like it was Stanley Matthews pinging crosses in for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 21, 2012, 12:26:51 PM: We need Bent in the team . Gabby is the problem , Bent and Benteke up top for me . Its a shame our wide men are so shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on November 21, 2012, 12:37:44 PM: It's an interesting situation with Bent, he's clearly our most likely source of goals but it does tend to limit the effectiveness of strikers who play alongside him and has done throughout his career. The conundrum for Lambert is whether he wants to build his side around him or would prefer to bring in players to suit the way he wants us to play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 21, 2012, 12:41:43 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on November 21, 2012, 12:37:44 PM
It's an interesting situation with Bent, he's clearly our most likely source of goals but it does tend to limit the effectiveness of strikers who play alongside him and has done throughout his career. The conundrum for Lambert is whether he wants to build his side around him or would prefer to bring in players to suit the way he wants us to play.

It is, on the surface, a bizarre state of affairs. A current (well, when not injured) England pick, with a scoring record which compares very well to the best of strikers in the league, who we paid a fortune for not too long ago, and who can't get a came in a team that is struggling.

The really confusing thing is that the fact he can't get a game is entirely understandable, although to outsiders who don't follow us so closely, it must seem nuts.

I'd rather we found a way to play with Bent in the side, but if Lambert can't see a way of doing it and wants to move him on, then fair enough, it's understandable. We must then use the money to bring some experience into the side where we need it most, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 21, 2012, 12:46:12 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on November 21, 2012, 12:37:44 PM
It's an interesting situation with Bent, he's clearly our most likely source of goals but it does tend to limit the effectiveness of strikers who play alongside him and has done throughout his career. The conundrum for Lambert is whether he wants to build his side around him or would prefer to bring in players to suit the way he wants us to play.

Nothing to lose playing bent with benteke and leaving either Weimann or gabby out- it must be worth giving them a run together.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 21, 2012, 01:19:06 PM: I can't believe people have mentioned Milner and Barry. FFS. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 21, 2012, 01:34:44 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

DO we have the players to do so? I think 4-4-2 with Bent and Benteke would work well personally, but you need good wide men that work hard and a real pair of centre mids that can work their arses off. And drop Gabby again.

I like Bent, and hope he stays and scores again like he did before, but it will take a lot of service to do so.

We don't have the players to play a 4-4-2 Jim. We don't really have enough quality out wide and we are far too lightweight in central midfield to play that formation (in my opinion of course). If we are going to play two up front, then the only formation I can see working for us is 3-5-2.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 02:21:27 PM: Are there any sides that play 2 out and out forwards successfully at the moment? Spain played 4-6-0 in the summer and won the competition which was ridiculous in the extreme.

I agree that 3-5-2 would be the only way to make it work, Lowton and Bennet would have more space going forward and the midfield would not be totally over-run. Not too dissimilar from what Wigan have done going 3-4-3, which in reality is the old 3-5-2 as Maloney or whoever takes that role drops in to make it a 3 in the centre. It would also give Clark some support and might make us a bit more resolute at the back. The Baker would fit in alongside Vlaar and Clark ok too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2012, 02:45:15 PM: Quote from: Dave on November 21, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 21, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 20, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 20, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 20, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 20, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Why is everybody so eager to see the back of Bent, the one player we have who is guaranteed to score goals for us?

I have no idea. I'll be glad to see him back in contention.

I wouldn't say he's guaranteed to score goals for us, as we play a system that doesn't suit him
And without wanting to go over old ground, if we have a striker who has scored a f*ckload of goals at his other clubs (and in his first year or so with us), maybe we should think about playing a system where we might score occasionally.

If our new system were generating stacks of goals then I'd no problem leaving him out. But as it's not, maybe it's time to start using the tools at our disposal.

Dave is spot on.
It's time to look at a system that will bring the best out of Bent.

Disagree.
Unless you're suggesting we go and re-buy Young and Downing, or players of similar ilk, of course.
How did he manage to score so many at Charlton then with Darren Ambrose, Matt Holland and Radostin Kishishev being his main supply line, or at Sunderland when he had Frazier Campbell, Jordan Henderson and Bolo Zenden?

It's not like it was Stanley Matthews pinging crosses in for him.
He scored goals for us, under Houllier, with Young and Downing which was why I mentioned them, and to be fair, I'm eternally grateful that he did, too, as they probably kept us up.

The reason he scored for Sunderland and Charlton is, obviously, because their system suited him.
I noticed that you omitted Spurs from your example, he didn't score many there because their style didn't suit him. They've survived without him, I'm pretty sure we can too.

What you're saying is that Lambert has to change his footballing style and managerial philosophy to suit one player, and that would also mean the other 10 players have to fit in too.

It's time to move forward
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on November 21, 2012, 03:27:31 PM: He was Spurs top goalscrorer in his last season there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 21, 2012, 03:52:42 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Are there any sides that play 2 out and out forwards successfully at the moment? Spain played 4-6-0 in the summer and won the competition which was ridiculous in the extreme.

I agree that 3-5-2 would be the only way to make it work, Lowton and Bennet would have more space going forward and the midfield would not be totally over-run. Not too dissimilar from what Wigan have done going 3-4-3, which in reality is the old 3-5-2 as Maloney or whoever takes that role drops in to make it a 3 in the centre. It would also give Clark some support and might make us a bit more resolute at the back. The Baker would fit in alongside Vlaar and Clark ok too.
Has Lambert ever played 3-4-3?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 04:06:43 PM: Quote from: hawkeye on November 21, 2012, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Are there any sides that play 2 out and out forwards successfully at the moment? Spain played 4-6-0 in the summer and won the competition which was ridiculous in the extreme.

I agree that 3-5-2 would be the only way to make it work, Lowton and Bennet would have more space going forward and the midfield would not be totally over-run. Not too dissimilar from what Wigan have done going 3-4-3, which in reality is the old 3-5-2 as Maloney or whoever takes that role drops in to make it a 3 in the centre. It would also give Clark some support and might make us a bit more resolute at the back. The Baker would fit in alongside Vlaar and Clark ok too.
Has Lambert ever played 3-4-3?

He changed to it during games last season. We have seen the tinkering with the side that was predicted, but not the formation on the pitch like he did regularly through games at Norwich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2012, 06:03:46 PM: Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Baker Lichaj
Clark KEA
Weimann Ireland Gabby
Bent Benteke

That's how I'd go for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 21, 2012, 06:12:20 PM: I would try to see if we can play Bent, Benteke and Weinmann together.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 21, 2012, 06:21:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
...
I agree that 3-5-2 would be the only way to make it work, Lowton and Bennet would have more space going forward and the midfield would not be totally over-run. Not too dissimilar from what Wigan have done going 3-4-3, which in reality is the old 3-5-2 as Maloney or whoever takes that role drops in to make it a 3 in the centre. It would also give Clark some support and might make us a bit more resolute at the back. The Baker would fit in alongside Vlaar and Clark ok too.
I argued this a while ago, partly to suggest that Delph would make a good left WB and partly to address the fact that we seem to get overrun through the CMF. With Lowton and Delph as WB, and a three from a combo of Baker, CC, Vlaar and Lichaj at CB we'd look a lot stronger throughout th erest of ht epitch.

Having said all of that, the current 4-3-2-1 also works for me; subject to getting some wins under our belt!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 21, 2012, 06:23:37 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on November 21, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Baker Lichaj
Clark KEA
Weimann Ireland Gabby
Bent Benteke

That's how I'd go for the forseeable future.

I doubt if even fielding 12 men like that would improve us much *wink*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2012, 06:28:02 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 21, 2012, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on November 21, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Baker Lichaj
Clark KEA
Weimann Ireland Gabby
Bent Benteke

That's how I'd go for the forseeable future.

I doubt if even fielding 12 men like that would improve us much *wink*

Ha ha indeed, I'd also have Westwood in the side. Saturday apart we've looked a better side since he started playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 21, 2012, 06:31:38 PM: Fhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svgtiaDPhzE&feature=g-all-lik

Flog Bent and have Benteke and this guy upfront.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 21, 2012, 06:37:24 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on November 21, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Baker Lichaj
Clark KEA
Weimann Ireland Gabby
Bent Benteke

That's how I'd go for the forseeable future.

Guzan

Lowton. Vlaar. Baker. Bennett

Clark. . Westwood

Ireland/bannan Weimann/gabby

Benteke. Bent

That's how I'd go if all fit with Ireland or bannan , and Weimann or gabby .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 06:56:21 PM: I would certainly have KEA in with Westwood, but then I would move Clark to left back and Baker in alongside Concrete. When fit I would get NZogbia, Gabby and Benteke up front, with Bannan or Ireland, depending on form.

The other option is a back 3 of Clark, Baker and Vlaar, Lowton and Bennet as wing backs and a 3 of Ireland Westwood and KEA, with Benteke and Bent up front.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 21, 2012, 06:59:35 PM: That is the problem how we play at the moment we need all 10 outfield players working, how many people have stated on here if the service is not right Bent might as well not be on the pitch, we have not got the players in the team at the moment that can supply him, so if thats the case give me a working Benteke and for all his faults a working back Gabby and if need be where I think he is wasted a wide Andy, but a Bent does not work for the team Bent woks for his self.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 21, 2012, 07:47:05 PM: Fucking hell, I thought Risso had cracked it there until I counted 'em.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on November 21, 2012, 08:06:23 PM: I'd try Holman in Ireland's role on Sat and KEA in for Bannan, would also rotate N'Zobgia with Weimann and Gabby when fit but have Bent as back up to Benteke only. Bennett for Stevens too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2012, 08:29:28 PM: Drogba seeking a move.

Quote
Didier Drogba asks Fifa for permission to move on loan

Former Chelsea striker Didier Drogba wants a loan move away from Shanghai Shenhua, despite being outside the official transfer window.
The 34-year-old is believed to be keen to play for a new team to prepare for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations as the Chinese season has finished.
He has asked Fifa for special permission to leave.

"The Fifa administration services are looking into it," Fifa said in a statement.
It is not known whether Drogba has a club lined up to move to, but the Ivory Coast international has been linked with a move back to Marseille, the club he left for Chelsea in 2004, as well as Liverpool.
He teamed up with former Chelsea colleague Nicolas Anelka in China in June after agreeing a two-and-a-half-year contract with Shenhua.
Drogba's last act in a Chelsea shirt was scoring the winning penalty in the Champions League final defeat of Bayern Munich in May.
He has scored eight goals in 11 games for the Chinese side.
Existing rules prevent Drogba from representing another club until 1 January.
The 2013 Africa Cup of Nations takes place in South Africa between 19 January and 10 February.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:20:09 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on November 21, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
He was Spurs top goalscrorer in his last season there

Was only 12 in the league and 1 in the league cup, David.
He also got 4 in the uefa cup.

I'm not disputing the fact that he can score goals given the right service and playing the system to suit his game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 21, 2012, 09:23:39 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
Drogba seeking a move.

Quote
Didier Drogba asks Fifa for permission to move on loan

Former Chelsea striker Didier Drogba wants a loan move away from Shanghai Shenhua, despite being outside the official transfer window.
The 34-year-old is believed to be keen to play for a new team to prepare for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations as the Chinese season has finished.
He has asked Fifa for special permission to leave.

"The Fifa administration services are looking into it," Fifa said in a statement.
It is not known whether Drogba has a club lined up to move to, but the Ivory Coast international has been linked with a move back to Marseille, the club he left for Chelsea in 2004, as well as Liverpool.
He teamed up with former Chelsea colleague Nicolas Anelka in China in June after agreeing a two-and-a-half-year contract with Shenhua.
Drogba's last act in a Chelsea shirt was scoring the winning penalty in the Champions League final defeat of Bayern Munich in May.
He has scored eight goals in 11 games for the Chinese side.
Existing rules prevent Drogba from representing another club until 1 January.
The 2013 Africa Cup of Nations takes place in South Africa between 19 January and 10 February.

We'll see Lord Lucan in a Villa shirt before Drogba.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 21, 2012, 09:34:57 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on November 21, 2012, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
Drogba seeking a move.

Quote
Didier Drogba asks Fifa for permission to move on loan

Former Chelsea striker Didier Drogba wants a loan move away from Shanghai Shenhua, despite being outside the official transfer window.
The 34-year-old is believed to be keen to play for a new team to prepare for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations as the Chinese season has finished.
He has asked Fifa for special permission to leave.

"The Fifa administration services are looking into it," Fifa said in a statement.
It is not known whether Drogba has a club lined up to move to, but the Ivory Coast international has been linked with a move back to Marseille, the club he left for Chelsea in 2004, as well as Liverpool.
He teamed up with former Chelsea colleague Nicolas Anelka in China in June after agreeing a two-and-a-half-year contract with Shenhua.
Drogba's last act in a Chelsea shirt was scoring the winning penalty in the Champions League final defeat of Bayern Munich in May.
He has scored eight goals in 11 games for the Chinese side.
Existing rules prevent Drogba from representing another club until 1 January.
The 2013 Africa Cup of Nations takes place in South Africa between 19 January and 10 February.

We'll see Lord Lucan in a Villa shirt before Drogba.
Red Rum already has the shirt with his own name on the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 21, 2012, 10:17:06 PM: One thing is certain, if we sell Bent and go down, Lambert will get pelters for it for a long, long time
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 21, 2012, 10:18:11 PM: If drogba goes anywhere it'll be somewhere like France. Slightly competitive league but nothing too taxing ready for the African cup.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on November 21, 2012, 11:06:16 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 21, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
If drogba goes anywhere it'll be somewhere like France. Slightly competitive league but nothing too taxing ready for the African cup.

And, y'know, he speaks French.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 21, 2012, 11:07:47 PM: Michael Dawson was going to QPR in the summer window. Worth some experienced defensive support ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 21, 2012, 11:23:43 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 21, 2012, 11:07:47 PM
Michael Dawson was going to QPR in the summer window. Worth some experienced defensive support ?

They were going to pay about 8 million for him, which is way too much, and they couldn't agree on personal terms so he must demand very high salary if QPR weren't gonna pay it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2012, 11:47:53 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 21, 2012, 07:47:05 PM
Fucking hell, I thought Risso had cracked it there until I counted 'em.

Apologies, that was supposed to be KEA/Clark sat in front of the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on November 21, 2012, 11:47:54 PM: Quote from: nigel on November 21, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on November 21, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
He was Spurs top goalscrorer in his last season there

Was only 12 in the league and 1 in the league cup, David.
He also got 4 in the uefa cup.

I'm not disputing the fact that he can score goals given the right service and playing the system to suit his game.

Still top scorer in all comps and he wasn't a regular starter.I think there like with us the issue of what he does when not scoring is what ultimately kept him from being a regular and leaving.I would be intrested to know his assists stats I imagine its pretty poor

Looks like Drogba is going back to Chelsea on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2012, 12:05:08 AM: Saying everyone's looking to change the team, it didn't look too bad just over a week ago (Man United, Sunderland away).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 22, 2012, 12:16:56 AM: You're right OCD. It took us a while to stumble on what looked like the right system and personell. Stick with it I'd say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 22, 2012, 12:32:30 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 22, 2012, 12:16:56 AM
You're right OCD. It took us a while to stumble on what looked like the right system and personell. Stick with it I'd say.

Agree with sticking with the system Percy, but the personnel may need tinkering here and there. I would consider bringing back Bennett (for Stevens) and KEA (for Bannan) for this weekend, with Holman, Dunne and N'Zogbia being in contention in the future.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 22, 2012, 12:41:48 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on November 21, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 21, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
If drogba goes anywhere it'll be somewhere like France. Slightly competitive league but nothing too taxing ready for the African cup.

And, y'know, he speaks French.

Does he now?? Well that make it even more alluring ;-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 22, 2012, 05:08:03 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 22, 2012, 12:32:30 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 22, 2012, 12:16:56 AM
You're right OCD. It took us a while to stumble on what looked like the right system and personell. Stick with it I'd say.

Agree with sticking with the system Percy, but the personnel may need tinkering here and there. I would consider bringing back Bennett (for Stevens) and KEA (for Bannan) for this weekend, with Holman, Dunne and N'Zogbia being in contention in the future.

We played well and despite what happened at the end had every reason to be proud of the performance. But that doesn't hide the fact that we are very weak in midfield.

If you consider the spine of the team to be key, we have Guzan, Vlaar/Clark/Baker and Benteke/Bent/Weimann. Cause for optimism.

We have no-one in midfield good enough to complete the picture. Westwood's time will come, as will at least one of Johnson/Carruthers/Gardner. KEA may well turn out to be a good signing but right now and for the next couple of seasons we need a serious upgrade in midfield.

If we'd have had nearer to 50/50 possession against ManU they wouldn't have sniffed us. A better ratio against ManCity might have given us a very different game too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on November 22, 2012, 04:57:15 PM: Do people reckon there is much to spend or are we going to have to flog Bent to raise funds? It would be sadly ironic if, to give ourselves a chance of staying up, we had to sell the player that 2 years previously Randy somehow stumped up the cash for and kept us up that year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2012, 05:23:41 PM: Lerner's issue has always seemed to be about keeping the wages to a manageable level - he doesn't seem to have a problem with backing managers over transfer fees. He's got the money from the Brown's deal and from a business perspective, he's got another asset that is in real danger at the moment and the new, significantly larger tv deal starts next season. I think Lambert will have all the backing he needs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM: From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on November 22, 2012, 06:52:16 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on November 21, 2012, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 21, 2012, 08:29:28 PM
Drogba seeking a move.

Quote
Didier Drogba asks Fifa for permission to move on loan

Former Chelsea striker Didier Drogba wants a loan move away from Shanghai Shenhua, despite being outside the official transfer window.
The 34-year-old is believed to be keen to play for a new team to prepare for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations as the Chinese season has finished.
He has asked Fifa for special permission to leave.

"The Fifa administration services are looking into it," Fifa said in a statement.
It is not known whether Drogba has a club lined up to move to, but the Ivory Coast international has been linked with a move back to Marseille, the club he left for Chelsea in 2004, as well as Liverpool.
He teamed up with former Chelsea colleague Nicolas Anelka in China in June after agreeing a two-and-a-half-year contract with Shenhua.
Drogba's last act in a Chelsea shirt was scoring the winning penalty in the Champions League final defeat of Bayern Munich in May.
He has scored eight goals in 11 games for the Chinese side.
Existing rules prevent Drogba from representing another club until 1 January.
The 2013 Africa Cup of Nations takes place in South Africa between 19 January and 10 February.

We'll see Lord Lucan in a Villa shirt before Drogba.

It is Movember. They all look like Lord Lucan. Except Benteke. And Bent. And Bannan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 23, 2012, 10:20:50 AM: If the FA or Fifa sanction Drogba going to Chelsea in November it will say a lot about the power in football and how much that power is bought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM: Quote from: Steve Rose on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.

So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:47:05 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.

I'd have to agree with that, although not so much as to term the player in question crap, but in the sense that buying just more "future potential" in January would put us in a really tough position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 23, 2012, 10:47:13 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.

So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull?

You've seen him play? You know of his capabilities and know he's crap? I suppose he could never be another Hutton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 23, 2012, 10:47:24 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.

So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.

When we're down next season we'll have no good players to lose.

Like when West Ham lost nearly everyone when they went down years ago.

We can keep the same squad and try and come back up again ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 23, 2012, 10:48:11 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.

I'd have to agree with that, although not so much as to term the player in question crap, but in the sense that buying just more "future potential" in January would put us in a really tough position.

Yes 'crap' is a ludicrous word to use as we have no idea. However we need establish, experienced quality in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 23, 2012, 10:50:07 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 23, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.

I'd have to agree with that, although not so much as to term the player in question crap, but in the sense that buying just more "future potential" in January would put us in a really tough position.

Yes 'crap' is a ludicrous word to use as we have no idea. However we need establish, experienced quality in January.

Wonder what Robert Pires is doing these days?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:50:17 AM: Quote from: not3bad on November 23, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.

So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull?

You've seen him play? You know of his capabilities and know he's crap? I suppose he could never be another Hutton.

I have actually, and he's nothing special. Just another average lower league player. The type we seem to be infatuated with at the moment because they probably don't demand more than £10k a week wages.
If we want to stay up we have to pay the going rate for PL players. You get what you pay for in life. Football is no different.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on November 23, 2012, 10:52:17 AM: I think quality is most important. We need players that can come in and go straight into the team and make a difference. We've got plenty of potential at the moment, but we need quality now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM: What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

I have no idea if Austin is shit hot or not, but he's a lower leagues player at the moment, so I'm not imagining he'd have the most amazing impact on the team.

If we are going to sell Bent, then the money in needs to be used in part on two or three experienced players where we need them. Unfortunately, two or three experienced players wages combined will probably exceed Bent's, and we know - because they keep telling us - that the problem is the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:58:52 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

I have no idea if Austin is shit hot or not, but he's a lower leagues player at the moment, so I'm not imagining he'd have the most amazing impact on the team.

If we are going to sell Bent, then the money in needs to be used in part on two or three experienced players where we need them. Unfortunately, two or three experienced players wages combined will probably exceed Bent's, and we know - because they keep telling us - that the problem is the wage bill.

Which is probably what will happen. I'm convinced the club are preparing themselves for life in the Championship next season. Getting rid of all the top earners, whilst signing cheap players who will not ask for a move next season.
Paranoid? Perhaps, but I wouldn't put it past Lerner and his cronies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2012, 11:05:04 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

I have no idea if Austin is shit hot or not, but he's a lower leagues player at the moment, so I'm not imagining he'd have the most amazing impact on the team.

If we are going to sell Bent, then the money in needs to be used in part on two or three experienced players where we need them. Unfortunately, two or three experienced players wages combined will probably exceed Bent's, and we know - because they keep telling us - that the problem is the wage bill.

Which is probably what will happen. I'm convinced the club are preparing themselves for life in the Championship next season. Getting rid of all the top earners, whilst signing cheap players who will not ask for a move next season.
Paranoid? Perhaps, but I wouldn't put it past Lerner and his cronies.

What absolute nonsense.

Lambert had a successful model at Norwich and got the job with us on the back of that model, which is to sign players who aren't established but have key attributes to have the potential to perform to a higher standard in his system. Who he signs is nothing to do with some conspiracy to have a young team in place ready for the championship and all to do with him trying to do what he thinks is right.

I don't get why so many people on here seem determined to turn Lerner into some kind of comedy villain who is going out of his way to ruin the club. Has he made mistakes, yes, a fair number but they are all mistakes, not premeditated acts to inflict as much damage as possible on the club and fans as some people seem to want to believe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 23, 2012, 11:10:01 AM: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 23, 2012, 11:11:18 AM: Quote from: paul_e on November 23, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

I have no idea if Austin is shit hot or not, but he's a lower leagues player at the moment, so I'm not imagining he'd have the most amazing impact on the team.

If we are going to sell Bent, then the money in needs to be used in part on two or three experienced players where we need them. Unfortunately, two or three experienced players wages combined will probably exceed Bent's, and we know - because they keep telling us - that the problem is the wage bill.

Which is probably what will happen. I'm convinced the club are preparing themselves for life in the Championship next season. Getting rid of all the top earners, whilst signing cheap players who will not ask for a move next season.
Paranoid? Perhaps, but I wouldn't put it past Lerner and his cronies.

What absolute nonsense.

Lambert had a successful model at Norwich and got the job with us on the back of that model, which is to sign players who aren't established but have key attributes to have the potential to perform to a higher standard in his system. Who he signs is nothing to do with some conspiracy to have a young team in place ready for the championship and all to do with him trying to do what he thinks is right.

I don't get why so many people on here seem determined to turn Lerner into some kind of comedy villain who is going out of his way to ruin the club. Has he made mistakes, yes, a fair number but they are all mistakes, not premeditated acts to inflict as much damage as possible on the club and fans as some people seem to want to believe.
I'm afraid you're wrong there Paul. Randy is evil, pure evil. I've seen him sat on a rotating chair, stroking a cat and laughing maniacally. True story.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 23, 2012, 11:20:18 AM: I heard he bit the head off a jelly baby in front of David Sullivan, and you can imagine how much that would have upset the rags-to-riches weeble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 23, 2012, 12:14:44 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

I have no idea if Austin is shit hot or not, but he's a lower leagues player at the moment, so I'm not imagining he'd have the most amazing impact on the team.

If we are going to sell Bent, then the money in needs to be used in part on two or three experienced players where we need them. Unfortunately, two or three experienced players wages combined will probably exceed Bent's, and we know - because they keep telling us - that the problem is the wage bill.

I haven't read or heard anything about the wage bill recently and whether it needs to be trimmed further.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 23, 2012, 12:30:50 PM: Kendrick said a number of times towards the end of the summer that they are now happy with the wage bill. I think 3-4 will come in January, on wages like Vlaar. I can see us going abroad again, and lets be honest, what is available, experienced in the Prem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on November 23, 2012, 12:40:17 PM: Surely only Bent ,Gabby,Ireland and Given are on massive wages (in regards to our turnover) now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on November 23, 2012, 12:47:06 PM: And Dunne and N'Zogbia and Makoun, Warnock and Hutton when they return from their loans
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 23, 2012, 01:31:32 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on November 23, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Surely only Bent ,Gabby,Ireland and Given are on massive wages (in regards to our turnover) now?
Quote from: pedro25 on November 23, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
And Dunne and N'Zogbia and Makoun, Warnock and Hutton when they return from their loans

All of who (Bent aside) could be replaced by better players on less money than they are currently earning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on November 23, 2012, 01:56:15 PM: Correct, maybe Bent as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on November 23, 2012, 02:32:21 PM: Under ' Speculation ' , this from Talkshite today :

Aston Villa are locked in a two-way battle with Fiorentina to sign France Under-21 left-back Massadio Haidara.
Former Villa boss Alex McLeish had lined up a deal for the Haidara earlier this summer but new manager Paul Lambert failed to complete it.
Sources in Italy claim the £2.5m-rated defender, who has spent his whole career at Nancy, is now being courted by Fiorentina.
But Villa are still thought to be interested in the 19-year-old and could make an offer when the transfer market re-opens in six weeks' time .

Apparently one of McLiesh,s ' possible ' signings..................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 23, 2012, 05:59:28 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 23, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on November 22, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
From what I have read we have money to spend without selling.

Wages has indeed been the issue. Hekey's fee of 3.5 mill, for example, would have been dwarfed by amount of money we paid him.

We can also buy/pay in advance against the salaries we are guaranteed to save in the summer - Warnock & Dunne.

So why are we still linked with more lower league crap like James Chester from Hull? If these are the type of players we'll be looking to sign in January we may as well sign up for the Championship right now.

Funny you should ask me that. I saw Lambert in the betting shop this afternoon and asked him the same question. Apparently Chester has the turning circle of the Ark Royal and scores own goals for fun.

Fortunately he only wants 55k a week and at 4 mill is an obvious choice to replace Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 23, 2012, 08:17:30 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

What?
The bloke who used to play for Swindon?

That had better be a fucking joke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 23, 2012, 08:19:53 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 23, 2012, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

What?
The bloke who used to play for Swindon?

That had better be a fucking joke.

I said this is what I'd thought would happen, as much as Austin is banging them in, it would be a big risk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2012, 08:23:48 PM: I heard recently that he broke a Burnley scoring record that had previously been held by a certain Mr Lochhead.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on November 23, 2012, 08:24:34 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
I heard recently that he broke a Burnley scoring record that had previously been held by a certain Mr Lochhead.
Yes, it's on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 23, 2012, 09:18:51 PM: He would not be directly replacing Bent though would he, as Bent is hardly playing. Unless we adapt the formation to include 2 strikers, I can see Bent going and not being replaced by an out and out striker,and if he is, one more in the Benteke mould than anything else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2012, 10:05:43 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 23, 2012, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
I heard recently that he broke a Burnley scoring record that had previously been held by a certain Mr Lochhead.
Yes, it's on Wikipedia.

So what I heard was probably true then, which is always handy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 23, 2012, 10:33:42 PM: Quote from: Shrek on November 23, 2012, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 23, 2012, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

What?
The bloke who used to play for Swindon?

That had better be a fucking joke.

I said this is what I'd thought would happen, as much as Austin is banging them in, it would be a big risk.

Screams of the Jermaine Beckford situation, which is one of many. There's plenty of exceptions, but I wouldn't necessarily take 'scoring loads of goals in lower leagues' as a justification for a signing. He does look pretty good, but I'd rather we got another Benteke for peanuts from a foreign league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 23, 2012, 10:48:09 PM: Are we not linked with the guy from St Ettiene and that Bony chap just as strongly, both of which have been excellent this season, and were definitely on our radar in the summer, with Bony really annoyed with his club for blocking it at the last minute?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on November 23, 2012, 11:14:17 PM: Anyone know the details of Andy Carrolls loan to West Ham? Is it season long? I know Liverpool supposedly still owe is some wedge for Downing, and they also need/want a striker. Could a deal with Carroll coming to us, Bent going to the dippers be done?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2012, 11:17:06 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 23, 2012, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: Shrek on November 23, 2012, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on November 23, 2012, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 23, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
What would be truly disastrous would be Bent being sold and "replaced" (not directly but in the sense of another striker body in) by the likes of Charlie Austin who we've been linked to.

What?
The bloke who used to play for Swindon?

That had better be a fucking joke.

I said this is what I'd thought would happen, as much as Austin is banging them in, it would be a big risk.

Screams of the Jermaine Beckford situation, which is one of many. There's plenty of exceptions, but I wouldn't necessarily take 'scoring loads of goals in lower leagues' as a justification for a signing. He does look pretty good, but I'd rather we got another Benteke for peanuts from a foreign league.

They're quite different. Beckford was a lot older when he started scoring in big numbers and lot of his goals were due to him being quicker than the defenders he was facing.

Austin looks like a player who would score at any level, like Benteke he just seems to find gaps that other players don't. I wouldn't be against us signing him, not as a replacement for Bent though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 01:01:36 AM: Carroll has yet to score for West Ham, and I think I would sooner have the battering ram we have got to be honest. The pair could not play together.

For me we need a tricky player in Jan, that can run at players and really beat them with a bit of skill to unlock a chance. Ash did it for us and we really miss it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 24, 2012, 01:19:59 AM: To be fair to him, Austin has already scored over 20 goals this season for Burnley and has got a good scoring record in his short career (especially as he was playing non-league football 3 years ago). Unfortunately scoring goals in the lower leagues does not guarantee a player will score goals in the Premiership, as the likes of David Nugent have proved. I think Burnley would want a fair amount for him as well and agree that better value for money can probably be found abroad.

If we are going to continue with the current formation, then we probably will need to bring in a similar player to Benteke, as our other strikers probably could not carry out that role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM: The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VancouverLion on November 24, 2012, 08:11:47 AM: sell Bent and buy Austin FFS I give up!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:29:49 AM: The Beckford -Austin comparison isn't really fair.

Beckford came from league one straight to the prem, Austin is ripping it up in the championship, which is a better league.

If it happens, we have to just accept its Lambert's policy, which if it works is so much better than the old journey men method.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 24, 2012, 08:48:59 AM: Yeah,because we're doing so well without him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2012, 09:19:59 AM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 23, 2012, 10:33:42 PM
... I wouldn't necessarily take 'scoring loads of goals in lower leagues' as a justification for a signing. He does look pretty good, but I'd rather we got another Benteke for peanuts from a foreign league.
Benteke didn't cost "peanuts".
And I was flying the flag for Jordan Rhodes 18 months' ago; he'd have been scoring in the EPL by now, IMHO.

Do we need another striker? - I think have players who can hit the back of the net; what we need are more chances for them. A supplier-player is the signing I'm hoping for, and a player who can stop the oppo through the MF.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 09:34:03 AM: Quote from: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.

I think Sunderland, Spur and Villa are all pretty big clubs in fairness!

Charlton, Ipswich and Sunderland fans would say him scoring goals was to the benefit of their sides too, and I think with all the stick he takes at the moment for apparent laziness, it should be remembered that his goals did actually keep us up under Houllier, while his double at Arsenal was exceptional. Service is the issue now, and playing a side to his strengths. I would love us to have a top quality pair in central midfield, allowing us to play with Bent and Benteke up top, as together they would be formidable in my opinion. Also, his ground covered stats suggest he is not quite as lazy as people like to make out, maybe not effective in his tracking back etc, but certainly not lazy. I like Bent a lot as a player, and would dearly love to see him scoring goals for us again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on November 24, 2012, 10:27:37 AM: I rate both Bent and Benteke but the only way I can see them in the same team without significantly weakening an already iffy midfield is if Benteke drops back to the wide role that Gabby and Weimann have been doing okay in. He showed what he could do in that position with the first goal against Man Yoo, but it would probably nullify one of his his main weapons, which is in the air in the box. It might be worth a try and Lambert did shift big Ben out wide left in the latter stages against Swindon I believe. But going 4-4-2 with both of them up front would be a recipe for disaster unless we could suddenly find the new Keane and Vieira to play centre midfield.

I'd keep all our strikers as there will no doubt be injuries and suspensions to cover for later. As Mr E said, the priority has to more steel and more creativity in midfield, especially from out wide.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on November 24, 2012, 11:42:17 AM: Quote from: VancouverLion on November 24, 2012, 08:11:47 AM
sell Bent and buy Austin FFS I give up!!

That's not official from the club, we're just talking. FFS.

Personally I'd quite happily not meddle with the forwards. I think unless Bent is actively pushing for a move he'll be kept, If we sell him and get relegated it would be a huge stick to flog the board with. I think a Bid for Yaya Toure would be just the ticket.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 24, 2012, 11:49:49 AM: We need better players in midfield first and foremost. I'd leave the front line till the summer. I'd love to see Andy develop into a first choice. He's got great potential to be perfect foil for Benteke. Come the summer we can flog Gabby and Bent and move forward.

For now though we need to sort out the problem in midfield. Not enough goals (made from, or score directly from), not enough protection for the back four. We lack a midfielder who'll approach double figures.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on November 24, 2012, 12:05:08 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 24, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
We need better players in midfield first and foremost. I'd leave the front line till the summer. I'd love to see Andy develop into a first choice. He's got great potential to be perfect foil for Benteke. Come the summer we can flog Gabby and Bent and move forward.

For now though we need to sort out the problem in midfield. Not enough goals (made from, or score directly from), not enough protection for the back four. We lack a midfielder who'll approach double figures.

I get the impression that Lambert likes Gabby so would be surprised if he's one that we look to replace. I also think we need to give the new signings more than 12 games before we write them off, we can always strengthen but I think anyone expecting wholesale changes is going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:18:19 PM: Quote from: VancouverLion on November 24, 2012, 08:11:47 AM
sell Bent and buy Austin FFS I give up!!

He does have a bionic eye thou which could be useful
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:19:03 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 24, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
Yeah,because we're doing so well without him.

spot on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 24, 2012, 12:20:40 PM: Quote from: Mister E on November 24, 2012, 09:19:59 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on November 23, 2012, 10:33:42 PM
... I wouldn't necessarily take 'scoring loads of goals in lower leagues' as a justification for a signing. He does look pretty good, but I'd rather we got another Benteke for peanuts from a foreign league.
Benteke didn't cost "peanuts".
And I was flying the flag for Jordan Rhodes 18 months' ago; he'd have been scoring in the EPL by now, IMHO.

Do we need another striker? - I think have players who can hit the back of the net; what we need are more chances for them. A supplier-player is the signing I'm hoping for, and a player who can stop the oppo through the MF.

I know Benteke wasn't cheap, but he was cheaper than Rhodes and looks like twice the player he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:21:20 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.

I think Sunderland, Spur and Villa are all pretty big clubs in fairness!

Charlton, Ipswich and Sunderland fans would say him scoring goals was to the benefit of their sides too, and I think with all the stick he takes at the moment for apparent laziness, it should be remembered that his goals did actually keep us up under Houllier, while his double at Arsenal was exceptional. Service is the issue now, and playing a side to his strengths. I would love us to have a top quality pair in central midfield, allowing us to play with Bent and Benteke up top, as together they would be formidable in my opinion. Also, his ground covered stats suggest he is not quite as lazy as people like to make out, maybe not effective in his tracking back etc, but certainly not lazy. I like Bent a lot as a player, and would dearly love to see him scoring goals for us again.

spot on Ozz , DB is not lazy at all . its just some people on here expect him to play like Wayne Rooney . I bet If he played for Arsenal , he would score 25 goals easy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on November 24, 2012, 12:46:34 PM: So why doesn't he play for Arsenal then?

He's a good finisher but I think the more successful clubs require a bit more from there forwards and it's that side of his game that has always held him back. When he signed for us a mate said that Bent tends to do well personally without improving the team, I argued that it was down to not finding the right manager/system to make the most of what he brings. I still think the same but do keep having nagging doubts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa for life on November 24, 2012, 12:57:02 PM: Like you said, "the more successful clubs require a bit more"....
However, where we are at the moment, we should be happy that we have a "good finisher" on our books. It's the surest way to ensure top flight survival.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on November 24, 2012, 08:28:39 PM: Just wonder if only Gabby of our top 11 highest earners started tonight as Given, Hutton, Dunne, Warnock, Holman, Ireland, Petrov, Makoun, N'Zogbia and Bent were all signed by previous managers and all missed out. Ok several were unavailable but is it a coincidence he keeps ignoring Holman, Ireland, Bent and N'Zogbia in favour of Bannan, El Ahmadi etc., even Delph, Herd and Albrighton on occasion this season. I still think we need some serious performances and form from Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia etc. to pull us out of trouble and we can't afford to sign new players with guys like this still hanging around the club and not playing. Over the entire summer we only managed to shift Collins other than those out of contract so to shift those 10 could take years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.

I think Sunderland, Spur and Villa are all pretty big clubs in fairness!

Charlton, Ipswich and Sunderland fans would say him scoring goals was to the benefit of their sides too, and I think with all the stick he takes at the moment for apparent laziness, it should be remembered that his goals did actually keep us up under Houllier, while his double at Arsenal was exceptional. Service is the issue now, and playing a side to his strengths. I would love us to have a top quality pair in central midfield, allowing us to play with Bent and Benteke up top, as together they would be formidable in my opinion. Also, his ground covered stats suggest he is not quite as lazy as people like to make out, maybe not effective in his tracking back etc, but certainly not lazy. I like Bent a lot as a player, and would dearly love to see him scoring goals for us again.

spot on Ozz , DB is not lazy at all . its just some people on here expect him to play like Wayne Rooney . I bet If he played for Arsenal , he would score 25 goals easy.

Totslly agree. I never heard man united fans moaning that van nistelrooy was lazy.

Use the player for what he is. Which is a goal scorer. So he doesn't play wide or doesn't drop that deep. So what! He's a great, natural goal scorer. Use it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on November 24, 2012, 08:42:29 PM: Looks like we can discount QPR as on of the clubs interested in Bent.

If he's off, I'd say Fulham or Stoke are the most likely destinations.

Not sure how they do it, but Stoke have spent a fair bit -on both fees and wages- over the last few years.

Jol actually mentioned him by name a few weeks back - so there could be something going on in that regard.

I'm not sure they could afford the full whack though (we should be looking in excess of £12 million). Maybe cash and one of their players would be the way to go.

Riise would fill the gap we have at Left Back -and Fulham might be keen, when you look at the average age of their squad now. For us, we need a few older heads (but decent with it, not dross like Hutton).

I haven't discounted the possibility that Bennett might come good in time, but I'd be more comfortable with the idea of him as back up for the next season or two. We've looked weak down that side even prior to his brainfreeze v Norwich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on November 25, 2012, 04:39:03 AM: Maybe we should put in a sneaky bid for Sneider, given he's in dispute with Inter :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ashkar on November 25, 2012, 05:47:43 AM: IN
Guidetti ( Played with Vlaar and KEA)
Boyata/Tom Lees (Young right sided Central Defender)
Dale Stephens (Central Midfielder, Lambert has already made a bid during summer)
Hoolahan (quality playmaker)

OUT
Bent
Dunne
Ireland
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 25, 2012, 09:12:24 AM: I think Ireland will stay. Wouldn't be surprised to see given out the door though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 09:26:34 AM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.

I think Sunderland, Spur and Villa are all pretty big clubs in fairness!

Charlton, Ipswich and Sunderland fans would say him scoring goals was to the benefit of their sides too, and I think with all the stick he takes at the moment for apparent laziness, it should be remembered that his goals did actually keep us up under Houllier, while his double at Arsenal was exceptional. Service is the issue now, and playing a side to his strengths. I would love us to have a top quality pair in central midfield, allowing us to play with Bent and Benteke up top, as together they would be formidable in my opinion. Also, his ground covered stats suggest he is not quite as lazy as people like to make out, maybe not effective in his tracking back etc, but certainly not lazy. I like Bent a lot as a player, and would dearly love to see him scoring goals for us again.

spot on Ozz , DB is not lazy at all . its just some people on here expect him to play like Wayne Rooney . I bet If he played for Arsenal , he would score 25 goals easy.

Totslly agree. I never heard man united fans moaning that van nistelrooy was lazy.

Use the player for what he is. Which is a goal scorer. So he doesn't play wide or doesn't drop that deep. So what! He's a great, natural goal scorer. Use it

Bent is no Van Nistelrooy.

Yes Bent kept us up with his goals, my problem with Bent is when he plays the team suffers.
He rarely creates a goal or scores out of nothing, instead puts so much pressure on the midfield to try and create tap-ins.

We are never all going to agree, people just think that because Bent has scored goals he is great end of, when infact him scoring HIS goals isn't always what's best for the team and Lambert seems to be thinking along the same lines.

For example Gabby is never going to score as many goals as Bent, but that doesnt nesseserily mean he is going to win us less points. It's about what's best for the team not Darren Bents statistics.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2012, 10:04:20 AM: Quote from: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 24, 2012, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 24, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 24, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 24, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 24, 2012, 02:50:47 AM
The goal we scored at Sunderland was exactly how I imagined the Benteke-Bent partnership to go. Shame it hasn't worked out that way. Creativity and delivery have been real weak points for us, and we have severely underutilised set pieces this season, and really for good while since the days of Laursen, Mellberg and Carew.

Problem is, because Bent does absolutely nothing, he cannot be accommodated. Gabby and Weimann can play a little wider, help out midfield then get forward and be a threat.

Bent is a limited player, that will never play for a big club. Him scoring his goals has always been at the detriment to his teams.

I think Sunderland, Spur and Villa are all pretty big clubs in fairness!

Charlton, Ipswich and Sunderland fans would say him scoring goals was to the benefit of their sides too, and I think with all the stick he takes at the moment for apparent laziness, it should be remembered that his goals did actually keep us up under Houllier, while his double at Arsenal was exceptional. Service is the issue now, and playing a side to his strengths. I would love us to have a top quality pair in central midfield, allowing us to play with Bent and Benteke up top, as together they would be formidable in my opinion. Also, his ground covered stats suggest he is not quite as lazy as people like to make out, maybe not effective in his tracking back etc, but certainly not lazy. I like Bent a lot as a player, and would dearly love to see him scoring goals for us again.

spot on Ozz , DB is not lazy at all . its just some people on here expect him to play like Wayne Rooney . I bet If he played for Arsenal , he would score 25 goals easy.

Totslly agree. I never heard man united fans moaning that van nistelrooy was lazy.

Use the player for what he is. Which is a goal scorer. So he doesn't play wide or doesn't drop that deep. So what! He's a great, natural goal scorer. Use it

Bent is no Van Nistelrooy.

Yes Bent kept us up with his goals, my problem with Bent is when he plays the team suffers.
He rarely creates a goal or scores out of nothing, instead puts so much pressure on the midfield to try and create tap-ins.

We are never all going to agree, people just think that because Bent has scored goals he is great end of, when infact him scoring HIS goals isn't always what's best for the team and Lambert seems to be thinking along the same lines.

For example Gabby is never going to score as many goals as Bent, but that doesnt nesseserily mean he is going to win us less points. It's about what's best for the team not Darren Bents statistics.
I think Ozz made the most telling point: unless we get better service none of our strikers is going to score many. Yesterday, with our fullbacks not pushing on (well, until Eric came on) we were very narrow. Weimann and Gabby had obviously been briefed to sit a little deeper and we were less effective upfront.
I'm not an advocate for two wingers, but we need our FB to be more attacking (look at Baines for Everton yesterday, for example); then, we'll see more goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 10:36:21 AM: Good point. But with Benteke in the team we will naturally create more chances, but Bent can only play in Benteke's position, so Lambert has decided to stick with Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on November 25, 2012, 10:42:48 AM: Quote from: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 10:36:21 AM
Good point. But with Benteke in the team we will naturally create more chances, but Bent can only play in Benteke's position, so Lambert has decided to stick with Benteke.

That seems to me to be the point. And even Van Nistelrooy got shipped out by Fergie years ago, who said that when he's not scoring he's not doing much else. People scoffed at the time, but it's true. If you have Hernandez or Solskjaer, content to play that role coming off the bench, then that's ok, but if, like Van Nistelrooy and apparently Bent, they want to be the number one all the time, that's more of a problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 25, 2012, 10:46:24 AM: I predict a phyiscally huge central midfielder from the Bundaslega to come in to really strengthen the midfield. Also a Villa favourite, a Scandinavian centre half of Norse legend proportions in size.

Wouldn't be surprised if Keane comes in and a tricky young Frenchman with pace.

I think the squad will be getting bigger in every sense. Size does matter.

We will fly up this league post January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 25, 2012, 10:51:31 AM: It's going to be interesting to see what happens with Bent over the next few weeks but we're not in a position at the moment to be thinking of selling the best finisher at the club. Benteke as good as he looks is still only 21 and will go through spells where he won't score. Same goes for Weimann too and as hard as Gabby works, he dose'nt seem to be the threat he was years ago.

I'd personally keep Bent until the end of the season at least and maybe look at it then. That said, IF there is a rift between him and Lambert and he's on his way then i hope he has a replacement lined up because we'll need one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 25, 2012, 11:14:55 AM: Quote from: Montbert on November 25, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 10:36:21 AM
Good point. But with Benteke in the team we will naturally create more chances, but Bent can only play in Benteke's position, so Lambert has decided to stick with Benteke.

That seems to me to be the point. And even Van Nistelrooy got shipped out by Fergie years ago, who said that when he's not scoring he's not doing much else. People scoffed at the time, but it's true. If you have Hernandez or Solskjær, content to play that role coming off the bench, then that's ok, but if, like Van Nistelrooy and apparently Bent, they want to be the number one all the time, that's more of a problem.

I totally get your point there. You don't want one player scoring 20 goals at the expense of the rest of the team not scoring.

But I personally don't agree with the notion that Bent is lazy. He gets into good goal scoring positions. I've seen him come deep to pick the ball up. But if he is to go out wide to get the ball then we're not using his skills properly.

we used to slag Heskey off for being a striker who never used to score goals. But would at least try to play for the team.

Bent is a goal scorer. Of course he isn't van nistelrooy. If he were he wouldn't be playing for Villa. Even with is lack of minutes on the pitch so far this season he has still managed to bag a few goals. I've come to accept he will be gone in January. The manager and the way he wants his team to play isn't right for Bent.

He'll go on to somewhere like Fulham and score a bag full of goals and we'll all sit here asking why he couldn't do it for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 25, 2012, 11:28:09 AM: Newcastle aim to beat Aston Villa in the race to sign striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, writes the Sunday People.

Sunday People Sport revealed earlier this month that Villa chief Paul Lambert was tracking the highly-rated St Etienne forward as a possible replacement for the out-of-favour Darren Bent.

But Toon boss Alan Pardew is desperately keen to strengthen his depleted squad in the January transfer window, and he has the 23-year-old front man in his sights too.

Pardew realises he could lose Senegal striker Demba Ba in January, so has been using the club’s strong French scouting network to come up with new options.

And Gabon international Aubameyang is the player now being identified as the latest African import who can make an impact at St James’ Park.

Versatile attacker Aubameyang can operate as a winger as well as striker and St Etienne will want in the region of £10million for a player who has become their prize asset.

The fee will come as a shock to AC Milan as the Italian outfit sold him to St Etienne exactly 12 months ago for a mere £1.5m after previously farming him out on loan to Dijon, Lille and Monaco.

Villa won’t give up on him either, as they still expect Bent to leave when the transfer window opens for business. Fulham boss Martin Jol, who signed Bent for £16.5m from Charlton in 2007 during his time at Tottenham, is also lining up a move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on November 25, 2012, 11:28:34 AM: I don't necessarily think he's lazy, he's just selfish. You're absolutely right when you say his goals come at the expense of the team not scoring - that is a fact borne out by the statistics throughout his career. His type of player is now wholly an impact sub, really: they come off the bench when there's space late in the game, and that can change the game. Look at Hernandez: started last week against Norwich, they had no way of changing it up later in the game, but when he comes on it's a completely new threat, fresh at the right time. If Bent thinks the whole team should be geared around him starting the game, he's mistaken.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on November 25, 2012, 11:29:35 AM: I think PL will try and buy 1 if not 2 inside fowards to play off Benteke.He has been linked with 2 recently, to replace Gabby and Weimann.Not quite sure they are up to it in the 1st team.

I reckon he will be looking to pay £10m each, and if that means selling Bent then so be it.

Interesting interview with Sid on TS this morning, when he intimated that Bent was not putting in 100% commitment to the cause, and that is why he is not playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on November 25, 2012, 12:02:58 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on November 25, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
I think PL will try and buy 1 if not 2 inside fowards to play off Benteke.He has been linked with 2 recently, to replace Gabby and Weimann.Not quite sure they are up to it in the 1st team.

I reckon he will be looking to pay £10m each, and if that means selling Bent then so be it.

Interesting interview with Sid on TS this morning, when he intimated that Bent was not putting in 100% commitment to the cause, and that is why he is not playing.

A mate of mine yesterday said he'd heard Lambert saying more or less exactly the same thing recently, and that when Bent decides to train as hard and committed as the rest of the squad he'll get back in. When Lambert came in he said words to the effect that attitude and team work were as important as ability, and I think we're seeing that in his purchases and team selections.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 25, 2012, 12:15:24 PM: Quote from: CJ on November 25, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on November 25, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
I think PL will try and buy 1 if not 2 inside fowards to play off Benteke.He has been linked with 2 recently, to replace Gabby and Weimann.Not quite sure they are up to it in the 1st team.

I reckon he will be looking to pay £10m each, and if that means selling Bent then so be it.

Interesting interview with Sid on TS this morning, when he intimated that Bent was not putting in 100% commitment to the cause, and that is why he is not playing.

A mate of mine yesterday said he'd heard Lambert saying more or less exactly the same thing recently, and that when Bent decides to train as hard and committed as the rest of the squad he'll get back in. When Lambert came in he said words to the effect that attitude and team work were as important as ability, and I think we're seeing that in his purchases and team selections.

I'm sure I read on this site that this is the case and that a deal with Fulham is pretty much done and dusted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2012, 01:35:11 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on November 25, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
I think PL will try and buy 1 if not 2 inside fowards to play off Benteke.He has been linked with 2 recently, to replace Gabby and Weimann.Not quite sure they are up to it in the 1st team.

I reckon he will be looking to pay £10m each, and if that means selling Bent then so be it.

Interesting interview with Sid on TS this morning, when he intimated that Bent was not putting in 100% commitment to the cause, and that is why he is not playing.

I agree, and think Gabby will be kept as he can play the Benteke roll, albeit without the goal threat, but still providing the ability to hold up the ball etc.

I think Bent has polarised opinion too much, he is a fabulous goalscorer, and had he come in place of Heskey when we had Carew and Gabby in form I firmly believe we would have finished 4th. Now though, we are a different team, very different style, and different attitude. Bent is now a luxury the team can't afford, unless he adapts to play in the same vein, which I see no reason to why he can't.

Gabby and Weimann playing wide long term is not going to be good enough, and I think the links to the French guy, and the Brazilian, the likes of Hoolihan etc, show the way we will look at those positions. I think Gabby and Weimann will still see a fair bit of action though, as they work so hard, and the front group will eventually rotate a fair bit depending on the game. Gabby will be the Benteke back for a while too I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 25, 2012, 01:43:52 PM: Yeah, I see what you're saying Ozzjim. Weimann is looking good too. I would be more upset at losing him than bent. I think he could be a star for us where as bent is more one dimensional.

I just feel we're missing a trick with having a goal scorer like bent in the team. But if we're not going to be playing that way then there is no point in having bent in the side.

The players we seem to be linked with are promising enough to sacrifice a player like bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 25, 2012, 02:02:12 PM: What we're missing is that midfield player that can pick up the ball and run at defenders. Someone with genuine pace and maybe a trick or two. Or someone's who's movement is quick and can pace and race into a more attacking position. Doesn't need to be a winger either. Look at the run and pass from Anderson for Hernandez's goal yesterday. We don't have that. We are patient, but slow in midfield which allows the opposition to set up and deny us good chances. We need some pace otherwise we become predictable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 25, 2012, 02:07:17 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 25, 2012, 01:43:52 PM
Yeah, I see what you're saying Ozzjim. Weimann is looking good too. I would be more upset at losing him than bent. I think he could be a star for us where as bent is more one dimensional.

I just feel we're missing a trick with having a goal scorer like bent in the team. But if we're not going to be playing that way then there is no point in having bent in the side.

The players we seem to be linked with are promising enough to sacrifice a player like bent.

The problem with Bent is games like Southampton his lack of link up play and ability to hold the ball puts pressure on the team and we end up losing, but Bent got a goal at the expense of the team losing.

Then he gets dropped against Fulham, comes of the bench and puts a real shift in, scores and earns us a point.

So maybe it is about him not putting enough effort in. Either way I think if we sell him and strengthen the team We will be better off now that Lambert is pulling the strings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2012, 02:46:30 PM: Holman gave us that a little yesterday re running from midfield. Replacing Ireland with better is the key for us IMO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 04:52:58 PM: Would still like to get an othordox wide man in, how long does Pilkington have left on his contract at Norwich?

Would be my top choice, underrated player and someone Lambert knows well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 25, 2012, 04:57:29 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 04:52:58 PM
Would still like to get an othordox wide man in, how long does Pilkington have left on his contract at Norwich?

Would be my top choice, underrated player and someone Lambert knows well.

IMO we need someone who is a bit more versatile than just a wideman, someone who can play on the wide/wing and can also play more central role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 25, 2012, 04:59:41 PM: What we need is better players than Albrighton coming off the bench. It scared the hell out of me when he came on yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2012, 05:30:15 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 04:52:58 PM
Would still like to get an othordox wide man in, how long does Pilkington have left on his contract at Norwich?

Would be my top choice, underrated player and someone Lambert knows well.

You are obsessed.

I would like a winger come striker, a bit like Gabby, but tricky and clever, and with movement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 06:22:18 PM: Someone like N'zogbia?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2012, 06:26:28 PM: In form, and playing for the team, he is ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on November 25, 2012, 06:37:12 PM: This may have been said before but , in the current circumstances , I would enquire about Downing in January . Would give service to Bent and Benteke and probably wouldn't cost anything - if Liverpool do still owe instalments on the initial deal .

Might not be popular though .........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dan England on November 25, 2012, 07:25:27 PM: Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on November 25, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
This may have been said before but , in the current circumstances , I would enquire about Downing in January . Would give service to Bent and Benteke and probably wouldn't cost anything - if Liverpool do still owe instalments on the initial deal .

Might not be popular though .........

FFD Please go and find a mirror and then give yourself a severe talking to for even thinking about having that ungrateful, money grabbing, wife beating pussy anywhere near our club again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 07:39:57 PM: Couldn't seeDowning in a hurry to come back tbh....

He would be good thugh, our best player in 10/11 by a distance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on November 25, 2012, 07:41:42 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2012, 07:39:57 PM
Couldn't seeDowning in a hurry to come back tbh....

He would be good thugh, our best player in 10/11 by a distance.
A distance,that's right I hope he keeps his distance from Villa Park.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 25, 2012, 08:13:11 PM: Not a chance that Lambert would even consider Downing. He would want big wages and i am sure the new scouting team will have several players lined up for January ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2012, 08:46:43 PM: Weimann is a smart footballer who should improve rapidly and I think we should persevere with him. Gabby takes a lot of pressure from Benteke; Gabby's a distraction for defenders.

My view is that we need the 'killer midfielder': the guy that will make a difference to our attacking options. And, two fullbacks that can attack with gusto, as well as defend the flanks. We may have some of these personnel but it's not obvious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on November 25, 2012, 09:30:22 PM: Not sure about Weimann. I think his ball control lets him down especially when he is out wide and running at defenders. Ok when he makes a run into the box and gets on the end of a cross but how many of those do we see?

I think our full backs are capable of being more attack minded but at the moment do not have the confidence or self belief to get forward too often in case the are caught out. Perhaps with time this will come, with the midfielders covering their runs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on November 25, 2012, 10:10:37 PM: Sadly Adam Lallana's value has increased a notch today, unless we offer Bent in exchange. Lallana would be super for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 25, 2012, 11:56:55 PM: Quote from: Mister E on November 25, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
Weimann is a smart footballer who should improve rapidly and I think we should persevere with him. Gabby takes a lot of pressure from Benteke; Gabby's a distraction for defenders.

My view is that we need the 'killer midfielder': the guy that will make a difference to our attacking options. And, two fullbacks that can attack with gusto, as well as defend the flanks. We may have some of these personnel but it's not obvious.

If we continue with the current formation, then we probably need better wide options as opposed to more attack minded full backs. N'Zogbia finally finding some form would be a big help, but I'm not really holding out too much hope for that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 12:25:12 AM: Bennett and Lowton are fine getting forward, I have no great worries about them.

A midfielder with a bit of quality who can make an impact would be great.

I think what we need mostly is someone to come off the bench and change the game for us. For too long a sub has weakened us more often than not, I love someone to come on and do what hendandez did to us a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 12:27:51 AM: Quote from: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
I love someone to come on and do what hendandez did to us a couple of weeks ago.
Someone like Bent?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 07:15:14 AM: Rumous Arry wants Bent and Dawson in January. I would sooner keep him on the bench than let one of the clubs we will be fighting against have him in January, unless they paid what we did.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on November 26, 2012, 07:38:03 AM: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villas-record-signing-darren-1456471?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

ASTON VILLA TRANSFER NEWS
Like it or lump it: Lambert outlines £22m Darren Bent's future in Villa reserves

25 Nov 2012 22:33
The Dazzler didn't even make the bench for snore-draw with Arsenal – as boss paves way for January exit for rejected England star

Surplus to requirements: Darren Bent of Aston Villa
Neville Williams
Paul Lambert signalled the end of Darren Bent’s Villa career after telling the England striker he is now just a squad player.

Bent was furious after being left out again and this time did not even make the bench as Villa failed to score against Arsenal. Former Chesterfield rookie Jordan Bowery, a bargain £1m signing, was preferred on the bench as back-up to first choice striker Christian Benteke.

Bent is now desperate to get away in January and Lambert has now made their fractured relationship even worse by insisting the £22m record signing can like it or lump it.

When quizzed on choosing Bowery over Bent, Villa boss Lambert said: “That’s my decision. I’m the man that picks the team. Listen, it’s my choice and I’ve 26, 27 lads that I have to look after.

Hard line: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has put Darren Bent in his place
Alex Livesey

“Everybody’s in it together and I need everybody in it together. I know the disappointment when you don’t play, I know I was dropped about five million times, but that’s the nature of the game.

“If you could pick everybody you would. Darren’s still part of it but I've got 25, 26 guys to take care and think of.

“Darren’s fine. There’s nothing at all. The most important thing is Aston Villa Football Club.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 07:41:46 AM: Quote from: villajk on November 26, 2012, 07:38:03 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villas-record-signing-darren-1456471?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

ASTON VILLA TRANSFER NEWS
Like it or lump it: Lambert outlines £22m Darren Bent's future in Villa reserves

25 Nov 2012 22:33
The Dazzler didn't even make the bench for snore-draw with Arsenal – as boss paves way for January exit for rejected England star

Surplus to requirements: Darren Bent of Aston Villa
Neville Williams
Paul Lambert signalled the end of Darren Bent’s Villa career after telling the England striker he is now just a squad player.

Bent was furious after being left out again and this time did not even make the bench as Villa failed to score against Arsenal. Former Chesterfield rookie Jordan Bowery, a bargain £1m signing, was preferred on the bench as back-up to first choice striker Christian Benteke.

Bent is now desperate to get away in January and Lambert has now made their fractured relationship even worse by insisting the £22m record signing can like it or lump it.

When quizzed on choosing Bowery over Bent, Villa boss Lambert said: “That’s my decision. I’m the man that picks the team. Listen, it’s my choice and I’ve 26, 27 lads that I have to look after.

Hard line: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has put Darren Bent in his place
Alex Livesey

“Everybody’s in it together and I need everybody in it together. I know the disappointment when you don’t play, I know I was dropped about five million times, but that’s the nature of the game.

“If you could pick everybody you would. Darren’s still part of it but I've got 25, 26 guys to take care and think of.

“Darren’s fine. There’s nothing at all. The most important thing is Aston Villa Football Club.”

Source: Mirror, 'nuff said.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2012, 08:54:02 AM: I already think of him as gone.

I think he's a brilliant goalscorer and I'm gutted it's not working, I said pre-season I thought he'd score bucketloads under Lambert but he's not played well, and neither have we as a team when he's played.

He clearly hasn't reacted in the way the manager would have liked to this fact, and as the quote from Lambert says " The most important thing is Aston Villa Football Club".

The money from Bent would let Lambert go for a couple of players in maybe the £5-6m, and given what we've seen of Benteke that could get us some real quality in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 26, 2012, 09:32:49 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
I love someone to come on and do what hendandez did to us a couple of weeks ago.
Someone like Bent?
Sorry, but as much as like DB I doubt he could have done that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 26, 2012, 09:38:02 AM: The Bent situation is one that will be debated for years. Had he arrived January 2009 we'd have been title contenders, as it happened he arrived when we were struggling and he has played under three villa managers in less than two years and just never really seemed to click with the club since Houllier left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 09:46:39 AM: Quote from: nigel on November 26, 2012, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
I love someone to come on and do what hendandez did to us a couple of weeks ago.
Someone like Bent?
Sorry, but as much as like DB I doubt he could have done that
I think he could have won the game for us on Saturday had he been bought on as an impact sub.Towards the end of the match Arsenal were flagging and we were getting stronger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 26, 2012, 10:21:12 AM: as far as an impact sub he would be my third choice behind Benteke and Gabby..

sorry just don't see him performing that sort of role at all, you either play him from the start and hook him if it's not working
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 10:31:34 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on November 26, 2012, 10:21:12 AM
as far as an impact sub he would be my third choice behind Benteke and Gabby..

sorry just don't see him performing that sort of role at all, you either play him from the start and hook him if it's not working
Well he did against the Baggies
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 11:20:04 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: nigel on November 26, 2012, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on November 26, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
I love someone to come on and do what hendandez did to us a couple of weeks ago.
Someone like Bent?
Sorry, but as much as like DB I doubt he could have done that
I think he could have won the game for us on Saturday had he been bought on as an impact sub.Towards the end of the match Arsenal were flagging and we were getting stronger.

I think the key thing is you need that player to be happy with their role in the side. I don't think Bent would ever be happy playing the supersub role, despite the fact that his abilities would lend themselves well to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2012, 12:06:31 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 07:41:46 AM
Quote from: villajk on November 26, 2012, 07:38:03 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villas-record-signing-darren-1456471?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

ASTON VILLA TRANSFER NEWS
Like it or lump it: Lambert outlines £22m Darren Bent's future in Villa reserves

25 Nov 2012 22:33
The Dazzler didn't even make the bench for snore-draw with Arsenal – as boss paves way for January exit for rejected England star

Surplus to requirements: Darren Bent of Aston Villa
Neville Williams
Paul Lambert signalled the end of Darren Bent’s Villa career after telling the England striker he is now just a squad player.

Bent was furious after being left out again and this time did not even make the bench as Villa failed to score against Arsenal. Former Chesterfield rookie Jordan Bowery, a bargain £1m signing, was preferred on the bench as back-up to first choice striker Christian Benteke.

Bent is now desperate to get away in January and Lambert has now made their fractured relationship even worse by insisting the £22m record signing can like it or lump it.

When quizzed on choosing Bowery over Bent, Villa boss Lambert said: “That’s my decision. I’m the man that picks the team. Listen, it’s my choice and I’ve 26, 27 lads that I have to look after.

Hard line: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has put Darren Bent in his place
Alex Livesey

“Everybody’s in it together and I need everybody in it together. I know the disappointment when you don’t play, I know I was dropped about five million times, but that’s the nature of the game.

“If you could pick everybody you would. Darren’s still part of it but I've got 25, 26 guys to take care and think of.

“Darren’s fine. There’s nothing at all. The most important thing is Aston Villa Football Club.”

Source: Mirror, 'nuff said.

Doesn't matter what the source is if these are direct quotes attributed to lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 26, 2012, 12:40:23 PM: I'm firmly with Lambert on this. Bent hasn't played nearly well enough. He's been out injured and needs to win his place back. Weimann, Gabby, Benteke are all playing reasonably well. I think we've been unlucky too. A bit of luck and any of them (less likely Gab) could go on a scoring run.
But for me Gabby and Weimann's workrate has been brilliant. Think their places are warranted. We're in a position too where we really need 11 players busting a gut and in the game. We can't carry Bent right now because he could do nothing for 80 minutes. Granted he might nick a goal, but even in that regard he's looked a long way from his sharpest. Similarly it's why Ireland is in and out the side, he plays in patches during games. 10 good minutes here and there on a good day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2012, 12:42:06 PM: God help us If Benteke gets injured because a front line of gabby and Weimann is not good enough .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 12:45:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 26, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 07:41:46 AM
Quote from: villajk on November 26, 2012, 07:38:03 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villas-record-signing-darren-1456471?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

ASTON VILLA TRANSFER NEWS
Like it or lump it: Lambert outlines £22m Darren Bent's future in Villa reserves

25 Nov 2012 22:33
The Dazzler didn't even make the bench for snore-draw with Arsenal – as boss paves way for January exit for rejected England star

Surplus to requirements: Darren Bent of Aston Villa
Neville Williams
Paul Lambert signalled the end of Darren Bent’s Villa career after telling the England striker he is now just a squad player.

Bent was furious after being left out again and this time did not even make the bench as Villa failed to score against Arsenal. Former Chesterfield rookie Jordan Bowery, a bargain £1m signing, was preferred on the bench as back-up to first choice striker Christian Benteke.

Bent is now desperate to get away in January and Lambert has now made their fractured relationship even worse by insisting the £22m record signing can like it or lump it.

When quizzed on choosing Bowery over Bent, Villa boss Lambert said: “That’s my decision. I’m the man that picks the team. Listen, it’s my choice and I’ve 26, 27 lads that I have to look after.

Hard line: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has put Darren Bent in his place
Alex Livesey

“Everybody’s in it together and I need everybody in it together. I know the disappointment when you don’t play, I know I was dropped about five million times, but that’s the nature of the game.

“If you could pick everybody you would. Darren’s still part of it but I've got 25, 26 guys to take care and think of.

“Darren’s fine. There’s nothing at all. The most important thing is Aston Villa Football Club.”

Source: Mirror, 'nuff said.

Doesn't matter what the source is if these are direct quotes attributed to lambert.

Rest are just unfounded utter shit claims what those piss-yellow-tabloid-rags spout.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2012, 12:45:54 PM: how is Bowery a bargain buy anyway ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on November 26, 2012, 12:54:47 PM: Apparently anyone costing ONLY £1,000,000 , yes ONE MILLION POUNDS, is a bargain these days even if the player is no where near playing a first team game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 01:08:13 PM: Wasn't Bowery something like 500k max?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM: I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2012, 01:41:20 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

If the money is right I doubt randy would object to who he goes to- its up to us to avoid relegation not worry about what other clubs are doing.

I have no doubt both villa and qpr will be safe.

If I was a betting ,an I'd say bent is Fulham bound.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on November 26, 2012, 01:48:09 PM: I don't think Bent will be sold in January and I think we'll sign another forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 26, 2012, 01:50:41 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
God help us If Benteke gets injured because a front line of gabby and Weimann is not good enough .

I think Weimann as an out and out forward is a great option. He scores with both feet and his head. I think he could be lethal through the middle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on November 26, 2012, 01:59:12 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

You seem to forget that the two clowns Lerner and Faulkner are in charge, so bet on Bent going to QPR in January!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 26, 2012, 02:00:56 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on November 26, 2012, 01:59:12 PM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

You seem to forget that the two clowns Lerner and Faulkner are in charge, so bet on Bent going to QPR in January!!

Sure I'll take some of that action, how much do you want to bet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on November 26, 2012, 02:07:31 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

The Darren Bent/QPR talk started while Mark Hughes was still in charge. I don't know if there was any truth in it, but I'd say even if there was it's dead now that 'arry has turned up there!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2012, 02:19:02 PM: Bent needs to understand that none of the bigger teams want him, and money is slim pretty much elsewhere. if he isn't pulling his weight then he needs to sharpen up his act fast. I would love to see him our there but he has to be focused and while someone like Gabby or Weimann aren't even close to the finisher that Bent is, watching them giving it all for pretty much 90 minutes makes you realise where we are and what we have to do to get out of the shit we're in. We really need him quality right now, but also need his attitude to be spot on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 26, 2012, 02:24:15 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on November 26, 2012, 02:19:02 PM
Bent needs to understand that none of the bigger teams want him, and money is slim pretty much elsewhere. if he isn't pulling his weight then he needs to sharpen up his act fast. I would love to see him our there but he has to be focused and while someone like Gabby or Weimann aren't even close to the finisher that Bent is, watching them giving it all for pretty much 90 minutes makes you realise where we are and what we have to do to get out of the shit we're in. We really need him quality right now, but also need his attitude to be spot on.

Players need healthy ambition and drive to play, I hope Bent has that but going to the press to complain that he wasn't chosen for the game might implicate other way. Who knows, maybe Lambert is kinda testing him on how Bent reacts when he isn't chosen to play as he seems to want healthy competition for spots between players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 26, 2012, 02:53:40 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on November 26, 2012, 01:59:12 PM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

You seem to forget that the two clowns Lerner and Faulkner are in charge, so bet on Bent going to QPR in January!!

Yah I would. £10million for bent or the money lost from not being in the premiere league next season. No brainer.

Bent as been commented before is Fulham bound if he leaves in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM: How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on November 26, 2012, 03:04:35 PM: Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 02:53:40 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on November 26, 2012, 01:59:12 PM
Quote from: Lambonite on November 26, 2012, 01:20:37 PM
I just don't see the link with QPR. Harry didNt seem to get Bent working at Spurs and I don't see in a million years villa selling a proven goal scorer to a club who could go down instead of us at the end of the season.

You seem to forget that the two clowns Lerner and Faulkner are in charge, so bet on Bent going to QPR in January!!

Yah I would. £10million for bent or the money lost from not being in the premiere league next season. No brainer.

Bent as been commented before is Fulham bound if he leaves in January.

Could they afford the wages of both Bent and Berbatov at once? Also not sure how it would work footballing wise as you have too strikers who won't be willing to do the running for the other one!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 26, 2012, 03:23:37 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation

Don't mean to be argumentative, but have you seen Bent when he has featured this season? He has scored a couple of goals, but just isn't suited to the current formation we are playing. We need someone who will put themselves about, hold the ball up and win flick ons. Bent doesn't do any of that, so I think Lambert's justified in his decision not to play him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:36:58 PM: If we were getting results and scoring goals I would agree with you,but we're not. To not have a proven goal scorer on the bench when you are paying him astronomical wages, is not really doing the best for Aston Villa. Look at what happened when he came on against West Brom.I think he could have won the game against Arsenal for us too Lambert is saying there's no rift,so what's the problem?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 04:07:11 PM: Maybe he looks shit in training and can't be arsed putting it in, but is perfectly amenable, so indeed there is no rift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on November 26, 2012, 04:11:15 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 26, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation

Don't mean to be argumentative, but have you seen Bent when he has featured this season? He has scored a couple of goals, but just isn't suited to the current formation we are playing. We need someone who will put themselves about, hold the ball up and win flick ons. Bent doesn't do any of that, so I think Lambert's justified in his decision not to play him.

Maybe the formation could be changed to suit the players we have - at least until we consolidate our position in the PL? We aint going to win many unless we have someone putting the ball in the net consistently. Whilst I rate Benteke and Weimann, Bent is the only player we have who has shown he can do that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 04:15:15 PM: Quote from: ktvillan on November 26, 2012, 04:11:15 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 26, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation

Don't mean to be argumentative, but have you seen Bent when he has featured this season? He has scored a couple of goals, but just isn't suited to the current formation we are playing. We need someone who will put themselves about, hold the ball up and win flick ons. Bent doesn't do any of that, so I think Lambert's justified in his decision not to play him.

Maybe the formation could be changed to suit the players we have - at least until we consolidate our position in the PL? We aint going to win many unless we have someone putting the ball in the net consistently. Whilst I rate Benteke and Weimann, Bent is the only player we have who has shown he can do that.

What you are really saying is maybe the formation can be changed to suit Bent though, which is crackers at the moment as it would totally unbalance the side we have found in the last few games to look a bit better. We need 3 in the middle. Bent can't play wide, and Benteke offers way more in a loan striker role. So you swap what Benteke brings team wise out for Bent, and do they still function as well? Maybe.. worth a try as a sub coming into that role on 60 minutes for sure, but Benteke deserves the shirt at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on November 26, 2012, 04:20:45 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 04:07:11 PM
Maybe he looks shit in training and can't be arsed putting it in, but is perfectly amenable, so indeed there is no rift.
He's only been fit for a week though and tweeted(I know) That he was feeling fit, sharp and looking forward to the weekend.How shit would he have to be to not earn a place on the bench. Especially given his excellent record against Arsenal. I just can't see how dropping him and putting Bowery on the bench can be seen as doing the best for Aston Villa in our current position
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on November 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM: Probably bollocks, as always, but there are a few places on the internet saying he might be going out on loan to Liverpool, with an option to buy in the summer.

http://sportsnewsireland.com/soccer/soccer_irish/aston-villa-set-to-loan-darren-bent-to-liverpool-26112012/

Not ideal, if true, but if he's not getting games here we could do worse than send him off to score goals against relegation contenders with another team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 05:16:14 PM: Quote from: dekko on November 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
Probably bollocks, as always, but there are a few places on the internet saying he might be going out on loan to Liverpool, with an option to buy in the summer.

http://sportsnewsireland.com/soccer/soccer_irish/aston-villa-set-to-loan-darren-bent-to-liverpool-26112012/

Not ideal, if true, but if he's not getting games here we could do worse than send him off to score goals against relegation contenders with another team.

It would be a decent loan fee too you would imagine... I would sooner he went there than QPR. Fulham seems unlikely to me. Goes to Liverpool and he and Suarez click we could get 15 back for him too. Or Downing and 8 million....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 26, 2012, 05:20:24 PM: No way....Downing's destined for Sunderland....it's written in the stars....just the amount that MON's willing to overpay is needed to be settled ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2012, 05:22:08 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on November 26, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
No way....Downing's destined for Sunderland....it's written in the stars....just the amount that MON's willing to overpay is needed to be settled ;D

Wouldn't be surprised if mon is long gone by the time the January window opens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 26, 2012, 06:20:24 PM: I think we will spend 25 millions pounds this January on 3 players and see Bent leave for 16 millions. But who knows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM: Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on November 26, 2012, 07:51:35 PM: Quote from: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Yes we did agree a fee and I hope the money is still there. I don't see any reason why it should'nt be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2012, 07:53:12 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 26, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Yes we did agree a fee and I hope the money is still there. I don't see any reason why it should'nt be.

I'd hope and expect there is far more than £6m to spend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2012, 08:41:17 PM: Quote from: Clampy on November 26, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Yes we did agree a fee and I hope the money is still there. I don't see any reason why it should'nt be.

I took that as us forcing Genk's hand over Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 08:45:35 PM: Cowans said the other day he hopes we bring in a 2 or 3 or maybe more in January. If the message is no money to spend, people as close as Sid are to it would not be talking like there is funds. Lambert said a week ago we have players in mind. There will be 3-4 I reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on November 26, 2012, 09:03:06 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 26, 2012, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 26, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Yes we did agree a fee and I hope the money is still there. I don't see any reason why it should'nt be.

I took that as us forcing Genk's hand over Benteke.

And Dempsey trying to force Spurs/Liverpool's. Not sure that was ever really a serious bid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2012, 09:55:56 PM: Quote from: dekko on November 26, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 26, 2012, 08:41:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 26, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: fredm on November 26, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Didn't we agree a £6m deal with Fulham for Dempsey before he went to Spurs? Presume this money is still available in January?

I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Yes we did agree a fee and I hope the money is still there. I don't see any reason why it should'nt be.

I took that as us forcing Genk's hand over Benteke.

And Dempsey trying to force Spurs/Liverpool's. Not sure that was ever really a serious bid.

Agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on November 26, 2012, 10:03:45 PM: Rumour has it Bent deal agreed with Liverpool. Loan then buy at the end of the season....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 26, 2012, 10:05:32 PM: Quote from: frank black on November 26, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
Rumour has it Bent deal agreed with Liverpool. Loan then buy at the end of the season....
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where have you heard that ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 26, 2012, 10:05:36 PM: Quote from: frank black on November 26, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
Rumour has it Bent deal agreed with Liverpool. Loan then buy at the end of the season....

Again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on November 26, 2012, 10:08:12 PM: Metro and various new snow links...tbf it appears from the outside that Lambert doesn't like Bent
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 26, 2012, 11:05:40 PM: It wouldn't surprise me if Liverpool were trying to do that but I imagine we would push for a permanent deal. It would be good to get the sort of fee that Liverpool paid the last time they bought a striker in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 26, 2012, 11:09:21 PM: Have Liverpool now bought Darren Bent more times than we bought Steve Bull?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 11:28:13 PM: On the Dempsey thing, with the way we are playing, do you not feel that Dempsey was a very serious move by Lambert, a forward that could play in the midfield 3 at the tip or either wide role of Benteke and carry a genuine experienced goal threat. I think he would have fitted into our side perfectly the way we are lining up, and would be doing very well actually.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on November 26, 2012, 11:30:30 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
On the Dempsey thing, with the way we are playing, do you not feel that Dempsey was a very serious move by Lambert, a forward that could play in the midfield 3 at the tip or either wide role of Benteke and carry a genuine experienced goal threat. I think he would have fitted into our side perfectly the way we are lining up, and would be doing very well actually.

I think it was a serious bid, but not one anyone on our end expected to actually get. Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 11:32:43 PM: Maybe so, maybe unaware of Spurs interest and knowing Liverpool could not afford him we tried our luck, but you can certainly see the thinking now the formation has settled down. I would expect going after a couple of options like that with experience will be high on the list come january, even if not necessarily in the prem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 27, 2012, 04:41:04 AM: Fulham confirmed they accepted our offer for Dempsey. He hasn't hit the heights for Spurs yet but he was brilliant against West Ham on Sunday. That scooped ball for Bale's goal was top-class. Something Ireland could do if he was on top-form you'd like to think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on November 27, 2012, 06:29:45 AM: Can we please sign Thomas Rogic from Central Coast Mariners in the Australian League. He is going to be a big star. Attacking and creative midfielder and only 19 (6ft 2). He looks an outstanding prospect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on November 27, 2012, 08:05:50 AM: If we signed every player, who every fan wanted us to buy - we would have a squad of a 1,000
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2012, 08:07:17 AM: Yeah, close the thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 27, 2012, 08:14:22 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 26, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
Cowans said the other day he hopes we bring in a 2 or 3 or maybe more in January. If the message is no money to spend, people as close as Sid are to it would not be talking like there is funds. Lambert said a week ago we have players in mind. There will be 3-4 I reckon.
Will that mean another 12 games' running-in time to get the players and chosen formation up to speed?

Here's a view on PL from today's Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/26/aston-villa-paul-lambert-darren-bent)...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on November 27, 2012, 08:35:14 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 26, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
Have Liverpool now bought Darren Bent more times than we bought Steve Bull?

I think there's still some way to go before we reach that stage, Dave. Particularly considering the number of times Big Ron signed him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2012, 08:46:55 AM: Could a kind soul copy and paste the Guardian article please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 27, 2012, 08:57:12 AM: Paul Lambert calls tune at Villa and Bent cannot make chorus line
Aston Villa face Reading as the division's joint lowest scorers but still cannot find a place on the bench for £24m Darren Bent

Most clubs would breathe a sigh of relief after ticking off back-to-back fixtures against Manchester United, Manchester City and Arsenal, but for Aston Villa the pressure is just about to be cranked up. Third from bottom in the Premier League, Villa host a struggling Reading side on Tuesday, who are one place below them, before travelling to Loftus Road on Saturday to face bottom-of-the-table Queens Park Rangers in Harry Redknapp's first home game as manager.

Forget all the talk of long-term projects, promising youngsters and spirited performances in defeat, Villa badly need some points. They have collected only 10 from 13 matches and have a goal difference of minus 12, which represents their worst ever Premier League record at this stage of a season. Broaden the picture a little and it is hard to escape the feeling that 2012 will go down as an annus horribilis for Villa, who have picked up a paltry 25 points from 32 matches this year. West Bromwich Albion have picked up more points than that this season.

With solid support from the board and no shortage of goodwill from the fans to fall back on, the only pressure Paul Lambert is under at the moment is the pressure that the Villa manager puts on himself. From the outside, there is no sign that he is overly concerned. Although understandably unhappy with the team's league position, Lambert has no doubt his team will pull clear without offering any real justification for that confidence beyond saying that he has faith in the ability of the players.

Villa, to give them due credit, were excellent against United for two thirds of a game they lost 3‑2 while the least they deserved against Arsenal on Saturday, when once again there was a decent tempo to their play, was a draw. Before anyone gets carried away, though, it is worth remembering Norwich City recently defeated United and Arsenal at home.

There have been a few positive signs for Villa fans. Ciaran Clark is maturing into a decent centre-half, Ashley Westwood has made the leap from League One to the Premier League with the minimum of fuss and Christian Benteke looks a real handful up front. Yet Lambert's policy of signing, and selecting, younger players from lower leagues seems like a high-risk strategy, especially with a relegation battle on the horizon.

While few Villa supporters will complain at Alan Hutton and Stephen Warnock being sent out on loan, Lambert's treatment of Darren Bent seems particularly odd. Villa lack a goal threat – they are the joint-lowest scorers in the division – and yet Bent, the £24m club-record signing who has 102 Premier League goals to his name – at a rate of one every 181 minutes – and is nicknamed "The Mailman" by Randy Lerner, the club's owner, because he always delivers, cannot get a game. On Saturday Jordan Bowery, a 21-year-old signed from Chesterfield in August and whose Premier League career consists of seven minutes at the Etihad Stadium, was named on the bench ahead of Bent.

Afterwards Lambert was asked five times about Bent's omission and in four of his five answers mentioned either "the most important thing is Aston Villa football club" or "the football club is my main priority", which seemed like an odd choice of words.

It is, of course, the manager's prerogative to pick whoever he wishes – something that Lambert pointed out – but even if he decides that he wants to start without Bent, would it not be in Villa's best interests if the striker bought to keep them up two years ago was at least available to come on from the bench? And if Lambert has decided to get rid of Bent, which is the natural conclusion many have drawn (even if the manager has never said that is his intention), what is the current situation doing to Villa's negotiating position when the transfer window reopens? It is, after all, difficult to see how Villa can play hardball over Bent's valuation when he is not among the 18 names on the manager's team-sheet.

It is all rather peculiar, not least because it is easy to imagine Bent's predatory instincts and Benteke's physical presence complementing one another and giving Villa a real cutting edge in attack. Lambert, however, sees things differently. Since their one and only start together, against Southampton in September, Bent and Benteke have been on the pitch at the same time for a total of 24 minutes in the Premier League.

It remains to be seen what team Lambert picks against Reading – the players generally find out a little more than an hour before kick off – but whichever path he decides to go down, whether Bent is on the pitch, sat behind him in the dugout or suited and booted up in the stand, the end result needs to be a Villa win.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 27, 2012, 09:01:25 AM: I personally think we should be doing our best to get Bent in the side scoring, but that seems unlikely now. If he's leaving don't let him go to an immeadiate rival and we need to reinvest the money in quality experienced players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 27, 2012, 09:01:32 AM: Wouldn't mind trying to get Scott Sinclair on loan from city, he is an attacking wide player with an eye for goal and far off the starting line up at city- might be worth a try .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NiiLamptey on November 27, 2012, 09:56:08 AM: Once Carruthers has done his stints out on loan... He showed flashed last season he can come back and give us that creative flair i thought.

He is currently an Left sided Midfielder, do you think there is room for him to become S.Irelands Prodigy and move to a central role? (obviously not by this Jan lol but didnt want to start a thread)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2012, 10:04:26 AM: He nearly always plays centre-mid for the reserves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 27, 2012, 11:16:49 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 26, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation

Don't mean to be argumentative, but have you seen Bent when he has featured this season? He has scored a couple of goals, but just isn't suited to the current formation we are playing. We need someone who will put themselves about, hold the ball up and win flick ons. Bent doesn't do any of that, so I think Lambert's justified in his decision not to play him.

I thought Benteke holds the ball up and wins flicks on . He just needs a goal scorer to play with him and Gabby is not a gola scorer , DB should be given a go with Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 27, 2012, 11:38:55 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 27, 2012, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 26, 2012, 03:23:37 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on November 26, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
How is selling our only proven goal scorer to save us from relegation a no brainer? Especially when nobody else is scoring. Madness. It's actually quite embarrassing that he isn't being played in any capacity,given our current situation

Don't mean to be argumentative, but have you seen Bent when he has featured this season? He has scored a couple of goals, but just isn't suited to the current formation we are playing. We need someone who will put themselves about, hold the ball up and win flick ons. Bent doesn't do any of that, so I think Lambert's justified in his decision not to play him.

I thought Benteke holds the ball up and wins flicks on . He just needs a goal scorer to play with him and Gabby is not a gola scorer , DB should be given a go with Benteke.

As said before, Bent doesn't fit the system, if Bent could play out wide, help track back and press the ball. Then when we have the ball be his goal scoring self and run onto Benteke's work, we'd be laughing, but if he wasn't so limited he wouldn't be playing For Aston Villa.

In our system it's Benteke or Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 27, 2012, 12:04:26 PM: I don't think it's as cut and dried as that Shrek, there should be times when we change things a bit and I would like to see bent given a run alongside benteke , I think lambert has probably decided not to persevere with bent and I find that quite sad considering he is a natural finisher whereas gabby has scored once in 30 league games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2012, 12:37:00 PM: I think Wiemann is a better finisher than Bent. Bent's movement and poaching ability is first rate, but Andy's got better technique. I'd like to perservere with him a bit. He'll score a few more. Half a yard from scoring the other night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 27, 2012, 03:42:16 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 27, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
I think Wiemann is a better finisher than Bent. Bent's movement and poaching ability is first rate, but Andy's got better technique. I'd like to perservere with him a bit. He'll score a few more. Half a yard from scoring the other night.

I think Weimann needs to do it and score regularly over a long period before being labelled as a better finisher than bent - Weimann may have a bit more to his game in some ways but bent is still quality in front of goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on November 27, 2012, 04:17:43 PM: Weimann looks the most likely to score in our current side I think but he's some way off being a better finisher than Bent. He's got the potential though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2012, 04:18:49 PM: I think as Monty is fond of pointing out, Bent is nothing special as a finisher. Where he excels is in his movement so that he doesn't need to be a great finisher.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 27, 2012, 04:53:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 27, 2012, 12:04:26 PM
I don't think it's as cut and dried as that Shrek, there should be times when we change things a bit and I would like to see bent given a run alongside benteke , I think lambert has probably decided not to persevere with bent and I find that quite sad considering he is a natural finisher whereas gabby has scored once in 30 league games.

Benteke and Bent can't play together, they both don't track back tackle or apply pressure, there is no way you can have 2 out of the 11 doing that.

We have to decide which one is most likely to help the team win, not the one more likely to score a goal or 2, but the team lose due to his presence putting the team under too much pressure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2012, 06:11:44 PM: Quote from: Shrek on November 27, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 27, 2012, 12:04:26 PM
I don't think it's as cut and dried as that Shrek, there should be times when we change things a bit and I would like to see bent given a run alongside benteke , I think lambert has probably decided not to persevere with bent and I find that quite sad considering he is a natural finisher whereas gabby has scored once in 30 league games.

Benteke and Bent can't play together, they both don't track back tackle or apply pressure, there is no way you can have 2 out of the 11 doing that.
Bent and Jones scored 35 goals between them for Sunderland as a pair. Who was tackling and applying pressure there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 27, 2012, 06:14:08 PM: They had Marlbranque playing quite well didn't they supplying them, who else?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on November 27, 2012, 10:26:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 27, 2012, 06:14:08 PM
They had Marlbranque playing quite well didn't they supplying them, who else?

Steed Malbranque, Lorik Cana, Keiran Richardson, Carlos Edwards, Grand Leadbitter, Andy Reid, Jordan Henderson & Teemu Tainio (for a very short while!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 27, 2012, 10:33:51 PM: Quote from: Davey B on November 27, 2012, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 27, 2012, 06:14:08 PM
They had Marlbranque playing quite well didn't they supplying them, who else?

Steed Malbranque, Lorik Cana, Keiran Richardson, Carlos Edwards, Grand Leadbitter, Andy Reid, Jordan Henderson & Teemu Tainio (for a very short while!)

They were largely a counter attacking team though which does not suit the current philosophy.

With regards to the Guardian, a different journalist was on their podcast (sounded french) and he was saying how good villa looked against Arsenal, comparing our play to B Dortmund.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 27, 2012, 10:36:49 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 27, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
I think Wiemann is a better finisher than Bent.

Obviously you're joking, right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 28, 2012, 12:57:21 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 27, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: supertom on November 27, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
I think Wiemann is a better finisher than Bent.

Obviously you're joking, right?

I think Bent's more about positioning himself where he can't miss. Bit like Andy Cole, some games he'd need 4-5 chances to score.
We might not see it from Andy unless he's moved centrally but outside of 10 yards I think he's technically better. He's been unlucky this season too.
That's what I'm telling myself anyway. I'll back the horse that's still in our stables in a couple of months time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:03:46 PM: I reckon Michael Henke (who probably found Benteke for us) will have had a few months to draw up a list of gems to go and get in January. Could be a very interesting month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 28, 2012, 02:24:40 PM: I think I read somewhere that Lambert was originally eyeing Benteke as a potential Norwich signing. There were reports that he had arguments with the Norwich board as they wouldn't back him so if true, it might be that they weren't prepared to pay £7m for one player. Of course, its only conjecture.

I'm hopeful of the same Maz. Lambert's already shown that he and his scouts have a good eye for a player and with a head scout and presumably a proper network being laid down, I am more optimistic about the January window than normal. After a great initial January window (which in part was due to opportunism), O'Neill didn't have much joy - mainly because he only looked at the domestic market. Now that signings from foreign markets are now conceivable, it opens so many more avenues. I think we will line up a couple of flair players who can create/score.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:59:47 PM: Priorities for me are:

- Powerhouse central midfielder who can boss a game.
Don't want much, just somebody with no weaknesses at all and possibly the son of some sort of deity.

- Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke.
Don't want much, just somebody who has about 30 names abbreviated to one unfashionable old english name, classical composer or maybe a comic book hero. Like Bert, Amadeus or Thor. He should be able to to do things with a ball that make men want to be him and women want to be with him.

- Indomitable centre half to partner Roncrete or one of the young fellas.
Don't want much, just somebody able to leap like a Salmon, smash through 4 inches of depleted uranium armour with his little finger and able to kill a man if that man is stupid enough to say his name. He should also be able to control and pass a ball.
This will enable Richard Dunne to be fired from a cannon into a pie shop window.

Depending how well we do with these positions we could fly up the table.
We could also look at getting a cheap back up keeper and letting Given go, another versatile full back and perhaps another out and out striker to compete with or compliment Benteke. But those three positions I reckon are priorities.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 28, 2012, 03:07:51 PM: That is a wonderful wish-list Maz, those are exactly the qualities we should be looking for in players.

I'd have Young and Milner back if they're not busy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on November 28, 2012, 03:29:15 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Priorities for me are:

- Powerhouse central midfielder who can boss a game.
Don't want much, just somebody with no weaknesses at all and possibly the son of some sort of deity.

- Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke.
Don't want much, just somebody who has about 30 names abbreviated to one unfashionale old english name, classical composer or maybe a comic book hero. He should be able to to do things with a ball that make men want to be him and women want to be with him.

- Indomitable centre half to partner Roncrete or one of the young fellas.
Don't want much, just somebody able to leap like a Salmon, smash through 4 inches of depleted uranium armour with his little fingers and able to kill a man if that man is stupid enough to say his name. He should also be able to control and pass a ball.
This will enable Richard Dunne to be fired from a cannon into a pie shop window.

Depending how well we do with these positions we could fly up the table.
We could also look at getting a cheap back up keeper and letting Given go, another versatile full back and perhaps another out and out striker to compete with or compliment Benteke. But those three positions I reckon are priorities.

We also need someone to rotate with Ireland since we don't have anyone else to play behind the striker. He's been only player from our team who's been good with link-up play, creating space and given fluidity to our playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2012, 03:31:39 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Priorities for me are:

- Powerhouse central midfielder who can boss a game.
Don't want much, just somebody with no weaknesses at all and possibly the son of some sort of deity.

- Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke.
Don't want much, just somebody who has about 30 names abbreviated to one unfashionable old english name, classical composer or maybe a comic book hero. Like Bert, Amadeus or Thor. He should be able to to do things with a ball that make men want to be him and women want to be with him.

- Indomitable centre half to partner Roncrete or one of the young fellas.
Don't want much, just somebody able to leap like a Salmon, smash through 4 inches of depleted uranium armour with his little finger and able to kill a man if that man is stupid enough to say his name. He should also be able to control and pass a ball.
This will enable Richard Dunne to be fired from a cannon into a pie shop window.

Depending how well we do with these positions we could fly up the table.
We could also look at getting a cheap back up keeper and letting Given go, another versatile full back and perhaps another out and out striker to compete with or compliment Benteke. But those three positions I reckon are priorities.

From what I've seen so far, give Lambert something near £20m to spend on three players and he might get near it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 03:33:05 PM: Jarpie - "Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke"

But have another one too, sure. Dan Johnson (not the guy with the Aligator and white Ferrari) and Carruthers will also come into the reckoning for this position before long I reckon.

Lee, I reckon he will get a fair wedge to spend whether Bent leaves or not. But most likely Bent will go and there should be quite the "warchest" for swoops, raids and whatnot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 03:33:58 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 28, 2012, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Priorities for me are:

- Powerhouse central midfielder who can boss a game.
Don't want much, just somebody with no weaknesses at all and possibly the son of some sort of deity.

- Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke.
Don't want much, just somebody who has about 30 names abbreviated to one unfashionable old english name, classical composer or maybe a comic book hero. Like Bert, Amadeus or Thor. He should be able to to do things with a ball that make men want to be him and women want to be with him.

- Indomitable centre half to partner Roncrete or one of the young fellas.
Don't want much, just somebody able to leap like a Salmon, smash through 4 inches of depleted uranium armour with his little finger and able to kill a man if that man is stupid enough to say his name. He should also be able to control and pass a ball.
This will enable Richard Dunne to be fired from a cannon into a pie shop window.

Depending how well we do with these positions we could fly up the table.
We could also look at getting a cheap back up keeper and letting Given go, another versatile full back and perhaps another out and out striker to compete with or compliment Benteke. But those three positions I reckon are priorities.

From what I've seen so far, give Lambert something near £20m to spend on three players and he might get near it.

Would do me nicely.

What is Chris Samba up to these days?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 03:36:07 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 28, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
That is a wonderful wish-list Maz, those are exactly the qualities we should be looking for in players.

I'd have Young and Milner back if they're not busy.

Milner, Young and Barry into this side for Weimann, Holman and Bannan from the side last night would be fab. Think it would be very dangerous. We have to go and find the next Milner and Young though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 03:42:46 PM: If Bent goes to Liverpool, what chance Carroll coming here permanently?
Could he and Benteke play together? Probably. He does a lot of hold up work and isn't terrible in open play.

Lambert used to use two big guys at Norwich and he clearly likes Carroll.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2012, 03:46:57 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 03:42:46 PM
If Bent goes to Liverpool, what chance Carroll coming here permanently?
Could he and Benteke play together? Probably. He does a lot of hold up work and isn't terrible in open play.

Lambert used to use two big guys at Norwich and he clearly likes Carroll.
Just a thought.

I don't think Carroll and benteke would work personally, would prefer someone like Scott Sinclair who looked quality at Swansea and has been out of the picture at city .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 28, 2012, 03:57:06 PM: I want another viking in our team in Laursen/Mellberg mould
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on November 28, 2012, 03:57:57 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 03:42:46 PM
If Bent goes to Liverpool, what chance Carroll coming here permanently?
Could he and Benteke play together? Probably. He does a lot of hold up work and isn't terrible in open play.

Lambert used to use two big guys at Norwich and he clearly likes Carroll.
Just a thought.

I can't see it working. The midfield would get pushed deep to compensate for lack of numbers and we'd be reduced to hitting it long to relieve the pressure, only for them to have nobody to pick up any knock downs.

It's pretty clear the way Lambert wants us to (predominantly) play, expect any signings to be be abe to fit into that style.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 28, 2012, 04:01:49 PM: Could we be looking to build a system similar to Chelsea 4-3-3 with Benteke in Drogba role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2012, 04:21:46 PM: Wouldn't want Benteke with Carroll, as Chris says it just wouldn't work at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 04:27:48 PM: Or it could be devastating.
But you would need one hell of a midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2012, 04:31:13 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 04:27:48 PM
Or it could be devastating.
But you would need one hell of a midfield.

It's an Allardyce wet dream.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ashkar on November 28, 2012, 04:40:38 PM: 4-2-3-1 is the way forward.

Sell Bent and buy a Centre Forward as a Backup for Benteke.
Centre Back to replace Dunne.
These two positions needs to be sorted in January.

In Summer we can make the rest of the changes
Central Midfield (Dale Stephens etc)-
Playmaker (Hoolahan)- Out(Ireland)
Utility Defender (Naughton) - Out (Lichaj)

And if NZog does not work out, a genuine winger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JPartington on November 28, 2012, 04:47:46 PM: As others have said, I think the most important position for us to strengthen is a cultured attacker to play in the Gabby/Weimann role. Both are ever industrious but lacking technically, which severely impacts on our creativity.

Job description = inside forward, composed, creative, pacy, scores goals, works hard to fill in flanks so team can revert to 5 across midfield without the ball.

Another focal point for attacks will open up the whole pitch.

Should be easy to pick ones of those fellas up I imagine?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 28, 2012, 04:55:57 PM: Gabby offers a lot of pace which we need and Benteke the muscle and intimidation. What we need is a busy little annoying forward that will get on the end of Benteke and run around like an idiot for the cause and be a better finisher than Weimann. A non odious prick version of Craig Bellamy comes to mind. Someone that can drop deep and isn't afraid to run at defenders or do dirty work as required. Weimann is a work in progress but we need a proper poacher up there that can profit from the work done by Gabby and Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2012, 05:03:34 PM: Quote from: JPartington on November 28, 2012, 04:47:46 PM
As others have said, I think the most important position for us to strengthen is a cultured attacker to play in the Gabby/Weimann role. Both are ever industrious but lacking technically, which severely impacts on our creativity.

Job description = inside forward, composed, creative, pacy, scores goals, works hard to fill in flanks so team can revert to 5 across midfield without the ball.

Another focal point for attacks will open up the whole pitch.
Should be easy to pick ones of those fellas up I imagine?

To be fair, there is one of them currently playing in a mid-table Blackpool team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on November 28, 2012, 05:05:34 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Priorities for me are:

- Powerhouse central midfielder who can boss a game.
Don't want much, just somebody with no weaknesses at all and possibly the son of some sort of deity.

- Skillful attacking midfielder who can cover wide and support Benteke.
Don't want much, just somebody who has about 30 names abbreviated to one unfashionable old english name, classical composer or maybe a comic book hero. Like Bert, Amadeus or Thor. He should be able to to do things with a ball that make men want to be him and women want to be with him.

- Indomitable centre half to partner Roncrete or one of the young fellas.
Don't want much, just somebody able to leap like a Salmon, smash through 4 inches of depleted uranium armour with his little finger and able to kill a man if that man is stupid enough to say his name. He should also be able to control and pass a ball.
This will enable Richard Dunne to be fired from a cannon into a pie shop window.

Depending how well we do with these positions we could fly up the table.
We could also look at getting a cheap back up keeper and letting Given go, another versatile full back and perhaps another out and out striker to compete with or compliment Benteke. But those three positions I reckon are priorities.

Love it!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM: Are there any players in the Championship who would fit the roles we are after? Phillips and Ince at Blackpool would provide good replacements/ alternatives for the Gabby and Weiman roles...

Others?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2012, 05:25:53 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM
Are there any players in the Championship who would fit the roles we are after? Phillips and Ince at Blackpool would provide good replacements/ alternatives for the Gabby and Weiman roles...

Others?

Ince is being reportedly chased by several of the top clubs, can't see us getting him to be honest if the likes of spurs and utd are after him, Phillips maybe would be an option.

I'm hoping nzogbia will get fit and come good but I doubt it will happen .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 05:58:54 PM: Redmond?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on November 28, 2012, 07:02:24 PM: I am and have been an admirer of Gabby since he made his debut but I think we need to explode the myth that he has pace. I have noticed this season that he no longer leaves defenders behind and in fact very often his lack of a first touch means he loses possession. I admit that he is a stronger player and can hold defenders off the ball but in ' bulking up' he has had to compromise with losing his speed in the first ten yards. I will applaud his work rate and that is why he is in the team ahead of Bent- in the last 10 minutes of last nights game he looked dead on his feet but was still willing to help out the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM
Are there any players in the Championship who would fit the roles we are after? Phillips and Ince at Blackpool would provide good replacements/ alternatives for the Gabby and Weiman roles...

Others?

There is a Belgian international called Dries Mertens at PSV who would be ideal in that role. Scored 28 goals in less than 50 games for PSV, but I'm sure he would cost a fortune and that the top clubs in Europe are sniffing around him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 28, 2012, 07:54:58 PM: Quote from: eastie on November 28, 2012, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 28, 2012, 05:14:04 PM
Are there any players in the Championship who would fit the roles we are after? Phillips and Ince at Blackpool would provide good replacements/ alternatives for the Gabby and Weiman roles...

Others?

Ince is being reportedly chased by several of the top clubs, can't see us getting him to be honest if the likes of spurs and utd are after him, Phillips maybe would be an option.

I'm hoping nzogbia will get fit and come good but I doubt it will happen .

Arsenal were looking at Benteke. Just because a club is linked to a player doesn't mean they will buy them. There is enough talent that they can't all be taken up by teams in the Champions League. We just have to be prepared to put the effort in knowing the risk is that we get gazumped and move on to the next target.

As for names for those wide positions, Nathan Dyer is worth a shout too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 28, 2012, 08:23:09 PM: Quote from: Dave on November 27, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
Quote from: Shrek on November 27, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on November 27, 2012, 12:04:26 PM
I don't think it's as cut and dried as that Shrek, there should be times when we change things a bit and I would like to see bent given a run alongside benteke , I think lambert has probably decided not to persevere with bent and I find that quite sad considering he is a natural finisher whereas gabby has scored once in 30 league games.

Benteke and Bent can't play together, they both don't track back tackle or apply pressure, there is no way you can have 2 out of the 11 doing that.
Bent and Jones scored 35 goals between them for Sunderland as a pair. Who was tackling and applying pressure there?

That was 3 seasons ago and Jones's one and only good season, football has moved on, who now plays a flat 442 successfully? Maybe that's why Sunderland are struggling, with Martin unwilling to change his style.

Also, Sunderland finished 13th on 44 points, so was Bent's 25 goals good for the team? Surely a team with a player scoring that many would be more successful? Or was the team suffering due to being built around one limited player?

Dave you seem unwilling to listen to anything other than Bent should play no matter what.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on November 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM: Understand we were watching Risse at Stamford Bridge tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 29, 2012, 12:14:42 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on November 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Understand we were watching Risse at Stamford Bridge tonight.

Really? That's erm... hmmm. I dont know. I'd rather find a more promising player from Europe or something.
But he's experienced enough to allow Bennett to develop I suppose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on November 29, 2012, 12:55:38 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on November 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Understand we were watching Risse at Stamford Bridge tonight.
Lambert must have good eyesight he was at Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2012, 02:58:18 AM: Riise wouldn't be bad as long as he didn't act the maggot and send unsolicited pics to girls of his willy like at Liverpool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on November 29, 2012, 07:31:46 AM: I ant believe someone was suggesting Carroll and benteke together! I agree with the sentiments above: a centre half, an imposing midfielder and an inside forward for me, unless n'zogbia comes into form

Not sure there's much point speculating on who would take those roles: I hadn't heard of a single one of our summer signings before we bought them! But hopefully our new euro scouting function will help

Interested to hear Danny mills on 5 live yday, saying it was amazing how at many clubs they simply don't bother to scout players properly and the club relies on agents touting players to them. Couldn't help but think of our MON years
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 29, 2012, 08:31:44 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on November 29, 2012, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on November 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Understand we were watching Risse at Stamford Bridge tonight.
Lambert must have good eyesight he was at Spurs.
If we're talking J A Riisse, he was indeed playing at Stamford Bridge. There was no Risse on show at Spppppuurrrrrrrrs last night; at least not on the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 29, 2012, 08:39:32 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 29, 2012, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on November 29, 2012, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on November 29, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Understand we were watching Risse at Stamford Bridge tonight.
Lambert must have good eyesight he was at Spurs.
If we're talking J A Riisse, he was indeed playing at Stamford Bridge. There was no Risse on show at Spppppuurrrrrrrrs last night; at least not on the pitch.

I'm sure Lambert wouldn't need to be at Chelsea, he trusts Culverhouse and Karsa so one of those may have been there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2012, 08:59:46 AM: Riise would be useful, we need experience at left back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 29, 2012, 09:03:55 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on November 29, 2012, 07:31:46 AM
I ant believe someone was suggesting Carroll and benteke together!

It was just a 'what if' comment based on Lambert liking Carroll and him playing Holt and Morrison together at Norwich at times.
I don't actually think it will happen or that it's likely or even the right thing to do. But despite the opinions of some it isn't impossible that they could play together.

Regarding Riise. DC5 said we were watching him, not Lambert in particular.
I admit, I don't think it feels right though. It seems a bit unimaginative and... ordinary? for one of Lambert's targets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on November 29, 2012, 09:09:20 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2012, 08:59:46 AM
Riise would be useful, we need experience at left back.

And one who likes to push on and attack the opposition. Would give us the width we need down the left whilst Stevens/Bennett mature.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2012, 09:16:22 AM: As I say Riise would very much fit the bill of the type of player we need at the moment, and thinking about it would make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 29, 2012, 09:25:26 AM: If we sign Riise we should sign Bellamy too, buy them a pair of golf clubs, and at least if the games shit, they can provide the half time entertainment.

I think he'd be quite good. Can deliver a good set piece too. My only concern is that we'd be taking a cast off from the might of Fulham, and I'd worry if he was deemed surplus by them. Still, as far as mature players go, it's a better signing than the likes of Hutton or Beye, etc, etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2012, 09:32:54 AM: I think Riise is exactly the sort of player we need in the situation we're in. A bit of quality and experience, even if it's only short term. As long as he wouldn't be put on a ridiculous 3 year contract or anything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ryu on November 29, 2012, 09:53:13 AM: Would Risse come to us? Especially in Jan. From his perspective it would be swapping a comfortable mid table team for one that looks quite likely to be in a relegation fight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 29, 2012, 09:56:35 AM: Quote from: Ryu on November 29, 2012, 09:53:13 AM
Would Risse come to us? Especially in Jan. From his perspective it would be swapping a comfortable mid table team for one that looks quite likely to be in a relegation fight.

He's getting enough game time at Fulham it would seem. Perhaps Jol has younger targets and Riisse might become surplus. As for wages, I don't see us wanting to pay him as much as Fulham probably are, and they're not exactly the richest club (despite what they're paying Berba). Riise must be on 40k at least, maybe more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on November 29, 2012, 09:58:37 AM: I can't see us buying Riise. He doesn't fit Lambert's young and hungry profile. He'd also cost a transfer fee and high wages which for a player well into his thirties would be a very large outlay. Why would he want to leave a solid mid table team in London for us at this stage in his career anyway?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on November 29, 2012, 10:08:59 AM: Quote from: Shrek on November 28, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Dave you seem unwilling to listen to anything other than Bent should play no matter what.
No, just keen for "Bent doesn't fit" to not become another lazy "of course Zat Knight is better than Cahill, the manager says so" type assumption.

While those sagely nodding along with everything Lambert does still can't seem to come up with a logical footballing reason why they would want Bowery on the bench ahead of Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on November 29, 2012, 10:16:52 AM: None of us know what's going on behind the scenes but if Lambert and Bent really haven't had a fallout there's no logic to not have a potential matchwinner on a bench of five. I've nothing against Lowery - I've never seen him play! Has anybody else?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2012, 10:18:53 AM: No, but if his football's as bad as his paintings we've wasted our money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on November 29, 2012, 10:19:39 AM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on November 29, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
None of us know what's going on behind the scenes but if Lambert and Bent really haven't had a fallout there's no logic to not have a potential matchwinner on a bench of five. I've nothing against Lowery - I've never seen him play! Has anybody else?

I'm not too keen on his matchstalk men and matchstalk cats & dogs myself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on November 29, 2012, 10:20:48 AM: He's a player suited to the bigger matches
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on November 29, 2012, 10:21:37 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
No, but if his football's as bad as his paintings we've wasted our money.

Ha!Ha! Just confirms how little I know of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2012, 10:27:55 AM: Quote from: Dave on November 29, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 28, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Dave you seem unwilling to listen to anything other than Bent should play no matter what.
No, just keen for "Bent doesn't fit" to not become another lazy "of course Zat Knight is better than Cahill, the manager says so" type assumption.

While those sagely nodding along with everything Lambert does still can't seem to come up with a logical footballing reason why they would want Bowery on the bench ahead of Bent.

Agreed there is no logical reason I can think of, and Lambert certainly hasn't identified one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2012, 11:05:47 AM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on November 29, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
None of us know what's going on behind the scenes but if Lambert and Bent really haven't had a fallout there's no logic to not have a potential matchwinner on a bench of five. I've nothing against Lowery - I've never seen him play! Has anybody else?

Even less logic with a bench of seven.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 29, 2012, 11:21:03 AM: Does anybody seriously think Bent is being left out for 'footballing reasons'?

Come on! Even if a player doesn't fit your style (which you could convincingly argue Bent doesn't) that doesn't explain why you don't at least have them on the bench. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann get injured or we need a goal/change of plan does not having a £20m stiker on the bench for 'footballing reasons' make any sense whatsoever?No! It is a no-brainer. Something has happened/is happening behind the scenes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 29, 2012, 11:46:59 AM: Quote from: Shrek on November 28, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Dave you seem unwilling to listen to anything other than Bent should play no matter what.
No, just keen for "Bent doesn't fit" to not become another lazy "of course Zat Knight is better than Cahill, the manager says so" type assumption.

While those sagely nodding along with everything Lambert does still can't seem to come up with a logical footballing reason why they would want Bowery on the bench ahead of Bent.
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Bent should be on the bench ahead of Bowery. You say say you don't want assumptions, but you're making assumptions because Bent scores goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2012, 11:47:45 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 29, 2012, 11:21:03 AM
Does anybody seriously think Bent is being left out for 'footballing reasons'?

Come on! Even if a player doesn't fit your style (which you could convincingly argue Bent doesn't) that doesn't explain why you don't at least have them on the bench. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann get injured or we need a goal/change of plan does not having a £20m stiker on the bench for 'footballing reasons' make any sense whatsoever?No! It is a no-brainer. Something has happened/is happening behind the scenes

Totally agree, lambert is hiding the truth in my opinion if he says bent is being left out for footballing reasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2012, 11:49:17 AM: There's enough Bent threads already. We really don't need him annexing this one as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2012, 01:40:52 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
No, but if his football's as bad as his paintings we've wasted our money.

Totally pwn'd!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2012, 02:16:32 PM: Quote from: Dave on November 29, 2012, 10:08:59 AM
Quote from: Shrek on November 28, 2012, 08:23:09 PM
Dave you seem unwilling to listen to anything other than Bent should play no matter what.
No, just keen for "Bent doesn't fit" to not become another lazy "of course Zat Knight is better than Cahill, the manager says so" type assumption.

While those sagely nodding along with everything Lambert does still can't seem to come up with a logical footballing reason why they would want Bowery on the bench ahead of Bent.

Bowery has my vote. He scored a lovely goal for me on FIFA in the FA Cup away to Walsall with essentially his first touch. In true Lambert style I "rested" Benty from that game. Bent wasn't happy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2012, 02:18:30 PM: Is Bowery any good on Football Manager? :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 29, 2012, 02:25:14 PM: I think the way for us to go in Jan is to bring in on loan the experience we need and Risse would fit that bill, also someone like Frimpong, not offer what could turn out to be journey man ala MON style 3 year contracts on 60 k a week and as has been said allow the scouting team to bring in the young and hungry players for the not to distant future in case the experience turns into a Hutton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on November 29, 2012, 02:26:19 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
Is Bowery any good on Football Manager? :)

Good speed, strength and balance, bad everything else....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 29, 2012, 05:36:57 PM: These Beckham rumours are just fantasy i reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 29, 2012, 06:24:39 PM: The Truth is out there......dooby dooby do
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on November 29, 2012, 06:26:36 PM: Quote from: hawkeye on November 29, 2012, 05:36:57 PM
These Beckham rumours are just fantasy i reckon.

Talking to Monaco according to the beeb!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 29, 2012, 07:08:05 PM: I would love us to go for Frimpong. At Charlton till January rebuilding his fitness, but that first half at their place he was bloody incredible. Probably one of the most telling contributions of our season was Petrov taking him out. It allowed is the space to play and completely killed Wolves. Would fit perfectly into our current squad and system, and has more energy than any of our current lot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 29, 2012, 07:09:13 PM: Regarding Riise. A quick Google says he has 18 months left on his deal, so logic says we'd either have to increase his wages or offer him an extension on that to get him here.

His two clubs previous to Fulham were Roma and Liverpool so you'd imagine he'd be on a fair wedge, and he's 32 now so a 30 month contract would see him well into his 35th year.

Saying that, he does seem to look after himself. But it's the sort of signing we're in need of, I think. He's certainly better than Bennett, Stevens, Lichaj or Baker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on November 29, 2012, 07:15:38 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 29, 2012, 07:08:05 PM
I would love us to go for Frimpong. At Charlton till January rebuilding his fitness, but that first half at their place he was bloody incredible. Probably one of the most telling contributions of our season was Petrov taking him out. It allowed is the space to play and completely killed Wolves. Would fit perfectly into our current squad and system, and has more energy than any of our current lot.
another vote for Frimpong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2012, 07:35:19 PM: Quote from: hawkeye on November 29, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 29, 2012, 07:08:05 PM
I would love us to go for Frimpong. At Charlton till January rebuilding his fitness, but that first half at their place he was bloody incredible. Probably one of the most telling contributions of our season was Petrov taking him out. It allowed is the space to play and completely killed Wolves. Would fit perfectly into our current squad and system, and has more energy than any of our current lot.
another vote for Frimpong.

Sorry, who? I didn't catch what you said because the lift arrived.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 29, 2012, 07:39:13 PM: Frimpong would complement Westwood very well i think. Or indeed in a three with Westwood and Bannan/Ireland.

Just throwing it out there but Riise may be being considered as part of a swap with Bent (extending the "it's a done deal" theory). I actually think he'd be pretty handy for 18-months or so, but beyond that could fall into the Heskey wage drain category. He's not a typical Lambert signing but, even Lambert must fancy a bit more experience in the squad and if he's offered cheap so Fulham can afford Bent then maybe there's some truth/logic in it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 29, 2012, 08:45:30 PM: I've often wondered which club Bellamy chose to brain Riise with. Something like a seven iron seems about right. Not too long a shaft.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on November 29, 2012, 09:20:17 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on November 29, 2012, 07:09:13 PM
Regarding Riise. A quick Google says he has 18 months left on his deal, so logic says we'd either have to increase his wages or offer him an extension on that to get him here.

His two clubs previous to Fulham were Roma and Liverpool so you'd imagine he'd be on a fair wedge, and he's 32 now so a 30 month contract would see him well into his 35th year.

Saying that, he does seem to look after himself. But it's the sort of signing we're in need of, I think. He's certainly better than Bennett, Stevens, Lichaj or Baker.

At Liverpool he was on something like 89k a month after tax. His wage slip was in the paper.

I also remember him saying we came in too late for him before he went to Roma as the deal was already done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on November 30, 2012, 12:09:41 AM: I wonder if it is worth an enquiry for Connor Wickham. One of the most likely talents to emerge from the championship in recent years and floundering to say the least outside O'Neills favoured 11.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on November 30, 2012, 07:44:11 AM: Loan deal for Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), perhaps?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on November 30, 2012, 08:07:16 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 30, 2012, 07:44:11 AM
Loan deal for Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), perhaps?

You don't get the same sort of media interest when Mancini drops a £20+ mill player from the squad. They'd have to be paying a hefty chunk of his salary, he's got to be on 80k a week or more. I'd like to see Baker given more time on the pitch, it woul be horrible to lose another promising young defender because they don't get game time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 30, 2012, 08:15:56 AM: Quote from: Mister E on November 30, 2012, 07:44:11 AM
Loan deal for Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), perhaps?

Back to Everton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 30, 2012, 08:19:06 AM: Love to see Lescott at the Villa. Top class defender with Premier League experience. Everything we're missing in our back 4. Villa fan as well. Bit the bullet and get him, Randy!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 30, 2012, 08:46:19 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on November 30, 2012, 08:07:16 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 30, 2012, 07:44:11 AM
Loan deal for Jolyeon Lescott (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9713071/Manchester-City-to-loan-out-England-defender-Joleon-Lescott-in-January-transfer-window.html), perhaps?

You don't get the same sort of media interest when Mancini drops a £20+ mill player from the squad. They'd have to be paying a hefty chunk of his salary, he's got to be on 80k a week or more. I'd like to see Baker given more time on the pitch, it woul be horrible to lose another promising young defender because they don't get game time.

Agree on Baker being given more game time
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 30, 2012, 08:53:54 AM: Disagree on Baker, I'm not saying we shouldn't give him opportunities. However at the moment we need experience to get us out of trouble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on November 30, 2012, 09:03:10 AM: Lescott would be great. Exactly the type we need, however having three left sided centre backs would be odd.

If he's available for loan it's plausible if we can shift Dunne. Maybe it'd allow us to loan out Baker too.

You can see Lescott at QPR though. They'd probably pay the entirety of his wages too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 09:56:57 AM: Another vote for Lescott here too. Except its yet another left footed centre half.
Not that it bothers me too much. Everything we need at the moment. Strength, experience and the added incentive of being one of us.
I always imagined he'd end up at Villa.

Still, he'll have no shortage of offers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2012, 10:01:31 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
Another vote for Lescott here too. Except its yet another left footed centre half.
Not that it bothers me too much. Everything we need at the moment. Strength, experience and the added incentive of being one of us.
I always imagined he'd end up at Villa.

Still, he'll have no shortage of offers.

I really like Lescott, cracking centre half and a goal threat too.

He would have no shortage of offers, as you say, but a half season loan at your home town club and a game every week might tempt him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 10:05:01 AM: He owes us about 10 goals by my reckoning.
The Klingon looking Judas!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 30, 2012, 10:09:46 AM: Would love to see Lescott at villa!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on November 30, 2012, 10:33:27 AM: Lescott on loan would be a no-brainer.
Perhaps Man City will take Dunne back. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 30, 2012, 11:22:44 AM: Don't think he'd wanting to be coming back to the Birmingham area again, just to protect his knees!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 30, 2012, 11:23:12 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on November 30, 2012, 11:22:44 AM
Don't think he'd wanting to be coming back to the Birmingham area again, just to protect his knees!
I've heard stories like that about Lescott.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on November 30, 2012, 11:43:48 AM: I wouldn't mind Lescott at the Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on November 30, 2012, 11:50:55 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on November 30, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
WOuld love to see Lescott at villa!

Does that mean that Halesowen have released him ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on November 30, 2012, 12:06:58 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on November 30, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on November 30, 2012, 10:09:46 AM
WOuld love to see Lescott at villa!

Does that mean that Halesowen have released hi ?

I hope so, we couldn't afford the fee otherwise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 12:35:23 PM: I will check out these Lescott stories with his cousin. I won't see him for a couple of weeks though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 30, 2012, 12:40:25 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on November 30, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
Lescott on loan would be a no-brainer.
Perhaps Man City will take Dunne back. ;)
Only if they're struggling to shift pies in the catering.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM: Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM: Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 01:11:46 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.

If we are going to continue with this formation we are going to have to find someone who can fill the Benteke role if he is out injured or suspended. At the moment we don't really have anyone else who could play the 'target man' role so we would have to change the formation should Benteke be out. I'm not sure Altidore is the right option, but I could see the logic in bringing in someone like Benteke as cover.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:16:47 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.

If we are going to continue with this formation we are going to have to find someone who can fill the Benteke role if he is out injured or suspended. At the moment we don't really have anyone else who could play the 'target man' role so we would have to change the formation should Benteke be out. I'm not sure Altidore is the right option, but I could see the logic in bringing in someone like Benteke as cover.
But we have Jordan Bowery. ;D I think if Benteke was injured, PL would be more inclined to have a tinker maybe. Whether that would be a good or bad thing I don't know. If Bent leaves, we do need another forward though that's for sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 01:40:31 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.

If we are going to continue with this formation we are going to have to find someone who can fill the Benteke role if he is out injured or suspended. At the moment we don't really have anyone else who could play the 'target man' role so we would have to change the formation should Benteke be out. I'm not sure Altidore is the right option, but I could see the logic in bringing in someone like Benteke as cover.
But we have Jordan Bowery. ;D I think if Benteke was injured, PL would be more inclined to have a tinker maybe. Whether that would be a good or bad thing I don't know. If Bent leaves, we do need another forward though that's for sure.

Agree with that, even if it is only someone bought in as cover for Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 02:23:58 PM: We need 2 forwards IMO. A wide inside forward with a trick or two, and a Benteke alternative.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on November 30, 2012, 02:45:38 PM: http://hereisthecity.com/2012/11/30/the-37-million-aston-villa-got-for-young-and-downing-looks-bette/

Interesting to see if the money was used to buy Bent or will be available for some serious rebuilding?

Also the grass isn't always greener....unless your name is Milner of course
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2012, 02:53:23 PM: Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.

Poor man's Emile Heskey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 02:59:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on November 30, 2012, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: supertom on November 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
Talksport saying that we are after USA striker Jozy Altidore.
Poor mans Benteke. I don't see the point really. He wasn't good enough for this league. Mind you...the clue is in the first word there, Talksport. I'd file that under bo-larks. I'd rather take Keano again. He could offer us something different, some experience and some goals for a year or so. I think another 2 month loan would be a bit futile.

Poor man's Emile Heskey.

That was my initial thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 03:03:58 PM: He's doing well in Holland but... I dont know. He was little more than a teenager when last in this league and playing for a shit team.
But I think we can do better.

AND, I think the link is utter bollocks because it's talksport.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 03:12:46 PM: He always looked quite good to me. Lively, quick and strong. Don't think he scored many though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 03:15:34 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 03:03:58 PM
He's doing well in Holland but... I dont know. He was little more than a teenager when last in this league and playing for a shit team.
But I think we can do better.

AND, I think the link is utter bollocks because it's talksport.

They had Tommy Smyth on from ESPN over here, and he seemed to think that it was a done deal. It is still Talksport though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 03:23:43 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 03:12:46 PM
He always looked quite good to me. Lively, quick and strong. Don't think he scored many though.

I thought he looked a real handful at times, and was there not somewhat mitigating circumstances of being a teenager, abroad, and playing for Phil Brown, in a truly awful Hull side?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 03:25:50 PM: Possibly, but I don't think very deeply about other teams or their players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 03:38:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
We need 2 forwards IMO. A wide inside forward with a trick or two, and a Benteke alternative.

Would agree with that Ozz. We need a wide forward in the January window and could do with N'Zogbia finding some form. I would only look at buying a Benteke alternative in January if Bent leaves in the window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 03:39:35 PM: Looking at his wiki he has 2 things in his favour. He doesn't get on with Alan Hutton, and he pays for the side we got Holman from, so may fit in quite quickly. And tweets about Holman during Villa games.

Agree re Benetek back up if Bent leaves. NZogbia finding form is something I really do think will happen though. In our current set up he will get the ball int he sort of areas he can hurt sides, and could finally appear the player we thought we were signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 03:50:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 03:39:35 PM
Looking at his wiki he has 2 things in his favour. He doesn't get on with Alan Hutton, and he pays for the side we got Holman from, so may fit in quite quickly. And tweets about Holman during Villa games.

Agree re Benetek back up if Bent leaves. NZogbia finding form is something I really do think will happen though. In our current set up he will get the ball int he sort of areas he can hurt sides, and could finally appear the player we thought we were signing.

Let's hope so. I wonder if we are still interested in Douglas, the defender who we were linked with in the summer. I see that since the summer he gained Dutch citizenship and has been called up into the Dutch squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tepavilla on November 30, 2012, 04:08:32 PM: Quote from: OCD on November 30, 2012, 02:53:23 PM
Poor man's Emile Heskey.
Laws of physics say your hypothesis simply aint possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 04:18:04 PM: Well, me old mate Bill de Vall will be happy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 30, 2012, 04:31:52 PM: Quote from: Tucson Villain on November 30, 2012, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on November 30, 2012, 03:03:58 PM
He's doing well in Holland but... I dont know. He was little more than a teenager when last in this league and playing for a shit team.
But I think we can do better.

AND, I think the link is utter bollocks because it's talksport.

They had Tommy Smyth on from ESPN over here, and he seemed to think that it was a done deal. It is still Talksport though.

Tommy Smyth is fucking annoying ringpiece. What are we discussing again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2012, 07:13:03 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 03:12:46 PM
He always looked quite good to me. Lively, quick and strong. Don't think he scored many though.

Same here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on November 30, 2012, 08:22:16 PM: If we're going to look 'left field' how about Torres?
Doing nothing at Chelsea, we could certainly offer him something different :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on November 30, 2012, 08:26:04 PM: Quote from: nigel on November 30, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
If we're going to look 'left field' how about Torres?
Doing nothing at Chelsea, we could certainly offer him something different :)

He'd offer us absolutely fuck all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on November 30, 2012, 08:27:08 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on November 30, 2012, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 30, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
We need 2 forwards IMO. A wide inside forward with a trick or two, and a Benteke alternative.

Would agree with that Ozz. We need a wide forward in the January window and could do with N'Zogbia finding some form. I would only look at buying a Benteke alternative in January if Bent leaves in the window.
If you wait for Nzog to find form we will be in the bloody Conference ffs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2012, 09:28:36 PM: Interesting link to Riise. MON would've signed him if Liverpool had got Heinze in 2007 apparently.

He would do a decent 18 month type job imo.

Another one I've liked the look of recently is Llallana from Southampton, could be worth looking at if they get relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM: Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:35:24 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106

over 70 million on agents , what a waste
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:36:05 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106

over 70 million on agents , what a waste

It really does amaze me how much money an agent can make for doing what appears to be a very easy job.

(happy 5,000th post to me)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:38:00 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106

over 70 million on agents , what a waste

It really does amaze me how much money an agent can make for doing what appears to be a very easy job.

(happy 5,000th post to me)

many happy returns , what do you get ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:42:13 PM: Congrats Chips, we mods made you a cake but i've already eaten it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:43:16 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106

over 70 million on agents , what a waste

It really does amaze me how much money an agent can make for doing what appears to be a very easy job.

(happy 5,000th post to me)

many happy returns , what do you get ?

A swift kick in the bollocks, although I have this weird image in my head of all the mods coming down to my house with a massive cake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:44:36 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Congrats Chips, we mods made you a cake but i've already eaten it.

Victoria sponge or Chocolate?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:46:27 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on November 30, 2012, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
Not sure it's worth it's own thread so thought i'd stick it in here.

Total money spent on agents (Oct 2011-Sep 2012)

Manchester City £10,537,982
Liverpool £8,600,444
Queens Park Rangers £6,818,688
Tottenham Hotspur £6,595,905
Chelsea £6,490,382
Arsenal £5,580,873
West Ham United £4,436,992
Manchester United £3,681,580
Newcastle United £3,485,503
Everton £3,092,891
Aston Villa £2,730,539
Fulham £2,581,208
Sunderland £2,173,762
Reading £2,167,833
Wigan Athletic £1,974,305
Stoke City £1,717,266
West Bromwich Albion £1,341,301
Norwich City £1,248,725
Swansea City £1,100,845
Southampton £646,106

over 70 million on agents , what a waste

It really does amaze me how much money an agent can make for doing what appears to be a very easy job.

(happy 5,000th post to me)

many happy returns , what do you get ?

A swift kick in the bollocks, although I have this weird image in my head of all the mods coming down to my house with a massive cake.

both weird and painful
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:48:24 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Congrats Chips, we mods made you a cake but i've already eaten it.

Victoria sponge or Chocolate?

Hash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:52:57 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on November 30, 2012, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Congrats Chips, we mods made you a cake but i've already eaten it.

Victoria sponge or Chocolate?

Hash.

Nice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfOjkB17BA)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 01, 2012, 02:43:58 PM: Quote from: LeeB on November 30, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
Quote from: nigel on November 30, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
If we're going to look 'left field' how about Torres?
Doing nothing at Chelsea, we could certainly offer him something different :)

He'd offer us absolutely fuck all.

Torres is still quality, imo.
Something has obviously gone wrong somewhere at Chelsea, the right team would get plenty from him.
Personally I'd love it to be us, if we were brave enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 01, 2012, 07:06:26 PM: I would sooner keep Bent than have Torres at the moment.

I fear we will go after Doyle in Jan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 01, 2012, 07:09:13 PM: how much do you think Torres is on ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 01, 2012, 08:10:20 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 29, 2012, 07:39:13 PM

Just throwing it out there but Riise may be being considered as part of a swap with Bent (extending the "it's a done deal" theory). I actually think he'd be pretty handy for 18-months or so, but beyond that could fall into the Heskey wage drain category. He's not a typical Lambert signing but, even Lambert must fancy a bit more experience in the squad and if he's offered cheap so Fulham can afford Bent then maybe there's some truth/logic in it.

A mystic Kev said:

Quote from: KevinGage on November 24, 2012, 08:42:29 PM

Jol actually mentioned him by name a few weeks back - so there could be something going on in that regard.

I'm not sure they could afford the full whack though (we should be looking in excess of £12 million). Maybe cash and one of their players would be the way to go.

Riise would fill the gap we have at Left Back -and Fulham might be keen, when you look at the average age of their squad now. For us, we need a few older heads (but decent with it, not dross like Hutton).

I haven't discounted the possibility that Bennett might come good in time, but I'd be more comfortable with the idea of him as back up for the next season or two. We've looked weak down that side even prior to his brainfreeze v Norwich.

Not that I'm sold on Riise. I'd be quite happy with a competent left back of any sort, truth be told.

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2012, 12:35:23 PM
I will check out these Lescott stories with his cousin. I won't see him for a couple of weeks though.

Doesn't one of his cousins (or an extended member of the family) post on here? I forget who, mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 01, 2012, 10:14:06 PM: I'd far rather give Bennet and/or Stevens (who has looked increasingly comfortable) the time to develop than sign some washed up poker failure for a last hoorah. We should stick with young talent and trust that they will develop as a team as opposed to signing over the hill prem cast offs. I'd rather go down trying than continue to supplement the lifestyles of out dated losers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 01, 2012, 11:02:03 PM: Bennett needs a run without injury. Poor kid has not been fully fit since signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2012, 11:10:20 PM: Maybe he's a bit injury prone, what were his appearance stats like at Boro?

That undisputed first yellow against Norwich when he lunged in recklessley was a fine imitation of Warnock.

I'd like to get in another left back in January tbh.

No problem on the other side as I think Lowton is fantastic and Herd and Lichaj are decent back up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 01, 2012, 11:15:20 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Maybe he's a bit injury prone, what were his appearance stats like at Boro?

That undisputed first yellow against Norwich when he lunged in recklessley was a fine imitation of Warnock.

I'd like to get in another left back in January tbh.

No problem on the other side as I think Lowton is fantastic and Herd and Lichaj are decent back up.

Bennett's latest injury originally was caused in Tottenham game where he got pretty nasty gash on his knee, crashed on advertisement boards I think, which got injured again in game after that so I wouldn't call it being injury prone, just bad luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 01, 2012, 11:17:56 PM: He had a good game at Tottenham, if you don't blame him for Lennon's goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 02, 2012, 04:55:49 AM: Mame Biram Diouf?
http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/aston-villa/aston-villa-chase-former-manchester-united-ace
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 02, 2012, 08:14:29 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on December 01, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Maybe he's a bit injury prone, what were his appearance stats like at Boro?

That undisputed first yellow against Norwich when he lunged in recklessley was a fine imitation of Warnock.

I'd like to get in another left back in January tbh.

No problem on the other side as I think Lowton is fantastic and Herd and Lichaj are decent back up.

Bennett's latest injury originally was caused in Tottenham game where he got pretty nasty gash on his knee, crashed on advertisement boards I think, which got injured again in game after that so I wouldn't call it being injury prone, just bad luck.

He was also injured when he signed for us but I think given a good run in the team and match fit he will be a good signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 02, 2012, 08:27:23 AM: Quote from: Matt C on December 02, 2012, 04:55:49 AM
Mame Biram Diouf?
http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/aston-villa/aston-villa-chase-former-manchester-united-ace
Seem to recall him being a bit bobbins. Did he not have a forgettable loan spell at Blackburn or somewhere?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 09:35:29 AM: Yeah Blackburn, but seems to have done well since going to Germany.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 02, 2012, 09:39:12 AM: Dare I say it, but Beckham?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 02, 2012, 09:43:59 AM: Quote from: supertom on December 02, 2012, 09:39:12 AM
Dare I say it, but Beckham?
Beckham will not be coming back to the Premier League- he stated as much earlier this week
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 09:48:09 AM: Beckham would not cut it in the Prem any more. Fantastic player still, but the speed of the game would be too much I reckon.

We do need 3-4 experienced men, even if a couple are on loan though.

I like the midfielder at Celtic but imagine he will have bigger suitors than Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 02, 2012, 11:17:06 AM: Beckham never had speed. He wouldn't cut it on the right any more but I think he could be decent as a sitting midfielder. I'm expecting him to go to PSG.

Wanyama is quality and would be ideal for us but Celtic will want a fortune and he's probably wanted by more fashionable teams than us. Frimpong is similar and could be more realistic. Other than that, lets hope our scouting system can find a few more gems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 02, 2012, 11:50:14 AM: I feel we are just a Diame and a Michu short of a really good side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 02, 2012, 12:34:20 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 02, 2012, 11:50:14 AM
I feel we are just a Diame and a Michu short of a really good side.

They would have cost us a combined £2.5m in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 02, 2012, 01:07:08 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 02, 2012, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on December 02, 2012, 11:50:14 AM
I feel we are just a Diame and a Michu short of a really good side.

They would have cost us a combined £2.5m in the summer.

I'd agree with that DrGonzo, although we probably need to address the Gabi/Holman positions too. But two good central midfielders would make a huge difference to the team.

We can't hoover up every great bargain going, but Diame and Michu do demonstrate what could be possible with the budget we have.

QPR had us on the rack yesterday despite the fact that we have a better defence and a better striker by some distance. They did it by always having options for the guy with the ball, and not giving us too much room when we were in possession.

We are not that far from being able to dish out the pasting some posters think we have have done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM: I think this summer for once we can say we got a few real bargains thankfully. Diame was an obvious one, that a lot of us on here wanted, and what he brings apart from a lot of skill is a great deal of physicality that we lack badly in our midfield IMO. None of our lads are big strapping people who can really stamp themselves on a game. One of those and an amalgamation of Holman and Ireland and we would be a very decent side. The advanced midfield positions in front of Westwood are where we need 4 better players than we have, although I hold out a little hope that NZogbia can yet be saved.

How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 02, 2012, 01:52:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
Vallecano (like most of Spanish football) were massively in debt and he only had a year left on his contract.

As for the player himself, he's probably just pleased that he's at a team where he's actually going to be given his wages each month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 02, 2012, 01:57:55 PM: Arguably our best five players are new signings, so bring it on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 02, 2012, 02:37:31 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
Vallecano (like most of Spanish football) were massively in debt and he only had a year left on his contract.

As for the player himself, he's probably just pleased that he's at a team where he's actually going to be given his wages each month.

Yep,not a big enough player for the two big spanish teams,and the rest of the them can't match English wages. Shame it seems only Laudrup had only knowledge of him. Speaking of Swansea,id love to see if we could tempt them with a bid for Dyer. Played yesterday,but has been in and out this season,really intelligent player,quick,would work really well on the right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 02, 2012, 02:53:54 PM: I like Dyer, but I think Swansea would ask too much for him and in turn Dyer would want his weight in gold for wages.
Good player but I do not think we'd get good value for money out of him.

If he was a leader and talismanic character then I could understand it but I'm not sure Dyer is either of those things.

I read that Sinclair might be available for loan. Sinclair and Fringpong could be a budget solution to our problems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 02, 2012, 03:01:28 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
I think this summer for once we can say we got a few real bargains thankfully. Diame was an obvious one, that a lot of us on here wanted, and what he brings apart from a lot of skill is a great deal of physicality that we lack badly in our midfield IMO. None of our lads are big strapping people who can really stamp themselves on a game. One of those and an amalgamation of Holman and Ireland and we would be a very decent side. The advanced midfield positions in front of Westwood are where we need 4 better players than we have, although I hold out a little hope that NZogbia can yet be saved.

How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
I don't - and never have - hold out much hope of a resurgent N'Zog. It'd be great to be wrong but I just don't see enough enthusiasm, energy and desire in his play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johncvilla88 on December 02, 2012, 03:08:20 PM: Jordan Rhodes looks good for bent replacement
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: go on the dog on December 02, 2012, 03:57:23 PM: Don't shoot me but I like the look of Will Hughes at Derby and Ben Marshall at Leicester booth look decent young players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 02, 2012, 04:06:34 PM: Quote from: go on the dog on December 02, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Don't shoot me but I like the look of Will Hughes at Derby and Ben Marshall at Leicester booth look decent young players.

Far from shooting you I think that's interesting. What kinds of players are they?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on December 02, 2012, 04:08:29 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 02, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
Quote from: go on the dog on December 02, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Don't shoot me but I like the look of Will Hughes at Derby and Ben Marshall at Leicester booth look decent young players.

Far from shooting you I think that's interesting. What kinds of players are they?

Will Hughes is one of the most highly rated youngsters in the country, he is a midfielder and all the top teams are after him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2012, 04:12:07 PM: Yep heard of Hughes, but I think we need quality experience in the immediate term.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on December 02, 2012, 04:14:58 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Yep heard of Hughes, but I think we need quality experience in the immediate term.

Agreed 100% and im sure he is an attacking midfielder which we do have a surplus of
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 02, 2012, 04:15:42 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on December 02, 2012, 04:14:58 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Yep heard of Hughes, but I think we need quality experience in the immediate term.

Agreed 100% and im sure he is an attacking midfielder which we do have a surplus of

Actually, I think what we're really lacking is some spark in the final third. If that's what he'd provide, then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 02, 2012, 04:21:04 PM: Can't we just give Sammy Carruthers a proper go instead?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 02, 2012, 04:24:01 PM: Quote from: eamonn on December 02, 2012, 04:21:04 PM
Can't we just give Sammy Carruthers a proper go instead?

We can do both. Carruthers does look very talented.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 02, 2012, 04:34:29 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 02, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: eamonn on December 02, 2012, 04:21:04 PM
Can't we just give Sammy Carruthers a proper go instead?

We can do both. Carruthers does look very talented.

He scored a decent goal in the U21 game earlier apparantley. I think we've got a decent player in Drennan as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 02, 2012, 06:16:25 PM: I've seen Will Hughes when he played for England Under 21's. He's still only 17 but looks like a very tidy player. As someone has said, I think he's on just about every Premier League team's radar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 02, 2012, 07:29:15 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on December 02, 2012, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
Vallecano (like most of Spanish football) were massively in debt and he only had a year left on his contract.

As for the player himself, he's probably just pleased that he's at a team where he's actually going to be given his wages each month.

Yep,not a big enough player for the two big spanish teams,and the rest of the them can't match English wages. Shame it seems only Laudrup had only knowledge of him. Speaking of Swansea,id love to see if we could tempt them with a bid for Dyer. Played yesterday,but has been in and out this season,really intelligent player,quick,would work really well on the right.

Sevilla are in real financial trouble at the moment, so could have a few players looking to leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 02, 2012, 08:10:19 PM: A few Swansea fans on the net reckon Routledge is better than Dyer!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2012, 08:43:44 PM: Quote from: Mister E on December 02, 2012, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 02, 2012, 01:46:31 PM
I think this summer for once we can say we got a few real bargains thankfully. Diame was an obvious one, that a lot of us on here wanted, and what he brings apart from a lot of skill is a great deal of physicality that we lack badly in our midfield IMO. None of our lads are big strapping people who can really stamp themselves on a game. One of those and an amalgamation of Holman and Ireland and we would be a very decent side. The advanced midfield positions in front of Westwood are where we need 4 better players than we have, although I hold out a little hope that NZogbia can yet be saved.

How Swansea got Michu, considering he had a good scoring record in Spain, for 2 million is beyond me, but he was a snip and fair play to them.
I don't - and never have - hold out much hope of a resurgent N'Zog. It'd be great to be wrong but I just don't see enough enthusiasm, energy and desire in his play.

The thing that worries me with N'Zogbia is that I've seen effort and desire from him, it's his lack of ability that's the problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 02, 2012, 08:47:16 PM: There is absolutely no doubt N'Zogbia has the ability, it's a matter of him finding fitness, sharpness and form at the same time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 02, 2012, 08:49:05 PM: Quote from: Shrek on December 02, 2012, 08:47:16 PM
There is absolutely no doubt N'Zogbia has the ability, it's a matter of him finding fitness, sharpness and form at the same time.

You'd think that, but what I've seen of him in a Villa shirt has contradicted this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 02, 2012, 09:17:00 PM: Buy Will Hughes, loan Derby Carruthers (or even Delph).
Hopefully in that half season Carruthers can step up so he is ready for 2013/14.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 02, 2012, 11:59:33 PM: Its asking a lot for a 17 year old to solve our problems. If he's that good it would be better to buy him and loan him back to them so that he gets more experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 12:37:19 AM: Sorry, Will Hughes? Who he? Why should we be after him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on December 03, 2012, 07:20:00 AM: One of my friends brother, I use to take him into the pub on a sunday buy him a coke and let him watch the sky spunk fest, lovely kid, he's a arsenal fan however and the are interested in him so....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 03, 2012, 08:18:12 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Sorry, Will Hughes? Who he?
Fuck knows.
Wrote 'The Iron Giant' didn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on December 03, 2012, 08:46:29 AM: If as seems likely Bent is off then Robbie Keane for 8 games seems a very useful option. Also' realistically is Dunne also persona non grata ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2012, 09:18:20 AM: Quote from: IFWaters on December 03, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
If as seems likely Bent is off then Robbie Keane for 8 games seems a very useful option. Also' realistically is Dunne also persona non grata ?

Potato non gratin more like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on December 03, 2012, 09:20:39 AM: hehehe
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 03, 2012, 09:28:09 AM: Quote from: LeeB on December 03, 2012, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: IFWaters on December 03, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
If as seems likely Bent is off then Robbie Keane for 8 games seems a very useful option. Also' realistically is Dunne also persona non grata ?

Potato non gratin more like.
Very good Lee
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 03, 2012, 09:42:58 AM: I really can't think of many obvious targets we could sign, I suppose that's not a bad thing. Unlike the MON days, I guess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2012, 12:32:29 PM: Apart from a few weeks of Keane, maybe Frimpong on loan, a look at Sturridge if he is not getting games under Rafa on loan might be worth a shout.

In seasons past there were always a few players not getting games at the top sides that sides like us would be linked with - Darren Gibson last season ending up at Everton for example, or a Jenas or 1-2 players doing well at relegated sides that are ready to be bought.

How is that Williams kid doing at Boro that we were linked with in the summer? Is Palacios still not getting a game at Stoke? Looking for obvious targets is not simple anymore. I think Germany and Holland are more likely to be raided than our league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 03, 2012, 12:34:27 PM: Frimpong has gone to Charlton on loan, he was recially abused at Millwall on Saturday whilst warming up apparently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2012, 12:35:47 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 03, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
Frimpong has gone to Charlton on loan, he was recially abused at Millwall on Saturday whilst warming up apparently.

He is there till January for fitness after a long time out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 12:43:58 PM: Ah good old Milwall. Really give you that fuzzy glow of humanity.
They probably think Xenophobia is some disease brought into the country by Somalians.

Anyway, Sturridge is a good shout. May be difficult but the best things always are. He'd be great as one of the wide forward players outside of Benteke. Say... Zaha or Ince on the other side? Laverly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 03, 2012, 01:12:13 PM: I think arsenal need Frimpong looking at how crap they have become.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 03, 2012, 01:12:51 PM: Sturridge reminds me of another Billy Big Bollocks .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 01:14:09 PM: Couldn't care less as long as he delivered.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 03, 2012, 02:35:50 PM: With his German connections he might go for Stefan Keisling of Bayer L To strengthen the forward options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 02:47:40 PM: Or annexe sudet... no never mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2012, 06:10:10 PM: Lambert as good as said we'll be bringing players in in January. if so I'd expect him to be after experienced players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 06:33:25 PM: I wouldn't put money on it. I think young and hungry will still typically be the order of the day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 03, 2012, 06:52:06 PM: If there is one criticism I would make of Lambert's acquisitions it is that he has taken the 'hungry' bit a little too literally.

I would prefer a couple of suitably nourished midfielders. Nothing Richard Dunne class of course, just with enough beef one their bones to stand their corner in the push'n'shovefests that pass for top flight football nowadays.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 03, 2012, 07:06:11 PM: I wonder if he'll go back in for that Dale Stephens?

As for others, Keane and Frimpong would be good. He was also at a recent Stripeyfilth game watching someone or another. Could be an interesting January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 03, 2012, 07:13:40 PM: I believe most la liga club are in financial trouble and apart from the obvious big 2 there are plenty of quality players out there but they don't appeal to G14 clubs. We need to use our scouts to spot players from La Liga and Bungeliga (German League) to improve the team. There are bargains to be had but we need to look for them. We can't keep spending 8 millions pounds on a player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2012, 07:16:06 PM: Martin Waghorn and/or Anthony Knockaert could be a decent shout.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2012, 07:38:07 PM: I just have a feeling that Lambert will surprise us with the calibre of 1 or 2 that he brings in in January. Probably from Germany or Northern Europe somewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on December 03, 2012, 08:26:11 PM: I think he will get some players with more experience under their belts. The reality is that these new signings in January are going to need to hit the ground running. It's going to be a gamble getting these players from foreign leagues as it is and expecting them to play as we need to straight away. Getting young and inexperienced players I would be a far greater gamble that not even lambert could afford I would have thought.

But who knows what the manager is thinking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 03, 2012, 08:31:20 PM: Lambert has said Benteke will not be sold, why is this even a subject? He should be been given a 5 year deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2012, 08:33:42 PM: Eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 03, 2012, 08:39:27 PM: Quote from: peter w on December 03, 2012, 07:38:07 PM
I just have a feeling that Lambert will surprise us with the calibre of 1 or 2 that he brings in in January. Probably from Germany or Northern Europe somewhere.

yes i like northern europe steady sturdy viking like
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 03, 2012, 09:10:13 PM: The time to look at bringing in young players is in the summer. I would look to bring in a couple of experienced players on loan to the end of the season. I would not look to bring in somebody on their 6 week holiday from the MLS. Keane is another year older than last season and, although he played well for us last season in a few games, I cannot see him being able to raise his game to PL level again.

If PL is able to bring in somebody of quality next month and that will also be around for a few years, great but you usually end up paying way over the top at this time of the year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 03, 2012, 09:22:26 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on December 03, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
The time to look at bringing in young players is in the summer. I would look to bring in a couple of experienced players on loan to the end of the season. I would not look to bring in somebody on their 6 week holiday from the MLS. Keane is another year older than last season and, although he played well for us last season in a few games, I cannot see him being able to raise his game to PL level again.

If PL is able to bring in somebody of quality next month and that will also be around for a few years, great but you usually end up paying way over the top at this time of the year.

Landon Donovan makes more sense than Keane to me. Younger and more familiar with playing as an inside forward than Keane. He's had a couple of stints at Everton and done well so he should hit the ground running.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 03, 2012, 09:47:21 PM: Keane would be no better a fit in the formation we play than Darren Bent. Leave him where he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on December 03, 2012, 09:57:09 PM: We need a beast for the middle of the park. I like the look of Westwood, get him a protector. Bent for Ruiz of Fulham in a swap would do nicely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 03, 2012, 09:58:29 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Keane would be no better a fit in the formation we play than Darren Bent. Leave him where he is.

Actually he'd fit in behind Benteke. Perfect position for him in this league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 03, 2012, 10:06:30 PM: Quote from: Summers on December 03, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Keane would be no better a fit in the formation we play than Darren Bent. Leave him where he is.

Actually he'd fit in behind Benteke. Perfect position for him in this league.

No he wouldn't. The way we play that position is an advanced midfielder rather than deep striker. It requires a player of much greater mobility and a broader range of skills than Keane has.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 03, 2012, 10:12:57 PM: Quote from: peter w on December 03, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
Martin Waghorn and/or Anthony Knockaert could be a decent shout.

Didn't they star in the German remake of The Sweeney?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 03, 2012, 10:14:21 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on December 03, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Keane would be no better a fit in the formation we play than Darren Bent. Leave him where he is.

Actually he'd fit in behind Benteke. Perfect position for him in this league.

No he wouldn't. The way we play that position is an advanced midfielder rather than deep striker. It requires a player of much greater mobility and a broader range of skills than Keane has.

Spot on Steve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 10:16:53 PM: We need to find our own string pulling goalscorer. Our Suarez, Yorke, van der Vaart, Totti etc.
We need a true number 10 to help Benteke and draw everything together.

Keane is a good player and if he comes so be it but its probably time to move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 03, 2012, 10:17:21 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on December 03, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on December 03, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Keane would be no better a fit in the formation we play than Darren Bent. Leave him where he is.

Actually he'd fit in behind Benteke. Perfect position for him in this league.

No he wouldn't. The way we play that position is an advanced midfielder rather than deep striker. It requires a player of much greater mobility and a broader range of skills than Keane has.

Agreed.

The Ruiz option is a good shout too. He'll be considered surplus to requirements if Bent joins and is a more natural player wide or behind a striker than Weimann or Gabby. It would seem to suit both clubs.

Fulham paid over ten million for him - from memory - so there should be a good player in there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on December 03, 2012, 10:18:12 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on December 03, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: peter w on December 03, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
Martin Waghorn and/or Anthony Knockaert could be a decent shout.

Didn't they star in the German remake of The Sweeney?

Konckaert looks a super prospect, but has been a silly boy. I hope he learns by his mistake. Oh, & he's French.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-20587542
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2012, 11:24:32 PM: A signing like Solano would be good. That sort of player that has a touch of magic and is a bit older so can be someone the kids look to to help them out.

And a beast next to Westwood I agree, Frimpong is the man for me, I would pay the 3-4 million Arsenal would want and have him tomorrow, but we were linked with a big Danish lad a few weeks back that might be on the radar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 04, 2012, 12:52:24 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 03, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
A signing like Solano would be good. That sort of player that has a touch of magic and is a bit older so can be someone the kids look to to help them out.

And a beast next to Westwood I agree, Frimpong is the man for me, I would pay the 3-4 million Arsenal would want and have him tomorrow, but we were linked with a big Danish lad a few weeks back that might be on the radar.

Agree as well and Anderson from Man Utd would fit that bill for me, but I think he can be filed away in the 'unrealistic' category. I still think James McCarthy from Wigan would be a great signing and we could maybe offer up N'Zogbia in a swap deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:02:50 AM: What chance prising Ashley Williams away from Swansea I wonder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 04, 2012, 09:10:42 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
What chance prising Ashley Williams away from Swansea I wonder.

He'd love to come to us. The trouble is, I think he's decidedly average and no better than what we have. Makes loads of crucial mistakes too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:22:24 AM: Really? I always thought he was quite good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 04, 2012, 09:26:28 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:22:24 AM
Really? I always thought he was quite good.

I think he's decent and would rather him in the squad than Dunne, but I'm a fan of Baker and I think he needs a run in the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 04, 2012, 09:31:46 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 04, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:22:24 AM
Really? I always thought he was quite good.

I think he's decent and would rather him in the squad than Dunne, but I'm a fan of Baker and I think he needs a run in the side.
Williams is big, strong and robust. But, we lack a bit of pace at the back and would rather we looked at a younger option that can cover better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM: Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 10:51:08 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

We do lack a good viking don't we.. A bearded one would be my preference.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 04, 2012, 10:59:44 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

We do lack a good viking don't we.. A bearded one would be my preference.

Jonas Olsson from WBA. I rate him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 04, 2012, 11:16:09 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 03, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Couldn't care less as long as he delivered.

true Maz but doesnt seem PL signing eg Bent
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 04, 2012, 11:18:39 AM: whats Carbone up too? we need a player like him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 04, 2012, 01:44:50 PM: Ashley Williams is terrible.. Loses concentration and makes so many mistakes it's embarrassing. Two or Three weeks in a row he passed the ball backwards to an opposition striker. Liability.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 04, 2012, 01:49:58 PM: Quote from: Summers on December 04, 2012, 01:44:50 PM
Ashley Williams is terrible.. Loses concentration and makes so many mistakes it's embarrassing. Two or Three weeks in a row he passed the ball backwards to an opposition striker. Liability.
Is that the one who fucked up against Benteke at our place?
He's fucking awful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 04, 2012, 01:51:26 PM: Yup. He fucked up in the game before it, and after it too IIRC.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 01:53:36 PM: Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

Sounds ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 04, 2012, 01:55:00 PM: Northern Europe is the place to look.

Book a flight, oh dour Scottish one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 04, 2012, 04:57:11 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 04, 2012, 12:52:24 AM
Agree as well and Anderson from Man Utd would fit that bill for me, but I think he can be filed away in the 'unrealistic' category. I still think James McCarthy from Wigan would be a great signing and we could maybe offer up N'Zogbia in a swap deal.
Good shout, Tom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on December 04, 2012, 05:05:41 PM: Filip Jankovic:

http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/red-star-teen-on-lamberts-radar-1511703.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 05:50:13 PM: Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

Does he have a beard
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 04, 2012, 07:36:33 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 04, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
Northern Europe is the place to look.

Book a flight, oh dour Scottish one.

I don't he will, apparently he uses these bloke called 'scouts' like some sort of weirdo from the future.

Everyone knows you sign players on either them having played well against you last season, or simply waiting to see who someone else was going to sign then offering twice as much in wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 04, 2012, 07:39:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

Does he have a beard

At 21 you should be asking can he grow a beard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 08:01:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

Does he have a beard

(http://www.backtotheeighties.net/images/guess-who-faces.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 04, 2012, 08:29:11 PM: Ashley Williams is helped out a lot by playing in a team that retains the ball (56% away to Arsenal even). He would soon get found out against us.

The young version of Martin Laursen sounds promising.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 04, 2012, 09:25:25 PM: Morrison Reading ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PGW on December 04, 2012, 09:26:56 PM: Morrison's certainly a big lump but i hardly think Reading will let him come to us!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 04, 2012, 09:37:06 PM: Quote from: not3bad on December 04, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
Filip Jankovic:

http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/red-star-teen-on-lamberts-radar-1511703.html
No not ths guy. We stand a better chance of pulling off Jerkov.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 04, 2012, 09:51:32 PM: Or his brother, Weird Al.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on December 04, 2012, 10:03:56 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 04, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Morrison Reading ?

There is a Waitrose....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 04, 2012, 10:35:29 PM: Will his nickname be FLIPPER :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 04, 2012, 10:51:04 PM: Quote from: DB on December 04, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 04, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Morrison Reading ?

There is a Waitrose....

Or Seb`s sister ? Tess Coe ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: zlatans bicyclekick on December 05, 2012, 06:50:29 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 04, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

Does he have a beard

Nope, sorry. :( Maybe we could sign him and the fans pull together and buy him a fake beard?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on December 05, 2012, 08:07:30 AM: Quote from: DB on December 04, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 04, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Morrison Reading ?

There is a Waitrose....

I think there is one on the Basingstoke Road
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 05, 2012, 08:14:52 AM: Curtis Davies? ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 05, 2012, 08:53:31 AM: Kevin Grosskreutz from Dortmund?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 08:57:10 AM: Aston Villa are among a group of clubs who will be watching FC Cluj winger Modou Sougou in action at Manchester United in the Champions League tonight.

Newcastle, Norwich, Bolton and Swansea are also keeping tabs on the 27-year-old.

The Senegal international is available for about £2 million and is known to want to leave Romania in January.
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I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that this is absolute bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spaf on December 05, 2012, 09:17:16 AM: Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

zlatans bicyclekick you know about these other guys I scouted in ten minutes from Transfermarkt:

Even Hofland (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 23 (born feb), 3 caps for Norway, recovering from ACL rupture, sign him up.

Vegard Forren (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 24 (feb), 5 caps for Norway

These guys play in the backlines of Molde FK, the best team in Tippeligaen and haven't too many caps and are still in Norway so don't know.

Stefan Strandberg (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/stefan-strandberg/profil/spieler_50617.html) - 22 (jul), Rosenborg FK, no caps (21 U21), any good?

Gustav Valsvik (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/gustav-valsvik/profil/spieler_136185.html) - 19 (may), has played a year in Tippeligaen at 19 so must be decent talent, only U19 caps though

Juhani Ojala (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/juhani-ojala/profil/spieler_88257.html) - 22 (jun), Young Boys Bern, 5 caps for Finland, great passer, played little under a year on higher lever (than Finnish league)

Daniel Höegh (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/daniel-hoeegh/profil/spieler_99100.html) - 21 (jan), OB, in danish national squad, no caps yet

Jores Okore (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jores-okore/profil/spieler_129085.html) - 20 (aug), FC Nordsjäelland, in danish national squad, no caps yet, shortest of the bunch with 183 cm

I guess it'd be more expensive to buy someone from Switzerland than Scandinavia, but had to have a finn there as well. I didn't look at the players already in the money leagues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 05, 2012, 09:24:24 AM: Quote from: spaf on December 05, 2012, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

zlatans bicyclekick you know about these other guys I scouted in ten minutes from Transfermarkt:

Even Hofland (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 23 (born feb), 3 caps for Norway, recovering from ACL rupture, sign him up.

Vegard Forren (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 24 (feb), 5 caps for Norway

These guys play in the backlines of Molde FK, the best team in Tippeligaen and haven't too many caps and are still in Norway so don't know.

Stefan Strandberg (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/stefan-strandberg/profil/spieler_50617.html) - 22 (jul), Rosenborg FK, no caps (21 U21), any good?

Juhani Ojala (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/juhani-ojala/profil/spieler_88257.html) - 22 (jun), Young Boys Bern, 5 caps for Finland, great passer, played little under a year on higher lever (than Finnish league)

Daniel Höegh (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/daniel-hoeegh/profil/spieler_99100.html) - 21 (jan), OB, in danish national squad, no caps yet

Jores Okore (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jores-okore/profil/spieler_129085.html) - 20 (aug), FC Nordsjäelland, in danish national squad, no caps yet, shortest of the bunch with 183 cm

I guess it'd be more expensive to buy someone from Switzerland than Scandinavia, but had to have a finn there as well. I didn't look at the players already in the money leagues.

What do you think about Joel Pohjanpalo? I think he could be gettable and he is highly regarded. From the current crop of young finnish players Teemu Pukki is probably the best one but would probably cost about 4-6 million pounds, if he'd even be willing to move from Schalke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 09:27:17 AM: Ojala looks like a younger meaner Mellberg.
So without having seen him play, sign him up.

Pukki used to play for a team called Koo TeePee. Are they in the Jawa league?
His record is so so. If we're looking to get a young scandinavian striker I'd look towards John Guidetti.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on December 05, 2012, 12:31:21 PM: id build a delorean time machine, whizz back to 93 and bring back Shearer, Ferdinand, Keane, McGrath, Schmeichel, Kanchelskis and Speed !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 05, 2012, 12:42:28 PM: What about Wesley Sneijder? He's well out of favour with Inter. Potential loan move?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 05, 2012, 12:45:22 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 05, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
What about Wesley Sneijder? He's well out of favour with Inter. Potential loan move?

Dreamland I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on December 05, 2012, 01:36:18 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on December 05, 2012, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on December 05, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
What about Wesley Sneijder? He's well out of favour with Inter. Potential loan move?

Dreamland I think.

Wages £££££££££££££££££
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Richard E on December 05, 2012, 01:39:25 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 05, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
What about Wesley Sneijder? He's well out of favour with Inter. Potential loan move?

He'd never come here, he's a lifelong B-lose supporter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: zlatans bicyclekick on December 05, 2012, 02:34:03 PM: Quote from: spaf on December 05, 2012, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

zlatans bicyclekick you know about these other guys I scouted in ten minutes from Transfermarkt:

Even Hofland (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 23 (born feb), 3 caps for Norway, recovering from ACL rupture, sign him up.

Vegard Forren (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 24 (feb), 5 caps for Norway

These guys play in the backlines of Molde FK, the best team in Tippeligaen and haven't too many caps and are still in Norway so don't know.

Stefan Strandberg (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/stefan-strandberg/profil/spieler_50617.html) - 22 (jul), Rosenborg FK, no caps (21 U21), any good?

Gustav Valsvik (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/gustav-valsvik/profil/spieler_136185.html) - 19 (may), has played a year in Tippeligaen at 19 so must be decent talent, only U19 caps though

Juhani Ojala (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/juhani-ojala/profil/spieler_88257.html) - 22 (jun), Young Boys Bern, 5 caps for Finland, great passer, played little under a year on higher lever (than Finnish league)

Daniel Höegh (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/daniel-hoeegh/profil/spieler_99100.html) - 21 (jan), OB, in danish national squad, no caps yet

Jores Okore (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jores-okore/profil/spieler_129085.html) - 20 (aug), FC Nordsjäelland, in danish national squad, no caps yet, shortest of the bunch with 183 cm

I guess it'd be more expensive to buy someone from Switzerland than Scandinavia, but had to have a finn there as well. I didn't look at the players already in the money leagues.

No, sorry. Only players in the Sweden. Another up and coming central defender is Alexander Milosevic (AIK Stockholm) he is highly rated over here, has had a couple of nasty injuries though. 20-21 yo I think.

At CM we have Oscar Hiljemark (Elfsborg) who will be really good IMO, tipped to sign for PSV in january.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 04:42:07 PM: Where's the guy we used to have on here who was always coming up with exotically named players from Scandinavia and elsewhere who none of us had ever heard of? Has he returned perchance!?

John what's his name...on the tip of my tongue, was it Blackwell?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2012, 05:07:47 PM: Quote from: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
Where's the guy we used to have on here who was always coming up with exotically named players from Scandinavia and elsewhere who none of us had ever heard of? Has he returned perchance!?

John what's his name...on the tip of my tongue, was it Blackwell?

Only the great John Blackwell. He knew of players that haven't even been born yet in Norway and Peru. He was also the champion of Oyvind "Lionel Messi" Leonhardsen, the greatest European player EVER
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2012, 06:03:50 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 05, 2012, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
Where's the guy we used to have on here who was always coming up with exotically named players from Scandinavia and elsewhere who none of us had ever heard of? Has he returned perchance!?

John what's his name...on the tip of my tongue, was it Blackwell?

Only the great John Blackwell. He knew of players that haven't even been born yet in Norway and Peru. He was also the champion of Oyvind "Lionel Messi" Leonhardsen, the greatest European player EVER
I wish the dissection of his 'fifty managers better than Martin O'Neill' post could be found again. It was a thing of great beauty.

I do remember that Stale Solbakken, currently trying to relegate Wolves was on there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on December 05, 2012, 08:10:31 PM: Can't we just persuade Chelsea to do a straight swap Bent for Torres? :-) sure it would never happen but it would suit both clubs they need a poacher and we need a striker who can work off Benteke.

Still firmly believe there is a cracking player in Torres, just needs to find himself at the right club
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on December 05, 2012, 08:12:29 PM: Surely It wouldn't be a proper window without being linked with Kim Kallstrom
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 08:23:56 PM: Quote from: Gareth on December 05, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Can't we just persuade Chelsea to do a straight swap Bent for Torres? :-) sure it would never happen but it would suit both clubs they need a poacher and we need a striker who can work off Benteke.

Still firmly believe there is a cracking player in Torres, just needs to find himself at the right club

No doubt about it but there's more chance of Lord Lucan riding Shergar in the National next spring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on December 05, 2012, 08:28:33 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Gareth on December 05, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Can't we just persuade Chelsea to do a straight swap Bent for Torres? :-) sure it would never happen but it would suit both clubs they need a poacher and we need a striker who can work off Benteke.

Still firmly believe there is a cracking player in Torres, just needs to find himself at the right club

No doubt about it but there's more chance of Lord Lucan riding Shergar in the National next spring.

Totally agree but if we're having Wesley S from Inter we might as well have Torres too :-)

Any idea of Shergars odds?? Might have a pound each way
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM: I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 09:17:07 PM: Quote from: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.

Have the bindippers got another Henderson then apart from Jordan? I'd almost rather have Reo-Coker and that is about as insulting as it can get in my book...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2012, 10:14:03 PM: Quote from: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.

Have the bindippers got another Henderson then apart from Jordan? I'd almost rather have Reo-Coker and that is about as insulting as it can get in my book...

He was good to great for sunderland and has hardly played for Liverpool. No doubt he's been a flop but he was a good player.

You'd hope that Sinclair and Henderson would both be busting a gut to prove themselves again too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on December 05, 2012, 10:16:45 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.

Have the bindippers got another Henderson then apart from Jordan? I'd almost rather have Reo-Coker and that is about as insulting as it can get in my book...

He was good to great for sunderland and has hardly played for Liverpool. No doubt he's been a flop but he was a good player.

You'd hope that Sinclair and Henderson would both be busting a gut to prove themselves again too.

I agree about Henderson there is a decent player in there he isnt worth the £15m Liverpool payed for him but could do a good job for us IMO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2012, 11:47:27 PM: Quote from: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.

Sinclair on loan for the rest of the season would be a good move in January. We need another wide option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 05, 2012, 11:48:25 PM: Quote from: richard moore on December 05, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on December 05, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I'd get in Henderson from Liverpool, Riise from Fulham and Sinclair from Man City, either loans or permanent.

Have the bindippers got another Henderson then apart from Jordan? I'd almost rather have Reo-Coker and that is about as insulting as it can get in my book...

The only thing I'd consider getting Henderson in for would be if we needed a new pot man for the Holte Suite, or maybe a new groundsman.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 11:48:52 PM: Henderson is a goose necked gobshite. We have better already and more promising coming through. I'd be disgusted if we signed him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2012, 01:50:15 AM: Goose-necked gobshite...gotta be a chance to use that on someone. Fantastic!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 06, 2012, 06:57:27 AM: Sinclair is a good call. Would add pace and a good goal threat from wide.

I can see Henderson being offered in some kind of makeweight for Bent. Maybe him and 6-7 million for him. Not that we will accept, I can just see it being offered.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 06, 2012, 08:06:03 AM: Riise and Sinclair both good shouts. Latter would only be a loan though, I imagine.

Not Henderson, clearly lacks drive and bet he's on big wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM: We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 06, 2012, 08:45:31 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha.
I'm all for that, so we can sing
'Knowing me, knowing you ZAHA'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 06, 2012, 09:00:48 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 06, 2012, 08:45:31 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha.
I'm all for that, so we can sing
'Knowing me, knowing you ZAHA'

Would be nice, but, I doubt if Holloway would sell to us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 06, 2012, 09:03:58 AM: Quote from: Gareth on December 05, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
Can't we just persuade Chelsea to do a straight swap Bent for Torres? :-) sure it would never happen but it would suit both clubs they need a poacher and we need a striker who can work off Benteke.

Still firmly believe there is a cracking player in Torres, just needs to find himself at the right club
Mentioned that on another forum and got slated by a few.
I totally agree, though, he just needs to 'find himself' again
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 09:18:42 AM: If he left Chelsea he'd find himself back in Spain.
I'd love him here but it's just not at all likely and I'm a hopeless optimist.

Even if we could afford it (he's probably on 150k per week or more and would cost upwards of £20m) I think the MO is develop our own superstars now. Which I'm in favour of.
What we need to do is go and find the next Torres, who is maybe 20-21 now. Then use whatever financial muscle we have to make it happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on December 06, 2012, 09:28:25 AM: This speculation thread has lost its lustre, since PL is not allowed to pay the wages required by any of the players that any of us has actually heard of. Loans: OK. Signings: look down the leagues or overseas for players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 09:41:45 AM: Well, I dont see why he couldn't pay relatively big wages to a player if it was required but I just don't think he wants to.
And I'm not too bothered if I haven't heard of a player. Unless you're an absolute authority on world football there's bound to be loads of players coming through that you haven't heard of. I also think it's more interesting.
There was a certain mystique and intrigue around Benteke for instance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 06, 2012, 10:18:45 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.

Doubt we would get either in the January window, yet both would be good targets for the summer. Sinclair on loan would be a good stop-gap from January until the end of the season. I can't say I have seen a lot of them, but from what I have seen, Ince looks more of a goal threat (likes to cut in from the right and shoot with his left foot) than Zaha, but Zaha looks stronger and more direct.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 10:59:48 AM: Why couldn't we get either of them in January?

We'll probably have a bit of money to spend and represent a big step up.
Money talks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 06, 2012, 11:07:09 AM: Don't think a player can be registered for three teams in one season. So that counts out Sinclair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spaf on December 06, 2012, 12:07:14 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on December 05, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: spaf on December 05, 2012, 09:17:16 AM
Quote from: zlatans bicyclekick on December 04, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 04, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
Who are the latest viking lunatics who would rather cough up their own ribcages than let goals in? Find us one of these gentlemen.

I'm pretty sure you are looking for Pontus Jansson (Malmö FF). 21 years old (I think?) CB, tall, strong and has a bit of Martin Laursen about him. Made his debut in the full national side in the Zlatan vs England game. He played something like the last 10 mins or so. Wont probably come cheap, but not overly expensive either. My guess around 2,5-3 m£.

zlatans bicyclekick you know about these other guys I scouted in ten minutes from Transfermarkt:

Even Hofland (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 23 (born feb), 3 caps for Norway, recovering from ACL rupture, sign him up.

Vegard Forren (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/even-hovland/profil/spieler_41875.html) - 24 (feb), 5 caps for Norway

These guys play in the backlines of Molde FK, the best team in Tippeligaen and haven't too many caps and are still in Norway so don't know.

Stefan Strandberg (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/stefan-strandberg/profil/spieler_50617.html) - 22 (jul), Rosenborg FK, no caps (21 U21), any good?

Juhani Ojala (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/juhani-ojala/profil/spieler_88257.html) - 22 (jun), Young Boys Bern, 5 caps for Finland, great passer, played little under a year on higher lever (than Finnish league)

Daniel Höegh (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/daniel-hoeegh/profil/spieler_99100.html) - 21 (jan), OB, in danish national squad, no caps yet

Jores Okore (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jores-okore/profil/spieler_129085.html) - 20 (aug), FC Nordsjäelland, in danish national squad, no caps yet, shortest of the bunch with 183 cm

I guess it'd be more expensive to buy someone from Switzerland than Scandinavia, but had to have a finn there as well. I didn't look at the players already in the money leagues.

What do you think about Joel Pohjanpalo? I think he could be gettable and he is highly regarded. From the current crop of young finnish players Teemu Pukki is probably the best one but would probably cost about 4-6 million pounds, if he'd even be willing to move from Schalke.

Pohjanpalo (18 yrs, born sept)will play at a decent level depending on how he can fulfill his undoubted promise. He sees the game well and contributes to play also outside of the box. Pohjanpalo's a cultured forward who feels the best role for him is the one Robbie Keane played for Villa. He's certainly got what it takes but I haven't seen enough (few matches in the league and some U21s) of him to have a definite opinion on his best position. Pohjanpalo can finish with both feet and head.

He would have scored most likely even more last season (11 in 29 in the league / 19 in 43 in all positions) if he hadn't played with minor instep injury that requires surgery now and forces him to the sidelines for two to three months. Well, now he can build strength in the mid section, Forssell can help him with that.

For the national team's and his own sake I hope he first goes to Netherlands or lower level team in the Bundesliga where he'd get full games at a higher level for a season or two. Wouldn't mind him at Villa either, though. I believe he could also play the Weimann role after a season or half on a higher level than Finnish league.

Liverpool offered him a contract before last season, but as a smart lad he'd rather fight for a playing spot in HJK Helsinki and a chance to play men's matches instead of most likely youth games in Liverpool. He has a good head on his young shoulders. Lure of big league academies often proves to be irresistible for Finnish youngsters.

Quote from: Mazrim on December 05, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
Ojala looks like a younger meaner Mellberg.
So without having seen him play, sign him up.

Pukki used to play for a team called Koo TeePee. Are they in the Jawa league?
His record is so so. If we're looking to get a young scandinavian striker I'd look towards John Guidetti.
Ojala's playing style is more like young Hyypiä's, a few years in Young Boys will work wonders for him. I don't want to get too excited about him yet. He's only just become a starter for Young Boys and the national team. He's a great passer of the ball, but as he's young he's also prone to mistakes. As Yoda most likely would say about him: a very good player can he be.

KooTeePee used to be KTP, The Worker's Ballplayers of Kotka, now many disparagingly refer to them as the vowels.

Pukki's like Jermain Defoe although not as good as him (yet :) ). Guidetti would probably suit Villa better.

edit. fixing me language
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 06, 2012, 12:12:20 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 10:59:48 AM
Why couldn't we get either of them in January?

We'll probably have a bit of money to spend and represent a big step up.
Money talks.

Depends on how much money is available in January Maz, but they would both cost a fairly hefty fee (some papers have quoted £20m for Zaha) and I think central midfield (and even further defensive options) should be a priority for a permanent signing. I agree we need another wide option, but I am hopeful that N'Zogbia will start producing and help us out in that area. Agree with the last bit though and think we would be a good move for either of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 12:27:55 PM: £20m for Zaha? I think he'd have to play more than a few games in the top flight before commanding that sort of fee.
I wouldn't pay anything like half that and I daresay nobody else would either.

However, if we are quoted that sort of price or anything like it for those sort of players then we just go abroad and get value.
I've no problem with that. It could only be a couple of years before Graham and Grealish come of age so there's no point breaking the bank for Zaha before he's proven anything.
The whole point of shopping in the lower leagues is that it represents value if you're brave enough to speculate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 06, 2012, 01:31:27 PM: Sincalir's not actually very good. He's had one good season at Swansea. Prior to Swansea he's had around 10 different clubs.

Henderson's garbage. See Steve Sidwell. I'd rather have Downing back, and thats an insult.

There's a rumour doing the rounds, that Scott Parker could be available on loan.

What about Tim Cahill and Emmanuel Frimpong? Cahill on loan, and Frimpong on a permant deal.

After watching quite a bit of Ligue 1 football on ESPN, I really like the look of Arnold Muvemba, of Lyon. Defensive midfielder from Congo. He looks a biger mold of Makoun.

I'd really like Makoun back too. His passing game under Lambert could be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bob on December 06, 2012, 01:49:30 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 06, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Sincalir's not actually very good. He's had one good season at Swansea. Prior to Swansea he's had around 10 different clubs.

Two.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on December 06, 2012, 01:58:53 PM: Guess who's looking at Stephen Warnock:

http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/2012/12/06/sunderland-to-rival-bolton-for-warnock.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2012, 01:59:47 PM: Yeah, I can't see what the fuss is about with Sinclair either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 06, 2012, 02:20:03 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
£20m for Zaha? I think he'd have to play more than a few games in the top flight before commanding that sort of fee.
I wouldn't pay anything like half that and I daresay nobody else would either.

However, if we are quoted that sort of price or anything like it for those sort of players then we just go abroad and get value.
I've no problem with that. It could only be a couple of years before Graham and Grealish come of age so there's no point breaking the bank for Zaha before he's proven anything.
The whole point of shopping in the lower leagues is that it represents value if you're brave enough to speculate.

I think the £20m pricetag was mentioned in one of the tabloids Maz so is invariably way off the mark. I rate both Zaha and Ince and I'm sure they will both be Premiership players by next season, biut if I was to choose one for us then I'd go for Ince as he scores more goals. I don't see much of the Blues, but Nathan Redmond has looked good on the few occasions I saw him play last season, but I'm not sure how he is doing this season.

I agree with you about the lower leagues and you only have to look at Lowton and Westwood to see that the quality is there if you are willing to look hard enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 06, 2012, 04:17:10 PM: Quote from: not3bad on December 06, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Guess who's looking at Stephen Warnock:

http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/2012/12/06/sunderland-to-rival-bolton-for-warnock.html

Only MON would pay £2m for a player that will be out of contract in 6 months' time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 06, 2012, 04:34:09 PM: Quote from: OCD on December 06, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: not3bad on December 06, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Guess who's looking at Stephen Warnock:

http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/2012/12/06/sunderland-to-rival-bolton-for-warnock.html

Yes, though he'll probably settle for £3m though;-)

Only MON would pay £2m for a player that will be out of contract in 6 months' time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2012, 04:48:13 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
Yeah, I can't see what the fuss is about with Sinclair either.
nor can I.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM: Zaha would cost a bomb. The ox and theo were both double digits weren't they? And zaha has done more than they had. Can't see this one happening

Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

A right footed, dependable centre back, a left back, a central midfielder with energy and strength and someone who can play up front, off the striker or wide with a good scoring record would be ideal.

Only doable I we sell bent and invest some I think. There must be some players on cash strapped Spanish clubs we could bring in you'd have thought
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 07:35:37 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

Skill, in abundance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 06, 2012, 07:40:32 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

Skill, in abundance.

A pub team player can have skill in abundance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 07:58:03 PM: Others will have seen more of him. But he looks a bit one paced to me. Not sure what his outstanding attribute as a winger would be. Hopefully I'm wrong. Though I seem to recall Mazrim rating quite a few of our youngsters as outstanding, who haven't really ripped up any trees . .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on December 06, 2012, 08:11:02 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Zaha would cost a bomb. The ox and theo were both double digits weren't they? And zaha has done more than they had. Can't see this one happening

Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

A right footed, dependable centre back, a left back, a central midfielder with energy and strength and someone who can play up front, off the striker or wide with a good scoring record would be ideal.

Only doable I we sell bent and invest some I think. There must be some players on cash strapped Spanish clubs we could bring in you'd have thought

Agree, Theo was 12 mill 6 years ago and Chamberlain 15 mill, so I'd imagine Ince and Zaha would command in excess of this. I think they and Phillips are out of our range now, they have had too much exposure, we will be looking at the next level down imo, i.e. players we have never heard of, like Bowery, Westwood, Lowton etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 06, 2012, 09:12:43 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
Yeah, I can't see what the fuss is about with Sinclair either.

me neither . conference walcott
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 06, 2012, 09:17:45 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 06, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
Yeah, I can't see what the fuss is about with Sinclair either.

me neither . conference walcott

cant remember him playing?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 06, 2012, 09:30:16 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

Skill, in abundance.

If we're talking of our next young winger I reckon Courtney Cameron is in with a shout.
Has gone on loan to Rotherham, went on their forum site to see how he was getting on after a couple of games and they were raving about him.
Grealish just seems to beat players and you don't know how he's done it. Only seen some of his Next Gen games and he always seemed to do well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on December 06, 2012, 09:38:12 PM: Quote from: peter w on December 06, 2012, 07:40:32 PM

A pub team player can have skill in abundance.

What ? ..... Even Curtis Davies ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2012, 09:52:57 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.

Zaha would be perfect for us, can play anywhere across the front three we play and he's shit hot.

Sell Bent and catch that rising star.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on December 06, 2012, 10:23:49 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.

Zaha would be perfect for us, can play anywhere across the front three we play and he's shit hot.

Sell Bent and catch that rising star.
Right on the money that is. Good call.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2012, 10:52:55 PM: Quote from: peter w on December 06, 2012, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 06:18:14 PM
Incidentally, from what I've seen graham looks much more likely to make it than grealish. Not sure what grealish really has to trouble top players tbh.

Skill, in abundance.

A pub team player can have skill in abundance.

That's very kind of you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2012, 11:19:09 PM: Holloway had only been in the job five minutes when he started talking about Zaha's future development and looking after his best interests and deciding when and where he should go etc. You know, all the bollocks he said about Adam before he failed at Liverpool and ended up at Stoke. The half-arsed club comments won't be far behind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2012, 10:19:47 AM: I wonder if Arshavin would be a decent addition for a few months on loan. I think he'd fit in well on the left hand side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 07, 2012, 11:00:27 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 07, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
I wonder if Arshavin would be a decent addition for a few months on loan. I think he'd fit in well on the left hand side.

Good player but I'd rather buy him than take him on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2012, 11:02:07 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 07, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
I wonder if Arshavin would be a decent addition for a few months on loan. I think he'd fit in well on the left hand side.

Great going forward but his work rate is less than Bent's when he doesn't have the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2012, 11:05:18 AM: Quote from: Bren'd on December 07, 2012, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 07, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
I wonder if Arshavin would be a decent addition for a few months on loan. I think he'd fit in well on the left hand side.

Great going forward but his work rate is less than Bent's when he doesn't have the ball.

Plus his wages may be a little steep. Just a suggestion though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM: Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 07, 2012, 11:35:26 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on December 06, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
Others will have seen more of him. But he looks a bit one paced to me. Not sure what his outstanding attribute as a winger would be. Hopefully I'm wrong. Though I seem to recall Mazrim rating quite a few of our youngsters as outstanding, who haven't really ripped up any trees . .

Maybe I should just write all our youngsters off and play it safe eh Matt? Of our wingers I only rated Albrighton highly and he is disappointing now for whatever reason but did make a big splash when he came through obviously as he was young player of the season. He may find his form again, he may not. Who else did I rate highly? Clark, our current starting centre half? Gardner, who has had wretched luck and not much chance yet? Siegrist who will be a top keeper. Johnson and Carruthers who are still waiting for their chance? Delfouneso might flop, I'll take that one on the chin. Anybody else?

What does your crystal ball say?

Grealish one paced? Not really. He's not lightning quick but he can certainly beat a man and he scores and makes goals.
His outstanding attribute is skill on the the ball. He's tricky and clever with good close control. The sort of player this country isn't really producing any more. And I'm pretty sure he's better than a pub player.
We'll see if he makes it. He's highly rated and playing well so has every chance. Likewise Graham who I'd rate slightly ahead of Grealsih at the moment. He could be exceptional.

The point was I'd rather wait and see how they develop than break the bank for Zaha. But if Zaha is affordable, great.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 07, 2012, 11:55:32 AM: I like the look of Zaha,but for a player without any top flight experience I'm sure hell cost too much.Less than whatever Chelsea paid for Moses would be a fair price.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2012, 12:28:21 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.

Zaha would be perfect for us, can play anywhere across the front three we play and he's shit hot.

Sell Bent and catch that rising star.

That could also be said of Daniel Sturridge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on December 07, 2012, 12:35:18 PM: Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?
The colours are the same so he would not be confused?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 12:50:43 PM: Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?

Pay rise ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2012, 12:52:31 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 07, 2012, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 06, 2012, 08:43:42 AM
We're better off going for somebody like Zaha or Ince (or both) than Sinclair. Somebody we can keep for instance.
Most likely there will be fellows from the continent we've been looking at though.

Zaha would be perfect for us, can play anywhere across the front three we play and he's shit hot.

Sell Bent and catch that rising star.

That could also be said of Daniel Sturridge.

Except Sturridge has not played consistenly since his six months at Bolton, and hardly at all before or since. Zaha has played week in, week out for the last couple of seasons.

It makes a big difference in my book.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2012, 12:53:11 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?

Pay rise ?

Because this is Aston Villa not poxy Wham!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 01:54:22 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on December 07, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 07, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Diame at WHU apparantly has a 3.5mil release clause ..be a bargain at that price

Why would he come here?

Pay rise ?

Ha!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on December 07, 2012, 02:49:59 PM: OUT:
Dunne, Bent Ireland
IN:
Goal scoring machine Charlie Austin of Burnley
Liam Trotter of Milwall
Ivan Runje Croatian central defender plays in Denmark
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM: No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 07, 2012, 05:46:10 PM: I think Sturridge would actually be really well suited to the current Gabby/Weimann role. He'll end up at Liverpool though I suspect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on December 07, 2012, 06:15:07 PM: He wants assurances that he will play centrally from Liverpool, so I can't see him coming here to play out wide.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on December 07, 2012, 06:24:27 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 07, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
OUT:
Dunne, Bent Ireland
IN:
Goal scoring machine Charlie Austin of Burnley
Liam Trotter of Milwall
Ivan Runje Croatian central defender plays in Denmark

Dunne - Wages an issue, experienced though, could potentially do a job, especially with our current injuries.
Bent - looks like it's heading that way
Ireland - No - looked lively and I can't see why he isn't starting ahead of Bannan currently.

I don't have an issue with bringing in promising youth talent obviously, I just don't think it should be our priority. How much would it cost to get Austin from Burnely? They'd probably want near 10m, without PL experience. The other two I can't say I've seen enough of to form an opinion either way. What I am saying though is that we need to be looking to bring in players with more experience, we already have a few promising young lads.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 07, 2012, 06:36:15 PM: Seen a few like Charlie Austin in the past. Older forum members will recall Derek Hales. Looked like a pirate. Vicious finisher for Charlton in
the second div(now the Championship) moved to Derby in the top Div ans stopped scoring.

Same with Jermaine Beckford in more recent times.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2012, 06:40:32 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 07, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 07, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
OUT:
Dunne, Bent Ireland
IN:
Goal scoring machine Charlie Austin of Burnley
Liam Trotter of Milwall
Ivan Runje Croatian central defender plays in Denmark

Dunne - Wages an issue, experienced though, could potentially do a job, especially with our current injuries.
Bent - looks like it's heading that way
Ireland - No - looked lively and I can't see why he isn't starting ahead of Bannan currently.

I don't have an issue with bringing in promising youth talent obviously, I just don't think it should be our priority. How much would it cost to get Austin from Burnely? They'd probably want near 10m, without PL experience. The other two I can't say I've seen enough of to form an opinion either way. What I am saying though is that we need to be looking to bring in players with more experience, we already have a few promising young lads.

I agree that Austin would be expensive, but he could be a decent back up for Benteke if the price was right. Offering the Fonz in a swap deal could be an option. It would still be a gamble though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2012, 10:06:33 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 07, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Seen a few like Charlie Austin in the past. Older forum members will recall Derek Hales. Looked like a pirate. Vicious finisher for Charlton in
the second div(now the Championship) moved to Derby in the top Div ans stopped scoring.

Same with Jermaine Beckford in more recent times.
Beckford's one season in the Premier League, he scored more than we seem to expect Gabby to manage because he runs around a lot.

Austin, when he plays in the Premier League could collapse. Or he could be a Darren Bent, Robbie Keane, Dion Dublin, Yakubu or Kevin Phillips. Sometime players do adapt. Sometimes they don't.

I'm not sure that most of us have seen enough of him to judge one way or the other.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 07, 2012, 11:07:37 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 07, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on December 07, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Seen a few like Charlie Austin in the past. Older forum members will recall Derek Hales. Looked like a pirate. Vicious finisher for Charlton in
the second div(now the Championship) moved to Derby in the top Div ans stopped scoring.

Same with Jermaine Beckford in more recent times.
Beckford's one season in the Premier League, he scored more than we seem to expect Gabby to manage because he runs around a lot.

Austin, when he plays in the Premier League could collapse. Or he could be a Darren Bent, Robbie Keane, Dion Dublin, Yakubu or Kevin Phillips. Sometime players do adapt. Sometimes they don't.

I'm not sure that most of us have seen enough of him to judge one way or the other.

It is a shame that there is not the ability to put a deal in place to loan him for say 750k for 6 months, with a fee agreed, so you could test him out in the premier league. Maybe with a player going there for 6 months too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2012, 11:39:48 PM: I'm sure there's the ability, it's just not something Burnley are likely to want to do. Instead we just need the manager and staff to recognise whether a player would be able to adapt or not. I think we do and signing Benteke was a sign that he can do just that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 08, 2012, 12:14:20 AM: I'd sign Trotter & Austin - for the right place. However their clubs will want a fortune (especially in regards to Austin), so forget it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on December 08, 2012, 11:48:56 AM: Don't let him do it. Robbie our player!!

'ARRY KEANE ON AGEING FORWARD
QPR have struggled this season due to the presence of a squad bloated by 30plus, over-the-hill, half-decent-a-few-years-ago international players that seemingly lack the edge to achieve but receive nice high wages for doing so.

Harry Redknapp is addressing this issue by looking to sign 32-year-old international striker Robbie Keane, currently plying his trade at LA Galaxy, in addition to having 30-year-old international defender Tal Ben Haim on trial.

"I haven't spoken to him [Keane] yet but he would be an interesting player. He's a good pro and he would be the ideal type to have around for sure because he would give us something," Harry is quoted as saying in pretty much every paper this morning.

Two salient points:
1. "Interesting player" is presumably the new "top player"
2. Keane could become the 20th player aged 30 or over contracted to QPR. Jeez.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on December 08, 2012, 11:51:02 AM: Dean Cox of Leyton Orient. Classic fast speedy winger like Mickey Wright of old..we need someone to feed Benteke and Gabby..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 08, 2012, 01:57:36 PM: Has Redknapp ever ruled anybody out, ever?

"Yeeeuuuuurrrghhhh, Pol Pots a gud playah. He's been a bit nawt ee bat nobody's purfick."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 01:18:36 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

I do hope Austin goes somewhere and is a brilliant you know. Just to bring this back up. By this assessment, most of the players we signed in the summer were not worth signing. Yeah a couple of older heads would be useful of course, but only if they are better than what we have and will improve the team. Choice between a younger player who you believe will have the ability to become very good and an older player of similar standard with little room for improvement for a bigger wage and cost and I would go for the younger player. We have signed "experienced" players for a long time, and lets face it, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Hutton, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Heskey etc have not exactly been roaring successes. Experience is needed, but at the right price, and have to justify their place in the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 09, 2012, 01:21:23 PM: I understand the idea of signing young prospects and some of ours have done really well. However we need to sign players who have the best chance of coming in and making an immediate impact now to supplement those youngsters. So quality experience gives us the best chance of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2012, 01:24:26 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

I do hope Austin goes somewhere and is a brilliant you know. Just to bring this back up. By this assessment, most of the players we signed in the summer were not worth signing. Yeah a couple of older heads would be useful of course, but only if they are better than what we have and will improve the team. Choice between a younger player who you believe will have the ability to become very good and an older player of similar standard with little room for improvement for a bigger wage and cost and I would go for the younger player. We have signed "experienced" players for a long time, and lets face it, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Hutton, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Heskey etc have not exactly been roaring successes. Experience is needed, but at the right price, and have to justify their place in the side.

I'm well aware of the value (and cost cutting side) of bringing younger players in, but there is a distinct danger of overdoing it.
We need an experienced quality midfielder to help out Westwood, an older head in the forward line and defence wouldn't hurt either.
Fingers crossed that the Sleeping Yank will provide the necessary for Lambert.

Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Hutton, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Heskey that you mentioned were all signed by O'Hasbeen, I would trust Lambert to have more transfer market nous and possibly look at Europe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 09, 2012, 01:28:41 PM: I quite like the 3-5-2, so if we signed any wide players, they need to be defensively efficient.

Think we still require one more experienced CB to replace Dunne (or Done). A creative midfielder has to be the first order of business, someone capable of picking a killer pass and bursting into the area.

A quality front man to play off Benteke. We need a footballing forward who's able to link play when required, and also with the nous to read the big mans flick ons. I love Eke, and he's a real touch of class but his finishing is to erratic to be a 20 goal a year man. If we could find a younger Robbie Keane, it'd be ideal, but Keano on a temp basis would work for the time being.

I think we've found something in the back line, and indeed with the Bannan and Westwood combo. In terms of the team yesterday, I think there's a place for a quality signing where Gabby and Holman were playing. Possibly where Lichaj is playing, but we've two left backs on the books, and also CNZ, Delph, maybe Williams who might offer enough as a wing back that side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 09, 2012, 01:48:35 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on December 08, 2012, 11:51:02 AM
Dean Cox of Leyton Orient. Classic fast speedy winger like Mickey Wright of old..we need someone to feed Benteke and Gabby..

Mickey Wright? Do you mean Mick Wright our right back in the late sixties Brian?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 09, 2012, 01:54:58 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 07, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on December 07, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Seen a few like Charlie Austin in the past. Older forum members will recall Derek Hales. Looked like a pirate. Vicious finisher for Charlton in
the second div(now the Championship) moved to Derby in the top Div ans stopped scoring.

Same with Jermaine Beckford in more recent times.
Beckford's one season in the Premier League, he scored more than we seem to expect Gabby to manage because he runs around a lot.

Austin, when he plays in the Premier League could collapse. Or he could be a Darren Bent, Robbie Keane, Dion Dublin, Yakubu or Kevin Phillips. Sometime players do adapt. Sometimes they don't.

I'm not sure that most of us have seen enough of him to judge one way or the other.

I dont expect Agbonlahor to score at all but thats just my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 09, 2012, 02:23:59 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

I do hope Austin goes somewhere and is a brilliant you know. Just to bring this back up. By this assessment, most of the players we signed in the summer were not worth signing. Yeah a couple of older heads would be useful of course, but only if they are better than what we have and will improve the team. Choice between a younger player who you believe will have the ability to become very good and an older player of similar standard with little room for improvement for a bigger wage and cost and I would go for the younger player. We have signed "experienced" players for a long time, and lets face it, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Hutton, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Heskey etc have not exactly been roaring successes. Experience is needed, but at the right price, and have to justify their place in the side.

I'm well aware of the value (and cost cutting side) of bringing younger players in, but there is a distinct danger of overdoing it.
We need an experienced quality midfielder to help out Westwood, an older head in the forward line and defence wouldn't hurt either.
Fingers crossed that the Sleeping Yank will provide the necessary for Lambert.

Spot on Fletch, we've gone from one extreme to the other.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 02:55:25 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

I do hope Austin goes somewhere and is a brilliant you know. Just to bring this back up. By this assessment, most of the players we signed in the summer were not worth signing. Yeah a couple of older heads would be useful of course, but only if they are better than what we have and will improve the team. Choice between a younger player who you believe will have the ability to become very good and an older player of similar standard with little room for improvement for a bigger wage and cost and I would go for the younger player. We have signed "experienced" players for a long time, and lets face it, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Hutton, Sidwell, Reo Coker, Heskey etc have not exactly been roaring successes. Experience is needed, but at the right price, and have to justify their place in the side.

I'm well aware of the value (and cost cutting side) of bringing younger players in, but there is a distinct danger of overdoing it.
We need an experienced quality midfielder to help out Westwood, an older head in the forward line and defence wouldn't hurt either.
Fingers crossed that the Sleeping Yank will provide the necessary for Lambert.

Evidence of him currently sleeping? Far too easy a throw away line, considering his private jet was pinging about Europe in the summer, bringing in a promising manager and 9 players? What does a non sleeping yank get up too?

The forward line I am not concerned with an older head at all to be honest. Gabby is an older head, as is Bent, and Ireland, and Holman. None are pulling up trees. A 21 year old forward that is as talented as Benteke would do me any day of the week.

In midfield, I would love an older head, Petrov esque, but Westwood and Bannan are doing very well. At the back Vlaar is an older head, Guzan is 28 so not really a youngster too. Clark and Lowton have played a fair amount of games in their careers too. And there is Dunne to come back possibly. For me, yes get experience if we can in a couple of positions, but not for the sake of it if not better than what we have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM: I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2012, 03:04:34 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 02:55:25 PM

Evidence of him currently sleeping? Far too easy a throw away line, considering his private jet was pinging about Europe in the summer, bringing in a promising manager and 9 players? What does a non sleeping yank get up too?

Considering the way the club has been run over the last few years, i'd say he's been doing a passable impersonation of an extra from 'The Walking Dead'
His stewardship of the club has been poor, Villa tattoo on his ankle or not.

The 9 players you mention will hopefully come good, but let's not pretend that the current approach to transfers isn't fuelled by austerity rather than a football philosophy.

We'll see in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 09, 2012, 03:14:34 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

Totally agree re inspiration.

And we could have spent the fairly sizeable 25 million in many ways, Lambert came from Norwich convinced that he could improve us. I think the money was spent how he wanted to spend it. In line with a sensible wage budget yes, but I fail to see how he was sleeping last summer. Sure, the appointment of McLeish and the money given to MON on wages bash away, but sometimes a slightly more balanced view of a situation is closer to the truth than banging on the same drum without acknowledging both sides.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 09, 2012, 03:33:44 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 08, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
Has Redknapp ever ruled anybody out, ever?

"Yeeeuuuuurrrghhhh, Pol Pots a gud playah. He's been a bit nawt ee bat nobody's purfick."

Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

We signed 'experienced' players last season, and I wouldn't swap one of them for the players we bought this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2012, 03:44:03 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 09, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 08, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
Has Redknapp ever ruled anybody out, ever?

"Yeeeuuuuurrrghhhh, Pol Pots a gud playah. He's been a bit nawt ee bat nobody's purfick."

Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

We signed 'experienced' players last season, and I wouldn't swap one of them for the players we bought this season.

I know what you mean, but whilst the kids have done well, if there is one thing missing, it is that bit of experience, it'd improve us immensely.

What we really need, of course, is Stan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 03:51:33 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

Agree with that Monty. Bannan and Westwood are quite similar in many ways and don't offer much variation in central midfield at the moment (although they are both doing fine). What we could really do is one of them playing alongside someone a little more dynamic who can really drive forward, carry the ball past players and get shots off (someone like Andy Townsend when he first came here).

Unfortunately I just can't see Ireland ever becoming the player we would all like him to be and I would also be looking to bring in a player who can play in a more advanced midfield role (Wes Hoolahan would be a decent signing if rumours of him being out of contract in the summer are true).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 09, 2012, 03:52:03 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2012, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 09, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 08, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
Has Redknapp ever ruled anybody out, ever?

"Yeeeuuuuurrrghhhh, Pol Pots a gud playah. He's been a bit nawt ee bat nobody's purfick."

Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

We signed 'experienced' players last season, and I wouldn't swap one of them for the players we bought this season.

I know what you mean, but whilst the kids have done well, if there is one thing missing, it is that bit of experience, it'd improve us immensely.

What we really need, of course, is Stan.
I'd agree that it's inspiration rather than experience that we need. I thought Ireland would add that yesterday when he came on; but he was insipid.
Those who watched Derby-Leeds yesterday reckon Will Hughes was inspiring for Derby: he's 17.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 09, 2012, 04:16:13 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

Agree with that Monty. Bannan and Westwood are quite similar in many ways and don't offer much variation in central midfield at the moment (although they are both doing fine). What we could really do is one of them playing alongside someone a little more dynamic who can really drive forward, carry the ball past players and get shots off (someone like Andy Townsend when he first came here).

Unfortunately I just can't see Ireland ever becoming the player we would all like him to be and I would also be looking to bring in a player who can play in a more advanced midfield role (Wes Hoolahan would be a decent signing if rumours of him being out of contract in the summer are true).

I disagree with the solution. I think we need both of them, they link up well and provide a real base to our play. I think they need someone to complement their partnership, not break it up. I agree about Ireland though, I don't think he's the answer, though I'd keep him as I think he does have something to offer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 09, 2012, 04:23:00 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 09, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 08, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
Has Redknapp ever ruled anybody out, ever?

"Yeeeuuuuurrrghhhh, Pol Pots a gud playah. He's been a bit nawt ee bat nobody's purfick."

Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 07, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
No to Trotter and Austin and haven't got a clue about the other bloke.
Trotter and Austin?
Dross.
We need some experience and quality.

We signed 'experienced' players last season, and I wouldn't swap one of them for the players we bought this season.

Yes, but they were signed by a moron.
I'd trust Lambert to make a better job of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 04:33:39 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

Agree with that Monty. Bannan and Westwood are quite similar in many ways and don't offer much variation in central midfield at the moment (although they are both doing fine). What we could really do is one of them playing alongside someone a little more dynamic who can really drive forward, carry the ball past players and get shots off (someone like Andy Townsend when he first came here).

Unfortunately I just can't see Ireland ever becoming the player we would all like him to be and I would also be looking to bring in a player who can play in a more advanced midfield role (Wes Hoolahan would be a decent signing if rumours of him being out of contract in the summer are true).

I disagree with the solution. I think we need both of them, they link up well and provide a real base to our play. I think they need someone to complement their partnership, not break it up. I agree about Ireland though, I don't think he's the answer, though I'd keep him as I think he does have something to offer.

I take your point Monty. Maybe with better players in front of them and in wide areas providing creativity and a goal threat they would not need to contribute more than they currently do. I would still like to see more of a physical presence in midfield (just watching the West Ham game and someone like Diame would be ideal, though James McCarthy from Wigan would still be my number one option), as we don't really have anyone like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 09, 2012, 04:37:07 PM: We have Herd, who I think is really developing into a potential Parker-like option. However, I'm still not hugely convinced by the physicality question in midfield - if ever we were going to lose a midfield battle on strength alone then yesterday would have been it, and I don't think it really made much difference.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 04:57:50 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

I like that formation Monty and see that West Ham are employing it today against Liverpool. Their line up is:

------ Jaaskelainen ------

Demel Collins Reid O'Brien

------ Noble Diame ------

Taylor Nolan Jarvis

--------- Cole --------

I would say that West Ham will be a mid-table side this season and although we are a way off them at the moment, we have got the potential to be better than them. I would take Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Westwood and Benteke ahead of Jaaskelainen, Demel, Collins, Reid, Noble and Cole (or Carroll for that matter). I would say the LB options for both teams are pretty much even, but where they are ahead of us is they have serviceable wide options in that formation and a goal threat from attacking midfield.

I know that things aren't exactly great and it is a little hard to see at the moment, but with a few decent additions in key areas, we are not far off from being a better side than quite a few of those currently above us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 09, 2012, 05:03:51 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Yes, but they were signed by a moron.
I'd trust Lambert to make a better job of it.
But it's not the sort of signing that Lambert makes. He didn't for Norwich and he hasn't done for us. Highly rated young players from lower-league football with the occasional foreign signing.

It would be like saying 'If O'Neill looked outside the British Isles for signings he'd do well'. He might well, but it's still not something he does.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 09, 2012, 05:12:54 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 09, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Yes, but they were signed by a moron.
I'd trust Lambert to make a better job of it.
But it's not the sort of signing that Lambert makes. He didn't for Norwich and he hasn't done for us. Highly rated young players from lower-league football with the occasional foreign signing.

It would be like saying 'If O'Neill looked outside the British Isles for signings he'd do well'. He might well, but it's still not something he does.

Part of that has to be down to available resources, the size and reputation of the club he was at, and the division he was operating in. Over the course of time, with better backing and playing regularly in the PL you have to think he'll target better players from a variety of markets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 09, 2012, 05:16:45 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

Agree with that Monty. Bannan and Westwood are quite similar in many ways and don't offer much variation in central midfield at the moment (although they are both doing fine). What we could really do is one of them playing alongside someone a little more dynamic who can really drive forward, carry the ball past players and get shots off (someone like Andy Townsend when he first came here).

Unfortunately I just can't see Ireland ever becoming the player we would all like him to be and I would also be looking to bring in a player who can play in a more advanced midfield role (Wes Hoolahan would be a decent signing if rumours of him being out of contract in the summer are true).

I disagree with the solution. I think we need both of them, they link up well and provide a real base to our play. I think they need someone to complement their partnership, not break it up. I agree about Ireland though, I don't think he's the answer, though I'd keep him as I think he does have something to offer.

I take your point Monty. Maybe with better players in front of them and in wide areas providing creativity and a goal threat they would not need to contribute more than they currently do. I would still like to see more of a physical presence in midfield (just watching the West Ham game and someone like Diame would be ideal, though James McCarthy from Wigan would still be my number one option), as we don't really have anyone like that.

Hopefully if he can stay injury free Gary Gardner will end up being this player
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VancouverLion on December 09, 2012, 05:24:52 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 09, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
I don't think it's experience in midfield that's lacking - Westwood looks as if he's been a top flight midfielder for years - it's just a bit of inspiration. If our ideal formation is 4-2-3-1 when Vlaar comes back then middle of the 3 behind the 1 needs to be better than it is now.

I like that formation Monty and see that West Ham are employing it today against Liverpool. Their line up is:

------ Jaaskelainen ------

Demel Collins Reid O'Brien

------ Noble Diame ------

Taylor Nolan Jarvis

--------- Cole --------

I would say that West Ham will be a mid-table side this season and although we are a way off them at the moment, we have got the potential to be better than them. I would take Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Westwood and Benteke ahead of Jaaskelainen, Demel, Collins, Reid, Noble and Cole (or Carroll for that matter). I would say the LB options for both teams are pretty much even, but where they are ahead of us is they have serviceable wide options in that formation and a goal threat from attacking midfield.

I know that things aren't exactly great and it is a little hard to see at the moment, but with a few decent additions in key areas, we are not far off from being a better side than quite a few of those currently above us.

We badly need a Diame type of player in the middle of the park to drive them on, cracking signing for west ham he was
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on December 09, 2012, 05:31:43 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 09, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Yes, but they were signed by a moron.
I'd trust Lambert to make a better job of it.
But it's not the sort of signing that Lambert makes. He didn't for Norwich and he hasn't done for us. Highly rated young players from lower-league football with the occasional foreign signing.

It would be like saying 'If O'Neill looked outside the British Isles for signings he'd do well'. He might well, but it's still not something he does.

The difference is that O'Neill had one way of working that he has used for the last 20 years at a variety of big clubs. Lambert has had one season in the Premier League, so hopefully he's aware that dogmatically sticking to one approach isn't the way to go about it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 09, 2012, 05:33:12 PM: Diame has impressed me. Would love to see him at Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 09, 2012, 05:48:58 PM: West ham gone to pieces since he went off injured
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 09, 2012, 06:48:07 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on December 09, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Diame has impressed me. Would love to see him at Villa.

I was thinking the same thing. Presence, power and and good feet ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2012, 07:22:04 PM: as said before, if we playing 4231 (which I believe is our best shape with the current squad) we have a clear weak point in the 3.

The most recent selection there is gabby, holman, weimann -

All 3 are decent but none of them are going to beat a man for skill and fire one into the top corner from 25 yards and neither of weimann or gabby can get round the outside and deliver with pace and accuracy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 09, 2012, 07:27:15 PM: James McCarthy looks a really tidy player. Wigan would probably want £10m for him now so the right strategy is to identify these guys young.

As far as youth vs experience, the likes of Westwood, Lowton, McCarthy etc are all examples of players who have gotten experience playing men's football from their teens onwards. They get that because they have talent and then get the experience they need. The counter argument might be that its not Premier League experience but the likes of Lowton and Westwood haven't taken long to adapt. They are still hungry, ambitious players who we can get relatively cheaply and will have a re-sale value whenever the time comes for them to move on. Compare that to the likes of players we were previously signing - the types we had to pay a premium for, excessive wages for (because it was probably their last big contract), that didn't really seem bothered, didn't want to adapt their games to another style and end up running down their contracts or lose all their re-sale value.

In all honesty, all that matters is whether the player is any good or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2012, 07:28:29 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on December 09, 2012, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 09, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 09, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Yes, but they were signed by a moron.
I'd trust Lambert to make a better job of it.
But it's not the sort of signing that Lambert makes. He didn't for Norwich and he hasn't done for us. Highly rated young players from lower-league football with the occasional foreign signing.

It would be like saying 'If O'Neill looked outside the British Isles for signings he'd do well'. He might well, but it's still not something he does.

The difference is that O'Neill had one way of working that he has used for the last 20 years at a variety of big clubs. Lambert has had one season in the Premier League, so hopefully he's aware that dogmatically sticking to one approach isn't the way to go about it.

Regarding what Lambert "does", there's also an entirely different dynamic with a big club on its arse, struggling to stay up, and a promoted, smaller club which has been promoted and is trying to stay up. One has positive energy to harness, one negative to fight against.

I suspect the young and hungry players would find it easier with the Norwich situation than the Villa one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 10, 2012, 08:35:57 AM: Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
We have Herd, who I think is really developing into a potential Parker-like option. However, I'm still not hugely convinced by the physicality question in midfield - if ever we were going to lose a midfield battle on strength alone then yesterday would have been it, and I don't think it really made much difference.
Absolutely agree re Herd.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on December 10, 2012, 10:30:19 AM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 09, 2012, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 09, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Diame has impressed me. Would love to see him at Villa.

I was thinking the same thing. Presence, power and and good feet ......

True. But he is now out for 3 months with a torn hamstring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2012, 11:20:20 AM: Quote from: Mister E on December 10, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
We have Herd, who I think is really developing into a potential Parker-like option. However, I'm still not hugely convinced by the physicality question in midfield - if ever we were going to lose a midfield battle on strength alone then yesterday would have been it, and I don't think it really made much difference.
Absolutely agree re Herd.

Agreed, the defensive 2 in the midfield actually looks fairly good now. Bannan and Westwood don't dominate by being physical but they work really hard and make life difficult for the opposition. Herd can come in if we need someone a little more robust and KEA will become a good alternative once he's more up to speed with the league.

Improving the 3 in front really is the key now as the defensive side of things looks solid and Benteke is great. 1-2 of Holman, Weimann and Gabby would be ok but all three are work horses first and foremost, we need to add some craft. Nzogbia might be able to step up and we'd all hoped Ireland would but both have struggled for consistency ever since they joined so I'd rather pick up a couple of players to fill those roles.

The brazilian lad (can't remember his name, scored the van basten like volley) we were linked with about 50 pages back would be just the ticket, good on both feet, can score from range, commits to the box and can go past people and get crosses in, he's pretty much perfect for the role we're looking to fill. Not sure we wouldn't be bullied out of it by a champs league side though.

Just checked he's called Taison and is exactly the type of player we need 2 of.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 10, 2012, 12:28:14 PM: Quote from: paul_e on December 10, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Mister E on December 10, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Montbert on December 09, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
We have Herd, who I think is really developing into a potential Parker-like option. However, I'm still not hugely convinced by the physicality question in midfield - if ever we were going to lose a midfield battle on strength alone then yesterday would have been it, and I don't think it really made much difference.
Absolutely agree re Herd.

Agreed, the defensive 2 in the midfield actually looks fairly good now. Bannan and Westwood don't dominate by being physical but they work really hard and make life difficult for the opposition. Herd can come in if we need someone a little more robust and KEA will become a good alternative once he's more up to speed with the league.

Improving the 3 in front really is the key now as the defensive side of things looks solid and Benteke is great. 1-2 of Holman, Weimann and Gabby would be ok but all three are work horses first and foremost, we need to add some craft. Nzogbia might be able to step up and we'd all hoped Ireland would but both have struggled for consistency ever since they joined so I'd rather pick up a couple of players to fill those roles.

The brazilian lad (can't remember his name, scored the van basten like volley) we were linked with about 50 pages back would be just the ticket, good on both feet, can score from range, commits to the box and can go past people and get crosses in, he's pretty much perfect for the role we're looking to fill. Not sure we wouldn't be bullied out of it by a champs league side though.

Just checked he's called Taison and is exactly the type of player we need 2 of.

We need someone who can bring spark and creativity to our game, Ireland has been good with it in some games and I'm surprised Lambert haven't given him games in 4 games now I think. Many other clubs in PL have the same problem; they lack the creative spark, and I don't think there's such english players nowdays so Lambert will probably look that from abroad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 10, 2012, 02:45:45 PM: Derek Boateng according to the Sun.
Playing in the Ukraine at the moment. Don't know much about him though

EDIT: apparently he's off to Fulham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 10, 2012, 06:42:09 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on December 10, 2012, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 09, 2012, 06:48:07 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 09, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Diame has impressed me. Would love to see him at Villa.

I was thinking the same thing. Presence, power and and good feet ......

True. But he is now out for 3 months with a torn hamstring.

Three weeks. SSN ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 10, 2012, 07:18:20 PM: Torn hamstring is a long lay off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 10, 2012, 07:43:21 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 10, 2012, 07:18:20 PM
Torn hamstring is a long lay off.
Diame plays down injury fears

By: Pete O'Rourke
Last Updated: December 10 2012, 17:16 GMT

West Ham midfielder Mohamed Diame has played down fears over his hamstring injury and hopes to be back in action in three weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2012, 07:44:56 PM: I wonder if a loan for Marko Marin would be an idea. He's not getting his game at Chelsea, and every time I've seen him he's looked very dangerous and vibrant cutting in from the flanks - something we're really missing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on December 10, 2012, 07:55:19 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 10, 2012, 07:44:56 PM
I wonder if a loan for Marko Marin would be an idea. He's not getting his game at Chelsea, and every time I've seen him he's looked very dangerous and vibrant cutting in from the flanks - something we're really missing.

Not a bad shout. I imagine he's on pretty big wages though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 10, 2012, 07:57:30 PM: Marin is a quality player and I'd love to have him on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 10, 2012, 08:12:38 PM: Dries Mertens has a great scoring record. Might be out of our league though?

I have thought there must be bargains in Spain, not sure who though. Imagine if we'd or michu for £2m!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM: I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2012, 08:52:48 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.

Apparently, Switzerland are the new Belgium for shit-hot young talent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 10, 2012, 08:58:40 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 10, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.

Apparently, Switzerland are the new Belgium for shit-hot young talent.

Not so sure about there Lee.
in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2012, 09:06:03 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 10, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.

Apparently, Switzerland are the new Belgium for shit-hot young talent.

True, but when you say young you mean really, really young. Only Xherdan Shaqiri is old enough to make a real impact so far, and he's at Bayern.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 10, 2012, 09:22:05 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 10, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 10, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.

Apparently, Switzerland are the new Belgium for shit-hot young talent.

True, but when you say young you mean really, really young. Only Xherdan Shaqiri is old enough to make a real impact so far, and he's at Bayern.

That's not a reason not to buy them though. Get em now whilst their cheap. We can even send them back to switzerland to get match practice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2012, 09:25:56 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 10, 2012, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 10, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 10, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 10, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
I'd like a couple from Europe.
Maybe Belguim?
Some gems seem to be springing up from there.

Apparently, Switzerland are the new Belgium for shit-hot young talent.

True, but when you say young you mean really, really young. Only Xherdan Shaqiri is old enough to make a real impact so far, and he's at Bayern.

That's not a reason not to buy them though. Get em now whilst their cheap. We can even send them back to switzerland to get match practice.

Oh absolutely, get them in while we can (in Benjamin Siegrist we meant to have one already). Just that Belgium might still be a better source of younger (youngish) players who can make a more immediate impact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: seanthevillan on December 10, 2012, 10:57:11 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 10, 2012, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 10, 2012, 07:44:56 PM
I wonder if a loan for Marko Marin would be an idea. He's not getting his game at Chelsea, and every time I've seen him he's looked very dangerous and vibrant cutting in from the flanks - something we're really missing.

Not a bad shout. I imagine he's on pretty big wages though.

Was thinking exactly the same - the kind of player that could play anywhere across the line of 3 behind the striker, and being German he would have player this system for his entire life.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 10, 2012, 11:21:48 PM: Who do Belguim use for Benteke's striking partner ? Could we make an move for him in January ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2012, 11:22:44 PM: Eden Hazard?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2012, 11:23:51 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 10, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Who do Belguim use for Benteke's striking partner ? Could we make an move for him in January ?

It's either Benteke or Lukaku on their own up front, no partner. The players he holds the ball up to include Mertens, Mirallas and Hazard, of whom Mertens might be the only realistic option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hillbilly on December 11, 2012, 01:41:43 AM: Not sure who fits the bill but I think a "Luc Nilis" is needed. We were so lucky to get him and so cursed to lose him so soon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on December 11, 2012, 06:35:43 AM: Quote from: Montbert on December 10, 2012, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 10, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Who do Belguim use for Benteke's striking partner ? Could we make an move for him in January ?

It's either Benteke or Lukaku on their own up front, no partner. The players he holds the ball up to include Mertens, Mirallas and Hazard, of whom Mertens might be the only realistic option.

There's also Nacer Chadli of FC Twente, who can play left or right wing and even just off the striker, not as prolific as Mertens or Hazard, but he's taller, 6ft+ and more powerful. Also Benteke's former strike partner Jelle Vossen is having a blinding season with Genk, 12 goals in 17 league games, 17 in all competitions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 11, 2012, 11:33:04 AM: I reckon Lambert will go back for Dale Stephens too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 11, 2012, 11:41:56 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 11, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
I reckon Lambert will go back for Dale Stephens too.

That's him. Was thinking earlier who it was.

I think we'll be buying more of the same. Young, hungry and cheap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2012, 12:00:45 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 11, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
I reckon Lambert will go back for Dale Stephens too.

During the summer I thought Stephens was the preferred choice and when Charlton wouldn't negotiate the price, we dropped out interest and went and got Westwood. So have to wonder whether it was a case of one or the other; or whether we might sign both.

Incidentally, has anybody keeping an eye on Charlton to see how Stephens has been getting on?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM: If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2012, 12:33:57 PM: Quote from: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.

He's very talented, but I think it might be best for all concerned if he stayed where he is for now. The way Westwood and Lowton have taken to the league reminds me of Jonathan Trott when he first came into the England Test side: he'd had the years to learn his trade under less pressure, to work out his own game and was ready for the step up, not overawed by it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 11, 2012, 01:30:54 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.

He's very talented, but I think it might be best for all concerned if he stayed where he is for now. The way Westwood and Lowton have taken to the league reminds me of Jonathan Trott when he first came into the England Test side: he'd had the years to learn his trade under less pressure, to work out his own game and was ready for the step up, not overawed by it.

buy him and send him back on loan to Derby
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:14:50 PM: Quote from: OCD on December 11, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 11, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
I reckon Lambert will go back for Dale Stephens too.

During the summer I thought Stephens was the preferred choice and when Charlton wouldn't negotiate the price, we dropped out interest and went and got Westwood. So have to wonder whether it was a case of one or the other; or whether we might sign both.

Incidentally, has anybody keeping an eye on Charlton to see how Stephens has been getting on?

yes 6/10 most games
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:15:24 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.

He's very talented, but I think it might be best for all concerned if he stayed where he is for now. The way Westwood and Lowton have taken to the league reminds me of Jonathan Trott when he first came into the England Test side: he'd had the years to learn his trade under less pressure, to work out his own game and was ready for the step up, not overawed by it.

buy him , loan him back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2012, 02:18:29 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.

He's very talented, but I think it might be best for all concerned if he stayed where he is for now. The way Westwood and Lowton have taken to the league reminds me of Jonathan Trott when he first came into the England Test side: he'd had the years to learn his trade under less pressure, to work out his own game and was ready for the step up, not overawed by it.

buy him , loan him back.

I heard Wenger talk about why he doesn't like doing that. He says it can disrupt a young player because these young guys are shy and don't come out of their shells as much as if they have one consistent environment to develop in. To be fair though, he loans out as much as anyone, though it does tend to be the ones he doesn't rate as much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:37:39 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 11, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
If he wants another young hungry meidfielder, he should look at 17 yr old Will Hughes at Derby. The radio commentators on Saturday were eulogising about him.

He's very talented, but I think it might be best for all concerned if he stayed where he is for now. The way Westwood and Lowton have taken to the league reminds me of Jonathan Trott when he first came into the England Test side: he'd had the years to learn his trade under less pressure, to work out his own game and was ready for the step up, not overawed by it.

buy him , loan him back.

I heard Wenger talk about why he doesn't like doing that. He says it can disrupt a young player because these young guys are shy and don't come out of their shells as much as if they have one consistent environment to develop in. To be fair though, he loans out as much as anyone, though it does tend to be the ones he doesn't rate as much.

whats he know. He cant win a trophy ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2012, 02:40:05 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:37:39 PM
whats he know. He cant win a trophy ;)

But he knows how to develop a player. Look at the number he sells to Man City! :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:44:02 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:37:39 PM
whats he know. He cant win a trophy ;)

But he knows how to develop a player. Look at the number he sells to Man City! :D

he he , yes and sells your best striker to a rival which will win them the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 11, 2012, 02:51:05 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:37:39 PM
whats he know. He cant win a trophy ;)

But he knows how to develop a player. Look at the number he sells to Man City! :D

he he , yes and sells your best striker to a rival which will win them the league.

Developed him as well. He's like some mad self-destructive artist, spending years and years crafting brilliant sculptures only to smash them up and start again for no reason.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 03:05:24 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Montbert on December 11, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 11, 2012, 02:37:39 PM
whats he know. He cant win a trophy ;)

But he knows how to develop a player. Look at the number he sells to Man City! :D

he he , yes and sells your best striker to a rival which will win them the league.

Developed him as well. He's like some mad self-destructive artist, spending years and years crafting brilliant sculptures only to smash them up and start again for no reason.

no trophys but a 7 million pound a year contarct thou.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2012, 06:30:35 PM: Its more like the sculptures come to the conclusion that they won't be winning any Turner prizes at their current art gallery and force a move to another gallery where they might win the prize.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 11, 2012, 07:31:41 PM: We should take a punt on this kid. I'm sure he'd prefer B6 to Milan.

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 11, 2012, 07:46:02 PM: He seems to like a slow paced game, eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 11, 2012, 08:42:26 PM: Whos the young guy whos playing for Bradford tonight, Wells?.........have to watch him a few more times, but seems on 1st impressions a good prospect, and an Inside Foward kind of player as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2012, 09:21:16 PM: I'm watching Roma and Michael Bradley is having a great game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 11, 2012, 11:44:21 PM: PWS have to hope that skill is nit coached out of him too much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: unclefabio on December 12, 2012, 12:54:47 AM: The priority next month has to be buying a central midfielder, I would think. Westwood is a class player, but Bannan is too inconsistent, El Ahmadi hasn't had a good game in two months and I don't think Delph is good enough for this level. I'm struggling to come up with names though. James McCarthy perhaps? He might be a bit too similar to Westwood but he's a good player. I'd heard that Stephens wasn't particularly good when we were linked in the summer (although I heard the same about Benteke).

Another winger would be nice too. I like Albrighton but he's not up to it. I do think N'Zogbia will eventually come good but I would like to see us go in for Zaha.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 12, 2012, 07:16:11 AM: Watching Lowton, Westwood, Benteke in particular makes you wish lambert had been our manager when randy was splashing the cash. I imagine they've all doubles their value already. Couple more of those please Lambo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2012, 08:38:49 AM: Quote from: unclefabio on December 12, 2012, 12:54:47 AM
El Ahmadi hasn't had a good game in two months
Surely 'two hours'?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 12, 2012, 09:16:52 AM: sturridge and Ince to Liverpoo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 12, 2012, 09:23:04 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 12, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
sturridge and Ince to Liverpoo.

Dean and Paul?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 12, 2012, 09:24:29 AM: Quote from: LeeB on December 12, 2012, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 12, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
sturridge and Ince to Liverpoo.

Dean and Paul?

Lets hope so
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 12, 2012, 09:25:15 AM: I thought Liverpool would have to sell their big expensive flops before they can buy,can't see there being too many takers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 12, 2012, 09:34:31 AM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on December 12, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
I thought Liverpool would have to sell their big expensive flops before they can buy,can't see there being too many takers.

I can't imagine anyone paying equal salaries for Downing and Cole what they have now in Liverpool, and especially not higher, aren't they both on about 80-100k per week? Man City are rich enough to pay off the difference either in big lump sum (like they did for Adam Johnson who got millions from Man City when he transferred to Sunderland) or subside the salary. Liverpool will probably stuck with them both until the contracts runs out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 12, 2012, 10:43:18 AM: Ince is going to them slightly on the cheap as they originally sold him and had a 35% sell on clause
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 12, 2012, 02:26:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 11, 2012, 07:31:41 PM
We should take a punt on this kid. I'm sure he'd prefer B6 to Milan.

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Flash little bastard, no-one likes a show off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 12, 2012, 02:28:05 PM: Well, I wouldn't mind that one. He seems to be some talent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2012, 02:55:15 PM: Talented kid. I hope the people around him keep him level headed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 12, 2012, 03:19:17 PM: Apparently Milan have been trying to get special dispensation to get him into the first team before he turns 16 next year as players can't play in Serie A if they are under 16.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 12, 2012, 05:59:48 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 11, 2012, 11:44:21 PM
PWS have to hope that skill is nit coached out of him too much.

Yep, he'd have to start from scratch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 12, 2012, 06:09:37 PM: He's a pearl, but he gives me the needle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on December 12, 2012, 07:38:57 PM: what would everyone think to tim cahill on a short term loan? He wants to come back to england (unlike keane) & i've always rated him. Would give us experience in the centre of the park and a threat at set pieces
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 12, 2012, 07:40:10 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on December 12, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
what would everyone think to tim cahill on a short term loan? He wants to come back to england (unlike keane) & i've always rated him. Would give us experience in the centre of the park and a threat at set pieces

Yes please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2012, 08:23:20 PM: Does he actually score goals anymore? He only scored one in the MLS season and that's hardly got a reputation as a hard league to score goals in.

Nor were his last couple of seasons at Everton prolific and he was virtually playing as a second striker for a lot of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 12, 2012, 08:29:28 PM: I'm going to rule no thanks on Cahill.
Firstly, he's a busted flush. Secondly, I can't stand the twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 12, 2012, 08:29:31 PM: Nah, Cahill's well past it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2012, 08:33:47 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 12, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 11, 2012, 07:31:41 PM
We should take a punt on this kid. I'm sure he'd prefer B6 to Milan.

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Flash little bastard, no-one likes a show off.

he is like a dad playing against the under 11s :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2012, 11:37:47 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on December 12, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 11, 2012, 07:31:41 PM
We should take a punt on this kid. I'm sure he'd prefer B6 to Milan.

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Flash little bastard, no-one likes a show off.

he is like a dad playing against the under 11s :D

Reminds me of jay jay okocha when he lit up the african nations as a 18-19 year old, lots of similar tricks and the same low centre of gravity. In that tournament he looked for all the world like he'd play at the very highest level. He still did well but that his best days were at Bolton suggests he never quite lived up to it.

Edit, just checked, it was march 94 so he'd have been 20.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 13, 2012, 12:28:27 AM: Apparently (according to The Mail) we're keeping tabs on Iceland striker Alfreð Finnbogason who is smashing them in for Heerenveen and has a good record in general.
23, 6'2" currently being coached by the great van Basten. Sounds promising if I believed a word they said. It would fit Lambert's MO I have to say.

Strange place to keep tabs though. Usually it would be on a mantlepiece or in a coat pocket. Maybe a dashboard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on December 13, 2012, 12:39:46 AM: Ohhh Alfreð Finnbogason
Ohhh Alfreð Finnbogason
Ohhh Alfreð Finnbogason
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 13, 2012, 07:16:10 AM: It's a no to Tim Cahill for me. He was always a very average footballer but a great scoring midfielder. Now he doesn't seem to score much - perhaps he's lost that prodigious leap - I can't see the point really. Would be a sticking plaster and not a very effective one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 13, 2012, 02:32:41 PM: Linked with a RM from Millwall
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8329705/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 14, 2012, 08:13:19 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 13, 2012, 02:32:41 PM
Linked with a RM from Millwall
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8329705/

Seems to fit the bill nicely , creative midfielder who can add goals .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on December 14, 2012, 12:13:02 PM: Charlton appear to be expecting Villa to go back in for Dale Stephens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 14, 2012, 03:15:14 PM: Quote from: not3bad on December 14, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
Charlton appear to be expecting Villa to go back in for Dale Stephens.

Wasn't Westwood our backup plan if we didn't sign Stephens? If he's better than Westwood, he'll be more than welcome.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 14, 2012, 06:49:52 PM: Was he not more attacking? I get the distinct impression that Charlton want to sell and make some cash to spend, and Stephens is the one they had interest in during the summer, he has not pulled up trees, and now they are trying to get the cash in. Not so sure Lambert will fall for it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 14, 2012, 06:55:24 PM: I think we should go for Craig Gardner
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2012, 06:55:54 PM: I don't, he's not up to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2012, 07:09:16 PM: If Gardner appears in January then I'd be perfectly happy with it, as based on his track record there would be a reason for signing him and I'd be confident for the reasons for his signing.

Or put it this way: McLeish or O'Neill signing Gardner for a club = bad, Lambert signing Gardner for a club = fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 14, 2012, 07:19:13 PM: Gardner is very ordinary midfielder and I don't think he'd be improvement on any of our midfielders except that he has a mean long shot. We have enough squad players and his salary would probably be 40k+.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2012, 07:24:29 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on December 14, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Gardner is very ordinary midfielder and I don't think he'd be improvement on any of our midfielders except that he has a mean long shot. We have enough squad players and his salary would probably be 40k+.
I'd be very surprised if it were.

I can't imagine it would have been much more than £20k at us or Blues and considering they'd just been relegated I don't think Sunderland would have had to offer a massive increase.

If we were to sign him, I'd expect we'd be looking at circa £25k per week.

Obviously there's a lot of supposition in there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2012, 09:30:01 PM: I remember we were linked to the beautifully named Wilfred Bony in the last window, he might've been a fall back option if Benteke hadn't have gone through.

Seems to be linked to a few clubs now and played for the Ivory Coast in their last friendly so one to revisit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 14, 2012, 09:31:49 PM: Craig Gardner is no longer at this club for a reason. Deeply average. Why do we want to go backwards?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2012, 09:34:06 PM: I thought Gardner was worth holding onto at the time. O.k he wanted to play but he was better as back up than Sidwell and is much more of a goal threat than NRC.

Wouldn't want him back now though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 14, 2012, 09:49:52 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 14, 2012, 09:31:49 PM
Craig Gardner is no longer at this club for a reason. Deeply average. Why do we want to go backwards?

Seen him play for Sunderland on TV a couple of times this season and hasn't exactly covered himself in glory. Added to that the baggage he would bring with some sections of our support and I think he is one probably best left alone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 14, 2012, 09:54:06 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 14, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on December 14, 2012, 09:31:49 PM
Craig Gardner is no longer at this club for a reason. Deeply average. Why do we want to go backwards?

Seen him play for Sunderland on TV a couple of times this season and hasn't exactly covered himself in glory. Added to that the baggage he would bring with some sections of our support and I think he is one probably best left alone.

he's still got that frightning stare though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on December 14, 2012, 10:16:56 PM: Don't forget Gary Gardner is due back from fitness at some point, who arguably is a better prospect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2012, 10:54:32 PM: I'd say we'd be as well to prepare ourselves for Gary not coming back the same player as before.

One ACL injury is bad enough (and was enough to finish a career not so long back). Two is particularly heinous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 14, 2012, 11:05:24 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on December 14, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
I'd say we'd be as well to prepare ourselves for Gary not coming back the same player as before.

One ACL injury is bad enough (and was enough to finish a career not so long back). Two is particularly heinous.

I agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 14, 2012, 11:20:29 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 14, 2012, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on December 14, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Gardner is very ordinary midfielder and I don't think he'd be improvement on any of our midfielders except that he has a mean long shot. We have enough squad players and his salary would probably be 40k+.
I'd be very surprised if it were.

I can't imagine it would have been much more than £20k at us or Blues and considering they'd just been relegated I don't think Sunderland would have had to offer a massive increase.

If we were to sign him, I'd expect we'd be looking at circa £25k per week.

Obviously there's a lot of supposition in there.

You might be right but I'd imagine he'd want payrise if bought from Sunderland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 15, 2012, 09:13:41 AM: He's on £35k a week on Football Manager. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 09:59:46 AM: FWIW my mate who knows him reckons he was on £23k a week after he signed his last contract at Villa. Probably about as reliable as Football Manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 15, 2012, 11:21:34 AM: Lambert wants his own recruitments and has employed a coach with a fantastic knowledge base of young and hungry talent. Premiership players are on massive wages mostly unjustified. Lambert will have identified what he needs and i hope he has these players lined up for January ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 15, 2012, 11:38:27 AM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 15, 2012, 11:21:34 AM
Lambert wants his own recruitments and has employed a coach with a fantastic knowledge base of young and hungry talent. Premiership players are on massive wages mostly unjustified. Lambert will have identified what he needs and i hope he has these players lined up for January ........

Agree.

Wiki says:

"In the first Premier League season the average player wage was £75,000 per year,[119] but subsequently rose by an average 20 per cent per year for a decade,[120] £409,000 in 2000–01, £676,000 in 2003–04 season[121] rising to £1.1 million for the 2008–09 season".

So, 4 years on, average premier league players like Craig Gardner would be on more than the £22k a week they'd likely have been on in 2008. I would've thought we could attract somebody better for less money and if you consider the bridges he burned when he moved to St Andrews, I'd say no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 15, 2012, 12:24:16 PM: He's average and we can do better. His brother is easily a better player if he can stay fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 04:55:36 PM: Is there anyone we can afford who is good enough to get into our team?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2012, 06:09:05 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 04:55:36 PM
Is there anyone we can afford who is good enough to get into our team?

Judging by Lamberts use of money, almost certainly yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2012, 06:18:07 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 04:55:36 PM
Is there anyone we can afford who is good enough to get into our team?

I'm still not convinced we've sorted the left back spot properly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 15, 2012, 07:24:19 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on December 15, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 04:55:36 PM
Is there anyone we can afford who is good enough to get into our team?

I'm still not convinced we've sorted the left back spot properly.

Yes to a point. Jury still out on Bennett but he needs to be given a chance. I'd like to see another CB and a nippy forward. What the squad needs is depth and variety but most of the current lot are earning the right to keep their places.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 15, 2012, 07:26:09 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 15, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on December 15, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2012, 04:55:36 PM
Is there anyone we can afford who is good enough to get into our team?

I'm still not convinced we've sorted the left back spot properly.

Yes to a point. Jury still out on Bennett but he needs to be given a chance. I'd like to see another CB and a nippy forward. What the squad needs is depth and variety but most of the current lot are earning the right to keep their places.

I think Bennett will be well suited to the wing back role , once he's had a run of games fully fit I think he will prove a very good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2012, 11:50:23 PM: The commentator on WM made the point towards the end of the game today and there are a lot of "ifs" involved, but if we continue with the 3-5-2 formation, if we don't suffer a lot of injuries and if noone leaves, how many players do we really need in January? As far as I can see, we will have:

Goalkeepers - Guzan and Given

CBs from - Vlaar, Baker, Clark, Dunne (Lowton if needed)

RWBs - Lowton and Lichaj

LWBs - Bennett, Stevens (Lichaj if needed)

DMs - Westwood, Bannan, El Ahmadi, Delph

AMs - Holman, Ireland and N'Zogbia

STs - Benteke, Weimann, Bent, Gabby and Bowery

Do we really need to bring anyone else in? I would say that a creative attacking midfielder who can chip in with goals (though Holman is doing well in that role) would add something as would another wide player if we switch formations. Apart from that, I don't really know if we need much else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on December 16, 2012, 12:01:50 AM: It's quite an interesting point, that.

I suspect that Dunne is a write-off, to be honest, so maybe another centre-half, but that doesn't seem a priority at the moment.

I think I'd like to see an upgrade/challenger to Ireland's role, and maybe a more experienced centre midfielder.
Although he was unbelievably frustrating last year, I still think its worth persevering with N'Zogbia; it might be more hope than expectation, but we know what he can do when he is in form, and if he could find that for us then he will be a huge asset for the system(s) we're playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 16, 2012, 12:03:43 AM: We could probably get rid of everybody who's on £40k or more per week without even noticing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on December 16, 2012, 12:09:18 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 15, 2012, 11:50:23 PM
The commentator on WM made the point towards the end of the game today and there are a lot of "ifs" involved, but if we continue with the 3-5-2 formation, if we don't suffer a lot of injuries and if noone leaves, how many players do we really need in January? As far as I can see, we will have:

Goalkeepers - Guzan and Given

CBs from - Vlaar, Baker, Clark, Dunne (Lowton if needed)

RWBs - Lowton and Lichaj

LWBs - Bennett, Stevens (Lichaj if needed)

DMs - Westwood, Bannan, El Ahmadi, Delph

AMs - Holman, Ireland and N'Zogbia

STs - Benteke, Weimann, Bent, Gabby and Bowery

Do we really need to bring anyone else in? I would say that a creative attacking midfielder who can chip in with goals (though Holman is doing well in that role) would add something as would another wide player if we switch formations. Apart from that, I don't really know if we need much else.

I still think that could be Bannan if given the chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 12:13:20 AM: I'm not convinced it could be Bannan, 1 league goal in his Villa career and that was a penalty.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2012, 12:15:34 AM: Its usually better to assess the squad after a defeat to see where the weaknesses are than after a day like this. We've looked a lot better going forward in the last 2 games but before then we've really struggled for creativity. In a 4-2-3-1 the inside forwards and the attacking midfielder roles all need reinforcing. In a 3-5-2 we need strengthening in the forward and attacking midfield roles.

I can still see there being a fair bit of work done in the summer and we might see a couple more of the types we've already seen i.e. young, hungry players probably from the lower leagues and maybe the odd foreign bargain.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 16, 2012, 02:53:22 AM: I think Bannan could play well further up the pitch, but I don't think he'll ever really be a goalscoring midfielder. You'd need a Zog upgrade to be that play, I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 16, 2012, 04:37:33 AM: Dunne, Ireland and Y'Zogbia can all go. Big money and little output. The young lads have no egos and are running through walls for the team. - More of the same please!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 16, 2012, 05:28:12 AM: Dunne is, well, done as far as we're concerned I suspect. Maybe we'll see a bit of him towards the end of this season but we're not going to offer him a new contract and he'll be off on a free.

I hope he likes Sunderland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 16, 2012, 07:49:15 AM: Quote from: Matt C on December 16, 2012, 05:28:12 AM
Dunne is, well, done as far as we're concerned I suspect. Maybe we'll see a bit of him towards the end of this season but we're not going to offer him a new contract and he'll be off on a free.

I hope he likes Sunderland.

Spot on. You have to consider his age and fitness too. I don't reckon he will get another premier league side after us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 16, 2012, 08:55:20 AM: Quote from: Matt C on December 16, 2012, 05:28:12 AM
Dunne is, well, done as far as we're concerned I suspect. Maybe we'll see a bit of him towards the end of this season but we're not going to offer him a new contract and he'll be off on a free.

I hope he likes Sunderland.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/12/15/3604861/aston-villa-dealt-injury-blow-as-dunne-suffers-setback
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 16, 2012, 10:19:51 AM: Add Gabby and Given to that as well PMS.

Hernandez wants more games apparently.Perfect fit for me, i would'nt mind Kone either from Wigan.Can play as an inside foward, or a CF.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 16, 2012, 10:33:00 AM: Hernandez and Benteke would be pretty frightening together, although Weimann is doing a damned good job. Over 10 games or so in this formation together it will be interesting to see how many they score.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2012, 10:36:26 AM: If the established wisdom is that Bent and Benteke doesn't work, why would Benteke and Hernandez work?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2012, 10:43:15 AM: Quote from: Dave on December 16, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
If the established wisdom is that Bent and Benteke doesn't work, why would Benteke and Hernandez work?

Because unlike Bent, Hernandez works like a dog.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2012, 10:46:28 AM: No he doesn't.

They both play off the shoulder of the defender and rely on their movement in the penalty area while relying on others to do most of the running around.

If we sold Bent, then I don't think we could find a more similar replacement striker anywhere than Hernandez.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 16, 2012, 10:50:56 AM: Hernandez has been playing as the Inside foward all season as shown at VP earlier this season , playing off RVP. His workrate, and attitude means he is quite adaptable, and you could play Hernandez and Weimann alongside Benteke.

Play 2 holding midfielders, no problem
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 16, 2012, 10:51:10 AM: Well, Hernandez does have better technique, and will tend to have loads more touches in a game than Bent. That said, I prefer Weimann with Benteke in our team, Andy plays both behind Benteke and beyond him, they just know when which one should move back into space and the other should run beyond.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: seanthevillan on December 16, 2012, 11:11:18 AM: If Hernandez leaves it will be to another Champions League club, or at a stretch somewhere a bit closer to home (though I doubt he'd go back to Mexico).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 16, 2012, 11:14:28 AM: I'd be surprised if united let Hernandez leave .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 16, 2012, 11:23:35 AM: Chicarito is a good player but not right for Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 16, 2012, 12:00:53 PM: Hernandez would have far too many CL options to go to, before even considering us. But yes, he's better than Bent. Technically better, and he puts the work in too. He's the modern, more continental answer to the Bent style of striker.
I also foresee Weimann and Benteke being a very good partnership, so I'd stick with that. If we sign another forward, then perhaps another of Lamberts signings of potential, unless he thinks Bowery is close to being ready. Given Lamberts judgement so far, I'd no doubt him.

We need to sort out midfield firstly though and possibly a replacement for Dunne and we'll be in good shape. For me, Delph isn't good enough in midfield. Think we need another body there. Replacements for the erratic Ireland and CNZ would also be good. We could do with some creativity, particularly for home games. Holman was brilliant against Liverpool. His impact was good, in a game where we needed that work rate. But in matches where we dictate things, I think a more deft of touch player is required, who can pick out a defence splitting pass and make runs beyond the forwards.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 16, 2012, 12:16:47 PM: Benteke is looking like becoming the complete centre forward. So if we're going to get another one in it could be any sort of striker and Benteke would work with him but it would be best in my opinion if it was a creative number 10 player. This player would link play with Benteke and the rest but also work with Benteke in creating chances for others.
I'm a big fan of Hernandez but I'd be suprised if he ended up here. He's not really the sort of player I've just mentioned, however he's such a natural predator that I'd be delighted to have him and fit him in somewhere.

Weimann deserves his chance to see how far his partnership can go with Benteke can go which I believe is very far indeed. I love Gabby but Weimann has already shown an understading and appreciation of working with a strike partner than Gabby ever has or will. I also think we'll keep Bent for the rest of the season and when fit again will figure and do well. Then probably leave in the summer. So in forward terms we'll stick with what we have.

In fact what I'd look a doing is spending whatever we have on a midfield general, centre half cover and a top attacking midfielder. I want to see this team (and the youngsters coming through behind them) develop and for the first time in ages, I'm not that bothered if we sign anybody. Of course, I'd like a couple of players just because its fun and exciting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:32:02 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 16, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Benteke is looking like becoming the complete centre forward. So if we're going to get another one in it could be any sort of striker and Benteke would work with him but it would be best in my opinion if it was a creative number 10 player. This player would link play with Benteke and the rest but also work with Benteke in creating chances for others.
I'm a big fan of Hernandez but I'd be suprised if he ended up here. He's not really the sort of player I've just mentioned, however he's such a natural predator that I'd be delighted to have him and fit him in somewhere.

Weimann deserves his chance to see how far his partnership can go with Benteke can go which I believe is very far indeed. I love Gabby but Weimann has already shown an understading and appreciation of working with a strike partner than Gabby ever has or will. I also think we'll keep Bent for the rest of the season and when fit again will figure and do well. Then probably leave in the summer. So in forward terms we'll stick with what we have.

In fact what I'd look a doing is spending whatever we have on a midfield general, centre half cover and a top attacking midfielder. I want to see this team (and the youngsters coming through behind them) develop and for the first time in ages, I'm not that bothered if we sign anybody. Of course, I'd like a couple of players just because its fun and exciting.

I agree with that Maz, but if we are going to bring another striker in, then I think it should be a target man type of player in case Benteke gets injured. I think the rest of the striking options we currently have are fine, but we would struggle to hold the ball up front if Benteke is out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:32:38 PM: Quote from: supertom on December 16, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
We need to sort out midfield firstly though and possibly a replacement for Dunne and we'll be in good shape. For me, Delph isn't good enough in midfield. Think we need another body there. Replacements for the erratic Ireland and CNZ would also be good. We could do with some creativity, particularly for home games. Holman was brilliant against Liverpool. His impact was good, in a game where we needed that work rate. But in matches where we dictate things, I think a more deft of touch player is required, who can pick out a defence splitting pass and make runs beyond the forwards.

I know he is 30, but I have been really impressed with Wes Hoolahan (thought he was very good when we played Norwich at home this season) and if rumours about him being out of contract at the end of the season are true, then he could be a good addition in the attacking midfield role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 16, 2012, 12:35:04 PM: I wouldn't be that bothered if we didn't sign anyone either which is a compliment to the current youngsters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 16, 2012, 12:37:08 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
I agree with that Maz, but if we are going to bring another striker in, then I think it should be a target man type of player in case Benteke gets injured. I think the rest of the striking options we currently have are fine, but we would struggle to hold the ball up front if Benteke is out.

I reckon gabby is pretty adept at that. Certainly good enough to question the need to spend 6 or so million for a guy that is likely to be on the bench.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:40:39 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 16, 2012, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
I agree with that Maz, but if we are going to bring another striker in, then I think it should be a target man type of player in case Benteke gets injured. I think the rest of the striking options we currently have are fine, but we would struggle to hold the ball up front if Benteke is out.

I reckon gabby is pretty adept at that. Certainly good enough to question the need to spend 6 or so million for a guy that is likely to be on the bench.

Not sure about Gabby as a target man Dante. You only have to see how many aerial balls Benteke wins in a game to see how important that type of player is in our current gameplan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2012, 12:51:02 PM: Quote from: supertom on December 16, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
Hernandez would have far too many CL options to go to, before even considering us. But yes, he's better than Bent. Technically better, and he puts the work in too. He's the modern, more continental answer to the Bent style of striker.
I also foresee Weimann and Benteke being a very good partnership, so I'd stick with that. If we sign another forward, then perhaps another of Lamberts signings of potential, unless he thinks Bowery is close to being ready. Given Lamberts judgement so far, I'd no doubt him.

We need to sort out midfield firstly though and possibly a replacement for Dunne and we'll be in good shape. For me, Delph isn't good enough in midfield. Think we need another body there. Replacements for the erratic Ireland and CNZ would also be good. We could do with some creativity, particularly for home games. Holman was brilliant against Liverpool. His impact was good, in a game where we needed that work rate. But in matches where we dictate things, I think a more deft of touch player is required, who can pick out a defence splitting pass and make runs beyond the forwards.

Holman and Delph were our best players on Tuesday until we started to run riot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 16, 2012, 12:58:27 PM: Gabby is strong and can hold the ball up. He can sort of cover most of what a target man does but is not technically speaking, a target man. As Dante said, he's probably good enough to not require buying a target man specifically.
Then again, if you can find another player like Benteke who can be a target man, a link man and the focal point of the attack (and why not, we've already done so relatively cheaply) then great.
Maybe Bowery has more capabilty in this role than we know?

Playing two such players would be hilariously amazing. Imagine two Bentekes up front?
However, loving the Benteke/Weimann partnership and the potential of it. They're both having the time of their life and its a pleasure to watch.
There is a nice balance to it too. It could be Withe and Shaw all over again. Or maybe Benteke is Withe and Shaw combined and Weimann adds a bit extra.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 16, 2012, 01:41:33 PM: Gabby can't hold the ball up because his technique is poor.He hasn't done it for the last 4 years, so i don't see why he would start doing it now, thats why he has bought the lad from Lincoln.

Hernandez wouldn't replace Weimann, he would replace Gabby.Although i think Kone, or even Odewinge would'nt be bad shouts either.The lad Wells from Bradford might be worth a gamble as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on December 16, 2012, 02:18:29 PM: I like Trotter of Millwall but another is midfielder James Henry who we could target as he is out of contract in summer. sort of young creative midfielder to go for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2012, 02:20:55 PM: We were linked with James Henry a few days ago - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8329705/Transfer-news-Premier-League-clubs-tracking-Millwall-midfielder-James-Henry

His contract expires in June 2014 - he signed an extension in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 16, 2012, 03:18:20 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 16, 2012, 01:41:33 PM

Gabby can't hold the ball up because his technique is poor.He hasn't done it for the last 4 years, so i don't see why he would start doing it now, thats why he has bought the lad from Lincoln.

Who he?
do you mean Bowery, from Chesterfield?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 03:21:40 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 16, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
I like Trotter of Millwall but another is midfielder James Henry who we could target as he is out of contract in summer. sort of young creative midfielder to go for.

Andy King from Leicester is another Championship player who plays in the attacking midfield role, though I think he has regressed a little after suffering a couple of bad injuries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on December 16, 2012, 03:34:33 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: supertom on December 16, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
We need to sort out midfield firstly though and possibly a replacement for Dunne and we'll be in good shape. For me, Delph isn't good enough in midfield. Think we need another body there. Replacements for the erratic Ireland and CNZ would also be good. We could do with some creativity, particularly for home games. Holman was brilliant against Liverpool. His impact was good, in a game where we needed that work rate. But in matches where we dictate things, I think a more deft of touch player is required, who can pick out a defence splitting pass and make runs beyond the forwards.

I know he is 30, but I have been really impressed with Wes Hoolahan (thought he was very good when we played Norwich at home this season) and if rumours about him being out of contract at the end of the season are true, then he could be a good addition in the attacking midfield role.

I thought I heard yesterday that he has signed a new 3 year deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 16, 2012, 04:28:25 PM: I know he probably wouldn't leave Newcastle for us but if we continue to play 3-5-2, then I would love to see Santon in our LWB position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 16, 2012, 05:04:29 PM: I want to see Bennett tried in that role first.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 16, 2012, 05:19:11 PM: I'd like Shane Long at Villa. He's hardworking,movements great and he knows where the net is. Wonder if the Baggies would swap for Bent?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on December 16, 2012, 05:21:30 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 16, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
I'd like Shane Long at Villa. He's hardworking,movements great and he knows where the net is. Wonder if the Baggies would swap for Bent?

Much prefer our forwards to be honest. If there's one Baggies player I would take it would be James Morrison, excellent attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 05:25:30 PM: I wouldn't mind Mulumbu either. With the added bonus that when he's not playing he could wear a dirty mac and solve crimes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 16, 2012, 05:26:38 PM: Quote from: Montbert on December 16, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on December 16, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
I'd like Shane Long at Villa. He's hardworking,movements great and he knows where the net is. Wonder if the Baggies would swap for Bent?

Much prefer our forwards to be honest. If there's one Baggies player I would take it would be James Morrison, excellent attacking midfielder.

Yeah he's a very good player. I'd really like us to go for Adam Lallana in that position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 16, 2012, 05:31:02 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 16, 2012, 05:04:29 PM
I want to see Bennett tried in that role first.

Me too, I think Bennett will be nicely suited to playing it and will prove to be a good signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dan England on December 16, 2012, 05:35:58 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 16, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
I like Trotter of Millwall but another is midfielder James Henry who we could target as he is out of contract in summer. sort of young creative midfielder to go for.

Andy King from Leicester is another Championship player who plays in the attacking midfield role, though I think he has regressed a little after suffering a couple of bad injuries.

The City fans I know all say he has gone backwards significantly and get's far too much coverage for his ability.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 16, 2012, 05:40:12 PM: Is it true that our starting 11 only cost 12 million quid yesterday ?

And if so that must be some sort of prem record for cheapness,
Although with Bent,Ireland And NZog there is 40 mill sitting around scratching there arses
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2012, 05:44:15 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
I wouldn't mind Mulumbu either. With the added bonus that when he's not playing he could wear a dirty mac and solve crimes.

*Applauds*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: regular_john on December 16, 2012, 06:32:28 PM: Quote from: john e on December 16, 2012, 05:40:12 PM
Is it true that our starting 11 only cost 12 million quid yesterday ?

And if so that must be some sort of prem record for cheapness,
Although with Bent,Ireland And NZog there is 40 mill sitting around scratching there arses

Guzan - £250K (I think)
Lichaj - Free
Baker - Free
Herd - Free
Clark - Free
Lowton - £2 million
Bannan - Free
Westwood - £4 million (I think)
Holman - Free
Benteke - £7 million
Weimann - Free

£11.25 million if I have my figures correct, certainly no more than £14 million
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 06:38:58 PM: Guzan - Free
Lichaj - Free
Baker - Free
Herd - Free
Clark - Free
Lowton - £3 million (although it was undisclosed this is the most common figure)
Bannan - Free
Westwood - £2 million (see Lowton)
Holman - Free
Benteke - £7 million
Weimann - Free

A whopping £12million. Or just over half a Downing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on December 16, 2012, 06:47:50 PM: That is a shit team to be fair. As Hansen famously said, you dont win nothing with kids, there again you can beat the bin dippers with a young team
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2012, 07:57:30 PM: Even with the reported £3m for Lowton, his brother laughed at that on Twitter and said it was nothing like that. From what he said, I'm guessing that it was more like £1m (possibly with add-ons).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 08:24:29 PM: Quote from: Dan England on December 16, 2012, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 16, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 16, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
I like Trotter of Millwall but another is midfielder James Henry who we could target as he is out of contract in summer. sort of young creative midfielder to go for.

Andy King from Leicester is another Championship player who plays in the attacking midfield role, though I think he has regressed a little after suffering a couple of bad injuries.

The City fans I know all say he has gone backwards significantly and get's far too much coverage for his ability.

To be fair he's had a number of pretty bad injuries in a short space of time. Shame, because a couple of seasons ago he looked very promising.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 17, 2012, 08:43:37 AM: We've been linked with Harry Forrester this morning. I saw one of his Brentford goals on Goals on Sunday to my dad a few weeks ago and I had a feeling we'd go in for him. Don't know why.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-villa-1493561
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 17, 2012, 09:06:48 AM: Forrestor...it would seem odd. £1m to sign a teenager who we then let walk away for nothing. Another case of mistakes being made due to our unsettled management in the last few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2012, 09:14:35 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 17, 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Forrestor...it would seem odd. £1m to sign a teenager who we then let walk away for nothing. Another case of mistakes being made due to our unsettled management in the last few years.

I seem to remember his mom and been unwell, and he'd wanted to be back down south with his family when he left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 17, 2012, 09:18:11 AM: Very talented youngster who never really played to his ability apart from the isolated brilliant game.
I'd be suprised if there was any truth in this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on December 17, 2012, 09:23:43 AM: Quote from: LeeB on December 17, 2012, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on December 17, 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Forrestor...it would seem odd. £1m to sign a teenager who we then let walk away for nothing. Another case of mistakes being made due to our unsettled management in the last few years.

I seem to remember his mom and been unwell, and he'd wanted to be back down south with his family when he left.

Oh, so that's why he ended up at Brentford. I'd seen him linked with various clubs at home and abroad and couldn't figure why he ended up underneath the M4
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 17, 2012, 09:33:10 AM: Like Joey the snitch? Or Luca "The Rat" Albatore?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 17, 2012, 09:42:20 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 17, 2012, 09:33:10 AM
Like Joey the snitch? Or Luca "The Rat" Albatore?
Or Alex "The Muff" McDuff, recently of this parish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 17, 2012, 12:44:03 PM: Didn't he go to Ajax between leaving us and Brentford
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 17, 2012, 01:02:24 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 17, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
Didn't he go to Ajax between leaving us and Brentford

He had a trial at Ajax.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on December 17, 2012, 01:19:55 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on December 17, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: LeeB on December 17, 2012, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on December 17, 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Forrestor...it would seem odd. £1m to sign a teenager who we then let walk away for nothing. Another case of mistakes being made due to our unsettled management in the last few years.

I seem to remember his mom and been unwell, and he'd wanted to be back down south with his family when he left.

Oh, so that's why he ended up at Brentford. I'd seen him linked with various clubs at home and abroad and couldn't figure why he ended up underneath the M4

Wonder if he still has that awful orange tan he sported in the reserves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 17, 2012, 01:57:49 PM: By Alan Nixon | 16/12/12

Bolton boss Dougie Freedman wants to tie up left back Stephen Warnock on a new deal - with his loan about to end in the next week.

Warnock has been a stand-out during his spell on hire from Aston Villa and Freedman would like to keep him longer as his promotion push begins.

Villa initially let Bolton have Warnock for a low percentage of his salary but may be looking for a bigger contribution to allow him to carry on at the Reebok.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 17, 2012, 02:07:23 PM: I never knew houllier was in charge at New York red bulls- when did he move there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on December 17, 2012, 02:10:40 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 17, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
By Alan Nixon | 16/12/12

Bolton boss Dougie Freedman wants to tie up left back Stephen Warnock on a new deal - with his loan about to end in the next week.

Warnock has been a stand-out during his spell on hire from Aston Villa and Freedman would like to keep him longer as his promotion push begins.

Villa initially let Bolton have Warnock for a low percentage of his salary but may be looking for a bigger contribution to allow him to carry on at the Reebok.

If we can get some more out of them, then great, but I doubt it would amount to all that much in the greater scheme of things, so as long as they're willing to kep him happy days!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on December 17, 2012, 04:30:54 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
Guzan - Free
Lichaj - Free
Baker - Free
Herd - Free
Clark - Free
Lowton - £3 million (although it was undisclosed this is the most common figure)
Bannan - Free
Westwood - £2 million (see Lowton)
Holman - Free
Benteke - £7 million
Weimann - Free

A whopping £12million. Or just over half a Downing.

I know we re-signed him for free, technically, in the summer but we paid Chivas (?) somewhere near £2m for him when we first brought him over didn't we? Listing him as 'free' is stretching things a bit, but still, point taken re:the team value! I wonder what they'd all be worth in today's market though? Quite a bit I'd imagine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 17, 2012, 04:43:07 PM: £600k according to soccer base
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 17, 2012, 04:45:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 17, 2012, 02:07:23 PM
I never knew houllier was in charge at New York red bulls- when did he move there?

It made me curious too, He was appointed global sports director of red bull soccer franchises last year.
So (and this may be wrong) he overseas the Salzburg and New York teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 17, 2012, 06:27:49 PM: Quote from: James on December 17, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 16, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
Guzan - Free
Lichaj - Free
Baker - Free
Herd - Free
Clark - Free
Lowton - £3 million (although it was undisclosed this is the most common figure)
Bannan - Free
Westwood - £2 million (see Lowton)
Holman - Free
Benteke - £7 million
Weimann - Free

A whopping £12million. Or just over half a Downing.

I know we re-signed him for free, technically, in the summer but we paid Chivas (?) somewhere near £2m for him when we first brought him over didn't we? Listing him as 'free' is stretching things a bit, but still, point taken re:the team value! I wonder what they'd all be worth in today's market though? Quite a bit I'd imagine.

I also like that no-one from that team has ever played for another English top flight club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 17, 2012, 07:17:52 PM: I'm sure Lowton's brother around the time said it was a lot less than the reported £3million on twitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 17, 2012, 09:38:27 PM: I remember Harry Forrester scoring two goals in the youth cup final we lost to Chelsea.

Said at the time he reminded me of a young Lee Hendrie.

Clearly he didnt progress here but he's been playing very well for Brentford so will be playing in a higher league soon for someone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on December 18, 2012, 07:49:05 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 17, 2012, 07:17:52 PM
I'm sure Lowton's brother around the time said it was a lot less than the reported £3million on twitter.

I think this is often the case, with the media over inflating the price.
Another case I know of is when Roger Johnson went from blues to Wolves for a reported £7m (I think), A mate, who's a Wolves fan, has business dealings with Jez Moxley. He told me Moxley laughed at that, saying that it was nearer half of what was being quoted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 07:55:44 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 17, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
By Alan Nixon | 16/12/12

Bolton boss Dougie Freedman wants to tie up left back Stephen Warnock
That's what Warnock needed - to be tied up and soundly thrashed to within an inch of his life ... Dougie, go to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 18, 2012, 08:06:54 AM: Could do worrse if Dunne has had his day.

England centre-back Joleon Lescott, 30, may consider a loan move in January after starting just seven games for Manchester City this season.

Full story: The Guardian
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on December 18, 2012, 08:26:55 AM: More likely to be Everton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 18, 2012, 08:43:39 AM: I doubt we'd want to stump up for Lescott's wages. He's probably earning a fortune there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM: If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 08:56:41 AM: Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

Paul Faulkner made a veiled comment yesterday (on the reserves commentary) about senior players not taking responsibility last season and - whilst no one was mentioned - the start of a surname (with a 'W') was referenced.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on December 18, 2012, 09:10:50 AM: Quote from: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 08:56:41 AM
Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

Paul Faulkner made a veiled comment yesterday (on the reserves commentary) about senior players not taking responsibility last season and - whilst no one was mentioned - the start of a surname (with a 'W') was referenced.

I wouldn't say that he was hiding or not trying last season, just that he was shit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2012, 09:10:51 AM: Forrester was offered a place in Ajax's (prestigious) youth set up after his trial there but turned them down in favour of Brentford as his mother was seriously ill and Ajax couldn't commit to how often he'd get time off to go and visit her

I recall the stories about him being a Charlie Big Bollocks when he was here, but the above suggests he has matured a fair amount
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 18, 2012, 09:45:33 AM: From the Mirror:

"

Stoke and Aston Villa are leading a 30-club race to sign Crewe’s latest midfield starlet Luke Murphy.

The 23-year-old has been tipped to follow in the footsteps of Nick Powell who joined Manchester United in the summer.

Stoke boss Tony Pulis has regularly had Murphy watched this season.

But Villa manager Paul Lambert, who is looking to youth, is looking to reunite Murphy with £2 million summer signing Ashley Westwood, who has starred in recent games.

Meanwhile, Nathan Baker believes Aston Villa have “come of age” after opting to play three at the back."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-and-aston-villa-lead-chase-1494741 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-and-aston-villa-lead-chase-1494741)

Should add that he's 6'2", which is why Stoke are mentioned, and chips in with the odd goal, 18 in 144 at Crewe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 12:59:10 PM: Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

I just think we need to continue to move on Andy and would therefore think the likes of Warnock have had their day. He wouldn't fit into the current system as he wouldn't be able to play LCB or LWB, so wouldn't really add anything. We need to try and get some money for him in January if possible, but if not get him out on loan until his contract expires in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 18, 2012, 02:53:40 PM: Which of Zenit's black players are worth going after? They might be going cheap soon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 18, 2012, 02:56:49 PM: Bugger. Looks like we've missed out on our top target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20767767
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2012, 03:02:14 PM: He's too old for us anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on December 18, 2012, 03:08:39 PM: Quote from: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 08:56:41 AM
Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

Paul Faulkner made a veiled comment yesterday (on the reserves commentary) about senior players not taking responsibility last season and - whilst no one was mentioned - the start of a surname (with a 'W') was referenced.

I know a guy who worked for the club until fairly recently and he says that the dressing room atmosphere last season was at times really toxic, because some of the players had cultivated a sort of blame culture, where people were singled out for mistakes they made in games and slated for it. Supposedly, Warnock was the worst for this, particularly towards the younger players.

So, assuming my friend isnt bullshitting, Warnock is crap at football, and an absolute arsehole to boot!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2012, 03:23:30 PM: Quote
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has warned rival clubs off making any bids for his rising young stars during the January transfer window.

Lambert has largely relied upon his rookies this season and his policy has been rewarded with a run of just two defeats in 11 games in all competitions.

Villa have also secured a place in the Capital One Cup semi-finals and produced an impressive performance to win 3-1 at Liverpool in the Premier League on Saturday.

Summer signings Christian Benteke, Matt Lowton and Ashley Westwoodhave all caught the eye, while Barry Bannan and Ciaran Clark have been regulars for Villa, and Lambert is determined to keep his promising youngsters.

"You can never stop people looking but, if you want to buy these players, you'll have to have a few quid," said Lambert.

"There is absolutely no chance we would be looking to sell. We are trying to build something here at Aston Villa and progress.

"There are young guys with a lot to look forward to in the future and it is up to us to try and keep building and get the squad improving.

"It's tough but as far as I am concerned nobody is going anywhere."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2012, 03:25:39 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

I just think we need to continue to move on Andy and would therefore think the likes of Warnock have had their day. He wouldn't fit into the current system as he wouldn't be able to play LCB or LWB, so wouldn't really add anything. We need to try and get some money for him in January if possible, but if not get him out on loan until his contract expires in the summer.

One of the blokes on the Guardian Football Weekly this week said he was talking to the Villa press officer at an event, and he told him that last year there was an atmosphere of "not my fault / not taking responsibility / don't care" which Lambert has got rid of. He mentioned a few names to the journo.

He was pushed to say who the press officer mentioned, and didn't give names other than to make it very clear Warnock was one of them.

If that's true, then there is no way back for him here, and for good reason.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 18, 2012, 03:29:32 PM: As someone said to me a long time ago, give a footballer an excuse and he'll take it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2012, 03:31:17 PM: I wouldn't have Warnock anywhere near the team even if he was playing like Franz Beckenbauer now. He'd instantly turn to shit he was as soon as he put a Villa shirt on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2012, 03:50:23 PM: Quote from: dekko on December 18, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 08:56:41 AM
Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

Paul Faulkner made a veiled comment yesterday (on the reserves commentary) about senior players not taking responsibility last season and - whilst no one was mentioned - the start of a surname (with a 'W') was referenced.

I know a guy who worked for the club until fairly recently and he says that the dressing room atmosphere last season was at times really toxic, because some of the players had cultivated a sort of blame culture, where people were singled out for mistakes they made in games and slated for it. Supposedly, Warnock was the worst for this, particularly towards the younger players.

So, assuming my friend isnt bullshitting, Warnock is crap at football, and an absolute arsehole to boot!

Your mate probably listened to the same podcast I did (see above)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2012, 04:20:50 PM: Not sure if previously mentioned, from the Mirror.

Quote
Norwich boss Chris Hughton plans to raid Championship club Brighton for striker Craig Mackail-Smith and midfielder Liam Bridcutt.
Hughton had a £3million offer for Mackail-Smith rejected in August but is ready to launch a fresh bid for the Scotland international.
The Canaries chief is also battling Aston Villa and Fulham to land former Chelsea player Bridcutt.
The midfielder is out of contract and has yet to agree a new deal at the Amex Stadium.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 18, 2012, 04:25:43 PM: Quote from: cdticklefan on December 18, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Bugger. Looks like we've missed out on our top target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20767767

he has no ambition and is very one footed , we move on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on December 18, 2012, 04:27:34 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
Quote from: dekko on December 18, 2012, 03:08:39 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 18, 2012, 08:56:41 AM
Quote from: andyh on December 18, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
If Warnock has been the stand out player at Bolton, and has his confidence back, then I'd bring him back when his loan ends and add some much needed experience to the squad.

Paul Faulkner made a veiled comment yesterday (on the reserves commentary) about senior players not taking responsibility last season and - whilst no one was mentioned - the start of a surname (with a 'W') was referenced.

I know a guy who worked for the club until fairly recently and he says that the dressing room atmosphere last season was at times really toxic, because some of the players had cultivated a sort of blame culture, where people were singled out for mistakes they made in games and slated for it. Supposedly, Warnock was the worst for this, particularly towards the younger players.

So, assuming my friend isnt bullshitting, Warnock is crap at football, and an absolute arsehole to boot!

Your mate probably listened to the same podcast I did (see above)

Haha I just listened to that, the cheeky git.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 04:32:28 PM: Quote from: cdticklefan on December 18, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Bugger. Looks like we've missed out on our top target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20767767

That is indeed a massive blow. Just out of interest though (accepting of course that it is an insane idea and it's never going to happen), if you were to take him out of Barcelona's team and put him in the current Villa side where would you play him and what kind of impact do you think he would have? Maradona at Napoli impact?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jembob on December 18, 2012, 04:54:25 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: cdticklefan on December 18, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Bugger. Looks like we've missed out on our top target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20767767

That is indeed a massive blow. Just out of interest though (accepting of course that it is an insane idea and it's never going to happen), if you were to take him out of Barcelona's team and put him in the current Villa side where would you play him and what kind of impact do you think he would have? Maradona at Napoli impact?

He'd be brilliant in any team with the exception of SHA, who would even have soured Pele's career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 18, 2012, 05:03:16 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on December 18, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
I wouldn't have Warnock anywhere near the team even if he was playing like Franz Beckenbauer now. He'd instantly turn to shit he was as soon as he put a Villa shirt on.

Stevie Wazza is playing like The Kaiser right now!
The only problem is playing like a 67 year old man, is in fairness pretty rubbish... ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 18, 2012, 05:30:21 PM: Quote from: cdticklefan on December 18, 2012, 02:56:49 PM
Bugger. Looks like we've missed out on our top target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20767767

Puyol will be 38
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 18, 2012, 05:37:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2012, 04:20:50 PM
Not sure if previously mentioned, from the Mirror.

Quote
Norwich boss Chris Hughton plans to raid Championship club Brighton for striker Craig Mackail-Smith and midfielder Liam Bridcutt.
Hughton had a £3million offer for Mackail-Smith rejected in August but is ready to launch a fresh bid for the Scotland international.
The Canaries chief is also battling Aston Villa and Fulham to land former Chelsea player Bridcutt.
The midfielder is out of contract and has yet to agree a new deal at the Amex Stadium.

same article

Hughton was boosted over the weekend when midfielder Wes Hoolahan signed a new three-year contract.

so please can people forget about him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 18, 2012, 06:13:32 PM: Never heard of this Birdcunt bloke. Did he ever play for the first team at Chelsea?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 18, 2012, 08:51:51 PM: A very unfortunate superhero moniker ruined a promising career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on December 18, 2012, 09:33:40 PM: Bridcutt,a holding midfielder,is highly rated by Brighton fans on their forum.Huddersfield and Charlton fans have also expressed their admiration.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on December 18, 2012, 11:50:37 PM: The Mail has us favourites to sign Finnish U17 international Obed Malolo who is 15 and plays for HJK Helsinki
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on December 19, 2012, 07:59:17 AM: Anybody know anything about Chris Woods , Millwall striker on loan from the Baggies?

Scored 2 against Brighton last night and is regarded highly by Gus Poyet....worth a punt at a mil?.

We could always sell him on to Arsene as he rebuilds his Brit based team.....sorry CB no going there now!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: robbo1874 on December 19, 2012, 07:59:48 AM: I read in the Grauniad that Chelsea are offloading Sturridge to Liverpool in jan. wondering if they are considering a cheeky crazy bid for the beast (or bent more realistically)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 19, 2012, 08:04:38 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on December 19, 2012, 07:59:48 AM
I read in the Grauniad that Chelsea are offloading Sturridge to Liverpool in jan. wondering if they are considering a cheeky crazy bid for the beast (or bent more realistically)

Chelsea've been linked with a guy in France who is referred to as the "Junior Drogba" - can't recall his name right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 19, 2012, 10:33:38 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on December 19, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Anybody know anything about Chris Woods , Millwall striker on loan from the Baggies?

Scored 2 against Brighton last night and is regarded highly by Gus Poyet....worth a punt at a mil?.

New Zealand's best player!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 19, 2012, 10:45:55 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on December 19, 2012, 07:59:48 AM
I read in the Grauniad that Chelsea are offloading Sturridge to Liverpool in jan. wondering if they are considering a cheeky crazy bid for the beast (or bent more realistically)

Against uefa rules for a player to play for 3 teams in a season I believe so no chance of benteke leaving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: robbo1874 on December 19, 2012, 10:48:11 AM: Bent would score for fun in that Chelsea side though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 10:59:06 AM: I dont think there's any chance of Benteke leaving in the next two seasons period. If that happened Villa may as well pack up and fold. The fans have a new hero, the club have a marketing vehicle and more importantly somebody to score the goals we need to get up the table and rake more coin in/win silverware etc. If they threw that away too soon it would be criminal stupidity. Also, there would be rioting.

No chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on December 19, 2012, 11:05:04 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
I dont think there's any chance of Benteke leaving in the next two seasons period. If that happened Villa may as well pack up and fold. The fans have a new hero, the club have a marketing vehicle and more importantly somebody to score the goals we need to get up the table and rake more coin in/win silverware etc. If they threw that away too soon it would be criminal stupidity. Also, there would be rioting.

No chance.
I agree to an extent, but (hypothetically speaking) if he angles for a move, what then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM: He doesn't get it. Not before it suits us in some way.
There's nothing in it for us in the near future. Yes, if he maintains his form for a couple of years and we arent challenging for something then it will be diificult to keep him. Especially when £30m offers start coming in.

Until then, lets just enjoy him. The big boys (before we join them again) will be after more famous, expensive fish in the meantime anyway. The likes of Villa, Falcao, Llorente and so on.

Actually, lets sell Bent and go and put a Bid in for Llorente.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 19, 2012, 11:40:19 AM: Quote from: Mister E on December 19, 2012, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on December 19, 2012, 07:59:48 AM
I read in the Grauniad that Chelsea are offloading Sturridge to Liverpool in jan. wondering if they are considering a cheeky crazy bid for the beast (or bent more realistically)

Chelsea've been linked with a guy in France who is referred to as the "Junior Drogba" - can't recall his name right now.

They're clearing the way for Falcao.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:07:51 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Actually, lets sell Bent and go and put a Bid in for Llorente.

Or Sturridge. Some media reports suggesting that he is available for £12m and his wages are around around £60,000 a week. Probably would be affordable if Bent leaves and he could also play as the wide option in a 4-2-3-1.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on December 19, 2012, 12:12:19 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
I dont think there's any chance of Benteke leaving in the next two seasons period. If that happened Villa may as well pack up and fold. The fans have a new hero, the club have a marketing vehicle and more importantly somebody to score the goals we need to get up the table and rake more coin in/win silverware etc. If they threw that away too soon it would be criminal stupidity. Also, there would be rioting.

No chance.

They appointed TSM. Anything is possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on December 19, 2012, 12:14:16 PM: I can see some big changes ahead at Chelsea, total rebuild. Might, just might see Cahill coming back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on December 19, 2012, 12:32:17 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Actually, lets sell Bent and go and put a Bid in for Llorente.

Or Sturridge. Some media reports suggesting that he is available for £12m and his wages are around around £60,000 a week. Probably would be affordable if Bent leaves and he could also play as the wide option in a 4-2-3-1.
Definite no to Sturridge for me. If that sort of money was available for one player, I'd trust Lambert to spend it much more wisely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 12:35:15 PM: Vey unlikely. I'd rather put our faith in Baker, Vlaar and Clark anyway with perhaps one other, cheaper option coming in. Cahill would cost a fortune. I also dont see him leaving Chelsea either.

Sturridge, well I'm a fan of his ability and wary of his attitude but disappointed he's going to Liverpool (if he is). Likewise Ince.
I think that's (potentially) two good signings for Liverpool to be honest.

But having said that, the system we play or look likely to use most is perhaps not compatible with Ince. An out and out winger I daresay is not on the cards for Lambert as he likes midfielders who cover inside and out rather than specialists.
Sturridge could conceiveably play up front partnering Benteke but would probably want guaranteed starts and with Weimann developing so nicely alongside Benteke I wouldn't want that.

Anybody coming here will have to be part of a squad and earn their place or they go elsewhere.
There's also a value for money issue and with that in mind I reckon Lambert will be casting his net in Europe and the lower leagues and more power to him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 19, 2012, 12:41:08 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on December 19, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Actually, lets sell Bent and go and put a Bid in for Llorente.

Or Sturridge. Some media reports suggesting that he is available for £12m and his wages are around around £60,000 a week. Probably would be affordable if Bent leaves and he could also play as the wide option in a 4-2-3-1.
Definite no to Sturridge for me. If that sort of money was available for one player, I'd trust Lambert to spend it much more wisely.
Sturridge has an attitude problem IMO, and anyone who tries arrogantly dinking penalties over goalkeepers gets short shrift from me unless they are infallible penalty takers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:46:46 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on December 19, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Actually, lets sell Bent and go and put a Bid in for Llorente.

Or Sturridge. Some media reports suggesting that he is available for £12m and his wages are around around £60,000 a week. Probably would be affordable if Bent leaves and he could also play as the wide option in a 4-2-3-1.
Definite no to Sturridge for me. If that sort of money was available for one player, I'd trust Lambert to spend it much more wisely.

Fair point Ger. If we were to spend that kind of money on one player then I suppose we have more pressing priorities than bringing in a forward at this time. I rate Sturridge though and think he will make an impact given the chance to play regularly and in his preferred position as a striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2012, 12:59:20 PM: The problem with Sturridge is that his reputation massively exceeds his accomplishments. He has the potential to be a very good player but, so far, he hasn't really stepped up to a level worthy of his wages and the fee they'd be asking.

For example I've never seen him dismantle a defense like Benteke has in the last 2 games. He had a run at Bolton where it looked like he was going to make the transition from potential to genuine quality but it fell away again and then again he had a purple patch last year before falling away again, as a 24 year who has been around the premier league for 6-7 years now he needs to start offering a lot more consistency to justify his wages. He made a mistake in signing for Chelsea when he did and would've been much better served having a year or 2 to establish himself at a club with less expectation, but if you're offered 60k a week to play for a club with a chance of silverware you wouldn't say no I guess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Colhint on December 19, 2012, 01:07:16 PM: I want Lambert to put a photo of sturridge on his wall along with one of Jack Rodwell, Scot Sinclair, Charlie Adam, Edin Dzeko, Demitri Berbatov, Adam Johnson Macheda and to a lesser extent Milner and Hernandez.

So when one of our lot is tempted by a move, he can just turn around and say you remind me of one of these
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2012, 01:26:40 PM: Quote from: Colhint on December 19, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
I want Lambert to put a photo of sturridge on his wall along with one of Jack Rodwell, Scot Sinclair, Charlie Adam, Edin Dzeko, Demitri Berbatov, Adam Johnson Macheda and to a lesser extent Milner and Hernandez.

So when one of our lot is tempted by a move, he can just turn around and say you remind me of one of these

Don't agree with Berbatov being on that list, he started at a massive club, took a step down to big club and then went back to a massive club, and was successful (to varying levels) at all of them. He's now stepped down a level again but that's mainly due to him being at the tail end of a very good career.

Sidwell is my favourite example, 1 good season in the prem before he jumped at the money offered by chelsea where he barely played for a year and then had a few stop start years with us and ditto with Fulham. He's starting to look decent again this year but he effectively lost 6 years which should have been the peak of his career thanks to that move to Chelsea, I'd be amazed if he doesn't massively regret that decision.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Colhint on December 19, 2012, 01:28:44 PM: OK take Berbatov off and put Sidwell up, no problem with that, the principle remains
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 19, 2012, 01:29:29 PM: There's a name missing from that list. Some prick who commanded big money as a winger and is now only getting games as a full back because the club's first two choices are unavailable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Colhint on December 19, 2012, 01:32:33 PM: bloody hell we'll get a full team soon
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on December 19, 2012, 01:33:52 PM: Is this so called winger playing for a team that used to be good, but now is back to the bare bones of "quality", and yet said "winger" still cant cement a place? A player that at his last club, one who nutured him from long injury to holding a regular place in the England squad, and suggested he really owed that fantastic club, just before facking off..... Nah, dont know who you mean
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2012, 01:43:40 PM: If we're going to include wingers who were great for a club and then left for big money only to do very little at their new club we can look a bit closer to home.

Making an example of a current squad member might not be the best idea though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 19, 2012, 01:44:39 PM: I think Shaun Wright Phillips and Joe Cole could be added to the list, both league winners,
but both have had (imho) underwhelming careers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 19, 2012, 02:03:45 PM: Scott Parker too wasted years of his career at Chelsea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 19, 2012, 02:07:08 PM: Preferably all these pictures would be of them sitting on the bench or up in the stands too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Colhint on December 19, 2012, 02:27:59 PM: Quote from: OCD on December 19, 2012, 02:07:08 PM
Preferably all these pictures would be of them sitting on the bench or up in the stands too.

yup I like that idea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 19, 2012, 02:30:16 PM: With their face mooning out over the collar of an oversized coat as they sink into their Recaro seat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 19, 2012, 02:35:30 PM: Some of these younger, English players need to recognise they may be better playing every week at a Villa, Fulham etc than sitting on the bench most weeks at City etc. Rodwell & Sinclair have both made errors in my opinion going to City. But, good luck to them, it's a short career and they need to mazimise their earning potential.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 02:42:32 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 19, 2012, 02:35:30 PM
Some of these younger, English players need to recognise they may be better playing every week at a Villa, Fulham etc than sitting on the bench most weeks at City etc. Rodwell & Sinclair have both made errors in my opinion going to City. But, good luck to them, it's a short career and they need to mazimise their earning potential.

Agents have to take some of the blame as well. Of course they are going to encourage their clients to take big money offers, especially when it involves them lining their pockets as well. It is an issue that is affecting the game in this country though, as it weakens the overall standard of the league and has a detrimental affect at international level as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 19, 2012, 02:44:15 PM: I don't think any player looks at themselves (or their ability) as objectively as that.
They've made it as professionals by backing themselves. I'm sure Chicarito signed for United
because he thought he'd establish himself as a first team player. He didn't sign up thinking "crikey I'm never
gonna get a game here in front of Rooney Owen Berbatov etc".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on December 19, 2012, 03:58:16 PM: Don't forget the 'big' clubs buy up the young up and coming talent so that the selling club is weakened and any threat is neutered.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 19, 2012, 04:11:02 PM: Don't worry so much. As long as there is fairly equitable distribution of domestic and world TV rights, we can be successful. As they increase, match-day and Champions League income will become gradually less significant. Let's not forget that for years, Liverpool maintained their position in the top four through borrowing, and Citeh and Chelsea bought their way in, in a way that might not be allowed in future.

The key to our future is Lambert's carrying on as he's started and the academy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2012, 06:11:47 PM: I wouldn't bank on CL money becoming particularly less significant, it might not go up as much as domestic, shared TV revenues will, but it's still a huge amount of money. It's also not just about having the cash, it is also about playing in that league and the effect this has on being able to attract the better players.

Good point about the sharing of domestic and world TV rights. If that ever changed, the inequality situation would get much worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 19, 2012, 06:22:26 PM: Lambert is doing great job plus our excellent academy. Together with adjustment and more financial backing we could go very very far. We doesn't need to spend billions. I think a certain Doug Ellis would love Paul Lambert as Villa manager while he is in charge. Could we see a blockbuster signing in near future ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on December 19, 2012, 07:10:32 PM: the sweet to play at half time?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 19, 2012, 07:12:27 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 19, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Lambert is doing great job plus our excellent academy. Together with adjustment and more financial backing we could go very very far. We doesn't need to spend billions. I think a certain Doug Ellis would love Paul Lambert as Villa manager while he is in charge. Could we see a blockbuster signing in near future ?

Wasn't Savo a Blockbuster (video) signing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 19, 2012, 07:54:54 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 19, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
Don't worry so much. As long as there is fairly equitable distribution of domestic and world TV rights, we can be successful. As they increase, match-day and Champions League income will become gradually less significant. Let's not forget that for years, Liverpool maintained their position in the top four through borrowing, and Citeh and Chelsea bought their way in, in a way that might not be allowed in future.

The key to our future is Lambert's carrying on as he's started and the academy.

Some great points there Percy. Really dont think any players that will cost massive fee`s and wages sit comfortable wilth PL. Think he wants that young and hungry factor early when he signs them and his philosophy and hard work ethic is installed .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 19, 2012, 08:02:30 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 19, 2012, 07:12:27 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 19, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Lambert is doing great job plus our excellent academy. Together with adjustment and more financial backing we could go very very far. We doesn't need to spend billions. I think a certain Doug Ellis would love Paul Lambert as Villa manager while he is in charge. Could we see a blockbuster signing in near future ?

Wasn't Savo a Blockbuster (video) signing?

Without a doubt. Probably one of the signings that excited me the most in the Ellis era. Apart from Collymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on December 19, 2012, 08:27:59 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 19, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 19, 2012, 07:12:27 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 19, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
Lambert is doing great job plus our excellent academy. Together with adjustment and more financial backing we could go very very far. We doesn't need to spend billions. I think a certain Doug Ellis would love Paul Lambert as Villa manager while he is in charge. Could we see a blockbuster signing in near future ?

Wasn't Savo a Blockbuster (video) signing?

Without a doubt. Probably one of the signings that excited me the most in the Ellis era. Apart from Collymore.

Proving that life under Elllis never provided real pleasure. The creator of Aston Manor lager could only be keener on profit than people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Garyth on December 19, 2012, 08:57:27 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on December 19, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Anybody know anything about Chris Woods , Millwall striker on loan from the Baggies?

Scored 2 against Brighton last night and is regarded highly by Gus Poyet....worth a punt at a mil?.

As a NZer I'd love this. Strong and skilful. In my mind he's a a bit like Weimann, and does a lot of work off the ball which would be the sort of thing Lambert would be into I'd think. He's been out on loan a lot, and kept up a fairly good goalscoring record, if memory serves. Just a question if he can do it consistently in top flight.

Edit: typos, doh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PGW on December 19, 2012, 09:02:47 PM: Chris Woods was at Small Heath last season on loan wasnt he!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 19, 2012, 10:23:10 PM: Quote from: PGW on December 19, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
Chris Woods was at Small Heath last season on loan wasnt he!!!!

you would think they could only afford the goalie Chris Woods
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 19, 2012, 11:13:30 PM: John Guidetti on loan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9756971/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-targets-Manchester-City-forward-John-Guidetti-to-bolster-his-forward-line.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 19, 2012, 11:19:31 PM: Shame he is on such a long term deal there. As such I would sooner buy someone than develop someone ahead of Weiman.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 19, 2012, 11:47:26 PM: I see no sense whatsoever in loaning Guidetti unless there's an option to buy in there somewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 12:26:44 AM: Agreed. I'm all for signing Guidetti but not if we cant keep him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on December 20, 2012, 12:33:16 AM: Guidetti loan would provide more forward cover and probably mean that Bent could leave .Lambert would then have more funds to reinforce other areas.Makes sense to me.With Citeh's resources ,Guidetti might not get enough game time in future and once he's experienced the privilege of pulling a claret and blue shirt...who knows ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on December 20, 2012, 07:27:12 AM: Quote from: Garyth on December 19, 2012, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on December 19, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Anybody know anything about Chris Woods , Millwall striker on loan from the Baggies?

Scored 2 against Brighton last night and is regarded highly by Gus Poyet....worth a punt at a mil?.

As a NZer I'd love this. Strong and skilful. In my mind he's a a bit like Weimann, and does a lot of work off the ball which would be the sort of thing Lambert would be into I'd think. He's been out on loan a lot, and kept up a fairly good goalscoring record, if memory serves. Just a question if he can do it consistently in top flight.

Edit: typos, doh.

This issue I would have with Chris Woods is that he is a target man, but not in the same class as The Beast or Andi Weimann. He is still young though (around 21) and has started to really develop his game in the past couple of years. He will carry on improving, but so will Benteke and Weimann.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on December 20, 2012, 08:10:17 AM: Quote from: Steve Rose on December 19, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
I see no sense whatsoever in loaning Guidetti unless there's an option to buy in there somewhere.

I saw Guidetti play a few times for Feyenoord and he is a very good player. However, I'm in two minds over a loan deal. On the one hand if he helps us improve our scoring and league position it would be great, but on the other hand, it would come at the cost of Weimann's development and we'd certainly lose him back to Citeh at the end of the loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 20, 2012, 08:26:13 AM: Villa are also lining up a £1m move for Crystal Palace striker Glenn Murray, 29. With 20 goals this season, Murray is the Championship's top scorer and his former Eagles manager Dougie Freedman, now Bolton boss, is keen to take him even further north.

Full story: Daily Star
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2012, 09:40:56 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 20, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
Villa are also lining up a £1m move for Crystal Palace striker Glenn Murray, 29. With 20 goals this season, Murray is the Championship's top scorer and his former Eagles manager Dougie Freedman, now Bolton boss, is keen to take him even further north.

Full story: Daily Star

That link seems so at odds with everything we've seen that I can't decide whether it's nonsense or if it being so far outside PLs previous deals makes it more likely as there is no logical reason to make it up...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Garyth on December 20, 2012, 09:41:20 AM: Quote from: Lambstewbert on December 20, 2012, 07:27:12 AM

This issue I would have with Chris Woods is that he is a target man, but not in the same class as The Beast or Andi Weimann. He is still young though (around 21) and has started to really develop his game in the past couple of years. He will carry on improving, but so will Benteke and Weimann.

Yeah, exactly. As much as I'd personally like my football worlds to come together, I don't really see much value in it for Aston Villa or Woods - he'd just end up being what he is now, a good backup to the first choice players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 20, 2012, 10:01:51 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 20, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
Villa are also lining up a £1m move for Crystal Palace striker Glenn Murray, 29. With 20 goals this season, Murray is the Championship's top scorer and his former Eagles manager Dougie Freedman, now Bolton boss, is keen to take him even further north.

Full story: Daily Star

I like the look of Yannick Bolasie there , talking to my palace season ticket holder father in law , he has been raving about him too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 10:07:37 AM: I'm all in favour for us bringing in another striker, especially as Bent will be off. I hope it's at Gabby's expense and not Weimanns.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 20, 2012, 10:11:07 AM: Quote from: paul_e on December 20, 2012, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 20, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
Villa are also lining up a £1m move for Crystal Palace striker Glenn Murray, 29. With 20 goals this season, Murray is the Championship's top scorer and his former Eagles manager Dougie Freedman, now Bolton boss, is keen to take him even further north.

Full story: Daily Star

That link seems so at odds with everything we've seen that I can't decide whether it's nonsense or if it being so far outside PLs previous deals makes it more likely as there is no logical reason to make it up...

We're building for the future, but the club won't be adverse to spending 1 million, if he improves
us in the short term. That's how I'd look at it. That being said its probably B.S
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on December 20, 2012, 10:21:20 AM: Quote from: claretandbeer on December 20, 2012, 12:33:16 AM
Guidetti loan would provide more forward cover and probably mean that Bent could leave .Lambert would then have more funds to reinforce other areas.Makes sense to me.With Citeh's resources ,Guidetti might not get enough game time in future and once he's experienced the privilege of pulling a claret and blue shirt...who knows ?

If Guidetti has a good half season with us and goes back we might get favourable terms for a cast off - possibly Milner? Who I think would do a good job alongside our youngsters and add experience. Or even that one with a fat arse!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:16:43 AM: Can we get a word filter for our former square jawed Geordie midfielder who took the money and ran North? I'm frankly fed up of having to pointlessly read his name and at least a filter would give me some light relief for the first month or so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 11:18:47 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Can we get a word filter for our former square jawed Geordie midfielder who took the money and ran North? I'm frankly fed up of having to pointlessly read his name and at least a filter would give me some light relief for the first month or so.

Who?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 20, 2012, 11:23:18 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Can we get a word filter for our former square jawed Geordie midfielder who took the money and ran North? I'm frankly fed up of having to pointlessly read his name and at least a filter would give me some light relief for the first month or so.

Downing would probably regard being called a Geordie the biggest insult of all.
A bit like calling Gary Neville a scouser!
If you are referring to Milner he's from Leeds which is even further from geordieland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2012, 11:24:08 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Can we get a word filter for our former square jawed Geordie midfielder who took the money and ran North? I'm frankly fed up of having to pointlessly read his name and at least a filter would give me some light relief for the first month or so.
If you mean James Milner, he's from Horsforth, Leeds. It's north, but not "a small town in Scotland".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:32:08 AM: Sorry long night and suffering post xmas party headthis am. Still my point stands. Pointless gibbering about former players is so last year, and this year and boring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM: I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on December 20, 2012, 11:52:23 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.

Many of those who have left would have been happy to stay - but could not resist the silly money they were offered.

Some like Downing do not fall into that category but IMO Milner does, and so do a couple of others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on December 20, 2012, 11:56:15 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.
Wasn't M**ner pissed off with O'***** as he hadn't asked to leave, but O'***** had told the press that he had?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on December 20, 2012, 12:29:17 PM: Does he bring experience?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/transfer-talk/news/david-villa-to-join-swansea_60199.html

Good name fit though!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on December 20, 2012, 12:36:27 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on December 20, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.
Wasn't M**ner pissed off with O'***** as he hadn't asked to leave, but O'***** had told the press that he had?

It reminds me of the Mrs Merton question to Debbie McGee, "so why did you marry multi millionaire Paul Daniels?".

"So James, why did you join the club with the wealthiest owner in European football?". He might have had issues with the manager but if Man City weren't sniffing around I'm sure he'd have been able to get on with things.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 02:13:48 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on December 20, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Does he bring experience?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/transfer-talk/news/david-villa-to-join-swansea_60199.html

Good name fit though!

Is this a joke? Villa is one of the best strikers in the world. Have I missed something?
If he's due to leave Barcelona, why? and also, why wouldn't the biggest clubs in the world be lining up for him?

Swansea my arse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 20, 2012, 02:23:30 PM: has he not come back well from his leg break ??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2012, 02:26:22 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on December 20, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Does he bring experience?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/transfer-talk/news/david-villa-to-join-swansea_60199.html

Good name fit though!

Is this a joke? Villa is one of the best strikers in the world. Have I missed something?
If he's due to leave Barcelona, why? and also, why wouldn't the biggest clubs in the world be lining up for him?

Swansea my arse.

He's also likely on a very steep six figure salary and would have the pick of a number of elite sides in Europe if made available. He isn't ending his career with us and certainly not Swansea. Like Raul, he has lots to offer and should he leavue I expect him to go and play in France or Germany.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on December 20, 2012, 02:28:58 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on December 20, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on December 20, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.
Wasn't M**ner pissed off with O'***** as he hadn't asked to leave, but O'***** had told the press that he had?

It reminds me of the Mrs Merton question to Debbie McGee, "so why did you marry multi millionaire Paul Daniels?".

"So James, why did you join the club with the wealthiest owner in European football?". He might have had issues with the manager but if Man City weren't sniffing around I'm sure he'd have been able to get on with things.
For me, there's a big difference between leaving and asking to leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 20, 2012, 02:34:42 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on December 20, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Does he bring experience?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/transfer-talk/news/david-villa-to-join-swansea_60199.html

Good name fit though!

Is this a joke? Villa is one of the best strikers in the world. Have I missed something?
If he's due to leave Barcelona, why? and also, why wouldn't the biggest clubs in the world be lining up for him?

Swansea my arse.

I think it may just be a fanciful (and tenuous) connection due to Laudrup being their manager.
Not too dissimilar to the Benzema rumours when Houllier was here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 20, 2012, 02:42:29 PM: Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert could make a cheeky £2million bid for Crystal Palace striker Glenn Murray. (The Sun)

Aston Villa will have to battle it out with Sunderland to sign Manchester City striker John Guidetti, 20, on loan for the rest of the season. (Daily Telegraph)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on December 20, 2012, 02:53:16 PM: Don't really want to develop any of Man Shitty's prospects for them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 03:01:10 PM: Its possible they put him on a new contract to get the most money for him. I'm not sure I can see Man City having the patience to let a youngster develop any more and if their plan is to loan him out to develop then I suggest we dont partake.
Really would like to sign him permanently though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on December 20, 2012, 07:29:43 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on December 20, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 20, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
I don't want any former players back that asked to leave us.
Wasn't M**ner pissed off with O'***** as he hadn't asked to leave, but O'***** had told the press that he had?

A certain poster on this site hinted that Milner was pissed off with O'***** but was looking for a transfer late in April/early May well before the press report. But I wouldn't say he hadn't already been tapped up by Barry whilst on England duty.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 20, 2012, 11:32:33 PM: Can anyone really see Guidetti getting a sniff at City with Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez and Balotelli all there?

If Balotelli leaves in January, they'll just get in Llorente, Falcao or whoever to replace him rather than promote Guidetti.

I think it's fair to say if we got him in on loan and he did well it wouldn't be too difficult to get him here permanently unlike say Kyle Walker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2012, 11:52:39 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 20, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
I think it's fair to say if we got him in on loan and he did well it wouldn't be too difficult to get him here permanently unlike say Kyle Walker.
I don't think his future will be at Man City.

But I think it'll probably be one of those situations where he goes on loan, score 8-10 goals in the second half of a season and goes abroad for around £10m,. A Valencia, Hamburg, Atletico Madrid to replace Falcao, Fiorentina et cetera.

I don't think he'll be one to stick around in the Premier League.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2012, 12:45:44 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on December 20, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Can we get a word filter for our former square jawed Yorkshire midfielder who took the money and ran North? I'm frankly fed up of having to pointlessly read his name and at least a filter would give me some light relief for the first month or so.

Agreed. Lee Evan's nephew has moved on from us, 'bout time we did the same.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 21, 2012, 09:29:07 AM: Chris Wood is an interesting one. Wherever he's gone on loan he's scored goals. There's an half decent striker there who might be worth a gamble on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on December 21, 2012, 10:10:57 AM: Will be interesting to see if there is any foreign onlookers at the Spurs game. With the european leagues closing for the winter break it would be an opportune time to show any prospective signings around Bodymoor Heath and VP.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 21, 2012, 01:55:56 PM: Latest from nursey-

@JamesNursey: Told #AVFC do not have a specific policy or plan to sell Darren Bent this January BUT would cash in on him if they get a decent offer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on December 21, 2012, 04:05:18 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 21, 2012, 01:55:56 PM
Latest from nursey-

@JamesNursey: Told #AVFC do not have a specific policy or plan to sell Darren Bent this January BUT would cash in on him if they get a decent offer

I just have this strange feeling he will not go until the Summer - who will buy him now Liverpool are sorted for a striker?
Newcastle - Nope; QPR - back with 'Arry? - nope; Everton - no money; Martinoneilssunnerlan? Nope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 21, 2012, 04:20:42 PM: Qpr , Fulham or Newcastle are the only teams who may be interested I would imagine .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 21, 2012, 04:22:57 PM: Bent would be ideal for Chelsk.Different style of football, they nned a finisher, we require a more all-rounder.Arse would'nt be that bad a move either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 21, 2012, 04:59:33 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 21, 2012, 04:22:57 PM

Bent would be ideal for Chelsk.Different style of football, they nned a finisher, we require a more all-rounder.Arse would'nt be that bad a move either.

Chelsea is not a bad shout actually. For them, it's not much money and I suspect Bent would be quite happy being part of a bigger squad and not necessarily playing every week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 21, 2012, 05:07:24 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 21, 2012, 04:22:57 PM

Bent would be ideal for Chelsk.Different style of football, they nned a finisher, we require a more all-rounder.Arse would'nt be that bad a move either.

Bent would score shitloads of goals for arsenal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 21, 2012, 05:14:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 21, 2012, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 21, 2012, 04:22:57 PM

Bent would be ideal for Chelsk.Different style of football, they nned a finisher, we require a more all-rounder.Arse would'nt be that bad a move either.

Bent would score shitloads of goals for arsenal.

Never happen, in my opinion. The only striker Wenger has signed who was similar to Bent was Franny Jeffers and we all know how that turned out. Bent is just not an Arsenal type striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 21, 2012, 05:20:07 PM: I'm a big fan of Torres but Bent would have put away the majority of the chances he's missed whilst he's been at Chelsea.

As for Bent, i think he'll be here until the end of the season personally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 21, 2012, 05:33:07 PM: I would think if we are clever, we could go to a european club and do a deal for their midfielder/winger for Bent and we can save money on wages bill. Like John Carew type deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 21, 2012, 06:21:11 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 21, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
I would think if we are clever, we could go to a european club and do a deal for their midfielder/winger for Bent and we can save money on wages bill. Like John Carew type deal.

Not saying we could get him but hypothetically offering Bent for Wesley Sneijder would be dreamland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2012, 07:49:55 PM: Given the name was mentioned earlier, David Villa would be a dream loan if he's available.

Him and Weimann playing off CB would be devastating, and it would a huge signal that we need to be taken seriously if we got someone like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 21, 2012, 07:54:50 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 20, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on December 20, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on December 20, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
Does he bring experience?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/transfer-talk/news/david-villa-to-join-swansea_60199.html

Good name fit though!

Is this a joke? Villa is one of the best strikers in the world. Have I missed something?
If he's due to leave Barcelona, why? and also, why wouldn't the biggest clubs in the world be lining up for him?

Swansea my arse.

He's also likely on a very steep six figure salary and would have the pick of a number of elite sides in Europe if made available. He isn't ending his career with us and certainly not Swansea. Like Raul, he has lots to offer and should he leavue I expect him to go and play in France or Germany.

Under normal circumstances I'd agree. But with the colossal new TV deal coming in even the likes of Swansea might be able to dwarf the salaries offered by some of the bigger French and German clubs.

It's mortgaging their future to a certain extent, but a well run club (which I believe they are) could probably afford one mental deal. It's when you've got 5/6 underperforming players on big wages (and some of them not even playing) that you get problems.

Not saying he'll go there, bit it isn't as ludicrous an idea as it once might have been.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 21, 2012, 07:58:22 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 21, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 21, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
I would think if we are clever, we could go to a european club and do a deal for their midfielder/winger for Bent and we can save money on wages bill. Like John Carew type deal.

Not saying we could get him but hypothetically offering Bent for Wesley Sneijder would be dreamland.

Wesley Sneijder and cash for Alan Hutton seems fair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 21, 2012, 08:38:31 PM: It would have to be a big cash offer for us to lose Hutton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 21, 2012, 08:53:24 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 20, 2012, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 20, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
I think it's fair to say if we got him in on loan and he did well it wouldn't be too difficult to get him here permanently unlike say Kyle Walker.
I don't think his future will be at Man City.

But I think it'll probably be one of those situations where he goes on loan, score 8-10 goals in the second half of a season and goes abroad for around £10m,. A Valencia, Hamburg, Atletico Madrid to replace Falcao, Fiorentina et cetera.

I don't think he'll be one to stick around in the Premier League.

Yeah could be similar to Rossi when he was at Man. United.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 21, 2012, 09:15:14 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on December 21, 2012, 07:58:22 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on December 21, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 21, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
I would think if we are clever, we could go to a european club and do a deal for their midfielder/winger for Bent and we can save money on wages bill. Like John Carew type deal.

Not saying we could get him but hypothetically offering Bent for Wesley Sneijder would be dreamland.

Wesley Sneijder and cash for Alan Hutton seems fair.

Hutton would be the type of maquee signing Inter need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 21, 2012, 09:30:12 PM: Hutton would fill the hole left by Maicon leaving
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2012, 10:12:21 PM: As cheltenhamlion says, it would have to be a big cash offer to lose Alan Hutton.

But we can afford it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 21, 2012, 10:43:02 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 21, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Hutton would fill the hole left by Maicon leaving

Oh yes - the Brazilian Cafu; the perfect replacement for Maicon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2012, 11:42:17 PM: Quote from: OCD on December 21, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 21, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Hutton would fill the hole left by Maicon leaving

Oh yes - the Brazilian Cafu; the perfect replacement for Maicon.
I think that Cafu was the Brazilian Cafu.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 22, 2012, 12:42:19 AM: Judging by the way he plays, Hutton has to be at least half Brazilian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2012, 01:16:40 AM: Hows Jean II doing with Rennes does anyone know?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on December 22, 2012, 09:52:18 AM: Quote from: Steve Rose on December 22, 2012, 12:42:19 AM
Judging by the way he plays, Hutton has to be at least half Brazilian.

I always thought he was 100% Brazilian - a fanny with no hair
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 22, 2012, 10:48:23 AM: I see mon is chasing distin again, maybe he will come in for dunne instead.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 22, 2012, 10:51:04 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
As cheltenhamlion says, it would have to be a big cash offer to lose Alan Hutton.

But we can afford it.

Think outside the box with this one though.
He goes and Wetherspoons trade in and around Birminghan will plummet, with the result of quite a few staff losing their jobs.

Is that what you want?
Cos' that's what will happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfc_1874 on December 22, 2012, 10:51:16 AM: Quote from: eamonn on December 22, 2012, 01:16:40 AM
Hows Jean II doing with Rennes does anyone know?

I saw him play about a month ago. He got sent off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2012, 01:22:07 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2012, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: OCD on December 21, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 21, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Hutton would fill the hole left by Maicon leaving

Oh yes - the Brazilian Cafu; the perfect replacement for Maicon.
I think that Cafu was the Brazilian Cafu.

Oops! Well I will post on here before I go to bed. Of course, I meant the Scottish Cafu.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2012, 01:40:07 PM: Maicon's Scottish?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2012, 02:18:59 PM: No but McLeish probably thinks Scotland have their own version.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2012, 09:11:16 PM: Kone played well for Wigan today and has scored a few this season.

Worth a punt if Bent goes?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2012, 10:05:42 PM: Clueless with his left foot from what I saw earlier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2012, 10:16:35 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2012, 09:11:16 PM
Kone played well for Wigan today and has scored a few this season.

Worth a punt if Bent goes?

Kone's always been rated, and he's done well this season. I imagine he'd cost a few quid though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on December 23, 2012, 03:15:42 AM: Kone is a good player, but I suspect our days of being second time buyers have passed. There'll be others out there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 23, 2012, 09:02:26 AM: Kone misses so many chances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2012, 09:06:20 AM: Just to add a few extra zzzzzz pages to the thread (from the beeb gossip column):

"Manchester City are planning an overhaul of their player recruitment policy as they look to cut down on a wage bill that has risen above £200m-per-year. Defender Joleon Lescott, 30, midfielder Gareth Barry, 31, midfielder James Milner, 26, striker Edin Dzeko, 26, and striker Mario Balotelli, 22, could all be sold to help the drive."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 09:21:14 AM: If it's true that Diame at West Ham has a £3.5m get out clause in his contract, he'd be worth bringing in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 09:22:29 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2012, 09:06:20 AM
Just to add a few extra zzzzzz pages to the thread (from the beeb gossip column):

"Manchester City are planning an overhaul of their player recruitment policy as they look to cut down on a wage bill that has risen above £200m-per-year. Defender Joleon Lescott, 30, midfielder Gareth Barry, 31, midfielder James Milner, 26, striker Edin Dzeko, 26, and striker Mario Balotelli, 22, could all be sold to help the drive."

I'd take Milner back in a flash and Barry, maybe, if the price was right. None of the others though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 23, 2012, 09:33:21 AM: The bloke at Wigan - is he on a long Kone-tract?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on December 23, 2012, 09:36:03 AM: Chris Woods scored again I see....might well be worth backup for the late run in for CL spot?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on December 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM: Quote from: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2012, 09:06:20 AM
Just to add a few extra zzzzzz pages to the thread (from the beeb gossip column):

"Manchester City are planning an overhaul of their player recruitment policy as they look to cut down on a wage bill that has risen above £200m-per-year. Defender Joleon Lescott, 30, midfielder Gareth Barry, 31, midfielder James Milner, 26, striker Edin Dzeko, 26, and striker Mario Balotelli, 22, could all be sold to help the drive."

I'd take Milner back in a flash and Barry, maybe, if the price was right. None of the others though.

All of them would do well for us. Dzeko and Balotelli would never come to us. Barry and Milner would both suit our midfield but Milner would be fantastic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 23, 2012, 10:07:35 AM: I'd honestly welcome both back. Milner in CM would recapture his old form & my love for Barry means I'd welcome him back happily. Like a long lost brother returning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on December 23, 2012, 10:30:45 AM: Jimmy would have better offers and it doesn't help that we've gone backwards in league position since he decided to leave. I'd put that one under 'dreaming'. Barry would be slighty more realistic at this stage in his career, though I think he is still starting the majority of Citehs games,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on December 23, 2012, 10:32:15 AM: I wonder who would buy them unless Man City pays hefty resignment money to the player so that they take a paycut, like they did with Adam Johnson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2012, 10:36:20 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on December 23, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
I wonder who would buy them unless Man City pays hefty resignment money to the player so that they take a paycut, like they did with Adam Johnson.

That's true, most "other" fans I speak to think Barry is shit and Milner is even worse. Milner might not have the options that a 26 year old international would normally expect.

I think he'd be perfect adding a bit of drive and athleticism to the centre of midfield. I also suspect/hope at this stage in his career he would want to start being the main man again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 11:48:52 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on December 23, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
I wonder who would buy them unless Man City pays hefty resignment money to the player so that they take a paycut, like they did with Adam Johnson.

That's true, most "other" fans I speak to think Barry is shit and Milner is even worse. Milner might not have the options that a 26 year old international would normally expect.

I think he'd be perfect adding a bit of drive and athleticism to the centre of midfield. I also suspect/hope at this stage in his career he would want to start being the main man again.

That's quite true about other fans, they didn't see Milner become a central midfield colossus like we did, only seeing him labour to varying degrees on the right wing for Engerland. If he goes somewhere else to be a bit part player, he's wasted his career IMO.

Liverpool might want Barry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2012, 12:11:55 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on December 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
I'd take Milner back in a flash and Barry, maybe, if the price was right. None of the others though.

All of them would do well for us. Dzeko and Balotelli would never come to us. Barry and Milner would both suit our midfield but Milner would be fantastic.
No no no. We don't want any of them. We are now moving forward in a different way so lets stick to that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 23, 2012, 12:16:45 PM: With Barry and Milner in this team I think we would be challenging for a top 6 place next season, but I can't see it happening , more chance of Gareth coming back perhaps but I'd be surprised if Milner did .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on December 23, 2012, 12:17:59 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 23, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on December 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
I'd take Milner back in a flash and Barry, maybe, if the price was right. None of the others though.

All of them would do well for us. Dzeko and Balotelli would never come to us. Barry and Milner would both suit our midfield but Milner would be fantastic.
No no no. We don't want any of them. We are now moving forward in a different way so lets stick to that.

So you wouldn't welcome James Milner back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2012, 12:21:40 PM: There is no point in disrupting our team ethics and the new spirit by chasing so called big players. Milner may well fit into our current team but his wages etc will hinder more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on December 23, 2012, 12:24:21 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on December 23, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on December 23, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on December 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 23, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
I'd take Milner back in a flash and Barry, maybe, if the price was right. None of the others though.

All of them would do well for us. Dzeko and Balotelli would never come to us. Barry and Milner would both suit our midfield but Milner would be fantastic.
No no no. We don't want any of them. We are now moving forward in a different way so lets stick to that.

So you wouldn't welcome James Milner back?
i wouldn't welcome him back, but I'd welcome Barry back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 23, 2012, 12:24:56 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 23, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
There is no point in disrupting our team ethics and the new spirit by chasing so called big players. Milner may well fit into our current team but his wages etc will hinder more.

On the flip side, it's a pretty hefty gamble relying entirely on youth players and lower league imports.

Of the players we've moved on in recent years, Milner is the one we miss the most by far in my opinion. Imagine him in this side, playing through the middle - excellent player, experienced considering how young he is, top notch professional.

I struggle to think of a player who would improve us more, and also have the right attitude.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 12:27:49 PM: Milner would fit in really well with the hard working ethic we have at the moment. i think he would come back but not just yet though unless Man City pushed him out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 23, 2012, 12:43:39 PM: BBC Sport: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert is determined to keep hold of in-form Belgian striker Christian Benteke. The 22-year-old, who signed from Genk for £7m in August, has scored eight goals in 17 appearances this season. His form has sparked speculation that he could be a January transfer target for other Premier League clubs. However, Lambert said: "There's no point in us being here if it's a case of bringing people in and then letting them go."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 12:44:53 PM: Morsion at Norwich has been out of the side for three months until yesterday.

I know, I know, if he can't even get in the Norwich team... etc. But he did well for Lambert last year, so that might be something we explore - if Bent moves.

Benteke and Bill Wiemann have done enough to be first choice, but we'll need back up over the course of the season. Morsion would seem to fit in with the team ethic, and wouldn't be acting the Billy Big Bollocks if he didn't start. The way Lambert rotates the squad means he'd most likely see more action here than he has done recently in Alan Partridge country too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 23, 2012, 12:50:52 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 23, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
There is no point in disrupting our team ethics and the new spirit by chasing so called big players. Milner may well fit into our current team but his wages etc will hinder more.

The one thing this team needs is experience and you don't get that by signing more kids.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 12:52:28 PM: I think Morison is awful personally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 01:11:35 PM: Awful to me is Heskey or Jason Roberts.

Morsion comes more into the underwhelming category.

But he managed 10 goals in the league last year, has come into the top flight late and could - in theory-relish the opportunity to make a go of things at VP. Rather than some mercenary with a higher profile, who thinks he's doing us a favour just by turning up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 01:19:37 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 01:11:35 PM
Awful to me is Heskey or Jason Roberts.

Morsion comes more into the underwhelming category.

But he managed 10 goals in the league last year, has come into the top flight late and could - in theory-relish the opportunity to make a go of things at VP. Rather than some mercenary with a higher profile, who thinks he's doing us a favour just by turning up.

I think we can do better to be honest. Whenever i've seen him for Norwich and Wales he's just looked very average. He had a decent scoring record at Millwall but i'd rather see someone a bit younger come in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 01:30:04 PM: In Benteke and Wiemann we're covered for youth/ younger players. At 26, Gabby is hardly a veteran either. We have a gap for a older head up top, should Bent move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 01:38:02 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
In Benteke and Wiemann we're covered for youth/ younger players. At 26, Gabby is hardly a veteran either. We have a gap for a older head up top, should Bent move on.

I see your point as in regards to an older head actually. Just not sure Steve Morison is the answer. I think Bent will be here until the end of the season anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 23, 2012, 01:45:09 PM: Aye, I can see Bent still here past January too. Particularly with the recent injury.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM: I think bent will go in jan, quality players are hard to find in January and bent is quality - I'm sure he will score goals wherever he goes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 01:51:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
bent is quality - I'm sure he will score goals wherever he goes.

That's a bold predicition Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 23, 2012, 01:52:28 PM: I would try a triple bid for Barry, Milner and Dzeko for 15 millions plus Bent to see if they bite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 23, 2012, 02:01:23 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 23, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
I would try a triple bid for Barry, Milner and Dzeko for 15 millions plus Bent to see if they bite.

Have you been on the xmas sherry already salsa? I don't think they would bat an eyelid at such an offer, or want bent .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 23, 2012, 02:02:48 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 23, 2012, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
bent is quality - I'm sure he will score goals wherever he goes.

That's a bold predicition Eastie.

Not really clampy, he has scored goals throughout his career and is a quality finisher , in sorry we couldn't find a way to play him that fitted in with our style.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on December 23, 2012, 02:53:02 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 23, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
I would try a triple bid for Barry, Milner and Dzeko for 15 millions plus Bent to see if they bite.

We'd only have to an extra 250k a WEEK to pay them :-)

Would love Milner & Barry back but can't see it happening

As for Steve Morison, no ta. He is slow, has less top flight experience than most of our current squad and has even lost that menacing look growing hair :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 23, 2012, 03:43:20 PM: I don't think Dzeko or Baloteli would come near Villa Park anyway. Not sure re: Barry but Milner and Lescott could be possible and I'd be delighted with either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 23, 2012, 07:34:33 PM: I've been saying for ages we need older heads.
We need them in or we'll be relegated.

A youth only strategy is a very dangerous one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on December 23, 2012, 07:55:30 PM: These are who me and my colleague think we should have our eye on: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/17-12-2012/aston-villa-transfer-wish-list/742615
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 24, 2012, 09:54:06 AM: Nurseys offering today from the mirror-

Paul Lambert is willing to risk the wrath of old club Norwich again with a move for Steve Morison.

Boss Lambert walked out of Carrow Road for Aston Villa in the summer and the clubs are still yet to agree compensation.

Now Lambert is eying a move for City striker Morison, 29, to provide back-up for targetman Christian Benteke.

Lambert rates Morison after bringing him into the top-flight in June 2011 in a £2.8million deal from Millwall.

He scored 10 goals to help the Canaries stay in the Premier League last season.

But Welsh international Morison has only started three League games under Lambert's successor Chris Hughton.

And Villa would be able to offer Morison a hefty pay-rise on his existing contract.

If Morison demands to quit, Hughton will use the cash to raid the European market for a new forward.

Lambert has already returned to Norwich to knock City out of the League Cup to reach the semi-finals.

The fiery Scot also claimed in October he had not spoken to Norwich chairman Alan Bowkett for two years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 24, 2012, 10:04:25 AM: Morrison is very underwhelming, if he is after another target man why not go for Gary Hooper from Celtic?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 24, 2012, 10:09:52 AM: Not a fan of Morison at all. Let's hope it's another false story.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2012, 10:13:29 AM: Yeah I wouldn't be overally thrilled with Morison.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 24, 2012, 10:44:14 AM: Nursey just tweeted-

@JamesNursey: A bit of transfer gossip: told #AVFC Lambert wants #NCFC Steve Morison. Lambert rates Morison & wants another targetman
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 24, 2012, 10:59:25 AM: Just imagine Morrisonn and Benteke up front, that's something McLeish would have done :-(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 24, 2012, 11:04:36 AM: I don't know a lot about Morrison. At least he sounds old enough to shave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 24, 2012, 11:14:18 AM: Nursey has since tweeted that he spoke to Houghton who knew nothing of a move of Morrison to us..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 24, 2012, 11:38:46 AM: I imagine it's bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 24, 2012, 11:52:42 AM: As someone who follows Welsh football, I wouldn't be too keen on us signing Morison. To be fair to him, he has had a pretty meteoric rise from Conference football to the top flight in a few years, but he has been pretty poor for Wales for quite a while now. I agree that we need a target man to cover Benteke, but feel someone like Danny Graham from Swansea would be a better bet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 24, 2012, 11:57:07 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 24, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
As someone who follows Welsh football, I wouldn't be too keen on us signing Morison. To be fair to him, he has had a pretty meteoric rise from Conference football to the top flight in a few years, but he has been pretty poor for Wales for quite a while now. I agree that we need a target man to cover Benteke, but feel someone like Danny Graham from Swansea would be a better bet.

Surely Bowery is the target man to cover for benteke- he's a year younger similar height and I would imagine he is here as a target man cover for benteke.

Graham night be an option to play off benteke, I must admit I haven't seen anything special about Morrison , now lamberts settled with Norwich though we may be able to go back and bid for pilkington?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on December 24, 2012, 12:09:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 24, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 24, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
As someone who follows Welsh football, I wouldn't be too keen on us signing Morison. To be fair to him, he has had a pretty meteoric rise from Conference football to the top flight in a few years, but he has been pretty poor for Wales for quite a while now. I agree that we need a target man to cover Benteke, but feel someone like Danny Graham from Swansea would be a better bet.

Surely Bowery is the target man to cover for benteke- he's a year younger similar height and I would imagine he is here as a target man cover for benteke.

Graham night be an option to play off benteke, I must admit I haven't seen anything special about Morrison , now lamberts settled with Norwich though we may be able to go back and bid for pilkington?

He needs to go out on loan first. We've already got to many youngsters learning their trade in the squad, hence the poor results in the league. We need proven talent and i don't mean the names mentioned above either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 24, 2012, 01:13:24 PM: At least, in our position now, we should be able to attract players. A few weeks ago I was worried we'd be right in that bottom three and unable to get anyone decent in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 24, 2012, 01:16:40 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 24, 2012, 01:13:24 PM
At least, in our position now, we should be able to attract players. A few weeks ago I was worried we'd be right in that bottom three and unable to get anyone decent in.

I'd imagine any player looking at our result yesterday will be having second thoughts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 24, 2012, 01:20:33 PM: Well yes, there is that. Hopefully we can put it right over the next two games and into January. Players who aren't cup-tied will have a semi-final and possible final to tempt them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 24, 2012, 01:43:23 PM: I doubt players will look at 1 result against Chelsea in a purple patch and take a blind bit of notice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 24, 2012, 01:43:27 PM: Morrison as back up would be fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 24, 2012, 02:56:38 PM: Quote from: Summers on December 24, 2012, 01:43:27 PM
Morrison as back up would be fine.
No ta.
A 29 year old Norwich 2nd choice.
Nowhere near the standard we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 24, 2012, 04:20:08 PM: If he can't get in Norwich team he is not good enough for Aston Villa or even Small Heath.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2012, 05:39:07 PM: Are so we're allowed to sign players from Norwich now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 24, 2012, 05:47:46 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 24, 2012, 05:39:07 PM
Are so we're allowed to sign players from Norwich now?
When did you turn Chinese?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 24, 2012, 05:56:48 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 24, 2012, 04:20:08 PM
If he can't get in Norwich team he is not good enough for Aston Villa or even Small Heath.

Norwich are a better team than Villa, so that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 24, 2012, 07:27:51 PM: I would sooner, for 3 million, see Lambert dive back into Europe or the Championship/ league 1 for a target man back up than sign a 29 year old Morrison.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on December 24, 2012, 08:12:31 PM: Strange as it sounds what about a Bid for Frank Lampard (if Chelski don't want him). He could sit in the middle of the park and encourage our younsters. Could be a good buy for one and a half seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 24, 2012, 10:54:36 PM: Lampard would be an excellent move, but is still way above coming to us. QPR in Jan would be my guess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 24, 2012, 11:02:43 PM: A worry with Lampard is his biggest strength was his stamina, which one'd expect to decline as he gets older.
Plus I suspect he'd want 3.5 years which would be quite a giant contract over the whole period.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on December 24, 2012, 11:20:03 PM: Think Morrison is just some jouro making it up, as for Lampard, not a cat in hells chance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 24, 2012, 11:22:05 PM: I'd expect Lampard would still want big money and a reasonable length contract. It's a no from me based on value for money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 25, 2012, 01:28:23 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on December 23, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
These are who me and my colleague think we should have our eye on: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/17-12-2012/aston-villa-transfer-wish-list/742615

The problems I see with your suggestions are:

Frimpong: Arsenal wages
Marin: Chelsea wages
Lescott: Man City wages
Stevens: Charlt...ok, go on then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on December 25, 2012, 01:32:38 AM: Lampard would consider joining us on the same day that I'd consider buying Martin O'Neill a pint. Which would be never then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 25, 2012, 01:34:18 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on December 25, 2012, 01:32:38 AM
Lampard would consider joining us on the same day that I'd consider buying Martin O'Neill a pint. Which would be never then.

But what if it was a pint with loads of laxative in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 25, 2012, 07:37:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 25, 2012, 01:34:18 AM
Quote from: Rissbert on December 25, 2012, 01:32:38 AM
Lampard would consider joining us on the same day that I'd consider buying Martin O'Neill a pint. Which would be never then.

But what if it was a pint with loads of laxative in?

Or a big pint of jizz?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 25, 2012, 10:05:56 PM: Frimpong has only just started to play full games at Charlton, but would be useful even if only on loan in January. Long term he would be a good signing for us with the side we are creating. I think we need a bit more pace in the side too. It will be interesting for sure in Jan.

I am predicting 4 in with at least 1 loan, and 1 out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 25, 2012, 10:09:32 PM: Think I've mentioned him before, Wilson Palacios?

Can't see him being a Lambert type of signing though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2012, 12:51:51 AM: He would do our midfield some good, especially the Wigan and early Spurs version. Again a loan option maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 26, 2012, 02:15:35 AM: I'd be pleasantly surprised if he signs someone we've all heard of.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 26, 2012, 03:58:46 AM: I am a twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 26, 2012, 08:37:16 AM: Chris Wood could be a good cheap addition. Obviously he has scored goals recently for Millwall which is why he is in the news at the moment. Dont forget he did the same when on loan at St Andrews. Perhaps Paul Lambert should give Chris Hughton a call for his opinion of the player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2012, 09:05:21 AM: Lambert has stated that if KEA is picked by Morocco for the African Nations Cup that we'll have to cope in his absence with the bodies we've already got. That doesn't sound hopeful for new signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 26, 2012, 09:25:14 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on December 26, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Lambert has stated that if KEA is picked by Morocco for the African Nations Cup that we'll have to cope in his absence with the bodies we've already got. That doesn't sound hopeful for new signings.

Particularly as I think it's a position where we could do with a decent signing. Oh well, if we stay up, it'll mean that Bannan and Westwood will have played an extra 10 matches or so, which should pay dividends in the future.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 26, 2012, 09:37:56 AM: I would like to sign Bolasie from Palace . He would cost a fifth of Zaha and hes about 95% as good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on December 26, 2012, 12:17:01 PM: disappointed people want Chris Woods, Guzan is doing a fine job for me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 26, 2012, 03:26:30 PM: Hoping Henke (chief scout) has got some young hungry and disciplined players lined up for PL. Maybe some one from the Bundesliga where he has a massive amount of contacts. Are squad is far to small and we need to add quality as well as numbers ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2012, 06:22:35 PM: Right we need a centre half, two centre mids, a creative player and a striker. At least 3 of those need to be the finished article.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 26, 2012, 07:45:54 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on December 26, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Lambert has stated that if KEA is picked by Morocco for the African Nations Cup that we'll have to cope in his absence with the bodies we've already got. That doesn't sound hopeful for new signings.

After today could hardly say it would be a great loss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2012, 07:46:38 PM: Quote from: Malandro on December 26, 2012, 12:17:01 PM
disappointed people want Chris Woods, Guzan is doing a fine job for me

Very good!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 26, 2012, 09:30:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
Right we need a centre half, two centre mids, a creative player and a striker. At least 3 of those need to be the finished article.

Agreed. And they cannot come from the lower leagues either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 26, 2012, 10:45:04 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 26, 2012, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
Right we need a centre half, two centre mids, a creative player and a striker. At least 3 of those need to be the finished article.

Agreed. And they cannot come from the lower leagues either.

I'm betting they might well do.

That James Chester from Hull rumour is still doing the rounds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on December 26, 2012, 11:37:30 PM: Michael Dawson would be a good shout
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 27, 2012, 12:42:44 AM: Put simply. If we've got a transfer pot of say 20m (and i'd say that's about the bare minimum needed WITHOUT selling anyone) we MUST spend it on quality not quantity.

A few 7m type STARTERS are what's needed now, not 5 or 6 squad fillers. We already have enough filler to last us for the next 10 years
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2012, 12:49:12 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 26, 2012, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 26, 2012, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
Right we need a centre half, two centre mids, a creative player and a striker. At least 3 of those need to be the finished article.

Agreed. And they cannot come from the lower leagues either.

I'm betting they might well do.

That James Chester from Hull rumour is still doing the rounds.

With Baker and Vlaar out, I would take any centre half if they could play the position right now!

More I think about it, the more Palacios if you could get him on loan with a view to buy would be a good signing in terms of us not getting bullied through the middle of the park quite so much. We were linked with a couple of big hard french midfield players in the summer, would not surprise to see a couple of players arrive from Europe. German or Scandinavian and they should adapt pretty quick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 27, 2012, 02:14:22 AM: All the players I saw in the papers today were all from the lower divisions . Murray from Palace ,a lad from Millwall and someone from Crewe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on December 27, 2012, 08:52:35 AM: Why is it that supporters do not get a weekly injury update? it would be nice every now and again to know how Vlar and Dunne are coming along. Definately do not need any lower division players in January unless they are planning ahead for life in a lower division.
Sell Kea, is not up to it sell Bent, manager doesn't want him, sell Ireland flatters to decieve. That lot might fetch 15 mil add Randys 20 mil and that would get four players of Prem quality.Am i dreaming?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 27, 2012, 08:52:38 AM: We're so far behind the big 5 it's embarrassing. We need to get more results from those games. A good win against a frankly shite Liverpool masked a lot. They're not the big club they used to be, so the last two games were a frightening fall to Earth.
We can compete well enough against the bottom 12, but lose any of them just as easily as winning. It's a very level playing field.
Better players is a must. We'll be safe, just about, but only by virtue of 3 teams even worse than us. The worry is that QPR may improve with signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2012, 09:58:02 AM: We get linked with players whom the papers think we'll buy. There is no inside knowledge.

Villa signed two or three from the lower leagues, link them with more and people will believe ot. Don't we look clever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 11:17:20 AM: Friedel out for Given looks like it could be a horrendous piece of business in hindsight.

Friedel is going to complete 3 years at Spurs (and we didn't want to give him 2 years, did we?)

Given is surplus to requirements 1 year into a 5 year contract, probably on similar wages to Friedel but cost £3.5m ontop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 27, 2012, 11:22:26 AM: Alright, I admit it. I'd take Huddlestone on loan for the rest of the season, I reckon he could do us a job. We have to get some fortune with a signing from Spurs eventually.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 27, 2012, 11:26:24 AM: Quote from: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Friedel out for Given looks like it could be a horrendous piece of business in hindsight.

Friedel is going to complete 3 years at Spurs (and we didn't want to give him 2 years, did we?)

Given is surplus to requirements 1 year into a 5 year contract, probably on similar wages to Friedel but cost £3.5m ontop.

I thought it was a poor signing at the time and have never changed my opinion. Not because Given isn't a good keeper but because the signs were there that he physically wasn't up to it any more, on a 2 year deal it'd have been ok but he'd never have agreed to that.

I did think we needed to replace Friedel though as he was also starting to struggle a little, I think the move to a side challenging for europe gave him a boost to make it through last year but this year he was struggling before Lloris came in to replace him. Needed to be replaced with someone in their early 30s rather than mid thirties though. Guzan always stood a chance of making the grade and in Seigrist we have one of the highest rated youngsters around but we did need someone for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2012, 12:27:04 PM: I would take Huddlestone too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 12:28:11 PM: Quote from: Ads on December 27, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
I would take Huddlestone too.

Yes, definitely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 12:28:31 PM: Huddlestone would be a good signing, and I think he'd suit the current team and system - but I think we'd struggle to convince him to come here. Maybe on loan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 12:30:44 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 12:28:31 PM
Huddlestone would be a good signing, and I think he'd suit the current team and system - but I think we'd struggle to convince him to come here. Maybe on loan?

Prefer it to be with a view to possible permanent deal if all goes well, he is a big strong midfielder with a decent shot and a physical presence about him , I'd be tempted to get Robbie Keane back as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 27, 2012, 12:32:36 PM: As Ozzjim mentioned, Palacios would be good and Huddlestone from the posters above.

In fact both of them please, plus a centre half and a striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on December 27, 2012, 12:36:31 PM: Huddlestone a risk with his injury record
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 27, 2012, 12:38:45 PM: Quote from: montague on December 27, 2012, 12:36:31 PM
Huddlestone a risk with his injury record
You're right, but there's not much to choose from out there and I think he'd want to come and prove a point..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM: Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 12:58:57 PM: A centre mid and a bit of unpredictability in one of the wide roles is needed. It's a shame Ince is going to Liverpool.

Maybe N'Zogbia will shock us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 27, 2012, 02:11:40 PM: I think we need:

Martin Laursen
Ian Taylor
Paul Merson
Tommy Johnson
Dion Dublin

oh and BFR.

That'll see us through. Failing that, a couple of big bastards in midfield who aren't too shabby on the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 27, 2012, 02:15:11 PM: Seeing the way N'Zonzi knitted things together for Stoke last night in front of their back four shows exactly what we need in there. He was a big miss for us in the close season (and is keeping Palacios out).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 27, 2012, 02:37:37 PM: Quote from: paul_e on December 27, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Friedel out for Given looks like it could be a horrendous piece of business in hindsight.

Friedel is going to complete 3 years at Spurs (and we didn't want to give him 2 years, did we?)

Given is surplus to requirements 1 year into a 5 year contract, probably on similar wages to Friedel but cost £3.5m ontop.

I thought it was a poor signing at the time and have never changed my opinion. Not because Given isn't a good keeper but because the signs were there that he physically wasn't up to it any more, on a 2 year deal it'd have been ok but he'd never have agreed to that.

I did think we needed to replace Friedel though as he was also starting to struggle a little, I think the move to a side challenging for europe gave him a boost to make it through last year but this year he was struggling before Lloris came in to replace him. Needed to be replaced with someone in their early 30s rather than mid thirties though. Guzan always stood a chance of making the grade and in Seigrist we have one of the highest rated youngsters around but we did need someone for a couple of seasons.

You've got it totally wrong there, Friedel wasn't struggling at all, he was playing brilliantly and it was a total shock he got dropped. Yes he is old but he would have been good for 3 more seasons after we let him leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM: Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to pick up his wages for doing very little.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 27, 2012, 02:47:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strokes me as a guy happy to pick up his wages for doing very little.

And there lies the rub in trying to sign experienced players in our position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:48:53 PM: Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

I meant type of player football wise, a midfielder holder who keeps it simple, passes and has a bit of experience. Besides, i said i was'nt a fan i'd stay clear of him as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strokes me as a guy

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.

Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .
Palacios seems Well overweight for a footballer , bit like Molby or Sammy lee , I think Scott Parker is the sort of player needed but he is injury prone and would want huge wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:12:33 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.

Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .

Oh dear, sense of humour alert needed in Coventry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:17:09 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.
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Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .

Oh dear, sense of humour alert needed in Coventry.

Not at all clamps, I find many of your comments make me laugh, especially the Lerner adoration , and the mini crisis one from earlier- you always amuse me.

Anyway on a serious note do we know if lambert liked to do business early in the January window or was he like mon and waiting until the last minute?

I hope he has identified his targets already and can move quickly next week to do deals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 27, 2012, 03:17:32 PM: Quote from: Shrek on December 27, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on December 27, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Friedel out for Given looks like it could be a horrendous piece of business in hindsight.

Friedel is going to complete 3 years at Spurs (and we didn't want to give him 2 years, did we?)

Given is surplus to requirements 1 year into a 5 year contract, probably on similar wages to Friedel but cost £3.5m ontop.

I thought it was a poor signing at the time and have never changed my opinion. Not because Given isn't a good keeper but because the signs were there that he physically wasn't up to it any more, on a 2 year deal it'd have been ok but he'd never have agreed to that.

I did think we needed to replace Friedel though as he was also starting to struggle a little, I think the move to a side challenging for europe gave him a boost to make it through last year but this year he was struggling before Lloris came in to replace him. Needed to be replaced with someone in their early 30s rather than mid thirties though. Guzan always stood a chance of making the grade and in Seigrist we have one of the highest rated youngsters around but we did need someone for a couple of seasons.

You've got it totally wrong there, Friedel wasn't struggling at all, he was playing brilliantly and it was a total shock he got dropped. Yes he is old but he would have been good for 3 more seasons after we let him leave.
Watch a season review and see how many times he got beaten by shots that were near to his body at about thigh height, it's the telltale that a keeper is losing their reactions and he conceded 5-6 of them under houllier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 27, 2012, 03:18:10 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.

Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .

Oh dear, sense of humour alert needed in Coventry.

You'd think it would be a prerequisite for living there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:19:01 PM: Quote from: LeeB on December 27, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.

Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .

Oh dear, sense of humour alert needed in Coventry.

You'd think it would be a prerequisite for living there.

You'd think so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:23:58 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 27, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: pav on December 27, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Palacios is one of these players who seems to have cost clubs a lot of money but he has'nt really settled anywhere since he left Wigan. Can't say i'm a big fan but he is the type of player we could do with.
are you serious , palacios is keeping himself out because so unfit , he's terrible . We don't need him

Agreed Pav, palacios is just another Ireland or nzogbia, as far from being a Hungry player as you can get, he strikes me as a guy happy to take the money and do little.

We did'nt need to know that Eastie.

Poor stuff as ever clampy , thought you'd be gazing lovingly at randys photo on your wall at this time of day .

You'd think so.

Arshavin reported on talks with reading, on his day he can be a top player , I remember him destroying Liverpool with a hat trick once, if he'd consider reading then surely he'd consider villa, but would lambert be able to motivate him?
He hasn't got the talent out of Ireland or nzogbia yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM: Tom Huddlestone anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 27, 2012, 04:39:54 PM: Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
Tom Huddlestone anyone?

Nah, he's another one who's never overly impressed me when i've seen him either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curlytailavfc on December 27, 2012, 04:43:46 PM: what players can we get on loan as mr lerner wont want to splash any cash?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 05:02:54 PM: Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
Tom Huddlestone anyone?

Strong powerful midfielder, physical presence, decent shot on him , gets stuck in at times- only worry would be his injury record- worth a loan deal for starters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 05:11:28 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on December 27, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Friedel out for Given looks like it could be a horrendous piece of business in hindsight.

Friedel is going to complete 3 years at Spurs (and we didn't want to give him 2 years, did we?)

Given is surplus to requirements 1 year into a 5 year contract, probably on similar wages to Friedel but cost £3.5m ontop.

I hate to say it, but I told you so.

More than anything, this shows how treacherous the transfer market is as on many levels given was probably a "safe bet" of a signing. Strangely within our squad it is the "safe bets" that have not stepped up, whereas the youth and squad players have generally performed to their potential and sometimes beyond.

Hopefully in the next window Lambert can ignore his usual tactics and sign some reasonably established players but in order to make room he'll have to get rid of some of our more experienced pros in order to keep the balance of the squad right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: arnie66 on December 27, 2012, 05:11:32 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
Tom Huddlestone anyone?

Strong powerful midfielder, physical presence, decent shot on him , gets stuck in at times- only worry would be his injury record- worth a loan deal for starters.

Big fan of his since his time at Derby, physical presence and connects so sweetly with the ball. Not massively mobile but I certainly think he could do a holding/quarter-back role in the middle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 05:17:08 PM: Quote from: arnie66 on December 27, 2012, 05:11:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
Tom Huddlestone anyone?

Strong powerful midfielder, physical presence, decent shot on him , gets stuck in at times- only worry would be his injury record- worth a loan deal for starters.

Big fan of his since his time at Derby, physical presence and connects so sweetly with the ball. Not massively mobile but I certainly think he could do a holding/quarter-back role in the middle

I've been told by spurs fans that "the Hud" is not the strongest mentally and despite being massive, is a bit of a wuss. Regardless I think he'd be a good option alongside either Bannan or Westwood but I'd suggest only on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 05:24:59 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Quote from: arnie66 on December 27, 2012, 05:11:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 27, 2012, 05:02:54 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 04:37:31 PM
Tom Huddlestone anyone?

Strong powerful midfielder, physical presence, decent shot on him , gets stuck in at times- only worry would be his injury record- worth a loan deal for starters.

Big fan of his since his time at Derby, physical presence and connects so sweetly with the ball. Not massively mobile but I certainly think he could do a holding/quarter-back role in the middle

I've been told by spurs fans that "the Hud" is not the strongest mentally and despite being massive, is a bit of a wuss. Regardless I think he'd be a good option alongside either Bannan or Westwood but I'd suggest only on loan.

Compared to the players spurs have had in midfield he may seem a bit inferior but compared to our players he would very much be an improvement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 27, 2012, 05:47:27 PM: I'd rank huddlestone along Jenas, could be effective but has been fit so rarely that he's just too big a risk. We got burned by that last year so I'd want to avoid the same again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2012, 05:51:52 PM: The noises from FSW is that fat frank is goIng to leave Chelsea in Jan. Great short term solution in the middle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 05:54:57 PM: I can't see Lampard wanting to come here. I reckon Malouda would be a much better bet...he's miles away from their team and I reckon we could get him on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:08:25 PM: If Lampard cane here - which he wouldn't - can you imagine how inspired he'd be, going from CL football every year (and a victory) at a club where he is a part of the furniture to us and our perennial struggle against relegation?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:09:03 PM: And Malouda has probably the worst attitude in the PL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:12:43 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
If Lampard cane here - which he wouldn't - can you imagine how inspired he'd be, going from CL football every year (and a victory) at a club where he is a part of the furniture to us and our perennial struggle against relegation?

To get any sort of commitment out of him he'd want a 3.5 year deal which'd cost the best part 10m I reckon in wages.
The worry is, he's only be good for maximum half of the contract duration. But a loan - to put him in the shop window - would be interesting for all parties.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:16:48 PM: Lampard hardly needs to showcase what he can do via a loan, though, does he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2012, 06:17:19 PM: Lampard is an old pro and I reckon his inspiration would be to get Villa playing again. He would be ideal. Get rid of Ireland, Dunne, Makoun, and you have more than enough to pay his wages. Just need to right representation to pitch it to him. PF come on down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on December 27, 2012, 06:18:40 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
If Lampard cane here - which he wouldn't - can you imagine how inspired he'd be, going from CL football every year (and a victory) at a club where he is a part of the furniture to us and our perennial struggle against relegation?

To get any sort of commitment out of him he'd want a 3.5 year deal which'd cost the best part 10m I reckon in wages.
The worry is, he's only be good for maximum half of the contract duration. But a loan - to put him in the shop window - would be interesting for all parties.
He will get that at QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on December 27, 2012, 06:22:30 PM: Quote from: TonyD on December 27, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
The noises from FSW is that fat frank is goIng to leave Chelsea in Jan. Great short term solution in the middle.

Nothing has ever been less likely to happen than this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:28:19 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:16:48 PM
Lampard hardly needs to showcase what he can do via a loan, though, does he?

Probably not, in which case I'd be against signing him as the cost for his full contract would be too much.

Basically his game was built on his "he could have been a marathon runner" stamina i.e. his box to box ability. Once his legs are gone (if they haven't already) you're left with a player that strikes a ball reasonably well and that is pretty much it. He doesn't possess great vision, dribbling ability or indeed a particular team ethic mentality.

I like the idea of signing an old pro in this position though. The opportunity to play "Lampard" and one of either Westwood or Bannan would allow them to be rotated rather than relied upon. Furthermore the "lampard" could be replaced in the last quarter of matches to preserve his shelf life. I just don't think Lampard is the right player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 27, 2012, 06:29:26 PM: Lampard would not come to villa- forget him as an option, he will get plenty of attractive offers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2012, 06:31:20 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
If Lampard cane here - which he wouldn't - can you imagine how inspired he'd be, going from CL football every year (and a victory) at a club where he is a part of the furniture to us and our perennial struggle against relegation?

It wouldn't be a surpise if he went to QPR and they're in an even bigger mess than us. 'Arry + London + more wages would help I guess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2012, 06:35:29 PM: some of the 'kids' in the team are nowhere near good enough. chris herd at centre half being a prime example, also lichaj, bannan, bennett, weimann, albrighton, delph. kea seems no improvement on what we currently have. Ireland and Gabby are finished. Nzogbia might aswell be. Clark and Baker looked to be developing nicely but after the last 2 games its hard to know if they are really going to make it either. in summary we have a very poor squad. most players are capable of the odd good performance like bannan at liverpool. but they arent good enough frankly to play consistently well for a decent premier league side. Consistency is what players top players.

tomas rosicky would be a good signing I reckon. top professional. former captain of the czech republic. kind of character we need at the club.

if the injury problems for vlaar continue, dawson would be a decent signing.

would love to see a bid for james milner. got to start bidding for good players anyway, at least give the impression we wont go sleepwalking back the divisions sheffield wednesday style.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on December 27, 2012, 06:51:19 PM: 'Tomas rosicky', 'character' and 'top professional' all in the same sentence

Does that count as a triple oxymoron?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:57:32 PM: If the speculation is to be believed, Villa target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang sneaks in at number 69 in the Guardian's top 100 footballers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/dec/20/top-100-footballers-in-the-world-interactive
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2012, 07:21:50 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on December 27, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
some of the 'kids' in the team are nowhere near good enough. chris herd at centre half being a prime example, also lichaj, bannan, bennett, weimann, albrighton, delph. kea seems no improvement on what we currently have. Ireland and Gabby are finished. Nzogbia might aswell be. Clark and Baker looked to be developing nicely but after the last 2 games its hard to know if they are really going to make it either. in summary we have a very poor squad. most players are capable of the odd good performance like bannan at liverpool. but they arent good enough frankly to play consistently well for a decent premier league side. Consistency is what players top players.

tomas rosicky would be a good signing I reckon. top professional. former captain of the czech republic. kind of character we need at the club.

if the injury problems for vlaar continue, dawson would be a decent signing.

would love to see a bid for james milner. got to start bidding for good players anyway, at least give the impression we wont go sleepwalking back the divisions sheffield wednesday style.

Weimann not good enough? Recent weeks would suggest otherwise.

Herd and Lichaj strike me as not good enough, as does Delph
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 27, 2012, 07:42:37 PM: No thanks for me for Huddlestone . Too immobile, lazy, lacks pace.Great pass on him, but we need an aggressive, competitive ,combative, big bastard in the middle of the park.I like the guy at QPR, does get booked a lot, but played well against us, and looks the kind of player we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on December 27, 2012, 07:46:46 PM: Can't see how wieman can be " not good enough " he's been great , like Paulie says , herd , Delph and I know it's early but Bennett not been good enough
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2012, 08:00:31 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 27, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
As Ozzjim mentioned, Palacios would be good and Huddlestone from the posters above.

In fact both of them please, plus a centre half and a striker.

Huddlestone was about to go to Stoke at the start of August but failed a medical.

Palacios was really good at Wigan but he too has had fitness issues and also understandly seems to have lost some motivation for football since his brother was kidnapped and murdered.

Still those two on loan for the rest of the season would be realistic and be premier league experienced midfielders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on December 27, 2012, 08:10:28 PM: weimann's had a few good games but I think he is a very limited player in truth. would love to be proved wrong obviously

bannan, delph, albrighton etc have all have very good games but never do it consistently. remember david pleat saying albrighton would be playing for england very soon when he first broke into the side. but dont think any of them really have enough to make it as a decent player in a good EPL side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on December 27, 2012, 08:11:28 PM: For god sake no!!! To palacios have you not seen him when he's played for stoke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on December 27, 2012, 08:21:34 PM: anybody know of any german or dutch players that we might be after?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on December 27, 2012, 08:32:42 PM: I'd take Robert Huth
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 27, 2012, 08:40:42 PM: Quote from: geeeenius1971 on December 27, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
anybody know of any german or dutch players that we might be after?

I am hoping this is where Henke (chief scout) will have a couple established players lined up. He knows the german and Dutch league inside out and is a good friend of PL who was Ottmar Hitzfelds right hand man ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 08:41:35 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
If the speculation is to be believed, Villa target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang sneaks in at number 69 in the Guardian's top 100 footballers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/dec/20/top-100-footballers-in-the-world-interactive

Just imagine the cost of getting his name on the back of your Macron home shirt
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 08:49:03 PM: Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
If the speculation is to be believed, Villa target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang sneaks in at number 69 in the Guardian's top 100 footballers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/dec/20/top-100-footballers-in-the-world-interactive

Just imagine the cost of getting his name on the back of your Macron home shirt

PEA is the obvious nickname, hopefully he'll be much better than Man U's little pea (on the basis he signs of course).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on December 27, 2012, 08:50:00 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 27, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: geeeenius1971 on December 27, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
anybody know of any german or dutch players that we might be after?

I am hoping this is where Henke (chief scout) will have a couple established players lined up. He knows the german and Dutch league inside out and is a good friend of PL who was Ottmar Hitzfelds right hand man ........
Thats exactly what im hoping for
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on December 27, 2012, 08:55:59 PM: Quote from: Des Little on December 27, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
If the speculation is to be believed, Villa target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang sneaks in at number 69 in the Guardian's top 100 footballers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/dec/20/top-100-footballers-in-the-world-interactive

Just imagine the cost of getting his name on the back of your Macron home shirt
Fuck. That could be three new young and hungry players for the price of a shirt transfer!! Would suit Lerner though :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 27, 2012, 08:56:40 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on December 27, 2012, 08:10:28 PM
weimann's had a few good games but I think he is a very limited player in truth. would love to be proved wrong obviously

bannan, delph, albrighton etc have all have very good games but never do it consistently. remember david pleat saying albrighton would be playing for england very soon when he first broke into the side. but dont think any of them really have enough to make it as a decent player in a good EPL side.

5 in 7 isn't and some absolute quality finishes from a natural finisher, limited he is not and is very much good enough. Weimann
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2012, 11:25:34 PM: Albrighton seemed to lose all confidence after he got ill in his first season and has never been the same since at all.

Bannan looks like he could make it to me recently.

Weimann has everything he needs to have a very decent career in the premier league.

As for midfield players I always like the look of the guy who I can't pronounce or spell the name of at Celtic.

We were linked with a guy at Boro in the summer too, Williams maybe?

The Augymang guy looks like he has some quality and could be a really useful addition if we could get him. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM: Wanyama
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2012, 11:33:36 PM: Do you say the Y? Him yes. Looks a decent player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:38:27 PM: Yeah, you do. Its pronounced as in Wan (one) yam (yam yam country) a.

I've seen him a few times too and he's top quality. It would be a hell of a coup for us to sign him but I think he's destined for bigger things than what we can currently offer.

Domestically the only other of the type that I know of is Frimpong but there's bound to be a lot abroad. The French seem to produce that type of player on a conveyor belt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2012, 11:40:12 PM: Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
Yeah, you do. Its pronounced as in Wan (one) yam (yam yam country) a.

I've seen him a few times too and he's top quality. It would be a hell of a coup for us to sign him but I think he's destined for bigger things than what we can currently offer.

Domestically the only other of the type that I know of is Frimpong but there's bound to be a lot abroad. The French seem to produce that type of player on a conveyor belt.

It is the type we need. Maybe even a couple of them to be brutal to what we have. Frimpong I think is a super player and would be a top signing for us fitness permitting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:48:29 PM: Agreed but we also have to become more dynamic. There's so little creativity offered from the midfield and we always seem to have the lesser of the possession against most teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2012, 11:56:25 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2012, 08:00:31 PM

Huddlestone was about to go to Stoke at the start of August but failed a medical.
Yes he did. At 6' 3" he was 3" short of Stoke's minimum height requirement!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on December 27, 2012, 11:57:15 PM: Moves are afoot for Victor Wanyama (Celtic) and David Templeton (Rangers) according to my source north of the border.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on December 28, 2012, 12:05:23 AM: I don't know anything about Templeton but if we got Wanyama, I would be over the moon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on December 28, 2012, 12:12:12 AM: Quote from: OCD on December 28, 2012, 12:05:23 AM
I don't know anything about Templeton but if we got Wanyama, I would be over the moon.
Sorry. Just realised you had already put it on. There are rave reviews about Templeton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:26:18 AM: Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

With him we could double his wages (from hmmm 30k to 60k?) and he'd be here in a flash. I think we can afford that. Whereas we could sign Milner and it would be as if he's doing us a favour to drop his wages (despite the fact he'd get the rest from Man City).

Fuck it sign both.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2012, 12:30:18 AM: Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:48:29 PM
Agreed but we also have to become more dynamic. There's so little creativity offered from the midfield and we always seem to have the lesser of the possession against most teams.

Agree with that, which is why we could probably do with two midfielders in the window. Whether we play 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1, the shape of the midfield is going to be pretty much the same - two defensive midfielders and an attacking midfielder in front of them. We need a strong ball winning type to fill one of the defensive midfielder positions and a creative player who can link things up in the attacking midfielder position.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 12:35:33 AM: augamayang looks a perfect fit for what we need, he'd be an excellent signing.

wanyama would be very good as well, I've heard decent things about templeton but haven't seen him.

Frimpong is the right kind of player but I'm not sure he's the right choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:55:09 AM: Quote from: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 12:35:33 AM
augamayang looks a perfect fit for what we need, he'd be an excellent signing.

wanyama would be very good as well, I've heard decent things about templeton but haven't seen him.

Frimpong is the right kind of player but I'm not sure he's the right choice.

All of those are worth going for and are the type of player I think Lambert would consider.
In a weird way that is why I still have hope as MON would never sign such players, whereas lambert might and randy has proven that he's prepared to throw money at the problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 28, 2012, 02:42:02 AM: Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

yeah and no chance getting him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 28, 2012, 02:44:43 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:55:09 AM
Quote from: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 12:35:33 AM
augamayang looks a perfect fit for what we need, he'd be an excellent signing.

wanyama would be very good as well, I've heard decent things about templeton but haven't seen him.

Frimpong is the right kind of player but I'm not sure he's the right choice.

All of those are worth going for and are the type of player I think Lambert would consider.
In a weird way that is why I still have hope as MON would never sign such players, whereas lambert might and randy has proven that he's prepared to throw money at the problem.

yeah still gutted he turned down the offer of taking Falco but I will move on :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2012, 03:07:37 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

With him we could double his wages (from hmmm 30k to 60k?) and he'd be here in a flash. I think we can afford that.
He didn't want to sign for us when he was a nobody playing in mid-table in Belgium. I don't think he'd be 'here in a flash' now that he's scoring against Barcelona and being targeting by ManYoo.

In spite of what DCF's always accurate sources say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 03:30:39 AM: Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2012, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

With him we could double his wages (from hmmm 30k to 60k?) and he'd be here in a flash. I think we can afford that.
He didn't want to sign for us when he was a nobody playing in mid-table in Belgium. I don't think he'd be 'here in a flash' now that he's scoring against Barcelona and being targeting by ManYoo.

In spite of what DCF's always accurate sources say.

I do not know who or what DCF's sources are. Regardless at 20, he was wise to go somewhere where he'd get games, now I think he'll be looking to test himself in one of the top leagues in the world.

If man u match our "double your money - maybe triple it - offer" then so be it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2012, 06:59:18 AM: Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2012, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

With him we could double his wages (from hmmm 30k to 60k?) and he'd be here in a flash. I think we can afford that.
He didn't want to sign for us when he was a nobody playing in mid-table in Belgium. I don't think he'd be 'here in a flash' now that he's scoring against Barcelona and being targeting by ManYoo.

In spite of what DCF's always accurate sources say.

To be fair, I don't think he would leave Celtic for us anyhow, they are involved in the quarters of the champions league, and play in front of a much bigger crowd each week. The league might not be as good, but as a footballer with no loyalty to Villa, leaving the first team at Celtic to come here would be a tough ask. I was merely stating I would like him, he always looks a good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2012, 09:16:52 AM: Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2012, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: OCD on December 27, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Wanyama

With him we could double his wages (from hmmm 30k to 60k?) and he'd be here in a flash. I think we can afford that.
He didn't want to sign for us when he was a nobody playing in mid-table in Belgium. I don't think he'd be 'here in a flash' now that he's scoring against Barcelona and being targeting by ManYoo.

In spite of what DCF's always accurate sources say.

Yeah I remember him saying he wasn't interested in Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2012, 09:17:47 AM: Although a Wanyama type midfielder is exactly what we're looking for, he's a better version of Frimpong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on December 28, 2012, 09:24:41 AM: Few interesting names in here: http://bbc.in/VFJOhw (via BBC Sport).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2012, 09:28:38 AM: Some experienced quality is really needed. Our side right now is just too young. It seemed to be clicking until the last week, but as shown, the consistency isn't going to be there. I worry about our resoluteness. When we're holding firm at the back we look decent defensively, but once things begin unravelling, things go to shit very quickly. We've shipped far too many goals. 12 goals in two games is ridiculous. We looked like San Marino going up against Spain in a Euro qualifier. Not good at all.
You really need a solid spine of reliable, experienced players in this league to succeed and even in some cases, survive. Players who can pull the rest of the team along by the scruff of the neck sometimes, or organise a backline when it's in danger of capitulating.
Shipping heavy quantities of goals isn't good. It effects the confidence, makes us look bad. It's not a one off either, like the 7-1 to Chelsea in O Neill's last season. We were twonked by Southampton and Man City too, whilst Everton could easily have battered us more.
We go into a must win Wigan game very shaky. You have to fancy them now. A week ago it looked a very winnable game. Now, not so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2012, 09:44:52 AM: Quote from: supertom on December 28, 2012, 09:28:38 AM
We go into a must win Wigan game very shaky. You have to fancy them now. A week ago it looked a very winnable game. Now, not so.
Definitely not - I expect Wigwam to come at us like an express train to try and get a couple of early goals. If we concede, we're done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 09:50:22 AM: Quote from: Matt C on December 28, 2012, 09:24:41 AM
Few interesting names in here: http://bbc.in/VFJOhw (via BBC Sport).

Moussa Sissoko jumps out from that list, I'd guess a champions league club might be looking though.
Isco at Malaga looks a superb player, he's be a huge upgrade on Ireland.
They have us as interested in Gouffran, he'd be a good signing from what I've seen.
Having watched a few videos, the south americans they've listed all look like excellent players, Bernard in particular looks like he could be a superstar in the making.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 10:27:05 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
Although a Wanyama type midfielder is exactly what we're looking for, he's a better version of Frimpong.

Frimpong is a decent player. Not the experience we're looking for but he'd do a good job.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 10:34:13 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
Although a Wanyama type midfielder is exactly what we're looking for, he's a better version of Frimpong.

Frimpong is a decent player. Not the experience we're looking for but he'd do a good job.

Moussa Sissoko is the best option available to do that role and all the rumours are that Newcastle are the only side really chasing him (there were some rumours of arsenal being interested but that seems to have gone quiet and if they did go for him you'd think that would make frimpong a clear option) so we'd have a decent shot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2012, 10:39:59 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
Although a Wanyama type midfielder is exactly what we're looking for, he's a better version of Frimpong.

Frimpong is a decent player. Not the experience we're looking for but he'd do a good job.

Dragged off at half time for Charlton on Saturday, as they lost at home to Ipswich, and he was subbed the game before when they lost at Sheff Wed.

Doesn't look likely to hit the ground running for us, does he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 11:27:49 AM: Frimpong looked good a couple of years ago but he hasn't really developed and looks a shadow of the player he was when he broke through.

Lambert says' this clubs had load of experienced players and they haven't done that well, experienced players don't always get you where you want to be '
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 12:35:22 PM: Diame from West Ham would be good, if this £3.5m get out clause in his contract is to be believed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 12:42:13 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
Diame from West Ham would be good, if this £3.5m get out clause in his contract is to be believed.

The clause is true, not confident he would come to villa though and I think he's injured now- would be a quality signing if we got him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 12:42:34 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2012, 06:57:32 PM
If the speculation is to be believed, Villa target Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang sneaks in at number 69 in the Guardian's top 100 footballers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2012/dec/20/top-100-footballers-in-the-world-interactive
There must be some sort of mistake. I can't see Fabian Delph's photo in there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 28, 2012, 12:44:24 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
Diame from West Ham would be good, if this £3.5m get out clause in his contract is to be believed.
West Ham are meant to be offering him a new £70,000 a week deal to wipe that clause away
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 12:52:13 PM: Quote from: Matt C on December 28, 2012, 09:24:41 AM
Few interesting names in here: http://bbc.in/VFJOhw (via BBC Sport).
To be fair I don't see us getting anyone off of that list.
At least with Lambert though I think he has an eye for talent, it's just likely to be a lesser light though I'd take one signing this window if it was a real midfield general. We've been crying out for one for years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2012, 01:34:24 PM: Quote from: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: Matt C on December 28, 2012, 09:24:41 AM
Few interesting names in here: http://bbc.in/VFJOhw (via BBC Sport).

Moussa Sissoko jumps out from that list, I'd guess a champions league club might be looking though.
Isco at Malaga looks a superb player, he's be a huge upgrade on Ireland.
They have us as interested in Gouffran, he'd be a good signing from what I've seen.
Having watched a few videos, the south americans they've listed all look like excellent players, Bernard in particular looks like he could be a superstar in the making.

Gouffran looks exactly the type we need off Benteke, tricky and pacey with an eye for goal.

I would be interested to see Hooper in the Prem too, think he would do well with Benteke. Striker wise I think we need a couple long term that are a bit different.

Just hope Lambert can be as active as he was in the summer and get some bodies in, we are struggling big time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 01:41:32 PM: I'd go for Gouffran and Aubameyang to play either side of the beast and then look at getting someone like Christian Eriksen to play in behind them.

I think all 3 are reasonably realistic if we sell ourselves well as they'd all fit into the young hungry side we're building.

Add Sissoko or Wanyama in a more defensive role in the middle and we'd be set.

The good thing is, Gouffran and PEA can play all across the front line so we'd have a bit more versatility than we've got currently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2012, 01:43:30 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
I'd take one signing this window if it was a real midfield general. We've been crying out for one for years.
I'd say for about a year. What we're really missing in the middle is Petrov.

A 'midfield general' doesn't need to be 6ft 4 and built like Mike Tyson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2012, 01:44:46 PM: Agree entirely, and they both look to have a bit of pace. Our big problem going forward is lack of variety at the moment, and Gabby has not been enough of a threat. Weimann is good enough to play a role, but a couple of other options are a must.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2012, 01:50:30 PM: Quote from: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 01:41:32 PM
I'd go for Gouffran and Aubameyang to play either side of the beast and then look at getting someone like Christian Eriksen to play in behind them.

I think all 3 are reasonably realistic if we sell ourselves well as they'd all fit into the young hungry side we're building.
Eriksen is about as realistic as expecting Ibrahimovic to rock up at Villa Park.

He's previously rejected moves to Man City and Zenit St Petersburg and I can't imagine that they were offering him peanuts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 01:54:05 PM: We have lost internationals like Barry, Milner, downing and young and replaced them with vastly inferior players, losing both our creativity and shape - midfield needs sorting out more than any area.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 02:01:38 PM: Well he's out of contract in 18months so ajax will be looking to sell and has been linked to about 5-6 clubs in the last few weeks but has apparently been quite clear (I can't find any direct quotes though) that regular starts is the most important thing and that he'd prefer england or spain. I think he's far and away the least likely of the 3 though. He's a bit of a perfect world signing for me as I think he'll be one of the best players in europe within a couple of years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mal on December 28, 2012, 02:18:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 28, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
We have lost internationals like Barry, Milner, downing and young and replaced them with vastly inferior players, losing both our creativity and shape - midfield needs sorting out more than any area.

Couldn't agree more... we have 4 front line strikers Benteke Wiemann Gabby & Bent. To that you can add Holman and Ireland. Only Bent is slated to leave, and his cover (Bowery) is already here. We also have Delfouneso, who has nailed down starting at Blackpool, to return. Unless someone else other than Bent leaves we will not be buying a striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on December 28, 2012, 02:28:37 PM: i would like to see Hangeland from fulham in the defence,think hes 31 now so wouldnt cost too much
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 02:31:17 PM: Quote from: geeeenius1971 on December 28, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
i would like to see Hangeland from fulham in the defence,think hes 31 now so wouldnt cost too much

His contract ends this season so would be very cheap but uncle Harry has already stated ' I like hangeland, he's a great player but he's fulhams player' - classic redknapp!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on December 28, 2012, 02:35:12 PM: uncle arry not tapping up a player shock
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2012, 02:37:47 PM: I would like to see a centre half and a midfielder brought in. I'm at a loss to name the ideal realistic midfield target but I would like to see Dawson from Spurs brought in to strengthen the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on December 28, 2012, 02:46:36 PM: I'd take Dawson gladly.

And CM wise I'd be happy with Parker on a short term contract if the financial package could be worked out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 02:47:44 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on December 28, 2012, 02:46:36 PM
I'd take Dawson gladly.

And CM wise I'd be happy with Parker on a short term contract if the financial package could be worked out.

Both experienced quality players , only worry on them is their injury records but if fit they would be excellent buys.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 02:51:36 PM: Parker I'd be happy on a short contract but I really don't like the idea of Dawson, his injuries troubles have been going on for far too long, we don't need another central defender in the treatment room, particularly with Baker and Vlaar both shown to pick up knocks throughout their careers so far we need someone who will always be available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on December 28, 2012, 02:52:20 PM: Dawson, i think Tottenham want about 8m + for him!

Hangeland, if Villa want him maybe part of a swap deal for Bent

To be honest i think there wages would be a stumbling block to any move
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2012, 02:55:32 PM: As he's coming towards the end of his contract, we might be able to pick up Hangeland for a £1m or so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 02:57:00 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on December 28, 2012, 02:52:20 PM
Dawson, i think Tottenham want about 8m + for him!

Hangeland, if Villa want him maybe part of a swap deal for Bent

To be honest i think there wages would be a stumbling block to any move

I'd take that, 10m+ and hangeland (who'll be on lower wages than Bent so that isn't an issue), offers an experienced centre half who's big and strong and would be able to pull the kids in line if things go wrong. He's also fairly consistent in terms of fitness and performance so would be the reliable defender we need.

EDITED slightly to add the + I'd like a lot more but with £12m being the assumed figure I reckon anything over 10 is fair, big loss though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on December 28, 2012, 03:01:34 PM: Hangeland it is then. Easy this scouting lark!!!! ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 03:35:31 PM: And why would Fulham let Hangeland go?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 03:36:19 PM: because he's out of contract in the summer and unlikely to sign a new one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on December 28, 2012, 03:38:29 PM: Can't really see Fulham wanting Bent to play alongside Berbatov. Hardly a match made in heaven. They'd effectively only have 8 players capable of putting a challenge in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2012, 04:14:50 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
And why would Fulham let Hangeland go?
And why would Hangeland let Fulham go for Villa? Living in London easy life little expectations from team he plays for coming to the end of his career...why would he want to move if he does move anywhere other than QPR?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 28, 2012, 04:19:00 PM: There seems to be a lot of talk about Parker, have we been 'linked' or is it just wishful thinking? He's exactly the type of player Villa need right at this moment in time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 04:24:17 PM: Quote from: Rigadon on December 28, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
There seems to be a lot of talk about Parker, have we been 'linked' or is it just wishful thinking? He's exactly the type of player Villa need right at this moment in time.

Wishful thinking I think, but he would be ideal if fit, I suppose if available uncle Harry will be after him too .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on December 28, 2012, 04:27:47 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 28, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 28, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
And why would Fulham let Hangeland go?
And why would Hangeland let Fulham go for Villa? Living in London easy life little expectations from team he plays for coming to the end of his career...why would he want to move if he does move anywhere other than QPR?

No idea but surely it's the job of people at the club to create enough reasons that he'd be interested? If he's even on the radar.

As for Fulham wanting Bent, I'm fairly sure that there are quotes from Jol saying he's interested so I think there's definitely something in that side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on December 28, 2012, 04:28:07 PM: Here's a question does Lambert have any rules regarding where players live?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 04:30:40 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on December 28, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
Here's a question does Lambert have any rules regarding where players live?

I think Mcleish imposed a limit of 50 miles or something like that , not sure if lambert stuck to that or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2012, 04:39:49 PM: Either McLeish will actually do well there (it's about his level) or he'll turn into the new Gary Megson and go from job to job each becoming shitter. To his credit I suppose, irrespective of his last two positions he's completely toxic like O'Leary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 28, 2012, 04:44:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 28, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
We have lost internationals like Barry, Milner, downing and young and replaced them with vastly inferior players, losing both our creativity and shape - midfield needs sorting out more than any area.

we didnt buy them as fully fledged internationals though, 2 of them were just kids we took a chance on, much like we are doing now
to replace like for like we would have to go to the top clubs and prize away there best midfielders which isnt going to happen

the only realistic way of replacing these players is to do the same again, take a chance on a young player from a lower division club ie Watford (young) and Brighton (Barry) and develop them into great players.

i think thats what we are trying to do anyway
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 28, 2012, 05:00:47 PM: I am praying PL has his targets lined up and ready to join us. in the first week !!! Can see some playing time for Bowery and possibly Dereck Williams tomorrow. Michael Henke please let this be possible .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on December 28, 2012, 06:50:12 PM: Johnny Heitingas would be a great move can play central and midfield added class and experience. This guy is at everton atm not getting in team and was player of season last season. I think a loan would suit get him first team footie and villa the experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 06:58:38 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 28, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Johnny Heitingas would be a great move can play central and midfield added class and experience. This guy is at everton atm not getting in team and was player of season last season. I think a loan would suit get him first team footie and villa the experience.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/contract-cock-up-sees-everton-defender-1221122

Could be worth a Bid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2012, 07:03:53 PM: That was Yobo.

Hettinga would fit the bill, maybe Concrete can have a word.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 28, 2012, 07:27:11 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
That was Yobo.

Hettinga would fit the bill, maybe Concrete can have a word.

I wonder why he has been jettisoned by moyes after winning last seasons player of the year award at the toffees.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on December 28, 2012, 08:50:41 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 28, 2012, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
That was Yobo.

Hettinga would fit the bill, maybe Concrete can have a word.

I wonder why he has been jettisoned by moyes after winning last seasons player of the year award at the toffees.

perhaps a money or length of contract issue. Also i noticed tommy hitz was playing for everton and arrowed one towards the goal -hit the bar.

I do wonder all these calls for premier league experience which players feasible the villa can get...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2012, 10:13:18 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 28, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
We have lost internationals like Barry, Milner, downing and young and replaced them with vastly inferior players, losing both our creativity and shape - midfield needs sorting out more than any area.

Barry, Milner, Young and Downing were all championship players when we bought them. We do have short memories.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on December 28, 2012, 11:42:01 PM: young was in the premiership with watford and milner in the premiership with newcastle. Barry was barely out of the youth team and downing was injured playing against us in boros relegation season and never played in the championship
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2012, 12:09:26 AM: Young had 4 months in the PL , Milner was not a regular for struggling Newcastle, Downing's team were in the championship. So as I said they were not established premier league players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:14:09 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 29, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
Young had 4 months in the PL , Milner was not a regular for struggling Newcastle, Downing's team were in the championship. So as I said they were not established premier league players.

Get a grip mate. Barry signed on his 16th birthday, Milner and Downing were established PL players with real prospects and a Young was a star in the making.
Stop deluding yourself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2012, 12:17:15 AM: OK thanks for letting me know that. How silly of me to think that these four were not international stars when we signed them!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 29, 2012, 12:17:15 AM
OK thanks for letting me know that. How silly of me to think that these four were not international stars when we signed them!

If you think the crop of crap we signed last summer will be as good as the before mentioned you must have a screw loose somewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on December 29, 2012, 12:24:36 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 29, 2012, 12:17:15 AM
OK thanks for letting me know that. How silly of me to think that these four were not international stars when we signed them!
you lost the arguement, give up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2012, 01:07:38 AM: Where did I lose the argument?
And where did I say that the recent signings are as good as anyone else we signed in the past?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 01:11:08 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 29, 2012, 01:07:38 AM
Where did I lose the argument?
And where did I say that the recent signings are as good as anyone else we signed in the past?

You didn't, on either count.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on December 29, 2012, 01:16:55 AM: Frederick Sorenson and Mark Davies..?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2012, 01:26:52 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on December 29, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
Young had 4 months in the PL , Milner was not a regular for struggling Newcastle, Downing's team were in the championship. So as I said they were not established premier league players.

Get a grip mate. Barry signed on his 16th birthday, Milner and Downing were established PL players with real prospects and a Young was a star in the making.
Stop deluding yourself.

Indeed, Milner had played close to 200 games by the time he joined us a second time, to suggest he was anything but an established Premier League player is ridiculous. And Downing didn't play a single game in the Championship for Boro owing to him being injured, so again, to suggest he was anything other than an established Premier League player is just using semantics for the sake of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 02:10:52 AM: Quote from: villadelph on December 29, 2012, 01:16:55 AM
Frederick Sorenson and Mark Davies..?

Davies is a good footballer, but would still need a big hard git to toughen us up.

No idea on who the other is?

Re the aftab argument, Milner was a starlet from 16 that played a lot of games but never looked like being the player he became until Barry left and he moved central. Until then he was a hardworking wide midfield player but little more. Young was a gamble at the money but had a lot of suitors, but then a lot were looking at Benteke, so although different styles, comparisons can be drawn. Downing was way over priced for a guy who had scored once in a relegated Boro team, had 1 great season with us and went to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for 20 million and we will never look back, but he was the most established of the lot in terms of international caps and ability.

The money spent on the 3 discounting Barry was over 30 million. Benteke cost 7, Westwood 2. The latter can be as good as Barry in time, and Benteke will fetch similar fees that Milner and Downing did when sold on in a couple of years I am sure. I have no issue with the club signing players from the lower divisions and abroad in the main, we just need to mix in a couple of more seasoned players with them. Young settled in so well because Carew came at the same time. Milner was helped no end by a season bedding in then Petrov being with him, so was Downing. Barry had a long, long time to mature and played all over the place. The current youngsters have just as much promise as those guys IMO, but need a couple of older heads to steer them. Vlaar is a big miss, and KEA has not done what I think Lambert thought he would. Losing Gabby and the issues with Bent have not helped either. A couple of strong leaders showing them the right way and this team can grow into something really good I am sure of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 02:12:10 AM: 6"4 Danish centre back co-owned by Juve and Bologna. Last Danish centre half to come from Italy any good check. Yes please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM: Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM: Quote from: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.

Press reports today saying city will sell lescott for £8m- would be a very good signing at that price .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:07:26 AM: Bolton Wanderers manager Dougie Freedman is keen to bring Stephen Warnock back to the club in January.
The full-back returns to Aston Villa after Saturday's trip to Peterborough.
Freedman told BBC Radio Manchester: "Stephen has done fantastic for us. We would like to look at that situation if Stephen would. The ball's in his court"
“
If he tells us that it's all positive, I'll go to the board and explain why we should try and do something
”
"If he expresses any interest in staying, we would certainly look at it. We've said to him that he needs to be comfortable with his decision."
Former England defender Warnock, 30, has played 14 times during his loan spell with Bolton.
Freedman continued: "He'll go away and think about it for a couple of weeks and then he'll let us know what he's feeling in January.
"If he tells us that it's all positive, I'll go to the board and explain why we should try and do something."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 08:49:32 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.

Press reports today saying city will sell lescott for £8m- would be a very good signing at that price .

Lescott would be perfect as an experienced head that you would not mid the wage outlay on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 08:50:39 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:07:26 AM
Bolton Wanderers manager Dougie Freedman is keen to bring Stephen Warnock back to the club in January.
The full-back returns to Aston Villa after Saturday's trip to Peterborough.
Freedman told BBC Radio Manchester: "Stephen has done fantastic for us. We would like to look at that situation if Stephen would. The ball's in his court"
“
If he tells us that it's all positive, I'll go to the board and explain why we should try and do something
”
"If he expresses any interest in staying, we would certainly look at it. We've said to him that he needs to be comfortable with his decision."
Former England defender Warnock, 30, has played 14 times during his loan spell with Bolton.
Freedman continued: "He'll go away and think about it for a couple of weeks and then he'll let us know what he's feeling in January.
"If he tells us that it's all positive, I'll go to the board and explain why we should try and do something."

Maybe something could be done with Davies if Lambert is after him.

I do wonder if a 6 month deal for Reo Coker is worth it when his 3 months at Ipswich is up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on December 29, 2012, 09:15:48 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM

If you think the crop of crap we signed last summer will be as good as the before mentioned you must have a screw loose somewhere.
Always good to see / hear fans givng their youngsters some respect and headroom!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2012, 09:21:29 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM

If you think the crop of crap we signed last summer will be as good as the before mentioned you must have a screw loose somewhere.

Everyday it rains in your world.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 09:35:27 AM: 'crop of crap is a bit much'. There are several very promising youngsters we've signed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:40:35 AM: Benayoun has gone back to Chelsea so he might be worth a loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:42:39 AM: Isn't Benayoun just Steven Ireland with hair? I cant see the point, we've got the talented passers, we need experienced energetic players up front and in midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on December 29, 2012, 09:45:26 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.

Press reports today saying city will sell lescott for £8m- would be a very good signing at that price .

And he supports the club doesn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:45:29 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
Isn't Benayoun just Steven Ireland with hair? I cant see the point, we've got the talented passers, we need experienced energetic players up front and in midfield.

We need three or 4 players in, benayoun on a loan would be worth a shout, better attitude than Ireland in my opinion and a bit of creativity in him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:46:33 AM: Quote from: Malandro on December 29, 2012, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.

Press reports today saying city will sell lescott for £8m- would be a very good signing at that price .

And he supports the club doesn't he?

Yes he is a villa fan, uncle Harry likes him but hopefully he'd choose villa above qpr, if we wanted him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:47:19 AM: Quote from: Malandro on December 29, 2012, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 08:05:44 AM
Quote from: paulcomben on December 29, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
Joleon Lescott, anyone? Experienced centre back. Would need to take a wage cut.

Press reports today saying city will sell lescott for £8m- would be a very good signing at that price .

And he supports the club doesn't he?

Apparently so although you wouldn't know it from the way he celebrates every goal against us. He'd be a cracking signing mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:48:41 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
Isn't Benayoun just Steven Ireland with hair? I cant see the point, we've got the talented passers, we need experienced energetic players up front and in midfield.

We need three or 4 players in, benayoun on a loan would be worth a shout, better attitude than Ireland in my opinion and a bit of creativity in him.

I have him down as a fanny merchant, I reckon we'll need players with more character than him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on December 29, 2012, 09:53:43 AM: We wouldn't be signing him for his midfield grit we'd be signing him for his creativity, which is far, far superior to that fucking waste of space Ireland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 10:09:53 AM: Quote from: Ads on December 29, 2012, 09:21:29 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:20:17 AM

If you think the crop of crap we signed last summer will be as good as the before mentioned you must have a screw loose somewhere.

Everyday it rains in your world.

Perhaps this appalling season is just a bad dream then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2012, 10:19:47 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:42:39 AM
Isn't Benayoun just Steven Ireland with hair? I cant see the point, we've got the talented passers, we need experienced energetic players up front and in midfield.

Not sure about Benayoun either. Has'nt really done anything in the last few seasons and he's not quite what we need anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2012, 10:32:48 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 08:50:39 AM

Maybe something could be done with Davies if Lambert is after him.

If you mean Kevin Davies than I think he would be fantastic older head with our kids. just think how much Benteke will learn from him. However he is 35 now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 10:42:06 AM: Lescott is reportedly on £90000 a week wages so I think he'd have to take quite a drop on that if we signed him, although given and Ireland both reportedly joined us on less wages than they were on at city.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on December 29, 2012, 10:44:21 AM: Lescott would be a great signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2012, 10:45:36 AM: Quote from: London Villan on December 29, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
Lescott would be a great signing.

Yes he would. Just what we need at the back and a bloody good defender as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 11:01:18 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: London Villan on December 29, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
Lescott would be a great signing.

Yes he would. Just what we need at the back and a bloody good defender as well.

Also gets a lot of goals from corners which is something we've missed since Laursen retired.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on December 29, 2012, 11:12:59 AM: Realistically signings like Luke Moore or Zat Knight who follows Vila more likely that Lescotts

I think these are steady and quality players I would be happy if we added as they have EPL experience

Defence
Upsons Stoke
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Senderos Fulham
Dann Blackburn
Wheater Bolton
Ahmed Elmohamady can play a variety of places in defence and midfield
Stephen Ward of wolves can also do this as full back winger and make shift striker

Midfield
Tim Cahill new york redbulls loan option
Huddlestone spurs
whitehead stoke
Surman norwich
Chris Eagles bolton
Yossi Benayoun
Pedersen Blackburn
Jay Spearing

Striker
Kevin Doyle
Robbie Keane
Kevin Davies
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 11:16:09 AM: Lescott would be ideal, but I think there might be takers higher up the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on December 29, 2012, 11:31:45 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 11:16:09 AM
Lescott would be ideal, but I think there might be takers higher up the league.

I don't rate Lescott at a higher level but he would be great for us and the fact that he is a villa fan may sway it in our favour. I would take Benayoun on loan too as he gets forward slightly more than Ireland
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 11:56:06 AM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 29, 2012, 11:12:59 AM
Realistically signings like Luke Moore or Zat Knight who follows Vila more likely that Lescotts

I think these are steady and quality players I would be happy if we added as they have EPL experience

Defence
Upsons Stoke
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Senderos Fulham
Dann Blackburn
Wheater Bolton
Ahmed Elmohamady can play a variety of places in defence and midfield
Stephen Ward of wolves can also do this as full back winger and make shift striker

Midfield
Tim Cahill new york redbulls loan option
Huddlestone spurs
whitehead stoke
Surman norwich
Chris Eagles bolton
Yossi Benayoun
Pedersen Blackburn
Jay Spearing

Striker
Kevin Doyle
Robbie Keane
Kevin Davies

Benayoun and Huddlestone are the only players i'd consider there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 29, 2012, 11:59:30 AM: Agree.
Doyle I wouldn't touch with a bargepole, he's shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2012, 12:03:21 PM: Doyle is one of those strikers the pros and managers like as he works tirelessly for the team up front. However he is like Heskey in that he don't bloody score enough goals. We have one of them in Gabby who I rate and like having in the team but it is frustrating that he don't notch enough. We don't need another player in that bracket.

I like the sound of Lescott though, that could be a good move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM: According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:14:08 PM: Quote from: Ian J on December 29, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
Doyle is one of those strikers the pros and managers like as he works tirelessly for the team up front. However he is like Heskey in that he don't bloody score enough goals. We have one of them in Gabby who I rate and like having in the team but it is frustrating that he don't notch enough. We don't need another player in that bracket.

I like the sound of Lescott though, that could be a good move.

Bang on. Gabby has become a bit of a non-scoring forward of late which is unfortunate.

Th emore I think about Lescott, the more I like the idea. He's a Villa fan too isn't he, not that this is massively important.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:20:12 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

God help us if that's true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dan England on December 29, 2012, 12:24:23 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:48:41 AM

I have him down as a fanny merchant, I reckon we'll need players with more character than him.

Is that the upmarket version of a Pimp?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 12:24:45 PM: Quote from: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.

Can't see it at all, Lambert already said he'd be looking in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 29, 2012, 12:25:44 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

if this is true, we will need to put one or two H+Vers on suicide watch
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on December 29, 2012, 12:27:15 PM: Quote from: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.

Last time i said 'they aren't that stupid' was just before we appointed TSM but seriously, they aren't that stupid......... are they.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:29:36 PM: OzVilla, it'd be close on suicidal not to strengthen, I just can't see how anybody would take that approach with what's about to occur with inflated TV money so, no, I'm not having that. I think we'll buy one or two and maybe a loan. Bent to be sold.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 29, 2012, 12:31:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.

Can't see it at all, Lambert already said he'd be looking in January.

I think he'll sign some, but I have a feeling that it won't be the experience we crave, he's already stated that he's unshakeable in his belief that youth is the way forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 12:34:04 PM: Quote from: OzVilla on December 29, 2012, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.

Last time i said 'they aren't that stupid' was just before we appointed TSM but seriously, they aren't that stupid......... are they.

Lerner is an incompetent fool when it comes to football. The McLeish appointment proves that alone. I wouldn't put anything past him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on December 29, 2012, 12:46:52 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 29, 2012, 11:12:59 AM
Realistically signings like Luke Moore or Zat Knight who follows Vila more likely that Lescotts

I think these are steady and quality players I would be happy if we added as they have EPL experience

Defence
Upsons Stoke
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Senderos Fulham
Dann Blackburn
Wheater Bolton
Ahmed Elmohamady can play a variety of places in defence and midfield
Stephen Ward of wolves can also do this as full back winger and make shift striker

Midfield
Tim Cahill new york redbulls loan option
Huddlestone spurs
whitehead stoke
Surman norwich
Chris Eagles bolton
Yossi Benayoun
Pedersen Blackburn
Jay Spearing

Striker
Kevin Doyle
Robbie Keane
Kevin Davies

that entire list bar Huddlestone & Keano would make me want to cry
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2012, 01:04:58 PM: Well QPR and Reading have both said they will be adding to their squads would be madness for us to do nothing especially considering the injuries we have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on December 29, 2012, 01:05:55 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 29, 2012, 11:12:59 AM
Realistically signings like Luke Moore or Zat Knight who follows Vila more likely that Lescotts

I think these are steady and quality players I would be happy if we added as they have EPL experience

Defence
Upsons Stoke
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Senderos Fulham
Dann Blackburn
Wheater Bolton
Ahmed Elmohamady can play a variety of places in defence and midfield
Stephen Ward of wolves can also do this as full back winger and make shift striker

Midfield
Tim Cahill new york redbulls loan option
Huddlestone spurs
whitehead stoke
Surman norwich
Chris Eagles bolton
Yossi Benayoun
Pedersen Blackburn
Jay Spearing

Striker
Kevin Doyle
Robbie Keane
Kevin Davies

Jesus Christ, what a fucking awful list.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2012, 01:15:00 PM: Quote from: OzVilla on December 29, 2012, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on December 29, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

That would be mad.

Last time i said 'they aren't that stupid' was just before we appointed TSM but seriously, they aren't that stupid......... are they.

If there's one thing we know it is that the press know fuck all about our transfer dealings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 29, 2012, 01:24:32 PM: Quote from: London Villan on December 29, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
Lescott would be a great signing.

could see him at Spurzz replacing Dawson .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 29, 2012, 01:38:23 PM: Quote from: Dan England on December 29, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on December 29, 2012, 09:48:41 AM

I have him down as a fanny merchant, I reckon we'll need players with more character than him.

Is that the upmarket version of a Pimp?

I really needed that Dan to make me laugh as i am feeling like shit and looking at our potential first team is not helping :-))
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 29, 2012, 02:11:54 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
According to a feature on us in The Times today, we will be signing new players, but in the Summer NOT in January.
They'd better be fucking wrong.

I wouldn't be against this PROVIDED THAT 3 or 4 quality players are brought in on loan.

There are very few quality buys at this time of the season. Even less if you are trying to find a round peg that fits in your round hole of your plans for the future. Financial issues are extremely important and it is no point in spending, say, £8m on a player and paying him £60k a week, when he is only a short term stop-gap.

Paying 3 or 4 players £60k a week until the end of the season is a different matter as this would only amount to £3-4m. This would also possibly mean that we could attract players that would not come here if we were trying to sign them (as well as not being able to afford them). Lescott is a good example as he wants to play week in week out to keep up his match fitness level but possibly does not want to make a decision on his future at this stage of the season. Huddestone might be another. What I would not want to see is signing a player like Benayoun but hasn't he gone back to Chelsea because he is out with a possible long term injury.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2012, 05:44:35 PM: The situation has become clear to me on the way back, we need 4-5 short term loans similar to Robbie Keane seeing as i doubt the business plan will be ripped up anytime soon.

Was thinking aloud in the other thread but whatever happened to Luke Young at QPR? I'd take him back as a short term loan until the summer as he did a good job when he was here in both full back areas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 05:49:40 PM: If it is true he only has limited funds then we could well be fucked. We need a centre half, a centre mid and a forward all capable in this league now. Not end of Jan, now, to give the kids the lift they are desperate for.

Ireland needs to be got rid of too. He has no stomach for a fight and big wages. Give me 2 Westwoods over him any day.

Plus can we get Bannan and Westwood back in the side together please, at least they pass the ball to each other.

Scott Sinclair would be a good loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 29, 2012, 05:50:59 PM: Don't think we can have more than 2 players on loan. I would try to get Milner, Barry, Lescott, another foreign midfielder and a quality viking. I believe we are struggling as we got no vikings like Mellberg or Laursen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 29, 2012, 05:51:21 PM: Yes to Luke Young. We were stupid to sell him in the first place. He could slot in at left back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2012, 06:07:53 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on December 29, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Yes to Luke Young. We were stupid to sell him in the first place. He could slot in at left back.

Will Young would get in our team at the moment
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 29, 2012, 06:11:52 PM: Lets be realistic. £20m is a pittance these days. Spending £20m might get us two or three average players who'd take time to settle in. I am all for signing the Vlaar's and Benteke's but we are in a shitstorm right now and need players who can make an immediate impact now.

Realistically, we need about four or five good players who are ready to slot in straight away. You're talking £35m + (and big wages) to ensure our Premier League survival. And that's hoping our bad luck with injuries won't continue. Can anybody see us parting with that much cash?

We are stuck in a vicious circle of shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2012, 06:35:22 PM: Anyone now if Paul Scharner is playing for Hamburg much?

He's been a solid player for WBA and Wigan playing at RB, centre half or midfield.

Desperate times I'm afraid folks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 29, 2012, 07:08:16 PM: There's loads of decent players available for transfer or loan. Just depends on if we can convince them to come here, and if we can afford them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 07:15:09 PM: Lambert believes young hungry players are still the way to go, experience guarantees nothing was his comment yesterday and it seems his transfer policy will not change- very worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2012, 07:16:42 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
Lambert believes young hungry players are still the way to go, experience guarantees nothing was his comment yesterday and it seems his transfer policy will not change- very worrying.

Yes because "young and hungry" has served us so well so far this season.
God help us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on December 29, 2012, 07:55:06 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on December 29, 2012, 11:12:59 AM
Realistically signings like Luke Moore or Zat Knight who follows Vila more likely that Lescotts

I think these are steady and quality players I would be happy if we added as they have EPL experience

Defence
Upsons Stoke
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Senderos Fulham
Dann Blackburn
Wheater Bolton
Ahmed Elmohamady can play a variety of places in defence and midfield
Stephen Ward of wolves can also do this as full back winger and make shift striker

Midfield
Tim Cahill new york redbulls loan option
Huddlestone spurs
whitehead stoke
Surman norwich
Chris Eagles bolton
Yossi Benayoun
Pedersen Blackburn
Jay Spearing

Striker
Kevin Doyle
Robbie Keane
Kevin Davies

I would be sick if we signed someone as awful as Upson. Need someone who will bully a midfield like Fellaini, obviously we couldn't get him but anyone similar will do!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2012, 08:00:08 PM: Upson- Ain't played much at all at Stoke, came in today with Shawcross suspended and they conceded 3 at home to Southampton!

Kelly- Strikes me as a journeyman, nothing player. Ex SHA.

Senderos- Christ no! Imagine him and Clark waddling in our defence.

Dann- In fairness wanted him 18 months ago but really seems to have declined since then

Weater- Just a big lump and had a serious injury aswell.

Ward- Errr no.

Someone like Michael Dawson would do for central defence on loan for the rest of the season, o.k not the quickest but excellent in the air, let's face it the rest of the season is just going to be a long battle.

For the midfield I was thinking maybe of Darren Fletcher. Needs games after missing a year through illness and he would be a battling niggly presence in central midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 29, 2012, 08:01:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 07:15:09 PM
Lambert believes young hungry players are still the way to go, experience guarantees nothing was his comment yesterday and it seems his transfer policy will not change- very worrying.

I think his comment was a reflection on QPR who spent bucket loads on experienced players and it has not changed them. There are no guarantees, young or experienced, they have to have the right attitude to match their ability.

When you look around the league there are very few quality players with the right attitude that are available. The rich clubs stocking up their squads with all available and the willingness of players to sit on the bench put paid to that a long time ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM: He said he wanted hungry players. That can include an older head, aslong as the desire exists.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2012, 08:06:41 PM: Well Lampard would fit that bill but no chance of him coming here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 09:19:55 PM: He did not say we would not be buying either, he said he will discuss plans with Lerner. I think 2-3 will arrive. Anyone can see a big hard centre mid and a centre half are musts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:24:04 PM: This morning we were discussing lescott, Parker , benayoun, tonight I get the feeling those names are pie in the sky and I expect our new arrivals to be lower league players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 29, 2012, 09:24:56 PM: Did he say he still wants youth?

What were tonight's quotes?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:29:25 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Did he say he still wants youth?

What were tonight's quotes?

Radio wm, believes his policy is the right way to go .experienced players guarantee nothing , the club has done down the experienced route and where has it taken them etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 09:30:55 PM: I would seriously take Reo Coker on a free if his Ipswich deal is up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 29, 2012, 09:54:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Did he say he still wants youth?

What were tonight's quotes?

Radio wm, believes his policy is the right way to go .experienced players guarantee nothing , the club has done down the experienced route and where has it taken them etc.

Oh shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 29, 2012, 09:54:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 29, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Did he say he still wants youth?

What were tonight's quotes?

Radio wm, believes his policy is the right way to go .experienced players guarantee nothing , the club has done down the experienced route and where has it taken them etc.

What is that supposed to mean. Has Paul Lambert said tonight that he would not bring experienced players in? Or as usual, have comments been disected, words removed so as to read as something completely different to the original interview?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2012, 09:56:41 PM: To paraphrase he said he wanted hungry players. That is the only definitive comment. People have taken that to mean youthful, but its very subjective.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 29, 2012, 09:59:12 PM: Quote from: Ads on December 29, 2012, 09:56:41 PM
To paraphrase he said he wanted hungry players. That is the only definitive comment. People have taken that to mean youthful, but its very subjective.

Did you not see his press conference yesterday as well ? Seems pretty happy with his policy of signing players- I certainly from hearing him yesterday and tonight get the impression that he is not looking to sign older experienced players.

I hope his meeting with Lerner brings about a decision to spend big money and to buy quality and experience- if not i fear the worst.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2012, 10:11:18 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
I would seriously take Reo Coker on a free if his Ipswich deal is up

He's barely started for them as he didn't have a pre season thinking a champions league club would come in for him after he left Bolton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM: My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2012, 11:46:00 PM: I suspect that all his resources are set up to look for young and affordable players - which is quite right in normal circumstances - however my fear is that this injury and form crisis might catch him out. I doubt he has a shortlist of experienced players who he will have completed his due diligence (i.e. checked they're "hungry" enough etc) and schmoozed their agents etc.

Maybe not the end of the world as his knowledge of established players should be pretty good, but QPR have proven that more than just experience is required.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2012, 12:09:52 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Me too. Sell a goalscorer when we can't score goals, and get a total bottler back when we need leaders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 12:10:14 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
I suspect that all his resources are set up to look for young and affordable players - which is quite right in normal circumstances - however my fear is that this injury and form crisis might catch him out. I doubt he has a shortlist of experienced players who he will have completed his due diligence (i.e. checked they're "hungry" enough etc) and schmoozed their agents etc.

Maybe not the end of the world as his knowledge of established players should be pretty good, but QPR have proven that more than just experience is required.

Agree Dante. QPR signed a bunch of players renowned for being injured regularly (Johnson, Zamora) and having questionable attitudes (Boswinga). You would hope that we would have more sense than that really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2012, 12:14:52 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
I suspect that all his resources are set up to look for young and affordable players - which is quite right in normal circumstances - however my fear is that this injury and form crisis might catch him out. I doubt he has a shortlist of experienced players who he will have completed his due diligence (i.e. checked they're "hungry" enough etc) and schmoozed their agents etc.

Maybe not the end of the world as his knowledge of established players should be pretty good, but QPR have proven that more than just experience is required.

Agree Dante. QPR signed a bunch of players renowned for being injured regularly (Johnson, Zamora) and having questionable attitudes (Boswinga). You would hope that we would have more sense than that really.

I am sure QPR fans could say something very similar about our 'distinctive' transfer strategy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 02:35:13 AM: Quote from: Ross on December 30, 2012, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
I suspect that all his resources are set up to look for young and affordable players - which is quite right in normal circumstances - however my fear is that this injury and form crisis might catch him out. I doubt he has a shortlist of experienced players who he will have completed his due diligence (i.e. checked they're "hungry" enough etc) and schmoozed their agents etc.

Maybe not the end of the world as his knowledge of established players should be pretty good, but QPR have proven that more than just experience is required.

Agree Dante. QPR signed a bunch of players renowned for being injured regularly (Johnson, Zamora) and having questionable attitudes (Boswinga). You would hope that we would have more sense than that really.

I am sure QPR fans could say something very similar about our 'distinctive' transfer strategy.

I suppose they could Ross, although I'd still maintain Paul Lambert's signings haven't been that bad.

As for this coming window, I think we need players in the following positions:

CB (unless Dunne can step up)
DCM (need a physical presence in central midfield)
AM (need someone who can link the play and offer a goal threat)
Wide Player (really need a wide option who can create chances)

I also think we could do with a LB, even if it's only on loan until the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on December 30, 2012, 02:43:58 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Somebody told me that Lambert likes to keep the play narrow (hence the lack of reliance upon wingers and more of a focus on having three up top and using attacking central midfielders) so I doubt we'll be taking Downing back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on December 30, 2012, 04:21:39 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
I would seriously take Reo Coker on a free if his Ipswich deal is up
Me too. On a free it'd be worth it. Even his presence in the dressing room could be useful. If we brought him in, you'd hope we'd get him fit soon enough. It's not like we're a tactically complex side, so NRC could fit in easily enough doing what he does, and that's disrupting the opposition and driving the side forward with his running. He's a walk in captain too.

I'd like to sign 2-3 really solid pro's for the central areas in the side. We're spine less at the minute.
Is Scott Parker fit/available?
Unlikely he'd come, but an offer for Nolan might be an idea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villanic on December 30, 2012, 04:35:48 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
I would seriously take Reo Coker on a free if his Ipswich deal is up

I wouldn't mind if we resigned Reo-Coker. He's a decent player & the sort of player we need at the minute, someone to battle for the ball in midfield and keep possesion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on December 30, 2012, 08:16:29 AM: Where is the leadership in this team ?

That is what we need and someone to complement Benteke up front (it could be Bent if we ever get him off the treatment table).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 30, 2012, 09:17:37 AM: Reo Coker is worth a 6 months deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 30, 2012, 09:18:48 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.
Can't see that now Sturridge is going there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 30, 2012, 09:20:29 AM: If Transfer windows open in January 1st. This means we can start bringing in new blood in 48 hours time (assuming we open at 9am in NYD)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2012, 09:56:57 AM: We need a lift. A new signing would help.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

Who-Lerner or lambert won't pay?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2012, 10:16:27 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 30, 2012, 09:20:29 AM
If Transfer windows open in January 1st. This means we can start bringing in new blood in 48 hours time (assuming we open at 9am in NYD)

Clubs virtually never sign anyone on Bank Holidays, or match days. The transfer window opens on the second, effectively.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 30, 2012, 10:19:24 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

Presumably Clint Dempsey would have wanted a lot more than that and Vlaar, an established Dutch international, would be in the 40-50k catagory? Cant see it myself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:19:56 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

Who-Lerner or lambert won't pay?

Lerner obviously, if it has come from the financial department.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:21:03 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on December 30, 2012, 10:19:24 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

Presumably Clint Dempsey would have wanted a lot more than that and Vlaar, an established Dutch international, would be in the 40-50k catagory? Cant see it myself.

Vlaar will not be on more than 30k at Villa and that was probably doubling his wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on December 30, 2012, 10:27:10 AM: My best guess is that Bent will join either Fulham, QPR (despite Arry) or West Ham. A London club basically.

What we sell him for is what we'll be spending.

Hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:30:18 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes of course they are, but, any new signings will not be paid more and it seems they are actively trying to sell anybody who earns more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 10:34:50 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:30:18 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes of course they are, but, any new signings will not be paid more and it seems they are actively trying to sell anybody who earns more.

Can't see it, top players want top wages and if they imposed a 30k wage bracket we would not be able to attract the sort of quality needed - there must always be exceptions if the right player is available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2012, 10:40:00 AM: 30k a week in the Premier League? Explains why we won't be signing any existing PL players which are desperately needed.

A worrying thought: if this is the policy in the Premier League, imagine what it would be like if we were relegated. I would imagine at least 50% of the squad would be moved on, which would almost certainly kill any promotion prospects for a few seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2012, 10:44:01 AM: I don't believe the £30K thing to be honest, maybe the average wage of the squad but not the limit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2012, 10:56:26 AM: Based on 30 players @ 30k/week = 47m. Okay that ignores a swathe of other employees but I'd expect the first team squad to be the largest proportion of the total. Our last accounts revealed wages were about 80m.

I'd actually suggest it is a decent target as long as it is the average across the whole squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 11:02:08 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:30:18 AM
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Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes of course they are, but, any new signings will not be paid more and it seems they are actively trying to sell anybody who earns more.

Can't see it, top players want top wages and if they imposed a 30k wage bracket we would not be able to attract the sort of quality needed - there must always be exceptions if the right player is available.

Did we sign a top player in the summer? Nope and that's why we are struggling. So it doesn't seem that far from the truth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:05:51 AM: A wage bill target in terms of cash over a year will have been set I am sure, but I very much doubt it is 30k a week for any one player. It will be flexible to fit inside a cash envelope, I imagine around £50 million.

I see Dunne to New York Red Bulls is gathering a bit o speculation that it will go through in January. Makes 2 central defenders a must for me, Vlaar and Baker are injury prone and Clark will get suspensions, so to be solid and make the 3-5-2 work you have to have a set of proper good central defenders and a pair of good holding players. Get those positions sorted and we will be ok IMO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2012, 11:06:19 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes, and they'll soon be out the door because of it.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Lerner's cutbacks will cost us our PL status.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 11:12:16 AM: I'm still not sure about this £30k limit. If for the sake of argument Clint Dempsey had turned down Spurs and joined us in the summer, i think we would offered him more than £30k a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on December 30, 2012, 11:14:39 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes, and they'll soon be out the door because of it.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Lerner's cutbacks will cost us our PL status.

I'd say we need Given, Bent and Ireland off the books asap. None of them have given us anything this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:17:31 AM: Quote from: OzVilla on December 30, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 30, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

Yes, and they'll soon be out the door because of it.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Lerner's cutbacks will cost us our PL status.

I'd say we need Given, Bent and Ireland off the books asap. None of them have given us anything this season.

Bent, Given, Dunne and Ireland are probably near on 250k a week between them. I am fairly sure we could get 6 players in their wage bracket that would all contribute significantly more to the first team at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 11:17:58 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
I'm still not sure about this £30k limit. If for the sake of argument Clint Dempsey had turned down Spurs and joined us in the summer, i think we would offered him more than £30k a week.

I think Ozzjim has it, it's probably 30k a week average. But the fact we still have Ireland, Warnock, Dunne, Given, Hutton and Bent means there is no room for anybody else to earn more than 30k.

If we survive this year we will be in a very healthy position, but it's a big IF.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:23:13 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
I'm still not sure about this £30k limit. If for the sake of argument Clint Dempsey had turned down Spurs and joined us in the summer, i think we would offered him more than £30k a week.

I think Ozzjim has it, it's probably 30k a week average. But the fact we still have Ireland, Warnock, Dunne, Given, Hutton and Bent means there is no room for anybody else to earn more than 30k.

If we survive this year we will be in a very healthy position, but it's a big IF.

I think that for all the stick he is taking too, and some of it very rightly if we don't spend in January, Lerner has showed that he will back the manager with fees and it is wages that are the big issue. We are in the lap of the gods with injuries at the moment, I think we would have won yesterday had Baker and Westwood been fully fit to start personally, and Weimann went into the game injured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on December 30, 2012, 11:28:09 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

Some man at the Spurs game told me, we will not pay anybody more than 30k a week no matter what. He reckons he knows some financial director at Villa.

Probably bullshit, but if its true, it's very worrying.

I'd imagine Given, Bent and Ireland are all on more than £30k a week so it's probably nonsense.

We have moved on (backwards) since then, so it makes sense!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 30, 2012, 11:28:51 AM: RL has always stated that he is quite prepared to pay top wages for the right players.Apparently we offered "our Ashley" £100k per week.
The problem is Dunne, at 32, is on over £50k per week, Given, 36, on £65k per week, who gave these older players such lucrative contracts?

I applaud the current policy to be honest, i'm sick of players like N'Zog, and Ireland, mercenaries who go for the top dollar, and then give 80% if that, every game.I'm sick of players like Dunne, Beye, Heskey, Given, who come for one last pay day, the best days behind them, with no ambition, or fight.

But we do need "hungry" players, and i think if RL has confidence in Pl, which i think he has, and PL identifies someone who will cost big money, and big wages, but fits in to his philosophy, then i think he will back him.

Olsson from the Boggies would be my first signing, followed by Sissokho or Capoue.Big angry aggressive bastards who will be up for the fight, and have a will to win.

Just seen the goals again....Clark really is a liability is'nt he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 30, 2012, 12:07:11 PM: Quote from: OzVilla on December 30, 2012, 10:27:10 AM
My best guess is that Bent will join either Fulham, QPR (despite Arry) or West Ham. A London club basically.

What we sell him for is what we'll be spending.

Hope i'm wrong.

Great, he will be boosting one of our new rivals. I'd nearly keep him on the bench. At least somebody else wouldn't be benefiting from him. Yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 12:10:59 PM: I would'nt even be thinking of selling Bent, we might need his goals again to help keep us out of trouble. Selling him to a team below us would be almost as stupid as it was employing McLeish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 12:19:59 PM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
I'm still not sure about this £30k limit. If for the sake of argument Clint Dempsey had turned down Spurs and joined us in the summer, i think we would offered him more than £30k a week.

I think Ozzjim has it, it's probably 30k a week average. But the fact we still have Ireland, Warnock, Dunne, Given, Hutton and Bent means there is no room for anybody else to earn more than 30k.

If we survive this year we will be in a very healthy position, but it's a big IF.

30k average maybe, top players want top wages and I think we will make exceptions for that . We must attract quality in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2012, 01:05:17 PM: I cannot see Bent being sold until the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 01:24:09 PM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
I'm still not sure about this £30k limit. If for the sake of argument Clint Dempsey had turned down Spurs and joined us in the summer, i think we would offered him more than £30k a week.

I think Ozzjim has it, it's probably 30k a week average. But the fact we still have Ireland, Warnock, Dunne, Given, Hutton and Bent means there is no room for anybody else to earn more than 30k.

If we survive this year we will be in a very healthy position, but it's a big IF.

Hasn't it recently been stated that the wage bill is now at a manageable level? When you factor in that the players in bold (bar Hutton) and Gabby (maybe even N'Zogbia) are all on around £50,000 pw or over, it shows that we can have a sustainable wage bill and afford to pay big wages. What we desperately need to do is got some of the higher earners off the wage bill asap to free up some money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 30, 2012, 02:14:29 PM: maybe he will go in for Grant Holt ;D

old head, experience, leads from the front, not expensive
you know it makes sense
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on December 30, 2012, 02:15:36 PM: Quote from: john e on December 30, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
maybe he will go in for Grant Holt ;D

old head, experience, leads from the front, not expensive
you know it makes sense

hungry too, om nom nom
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 30, 2012, 02:26:47 PM: Demba Ba going to Chelsea by the look of it.

Lescott would be a good signing, don't believe the bullshit about him not being able to come back to Brum, he's back most weekends.

Robbie Keane should have been training with us (like Henry is with Arsenal) in preparation for his loan.

NRC - yes, should have got him back in the summer. I'd also take Barton, the horrible ******.

Anichebe would be useful and gettable too I reckon.

Can't think of much more we can do, hopefully PL and Henke can.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 02:34:04 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 30, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
Demba Ba going to Chelsea by the look of it.

Lescott would be a good signing, don't believe the bullshit about him not being able to come back to Brum, he's back most weekends.

Robbie Keane should have been training with us (like Henry is with Arsenal) in preparation for his loan.

NRC - yes, should have got him back in the summer.

Anichebe would be useful and getteble too I reckon.

Can't think of much more we can do, hopefully PL and Henke can.

Don't know about Anichebe, never really been that impressed to be honest. Keane would make a huge difference though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on December 30, 2012, 02:38:03 PM: If Lescott is available, and even remotely willing, then Villa should be in for him like a shot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 02:56:46 PM: I see mon linked with lescott and Tim Cahill- both players who could be useful to us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wolfman999 on December 30, 2012, 03:02:13 PM: Radio wm, believes his policy is the right way to go .experienced players guarantee nothing , the club has done down the experienced route and where has it taken them etc.

Three 6th place finishes and a couple of trips to Wembley I seem to remember ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 03:04:10 PM: Out of contract June 2013
Dunne, Warnock & Lichaj will all be out of contract & off the wage bill next June.
Petrov?

Out of contract June 2014
Weimann, Clarke, Baker, Gardner & Bannan - offerred new contracts
Herd, Ireland, Delfouneso, Makoun & Albrighton will have 1 year left & will be sold or let their contracts out.

Out of contract June 2015
Hutton, Bent - sold Jan or June
Holman, KEA, Guzzan, Vlar, Gabby & Delph

Out of contract June 2016
Benteke, Westwood, Bennett, Lowton, Given & N'Zogbia

There is room to bring some players in with those leaving or not wanted. The problem is are the players we want / need available? Fees & wages don't guarantee anything, Ireland's weekly wage is probably the equivalent of Benteke, Westwood, Bennett & Lowton,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM: The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 03:14:23 PM: Newcastle have agreed a deal for the Lille right back.

Danny Simpson worth a punt for a million to compete with Lowton at right back and give more options at the back. Better than Lichaj who I think has been found out a lot this season. Options at right and left back are needed in time IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2012, 03:15:11 PM: Quote from: wolfman999 on December 30, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
Radio wm, believes his policy is the right way to go .experienced players guarantee nothing , the club has done down the experienced route and where has it taken them etc.

Three 6th place finishes and a couple of trips to Wembley I seem to remember ::)

Our best player was a kid who'd played a handful of gamea in the top flight whwn we signed him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 03:32:02 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.

Especially when you think we let Friedal go for nothing because we didn't want to pay his big wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:46:42 PM: Demba ba is heading to Chelsea, talks tonight with his people, I wonder if Newcastle will express an interest in bent,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CAitken on December 30, 2012, 03:53:09 PM: Quote from: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.

Especially when you think we let Friedal go for nothing because we didn't want to pay his big wages.
I thought Friedal went for the signing on fee to pay off his soccer school debts in the US.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:55:50 PM: Quote from: mark.wheeler@hotmail.com on December 30, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.

Especially when you think we let Friedal go for nothing because we didn't want to pay his big wages.
I thought Friedal went for the signing on fee to pay off his soccer school debts in the US.

I thought we offered him a years deal but spurs offered him a better and longer deal?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2012, 03:58:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: mark.wheeler@hotmail.com on December 30, 2012, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.

Especially when you think we let Friedal go for nothing because we didn't want to pay his big wages.
I thought Friedal went for the signing on fee to pay off his soccer school debts in the US.

I thought we offered him a years deal but spurs offered him a better and longer deal?
It's quite possible that you're both right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 03:58:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:46:42 PM
Demba ba is heading to Chelsea, talks tonight with his people, I wonder if Newcastle will express an interest in bent,

Surely we can't contemplate selling him to a potential rival in the bottom seven or eight. He will score goals wherever he goes. Lambert had better have a bloody good plan if he is contemplating letting him go.

All options should be open at the moment including thinking how he might reshape his approach to help our best goalscorer do what he does best. After all, so far, our tactics have resulted in us being the lowest scorers in the whole country so his tactics have failed lamentably to date.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 04:02:05 PM: Quote from: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:46:42 PM
Demba ba is heading to Chelsea, talks tonight with his people, I wonder if Newcastle will express an interest in bent,

Surely we can't contemplate selling him to a potential rival in the bottom seven or eight. He will score goals wherever he goes. Lambert had better have a bloody good plan if he is contemplating letting him go.

All options should be open at the moment including thinking how he might reshape his approach to help our best goalscorer do what he does best. After all, so far, our tactics have resulted in us being the lowest scorers in the whole country so his tactics have failed lamentably to date.

I suppose it depends what funds lambert has available and what players he has targeted, I think bent will be sold if the money is right , it's a pity because we have waited so long for a natural finisher and I will be sad to see him go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 30, 2012, 04:05:03 PM: Quote from: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 03:46:42 PM
Demba ba is heading to Chelsea, talks tonight with his people, I wonder if Newcastle will express an interest in bent,

Surely we can't contemplate selling him to a potential rival in the bottom seven or eight. He will score goals wherever he goes. Lambert had better have a bloody good plan if he is contemplating letting him go.

All options should be open at the moment including thinking how he might reshape his approach to help our best goalscorer do what he does best. After all, so far, our tactics have resulted in us being the lowest scorers in the whole country so his tactics have failed lamentably to date.

When Bent is fit he needs to be played alongside Benteke. Benteke is going to blow hot or cold for the remainder of the season, as would be expected for a young player coming into a new league. Heaven help us if Benteke gets injured in the next couple of games. Weimann behind Bent and Benteke would give us the extra in attack to take pressure off the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 30, 2012, 04:11:51 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on December 30, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
The frightening one there is Given contracted until 2016. I think we could sell N'Zogbia.
At a supposed 65k/week for another 4 years for a goalie sitting on the bench, it is truly terrifying!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 04:16:07 PM: [/quote]
I thought Friedal went for the signing on fee to pay off his soccer school debts in the US.
[/quote]

But yet we paid £5m & £65k per week over 5 years for Given, which is the tidy sum of £20m!!!

The club is now paying for these & other costly mistakes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 04:16:20 PM: I would only sell Bent if it meant 2 attacking options that are going to be played are coming in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 04:32:00 PM: Me too.

I thought Bent would leave in January and he still could easily go but I think he needs to be kept till the summer as this is desperation now and he clearly can score goals in this league.

If we can sort this defence out, then in those type 6 pointer games against the likes of Fulham and Reading, Bent could easily pop up with the winning goal in those sorts of games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 30, 2012, 04:32:43 PM: Talking about experienced players, did anyone else see Rush and Aldridge on sky this morning.

They were both asked who the best centre half they ever faced was and they both said Barasi and Mgrath, Aldridge went on to say said of the two he would go for Paul

Oh if only we could find another like him, once in a lifetime I suppose
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM: Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 04:50:54 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....

Collins? Take it you didn't see his clanger yesterday then?

I don't really see the relevance of QPR having a side of experienced players. Nobody wants us to stop using any of the kids, just fewer of them at one go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 30, 2012, 04:53:17 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....

Collins? Take it you didn't see his clanger yesterday then?

I don't really see the relevance of QPR having a side of experienced players. Nobody wants us to stop using any of the kids, just fewer of them at one go.

It's not just any old experienced players is it, it's the right calibre ones, ones who can bring leadership and maybe a bit of toughness
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 04:55:39 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....

Along with a tendency to drop a bollock at least once every game!

But granted, he would be a better option than those who played yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 05:02:45 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....

Collins? Take it you didn't see his clanger yesterday then?

I don't really see the relevance of QPR having a side of experienced players. Nobody wants us to stop using any of the kids, just fewer of them at one go.

No i did not see it as i was so demoralised yesterday to watch any football. My point is that are squad is much to small and i think Collins was one we should of held onto, especially with Vlaar`s history of injuries. He could of been kept until January as his wages are not massive, Also surely PL has already been told how much money is available and is not just having a meeting to discuss it with Lerner ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on December 30, 2012, 05:11:37 PM: It isn't about experience, age or hair colour. It's about level of talent, quality & the way the team plays the game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 05:13:24 PM: Quote from: john e on December 30, 2012, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
Just a point about experienced players on big money. QPR are getting battered as we speak with a team of "experienced" players. I think the one player PL let go to quickly was Collins. He did have a certain positiveness in his game which would have been very helpful now .....

Collins? Take it you didn't see his clanger yesterday then?

I don't really see the relevance of QPR having a side of experienced players. Nobody wants us to stop using any of the kids, just fewer of them at one go.

It's not just any old experienced players is it, it's the right calibre ones, ones who can bring leadership and maybe a bit of toughness

This is the point. They don't need to be that good to contribute positively. They need to be good talkers, calm under pressure, lead by example and help instill some confidence. One or two have suggested Reo-Coker and he is a good shout for all those reasons. His limitations as a footballer are outweighed by the positive impact he would have as a whole.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 05:26:18 PM: Jamie Mackie anyone?

Chips in with goals, can play upfront or outwide and will run his balls off for the cause. Reminds me of Weimann so could be a good option when Bill is injured or needs a rest?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2012, 05:33:59 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Jamie Mackie anyone?

Chips in with goals, can play upfront or outwide and will run his balls off for the cause. Reminds me of Weimann so could be a good option when Bill is injured or needs a rest?

isn't he just a light version of Kevin Doyle?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2012, 05:34:05 PM: I have a little sneak that we will look at Hoolahan from Norwich.

A commanding centre half, midfield bruiser and one with a touch of flair would be a good window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2012, 05:35:09 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
I have a little sneak that we will look at Hoolahan from Norwich.

A commanding centre half, midfield bruiser and one with a touch of flair would be a good window.

he just signed a new deal to stay at Norwich
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2012, 05:38:07 PM: Time to get our European scout to tell us where to pony up a barrow load of Euros then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2012, 05:41:06 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2012, 05:38:07 PM
Time to get our European scout to tell us where to pony up a barrow load of Euros then.

that's really what I'm hoping too. I know that hire was a long term project but hopefully he's already lined up a deal or 6 for January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 30, 2012, 05:46:55 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
I have a little sneak that we will look at Hoolahan from Norwich.

Another, small attacking midfielder is not what we need, unless it is a swap for Ireland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 05:49:19 PM: Quote from: Summers on December 30, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
It isn't about experience, age or hair colour. It's about level of talent, quality & the way the team plays the game.

I agree in many respects, A couple of older heads would be nice sure, but a couple of 22 year old centre backs that are good defenders that can talk and organise, and I don't care, as they will improve the side. Similarly if Westwood is knackered, a player of his ability to bring in is what we need, to keep the balance. Experienced players are ideal, but bodies of a certain level of quality are equally as important, as injuries are killing us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 05:52:53 PM: Spurs have loads of centre backs.

I'd honestly try and get Dawson in for the rest of the season. Failing that I like Caulker and he was very good on loan at Swansea.

We've already played Spurs twice so any loans from them would be available to play all the league games for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 05:54:27 PM: Jamie Carragher would be a good shout if he could be prised away from Liverpool. Exactly the type of character that would have a positive influence on the squad. Natural leader and always gives 100 per cent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 05:56:18 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Spurs have loads of centre backs.

I'd honestly try and get Dawson in for the rest of the season. Failing that I like Caulker and he was very good on loan at Swansea.

We've already played Spurs twice so any loans from them would be available to play all the league games for the rest of the season.

Dawson was rumoured at the end of the Window wasn't. He would be ideal for us, as he is a leader, is very good on his day and would step in alongside Vlaar, Clark or Baker with ease.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 05:59:50 PM: Quote from: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Jamie Carragher would be a good shout if he could be prised away from Liverpool. Exactly the type of character that would have a positive influence on the squad. Natural leader and always gives 100 per cent.

Crikey, Nick, really? He's already too far past it for this league, and is too deeply associated with one club to be moving elsewhere now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 06:26:33 PM: I'd get Dawson, just pay more than QPR will pay. We have no choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 06:27:40 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2012, 05:59:50 PM
Quote from: nick harper on December 30, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Jamie Carragher would be a good shout if he could be prised away from Liverpool. Exactly the type of character that would have a positive influence on the squad. Natural leader and always gives 100 per cent.
Crikey, Nick, really? He's already too far past it for this league, and is too deeply associated with one club to be moving elsewhere now.

He may not be the one for us but it is that experience and leadership we are really missing. There are plenty in our squad who can do the running for players like him but he is an organiser and
talker and quite frankly I'd take anyone who can do that for us at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 06:28:24 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
Spurs have loads of centre backs.

I'd honestly try and get Dawson in for the rest of the season. Failing that I like Caulker and he was very good on loan at Swansea.

We've already played Spurs twice so any loans from them would be available to play all the league games for the rest of the season.

Dawson was rumoured at the end of the Window wasn't. He would be ideal for us, as he is a leader, is very good on his day and would step in alongside Vlaar, Clark or Baker with ease.

Dawson was leaving until Kaboul got injured.

I reckon they'd let him go as Kaboul should be back soon and they also have Gallas, Vertongehen and Caulker as options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on December 30, 2012, 06:29:45 PM: Tim Cahill anybody?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2012, 06:31:28 PM: Quote from: Summers on December 30, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
It isn't about experience, age or hair colour. It's about level of talent, quality & the way the team plays the game.
I agree it's not about hair colour however experience counts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2012, 06:32:09 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on December 30, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
Tim Cahill anybody?
Tim Overhill. Kevin Davies we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 06:34:02 PM: Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
I'd get Dawson, just pay more than QPR will pay. We have no choice.

The problem with Dawson is he's a bit injury prone. We've already got Baker who takes knocks every few games. We do need someone else at the back though and to be honest i can't think of anyone off the top of my head apart from Lescott, who i reckon might go back to Everton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 30, 2012, 06:34:24 PM: i dont think QPR will pose much of a threat in this tranfer window,
Jamie Redknap has just been saying on Sky that the club look like going down so who are you going to attract, remember they have only got 10 points

he also said whats the point in saddling the club with massive wages in the championship, its a recipe for financial disaster, and they can only make one more loan signing for some reason

i know we are not in much better shape, but if by any chance we were in for the same player, i think we would be favourite on a number of counts
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 06:35:28 PM: Everton are after Hanley at Blackburn, so I don't think Lescott will go back there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 06:39:12 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 30, 2012, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
I'd get Dawson, just pay more than QPR will pay. We have no choice.

The problem with Dawson is he's a bit injury prone. We've already got Baker who takes knocks every few games. We do need someone else at the back though and to be honest i can't think of anyone off the top of my head apart from Lescott, who i reckon might go back to Everton.

The blessed Martin is being linked with lescott, but i think he would probably choose villa over Sunderland if we were in for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2012, 06:50:27 PM: I wish we had Ian Taylor paying for us now!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 30, 2012, 06:59:27 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on December 30, 2012, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on December 30, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
Tim Cahill anybody?
Tim Overhill. Kevin Davies we need.

Now that's a good shout
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 30, 2012, 06:59:31 PM: Everybody can relax, the big man will come and play for free...

@JCarew10: I would obviously play for u for free Villans ,help my team , but would take me out in late February to get Match fit lol
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on December 30, 2012, 07:12:11 PM: Most of these players are naff. We don't even really need a centre half. Not to the point where I'd throw silly money at someone like Dawson.

We need a bit of pace/trickery in the final third and, most importantly, a centre midfielder - ideally one who's been about a bit and can lock down a midfield. In an absolutely ideal world Scott Parker on loan and Tom Ince would do. But the latter is going back to Liverpool and the former would probably not leave Spurs.

I'd try and get Marin from Chelsea on loan and then maybe someone like Britton at Swansea. Someone suggested Darren Fletcher on loan, that's a possible avenue to explore too.

It's pointless signing experience if it's shite. We've got a shedload of experience in the squad, about 400k a week and £60ms worth, infact. But they're no good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM: I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM: Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 30, 2012, 08:39:55 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.

Yes just checked , houllier is New York red bulls global adviser whatever that entails, but I'd be surprised if dunne went there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on December 30, 2012, 08:47:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.
He would fit in with the other "Supersize me" fatties there though.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.

Yes just checked , houllier is New York red bulls global adviser whatever that entails, but I'd be surprised if dunne went there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:47:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.

Yes just checked , houllier is New York red bulls global adviser whatever that entails, but I'd be surprised if dunne went there.

Global advisor is a role that involves sitting on ones arse, watching a game or two on TV or internet, sending a text once in a while and answering some quick questions on his mobile in between drinking "medicinal" red wine with some well prepared meat. He won't have any say on whether Dunne goes to New York. Given the size of the Irish community in New York it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 30, 2012, 08:48:47 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.

Yes just checked , houllier is New York red bulls global adviser whatever that entails, but I'd be surprised if dunne went there.

Global advisor is a role that involves sitting on ones arse, watching a game or two on TV or internet, sending a text once in a while and answering some quick questions on his mobile in between drinking "medicinal" red wine with some well prepared meat. He won't have any say on whether Dunne goes to New York. Given the size of the Irish community in New York it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him there.

And the size of the Burgers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 08:53:22 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on December 30, 2012, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 30, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: gervilla on December 30, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
I just read something about Dunne signing for New York Red Bulls in the next 2 weeks.
Has anyone else heard anything about this ?
.......food portion size jokes imminent.

Isn't houllier in charge of them, I'd be surprised if he wanted dunne.

No he's not. They are managed by Mike Petke right now and former Scotland manager Andy Roxburgh is their Sporting Director.

Yes just checked , houllier is New York red bulls global adviser whatever that entails, but I'd be surprised if dunne went there.

Global advisor is a role that involves sitting on ones arse, watching a game or two on TV or internet, sending a text once in a while and answering some quick questions on his mobile in between drinking "medicinal" red wine with some well prepared meat. He won't have any say on whether Dunne goes to New York. Given the size of the Irish community in New York it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him there.

I'm thinking this Global Advisor role is something I could do quite well.
Methinks Villa could do with one right now....O.K. I'll take the job.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 30, 2012, 09:54:34 PM: If e as managed to go back to work, then why did we ave to pay him off?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 30, 2012, 09:56:34 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 30, 2012, 09:54:34 PM

If e as managed to go back to work, then why did we ave to pay him off?

I imagine you saying that whilst doing a Cockney walk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dl9 on December 30, 2012, 10:02:41 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 30, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on December 30, 2012, 09:54:34 PM

If e as managed to go back to work, then why did we ave to pay him off?

I imagine you saying that whilst doing a Cockney walk.

It came across to me as more of a "hello everybody peeps innit" kind of accent...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2012, 10:39:46 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on December 30, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
Tim Cahill anybody?

Not sure what kind of shape he is in these days (didn't he have a lot of injuries before he went out to the US?), but at his best he would be the type of player we need in that attacking midfielder role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on December 30, 2012, 10:50:24 PM: Lescott
Buttner or something. Man U left back.
Keane
Mancienne
Maloney
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wolfman999 on December 30, 2012, 11:37:41 PM: According to The Telegraph, Lambert will have £10M to spend in january. If that's true (and only time will tell) with all we need, we really are screwed big time. Strap yourselves in, we're in for a bumpy ride.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:57:10 PM: 10 million plus sales was the figure. Couple of loans, couple of permanent for 5 million and 10 million goes a long way. Especially if you scout well. Lets say the beastly Ghanaian midfielder we were linked with comes for 2 million, we get Guidetti on loan, Keane on loan for 10 weeks, and Dawson for 6 million. Suddenly we are in better shape. Probably sign none of these, but it is an example that we can be better off with that much. Add another 12 for Bent and Dunnes wages going, and you could be in for 4 good signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on December 31, 2012, 12:03:06 AM: I didn't think Lescott would be remotely realistic.

If he's available, surely the likes of Everton and Tottingham would be first up. Maybe the Redscouse too. I'd still say he's actually good enough to be getting into that Citeh side. Weird, how he's been discarded so quickly this campaign.

That said, if Martin O'Neill's Slumberland are in for him, we should at least give him an alternative. Dunno if it's only a loan deal that's available, but even a short term deal would be useful to us at present.

Frimpong on loan from Arsenal and Riise from Fulham would cover some of the biggest problem areas we currently possess too, neither would be killers wage wise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:05:49 AM: There are options. Frimpong would be a great one if he is fit enough. Ramsey at Arsenal might not be a bad move for us either, play him slightly more advanced and he could get his confidence back I am sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dl9 on December 31, 2012, 12:11:43 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:05:49 AM
There are options. Frimpong would be a great one if he is fit enough. Ramsey at Arsenal might not be a bad move for us either, play him slightly more advanced and he could get his confidence back I am sure.

Lescott, Ramsey....

If only

Lester Piggott and Gordon f*ckin Ramsay perhaps, think our signings will be coming in from the likes of Crewe, Burnley and Accrington Stanley
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 12:14:09 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 29, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
My pal told me today that Bent to Liverpool with Downing coming back was a done deal. I hope he's wrong.

when Liverpoo are signing Sturridge on the 2nd
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on December 31, 2012, 12:27:13 AM: Are we allowed to sign Prem league players on loan for half a season? I thought they could only be season long loans between Prem clubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 12:38:53 AM: Quote from: Somniloquism on December 31, 2012, 12:27:13 AM
Are we allowed to sign Prem league players on loan for half a season? I thought they could only be season long loans between Prem clubs.

I think you can. We had walker on half a season loan if I remember right? Got me questioning myself now on that one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on December 31, 2012, 12:41:37 AM: Quote from: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 12:38:53 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on December 31, 2012, 12:27:13 AM
Are we allowed to sign Prem league players on loan for half a season? I thought they could only be season long loans between Prem clubs.

I think you can. We had walker on half a season loan if I remember right? Got me questioning myself now on that one.

Don't worry, yes you can as you reminded me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 12:43:00 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:57:10 PM
10 million plus sales was the figure. Couple of loans, couple of permanent for 5 million and 10 million goes a long way. Especially if you scout well. Lets say the beastly Ghanaian midfielder we were linked with comes for 2 million, we get Guidetti on loan, Keane on loan for 10 weeks, and Dawson for 6 million. Suddenly we are in better shape. Probably sign none of these, but it is an example that we can be better off with that much. Add another 12 for Bent and Dunnes wages going, and you could be in for 4 good signings.

I agree with you. A couple of loan signings will be key I think.

Gareth Barry on loan anyone? Rumors were city were looking to get rid.

Just putting it out there.............
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 31, 2012, 12:48:15 AM: I met Gareth Barry at the Halesowen Town PetrovXI game and spoke to him about coming back in January as 'winning trophies was overated', he did say he wouldn't mind coming back to Villa at some point in the future but thinks not for a while yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2012, 12:55:15 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on December 31, 2012, 12:48:15 AM
I met Gareth Barry at the Halesowen Town PetrovXI game and spoke to him about coming back in January as 'winning trophies was overated', he did say he wouldn't mind coming back to Villa at some point in the future but thinks not for a while yet.

As much as it hurt the way he left and all the shit with Liverpool the season before you feel that he loves the club. He just got frustrated at not winning things and saw other clubs making siginificant efforts. Especially when Man City came calling it was inevitable and we got the best deal we could for him. He gave us some of the very best years of his career and we just couldn't offer him the trophies he wanted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on December 31, 2012, 01:00:14 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 30, 2012, 11:57:10 PM
10 million plus sales was the figure. Couple of loans, couple of permanent for 5 million and 10 million goes a long way. Especially if you scout well. Lets say the beastly Ghanaian midfielder we were linked with comes for 2 million, we get Guidetti on loan, Keane on loan for 10 weeks, and Dawson for 6 million. Suddenly we are in better shape. Probably sign none of these, but it is an example that we can be better off with that much. Add another 12 for Bent and Dunnes wages going, and you could be in for 4 good signings.

I doubt that a paper knows how much there is to spend. In fact I rule the possibilty out completely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 02:31:51 AM: warnock coming back . Thats one Prem experience player PL wont have to find.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 31, 2012, 03:36:21 AM: Quote from: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 12:43:00 AM
Gareth Barry on loan anyone? Rumors were city were looking to get rid.

Just putting it out there.............
When he's starting matches and scoring winning goals for the league champions, I think it's unlikely that either he or his club are likely to want that to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 07:34:37 AM: On the subject of frimpong, while he looked a decent prospect 2 years ago he hasn't really kicked on and since regaining fitness has been nowhere near the same player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:19:24 AM: I would take Barry back in a shot. Exactly what we need on a 1-2 yr deal. Thoughts?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:25:46 AM: We need a couple of midfielders that have a presence and can use the ball. Spurs have it spot on with Sandro and Dembele. They can do it all between them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:26:58 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:25:46 AM
We need a couple of midfielders that have a presence and can use the ball. Spurs have it spot on with Sandro and Dembele. They can do it all between them.

100% agreed re Dembele and Sandro - I just said as such on the Ireland thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:27:43 AM: A couple of the midfielders that Lambert signed at Norwich would be useful at Villa. Snodgrass and Bradley Johnson have looked impressive this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:28:12 AM: Quote from: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:25:46 AM
We need a couple of midfielders that have a presence and can use the ball. Spurs have it spot on with Sandro and Dembele. They can do it all between them.

100% agreed re Dembele and Sandro - I just said as such on the Ireland thread.
And when one of them isn't available, they throw in Huddlestone and Parker, who aren't as good, but both decent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:30:07 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:25:46 AM
We need a couple of midfielders that have a presence and can use the ball. Spurs have it spot on with Sandro and Dembele. They can do it all between them.

Aye, makes our choice of midfielders look pretty meagre by comparison!

100% agreed re Dembele and Sandro - I just said as such on the Ireland thread.
And when one of them isn't available, they throw in Huddlestone and Parker, who aren't as good, but both decent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 08:53:56 AM: Quote from: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 08:19:24 AM
I would take Barry back in a shot. Exactly what we need on a 1-2 yr deal. Thoughts?

Would love to see it , but I think he's still very much part of city's plans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on December 31, 2012, 08:54:49 AM: Barry playing regularly for city , he ain't coming back to a team 1 place out of
relegation zone
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 08:55:39 AM: I'm waiting for the 'Bring Milner back' Yawnfest...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SteveN on December 31, 2012, 08:57:48 AM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9772010/Paul-Lambert-given-10m-to-spend-in-transfer-window-as-Aston-Villa-attempt-to-secure-Premier-League-survival.html#

Not sure how reliable the Telegraph is in terms of football gossip, not my usual choicer of paper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 09:01:41 AM: If 10mio is the number, Lambert is going to have to wheel and deal to make anything work with that. He may need to try and ship Ireland, N'Zogbia and Bent (I personally want him to stay) to add to that 10mio figure. Interesting but slightly worrying times. Oh to be a fly on the wall of that meeting between Randy and Lambert....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:02:26 AM: Quote from: SteveN on December 31, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9772010/Paul-Lambert-given-10m-to-spend-in-transfer-window-as-Aston-Villa-attempt-to-secure-Premier-League-survival.html#

Not sure how reliable the Telegraph is in terms of football gossip, not my usual choicer of paper.

£10m would be laughable in our current position, considering the amount at stake if relegated surely randy would put more money than that on the table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 09:03:30 AM: 10mil is not an awful lot if true. I wonder if the club sell Darren Bent for 12mil Lambert will get that as well.

I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 31, 2012, 09:04:08 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:02:26 AM
Quote from: SteveN on December 31, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9772010/Paul-Lambert-given-10m-to-spend-in-transfer-window-as-Aston-Villa-attempt-to-secure-Premier-League-survival.html#

Not sure how reliable the Telegraph is in terms of football gossip, not my usual choicer of paper.

£10m would be laughable in our current position.

Agreed, given how much TV money is coming into the PL next year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:04:38 AM: If we can make a few quid on some of the experienced shite that's not doing a fat lot then that might add a few quid to the coffers. Bent, Dunne, Given and Ireland may add a little.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:07:17 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:04:38 AM
If we can make a few quid on some of the experienced shite that's not doing a fat lot then that might add a few quid to the coffers. Bent, Dunne, Given and Ireland may add a little.

Dunne is injured so who would take him, given and Ireland are on huge wages and bent is the only one I can see there being interest in and he's still probably our best hope of goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on December 31, 2012, 09:08:22 AM: You get more chances of shagging Cheryl Cole than Barry or Milner back on loan in January.

Just hope we will have a new midfield enforcer and hopefully a playmaker, with experience and balls for a tough second half of the season.ﹰ
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:12:23 AM: In truth, we don't know if this £10m story is true. He'll have a budget obviously but i think if a one off player became available which would improve us massively and he was willing to come, i think Randy would pay it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 09:13:52 AM: Arry will certainly be in for Bent after yesterdays performance. Worth every penny of 12mil if he keeps them up.

and will make our manager look a incompetent stubborn fool if we go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:14:45 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:12:23 AM
In truth, we don't know if this £10m story is true. He'll have a budget obviously but i think if a one off player became available which would improve us massively and he was willing to come, i think Randy would pay it.

Whatever is to spend the club would hardly broadcast it, it's good Lerner was there to see how bad things are , I think he will give lambert far more than £10m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:15:38 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 09:13:52 AM
Arry will certainly be in for Bent after yesterdays performance. Worth every penny of 12mil if he keeps them up.

and will make our manager look a incompetent stubborn fool if we go down.

Wouldn't surprise me if bent bagged a lot of goals for qpr and if they did stay up .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mr Diggles on December 31, 2012, 09:26:33 AM: The £10m isn't even the real issue though is it? Who can we really attract with the right experience and attitude to join a club on the cusp of the relegation places who is available and wants wages we can afford in the right positions where we need players who can make an immediate impact? I'm stumped, but I guess that's why they have scouting networks. But I think if Lambert does anything useful given those constraints he will have done very well this January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:29:30 AM: Hardly the cusp of relegation. Whoever comes in will have 15-16 games to have a big say in whether we are relegated or not. The defeatism on here is something I sincerely hope has not spread through the club!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM: We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:32:08 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:29:30 AM
Hardly the cusp of relegation. Whoever comes in will have 15-16 games to have a big say in whether we are relegated or not. The defeatism on here is something I sincerely hope has not spread through the club!

I agree. As bad as the last three games have been, you just have to look forward sometimes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:34:11 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.

It is a gamble I would take only if it is used. If he is not going to play, and QPR want him, then charge them top dollar, say £15m, they may well pay it. Then use it, with the 10m, to sign 4-5 players of a higher quality. It would make us much stronger overall and probably include a couple of forwards that might see the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:37:52 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.

It is a gamble I would take only if it is used. If he is not going to play, and QPR want him, then charge them top dollar, say £15m, they may well pay it. Then use it, with the 10m, to sign 4-5 players of a higher quality. It would make us much stronger overall and probably include a couple of forwards that might see the pitch.

It would be too much of a gamble for me if we went down that road. He kept us up single handed when he came here, there's no reason why he would'nt do it again with another club and with the possibility of it being at our expense, i would'nt risk it. I'd possibly take the money if a club higher up the league wanted him although i'd still be tempted to keep him until the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 09:41:21 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 09:13:52 AM
Arry will certainly be in for Bent after yesterdays performance. Worth every penny of 12mil if he keeps them up.

and will make our manager look a incompetent stubborn fool if we go down.

I think Bent will be gone for 12 mill to QPR and keep them up . We will use some of the money for Murray at Palace and the lad at Crewe . Depressing times
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:42:37 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.

It is a gamble I would take only if it is used. If he is not going to play, and QPR want him, then charge them top dollar, say £15m, they may well pay it. Then use it, with the 10m, to sign 4-5 players of a higher quality. It would make us much stronger overall and probably include a couple of forwards that might see the pitch.

It would be too much of a gamble for me if we went down that road. He kept us up single handed when he came here, there's no reason why he would'nt do it again with another club and with the possibility of it being at our expense, i would'nt risk it. I'd possibly take the money if a club higher up the league wanted him although i'd still be tempted to keep him until the summer.

Lambert hasn't used him properly and I see nothing to suggest that he will change things to accommodate bent, sadly I fear he will go and if qpr do get him they will stay up with his goals.

However, I think villa will also probably stay up as well as qpr .

Lambert is convinced that his policy is right and we will be fine - lets hope he is right .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claret and blue blood on December 31, 2012, 09:45:55 AM: Keep Bent for god's sake , get some decent wide players to supply him and Benteke, the quality of balls into the box is abysmal at the moment, Albrighton managed to put a corner straight into the Holte End in our last match.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:47:48 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.

It is a gamble I would take only if it is used. If he is not going to play, and QPR want him, then charge them top dollar, say £15m, they may well pay it. Then use it, with the 10m, to sign 4-5 players of a higher quality. It would make us much stronger overall and probably include a couple of forwards that might see the pitch.

It would be too much of a gamble for me if we went down that road. He kept us up single handed when he came here, there's no reason why he would'nt do it again with another club and with the possibility of it being at our expense, i would'nt risk it. I'd possibly take the money if a club higher up the league wanted him although i'd still be tempted to keep him until the summer.

Lambert hasn't used him properly and I see nothing to suggest that he will change things to accommodate bent, sadly I fear he will go and if qpr do get him they will stay up with his goals.

All the more reason not to sell him to a team below us at the moment. Would Man Utd sell someone like for example Hernandez to Man City or Chelsea in January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:53:29 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 09:31:17 AM
We should keep Bent and flog him in the summer. We'll look even more stupid selling him to a rival and he keeps them up and we go down.

It is a gamble I would take only if it is used. If he is not going to play, and QPR want him, then charge them top dollar, say £15m, they may well pay it. Then use it, with the 10m, to sign 4-5 players of a higher quality. It would make us much stronger overall and probably include a couple of forwards that might see the pitch.

It would be too much of a gamble for me if we went down that road. He kept us up single handed when he came here, there's no reason why he would'nt do it again with another club and with the possibility of it being at our expense, i would'nt risk it. I'd possibly take the money if a club higher up the league wanted him although i'd still be tempted to keep him until the summer.

Lambert hasn't used him properly and I see nothing to suggest that he will change things to accommodate bent, sadly I fear he will go and if qpr do get him they will stay up with his goals.

All the more reason not to sell him to a team below us at the moment. Would Man Utd sell someone like for example Hernandez to Man City or Chelsea in January?

I wouldn't sell him either, but lambert hasn't really used him and if he needs the money for other players I see him being sacrificed- we don't know who lambert is looking to sign but not using bent has done us no favours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on December 31, 2012, 10:03:34 AM: Bent to QPR for £12m could cost us a how much if we go down?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on December 31, 2012, 10:05:19 AM: QPR are cactus, they have a huge squad as it is and have three times as many wasters as we have i would imagine they are already planning for next season in the championship, why spend another ten million.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:08:14 AM: Quote from: claret and blue blood on December 31, 2012, 09:45:55 AM
Keep Bent for god's sake , get some decent wide players to supply him and Benteke, the quality of balls into the box is abysmal at the moment, Albrighton managed to put a corner straight into the Holte End in our last match.

I look at Manure , the way they play and are set up. Very successful it is too . They would win f**k all If they never used wide men .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:09:15 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on December 31, 2012, 10:05:19 AM
QPR are cactus, they have a huge squad as it is and have three times as many wasters as we have i would imagine they are already planning for next season in the championship, why spend another ten million.

I'd expect qpr to spend far far more than £10m in this window and ship a few out as well.
They will pay big wages and splash the cash , redknapp will be in his element over the next month and sky will be virtually camped outside their training ground.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:10:10 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on December 31, 2012, 10:05:19 AM
QPR are cactus, they have a huge squad as it is and have three times as many wasters as we have i would imagine they are already planning for next season in the championship, why spend another ten million.

because they will be f**ked too If they go down with the wages all of those players on .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:12:09 AM: what worries me with QPR is , you know Twitch could pull off a few transfer coups and get them winning games . Hes got the mouth and contacts to sign players and the bonus of London .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:13:05 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:12:09 AM
what worries me with QPR is , you know Twitch could pull off a few transfer coups and get them winning games . Hes got the mouth and contacts to sign players and the bonus of London .

Exactly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on December 31, 2012, 10:19:04 AM: QPR won't be signing Bent, they won't be spending big money & why would Bent go there? They are more likely to get Keane.

Lescott, Barry, Milner, Fletcher etc.. - FFS why would any of these consider us a good move?

Frimpong - is he anything that Delph isn't? We need a couple of experienced players.

Whoever comes in we all need to get behind them & not rate them as failures before they kick a ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:26:55 AM: Frimpong is a lot better than Delph, he was dominating us at the Molineux until Petrov poll axed him, if he had stayed fit, Wolves would have most likely stayed up.

I think it could happen, remember his tweet just before the window closed in August.

Something like "Aston Villa ha ha"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:29:10 AM: Quote from: john2710 on December 31, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
QPR won't be signing Bent, they won't be spending big money & why would Bent go there? They are more likely to get Keane.

Lescott, Barry, Milner, Fletcher etc.. - FFS why would any of these consider us a good move?

Frimpong - is he anything that Delph isn't? We need a couple of experienced players.

Whoever comes in we all need to get behind them & not rate them as failures before they kick a ball.

Of course qpr will spend big - they need to stay up , they have the manager to attract good players and they have the money- spending big is their only hope .

Bent would I'm sure rather go back to London and be playing in the premiership rather than be cast aside here not getting games and with a manager who doesn't seem to want him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:30:20 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Frimpong is a lot better than Delph, he was dominating us at the Molineux until Petrov poll axed him, if he had stayed fit, Wolves would have most likely stayed up.

I think it could happen, remember his tweet just before the window closed in August.

Something like "Aston Villa ha ha"

Frimpong is nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago, since his injury he has not looked good at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 31, 2012, 10:30:44 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:12:09 AM
what worries me with QPR is , you know Twitch could pull off a few transfer coups and get them winning games . Hes got the mouth and contacts to sign players and the bonus of London .

Exactly.

i'm not worried about QPR at all,
they are only allowed one more loan signing,

and they will not throw money at a hopeless situation,
plus the fact that any player going there will have to accept he will most probably be playing championship football next season, which will inevativley have a dramatic affect on what sort of players they can bring in, ie inexperienced ones, really old ones or shit ones

they will add a couple of players,because thats what Harry does, but i dont think they will be the players we would be killing for

QPR will not be our worry, like others have said if we cant pick up a few points soon it will be Southampton who we will be watching
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:33:38 AM: Quote from: john2710 on December 31, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
QPR won't be signing Bent, they won't be spending big money & why would Bent go there? They are more likely to get Keane.

Lescott, Barry, Milner, Fletcher etc.. - FFS why would any of these consider us a good move?

Frimpong - is he anything that Delph isn't? We need a couple of experienced players.

Whoever comes in we all need to get behind them & not rate them as failures before they kick a ball.

I think most fans do get behind players , its just the Huttons and Jena's which dont help .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:34:43 AM: Quote from: john e on December 31, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 31, 2012, 10:12:09 AM
what worries me with QPR is , you know Twitch could pull off a few transfer coups and get them winning games . Hes got the mouth and contacts to sign players and the bonus of London .

Exactly.

i'm not worried about QPR at all,
they are only allowed one more loan signing,

and they will not throw money at a hopeless situation,
plus the fact that any player going there will have to accept he will most probably be playing championship football next season, which will inevativley have a dramatic affect on what sort of players they can bring in, ie inexperienced ones, really old ones or shit ones

they will add a couple of players,because thats what Harry does, but i dont think they will be the players we would be killing for

QPR will not be our worry, like others have said if we cant pick up a few points soon it will be Southampton who we will be watching

Qpr are not in a hopeless situation at all- they can turn things around and I would certainly fancy them to stay up and villa as well for that matter.

Sunderland were staring down the barrel in the bottom 3 a couple of weeks ago, a couple of wins make a huge difference .

Wouldn't be surprised to see west ham slip down into trouble in the coming weeks either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2012, 10:40:24 AM: If Lescott is available, then six months playing every week for your hometown club, spending time with his family, and the possibility of keeping the club you supported as a lad up might be more tempting than some on here think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:42:11 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Frimpong is a lot better than Delph, he was dominating us at the Molineux until Petrov poll axed him, if he had stayed fit, Wolves would have most likely stayed up.

I think it could happen, remember his tweet just before the window closed in August.

Something like "Aston Villa ha ha"

Frimpong is nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago, since his injury he has not looked good at all.

Based on what, he has hardly played for Arsenal and have you been watching Charlton?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 10:43:18 AM: Lescott, Diame and Frimpong would be a decent January i think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:44:46 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Frimpong is a lot better than Delph, he was dominating us at the Molineux until Petrov poll axed him, if he had stayed fit, Wolves would have most likely stayed up.

I think it could happen, remember his tweet just before the window closed in August.

Something like "Aston Villa ha ha"

Frimpong is nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago, since his injury he has not looked good at all.

Based on what, he has hardly played for Arsenal and have you been watching Charlton?

Have you seen him play well recently?
You seem to be basing your opinion on what you saw when he was at wolves .
I have seen Charlton twice and a workmates is a regular there, frimpong has been average at best for them.

The frimpong who was at wolves looked a class act , since his injury he is not the same .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2012, 10:46:49 AM: QPR can turn it around?

Based on what? They have been out of their depth for two seasons. They cannot win a half time raffle away from home which leaves them with it all to do at Loftus Road.

Yeaterday they got torn to shreds by a side that had conceded six in their past three games. They have to win all their remaining home games, which they wont.

Down they go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 31, 2012, 10:47:20 AM: It is very difficult to avoid paying a premium in January.

I can't see 10m being anywhere near enough but hey ho, in Randy we trust.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2012, 10:48:37 AM: Unless Randy has leaked it or Lambert leaked it, how would they know?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 10:48:56 AM: Frimpong has come back from a long lay off, it was probably all about getting match fit at Charlton. I think he'd be worth taking until the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:49:28 AM: Quote from: Ads on December 31, 2012, 10:46:49 AM
QPR can turn it around?

Based on what? They have been out of their depth for two seasons. They cannot win a half time raffle away from home which leaves them with it all to do at Loftus Road.

Yeaterday they got torn to shreds by a side that had conceded six in their past three games. They have to win all their remaining home games, which they wont.

Down they go.

Lets see what changes they make in January , redknapp saved Pompey and he can save qpr.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2012, 10:49:57 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Frimpong is a lot better than Delph, he was dominating us at the Molineux until Petrov poll axed him, if he had stayed fit, Wolves would have most likely stayed up.

I think it could happen, remember his tweet just before the window closed in August.

Something like "Aston Villa ha ha"

Frimpong is nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago, since his injury he has not looked good at all.

Based on what, he has hardly played for Arsenal and have you been watching Charlton?

When I checked the other day he'd been subbed in the last two games, defeats to lowly Sheffield Wed and Ipswich, and was pulled at half time in the latter.

Most people putting him forward are probably doing so on the basis of a good half against us last year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2012, 10:50:13 AM: You must have seen something that I haven't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:53:03 AM: Two posts from a Charlton forum on Frimpong and Stephens we are supposedly still after.

"Both Stephens and Frimpong are class players. Frimpong is the best ball winning and holding midfielder we've had since Parker."

&

"I would add "potentially" to that comment on Frimpong addickted. He needs to get a brain to add to the undoubted skill in his feet."

They all love Stephens, but think he has been affected by not getting the move to us after we bid for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2012, 10:56:37 AM: Stephens is 6' 1". This must make him half a foot taller than the rest of our midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:00:20 AM: Quote from: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 10:53:03 AM
Two posts from a Charlton forum on Frimpong and Stephens we are supposedly still after.

"Both Stephens and Frimpong are class players. Frimpong is the best ball winning and holding midfielder we've had since Parker."

&

"I would add "potentially" to that comment on Frimpong addickted. He needs to get a brain to add to the undoubted skill in his feet."

They all love Stephens, but think he has been affected by not getting the move to us after we bid for him.

Searched frimpong on their search forum and not good comments-

Frimpong has done nothing for us, I just said that it's been a calculated gamble that didn't work. Not even in the squad yesterday so he's probably gone anyway.

Should be brought back and Frimpong sent back surely? Sending Danny out on loan to make room for Frimpong was another comical mistake.

No loans in the team today and in some aspects it was an improved performance so it proves that the- players that Powell has brought in this season have weakened the side when it needed to be strengthened.

I would rather watch BWP than Fuller, Evina than Seaborne and Pritchard than Frimpong.

Frimpong has looked like a player trying to get fit and not putting in the effort .

I hear that Frimpong is a Big Time Charlie footballer off the field...just the sort we need right now.

Read more: http://intothevalley.proboards.com/index.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on December 31, 2012, 11:10:53 AM: Scott Parker on loan if Spurs buy a midfielder in the Window.Worried bout injuries but kind of leader we need in the middle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:11:51 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on December 31, 2012, 11:10:53 AM
Scott Parker on loan if Spurs buy a midfielder in the Window.Worried bout injuries but kind of leader we need in the middle.

Top quality player and exactly what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:12:07 AM: I'd still take Frimpong until the end of the season. There's potential and still plenty of time for him to get his form back. He does tend to get booked a lot though which is the downside to his game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:14:01 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
I'd still take him until the end of the season. There's potential and still plenty of time for him to get his form back. He does tend to get booked a lot though which is the downside to his game.

We need players to come in and hit the ground running, not someone who needs plenty of time to get his form back, if he's no good at charlton then frimpong is not going to cut it here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:20:08 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
I'd still take him until the end of the season. There's potential and still plenty of time for him to get his form back. He does tend to get booked a lot though which is the downside to his game.

We need players to come in and hit the ground running, not someone who needs plenty of time to get his form back, if he's no good at charlton then frimpong is not going to cut it here.

Parker would be a better bet obviously. Maybe Frimpong would be a better bet next season when his fitness is up but i would'nt be too disapointed if he came in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 31, 2012, 11:24:58 AM: This is exactly the sort of moment in Championship manager when you used to add yourself as a new manager of Utd or Chelsea and make them buy Ireland and Hutton off you for 80 million :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on December 31, 2012, 11:25:00 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 31, 2012, 11:10:53 AM
Scott Parker on loan if Spurs buy a midfielder in the Window.Worried bout injuries but kind of leader we need in the middle.

Top quality player and exactly what we need.

Great player, but were dreaming if we think were going to sign an England International on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:25:07 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
I'd still take him until the end of the season. There's potential and still plenty of time for him to get his form back. He does tend to get booked a lot though which is the downside to his game.

We need players to come in and hit the ground running, not someone who needs plenty of time to get his form back, if he's no good at charlton then frimpong is not going to cut it here.

Parker would be a better bet obviously. Maybe Frimpong would be a better bet next season when his fitness is up but i would'nt be too disapointed if he came in January.

Parker would be ideal, I agree if frimpong could ever rediscover his fitness and form he would maybe be a viable option in the summer but not at the moment. Also he has problems with discipline and in not sure lambert would like that sort of character- he was recently fined and warned by the fa for calling spurs fan scum yid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 31, 2012, 11:25:11 AM: Bent could score 20 goals for QPR between now and May and they'd still finish in the bottom two with their current defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:26:20 AM: Quote from: The Man With A Stick on December 31, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Bent could score 20 goals for QPR between now and May and they'd still finish in the bottom two with their current defence.

Maybe but their current defence now will not be their defence in a months time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on December 31, 2012, 11:35:05 AM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
I'd still take Frimpong until the end of the season. There's potential and still plenty of time for him to get his form back. He does tend to get booked a lot though which is the downside to his game.
The tannoy thing still makes me chuckle ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 31, 2012, 11:35:52 AM: QPR could do it but don't forget they've got some really tough games coming up (Chelsea, Spurs) so the gap's probably going to get even bigger before they can begin to try and claw it back.

I listened to an interview with Redknapp and while he most certainly is a chancer, there's a lot to like, he says what he thinks, doesn't pull many punches. Not sure he can pull this one off though...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 31, 2012, 11:36:40 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 11:26:20 AM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on December 31, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
Bent could score 20 goals for QPR between now and May and they'd still finish in the bottom two with their current defence.

Maybe but their current defence now will not be their defence in a months time.

Can't see anyone going there without having a release on a free transfer if relegated clause in their contracts
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on December 31, 2012, 12:05:56 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on December 31, 2012, 11:35:52 AM
QPR could do it but don't forget they've got some really tough games coming up (Chelsea, Spurs) so the gap's probably going to get even bigger before they can begin to try and claw it back.

I listened to an interview with Redknapp and while he most certainly is a chancer, there's a lot to like, he says what he thinks, doesn't pull many punches. Not sure he can pull this one off though...

Tony Fernandes has a tough decision, they are only allowed 1 more loan signing then they will have to buy players - big gamble as they already have a massive wage bill, if they go down, could be disasterous. Would he want to add to it...unless he believes Harry can get them out of it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM: Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:20:27 PM: Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.

Sounds interesting, any fee mentioned?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 12:22:01 PM: Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.

6'4" eh....no chance at all...Stoke will sign him!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 31, 2012, 12:28:41 PM: Being reported that Lerner is backing Lambert with funds.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/lerner-to-back-lambert-3339609.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on December 31, 2012, 12:35:10 PM: I just hope he spends it wisely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 12:40:19 PM: Quote from: danlanza on December 31, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
I just hope he spends it wisely.

In fairness, i think he has already. Just an old head or two would have been good as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: preston28 on December 31, 2012, 12:41:33 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on December 31, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
Being reported that Lerner is backing Lambert with funds.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/lerner-to-back-lambert-3339609.html

Daily Telegraph reports that he will be given £10 million to spend and will sell senior players if he can.
He won't get much for £10M?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:41:48 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.

6'4" eh....no chance at all...Stoke will sign him!

Oh no they won't, he plays football not rugby ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM: Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:46:54 PM: I think 2 centre halves that are good quality are a must if Dunne is going. Baker and Vlaar are injury prone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:47:54 PM: I still think the 10m is a finger in the air. I reckon around 15 will be spent in total, with a couple of loans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:48:38 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.

Pity he rarely showed that attitude in his last year here .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:49:29 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:47:54 PM
I still think the 10m is a finger in the air. I reckon around 15 will be spent in total, with a couple of loans.
e

I think if bent goes as well we will spend £20/25m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:56:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.

Sounds interesting, any fee mentioned?

No fee mentioned, but he's co-owned so it shouldn't cost too much, i'd say about 2.5 million for the full transfer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 01:05:11 PM: If we can shift Bent for £10m and a couple of others it should give us circa £25m to get some decent players in. That outlay will be a drop in the ocean compared to what we stand to lose if the worst happens. Time to be brave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on December 31, 2012, 01:05:33 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 12:47:54 PM
I still think the 10m is a finger in the air. I reckon around 15 will be spent in total, with a couple of loans.
e

I think if bent goes as well we will spend £20/25m
I would hope the club would not be stupid enough to sell Bent when we are the lowest scorers in the league.our main goal threat has gone off the boil and our other goal scorer still looks injured
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on December 31, 2012, 01:15:27 PM: Johnny Heitinga is unhappy at Everton & wants to move this January. Just what we need to give our defence some exeperience.

Perhaps Lambert should give Johnaton Hogg a call. Some of Zola's mercenaries/loanees at Watford have done very well this season - the centre forward Vydra in particular. Would come cheaply with plenty of match fitness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 01:17:26 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.

Pity he rarely showed that attitude in his last year here .

True, but it's the attitude we need at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:18:21 PM: Randy has shown before he's not afraid to get us out the shit in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 01:30:46 PM: 10m isn't going to do much good. Thing is i'm not sure 20m will either ATM. On paper at least, we should have enough to avoid relegation but Lambert needs to go back to basics. He should be drilling that defence in training every day for however long it takes so every member of it knows eaxctly what they're doing. He can't make them world beaters but he can at least organise them so we don't ship 3 goals every match. If the players have confidence in what they're doing, morale will improve ten-fold - another headless chicken performance against swansea and i think Lambert's had it. A few old hands joining in January would be good but if they're flung into the current chaotic and disorganised set-up they're gonna struggle to make any impact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 01:35:22 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 01:30:46 PM
10m isn't going to do much good. Thing is i'm not sure 20m will either ATM. On paper at least, we should have enough to avoid relegation but Lambert needs to go back to basics. He should be drilling that defence in training every day for however long it takes so every member of it knows eaxctly what they're doing. He can't make them world beaters but he can at least organise them so we don't ship 3 goals every match. If the players have confidence in what they're doing, morale will improve ten-fold - another headless chicken performance against swansea and i think Lambert's had it. A few old hands joining in January would be good but if they're flung into the current chaotic and disorganised set-up they're gonna struggle to make any impact.

I think midfield is a bigger problem than defence gnasher, with Vlaar and baker fit we will be more solid but our midfield is lacking badly in quality and creativity and needs at least two really top additions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on December 31, 2012, 01:41:35 PM: The midfield offers very little protection to our defence.2 midfielders that are an improvement on our current choices could see us become a totally different team.Scoreless draws v Stoke and Arsenal suggest the defence can be tight enough .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 01:46:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 01:30:46 PM
10m isn't going to do much good. Thing is i'm not sure 20m will either ATM. On paper at least, we should have enough to avoid relegation but Lambert needs to go back to basics. He should be drilling that defence in training every day for however long it takes so every member of it knows eaxctly what they're doing. He can't make them world beaters but he can at least organise them so we don't ship 3 goals every match. If the players have confidence in what they're doing, morale will improve ten-fold - another headless chicken performance against swansea and i think Lambert's had it. A few old hands joining in January would be good but if they're flung into the current chaotic and disorganised set-up they're gonna struggle to make any impact.

I think midfield is a bigger problem than defence gnasher, with Vlaar and baker fit we will be more solid but our midfield is lacking badly in quality and creativity and needs at least two really top additions.

I agree it badly needs quality but a lot of the goals scored against us in this deluge have been just awful defending - stuff that Div1 teams would be ashamed off. If you've got a woeful midfield or attack then you can survive to a certain extent, but if the opposition can run through your defence at will you've not got a hope. As many have pointed out, 15 goals in the last 3 games flattered us, could have been much much worse. I can't imagine Lerners going to allow more than three purchases so whoever comes in will need to hit the floor running so it would help if the current guys know what they're supposed to be doing. I'd bring Keane back for starters for morale more than anything, midfield and defence i have no idea - 2 experienced pro's who will come to us on the cheap and steady the ship......beats me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 01:46:29 PM: You're right gregnash but injuries and the rapid rate of games is probably preventing any serious training at the moment.

Take Herd for example, he's getting abused, yet I feel few people forget that he's hardly played twenty-odd matches himself and is being asked to play out of position as CB. Regardless, he always give it everything and certainly never hides. He's no messi but his spirit and commitment should be recognised and can only be good for the club in the long run.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on December 31, 2012, 01:49:01 PM: Just been reading one of the 'gossip' columns, and read that QPR are 'preparing' a bid of £7.5 million for Yann M'Vila, plus a bid (of £3.5 million) to activate the release clause for Diame.

I can think of much worse ways to spend £11 million (although that seems low for M'Vila, I thought he was linked with Barca and all sorts for about twenty-odd in the summer?).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 31, 2012, 01:52:19 PM: Calling Michael Henke. Bring on a selection of young european gladiators that will enter the Villa Park arena and bring back pride, fighting spirit and technical ability. We are in a battle and 3-4 players of the right ilke and attitude can turn this battle around .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 01:52:39 PM: Yeah I seem to recall Wenger being linked with him and the fee was anticipated to be 20M-ish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:55:16 PM: I got a feeling Craig Gardner will be coming back in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 01:56:03 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
You're right gregnash but injuries and the rapid rate of games is probably preventing any serious training at the moment.

Take Herd for example, he's getting abused, yet I feel few people forget that he's hardly played twenty-odd matches himself and is being asked to play out of position as CB. Regardless, he always give it everything and certainly never hides. He's no messi but his spirit and commitment should be recognised and can only be good for the club in the long run.

well yes. Give me a Herd over an Ireland any day. Trouble is of the experienced players there's not many who actually want to be here or care about the club- Probably gabby, Bent and petrov. QPR syndrome
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:56:56 PM: I like Diame, but not for the wages he will want.
Ok, we need to try and stay up. But, we can't cripple ourselves with massive earners. Especially if our attempt to stay up fails.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 01:57:59 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
You're right gregnash but injuries and the rapid rate of games is probably preventing any serious training at the moment.

Take Herd for example, he's getting abused, yet I feel few people forget that he's hardly played twenty-odd matches himself and is being asked to play out of position as CB. Regardless, he always give it everything and certainly never hides. He's no messi but his spirit and commitment should be recognised and can only be good for the club in the long run.

.

Herd or Clark in midfield alongside Westwood ahead of a back four would provide much more cover for the defence and then we need a couple of creative midfielders.

Herd and clark as a defensive midfielder would be ok but neither are good enough centre halves, I much prefer baker alongside Vlaar when all fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2012, 01:58:22 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on December 31, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
This is exactly the sort of moment in Championship manager when you used to add yourself as a new manager of Utd or Chelsea and make them buy Ireland and Hutton off you for 80 million :)

It's not just me then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 01:58:47 PM: Lambert has made it clear that youth is something he will still look to sign today. If true, it has to be of a standard that can work with some of our better players and straight into the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:59:40 PM: Why not go with Clark and Herd with Ireland in the middle. there's a better balance there. With Holman and Gabby wide of Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on December 31, 2012, 02:02:30 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Lambert has made it clear that youth is something he will still look to sign today. If true, it has to be of a standard that can work with some of our better players and straight into the side.

I suppose on what he means by 'youth', in a way. If he means in the sense of not signing players twenty-nine plus, then I think he's probably right. On the other hand, I don't think another couple of twenty-one year-olds are likely to help us out too much at the moment.

But players twenty-four to twenty-eight are often at the peak of their powers, well-established first-team players of some experience and, as such, cost a fair bit of money. But it's these I think he should be looking at bringing in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 02:02:52 PM: Good analysis from the BBC here about the January transfer window. To paraphrase Comoli "nearly all players from the continent are for sale". Let's hope Henke has done his homework...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20793698
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on December 31, 2012, 02:06:11 PM: Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: BenEeles on December 31, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
Several Italian newspapers are linking us with a move for Bologna centre back/right back Federik Sorensen. He's 6"4 and only twenty years old. Played for Denmark's under 21's 5 times and made 17 first team appearances for Juventus when he played there. Would be an interesting signing and hopefully would tighten things up at the back.

Sounds interesting, any fee mentioned?

No fee mentioned, but he's co-owned so it shouldn't cost too much, i'd say about 2.5 million for the full transfer.

Not exactly the experienced player many have been saying we need. More one for the future, although anyone who has had central defence experience would be a plus just now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 02:06:52 PM: I'd offer Lampard a 2 and a half year deal with a coaching job. He can only say no. (yes i have been drinking)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mr Diggles on December 31, 2012, 02:06:58 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.

Wasn't he doing that anyway a few seasons ago? Oh, no I just checked. He was being paid by Villa for doing nothing. My mistake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 02:07:35 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Why not go with Clark and Herd with Ireland in the middle. there's a better balance there. With Holman and Gabby wide of Benteke.

I prefer Westwood with herd or Clark, don't really think Ireland, Holman or gabby are the answer to provide creativity, would like a couple of quality creative players signed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:18:24 PM: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8374109/Aston-Villa-boss-Paul-Lambert-is-unlikely-to-spend-much-in-January

Latest from Sky: Interview with Paul Lambert
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on December 31, 2012, 02:21:58 PM: Interesting interview. I see that the players are going to have to 'go again', after Lambert has 'lifted them up'.

This is clearly an admission of a worsening state of affairs, as only last week the players were able to 'pick themselves up'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on December 31, 2012, 02:23:14 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Why not go with Clark and Herd with Ireland in the middle. there's a better balance there. With Holman and Gabby wide of Benteke.
Who are you planning to put in central defence?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 02:23:56 PM: Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8374109/Aston-Villa-boss-Paul-Lambert-is-unlikely-to-spend-much-in-January

Latest from Sky: Interview with Paul Lambert

The title was a bit mis-leading. He was'nt quoted as saying that at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 02:24:54 PM: Quote from: Dave on December 31, 2012, 02:23:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Why not go with Clark and Herd with Ireland in the middle. there's a better balance there. With Holman and Gabby wide of Benteke.
Who are you planning to put in central defence?
Vlaar and Baker. (When fit obviously) until then we can carry on with Westwood and Bannan being the midfield hard men.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on December 31, 2012, 02:29:25 PM: Managers sometimes have to hide their transfer intentions and thoughts on the playing staff from the media.Even 'Arry has said he has no intention of signing someone before winding down his window and driving to a meeting with an agent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:30:03 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8374109/Aston-Villa-boss-Paul-Lambert-is-unlikely-to-spend-much-in-January

Latest from Sky: Interview with Paul Lambert

The title was a bit mis-leading. He was'nt quoted as saying that at all.

Hi Clampy, i just copied and paste the link mate... :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on December 31, 2012, 02:32:49 PM: Ha ha
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on December 31, 2012, 02:34:58 PM: Love it when fans say, I'd have him, but not for that much and I wouldn't pay his wages. Do we REALLY care about how much it costs? Surely that's RL call? How about we just stick with wanting x y or z player and let the owner work out if its financially viable. Massive footballing cliché. Funny!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:40:43 PM: Reported on Sky Football Transfer Clockwatch:

New Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish is expected to put his own stamp on the squad in January and is reportedly plotting a raid on his former club Aston Villa. A couple of papers report that McLeish wants to sign midfielder Barry Bannan and will also look to turn full-back Alan Hutton's loan into a permanent arrangement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on December 31, 2012, 02:50:09 PM: Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Reported on Sky Football Transfer Clockwatch:

New Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish is expected to put his own stamp on the squad in January and is reportedly plotting a raid on his former club Aston Villa. A couple of papers report that McLeish wants to sign midfielder Barry Bannan and will also look to turn full-back Alan Hutton's loan into a permanent arrangement.

Barry Bannan?? He rarely played him when he was with us !!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2012, 02:50:45 PM: Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Reported on Sky Football Transfer Clockwatch:

New Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish is expected to put his own stamp on the squad in January and is reportedly plotting a raid on his former club Aston Villa. A couple of papers report that McLeish wants to sign midfielder Barry Bannan and will also look to turn full-back Alan Hutton's loan into a permanent arrangement.

He owes us that at least.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 31, 2012, 03:02:48 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on December 31, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Reported on Sky Football Transfer Clockwatch:

New Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish is expected to put his own stamp on the squad in January and is reportedly plotting a raid on his former club Aston Villa. A couple of papers report that McLeish wants to sign midfielder Barry Bannan and will also look to turn full-back Alan Hutton's loan into a permanent arrangement.

Barry Bannan?? He rarely played him when he was with us !!!!

He's welcome to him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 31, 2012, 03:04:59 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on December 31, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on December 31, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Villain1874 on December 31, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Reported on Sky Football Transfer Clockwatch:

New Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish is expected to put his own stamp on the squad in January and is reportedly plotting a raid on his former club Aston Villa. A couple of papers report that McLeish wants to sign midfielder Barry Bannan and will also look to turn full-back Alan Hutton's loan into a permanent arrangement.

Barry Bannan?? He rarely played him when he was with us !!!!

He's welcome to him.

Agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on December 31, 2012, 03:25:33 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.

How old is he now? Used to be an important player, he is missed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 03:32:13 PM: Quote from: LifelongToad on December 31, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 31, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Carew tweeted last night he'd be happy to come & play for Villa for nothing, a few more players with that kind of spirit might not go amiss.

How old is he now? Used to be an important player, he is missed!

Welcome to the site John.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 03:40:13 PM: Nursey seems to think that the bannan to forest deal could go through in January. No mention of whether it would be a possible loan or sale though.

@JamesNursey: #NFFC McLeish looking to strengthen their midfield. Linked with #AVFC Barry Bannan today & hear could happen later this month, 1 to watch
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 03:43:00 PM: Lambert seems to like wee Barry and he plays him more often than not, so unless it was a silly offer, i'd be surprised if it went through.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on December 31, 2012, 03:43:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
Nursey seems to think that the bannan to forest deal could go through in January. No mention of whether it would be a possible loan or sale though.

@JamesNursey: #NFFC McLeish looking to strengthen their midfield. Linked with #AVFC Barry Bannan today & hear could happen later this month, 1 to watch

they cannot take our midfield powerhouse!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on December 31, 2012, 04:04:42 PM: we cant let the Scottish Messi go to Forest
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 04:07:12 PM: Latest transfer news is that joe cole looks like being the first on the conveyor belt in at qpr and is reported to be in talks with uncle Harry this afternoon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 04:18:24 PM: Don't see 'onest 'enry going for Bent after what happened when he had him at Spurs. God knows where he will go.

Don't see McLeish going for Bannan at all either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 04:29:32 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 04:18:24 PM
Don't see 'onest 'enry going for Bent after what happened when he had him at Spurs. God knows where he will go.

Don't see McLeish going for Bannan at all either.

He's already said he likes bent and things are fine between them , Newcastle will be looking for a striker as well and maybe west ham- would bent pass a medical though?

"I like Darren. I've got no problems with Darren Bent," Redknapp said. "I just made a comment that maybe I shouldn't, when I said I think my missus would have scored when he missed a header that day. I can laugh at myself, I don't mind.

"It was obviously difficult, he didn't like it and that was sort of it really, and within no time he decided that he didn't want to stay. But I think he's a good player. I'd like to have Darren Bent available, believe you me. He can score goals. I've got no problem with Darren as a boy or as a player. I think he's a good player."

There is no suggestion that Bent will submit a transfer request at Villa but, by the same token, it is easy to imagine he would relish the chance to start playing football again. With that in mind, he is unlikely to rule QPR out because of what happened with Redknapp in the past.

Villa will have to take a big hit on their investment, with £10m likely to be the maximum they could hope to recoup for a player who turns 29 in February and whose manager has made it so clear that he has no future at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on December 31, 2012, 04:31:16 PM: I would be gobsmacked if Bent went i this window.It would be utter madness!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 04:46:18 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on December 31, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
I would be gobsmacked if Bent went i this window.It would be utter madness!!

I think it all depends on what other funds are available. If there's loads of money then you're correct, but if money is tight we need to sell any investment which is not providing value for money on the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on December 31, 2012, 04:54:28 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
I'd offer Lampard a 2 and a half year deal with a coaching job. He can only say no. (yes i have been drinking)
If Lampard were to move, I would imagine uncle Harry at QPR would be the only move he would consider.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 04:58:05 PM: Quote from: andyh on December 31, 2012, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 31, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
I'd offer Lampard a 2 and a half year deal with a coaching job. He can only say no. (yes i have been drinking)
If Lampard were to move, I would imagine uncle Harry at QPR would be the only move he would consider.

Yes I see him going for players he knows well and can rely on - lampard, cole, bent, Parker , Dawson , keane etc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:09:22 PM: No way he'd let Bannan go, seeing as he starts every game in an already threadbare squad.
Unless of course he's already got someone amazing lined up (we can hope!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 31, 2012, 05:25:34 PM: The one at the top of my shopping list would be Dawson at Spurs, he's what we need and seemingly available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM: That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on December 31, 2012, 05:29:27 PM: Are they tatting in the Clough statue to pay for him?

Can't see them paying what we'd want.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

If big ecks offering that he must have opened the New Years whiskey early.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:31:30 PM: I think the first player to be signed will be someone we have never heard of......or possibly Robbie Keane who our manager (and the fans)seems to like. If its the former it will be from one of the African countries. Hopefully a well muscled midfielder with a name you cant pronounce.

Or he may surprise us with a German or two.

One of which may be Michael Ballack if he can persuede him to come out of retirement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 31, 2012, 05:33:50 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on December 31, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
I would be gobsmacked if Bent went i this window.It would be utter madness!!

My thoughts entirely.

Benteke looks as though he is going through a difficult spell which is understandable. The biggest concern would be if he gets injured. We need to keep Bent. We also need to see if they can play together, it may be the answer for this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM: Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:39:31 PM: I think Benteke has realised hes having to run the forward line by himself and to have that responsibility at 21 is proving a little too much.

Its quite imperitive we keep Darren Bent for the second half of the season to give the kid a chance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on December 31, 2012, 05:40:09 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:31:30 PM
I think the first player to be signed will be someone we have never heard of......or possibly Robbie Keane who our manager (and the fans)seems to like. If its the former it will be from one of the African countries. Hopefully a well muscled midfielder with a name you cant pronounce.

Or he may surprise us with a German or two.

One of which may be Michael Ballack if he can persuede him to come out of retirement.

No thanks, injury prone and would want too much money
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:40:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?

In The Beano!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on December 31, 2012, 05:43:58 PM: Barry Bannan would shine in a villa team with better grafters around him. We need to keep him for when the good times return. He could be like a Merson in a few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on December 31, 2012, 05:53:16 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!
Ha.
£70,000 more like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tricky dicky on December 31, 2012, 06:17:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
You're right gregnash but injuries and the rapid rate of games is probably preventing any serious training at the moment.

Take Herd for example, he's getting abused, yet I feel few people forget that he's hardly played twenty-odd matches himself and is being asked to play out of position as CB. Regardless, he always give it everything and certainly never hides. He's no messi but his spirit and commitment should be recognised and can only be good for the club in the long run.

.

Herd or Clark in midfield alongside Westwood ahead of a back four would provide much more cover for the defence and then we need a couple of creative midfielders.

Herd and clark as a defensive midfielder would be ok but neither are good enough centre halves, I much prefer baker alongside Vlaar when all fit.
i totally agree with this Herd is for me typical Aussie sportsman never ever gives up Clark is much better in front of the back four and Vlaar and Baker would be as good a pairing as anything around
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 06:20:23 PM: If TSM is offering that for Bannan I'd drive him to Nottingham myself, and I actually rate Bannan. Hell, if it's £7million for both Bannan and Hutton I'd still do it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on December 31, 2012, 06:22:52 PM: I'd try and take Tim Cahill on loan and let him do a "Robbie Keane" for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on December 31, 2012, 06:24:18 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
If TSM is offering that for Bannan I'd drive him to Nottingham myself, and I actually rate Bannan. Hell, if it's £7million for both Bannan and Hutton I'd still do it.

If TSM was offering that, I would be sending for the men in white coats
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on December 31, 2012, 06:27:33 PM: Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on December 31, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
I'd try and take Tim Cahill on loan and let him do a "Robbie Keane" for us.

If he is half as good as he was for Everton then he will be brilliant for our midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 06:28:57 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
If TSM is offering that for Bannan I'd drive him to Nottingham myself, and I actually rate Bannan. Hell, if it's £7million for both Bannan and Hutton I'd still do it.

Can we throw in Ireland on a Bogof offer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 06:29:34 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on December 31, 2012, 06:27:33 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on December 31, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
I'd try and take Tim Cahill on loan and let him do a "Robbie Keane" for us.

If he is half as good as he was for Everton then he will be brilliant for our midfield.

Plenty reports that mon is already in for him.-

Martin O'Neill is ready to ask Tim Cahill to provide Sunderland with a new year boost as he attempts to drag his club up the Premier League table.

Sunderland are in talks with New York Red Bulls over a winter loan move for the 33-year-old Australia international, who scored 68 goals in 278 appearances during his eight seasons at Everton before moving to the United States last summer. He would certainly be welcomed by Sunderland fans after proving something of a thorn in their side over the years.

He scored seven times in 14 outings against Sunderland for the Merseysiders and was also the man who denied them a trip to the 2004 FA Cup final with a semi-final winner for Millwall at Old Trafford.

Cahill has registered just once in 12 MLS appearances for the Red Bulls to date, but O'Neill is keen to increase his options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wookster on December 31, 2012, 06:41:00 PM: Well according to the Dail Fail the old Piemaster wont be shoring up our creaky defence, he's off to MLS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254827/Richard-Dunne-set-make-transfer-Aston-Villa-New-York-Red-Bulls.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254827/Richard-Dunne-set-make-transfer-Aston-Villa-New-York-Red-Bulls.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 06:42:11 PM: Quote from: wookster on December 31, 2012, 06:41:00 PM
Well according to the Dail Fail the old Piemaster wont be shoring up our creaky defence, he's off to MLS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254827/Richard-Dunne-set-make-transfer-Aston-Villa-New-York-Red-Bulls.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254827/Richard-Dunne-set-make-transfer-Aston-Villa-New-York-Red-Bulls.html)

No great loss and if true I guess lambert must have another centre half lined up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on December 31, 2012, 06:52:17 PM: If Dunne is close to fitness I'd sooner have him as an option till the end of the season. He is exactly the type of experienced centre half we'd otherwise be trying to sign. He's had a lot more good games than bad for us.

As for Bent, I agree it would be utter madness to sell him now. He's the only established goalscorer we've got in the entire squad - a squad that has scored the fewest goals in the country so far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 06:53:14 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?

In The Beano!

Close, i think it was The Mirror.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 07:13:10 PM: Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?

In The Beano!

Close, i think it was The Mirror.

Nothing in the mirror about any fee but a quick search on the forests forums and they seem to be saying a fee of £6m is being bandied about- I'd still snatch their hands off if they are willing to pay that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 07:40:50 PM: How long did we have keane on loan for?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:42:19 PM: Two months.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 07:45:47 PM: Does anyone know much about that man city kid that they want to send out on loan? The young striker. Read on a few gossip sections thats were linked with him. Again not sure if theres much truth in it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM: John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on December 31, 2012, 08:02:51 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?

Ye thats him. If im been honest I dont know a real lot about him but if he knows where the back of the net is could be worth a go IF there are any truth in the rumors.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on December 31, 2012, 08:07:14 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?

I think it was at Feyenoord. Rumour is we are showing interest as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on December 31, 2012, 08:09:18 PM: Quote from: Davey B on December 31, 2012, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?

I think it was at Feyenoord. Rumour is we are showing interest as well.

He was leading scorer in Holland last season playing for Feynoord he did get quite a few penalties though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on December 31, 2012, 08:11:56 PM: Quote from: Davey B on December 31, 2012, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?

I think it was at Feyenoord. Rumour is we are showing interest as well.

O Neill usually leaves it till deadline day but I see your results have improved of late davey, have a great new year in the north east which is an area close to my heart , and I hope you find work early in the new year , you are a decent bloke davey and a pleasure to have on here !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2012, 08:13:42 PM: Ron Vlaar and KEA might be able to have a word.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Davey B on December 31, 2012, 09:12:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Davey B on December 31, 2012, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: TheSandman on December 31, 2012, 07:48:29 PM
John Guidetti? Didn't he get a shedload of goals on loan somewhere in Holland or Sweden?

I think it was at Feyenoord. Rumour is we are showing interest as well.

O Neill usually leaves it till deadline day but I see your results have improved of late davey, have a great new year in the north east which is an area close to my heart , and I hope you find work early in the new year , you are a decent bloke davey and a pleasure to have on here !

Thank you for the kind words eastie, all the best to you and the Villa! Will be interesting to see who both clubs bring in and let go, it sounds at the minute like several of the players available in the reports, that both clubs are in for! Still, it's paper talk and speculation at the minute! Keeps the footy crack going if nowt else! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 01, 2013, 07:48:17 AM: Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?

In The Beano!

Close, i think it was The Mirror.

Nothing in the mirror about any fee but a quick search on the forests forums and they seem to be saying a fee of £6m is being bandied about- I'd still snatch their hands off if they are willing to pay that.

Sorry for the delay, it was in the Daily Mirror iPad app, and they reported £7M.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 01, 2013, 07:59:13 AM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 01, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 31, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on December 31, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on December 31, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on December 31, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
That £7M surely had to be bollocks for Bannan?!?!

Who mentioned £7m? If forest are prepared to pay that I'd snatch their hand off.

Fcuk me I would as well. I'd take half of that in fact.

I'd even pop round and cut big ecks lawn for him for the whole summer in thanks.

Where was the figure of £7m reported?

In The Beano!

Close, i think it was The Mirror.

Nothing in the mirror about any fee but a quick search on the forests forums and they seem to be saying a fee of £6m is being bandied about- I'd still snatch their hands off if they are willing to pay that.

Sorry for the delay, it was in the Daily Mirror iPad app, and they reported £7M.

Paul Lambert insists Aston Villa can still sign quality players this month despite their alarming slide.

Villa have endured a disastrous Christmas, going down 8-0 at Chelsea then 4-0 and 3-0 respectively at home to Spurs and Wigan.

It ended Villa’s mini-revival and they have slipped worryingly to 17th – just one point off the drop zone.

Lambert’s young side must now lift themselves for today’s tough trip to Swansea. The Scot is anxious for more new, quality signings like Christian Benteke, who he snapped up in August.

And Lambert is confident of still attracting fresh talent to Villa Park despite their slump.

Lambert said: “It is pretty easy to sell the club with the stature it has – you don’t need to be Einstein to try to sell this club as it is huge.

“I don’t see that is a problem. It is not just Aston Villa that are in a fight, there are a right few others.

“You have to have patience and don’t panic. That is important.

“I think any football manager always has an idea of what they want to try to do, but January is an absolute nightmare of a month.

“People panic and all those things, prices are inflated, people don’t want to sell, so it is a tough one.” Lambert held crunch talks with chief executive Paul Faulkner and Villa owner Randy Lerner at the weekend after the American attended the Wigan game.

After guiding Villa to a League Cup semi-final, he will be given time to turn around the club’s fortunes.

And Lambert is confident he has Lerner’s full support. He added: “The discussions will remain private between myself, the chairman and Paul.

“I have a good relationship with the chairman but football is a results business. I can only work with what I have, and that is the same for any manager, you try to do your job the best you can.”

Villa are a warning of how quickly things can go wrong – but Michael Laudrup knows things can turn for the better just as fast.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 08:19:35 AM: I like Bannan but if anyone offered 7 million I would rip their arm out of the socket
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 01, 2013, 08:36:20 AM: Straight from the "What To Say When You Are In Deep Trouble" handbook for managers.

My guess, and it is a guess but based on a deep intuitive understanding of the club born over many years, is that he will sign nobody other than a couple of loans but nothing significant. He has a lot of what my son Damon taught me to call "displacement activity" to occupy him. That is, sorting out other things so that the central intractable problem can be kicked into the long grass. The problems of Makoun, Dunne, Bent, Warnock, N'Zogbia plus the selling of scottish players to TSM at massively inflated prices will fill his month and the lack of leadership, experience and mental strength on the park will remain untackled.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2013, 09:51:54 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
I like Bannan but if anyone offered 7 million I would rip their arm out of the socket
For 7 million I'd throw in Ireland and N'Zogbia too and give them a big wet sloppy kiss. Bannan showed promise in our unbeaten run but he's been anonymous since (as have everyone else to be fair). For me though, BB will always blow far too hot and cold.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 01, 2013, 10:01:26 AM: Stephen Warnock to West Ham in some papers today. Was he at Blackburn with Fat Sam? That could happen. Mutton to Nottingham Florist could to. That'd be two decent wages off the books!

No to players like Cahill and Keane. We don't need over the hill money grabbers at the club for a few weeks, we need experienced 27/28 year olds that still have something to prove for themselves and who'll also settle our youngsters in over a season or two. That's what I'm hoping our Euro Scouting Genius can come up with!

Happy New Year everyone, hope it brings the best for you all, and Aston Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 01, 2013, 10:03:48 AM: Quote from: James on January 01, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
Stephen Warnock to West Ham in some papers today. Was he at Blackburn with Fat Sam? That could happen. Mutton to Nottingham Florist could to. That'd be two decent wages off the books!

No to players like Cahill and Keane. We don't need over the hill money grabbers at the club for a few weeks, we need experienced 27/28 year olds that still have something to prove for themselves and who'll also settle our youngsters in over a season or two. That's what I'm hoping our Euro Scouting Genius can come up with!

Happy New Year everyone, hope it brings the best for you all, and Aston Villa.

I wouldn't describe Keane as an over the hill money grabber, his goals helped keep us up and he had a positive effect on the team and great attitude.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on January 01, 2013, 10:05:31 AM: I'd take Robbie Keane again if he's available. He would organise our midfield and may chip in a few goals / assists again . Class act.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2013, 10:09:34 AM: I'd have Keano back. I think he showed he still has the desire at this level last season. He's a player with vision and intelligence on the ball. Composure, something we're lacking almost completely right now. I think he'd have a field day playing off Benteke and vice versa. Plus Keane can produce goals out of nothing. We need a bit more of that sort of ability as we're struggling to create goals through patient build up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 01, 2013, 10:19:39 AM: Happy New Year everybody. Yes Robbie Keane would be a major plus for our club. Great proffessional.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 01, 2013, 10:29:33 AM: I'm really not sure about the clamour for Keane. I seem to remember him having as many ineffective games as good ones for us.
I do though, think his experience could be invaluable and his ability to talk the kids through a game would be useful.
But, it seems a bit of a lazy link, we are under new management and a new team,albeit poor at the moment. Why would Lambert want to bring him in just because TSM did ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM: we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2013, 12:42:48 PM: The "window" has been open for 12 hours so by now Harry must have signed a new team through "wheeling and dealing"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM: Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 12:56:10 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?

Scott Brown
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyaston on January 01, 2013, 12:58:12 PM: Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?

Scott Brown
I think he may mean Michael Brown who plays for Leeds. He used to play for Fulham and Sheffield United, he likes a tackle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 01:02:25 PM: Quote from: andyaston on January 01, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?

Scott Brown
I think he may mean Michael Brown who plays for Leeds. He used to play for Fulham and Sheffield United, he likes a tackle.
yeah, that would be it. or Jimmy Brown.
Doh!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2013, 01:06:55 PM: Lescott, Lampard, Keane, some big African who's team hasn't qualified for the ACN.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2013, 01:10:34 PM: Quote from: andyaston on January 01, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?

Scott Brown
I think he may mean Michael Brown who plays for Leeds. He used to play for Fulham and Sheffield United, he likes a tackle.
No, he means Wes Brown.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 01:14:55 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 01, 2013, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: andyaston on January 01, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 01, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2013, 10:47:41 AM
we need a Scott Brown type figure in midfield,in fact dodgy hip and all i'd go for him.not sure if he'd relinquish champions league for a relegation dog fight tho'.
Sorry but who?

Scott Brown
I think he may mean Michael Brown who plays for Leeds. He used to play for Fulham and Sheffield United, he likes a tackle.
No, he means Wes Brown.
no i'd prefer Wes Studi
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 01, 2013, 01:30:29 PM: Quote from: James on January 01, 2013, 10:01:26 AM

No to players like Cahill and Keane. We don't need over the hill money grabbers at the club for a few weeks, we need experienced 27/28 year olds that still have something to prove for themselves and who'll also settle our youngsters in over a season or two. That's what I'm hoping our Euro Scouting Genius can come up with!

Happy New Year everyone, hope it brings the best for you all, and Aston Villa.
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One of those over the hill money-grabbers probably kept us up last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 01:48:53 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 01, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
I like Bannan but if anyone offered 7 million I would rip their arm out of the socket
For 7 million I'd throw in Ireland and N'Zogbia too and give them a big wet sloppy kiss. Bannan showed promise in our unbeaten run but he's been anonymous since (as have everyone else to be fair). For me though, BB will always blow far too hot and cold.

In fairness, Bannan and Westwood looked very effective as a pair. I think they were both buggered by the 8-0 though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2013, 01:51:40 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 01, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 08:19:35 AM
I like Bannan but if anyone offered 7 million I would rip their arm out of the socket
For 7 million I'd throw in Ireland and N'Zogbia too and give them a big wet sloppy kiss. Bannan showed promise in our unbeaten run but he's been anonymous since (as have everyone else to be fair). For me though, BB will always blow far too hot and cold.

In fairness, Bannan and Westwood looked very effective as a pair. I think they were both buggered by the 8-0 though.

I think they're both good players, but they're a bit lightweight to play together, particularly in a rubbish 5-3-2 formation. Either one of them next to an older, harder more experienced centre mid would be good, in a proper 4-4-2 with decent wingers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 02:00:55 PM: I think they were working in that formation when they had a defence behind them and Clark was able to step out. The issue is always going to be the 3rd player, as frankly Ireland and Holman are both fucking useless. I agree they are too lightweight, and I agree a big hard fecker would be great with them. I would then push Bannan further forward, as I think he does have the ability to play the final ball we need. The 3 at the back will only ever work if you have 3 central defenders that are comfortable, and at least one of them can be a ball player. Clark is that for us, but it won't work without having the other 2 knowing the role. Dropping a midfielder into 1 of the positions is ok against a poor side, but 2 out of position in a back 3 is a recipe for disaster. We need 2 more central defenders IMO, one young, one ready to go straight in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2013, 02:37:43 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 01, 2013, 01:51:40 PM

I think they're both good players, but they're a bit lightweight to play together, particularly in a rubbish 5-3-2 formation. Either one of them next to an older, harder more experienced centre mid would be good, in a proper 4-4-2 with decent wingers.
The two of them alongside a Scott Parker, a McCarthy or a Mulumbu type palyer would work fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2013, 02:38:59 PM: I said elsewhere - not entirely in jest - that we should be poaching Lambert from S'ton, McCarthy from Wigan and Riise from Fulham; to improve our line-up and weaken those of rival teams.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 01, 2013, 02:48:29 PM: I've rated Rickey Lambert ever since he was at Bristol Rovers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2013, 05:45:58 PM: With Westwood seemingly out for a few weeks I really think we're in a pickle in that position. I'd say buying a proper central midfielder who can play the holding role is now the most pressing priority

Don't really know who, other than huddlestone, Derek boateng, frimpong, Livermore, don't know who else
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 01, 2013, 06:23:14 PM: Wonder whether the Swansea game will have any bearing on whether money will be spent in the window and how much?

Weirdly may have been better to get another tonking if it rammed home just how much strengthening we needed...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2013, 06:27:47 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 01, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Wonder whether the Swansea game will have any bearing on whether money will be spent in the window and how much?

Weirdly may have been better to get another tonking if it rammed home just how much strengthening we needed...
You're repeating yourself!

17-2 ...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 06:31:20 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 01, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Wonder whether the Swansea game will have any bearing on whether money will be spent in the window and how much?

Weirdly may have been better to get another tonking if it rammed home just how much strengthening we needed...

Points are too precious for that.

Reo Coker free if Westwood is out would be in tomorrow were it possible for me. That boateng fella looked useful. Battle and protect the back 4! Centre half and centre mid before Southampton please!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2013, 06:37:30 PM: Watched a European football show somewhat through a haze this morning and they did a piece on a striker called Wilfried Bony. He is from the Ivory Coast, plays for Vitesse Arnhem and is currently the top scorer in the Dutch league. Even through the haze, that name seemed to ring a bell. Have we been linked with him before?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 06:52:54 PM: Yes, apparently we almost signed him in the last window.

I see no reason to go back to the likes of Reo Coker. We can do better than that and can find a better player in Europe who'd command a lower salary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 01, 2013, 06:58:32 PM: If we go to Europe, it needs to be somebody who can 'hit the ground running' it can sometimes take a while for overseas players to get up to speed, we can't afford that luxury.

What happened to all the influx of Swedish and Norwegian players that we used to see?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 07:07:58 PM: Well predicting the ones who are cut out for it in the PL is the trick for sure but its not too hard. If they're strong, have a decent engine, can pass the ball to another player a lot and have either strong defensive or offensive skills, or better still both, chances are they'll do alright over here.

Henke is employed to find these players anyway. I'd be very suprised if a few werent lined up. Even if we hadn't planned to go for one there should be dossiers on players should we have to. Now we have to.
As I see it, we needed at least one maybe two good midfielders this January without any injuries or whatnot. I'd say we now need at least two or maybe three.
That's as well as a decent centre half, full back and maybe a back up goalie. And if Bent leaves, a replacement for him.

It also needs to be looked into why we get so many injuries. We seem to get more than anybody else now and we can't cope with it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 01, 2013, 07:16:50 PM: James Collins came off the bench to score 4 in the 2nd half for Swindon today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 01, 2013, 07:19:12 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 01, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Wonder whether the Swansea game will have any bearing on whether money will be spent in the window and how much?

Weirdly may have been better to get another tonking if it rammed home just how much strengthening we needed...

Points are too precious for that.

Reo Coker free if Westwood is out would be in tomorrow were it possible for me. That boateng fella looked useful. Battle and protect the back 4! Centre half and centre mid before Southampton please!!

Reo Coker will be at Villa Park on Saturday, with the Ipswich squad. Daresay our lot will let him pass and score - things he could never manage whilst employed there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 01, 2013, 07:24:34 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 01, 2013, 07:19:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 01, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
Wonder whether the Swansea game will have any bearing on whether money will be spent in the window and how much?

Weirdly may have been better to get another tonking if it rammed home just how much strengthening we needed...

Points are too precious for that.

Reo Coker free if Westwood is out would be in tomorrow were it possible for me. That boateng fella looked useful. Battle and protect the back 4! Centre half and centre mid before Southampton please!!

Reo Coker will be at Villa Park on Saturday, with the Ipswich squad. Daresay our lot will let him pass and score - things he could never manage whilst employed there.

I read today he is being lined up for a move to turkey .
His Ipswich contract expires jan12th.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: treeve1 on January 01, 2013, 07:28:21 PM: If available, Reo-Coker is a no brainer on a two year deal. Some of you guys seem to forget that NRC was 4th or 5th choice when competing for a centre mid spot against Barry, Petrov, Milner etc who were all in their pomp and vs this sort of competition, yes he was exposed as a limited footballer when considering we were pushing top 4 at the time and were looking at players of the next level - even Petrov in MON's last season was considered to be past it. We are a million miles from that now (worst prem league side in the last 12 months), and at 28/29, NRC would now walk into our side and be first choice vs the reserves stepping up and championship players we have brought. He is also a leader and could be captain in an instant.

We are now a relegation fodder team and have been for three years, our ambition now is to become a mid table team once more. A player with NRC's combative qualities is something we simply do not have in our team but desperately need. Admittedly my knowledge of lower league/european players of similar calibre is none existent, but given what he gave us vs the current bunch, then i'd go and pick him up tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 01, 2013, 07:30:21 PM: Quote from: treeve1 on January 01, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
If available, Reo-Coker is a no brainer on a two year deal. Some of you guys seem to forget that NRC was 4th or 5th choice when competing for a centre mid spot against Barry, Petrov, Milner etc who were all in their pomp and vs this sort of competition, yes he was exposed as a limited footballer when considering we were pushing top 4 at the time and were looking at players of the next level - even Petrov in MON's last season was considered to be past it. We are a million miles from that now (worst prem league side in the last 12 months), and at 28/29, NRC would now walk into our side and be first choice vs the reserves stepping up and championship players we have brought. He is also a leader and could be captain in an instant.

We are now a relegation fodder team and have been for three years, our ambition now is to become a mid table team once more. A player with NRC's combative qualities is something we simply do not have in our team but desperately need. Admittedly my knowledge of lower league/european players of similar calibre is none existent, but given what he gave us vs the current bunch, then i'd go and pick him up tonight.
We dont need another player who can't pass.I haven't forgot that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2013, 07:45:42 PM: Quote from: treeve1 on January 01, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
If available, Reo-Coker is a no brainer on a two year deal. Some of you guys seem to forget that NRC was 4th or 5th choice when competing for a centre mid spot against Barry, Petrov, Milner etc who were all in their pomp and vs this sort of competition, yes he was exposed as a limited footballer when considering we were pushing top 4 at the time and were looking at players of the next level - even Petrov in MON's last season was considered to be past it. We are a million miles from that now (worst prem league side in the last 12 months), and at 28/29, NRC would now walk into our side and be first choice vs the reserves stepping up and championship players we have brought. He is also a leader and could be captain in an instant.

We are now a relegation fodder team and have been for three years, our ambition now is to become a mid table team once more. A player with NRC's combative qualities is something we simply do not have in our team but desperately need. Admittedly my knowledge of lower league/european players of similar calibre is none existent, but given what he gave us vs the current bunch, then i'd go and pick him up tonight.

Why do we need more players who aren't good enough?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2013, 07:47:40 PM: I'm not a big fan of NRC but right now i'd take him until the end of the season as long as he's now more realistic with his wage demands. As limited as he is he may help with a bit of leadership and fight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 01, 2013, 07:49:55 PM: Quote from: treeve1 on January 01, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
If available, Reo-Coker is a no brainer on a two year deal. Some of you guys seem to forget that NRC was 4th or 5th choice when competing for a centre mid spot against Barry, Petrov, Milner etc who were all in their pomp and vs this sort of competition, yes he was exposed as a limited footballer when considering we were pushing top 4 at the time and were looking at players of the next level - even Petrov in MON's last season was considered to be past it. We are a million miles from that now (worst prem league side in the last 12 months), and at 28/29, NRC would now walk into our side and be first choice vs the reserves stepping up and championship players we have brought. He is also a leader and could be captain in an instant.

We are now a relegation fodder team and have been for three years, our ambition now is to become a mid table team once more. A player with NRC's combative qualities is something we simply do not have in our team but desperately need. Admittedly my knowledge of lower league/european players of similar calibre is none existent, but given what he gave us vs the current bunch, then i'd go and pick him up tonight.

Reo-Coker a no brainer? Or did you mean he hasn't got a brain? For me, it is an absolute no brainer that I don't want him anywhere near the Villa. I haven't forgotten how utterly crap he was in all except about three games. I found his inabilty to pass a ball in a straight line over a distance of about 10 yards staggering and still do. I think I'd rather get relegated than suffer him again....!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 01, 2013, 07:54:55 PM: I was thinking he wouldn't be that bad a signing, but I've just remembered the sheer apoplexy his inability to complete the simplest passes used to drive me to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2013, 07:57:48 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 01, 2013, 07:54:55 PM
I was thinking he wouldn't be that bad a signing, but I've just remembered the sheer apoplexy his inability to complete the simplest passes used to drive me to.

Please, not Reo Coker. Getting 'experienced' players in shouldn't mean they're experienced at being shit and full of their own self importance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: treeve1 on January 01, 2013, 08:05:52 PM: I agree with his limitations, I was a season ticket holder through it and regularly pulled my hair out, but a team is about just that, you need a blend and we currently have no size, no strength, little character, no PL experience and a lack of leaders. The scouts should be able to find a player with these qualities outside of NRC who also have the ability to pass, but on my limited knowledge of footballers, he has most of these qualities and is soon to be free.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 08:12:13 PM: So get a player with strength who can pass. Why is Reo Coker the only option? He's nowhere near what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2013, 08:20:39 PM: Reo Coker's one and only tactic when receiving the ball was to get his head down and run in a straight line until he inevitably ran into an opposition player. That said, compared to Delph he has the skills of Zidane and Messi combined.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 01, 2013, 08:29:32 PM: I said back in the summer we should have got N'Zonzi off Blackburn. A big fella, good in the air, decent on the ball and likes to put a foot in - exactly what we need!

I'd like to see Lambert get that type of player as a matter of priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2013, 08:30:44 PM: Reo-Coker is one of the most limited players I've seen play for us in a very long time.

No thanks. There's a reason he plays for Ipswich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:39 PM: If Nigel Reo-Coker is the answer then I don't want to know what the question was...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2013, 09:00:36 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
If Nigel Reo-Coker is the answer then I don't want to know what the question was...

The question was "name an average football player who thinks way too highly of himself, threw away a perfectly good place at one of England's biggest clubs for supposed CL glory, who can run very fast into dark alleys and enjoys passing to opposing players before trying to encourage his team mates to work harder by huddling or waving his arms furiously"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2013, 09:05:42 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 01, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Watched a European football show somewhat through a haze this morning and they did a piece on a striker called Wilfried Bony. He is from the Ivory Coast, plays for Vitesse Arnhem and is currently the top scorer in the Dutch league. Even through the haze, that name seemed to ring a bell. Have we been linked with him before?

We were linked with him last day of the window. May just have been plan B if Benteke deal didn't happen but who knows it may be revisted if Bent leaves for example.

I'd be o.k with that as I think we have enough upfront but the experience and quality has to come in central defence and especially midfield.

A few of us (including me) scoffed at us signing Snodgrass in the summer but he's been really good lately for Norwich and has great delievery from set pieces. Can't help feeling it would be good to get a wide player in this window aswell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 09:08:05 PM: I quite liked Snodgrass because of his ability to deliver the ball. Similar I would think Whittingham would have done well back here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2013, 09:12:24 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 09:08:05 PM
I quite liked Snodgrass because of his ability to deliver the ball. Similar I would think Whittingham would have done well back here.

That's one thing we haven't had in a few years is a good set piece bloke. Nobody of Gaz Baz's standard anyway, and Ash when he was on his game. The current crop are poor and is a contributory factor as to why we are amongst the worse from corners and free kicks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 01, 2013, 09:13:19 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2013, 09:05:42 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 01, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Watched a European football show somewhat through a haze this morning and they did a piece on a striker called Wilfried Bony. He is from the Ivory Coast, plays for Vitesse Arnhem and is currently the top scorer in the Dutch league. Even through the haze, that name seemed to ring a bell. Have we been linked with him before?

We were linked with him last day of the window. May just have been plan B if Benteke deal didn't happen but who knows it may be revisted if Bent leaves for example.

I'd be o.k with that as I think we have enough upfront but the experience and quality has to come in central defence and especially midfield.

A few of us (including me) scoffed at us signing Snodgrass in the summer but he's been really good lately for Norwich and has great delievery from set pieces. Can't help feeling it would be good to get a wide player in this window aswell.

Wilfred Bony (who we should sign for the name alone, in my opinion) has been a 'next big thing' for a couple of years, I think, quite a bit of hype around him.

It's come up before, but if there's a chance of signing Diame then I think we should go for him - reckon he'd be just the thing alongside Westwood and Bannan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2013, 09:19:02 PM: Can't see why Diame would move here seeing as West Ham are mid table. And we'd also have to offer him a wage increase from what he gets there so really don't see it. Exactly what we need in midfield though.

Another name just come to me, Junior Holliet. What on earth has happened to him at QPR?! I thought he looked a real player at Blackburn so if QPR are trying to get in this world 11 maybe try to get him on loan for the rest of the season with an option to buy?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2013, 09:22:35 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2013, 09:05:42 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 01, 2013, 06:37:30 PM
Watched a European football show somewhat through a haze this morning and they did a piece on a striker called Wilfried Bony. He is from the Ivory Coast, plays for Vitesse Arnhem and is currently the top scorer in the Dutch league. Even through the haze, that name seemed to ring a bell. Have we been linked with him before?

We were linked with him last day of the window. May just have been plan B if Benteke deal didn't happen but who knows it may be revisted if Bent leaves for example.

I'd be o.k with that as I think we have enough upfront but the experience and quality has to come in central defence and especially midfield.
A few of us (including me) scoffed at us signing Snodgrass in the summer but he's been really good lately for Norwich and has great delievery from set pieces. Can't help feeling it would be good to get a wide player in this window aswell.

I'd agree with that HQ.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: regular_john on January 01, 2013, 09:56:24 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 01, 2013, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
If Nigel Reo-Coker is the answer then I don't want to know what the question was...

The question was "name an average football player who thinks way too highly of himself, threw away a perfectly good place at one of England's biggest clubs for supposed CL glory, who can run very fast into dark alleys and enjoys passing to opposing players before trying to encourage his team mates to work harder by huddling or waving his arms furiously"

Given that we're so light in midfield, have nobody who can play the 'hard bastard' role and have very little money - I'd think taking NRC on a free (assuming his wages are sensible) would be good business. If we sign him short term, he's another body to use until the end of the season before we get better in the summer. If we sign him longer term, we'll make a profit at some point as we'll have signed him on a free.

He's not a great player, nobody is pretending he is, but we already have some technically capable midfielders, what we need is a bit of steel to allow the more capable players to shine.

Get him in IMO!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM: Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 10:08:28 PM: Also apperantly NRC has contacted Villa about a return, but we said no, according to James Nursery.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2013, 10:09:05 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.

That's more like it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 01, 2013, 10:11:24 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.

Yes please!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: regular_john on January 01, 2013, 10:14:08 PM: Ego?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 01, 2013, 10:26:06 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.
I can't see him fitting in at right back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 10:40:30 PM: That says to me that a striker is leaving.
Also, I'd only be into that if there was a chance of a permanent deal.

I'd leave the strikeforce as is without selling anybody and work on the team elsewhere.
The Welbeck link doesn't feel genuine to me but who knows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 01, 2013, 10:43:09 PM: if welbeck's coming then i'd put money that Bent's off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2013, 10:49:57 PM: I'd be pretty surprised if Welbeck is coming. Why would he? Why would Man U?

I think we've other priorities tbh - like virtually everywhere in the side except right back and in goal!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 01, 2013, 10:54:32 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 01, 2013, 10:49:57 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if Welbeck is coming. Why would he? Why would Man U?

I think we've other priorities tbh - like virtually everywhere in the side except right back and in goal!

well with rvp, rooney and hernandez he's going to get limited playing time i guess, though rooney's crocked ATM so you'd think they'd keep him till he's back at least
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 01, 2013, 11:13:01 PM: Link on Transfer Tavern saying PL interested in Steve Morrison (Norwich). Think papers are looking at the possibility of Bent leaving and just filling in the blanks. Priority is LB-2-3 CM- CB of good quality ready for first team places .........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richsvilla on January 01, 2013, 11:15:21 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.

Whos Ego?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2013, 11:15:32 PM: Not a big Welbeck fan, but he knows where the goal is and has a bit of pace. If he came it would be the end of Bent though surely. Bent out for 12-14m, Welbeck on loan as a replacement till the summer when we can find a longer term solution and use the money on the defence and midfield.... might be a decent bit of business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 01, 2013, 11:28:33 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 01, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
Ego has just retweeted, Welbeck on loan to Villa.

Now that would be quality.

Really? Bloody hell, I'd take that.
Probably bollocks mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 01, 2013, 11:30:36 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 01, 2013, 10:49:57 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if Welbeck is coming. Why would he? Why would Man U?

We're no threat to Man Utd, in fact Welbeck might help us take points of their rivals, he won't play a huge amount with the striking options they have.
Makes a lot of sense, but is probably still bollocks!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2013, 11:32:34 PM: I'd be pleased with Wellbeck but think it's about as likely as us signing Frank Lampard, ie not very.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2013, 11:34:24 PM: Wrong player if he is coming. Don't need forwards need midfield and defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2013, 11:35:26 PM: Agree Risso.

Fergie is a master at rotating four strikers and no way would he go into the second half of a season with just three out and out strikers so unless they're signing Lewandoswki this window which I doubt, then I really can't see him going anywhere.

As it stands upfront is the least of our worries. We need players who can get the ball to them on a regular basis!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2013, 11:36:25 PM: I'd be happy we need good options and it'd be a start. We also need a centre half, left back, two centre mids and a creative player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 01, 2013, 11:37:24 PM: The story behind Welbeck according to my Man Utd mate is they are after Sneijder. If they land him, then Welbeck can go on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 11:52:20 PM: So Welbeck comes in and will expect regular football as it would be pointless coming here otherwise, so what happens to Benteke and Weimann?
Don't see the point. If it was Guidetti on loan with a permanent option I could live with that.
Maybe Welbeck is permanently surplus?

Anyway, as has been said; not that all you hear about is the priority but the priority is not up front but elsewhere. Especially midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 12:05:36 AM: Welbeck would be a waste of a good signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 02, 2013, 12:09:52 AM: Welbeck would be outstanding. He can play in any forward position,even wide where we lack quality.Weimann and Benteke won't suffer,rotation is the name of the game and means we can freshen up the strikers with 20 mins to go ,the time when most goals are scored.
Bent would obviously be sold and the extra funds could strengthen the woeful midfield where our best midfielder,Westwood,could be struggling with a bad injury.
Next year,we have a better midfield and competent,more experienced strikers in Benteke and Weimann. Welbeck,England striker,needs more game time.A Scot helping another,I hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:13:14 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
So Welbeck comes in and will expect regular football as it would be pointless coming here otherwise, so what happens to Benteke and Weimann?
Don't see the point. If it was Guidetti on loan with a permanent option I could live with that.
Maybe Welbeck is permanently surplus?

Anyway, as has been said; not that all you hear about is the priority but the priority is not up front but elsewhere. Especially midfield.

Agree with midfield being a priority, but it also must be remembered that we've only managed to score 17 league goals so far this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 12:15:10 AM: If Bent is sold it makes a bit more sense.

By the way, some guy on twitter (yes, I know) reckons we're after a Danish international but doesn't have the name of this player.
More Vikings is fine by me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 12:15:37 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
So Welbeck comes in and will expect regular football as it would be pointless coming here otherwise, so what happens to Benteke and Weimann?
Don't see the point. If it was Guidetti on loan with a permanent option I could live with that.
Maybe Welbeck is permanently surplus?

Anyway, as has been said; not that all you hear about is the priority but the priority is not up front but elsewhere. Especially midfield.

Agree with midfield being a priority, but it also must be remembered that we've only managed to score 17 league goals so far this season.

Largely because of the midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:21:34 AM: could be gabby I guess. i wouldn't put it past pubehead to make a bid for him in January. The problem with that is Lambert just doesn't seem to rate Bent at all while gabby, despite being mainly awful for three years does seem to be in favour. Probably bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 12:21:55 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
So Welbeck comes in and will expect regular football as it would be pointless coming here otherwise, so what happens to Benteke and Weimann?
Don't see the point. If it was Guidetti on loan with a permanent option I could live with that.
Maybe Welbeck is permanently surplus?

Anyway, as has been said; not that all you hear about is the priority but the priority is not up front but elsewhere. Especially midfield.

Agree with midfield being a priority, but it also must be remembered that we've only managed to score 17 league goals so far this season.

Probably because the midfield can't get the ball to Benteke & Weimann.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 02, 2013, 12:22:43 AM: Who is this 'Ego' that is referred to on that twitter thing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:24:21 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 12:15:37 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 01, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
So Welbeck comes in and will expect regular football as it would be pointless coming here otherwise, so what happens to Benteke and Weimann?
Don't see the point. If it was Guidetti on loan with a permanent option I could live with that.
Maybe Welbeck is permanently surplus?

Anyway, as has been said; not that all you hear about is the priority but the priority is not up front but elsewhere. Especially midfield.

Agree with midfield being a priority, but it also must be remembered that we've only managed to score 17 league goals so far this season.

Largely because of the midfield.

True Maz and I agree that other positions should take priority over a forward, but if the chance to take Welbeck on loan for the rest of the season arises then I think we should take it. If it came down to a choice between taking him on loan or taking a midfielder or defender, then we should be taking the latter options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 12:26:00 AM: Dale Stephens rumoured to be a done deal. He's had a good season so far at Charlton. Think I heard he's got the most assists in the league?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:26:38 AM: We were linked to a Danish holding midfielder in Germany a few weeks back. International, looked a decent size too from memory. Christ knows his name. Sounded viking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2013, 12:27:45 AM: Welbeck can play the wide forward role, so if it was true Lambert could be thinking Benteke through the middle with Weimann and Welbeck either side. Obviously it's still critical that the midfield is sorted in order to produce chances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 02, 2013, 12:29:30 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
Dale Stephens rumoured to be a done deal. He's had a good season so far at Charlton. Think I heard he's got the most assists in the league?

Not even in the top 30. (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739#)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 12:35:17 AM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 02, 2013, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
Dale Stephens rumoured to be a done deal. He's had a good season so far at Charlton. Think I heard he's got the most assists in the league?

Not even in the top 30. (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739#)
Maybe pass completion? No idea what programme was on about him though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:39:48 AM: A young championship player - no thanks. We need someone in there with a bit of authority to spread confidence amongst the kids, not someone near enough the same age as them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:42:09 AM: If Westwood is out for 3 months, we need 2 in the centre of midfield though Greg, and Stephens was always likely as Lambert was clearly keen in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 12:46:21 AM: To be honest, I've just considered that Stephens has been nailed on to come in since the summer. I dont know why but so many think its done I guess its just stuck with me.
But that's just another player who may or may not be O.K and we need another 1 or 2 in midfield with Gardner and now Westwood out and KEA away for a month.
Down to bare bones there and need action sooner rather than later. Especially with a cup in the balance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:50:14 AM: mebbe but westwood is not the answer currently good though he's been at times, so we don't need another one. We need a proven experienced guy in midfield who can do the job of a petrov and nurse the kids through, then westwood can come back and play with him. Buying a guy from the championship less than a year older than him seems madness to me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 12:51:14 AM: More championship prospects is fine so long as there is also an injection of experience. Without that, we are going to struggle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2013, 12:55:51 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 12:51:14 AM
More championship prospects is fine so long as there is also an injection of experience. Without that, we are going to struggle.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 12:57:17 AM: Lambert has obviously kept tabs on Stephens for a while now, but I would prefer to see him come in the summer and us go for somebody with a bit more top flight experience in this window, even if it is only a loan deal.

Just had a quick scan through the players out of contract in the summer and noticed that Figueroa from Wigan is on there. Surely he would be a better option than what we currently have in that position?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 01:03:29 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:50:14 AM
mebbe but westwood is not the answer currently good though he's been at times, so we don't need another one. We need a proven experienced guy in midfield who can do the job of a petrov and nurse the kids through, then westwood can come back and play with him. Buying a guy from the championship less than a year older than him seems madness to me

Which is pretty much what I was saying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 01:05:56 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 01:03:29 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:50:14 AM
mebbe but westwood is not the answer currently good though he's been at times, so we don't need another one. We need a proven experienced guy in midfield who can do the job of a petrov and nurse the kids through, then westwood can come back and play with him. Buying a guy from the championship less than a year older than him seems madness to me

Which is pretty much what I was saying.

that was in reply to ozjim. bit out of practice..........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 02, 2013, 01:18:41 AM: If Lambo waits on Stephens and he goes to Swansea/Everton/Wigan/anywhere & looks brilliant everyone would curse him. We can sign experience and youth to improve the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 01:44:53 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 01:05:56 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 01:03:29 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 02, 2013, 12:50:14 AM
mebbe but westwood is not the answer currently good though he's been at times, so we don't need another one. We need a proven experienced guy in midfield who can do the job of a petrov and nurse the kids through, then westwood can come back and play with him. Buying a guy from the championship less than a year older than him seems madness to me

Which is pretty much what I was saying.

that was in reply to ozjim. bit out of practice..........

It was what I was saying too though. Stephens is fine, and a much needed body who can pass the ball very well according to all reports, but an international quality holding midfield player is still very much needed. If we could trick someone to take Ireland at the same time more is the bonus.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2013, 05:13:23 AM: If we play a mid 3. Then a ball winner and then a more attacking signing who can break into the box and pick a killer pass, would be good. I think Westwood is excellent as the connective player, always available and keeping things ticking nicely. This Stephens geezer to push Westy for a place I don't mind, but I still think 2 solid decent pro's who've got plenty of experience is essential.
Likewise we're lacking at left back still and centre half. Clark is less the new Cahill, more Ridgewell. He looks good at times, frightening in others.
There's too many players we haven't replaced properly and we need to start. Much of Barry, Petrov, Milner, Young etc's impact too was that in varying degree's, they'd been there and done the business for a number of years for ourselves and other clubs. They had the quality to go with it too, and all were very consistent at the best.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2013, 06:02:24 AM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
If Nigel Reo-Coker is the answer then I don't want to know what the question was...

Could be either of these:

Who got back into West Ham's side when they were dead and buried and helped them win 9 out of 11 (or something similar) and miraculously stay up?

Or who got back in the Villa side when they looked down and out under Houllier and helped them finish 9th?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2013, 07:24:58 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2013, 06:02:24 AM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:39 PM
If Nigel Reo-Coker is the answer then I don't want to know what the question was...

Could be either of these:

Who got back into West Ham's side when they were dead and buried and helped them win 9 out of 11 (or something similar) and miraculously stay up?

Or who got back in the Villa side when they looked down and out under Houllier and helped them finish 9th?
Carlos Tevez and Stillian Petrov? (winky emoticon)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2013, 07:32:42 AM: On the subject of 'Premier League experience' and how much we need it, which players did people have in mind?

Personally I'd be quite happy with Scott Dann. Still young but should have enough about him to help bring the youth along. And most importantly shouldn't cost the earth.

He was awful last season, but then so was Bassong and he's been one of the best defenders in the league this year. Huth was hopeless at Boro and is fine at Stoke.

Sometimes a player and club just don't fit and I think Dann's time at Blackburn is one of those times.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:35:42 AM: Dann has been truly abysmal this season too according to a forum of theirs I looked at last week, as he was one of my first thoughts, and Johnson has struggled at the dingles. At centre half I am not fussed about Prem experience. I think a German, Scandinavian or Championship defender would be fine. I am more interested that they can defend!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:46:49 AM: We were linked with Chester at Hull who seem to have kept a few clean sheets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 02, 2013, 07:57:41 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:46:49 AM
We were linked with Chester at Hull who seem to have kept a few clean sheets.

I like Chester. Reminds me a bit of Ryan Shawcross. I'd want him and A experienced centre half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 08:49:49 AM: Scott dann is an interesting shout, but a bit of a risk. The truth is, I can't really come up with a better realistic option than dunne or Vlaar , though cuellar or Collins would be nice to have in the squad at the moment! Matt upson, carragher, Dawson? We might be best bringing in someone from abroad. I'd have a prejudice in favour of a Scandinavian though I think we were linked with someone from Porto?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 02, 2013, 09:05:30 AM: We should throw as much money as humanly possible at Frank Lampard, even on a six month deal. Not that he'll be going any further than QPR!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2013, 09:06:56 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 08:49:49 AM
Scott dann is an interesting shout, but a bit of a risk. The truth is, I can't really come up with a better realistic option than dunne or Vlaar , though cuellar or Collins would be nice to have in the squad at the moment! Matt upson, carragher, Dawson? We might be best bringing in someone from abroad. I'd have a prejudice in favour of a Scandinavian though I think we were linked with someone from Porto?
Samba?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 09:15:09 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 07:32:42 AM
On the subject of 'Premier League experience' and how much we need it, which players did people have in mind?

Personally I'd be quite happy with Scott Dann. Still young but should have enough about him to help bring the youth along. And most importantly shouldn't cost the earth.

He was awful last season, but then so was Bassong and he's been one of the best defenders in the league this year. Huth was hopeless at Boro and is fine at Stoke.

Sometimes a player and club just don't fit and I think Dann's time at Blackburn is one of those times.

I'd be happy with Scott dann too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 09:21:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 07:32:42 AM
On the subject of 'Premier League experience' and how much we need it, which players did people have in mind?

Personally I'd be quite happy with Scott Dann. Still young but should have enough about him to help bring the youth along. And most importantly shouldn't cost the earth.

He was awful last season, but then so was Bassong and he's been one of the best defenders in the league this year. Huth was hopeless at Boro and is fine at Stoke.

Sometimes a player and club just don't fit and I think Dann's time at Blackburn is one of those times.

I'd be happy with Scott dann too.

I will dig out the link, but the Blackburn fans could not be more scathing. Dann is not what we need I am sure.

Chris Samba would be awesome, what is he up to now?

Leicester have conceded very few, who have they got at the back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 02, 2013, 09:22:38 AM: Samba?
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Immaculate's Waltzer to play defensive line for Division II St. Anselm

Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Immaculate-s-Waltzer-to-play-defensive-line-for-1006349.php#ixzz2GoB5AqeR

Would tick a box turn for us perhaps?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 02, 2013, 09:24:21 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 09:15:09 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 07:32:42 AM
On the subject of 'Premier League experience' and how much we need it, which players did people have in mind?

Personally I'd be quite happy with Scott Dann. Still young but should have enough about him to help bring the youth along. And most importantly shouldn't cost the earth.

He was awful last season, but then so was Bassong and he's been one of the best defenders in the league this year. Huth was hopeless at Boro and is fine at Stoke.

Sometimes a player and club just don't fit and I think Dann's time at Blackburn is one of those times.

I'd be happy with Scott dann too.

I will dig out the link, but the Blackburn fans could not be more scathing. Dann is not what we need I am sure.

Chris Samba would be awesome, what is he up to now?

Leicester have conceded very few, who have they got at the back?

Gordon Banks!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2013, 09:48:27 AM: I think we need someone a bit better than Scott Dann.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 09:54:33 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 02, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
I think we need someone a bit better than Scott Dann.

Maybe clampy but we have Vlaar, Clark, baker as well when all fit - I like Vlaar and baker as a pairing and prefer Clark as a defensive midfielder , Dann as back up cover would be fine if lambert can gert him back to the form he showed at blues.

My main worry is the midfield where we need two top quality additions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 02, 2013, 10:10:39 AM: I think Dann is a good call. I don't actually think we need a great defender, just a steady, experienced one. I would also take survival over any bitterness that he once played for the blues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 02, 2013, 10:45:01 AM: No to Dann from me, injury prone and we got enough of them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:46:36 AM: The only way i'd have Dann is if he got new legs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 10:50:31 AM: Another 'no' to Scott Dann from me.

I know it's quite unlikely, but given Randy's reaction in buying Bent two years ago, I do wonder if he'll puch the boat out to try and get Lescott. No idea how true it is, but I imagine he'd gladly pay the reported £8m pricetag if the overall financial package could be worked out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM: Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 10:53:50 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 10:50:31 AM
Another 'no' to Scott Dann from me.

I know it's quite unlikely, but given Randy's reaction in buying Bent two years ago, I do wonder if he'll puch the boat out to try and get Lescott. No idea how true it is, but I imagine he'd gladly pay the reported £8m pricetag if the overall financial package could be worked out.

It's the wages that are going to be a problem.

We have to accept that we're going to need players in who will want more than the lower wages kids from the championship are on, but I think Lescott's deal at Man City will be enormous and well out of our reach.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

EDIT: Obviously we're going to need some older heads/experience etc etc but there's nothing wrong with bringing people in for squad depth at least
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 10:55:12 AM: Slight tangent, is there a player in the league who has celebrated as gloatingly in front of us as Lescott does? Strange for a childhood fan.

Although, his "OH NOES!11!! I DONE A MISTAKE!" face when Ashley Young scored at Goodison, minutes after he'd scored against us and does his usual gloating was priceless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2013, 11:00:24 AM: Lescott will have better options than Villa. Sad to say. He'd be more than useful. He'll could go back to Everton, as Distan is rumoured to be going to QPR. I'd also take Distan on a 18 month deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 11:00:35 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 10:50:31 AM
Another 'no' to Scott Dann from me.

I know it's quite unlikely, but given Randy's reaction in buying Bent two years ago, I do wonder if he'll puch the boat out to try and get Lescott. No idea how true it is, but I imagine he'd gladly pay the reported £8m pricetag if the overall financial package could be worked out.

It's the wages that are going to be a problem.

We have to accept that we're going to need players in who will want more than the lower wages kids from the championship are on, but I think Lescott's deal at Man City will be enormous and well out of our reach.

In the same way we would need to give the likes of Hutton a pay off to move, as he'll get less wages elsewhere, then the same should be true of Lescott. With Everton being his most likely destination, will they pay him what Man City are?

If we sell Bent in Jan, I can see something being possible with Lescott getting paid his wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 11:17:34 AM: If there's any chance at all of Lescott leaving Man City we should be all over it. I like the idea of two senior centre halves (Vlaar and Lescott) and one youngster at a time (Baker or Clark) with them. And then maybe one more for cover.

The way I see it is who are we currently happy with? What/who is working?

Guzan - Certainly.
Given - Move him on asap.
Lowton - yes.
Clark - Sporadically. He had a good spell before the recent turmoil. It would be good to take him out of the firing line more often.
Baker - Has been very good. At his age there will still be a fair few mistakes but is developing well.
Vlaar - Yes. A natural leader but still learning the game here. By the spring (injuries aside) he should be completely up to speed.
Herd - Again, sporadically. I believe his best position is right back though.
Lichaj - A useful squad player I'd rather not have to rely on for any lengthy period.
Bennett - Work in progress. Will need a year of cameos to get his head around it.
Stephens - See Bennett.
Dunne - Move him on asap.
EL Ahmadi - Good early performances and has hit the wall since. Reserving judgement. Not first choice in the mean time.
Bannan - Another player of potential but not the most reliable.
Delph - There's a decent player there somehwere but its not really working out.
Gardner - I have the highest hopes for him but those injuries...
Westwood - A solid player who has taken to this league well. One to keep I think.
Holman - Hit and miss.
Ireland - I love his vision and cleverness but again, something isnt firing. A passenger too often.
N'Zogbia - Very frustrating as we all know he could be magic, but injuries and questionable character may mean he'll never shine here.
Petrov - Is sadly probably never going to play for us again.
Makoun - Will be off as soon as we can find a buyer. I'd like to see him come back though.
Johnson and Caurruthers - Two players we should see more of.
Bent - A natural fox in the box but may be moving on.
Gabby - Frustrating beyond belief. Should be lethal but... isnt. A useful bench player now maybe.
Benteke - Certainly.
Weimann - Certainly.
Delfouneso - Havent written him off but I doubt he'll ever figure here now.
Bowery - No idea at all.

So who would I put down without any hesitation in a starting XI? Its usually a good indicator of what we need.
Imagine you're Lambert picking a team right now with everybody fit...

Guzan

Vlaar ????? Baker
Lowton ?????
?????
Westwood ?????

?????
Weimann Benteke

So in my opinion 5 players short of a potentially very good or better side giving the other players we keep a chance to develop from more measured use.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:25:36 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 11:17:34 AM
If there's any chance at all of Lescott leaving Man City we should be all over it. I like the idea of two senior centre halves (Vlaar and Lescott) and one youngster at a time (Baker or Clark) with them. And then maybe one more for cover.

The way I see it is who are we currently happy with? What/who is working?

Guzan - Certainly.
Given - Move him on asap.
Lowton - yes.
Clark - Sporadically. He had a good spell before the recent turmoil. It would be good to take him out of the firing line more often.
Baker - Has been very good. At his age there will still be a fair few mistakes but is developing well.
Vlaar - Yes. A natural leader but still learning the game here. By the spring (injuries aside) he should be completely up to speed.
Herd - Again, sporadically. I believe his best position is right back though.
Lichaj - A useful squad player I'd rather not have to rely on for any lengthy period.
Bennett - Work in progress. Will need a year of cameos to get his head around it.
Stephens - See Bennett.
Dunne - Move him on asap.
EL Ahmadi - Good early performances and has hit the wall since. Reserving judgement. Not first choice in the mean time.
Bannan - Another player of potential but not the most reliable.
Delph - There's a decent player there somehwere but its not really working out.
Gardner - I have the highest hopes for him but those injuries...
Westwood - A solid player who has taken to this league well. One to keep I think.
Holman - Hit and miss.
Ireland - I love his vision and cleverness but again, something isnt firing. A passenger too often.
N'Zogbia - Very frustrating as we all know he could be magic, but injuries and questionable character may mean he'll never shine here.
Petrov - Is sadly probably never going to play for us again.
Makoun - Will be off as soon as we can find a buyer. I'd like to see him come back though.
Johnson and Caurruthers - Two players we should see more of.
Bent - A natural fox in the box but may be moving on.
Gabby - Frustrating beyond belief. Should be lethal but... isnt. A useful bench player now maybe.
Benteke - Certainly.
Weimann - Certainly.
Delfouneso - Havent written him off but I doubt he'll ever figure here now.
Bowery - No idea at all.

So who would I put down without any hesitation in a starting XI? Its usually a good indicator of what we need.
Imagine you're Lambert picking a team right now with everybody fit...

Guzan

Vlaar ????? Baker
Lowton ?????
?????
Westwood ?????

?????
Weimann Benteke

So in my opinion 5 players short of a potentially very good or better side giving the other players we keep a chance to develop from more measured use.

You have 12 spots in that line up maz , the 7 chosen I'd agree with , I think I'd prefer to go with a flat back 4 though and see midfield as lacking in 2 quality players plus another central defender needed.

I would use Clark alongside Westwood as defensive midfielder when all fit, and I think Bennett would be ok if playing behind a decent midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 11:29:40 AM: Yeah, should have mentioned. The 12 spots are for moving between 5-3-2 (3-5-2) and 4-3-3.
Which I see as the 2 main options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 02, 2013, 11:33:00 AM: Clark was so anonymous in midfield last season, I can't believe we think he's going to solve any problems this time. He needs to make it as a centre half or not at all.

He badly needs some experience alongside him but he also needs to toughen up. He too often gets outmuscled.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM: I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:47:36 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I see gabby and bannan as bench players really , not regular starters- you forgot albrighton, who I really don't think is good enough at this level, sorry that Carruthers hasn't been given a try because I think he could be very useful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 02, 2013, 11:48:30 AM: Has Sky's shouty 'Mr Transfer' said anything yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:48:59 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I see gabby and bannan as bench players really , not regular starters- you forgot albrighton, who I really don't think is good enough at this level, sorry that Carruthers hasn't been given a try because I think he could be very useful.

Ah, good point, forgot Albrighton.

I'd have him in the not good enough pot, too, sadly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:14:48 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I see gabby and bannan as bench players really , not regular starters- you forgot albrighton, who I really don't think is good enough at this level, sorry that Carruthers hasn't been given a try because I think he could be very useful.

Ah, good point, forgot Albrighton.

I'd have him in the not good enough pot, too, sadly.

I would agree totally with your assessment Paulie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2013, 12:15:06 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I see gabby and bannan as bench players really , not regular starters- you forgot albrighton, who I really don't think is good enough at this level, sorry that Carruthers hasn't been given a try because I think he could be very useful.

Ah, good point, forgot Albrighton.

I'd have him in the not good enough pot, too, sadly.

I'd agree with that although I'd have Westwood in the good enough category.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM: I'd sell Bannan. He doesn't have many good games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 02, 2013, 12:18:40 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I see gabby and bannan as bench players really , not regular starters- you forgot albrighton, who I really don't think is good enough at this level, sorry that Carruthers hasn't been given a try because I think he could be very useful.

Ah, good point, forgot Albrighton.

I'd have him in the not good enough pot, too, sadly.
I think you have nailed my feelings pretty much there, Paulie. Only slight changes for me. I'm unconvinced by Bannan, think we miss Gabby when he isn't fit, so would bump him up maybe (although, he makes it hard to disagree with your placement), and I'd bump Albrighton into the 'unconvinced' with Bannan. He can be good enough, and he loves the club, but his confidence is shot to pieces. He gets an awful lot of stick for a youngster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2013, 12:21:49 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Westwood, Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso, Albrighton

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers
I'd agree with Paulie's list, with the appropriate addition of Westie and Albie.

My only change would be that I would still like to see Herd back in MF; I just don't see him as a CB. But I do see him as a valuable squad player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 02, 2013, 12:21:59 PM: Allbrighton is a woeful shadow of his early career promise. if we can get money for him, move him on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2013, 12:22:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 09:21:37 AM
Chris Samba would be awesome, what is he up to now?
Being paid twice our annual wage budget to challenge for the title in Russia.

This is the problem - people say "we need Premier League experience" and expect that it means Lescott, Samba or Hangeland. As if they're not going to have a dozen or so more attractive options.

In our current situation it actually means Dann, Johnson, Bramble or Wheater.

Then they get very disappointed and shouty.

For the midfield, it Stuart Holden could get through a stringent medical then I'd be delighted with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:22:29 PM: Yeah Westwood would be in the good enough too. Thing for me is growing that list to a point where if we have an injury nightmare there are good players coming in. That takes time, especially after having to so drastically rebuild last summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM: For me:-

Happy with and can progress with
Guzan, Benteke, Weimann, Westwood, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker

Happy to stay as squad players
Bannan, Clark, Albrighton, Gabby, Given (although maybe move on due to his wages), Lichaj, Stephens, Holman

Undecided
Bowery, Bennett, KEA

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 02, 2013, 12:27:15 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 02, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
Clark was so anonymous in midfield last season, I can't believe we think he's going to solve any problems this time. He needs to make it as a centre half or not at all.

He badly needs some experience alongside him but he also needs to toughen up. He too often gets outmuscled.
Totally agree with Clark's performances in midfield.He has enough ability to play there but doesn't seem comfortable in that role being unable to read the game,especially when to pick up an opponent or when to go forward.Warnock would appeal to me in that role but probably not to the staff and some of the players as the Guardian podcast suggests.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM: On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2013, 12:33:17 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
I'd go with:

Good Enough Now - Guzan, Lowton, Baker, Clark (although I'd prefer him in midfield), Vlaar, Bannan, Bent, Benteke, Weimann, Dunne (in the sense that we could do with him back now)

Unconvinced - Holman, Bennett, KEA, Stephens, Gabby (mainly due to a comparison of what we could get out of him versus what we actually do get).

Not Good Enough - Lichaj, Herd, Delph, Delfouneso

Sell - Given, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland (I like him, but too inconsistent), N'Zogbia (I sometimes forget he plays for us)

No idea - Bowery, Johnson, Carruthers

I'd move Delfouneso to Unconvinced and put Albrighton in there with him but otherwise that's spot on and highlights the problem we have. Too many senior players are in your 'sell' section (which is really not all that different to the 'not good enough' section).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2013, 12:35:58 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
Or Dan, it means fuck all. I don't recall seeing the club make a statement on it, so they're guessing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 12:36:20 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM
I'd sell Bannan. He doesn't have many good games.

Agreed. He's Championship standard. Never understood his popularity with many Villa fans. Perhaps it's because he came through the ranks. His distribution is poor, he loses possession and his corners are shite. Get rid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 12:36:48 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

Wouldn't read too much into that , there have been reports of Lerner backing lambert financially as well, I don't think anyone knows what money is available to spend or who the targets are - its all guesswork at the moment - I do hope that deals are done early in jan rather than later though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:38:16 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

I'll take it for "Sky don't have a clue what we're planning to spend in January!"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 02, 2013, 12:39:44 PM: Absolutely agree with Dave's post above

Just to easy to say 'we need older players with premiership experience' thinking there is a bunch of them all waiting to sign and make a massive difference, in reality there is a bunch of them who will be more than willing to come but will make no difference,
that's why we have loads of them farmed out or on the fringes on massive wages doing sweet FA,

To just keep saying we need a 'Roy Keane' like player in midfield or words to that effect is rediculous, we haven't got 50 mill to spend on one player,
Frimpong often gets mentioned, I don't know if he would be any good or not but I do know he would be just as much of a risk than any of the young players we already have, he's not currently doing great for Charlton

We do need leadership on the pitch, especially as we seem to start every game slowly and then gain confidence gradually if we haven't let in 3 or 4 by half time, but it's not easy to find those sort of players the good ones cost millions and demand high wages, that's why we are taking a few chances and trying to find pearls,
I hope PL does surprise us all and brings someone in who will fit the bill, who can bring some much needed leadership and quality to the team, but in general it's just as much of a risk with an expensive old hand ( n'zog)as it is with a punt on a youngster (benteke)

I have obviously chosen the two best players to illustrate the point there but you know what I mean
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:40:34 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

I'll take it for "Sky don't have a clue what we're planning to spend in January!"
I hope that is the case Concrete John, i really do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:42:58 PM: Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 12:39:44 PM
Absolutely agree with Dave's post above

Just to easy to say 'we need older players with premiership experience' thinking there is a bunch of them all waiting to sign and make a massive difference, in reality there is a bunch of them who will be more than willing to come but will make no difference,
that's why we have loads of them farmed out or on the fringes on massive wages doing sweet FA,

To just keep saying we need a 'Roy Keane' like player in midfield or words to that effect is rediculous, we haven't got 50 mill to spend on one player,
Frimpong often gets mentioned, I don't know if he would be any good or not but I do know he would be just as much of a risk than any of the young players we already have, he's not currently doing great for Charlton

We do need leadership on the pitch, especially as we seem to start every game slowly and then gain confidence gradually if we haven't let in 3 or 4 by half time, but it's not easy to find those sort of players the good ones cost millions and demand high wages, that's why we are taking a few chances and trying to find pearls,
I hope PL does surprise us all and brings someone in who will fit the bill, who can bring some much needed leadership and quality to the team, but in general it's just as much of a risk with an expensive old hand ( n'zog)as it is with a punt on a youngster (benteke)

I have obviously chosen the two best players to illustrate the point there but you know what I mean
I do know what you mean and a very good point made.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:44:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

Wouldn't read too much into that , there have been reports of Lerner backing lambert financially as well, I don't think anyone knows what money is available to spend or who the targets are - its all guesswork at the moment - I do hope that deals are done early in jan rather than later though.

With the upcoming cup games, for which new players would not be eligable, we don't have a league match again until 12th Jan, so there's not actually all that much of a rush right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 12:46:30 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

Wouldn't read too much into that , there have been reports of Lerner backing lambert financially as well, I don't think anyone knows what money is available to spend or who the targets are - its all guesswork at the moment - I do hope that deals are done early in jan rather than later though.

With the upcoming cup games, for which new players would not be eligable, we don't have a league match again until 12th Jan, so there's not actually all that much of a rush right now.

Still nice to get players in and settled though , I'm sure lambert has identified his targets already.
If we sign players who are not cup tied would they be eligible for the cups or is there a signing cut off date for cup competitions?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2013, 12:47:04 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM
For me:-

Happy with and can progress with
Guzan, Benteke, Weimann, Westwood, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker

Happy to stay as squad players
Bannan, Clark, Albrighton, Gabby, Given (although maybe move on due to his wages), Lichaj, Stephens, Holman

Undecided
Bowery, Bennett, KEA

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

I would go with this.

I would get rid of Given and sign Craig Gordon on a free as a back up keeper. Would save us wages no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 12:49:13 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
On the Villa page on SSN it says that Lambert does not plan to spend big in January ! So then, take from that what you will. Loads of loan signings, whilst shipping out the players that are not doing the buisness for us, or does that mean we are going to have the under 12's on the bench for some games ?
We have to get some experience into the squad, god knows where it is coming from, heard no rumours so far.

Wouldn't read too much into that , there have been reports of Lerner backing lambert financially as well, I don't think anyone knows what money is available to spend or who the targets are - its all guesswork at the moment - I do hope that deals are done early in jan rather than later though.

With the upcoming cup games, for which new players would not be eligable, we don't have a league match again until 12th Jan, so there's not actually all that much of a rush right now.

That's only a week and a half away. Get 'em in ASAP!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 12:51:55 PM: I'd keep Bent, Dunne and N'Zogbia. I'd even call back Warnock till we get out of this mess. We need experience. The team we have now is an abomination. Any more lower league players in the squad and we're gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 02, 2013, 12:52:06 PM: Quote from: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
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Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

Mentioned this in another (the wrong!) thread.
Ex Tamworth player and he follows me on Twitter!

Box-to-box midfielder, real grafter, but a massive step-up from Conference to Premiership in just 3 seasons. Still, some players mature later than others and at 27 he would raise our average age up a notch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2013, 12:52:24 PM: Honestly there is not much point in doing too much in this window. We need domestic PL experience in and around midfield/ forward area and an organiser in defence. So get Kevin Davies to do the former and Ron Vlaar back to do the latter and we will be fine.

Other thn that I am not sure that we will find exactly what we need in terms of quality in January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 12:53:58 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

I would go with this.

Why would we 'need to move on' our best bet of scoring goals, the little things that are the difference between staying up and going down ?.

Surely we've seen with our woeful league position and goals for column that this Bentgate malarky has been nothing short of a disaster already ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:54:32 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 09:21:37 AM
Chris Samba would be awesome, what is he up to now?
Being paid twice our annual wage budget to challenge for the title in Russia.

This is the problem - people say "we need Premier League experience" and expect that it means Lescott, Samba or Hangeland. As if they're not going to have a dozen or so more attractive options.

In our current situation it actually means Dann, Johnson, Bramble or Wheater.

Then they get very disappointed and shouty.

For the midfield, it Stuart Holden could get through a stringent medical then I'd be delighted with him.

Holden and Lee would be good from Bolton.

You are right Dave, which is why I would prefer to go for the likes of Chester and get a Viking. Teh experience thing is only important if coupled with ability for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:56:34 PM: Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on January 02, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

Mentioned this in another (the wrong!) thread.
Ex Tamworth player and he follows me on Twitter!

Box-to-box midfielder, real grafter, but a massive step-up from Conference to Premiership in just 3 seasons. Still, some players mature later than others and at 27 he would raise our average age up a notch.

Would he be any use?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 12:57:03 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

I would go with this.

Why would we 'need to move on' our best bet of scoring goals, the little things that are the difference between staying up and going down ?.

You call him our best bet of scoring goals, but I doubt I'm the only one who would pick Benteke and Weimann as our strike force over him in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM: Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 01:03:48 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 02, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 12:39:44 PM
Absolutely agree with Dave's post above

Just to easy to say 'we need older players with premiership experience' thinking there is a bunch of them all waiting to sign and make a massive difference, in reality there is a bunch of them who will be more than willing to come but will make no difference,
that's why we have loads of them farmed out or on the fringes on massive wages doing sweet FA,

To just keep saying we need a 'Roy Keane' like player in midfield or words to that effect is rediculous, we haven't got 50 mill to spend on one player,
Frimpong often gets mentioned, I don't know if he would be any good or not but I do know he would be just as much of a risk than any of the young players we already have, he's not currently doing great for Charlton

We do need leadership on the pitch, especially as we seem to start every game slowly and then gain confidence gradually if we haven't let in 3 or 4 by half time, but it's not easy to find those sort of players the good ones cost millions and demand high wages, that's why we are taking a few chances and trying to find pearls,
I hope PL does surprise us all and brings someone in who will fit the bill, who can bring some much needed leadership and quality to the team, but in general it's just as much of a risk with an expensive old hand ( n'zog)as it is with a punt on a youngster (benteke)

I have obviously chosen the two best players to illustrate the point there but you know what I mean
I do know what you mean and a very good point made.

The other thing about it it is the youth policy Lambert's adopted is in order to try and unearth the new Milners and Ashley Youngs before they become the players they can be. So the likes of Benteke, Westwood and Lowton are not there to keep us in the league, but to shoot us up it as they develop and improve. So making the shorter term experienced signings is tricky as you a) don't want to impede the youth development and b) can't overspend on them and get into the financial hole we now seem to be getting out of.

I thought we got it pretty right in the summer with Holman, Vlaar and KEA, but the results have been mixed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 01:05:13 PM: Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?

Not for me, 35 and already looked like his best days were behind him. Nothing to be gained for either party IMHO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2013, 01:10:49 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM
I'd sell Bannan. He doesn't have many good games.

Agreed. He's Championship standard. Never understood his popularity with many Villa fans. Perhaps it's because he came through the ranks. His distribution is poor, he loses possession and his corners are shite. Get rid.

Stats wise he averages about an 80% pass completion rate which is ok but not great but made a lot better by the fact that a much higher portion of his passes are forward than most players with completions in the 90s. He also averages 1.6 key passes a game (that's double Irelands average and easily the highest in our midfield) and has the highest cross completion rate in the team. Add on that he works his arse off and tries to make himself available to the man on the ball better than anyone except Westwood and it becomes clear to me that, whilst not ready to be a regular starter, he's a valuable squad member who provides much more to the club than a lot of others who are significantly better paid .

Feel free to check the stats if you like - Barry Bannan (http://www.whoscored.com/Players/70100)

To really see how good he could be we need to get a big nasty bugger in there with him and Westwood and let him play much further forward.

The negative of his game is that he does often try to hit passes that are very high risk which has given him the 'hollywood' reputation but, personally, I'm all for having a player that backs himself like this, playing it safe all the time isn't a quality you want from your entire midfield (unless that midfield contains xavi, iniesta, fabregas and busquets, at which point you just forget the stats and sit and enjoy the show).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2013, 01:16:32 PM: Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?
At Villareal in the Spanish second division.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 02, 2013, 01:16:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on January 02, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

Mentioned this in another (the wrong!) thread.
Ex Tamworth player and he follows me on Twitter!

Box-to-box midfielder, real grafter, but a massive step-up from Conference to Premiership in just 3 seasons. Still, some players mature later than others and at 27 he would raise our average age up a notch.

Would he be any use?

If he really has improved that much at Charlton then yes, he'll do the dirty work in front of the back four and even back at Tamuff he rarely wasted a pass once he'd won the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 01:18:23 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

I would go with this.

Why would we 'need to move on' our best bet of scoring goals, the little things that are the difference between staying up and going down ?.

You call him our best bet of scoring goals, but I doubt I'm the only one who would pick Benteke and Weimann as our strike force over him in a heartbeat.

Problem is though, what if benteke or Weimann pick up a bad injury, I'd rather have bent than gabby or Bowery .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 01:26:44 PM: Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on January 02, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on January 02, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

Mentioned this in another (the wrong!) thread.
Ex Tamworth player and he follows me on Twitter!

Box-to-box midfielder, real grafter, but a massive step-up from Conference to Premiership in just 3 seasons. Still, some players mature later than others and at 27 he would raise our average age up a notch.

Would he be any use?

If he really has improved that much at Charlton then yes, he'll do the dirty work in front of the back four and even back at Tamuff he rarely wasted a pass once he'd won the ball.

I can see the howls of discontent if we sign 2 Charlton players to solve our midfield woes though!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dekko on January 02, 2013, 01:28:50 PM: I'd keep hold of Bent more or less purely to use as an impact sub - 'teke and Weimann are probably better all round players, and a great partnership to boot, so I'd start the two of them, and then throw on Bent for one of them towards the end of a game to use his positioning etc to find gaps in tiring defences.

Of course, then you'd have a player on massive wages only getting used on occasion - plus I doubt he'd be happy to settle for being second fiddle to a bunch of kids
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 01:29:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

I would go with this.

Why would we 'need to move on' our best bet of scoring goals, the little things that are the difference between staying up and going down ?.

You call him our best bet of scoring goals, but I doubt I'm the only one who would pick Benteke and Weimann as our strike force over him in a heartbeat.

Problem is though, what if benteke or Weimann pick up a bad injury, I'd rather have bent than gabby or Bowery .

If you take Weimann and Benteke as out first choice pairing right now, then it's unrealistic to expect a club in our present position to have a really strong 3rd choice striker. Even the likes of Spurs would be fucked if they lost both Adebayor and Defoe to injury at the same time.

The simple fact is that unless we're going to play Bent, he's too valuable an assett to have sitting on the bench, or in the stand, so it's better for the club to sell him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:36:13 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2013, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?

Not for me, 35 and already looked like his best days were behind him. Nothing to be gained for either party IMHO

So are Frank Lampards, same age there's plenty would take him though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 01:47:50 PM: I don't agree at all that "where we are" = dross from a league or two below us.

There is absolutely no way that Scott Dann and the like is the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 02, 2013, 01:50:03 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 02, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 02, 2013, 12:17:55 PM
I'd sell Bannan. He doesn't have many good games.

Agreed. He's Championship standard. Never understood his popularity with many Villa fans. Perhaps it's because he came through the ranks. His distribution is poor, he loses possession and his corners are shite. Get rid.

Stats wise he averages about an 80% pass completion rate which is ok but not great but made a lot better by the fact that a much higher portion of his passes are forward than most players with completions in the 90s. He also averages 1.6 key passes a game (that's double Irelands average and easily the highest in our midfield) and has the highest cross completion rate in the team. Add on that he works his arse off and tries to make himself available to the man on the ball better than anyone except Westwood and it becomes clear to me that, whilst not ready to be a regular starter, he's a valuable squad member who provides much more to the club than a lot of others who are significantly better paid .

Feel free to check the stats if you like - Barry Bannan (http://www.whoscored.com/Players/70100)

To really see how good he could be we need to get a big nasty bugger in there with him and Westwood and let him play much further forward.

The negative of his game is that he does often try to hit passes that are very high risk which has given him the 'hollywood' reputation but, personally, I'm all for having a player that backs himself like this, playing it safe all the time isn't a quality you want from your entire midfield (unless that midfield contains xavi, iniesta, fabregas and busquets, at which point you just forget the stats and sit and enjoy the show).

Well said and researched. I think that Bannan playing further forward would actually suit him better because of his penchant for high-risk passes, because that's the part of the pitch you want high-risk in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2013, 01:53:10 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 01:47:50 PM
I don't agree at all that "where we are" = dross from a league or two below us.

There is absolutely no way that Scott Dann and the like is the best we can hope for.

Agreed, I think Villa fans have a tendency to overplay the 'lets be realistic' card, we'd still be a big draw for a lot of players, we're one of only a small handful of clubs who've been ever presents in the sky era and a few years ago we were pushing the top 4. Yes things have gone wrong since but we're still capable of attracting bigger players if we want them, it really depends on who the manager wants.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 01:55:38 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 02, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
I think that Bannan playing further forward would actually suit him better because of his penchant for high-risk passes, because that's the part of the pitch you want high-risk in.

Although I agree in part, I'm not sure he possesses enough of a goal threat to really thrive playing in behind Benteke and/or Weimann.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 02, 2013, 02:00:30 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 12:23:22 PM
For me:-

Need to move on
Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Delph, Delfouneso

Just to think a couple of seasons ago these would have been have been the most part of a pretty useful first XI.

Have they simply become crap, or been mismanaged.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2013, 02:02:00 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 02, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
I think that Bannan playing further forward would actually suit him better because of his penchant for high-risk passes, because that's the part of the pitch you want high-risk in.

Although I agree in part, I'm not sure he possesses enough of a goal threat to really thrive playing in behind Benteke and/or Weimann.

if we play a 3 up front so long as all 3 of them are scoring from Bannan's passes it's worth the risk. Aside from that at the moment most of his shots are coming from 25m+ and he just doesn't have the power to do that without swinging wildly, causing the ball to go all over the place. If he was playing in the more advanced role I'd expect his chances to come more between the penalty spot and the edge of the box and he does have the quality to score those chances.

The long range piledrivers can be left to the big guy we bring in to support BB and AW.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 02:05:23 PM: I don't agree that bannan can play further forward. Space gets tighter and he doesn't have the physique or pace or dribbling ability to avoid getting crowded out in my view

Derek boateng seems set to sign for Fulham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 02, 2013, 02:05:38 PM: I'd also say that Bannan might well score more goals if he's playing further forward, just by benefit of balls landing at his feet in the penalty area as opposed to the half-way line.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 02:12:30 PM: I wouldn't exclude the possibility of him scoring more if played further forward, just that I see no evidence thus far he could be a 10 goal a season player, which I feel he'd need to be.

paul-e - I'd say that it really dpends on the formation. If we're playing 5 at the back, then we really don't have any advanced width, so the player behind the strikers would need to chip in with goals. If it's a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 then it may be less important, but still a part of his game he'd need to improve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 02:39:45 PM: We're still yet to find a convincing defensive midfielder, and it's that type of player we've been needing for a bloody long time and now more than ever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2013, 02:49:19 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 02:39:45 PM
We're still yet to find a convincing defensive midfielder, and it's that type of player we've been needing for a bloody long time and now more than ever.

We definitely do need that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 02, 2013, 02:50:56 PM: I think that selling Delph is tough on him, he can be a walking yellow card, but he is fast and has improved this season from a pretty average player last year. I would play Bannan further back, in fact so far back id leave him on the bus. His "wayward" passes have led to a number of opposition goals or scoring opportunities. I love his attitude, but we cant afford players to continually give the ball away, usually when we are trying to break, leaving holes behind him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 02, 2013, 02:51:20 PM: Raoul Loe, anyone seen him play? Big defensive midfielder we're being linked with. French 6'4" and 23.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 02, 2013, 02:54:27 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 02, 2013, 02:51:20 PM
Raoul Loe, anyone seen him play? Big defensive midfielder we're being linked with.

He used to play at Manchego but got cheesed off there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 02:55:16 PM: Where is he from? The words big defensive midfielder fill me with joy!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 02:55:53 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 02, 2013, 02:51:20 PM
Raoul Loe, anyone seen him play? Big defensive midfielder we're being linked with.

6 foot 4 DCM according to Wiki, but never seem him play. He sounds like what we need, other than being very inexperienced having only made his La Liga debut last year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 02, 2013, 03:02:20 PM: Derek Boateng having a medical at Fulham. There's a perfectly capable and relatively affordable central midfield option gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:06:11 PM: Aston Villa, Newcastle and Reading are keen on Osasuna's Raoul Loe.
The 6ft 4in defensive midfielder has been outstanding for the Spanish side this season but their perilous financial state means they will listen to any decent offers for the 23-year-old.
Norwich have also shown interest in the Frenchman.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246671/Aston-Villa-Newcastle-Reading-keen-Osasuna
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:11:08 PM: Chelsea have triggered the demba ba release clause and he has gone to the bridge for talks today, wonder if Newcastle will be interested in bent ?

Odemwingie may be available at about £3m according to press reports - bit of a hit and miss player but decent on his day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on January 02, 2013, 03:22:19 PM: VT have an ITK claiming a deal with Dale Stephens (Charlton) is done, with formalities to be tied up.

Don't know the player myself, but does come with a heavy midfield presence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:29:58 PM: Quote from: Michel Sibble on January 02, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
VT have an ITK claiming a deal with Dale Stephens (Charlton) is done, with formalities to be tied up.

Don't know the player myself, but does come with a heavy midfield presence.

Any fee being bandied about?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on January 02, 2013, 03:39:34 PM: None mentioned, eastie, however Stephens may be available for the League Cup tie against Bradford.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:42:56 PM: Quote from: Michel Sibble on January 02, 2013, 03:39:34 PM
None mentioned, eastie, however Stephens may be available for the League Cup tie against Bradford.

May be useful now Westwood is injured, didn't realise he wasn't cup tied which would be a bonus , the lack of experience at top level is a worry but he seems a solid enough signing from what I've heard of him.

“Dale Stephens? Never heard of him! What’s Lambert playing at!” – This was a typical tweet from an Aston Villa fan when their club was chasing Charlton’s unheralded no.8 at the end of the last transfer window. Many Charlton fans were just as bemused when the club stubbornly refused to let Stephens leave, with some reports suggesting that even a bid as high as £2.5m (I know, I know – but for a club just out of three seasons in League 1 that’s a lot of cash!) was turned down.

Yet where some Charlton fans were bemused, they should have been relieved. For years the club has given in far too easily to the demands of bigger clubs for their best assets. Lee Bowyer, Scott Parker, Jonjo Shelvey and Carl Jenkinson were all sold far below their value. As Villa knocked on the door I hope that for once we would show some ambition and hold onto our best assets. For once we did.

Am I placing Stephens in the same bracket as the players mentioned above? Not quite – but he’s not far off. I have no doubts that Stephens is a Premier League level midfielder. Stephens is the best passer of the ball that the Addicks’ midfield has seen since the days of Danny Murphy. His assist for Ricardo Fuller against Watford on Tuesday night was a thing of beauty, slicing through three players into the path of Fuller. Even Pirlo would have been proud.

If Stephens’ workload can be slightly reduced, then Charlton will boast one of the Championship’s best, if not the best, deep-lying playmaker in their side
Stephens almost never fails to find his man with a pass, he is the key to Charlton’s ticking over of possession. He picks it up from defence and moves it on. If Stephens is on form then Charlton will enjoy their fair share of opposition, no matter the opposition. Stephens, who is best operating from deep in the quarter-back role, is the first instigator of nearly all of Charlton’s meaningful attacks.

It is for this reason that Chris Powell should be building his team around Stephens. Powell and his backroom should be tucked away in some dark corner of the Valley devising a plan that brings the best out of Dale. On Saturday we play Blackpool, one of the best sides in the Championship at keeping the ball. If we are to match them at all we need to get Dale on form. For this to happen a switch to 4-5-1, or even 4-3-3 is essential.

The 4-4-2 most commonly employed by Chris Powell this season does not do enough to maximize Stephens’ ability. In a midfield two alongside Danny Hollands Stephens’ range of passing and vision is put on the backburner as he must cover the whole pitch, close down and break up play. He is not helped by the fact that too often Hollands has failed to live up to his imperious League One performances since making the step up to the Championship.

If Powell can bring in Razak and, in this writer’s opinion, Pritchard alongside Stephens in a midfield three, Charlton can truly begin to assert themselves on Championship midfields
If Stephens’ workload can be slightly reduced, then Charlton will boast one of the Championship’s best, if not the best, deep-lying playmaker in their side. (Brighton’s Liam Bridcutt being the other outstanding candidate.) Luckily for Powell, Charlton have a host of midfielders ready to slot in to a central midfield three. There is the aforementioned Hollands, a player who looked far more at home in a five-man midfield against Blackburn, Bradley Pritchard whose energy and hustling could reduce Stephen’s defensive responsibilities and Johnnie Jackson, the versatile club captain who can do a job almost anywhere on the field.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 02, 2013, 03:57:31 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 02, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
I think that Bannan playing further forward would actually suit him better because of his penchant for high-risk passes, because that's the part of the pitch you want high-risk in.

Although I agree in part, I'm not sure he possesses enough of a goal threat to really thrive playing in behind Benteke and/or Weimann.

I think Bannan would benefit from not being on set pieces, his delivery is always floated and to the layman that seems the easiest to defend against....if we had someone who could deliver a corner / free kick with some pace then we a) might score from the odd set piece and b) might be able to appreciate Bannan for his passing rather than effing and jeffing every time we get a corner / free kick
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 04:07:27 PM: Quote from: Michel Sibble on January 02, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
VT have an ITK claiming a deal with Dale Stephens (Charlton) is done, with formalities to be tied up.

Don't know the player myself, but does come with a heavy midfield presence.

VT have a bloke who is acting like an ITK claiming the deal is done. Meaningless guff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 04:21:21 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:11:08 PM
Chelsea have triggered the demba ba release clause and he has gone to the bridge for talks today, wonder if Newcastle will be interested in bent ?

Odemwingie may be available at about £3m according to press reports - bit of a hit and miss player but decent on his day.

I have always thought he is a very similar player to Gabby.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 04:23:27 PM: Read on VT that Westwood has tweated to say injury not as bad as first thought and just badly bruised
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 02, 2013, 04:27:10 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2013, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 03:11:08 PM
Chelsea have triggered the demba ba release clause and he has gone to the bridge for talks today, wonder if Newcastle will be interested in bent ?

Odemwingie may be available at about £3m according to press reports - bit of a hit and miss player but decent on his day.

I have always thought he is a very similar player to Gabby.

But not as good! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 02, 2013, 04:33:57 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 04:23:27 PM
Read on VT that Westwood has tweated to say injury not as bad as first thought and just badly bruised

@ARWesty04: @Dazbedford1971 it's fine mate cheers pal a lot better than I first thought

Yes , good news !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 02, 2013, 05:29:35 PM: Really happy to hear it's not a break.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on January 02, 2013, 05:52:37 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?

In our situation I would sign him on an 18 month deal. He is a leader and he loves the club. I think he would be gettable for not silly money.
At Villareal in the Spanish second division.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM: Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2013, 06:05:19 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 02, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
Quote from: john e on January 02, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Olaf Mellberg looked alright in the Euro's
Now he has prem experience leadership and a villa legend to boot

Is he still playing ?

In our situation I would sign him on an 18 month deal. He is a leader and he loves the club. I think he would be gettable for not silly money.
At Villareal in the Spanish second division.
Can he afford the shirts again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 06:36:53 PM: What about the hitz on a short term deal? Linked to west ham by collymore. Though I'd have thought Everton would want to keep him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 02, 2013, 06:39:45 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!
if it was the tesco by villa park they must be in the know for sure!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 06:44:34 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 06:36:53 PM
What about the hitz on a short term deal? Linked to west ham by collymore. Though I'd have thought Everton would want to keep him

No thanks part XXVII.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2013, 06:46:13 PM: Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on January 02, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: dekko on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 02, 2013, 10:52:01 AM
Quote
Charlton Athletic midfielder Bradley Pritchard has reportedly emerged as a transfer target for three clubs in the Premier League.

The Zimbabwe-born 27-year-old has been a permanent fixture in the Addicks team this season, earning rave reviews for his dominant displays in the centre of the field.

Yesterday saw the January transfer window open and, according to Sky Sports News, Aston Villa, Fulham and Reading are all monitoring Pritchard as they consider bolstering their squads.

Pritchard, whose contract expires in June 2014, joined Charlton from Hayes & Yeading in May 2011.

Charlton fan I know posted this on facebook:

'if you steal bradley pritchard off us i will take the cheese grater to your face. Peace'

He rates him.

Mentioned this in another (the wrong!) thread.
Ex Tamworth player and he follows me on Twitter!

Box-to-box midfielder, real grafter, but a massive step-up from Conference to Premiership in just 3 seasons. Still, some players mature later than others and at 27 he would raise our average age up a notch.

Didn't Charlton sign him from Hayes and Yeading?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2013, 06:48:59 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 02, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2013, 04:23:27 PM
Read on VT that Westwood has tweated to say injury not as bad as first thought and just badly bruised

@ARWesty04: @Dazbedford1971 it's fine mate cheers pal a lot better than I first thought

Yes , good news !

Excellent. He can't play against Bradford and I'd rest him against Ipswich to hopefully get him ready for Southampton which is a massive game for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2013, 06:56:15 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!

Aaron Lescott and Alan Keane probably.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2013, 06:59:06 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 02, 2013, 06:56:15 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!

Aaron Lescott and Alan Keane probably.

Or maybe Lescott to play and Roy "Dream Manager" Keane in Lambert's place. We can all dream
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2013, 07:01:51 PM: We can all dream of conceding less than two goals a game thanks to Mr Mumblypants and his brilliant "new direction", whatever that it, as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:10:15 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 02, 2013, 07:01:51 PM
We can all dream of conceding less than two goals a game thanks to Mr Mumblypants and his brilliant "new direction", whatever that it, as well.

Constructive as usual at the moment I see.

Speaking of which, I had forgotten in the 4 months between the last one and this, the sheer madness of twitter when the window is open.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 07:12:58 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 02, 2013, 07:01:51 PM
We can all dream of conceding less than two goals a game thanks to Mr Mumblypants and his brilliant "new direction", whatever that it, as well.

Constructive as usual at the moment I see.

About as constructive as the original post it was replying to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:13:59 PM: I thought my posts made you physically sick last time I checked. Why still read them?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 07:17:13 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 07:13:59 PM
I thought my posts made you physically sick last time I checked. Why still read them?

Very constructive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 02, 2013, 07:19:02 PM: Reo-Coker, Hitzelsperger....
What is it with our obsession with our very average ex-players?
You do know that there's more than 4 full-time professional footballers worldwide right?
If we've already tried them and they weren't much good, why a few years later are they suddenly going to be the answer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2013, 07:19:05 PM: Bring Warnock back and all will be right with the world....apart from those comical own goals against QPR. And also being completely ripped to shreds by Nathan Dyer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2013, 07:19:14 PM: Anyone want the transfer window to slam shut already?
It already seems tedious and vulgar and that's before anythings even happened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 02, 2013, 07:21:49 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2013, 07:19:14 PM
Anyone want the transfer window to slam shut already?

As it is imperative we buy some players... no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 02, 2013, 07:24:52 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!

Was it Lerner and Faulkner?

Did they look a bit confused and lost, hanging around the women's lingerie section? Or did Faulkner just look like a spare part?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2013, 07:30:33 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 02, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 02, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
Overheard two chaps at Tesco talking that Lescott and Keane are done deals and on their way. They looked genuine to me!

Was it Lerner and Faulkner?

Did they look a bit confused and lost, hanging around the women's lingerie section? Or did Faulkner just look like a spare part?

You're more likely to see that pair shopping at Aldi.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2013, 07:31:30 PM: (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mV3KOszGOZI/T0mUd-vyRNI/AAAAAAAAAFU/UTjz--L7g9w/s1600/extreme_team_le.jpg)

Randy and Faulkner?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 07:38:40 PM: Faulkner strikes me more as a Dougal type figure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 02, 2013, 08:07:26 PM: Apparently lots of noise on Scott Sinclair on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2013, 08:09:04 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 02, 2013, 07:24:52 PM

Was it Lerner and Faulkner?

Did they look a bit confused and lost, hanging around the women's lingerie section? Or did Faulkner just look like a spare part?
Not sure but they went over to Customer Services to return half a roll of unused Xmas wrapping paper. When the assistant asked for their names all I could make out from some distance away was Candle Burner and Pea Fucker!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2013, 08:13:55 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 02, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Apparently lots of noise on Scott Sinclair on loan

Would be happy with that. Nowhere near good enough for Man. City anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2013, 08:14:54 PM: With Demba Ba going to Chelsea, what odds on Bent to Newcastle?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 02, 2013, 08:15:16 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 02, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Apparently lots of noise on Scott Sinclair on loan

Ye its all over Twitter .....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2013, 08:16:42 PM: Sinclair on loan would be very welcome.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 08:18:27 PM: Slightly strange move for Lambert, who's said he doesn't want to play with wingers?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2013, 08:18:42 PM: They're also saying on Twitter that Sinclair has played for 2 clubs this season already which would rule it out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2013, 08:27:04 PM: I don't think be actually played for Swansea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 08:28:09 PM: I'm fairly sure he did, I think he might even have scored in their first game of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 08:31:30 PM: Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 02, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
With Demba Ba going to Chelsea, what odds on Bent to Newcastle?

Not a bad shout, but I don't think hey need him when they have pretty much a carbon copy of Ba already in Cisse. Not to mention the fact they badly need to spend this money on a few squad players to add some depth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on January 02, 2013, 08:32:47 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 08:28:09 PM
I'm fairly sure he did, I think he might even have scored in their first game of the season.

He scored the 5th when they beat QPR 0 - 5
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2013, 08:33:37 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 08:28:09 PM
I'm fairly sure he did, I think he might even have scored in their first game of the season.

He did, first game of the season for Swansea against QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 02, 2013, 08:35:31 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 08:28:09 PM
I'm fairly sure he did, I think he might even have scored in their first game of the season.

Just checked the BBC match report for the opening game they played. Sinclair came on as a sub and scored, so that's that one fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2013, 08:36:07 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 02, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
With Demba Ba going to Chelsea, what odds on Bent to Newcastle?

Not a bad shout, but I don't think hey need him when they have pretty much a carbon copy of Ba already in Cisse. Not to mention the fact they badly need to spend this money on a few squad players to add some depth.
NUFC are apparently trying to sign a French replacement; perhaps Remy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on January 02, 2013, 08:49:55 PM: regarding playing for three clubs here is the rule;

Currently under the FIFA Transfer Regulations a football player is unable to play for more than three teams in one season. This applies whether the player has been transferred or simply is on loan with that club.

This also applies regardless of what country that player has plied his trade in, whether that is in Europe, Africa or South America. As long as a player has represented a club in a league under the adjudication of a FIFA Member Association they will only be able to play for three different clubs.

However, this does mean that a football player is free to represent a total of three different clubs in any league in the world over the course of one season.

Therefore it still could be on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 08:53:57 PM: Quote from: Mister E on January 02, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 02, 2013, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 02, 2013, 08:14:54 PM
With Demba Ba going to Chelsea, what odds on Bent to Newcastle?

Not a bad shout, but I don't think hey need him when they have pretty much a carbon copy of Ba already in Cisse. Not to mention the fact they badly need to spend this money on a few squad players to add some depth.
NUFC are apparently trying to sign a French replacement; perhaps Remy.

Really? Didn't know that. It would still surprise me but I'll eat my humble pie if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 02, 2013, 09:45:29 PM: Sinclair is a no go, he has played for and scored for Swansea before he moved to City.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2013, 09:49:50 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 02, 2013, 09:45:29 PM
Sinclair is a no go, he has played for and scored for Swansea before he moved to City.

A couple of posts above suggests it is okay. Have you read/heard otherwise?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 02, 2013, 10:50:38 PM: I'm not 100% sure, can we class it as an emergency loan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248600/Fulhams-Nicky-Shorey-FIFA-probe-playing-club-season.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 02, 2013, 11:02:05 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 02, 2013, 10:50:38 PM
I'm not 100% sure, can we class it as an emergency loan?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248600/Fulhams-Nicky-Shorey-FIFA-probe-playing-club-season.html

So FIFA are moaning about Emergency loans, yet allowed Maschereno to go to Liverpool which would have been three clubs in a season and a breach of their rules at the time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 01:12:23 AM: 3 clubs in a year is fine, more than 3 is the problem. It's really not uncommon for youngsters to go out on loan to a couple of different clubs in a season which is, I'm sure, the reason it's set to 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2013, 04:46:56 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 02, 2013, 08:28:09 PM
I'm fairly sure he did, I think he might even have scored in their first game of the season.

Sandman, where were you in twenty twelve? Never mind, you're still top of the posting charts but your daily average will have no doubt plummeted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 03, 2013, 06:33:56 AM: Sinclair to Citeh always seemed an odd move but imagine they'll be holding onto him until the summer now. Didn't Manchini only recently rule out selling any players in January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 03, 2013, 07:48:39 AM: Don't rate Sinclair. He was a big fish in a small pond at Swansea.

We need leaders that can help the kids out. I don't feel Sinclair is the answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 03, 2013, 07:49:19 AM: I can't imagine they'll let anyone go before Ivory Coast are out of the African Nations Cup. How about Rodwell though?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 08:36:17 AM: Sinclair is a decent player , would prefer it to be with a view to a permanent deal and I'd be more than happy to let his hot gf sit on my lap during the game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 03, 2013, 08:37:18 AM: Given our desperate need for players, you'd have thought we'd be among the first clubs to do business this transfer window. But, no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 08:38:15 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 03, 2013, 08:37:18 AM
Given our desperate need for players, you'd have thought we'd be among the first club's to do business this transfer window. But, no.

Patience jimbo, I'd be surprised if things don't happen in the next few days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 03, 2013, 08:46:08 AM: Quote from: cdticklefan on January 03, 2013, 07:49:19 AM
I can't imagine they'll let anyone go before Ivory Coast are out of the African Nations Cup. How about Rodwell though?

He's injured until the new year. Just signed him for Villa on Football Manager funnily enough. Him,Owen Hargreaves and Tommy Hitzlesperger on a 6 month contract.

I'm wasted working in Credit Control.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 03, 2013, 08:46:19 AM: I hop you're right, eastie. Have you heard of anything in the pipeline?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:12:57 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 03, 2013, 08:46:19 AM
I hop you're right, eastie. Have you heard of anything in the pipeline?

Nope , not a thing.

ASTON VILLA owner Randy Lerner has told Paul Lambert to keep calm and carry on, despite a nightmare Christmas.

And the American billionaire is ready to back his words with actions by making funds available during the transfer window.

Lerner made a call to support his manager even before the New Year’s Day draw at Swansea, which brought an end to the worst sequence of results in the club’s history.

The 50-year-old talked to Lambert and chief executive Paul Faulkner after the 3-0 home defeat by Wigan.

And he promised patience from the boardroom, despite a horror sequence of 15 goals conceded in three games.

Villa’s hierarchy accept Lambert’s policy of rebuilding the club around young stars will take time and the learning curve will be bumpy.

After going through five managers in two years they believe a period of stability is essential.

Former Norwich boss Lambert spent £27m on seven new players in the summer and has transfer targets lined up again for the next few weeks.

But he has been told to concentrate on quality rather than quantity and find the right additions who will add leadership to the young squad.

Villa face Ipswich at home in the FA Cup on Saturday, then travel to Bradford for the first leg of a Capital One Cup semi-final next Tuesday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 03, 2013, 09:24:38 AM: That sounds promising. What source ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2013, 09:24:50 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 08:36:17 AM
Sinclair is a decent player , would prefer it to be with a view to a permanent deal and I'd be more than happy to let his hot gf sit on my lap during the game.
Not if you are sitting in front of me! Don't care how hot she is there is no way I am going to miss a Bannan 40 yarder straight out to row A.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:27:00 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 03, 2013, 09:24:38 AM
That sounds promising. What source ?

Star
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 09:37:31 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 03, 2013, 09:24:38 AM
That sounds promising. What source ?

Star

We can all sleep easy in our beds now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 09:41:28 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 03, 2013, 08:37:18 AM
Given our desperate need for players, you'd have thought we'd be among the first clubs to do business this transfer window. But, no.

Bloody hell Jimbo, it's only 3 days in. I'm sure things will take off in time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:43:17 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 09:37:31 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 03, 2013, 09:24:38 AM
That sounds promising. What source ?

Star

We can all sleep easy in our beds now.

They are only saying what we all basically know dc5 that Lerner will back lambert with money - you old sceptic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM: No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:00:37 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

I don't know if that story is true or not, but since when was the lack of quotes the distinguishing factor between true and made up?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:04:22 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

I don't know if that story is true or not, but since when was the lack of quotes the distinguishing factor between true and made up?
They reckon they know what the board told PL in a meeting last week.
They can't even be bothered to say an insider told them.Its bullshit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:06:29 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

I don't know if that story is true or not, but since when was the lack of quotes the distinguishing factor between true and made up?
They reckon they know what the board told PL in a meeting last week.
They can't even be bothered to say an insider told them.Its bullshit.

I'm not doubting it's a crock of shit, just pointing out that if a lack of direct quotes is the distinguishing factor for truth in articles, then that rules out 90 percent of things published in the press as untrue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:07:15 AM: Quote from: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Sorry eastie's mum.Bless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 03, 2013, 10:08:08 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

I don't know if that story is true or not, but since when was the lack of quotes the distinguishing factor between true and made up?
They reckon they know what the board told PL in a meeting last week.
They can't even be bothered to say an insider told them.Its bullshit.

I'm not doubting it's a crock of shit, just pointing out that if a lack of direct quotes is the distinguishing factor for truth in articles, then that rules out 90 percent of things published in the press as untrue.

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 10:12:50 AM: There's no reason to believe that he won't be backed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:13:17 AM: If you had inside info coming out of board meeting wouldn't you use it?
Or if you didn't you would just guess/make it up.That article has a whiff all over it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 10:16:50 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
If you had inside info coming out of board meeting wouldn't you use it?
Or if you didn't you would just guess/make it up.That article has a whiff all over it.

Ok, let's just say for the sake of argument that the article said that he was'nt going to be backed and there were no quotes. Would you believe it then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 10:17:57 AM: I've just seen David Villa at the Tesco Express near Solihull Ice Rink
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:21:06 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Sorry eastie's mum.Bless.

Grow up pal!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:21:55 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
If you had inside info coming out of board meeting wouldn't you use it?
Or if you didn't you would just guess/make it up.That article has a whiff all over it.

Ok, let's just say for the sake of argument that the article said that he was'nt going to be backed and there were no quotes. Would you believe it then?
Everbody knows PL will get backing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 03, 2013, 10:22:45 AM: Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 10:17:57 AM
I've just seen David Villa at the Tesco Express near Solihull Ice Rink

that's better....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:26:33 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Sorry eastie's mum.Bless.

Grow up pal!
Snigger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 03, 2013, 10:40:09 AM: If Millie Clode starts to "LOSE" it then please feel free to point it out to me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:52:20 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Sorry eastie's mum.Bless.

Grow up pal!
Snigger.

Yeh snigger , you think it's funny making fun when I've recently lost my mother - sickening!

This used to be a great forum and I've really enjoyed the 7 years on here but things like this make me question if its worth it, time to give it a miss I think .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 11:02:44 AM: Really, what has any of that got to do with transfers, can the silliness end so we can go back to talking about players we won't sign and how much money we have/haven't got.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2013, 11:03:06 AM: Exactly. Pack it in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 11:05:29 AM: Sorry to hear that eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 11:10:32 AM: Yes. Sorry to hear you sad news Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2013, 11:14:54 AM: Like Huddlestone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 03, 2013, 11:16:10 AM: Sorry to hear about your Mom, eastie!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:40 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2013, 11:14:54 AM
Like Huddlestone?

He's alright. Why?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2013, 11:29:06 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2013, 11:14:54 AM
Like Huddlestone?

He's alright. Why?
Just checking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 11:30:14 AM: Something is bubbling up with Peter Whittingham. Maybe not to Villa but it must be possible as Lambert has shown interest in him before.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 03, 2013, 11:56:23 AM: Whits back would be great decent crosser and can score from outside the box.If we could flog Bannan to Forest and replace him with Whits would be a great move..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 12:00:11 PM: I'd take Whittingham back - he's better than KEA (then again so am I probably) and can make things happen. Good shout that is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 12:03:20 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 03, 2013, 11:56:23 AM
Whits back would be great decent crosser and can score from outside the box.If we could flog Bannan to Forest and replace him with Whits would be a great move..

That just sounds terrible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 12:08:29 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 12:00:11 PM
I'd take Whittingham back - he's better than KEA (then again so am I probably) and can make things happen. Good shout that is.

He's a completley different player to KEA though. He's a winger for a start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM: Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 03, 2013, 12:13:17 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.

If he's over 23 he's got no chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 03, 2013, 12:15:00 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.

Never quite sure why he hasn't got a game lately, was very good a couple of years ago.

Don't think I could quite put up with their fans singing about us buying one of their 'rejects'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 03, 2013, 12:16:11 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on January 03, 2013, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: cdticklefan on January 03, 2013, 07:49:19 AM
I can't imagine they'll let anyone go before Ivory Coast are out of the African Nations Cup. How about Rodwell though?

He's injured until the new year. Just signed him for Villa on Football Manager funnily enough. Him,Owen Hargreaves and Tommy Hitzlesperger on a 6 month contract.

I'm wasted working in Credit Control.

It is the New Year! Or do you mean New Year 2014?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2013, 12:16:12 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 03, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.

Never quite sure why he hasn't got a game lately, was very good a couple of years ago.

Don't think I could quite put up with their fans singing about us buying one of their 'rejects'.

I couldn't give a stuff to be honest. He's a good player who appears to be out of favour, and we urgently need some quality in midfield. They've got Ridgewell anyway, so can piss off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2013, 12:17:32 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 12:00:11 PM
I'd take Whittingham back - he's better than KEA (then again so am I probably) and can make things happen. Good shout that is.

He's a completley different player to KEA though. He's a winger for a start.
Back in 2005 maybe. Not now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 12:24:42 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 03, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.

Never quite sure why he hasn't got a game lately, was very good a couple of years ago.

Don't think I could quite put up with their fans singing about us buying one of their 'rejects'.

Doesn't work hard enough is what I was told, if that's the case can't see him suiting Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 12:26:38 PM: Shaved arse is available from Arsenal.
I wouldn't mind him on a loan basis to compliment Weimann and Benteke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 12:28:41 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Shaved arse is available from Arsenal.
I wouldn't mind him on a loan basis to compliment Weimann and Benteke.

His attitude at Arsenal is abysmal. It'd be even worse if he came here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 03, 2013, 12:29:04 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Shaved arse is available from Arsenal.
I wouldn't mind him on a loan basis to compliment Weimann and Benteke.

I imagine he'll go back to Russia, but if we are to continue playing narrow then a player like him behind Benteke and Weimann would give us a really potent attack.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 12:29:22 PM: Here's Lawro's opinion in what we need.

What they need in a nutshell: To sell Darren Bent and add some nous and know-how.

Window shopping: Paul Lambert is building a young side but he is going to have to get two or three experienced heads in there, just to help the kids, because they look short at the moment. Maybe a 'number 10' type of forward who can sit behind Christian Benteke and who they can play through. Robbie Keane, who they signed on loan last January, would again be ideal.

But what they do with Bent could be the key. They could sell him and bring in the two or three players they need with the money. Villa might have to take a hit on the £18m or so they paid for Bent in January 2011 but the deal needs to be done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 12:30:18 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 03, 2013, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Shaved arse is available from Arsenal.
I wouldn't mind him on a loan basis to compliment Weimann and Benteke.

I imagine he'll go back to Russia, but if we are to continue playing narrow then a player like him behind Benteke and Weimann would give us a really potent attack.

Matt Lucas at Reading is supposed to be interested in him.

His Fisher Price hair would be a problem though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 03, 2013, 12:30:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: john e on January 03, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
No quotes in that Star article.File under bullshit.

You don't think Lerner will back his manager then?

Fuck me Jim White Jr is losing it already.

yaaawn
Sorry eastie's mum.Bless.

Grow up pal!
Snigger.

Yeh snigger , you think it's funny making fun when I've recently lost my mother - sickening!

This used to be a great forum and I've really enjoyed the 7 years on here but things like this make me question if its worth it, time to give it a miss I think .

sorry to here that news eastie

i know i had a pop at him but in fairness to Bertlambshank he wouldnt have known that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 03, 2013, 12:33:26 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Shaved arse is available from Arsenal.
I wouldn't mind him on a loan basis to compliment Weimann and Benteke.

he is a class player, lost his way but can be very creative just behind a front one or two as you say
i would certainly take him, especially if we could ofload Ireland which might be difficult
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 03, 2013, 12:38:19 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Here's Lawro's opinion in what we need.

What they need in a nutshell: To sell Darren Bent and add some nous and know-how.

Window shopping: Paul Lambert is building a young side but he is going to have to get two or three experienced heads in there, just to help the kids, because they look short at the moment. Maybe a 'number 10' type of forward who can sit behind Christian Benteke and who they can play through. Robbie Keane, who they signed on loan last January, would again be ideal.

But what they do with Bent could be the key. They could sell him and bring in the two or three players they need with the money. Villa might have to take a hit on the £18m or so they paid for Bent in January 2011 but the deal needs to be done.

Can't really disagree with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 03, 2013, 12:45:25 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 03, 2013, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 12:29:22 PM
Here's Lawro's opinion in what we need.

What they need in a nutshell: To sell Darren Bent and add some nous and know-how.

Window shopping: Paul Lambert is building a young side but he is going to have to get two or three experienced heads in there, just to help the kids, because they look short at the moment. Maybe a 'number 10' type of forward who can sit behind Christian Benteke and who they can play through. Robbie Keane, who they signed on loan last January, would again be ideal.

But what they do with Bent could be the key. They could sell him and bring in the two or three players they need with the money. Villa might have to take a hit on the £18m or so they paid for Bent in January 2011 but the deal needs to be done.

Can't really disagree with that.

I can, he hasn't got a clue about Villa, otherwise he would realise, upfront isn't the issue, Benteke and Weimann have built a great partnership.

It's the defence and midfield we need to strengthen.
And then start helping out the front two,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 03, 2013, 12:49:02 PM: Quote from: cdticklefan on January 03, 2013, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 03, 2013, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: cdticklefan on January 03, 2013, 07:49:19 AM
I can't imagine they'll let anyone go before Ivory Coast are out of the African Nations Cup. How about Rodwell though?

He's injured until the new year. Just signed him for Villa on Football Manager funnily enough. Him,Owen Hargreaves and Tommy Hitzlesperger on a 6 month contract.

I'm wasted working in Credit Control.

It is the New Year! Or do you mean New Year 2014?

Sorry, I meant early new year. I.E March. He did his hamstring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 12:53:06 PM: what would we get for Bent anyway? TSM and lambert have hardly played to his strengths. His value has plummeted and probably the only clubs who could afford his wages wouldn't want him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 03, 2013, 12:58:22 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 03, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Graham Dorrans has been told he can leave the Stripeyfilth. Worth a punt I'd say.

Never quite sure why he hasn't got a game lately, was very good a couple of years ago.

Don't think I could quite put up with their fans singing about us buying one of their 'rejects'.

Doesn't work hard enough is what I was told, if that's the case can't see him suiting Lambert.
Work with a lot of Albion fans. He was fantastic for them in the season they got promoted, and big things were expected from him in the Premier League, as he pissed all over everything in the Championship that season. (Bar Newcastle, who walked the league). During the off season though, he had some personal issues which may have been down to a bereavement and took a while to get over it. Since then has been very hit and miss. All too infrequent glimpses of the quality he does possess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 03, 2013, 01:01:16 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 12:53:06 PM
what would we get for Bent anyway? TSM and lambert have hardly played to his strengths. His value has plummeted and probably the only clubs who could afford his wages wouldn't want him
Nowhere near what we paid for him, but also nowhere near what we could have lost had we got relegated that season
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 01:01:26 PM: Dorrans for nothing would be OK
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 03, 2013, 01:03:48 PM: Dorrans & Whitts would improve the midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:15:24 PM: Thanks for the kind words guys- appreciate it.

Last few months have been a tough time and I think the comment hit a raw nerve , and an accident at work too has left me with a lot of time on my hands , hence I've been on here a lot recently , this site has been a very welcome distraction and I value it greatly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2013, 01:19:59 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys- appreciate it.

Yes Eastie, sorry for your loss. Hope you're doing ok.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 01:21:02 PM: Dorrans since they came up has been in and out of the side, Brunt appears to have got the better of their battle now. Decent footballer, but as Chris says I can't see his work rate pleasing Lambert, although Ireland does bugger all much of the time and still gets on the pitch every now and again to remind us what we are missing.

I would like Whittingham back. He is a good player that can create and score goals. Lovely left foot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 03, 2013, 01:21:55 PM: Sorry about your news Eastie,hang in there pal.

'Our man in Germany' must have a couple of off the radar types we can bring in,which would be better value than what we can get over here. I know we could do with some players with English experience,but the names being dished around on here don't fill me with too much confidence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 03, 2013, 01:27:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys- appreciate it.

So sorry for you on the loss of your mother, Eastie.
All the best.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 03, 2013, 01:27:59 PM: Dorrans would be good if we shifted Ireland, as he plays in the behind the strikers type role that Ireland is currently standing in, blaming everyone else for losing the ball. For me the urgency is to get some presence in midfield.

In addition to my post above, I asked the Albion fan who sits by me what happened with Dorrans, and the bereavement I referred to was his son passing away. If that doesn't knock you about I don't know what will.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 01:28:41 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys- appreciate it.

Bad news mate, sorry to hear it, keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 01:31:14 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 03, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
Dorrans would be good if we shifted Ireland, as he plays in the behind the strikers type role that Ireland is currently standing in, blaming everyone else for losing the ball. For me the urgency is to get some presence in midfield.

In addition to my post above, I asked the Albion fan who sits by me what happened with Dorrans, and the bereavement I referred to was his son passing away. If that doesn't knock you about I don't know what will.

Don't think you could ever be the same after that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 01:33:24 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on January 03, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
Sorry about your news Eastie,hang in there pal.

'Our man in Germany' must have a couple of off the radar types we can bring in,which would be better value than what we can get over here. I know we could do with some players with English experience,but the names being dished around on here don't fill me with too much confidence.

Agreed. I'd also rather go for the promise of something great than the known average quantity.
It's a) more exciting and b) potentially more rewarding.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:33:54 PM: Ballotelli anyone - in jest , I know he wouldnt come here but pretty explosive photos from his bust up today-

By Rob Burnett | 03/01/13

Roberto Mancini and Mario Balotelli had to be pulled apart by Manchester City players and staff after a furious bust-up at training today.

These extraordinary pictures show the City boss and Italian striker physically grappling at the training ground this morning.

Mancini was incensed by a mis-timed tackle by the 22-year-old forward.

Balotelli squared up to his manager who reacted by grabbing the young striker by his training bib.

Staff were forced to intervene and coach Brian Kidd had to get between the two before dragging Mancini away from the player as other staff pulled Balotelli away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 01:34:40 PM: Isn't Dorrins on loan at Hull?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 03, 2013, 01:40:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
Ballotelli anyone - in jest , I know he wouldnt come here but pretty explosive photos from his bust up today-

By Rob Burnett | 03/01/13

Roberto Mancini and Mario Balotelli had to be pulled apart by Manchester City players and staff after a furious bust-up at training today.

These extraordinary pictures show the City boss and Italian striker physically grappling at the training ground this morning.

Mancini was incensed by a mis-timed tackle by the 22-year-old forward.

Balotelli squared up to his manager who reacted by grabbing the young striker by his training bib.

Staff were forced to intervene and coach Brian Kidd had to get between the two before dragging Mancini away from the player as other staff pulled Balotelli away.
wheres the link to the piccies Eastie ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 01:43:02 PM: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roberto-mancini-and-mario-balotelli-dragged-1516210
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 02:01:49 PM: It would be impossible for Ballotelli to get upset by Lambert, he wouldn't understand what the fuck he was saying.

All we need to make it happen is £150,000pw wages!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 02:05:33 PM: Balotelli and Benteke! What a frightening prospect. Weimann whipping around them getting shots in while they beat up the defenders and goalkeepers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 02:05:44 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
It would be impossible for Ballotelli to get upset by Lambert, he wouldn't understand what the fuck he was saying.

I reckon Lambert would be pretty hard, too.

He'd definitely batter Mancini in a scrap
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 03, 2013, 02:07:35 PM: Balotelli put in a bad tackle on Scott Sinclair which triggered it off- I think Sinclair would be a decent signing for us .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2013, 02:08:45 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
It would be impossible for Ballotelli to get upset by Lambert, he wouldn't understand what the fuck he was saying.

I reckon Lambert would be pretty hard, too.

He'd definitely batter Mancini in a scrap

He'd first bamboozle him with Glasweigan tongue, then nut him. A bit like he should have done in that cup game. I don't think the word bamboozle is used enough in everyday conversation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 02:10:16 PM: Great game on Teletext.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 02:10:16 PM
Great game on Teletext.

I was thinking about that when they switched off whatever it was the other month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 03, 2013, 03:51:10 PM: What about Benayoun on loan? He'd be like a better Holman, surely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villan For Life on January 03, 2013, 04:02:20 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 02:01:49 PM
It would be impossible for Ballotelli to get upset by Lambert, he wouldn't understand what the fuck he was saying.

I reckon Lambert would be pretty hard, too.

He'd definitely batter Mancini in a scrap

Perhaps that's how the premier league should be decided. Whoever has the hardest manager wins. I'm glad we've got Lambert!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on January 03, 2013, 04:02:43 PM: I accept I will be in the minority here and to an extent am biting off nose to spite face but I detest the loan system - especially between two clubs in the same division - and prefer it if we buy our own. I know this can make it harder to compete but I was glad Lambert didn't go down the loan route last summer and like the fact that the stripeyfilths best player actually plays for Chelsea and will be off as soon as they want him (a la Kyle Walker - whereas we get stuck with Jenas). Does anyone know what Lamberts track record with loan signings was at Norwich?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 03, 2013, 04:04:03 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 03, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
What about Benayoun on loan? He'd be like a better Holman, surely.

Couldn't get in Wet Spams team - we need players with more hunger and physical presence imo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 04:04:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 03, 2013, 02:07:35 PM
Balotelli put in a bad tackle on Scott Sinclair which triggered it off- I think Sinclair would be a decent signing for us .

Probably now injured from Balotelli's tackle - so yes, definitely sign him to join the others on the treatment table!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:05:01 PM: I wish Jean Makoun hadn't disappeared into a black hole.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 04:11:25 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
I wish Jean Makoun hadn't disappeared into a black hole.
Where is he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2013, 04:12:49 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
I wish Jean Makoun hadn't disappeared into a black hole.
Where is he?

Calcutta?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 04:13:43 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
I wish Jean Makoun hadn't disappeared into a black hole.
Where is he?

Being stretched to inifinty somewhere near the centre of the galaxy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 04:14:21 PM: He's not on our books anymore?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2013, 04:15:04 PM: He's on loan at Rennes I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 04:16:26 PM: Another £6m down the khazi then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 04:21:27 PM: Pretty much. I think Houllier was a planning a midfield which kept the ball and kept the ball moving which he is suited for (and Cabaye who he was going to buy).
Then McLeish came in and decided that all that possession stuff was hogwash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2013, 04:22:33 PM: Yep essentially. I always thought there was a good player in there and should have been perservered with, but not to be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on January 03, 2013, 04:32:12 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 03, 2013, 04:04:03 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 03, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
What about Benayoun on loan? He'd be like a better Holman, surely.

Couldn't get in Wet Spams team - we need players with more hunger and physical presence imo.

West Ham's midfield is far superior to ours though, Diame, Noble, Nolan, Jarvis would all walk into our team and Collison, Taylor and O'Neill probably would as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 04:40:44 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:16:26 PM
Another £6m down the khazi then.

£6m of Randy's money yes. Sometimes that's forgotten.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:45:06 PM: He's still technically our player as he's out on loan, surely we could look at either recalling him or playing him next season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 03, 2013, 04:46:40 PM: Didn't he have work permit issues? Maybe it was more hastle than the club had time for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 04:47:43 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:16:26 PM
Another £6m down the khazi then.

£6m of Randy's money yes. Sometimes that's forgotten.

I think you'll find it's partly ours as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM: All this talk of Whittingham, Benoyoun or Dorrans is no use to us. They are more small midfielders which we've got plenty of already.

What we need is someone at least 5''10 tall and over 12 stone in weight.

It seems that we have a midfield full of 5''8 skinny guys who pass the ball backwards and cannot tackle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 04:54:12 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2013, 04:15:04 PM
He's on loan at Rennes I think.

Correct. 11 appearances and 1 goal so far for Rennes. I quite liked Makoun - remember his debut at Old Trafford? His passing/ball retention was excellent that night. He never really had much of a chance to show his worth, although he did himself no favours by not learning the English language which compromised his work permit. Can't believe the club didn't clamp down on this - I'm sure Steve Stride would've been wiser on that issue - I presume Faulkner sorted the paperwork?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 04:59:36 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 04:54:12 PM
Correct. 11 appearances and 1 goal so far for Rennes. I quite liked Makoun - remember his debut at Old Trafford? His passing/ball retention was excellent that night.
Yep, played well that night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 05:00:14 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:16:26 PM
Another £6m down the khazi then.

£6m of Randy's money yes. Sometimes that's forgotten.

I think you'll find it's partly ours as well.

But he backed the manager, something's he's accused of not doing from time to time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 03, 2013, 05:01:38 PM: Quote from: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
All this talk of Whittingham, Benoyoun or Dorrans is no use to us. They are more small midfielders which we've got plenty of already.

What we need is someone at least 5''10 tall and over 12 stone in weight.

It seems that we have a midfield full of 5''8 skinny guys who pass the ball backwards and cannot tackle.
That's okay 'cos tackling's been outlawed, right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 05:02:06 PM: Say what you want about Houllier, but he made two really good signings in Bent and Makoun. Exactly what we needed at the time, it's just a shame their time at the club hasn't gone the way we all might have hoped.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 05:03:16 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 04:16:26 PM
Another £6m down the khazi then.

£6m of Randy's money yes. Sometimes that's forgotten.

I think you'll find it's partly ours as well.

But he backed the manager, something's he's accused of not doing from time to time.

fair enough, but our money does come into it as well, all be it in a small way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 05:03:25 PM: Quote from: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
All this talk of Whittingham, Benoyoun or Dorrans is no use to us. They are more small midfielders which we've got plenty of already.

What we need is someone at least 5''10 tall and over 12 stone in weight.

It seems that we have a midfield full of 5''8 skinny guys who pass the ball backwards and cannot tackle.

Shame Gary Gardner got that awful injury to his knee. He's 6'2'' and strongly built - this could've have been a breakthrough season for him. Hope he's back soon - April I think? We've had rotten luck with injuries this season!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM: Not much going on is there..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 03, 2013, 05:12:17 PM: Rodwell is near fitness at City. I think taking him on loan with the promise of getting him back to full fitness, then wait for them to sign someone for a bajillion pounds and sign him permanently in the summer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on January 03, 2013, 05:20:28 PM: I'm only a fan I know, but you'd think given the situation we're in that we'd have had the players we need lined up. Bed them in in the next two games ready for a run of league games, all of which are winnable.

Don't we have proper scouts these days. A centre half, and two 6ft 4 midfielders should have been here 2 days ago.

Keeping the faith is hard these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM: Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on January 03, 2013, 05:26:08 PM: Don't see why midfielders need to be 6ft plus, the problem with our midfielders over recent years has been an inability to pass to a teammate, not a lack of height.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villan on January 03, 2013, 05:27:03 PM: I was hoping for a couple of premier league/championship signings by tomorrow so they wouldn't be cup-tied.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 05:28:07 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

Afraid Chris is right, does take time and we're not privvy to what's going on behind the scenes.
We're going to have to be patient.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 05:31:33 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Is 3 days for having a go for not getting people in a new record? I would imagine getting Ipswich out the way is the first thing on the mind of Lambert giving him a couple of days to look at tansfers before prep for Bradford and Southampton next week.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

Afraid Chris is right, does take time and we're not privvy to what's going on behind the scenes.
We're going to have to be patient.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:33:17 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

We say this at the start of every transfer window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 05:36:33 PM: I was under the impression that while you couldn't sign a player till January, you could still discuss a deal to buy them from their clubs any time you liked. If we're only just enquiring about players now god help us - 31st January here we come
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:37:21 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
I was under the impression that while you couldn't sign a player till January, you could still discuss a deal to buy them from their clubs any time you liked. If we're only just enquiring about players now god help us - 31st January here we come

That's the worry. Let's hope Lambert's got something up his sleeve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:38:34 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

We say this at the start of every transfer window.

Then you think you might have learnt your lesson by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:39:39 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

We say this at the start of every transfer window.

Then you think you might have learnt your lesson by now.

I think we're all used to the disappointment by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2013, 05:41:17 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

We say this at the start of every transfer window.

Then you think you might have learnt your lesson by now.

I think we're all used to the disappointment by now.

We're well used to your disappointment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 05:41:29 PM: Dunno about that.
I was more than happy when we swooped for Bent.
Although that makes it all the more puzzling that people seem happy to get rid of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:42:35 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
I was under the impression that while you couldn't sign a player till January, you could still discuss a deal to buy them from their clubs any time you liked. If we're only just enquiring about players now god help us - 31st January here we come

Clubs don't want to sell unless they are sure of a replacement. The club selling the replacement are in a similar position and so on down the line.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2013, 05:43:38 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
Dunno about that.
I was more than happy when we swooped for Bent.
Although that makes it all the more puzzling that people seem happy to get rid of him.

Very true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 05:45:28 PM: Scottish Daily Record suggesting McLeish is considering ending Alan Hutton's loan spell at Forest and sending him back to Villa Park!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 05:47:09 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
Scottish Daily Record suggesting McLeish is considering ending Alan Hutton's loan spell at Forest and sending him back to Villa Park!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 05:52:12 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 03, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
Scottish Daily Record suggesting McLeish is considering ending Alan Hutton's loan spell at Forest and sending him back to Villa Park!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I assume you're unhappy with the news??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2013, 05:53:36 PM: Alex McLeish said as much in his interview after his first defeat. He wants to concentrate on other areas, and I assume there's a limit on the number of players you can loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2013, 06:00:16 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
Alex McLeish said as much in his interview after his first defeat. He wants to concentrate on other areas, and I assume there's a limit on the number of players you can loan.

I'm surprised then he isn't getting rid of any of the decent players at Forest to make room for his best mate
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 06:07:27 PM: Lowton is a vastly superior player to Hutton. I really hope him, Warnock and Ireland can be shed from the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2013, 06:07:49 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 03, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 03, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
Not much going on is there..

Understatement of the day. I wish Lambo would get a bleedin' move on.

Yes, get yer sodding finger out, we're 3 days into the window.

I am ok with what's seen as lack of action at VP however 3 days or not clubs I am sure clubs do ground work in November and December and sign players quickly as we have seen with Sturridge, Ba and Cole. It's not mandatory to wait till 1 Jan to start. I have no doubt that canny Faulkner has been at it and now dotting i's and crossing t's with a few astute signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2013, 06:09:30 PM: Quote from: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM

It seems that we have a midfield full of 5''8 skinny guys who pass the ball backwards and cannot tackle.
Exactly like Barca ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 06:13:41 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
Lowton is a vastly superior player to Hutton.
I'm a vastly superior player to Hutton, and I have rickets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 06:14:48 PM: You've had Ricketts? I wondered what he was up to these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 03, 2013, 06:17:13 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
Say what you want about Houllier
He loves Liverpool. This started when he was a player at Liverpool Alsop in 1969. He is also something to do with NY Red Bulls. There!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 06:17:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 06:14:48 PM
You've had Ricketts? I wondered what he was up to these days.
Dear old Michael Ricketts.
Made his England debut in the same game as Darius Vassell.

A more spectacular fall from grace you'd be hard pressed to match.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 03, 2013, 06:24:09 PM: Where is old Vaselline these days? Last I heard he was released by Lestuh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on January 03, 2013, 06:24:11 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
I was under the impression that while you couldn't sign a player till January, you could still discuss a deal to buy them from their clubs any time you liked. If we're only just enquiring about players now god help us - 31st January here we come
Not sure about 'any time', but terms were agreed between Liverpool and Chelsea and Sturridge had a medical last week so business can certainly be all but signed before the window opens
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 06:35:06 PM: So a bit of twatter talk about Huddlestone. Would he be a good signing? Him and Stephens be an improvement on our current options if it came off? Huddlestone, Stephens, Sinclair loan maybe. At least there are some tentative links.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 06:48:52 PM: I'm just not sure adding someone with huddlestones injury record to a squad full of injured players is a good idea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2013, 06:52:50 PM: No to Huddlestone from me as well. I don't think he'd make that much of a difference.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 03, 2013, 06:58:31 PM: Huddlestone - Injury prone and a severe lack of mobility, I don't really see the point.

Stephens - Another one for the future, our focus should be on now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 07:27:01 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 03, 2013, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: andyaston on January 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM

It seems that we have a midfield full of 5''8 skinny guys who pass the ball backwards and cannot tackle.
Exactly like Barca ;)
Quote from: aftab235 on January 03, 2013, 06:17:13 PM
Ok lets get Inesta, Xavi and Busquets!
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
Say what you want about Houllier
He loves Liverpool. This started when he was a player at Liverpool Alsop in 1969. He is also something to do with NY Red Bulls. There!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 07:29:01 PM: don't forget to pick up fabregas, messi and dani alves whilst we're at it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2013, 07:29:23 PM: I was reading that Douglas is still at Twente. He only has 6-months left on his contract now so should be pretty cheap.
He's a young CB, big as a house and has plenty of experience for his age however I have no idea whether he is any good or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 08:20:46 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
Alex McLeish said as much in his interview after his first defeat. He wants to concentrate on other areas, and I assume there's a limit on the number of players you can loan.

Fack me, what an idiot he is! He buys him for 4m and saddles us with him on a 4 year contract and now at a lower level where we're still probably paying most of his wages, he dosen't want him!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 08:22:34 PM: Yeah we've been linked with him loads as have Newcastle.

Worth a deal I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 03, 2013, 08:45:55 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 05:36:33 PM
I was under the impression that while you couldn't sign a player till January, you could still discuss a deal to buy them from their clubs any time you liked. If we're only just enquiring about players now god help us - 31st January here we come

Aye. I really hope we are just dotting "I"'s on contracts right now. The notion that before Christmas we are not already in discussions for several midfielders would be worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 03, 2013, 08:53:56 PM: I am too tired to read through 192 pages Has anyone mentioned that Der Hammer is out contract in six months' time?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 03, 2013, 08:54:52 PM: He doesn't convince me. He wasn't that good first time round.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 09:07:42 PM: If Huddlestone can stay injury free and yessum, that's a big if, I'd be all for it.
Not the most mobile but big, strong and a wonderful range of passing.

Douglas is a good shout too. From what I've seen of him he's exactly what we need.
I thought he'd have been a Villa player by now in fact. With our Dutch scouting recently and his suitability.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 03, 2013, 09:12:50 PM: A couple of solid midfielders Barry robson and Wilson palcios. I suggest Scot Barry Robson as short term mls season break loan. Has experience and solid leadership skills. Not expensive but will be up for battle and has a sweet left foot. Also Wilson palacios he of spurs or stoke (not sure if he was on loan at stoke last season or signed) he would add some bite to midfield and loan if poss on our budget.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 03, 2013, 09:14:23 PM: I liked Barry Robson as a player, but he's getting on and he's never played in the Premiership before.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 03, 2013, 09:18:39 PM: I agree that when Tommy and Stefan Beinlich came to us he did not look much to shout about but he did improve. From what I am told he continued to improve when playing in Germany. The Premiership correspondent for Die Zeit comes in our shop on an almost daily basis and he really rated him. I am not suggesting we should sign him. I just like to keep tabs on past players I liked and I very much liked Tommy Hitz, for all his faults.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 03, 2013, 09:21:14 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 03, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
If Huddlestone can stay injury free and yessum, that's a big if, I'd be all for it.
Not the most mobile but big, strong and a wonderful range of passing.

Douglas is a good shout too. From what I've seen of him he's exactly what we need.
I thought he'd have been a Villa player by now in fact. With our Dutch scouting recently and his suitability.

i agree huddlestone has a pass on him - and quite a shot. I also agree he is immobile and we need more mobility in the middle. For me huddelstones would nt be so up for the relegation battle. And robson and palacios would bring more spirit.
Also some box to box midfield would be amazing - no not jermain jeanas unfortuc too injury prone :o however someone who gets into the box and gets back a Ian Taylor/David platt any suggestions? (James milners we wish)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:28:42 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 03, 2013, 09:18:39 PM
I agree that when Tommy and Stefan Beinlich came to us he did not look much to shout about but he did improve. From what I am told he continued to improve when playing in Germany. The Premiership correspondent for Die Zeit comes in our shop on an almost daily basis and he really rated him. I am not suggesting we should sign him. I just like to keep tabs on past players I liked and I very much liked Tommy Hitz, for all his faults.

Wasn't it Breitkreutz who came with Beinlich, rather that Hitzlsperger?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 03, 2013, 09:31:10 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 03, 2013, 09:18:39 PM
I agree that when Tommy and Stefan Beinlich came to us he did not look much to shout about but he did improve. From what I am told he continued to improve when playing in Germany. The Premiership correspondent for Die Zeit comes in our shop on an almost daily basis and he really rated him. I am not suggesting we should sign him. I just like to keep tabs on past players I liked and I very much liked Tommy Hitz, for all his faults.

Wasn't it Breitkreutz who came with Beinlich, rather that Hitzlsperger?

Yep
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 03, 2013, 09:31:45 PM: It was. They were here a good 8 or 9 years before Tommy Hitz.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 03, 2013, 09:33:19 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 03, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
I liked Barry Robson as a player, but he's getting on and he's never played in the Premiership before.

i think a player like robson a Scotland captain would have no problem in the middle for a few matches. I remember season he scored a stunner volley goal in fa cup against newcastle. The getting on means he has footie experience and is a wise head something we need. The more i think about it him and robbie keane and cahill would be welcome loan additions from mls- yeah !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM: Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 09:51:57 PM: Of the midfielders we've been linked to so far the french guy at osasuna is the one that I think fits the bill best, but he's very inexperienced.

A signing like him along with a loan for a more experienced guy would be great.

Douglas - the Dutch office for my Company is in Enschede so most of the staff are Twente fans, when we linked in the summer i asked them about him and they think he's great, good in the air, quick, reads a game well, tackles well, scores goals (good record for a defender at least). He should be near the top of the list for defense if we can get him now for a reasonable price.

For those who like having a viking at the back Vegard Forren from Molde looks likely to be the next big Norwegian defender, has played in the last few internationals and looks a great player, he'd be a top signing but will probably have a lot of options if he wants to leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 03, 2013, 10:08:45 PM: @JamesNursey
will have plenty of #AVFC transfer gossip in next few days on here. Lambert planning a shake up for sure
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2013, 10:14:01 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 03, 2013, 10:08:45 PM
@JamesNursey
will have plenty of #AVFC transfer gossip in next few days on here. Lambert planning a shake up for sure

Boom!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:16:43 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 03, 2013, 10:08:45 PM
@JamesNursey
will have plenty of #AVFC transfer gossip in next few days on here. Lambert planning a shake up for sure

I know he's a slightly serpent-like tabloid journalist, but Nursey used to give Lerner and Villa a horrible time in the press, then one day they had him for lunch with Lerner and Houllier, and ever since that day - and it really was such an overnight change - he's been both positive about the club, and has had a really good accuracy ratio
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2013, 10:20:54 PM: He can't "shake it up" that much. We haven't got the money to sign too many players and I can't see many clubs offering cash for many of our current lot and the wages will prevent us from giving them away. Four in max I reckon and some of them will be untried potential.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:22:30 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2013, 10:20:54 PM
He can't "shake it up" that much. We haven't got the money to sign too many players and I can't see many clubs offering cash for many of our current lot and the wages will prevent us from giving them away. Four in max I reckon and some of them will be untried potential.

It doesn't take huge amounts, though, does it?

We're not going to see 8 or 9 players in, we'll probably see 3 or 4. So long as they're the right players in the right position, that's all we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2013, 10:25:35 PM: Yep 4 players who create a spine to the team is sufficient.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 03, 2013, 10:26:33 PM: Let the Swap deals commence then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 10:27:05 PM: Dunno, I reckon we might see 5, of varying levels of first team suitability.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 10:27:17 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2013, 10:20:54 PM
He can't "shake it up" that much. We haven't got the money to sign too many players and I can't see many clubs offering cash for many of our current lot and the wages will prevent us from giving them away. Four in max I reckon and some of them will be untried potential.

Money for fees isn't, and never was, the problem. Randy has shown enough times that he's willing to reach in his pocket, he just won't do it to cover the operating costs.

The issue is, however, that we registered 25 players in the squad in the summer, now we can assume Hutton and Warnock won't get spots this time but after that who are we going to drop from the squad? That said i think we registered a few 21 year olds who we didn't need to so we can probably just remove those.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SteveN on January 03, 2013, 10:28:03 PM: What's Clarence Seedorf doing nowadays?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:29:37 PM: It's been some time since we had a Fergie cast off so how about Anderson Luís de Abreu Oliveira on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2013, 10:30:22 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.

Was it Beinlich who scored a screamer when we got otherwise battered at somewhere like Newcastle?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 03, 2013, 10:35:49 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.

I remember a reserve game against Liverpool when we put 7 (I think) past them, both the German lads were fantastic from what I can remember.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:36:10 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.

Was it Beinlich who scored a screamer when we got otherwise battered at somewhere like Newcastle?

According to soccerbase, never scored for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:36:53 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.

Was it Beinlich who scored a screamer when we got otherwise battered at somewhere like Newcastle?

According to soccerbase, never scored for us.

Mind you, also according to soccerbase, he only ever played 35 league games anywhere in his whole career, which smells fishy.

And wikipedia suggest he scored for us once, so could be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:38:14 PM: Quote from: SteveN on January 03, 2013, 10:28:03 PM
What's Clarence Seedorf doing nowadays?
Middle East I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:41:46 PM: I found this image of Beinlich on a German web site.

Chrome's translate thing translated the caption of this to "Beinlich. After mullet, before balding", which made me laugh. Gotta love the Germans.

(http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/international/england/0904/Bilder/240/beinlich-240.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 03, 2013, 10:46:19 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:41:46 PM
I found this image of Beinlich on a German web site.

Chrome's translate thing translated the caption of this to "Beinlich. After mullet, before balding", which made me laugh. Gotta love the Germans.

(http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/international/england/0904/Bilder/240/beinlich-240.jpg)

Could he dress anymore like a German?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 10:48:43 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
It's been some time since we had a Fergie cast off so how about Anderson Luís de Abreu Oliveira on loan.

On the face of it, he is exactly the kind of midfielder we need, but I doubt he would come to us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2013, 10:52:30 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 10:41:46 PM
I found this image of Beinlich on a German web site.

Chrome's translate thing translated the caption of this to "Beinlich. After mullet, before balding", which made me laugh. Gotta love the Germans.

(http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/international/england/0904/Bilder/240/beinlich-240.jpg)

That is superb. His socks have even got that washed-with-a-slightly-darker-colour look about them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:56:10 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
It's been some time since we had a Fergie cast off so how about Anderson Luís de Abreu Oliveira on loan.

On the face of it, he is exactly the kind of midfielder we need, but I doubt he would come to us.
I dunno only played 9 league games this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 10:56:57 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Of the midfielders we've been linked to so far the french guy at osasuna is the one that I think fits the bill best, but he's very inexperienced.

A signing like him along with a loan for a more experienced guy would be great.

Douglas - the Dutch office for my Company is in Enschede so most of the staff are Twente fans, when we linked in the summer i asked them about him and they think he's great, good in the air, quick, reads a game well, tackles well, scores goals (good record for a defender at least). He should be near the top of the list for defense if we can get him now for a reasonable price.

For those who like having a viking at the back Vegard Forren from Molde looks likely to be the next big Norwegian defender, has played in the last few internationals and looks a great player, he'd be a top signing but will probably have a lot of options if he wants to leave.

Was reading somewhere that he was granted Dutch citizenship a few months ago and has been called up into the Dutch squad. Agree that he could be a good signing if the price is right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 03, 2013, 10:59:09 PM: Your club needs you! City's Lescott could be on his way to boyhood club Villa
3 Jan 2013 22:31

The England defender grew up supporting the Villans but would have to take a big pay-cut if he agreed to join their fight against relegation

Aston Villa are weighing up a move for Manchester City's out-of-favour defender Joleon Lescott to shore up their leaky defence.

Owner Randy Lerner is set to back manager Paul Lambert this month in a bid to turn around the club's shaky form.

Lerner remains committed to first-year boss Lambert, despite their troubles in the Premier League as a young side battles to find its feet.

Villa are a point off the drop zone after conceding 15 goals without reply in three heavy losses over Christmas.

A point at Swansea on New Year's Day stopped the rot, but Villa realise an experienced central defender is essential this month.

Lescott, a local lad who grew up supporting Villa before playing for Wolves, Everton and now City, is available.

But his large wages are an issue, as Lerner is still seeking to reduce player salaries, and both Everton and Sunderland are also interested in taking the 30-year-old.

The £10million-rated ace will have to take a significant drop and negotiate with the champions for a pay-off to join Villa.

In recent years, both Richard Dunne and Stephen Ireland left City with golden goodbyes to compensate them when they joined Villa.

Despite struggling in the top-flight, Villa have a League Cup semi-final first leg at Bradford next Tuesday.

Overall, Lerner is pleased with Lambert's work reducing the wage bill and nurturing their young academy graduates - he is delighted with the Scot's main summer signing, £7.5m Christian Benteke.

The American is now willing to back Lambert again in this month's window.

An experienced centre-back and a ball-winning midfielder are priorities, while the club are considering a new left-back too, amid concerns over the abilities of Joe Bennett and Eric Lichaj.

Big-earning duo Shay Given and Darren Bent are both available if Villa get good offers, while Nottingham Forest's ex-Villa manager Alex McLeish fancies midfielder Barry Bannan.

But outcast Alan Hutton has now returned to the club following his loan spell at Forest as the clubs negotiate over the percentage of his salary to pay if the Championship club keep him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-joleon-lescott-1516691
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:02:43 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 10:56:57 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 03, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Of the midfielders we've been linked to so far the french guy at osasuna is the one that I think fits the bill best, but he's very inexperienced.

A signing like him along with a loan for a more experienced guy would be great.

Douglas - the Dutch office for my Company is in Enschede so most of the staff are Twente fans, when we linked in the summer i asked them about him and they think he's great, good in the air, quick, reads a game well, tackles well, scores goals (good record for a defender at least). He should be near the top of the list for defense if we can get him now for a reasonable price.

For those who like having a viking at the back Vegard Forren from Molde looks likely to be the next big Norwegian defender, has played in the last few internationals and looks a great player, he'd be a top signing but will probably have a lot of options if he wants to leave.

Was reading somewhere that he was granted Dutch citizenship a few months ago and has been called up into the Dutch squad. Agree that he could be a good signing if the price is right.

The Molde bloke is rumoured to be off to Fulham.

Douglas looked decent in the one game I saw him in.

Lescott would be fecking ace. Big Narnia loving git.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 11:02:54 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 03, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
It's been some time since we had a Fergie cast off so how about Anderson Luís de Abreu Oliveira on loan.

On the face of it, he is exactly the kind of midfielder we need, but I doubt he would come to us.
I dunno only played 9 league games this season.

To be fair they have a lot of quality options and it's not really a terrible reflection on him that he doesn't play a lot of games for them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2013, 11:03:08 PM: Get him, Lambo. Just what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 11:10:14 PM: I like lescott but its the Citeh thing again. Are we gonna get another less than commited player who's made his money and is not particulary bothered how he does for us scenario like Ireland and Dunne?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:14:12 PM: Agreed, Lescott might not be quite good enough for the champions league but he's more than good enough for us.

Can't see him coming here permanently but surely a loan deal isn't out of the question with City still paying a decent percentage of his wages.

I always think if they were willing to loan Adebayor to Spurs (when Spurs had only finished two places below them the previous season) then I think it would be very possible to get one of City's out of favour loan players.

As long as they want to come here of course.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:15:46 PM: Greg, Lescott will want to keep his England place so he needs first team football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:56 PM: Lescott is a Villa fan, so I would be much less concerned about his motivation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 11:18:31 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Lescott is a Villa fan, so I would be much less concerned about his motivation.
What about the fall out regarding his brother.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 03, 2013, 11:19:50 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Lescott is a Villa fan, so I would be much less concerned about his motivation.

Exactly what I was thinking. Plus he'll still have England ambitions, which should also act as motivation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:20:29 PM: Aaron Lescott?

Dunno the ins and outs but surely it was just the case of a player not good enough for the premier league as evidenced by him moving around various clubs in league one (was last at Walsall a few years back, not sure where he is now.)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 03, 2013, 11:22:09 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Greg, Lescott will want to keep his England place so he needs first team football.

He'd be guaranteed that with us and would be a great addition. If it was to be on a loan, perhaps there would be an option to buy him at the end of the season. I just don't want to see another Kyle Walker scenario. If only we could have bought him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 11:24:00 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Greg, Lescott will want to keep his England place so he needs first team football.

As i said, i like Lescott. The loan move you suggested sounds a better option so we can see what his attitude is like because its a big investment for us otherwise for a guy over 30.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karlos96 on January 03, 2013, 11:27:53 PM: I think Lescott would be a great signing, not sure how much can be read into him being a Villa fan he seems to really love scoring against us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 03, 2013, 11:31:05 PM: He's 30 years old. On a massive contract and we would have to give him a 4 year with about £100k a week.

We can do better on a permanent but he would be very useful on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:31:56 PM: Sadly yet again in our position it's a case of needs must. In any case, looking at the majority of signings we've made last summer, short termism isn't something you can say they are!

Certainly I'd be much more confident of not just staying up but moving up the table with a Lescott or Dawson in defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 03, 2013, 11:31:59 PM: Did we ever get all the cash from the Milner/Ireland deal in a similar vein to the Downing deal? They might 'owe us one', so to speak.

I also think Dorrans could be worth a punt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:37:32 PM: I did think of Dorrans but he hasn't stood out that much for WBA since they were promoted tbh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 03, 2013, 11:42:28 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:31:56 PM
Sadly yet again in our position it's a case of needs must. In any case, looking at the majority of signings we've made last summer, short termism isn't something you can say they are!

Certainly I'd be much more confident of not just staying up but moving up the table with a Lescott or Dawson in defence.

He certainly ticks all the boxes in the "experienced player who can help out the kids" stakes. Its just the money. 10m plus that again in wages - I know they paid a lot for him but 10m seems steep for a 30 year old. Loan deal would be good, that way if he works out we can buy him knowing we're still in the premiership
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2013, 11:46:57 PM: What's he earm that. 80K?

I'm sure we could get City paying 50% at least, they were paying most of Adebayor's wages when he was at Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 03, 2013, 11:46:59 PM: In an ideal world a loan with a view to a permanent deal would be great, but if not I'd pay the £10m IF there was a golden goodbye from Man City so we got him for more like £80k per week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:52:27 PM: I think you could get him on 50-60 with City picking up 20 a week for 2 years or something silly like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 03, 2013, 11:54:02 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 03, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
He's still technically our player as he's out on loan, surely we could look at either recalling him or playing him next season?
He's only our player if he's injured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 04, 2013, 12:03:18 AM: I'm sure we could afford Lescott's wages in the long term if a couple of the higher earners are shipped out. He could also cover LB in the case of emergency and would be a great signing inmy opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 12:22:16 AM: well the new sky megabucks super-duper deal kicks in soon. Get him on loan till the summer, and if we're still in the promised land come May. it won't be a problem even for Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 04, 2013, 12:54:43 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 03, 2013, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 03, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
Lescott is a Villa fan, so I would be much less concerned about his motivation.
What about the fall out regarding his brother.

There is none.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 01:10:12 AM: Lescott is exactly what we need. I hope there's something in it. I want some hope to Klingon to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: usav on January 04, 2013, 02:16:26 AM: I'm sure he'd be more than happy to make the Trek home to Villa Park.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Slaphead on January 04, 2013, 02:26:47 AM: I think he will be Borg of being back in Birmingham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 04, 2013, 02:40:04 AM: I wouldn't really want Lescott on a permanent deal TBH. A loan deal would be perfect at this moment in time though. He is just what we need in the short-term. In the long-term, he could well be another high earning 30+ year old who we are lumbered with in a couple of years IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2013, 03:45:51 AM: Lescott would be ideal for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 04, 2013, 03:49:29 AM: I agree from a playing point of view Lescott would be ideal, just what we need, problem is it goes against what the manager is trying to achieve that is young players with a good sell on price, should they be another Benteke. Happy Arry is more likely to take him, he spends other peoples money as if it was other peoples money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 04, 2013, 05:29:42 AM: I'd love us to get in Lescott. I've always thought him to be a bit overrated and the cracks showed at the CL and International levels. It's not his fault how much City paid for him though. But he is a country mile better than anything we have at the back and also the sort of experienced character we need. He know's what it takes to battle at all ends of the table. If it can be done, do it.

Get Keane up front for a while too, someone experienced in midfield and 1 or 2 of Lamberts youth punts from these or foreign shores, and we'll be far better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2013, 07:00:24 AM: Would be a great signing in many respects at least on the short term. Though potentially quite a big downside is that he's left footed. I think he could only play with Vlaar or dunne. That might be the case if either are ever fit again, but I think it'd be better to get someone who can play with either of the youngsters. Also struggle to see that he wouldn't have better options than us or that randy would want to pay the wages. Not sure I can see this happening
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 07:42:54 AM: I think we would have to play the fan card, which he might buy into with the fact he has won things at City and might, might want to play for a bit of love!

He could play with Clark or Baker I am sure. There are plenty of right footed centre half partnerships out there!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 04, 2013, 07:57:19 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 03, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 03, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
Brietkruz had the better reputation, Atkinson used to go on about what a great left foot he had, but it was Paul Calf-a-like Beinlich who went on to play for the national team.

I went to watch their debut for the reserves, and thought Breitkreutz looked fantastic, and Beinlich looked "up for it" at best.

Was it Beinlich who scored a screamer when we got otherwise battered at somewhere like Newcastle?

Beinlich scored a belter against Newcastle for the reserves during a 3-0 win at Villa Park. Brietkruz was playing in midfield too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 08:48:19 AM: Lescott would be ideal and exactly the type of player we need in this team to help it develop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:01:30 AM: Has this been on yet?

Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Molde for Vegard Forren, the highly rated centre back will fly in on Friday for a medical.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2013, 09:01:48 AM: How many left footed partnerships are there? There's something about left footed players. They tend to be very uncomfortable on their wrong side

However I concede I didn't think clark and baker would ever play together in a two. And they did at least once
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:03:55 AM: Bent going on loan to Cardiff? Just idle talk, I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2013, 09:11:43 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:01:30 AM
Has this been on yet?

Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Molde for Vegard Forren, the highly rated centre back will fly in on Friday for a medical.

Where's this from. Would fit the "I've never heard if him" criteria for a lambert signing! The only links I could find we're with Fulham, Everton and practically every club apart from villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 09:14:37 AM: I think Forren is the guy Man U have been sniffing round for a while. ( playing for OGS's side). Certainly highly rated. Where's the story come from DC5?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 09:21:19 AM: Lescott on loan for the rest of the season would be a very good move. I'm not sure about paying £10m for him though at his age if that figure is true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 09:24:15 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
Bent going on loan to Cardiff? Just idle talk, I think.
They would pay the wages,a smallish squad of high earners.Its shit or bust for them this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2013, 09:24:53 AM: OGS was saying forren is discussing terms with someone but didn't say who. Also left footed . .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2013, 09:29:47 AM: Mentioned Forren a couple of pages back having heard a very faint rumour there might be some interest, he'd be a really good signing, looks miles ahead of any other defenders in the norwegian league. Like all Scandinavians he'd probably settle in quickly as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 09:36:08 AM: We'll need two centre backs i think, what with Dunne being out for a while and Baker being a tad injury prone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: junxs on January 04, 2013, 09:53:45 AM: Weren't Man City paying 100% or thereabout of Bellamys wages when he was on loan at Cardiff last year? Cant we fool them into a similar deal for Lescott?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 09:56:41 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:01:30 AM
Has this been on yet?

Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Molde for Vegard Forren, the highly rated centre back will fly in on Friday for a medical.

Where's this from DC5?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:57:32 AM: Quote from: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
I think Forren is the guy Man U have been sniffing round for a while. ( playing for OGS's side). Certainly highly rated. Where's the story come from DC5?
Its in here somewhere - http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/index.html
It was some time yesterday that it was put on there. You have to trawl a bit and ignore all the adverts that are flashing up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM: @AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 10:11:59 AM: #sickofthisalready
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.

Is that not in the title of the thread paulie - I know nothing about the guy and certainly doesn't mean it's true but I dare say 90% of rumours posted on here are bollocks - we shall see .

Just because a link is posted doesnt mean that whoever posts it believes it to be true, as the thread title suggests.

We are all in the dark unless of course Paulie you know 100% bent will not go to Fulham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 04, 2013, 10:15:36 AM: Someone on Twitter has mentioned that Lescott doesn't want to leave Citeh-but I'll happily take everything with a pinch of salt until the end of January
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:16:10 AM: @MatKendrick: Ron Vlaar and Nathan Baker still struggling, as is Ashley Westwood #avfc

@MatKendrick: For those asking for a timeframe on @RonVlaar4 injury lay-off, there has not been one given #avfc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 10:21:37 AM: The thing is anyone could go on Twitter, call themselves VillaMysteryblokey and come out with a 'maybe Bent to Fulham' rumour. He's hardly sticking his neck out is he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:24:03 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 10:21:37 AM
The thing is anyone could go on Twitter, call themselves VillaMysteryblokey and come out with a 'maybe Bent to Fulham' rumour. He's hardly sticking his neck out is he?

True clampy, like I see none of us know who will be joining us or leaving and until its on the official site take it all with a pinch of salt, I'd like to see lescott come in but nursey is hardly the most reliable journalist either.

I tend to have more faith in kendrick than others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 04, 2013, 10:24:33 AM: @MatKendrick: Paul Lambert refuses to rule out a move for Manchester City and England defender and former Four Dwellings pupil Joleon Lescott #avfc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:26:23 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 04, 2013, 10:24:33 AM
@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert refuses to rule out a move for Manchester City and England defender and former Four Dwellings pupil Joleon Lescott #avfc

Could maybe be something in this one then although I believe moyes has also been quoted as being interested.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 10:27:24 AM: We got beat 9-0 one year against Four Dwellings and then they chased us across the fields with sticks.Nice school.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:28:06 AM: BBC Sport's Pat Murphy at the Aston Villa press conference reports that manager Paul Lambert says he has no plans to sell striker Darren Bent this month.

"I don't want to sell anybody and it would be daft to sell him to one of our rivals in the lower part of the table," says Lambert, who added that Bent, who resumes training today, will be back in contention once he has recovered from his hamstring injury, and he also plans to rest Christian Benteke soon.

However, Lambert wouldn't be drawn on speculation linking Villa with Joleon Lescott & Robbie Keane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 04, 2013, 10:36:33 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.

Is that not in the title of the thread paulie - I know nothing about the guy and certainly doesn't mean it's true but I dare say 90% of rumours posted on here are bollocks - we shall see .

Just because a link is posted doesnt mean that whoever posts it believes it to be true, as the thread title suggests.

We are all in the dark unless of course Paulie you know 100% bent will not go to Fulham.

Besides, AVFCMysteryMan is so last summer.

Villa_Source is where the real ITK is now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 10:36:58 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 10:27:24 AM
We got beat 9-0 one year against Four Dwellings and then they chased us across the fields with sticks.Nice school.

Would that be when villajk went there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:41:26 AM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 04, 2013, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.

Is that not in the title of the thread paulie - I know nothing about the guy and certainly doesn't mean it's true but I dare say 90% of rumours posted on here are bollocks - we shall see .

Just because a link is posted doesnt mean that whoever posts it believes it to be true, as the thread title suggests.

We are all in the dark unless of course Paulie you know 100% bent will not go to Fulham.

Besides, AVFCMysteryMan is so last summer.

Villa_Source is where the real ITK is now.

I prefer the glorious legend that is dc5 myself, a man with his fingers in so many pies that Pauline must be continuously baking!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 04, 2013, 10:41:55 AM: @JamesNursey: @MirrorFootball #AVFC Lambert said today #MCFC Lescott a "top player", admits money will decide if poss but says age no barrier if hungry
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 04, 2013, 10:50:34 AM: Looks like there is something in the Lescott link, then. Fingers crossed for that one, I think he'd be a great signing for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 10:51:24 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 04, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
@JamesNursey: @MirrorFootball #AVFC Lambert said today #MCFC Lescott a "top player", admits money will decide if poss but says age no barrier if hungry

Promising, as it appears he realises that you need experience as well. Lescott would be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 10:54:14 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 04, 2013, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.

Is that not in the title of the thread paulie - I know nothing about the guy and certainly doesn't mean it's true but I dare say 90% of rumours posted on here are bollocks - we shall see .

Just because a link is posted doesnt mean that whoever posts it believes it to be true, as the thread title suggests.

We are all in the dark unless of course Paulie you know 100% bent will not go to Fulham.

Besides, AVFCMysteryMan is so last summer.

Villa_Source is where the real ITK is now.

I prefer the glorious legend that is dc5 myself, a man with his fingers in so many pies that Pauline must be continuously baking!

Your ITK from across the pond won't like that Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 11:02:59 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: LamboAlways on January 04, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
@JamesNursey: @MirrorFootball #AVFC Lambert said today #MCFC Lescott a "top player", admits money will decide if poss but says age no barrier if hungry

Promising, as it appears he realises that you need experience as well. Lescott would be ideal.
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 10:27:24 AM
We got beat 9-0 one year against Four Dwellings and then they chased us across the fields with sticks.Nice school.

Would that be when villajk went there?
84-85 we thought we could take them back at our place.They brought a coachload with them.We lost at home 0-6.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:05:11 AM: Uncle Harry has confirmed his interest in tim Cahill and Robbie Keane .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM: DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 11:06:42 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........

Hmmmmm indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:06:49 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........

Who is DM? Dodgy man?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 11:07:40 AM: Let's stop all this fcuking around and get Lescott in. He comes, others will follow. I'm sure RL realises just how much relegation would cost us this season of all years and let's face it we are in the shit. Time for big balls.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:07:52 AM: daily mail
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 11:08:09 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........

Who is DM?

Danger Mouse?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 11:08:23 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........

Jenas? No way in a million years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 11:08:42 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
I think Forren is the guy Man U have been sniffing round for a while. ( playing for OGS's side). Certainly highly rated. Where's the story come from DC5?
Its in here somewhere - http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/index.html
It was some time yesterday that it was put on there. You have to trawl a bit and ignore all the adverts that are flashing up.

Ok ta. Shame, I've heard good things about him and at 24 he'd not be too far off being a starter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:08:54 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
daily mail

Ha, wasnt sure if you meant mail or mirror.

Always had you down a times or a guardian man Greg.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 11:13:00 AM: More like the Beano.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:15:13 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
daily mail

Ha, wasnt sure if you meant mail or mirror.

Always had you down a times or a guardian man Greg.

Don't buy papers. certainly not the Daily mail. Or the Guardian for that matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:17:02 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
daily mail

Ha, wasnt sure if you meant mail or mirror.

Always had you down a times or a guardian man Greg.

Don't buy papers. certainly not the Daily mail. Or the Guardian for that matter.

Me neither, can read them online for free these days.

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia and Bent are all training but unlikely to play tomorrow-
@thegoalzone: Lambert also added that they don't HAVE to sell anyone including Darren bent

@thegoalzone: Lambert would not be pushed on Lescott and would not say yes or no but did say that they are talking internally about lots of signings
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 11:17:45 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:13:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 04, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 10:05:16 AM
@AvfcMysteryman: But I would keep your eyes on #Fulham as Bent's agents have spoken #AVFC as of now it looks like Bent is off to Fulham #thingscanchange

@AvfcMysteryman: #AVFC Bent will NOT be sold to #QPR

Isn't that yet-another-complete-bullshit twatter idiot who spouts complete and utter bollocks?

To everyone except eastie, yes.

Is that not in the title of the thread paulie - I know nothing about the guy and certainly doesn't mean it's true but I dare say 90% of rumours posted on here are bollocks - we shall see .

Just because a link is posted doesnt mean that whoever posts it believes it to be true, as the thread title suggests.

We are all in the dark unless of course Paulie you know 100% bent will not go to Fulham.

I tend to not bother posting utter crud off twitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:18:33 AM: I doubt the Daily Mail know what our budget is. I could see us spending about £12-15 million and one loan player as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:20:31 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:18:33 AM
I doubt the Daily Mail know what our budget is. I could see us spending about £12-15 million and one loan player as well.

Aye. Just posted it because there was a few new names along with the usual suspects
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 11:20:32 AM: Quote from: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 11:07:40 AM
Let's stop all this fcuking around and get Lescott in. He comes, others will follow. I'm sure RL realises just how much relegation would cost us this season of all years and let's face it we are in the shit. Time for big balls.

Exactly what 'fucking around' have we been doing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 04, 2013, 11:32:55 AM: Quote from: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 11:07:40 AM
Let's stop all this fcuking around and get Lescott in. He comes, others will follow. I'm sure RL realises just how much relegation would cost us this season of all years and let's face it we are in the shit. Time for big balls.

If only it was that easy.

Does he want to come to B6?
Would Mancini let him with players away in the African Cup?
Will Villa meet his wage expectations?
What other clubs would be interested if he was available?

Many questions and a lot to fall into place for him to come to VP. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 04, 2013, 11:34:28 AM: If Lescott comes in and works with Vlaar/Dunne we might stop conceding 17 goals in four games. It will breed confidence from the back and we might push ourselves out of this relegation quagmire (giggidy giggidy). We need two experienced center backs to help us out of this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 11:35:16 AM: Mancini says lescott will NOT be leaving the club this month , due to injuries and African cup he will not be going anywhere..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 04, 2013, 11:43:52 AM: I think Forren is in talks with a club over a £4m deal, believed to be Fulham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: magic monks on January 04, 2013, 12:14:51 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 11:07:40 AM
Let's stop all this fcuking around and get Lescott in. He comes, others will follow. I'm sure RL realises just how much relegation would cost us this season of all years and let's face it we are in the shit. Time for big balls.

Exactly what 'fucking around' have we been doing?

My brother drives me mad saying things like this every 10 mins in January, like it's all in Villa's hands and they only need to pick the phone up and pay the money to bring Player X in.

I would love to see Lescott come to Villa, however with Kolo Toure going to the ACN and Kompany recently injured, it's hard to see Mancini's words being bluff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 04, 2013, 12:15:27 PM: Regarding Richard Dunne, I've seen bits on various news sites linking him with a move away.

Although not the greatest defender and prone to the 'odd' costly mistake in games I still think he could do a job for us, his experience could prove vital in the months ahead. I can't see us getting any real fee for him with his contract expiring in 6 months, therefore surely worth hanging onto and used to help bring the younger players through, obviously assuming his attitude, which I understand has been questionable in the past, is right.

Unless of course, PL has plans in that department...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 04, 2013, 12:16:40 PM: I'd love Lescott to come.

Although he is responsible for my Grandad dropping the 'C' bomb for the first time in his life a few years ago when he thought he had equalised in the last minute in THAT game at Goodison. What happened next, Legion?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2013, 12:16:48 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 04, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
DM reckons today we have 6m(!) to spend. Targets

Strikers: Graham (Swansea), Austin (Burnley
Midfield Parker, Jenas (Tottenham) Pritchard (charlton) Murphy (Crewe), Loe (Osasuna) Kvist (Stutgart), Karaboue (Nancy)
Defence: Ba (Porto

Hmmmmm...........

I think Jenas' boat may have sailed, and knowing him it would have struck the rocks and sank.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2013, 12:20:34 PM: Given Jenas' luck with injuries he probably hit the same rocks in the lifeboat as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 12:31:07 PM: Quote from: æv on January 04, 2013, 11:43:52 AM
I think Forren is in talks with a club over a £4m deal, believed to be Fulham.

Its funny how Fulham have something to do with so many rumours. It always used to be Forest, Newcastle and Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 04, 2013, 12:32:50 PM: I'd still like to know why Redknapp is allowed to say 'Caaannnnt' in his press conferences.
They never bleep it out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 12:46:50 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 04, 2013, 12:32:50 PM
I'd still like to know why Redknapp is allowed to say 'Caaannnnt' in his press conferences.
They never bleep it out.

Makes me laugh how reporters read a long list of targets to him and there never seems to be one he says he doesn't like - 'triffic player , yeh I like him a lot'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lambert and Payne on January 04, 2013, 12:53:51 PM: http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/clarke-clarifies-dorrans-situation-578259.aspx

Wouldn't mind Graham Dorrans if I'm honest...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2013, 01:05:11 PM: A centre half partnership of Vlaar and Lescott would allow Clark and Baker to develop properly. It provides proper transition in that Vlaar, being a couple of years younger could continue as Lescott fades and allows his successor to continue with Vlaar. Either way, he'd be a very solid addition and especially at PL level. Not convinced about him as an international but quite frankly I don't really rate any of England's players against the top nations. He'd provide leadership, inspiration and experience, three components that we are missing right now. As for Keane, he's a no brainer to me. For a few weeks he'd give us exactly what he gave last year. A spark, and something dynamic even if he came off the bench. He's a good role model for the kids and he's always capable of scoring goals.

More than anything we just need to settle things down and hopefully by Jan 31st we've got some experience in, and some other bodies back. It will take pressure of the kids and allow them to breathe as opposed to what must feel like them going a 100 mph right now. We'll be fine with the right additions this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 04, 2013, 01:37:38 PM: villa talk has crashed, either somebody has uploaded a picture of boobs or there has been a transfer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 04, 2013, 01:46:13 PM: Lescott for me would be a decent addition and replacement for Dunne for a couple of seasons

Scotty Parker would also be a good addition in midfield, even if only on loan until the end of the season - can see him going to QPR tho
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 01:53:37 PM: Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has ruled out selling England defender Joleon Lescott during the January transfer window.

Lescott has been linked with a move after being limited to just seven Premier League starts for the defending champions this season.

The 30-year-old has slipped to fourth choice under Mancini, behind Vincent Kompany, Matija Nastasic and Kolo Toure despite being a regular in the England squad.

There have been reports Lescott's former club Everton, who reluctantly sold the player to City for £22 million in August 2009, would be interested in re-signing him when the window opens on New Year's Day.

But Mancini appeared to rule out Lescott leaving after claiming he could not afford to sell any players in January because of injuries and the absence of three players at the African Cup of Nations.

Ivory Coast trio Kolo Toure, his brother Yaya and Abdul Razak are due to leave for the tournament, which begins in South Africa on January, 19 after City's home game with Stoke on Tuesday.

In addition, the likes of defenders Maicon and Micah Richards remain sidelined along with midfielder Jack Rodwell.

And despite having one of the biggest and most expensive Premier League squads at his disposal, Mancini claims he cannot afford to allow Lescott, or anyone else, leave before the end of the season.

"We can't sell players. We don't have enough players to play if we sell players," said Mancini at a press conference in Manchester on Monday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 02:13:14 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 04, 2013, 01:37:38 PM
villa talk has crashed, either somebody has uploaded a picture of boobs or there has been a transfer

My money's on the former
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 04, 2013, 02:21:37 PM: I remember H&V crashing when Weimann scored his second against Norwich in the quarter finals. Good times! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 02:29:32 PM: Quote from: Mancini on January 04, 2013, 01:53:37 PM
"We can't sell players. We don't have enough players to play if we sell players,"

Didn't he have a pop at not being able to bring in enough during the summer? Perhaps the money men there want Lescott off the books and this is a message to them in terms of replacing whoever may go in Jan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:32:33 PM: @MatKendrick: I personally think Joleon Lescott would be a very good addition for Villa, but right now I can't see #avfc or #mcfc making it happen

Maybe worth revisiting in the summer if we can't pull off a deal this month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 02:37:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
@MatKendrick: I personally think Joleon Lescott would be a very good addition for Villa, but right now I can't see #avfc or #mcfc making it happen

Maybe worth revisiting in the summer if we can't pull off a deal this month.

We need someone now, so can't wait until the summer, IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:39:31 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
@MatKendrick: I personally think Joleon Lescott would be a very good addition for Villa, but right now I can't see #avfc or #mcfc making it happen

Maybe worth revisiting in the summer if we can't pull off a deal this month.

We need someone now, so can't wait until the summer, IMO.
Quote from: Concrete John on January 04, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
@MatKendrick: I personally think Joleon Lescott would be a very good addition for Villa, but right now I can't see #avfc or #mcfc making it happen

Maybe worth revisiting in the summer if we can't pull off a deal this month.

We need someone now, so can't wait until the summer, IMO.

Maybe a loan deal to tide us over for the rest of the season ? Although I'm sure lambert will have other defensive options to target .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Situation on January 04, 2013, 02:45:04 PM: Would love it if could sign Lescott. If we can't get him in January then maybe summer if available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2013, 02:56:19 PM: Lescott would be perfect for Villa. Let's hope Mancini is bluffing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 02:59:13 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
Lescott would be perfect for Villa. Let's hope Mancini is bluffing.

I don't think he's bluffing regarding being short of defensive cover but of course he has the money at his disposal to go out and buy more defenders , which may free up lescotts departure but will we be prepared to wait and see or look elsewhere?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 03:11:05 PM: Martin Jol says Fulham are not the premiership club in talks with Vegard Forren. Makes it a one in 19 chance of being us then.

Mind you, it's unlikely Sunderland are in for him either, O'Neill shies away from anyone with a Forren-sounding name.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 04, 2013, 03:16:25 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Martin Jol says Fulham are not the premiership club in talks with Vegard Forren. Makes it a one in 19 chance of being us then.

Mind you, it's unlikely Sunderland are in for him either, O'Neill shies away from anyone with a Forren-sounding name.

(http://iforce.co.nz/i/0gi03qyg.ydq.gif)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 03:19:31 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Martin Jol says Fulham are not the premiership club in talks with Vegard Forren. Makes it a one in 19 chance of being us then.

Mind you, it's unlikely Sunderland are in for him either, O'Neill shies away from anyone with a Forren-sounding name.

NORWAY international Vegard Forren could soon be on his way to the Premier League, after his club confirmed they are in "final talks" over a transfer.

The 24-year-old has been heavily-linked with a January move to both Manchester United and Everton.

And the Molde star did not travel to South Africa with his international team-mates, ahead of his country's friendly clash with the 2010 World Cup hosts next week.

"Vegard did not travel because we are in final talks with a club," said Molde boss and former United striker Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

"The possibility exists that Vergard must travel for a medical and to negotiate a contract."

But Solskjær gave away no clues as to Forren's imminent destination.

"Nothing is finalised yet, so I will not comment on the club any closer now. But it is very close to happening."

Forren has previously said he is keen to move to either Germany or England.

He rejected an offer from Belgian side FC Bruges in December 2011.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 04, 2013, 03:22:55 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 04, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Martin Jol says Fulham are not the premiership club in talks with Vegard Forren. Makes it a one in 19 chance of being us then.

Mind you, it's unlikely Sunderland are in for him either, O'Neill shies away from anyone with a Forren-sounding name.

It's way too early in the month for MON to enter the market. He might enter it on the 31st January!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2013, 03:34:01 PM: The fact that we don't know Forren's destination at least rules out 1 or 2 clubs, for example QPR cause old Droopy would have at least denied they were going to sign him if not that he'd never heard of him, can't see it being City as he won't be on £100k+ a week, he's not British which rules out Sunderland and probably Liverpool, so if it's not Fulham then it's more like 1 in 15...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 04, 2013, 03:37:31 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 04, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
Given Jenas' luck with injuries he probably hit the same rocks in the lifeboat as well.

Jenas = Legion
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM: i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 03:59:57 PM: Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.
I am having a long hard look in the mirror.What am I looking for again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 04, 2013, 04:02:04 PM: Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

So the Lescott rumours really are pants?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on January 04, 2013, 04:13:07 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on January 04, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

So the Lescott rumours really are pants?

Very good Bren'd.

Can't anyone run a business, with a partner,from 80 miles away these days then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 04:16:56 PM: Quote from: lambdrew08 on January 04, 2013, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on January 04, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

So the Lescott rumours really are pants?

Very good Bren'd.

Can't anyone run a business, with a partner,from 80 miles away these days then?

Oh well that's that then. Does he have to work on the stall on Saturdays then?

I've never heard anything like it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 04, 2013, 04:17:14 PM: Blimey, imagine the logistics of trying to run a business based in Manchester if you were having to work in Birmingham. Simply can't be done. Perhaps the reason he misses so many games for City is that he can't afford to take the time off ? Saturdays in particular must be busy I imagine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 04:18:45 PM: Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.

The first thing is the reason, especially with Kolo disappearing to the ANC for the month. The clothing company wouldn't have been an issue as he is no further then an hour away from Manchester.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2013, 04:19:24 PM: Surely to god nobody would be stupid enough to take a chance on Jenas ever again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 04:20:37 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 04, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Surely to god nobody would be stupid enough to take a chance on Jenas ever again?

You'd think not wouldn't you? (worried smiley thing)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 04, 2013, 04:22:53 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 04, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Surely to god nobody would be stupid enough to take a chance on Jenas ever again?

You'd think not wouldn't you? (worried smiley thing)

Press bollox. He's managed 2 games in the Championship so far this season and is surplus to requirements at Spuds, he was on loan to our physio room last year, move along nothing to see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2013, 04:24:08 PM: I think Jenas only played a couple of times on loan at Forest didn't he? Injuries have got the better of his career I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 04:25:34 PM: Can we have some positive news before I log off please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2013, 04:31:16 PM: Looking at Juan Francisco Garcia. Supposedly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2013, 04:33:21 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Can we have some positive news before I log off please?

It's Friday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: davisa on January 04, 2013, 04:33:57 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.

The first thing is the reason, especially with Kolo disappearing to the ANC for the month. The clothing company wouldn't have been an issue as he is no further then an hour away from Manchester.

Fuckin'ell have a bite! I said the clothing company is just another reason for him to stay, i'm just taking everything into consideration i don't expect him to come out on SSN and say: 'I will not be joining Aston Villa on the Basis i have a clothing range up north.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: davisa on January 04, 2013, 04:34:46 PM: Sorry, quoted the wrong person there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 04, 2013, 04:40:24 PM: Well with Shawcross and Jagielka signing deals it makes sense we move for lescott:o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 05:00:27 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
Looking at Juan Francisco Garcia. Supposedly.

Who's he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 04, 2013, 05:05:50 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
Looking at Juan Francisco Garcia. Supposedly.

Who's he?

Nobody knows but they will all go on about him because he is foreign.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 04, 2013, 05:11:34 PM: uan Francisco García García, aka Juanfran, is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Levante UD as a left defender. Wikipedia
Born: July 15, 1976 (age 36), Valencia
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 78 kg
Team: Levante UD (#12 / Defender)
Position: Defender
?????
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 04, 2013, 05:11:54 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 04, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
Surely to god nobody would be stupid enough to take a chance on Jenas ever again?
May be one of the NHS Trusts for training student doctors specialising in fixing brittle bones?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 04, 2013, 05:13:28 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
Looking at Juan Francisco Garcia. Supposedly.

Who's he?

dont know, but he sounds just the sort of player we need
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 04, 2013, 05:13:54 PM: Is it this guy?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Francisco_Garc%C3%ADa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adamski villa on January 04, 2013, 05:15:12 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 04, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
uan Francisco García García, aka Juanfran, is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Levante UD as a left defender. Wikipedia
Born: July 15, 1976 (age 36), Valencia
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 78 kg
Team: Levante UD (#12 / Defender)
Position: Defender
?????

are you sure ??

or is it

Juan Francisco García Peña (born 1 October 1989 in Fuengirola, Málaga, Andalusia), aka Juanfri, is a Spanish footballer who plays for Écija Balompié as a striker.

[edit] Football career

Juanfri made his senior debuts at the age of just 16, playing with local Unión Deportiva Fuengirola de Los Boliches in the fourth division, and scoring a hat-trick in the side's 9–0 win against Úbeda CF. In 2008–09 he moved to another modest side in Andalusia, Unión Estepona CF, partnering former Málaga CF legend Catanha up front, and both were instrumental as the club first promoted to the third level.

In the 2009 summer Juanfri signed with Málaga, being assigned to the reserve squad in division four. He made his first-team debut on 7 January 2010, in a 2–1 Copa del Rey home win against Getafe CF.

i dont know either
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 05:19:09 PM: If we're going for Juan Francisco.
Be sure to wear a flower in our hair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 04, 2013, 05:21:05 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 05:19:09 PM
If we're going for Juan Francisco.
Be sure to wear a flower in our hair.

Very good sir.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2013, 05:26:37 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 05:19:09 PM
If we're going for Juan Francisco.
Be sure to wear a flower in our hair.

Taking it a stage further....

Be nice if Prince William was ever at a match, if the new player could give a bouquet to Kate Middleton.

So if we're going to buy Juan Francisco, he could give some flowers to the heir.

Or if Richard Dunne went out for a sneaky pint with him, and needed a slash, he could leave his Harp with Juan Francisco.

Sorry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 04, 2013, 05:38:37 PM: Played for Valencia and Spain for a few years.

Played in a World Cup and Champions League.

Of course no one knows who he is outside of Football Manager though, *winky*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 06:04:22 PM: @JohnGregory77: #AVFC ...Story doing the rounds Distin to QPR J.Lescott to EFC..???

@JamesNursey: Expecting Lerner to be at #AVFC a lot more this month with transfers etc. Gather he's due to attend Bradford semi-final 2nd leg
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM: Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2013, 06:25:22 PM: Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.

The first thing is the reason, especially with Kolo disappearing to the ANC for the month. The clothing company wouldn't have been an issue as he is no further then an hour away from Manchester.

Fuckin'ell have a bite! I said the clothing company is just another reason for him to stay, i'm just taking everything into consideration i don't expect him to come out on SSN and say: 'I will not be joining Aston Villa on the Basis i have a clothing range up north.'

It just sounds like you think he's going to be there on the shop floor, like Mike Baldwin at Baldwin's Casuals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: D.boy on January 04, 2013, 06:27:01 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Wow, you have 2 cocks!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:27:58 PM: Quote from: D.boy on January 04, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Wow, you have 2 cocks!
Well somebody has to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 06:28:11 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!

He's not the best journalist a going is he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:30:15 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!

He's not the best journalist a going is he?
It's like'shit haven't twitted an a hour make something obvious up and quick'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 06:32:02 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: D.boy on January 04, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Wow, you have 2 cocks!
Well somebody has to.

You need the 3 breasted girl in total recall then.

Nursey was pretty decent in the summer regarding Villa. He has some decent access these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2013, 06:33:44 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 04, 2013, 05:26:37 PM
Or if Richard Dunne went out for a sneaky pint with him, and needed a slash, he could leave his Harp with Juan Francisco.

Sorry.

Bravo. *Throws flowers on the stage*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 04, 2013, 06:34:53 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: D.boy on January 04, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Wow, you have 2 cocks!
Well somebody has to.

You need the 3 breasted girl in total recall then.

Nursey was pretty decent in the summer regarding Villa. He has some decent access these days.

"Decent access"? That would be 4 vaginas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2013, 06:35:50 PM: Some previous transfer amounts (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:36:35 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: D.boy on January 04, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Nursey really is coming out with some bullshit.We may have transfers,Randy is due to attend the second leg.I am that excited I am off for a 2 handed wank!
Wow, you have 2 cocks!
Well somebody has to.

You need the 3 breasted girl in total recall then.

Nursey was pretty decent in the summer regarding Villa. He has some decent access these days.
Speculating nothing more I could do that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 07:30:42 PM: By James Nursey | 04/01/13

I think it is fairly safe to say Paul Lambert had a wretched Christmas.

Much of the pre-season optimism at Villa under their new manager has been eroded by the harsh realities of the Premier League which hit this bleak mid-winter.

But thrashings against Chelsea 8-0, Spurs 4-0 and Wigan 3-0 may yet have some positive effect at Villa Park.

Fortunately for the club they happened in the run-up to the transfer window opening.

And owner Randy Lerner is definitely willing to do something about them to help Lambert, who he likes and rates.

For I hear both Lambert and Lerner now accepted their young side, dictated partly by the club's drive to reduce their wage bill, needs some proven Premier League experience.

It is a contrast from the summer when the likes of Ron Vlaar, Karim El Ahmadi, Ashley Westwood, Matthew Lowton, Jordan Bowery and Joe Bennett were brought in either from abroad or the lower leagues.

But I understand in the recent face-to-face meetings Lambert and Lerner had after the Wigan game, the pair were in agreement more top-flight experience and nous is urgently needed.

An experienced centre-back is their priority and Manchester City's Joleon Lescott is being talked about.

A ball-winning midfielder in the centre of the park is also a must.

And I expect Lerner to write a big cheque or two for Lambert to help his manager out.

How much Villa spend on how many players will ultimately be determined by how many of their highest-earners leave like Shay Given, Darren Bent, Stephen Warnock and Alan Hutton.

The quartet are all available for transfer providing acceptable offers are received.

But Lerner will back Lambert regardless as he appreciates what the Scot is doing to reduce their bloated wage bill.

And I really think it is fortunate Villa got their wake-up call before the transfer window opened and they can do something about it.

No-one inside the club is suggesting Lambert is axed - that would be madness after all the upheaval at the club in recent years.

Indeed, both staff and players can look forward to their League Cup semi-final first leg against League One Bradford next week.

A Wembley trip is within tantalising reach.

But of course Premier League survival is the most important aim and QPR's shock victory over Chelsea has shaken up the relegation battle even more.

Villa now face some crunch games in January.

But I reckon help could soon be on its way and a couple of key signings will make all the difference as the spirit and effort is evident in the Villa side as they showed at Swansea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 04, 2013, 07:37:23 PM: He loves a free flag does our Randy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 04, 2013, 07:51:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 06:04:22 PM

@JamesNursey: Expecting Lerner to be at #AVFC a lot more this month with transfers etc. Gather he's due to attend Bradford semi-final 2nd leg

Fucking Glory Hunter!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 04, 2013, 07:54:20 PM: ITK Tweet saying Mike Oxard.

Have no idea who he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Cjamesk on January 04, 2013, 07:56:47 PM: Quote from: davisa on January 04, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
i think anyone who seriously thinks Joleon Lescott will agree to come to us needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. If one centre half gets injured at Man City he finds himself involved in yet another title race, who's going to swap that for a relegation battle at a club who have done nothing but slate him with quite an evil song every time he's played against us during his career?

He runs his own Clothing range with fellow footballer and friend Jordan Stewart, which is run from Manchester, another reason not to come.

I'm sorry, but the Dempsey deal in the summer was more realistic than this. BUT - I hope i'm wrong.

My other half helped them start their first seasons clothing range I may add one print that they didn't like was awesome, but anyhow I too would like to see him at VP but I'm not sure it's a goer, then again stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 04, 2013, 07:59:05 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 04, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
ITK Tweet saying Mike Oxard.

Have no idea who he is.

I bet he'll be popular with the ladies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 08:12:31 PM: [/quote]
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 04, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
ITK Tweet saying Mike Oxard.

Have no idea who he is.

He formed a cracking partnership with mike hunt .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 04, 2013, 08:18:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 04, 2013, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 04, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
ITK Tweet saying Mike Oxard.

Have no idea who he is.

He formed a cracking partnership with mike hunt .
Take it easy, eastie: 4 vaginas and your 'hunt' in one page may be a bit too much for some.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 08:34:16 PM: PAUL LAMBERT wants Joleon Lescott to plug Aston Villa’s disastrous defence.
Lescott is heading for the Manchester City exit door with Roberto Mancini open to offers of just £8million.
Villa are in big trouble having conceded an astonishing 17 goals in the past four games.
And Lambert reckons Lescott, 30, can help save Villa’s season.
The Scot said: “He has been a top player and still is.
“He’s a top, top player. He’s not getting a game at Manchester City at the minute.
“As I’ve said before, I will sit with the rest of the staff and see what I can do.
“But I don’t think you can ever dismiss it any level whenever you are talking about a top player.
Lambert insists he is not put off by Lescott’s age — and admits he is ready to shop around for the top-flight’s golden oldies.
He added: “There are names we’re trying to do.
“I think everyone has said it’s a really tough window in January.
“We won’t just get people in for the sake of getting them in — there is ridiculous money and that sort of thing.
“That’s not something I’ll do but there’s one or two that we will try to.
“People go on about age and all that.
“If players want to do it and are hungry then we’re open to that. I’ll just see, I’ll wait and see.”

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4726264/Joleon-Lescott-a-target-for-Aston-Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dan England on January 04, 2013, 08:43:15 PM: Pat Murphy has been twittering on that the Lescott deal is an absolute Dodo. Not sure if it is the usual Murphy sour grapes or genuine insight. Either way I would disappointed if he doesn't come due to the fact i think it is the first time in my life I've been excited by signing a defender!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 08:45:39 PM: If we did get Lescott, we would be a danger from corners again. Benteke and Lescott together would be a handful for any defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 04, 2013, 08:45:40 PM: Doesn't sound too hopeful

@patmurphybbc: Understand no chance of Joleon Lescott joining @AVFCOfficial this month.Believe he hasn't been discussed by Lambert & Lerner,who would 1/2

@patmurphybbc: 2/2 prefer permanent deals rather than loans
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 08:49:18 PM: Talking of Birmingham born defenders at Citeh, where is Micah Richards? Can play CH or RB and is a threat at corners.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2013, 08:52:34 PM: Very good player. He's injured I believe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2013, 08:59:39 PM: Pat Murphy is an absolute bell end, what the fuck would he know
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM: We won't get Lescott.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2013, 09:08:04 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
Talking of Birmingham born defenders at Citeh, where is Micah Richards? Can play CH or RB and is a threat at corners.

Seems to be injured more than he's fit the last 2 or 3 years. Shame as I think he's a cracking player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 04, 2013, 09:13:33 PM: James Nursey was just interviewed on TS. Interesting! He has been at BH today and reports that the move for Lescott is on. Stories of Mancini blocking Lescott's possible move to Villa he thinks are kidology, pointing out that Mancini hasn't played Lescott, so may be making noises more for the benefit of the MC owners, ie, to get a good price for him.

Difference in pay at the respective clubs - not a barrier to the move given deals in the past for Dunne and Ireland.

He was asked about why PL had frozen out Bent and after some ums and ahhs and clear unwillingness to answer the question, went into ecstasy about Benteke being so much better (makes his own goals and plays more with the team) as a player. Would PL sell? No interest in Bent so far from anybody as far as he knows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Deano58 on January 04, 2013, 09:13:59 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 04, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
Talking of Birmingham born defenders at Citeh, where is Micah Richards? Can play CH or RB and is a threat at corners.

He's been injured since playing for team GB inthe summer. he's played a couple of games since but broke down again and isn't likely to be back until february. We've missed him as an option because he can be a bit of a beast going forward.

As for Lescott. I hope we don't sell him. He was an integral part of the meanest defence in the PL last year and has let no-one down when called upon this season. Not quite sure why Mancini and some fans appear to have a downer on him but his replacement Nastasic does look good.

We got a lot of stick for the amount we paid for Lescott but he was worth every penny and, if we do sell, and you can get him he'd be well worth £7-8m although, on past performance, we'd probably knock him out on a free.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:21:02 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
We won't get Lescott.

He will not come for various reasons, some financial, some professional and some unsavoury (apparantly)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 09:26:16 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
We won't get Lescott.

He will not come for various reasons, some financial, some professional and some unsavoury (apparantly)
I believe he likes his kneecaps where they are (apparently).What I don't get about that rumour is Manchester is only 80 miles away.He wouldn't be that hard to find.He has a shop for fucks sake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:35:03 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
We won't get Lescott.

He will not come for various reasons, some financial, some professional and some unsavoury (apparantly)
I believe he likes his kneecaps where they are (apparently).What I don't get about that rumour is Manchester is only 80 miles away.He wouldn't be that hard to find.He has a shop for fucks sake.
Maybe the "alleged perpetrators" received some cut of his transfer fees or shop profits ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 04, 2013, 09:54:30 PM: Not sure if this has been mentioned but Spurs have made Jake Livermore available according to the Times. Always been quite impressed when I've seen him, and the right age.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 09:58:56 PM: Livermore would be useful in our midfield actually, loan with perm agreed would be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 04, 2013, 10:02:20 PM: I reckon he's almost certainly QPR bound.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2013, 10:03:19 PM: Probable right Maz. The Chelsea result they got will probably help droopy get a few players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 04, 2013, 10:05:52 PM: Quote from: adamski villa on January 04, 2013, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 04, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
uan Francisco García García, aka Juanfran, is a Spanish professional footballer who plays for Levante UD as a left defender. Wikipedia
Born: July 15, 1976 (age 36), Valencia
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 78 kg
Team: Levante UD (#12 / Defender)
Position: Defender
?????

are you sure ??

or is it

Juan Francisco García Peña (born 1 October 1989 in Fuengirola, Málaga, Andalusia), aka Juanfri, is a Spanish footballer who plays for Écija Balompié as a striker.

[edit] Football career

Juanfri made his senior debuts at the age of just 16, playing with local Unión Deportiva Fuengirola de Los Boliches in the fourth division, and scoring a hat-trick in the side's 9–0 win against Úbeda CF. In 2008–09 he moved to another modest side in Andalusia, Unión Estepona CF, partnering former Málaga CF legend Catanha up front, and both were instrumental as the club first promoted to the third level.

In the 2009 summer Juanfri signed with Málaga, being assigned to the reserve squad in division four. He made his first-team debut on 7 January 2010, in a 2–1 Copa del Rey home win against Getafe CF.

i dont know either

i hope its yours , it has less mileage
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 04, 2013, 10:52:24 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Pat Murphy is an absolute bell end, what the fuck would he know

Probably lot more than me or you
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on January 04, 2013, 10:57:43 PM: must be time to be linked with Benni mccarthey from Celta Vigo,get him in ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 04, 2013, 11:00:45 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 04, 2013, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Pat Murphy is an absolute bell end, what the fuck would he know

Probably lot more than me or you

true but he is rather sanctimonious
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM: Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2013, 11:07:09 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
We won't get Lescott.

He will not come for various reasons, some financial, some professional and some unsavoury (apparantly)
I believe he likes his kneecaps where they are (apparently).What I don't get about that rumour is Manchester is only 80 miles away.He wouldn't be that hard to find.He has a shop for fucks sake.
Maybe the "alleged perpetrators" received some cut of his transfer fees or shop profits ?

The alleged perpetrators are in jail for 15 years for fraud, the other thing is that most who know about that sort of shennanigans reckon its bullshit anyroad and they didnt break his leg.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on January 04, 2013, 11:08:47 PM: Murphy is great on the cricket, but appears to hate the Villa. I heard some time ago that he is a Coventry fan (although I can't find any confirmation on the net). He was inside while MO'N was here because of his love affair with Cloughie at Forest. now he seems to get the lowdown on the Maccems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2013, 11:23:06 PM: He's been out of the loop since MON left and needs no invitation to air his displeasure at our Chairman not granting him an interview.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM: Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 05, 2013, 12:21:40 AM: Quote from: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly

its here 25 minutes in: the actual talk about villa starts 21 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01phmvk/5_live_Sport_01_01_2013/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 12:38:55 AM: Quote from: danno on January 05, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly

its here 25 minutes in: the actual talk about villa starts 21 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01phmvk/5_live_Sport_01_01_2013/

Sooner or later the BBC will come to their senses and rid themselves of that idiot Savage just like they did with Ian Wright.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2013, 12:44:53 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 04, 2013, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 04, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 04, 2013, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 04, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
We won't get Lescott.

He will not come for various reasons, some financial, some professional and some unsavoury (apparantly)
I believe he likes his kneecaps where they are (apparently).What I don't get about that rumour is Manchester is only 80 miles away.He wouldn't be that hard to find.He has a shop for fucks sake.
Maybe the "alleged perpetrators" received some cut of his transfer fees or shop profits ?

The alleged perpetrators are in jail for 15 years for fraud, the other thing is that most who know about that sort of shennanigans reckon its bullshit anyroad and they didnt break his leg.

It's all bollocks...an urban myth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 05, 2013, 12:56:39 AM: Bent - get rid. Buy someone who can help. Get Robbie K back. Lescott will be great! Who gives Monkey's where Bent goes! We need experience and strength!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 05, 2013, 07:33:48 AM: Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

I agree with you, Gareth. I've not heard many of his reports over the past few years, but he always seemed objective and thorough to me in the past. It's clear that Lerner's radio silence isn't to his liking, but then I guess that's inevitable as it makes his job more difficult.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 05, 2013, 07:51:44 AM: Quote from: nick harper on January 04, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Spurs have made Jake Livermore available according to the Times. Always been quite impressed when I've seen him, and the right age.

Agreed. Would fill a problem position certainly, especially while Westwood is out. Could see this happening
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 05, 2013, 08:15:23 AM: Except that Redknapp is mates with his dad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 08:25:24 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 05, 2013, 07:51:44 AM
Quote from: nick harper on January 04, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Spurs have made Jake Livermore available according to the Times. Always been quite impressed when I've seen him, and the right age.

Agreed. Would fill a problem position certainly, especially while Westwood is out. Could see this happening

I think Westwood will maybe be fit in a week or so .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 05, 2013, 08:57:47 AM: Quote from: danno on January 05, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly

its here 25 minutes in: the actual talk about villa starts 21 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01phmvk/5_live_Sport_01_01_2013/

I have to I think Robbie sounded ok then and Pat sounded abit pompous there, he hasn't got a clue about Villa, everything Murphy said, I could have said as a fan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 09:02:39 AM: Latest from the alleged itk on twitter-

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Lescott look like they will be the names in IF all goes well but Bent will be sold 2 fund one of the deals #AVFC

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Benteke would be a nightmare to play against BUT only £10M new money rest would be from sales #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 05, 2013, 09:10:16 AM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 05, 2013, 12:56:39 AM
Bent - get rid. Buy someone who can help. Get Robbie K back. Lescott will be great! Who gives Monkey's where Bent goes! We need experience and strength!

hmmm...experience,strength and also goals. Who could supply those essential ingredients. Wait Ive got it! Darren Bent!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 05, 2013, 09:12:19 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 09:02:39 AM
Latest from the alleged itk on twitter-

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Lescott look like they will be the names in IF all goes well but Bent will be sold 2 fund one of the deals #AVFC

Had to google!...

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang

supersport.com
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is a Gabonese-French football player who currently plays for French club Saint-Étienne in Ligue 1. Aubameyang also represents Gabon at the international level. Wikipedia
Born: June 18, 1989 (age 23), Laval
Height: 1.87 m
Weight: 77 kg
Parents: Pierre Aubameyang
Siblings: Willy Aubameyang, Catilina Aubameyang
Teams: Gabon national football team (#9 / Forward), AS Saint-Étienne (#7 / Forward)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2013, 09:21:18 AM: I dislike Pat Murphy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 05, 2013, 09:36:30 AM: According to the all-knowing Wiki, Aubameyang once decorated his boots with Swarovski crystals :-$

He would also disappear for a month every January.

Does have a good goalscoring record though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 05, 2013, 09:37:07 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 09:02:39 AM
Latest from the alleged itk on twitter-

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Lescott look like they will be the names in IF all goes well but Bent will be sold 2 fund one of the deals #AVFC

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Benteke would be a nightmare to play against BUT only £10M new money rest would be from sales #AVFC

What's Mysterman's hit ratio?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 09:45:52 AM: Quote from: Yossarian on January 05, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 09:02:39 AM
Latest from the alleged itk on twitter-

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Lescott look like they will be the names in IF all goes well but Bent will be sold 2 fund one of the deals #AVFC

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Benteke would be a nightmare to play against BUT only £10M new money rest would be from sales #AVFC

What's Mysterman's hit ratio?

I'm not sure but if you throw enough names around, you get one right eventually.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2013, 09:49:38 AM: Mysteryman, haha, that old load of shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 05, 2013, 09:57:16 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 05, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 09:02:39 AM
Latest from the alleged itk on twitter-

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Lescott look like they will be the names in IF all goes well but Bent will be sold 2 fund one of the deals #AVFC

@AvfcMysteryman: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang & Benteke would be a nightmare to play against BUT only £10M new money rest would be from sales #AVFC

What's Mysterman's hit ratio?

I'm not sure but if you throw enough names around, you get one right eventually.

Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 05, 2013, 10:01:31 AM: Heskey could do a decent job for us. He puts a shift in and could hold up the ball nicely for Benteke. Bags of experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on January 05, 2013, 10:03:48 AM: Quote from: TonyD on January 05, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
Heskey could do a decent job for us. He puts a shift in and could hold up the ball nicely for Benteke. Bags of experience.

Don't even joke about it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:08:56 AM: I've just been looking at this MysteryMan's twitter page and considering he's supposedly ITK, he mentioned Benteke when it was common knowledge at the time we were after him, mentioned Lambert but also said we'd put a bid in for Andy Carroll. He did'nt mention Westwood, Bennett, Vlaar, the re-signing of Guzan or Bowery. There's also over a 1,000 people following his every word which i find a little sad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 05, 2013, 10:09:59 AM: Quote from: gervilla on January 05, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: TonyD on January 05, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
Heskey could do a decent job for us. He puts a shift in and could hold up the ball nicely for Benteke. Bags of experience.

Don't even joke about it.

The footballing equivalent of missing toothache
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2013, 10:10:14 AM: Quote from: LeeS on January 05, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
He would also disappear for a month every January.
Every other January. Assuming Gabon qualify. Which they normally don't (one proper qualification in the last six tournaments).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 05, 2013, 10:19:23 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I've just been looking at this MysteryMan's twitter page and considering he's supposedly ITK, he mentioned Benteke when it was common knowledge at the time we were after him, mentioned Lambert but also said we'd put a bid in for Andy Carroll. He did'nt mention Westwood, Bennett, Vlaar, the re-signing of Guzan or Bowery. There's also over a 1,000 people following his every word which i find a little sad.

Well there is that other "Mysteryman" who does have some connections (through sponsoring the club I understand) however this twitter guy is not him, but I imagine a lot of folk think he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 05, 2013, 10:21:56 AM: Is Aubameyang pronounced ah-bam-a-yang?

If so, there is potential for a cracking song also featuring (woah-oh) Benteke.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 10:23:21 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I've just been looking at this MysteryMan's twitter page and considering he's supposedly ITK, he mentioned Benteke when it was common knowledge at the time we were after him, mentioned Lambert but also said we'd put a bid in for Andy Carroll. He did'nt mention Westwood, Bennett, Vlaar, the re-signing of Guzan or Bowery. There's also over a 1,000 people following his every word which i find a little sad.

Clampy, twitter is just a bit of fun, just because you follow someone doesn't mean what they say is gospel, kendrick, nursey, murphy etc are all on twitter and often wrong on transfer information- it's speculation , lies and crap - hence the name of the thread.

Never take anything as definite unless you see it on the official site.

Needless to say, sometimes these people do get it right , but rarely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:27:21 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I've just been looking at this MysteryMan's twitter page and considering he's supposedly ITK, he mentioned Benteke when it was common knowledge at the time we were after him, mentioned Lambert but also said we'd put a bid in for Andy Carroll. He did'nt mention Westwood, Bennett, Vlaar, the re-signing of Guzan or Bowery. There's also over a 1,000 people following his every word which i find a little sad.

kendrick, nursey, murphy etc are all on twitter and often wrong on transfer information- it's speculation , lies and crap - hence the name of the thread.

Which is why i don't follow any journalist on twitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2013, 10:30:55 AM: Pat Murphy is a very good broadcaster. When things were going badly last year I heard him interview Paul Faulkner, and he gave him a right going over - not in the sense of being unfair but asking the questions fans would have asked him, and not just letting him wriggle off the hook.

I do think, however, that he has a huge problem with the fact Randy never speaks to the press. I know that journalists would not be impressed with that, as it makes their job harder to do, but he makes the valid point that Lerner has a role as owner of a massive local institution so has a duty sometimes to speak.

I totally get that argument, but what I don't like is the way Murphy seems to let the resentment simmer, with the effect that it colours his reporting on the club.

Journalists aren't supporters, it is not their job to defend or promote us, something people often forget, but all the same, some objectivity is needed, and Murphy's fault is that his views seem a bit tainted by the fact our owner makes his job harder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on January 05, 2013, 10:35:31 AM: Ugo (Ugo, Ugo, Ugo) Ehiogu was just on Danny Baker's show. Still Has a great fondness for Villa and says we need experienced CB and MF to help the younger/inexperienced players bed in. Interestingly he mentioned Lescott would be great for us - maybe he knows something??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:41:34 AM: Trouble with Murphy is he was in that little press clique who thought MON walked on water and were obviously kept informed by him.. Not surprised Lerner doesn't want to talk to him as he probably fears a stitch-up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bones. on January 05, 2013, 10:41:58 AM: I can listen to Pat Murphy as long as it dosent involve him talking about the Villa or West Brom. Always been an Albion fan and his bias against the Villa has certainly increased since the press shut out at Villa Park, I think he had quite good contacts during the Ellis era. Heard him say during an interview once that it had always been a personal regret of his that Ipswich hadnt won the league in 1981 when they had deserved to because Bobby Robson was such a nice man. He didnt mention who had won it. He enjoys having a dig at the Villa, he should be above that in his profession.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 10:42:46 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
Pat Murphy is a very good broadcaster. When things were going badly last year I heard him interview Paul Faulkner, and he gave him a right going over - not in the sense of being unfair but asking the questions fans would have asked him, and not just letting him wriggle off the hook.

I do think, however, that he has a huge problem with the fact Randy never speaks to the press. I know that journalists would not be impressed with that, as it makes their job harder to do, but he makes the valid point that Lerner has a role as owner of a massive local institution so has a duty sometimes to speak.

I totally get that argument, but what I don't like is the way Murphy seems to let the resentment simmer, with the effect that it colours his reporting on the club.

Journalists aren't supporters, it is not their job to defend or promote us, something people often forget, but all the same, some objectivity is needed, and Murphy's fault is that his views seem a bit tainted by the fact our owner makes his job harder.

I remember a really good interview on the old radio two sports show he did when graham turner was villa boss back in 1985.

Under mon he was fairly pro villa but since mon left he has a tendency to criticise every chance he gets.

Prefer him talking about cricket.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 05, 2013, 10:51:07 AM: Quote from: bones. on January 05, 2013, 10:41:58 AM
I can listen to Pat Murphy as long as it dosent involve him talking about the Villa or West Brom. Always been an Albion fan and his bias against the Villa has certainly increased since the press shut out at Villa Park, I think he had quite good contacts during the Ellis era. Heard him say during an interview once that it had always been a personal regret of his that Ipswich hadnt won the league in 1981 when they had deserved to because Bobby Robson was such a nice man. He didnt mention who had won it. He enjoys having a dig at the Villa, he should be above that in his profession.

He actually supports Chelsea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 05, 2013, 10:52:33 AM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 04, 2013, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Pat Murphy is an absolute bell end, what the fuck would he know

Probably lot more than me or you

True as that may be, I seriously doubt he knows anything about who Lambert is or isn't interested in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bones. on January 05, 2013, 11:01:04 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 05, 2013, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: bones. on January 05, 2013, 10:41:58 AM
I can listen to Pat Murphy as long as it dosent involve him talking about the Villa or West Brom. Always been an Albion fan and his bias against the Villa has certainly increased since the press shut out at Villa Park, I think he had quite good contacts during the Ellis era. Heard him say during an interview once that it had always been a personal regret of his that Ipswich hadnt won the league in 1981 when they had deserved to because Bobby Robson was such a nice man. He didnt mention who had won it. He enjoys having a dig at the Villa, he should be above that in his profession.

He actually supports Chelsea.
Thats really surprised me. Perhaps its the way he dislikes the Villa that makes him sound like a West Brom fan then !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2013, 11:11:16 AM: Murphy and Nursey seem to have swapped roles. One used to have the inside track and spoke nicely about the club. The other didn't and slagged us of at every opportunity. Now there's an element of the roles being reversed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 11:12:52 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 05, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Murphy and Nursey seem to have swapped roles. One used to have the inside track and spoke nicely about the club. The other didn't and slagged us of at every opportunity. Now there's an element of the roles being reversed.

Nursey is quite open about being a Norwich fan and he is very pro lambert because he knows what he did for Norwich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 11:14:34 AM: Murphy sued (and won) Small Heath for falling off the ladder that journalists have to climb to get to the press box at the Sty.
He can't be all bad then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 05, 2013, 11:18:02 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 11:14:34 AM
Murphy sued (and won) Small Heath for falling off the ladder that journalists have to climb to get to the press box at the Sty.
He can't be all bad then.
They have a ladder at SHA ? Bloody hell, how can they afford a ladder ? Must have taken out one of those payday loans ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 11:22:09 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 05, 2013, 11:18:02 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 11:14:34 AM
Murphy sued (and won) Small Heath for falling off the ladder that journalists have to climb to get to the press box at the Sty.
He can't be all bad then.
They have a ladder at SHA ? Bloody hell, how can they afford a ladder ? Must have taken out one of those payday loans ;D

Every second rung has been sold. The rest have been sponsored.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 05, 2013, 11:30:17 AM: Times say Lescott would like to go back to Everton and that AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRy is prepared to offer £90,000pw wages.

We'll know Redknapp has got him when he starts saying in a press conference.

'Nah, nuffin 'appening there, e's nailed on to go to Villa.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 11:42:13 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 05, 2013, 11:30:17 AM
Times say Lescott would like to go back to Everton and that AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRy is prepared to offer £90,000pw wages.

We'll know Redknapp has got him when he starts saying in a press conference.

'Nah, nuffin 'appening there, e's nailed on to go to Villa.'

I saw moyes on tv recently saying he'd be very interested if lescott was available .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 11:43:24 AM: I've always thought he'd end up back at Everton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 05, 2013, 11:47:51 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 05, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Murphy and Nursey seem to have swapped roles. One used to have the inside track and spoke nicely about the club. The other didn't and slagged us of at every opportunity. Now there's an element of the roles being reversed.

Nursey is quite open about being a Norwich fan and he is very pro lambert because he knows what he did for Norwich.

He was fairly critical about how Lambert dealt with the press at Norwich though when he first came to Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 11:58:03 AM: Quote from: hipkiss92 on January 05, 2013, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 05, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Murphy and Nursey seem to have swapped roles. One used to have the inside track and spoke nicely about the club. The other didn't and slagged us of at every opportunity. Now there's an element of the roles being reversed.

Nursey is quite open about being a Norwich fan and he is very pro lambert because he knows what he did for Norwich.

He was fairly critical about how Lambert dealt with the press at Norwich though when he first came to Villa

He hoped lambert would stay at Norwich , but thinks villa have got a good man- I remenber lambert lost it a couple of times at Norwich with the press - he looked daggers at one reporter who dared question him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 12:29:43 PM: Quote from: danno on January 05, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly

its here 25 minutes in: the actual talk about villa starts 21 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01phmvk/5_live_Sport_01_01_2013/
Lambert sounds pissed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2013, 12:48:58 PM: I just hope whoever we sign brings a quality and experienced spine to the side. As I've said a few times the minimum we need is a centre half, centre mid and a creative player. I think we also need a left back and possibly another centre mid as well. It's really important that they are quality and can bed in straight away as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 05, 2013, 12:58:00 PM: It could probably still happen but I seem to remember when Lescott left Everton it all turned out very bitter between the parties involved. I'm sure Moyes even said his attitude was atrocious in the lead up to his transfer and even his teammates were not happy - many of whom are still at Everton. Maybe all is forgiven now though?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 05, 2013, 01:17:34 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: danno on January 05, 2013, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: richard moore on January 04, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2013, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
Pat Murphy is a good journalist overall, but I don't think he knows the 'inside track' at Villa Park.
Agree, I think he's an excellent journalist who largely tells it as is rather than blowing smoke up anyone's ass...he does however as a member of the broadcast press appear to have a downer on Randy because he dosent give interviews.

He went up in my estimation when he had a row with Robbie Savage last week on R5, don't know if anyone heard it? He told Savage more or less to shut up as he always talks over other people and then when Savage spouted some inaccurate facts about Darren Bent, he was very sarcastic indeed about Savage's research skills. It was getting very tasty and Savage backed down very quickly

its here 25 minutes in: the actual talk about villa starts 21 minutes in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01phmvk/5_live_Sport_01_01_2013/
Lambert sounds pissed!

I heard the row with Savage as well. Very amusing. About time somebody put him in his place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 05, 2013, 01:46:32 PM: Apparently Robbie Keane has ruled himself out of returning to Prem for a loan to any club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 05, 2013, 02:48:51 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 05, 2013, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
I've just been looking at this MysteryMan's twitter page and considering he's supposedly ITK, he mentioned Benteke when it was common knowledge at the time we were after him, mentioned Lambert but also said we'd put a bid in for Andy Carroll. He did'nt mention Westwood, Bennett, Vlaar, the re-signing of Guzan or Bowery. There's also over a 1,000 people following his every word which i find a little sad.

kendrick, nursey, murphy etc are all on twitter and often wrong on transfer information- it's speculation , lies and crap - hence the name of the thread.

Which is why i don't follow any journalist on twitter.

Shame on you
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 02:58:55 PM: Some Italian journalist has linked us with Coutinho - surely not?!
Would be bloody exciting though! When was the last really edge-of-the-seat player we had? Merson?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2013, 03:12:40 PM: Ashley Young surely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johncvilla88 on January 05, 2013, 03:24:07 PM: Chung-Yong Lee anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 03:26:00 PM: Ashley Young was a very good player for us and very effective and dangerous but he never had that flair, capable of anything sort of moments.
Coutinho is unbelievable
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2013, 03:28:04 PM: Most people would get off their seats when the ball went out to Young just in anticipation of what he was going to do next. Surely that's the very definition of an 'edge of your seat' player?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 03:37:54 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 05, 2013, 03:28:04 PM
Most people would get off their seats when the ball went out to Young just in anticipation of what he was going to do next. Surely that's the very definition of an 'edge of your seat' player?
Can't argue with that but he wasn't unpredictable in the same way a Merson or Brazilians tend to be.
Anyway, the point being, Coutinho would be fucking amazing!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 05, 2013, 04:17:13 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Some Italian journalist has linked us with Coutinho - surely not?!
Would be bloody exciting though! When was the last really edge-of-the-seat player we had? Merson?

Hell yeah. Almost certainly not true but this is a rumour I am going to enjoy all day. Thanks!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 04:21:43 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 05, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Ashley Young surely?

But when we first bought him, he was a gamble on a young winger. He did turn into an edge of the seats player similar to Yorke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 05:06:40 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 04:21:43 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 05, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Ashley Young surely?

But when we first bought him, he was a gamble on a young winger. He did turn into an edge of the seats player similar to Yorke.
Yeah, you're probably right, but his game is more Tony Daley than Benny Carbone
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2013, 05:10:20 PM: I think the confusion was just down to the term 'edge of your seat' player. I think you're asking when was the last time we had a quality player who could pull the strings and create opportunities against closed defences. Merson might have been the last one to do that well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 05, 2013, 05:15:29 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Some Italian journalist has linked us with Coutinho - surely not?!
Would be bloody exciting though!

Reports in Italy say it would cost us £8m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 05:16:14 PM: Also it is a player that makes you sit up and take notice and maybe get extra tickets sold to see a good player. Whether Coutinho will sign for us and be the above player is another matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2013, 05:23:30 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 05:16:14 PM
Also it is a player that makes you sit up and take notice and maybe get extra tickets sold to see a good player. Whether Coutinho will sign for us and be the above player is another matter.
Pretty unlikely to be honest. You'd imagine the FSW might have an interest if the palyer is available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2013, 05:26:03 PM: Coutinho? Is he better than his Portugese cousin Moutinho? Why aren't better clubs in for him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 05, 2013, 05:27:28 PM: Quote from: Mister E on January 05, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 05:16:14 PM
Also it is a player that makes you sit up and take notice and maybe get extra tickets sold to see a good player. Whether Coutinho will sign for us and be the above player is another matter.
Pretty unlikely to be honest. You'd imagine the FSW might have an interest if the palyer is available.

How many players are Chelsea going to lash out on under a temporary manager? Especially as they are out of Europe and out of the title chase....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 05:31:02 PM: Quote from: Mister E on January 05, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 05, 2013, 05:16:14 PM
Also it is a player that makes you sit up and take notice and maybe get extra tickets sold to see a good player. Whether Coutinho will sign for us and be the above player is another matter.
Pretty unlikely to be honest. You'd imagine the FSW might have an interest if the palyer is available.

That was my first thought, but I'm also aware that they already have Oscar, Ramirez, hazard and Mata for the attacking midfielder positions and a 25 man limit on the squads. He will probably end up in Spain though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 05, 2013, 05:36:01 PM: It just seems unlikely what with our current position in the league and our historic reluctance to sign anyone remotely exotic. Such a shame though as I don't know about you but I still see football as a form of entertainment and he looks like he could provide entertainment in bucket loads.

8 million? Sheesh, that's what we paid for Delph!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 05, 2013, 05:46:37 PM: Quote from: johncvilla88 on January 05, 2013, 03:24:07 PM
Chung-Yong Lee anyone?

No thanks I've just eaten.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2013, 05:48:05 PM: Lee was a quality player before his injury.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2013, 05:54:39 PM: I believe this window comes down to us signing a decent centre half (I would love Lescott but think Dawson would be a more realistic target) and an experienced central midfielder (again Scott parker would be excellent but think he'll be playing for Spurs again soon as he's been injured for months).

Those two or players of that standard in and no chance of relegation, we'd win the 5-6 games required to stay up no problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2013, 05:57:15 PM: I think we need a creative midfielder as well, minimum.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 07:02:21 PM: Bent playing and scoring and looking happy with the would would save us buying a forward and paying over the odds in January. Benteke, Weimann, NZogbia if playing up top and Bent you would think any side at the bottom end would kill to have at their disposal, and I have seen signs from NZogbia under Lambert that he might just be worth working with.

Biggest thing for me is 2 centre backs if Dunne leaves, and a holding midfielder. A creative, exotic forward midfielder to allow Ireland to be long forgotten would be lovely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2013, 07:03:38 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Pat Murphy is an absolute bell end, what the fuck would he know

It's a good point well made.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bri_the_villain on January 05, 2013, 07:05:52 PM: From the beeb:

TRANSFER LATEST
Manchester City defender Joleon Lescott has ben linked with a move away from the club this month but the 30-year-old England international is going nowhere.

In a statement released on Lescott's behalf by the player's spokesman tonight, it is clear he wants to remain with City.

"Joleon Lescott has ruled out the possibility of any loan move during the January transfer window," said the statement.

"Despite speculation linking him with several Premier League clubs, Joleon has no desire to leave Manchester City."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 07:06:51 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 07:02:21 PM
Bent playing and scoring and looking happy with the would would save us buying a forward and paying over the odds in January. Benteke, Weimann, NZogbia if playing up top and Bent you would think any side at the bottom end would kill to have at their disposal, and I have seen signs from NZogbia under Lambert that he might just be worth working with.

Biggest thing for me is 2 centre backs if Dunne leaves, and a holding midfielder. A creative, exotic forward midfielder to allow Ireland to be long forgotten would be lovely.

Two midfielders and a centre back will be enough if bent stays.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 05, 2013, 07:09:13 PM: Fuck him then, the Mr Worf looking, gangster-dodging motherfucker.
Next!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2013, 07:13:12 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 07:02:21 PM
Bent playing and scoring and looking happy with the would would save us buying a forward and paying over the odds in January. Benteke, Weimann, NZogbia if playing up top and Bent you would think any side at the bottom end would kill to have at their disposal, and I have seen signs from NZogbia under Lambert that he might just be worth working with.

Biggest thing for me is 2 centre backs if Dunne leaves, and a holding midfielder. A creative, exotic forward midfielder to allow Ireland to be long forgotten would be lovely.

A dominant, experienced centre back is a must, two if Plasticine Ron's mysterious injury doesn't clear up and Dunne buggers off Stateside. Then we need a midfielder who can tackle and organise the troops.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 07:14:53 PM: Interesting wording in that Lescott statement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2013, 07:19:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 07:14:53 PM
Interesting wording in that Lescott statement.

ie "I'm content to sit on my arse and pick up my wages".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 05, 2013, 07:27:35 PM: Someone's happy tonight -

: “@JoleonLescott: @No1shaygiven congrats mate, buzzin for you”>> thanks J, might get u guys in the next round 👍

@JoleonLescott: @No1shaygiven not so keen on that mate after the League cup result
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 05, 2013, 07:37:25 PM: Never heard of Coutinho, which club does he play for ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 05, 2013, 07:42:06 PM: Google say Inter Milan :) go on Sneijder and Coutinho for double transfer please and Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland can go other way :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2013, 09:00:05 PM: I dare not believe the Coutinho link in the slightest. Still a kid but he could turn out to be one of the best players in the world in a few years, 2 footed, quick, can pass, can shoot, good from set pieces and, to draw a comparison, carries the ball in a similar way to Maradona, just shifts direction so effortlessly and has the ball on a string (for anyone unsure of him there are loads of good youtube videos).

If he's available it's because he's not quite lived up to his promise so far but, that said i can't imagine that no champions league team will want to throw £8m at inter and see if they can get the most out of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 05, 2013, 09:41:37 PM: Lescott getting his 'I'm not going to ask for a transfer so you'll have to pay me off if you want me out' statement in then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 09:44:11 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 05, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Lescott getting his 'I'm not going to ask for a transfer so you'll have to pay me off if you want me out' statement in then.

That's what I thought (and hope!).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 05, 2013, 09:46:30 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 05, 2013, 07:42:06 PM
Google say Inter Milan :) go on Sneijder and Coutinho for double transfer please and Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland can go other way :)

from what I've read on the back pages it would seem that we're the only club that Sneijder hasn't been touted out to, shame.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:28:27 PM: If Lescott wants to be paid by Citeh to join us then forget it. We've already signed two from them that way and neither of them have ever appeared pleased to be at Villa or indeed shown it on the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM: Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 05, 2013, 10:32:35 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:28:27 PM
If Lescott wants to be paid by Citeh to join us then forget it. We've already signed two from them that way and neither of them have ever appeared pleased to be at Villa or indeed shown it on the pitch.
Dunne's first season wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 05, 2013, 10:34:02 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.
I really hope QPR go down!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 10:34:38 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:28:27 PM
If Lescott wants to be paid by Citeh to join us then forget it. We've already signed two from them that way and neither of them have ever appeared pleased to be at Villa or indeed shown it on the pitch.

Ireland's been a waste of space but we've had many good games from Dunne. Lescott would be a good signing for Villa. He's most certainly a Villa fan, as my sister knows his mother, and he spends a fair bit of time back in Birmingham. More importantly he's a bloody good centreback, and that's just what we need in our team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM: It's not Lescott's fault that his employers agreed to such generous terms of employment. if they now want rid, he's within his rights to be a bit arsey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 05, 2013, 10:36:00 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.

Why on earth they need him now they have Ben Haim
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 05, 2013, 10:38:23 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 05, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.

Why on earth they need him now they have Ben Haim
He must have the TSM's agent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 10:39:20 PM: It would be particularly galling if we allow him to end up at QPR when our defence is desperate for an experienced centreback. If Lescott leaves Man City we have to make sure he comes to us and not a relegation rival.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2013, 10:40:19 PM: Pretty emphatic statement, can't see Lescott moving until the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 05, 2013, 10:40:39 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 05, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on January 05, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.

Why on earth they need him now they have Ben Haim
He must have the TSM's agent.

Probably Arry
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:41:59 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM
It's not Lescott's fault that his employers agreed to such generous terms of employment. if they now want rid, he's within his rights to be a bit arsey.

Maybe so, but i'd prefer to sign players who want to play for us, not someone who view us as a move only to be made once he's wrenched every last penny from his old club. We had enough of them under MON.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 05, 2013, 10:45:20 PM: Anything else you'd like, Greg? Moon on a stick?

Lambert's filled the squad with hungry young triers who were glad to come to Villa. But they're not good enough for you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2013, 10:45:55 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 05, 2013, 07:42:06 PM
Google say Inter Milan :) go on Sneijder and Coutinho for double transfer please and Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland can go other way :)

I am ok with that however I would want a few million euros as well. After all both Ireland and Hutton are rightly known as northern Pirlo and Alves!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 05, 2013, 10:50:58 PM: Quote from: Grande Pablo on January 03, 2013, 11:31:59 PM
Did we ever get all the cash from the Milner/Ireland deal in a similar vein to the Downing deal? They might 'owe us one', so to speak.

I also think Dorrans could be worth a punt.

Just call me Mystic Pablo.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/01/05/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-eyes-up-graham-dorrans-swoop/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:51:48 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 05, 2013, 10:45:20 PM
Anything else you'd like, Greg? Moon on a stick?

Lambert's filled the squad with hungry young triers who were glad to come to Villa. But they're not good enough for you.

You don't have to be young to want to play for Aston Villa, or need a massive cash bribe from your last club. Anyway I don't think Citeh want to sell him, so its all irrelevant for now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 10:53:37 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM
It's not Lescott's fault that his employers agreed to such generous terms of employment. if they now want rid, he's within his rights to be a bit arsey.

Maybe so, but i'd prefer to sign players who want to play for us, not someone who view us as a move only to be made once he's wrenched every last penny from his old club. We had enough of them under MON.

Don't kid yourself. All players are like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:56:21 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2013, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 05, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM
It's not Lescott's fault that his employers agreed to such generous terms of employment. if they now want rid, he's within his rights to be a bit arsey.

Maybe so, but i'd prefer to sign players who want to play for us, not someone who view us as a move only to be made once he's wrenched every last penny from his old club. We had enough of them under MON.

Don't kid yourself. All players are like that.

Well as much as i'm a cynical person, I don't believe that. Some would rather play than sit on their arses in the reserves. They're just the minority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 11:24:20 PM: 4 million for Dorrans is taking the piss big time. Would not touch him for anymore than a million considering how little game time he gets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 06, 2013, 12:04:58 AM: 4 million for a bloke who can't get in their team? They're getting more conceited every week them bastards. Fcuk ' em
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 06, 2013, 12:30:33 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 05, 2013, 10:32:17 PM
Harry wants Lescott, said it in his post match interview.

As usual, mouthy Harry is a after every player, none of whom will go to QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2013, 12:33:04 AM: How does he get away with it? Loathsome he really is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2013, 03:09:47 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 06, 2013, 12:33:04 AM
How does he get away with it? Loathsome he really is.
He's not breaking any rules. So there's nothing to get away with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 06, 2013, 04:22:33 AM: Dorrans could get into our side at the minute. He's not a bad player and he's got plenty of experience. I don't think he's got enough quality for what we need though. He'd neither be the anchorman we lack in midfield, or the creative spark. If anything he'd be competing for Westwoods spot, and I'd put Westy in there every day of the week over Dorrans.
I'd much rather try to get someone like Parker who has attributes we're sorely lacking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2013, 08:07:45 AM: Quote from: supertom on January 06, 2013, 04:22:33 AM
Dorrans could get into our side at the minute. He's not a bad player and he's got plenty of experience. I don't think he's got enough quality for what we need though. He'd neither be the anchorman we lack in midfield, or the creative spark. If anything he'd be competing for Westwoods spot, and I'd put Westy in there every day of the week over Dorrans.
I'd much rather try to get someone like Parker who has attributes we're sorely lacking.

Not really seen much of him recently, he looked decent a couple of years ago but I remember draper looked decent for a year then faded - has dorrans been as good since his injury?

The quotes from lambert in that article suggest there is maybe not as much money available as hoped.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villan For Life on January 06, 2013, 08:13:09 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 06, 2013, 12:33:04 AM
How does he get away with it? Loathsome he really is.

He does it during every transfer window and the wank-fest media lap it up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2013, 08:18:36 AM: Looks like Keane is off the radar-

ROBBIE KEANE has turned down a loan move to QPR — because the veteran striker fears it would burn him out.
The LA Galaxy star, 32, was wanted by Hoops boss Harry Redknapp to kick-start his rock-bottom side’s Premier League survival push in January.
But the Republic of Ireland captain will stay in America during the MLS close-season.
He said: “It’s been a long season, with the Euros and what have you.
“I’ve a few little niggles that need to be sorted out so I don’t think it would be right to go anywhere.”
Unlike former Galaxy team-mate David Beckham, Keane could now see out his career in Los Angeles after penning a new two-year deal.
He added: “I had a year left and they offered me a new contract at the end of last season.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 06, 2013, 08:28:07 AM: It may be my semantic pedantry but Mancini said that whilst Man City wouldn't be selling anyone he made no mention of not loaning players out. Lambert has also come out and said no to loans and will only buy. Is there a chance that this is the public side of behind closed doors negotiations? As in Mancini has said to us that he wants to keep the option of having Lescott back should he need him and we've said no we want to buy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 06, 2013, 08:30:07 AM: Has Lambert really said no loans? Seems strange to rule out borrowing players we probably can't afford to have on the payroll permanently to get us out of the shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2013, 08:34:12 AM: @AvfcMysteryman: Aubameyang is the number 1 target now BUT Lescott is not totally dead deal just not looking good now
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 06, 2013, 08:47:36 AM: There was a quote somewhere-I think on here - we he said just that (preferring not to loan).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2013, 09:23:24 AM: Aston Villa are sitting on a ticking time bomb that will force the club into a major cut-price clear-out if they are relegated.

Sunday Mirror Sport understands top-paid Villa players Darren Bent, Stephen Ireland, Shay Given and Charles N’Zogbia do not have relegation clauses in their contracts.

With Gabriel Agbonlahor and Alan Hutton also on healthy deals that run to 2015, Villa cannot afford to go down without slashing the wage bill.

Villa’s annual wage bill for those six alone – who have all been dumped or demoted by manager Paul Lambert – is just under a staggering £17million.

A Villa Park source said: “The big earners do not have relegation clauses and the club cannot afford to keep paying them if they go down. Their only option will be to find new clubs for them.” The expensive contracts of Richard Dunne and Stephen Warnock expire in the summer and they will not be renewed if the club cannot find buyers for the pair this month.

But Villa are terrified of the double threat of being relegated and stuck with an enormous wage bill for players who are not part of Lambert’s plans.

Fulham and QPR may test the water with a £7m bid for striker Bent, who earns £65,000 a week and cost a staggering £24m from Sunderland two years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 06, 2013, 09:25:54 AM: By Andy Dunn | 05/01/13

Paul Lambert is clearly not taking the FA Cup seriously … he started Darren Bent yesterday.

You can read the full Sunday Mirror match report here: Aston Villa 2-1 Ipswich

Bent had not been seen for almost a month – well, not in uniform anyway – after suffering a hamstring injury.

Some cynics in these parts mumbled doubts about the seriousness of his complaint. Harsh. But there is no doubting Lambert has reservations when it comes to Bent.

One more transfer and clubs will have spent over £50million on Bent but Lambert insists the striker is not for sale in this transfer window.

Even if he was, on this evidence and despite an accomplished finish, buyers would hardly be queuing back to the M6.

In horseracing parlance, Bent needed this run. His touch was occasionally heavy, his movement – his run for the goal excepted – not as sharp as it can be. But Lambert needs to find a way to fully reintegrate Bent because he is going to need all the help and experience he can muster over the next four months.

This is a fragile Aston Villa. Take the example of Jordan Bowery, the 21-year-old making his first start since joining from Chesterfield in the summer.

Moments before Ipswich took the lead, Bowery had a very decent chance to put Villa ahead. Scott Loach made a fine save.

For a spell, Bowery’s head lowered and he was a passenger.

He recovered but not sufficiently to last the full game making way for Gabriel Agbonlahor with half an hour remaining.

Bowery has promise but that cameo was an example of how brittle youth can be.

Lambert cannot be foolish enough to rely on it for the rest of the season.

There is a blend to be had at Villa Park.

Agbonlahor’s return after a month’s absence was encouraging and another expensive player with an uncertain future, Charles N’Zogbia, was one of the more creative on show before he tired.

And don’t forget Shay Given. He looks to have lost little of his confidence and agility.

With an appetising Capital One Cup semi against Bradford to come and their passage to the fourth round of the FA Cup secured by Andreas Weimann’s late score, Villa still have opportunities to make this as much a successful season as a struggle.

But mentally, probably more so than physically, the workload will be considerable. And that is why Lambert will have to keep his senior players sweet.

Bent was not brilliant in his first game for four weeks. But he finished well for his 23rd goal in 49 Villa starts.

And that sort of strike-rate – almost one every other game – has followed Bent throughout a career of over 300 matches.

Whatever you think of Bent – and he is the sort who can divide opinion dramatically – that is the sort of statistic Lambert can ill-afford to ignore in the second half of the season.

Yes, it has been refreshing to see Lambert’s faith in youth, but now is the time for a healthy dash of experience.

And Bent certainly has that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 06, 2013, 09:29:42 AM: Unless Lerner's giving him a fortune to spend, I'm not sure we can ignore loans with the sort of experienced players you'd hope Lambert is looking at. Lescott on loan would be great.

We don't get lumbered with an expensive misfit if he's another Dunne/Ireland and we go down, and Citeh can recall him if they get injuries? Seems the way forward to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM: That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 06, 2013, 10:19:59 AM: Quote from: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).

It's just another woeful Mirror article with no substance to it whatsoever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 06, 2013, 10:57:34 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 06, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).

It's just another woeful Mirror article with no substance to it whatsoever.
Agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 06, 2013, 12:33:41 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 06, 2013, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 06, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).

It's just another woeful Mirror article with no substance to it whatsoever.
Agreed.

Exactly, a piece of pointless Villa bashing from complete no mark. Jog on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Cuz on January 06, 2013, 01:30:54 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 06, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 06, 2013, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 06, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).

It's just another woeful Mirror article with no substance to it whatsoever.
Agreed.

Exactly, a piece of pointless Villa bashing from complete no mark. Jog on.
Quote from: DrGonzo on January 06, 2013, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 06, 2013, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 06, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: N'Rexy on January 06, 2013, 09:34:05 AM
That's a good article from Andy Dunn. Sums up a lot of what is said on here. Let's hope the TW sees some experienced heads come in.

The Mirror article, sounds like scaremongering. Most players don't have relegation clauses and if they are really that scared about it then how about investing now to prevent relegation! A non-story if you ask me (which no-one is).

It's just another woeful Mirror article with no substance to it whatsoever.
Agreed.

Exactly, a piece of pointless Villa bashing from complete no mark. Jog on.

What a crock of shite lazy journalist waste of space.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 06, 2013, 03:24:50 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 05, 2013, 11:24:20 PM
4 million for Dorrans is taking the piss big time. Would not touch him for anymore than a million considering how little game time he gets.

He was good for them in the championship but hasn't shone at all for them in the prem. Would steer clear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 06, 2013, 03:40:20 PM: IIRC Dorrans had a bad injury just before the season (2010/11) started. He subsequently lost his place and never recovered form wise. 4m is taking the piss though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 06, 2013, 05:26:03 PM: has it been on here that olsen at the baggies has a £3m release clause in the contract he has just signed. good player in my opinion and very experienced. anyone else heard that rumour?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 06, 2013, 05:47:03 PM: Danny Graham from Swansea has been mentioned
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 06, 2013, 06:04:17 PM: And I'm sure it's absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 06, 2013, 07:18:20 PM: i think he's worth a gander at
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 06, 2013, 07:54:38 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 06, 2013, 06:04:17 PM
And I'm sure it's absolute nonsense.

I'm sure it might be, but as the thread title is '.......Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p' I thought I'd mention it ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 08:34:50 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 06, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
has it been on here that olsen at the baggies has a £3m release clause in the contract he has just signed. good player in my opinion and very experienced. anyone else heard that rumour?

Read that in one of the papers this weekend. Exactly the kind of player we need and it would be absolutely great to take him off them for such a relatively small fee. The amount of whining that would go on amongst their fans if that deal were to take place would reach epic proportions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 06, 2013, 08:59:12 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: rutski on January 06, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
has it been on here that olsen at the baggies has a £3m release clause in the contract he has just signed. good player in my opinion and very experienced. anyone else heard that rumour?

Read that in one of the papers this weekend. Exactly the kind of player we need and it would be absolutely great to take him off them for such a relatively small fee. The amount of whining that would go on amongst their fans if that deal were to take place would reach epic proportions.

I'm sorry, but that seems absurd. That's like buying a massive television and then not bothering to add it to your contents insurance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 06, 2013, 09:16:52 PM: Maybe they didn't have a choice. Maybe without the clause he wouldn't have signed the contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 06, 2013, 10:37:54 PM: Olsson won't leave WBA - Clarke

Steve Clarke insists West Brom defender Jonas Olsson will not be leaving the Hawthorns during the January transfer window.

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Olsson signed a new four-year deal with the Baggies two months ago but reports in his native Sweden claim there is a £3million get-out clause.

The centre-back has been linked with potential moves to Arsenal and Fenerbahce.

But Clarke has made it clear none of his major players will be moving from Albion this month.

Clarke said: "I don't do contracts, it's not my job. The ins and outs of Jonas' contract are personal.

"I don't think it's right for me to sit and discuss it with you at this moment in time. But why would I expect to lose him?

"We can hang onto every single player. We don't have to sell anybody.

"It's not unsettling for me because I know that come February 1, the players that I need to be here will still be here.

"Why would I expect to lose him in January? I told you, it's complete speculation about Jonas Olsson.

"It's a silly season. January is a silly season."

Clarke is willing to allow unsettled midfielder Graham Dorrans to leave the club this month if the price and circumstances are right.

But he believes he already has a ready-made replacement in George Thorne, who has returned from a successful loan spell at Peterborough and was chosen against Manchester United last weekend.

Clarke said: "Graham will go if there is a suitable offer for him and it suits the club and it suits Graham.

"I've got a replacement, I've got George Thorne back. His loan spell has helped him a lot and he did very well at Old Trafford.

"Even when he came into the game (against Fulham) the other day, he showed that he has improved. We got some great reports from Peterborough. It was just what the boy needed.

"He needed regular football. We're grateful to Peterborough for giving him the chance to have that. I've always known he has big potential."

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 06, 2013, 10:59:38 PM: WHU journo has stated we are after either Livermore or Huddleston from spurs....but as a loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2013, 11:07:12 PM: Olsen will leave WBA if anyone offered to increase his pay by significant amount. (50% or more higher). That has to be one of the reason why , if true, he has a £3m release clause.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:37:34 PM: Bradley playing well for Roma again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 11:38:51 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 06, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Olsen will leave WBA if anyone offered to increase his pay by significant amount. (50% or more higher). That has to be one of the reason why , if true, he has a £3m release clause.

If the rumour about the release clause is true and it is matched, then surely Clarke or noone else at West Brom could do anything to prevent him talking to other clubs and leaving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 11:41:14 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:37:34 PM
Bradley playing well for Roma again.

Although he hardly lit the place up when he was on loan here, I still think it was a mistake not to sign him on a permanent deal. He would have provided an option in midfield that we have been missing the past two seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:42:40 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:37:34 PM
Bradley playing well for Roma again.

Although he hardly lit the place up when he was on loan here, I still think it was a mistake not to sign him on a permanent deal. He would have provided an option in midfield that we have been missing the past two seasons.
Agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: junxs on January 07, 2013, 12:18:59 AM: I thought Tom Huddlestone had retired and gone into acting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:22:46 AM: Quote from: junxs on January 07, 2013, 12:18:59 AM
I thought Tom Huddlestone had retired and gone into acting.

Yeah, he's just just keeping it Lo ki at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 07, 2013, 12:25:15 AM: Livermore or Huddlestone would be pretty uninspiring i must say. remember talking about huddlestone as a possible target on here back in MON's day and he done nowt at all of note since then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:52:11 AM: I'm a fan of Huddlestone's ability but his inury record is terrible and I'd vomit if we pay Spurs a wedge for another crock.
I also doubt there's anything in this either.

Livermore, I'm just not sure about.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 07, 2013, 12:59:09 AM: If Olsson is available for 3m, I want him in right away. I'd also like to see us sign Huddlestone. Very good player who needs to be playing regularly. Livermore is a talent, but Huddlestone has more experience and that would be nice.

Dorrans would be a decent buy, but 4m? Silly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 07, 2013, 01:06:10 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:52:11 AM
I'm a fan of Huddlestone's ability but his inury record is terrible and I'd vomit if we pay Spurs a wedge for another crock.
I also doubt there's anything in this either.

Livermore, I'm just not sure about.

yep. 16 appearances in 3 seasons. If he was a horse he'd have been shot by now. Mind you, he's out of contract in the summer so how much could they ask for him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 01:16:31 AM: After the most vigilant medicals I'd say yes though.
If by some miracle he's through his injury nightmare then Huddlestone would be a good addition.

Loving the link with this Coutinho lad too if not getting carried away.
I think if Villa are smart they'll go for a flair player to excite the crowd. We need it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 01:25:23 AM: A real flair player that can make things happen is exactly what we need going forward to knit what is a really promising side together. A flair player, a tough defensive midfielder, and a centre half and we would be a really interesting side.

That Brighton lad had a good game yesterday and I thought he looks a decent holding player, only to see Poyet touting him to Madrid today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 02:32:14 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 01:25:23 AM
A real flair player that can make things happen is exactly what we need going forward to knit what is a really promising side together. A flair player, a tough defensive midfielder, and a centre half and we would be a really interesting side.

Agree Jim, though I would add a solid LB on loan until the end of the season as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 08:21:43 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 06, 2013, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:37:34 PM
Bradley playing well for Roma again.

Although he hardly lit the place up when he was on loan here, I still think it was a mistake not to sign him on a permanent deal. He would have provided an option in midfield that we have been missing the past two seasons.

He was clearly waaay out of the pace with PL when he was here but you can thank TSM for not signing him, but then how many in here would've signed Bradley after the 6 months he played for us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 07, 2013, 08:32:26 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 06, 2013, 11:37:34 PM
Bradley playing well for Roma again.

He can't have played that well, they lost 4-1!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 07, 2013, 09:08:38 AM: From PL's comments it doesn't look like he's got much of a budget to work with. For me, after the horrors of the Christmas period, particularly the Chelsea 8-0, the main problems still need to be addressed. The defence is sinply not good enough and who knows when Vlaar will return? Midfield needs an experienced leader - pity San is still out and not likely to play again. Lerner needs to support PL - the stakes are high-risk. Saturday is a massive game and I fear a defeat with Southampton looking a lot more solid of late.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:10:52 AM: What comments are these?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:14:13 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
What comments are these?

Not sure what comments lambert has made but I have read reports that he has only £10m cash to spend plus any loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:17:15 AM: Very unlikely that anybody outisde the boardroom knows what he has to spend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 09:18:33 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
What comments are these?

I'm not sure what Villafirst is on about. PL has'nt mentioned budget as far as i'm aware. Any talk of budget has been speculated in the newspapers and we all know how reliable they can be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 07, 2013, 09:19:24 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
What comments are these?

Not sure what comments lambert has made but I have read reports that he has only £10m cash to spend plus any loan deal.

Yes, that's what has been suggested. To me, Lerner should invest at least £30M to safeguard his asset. If we get relegated (God forbid) the value of the club will drop like a stone not to mention the extra millions of tv money starting next season that the club would miss out on. Surely it's best to invest heavily to ensure the best chance of survival?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 09:23:07 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 07, 2013, 09:19:24 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
What comments are these?

Not sure what comments lambert has made but I have read reports that he has only £10m cash to spend plus any loan deal.

Yes, that's what has been suggested. To me, Lerner should invest at least £30M to safeguard his asset. If we get relegated (God forbid) the value of the club will drop like a stone not to mention the extra millions of tv money starting next season that the club would miss out on. Surely it's best to invest heavily to ensure the best chance of survival?

I thought you said these were PL's comments? Now you're saying it's what being suggested. In other words, no-one knows what we have to spend other than the people who need to know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 07, 2013, 09:23:58 AM: Even if he only has 10m & loans, that's enough to bring in three players and that's all we need. Defence & midfield. The rest is fine and will come together when we get some steel and belief.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:27:08 AM: As is always the case clampy there will be rumours and speculation but nobody knows what is to spend or who lambert is targeting , until we see it on the official site take it all with a pinch of salt.

Whereas uncle Harry goes out of his way to be seen in marseille watching remy and likes to wax lyrical about different players everyday , lambert likes to play his cards close to his chest and I believe that's the best way.

I see phil Neville is a free agent in the summer , worth a cheeky £1.5m bid to Everton or not?

Another name mentioned is Feyenoord ‘hothead’ Kelvin Leerdam. The midfielder appears to have fallen out of favour at the Dutch Eredivisie club and would maybe be keen to link up with former team mates Karim El Ahmadi and Ron Vlaar.

The fact of the matter is only Paul Lambert will know who his real targets are and until things become official we will have to continue playing the guessing game – it’s fun though isn’t it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:35:07 AM: Not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:45:57 AM: @JamesNursey: Off to #AVFC later this am, latest transfer goss I heard is Lambert fancies #MCFC Scott Sinclair on loan but the winger wants to stay @ City
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 09:47:12 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
@JamesNursey: Off to #AVFC later this am, latest transfer goss I heard is Lambert fancies #MCFC Scott Sinclair on loan but the winger wants to stay @ City

Bloody hell, he's a bit behind with that one is'nt he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 07, 2013, 09:47:25 AM: I know people will say that the window has only been open a month, but I am surprised that there has not been any action from us as yet. Surely PL knew some time ago that he would need additional resources this month, even before the Chelsea mishap, and it would be expected that these would have been identified and some connection made with agent/club to pave the way etc. The game next saturday is a massive one, not just for the three points but also for morale throughout the club, players and spectators alike. For that reason alone I would have thought that there would have been some movement if only in relation to one player at this stage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2013, 09:49:01 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:27:08 AM

I see phil Neville is a free agent in the summer , worth a cheeky £1.5m bid to Everton or not?

Another name mentioned is Feyenoord ‘hothead’ Kelvin Leerdam. The midfielder appears to have fallen out of favour at the Dutch Eredivisie club and would maybe be keen to link up with former team mates Karim El Ahmadi and Ron Vlaar.

That bit makes you sound like you've actually turned into a tabloid journalist.

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The fact of the matter is only Paul Lambert will know who his real targets are and until things become official we will have to continue playing the guessing game – it’s fun though isn’t it?

I don't think anyone's having quite as much fun as you are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:50:32 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2013, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 09:27:08 AM

I see phil Neville is a free agent in the summer , worth a cheeky £1.5m bid to Everton or not?

Another name mentioned is Feyenoord ‘hothead’ Kelvin Leerdam. The midfielder appears to have fallen out of favour at the Dutch Eredivisie club and would maybe be keen to link up with former team mates Karim El Ahmadi and Ron Vlaar.

That bit makes you sound like you've actually turned into a tabloid journalist.

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The fact of the matter is only Paul Lambert will know who his real targets are and until things become official we will have to continue playing the guessing game – it’s fun though isn’t it?

I don't think anyone's having quite as much fun as you are.

Loving it Paulie ! Transfer window, semi final tomorrow , all good times.

Back to work Thursday after 10 weeks off not quite so good though.
The feyenoord link and fun though quotes were a copy and paste though from metro .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 10:00:07 AM: Quote from: fredm on January 07, 2013, 09:47:25 AM
I know people will say that the window has only been open a month, but I am surprised that there has not been any action from us as yet. Surely PL knew some time ago that he would need additional resources this month, even before the Chelsea mishap, and it would be expected that these would have been identified and some connection made with agent/club to pave the way etc. The game next saturday is a massive one, not just for the three points but also for morale throughout the club, players and spectators alike. For that reason alone I would have thought that there would have been some movement if only in relation to one player at this stage.

It would be easy to have signed a player by now, but the RIGHT player sometimes take longer. If you offered me Lescott on 31st Jan or someone like James Collins now, I'd take Lescott on the 31st.

Speaking of which, Lescott is the only 'link' I really trust right now, based on PL's comments. I think it's either dead in the water or a bit of brinksmanship between the player and City over a pay off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:03:48 AM: I think 3 players is enough in this window

Central Defender - Replacement for Dunne, preferably someone with a bit more experience - Lescott would be superb
Central Midfield - A physical presence; big strong lad who can put himself about, doesn't necessarily need to be a defensive player, box-to-box would be fine as well - If it's true that QPR have bid 6.5m for M-Vila we should try to hijack that one.
Wing Forward - This is the key for me, a creative player who can play across the 3 behind Benteke, links to Coutinho and Aubameyang suggest this is one PL agrees with - Either of the names mentioned would be perfect (If the money there I'd get both).

The only potential weakness then is left back but I think we need to trust Bennett and Stevens for another half a season and then see where we are in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 10:14:51 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
I think 3 players is enough in this window

Central Defender - Replacement for Dunne, preferably someone with a bit more experience - Lescott would be superb
Central Midfield - A physical presence; big strong lad who can put himself about, doesn't necessarily need to be a defensive player, box-to-box would be fine as well - If it's true that QPR have bid 6.5m for M-Vila we should try to hijack that one.
Wing Forward - This is the key for me, a creative player who can play across the 3 behind Benteke, links to Coutinho and Aubameyang suggest this is one PL agrees with - Either of the names mentioned would be perfect (If the money there I'd get both).

The only potential weakness then is left back but I think we need to trust Bennett and Stevens for another half a season and then see where we are in the summer.

Hard to disagree with that, but getting three of sufficient quality is a big ask in January. Therefore, I'd be thinking of the following in terms of priority:-

DCM - Westwood injured, KEA being poor and now away, plus it's a hole in the squad anyway.
CB - Slightly less of a priority, but still something we need, based on Baker being back, who I rate, and hopefully Vlaar not too far off. Both of them back should help tighten us up.
Flair player - he is needed, but this is probably the 'luxury' element on the Jan shopping list as our main issues are at the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 10:15:27 AM: Remember PL mentioned Carroll in the Summer and we got Benteke instead wouldn't rule out a bit of misdirection here
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 10:19:34 AM: Quote from: fredm on January 07, 2013, 09:47:25 AM
I know people will say that the window has only been open a month, but I am surprised that there has not been any action from us as yet. Surely PL knew some time ago that he would need additional resources this month, even before the Chelsea mishap, and it would be expected that these would have been identified and some connection made with agent/club to pave the way etc. The game next saturday is a massive one, not just for the three points but also for morale throughout the club, players and spectators alike. For that reason alone I would have thought that there would have been some movement if only in relation to one player at this stage.

To be fair to Paul Lambert, we've had a pretty hectic fixture list since the window opened and I would have thought he's been a bit too busy preparing the players to concentrate on transfers. I'm not sure what the structure of the club is like and whether we have someone in a similar role, but that is why a good Director of Football (like Ashworth at the Albion) can be a big benefit, as he can get on all with all transfer negotiations while the manager takes care of the team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 10:21:00 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
I think 3 players is enough in this window

Central Defender - Replacement for Dunne, preferably someone with a bit more experience - Lescott would be superb
Central Midfield - A physical presence; big strong lad who can put himself about, doesn't necessarily need to be a defensive player, box-to-box would be fine as well - If it's true that QPR have bid 6.5m for M-Vila we should try to hijack that one.
Wing Forward - This is the key for me, a creative player who can play across the 3 behind Benteke, links to Coutinho and Aubameyang suggest this is one PL agrees with - Either of the names mentioned would be perfect (If the money there I'd get both).

The only potential weakness then is left back but I think we need to trust Bennett and Stevens for another half a season and then see where we are in the summer.

Hard to disagree with that, but getting three of sufficient quality is a big ask in January. Therefore, I'd be thinking of the following in terms of priority:-

DCM - Westwood injured, KEA being poor and now away, plus it's a hole in the squad anyway.
CB - Slightly less of a priority, but still something we need, based on Baker being back, who I rate, and hopefully Vlaar not too far off. Both of them back should help tighten us up.
Flair player - he is needed, but this is probably the 'luxury' element on the Jan shopping list as our main issues are at the back.

Neither Westwood and KEA aren't DCMs, and both would really benefit playing alongside of "destructor" DCM.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 10:31:51 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 10:21:00 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
I think 3 players is enough in this window

Central Defender - Replacement for Dunne, preferably someone with a bit more experience - Lescott would be superb
Central Midfield - A physical presence; big strong lad who can put himself about, doesn't necessarily need to be a defensive player, box-to-box would be fine as well - If it's true that QPR have bid 6.5m for M-Vila we should try to hijack that one.
Wing Forward - This is the key for me, a creative player who can play across the 3 behind Benteke, links to Coutinho and Aubameyang suggest this is one PL agrees with - Either of the names mentioned would be perfect (If the money there I'd get both).

The only potential weakness then is left back but I think we need to trust Bennett and Stevens for another half a season and then see where we are in the summer.

Hard to disagree with that, but getting three of sufficient quality is a big ask in January. Therefore, I'd be thinking of the following in terms of priority:-

DCM - Westwood injured, KEA being poor and now away, plus it's a hole in the squad anyway.
CB - Slightly less of a priority, but still something we need, based on Baker being back, who I rate, and hopefully Vlaar not too far off. Both of them back should help tighten us up.
Flair player - he is needed, but this is probably the 'luxury' element on the Jan shopping list as our main issues are at the back.

Neither Westwood and KEA aren't DCMs, and both would really benefit playing alongside of "destructor" DCM.

It depends on what you see as a 'DCM'. In the system we play, there are two deep lying midfielders, which is where they would play. They're not your old school 'rat catcher' type players, but they are in that defensive/support portion of our midfield. I agree both would benefit from playing alongside a midfielder with more defensive attributes, but as things stand they are who we would look to to be our 'DCM'!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM: With Westwood and Bannan both comfortable playing deeper as the creative link player and both being more than willing to work hard defensively we don't need an out and out defensive player. we just need someone who can dictate the tempo of the game and take charge of the midfield, clearly they need to be able to sit in and do the defensive, backs to the wall, job but I don't think we can afford to have someone who's only job is to do that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 11:06:11 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
With Westwood and Bannan both comfortable playing deeper as the creative link player and both being more than willing to work hard defensively we don't need an out and out defensive player. we just need someone who can dictate the tempo of the game and take charge of the midfield, clearly they need to be able to sit in and do the defensive, backs to the wall, job but I don't think we can afford to have someone who's only job is to do that.

Agree with that Paul. What we really need is someone who can provide a physical presence, bt can also drive forward with the ball and get the odd goal here and there. A modern day Andy Townsend would fit the bill nicely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
With Westwood and Bannan both comfortable playing deeper as the creative link player and both being more than willing to work hard defensively we don't need an out and out defensive player. we just need someone who can dictate the tempo of the game and take charge of the midfield, clearly they need to be able to sit in and do the defensive, backs to the wall, job but I don't think we can afford to have someone who's only job is to do that.

Agree with that Paul. What we really need is someone who can provide a physical presence, bt can also drive forward with the ball and get the odd goal here and there. A modern day Andy Townsend would fit the bill nicely.

Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2013, 11:33:23 AM: Craig Gardner isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Andy Townsend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2013, 11:46:16 AM: I'm hoping that all Lambert's attention today and tomorrow are focussed on getting us to Wembley in the spring. That's not to say things can't happen behind the scenes but it did seem as though Lambert was quite 'hands on' in the transfer market so I wouldn't expect to see much before Wednesday evening at the earliest.

I hve no issue with being proved wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:46:38 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 07, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
Craig Gardner isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Andy Townsend.

Andy townsend isn't an option though is he , Gardner scores goals from midfield and I couldn't care less who he supports.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 07, 2013, 11:49:03 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 07, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
Craig Gardner isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Andy Townsend.

Andy townsend isn't an option though is he , Gardner scores goals from midfield and I couldn't care less who he supports.

He wasn't good enough first time around.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 11:50:58 AM: The only advantage with Gardner would be that he can slot in at right back when needed. I'd rather we kept looking though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:51:48 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 07, 2013, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 07, 2013, 11:33:23 AM
Craig Gardner isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Andy Townsend.

Andy townsend isn't an option though is he , Gardner scores goals from midfield and I couldn't care less who he supports.

He wasn't good enough first time around.

Wasnt better than Barry, Milner , petrov etc- he's better than what we have now though, and 3 yrs more experienced.

First time around he was young and couldn't get a regular spot into a team chasing a champions league spot, he's certainly good enough to get into this team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:55:02 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 11:50:58 AM
The only advantage with Gardner would be that he can slot in at right back when needed. I'd rather we kept looking though.

Of course there are much better , depending on what we have to spend, but Gardner would do a decent job.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 07, 2013, 11:55:19 AM: Craig Gardner would be ideal.Tackles and will score goals,also able to play behind the main striker.Not suggesting he's the equal of an Andy Townsend but he will improve the midfield,far better than Bannan.
If Delph plays consistently to the level of his performance v Ipswich,he will do fine alongside Westwood.However,even if he does provide the answer,we still need another central midfielder to provide competition for places and to cover for injuries and suspensions .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 11:57:01 AM: Gardner wouldn't be the worst buy but we'd have to pay 6-10 millions for him as Sunderland paid 6m for him and I'd rather get someone like Gouffran or Coutinho and then more defensive/phyiscal midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:59:05 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 11:57:01 AM
Gardner wouldn't be the worst buy but we'd have to pay 6-10 millions for him as Sunderland paid 6m for him and I'd rather get someone like Gouffran or Coutinho and then more defensive/phyiscal midfielder.

Offer them warnock and dunne in part ex.
Not many of mons signings left here now are there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:01:53 PM: I'm convinced Craig Gardner is not the answer. We absolutely need a better player in the midfield.
He weighs in with a few goals, true, but is really no better than what we have. And in terms of keeping and using the ball, isnt as good as what we have. His goals and robust tackling cover a multitude of sins in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:17:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
With Westwood and Bannan both comfortable playing deeper as the creative link player and both being more than willing to work hard defensively we don't need an out and out defensive player. we just need someone who can dictate the tempo of the game and take charge of the midfield, clearly they need to be able to sit in and do the defensive, backs to the wall, job but I don't think we can afford to have someone who's only job is to do that.

Agree with that Paul. What we really need is someone who can provide a physical presence, bt can also drive forward with the ball and get the odd goal here and there. A modern day Andy Townsend would fit the bill nicely.

Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.

I'd rather give his brother a go if he can get fit. I think he'd be perfect for the 3rd spot. It's really unfortunate that he picked up his injury, I think he'd be a regular in the side now.

The biggest issue with our midfield is how similar they all are. Westwood, KEA, Bannan, Delph are all decent players but they all suit the same role and have simliar physical qualities, even Herd is fairly similar despite being a bit more aggressive. They're all continuity players (of varying quality) but none of them are tempo dictating impact players and none of them is a ball winner as such. I think Gardner (Gary) would bring something different in there as he seems to be much more suited to being a tempo setting focal point to the team.

In the meantime we need to sign someone who can fil lthat role and that Gardner can compete with in the future. I guess we need to let 1-2 of the above go at some point though, unless at least 1 of them can adapt into the attacking midfield role (I think Bannan and Delph both have the ability to do so, but for different reasons).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 07, 2013, 12:20:02 PM: Right fee , I would take Gardner back at a shot, last time he was competing with the likes of Barry/Milner/Petrov for a place
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 07, 2013, 12:37:12 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 07, 2013, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
With Westwood and Bannan both comfortable playing deeper as the creative link player and both being more than willing to work hard defensively we don't need an out and out defensive player. we just need someone who can dictate the tempo of the game and take charge of the midfield, clearly they need to be able to sit in and do the defensive, backs to the wall, job but I don't think we can afford to have someone who's only job is to do that.

Agree with that Paul. What we really need is someone who can provide a physical presence, bt can also drive forward with the ball and get the odd goal here and there. A modern day Andy Townsend would fit the bill nicely.

Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.

I'd rather give his brother a go if he can get fit. I think he'd be perfect for the 3rd spot. It's really unfortunate that he picked up his injury, I think he'd be a regular in the side now.

The biggest issue with our midfield is how similar they all are. Westwood, KEA, Bannan, Delph are all decent players but they all suit the same role and have simliar physical qualities, even Herd is fairly similar despite being a bit more aggressive. They're all continuity players (of varying quality) but none of them are tempo dictating impact players and none of them is a ball winner as such. I think Gardner (Gary) would bring something different in there as he seems to be much more suited to being a tempo setting focal point to the team.

In the meantime we need to sign someone who can fil lthat role and that Gardner can compete with in the future. I guess we need to let 1-2 of the above go at some point though, unless at least 1 of them can adapt into the attacking midfield role (I think Bannan and Delph both have the ability to do so, but for different reasons).

Has Bannan and Delph ever been tried in the AMC role? Probably being played deep out of necessity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 12:42:42 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.

More goals in 61 villa games than 5 other midfielders between them have scored in 183 games.

Four league goals in 183 games between them from Ireland, Delph, bannan , Westwood and herd makes Gardner seem prolific by comparison.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:44:30 PM: Exactly Jarpie, we need to give them a go there before we write them off, Delph has drive and power and could be effective, Bannan has quick feet and good vision, both could fit the attacking 1 of a 3 better than anywhere else.

I'm amazed delph hasn't been tried there, that's basically the role he was playing when we signed him, then MON played him deeper almost immediately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 12:49:28 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
Exactly Jarpie, we need to give them a go there before we write them off, Delph has drive and power and could be effective, Bannan has quick feet and good vision, both could fit the attacking 1 of a 3 better than anywhere else.

I'm amazed delph hasn't been tried there, that's basically the role he was playing when we signed him, then MON played him deeper almost immediately.

MON didn't really play with attacking central players.

I agree Delph's more natural game is with a bit of licence to get forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:53:05 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
Exactly Jarpie, we need to give them a go there before we write them off, Delph has drive and power and could be effective, Bannan has quick feet and good vision, both could fit the attacking 1 of a 3 better than anywhere else.

I'm amazed delph hasn't been tried there, that's basically the role he was playing when we signed him, then MON played him deeper almost immediately.

MON didn't really play with attacking central players.

I agree Delph's more natural game is with a bit of licence to get forward.

Which made it such a strange signing looking back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 12:58:03 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
Exactly Jarpie, we need to give them a go there before we write them off, Delph has drive and power and could be effective, Bannan has quick feet and good vision, both could fit the attacking 1 of a 3 better than anywhere else.

I'm amazed delph hasn't been tried there, that's basically the role he was playing when we signed him, then MON played him deeper almost immediately.

MON didn't really play with attacking central players.

I agree Delph's more natural game is with a bit of licence to get forward.

Which made it such a strange signing looking back.

If you look at how Milner played when he moved central, I imagine the idea was to develop him into that type of player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:58:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.

More goals in 61 villa games than 5 other midfielders between them have scored in 183 games.

Four league goals in 183 games between them from Ireland, Delph, bannan , Westwood and herd makes Gardner seem prolific by comparison.

Maybe but we're looking for something better. Gardner's goals ratio may be slightly better but still isn't much to write home about and he's not really as good on the ball as Westwood and Bannan so why bother? We need somebody with at least one, preferably two outstanding attributes and Gardner is... average.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 07, 2013, 01:04:55 PM: If our best guess is `Craig Gardner' I think we need to have another think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 01:06:04 PM: I did'nt mind Gardner first time round, i thought he was ok. I'm not sure he's quite what we need now though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on January 07, 2013, 01:07:26 PM: Could probably do more with a set piece for us though!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 07, 2013, 01:14:27 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.

More goals in 61 villa games than 5 other midfielders between them have scored in 183 games.

Four league goals in 183 games between them from Ireland, Delph, bannan , Westwood and herd makes Gardner seem prolific by comparison.

Maybe but we're looking for something better. Gardner's goals ratio may be slightly better but still isn't much to write home about and he's not really as good on the ball as Westwood and Bannan so why bother? We need somebody with at least one, preferably two outstanding attributes and Gardner is... average.

I think people always imagine him to be prolific becaause of that one good season he had with The Dog Shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2013, 01:19:51 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 01:06:04 PM
I did'nt mind Gardner first time round, i thought he was ok. I'm not sure he's quite what we need now though.

That's my opinion, too.

He's got a decent shot on him (as demonstrated at the weekend) and can hit a volley very nicely, but other than that, doesn't offer enough for us to go out of our way to acquire.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 01:34:06 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 07, 2013, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.

More goals in 61 villa games than 5 other midfielders between them have scored in 183 games.

Four league goals in 183 games between them from Ireland, Delph, bannan , Westwood and herd makes Gardner seem prolific by comparison.

Maybe but we're looking for something better. Gardner's goals ratio may be slightly better but still isn't much to write home about and he's not really as good on the ball as Westwood and Bannan so why bother? We need somebody with at least one, preferably two outstanding attributes and Gardner is... average.

I think people always imagine him to be prolific becaause of that one good season he had with The Dog Shit.

It's the 'hitzlesperger' effect where a cracker from 30 yards is easily remembered so every time they score it's "god he scores a lot of those from midfield" when in reality it's 3-4 a season. I remember looking at tommy's stats when he came back to the UK and being surprised how few he scored for us (8 in 99 matches) as I looked back on him as a goalscoring midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 07, 2013, 02:00:15 PM: Yep. Taylor once got 7 in 8 games I seem to recall

Diame would be a wonderful signing. He's proved to be much better than I thought. Can't see it happening though

I always thought mark Davies looked a good player too, excellent dribbling ability. But he doesn't get that many goals and there must be a reason he's still at Bolton
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 02:16:10 PM: There is. He isn't very good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 07, 2013, 02:17:44 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 11:11:13 AM
Craig Gardner? Gets stuck into tackles and gets quite a few goals from midfield.
Yes few is the word. Aston Villa 61 matches 5 goals, Sunderland 53 matches 5 goals.
Only 32 Lge starts for Villa and 27 sub appearances in the league and how many times did he play RB for Villa and Sunderland ?
Blues played him in CM,9 goals in 42 Lge games in a crap side with a defensive minded manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 02:18:54 PM: Robert Snodgrass is starting to look like a decent player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 02:21:20 PM: I wouldn't discount Garnder the Elder's goal scoring prowess, it's just the rest of his game where he's ultimately no better than what we already have.

Thinking about it though, goals from midfield has been a problem this year. The strikers are actually getting a reasonable amount of goals, but the rest of the side haven't weighed in with enough, leaving us as the league's lowest scorers.

I'm sure this hasn't escaped Lambert's notice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM: This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:33:56 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
Robert Snodgrass is starting to look like a decent player.

I take it your barrel is now empty clampy so you have decided to scrape it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 07, 2013, 02:36:17 PM: FYI Sunderland fans think Craig Gardner is a absolute travesty of a midfielder.

Why anyone would even suggest him makes me question whether or not they've seen him play in the last couple of seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 07, 2013, 02:36:53 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Don't be stupid. Bieber's going to Spurs, nailed on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:39:17 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 07, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
FYI Sunderland fans think Craig Gardner is a absolute travesty of a midfielder.

Why anyone would even suggest him makes me question whether or not they've seen him play in the last couple of seasons.

FYI some sunderland fans rate him highly and some don't , pretty much as you get with most players - don't bracket everyone in the same opinion .

I point you here sir-
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=753331&highlight=craig+gardner

I think he would improve our team and add goals to midfield but I also agree we could do better if the money is available .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:43:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?

Is your mom Randy's bodyguard?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:45:14 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?

Is your mom Randy's bodyguard?

Was asking a question , not being nasty but you carry on mate
I Forgot to ask, how's the illness chris? Hope you are doing well!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 07, 2013, 02:46:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
Robert Snodgrass is starting to look like a decent player.

I take it your barrel is now empty clampy so you have decided to scrape it?
I think Snodgrass is decent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 07, 2013, 02:48:42 PM: Let's see if Sunderland want to throw us a few million and Gardner for Gabby.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2013, 02:52:51 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on January 07, 2013, 02:00:15 PM
Yep. Taylor once got 7 in 8 games I seem to recall

Diame would be a wonderful signing. He's proved to be much better than I thought. Can't see it happening though

I always thought mark Davies looked a good player too, excellent dribbling ability. But he doesn't get that many goals and there must be a reason he's still at Bolton

He's a decent player, and the sort I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us go after, but am sure i read a few weeks ago he'd picked up a long term injury
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:54:46 PM: What is whittinghams strike record from midfield? He seems to get plenty goals and is a decent set piece taker as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:57:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?

Is your mom Randy's bodyguard?

Was asking a question , not being nasty but you carry on mate

Sorry for my flippancy, I forgot how seriously some of you take all of this.

Take no notice of me, you discuss who you like, my sources tell me that will.i.am is now at Randy's condo in Miami, a 5 year contract for him to be voice coach to the youth team is on the table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:59:11 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?

Is your mom Randy's bodyguard?

Was asking a question , not being nasty but you carry on mate

Sorry for my flippancy, I forgot how seriously some of you take all of this.

Take no notice of me, you discuss who you like, my sources tell me that will.i.am is now at Randy's condo in Miami, a 5 year contract for him to be voice coach to the youth team is on the table.

Absolute crap, my sources tell me he's in Ohio and its a 3 yr contract!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 03:05:54 PM: Will.I.Am and Justine Beiber?

Still gotta be better than Heskey and Hutton!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 03:18:05 PM: Just looked it his record, whittingham has 63 goals in 251 games for Cardiff- nearly a one in four ratio which is not bad although may be a few pens in there.

Certainly a decent free kick taker and good delivery on corners too- worth a punt?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Smoke on January 07, 2013, 03:27:52 PM: Espn have Whittingham as having 255 apps, 68 Goals and 61 Assists in his Cardiff career. Decent stats at least!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 03:30:52 PM: Quote from: Smoke on January 07, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Espn have Whittingham as having 255 apps, 68 Goals and 61 Assists in his Cardiff career. Decent stats at least!

I guess espn more accurate than wiki - extremely good stats indeed .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 03:35:21 PM: Quote from: Smoke on January 07, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
Espn have Whittingham as having 255 apps, 68 Goals and 61 Assists in his Cardiff career. Decent stats at least!

He's one we did let go too soon, I'm actually quite surprised no one has had a gamble on him yet, I'd guess Cardiff have put a big price on him though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on January 07, 2013, 03:41:15 PM: I'm pretty sure it was paulie who gave eastie a 'sky ticker tape' alert bar last window. Please give it him back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 03:44:17 PM: EASTIE SPORTS NEWS:
EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT! EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on January 07, 2013, 03:52:29 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 03:44:17 PM
EASTIE SPORTS NEWS:
EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT! EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT!

Haha! nice one Maz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 07, 2013, 03:55:41 PM: Can we please just sign someone? Anyone? And I mean anyone!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 04:11:35 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 03:44:17 PM
EASTIE SPORTS NEWS:
EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT! EASTIE SPORTS NEWS UNDERSTANDS THAT SPORTS NEWS IS ABSOLUTELY... BRILLLIANT!

Thats whats been missing !You old rascal maz ! Any thoughts on whittingham?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 04:13:36 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 07, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Can we please just sign someone? Anyone? And I mean anyone!!!

Not even really being linked much with anyone either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 07, 2013, 04:13:58 PM: If you ask the same question enough times,you convince yourself it's a good idea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 07, 2013, 04:14:20 PM: Des, I think you could file Ireland, Hutton and Harewood under the "can we just sign anyone please". I rate our manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 07, 2013, 04:21:26 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 07, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Can we please just sign someone? Anyone? And I mean anyone!!!

I think we should sign this guy;
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 07, 2013, 04:26:30 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 07, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 07, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Can we please just sign someone? Anyone? And I mean anyone!!!

I think we should sign this guy;

Yes. Get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 04:38:30 PM: Seems saints are keen on coutinho- we have been linked recently and he sounds ideal for us-

Southampton want to spend big in Serie A again for Inter Milan's Coutinho and Italy defender Davide Astori.

The Saints, run by Italian chairman Nicola Cortese, paid £12m for Gaston Ramirez in the summer.

Now the Premier League new boys want the £10m-rated Brazilian playmaker and the Cagliari defender.

Liverpool have also been tracking Astori who has won two Italy caps but the Sardinian club are seeking £12m.

Coutinho started out with Rio de Janeiro giants Vasco da Gama before signing for Internazionale in 2010. His first-team opportunities at the San Siro became sadly limited however, and he was farmed out to Spanish strugglers Espanyol on loan for the second half of last season.

The playmaker turned out to be an inspired signing for the Pericos, with his unpredictable dribbling and rasping long shots causing problems for many La Liga defences.

With Inter remodelling their side under Andrea Stramaccioni it is likely that the Brazilian will be allowed to leave, supported by the fact that the rookie manager has only given him three Serie A starts this season.

Our La Liga expert David Cartlidge gave us his view on Coutinho based on his spell at the Cornella last season:

"The Brazilian was a key fixture for Espanyol despite being on loan, as he provided a real creative impetus and vibrancy. He has the skill, technique and confidence you'd expected from a Brazilian attacking midfielder.

"The only negative is perhaps his fondness of attempting to do it all on his own. If the boy can get his head up, he'll be a huge success."

While the Nerazzuri seem willing to part with Coutinho, islanders Cagliari are keen to hold onto star performer Davide Astori for as long as possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 07, 2013, 05:06:06 PM: In all fairness, he came almost as close as Ronny Rosenthal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 07, 2013, 05:34:33 PM: Tweeted by Ian Abrahams:

@BroadcastMoose: Now what else have I heard this afternoon? Oh yes Swansea striker Danny Graham linked with a move from Wales to West Mids and Aston Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2013, 05:42:34 PM: Quote from: villajk on January 07, 2013, 05:34:33 PM
Tweeted by Ian Abrahams:

@BroadcastMoose: Now what else have I heard this afternoon? Oh yes Swansea striker Danny Graham linked with a move from Wales to West Mids and Aston Villa

I don't see the logic of this one at all if I'm honest, in Benteke, Weimann, Bent and Gabby we have as good a set of strikers as anyone bar the top 3-4 sides in the league, add in bowery as a backup option and we really don't need another unless they're more like Nzogbia as a wide forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ryu on January 07, 2013, 05:51:41 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 07, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
This is thread for wild imaginings, it's where people reveal that their mom is Randy Lerner's bodyguard and that it's nailed on that Justin Bieber is signing for us as an all action centre half, it's not the place to proclaim the virtues of Craig bloody Gardner.

Can we discuss Messi next then chris or is that too wild ?

Is your mom Randy's bodyguard?

Was asking a question , not being nasty but you carry on mate

Sorry for my flippancy, I forgot how seriously some of you take all of this.

Take no notice of me, you discuss who you like, my sources tell me that will.i.am is now at Randy's condo in Miami, a 5 year contract for him to be voice coach to the youth team is on the table.

How the hell do you know who will.I.am is? You've been off work for too long.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 06:16:56 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 07, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
Robert Snodgrass is starting to look like a decent player.

I take it your barrel is now empty clampy so you have decided to scrape it?

Just expressing an opinion on a player i like Eastie. At least my barrell is'nt full of twitter quotes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 07, 2013, 06:18:07 PM: Aston Villa plot £12m bid for Swansea star- Danny Graham
Talksports.
That would be interesting move can finish with aplomb
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2013, 06:20:24 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 07, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
Aston Villa plot £12m bid for Swansea star- Danny Graham
Talksports.
That would be interesting move can finish with aplomb

I don't see what soft fruit has to do with football.

12m doesn't seem likely to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 07, 2013, 06:23:07 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 07, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
Aston Villa plot £12m bid for Swansea star- Danny Graham
Talksports.
That would be interesting move can finish with aplomb
i much prefer strikers who score goals
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 07, 2013, 06:24:25 PM: 12 million? Don't be fucking stupid. Lazy journalism. Move on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 06:25:45 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 07, 2013, 06:24:25 PM
12 million? Don't be fucking stupid. Lazy journalism. Move on.

More like £1.2m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2013, 06:27:00 PM: Absolute nonsense, firstly a striker is way down the list of our priorities and secondly £12 million for Danny Graham!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 06:27:37 PM: 12 mil hahaha dear lord plus another striker.If we had 12 mil for one player we would be spending it on CM or CB
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 07, 2013, 06:31:56 PM: This station isnt doing so well with there transfer rumours I heard other day Lampard was going to Man U I have to revise opinion on listening . Well it could be made up I guess as 12 mil is a bit steep.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/130107/aston-villa-plot-%C2%A312m-bid-swansea-star-188771?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalksportSportNews+(News+-+Sport+-+Homepage)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 07, 2013, 06:38:13 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 07, 2013, 06:31:56 PM
This station isnt doing so well with there transfer rumours I heard other day Lampard was going to Man U I have to revise opinion on listening . Well it could be made up I guess as 12 mil is a bit steep.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/130107/aston-villa-plot-%C2%A312m-bid-swansea-star-188771?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TalksportSportNews+(News+-+Sport+-+Homepage)
you repeat talksport rubbish on here :'( :-[ ::) ??? :(

FFS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 06:46:37 PM: OWSHTY BOWSH SPORTS NEWS:
Aston Villa bid £12m for Danny Fucking Graham. A lovely big pair of hairy bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2013, 06:51:59 PM: LOAD OF OLD BUM TWADDLE NEWS:

Villa might as well give up on Bowery and save themselves some time and trouble!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on January 07, 2013, 07:04:56 PM: Danny Graham? £12m? Do they realise MON is now the manager of Sunderland?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 07, 2013, 07:28:17 PM: Bordeaux striker Yoan Gouffran will join Aston Villa in a £6million deal. Gouffran almost made the move in the summer however, the deal collapsed at a late stage. Villa boss Paul Lambert is keen to strengthen his options up front and see’s the inform Frenchman as the ideal man to bring in. A friend close to Gouffran has said that talks are at an advanced stage and the move should be completed in the next week. Gouffran will give Lambert options as he can plays through the middle of out wide and should give Aston Villa a real cutting edge

http://thefootballma...-to-join-villa/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 07:36:51 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 07, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
Bordeaux striker Yoan Gouffran will join Aston Villa in a £6million deal. Gouffran almost made the move in the summer however, the deal collapsed at a late stage. Villa boss Paul Lambert is keen to strengthen his options up front and see’s the inform Frenchman as the ideal man to bring in. A friend close to Gouffran has said that talks are at an advanced stage and the move should be completed in the next week. Gouffran will give Lambert options as he can plays through the middle of out wide and should give Aston Villa a real cutting edge

http://thefootballma...-to-join-villa/

Whilst not a priority for this window, he would be a useful addition!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 07, 2013, 07:40:17 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 07:36:51 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 07, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
Bordeaux striker Yoan Gouffran will join Aston Villa in a £6million deal. Gouffran almost made the move in the summer however, the deal collapsed at a late stage. Villa boss Paul Lambert is keen to strengthen his options up front and see’s the inform Frenchman as the ideal man to bring in. A friend close to Gouffran has said that talks are at an advanced stage and the move should be completed in the next week. Gouffran will give Lambert options as he can plays through the middle of out wide and should give Aston Villa a real cutting edge

http://thefootballma...-to-join-villa/

Whilst not a priority for this window, he would be a useful addition!
I would be very happy with this!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 07, 2013, 07:42:17 PM: Let's get some big hard bastards in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 07, 2013, 07:54:11 PM: I won't believe it until eastie tells me it's happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 07, 2013, 07:55:04 PM: There are more pressing matters than another forward. Unless they are adept at playing behind a front pair then not required at all in fact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 07:59:24 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 07, 2013, 07:54:11 PM
I won't believe it until eastie tells me it's happening.

I'm waiting for Pauline to iron dc5 mysteryman mask and then if I hear anything I will let you know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 07, 2013, 08:10:34 PM: After some of the most inaccurate transfer rumours this summer, I'm only going to pay credence to Matt Kendrick (poor match reports, good transfer gossip accuracy, albeit normally about 24 hours before they sign) and not much else.

Graham's a good player. But he's not a £12m player and it's hardly the position to splurge all our cash
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:10:39 PM: Not sure about the earlier fee quoted as hes out of conract so i would assume £6m is way over the mark-

Bordeaux striker Yoann Gouffran has again touted himself to England.

The 26 year-old is off contract in June and interesting Aston Villa, Fulham and Everton.

"For the moment, we are in discussions with the president. We will see in the coming days. For now, there is nothing certain. I want to taste a little the English league to find something else.

"The bids must be adequate, with a good challenge. I want to play," said Gouffran.

"It may be time to find something else. I have friends in England who told me about this championship and it really makes you want to play there."

Bordeaux president Jean-Louis Triaud confesses Yoan Gouffran is likely to leave.

The French striker is off contract in June and wanted by Fulham and Aston Villa in January.

Triaud conceded: "There is an ongoing discussion. He's been made a proposal for an extension, and once he accepts or rejects it, we will notify all of the decision.

"Do not forget that he had already extended it by one year. And we cannot force people to do what they do not want to do! And it is not about money because whatever our proposal, it will be taxed at 75%. This is the case for all players from €80,000 in salary."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 07, 2013, 08:18:20 PM: I notice yet another player that we are linked with is also linked with Fulham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:20:06 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 07, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
I notice yet another player that we are linked with is also linked with Fulham.

I'd have thought we were pretty much covered up front personally .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 08:41:54 PM: I agree but Bent could still move this window so guess we might be covering ourselves early for that.

Yep priority has to be central midfield and also defence depending on when Vlaar is fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:44:45 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I agree but Bent could still move this window so guess we might be covering ourselves early for that.

Yep priority has to be central midfield and also defence depending on when Vlaar is fit.

Possible I suppose but wouldn't him being cup tied reduce any fee?

Although If we did get gouffran then he can play out wide as a striker which would be useful , not sure where it would leave gabby though.

Lets wait and see if anything happens first though as we are not the only team interested according to reports.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 07, 2013, 08:51:22 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I agree but Bent could still move this window so guess we might be covering ourselves early for that.

Yep priority has to be central midfield and also defence depending on when Vlaar is fit.

Possible I suppose but wouldn't him being cup tied reduce any fee?

Don't think so as any club would sign him for 3.5 years so probably not worry about one season's FA Cup.

I think Lambert prefers versatile players upfront who can create and score, such as Weimann and Gabby who can play up top or behind/wide. Bent isn't that, but Grouffan is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 08:54:19 PM: He's not just a striker though, he's a winger too.
Lambert likes versatility so I can imagine there may be something in this.

What I know about him:
He's fast as fuck, good with both feet, is scoring a few lately and... is allergic to grass.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 07, 2013, 08:57:54 PM: Gouffran is more of a wide player then an out-and-out striker I think. Would be ideal in a 4-3-3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2013, 08:58:29 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
He's not just a striker though, he's a winger too.
Lambert likes versatility so I can imagine there may be something in this.

What I know about him:
He's fast as fuck, good with both feet, is scoring a few lately and... is allergic to grass.

Well that's just a reflection of modern hydroponically grown super skunk, it makes me cough, it makes my eyes turn red and my skin go pasty white too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 07, 2013, 09:08:20 PM: How legitimate is this source?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 07, 2013, 09:09:59 PM: 26 not yet selected for France at full level. Doesnt score often and looks like Bobby Zamora. Sounds about right. Hope he doesnt cost much.

and allergic to grass.. not a diver then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on January 07, 2013, 09:22:35 PM: Sky Sports stating we are interested in Luis Cavanda- currently with Lazio, highly rated u21 Belgian defender
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 07, 2013, 09:37:08 PM: Quote from: My left Foot on January 07, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Sky Sports stating we are interested in Luis Cavanda- currently with Lazio, highly rated u21 Belgian defender

There's got to be something in the water in Belgium if we're looking at bringing another one to the Prem
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 09:50:01 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 07, 2013, 09:09:59 PM
26 not yet selected for France at full level. Doesnt score often and looks like Bobby Zamora. Sounds about right. Hope he doesnt cost much.

and allergic to grass.. not a diver then!

He's scored 1 in 2 more or less this season and not being selected for France means he's a bad player? Hardly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 09:55:11 PM: As he is out of contract in Summer could it be more likely we are signing him a pre contract ?

Also 6 mil for a player out of contract who can go for nothing in 6 months seems steep.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 10:06:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I agree but Bent could still move this window so guess we might be covering ourselves early for that.

Yep priority has to be central midfield and also defence depending on when Vlaar is fit.

Possible I suppose but wouldn't him being cup tied reduce any fee?

Although If we did get gouffran then he can play out wide as a striker which would be useful , not sure where it would leave gabby though.

Lets wait and see if anything happens first though as we are not the only team interested according to reports.

Well I can see Newcastle being interested so being cup tied won't concern them! Maybe Fulham aswell after the replay.

I expect Bent to be back on the bench against Southampton so he could still easily leave this window. Think in our present situation I'd rather keep him until the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 10:17:23 PM: Scored tomorrow night Bent will start against Southampton I reckon. Such an important game.

Gouffran would be nice as he appears to offer something different.

Kind of an upgrade on Gabby in terms of skill level.

12 million for Graham is as likely as us signing that Coutinho fella.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 10:26:51 PM: Who would you drop then Ozz, Beni or Weimann? I can't see three all starting on saturday tbh.

I think if N'zogbia plays well tommorrow, he'll certainly start on Saturday as the wide man of the three.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 07, 2013, 10:27:35 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
12 million for Graham is as likely as us signing that Coutinho fella.

As I think I mentioned before, according to Comoli pretty much every player on the continent is up for sale. They other leagues do not have the luxury of improved TV deals so they're faced by the economic reality of reducing commercial income and are looking to trim their squads/wages. Sniejder is a good example of this and it also suggests Inter might be hurting more than most. Basically I think the guy is probably available but whether he'd chose Villa is another matter but he did just spend a year on loan at a smallish spanish club so anything is possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 10:37:06 PM: I don't think we would be in for him Dante, it is very non- Villa to go for a player like that. I would love it, don't get me wrong, but I can''t see it at all.

Re Bent - if he has a good game tomorrow from the start, it would be very difficult to leave him out. Might start in front of the beast, who Lambert openly stated needs rest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 10:44:11 PM: Non Villa? What does that mean? Lambert has had one window so his MO may well include a player like Coutinho.
We're talking about a promising 20 year old who is on the periphery of Inter's squad, not a top player yet. It's quite possible we're after him.

I'd love it. It would be such a boost, a welcome suprise. I think we need somthing like that.
Lambert went for Dempsey, an attacking midfielder/forward. He still has that money apparently and the role hasnt really been filled yet so why not bid for this kid?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 10:48:02 PM: Maz you are admirably always optimistic come transfer windows, and very bullish about who we can get, and while I would like to think we are in and have a shot, it just seems a bit more like the sort Spurs, or Liverpool would be signing than Villa. We are your work hard solid pros or over expensive done it in the prem players. I admit, Lambert showed a much welcome diversion from previous in the summer, but 10 million on a 20 year old Brazilian as good as he looks. Bridge too far for me, but as I said, I would be loving it if we could pull it off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 07, 2013, 10:51:37 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 10:44:11 PM
Non Villa? What does that mean? Lambert has had one window so his MO may well include a player like Coutinho.
We're talking about a promising 20 year old who is on the periphery of Inter's squad, not a top player yet. It's quite possible we're after him.

I'd love it. It would be such a boost, a welcome suprise. I think we need somthing like that.
Lambert went for Dempsey, an attacking midfielder/forward. He still has that money apparently and the role hasnt really been filled yet so why not bid for this kid?

Normally I'd agree that it is not a typical villa signing however as you say Lambert is a new manger. This fella in many ways suits lambert's criteria: Young, slightly damaged goods (arguably failed at Inter) and has faults in his game. My guess is he'd be hungry to prove Inter wrong which would tick the "hungry" criteria Lambert has mention previously.

Admittedly I'm not holding my breathe expecting anything to happen but it is nice to speculate (better than talking about craig gardner anyway).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave P on January 07, 2013, 11:10:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I agree but Bent could still move this window so guess we might be covering ourselves early for that.

Yep priority has to be central midfield and also defence depending on when Vlaar is fit.

Possible I suppose but wouldn't him being cup tied reduce any fee?

Although If we did get gouffran then he can play out wide as a striker which would be useful , not sure where it would leave gabby though.

Lets wait and see if anything happens first though as we are not the only team interested according to reports.

Bent was cup tied when we got him off Sunderland but it didn't stop us spending £24m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2013, 11:35:33 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 07, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
I notice yet another player that we are linked with is also linked with Fulham.
Yes we are dining at JD Wetherspoons now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2013, 11:39:58 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 07, 2013, 06:25:45 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 07, 2013, 06:24:25 PM
12 million? Don't be fucking stupid. Lazy journalism. Move on.

More like £1.2m
Yes. We really don't want him. We have better forwards and in any case he is out of contract in June.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2013, 11:45:52 PM: We have been linked in France with Sissoko. A double raid on France for him and Gouffran, with a centre half thrown in would be a nice January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 11:48:41 PM: From twitter land

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
To be honest nothing exciting on horizon out of #AVFC this window from sad information just seen even I can't be up about this #Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 11:54:59 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
From twitter land

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
To be honest nothing exciting on horizon out of #AVFC this window from sad information just seen even I can't be up about this #Villa

This bloke is a fannyclown.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 08, 2013, 12:03:19 AM: AVFCMysteryman lost all his credibility when he claimed we were getting Moyes as manager just before we actually got McLeish. I don't think anybody on Twitter takes him seriously anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 08, 2013, 12:21:45 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
From twitter land

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
To be honest nothing exciting on horizon out of #AVFC this window from sad information just seen even I can't be up about this #Villa

This bloke is a fannyclown.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2013, 01:16:02 AM: Lambert said the other day that it wouldn't make any sense to sell Bent to a rival - so you can scrub Fulham, Newcastle and QPR off the list. I'd be surprised if he leaves at all considering he's going to fire us to Wembley very shortly.

I think there's more than one Mysteryman. Can they all be fannyclowns?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 08, 2013, 02:19:35 AM: Quote from: eamonn on January 08, 2013, 01:16:02 AM
I think there's more than one Mysteryman. Can they all be fannyclowns?
Apparently, the Mysteryman on Twitter is an imposter. The genuine MM used to appear on VT I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 08, 2013, 03:53:25 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 07, 2013, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 07, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
From twitter land

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
To be honest nothing exciting on horizon out of #AVFC this window from sad information just seen even I can't be up about this #Villa

This bloke is a fannyclown.

I lolled.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 06:46:34 AM: He hates being questioned too. Blocks you straight away. Got nothing right at all in the summer.

I am sure that Villa Insider got a couple of things spot on in the summer, but might be memory playing tricks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 08, 2013, 07:05:44 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 07, 2013, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 07, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
I notice yet another player that we are linked with is also linked with Fulham.
Yes we are dining at JD Wetherspoons now.

But only the shitty, microwaved curry and beer for a fiver.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 08, 2013, 08:32:07 AM: Twitter Mystery Man is a fake. The real one is a nice chap who spends a few bob with them commercially but really knows very little.

For example, when TSM became manager, he was still saying we weren't in for him on that Sunday he jacked it in at Blues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM: The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 08:47:26 AM: I've seen Coutinho play a few times and he is definately a class act. I'd love us to sign him and A big lad in Midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 08, 2013, 08:48:25 AM: It is hard to have too much sympathy with someone who was insistent that we didn't want TSM because Jon Fear had told him so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:52:52 AM: Is that where it came from? All I know is he said it was from a different source than usual.
I would have thought Mysteryman would have a more direct line to the good gossip than Jon Fear and indeed that seems to be the case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:09:46 AM: The scoundrels latest offering is -

@AvfcMysteryman: From what I jave been told Randy has little faith in Lambert but will keep him for now but NO big buys till big sells #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 08, 2013, 09:13:41 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
The scoundrels latest offering is -

@AvfcMysteryman: From what I jave been told Randy has little faith in Lambert but will keep him for now but NO big buys till big sells #AVFC

Why repeat it when you know it's bollocks?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 09:18:38 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

I really enjoy reading posts from the genuine MM and Pelty to give you a bit of an insight. I'll never forget the Sunday we drew at Blues and with the story breaking with Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:19:03 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 08, 2013, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
The scoundrels latest offering is -

@AvfcMysteryman: From what I jave been told Randy has little faith in Lambert but will keep him for now but NO big buys till big sells #AVFC

Why repeat it when you know it's bollocks?

I refer you to the title of the thread and it covers options 2 and 3 . Point taken though dave and afore mentioned scoundrel now blocked from easties twitter .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 09:19:06 AM: Who was that other RB we were correctly linked with in the summer before buying Lowton? We sort of worked out then that Lambert likes to have a few options when he's scouting for a certain position and if one doesn't happen he can move straight on to the other. Perhaps Coutinho and Gouffran are similar and he's earmarked one of them for the inside left channel, having not been impressed with Gabby?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:20:33 AM: Quote from: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

I really enjoy reading posts from the genuine MM and Pelty to give you a bit of an insight. I'll never forget the Sunday we drew at Blues and with the story breaking with Bent.

I know pelty mentioned a big signing but I believe it was mr dw who produced the name we all craved of mr db.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:22:39 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
Who was that other RB we were correctly linked with in the summer before buying Lowton? We sort of worked out then that Lambert likes to have a few options when he's scouting for a certain position and if one doesn't happen he can move straight on to the other. Perhaps Coutinho and Gouffran are similar and he's earmarked one of them for the inside left channel, having not been impressed with Gabby?

I hope you are right as either of them would be ideal although given the choice I think I'd prefer coutinho.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2013, 09:24:02 AM: I think it's more that he wants some cover. If 4231 is the way forward as the main system (which appears to be the case) we really need options in the wider roles. Nzogbia and Albrighton are the only players we have who are naturally suited to those spots, with Weiman and Gabby both capable of doing a job there. Gouffran and Coutinho would give genuine competition in those roles.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 09:29:16 AM: With Gouffran and Gabby he also has the option of playing them in Benteke's spot if necessary, as he does with Weimann, which means we wouldn't need an expensive benchwarmer like Bent, thereby releasing funds for other areas of the team.

I see it as more of a 4-3-3. The real difference between that and a 4-2-3-1 is very slight, but mainly can be found in the players involved. Similarly, if you don't have decent attackers in your midfield, it becoames 4-5-1.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 08, 2013, 09:40:02 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
The scoundrels latest offering is -

@AvfcMysteryman: From what I jave been told Randy has little faith in Lambert but will keep him for now but NO big buys till big sells #AVFC

I read back through his timeline he was claiming Bent stormed out vs Reading and we were in talks with Liverpool to sell him...

Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

Saw that myself they do enjoy the witchhunt over people who post info they hear.Shame few good posters there left because of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 08, 2013, 09:46:48 AM: Is Goufran the lad who went to one of the big Italian teams and didn't last too long? I thought he was more of a creative midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 09:49:32 AM: That's Gourcouff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 08, 2013, 09:51:03 AM: I see. Ta.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 08, 2013, 09:51:29 AM: Doing what MysteryMan does is the easiest thing in the world. Take Saturday night, me and a Wolves mate were in the pub and he decided for a joke to put on Twitter that he'd heard that Solbakken had not got back on the first team coach after the Luton game. An hour later he'd got the sack. Now people following my mate will think he's the source of all knowledge. He could carry it on i suppose with pretend gossip but he's not as sad as that.

As for AvfcMysteryMan, he's just full of shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 08, 2013, 09:53:48 AM: You cant knock the bloke for reporting that McLeish wasn't going to happen, only three people in the world thought it was a good idea and one of them was Mcleish himself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 08, 2013, 10:38:12 AM: Luis Cavanda, defender from Lazio is on our radar according to SSN. Anybody got any info on him ?
U21 PLAYER IS ALL I KNOW.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 10:44:00 AM: Angolan born Belgian, fullback, 5' 11", can play right or left or possibly in midfield. Maybe friends with Benteke (no idea).
Has broken through for Lazio and is first choice I think. Represented Belgium at youth levels but not the first team as yet so could still play for Angola.

Seems a good player and it would make sense having a versatile fullback to cover right and left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM: Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 08, 2013, 10:52:03 AM: Sounds promising. Will keep tabs on him from now on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 08, 2013, 10:56:18 AM: mentioned before that my brother in law knows PF in a business context and to a much lesser degree socially.he heard that there is a sell to buy policyin this window as the wage hogs are still causing a problem. Don't shoot the messenger, just what he told me and of course it could be total bollocks because he isn't MM, either the real one or the pretend one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:58:14 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

He has done alright, but I think he's another that I wouldn't want exposed to a run on first team games. I think we need better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:08:29 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I think he's looked better than Bennett. I'm not at all convinced by Bennett, it's looking too much too soon for him so far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 08, 2013, 11:12:13 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I think he's looked better than Bennett. I'm not at all convinced by Bennett, it's looking too much too soon for him so far.

Bennet has probably suffered from those injuries, when he joined us he just came back from injury and then against Tottenham got that nasty cut on his knee which recurred in his next game. Enda Stevens has looked decent but has made couple of mistakes but he should get better.

We need another right back though since Lichaj obviously isn't good enough in either side and we don't have good enough backup for Lowton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2013, 11:20:19 AM: If we sort the midfield and central defence issues I think we can afford to let Stevens and Bennett fight it out for left back for the rest of the year. If neither has made it their own by the summer then we could look at bringing in a more experienced option at that point.

As I've said about Bennett before, to me he looks like he's ot the quality but he really needed to be signed early like Lowton was so he could benefit from training with the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 08, 2013, 11:21:24 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I think he's looked better than Bennett. I'm not at all convinced by Bennett, it's looking too much too soon for him so far.

Agree Paulie. Bennett's shown some nice touches here and there, but I think there are some questions about him defensively. Who knows, he may eventually turn out to be a left winger rather than a full-back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 11:24:19 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 08, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
If we sort the midfield and central defence issues I think we can afford to let Stevens and Bennett fight it out for left back for the rest of the year. If neither has made it their own by the summer then we could look at bringing in a more experienced option at that point.

Pretty much exactly as I see it to.

Plus, if we do sign Lescott both him and Clark are options for LB if we get real problems there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 11:34:35 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I think he's looked better than Bennett. I'm not at all convinced by Bennett, it's looking too much too soon for him so far.

Totally disagree, Bennett will be a quality player , he's had lots of injury problems this season but with a run of games and match fitness will prove a very good signing.
Stevens has been an able squad player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 08, 2013, 11:36:23 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

I really enjoy reading posts from the genuine MM and Pelty to give you a bit of an insight. I'll never forget the Sunday we drew at Blues and with the story breaking with Bent.

I know pelty mentioned a big signing but I believe it was mr dw who produced the name we all craved of mr db.

Dave got his info from Cheltenham Lion on that occasion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 11:37:08 AM: I think Bennett looks like he has plenty of potential going forward, he can beat a man quite easily. In fact he reminds me(albeit well short of the same class) as a Bale type player, comfortable going forward and dodgy defensively. So I think we need to sort out his defensive ability as I doubt he'll get to Bale's level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 08, 2013, 11:45:36 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on January 08, 2013, 10:56:18 AM
mentioned before that my brother in law knows PF in a business context and to a much lesser degree socially.he heard that there is a sell to buy policyin this window as the wage hogs are still causing a problem. Don't shoot the messenger, just what he told me and of course it could be total bollocks because he isn't MM, either the real one or the pretend one

Irony being the reason we want ride ,Wages is same reason no one will buy them.Given for instance NO club in their right mind is going to pay him 65k a week and he has 3.5 years left on his contract same with Ireland though fortunately he is down to 18 months.

Hutton we may get a fee for if takes a cut elsewhere to get game time

Warnock and Dunne we would be as well to just pay them off now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 11:49:14 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
I think Bennett looks like he has plenty of potential going forward, he can beat a man quite easily. In fact he reminds me(albeit well short of the same class) as a Bale type player, comfortable going forward and dodgy defensively. So I think we need to sort out his defensive ability as I doubt he'll get to Bale's level.

You could easily have said the same of Kyle Walker when he first arrived on loan with us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 12:40:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 08, 2013, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

I really enjoy reading posts from the genuine MM and Pelty to give you a bit of an insight. I'll never forget the Sunday we drew at Blues and with the story breaking with Bent.

I know pelty mentioned a big signing but I believe it was mr dw who produced the name we all craved of mr db.

Yeah it was actually!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2013, 01:12:32 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I'm not sure about him. He did alright against Man United, but was roasted at Swindon of all places.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2013, 01:17:52 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 08, 2013, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 08, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 10:47:58 AM
Well we definitely need some competition for Bennett at left back, so that'd be good.

I think Enda Stephens has done OK when called upon this year.

I'm not sure about him. He did alright against Man United, but was roasted at Swindon of all places.
I think we're very weak at left back. I prefer Stevens to Bennett. But, both are substandard at the moment. I'm sure they'll improve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mazrimsbruv on January 08, 2013, 01:25:57 PM: Aaahh yes...The Fannyclowns. I remember them from my trips to the circus as a child. Very avante garde, they were. There was one, (Griselda I think she was called) who used to pull six hundred feet of coloured ribbon from her Growler.

Memories...tsk...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 08, 2013, 01:37:43 PM: Quote from: mazrimsbruv on January 08, 2013, 01:25:57 PM
Aaahh yes...The Fannyclowns. I remember them from my trips to the circus as a child. Very avante garde, they were. There was one, (Griselda I think she was called) who used to pull six hundred feet of coloured ribbon from her Growler.

Memories...tsk...

Is that the girl who went on to appear in the Confused.com ads?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 01:52:27 PM: Quote from: mazrimsbruv on January 08, 2013, 01:25:57 PM
Aaahh yes...The Fannyclowns. I remember them from my trips to the circus as a child. Very avante garde, they were. There was one, (Griselda I think she was called) who used to pull six hundred feet of coloured ribbon from her Growler.

Memories...tsk...

Was that definitely not acid?

Karren Brady's fannyclown car was my favourite trick. How 26 grown men emerged from that I've no idea.
Especially side by side, juggling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2013, 02:57:53 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 08, 2013, 08:40:40 AM
The genuine Mysteryman is somebody worth listening to. He got let down with info regarding McLeish and got hammered for it but is usually fairly reliable.
He's not really around much any more which is a shame. I think some of the gobshites on VT annoyed him but he used to post here occasionally and should again.

He also said that Stephen Ireland wouldn't be bought as part of the Milner deal, then got really annoyed by a bloke on VT who knew Stephen Ireland and said that it would.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2013, 03:01:23 PM: They're all effin gobshites.

What will be, will be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 03:03:22 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 08, 2013, 03:01:23 PM
They're all effin gobshites.

What will be, will be.

Que sera Sera , were goin to wemberlee!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2013, 03:04:20 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 08, 2013, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 08, 2013, 03:01:23 PM
They're all effin gobshites.

What will be, will be.

Que sera Sera , were goin to wemberlee!

On the pitch!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2013, 06:39:23 PM: Spoke to Lescott's cousin today. Doesn't know anything, but he doubts he'd leave Cheshire, said he loves it up there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 08, 2013, 06:56:16 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2013, 06:39:23 PM
Spoke to Lescott's cousin today. Doesn't know anything, but he doubts he'd leave Cheshire, said he loves it up there.

in fairness Cheshire is a splendid place where all the best people come from
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 08, 2013, 07:17:18 PM: Quote from: john e on January 08, 2013, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2013, 06:39:23 PM
Spoke to Lescott's cousin today. Doesn't know anything, but he doubts he'd leave Cheshire, said he loves it up there.

in fairness Cheshire is a splendid place where all the best people come from
Isn`t Douglas Herbert Ellis from Cheshire?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 08, 2013, 08:36:13 PM: One big galoot in midfield. We need a clogger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 08:37:55 PM: A quality centre half, quality left back and quality centre mid. Sign them now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: johncvilla88 on January 08, 2013, 08:42:27 PM: Do a Joe Lewis and take Bannan off for Guzan!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 09:44:39 PM: Changed my mind, Bennett is a worse player than me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on January 08, 2013, 09:47:58 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 09:44:39 PM
Changed my mind, Bennett is a worse player than me.

He doesn't seem to be living up to the hype!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 09:48:02 PM: Sign two quality defenders, two quality centre mids or we are fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 10:05:11 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2013, 09:48:02 PM
Sign two quality defenders, two quality centre mids or we are fucked.

Left back, centre back, holding mid and creative mid. All in 3 weeks.

We are buggered. And not due to who he signed last summer, but because we still needed 3-4 more to make a squad!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 08, 2013, 10:08:47 PM: I have to admit, games like today make me wish we still had James Collins and even Warnock in the back four.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 08, 2013, 10:09:59 PM: Our flurry of games is over now so hopefully any signings can be sorted sooner rather than later.
The squad is probably so broken emotionally that I do not think there is much Lambert can say or coach in the immediate future however a signing could give everyone a needed boost. I'm not sure what else there is he can do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: treeve1 on January 08, 2013, 10:42:17 PM: I even saw Ryan Nelson leaving QPR to go to Canada this afternoon and thought about taking him hostage and making him sign for us. Fookin desperation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 08, 2013, 10:48:44 PM: Well bent won't be sold now he's injured- as for transfers , why have we not moved sooner- we are weak and have had months to target players - depressing time to be a villa fan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 08, 2013, 10:51:48 PM: So, Lambert was watching Riise the other week?

He and Keane would be a start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Leighton on January 08, 2013, 10:57:42 PM: I hate him with a passion, and it's a sign of the times of how bad things are- but I keep wondering if Joey Barton is worth a punt.

I feel like I need to go and shower with bleach just at the thought...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:04:09 PM: I can't believe I am about to say this - and I am sure it won't happen - but I'd actually seriously think about bringing Warnock back in. Bennett is clearly not up to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: treeve1 on January 08, 2013, 11:05:36 PM: and to think we have warnock, hutton and makoun out on loan. Just terrible. They aren't the answer long term, but this is six steps back to try and take one forward and we need every single person available we possibly can. And to think Warnock got us back into the game against blackburn 3 years ago after we went two down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 08, 2013, 11:05:54 PM: Definitely think Warnock is worth a look. He's on a free in the Summer so will need to find some form to secure his last big contract. Same goes for Dunne.

Also agree about Barton. Thought it recently. We could do a lot worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 11:13:06 PM: We need leaders. I know people hate the idea, but Reo Coker would be first on my list on a free. Battles and leads.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: treeve1 on January 08, 2013, 11:20:20 PM: I was talking to my dad about Martin Laursen earlier, and it nearly brings me to tears when I think how good and committed he was and how far away we are now. Where is the next Laursen, Mellberg or even Alpay, Calderwood or Ronny Johnsen!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 08, 2013, 11:25:53 PM: I'd have Warnock back in midfield TBH. Lambert is probably too stubbon to do that though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 08, 2013, 11:29:55 PM: I would have gone for Barton at the end of the August window. I have very few scruples where Villa are concerned and midfield was an obvious problem even then.

I saw Warnock play pre-season at Forest and he was utter shite. However, I thought the brief experiement of him in midfield was a decent result. I'd have him back just because of his workrate and tenacity. Joe Bennett is fast approaching Hutton levels of being the worst Villa player I've ever seen pull on the shirt.

Not convinced by Reo-Coker at all. Even on Saturday he contributed nothing against the very same players that we're slating tonight. What would you use him for? Can't pass, can't tackle. He's like Holman but older.

As for Dunne and Vlaar, I can only think they've had limbs amputated, because I've never known 'knocks' to keep out players for such a length of time without a proper explanation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 08, 2013, 11:33:07 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
We need leaders. I know people hate the idea, but Reo Coker would be first on my list on a free. Battles and leads.
He didn't against us on Saturday,looked so slow. Warnock in midfield,however...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2013, 11:37:42 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
We need leaders. I know people hate the idea, but Reo Coker would be first on my list on a free. Battles and leads.

Reo-Coker's idea of "leading" seems to consist of standing and pointing a lot, and organising the pre-match huddle.

Not good enough two years ago, not good enough now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 08, 2013, 11:49:12 PM: While I don't exactly jump at the idea of bringing Warnock or Hutton back in, after a night like tonight it does heep the pressure on Lambert's decision to isolate them so ruthlessly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 08, 2013, 11:50:31 PM: Quote from: Leighton on January 08, 2013, 10:57:42 PM
I hate him with a passion, and it's a sign of the times of how bad things are- but I keep wondering if Joey Barton is worth a punt.

I feel like I need to go and shower with bleach just at the thought...
Lee Bowyer and Lee Hughes are out of contract as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 12:09:14 AM: Now is not the time to run around like headless chickens signing shite players. More than ever we have to get it right.
We dont need players who simply "battle" or "get stuck in" we need proper footballers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 09, 2013, 12:16:10 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 12:09:14 AM
Now is not the time to run around like headless chickens signing shite players. More than ever we have to get it right.
We dont need players who simply "battle" or "get stuck in" we need proper footballers.

I agree, but chances are some of the ones we have could be 'proper footballers' if they had some grit around them. El-Ahmadi, for example. I have no idea what he's for - maybe he's useless after all - but he could be a different footballer in a midfield where he didn't have to worry too much about regaining the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 09, 2013, 12:18:13 AM: NRC is absolutely shit. He'd fit right in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on January 09, 2013, 12:37:07 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 08, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
We need leaders. I know people hate the idea, but Reo Coker would be first on my list on a free. Battles and leads.

You obviously didn't see him on saturday then, He was shite!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 12:43:14 AM: We dont need to look back in the failbox. Plenty of players out there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 09, 2013, 12:53:54 AM: I'd go for Phil Neville. Serious. Offer him a coaching role, pay him more than Everton Just get some backbone in there ffs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 12:55:22 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 09, 2013, 12:53:54 AM
I'd go for Phil Neville. Serious. Offer him a coaching role, pay him more than Everton Just get some backbone in there ffs.
Yep,out of contact at the end of season go get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2013, 01:03:23 AM: I don't know if Neville is the answer or not but we need that type of player that comes from a winning culture. Or at least is the type of personality that doesn't just accept losing. Vlaar fits that in my opinion and him being out has been horrendous. But when you look at most of the rest of the squad and especially those who are pre-Lambert all they've known is losing and disappointment. We simply have to purge that from the club. It's a giant anchor holding us back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2013, 01:17:39 AM: I'm starting to think Lambert should be grovelling to Hutton and Warnock
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 09, 2013, 01:22:46 AM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 09, 2013, 01:03:23 AM
I don't know if Neville is the answer or not but we need that type of player that comes from a winning culture. Or at least is the type of personality that doesn't just accept losing. Vlaar fits that in my opinion and him being out has been horrendous. But when you look at most of the rest of the squad and especially those who are pre-Lambert all they've known is losing and disappointment. We simply have to purge that from the club. It's a giant anchor holding us back.

Lambert needs a dominant personality in the team to ensure his instructions are followed. I can't believe he tells them to play like clueless fannys, so Neville would scare the shit out of the youngsters and if he got any problems from the older wasters he could just ask them to compare medals. Offer Everton a couple of million, give him a 2 year contract. If his legs goes before then it's a darn sight cheaper than relegation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 01:27:07 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 09, 2013, 01:22:46 AM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 09, 2013, 01:03:23 AM
I don't know if Neville is the answer or not but we need that type of player that comes from a winning culture. Or at least is the type of personality that doesn't just accept losing. Vlaar fits that in my opinion and him being out has been horrendous. But when you look at most of the rest of the squad and especially those who are pre-Lambert all they've known is losing and disappointment. We simply have to purge that from the club. It's a giant anchor holding us back.

Lambert needs a dominant personality in the team to ensure his instructions are followed. I can't believe he tells them to play like clueless fannys, so Neville would scare the shit out of the youngsters and if he got any problems from the older wasters he could just ask them to compare medals. Offer Everton a couple of million, give him a 2 year contract. If his legs goes before then it's a darn sight cheaper than relegation
And he could tell his brother to circle them on his big Ipad on a Monday if they have been shit.It's a win win.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2013, 01:32:26 AM: For the first time I am genuinely worried, the defence at this present time is at best inept, the cover from the midfield is non existent.

I think we need 2 centre halves, Vlaar is AWOL and Clark & Baker look hopelessly out of their depth, in fact I think Clark is failing his audition to be centre half & captain pretty spectacularly. Lescott and Dawson were my first choices but can't see either happening.

Also need experienced full backs - definitely a left back who knows how to defend first and foremost.

Team without a leader is also a worry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 01:37:07 AM: Quote from: Gareth on January 09, 2013, 01:32:26 AM
For the first time I am genuinely worried, the defence at this present time is at best inept, the cover from the midfield is non existent.

I think we need 2 centre halves, Vlaar is AWOL and Clark & Baker look hopelessly out of their depth, in fact I think Clark is failing his audition to be centre half & captain pretty spectacularly. Lescott and Dawson were my first choices but can't see either happening.

Also need experienced full backs - definitely a left back who knows how to defend first and foremost.

Team without a leader is also a worry.

I have a clipboard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 09, 2013, 01:42:41 AM: No way i would have Hutton back but Warnock for all his faults is a better left back than what we have and Collins would be a better centre back than what we can get on the pitch at the moment. Yes they are both crap but it goes to show how far we have fallen. We just don't need a couple of players we need four or five of quality to see any improvement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 01:50:07 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 09, 2013, 01:42:41 AM
No way i would have Hutton back but Warnock for all his faults is a better left back than what we have and Collins would be a better centre back than what we can get on the pitch at the moment. Yes they are both crap but it goes to show how far we have fallen. We just don't need a couple of players we need four or five of quality to see any improvement.
He is also a better DM than Delph.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 09, 2013, 01:51:11 AM: Clark and Baker have shown some good qualities this season. I wouldn't describe them as shite. If we were in a better position I'd say persevere with them and live with the mistakes; they will leatrn from them.

However in the position we are in, we can no longer afford that. We need to buy a CB, we also need Vlaar fit soon.

Midfield has been a weak spot all season. We need two or three there.

I wouldn't want Ireland, Warnock, Hutton and now NZobia on the books regardless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 02:50:43 AM: The serious contemplation of a comeback for Warnock is honestly the most depressing thing I've read on here tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 02:53:21 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 02:50:43 AM
The serious contemplation of a comeback for Warnock is honestly the most depressing thing I've read on here tonight.
Any better idea?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 03:05:08 AM: Sign a good midfielder to play in midfield instead of him and play Stevens at left back instead of the lamentable Bennett. Stevens hasn't looked that bad. Certainly not as bad as Bennett has and Warnock did last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 04:21:51 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 02:50:43 AM
The serious contemplation of a comeback for Warnock is honestly the most depressing thing I've read on here tonight.
I think the fact we are openly contemplating it highlights just how lacking in quality we are. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 09, 2013, 04:46:12 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 03:05:08 AM
Sign a good midfielder to play in midfield instead of him and play Stevens at left back instead of the lamentable Bennett. Stevens hasn't looked that bad. Certainly not as bad as Bennett has and Warnock did last season.
I hope to god we have the money to sign a good midfielder.I am welling up thinking about when signed really good ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2013, 05:44:42 AM: Just get someone in, christ. Do something to pick the fans up. You're just going to let us drown in this misery? Give out shirts, have a lottery, give out some pies, sign a player for the love of god. If we can't get a win at least try to create a positive.

Come on Villa, you're slipping.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 06:37:55 AM: 9 days in and we haven't even been strongly linked with anyone despite us having one of the worst teams in living memory. This is Randy Lerner's Aston Villa. An absolute clusterfuck of a mess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 06:58:10 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 06:37:55 AM
9 days in and we haven't even been strongly linked with anyone despite us having one of the worst teams in living memory. This is Randy Lerner's Aston Villa. An absolute clusterfuck of a mess.
THIS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 07:06:36 AM: Are there any decent players in the Championship that can come in and help sort this mess out defensively?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:07:43 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 07:06:36 AM
Are there any decent players in the Championship that can come in and help sort this mess out defensively?

That's all we need. More lower league players!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 07:11:31 AM: If they have a bit of experience and know how to defend properly, I could not give a feck if they came for the angolan 6th division. Probably better than our current shower.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:15:12 AM: Splash the cash and get someone like Christopher Samba from Russia and Lescott from Man City. There are others! Show some ambition, show us that we actually want to stay in the PL, because anymore signings from the lower leagues and all hope will be lost.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 07:19:28 AM: Samba would be a good signing, but as Dave pointed out he is on mega money in Russia.

Lescott has made it clear he is not going anywhere. Hangelaand might be an option for a good fee. In fac, Hangelaand and Riise together would be nice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:22:18 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 07:19:28 AM
Samba would be a good signing, but as Dave pointed out he is on mega money in Russia.

Lescott has made it clear he is not going anywhere. Hangelaand might be an option for a good fee. In fac, Hangelaand and Riise together would be nice.

Yes I'd take that. Experience is what we need. Not naive kids who are not, and never will be good enough for the PL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 07:27:45 AM: This place will implode once dale Stephens is confirmed as our first signing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:30:02 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 07:27:45 AM
This place will implode once dale Stephens is confirmed as our first signing

And rightly so. Another cheap lower league nobody dressed up as another "young and hungry" prospect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 09, 2013, 07:36:13 AM: I was never convinced the young kids (some are not that young) were of prem standard and the results back this up, we do have experienced players Ireland,Gabby,Nzogbia and Bent who should be leaders on the field but who are all (maybe Gabby aside) just appear to be going throught he motions. Knowing how precarious our position is you would have thought we would be leading the pack in new recruits, and this is from someone who thinks Lambert isn't the one to blame for our predicament.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 07:55:29 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:30:02 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 07:27:45 AM
This place will implode once dale Stephens is confirmed as our first signing

And rightly so. Another cheap lower league nobody dressed up as another "young and hungry" prospect.
Brace yourselves then
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 09, 2013, 09:02:10 AM: A week into the transfer window, given our desperate situation, you'd think we'd be eager to sign some experienced players, but no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2013, 09:28:02 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 09, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
A week into the transfer window, given our desperate situation, you'd think we'd be eager to sign some experienced players, but no.

Lambert has said ''we'll be fine'' - ''we won't get relegated'' ''we go again'' and all that crap which is becoming increasingly irritating. The only reason he acted late in August was the 1-3 Everton result. We got lucky at Swansea and I wonder if last night's result will finally awaken the board from it's slumber before it's too late?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 09:40:31 AM: Sign two experienced defenders and two expereinced midfielders now. There is no time to waste, the Southampton game is a tipping point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 09, 2013, 09:54:58 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
Sign two experienced defenders and two expereinced midfielders now. There is no time to waste, the Southampton game is a tipping point.

I agree but can't see it happening - maybe lambert with his constant "we'll be fine " crap has persuaded Lerner things are not as bad as they look- I just feel so low today about the situation that I can't see anything to be positive about.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 09, 2013, 10:04:44 AM: Bradfords whole team cost £7500 k can't we just buy all of them can't too anyworse than the current crop we have
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 09, 2013, 10:08:50 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 09, 2013, 10:04:44 AM
Bradfords whole team cost £7500 k can't we just buy all of them can't too anyworse than the current crop we have

Don't tempt fate- wouldn't surprise me if lambert snapped up a couple of them and threw them into our team- what quality players can we attract now , relegation would be financial disaster and to be honest With our wages we could go down the Leeds route.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on January 09, 2013, 10:15:10 AM: I think you're right eastie - the worry is we know where quality strengthening is needed but given our current plight attracting the right calibre of player is going to be difficult. I think the best we'll do is a couple of loans to see us to the end of the season. Lescott or maybe Dawson would be good but not sure that's realistic and I can't even put a name on a midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 09, 2013, 10:25:32 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 09, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 09, 2013, 10:04:44 AM
Bradfords whole team cost £7500 k can't we just buy all of them can't too anyworse than the current crop we have

Don't tempt fate- wouldn't surprise me if lambert snapped up a couple of them and threw them into our team- what quality players can we attract now , relegation would be financial disaster and to be honest With our wages we could go down the Leeds route.

Do the players have reduction clauses in their contracts for if we are relegated? Or will they all continue to pick up their bumper wage packets? If they do we could well be starting a slide down a long slippery slope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM: Let's be realistic - signing the quantity of players we are talking about simply isn't going to happen in January. What we need is to focus on quality over quantity and look for those new players to bring the best out of what we already have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 09, 2013, 10:37:41 AM: I agree with John. It's quality that we have got be looking for. Getting in better than what we have has to be the key.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 10:47:16 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 07:30:02 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 07:27:45 AM
This place will implode once dale Stephens is confirmed as our first signing

And rightly so. Another cheap lower league nobody dressed up as another "young and hungry" prospect.

Too bloody right.

"Young and hungry" is fast becoming a cliche and it's really starting to get on my tits.

We just want players who are good enough.

I think Hangeland and Distin are out of contract in the summer. Short term deals would be good? If Olsson from West Brom is really available for 3million, he'd be a bargain.

You watch Admiral Ackhbar- face call in a few favours, play the system and end up with a solid defence at QPR by the end of Jan. Even that Ben Haim as a free agent would do a job for us at the minute.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 10:58:51 AM: A third of the month gone and still not even a whisper of a player coming in. What Lerner has done to this club is unforgivable.
We are going down unless we spend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 09, 2013, 11:22:36 AM: I'm not sure what you mean by 'whisper', but there have been links to players, Lescott being the strongest one so far. We can't know what's going on behind the scenes, so I guess we have no choice but to sit tight and see who turns up stretching the shirt!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on January 09, 2013, 11:37:54 AM: I think two or three decent signings would make a world of difference. One or two defenders and a midfielder. But obviously we need both PL quality and expeience from them. Even if only on loan. Lescott would be a huge boost. As has been mentioned Hangeland and Distin are coming to the end of their contracts, as is Toure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 09, 2013, 11:43:39 AM: Lambert needs to get his arse in gear and sign some experience quickly. I know its early in the window but frankly the end of month could be too late for both us and him. We could be out of both cups and bottom 3 by then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:45:39 AM: I think a signing or two behind the scenes could also make a world of difference. A coach, a DOF, just someone to help an inexperienced manager who's unable to properly organise a very inexperienced group of players right now.
Otherwise I can't really see even 2-3 decent signings making a huge difference. Enough to survive perhaps, but not with any degree of comfort.
We definitely need better players in though. That's patently clear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 11:53:51 AM: Quote from: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:45:39 AM
I think a signing or two behind the scenes could also make a world of difference. A coach, a DOF, just someone to help an inexperienced manager who's unable to properly organise a very inexperienced group of players right now.
Otherwise I can't really see even 2-3 decent signings making a huge difference. Enough to survive perhaps, but not with any degree of comfort.
We definitely need better players in though. That's patently clear.

Signing 2-3 players to shore up the defence would make a hell of a difference. And it could be the difference between PL or Championship football next season. Nothing could be more important than that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:59:55 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:45:39 AM
I think a signing or two behind the scenes could also make a world of difference. A coach, a DOF, just someone to help an inexperienced manager who's unable to properly organise a very inexperienced group of players right now.
Otherwise I can't really see even 2-3 decent signings making a huge difference. Enough to survive perhaps, but not with any degree of comfort.
We definitely need better players in though. That's patently clear.

Signing 2-3 players to shore up the defence would make a hell of a difference. And it could be the difference between PL or Championship football next season. Nothing could be more important than that.
Unfortunately I don't foresee Lambert making the right signings, or having enough backing to do so. Arguably, aside from Lowton at RB, our back four is complete tosh. Vlaar might prove his worth once he returns but we've no one at CH good enough to keep the line together and solid. My worry is we'll struggle to attract anyone good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 12:07:47 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:59:55 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: supertom on January 09, 2013, 11:45:39 AM
I think a signing or two behind the scenes could also make a world of difference. A coach, a DOF, just someone to help an inexperienced manager who's unable to properly organise a very inexperienced group of players right now.
Otherwise I can't really see even 2-3 decent signings making a huge difference. Enough to survive perhaps, but not with any degree of comfort.
We definitely need better players in though. That's patently clear.

Signing 2-3 players to shore up the defence would make a hell of a difference. And it could be the difference between PL or Championship football next season. Nothing could be more important than that.
Unfortunately I don't foresee Lambert making the right signings, or having enough backing to do so. Arguably, aside from Lowton at RB, our back four is complete tosh. Vlaar might prove his worth once he returns but we've no one at CH good enough to keep the line together and solid. My worry is we'll struggle to attract anyone good enough.

Baker and Clark are both good enough alongside someone else, together they're just too inexperienced. We really need a leader back there to organise things and let the younger players concentrate on their own game, Hangeland would be perfect.

Same with midfield really, we need someone to take on the pressure of bossing the midfield so we can let the likes of Westwood and Bannan play their won game, but with some instruction.

We look like a team of individuals who barely know each other at the minute.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM: Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2013, 12:14:44 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?

Jesus would be good right now
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 09, 2013, 12:15:42 PM: What we need now is a lift.
Even if we spend big on one player to give the club and the fans something to go on.

A statement of ambition. Why are the club so happy now to be lower league fodder?
I like bringing in young players but for God's sake give them a fighting chance with a couple of quality players around them.

If I could have one type of player only, it would be an absolute class centre mid. Even if it meant no other signings, we'd cope but we're desperate for a bit of leadership and class in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2013, 12:15:58 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?
Upson no. The other two possibly, though I think Gallas would half ass it, while we'd need someone quick alongside Carragher, and we've no pace at all in defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 12:19:34 PM: To be frank we should have been sounding out and establishing targets way before the start of Jan. It's clear our defence and midfield aren't up to it. So we should be signing players pretty much immeadiately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 09, 2013, 12:25:09 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 12:19:34 PM
To be frank we should have been sounding out and establishing targets way before the start of Jan. It's clear our defence and midfield aren't up to it. So we should be signing players pretty much immeadiately.

This is the most worrying thing, Liverpool were very thin upfront, Sturridge had his medical before the window even opened.

We should have had our targets lined up and ready, it WILL be too late, if we wait till the end of January.

What's happened with this Dale Stephens chap, he would make a huge difference to our current team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 09, 2013, 12:27:35 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 09, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 12:19:34 PM
To be frank we should have been sounding out and establishing targets way before the start of Jan. It's clear our defence and midfield aren't up to it. So we should be signing players pretty much immeadiately.

This is the most worrying thing, Liverpool were very thin upfront, Sturridge had his medical before the window even opened.

We should have had our targets lined up and ready, it WILL be too late, if we wait till the end of January.

What's happened with this Dale Stephens chap, he would make a huge difference to our current team.
Maybe,as someone said they're waiting to see what happens at Southampton before giving PL any more cash.Randy may panic and sack him especially if it's a heavy defeat
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 09, 2013, 12:31:53 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?

Jesus would be good right now

He'd be hopeless...he no good on crosses.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 09, 2013, 12:35:41 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 09, 2013, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 09, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 12:19:34 PM
To be frank we should have been sounding out and establishing targets way before the start of Jan. It's clear our defence and midfield aren't up to it. So we should be signing players pretty much immeadiately.

This is the most worrying thing, Liverpool were very thin upfront, Sturridge had his medical before the window even opened.

We should have had our targets lined up and ready, it WILL be too late, if we wait till the end of January.

What's happened with this Dale Stephens chap, he would make a huge difference to our current team.
Maybe,as someone said they're waiting to see what happens at Southampton before giving PL any more cash.Randy may panic and sack him especially if it's a heavy defeat

I think that maybe randy has doubts about lambert and is not giving him the backing this month, if he does replace him then it has to be fast as we are in the transfer window and anyone coming in would need to sign players .

Trouble is there aren't many candidates out there that I can see , unless he plumps for a foreign coach .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 09, 2013, 12:36:20 PM: Quote from: æv on January 09, 2013, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?

Jesus would be good right now

He'd be hopeless...he no good on crosses.

But claimedly he's best there is on miracles, that's what we need now more than crosses.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 12:50:35 PM: With jesus' record with Bread and Fish you just know Dunne would give it a go with Pies and Guinness though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2013, 12:57:10 PM: Got a feeling Bradford won't have that young Bermudan striker for the second leg. Deano was raving about him even before kick off. Think he will be Wolves bound!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 01:01:35 PM: I am refusing to buy the idea that there are no big useful centre backs in the Championship. I would take Chester and Watts from Leeds and Hull over the ones we have at the moment, at least they look the part. Clark moves to left back where he would be much more solid, and we could build a real back 4.

Guzan back in for the second leg too, convinced the 3rd Given could have saved.

Palacios on loan for 6 months too must be worth a go to stiffen up the midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 09, 2013, 01:11:52 PM: go and get Hangeland on a permanent deal and Parker on loan until season end
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 01:14:40 PM: Hangeland is definitely a good option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 01:15:58 PM: Buy a solid top centre half for the long term, loan or buy a good centre half some top club aren't using to cover Vlaar if his injuries are persitent.
Buy a top defensive midfielder, maybe an all rounder with good passing and an energetic attacking playmaker with vision. And a left back, definitely.

Do it now.

Guzan
Douglas Vlaar
Lowton Cavanda
Sissoko
Westwood Stephens
Coutinho
Weimann Benteke

There, something like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 01:20:26 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Buy a solid top centre half for the long term, loan or buy a good centre half some top club aren't using to cover Vlaar if his injuries are persitent.
Buy a top defensive midfielder, maybe an all rounder with good passing and an energetic attacking playmaker with vision. And a left back, definitely.

Do it now.

Guzan
Douglas Vlaar
Lowton Cavanda
Sissoko
Westwood Stephens
Coutinho
Weimann Benteke

There, something like that.

The thing is that's 5 more players who've never played in the premier league and would need time to settle.

Hangeland ahead of Douglas for the time being.
Agree with Sissoko and Coutinho.
Not sure at left back.
Even if we sign Stephens I wouldn't want him straight into the team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 01:23:50 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Buy a solid top centre half for the long term, loan or buy a good centre half some top club aren't using to cover Vlaar if his injuries are persitent.
Buy a top defensive midfielder, maybe an all rounder with good passing and an energetic attacking playmaker with vision. And a left back, definitely.

Do it now.

Guzan
Douglas Vlaar
Lowton Cavanda
Sissoko
Westwood Stephens
Coutinho
Weimann Benteke

There, something like that.

The thing is that's 5 more players who've never played in the premier league and would need time to settle.

Hangeland ahead of Douglas for the time being.
Agree with Sissoko and Coutinho.
Not sure at left back.
Even if we sign Stephens I wouldn't want him straight into the team.

You might - he is 6"1 and can pass to a team mate. As such, is more use than Bannan and Delph.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2013, 01:33:02 PM: for all of the shit thrown at Stoke, and believe me I never want to see us play football as they do, Pulis has managed to put together one fo the very best defences in the top flight for very little money. When you consider what we've shelled out and discarded over the part fives years on our defence including goalkeeper in that time it makes you cry. Pulis had a plan to stay in the top flight and as detestable as it can be most of the time it has worked. I completely appreciate that our targets should be set higher than Stoke, but surely it cannot be that hard to get 4 defenders to work together and execute the basic principles of defending? McLeish failed at it with more experienced players and Lambert has taken that to another level albeit with much less experience.

What we need is a player or two in that defence to once again instil confidence. Somebody who is a proven leader. Guzan and Lowton are fine. Clark and Baker will be in time, but only if they are brought along by a strong character or two. If Vlaar and Dunne were a CB's today we wouldn't be discussing some of the complete batterings we've taken. As it is we are. As for the LB, I'm massively concerned and truth be told we've never replaced Freddie. I don't know if Bennett will make it, but right now neither he, Stevens or Lichaj are the answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyellis on January 09, 2013, 01:35:36 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 01:15:58 PM
Buy a solid top centre half for the long term, loan or buy a good centre half some top club aren't using to cover Vlaar if his injuries are persitent.
Buy a top defensive midfielder, maybe an all rounder with good passing and an energetic attacking playmaker with vision. And a left back, definitely.

Do it now.

Guzan
Douglas Vlaar
Lowton Cavanda
Sissoko
Westwood Stephens
Coutinho
Weimann Benteke

There, something like that.

The thing is that's 5 more players who've never played in the premier league and would need time to settle.

Hangeland ahead of Douglas for the time being.
Agree with Sissoko and Coutinho.
Not sure at left back.
Even if we sign Stephens I wouldn't want him straight into the team.

You might - he is 6"1 and can pass to a team mate. As such, is more use than Bannan and Delph.
The detail we can discuss till the cows come home its the principle of what needs doing asap that we can all see so surely this can't be evading those who are supposed to be running a major premiership football club?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 09, 2013, 01:37:01 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?

Jesus would be good right now

He's only available until Easter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 09, 2013, 02:19:44 PM: Don't go in much for this Twitter nonsense but "Aston Villa" is trending worldwide. We're that much of a laughing stock!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2013, 02:22:25 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 09, 2013, 02:19:44 PM
Don't go in much for this Twitter nonsense but "Aston Villa" is trending worldwide. We're that much of a laughing stock!

it doesn't matter. All that shit is temporary. What remains are the issues that are local. Only a few short weeks ago (yes, it feels like much longer) we had just beaten Liverpool and people were talking glowingly of us again. It's that quick that it goes from good to shit and to good again. We have to look after our own business quickly irrespective of what anyone else outside of this parish says, writes or tweets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 02:22:44 PM: I'll never ever be embarrassed of this club no matter what happens and anybody that wants to have a go at us can suck my swingers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 09, 2013, 02:32:37 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 09, 2013, 02:22:44 PM
I'll never ever be embarrassed of this club no matter what happens and anybody that wants to have a go at us can suck my swingers.

This. I pity the infidel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM: If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2013, 02:45:11 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.

As talented as Ince is, Blackpool will screw any club for the better part of 6 or 7 mil and especially in January. We just need experience now and not the Steve Hunt/Andy Blair type.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 09, 2013, 02:47:44 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.
Trouble is ,there are no signs of either of these coming back.It's very frustrating
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on January 09, 2013, 02:51:18 PM: I heard Vlaar is 1-2 weeks...?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 09, 2013, 02:54:48 PM: Quote from: DB on January 09, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
I heard Vlaar is 1-2 weeks...?
What source ? That would be great
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 09, 2013, 03:13:14 PM: Quote from: DB on January 09, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
I heard Vlaar is 1-2 weeks...?

They said the same 6 weeks ago, Vlaar tweeted himself that he expected to be fit for Liverpool away but seems no closer , his record of injuries I'd really bad in his career though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.

I wouldn't rely on Dunne or Vlaar returning. If you had to prioritise two positions an experienced centre half and centre mid are priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 03:28:28 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.

I wouldn't rely on Dunne or Vlaar returning. If you had to prioritise two positions an experienced centre half and centre mid are priority.

I agree, which is frustrating because centre half shouldn't be a priority and that money should be available to spend on a creative player instead, but we can't let the defensive side of things carry on as it is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimmy Rimmer on January 09, 2013, 03:41:06 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.

I wouldn't rely on Dunne or Vlaar returning. If you had to prioritise two positions an experienced centre half and centre mid are priority.

I agree, which is frustrating because centre half shouldn't be a priority and that money should be available to spend on a creative player instead, but we can't let the defensive side of things carry on as it is.

Agree entirely - shoring up the centre, at the back and in the middle, with LEADERS, has to be the priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 09, 2013, 04:24:09 PM: we need new Mellberg and Laursen and Bouma, for defence, and new Roy Keanr/Andy Townsend and Gordon Sidney Cowans and Tony Morley/Ashley Young for team. I think we should try Di Maria from Real Madrid on loan for winger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2013, 04:32:37 PM: Although PL seems to be against the loan option, he shouldn't rule it out entirely. To get us through this complete mess of a season he should explore the option as there is often more scope. Kyle Walker was a good example - Houllier did well in the January 2011 window with him and the Bent purchase but not so well with Makoun. My worry is that Lambert seems to believe the current crop don't require assistance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 09, 2013, 04:37:47 PM: I think any Jan business will be done with knowledge of how close Vlaar and Dunne are to playing again. If they're gonna be out the majority of the rest of the season, CB becomes THE priority, but if back soon then I'd be focusing on a midfielder.

Looking at the game yesterday, our main tactical problem was a disconnect between the midfield and attack. N'Zogbia is more of a wide player, so we need a No10 to dropoff the frontline and link things up. Ireland shouls/could be this player, but I doubt he will be now, so that's what else I'd be looking for - this seasons Robbie Keane!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 09, 2013, 04:43:51 PM: We STILL havent signed anybody?????

I know I sound like a whiner, but sod it, after the past few weeks I am entitled. This is ridiculous, we have known we need strengthening for weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 09, 2013, 04:46:03 PM: This is the most worrying thing, Liverpool were very thin upfront, Sturridge had his medical before the window even opened.

We should have had our targets lined up and ready, it WILL be too late, if we wait till the end of January.

What's happened with this Dale Stephens chap, he would make a huge difference to our current team.
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On what basis?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 04:47:16 PM: Would he make a huge difference to our team?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 04:47:52 PM: Actually scratch that, I forgot how poor our team is. I genuinely could have done better at left back than Bennett last night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 09, 2013, 04:49:17 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM
If it were up to me and I had the £10m Lambert supposedly has then I'd try and sign Riise, Livermore on loan and try and tempt Blackpool into selling Ince.

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.

I wouldn't rely on Dunne or Vlaar returning. If you had to prioritise two positions an experienced centre half and centre mid are priority.

Even if their injuries have healed, they have still got to get back to match fitness which will take time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 04:49:42 PM: We need, in no particular order: left back, centre back, central midfielder, attacking midfielder. The attacking midfielder is the least of our worries to be honest, as shoring up everything else would certainly help us establish footholds in games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 09, 2013, 04:52:32 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
We need, in no particular order: left back, centre back, central midfielder, attacking midfielder. The attacking midfielder is the least of our worries to be honest, as shoring up everything else would certainly help us establish footholds in games.

I agree with that Monty and would probably add a wide player as well. As it stands, I just can't see us bringing in that many players in this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 09, 2013, 04:52:41 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 09, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 09, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

Scraping the barrel there, but those three and a returning Vlaar and Dunne might be enough.
Trouble is ,there are no signs of either of these coming back.It's very frustrating

Whilst I understand Dunne and Vlaar are not fit to play football could their knowledge and experience not be put to good use on the training pitch. Surely we should be putting Dunne and Vlaar out on the training pitches to at the very least try and instill some sort of organisation and belief into those currently tasked with keeping the gate closed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 04:53:40 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 09, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
We need, in no particular order: left back, centre back, central midfielder, attacking midfielder. The attacking midfielder is the least of our worries to be honest, as shoring up everything else would certainly help us establish footholds in games.

I agree with that Monty and would probably add a wide player as well. As it stands, I just can't see us bringing in that many players in this window.

Maybe attacking midfielder/wide player. I've said before, Marko Marin on loan would seem to make sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: astonwalle on January 09, 2013, 05:12:02 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:53:40 PM

...Marko Marin on loan would seem to make sense.

No! Definitely not! He is no leader-type. He is just another inexperienced (PL-) player, small, lightweight. No!
I´ve seen him for years here in Bremen, very frustrating.
And also an ambarrassing diver. Gosh!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 05:13:37 PM: Quote from: astonwalle on January 09, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:53:40 PM

...Marko Marin on loan would seem to make sense.

No! Definitely not! He is no leader-type. He is just another inexperienced (PL-) player, small, lightweight. No!
I´ve seen him for years here in Bremen, very frustrating.

Well, I bow to your superior knowledge of him, but I'm not thinking we need leadership in attacking midfield, we need a bit of spark. Marin certainly has more than Zog or Albrighton, wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 09, 2013, 05:19:26 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 09, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
We need, in no particular order: left back, centre back, central midfielder, attacking midfielder. The attacking midfielder is the least of our worries to be honest, as shoring up everything else would certainly help us establish footholds in games.

I agree with that Monty and would probably add a wide player as well. As it stands, I just can't see us bringing in that many players in this window.

Maybe attacking midfielder/wide player. I've said before, Marko Marin on loan would seem to make sense.

If we are going to go back to the 4-2-3-1 formation then N'Zogbia and Albrighton are only genuine wide options. I agree that we need a playmaker in the AM role, but we desperately need some better wide options if we are going to play that formation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: astonwalle on January 09, 2013, 05:20:20 PM: Well, I think everyone might be better than Zog...
And I still think we need more experience in the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 05:20:48 PM: Quote from: astonwalle on January 09, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
Well, I think everyone might be better than Zog...
And I still think we need more experience in the squad.

Definitely, especially in defence and in midfield, I feel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 09, 2013, 05:27:17 PM: Forget left back. Get Warnock back in there.

Spend the minimal money we have on a big defensive mid and a solid experienced defender. Any left over on another midfielder. Box to box, passer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 09, 2013, 05:36:13 PM: Just seen this retweet

@tancredipalmeri: Coutinho's agent to FcInterNews: "Aston Villa contacted us, they want him. But with all due respect to the offer, still nothing concrete"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 05:39:20 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 09, 2013, 05:36:13 PM
Just seen this retweet

@tancredipalmeri: Coutinho's agent to FcInterNews: "Aston Villa contacted us, they want him. But with all due respect to the offer, still nothing concrete"

He's quite good, but playing for Inter ain't what it used to be. Still, certainly an upgrade on what we have now!

I see some joker's edited his Wiki rather craftily.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM: I would love Coutinho, really really love it, but it comes to something when I would be more excited to sign Rob Huth and Wilson Palacios!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 05:44:26 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
I would love Coutinho, really really love it, but it comes to something when I would be more excited to sign Rob Huth and Wilson Palacios!

Yeah, the lack of solidity is killing us even more than our lack of goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 09, 2013, 05:46:58 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 09, 2013, 04:46:03 PM

This is the most worrying thing, Liverpool were very thin upfront, Sturridge had his medical before the window even opened.

We should have had our targets lined up and ready, it WILL be too late, if we wait till the end of January.

What's happened with this Dale Stephens chap, he would make a huge difference to our current team.

On what basis?
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On the basis, he is a bloody midfielder. We don't have any.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 06:03:53 PM: I see Mikael Silvestre is without a club at the minute. His best days are long gone but on a 6 month deal to help the kids out?

Also didn't realise Mazrims mate Douglas is out of contract in the summer. Don't know too much about him but if Inter are sniffing round then he can't be too shabby.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 06:05:26 PM: I just want us to sign some big hard defenders and midfielders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2013, 06:06:45 PM: Defenders and defensive midfielder first please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 06:12:05 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
I would love Coutinho, really really love it, but it comes to something when I would be more excited to sign Rob Huth and Wilson Palacios!

Hasn't been the same since his brother was kidnapped and killed or something like that. Should stay well clear IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 06:32:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
I would love Coutinho, really really love it, but it comes to something when I would be more excited to sign Rob Huth and Wilson Palacios!

I agree. I remember a few years back someone memorally referred to Huth as a 'German threshing machine'. We could use a German threshing machine at the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 06:37:49 PM: I think signing douglas permanently and loaning an older player would be perfect, Carvalho - not getting a game and has been linked to QPR so should be possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 09, 2013, 06:53:25 PM: Danny Graham to Sunderland for 4mil......and Sunderland sign http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20962396

Wtf is happening?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mal on January 09, 2013, 06:58:55 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 09, 2013, 06:53:25 PM
Danny Graham to Sunderland for 4mil......and Sunderland sign http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20962396

Wtf is happening?

That's good news. It may have escaped your attention but we do NOT need a striker. FFS buy a centre half!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 07:00:16 PM: So MON has finally realised that you can sign players from abroad. Just when I think I can't hate him anymore. Grrr...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 07:01:44 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 06:37:49 PM
I think signing douglas permanently and loaning an older player would be perfect, Carvalho - not getting a game and has been linked to QPR so should be possible.

Carvalho would be a good shout, though I'm still not keen on him for that tackle on Gabby a few years back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2013, 07:01:53 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
So MON has finally realised that you can sign players from abroad. Just when I think I can't hate him anymore. Grrr...

He must have spotted him while scouting Scott Carson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2013, 07:19:04 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
So MON has finally realised that you can sign players from abroad. Just when I think I can't hate him anymore. Grrr...

He must have spotted him while scouting Scott Carson.

very good!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 09, 2013, 07:41:55 PM: A German threshing machine may prevent those we play becoming Villa thrashing machines.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 09, 2013, 07:48:11 PM: Quote from: æv on January 09, 2013, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2013, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Just checking further, Gallas, Carragher and Upson are all also available in the summer. Any one of those three on a short deal and nominal fee now would help us.

Jesus. Gallas, Carragher and Upson. How desperate things have things become?

Jesus would be good right now

He'd be hopeless...he no good on crosses.

Well we do need a miracle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2013, 08:11:18 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 09, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 09, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
So MON has finally realised that you can sign players from abroad. Just when I think I can't hate him anymore. Grrr...

He must have spotted him while scouting Scott Carson.

Don't (David) geddi(s)t.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 09, 2013, 08:23:33 PM: Whats Owen Hargreaves up to? He'd be useful if kept fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 09, 2013, 08:26:18 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on January 09, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
Whats Owen Hargreaves up to? He'd be useful if kept fit.

According to Wikipedia he's been training with QPR but remains unsigned. Not a bad shout but I'd say he's too much of a risk with his injury record.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 09, 2013, 08:49:45 PM: Well if were going for a has been, I'd still go for Mellberg, still playing for div 2 Spain, best player on the pitch against England in the Euro's only a few months ago, so can't be to shabby,
Loads of experience, knows and loves Villa,

What a sight to see him leading out the young players and Helping them and guiding them through the second half of the season to safety, no doubts about him caring as he would give his right arm to help out in a player plus defensive coach type roll for say 18 months
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM: What's George Curtis doing these days?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 09, 2013, 08:57:37 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
What's George Curtis doing these days?
...and pair him with big Dick Edwards!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 09, 2013, 09:22:58 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
What's George Curtis doing these days?
Last seen sitting in a corner pulling the heads off whippets
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 09:28:48 PM: And shoving them up the arses of fourth division forwards for their temerity in threatening the goal he was defending!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 09, 2013, 09:43:29 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 09, 2013, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 09, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
Whats Owen Hargreaves up to? He'd be useful if kept fit.

According to Wikipedia he's been training with QPR but remains unsigned. Not a bad shout but I'd say he's too much of a risk with his injury record.

He'd fit right in with Vlaar, Bent, Dunne, Albrighton et al, then...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 09, 2013, 09:50:45 PM: Come on Lambert. wtf you waiting for. We need a no nonsense CB a creative and defensive MF and an attacking pacy LB. simple ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 09, 2013, 10:33:49 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 09, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 09, 2013, 06:37:49 PM
I think signing douglas permanently and loaning an older player would be perfect, Carvalho - not getting a game and has been linked to QPR so should be possible.

Carvalho would be a good shout, though I'm still not keen on him for that tackle on Gabby a few years back.

I maintain that he was the reason Chelsea were so good 05/06. He covered terry's mistakes quickly, read the game well and closed down the opposition so that they could never get a shot at 25 yards. In fact, I'd bite your hand off for Carvalho.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 09, 2013, 10:37:14 PM: I saw sicknote Dyer was released by QPR today as well. Play for pay deal, 2 grand a week, if he want's to salvage his reputation he'd be mad to turn that down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 09, 2013, 11:05:09 PM: Things are a bit dire at the moment but we don't need Kieron.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 09, 2013, 11:31:31 PM: It's a no from me for Dyer.

Never rated him and he doesn't play in a position we desperately need to strengthen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:29:01 AM: Kieron Dyer?

Jesus Christ. Have the last five years in which he has been almost permanently injured passed you by?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2013, 12:29:33 AM: Barrell scraped
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:40:10 AM: Well this wouldn't be scraping the barrell... apparently Inter have turned down a 10m+ euro offer from us for Coutinho.
Given our need for defenders and midfielders if we have that sort of wedge for this kid we must have some money to spend.

Or somebody has lost their mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 12:45:58 AM: Randy is gonna spend 300 million.Dont sweat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:48:41 AM: Oh fo sho. Fo sho.

Also hearing a few rumours we've bid for Cavanda, Fuck knows how true that is though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 12:49:30 AM: Remember that, a month ago when we were putting together a list of targets, the link between midfield and attack was our real weakness, with us just not creating chances for Benteke and Weimann. Coutinho at that point would've been exactly the right player to spend big money on. That our defense has fallen apart since has changed the goal posts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 10, 2013, 01:23:26 AM: The fact that Inter have found a buyer for Sneijder has probably scuppered our Coutinho bid as they don't need to sell now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on January 10, 2013, 03:10:49 AM: I wouldn't mind someone like Stefan Reinartz from Leverkeusen, only 24 is 6'2" defensive midfielder who can also play at CB and has about 100 games Bundesliga experience and hasn't played for the national team yet... probably get him for around 4-5 million.

Edit: Just noticed he does have 1 full international cap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 10, 2013, 05:22:08 AM: Quote from: john e on January 09, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
Well if were going for a has been, I'd still go for Mellberg, still playing for div 2 Spain, best player on the pitch against England in the Euro's only a few months ago, so can't be to shabby,
Loads of experience, knows and loves Villa,

What a sight to see him leading out the young players and Helping them and guiding them through the second half of the season to safety, no doubts about him caring as he would give his right arm to help out in a player plus defensive coach type roll for say 18 months

Mellberg would walk into this team.

We need a hairy viking-type, B6 isn't the same without one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 06:56:35 AM: Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
What's George Curtis doing these days?

Would love that sort of defender at the villa now.

Old George is feeling his knees a bit these days - in his 70s and still an imposing man , I know him fairly well through his daughter jackie and believe me he is still not a man to upset.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 06:58:42 AM: Coutinho would be awesome and to for a player like that would makes me feel excited for the future, but in the short term we need defenders and strong midfield player or two. IF we can afford all great, but first instance the spine needs to be put in place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 07:40:16 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
What's George Curtis doing these days?

Would love that sort of defender at the villa now.

Old George is feeling his knees a bit these days - in his 70s and still an imposing man , I know him fairly well through his daughter jackie and believe me he is still not a man to upset.

We met George at Vic Crowe's funeral and he is still what they call a big unit. Players like that don't come along very often. Broke his nose at Notts County in the first minute and refused to come off. There are pictures of him with his nose smashed across his face. He wasn't called the Iron Man for nothing. Send him my best wishes, Eastie, and let him know that he is fondly remembered by those of us who were fortunate enough to see him play for Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 07:54:28 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 07:40:16 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
What's George Curtis doing these days?

Would love that sort of defender at the villa now.

Old George is feeling his knees a bit these days - in his 70s and still an imposing man , I know him fairly well through his daughter jackie and believe me he is still not a man to upset.

We met George at Vic Crowe's funeral and he is still what they call a big unit. Players like that don't come along very often. Broke his nose at Notts County in the first minute and refused to come off. There are pictures of him with his nose smashed across his face. He wasn't called the Iron Man for nothing. Send him my best wishes, Eastie, and let him know that he is fondly remembered by those of us who were fortunate enough to see him play for Villa.

Will do dc5 , pity he came to villa at the end of his career and not the beginning- a colossus of a man.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2013, 08:08:36 AM: Big Olof could be ideal for 5-18 months. Country mile better than anything we have at CH to be honest. He was good in the Euro's too, looked in good nick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 10, 2013, 08:28:30 AM: Keiron Dyer FFS! He probably fractured his wrist whilst waving good bye to his QPR team mates.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 08:48:53 AM: Can't see Sneijder going to Turkey. It would be a shame as he belongs in a top league.
Anyway, its possible it affects our bid for Coutinho but he's either going to be used or he isn't and if he isn't then they'll want money for him. I don't think an £8m (so cheap) bid for Sneijder balances the books but we'll see. Could be the first of a few bids as was the case with Benteke for instance.

But the fact we're bidding that much for what you might argue is a little down the list of priorities (no that we dont need a player like that) is encouraging.
Maybe we should hijack Galatasarays bid for Sneijder ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 08:52:09 AM: Looks like we'll be going into the Southampton game without any new arrivals to lift the squad then. Just hope we don't get a similar reaction to the one after the chelsea game because there's three or four players in that team who need to be taken out the firing line and quick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 08:53:19 AM: Absolutely agree with that but doubt he would come though (maz that is)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 08:54:37 AM: Still nothing on the defence front then? fucking hell, I'm getting a bit nervous now. I appreciate there's still lots of days left in the month, but we need reinforcements immeadiately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 09:01:36 AM: Let's get Cutis Davies back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 10, 2013, 09:04:36 AM: Christ why not re-sign Aaron Hughes, Steven Davis, and Eirik Bakke?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:07:44 AM: In fairness Aaron Hughes would be a better option at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 09:08:52 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 08:54:37 AM
Still nothing on the defence front then? fucking hell, I'm getting a bit nervous now. I appreciate there's still lots of days left in the month, but we need reinforcements immeadiately.
My worry is,is that we are just not an attractive proposition at the moment.We've hit the worst possible form at the worst possible time and the one thing we had going for us The League cup final we've practically thrown that away too.It's all very depressing.We needed people in from day 1 of the transfer window and it hasn't happened.Couldn't believe it when PL said he'd get the cup game out of the way before looking at transfers.Why???? Most other clubs can manage to play important games and sign players at the same time
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 09:10:15 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 09:01:36 AM
Let's get Cutis Davies back.

I did'nt think he was that bad when he was here, he was ok up until his shoulder injury. There's better out there though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 10, 2013, 09:15:11 AM: What about Darren Anderton, Michael Owen and Kieron Dyer? They could all sit in the treatment room until 6 weeks before the World Cup and then declare themselves fit for selection. Definitely worth a gamble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:17:53 AM: Just sign a couple of quality defenders and midfielders Lambert. We need players in now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:27:25 AM: Our team is notorious for keeping potential transfers very tightly under the wraps, remember last summer when the transfers of Westood for example only became to light when it was basicly done and dusted?

I'm not sure is our MO better than, for example, Liverpool's who leaks almost everything, at least their fans know who the potential targets are but they can run into the trouble that some other club tries to hijack the transfer or player/selling team starts to demand more money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:36:41 AM: Lerner's in a stick or bust situation. Don't spend and we look likely to be in the thick of it come May. Spend and we could still be in the thick of it come May but with an extra 20m on the wage bill. The sensible option is to get experienced players on loan or negotiate lower wages with them if we get relegated but thats hardly going to be an attractive option to many players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 09:39:13 AM: Carlton Palmer would add a bit of steel to the midfield aswell as a small head.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:40:21 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:27:25 AM
Our team is notorious for keeping potential transfers very tightly under the wraps, remember last summer when the transfers of Westood for example only became to light when it was basicly done and dusted?

I read an interview with Westwood where he said he knew nothing about a potential deal until the day it happened - deadline day, I think - and that there had been no contact from Villa up to that point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM: It has been obvious since November that an extra midfield player was required as the ones presently on the books, as a collective unit, were deficient. Surely somebody has been identified and the process could have been put in place at the back end of December to enable the deal to go through at the start of the window?

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:44:49 AM: Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

It looked to me the look of a PL manager who has just watched his team lose to a League Two side, and in the most frustrating way possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 10, 2013, 09:45:37 AM: martin swain from the express and star just tweeted that olsen from the olbeyun is being hawked around by his agent letting clubs know he has a £4m release clause in his contract. i mentioned this last week, he could be very good for us. qpr have shown interest in him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:47:48 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:27:25 AM
Our team is notorious for keeping potential transfers very tightly under the wraps, remember last summer when the transfers of Westood for example only became to light when it was basicly done and dusted?

I read an interview with Westwood where he said he knew nothing about a potential deal until the day it happened - deadline day, I think - and that there had been no contact from Villa up to that point.

To be fair to PL he had only had a few weeks to assess what he had in match situations and presumably thought that he needed someone of Westwood's technique late on in the month and did the deal. But since then he has had another 3 months up to the end of November to see what he had and what is needed so could have started to get the ball rolling in December, surely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 09:47:58 AM: Olsen at 4 should be gobbled up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 10, 2013, 09:48:06 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

It looked to me the look of a PL manager who has just watched his team lose to a League Two side, and in the most frustrating way possible.

Yes. And in my view any criticism of his body language, demeanour and passive-aggressive post-match mumbling has to be viewed in that light.

Imagine you have just had the worst possible day at work, and before you go home you have to go through it on television, with some tosser from Sky pretending to be your mate but actually trying to make you look a twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 09:48:20 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

It looked to me the look of a PL manager who has just watched his team lose to a League Two side, and in the most frustrating way possible.
In the pre match presser he said there was nothing imminent
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:51:06 AM: Indeed £4-5 million for Olsson would be ideal for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 09:51:15 AM: If Olsson is available from WBA for £4m then we must sign him. Also, see if they'll throw in Mulumbu and all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:51:58 AM: Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM
It has been obvious since November that an extra midfield player was required as the ones presently on the books, as a collective unit, were deficient. Surely somebody has been identified and the process could have been put in place at the back end of December to enable the deal to go through at the start of the window?

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

I wouldn't undertand it in million years if Lambert haven't seen how utterly horrendous our midfield is apart from Westwood and how badly we need some steel into it. If Lerner & Faulker have put "Sell to Buy" policy now it's just utterly suicidical since getting rid of high earners is nigh impossible apart from probably Bent and without new players we're 100% doomed for relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 09:56:58 AM: I can't stand Olsson. I can't put my finger on why i dislike him so much but i do. He's never really stood out for me either whenever i've seen him. Perhaps he's one of those players who you don't appreciate until he plays for you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:02:07 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM
It has been obvious since November that an extra midfield player was required as the ones presently on the books, as a collective unit, were deficient. Surely somebody has been identified and the process could have been put in place at the back end of December to enable the deal to go through at the start of the window?

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

I wouldn't undertand it in million years if Lambert haven't seen how utterly horrendous our midfield is apart from Westwood and how badly we need some steel into it. If Lerner & Faulker have put "Sell to Buy" policy now it's just utterly suicidical since getting rid of high earners is nigh impossible apart from probably Bent and without new players we're 100% doomed for relegation.

Trouble is Lambert obviously bought into this go with youth policy when he took the job. Now he has to go back to them and say "actually its a daft idea Paul/Randy and we need 20m on new players". Obviously the likes of Martinez saw the "plan" off the record and ran a mile
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 10:08:13 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 06:58:42 AM
Coutinho would be awesome and to for a player like that would makes me feel excited for the future, but in the short term we need defenders and strong midfield player or two. IF we can afford all great, but first instance the spine needs to be put in place.
Would be gutted to see us miss out on exactly the sort of player Villa have been crying out for years due to our current injury/defence crisis.
For years we've been really good at being solid and boring and now we get the chance to sign a Brazilian genius and we're going to have to turn him down to get in a grafter..
Would be a shame!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 10:12:54 AM: Can't see why Olsson would risk the hatred of Albion fans by moving to us when we're in a far worse position?
He wouldn't, he'd go to someone top 6 though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 10, 2013, 10:16:59 AM: How about Gattuso on a 2 year deal? Left milan for Sion last summer (I think). Could do a job marshalling our kids for at least half a season and I wouldn't think he'd cost the earth at his age. He's 35 but if he still has the rage inside him he could be perfect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 10:17:46 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: fredm on January 10, 2013, 09:41:08 AM
It has been obvious since November that an extra midfield player was required as the ones presently on the books, as a collective unit, were deficient. Surely somebody has been identified and the process could have been put in place at the back end of December to enable the deal to go through at the start of the window?

Or was the look on Lambert's face Tuesday night the realisation that a) he has been told that no one is coming in, or b) he has been telling RL that the lads are fine and we don't need anyone else, and the debacle on Tuesday showed him quite clearly that what he has is not good enough and it is now too late to start looking for anyone else without panicking.

I wouldn't undertand it in million years if Lambert haven't seen how utterly horrendous our midfield is apart from Westwood and how badly we need some steel into it. If Lerner & Faulker have put "Sell to Buy" policy now it's just utterly suicidical since getting rid of high earners is nigh impossible apart from probably Bent and without new players we're 100% doomed for relegation.

Trouble is Lambert obviously bought into this go with youth policy when he took the job. Now he has to go back to them and say "actually its a daft idea Paul/Randy and we need 20m on new players". Obviously the likes of Martinez saw the "plan" off the record and ran a mile

How could Martinez 'see the plan' when we never actually spoke to him?

The policy has never been just to buy kids. If you look at the 9 summer signings, including Guzan, then 4 of them are in the 25-30 bracket, plus what we already had at the club. Rather, it's a matter of trying to spot the next Milner, Ash, etc. early and not need to pay circa £10m and £80k a week for them. It's early days, but in Westwood, Lowton and Benteke we may well have done that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:19:20 AM: if Olsson has a £4m release clause then why has £5m from QPR been rejected?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 10, 2013, 10:19:27 AM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 10:12:54 AM
Can't see why Olsson would risk the hatred of Albion fans by moving to us when we're in a far worse position?
He wouldn't, he'd go to someone top 6 though.

£££
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 10:19:53 AM: Where's that Patrick Viera protege that we once had......Isaiah ...? the prophet? perhaps he could foretell the future and tell us when our messiah will come to restore us back to our true position as McGrath's chosen people
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 10, 2013, 10:20:09 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
if Olsson has a £4m release clause then why has £5m from QPR been rejected?

£2 million of it was for Redknapp's dog
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:20:26 AM: Bizarrely I had a dream last night we signed Milner on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:22:23 AM: Thanks Damon, He's a good boy that dog
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 10, 2013, 10:28:03 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:22:23 AM
Thanks Damon, He's a good boy that dog

He's a top, top, top dog and I'd love to walk him but of course he's somebody else's dog.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 10:29:02 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 10:19:53 AM
Where's that Patrick Viera protege that we once had......Isaiah ...? the prophet? perhaps he could foretell the future and tell us when our messiah will come to restore us back to our true position as McGrath's chosen people
Isiah Osbourne, fuck me, he was shit. MON stuck him on £20k a week for 4 years I heard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 10:31:25 AM: This Coutinho business, is a winger really a priority? I don't know anything about him but the lack of backbone to our team is the problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 10:36:50 AM: He's not a winger although he can play wide. He's more of an marauding attacking midfielder off the front men. Like Kaka or Ronaldo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 10:40:25 AM: Quote from: damon green on January 10, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:22:23 AM
Thanks Damon, He's a good boy that dog

He's a top, top, top dog and I'd love to walk him but of course he's somebody else's dog.

Excellent :-))
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 10:42:21 AM: Pete Colley from Sky Sports has tweeted we are not in Coutinho
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 10:42:50 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 10:19:53 AM
Where's that Patrick Viera protege that we once had......Isaiah ...? the prophet? perhaps he could foretell the future and tell us when our messiah will come to restore us back to our true position as McGrath's chosen people
Isiah Osbourne, fuck me, he was shit. MON stuck him on £20k a week for 4 years I heard.

Went to Forest, then Hibs and then Gollum signed him for Blackpool where I think he still is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 10:47:56 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 10:36:50 AM
He's not a winger although he can play wide. He's more of an marauding attacking midfielder off the front men. Like Kaka or Ronaldo.

Fair enough, well that'd be nice. Hopefully though we are prioritising the defence and midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 10:49:48 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 10:42:21 AM
Pete Colley from Sky Sports has tweeted we are not in Coutinho

Which means nothing to me (ohhhhhhhh Vienna).
We may or may not be in for him but SKY won't confirm it for me either way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: myf on January 10, 2013, 10:50:44 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 10, 2013, 09:45:37 AM
martin swain from the express and star just tweeted that olsen from the olbeyun is being hawked around by his agent letting clubs know he has a £4m release clause in his contract. i mentioned this last week, he could be very good for us. qpr have shown interest in him.

He'd be ideal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 10:55:05 AM: Problem with Olsen is that he isn't going to swap a Euro qualifying campaign for a relegation fight unless we pay him a lot more then he's worth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 10, 2013, 10:55:17 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2013, 10:20:26 AM
Bizarrely I had a dream last night we signed Milner on loan

If only!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM: Well its ten days into the window and as of yet nothing. People were saying he and his scouts would have identified targets throughout Europe.....but I would have expected one in by now.

Perhaps he has been in contact with the 'gaffer' seeking advice.

We will probably end up with Titus Bramble if that is the case!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 10, 2013, 11:03:54 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 10:55:05 AM
Problem with Olsen is that he isn't going to swap a Euro qualifying campaign for a relegation fight unless we pay him a lot more then he's worth.

Give him a sensible deal with a whopping bonus if we retain PL status this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:04:52 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
Well its ten days into the window and as of yet nothing. People were saying he and his scouts would have identified targets throughout Europe.....but I would have expected one in by now.

Perhaps he has been in contact with the 'gaffer' seeking advice.

We will probably end up with Titus Bramble if that is the case!

Perhaps there is a reason no money been spent ! it Really Does Matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2013, 11:07:54 AM: A defender in before this weekend's match would have been nice. It's kind of an important game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:08:50 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 11:07:54 AM
A defender in before this weekend's match would have been nice. It's kind of an important game.

Robust Defender Maybe?
Or a Reliable Defensive Midfielder?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 11:16:32 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:04:52 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
Well its ten days into the window and as of yet nothing. People were saying he and his scouts would have identified targets throughout Europe.....but I would have expected one in by now.

Perhaps he has been in contact with the 'gaffer' seeking advice.

We will probably end up with Titus Bramble if that is the case!

Perhaps there is a reason no money been spent ! it Really Does Matter.

It's not because of what that Fannyclown wrote on Twitter anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 11:17:10 AM: Must get it Right Down the Middle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:21:11 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 11:17:10 AM
Must get it Right Down the Middle.

Bang on dc5 !

Rubbish in Defence and Midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 11:21:50 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 10:55:05 AM
Problem with Olsen is that he isn't going to swap a Euro qualifying campaign for a relegation fight unless we pay him a lot more then he's worth.

I bet he would. It's only Albion for Christ sake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 10, 2013, 11:22:13 AM: There appear to be some subliminal messages above, can't see if happening though. Really Don't Mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:28:43 AM: Anyways lets see what happens if Randy Decides to spend Money..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 10, 2013, 11:29:35 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 10:42:21 AM
Pete Colley from Sky Sports has tweeted we are not in Coutinho

Which means nothing to me (ohhhhhhhh Vienna).
We may or may not be in for him but SKY won't confirm it for me either way.
have Sky got him stood outside BH yet ?
He'll need his big coat on soon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 11:29:44 AM: Well I'd be amazed if we sign someone before the weekend now. The club really seems to not realise how urgent it is that we get some quality into the defence and midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 11:34:17 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 11:29:44 AM
Well I'd be amazed if we sign someone before the weekend now. The club really seems to not realise how urgent it is that we get some quality into the defence and midfield.
The club may have Reasons Delaying Movement
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 11:38:08 AM: I doubt that somehow, and frankly that wouldn't exactly thrill me either. It's our playing staff that need supplementing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:40:32 AM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 10, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 11:29:44 AM
Well I'd be amazed if we sign someone before the weekend now. The club really seems to not realise how urgent it is that we get some quality into the defence and midfield.
The club may have Reasons Delaying Movement

Hmmm interesting thought , I have no idea what you mean though .

Perhaps Randy Demands More.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 11:45:24 AM: What the fuck are you guys babbling on about? Are you hinting that Lambert is about to get the Spanish archer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2013, 11:46:13 AM: Is there a reason you're making all these shit Roberto Di Matteo hints?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:46:23 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 11:45:24 AM
What the fuck are you guys babbling on about? Are you hinting that Lambert is about to get the Spanish archer?

I have no idea as to what you are referring maz .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2013, 11:48:27 AM: *Runs off to Twitter to see what Eastie is implying*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 11:49:11 AM: Back Olsen apparently QPR offering £50k a week rising to £60k if they stay up ,,,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 10, 2013, 11:51:19 AM: I had a couple of cryptic messages last night using those three initials, I thought it was just a wind up. Now after reading the last two pages I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 11:51:46 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
Is there a reason you're making all these shit Roberto Di Matteo hints?

Exactly my thoughts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 11:54:28 AM: @Mazrimowshtybowsh_itk:

#Owshtybowsh
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM: I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ricky on January 10, 2013, 11:54:54 AM: AVFCMysteryman on, yip twitter is saying if we lose on Saturday Lambert is gone and RD Matteo will be our new manager.... Bollox I say but I know nothing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 10, 2013, 11:56:55 AM: If that's true about RDM it just shows how utterly inept the owners are.

He won with Chelsea because he allowed the egos run the team. They didn't want AVB.

Villa is a different proposition.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:58:09 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 10, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
If that's true about RDM it just shows how utterly inept the owners are.

He won with Chelsea because he allowed the egos run the team. They didn't want AVB.

Villa is a different proposition.

Vision of Ireland and Hutton pinning up team sheet , worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2013, 11:59:21 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 10, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
If that's true about RDM it just shows how utterly inept the owners are.

He won with Chelsea because he allowed the egos run the team. They didn't want AVB.

Villa is a different proposition.

He couldn't do any worse than Lambert, and might actually organise the defence a little better. Still, let's hope against hope that Lambert stops humiliating us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:00:37 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.

But is it not the manager who buys the players and decides the tactics? I'm not anti lambert but I do have serious doubts regarding him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:00:51 PM: Changing the manager isn't the answer. Getting in a couple of quality defenders and midfielders is the answer, combined with improved defensive coaching. It's as simple at that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 10, 2013, 12:01:44 PM: Quote from: peter w on January 10, 2013, 10:16:59 AM
How about Gattuso on a 2 year deal? Left milan for Sion last summer (I think). Could do a job marshalling our kids for at least half a season and I wouldn't think he'd cost the earth at his age. He's 35 but if he still has the rage inside him he could be perfect.

I mentioned Rino in June as below. We should have gone in for him. Past his best but could more than do a job.

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=46315.msg2074136#msg2074136
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:02:18 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.
Not entirely true.Lambert has been tactically inept on more than one occasion.Tuesday being the most apparent against 4 th division opponents
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM: Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:04:29 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 10, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
If that's true about RDM it just shows how utterly inept the owners are.

He won with Chelsea because he allowed the egos run the team. They didn't want AVB.

Villa is a different proposition.

He couldn't do any worse than Lambert, and might actually organise the defence a little better. Still, let's hope against hope that Lambert stops humiliating us.

Strictly speaking, he could do worse than Lambert.

There is no guaranteed "better results" option, no matter how poor results have been until now.

As for organising the defence, in the season he got sacked, Albion shipped 52 goals in 30 games - 1.73 goals per game, so not significantly better than our ratio.

There's not really any evidence he'd tighten up the defence at all. I seem to recall Albion fans moaning about that when he was with them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 10, 2013, 12:04:39 PM: Someone on Twitter in 'spouting bullshit' shock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:05:24 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

I wouldn't say significantly worse , his managerial cv stands up to lambert at Milton Keynes and also getting Albion promoted, that's without Chelsea - not saying he would be my choice but significantly worse , no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:06:22 PM: Quote from: Ricky on January 10, 2013, 11:54:54 AM
AVFCMysteryman on, yip twitter is saying if we lose on Saturday Lambert is gone and RD Matteo will be our new manager.... Bollox I say but I know nothing.
Ah, that explains why eastie is getting himself all excited again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Mine too. As I said further up the solution to our problems really is very simple. It requires four/five quality experienced players across the defence and midfield, with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM: Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:10:32 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Mine too. As I said further up the solution to our problems really is very simple. It requires four/five quality experienced players across the defence and midfield, with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.

If its that simple then why hasn't he done it?
From his interview last week he said he still firmly believes his policy of recruitment is the right one and experience guarantees nothing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:12:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.
This should have been a focus from the day PL took over.He knew we were shit last season and we have continued to be even more shit this season.Nowhere near enough experience bought into the defence in the Summer.Only one person to blame there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villasjf on January 10, 2013, 12:12:16 PM: We need a good coach to show them how to defend, set pieces like corners especially.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:13:34 PM: Quote from: villasjf on January 10, 2013, 12:12:16 PM
We need a good coach to show them how to defend, set pieces like corners especially.

Wasnt his head coach culverhouse a central defender himself? Can't see him changing that .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:14:47 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:12:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.
This should have been a focus from the day PL took over.He knew we were shit last season and we have continued to be even more shit this season.Nowhere near enough experience bought into the defence in the Summer.Only one person to blame there

Norwich conceded shitloads too, defence is not his strongest point .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:15:46 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Mine too. As I said further up the solution to our problems really is very simple. It requires four/five quality experienced players across the defence and midfield, with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.

If its that simple then why hasn't he done it?
From his interview last week he said he still firmly believes his policy of recruitment is the right one and experience guarantees nothing.

It is that simple, if the manager doesn't realise it it's his issue. However it is the solution to the problem, and it is very simple.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:17:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Mine too. As I said further up the solution to our problems really is very simple. It requires four/five quality experienced players across the defence and midfield, with a much better focus on defending with the coaching.

If its that simple then why hasn't he done it?
From his interview last week he said he still firmly believes his policy of recruitment is the right one and experience guarantees nothing.

It is that simple, if the manager doesn't realise it it's his issue. However it is the solution to the problem, and it is very simple.

I take your point but if the manager doesn't realise it then surely is something not wrong ? This is a crucial month in our season , why have we not had signings lined up when we have known for weeks where the problems lie or is there a reason that we haven't spent money?

Has randy got doubts in his mind whether this manager is the right man to take us forward?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 10, 2013, 12:17:30 PM: And why the silence over Vlaar? Embarrassed they've bought a busted flush? I hope not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:18:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: villasjf on January 10, 2013, 12:12:16 PM
We need a good coach to show them how to defend, set pieces like corners especially.

Wasnt his head coach culverhouse a central defender himself? Can't see him changing that .
We knew that last season.The fact that it hasn't been adressed is appalling
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2013, 12:19:50 PM: I want a manager who would get us results. I'm sick of us being shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 12:20:09 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion
Quote
I wouldn't want him. He MAY be able to tempt ageing Chelsea stars to join us but that's all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM: I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:24:34 PM: Considering the diabolical defence this season and the mystery of both Dunne and Vlaar's ongoing injuries you'd have thought we'd have had a couple of defenders lined up by now. We're a third of the way through the month and still nothing doing in the transfer market. We go from game to game and disaster to disaster and still Lerner and Lambert sit on their hands and do nothing.
It's almost like they couldn't give a fuck if we go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:25:12 PM: There were stories around last summer that randy wanted rdm but was waiting to see if Chelsea released him or kept him on which maybe would explain the long delay in appointing a manager , now he is available maybe randy sees him as a better option , who knows , but I think if lambert doesn't turn things around very fast then he must surely be fighting for his job - the last few weeks have been awful.

Equally there is no point changing a manager in 2 weeks time when the deadline is almost over - if he does make a change it would need to be soon .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:25:46 PM: I thought there might have been at least 1 in by now but maybe the player's he wants are not available. There's no point in signing just anybody. I know we need players, especially at the back but they need to be right as well. It'll be a case of wait and see i suppose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:26:29 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Worse than Graham Turner? Or McNeill?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:27:13 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:24:34 PM

It's almost like they couldn't give a fuck if we go down.
It has actually crossed my mind that maybe we are a club preparing for relegation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2013, 12:28:16 PM: You can coach as much as you like but if you're not naturally any good then the best coaching in the world might only get 10% more out of you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:28:20 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:25:46 PM
I thought there might have been at least 1 in by now but maybe the player's he wants are not available. There's no point in signing just anybody. I know we need players, especially at the back but they need to be right as well. It'll be a case of wait and see i suppose.

I accept that clampy but can we afford to wait and see, losing to saints on Saturday could be the difference between staying up and going down - playing the waiting game is a huge risk if we are dropping points while waiting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:28:25 PM: To be honest our defence and midfield are so poor there must be countless of options out in the market who could improve both areas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 10, 2013, 12:28:34 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?
He was sacked by West Brom because he couldn't stop the rot that had set in, and couldn't stop them losing games. Isn't that what people are saying about advocating Lamberts exit? IMO they are very similar, just that RDM was a very popular player at Chelsea, and was ready and waiting to take over them at just the right time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:28:57 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Worse than Graham Turner? Or McNeill?

His record so far is as bad. Obviously the season isn't over yet, but if he takes us down he'll be classed as even worse than those two muppets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:29:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.

But is it not the manager who buys the players and decides the tactics? I'm not anti lambert but I do have serious doubts regarding him.

He's far from blameless, but how much were his hands tied in the summer? You can blame him for KEA being poor, but not for the injuries to Dunne and Vlaar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:30:27 PM: Turner wasnt ready for a like like this , McNeill was a disaster , I wanted lambert for the job but sometimes a manager fits a certain club - I remember mike walker doing great things at Norwich but the step up to Everton proved a disaster , I hope this doesn't end the same way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:30:34 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:24:34 PM

It's almost like they couldn't give a fuck if we go down.
It has actually crossed my mind that maybe we are a club preparing for relegation

Yes, mine too. Packing the team out with kids on YTS wages will prepare us well for the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:31:29 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.

But is it not the manager who buys the players and decides the tactics? I'm not anti lambert but I do have serious doubts regarding him.

He's far from blameless, but how much were his hands tied in the summer? You can blame him for KEA being poor, but not for the injuries to Dunne and Vlaar.
He knew Dunne was injured when he came in.It was a huge risk just assuming he would get better and then purchase another player with an horrendous history of injuries as the other senior option
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:31:41 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:25:46 PM
I thought there might have been at least 1 in by now but maybe the player's he wants are not available. There's no point in signing just anybody. I know we need players, especially at the back but they need to be right as well. It'll be a case of wait and see i suppose.

I accept that clampy but can we afford to wait and see, losing to saints on Saturday could be the difference between staying up and going down - playing the waiting game is a huge risk if we are dropping points while waiting.

I meant wait and see as to who we bring in. Obviously the sooner we bring players in the better, that goes without saying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:32:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:30:27 PM
Turner wasnt ready for a like like this , McNeill was a disaster , I wanted lambert for the job but sometimes a manager fits a certain club - I remember mike walker doing great things at Norwich but the step up to Everton proved a disaster , I hope this doesn't end the same way.

Turner wasn't just "not ready", he was never good enough, ever. History tells us that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 10, 2013, 12:32:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:25:46 PM
I thought there might have been at least 1 in by now but maybe the player's he wants are not available. There's no point in signing just anybody. I know we need players, especially at the back but they need to be right as well. It'll be a case of wait and see i suppose.

Spot on clampy, who knows whats going on behind the scenes really? I just wish the board would keep us informed of their intentions but that would be showing their hand to the other clubs. It's annoying but we've got to wait to see I guess, f'all else we can do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 10, 2013, 12:32:32 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Lambert has been left with a lot of players from previous regimes who are no where near good enough. Giving him half a season to rectify that is harsh imo. I would think the same if he'd had 3 years at it, but calling him worse than some of crap managers we've experienced in recent times is way off the mark and sums up the instant success mentality that so many football fans have these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:32:49 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.

But is it not the manager who buys the players and decides the tactics? I'm not anti lambert but I do have serious doubts regarding him.

He's far from blameless, but how much were his hands tied in the summer? You can blame him for KEA being poor, but not for the injuries to Dunne and Vlaar.

Vlaar looks a decent player but his injury record is very poor , he does seem to pick up a lot of injuries .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:33:23 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Worse than Graham Turner? Or McNeill?

He certainly hasn't yet shown he is better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:34:42 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 10, 2013, 12:32:32 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Lambert has been left with a lot of players from previous regimes who are no where near good enough. Giving him half a season to rectify that is harsh imo. I would think the same if he'd had 3 years at it, but calling him worse than some of crap managers we've experienced in recent times is way off the mark and sums up the instant success mentality that so many football fans have these days.

He certainly inherited players who weren't good enough, but he actually went out and signed MORE players who aren't ready either. Absolute madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 12:34:59 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
Considering the diabolical defence this season and the mystery of both Dunne and Vlaar's ongoing injuries you'd have thought we'd have had a couple of defenders lined up by now. We're a third of the way through the month and still nothing doing in the transfer market. We go from game to game and disaster to disaster and still Lerner and Lambert sit on their hands and do nothing.
It's almost like they couldn't give a fuck if we go down.

Aye. Its not like we can afford to throw the Southampton game seeing its a 6 pointer even at this stage of the season. My guess is:

1. They've lost confidence in Lambert
2. They can't/won't attract the players lambert wants moneywise
3. They think we'll be ok with the presernt squad

1 seems unlikely, 2 is probably more near the mark, 3 doesn't bear thinking about.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 10, 2013, 12:36:16 PM: I don't want him sacked, I want him to sort out the basic problems.

Not closing people down quickly, like Baker for did for their second, or not challenging people in the box, Benteke for their third, or diving in and missing the ball and the player, Bennett countless times on Tuesday are the the things that can be worked on in training and drilled into players.

This is what he should be doing.

Or when you're two midfielders can't get space to move tell your centre half to bring the ball out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

There may come a time where time needs to be called on him but not now, not before he's had a chance to get a team together.
A lot of what he has been lumped with here is not of his own doing and he's also had some bad luck with injuries.
Not that I'm exonerating him of all blame mind you. I'm as sick of the current situation as the next man but I'm not yet at the stage where I believe he can't turn it around. This window is crucial to that end.

And there's no way I can agree that he's our worst manager in 30 years whatever the stats say. McLeish was far worse in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:37:33 PM: Ultimately it's randys money at stake and he must make whatever decision he sees best to keep this club in the premier league, it's all about staying up and if that means making tough decisions so be it .

Will he look at the current state of things and think " I'll give him another £20m to spend " or will he be thinking "I'm not sure this is the right man to be spending another £20m "

Maybe he is waiting to see how things go on Saturday but another heavy defeat could be the tipping point - Saturday is an absolutely huge game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:38:37 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 10, 2013, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I don't think changing manager would negate our need for a strong and experienced defender and midfielder.

Certainly agree with you , but why would it stop us signing those kind of players ?

It wouldn't. What I was getting at is that, IMO, our problems are player based and not manager based.

But is it not the manager who buys the players and decides the tactics? I'm not anti lambert but I do have serious doubts regarding him.

He's far from blameless, but how much were his hands tied in the summer? You can blame him for KEA being poor, but not for the injuries to Dunne and Vlaar.
He knew Dunne was injured when he came in.It was a huge risk just assuming he would get better and then purchase another player with an horrendous history of injuries as the other senior option

I very much doubt he assumed anything, but rather took the advice of his medical staff. But even then, was there enough money to buy and pay two new senior CBs?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:39:37 PM: Or he could just back him and trust in the decision he made in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:40:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:37:33 PM
Ultimately it's randys money at stake and he must make whatever decision he sees best to keep this club in the premier league, it's all about staying up and if that means making tough decisions so be it .

The decision on the manager doesn't need to be made. I think he can turn it around, provided he signs two experienced quality defenders and two experienced quality midfielders. Once that's done it will solve so many of our problems, lack of spine, quality and nous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:41:35 PM: Moussa Sissoko available for 3.5 million Euros. That is an absolute bargain and exactly what we need in midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on January 10, 2013, 12:43:22 PM: Quite, Norwich are a large club, sold more season tickets than we did last season (probably this season too). Hardly a miracle to get them back in the top flight, they're a bigger club than Fulham, QPR, Wigan etc., probably the Albion too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 10, 2013, 12:43:49 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.

Norwich had just been beaten 7-1 at home in their first game in league one when he took over (think it was his team Colchester who beat them). They may not be a small club, neither are many other clubs in the championship or league one who are still there. What he did at Norwich was superb. How did he get lucky with Holt by the way?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:44:08 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.

Let's be fair, he did a cracking job at Norwich, not only getting them promoted twice in successive season's but giving them a comfortable first season in the Prem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:45:27 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 12:41:35 PM
Moussa Sissoko available for 3.5 million Euros. That is an absolute bargain and exactly what we need in midfield.

Given our present position I'd rather someone with PL experience, but that aside he's a good option at a good price.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:48:28 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.

The size of the club is not pertinent. How long have Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday been struggling? He took a Norwich side that was on its arse in League 1 and just hammered by his own team, then hammered his old club in the return fixture, got them promoted and then, without spending all that much got them promoted to the Premier League and then comfortably mid table in their first season, outscoring all but the top 4 or 5.

If you dont think that is remarkable then I can't imagine what you think is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:44:08 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.

Let's be fair, he did a cracking job at Norwich, not only getting them promoted twice in successive season's but giving them a comfortable first season in the Prem.

Yes he did of course, that's why we went for him and most of us wanted him - sometimes though a club can be too big

for a manager , I hope that's not the case here - I hope we can beat saints and then go to Wembley and beat Swansea
Imagine the glory of a Wembley win, place in Europe and safety , but the other side of the coin is frightening - relegation would be a disaster financially and it cannot be stressed how big a game Saturday will be .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 12:49:14 PM: Sissoko would be out of our reach wages rise i reckon seeing PSG are the French Citeh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 12:49:31 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 10, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
I am coming round to the view that for one season of his managerial career Paul Lambert got lucky. Last season with Norwich in the Prem. The rest of his career is pretty average, and that is in the lower leagues. He has now been found out, and I think he realises it.

Sorry, that's simply inaccurate. He got Norwich promoted twice in consecutive seasons, which is an amazing feat.
If he fails at Villa it will probably be the first time he has disappointed in his entire career.

Why is it an amazing feat. By Championship and Leageue 1 standards, they are not exactly a small club. You could also claim he got lucky with Holt.

Norwich had just been beaten 7-1 at home in their first game in league one when he took over (think it was his team Colchester who beat them). They may not be a small club, neither are many other clubs in the championship or league one who are still there. What he did at Norwich was superb. How did he get lucky with Holt by the way?

Exactly. Don't look at the club but rather the team he inherited and where he was able to get them in 3 years.

EDIT: Maz has expressed my point much more eloquently above!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 10, 2013, 12:54:38 PM: He was also superb at Colchester and very highly rated not that any of their fans would admit to it now given the way he walked out on them after said win away at Norwich. I know a few Colchester fans and they loathe him for that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:58:12 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Apart from the fact that I hadn't heard the twitter rumour having already deleted the original poster - several of us used the code as a bit of fun but don't let that stop you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 12:59:31 PM: Getting worried we are not going to buy anyone no real links and vibes out of club are not good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , well you'd know all about that - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Half an hour or so of great debate with both sides posting well made points and interesting comments but then along come the snide comments of the same people - dissappointing yes , surprising no!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:03:46 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
Sissoko would be out of our reach wages rise i reckon seeing PSG are the French Citeh.

He's at Toulose I think. Moussa not Momo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 01:04:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Apart from the fact that I hadn't heard the twitter rumour having already deleted the original poster - several of us used the code as a bit of fun but don't let that stop you.
I hadn't heard a thing,but I've got work tonight,I'm bored and I'll do anything to get out of doing housework
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:04:20 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
Sissoko would be out of our reach wages rise i reckon seeing PSG are the French Citeh.
Is he at PSG now then? Did he move from Toulouse? I only know he played for them because he has been class on footy manager for the last three years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:04:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , clampy criticising me again - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Who said i was just criticising just you? I did'nt bring your name up, i was just adding my thought's to what Dave said. You're just getting a bit paranoid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:06:53 PM: Nope he's at Toulose, and is exactly the kind of player we need. That's an absolute bargain.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 10, 2013, 01:07:04 PM: Still at Toulouse, his only senior club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2013, 01:07:43 PM: For me RDM has achieved more than PL. Let's not get too silly about this. In no small measure to him, Chelsea won the FA cup and CL last season. Some might question just how much was down to him, but he did unite a squad that was tearing itself apart. To have sacked him so soon was ridiculous, after a short poor run. Rafa's come in and things have been even worse.

I would rather have RDM in charge here given the choice, but at the same time, I don't think he's got enough in his locker to turn us around within our budget either. As a manager who could persuade better players here, DM has more draw as well. He's well regarded on these shores and in Europe. At least more so than PL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:10:20 PM: I'm not sure on that Paul Lambert is known on the continent for his Champions League win, so not sure on the higher regard for Di Matteo. He let the Chelsea egos run that team, and they were incredibly lucky. He's not up too much and certainly not worth replacing Lambert with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:10:28 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:06:53 PM
Nope he's at Toulose, and is exactly the kind of player we need. That's an absolute bargain.
Aha, Greg is mistaken with Mohammed Sissoko who used to play for Liverpool, who is now at PSG.

Moussa would be very welcome. 6ft2 box to box powerhoouse 22yr old with 5 senior France caps.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:10:41 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 10, 2013, 01:07:43 PM
For me RDM has achieved more than PL. Let's not get too silly about this. In no small measure to him, Chelsea won the FA cup and CL last season. Some might question just how much was down to him, but he did unite a squad that was tearing itself apart. To have sacked him so soon was ridiculous, after a short poor run. Rafa's come in and things have been even worse.

I would rather have RDM in charge here given the choice, but at the same time, I don't think he's got enough in his locker to turn us around within our budget either. As a manager who could persuade better players here, DM has more draw as well. He's well regarded on these shores and in Europe. At least more so than PL.

Maybe randy would have more trust in rdm to spend a bit more do you think supertom, if he could attract a better quality of player?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM: Moussa Sissoko would be ideal I reckon. Just the sort of player we need.
I wanted us to sign him when Houllier came in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:13:44 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
Moussa Sissoko would be ideal I reckon. Just the sort of player we need.
I wanted us to sign him when Houllier came in.

Is that the same guy who had a spell at Liverpool maz?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 10, 2013, 01:15:25 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
Moussa Sissoko would be ideal I reckon. Just the sort of player we need.
I wanted us to sign him when Houllier came in.

Is that the same guy who had a spell at Liverpool maz?

no that was mo mo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 10, 2013, 01:15:29 PM: No that was Momo, see 2 posts up...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:15:50 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , clampy criticising me again - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Who said i was just criticising just you? I did'nt bring your name up, i was just adding my thought's to what Dave said. You're just getting a bit paranoid.
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , clampy criticising me again - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Who said i was just criticising just you? I did'nt bring your name up, i was just adding my thought's to what Dave said. You're just getting a bit paranoid.

Yeh right , paranoid no, bored of your sniping yes!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:16:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
Moussa Sissoko would be ideal I reckon. Just the sort of player we need.
I wanted us to sign him when Houllier came in.

Is that the same guy who had a spell at Liverpool maz?
No, I cleared that up a few posts above
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2013, 01:18:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 10, 2013, 01:07:43 PM
For me RDM has achieved more than PL. Let's not get too silly about this. In no small measure to him, Chelsea won the FA cup and CL last season. Some might question just how much was down to him, but he did unite a squad that was tearing itself apart. To have sacked him so soon was ridiculous, after a short poor run. Rafa's come in and things have been even worse.

I would rather have RDM in charge here given the choice, but at the same time, I don't think he's got enough in his locker to turn us around within our budget either. As a manager who could persuade better players here, DM has more draw as well. He's well regarded on these shores and in Europe. At least more so than PL.

Maybe randy would have more trust in rdm to spend a bit more do you think supertom, if he could attract a better quality of player?
I'm not sure Randy would ever consider things like that. If we had Mourinho here perhaps he'd have enough nous to consider forking over an extra few mill to spend.
RDM still needs to prove he can work on a budget though. I don't think we'll sack another manager though. We can't afford it.
I just hope Lambert pulls off a few decent signings. Quality and some experience is sorely needed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:19:06 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 10, 2013, 01:12:21 PM
Moussa Sissoko would be ideal I reckon. Just the sort of player we need.
I wanted us to sign him when Houllier came in.

Is that the same guy who had a spell at Liverpool maz?
No, I cleared that up a few posts above

Apologies glasses, there must be as Paul said loads of players available who would Improve our weak team but we are dropping points while waiting around .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:22:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , clampy criticising me again - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Who said i was just criticising just you? I did'nt bring your name up, i was just adding my thought's to what Dave said. You're just getting a bit paranoid.
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
Not excited in the slightest dave, the prospect of di matteo if it happened would hardly be the greatest thing , but the main thing is that we stay in this division and as regards the afore mentioned twitter poster , he is no longer on my following list .
I'm not suggesting that you're excited by the prospect of Di Matteo, I'm suggesting that you're excited by yet another Twitter rumour, which leads you to posting in some sort of ridiculous code like you're a ten year old passing notes at the back of a classroom.

Got to agree if i'm honest, it was a bit silly and unneccessary.

What a surprise , clampy criticising me again - does that go for all of us or just me clampy ?

Who said i was just criticising just you? I did'nt bring your name up, i was just adding my thought's to what Dave said. You're just getting a bit paranoid.

Yeh right , paranoid no, bored of your sniping yes!

Oh for heaven's sake. What's up? Has MysteryMan blocked you on Twitter?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:22:15 PM: Since Sissoko is available we should be in for him at that price, it's not even a gamble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on January 10, 2013, 01:24:14 PM: The main thing we need is leadership. 2 players, one a central defender, the other defensive midfielder who are bulldogs and will not stiffen the spine of the team. Mellberg in defense. A new Petrov.

Bennett looks out of his depth at the moment as well - I cant bring myself to say Warnock back but there must be a loan to cover option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM: An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 01:27:58 PM: Bennett's confidence looked shot on Tuesday. If there's other options available, i'd leave him out on Saturday, it might be for the best. It's a shame because up until he got sent off against Norwich, he was doing ok.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:31:04 PM: Quote from: IFWaters on January 10, 2013, 01:24:14 PM
The main thing we need is leadership. 2 players, one a central defender, the other defensive midfielder who are bulldogs and will not stiffen the spine of the team. Mellberg in defense. A new Petrov.

Bennett looks out of his depth at the moment as well - I cant bring myself to say Warnock back but there must be a loan to cover option.

I think Bennett could still be a decent player but agree his confidence seems shot right now , maybe Stevens or lichaj on Saturday would be an option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:31:15 PM: For me, two players in with experience and quality will see us stay up. A Centre half and a Centre midfielder. We create enough going forward to score goals, we just need to make sure we stop conceding them. If it costs £15m to get them themn so be it. It will cost much more if we go down.

Lescott and Sissoko please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 01:32:14 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...
It will be interesting to hear his press conference tomorrow then.If it's true we're in trouble
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:34:01 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 10, 2013, 01:31:15 PM
For me, two players in with experience and quality will see us stay up. A Centre half and a Centre midfielder. We create enough going forward to score goals, we just need to make sure we stop conceding them. If it costs £15m to get them themn so be it. It will cost much more if we go down.

Lescott and Sissoko please.

£15m is loose change considering what we could lose by relegation , I'm sure Lerner knows he needs to spend decent money or risk relegation .

I'm not sure that he's convinced lambert is the man to spend it though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:34:04 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...

Well that better not be true, because the board need to realise if we go down it's going to cost us a lot more. Short sighted and idiotic, we've been cutting costs for so long now. There comes a point that you have to invest or you go under, we're on the brink of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 10, 2013, 01:35:43 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...

Lambert must have alternative targets in case of that very scenario with the board?
Sometimes you can't always have what you want and you have to economise, this is where you find out exactly how efficient your scouting network really is! If necessary get players in on loan till the end of the season but do something POSITIVE!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 10, 2013, 01:36:50 PM: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8388658/Aston-Villa-rubbish-reports-claiming-they-are-keen-on-Inter-Milan-s-Philippe-Coutinho

Latest from Sky about Coutinho....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:38:26 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...

Ignoring the providence and reliability of the claim; it seems very detailed and completely improvable, but just to examine the point, to what are the board hoping to achieve?

The squad as it is threadbare, cheap on the main and devoid of quality, if you’re already cut to the bone, how can you cut further?

It suggests something has changed financially since Lambert took over and I cannot imagine what has.

I think the “ITK” is bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 01:38:47 PM: It doesn't make sense as he took the financial hit on buying Bent when in a similar position two years ago? Given that we'll lose Dunne and Warnock soon enough, it would also be a short term hit in terms of wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:41:03 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...

Ignoring the providence and reliability of the claim; it seems very detailed and completely improvable, but just to examine the point, to what are the board hoping to achieve?

The squad as it is threadbare, cheap on the main and devoid of quality, if you’re already cut to the bone, how can you cut further?

It suggests something has changed financially since Lambert took over and I cannot imagine what has.

I think the “ITK” is bollocks.

Maybe the something that's changed could be he's lost faith in the manager? Just a thought.

Lamberts body language on Tuesday seemed a world away from how he was when he came here , his interviews afterwards seemed very downbeat too.

At the end of the day it's randys money at stake .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:41:13 PM: Yeah thinking about it, I'm wondering whether the ITK might just be full of shit. It wouldn't be consistent with our approach a couple of years ago, when we were in worse financial state.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 10, 2013, 01:46:16 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
An apparent ITK on VT (yes I know.....) has stated that the two key targets (CH and Def MF) of Lambert are too expensive for the Board. They were relying on moving some of the remaining high earners on and there are no takers....
Lambert won't resign but make speak out over the fact that he isn't getting financially backed. Nothing to do with the teams performance but the need to get costs further reduced...

Ignoring the providence and reliability of the claim; it seems very detailed and completely improvable, but just to examine the point, to what are the board hoping to achieve?

The squad as it is threadbare, cheap on the main and devoid of quality, if you’re already cut to the bone, how can you cut further?

It suggests something has changed financially since Lambert took over and I cannot imagine what has.

I think the “ITK” is bollocks.

Hopefully, yes!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 01:47:15 PM: That "ITK" says that he's proven to the admins of VT that he's a realdeal but I can't understand how that's possible, anyone can come up say that he hears things from someone working in Villa or at the Lerner's end.

I have hard time believing that 5 million for a player would be too much for the board, and that they wouldn't invest to stay in the PL since the club gets 25 million (or so) more tv-money than this season and we'd only have to pay their salary for rest of the season, and Dunne + Warnock are gone in the summer so their salaries for next season are freed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM: You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday . It would then very much be a case of back me or sack me and by backing him we are in need of far more than £10m.

I would say to get the 3 or 4 players we need would cost £20m plus in the current market, which is still a lot less than we stand to lose if relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 10, 2013, 01:53:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

At the very least I think he'll get until the Bradford game.

But as Faulkner said about McLeish, they weighed up sacking him with dozen games left or leaving it until the end of the season. They looked at the past history of all the sackings during the season and post season and the figures backed the decision to wait. I doubt anything has changed in twelve months.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 10, 2013, 01:54:19 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 01:41:13 PM
Yeah thinking about it, I'm wondering whether the ITK might just be full of shit. It wouldn't be consistent with our approach a couple of years ago, when we were in worse financial state.
Took me ages to work out what lol meant,now I've finally worked out ITK means I talk krap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday . It would then very much be a case of back me or sack me and by backing him we are in need of far more than £10m.

I would say to get the 3 or 4 players we need would cost £20m plus in the current market.

If that happens I am not coming anywhere near this forum, probably won't be able to anyway as it will be in meltdown!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 01:56:05 PM: I hope it is crap but we have no idea of our financial situation do we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 01:56:34 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday . It would then very much be a case of back me or sack me and by backing him we are in need of far more than £10m.

I would say to get the 3 or 4 players we need would cost £20m plus in the current market.

I think we could do some decent businessm with £10m.

Sissoko is quoted at 3.5m euros, so take that as around £3m then you have £7m for a CB. That Norwegian CB talked about the other day could easily be bought for that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:57:21 PM: Quote from: London Villan on January 10, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

At the very least I think he'll get until the Bradford game.

But as Faulkner said about McLeish, they weighed up sacking him with dozen games left or leaving it until the end of the season. They looked at the past history of all the sackings during the season and post season and the figures backed the decision to wait. I doubt anything has changed in twelve months.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday .

To be honest if they wait 2 weeks the deadline is as good as over and there would be not much point , if they decide on a change the new man would need at least a couple of weeks to bring in his own players - there would be no point sacking a manager after the deadline .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 10, 2013, 01:58:28 PM: Who is on our board anyway? How many members, what are their names? British? American?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 10, 2013, 01:59:38 PM: Do you honestly think that the board would gamble with our Premier League status for the sake of the few high earners we have left? It would cost inordinately more, were we to be relegated.

Lerner and Faulkner, contrary to some theories can do basic maths.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 10, 2013, 02:01:05 PM: Now onto something even more ridiculous how about Wesley Sneijder on loan till the end of the season.
We couldn't possibly afford him because of his wages but a loan till the end of the season, gets him playing again and in the shop window.

I know its stupid but at least it gets it back onto topic!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 10, 2013, 02:02:53 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 10, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
You notice a lot of stories and rumours like that emerging in times when you're down as you'll get more people believing you.

Eastie, if Lerner lacked faith in him, then he'd have sacked him.

Maybe he will If we get trounced on Saturday . It would then very much be a case of back me or sack me and by backing him we are in need of far more than £10m.

I would say to get the 3 or 4 players we need would cost £20m plus in the current market.

There is so little information shared by the club that we cling on to any kind of rumour. It's no wonder we're all getting so frustrated by it all. It does make me think there are internal politics going on as to what they should do in this window.

The fact that Lambert can't even say something like ' we have had a number of long term injuries and we recognise that the young players need a bit of help. We are working together to see if we can address that' does really piss me off.

The whole communication vacuum is disrespectful to the fans who are all deeply worried as to where we are going to end up this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 02:05:19 PM: I wouldn't trust Lerner and Faulkner again after employing McLeish on Sir Alex's say so.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 02:06:58 PM: It's gone quiet on that Norweigan chap, Forren or whatever his name was. His club said he was in talks with another club but nothing's been said since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 02:10:28 PM: Sissoko for 3.5 million is a steal. Should be all over that and Olsen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 02:14:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 02:10:28 PM
Sissoko for 3.5 million is a steal. Should be all over that and Olsen.

Albion have turned down uncle Harry's £5m bid for Olsen - seems Clarke is desperate to keep him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 10, 2013, 02:14:36 PM: You've got to remeber two years ago when he signed Bent he probably already had the Young to Man U deal lined up for the end of the season, was in credit from the Milner sale and knew he had Downing that he could get a few bob for in the summer too, and hey ho look what happened. The difference now is there is no-one to shift to balance the books, as Bent's injuries have caused his value to decrease significantly. Just speculating like.

i actually think lambert has his targets but they may take some time (Lescott in particular) and he is prepared to wait for them. I know we all want experience in now, but if he could go with the 11 from Anfield, with Herd dropping back in at the back, then we should have enough to see off Southampton (I know, I know......)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 02:19:07 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 10, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 10, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 12:02:23 PM
Di matteo is a significantly worse manager than Lambert in my opinion.

Lambert is the worst manager we've had in over 30 years, how on earth would RDM do any worse?

Worse than Graham Turner? Or McNeill?

His record so far is as bad. Obviously the season isn't over yet, but if he takes us down he'll be classed as even worse than those two muppets.

So, in other words, currently not the worst manager we've had in thirty years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 02:19:59 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
It's gone quiet on that Norweigan chap, Forren or whatever his name was. His club said he was in talks with another club but nothing's been said since.

A Norwegian work contact of mine (who is also a massive Villa fan) was telling me last week that Forren is unbelievably promising, and it would be a coup to get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 02:20:16 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 10, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
You've got to remeber two years ago when he signed Bent he probably already had the Young to Man U deal lined up for the end of the season, was in credit from the Milner sale and knew he had Downing that he could get a few bob for in the summer too, and hey ho look what happened. The difference now is there is no-one to shift to balance the books, as Bent's injuries have caused his value to decrease significantly. Just speculating like.

i actually think lambert has his targets but they may take some time (Lescott in particular) and he is prepared to wait for them. I know we all want experience in now, but if he could go with the 11 from Anfield, with Herd dropping back in at the back, then we should have enough to see off Southampton (I know, I know......)

I have no problem with that if he is, but I'm sure others on here will.

We didn't have many assets to sell on when he sanctioned a spend of £25m in the summer. I think it's more of a case of only splashing out when there is a clear sell on value after the amount of players who we've paid good money for and then have left on a Bosman.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 10, 2013, 02:21:47 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
It's gone quiet on that Norweigan chap, Forren or whatever his name was. His club said he was in talks with another club but nothing's been said since.

A Norwegian work contact of mine (who is also a massive Villa fan) was telling me last week that Forren is unbelievably promising, and it would be a coup to get him.
Everton bound
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM: Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 02:22:55 PM: @MatKendrick: For those asking, we'll try to get a proper update on Ron Vlaar's fitness at tomorrow's press conference. We've asked, but got vague replies
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 10, 2013, 02:23:22 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.
Ireland
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 10, 2013, 02:24:49 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

That's about 300k a week for those players, is that correct?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 02:25:36 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 02:06:58 PM
It's gone quiet on that Norweigan chap, Forren or whatever his name was. His club said he was in talks with another club but nothing's been said since.

A Norwegian work contact of mine (who is also a massive Villa fan) was telling me last week that Forren is unbelievably promising, and it would be a coup to get him.

Sounds good, but he'll have been scouted elsewhere if he's a promising as he sounds unfortunatley but you never know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 02:27:01 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

I think they've said they're happy where they are now, so I guess it's more a matter of not letting them get out of control again.

But then look at it again and think what value we've got for those high wages this season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on January 10, 2013, 02:27:03 PM: Apologies if this is mentioned recently in this thread as no time to read everything but I see Sky interweb saying Sunderland favorite to land 'out of favour' 'Milner.
In my opinion if there's even a sniff of him being available should move heaven and earth for him.
steel, bite
Run all night.

won't happen :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2013, 02:27:28 PM: We won't attract quality if the rumour of a £40k a wage week ceiling is correct. Everton have managed to sign quality and will have to be paying decent wages to get them. I do worry about the financial mess we may be in and the fingers have to be pointed to Faulkner and Lerner. Everton's turnover must be a fair bit less than ours?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 10, 2013, 02:32:02 PM: Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on January 10, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Apologies if this is mentioned recently in this thread as no time to read everything but I see Sky interweb saying Sunderland favorite to land 'out of favour' 'Milner.
In my opinion if there's even a sniff of him being available should move heaven and earth for him.
steel, bite
Run all night.

won't happen :(

No, O'Neill paying silly money again no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 02:33:59 PM: Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on January 10, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Apologies if this is mentioned recently in this thread as no time to read everything but I see Sky interweb saying Sunderland favorite to land 'out of favour' 'Milner.
In my opinion if there's even a sniff of him being available should move heaven and earth for him.
steel, bite
Run all night.

won't happen :(

Top player but I can't see city letting him go anywhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 10, 2013, 02:41:20 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

Ireland
N'Zogbia
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 02:42:56 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

At least part of Makoun's salary should be paid by Rennes and I'd imagine that insurance should cover Petrov's salary.

The club possibly can't be so skint that they couldn't pay salaries for 3-4 players for six months since Dunne and Warnock (both probably 40-60k) leaves next summer so their wages are freed for the next season.

Has anyone calculated how much club would lose money next season if we're relegated?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:59:43 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

At least part of Makoun's salary should be paid by Rennes and I'd imagine that insurance should cover Petrov's salary.

The club possibly can't be so skint that they couldn't pay salaries for 3-4 players for six months since Dunne and Warnock (both probably 40-60k) leaves next summer so their wages are freed for the next season.

Has anyone calculated how much club would lose money next season if we're relegated?

Agreed with comments on Makoun and Petrov.

Rough figures

Given - 65
Bent - 65
Dunne- 60
Gabby 50
Warnock 45
Hutton 30
Nzogbia 40

£19mil A Year

Old article so figures would be higher now with new TV deal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:15:58 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

At least part of Makoun's salary should be paid by Rennes and I'd imagine that insurance should cover Petrov's salary.

The club possibly can't be so skint that they couldn't pay salaries for 3-4 players for six months since Dunne and Warnock (both probably 40-60k) leaves next summer so their wages are freed for the next season.

Has anyone calculated how much club would lose money next season if we're relegated?

Agreed with comments on Makoun and Petrov.

Rough figures

Given - 65
Bent - 65
Dunne- 60
Gabby 50
Warnock 45
Hutton 30
Nzogbia 40
£19mil A Year

Old article so figures would be higher now with new TV deal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html

I'm sure N'Zogbia would be on more than that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:17:12 PM: It's critical that Randy invests or we will go down and we'll lose a lot more money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:28:25 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
It's critical that Randy invests or we will go down and we'll lose a lot more money.

You'd hope that two people heavily involved in finance would be able to see the answer to what is essentially a very basic math question.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 03:33:20 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

At least part of Makoun's salary should be paid by Rennes and I'd imagine that insurance should cover Petrov's salary.

The club possibly can't be so skint that they couldn't pay salaries for 3-4 players for six months since Dunne and Warnock (both probably 40-60k) leaves next summer so their wages are freed for the next season.

Has anyone calculated how much club would lose money next season if we're relegated?

Agreed with comments on Makoun and Petrov.

Rough figures

Given - 65
Bent - 65
Dunne- 60
Gabby 50
Warnock 45
Hutton 30
Nzogbia 40
£19mil A Year

Old article so figures would be higher now with new TV deal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html

I'm sure N'Zogbia would be on more than that.

I doubt it at Wigan he would have been on £20k max as that is their cap doubling his wage should of been enough.

I did leave out Ireland in the list thats another 60k
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 03:34:40 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
It's critical that Randy invests or we will go down and we'll lose a lot more money.

You'd hope that two people heavily involved in finance would be able to see the answer to what is essentially a very basic math question.

I'm confident that the situation will be resolved in the next week .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:38:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
It's critical that Randy invests or we will go down and we'll lose a lot more money.

You'd hope that two people heavily involved in finance would be able to see the answer to what is essentially a very basic math question.

I'm confident that the situation will be resolved in the next week .

You've changed your tune eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2013, 03:47:34 PM: posted a few days ago that i had heard that wages were still causing a huge problem , eight or nine players on huge money who seldom if ever play at around 20m a season is financial suicide . People need to go before others arrive
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:49:05 PM: You can only trim so much, there can't be that many players on big wages who hardly ever play anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 03:49:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:38:36 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
It's critical that Randy invests or we will go down and we'll lose a lot more money.

You'd hope that two people heavily involved in finance would be able to see the answer to what is essentially a very basic math question.

I'm confident that the situation will be resolved in the next week .

You've changed your tune eastie.

I think something has to give in the next week Paul one way or the other - you either back him with money or sack him - the deadline is moving on and something has to happen one way or the other in the next week.

Either lambert will sign new players or someone will replace him I think, I don't see us going into the last few days of the window with no new signings and deep in crisis.

Like I said earlier I think the saints result will make or break him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:50:57 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on January 10, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 02:22:20 PM
Given the players left I can't understand how our wages could be that high

Given
Bent
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Gabby

Are surely the only ones left on really high wages.

Petrov
Makoun

At least part of Makoun's salary should be paid by Rennes and I'd imagine that insurance should cover Petrov's salary.

The club possibly can't be so skint that they couldn't pay salaries for 3-4 players for six months since Dunne and Warnock (both probably 40-60k) leaves next summer so their wages are freed for the next season.

Has anyone calculated how much club would lose money next season if we're relegated?

Agreed with comments on Makoun and Petrov.

Rough figures

Given - 65
Bent - 65
Dunne- 60
Gabby 50
Warnock 45
Hutton 30
Nzogbia 40
£19mil A Year

Old article so figures would be higher now with new TV deal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8529924/The-cost-of-relegation-from-the-Premier-League.html

I'm sure N'Zogbia would be on more than that.

I doubt it at Wigan he would have been on £20k max as that is their cap doubling his wage should of been enough.

I did leave out Ireland in the list thats another 60k

I'm sure £60k a week was mentioned when we signed him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM: Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:56:28 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:49:05 PM
You can only trim so much, there can't be that many players on big wages who hardly ever play anyway.

It depends on where you draw the line at 'hardly ever'. If you're looking for players who aren't contributing as you would expect for their wages (as in higher earmer = more important to the team) I'd say:-
Given
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Makoun
Bent
Ireland

I'd have added N'Zigbia to that also, but he's done well the last few games he's played. Plus Gabby could be on that list as well.

I appreciate a few of those are on loan, but I'd say we're still paying a big chunk of their wages!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:57:16 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

From the bbc...

Aston Villa have an offer for Brazilian midfielder Philippe Coutinho turned down by Inter Milan, report talkSPORT.

Southampton have also expressed an interest in the 20-year-old but Villa were the first to act, although their initial bid was rejected, according to the player's agent.

Coutinho's agent, Cacau Barbosa says: "I can confirm Aston Villa made an enquiry for Coutinho. They want him, but with all due respect for the proposal made to Philippe, at this moment there is still nothing concrete to suggest an exit from Inter."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 10, 2013, 03:59:13 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

From the bbc...

Aston Villa have an offer for Brazilian midfielder Philippe Coutinho turned down by Inter Milan, report talkSPORT.

Southampton have also expressed an interest in the 20-year-old but Villa were the first to act, although their initial bid was rejected, according to the player's agent.

Coutinho's agent, Cacau Barbosa says: "I can confirm Aston Villa made an enquiry for Coutinho. They want him, but with all due respect for the proposal made to Philippe, at this moment there is still nothing concrete to suggest an exit from Inter."

Denied by Villa on Sky
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on huge wages either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 10, 2013, 04:01:06 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 10, 2013, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

From the bbc...

Aston Villa have an offer for Brazilian midfielder Philippe Coutinho turned down by Inter Milan, report talkSPORT.

Southampton have also expressed an interest in the 20-year-old but Villa were the first to act, although their initial bid was rejected, according to the player's agent.

Coutinho's agent, Cacau Barbosa says: "I can confirm Aston Villa made an enquiry for Coutinho. They want him, but with all due respect for the proposal made to Philippe, at this moment there is still nothing concrete to suggest an exit from Inter."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8388658/Aston-Villa-rubbish-reports-claiming-they-are-keen-on-Inter-Milan-s-Philippe-Coutinho
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 04:05:56 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:49:05 PM
You can only trim so much, there can't be that many players on big wages who hardly ever play anyway.

2 of them are out of contract in 5 months and Ireland has 18 left.There is only Bent ,Given and Nzogbia who can be left on what is classed as high wages then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 04:08:31 PM: No quotes in that at all so it means nothing. The BBC one has a direct quote from his agent.

Might not end up happening but I don't believe there's no interest. Maybe we asked for a loan and they said no only a transfer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 04:20:49 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
No quotes in that at all so it means nothing. The BBC one has a direct quote from his agent.

No, but they do say that Villa told them it was bollocks.

That whole "no quotes" thing is so VillaTalk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 04:21:47 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 03:56:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 03:49:05 PM
You can only trim so much, there can't be that many players on big wages who hardly ever play anyway.

It depends on where you draw the line at 'hardly ever'. If you're looking for players who aren't contributing as you would expect for their wages (as in higher earmer = more important to the team) I'd say:-
Given
Dunne
Warnock
Hutton
Makoun
Bent
Ireland

I'd have added N'Zigbia to that also, but he's done well the last few games he's played. Plus Gabby could be on that list as well.

I appreciate a few of those are on loan, but I'd say we're still paying a big chunk of their wages!

You would hope at least three of those have had a portion of their wages covered by the clubs they're at. Also we're a Premier League club with good attendances, we should be able to accomodate some players on big wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 04:25:47 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
No quotes in that at all so it means nothing. The BBC one has a direct quote from his agent.

No, but they do say that Villa told them it was bollocks.

That whole "no quotes" thing is so VillaTalk.

I tend not to read too much into stories with no quotes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 04:25:48 PM: If the wage bill is stopping us making signings, we may aswell all go home and give up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 04:26:24 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
If the wage bill is stopping us making signings, we may aswell all go home and give up.

Indeed, it's been reduced plenty.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2013, 04:26:28 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
No quotes in that at all so it means nothing. The BBC one has a direct quote from his agent.

No, but they do say that Villa told them it was bollocks.

That whole "no quotes" thing is so VillaTalk.

Indeed. I was once included in a Great Football Quotes book, saying something I never said to someone I'd never spoken to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 04:28:58 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
No quotes in that at all so it means nothing. The BBC one has a direct quote from his agent.

No, but they do say that Villa told them it was bollocks.

That whole "no quotes" thing is so VillaTalk.

Indeed. I was once included in a Great Football Quotes book, saying something I never said to someone I'd never spoken to.

Was it 'it's my round'?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 04:34:23 PM: Exactly wich begs the questions why as we have I think the 5th highest turnover we are in such a panic over wages ...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 10, 2013, 04:35:23 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
If the wage bill is stopping us making signings, we may aswell all go home and give up.
there is a huge debate going on over on VT after a 'ITK' has told all and sundry that the financial constraints at the club mean no-one coming in, and that 2 deals have already been scuppered.

I know, I know....its VT and 'ITK' so is all bollocks, but.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 10, 2013, 04:43:50 PM: I am sure it is rubbish.

I am sure we will be adding to the squad - it would be madness if we didn't, especially as those around us will be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 10, 2013, 04:50:40 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 10, 2013, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
If the wage bill is stopping us making signings, we may aswell all go home and give up.
there is a huge debate going on over on VT after a 'ITK' has told all and sundry that the financial constraints at the club mean no-one coming in, and that 2 deals have already been scuppered.

I know, I know....its VT and 'ITK' so is all bollocks, but.......

Seen it very worried

Also http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rumour-mill-transfer-blow-for-aston-668332
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on huge wages either.
Moving on...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:35:47 PM: I can't see anyway possible that there would be none coming in - it would be financial suicide and mean almost certain relegation .

I still think he's waiting to see what Saturday brings and things will move after that , lambert has no chance without money and he must either be sacked or backed , keeping him and giving him no money would be crazy.

We can all see where the team needs strengthening .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:38:46 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:35:47 PM
I can't see anyway possible that there would be none coming in - it would be financial suicide and mean almost certain relegation .

I still think he's waiting to see what Saturday brings and things will move after that , lambert has no chance without money and he must either be sacked or backed , keeping him and giving him no money would be crazy.

We can all see where the team needs strengthening .

What exactly is he waiting to see on Saturday ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:40:25 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:35:47 PM
I can't see anyway possible that there would be none coming in - it would be financial suicide and mean almost certain relegation .

I still think he's waiting to see what Saturday brings and things will move after that , lambert has no chance without money and he must either be sacked or backed , keeping him and giving him no money would be crazy.

We can all see where the team needs strengthening .

I agree with this.

A defeat (unless a heroic one), Lambert's off, someone's in and some money hastily spent.
A draw/win - Lambert stays and we may or may not get reinforcements
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 10, 2013, 05:41:49 PM: Or waiting to see if Westwood or Vlaar comes back from injuries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:43:54 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:35:47 PM
I can't see anyway possible that there would be none coming in - it would be financial suicide and mean almost certain relegation .

I still think he's waiting to see what Saturday brings and things will move after that , lambert has no chance without money and he must either be sacked or backed , keeping him and giving him no money would be crazy.

We can all see where the team needs strengthening .

What exactly is he waiting to see on Saturday ?

Get trounced like the Wigan game and I think he will pull the plug on him , draw or win and he may give him some money for reinforcements . Just an opinion but I wouldn't be surprised if randy is having serious doubts , after all he stands to lose more than anyone if we go down.

Randy Lerner needs to do whatever he feels is the best thing to keep aston villa in this division .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 05:48:33 PM: I'm not sure if he'll get the sack if we lose on Saturday. We were poor under TSM and Houiller and they were both given the whole season and they did'nt even reach a semi final of a cup, although they did'nt suffer heavy losses like Lambert has. It will turn nasty if we suffer another Wigan type defeat though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 05:48:45 PM: Agree Eastie. If Southampton win it would be a major set-back and possibly the last real chance for Lerner to change things with still some time for a new guy to get his players in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 10, 2013, 05:49:52 PM: I can't see how if we win on Saturday Lambert suddenly becomes a good enough manager to keep on and given funds to spend, whearas if we lose he's rubbish and must be got rid of

Randy must by now either think he's the right man or is having massive doubts and looking for the best way out, which might be easier if we lost on Saturday to do, but it's a decision which has already been made

I think Randy is into Lambert for the long haul, I think there is a tipping point of no return, but we are not there yet, maybe if we lose the next 2 games and go out of the cup to Bradford we might be getting close, but that hasn't happened yet
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:50:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:35:47 PM
I can't see anyway possible that there would be none coming in - it would be financial suicide and mean almost certain relegation .

I still think he's waiting to see what Saturday brings and things will move after that , lambert has no chance without money and he must either be sacked or backed , keeping him and giving him no money would be crazy.

We can all see where the team needs strengthening .

What exactly is he waiting to see on Saturday ?

Get trounced like the Wigan game and I think he will pull the plug on him , draw or win and he may give him some money for reinforcements . Just an opinion but I wouldn't be surprised if randy is having serious doubts , after all he stands to lose more than anyone if we go down.

Really cannot see Lerner getting rid of PL. He knows the fans are still with him and i can only think PL is in talks with several agents awaiting decisions ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 05:53:33 PM: Quote from: john e on January 10, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
I can't see how if we win on Saturday Lambert suddenly becomes a good enough manager to keep on and given funds to spend, whearas if we lose he's rubbish and must be got rid of

Randy must by now either think he's the right man or is having massive doubts and looking for the best way out, which might be easier if we lost on Saturday to do, but it's a decision which has already been made

I think Randy is into Lambert for the long haul, I think there is a tipping point of no return, but we are not there yet, maybe if we lose the next 2 games and go out of the cup to Bradford we might be getting close, but that hasn't happened yet

trouble is if the worse came to the worse and Lerner waited for that scenario what could a new guy possibly do? He'd certainly have to stick with the players he's got and i think everyone agrees we desperaterly need strengthening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 05:53:45 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 10, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
I'm not sure if he'll get the sack if we lose on Saturday. We were poor under TSM and Houiller and they were both given the whole season and they did'nt even reach a semi final of a cup, although they did'nt suffer heavy losses like Lambert has. It will turn nasty if we suffer another Wigan type defeat though.
.

Im not sure either clampy but I think it's a possibility , there would be no point changing things after the transfer window , and there is a huge amount at stake , far more than pride, not a time to hedge bets , he must either give him funds for two or 3 players or pull the plug.

If lambert does go then a new manager must be ready to step in quickly as with wolves and Saunders.

A repeat of the Wigan game would I believe be the tipping point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 05:59:20 PM: We've had a poll on here which would indicate that Lerner will be turned on before Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 06:02:49 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
We've had a poll on here which would indicate that Lerner will be turned on before Lambert.

Lerner has a thick skin , I'm sure he will be more worried about what needs doing in keeping aston villa in this division than what fans think of him .

Whoever is manager money needs to be made available for new signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 06:04:21 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
We've had a poll on here which would indicate that Lerner will be turned on before Lambert.

If lerner was worried about the fan's opinion, then last season wouldn't have happened. People went spare when managers were sacked during Ellis' time but he survived
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: l_mckay on January 10, 2013, 06:14:34 PM: It's very worrying that we havent been linked with anyone at all apart from this guy from Inter. Almost every team is being linked with people every day apart from us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 06:14:49 PM: If we lose Saturday I confidently expect the new manager of Aston Villa to be named by 19.00.

and I expect it to be Dean Saunders. He later commented 'I feel Ive taken Wolves as far I can go'

This follows their 8-0 drubbing of Blackburn Rovers on Friday night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 06:17:41 PM: I am a little shocked we have not got a centre back in by now.

And Moussa Sissoko for 3.5 million when he is exactly what we need?

Truth is we need 4 this window, and 3 of them need to be big, strong and defensively sound. I am worried there is nothing yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 06:20:51 PM: In theory we can afford to blow £30 Million this January to stay up at theoretically no cost,

Because that is the extra TV money we will be getting next season isn't it? Our turnover next year will be around the 120-130 Million, lets hope we know what we are doing and there is a master plan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:30:06 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

This is the short term thinking that got us into this situation, lets label it mon-ism. You sign a player who is a marginal improvement over what you have already with the thinking being that you can replace with better later. The problem is, because players have al lthe power, you've given him a contract bigger than he deserves, both in terms of wages and term, so you can't sell him so if you do sign a replacement you end up with an expensive player on a big contract sat in the reserves (davies, cuellar, shorey all fit with this) pushing the wage bill to silly levels.

NRC on a half season deal if we can't find anyone else would be acceptable at the end of the window if we have no other options, not before and not on a longer deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 10, 2013, 06:32:11 PM: Robert Pires.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 10, 2013, 06:32:30 PM: Quote from: l_mckay on January 10, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
It's very worrying that we havent been linked with anyone at all apart from this guy from Inter. Almost every team is being linked with people every day apart from us.

We've been linked with a whole host of players. How accurate they are I don't know, but we have been linked!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 06:33:37 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:33:54 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

This is the short term thinking that got us into this situation, lets label it mon-ism. You sign a player who is a marginal improvement over what you have already with the thinking being that you can replace with better later. The problem is, because players have al lthe power, you've given him a contract bigger than he deserves, both in terms of wages and term, so you can't sell him so if you do sign a replacement you end up with an expensive player on a big contract sat in the reserves (davies, cuellar, shorey all fit with this) pushing the wage bill to silly levels.

NRC on a half season deal if we can't find anyone else would be acceptable at the end of the window if we have no other options, not before and not on a longer deal.

We need a tackling midfielder who can hit the ground running as time is well and truly running out. Not short term in anyway just

don't give out wages to players like we used to. This is where we are at the moment. Would much prefer Diame but why on earth would

he come here for anything other than a large cash incentive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:37:12 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 06:33:37 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......

Who have we got that can do anything as limited as tackle? He tried his very hardest and was not as good as he thought

he was and not as bad as some on here said he was. As normal the truth lies somewhere in the middle and he is exactly what we

need and would be a good leader.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 06:37:28 PM: If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

We need Faulkner to release a statement to the media stating 'Mr Lambert has finance allocated to purchase new players' It may not be very much but at least it would be a pointer in the right direction.

My guess is he may have around three to four million to play with but Im probably wrong.

But as he has stated he talks to Randy on a weekly basis he knows exactly what his position is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 06:42:40 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

Alex McLeish didn't get the £30m to spend in January that he was supposedly promised.
Could be going the same way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 06:45:44 PM: Is Frimpong fit yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 06:47:42 PM: PL will walk on Saturday if we lose.Just look at the body language of the man.
He has the look of a man who had opened the box of his Internet bride and found out its got a dick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 06:52:07 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 06:33:37 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.

I think time has clouded your memory of how bad he was. He could break up play. End of. There are a lot of MF out there with a lot more to offer. Who can break up play, have two good feet with aerial advantage and pass a ball to one of our players ......

Who have we got that can do anything as limited as tackle? He tried his very hardest and was not as good as he thought

he was and not as bad as some on here said he was. As normal the truth lies somewhere in the middle and he is exactly what we

need and would be a good leader.

Can you really see PL going against all the philosophy he is trying to install going out and buying NRC ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
If its true (and I doubt it) that Paul Lambert has been misled into believing he had funds for this window and in fact that is untrue he should consider resigning so he can retain some credibility in the football world.

Alex McLeish didn't get the £30m to spend in January that he was supposedly promised.
Could be going the same way.

Lerner and Faulkner aren't completely clueless then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM: See not giving McLeish money I can understand because he didn't exactly spend it well in the summer, but Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today, so the only reason to withhold money is if you don't want him to spend anything on the basis that he might not last long and they don't want a new guy stuck with his signings.

The issue with that is, if that's correct, by not giving him cash you increase the chance you have to sack him because the reuslts won't improve without a bit of leadership in the middle of the defence and attack.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 07:03:27 PM: No I can't see him doing it but that doesn't make it wrong or a bad move. He is more useful than

anything we have now in our current situation and would think he would compliment Westwood nicely.

Like it or not we are in a relegation scrap and who would you prefer NRC trying his hardest and tackling or

the waste of human skin Ireland trousering big money with no effort or commitment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 10, 2013, 07:04:18 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today

Really?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 10, 2013, 07:05:17 PM: I'm looking forward to the deadline, we are going to buy a load of players*

*because we fookin' need them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 10, 2013, 07:05:47 PM: Quote from: mike on January 10, 2013, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today

Really?

I have little doubt we'd make a profit right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 07:09:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 10, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: mike on January 10, 2013, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today

Really?

I have little doubt we'd make a profit right now.

Agreed though it is most likely because Lowton and Benteke have increased in value.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 10, 2013, 07:11:27 PM: And Guzan and Westwood would make a profit. Only KEA and maybe Bennett would be possible losses i'd have thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CAitken on January 10, 2013, 07:12:58 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 10, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: mike on January 10, 2013, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
Lambert would be comfortably in profit if we sold all his signings today

Really?

I have little doubt we'd make a profit right now.

Agreed though it is most likely because Lowton and Benteke have increased in value.
And Guzan!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 10, 2013, 07:29:31 PM: Vlaar must be worth more then 3m now. We could probably break even with KEA. Even Bowery would probably go for more then 500k (or whatever the fee was) if we flogged him to some Championship club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 07:33:37 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 10, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Vlaar must be worth more then 3m now. We could probably break even with KEA. Even Bowery would probably go for more then 500k (or whatever the fee was) if we flogged him to some Championship club.

How is Vlaar worth anything? We don't even know what's up with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 10, 2013, 07:39:17 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 10, 2013, 07:33:37 PM
How is Vlaar worth anything? We don't even know what's up with him.
When he is fit I mean. He still isn't that old either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 07:44:34 PM: Lambert shouldn't go, but Lerner needs to give him some funds. Since Sissoko is available for 3.5 million euros it's madness not to go for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 10, 2013, 07:48:22 PM: The fact we are even discussing it is a vast improvement on last year.

Would we get £17-18 million for N'Zogbia,Given & Hutton? I'd say 10 for the lot if we are lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 10, 2013, 07:49:23 PM: What is this about enquiries for Coutinho from Inter..any substance? Agent says we have been in touch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 10, 2013, 07:51:30 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 07:44:34 PM
Lambert shouldn't go, but Lerner needs to give him some funds. Since Sissoko is available for 3.5 million euros it's madness not to go for him.
This. We should make him an offer at the very least so we know that we tried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 10, 2013, 07:56:10 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
We need Faulkner to release a statement to the media stating 'Mr Lambert has finance allocated to purchase new players' It may not be very much but at least it would be a pointer in the right direction.

No we don't. The only way we should advertise the fact we have money to spend is by buying the players we need to get us out of this mess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 08:11:58 PM: How about a Bid for Gary Jones of Bradford.....at least it might stop him bossing our midfield in the second leg
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 10, 2013, 08:18:38 PM: Did we pay 4 mil for Bennett - that was too much :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 08:25:55 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 10, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 04:00:41 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Said it earlier, I think at least part of the problem is that we're having to address an area that we thought we were ok in. We really shouldn't need to sign a central defender as we have 2 experienced internationals in the squad who should be able to bring through the promising youngsters.

I think he had a signing like Coutinho or Aubameyang lined up to be a big creative influence (and he went for Dempsey in the summer remember, so that money is probably still there) and he doesn't want to let that one go but is wanting to add the defender on top.

The extra defensive midfielder is the tough one because I don't really know what to think about that, maybe KEA has been a big disappointment, but if so will it be easy to get the board to fund a replacement for him after 6months?

I know it is a name that has been discussed consistently on here forever but the defensive midfield replacement I

would go for is NRC. Think he would jump at the chance to come back and would walk into our midfield, in fact he could hop

into our midfield on one leg. Can't imagine he is currently on

huge wages either.
Moving on...

We are desperate, but we are trying to improve the quality. NRC is not that person by a long way ........

He isn't an improvement on the lightweights we have now? He isn't the most technically proficient footballer I agree but

atleast he gets a tackle in and may actually win the ball back. It's where we are now. We are leaking goals at an alarming

rate and have one if not the worst defences I have seen in the prem and putting Bannan, Ireland, Westwood or anything we

have at the moment in front of them is part of that.
But is he the only other midfielder on the planet?
Our midfield waltzed past him all day long against Ipswich
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 10, 2013, 08:40:47 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
PL will walk on Saturday if we lose.Just look at the body language of the man.
He has the look of a man who had opened the box of his Internet bride and found out its got a dick.

If this were the case perhaps the chick with a dick could be given a run out at centre half?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 10, 2013, 08:42:37 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 10, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
PL will walk on Saturday if we lose.Just look at the body language of the man.
He has the look of a man who had opened the box of his Internet bride and found out its got a dick.

If this were the case perhaps the chick with a dick could be given a run out at centre half?

I think he has the look that Mr O'Neill had in his final season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 10, 2013, 08:44:35 PM: NRC's agent apparently got in touch with Villa offering his services. Non starter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 08:48:29 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 10, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
NRC's agent apparently got in touch with Villa offering his services. Non starter.
Good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 10, 2013, 08:54:01 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 10, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 10, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 06:47:42 PM
PL will walk on Saturday if we lose.Just look at the body language of the man.
He has the look of a man who had opened the box of his Internet bride and found out its got a dick.

If this were the case perhaps the chick with a dick could be given a run out at centre half?

I think he has the look that Mr O'Neill had in his final season.

O Neill some believe walked because of financial reigning in by Lerner, lambert spoke to o Neill about the job before he came to us , can lightning strike again and would lambert walk out if Lerner has maybe moved the goalposts and not given him the money he expected ?

I agree his body language recently has looked very different to the touch line hopping manager that arrived only a few months ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 08:58:37 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 10, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
NRC's agent apparently got in touch with Villa offering his services. Non starter.
Good.

Agreed

I can't believe people are suggesting that he's worth having now, given that when he was here a few years ago, he was utterly, utterly mediocre.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:00:26 PM: Moussa Sissoko is the midfield answer to what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on January 10, 2013, 09:02:04 PM: Sissoko available for 4 mil? That's a steal... I would cream my pants if we could get him. I have no worries about his ability to adjust to the prem in an instant.

6'3" 200 pound midfielder with energy, strength in the tackle, good skills and almost Gabby quick would be a wet dream.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2013, 09:02:42 PM: He would be a long way towards it for certain. Him and the lad from Osasuna who looks a beast together in there would start to give us a platform to go forward from!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 09:13:59 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 10, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
NRC's agent apparently got in touch with Villa offering his services. Non starter.
Good.

Agreed

I can't believe people are suggesting that he's worth having now, given that when he was here a few years ago, he was utterly, utterly mediocre.

I would take mediocre now if it could tackle. Ireland or Reo Coker?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 10, 2013, 09:14:08 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 10, 2013, 08:18:38 PM
Did we pay 4 mil for Bennett - that was too much :o

£2.5m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:15:51 PM: Quote from: Caiphus on January 10, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
Sissoko available for 4 mil? That's a steal... I would cream my pants if we could get him. I have no worries about his ability to adjust to the prem in an instant.

6'3" 200 pound midfielder with energy, strength in the tackle, good skills and almost Gabby quick would be a wet dream.

Less he's 3.5 million euros apparently. It's an absolute steal and perfect for our midfield issue. Then we could look at defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2013, 09:16:25 PM: Nigel Reo Coker, has anybody considered getting him back? *shoots self in head*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 09:19:04 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 10, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 10, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
NRC's agent apparently got in touch with Villa offering his services. Non starter.
Good.

Agreed

I can't believe people are suggesting that he's worth having now, given that when he was here a few years ago, he was utterly, utterly mediocre.

I would take mediocre now if it could tackle. Ireland or Reo Coker?

Neither of them. Ireland isn't a tackling midfielder anyway, so it's not really relevant.

If we were looking at NRC and took him, it should be because he was the best available, not because he's played here once before and he's on a free. There's a reason he'd be free, he's not very good.

It might look like a decent idea now, but it'd take minutes of his first appearance until we started remembering how he can't pass the ball more than five yards, isn't such a tough tackler after all, and has absolutely no technical ability.

He's one of the most limited players I've seen play for us in a long, long time.

It's also worth noting that the last time he was seen at VP, ie last week, he was getting bypassed by our useless midfield, at will.

It is one of the most damning indictments of MON's purchases that we spunked 8m on him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:19:49 PM: Sissoko, plus a couple of defenders and I think we'd be alright. That would add steal and quality to our team for a fairly minimal outlay. Considering the tv deal for next season, it would be utter lunacy not to sign players. If we don't we will go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 10, 2013, 09:33:09 PM: I think sometimes posters dream up scenarios to fill the vacuum i really do. Lambert has had six months at the helm not six years if Randy was about to sack him i would seriously doubt his sanity. We have a club that has been bought to its knees by mismanagement at the top with overpaid non contributors causing serious financial problems. Lambert can only do so much, two key centrebacks injured and Nzog and gabby out for longish spells Lambert had to play kids and we got walloped, what did we expect? Give the guy a break.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 10, 2013, 09:35:26 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 10, 2013, 09:33:09 PM
I think sometimes posters dream up scenarios to fill the vacuum i really do. Lambert has had six months at the helm not six years if Randy was about to sack him i would seriously doubt his sanity. We have a club that has been bought to its knees by mismanagement at the top with overpaid non contributors causing serious financial problems. Lambert can only do so much, two key centrebacks injured and Nzog and gabby out for longish spells Lambert had to play kids and we got walloped, what did we expect? Give the guy a break.
No!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:38:02 PM: can't see us forking out the wages for Sissoka. Plus i think he'll have better offers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:43:54 PM: May as well give it a shot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:49:08 PM: well its worth a try Paul. Its just he's at one of the richest clubs in the world. Presumably he's that cheap because they want rid and that will offset his wage demands. plus he's 27-28? Last big contract and all that. Just can't see it with the financial culture prevailing at villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:50:17 PM: Nope he's at Toulose Greg, different Sissoko.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 09:50:31 PM: Will be interesting to see what PL has got to say in tomorrows press conference. His body language will tell us everything ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 10, 2013, 09:52:53 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
can't see us forking out the wages for Sissoka. Plus i think he'll have better offers.

There was an article in the Evening Standard this week where the author claimed that most footballers get paid a fraction of the wages seen in the premier league (also real and barca). He reported that Michu was on less than 5k a week before he moved to swansea. Admitted the author was a scout in spain and may have some vested interests but I'm pretty sure joining villa would still be a decent pay rise for a player coming from France (PSG being the probable exception).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 10, 2013, 09:53:44 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
Will be interesting to see what PL has got to say in tomorrows press conference. His body language will tell us everything ........

I beg to differ. He's not exactly Mr. Charisma, but I don't think that means he thinks everything has gone to shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:54:16 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:50:17 PM
Nope he's at Toulose Greg, different Sissoko.

ahhh. okay not the liverpool defensive midfielder one. sure somone was calling him momo earlier
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 09:57:18 PM: Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on January 10, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 10, 2013, 09:50:31 PM
Will be interesting to see what PL has got to say in tomorrows press conference. His body language will tell us everything ........

I beg to differ. He's not exactly Mr. Charisma, but I don't think that means he thinks everything has gone to shit.

He was laughing and joking last week in the press c. So lets hope he is still looking as confident ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:58:37 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:50:17 PM
Nope he's at Toulose Greg, different Sissoko.

ahhh. okay not the liverpool defensive midfielder one. sure somone was calling him momo earlier

Nope French international, 6'2 box to box type player. I think he's 24, but exactly what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on January 10, 2013, 09:58:42 PM: Moussa Sissoko, French 23 from Toulouse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moussa_Sissoko

as opposed to Mohammed/Momo, Mali 27 from PSG (ex Liverpool)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Sissoko
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:01:49 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:58:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 09:54:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2013, 09:50:17 PM
Nope he's at Toulose Greg, different Sissoko.

ahhh. okay not the liverpool defensive midfielder one. sure somone was calling him momo earlier

Nope French international, 6'2 box to box type player. I think he's 24, but exactly what we need.

well in that case we could afford his wages i guess. carry on. :0)

edit: although i would like a defensive midfielder
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM: My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 10, 2013, 10:14:01 PM: Quote from: john e on January 10, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
I can't see how if we win on Saturday Lambert suddenly becomes a good enough manager to keep on and given funds to spend, whearas if we lose he's rubbish and must be got rid of

Randy must by now either think he's the right man or is having massive doubts and looking for the best way out, which might be easier if we lost on Saturday to do, but it's a decision which has already been made

I think Randy is into Lambert for the long haul, I think there is a tipping point of no return, but we are not there yet, maybe if we lose the next 2 games and go out of the cup to Bradford we might be getting close, but that hasn't happened yet

Ulitimately it comes down to confidence in him securing us in the premier league. Losing on Saturday we'd have lost to our two direct rivals at home in the space of two weeks and suddenly the winnable games start to run out a bit.

A draw wouldn't be a total disaster but it wouldn't be great either as again another realistic opportunity of 3 points dosen't happen. We need 5 wins from somewhere and I'm looking at this game along with Reading, QPR, Fulham and West Ham as the games we need to win to be o.k.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2013, 10:14:59 PM: Moussa Sissoko would be perfect. Benteke like physique, good passer, good positioning, defends well, good engine. When i said a box-to-box player would be as good a choice as genuine defensive option I had him and M'Vila in mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:21:20 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 10, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: john e on January 10, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
I can't see how if we win on Saturday Lambert suddenly becomes a good enough manager to keep on and given funds to spend, whearas if we lose he's rubbish and must be got rid of

Randy must by now either think he's the right man or is having massive doubts and looking for the best way out, which might be easier if we lost on Saturday to do, but it's a decision which has already been made

I think Randy is into Lambert for the long haul, I think there is a tipping point of no return, but we are not there yet, maybe if we lose the next 2 games and go out of the cup to Bradford we might be getting close, but that hasn't happened yet

Ulitimately it comes down to confidence in him securing us in the premier league. Losing on Saturday we'd have lost to our two direct rivals at home in the space of two weeks and suddenly the winnable games start to run out a bit.

A draw wouldn't be a total disaster but it wouldn't be great either as again another realistic opportunity of 3 points dosen't happen. We need 5 wins from somewhere and I'm looking at this game along with Reading, QPR, Fulham and West Ham as the games we need to win to be o.k.

yep. its unwise to take things for granted but you'd have thought Lambert would have this game down as a win at the start of the season. I think southampton would be very pleased with a draw as far as their survival plans go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 10, 2013, 10:49:11 PM: It's a six pointer. Why the fcuk haven't we got players in to give ourselves a better chance of winning?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 10, 2013, 11:23:24 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 10, 2013, 10:49:11 PM
It's a six pointer. Why the fcuk haven't we got players in to give ourselves a better chance of winning?

Did you really expect to..?

We are Aston Villa and we are shrinking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2013, 12:34:34 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 10, 2013, 08:11:58 PM
How about a Bid for Gary Jones of Bradford.....at least it might stop him bossing our midfield in the second leg
I like your thinking here. Start discussion by going in heavy get him unsettled and than pull out after the second leg. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2013, 12:34:55 AM: Aston Villa have bid rejected for Inter Milan star
By Nick Rostron-Pike
Thursday, January 10, 2013
1

Aston Villa have had an offer for Philippe Coutinho turned down by Inter Milan, according to the player's agent.

The Brazil star has fallen down the pecking order at the San Siro and spent last season on loan at La Liga side Espanyol.

Southampton have also expressed an interest in the 20-year-old but it appears the Villans were the first to act, although their initial bid was rejected.

Coutinho's agent, Cacau Barbosa, told FC Inter News that a approach was made by the Midlands club, but claimed nothing has been agreed over a possible move to Villa Park.

"I can confirm Aston Villa made an enquiry for Coutinho," he said. "They want him, but with all due respect for the proposal made to Philippe, at this moment there is still nothing concrete to suggest an exit from Inter."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 11, 2013, 12:50:42 AM: Breaking news... :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 11, 2013, 01:51:04 AM: 'Arry in for Dunne?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qpr-transfers-richard-dunne-of-aston-1528597

Probably the only player in the universe he hasn't been linked with thus far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 01:57:49 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 11, 2013, 01:51:04 AM
'Arry in for Dunne?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qpr-transfers-richard-dunne-of-aston-1528597

Probably the only player in the universe he hasn't been linked with thus far.

The same Dunne that has been injured all season and there is still no news on when he will return? Would suggest there might be other reasons he hasn't featured if clubs are looking to sign him. I wouldn't have thought clubs would be looking to sign a player with no return from injury date.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 02:24:52 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 01:57:49 AM
Quote from: Matt C on January 11, 2013, 01:51:04 AM
'Arry in for Dunne?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qpr-transfers-richard-dunne-of-aston-1528597

Probably the only player in the universe he hasn't been linked with thus far.

The same Dunne that has been injured all season and there is still no news on when he will return? Would suggest there might be other reasons he hasn't featured if clubs are looking to sign him. I wouldn't have thought clubs would be looking to sign a player with no return from injury date.
Because the big daft oaf played with injections through the Euros during Irelands scintilating progress through the tournament the fkin idiot has probably finished his career. tossa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2013, 02:33:15 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off

Dearie me, no need for that at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM: Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 11, 2013, 06:59:15 AM: Hawkeye - best apologise. You may have a little holiday coming up otherwise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 07:39:01 AM: Well the papers are not exactly bursting at the seams with players linked to us today. Oh well, looks like "we go again" with no reinforcements against Southampton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2013, 07:42:36 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off

No need for the last bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 08:45:15 AM: Villa please fucking sign some good players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 08:55:39 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Villa please fucking sign some good players.
Truely am starting the believe that PL is not being backed and we will have to 'go again' with what we have.
The most concerning thing is that it looks like we are being prepped for relegation. I had a mate who supports Torquay even text me to say "has RL decided your already down and preparing a championship team of youngsters"
Depressing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 11, 2013, 09:00:16 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off

If you are going to criticise someones badly written blog it may be wise for you to put the spell-checker through your own post first.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 09:05:26 AM: It's very apparent we need defenders at the very least, Vlaar is chronically injured as is Dunne and that leaves two rookie centre halves who aren't coping. Also the midfield is clearly not good enough, so unless we address these issues we will go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Randy Gurner on January 11, 2013, 09:06:15 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off

As a devout reader/lurker of h&v this post is about as depressing as Villas current situation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM: Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:07:37 AM: Randy gurner- what a great name , I like that!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM: Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:26:15 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Villa please fucking sign some good players.

It's frustrating and we do need them in but these things take a while sometimes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 09:30:22 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Villa please fucking sign some good players.

It's frustrating and we do need them in but these things take a while sometimes.

Exactly.

We may have several good players lined up (and I'd stake my house that we have), but unfortunately they may be holding out to see if a better offer comes first.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 11, 2013, 09:31:14 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
Villa please fucking sign some good players.

It's frustrating and we do need them in but these things take a while sometimes.

No matter what people think of Paul Lambert, there is no way that he will not want players in this month. His job and his pride are at stake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:31:34 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Glad to see you keeping your reputation intact clampy!

Personally I enjoy a read of daves article each week and have nothing against curious oranges article either although maybe he could perhaps copy and paste it here rather than linking it as some seem unhappy with posting a link?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 09:32:48 AM: Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:47:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 10, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
My latest Villa article is, surprise surprise, about our transfer policy. Check it out here: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/10-01-2013/villa-need-experience-now-youngsters-later/810957
is there not some rule about advertising badly written blogs on the main forum?
if you have something to say, then say it here.To keep reffering members of this site to rubbish you have said on another site is not etiquette.
By the way, despite the fact that you have a blog does not automaticaly mean that you have anything that is either usefull or interesting to say. I hope you have a day job.Now fuck off

Now apologise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:34:02 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Glad to see you keeping your reputation intact clampy!

What's that supposed to mean Eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 09:35:32 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Glad to see you keeping your reputation intact clampy!

What's that supposed to mean Eastie?

Are you some kind of Terry figure to Dave's Arthur Daly?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:35:41 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Glad to see you keeping your reputation intact clampy!

What's that supposed to mean Eastie?

Personally I enjoy a read of daves article each week and have nothing against curious oranges article either although maybe he could perhaps copy and paste it here rather than linking it as some seem unhappy with posting a link?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:37:16 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Glad to see you keeping your reputation intact clampy!

What's that supposed to mean Eastie?

Personally I enjoy a read of daves article each week and have nothing against curious oranges article either although maybe he could perhaps copy and paste it here rather than linking it as some seem unhappy with posting a link?

You did'nt answer my question.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:41:31 AM: Get a room boys, if you want to argue do it via mail, so we don't have to scroll past these page long quote bitch-a-thons. The thread is called transfer speculation not bitch fighting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:45:02 AM: Point taken and noted gonzo !

With Vlaar back in training it takes away the urgency of signing a defender so maybe midfield will be the target area for a new signing, or do people still feel we need another defender even if Vlaar will be fit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 09:45:32 AM: Clampy and eastie, i've had to ask before for you two to stop taking over threads with your squabbling. Please pack it in a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 09:45:44 AM: I don't think it does take the urgency away at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 09:46:05 AM: Signed anyone yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 11, 2013, 09:46:30 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:41:31 AM
Get a room boys, if you want to argue do it via mail, so we don't have to scroll past these page long quote bitch-a-thons. The thread is called transfer speculation not bitch fighting.

in fairness the odd bitch-a-thon does give us a break from all the transfer news and busy player signing schedule we have to endure at this time of year
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:46:33 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Clampy and eastie, i've had to ask before for you two to stop taking over threads with your squabbling. Please pack it in a bit.

As above point taken and noted pws!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:48:32 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 09:45:44 AM
I don't think it does take the urgency away at all.

So you feel we still need another defender even if Vlaar is back Paul?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 11, 2013, 09:50:19 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:45:02 AM
With Vlaar back in training it takes away the urgency of signing a defender so maybe midfield will be the target area for a new signing, or do people still feel we need another defender even if Vlaar will be fit?

I think so, if he gets injured again we're in deep shit. There's a reason why teams do not play two young central defenders together, and they pretty much always pair them up with more experienced one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:52:18 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 11, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:45:02 AM
With Vlaar back in training it takes away the urgency of signing a defender so maybe midfield will be the target area for a new signing, or do people still feel we need another defender even if Vlaar will be fit?

I think so, if he gets injured again we're in deep shit. There's a reason why teams do not play two young central defenders together, and they pretty much always pair them up with more experienced one.

I suppose it depends what finances are available and who we are after in other areas , still seems all quiet on the dunne front , I'm starting to think we won't see him again in a villa shirt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Smoke on January 11, 2013, 09:56:11 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 11, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:45:02 AM
With Vlaar back in training it takes away the urgency of signing a defender so maybe midfield will be the target area for a new signing, or do people still feel we need another defender even if Vlaar will be fit?

I think so, if he gets injured again we're in deep shit. There's a reason why teams do not play two young central defenders together, and they pretty much always pair them up with more experienced one.

I suppose it depends what finances are available and who we are after in other areas , still seems all quiet on the dunne front , I'm starting to think we won't see him again in a villa shirt.

Well they do only go up to XXL now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:58:26 AM: It seems strange to have put so much money into Dunne's rehab if we are just going to let him go in this window, especially as we are crying out for a bit of leadership and experience. I think he'll be with us until the summer then he'll be off to burger camp with NY.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:01:06 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
It seems strange to have put so much money into Dunne's rehab if we are just going to let him go in this window, especially as we are crying out for a bit of leadership and experience. I think he'll be with us until the summer then he'll be off to burger camp with NY.

When does the mls begin? I wonder if they would take him on a free and save us a few months paying his wage?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 10:08:41 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
It seems strange to have put so much money into Dunne's rehab if we are just going to let him go in this window, especially as we are crying out for a bit of leadership and experience. I think he'll be with us until the summer then he'll be off to burger camp with NY.
Unless someone else has been paying his rehab?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 10:08:47 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 09:45:44 AM
I don't think it does take the urgency away at all.

So you feel we still need another defender even if Vlaar is back Paul?

Absolutely for two reasons. Firstly Clark needs to be taken out of the firing line and I don't think Baker is up to starting week in week out. Secondly with Vlaar's injury record I wouldn't want to rely on him staying fit for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:12:13 AM: I suppose better safe than sorry, I had been impressed with baker and thought with him back gongs would improve but I was shocked how poor he looked at bradford and Clark wasnt any better either, maybe one of the, alongside Vlaar would see things settle down a bit , but both are now struggling for form at a crucial time.

Perhaps we could pick up another defender on loan as cover.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:12:15 AM: I think it would be madness to let Dunne go this window unless an experienced replacement is found but then I'd still be inclined to keep him until his contract expires in the summer. Couped to Vlaar back that would at least tighten up the defence, provide us with options and also give us the opportunity for Clark to cover the growing concern at left back should the need arise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 10:14:50 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
I suppose better safe than sorry, I had been impressed with baker and thought with him back gongs would improve but I was shocked how poor he looked at bradford and Clark wasnt any better either, maybe one of the, alongside Vlaar would see things settle down a bit , but both are now struggling for form at a crucial time.

Perhaps we could pick up another defender on loan as cover.

I think we need to sign a starting centre half. If Baker and Clark are good enough they'll force their way into the team, at the moment they're not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM: Quote from: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
I think it would be madness to let Dunne go this window unless an experienced replacement is found but then I'd still be inclined to keep him until his contract expires in the summer. Couped to Vlaar back that would at least tighten up the defence, provide us with options and also give us the opportunity for Clark to cover the growing concern at left back should the need arise.

Dunne hasn't been great since his 1st season under MON.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 10:22:10 AM: I think it may be worth us bringing in two. Baker picks up injuries easily and Vlaar may suffer a setback to his latest one. I know we can throw Lowton in there but it's not ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:24:46 AM: @thegoalzone: Villa defender Ron Vlarr training with first team today .. Dunne still few weeks away .. Bent out injured

Dunne still a long way off then it seems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:26:25 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 10:22:10 AM
I think it may be worth us bringing in two. Baker picks up injuries easily and Vlaar may suffer a setback to his latest one. I know we can throw Lowton in there but it's not ideal.

Depending what money is available elsewhere, I think we need two midfielders for sure and one defender , although we may be able to do a couple of loan deals if money isn't available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 10:26:56 AM: Vlaar won't be fit for tomorrow, but hopefully next week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 11, 2013, 10:27:05 AM: Quote from: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
I think it would be madness to let Dunne go this window unless an experienced replacement is found but then I'd still be inclined to keep him until his contract expires in the summer. Couped to Vlaar back that would at least tighten up the defence, provide us with options and also give us the opportunity for Clark to cover the growing concern at left back should the need arise.

Dunne hasn't been great since his 1st season under MON.

He'd get in the team at the moment surely. The problem is his never-ending injury.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 10:29:54 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
@thegoalzone: Villa defender Ron Vlarr training with first team today .. Dunne still few weeks away .. Bent out injured

Dunne still a long way off then it seems.

A 32 inch waist?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:34:06 AM: @patmurphybbc: Richard Dunne hopes to be training with @AVFCOfficial 1st team next week.The pairing with Ron Vlaar can't come soon enough if Dunne gets fit

@patmurphybbc: Darren Bent has medial ligament injury after colliding with Bradford's keeper.Could be out for at least 10 days,missing return v Bradford

Seems strange conflict in quotes with Tom Ross tweeting dunne is still weeks away and murphy saying training next week, maybe one of them didn't understand what lambert said ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 10:36:13 AM: Well we are desperate for experience in defence. So Vlaar and Dunne would be a relief.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:37:38 AM: Quote from: Meanwood Villa on January 11, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
I think it would be madness to let Dunne go this window unless an experienced replacement is found but then I'd still be inclined to keep him until his contract expires in the summer. Couped to Vlaar back that would at least tighten up the defence, provide us with options and also give us the opportunity for Clark to cover the growing concern at left back should the need arise.

Dunne hasn't been great since his 1st season under MON.

He'd get in the team at the moment surely. The problem is his never-ending injury.

Milk turns faster, I really don't think he has anything to offer us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:37:48 AM: @MatKendrick: Vlaar possibly back, Westwood back, Bent out, Herd out, Albrighton out, Dunne out, Given out, Gardner out #avfc #haveimissedanyoneout

Seems given injured as well now then ?
I wonder If Vlaar will play tomorrow , we threw three straight back in last weekend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on January 11, 2013, 10:40:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
@patmurphybbc: Richard Dunne hopes to be training with @AVFCOfficial 1st team next week.The pairing with Ron Vlaar can't come soon enough if Dunne gets fit

@patmurphybbc: Darren Bent has medial ligament injury after colliding with Bradford's keeper.Could be out for at least 10 days,missing return v Bradford

Seems strange conflict in quotes with Tom Ross tweeting dunne is still weeks away and murphy saying training next week, maybe one of them didn't understand what lambert said ?

I posted a link somewhere to news that Dunne had had a third op on his groin on 15th December and would be fit in 6 weeks or so, so the Murphy quote ties in with that time scale. Time will tell I guess
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 10:40:47 AM: If he's fit, then I hope he does we need him back. Good to hear Westwood is back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:45:44 AM: Quote from: CJ on January 11, 2013, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
@patmurphybbc: Richard Dunne hopes to be training with @AVFCOfficial 1st team next week.The pairing with Ron Vlaar can't come soon enough if Dunne gets fit

@patmurphybbc: Darren Bent has medial ligament injury after colliding with Bradford's keeper.Could be out for at least 10 days,missing return v Bradford

Seems strange conflict in quotes with Tom Ross tweeting dunne is still weeks away and murphy saying training next week, maybe one of them didn't understand what lambert said ?

I posted a link somewhere to news that Dunne had had a third op on his groin on 15th December and would be fit in 6 weeks or so, so the Murphy quote ties in with that time scale. Time will tell I guess

Unless lambert said weeks away and murphy misunderstood him , either that or lambert said a week away and Tom Ross misunderstood? Maybe we need an interpreter there .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on January 11, 2013, 10:48:51 AM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
It seems strange to have put so much money into Dunne's rehab if we are just going to let him go in this window, especially as we are crying out for a bit of leadership and experience. I think he'll be with us until the summer then he'll be off to burger camp with NY.

Surely the club would be giving him the treatment he need anyway, regardless of his situation. It would be their obligation I would have thought. He's a player that belongs to Aston villa so whether he's off in the summer or not his treatment wouldn't be effected. You can't tell a player to go and sort your own treatment out as you'll be off in the summer. He is still under contract.

Not that I know anything about these things. It's just my thoughts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:59:17 AM: Quote from: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on January 11, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: Lambert and Payne on January 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
I think it would be madness to let Dunne go this window unless an experienced replacement is found but then I'd still be inclined to keep him until his contract expires in the summer. Couped to Vlaar back that would at least tighten up the defence, provide us with options and also give us the opportunity for Clark to cover the growing concern at left back should the need arise.

Dunne hasn't been great since his 1st season under MON.

He'd get in the team at the moment surely. The problem is his never-ending injury.

Milk turns faster, I really don't think he has anything to offer us

Totally understand that point of view, but don't think we would have been battered with a pairing of Dunne/Clark or Dunne/Baker in recent weeks. You could see Clark and Baker getting pulled all over the place, an experienced man at the back would have been keeping things tight, reading the game better, Clark & Baker's confidence must be at an all time low, which is a shame as both have potential but are in need of a leader at the back, a role I still think Dunne can fill for us until the summer, or help cover pending Vlaar's recovery and injury problems/history.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 11, 2013, 11:05:42 AM: As much as we need certain players back quickly, rushing them back might be worse for them and us. I would have thought Vlaar will need another month or so to get back up to speed with training etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:06:38 AM: If and a big if Vlaar and Dunne can stay fit until the end of the season, then I think we could afford to loan a centre half, buy a left back and get a couple of midfielders in. We still need at least 3/4 players though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM: Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 11:10:31 AM: If we do have a fair chunk in the kitty it would be pretty stupid for Lambert to come out with "I'm after a boatload of players and have a fortune to spend"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 11:11:52 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: CJ on January 11, 2013, 10:40:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 10:34:06 AM
@patmurphybbc: Richard Dunne hopes to be training with @AVFCOfficial 1st team next week.The pairing with Ron Vlaar can't come soon enough if Dunne gets fit

@patmurphybbc: Darren Bent has medial ligament injury after colliding with Bradford's keeper.Could be out for at least 10 days,missing return v Bradford

Seems strange conflict in quotes with Tom Ross tweeting dunne is still weeks away and murphy saying training next week, maybe one of them didn't understand what lambert said ?

I posted a link somewhere to news that Dunne had had a third op on his groin on 15th December and would be fit in 6 weeks or so, so the Murphy quote ties in with that time scale. Time will tell I guess

Unless lambert said weeks away and murphy misunderstood him , either that or lambert said a week away and Tom Ross misunderstood? Maybe we need an interpreter there .

Perhaps it's something as simple as one talking about when he'll return to training and one talking about when he'll be playing again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:12:38 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
If we do have a fair chunk in the kitty it would be pretty stupid for Lambert to come out with "I'm after a boatload of players and have a fortune to spend"

Nobody's asking him what he's got to spend but he seems to be the one who is highlighting the finance issue each time he's asked which maybe implies he's not being given much ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 11:14:04 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
If we do have a fair chunk in the kitty it would be pretty stupid for Lambert to come out with "I'm after a boatload of players and have a fortune to spend"

Nobody's asking him what he's got to spend but he seems to be highlighting the finance but each time he's asked which maybe implies he's not being given much ?

Which possibly makes it less likely clubs will try and fleece us over fees if they think we can't up our offers much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 11, 2013, 11:14:25 AM: Or Randy playing Hard-to-get. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:14:26 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.

If so lets get on with it, we can't afford to drop points while waiting for new signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:15:28 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 11, 2013, 11:14:25 AM
Or Randy playing Hard-to-get. ;D

Yes indeed ,maybe he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:24:51 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.

If so lets get on with it, we can't afford to drop points while waiting for new signings.

I agree with that, it should be done asap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:26:11 AM: Uncle Harry going back in for Olssen, Danny graham ' good player you'd like to have him , belongs to Swansea, gallas good player but he belongs to spurs , I like him "

Olssen or gallas would be interesting , although Harry seems to think Olssen wants a move to London.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 11, 2013, 11:31:33 AM: Olssen is a good player. If they rejected 6 mill though, it's too much for him. But he'd be a player who'd improve our back line.
I think sadly, HR is gonna make 2-3 decent signings and players seem to want to play for him so some may take a drop into a relegation scrap.

Lambert has to start moving to keep up. Reading and Southampton won't have much to spend. Nor will Wigan but Martinez has pulled them out of it the last couple of years, so I wouldn't bet against him again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:32:38 AM: QPR boss Harry Redknapp is competing with LA Galaxy and New York Red Bulls for Aston Villa defender Richard Dunne.

Republic of Ireland centre-backv Dunne has not played since Euro 2012 following surgery on a long-term hip problem, but hopes to return to training within the fortnight.

The 33-year-old will be out of contract at the end of the season.

Redknapp is a long-standing admirer of Dunne's, and tried to sign the
Irishman for Spurs four years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:34:50 AM: Quote from: supertom on January 11, 2013, 11:31:33 AM
Olssen is a good player. If they rejected 6 mill though, it's too much for him. But he'd be a player who'd improve our back line.
I think sadly, HR is gonna make 2-3 decent signings and players seem to want to play for him so some may take a drop into a relegation scrap.

Lambert has to start moving to keep up. Reading and Southampton won't have much to spend. Nor will Wigan but Martinez has pulled them out of it the last couple of years, so I wouldn't bet against him again.

I don't know , saints have been linked with coutinho at £10m and a couple of other expensive players, I think their owners would spent a fair bit

Reading have money but don't think they will spend big .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:40:00 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 11, 2013, 11:40:21 AM: Didn't they spend 12mill on that Ramirez chap?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
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Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?

For the players he's looking at.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:43:54 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 AM
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Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?

For the players he's looking at.
Nah ! Do we have any ideas on who he is looking at or is it all top secret again ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 11:48:39 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
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Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?

For the players he's looking at.
Nah ! Do we have any ideas on who he is looking at or is it all top secret again ?

We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:51:08 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?

For the players he's looking at.
Nah ! Do we have any ideas on who he is looking at or is it all top secret again ?

We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you ;)
Not a problem :o dont care as long as we do not go down and we sign some quality players. The gun is loaded, all you have to do is pull the trigger after you tell me who we are after ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 11, 2013, 11:51:21 AM: Think part of the problem at the moment is that we need re-enforcements now! The fact that all appears quiet is somewhat unnerving. An addition to the back or middle wouldn't have gone amiss against Southampton. I just hope we don't end up regreting not getting new faces in earlier than it looks like we will do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 11:58:03 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”

Looks like randy is stalling to give him the money to me .

Sounds similar to me to what Mcleish was saying , he reckoned he had no clue whatsoever he was going to be sacked and reading that I don't think randy is going to back lambert financially - the writing may be on the wall tomorrow if we lose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM: Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 11, 2013, 12:05:47 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”

IMO we do have the money, Randy just doesn't want to invest. He needs to sell up asap otherwise he won't get many offers for a Championship team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 12:07:01 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”

At least he sees the middle is the issue, clearly he's already in the process of sorting it but doesn't want to say. So brings me back again to Moussa Sissoko, perfect player for us and not expensive either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:07:17 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 11, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”

IMO we do have the money, Randy just doesn't want to invest. He needs to sell up asap otherwise he won't get many offers for a Championship team.

Well we know randy has the money, but it seems to me he's not going to give lambert it to spend.
I really do think lambert will be gone if we lose tomorrow , and if he does have a new man in place he may be one he gives some money to instead.

I think Lerner is stalling on him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:07:44 PM: Lambert may well mean that the players we bring in have to fit in with the wage structure. There might not be a problem transfer fee wise (within reason obviously). We seemed happy enough to spend £9m on Clint Dempsey had it come off. Also like Lambert said, he dose'nt want to sign just anybody.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 12:11:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
Lambert may well mean that the players we bring in have to fit in with the wage structure. There might not be a problem transfer fee wise (within reason obviously). We seemed happy enough to spend £9m on Clint Dempsey had it come off. Also like Lambert said, he dose'nt want to sign just anybody.

I suspect that would have been at the expense of Benteke, or it was an effort put pressure on Genk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:12:11 PM: Whoever is or isn't manager without a decent outlay for transfers this month this club will probably be relegated and it will cost us far more than the £20m or so that may keep us up - a huge gamble.

It's ok trying to run on a tighter budget but not with such a huge risk of relegation , we need to buy quality players - then even if we did go down there would still be saleable assets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 11, 2013, 12:13:16 PM: It hasn't been Villa's method to go public about who they are interested in, so why should it be any different now?

It's been rumoured that Lerner has given PL a budget of £10m and if that's correct, then it will need spending wisely, preferably on a couple of experienced players (midfield/central defender) dpending on when Vlaar is back, plus any extra money from selling players if anyone wants our cast offs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:15:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 12:11:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
Lambert may well mean that the players we bring in have to fit in with the wage structure. There might not be a problem transfer fee wise (within reason obviously). We seemed happy enough to spend £9m on Clint Dempsey had it come off. Also like Lambert said, he dose'nt want to sign just anybody.

I suspect that would have been at the expense of Benteke, or it was an effort put pressure on Genk.

Maybe, although at the time i was watching the transfer window final day and the Sky chap camped outside the training ground said that Lambert had been asked if Dempsey would have come in as well as Benteke and he said yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:15:53 PM: Quote from: Boz on January 11, 2013, 12:13:16 PM
It hasn't been Villa's method to go public about who they are interested in, so why should it be any different now?

It's been rumoured that Lerner has given PL a budget of £10m and if that's correct, then it will need spending wisely, preferably on a couple of experienced players (midfield/central defender) dpending on when Vlaar is back, plus any extra money from selling players if anyone wants our cast offs.

I don't think £10m is enough considering the amount at stake if relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:16:18 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
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Tom Ross

@thegoalzone: Villa boss Paul Lambert says he has a couple of players in mind to sign but it will depend on finance

I thought the finance was sorted out during randys meeting with him at new year ?

THat's encouraging, he's not going to come out and say we have a load of money is he. I suspect he does have the finance.
The finance for what and who though ?

For the players he's looking at.
Nah ! Do we have any ideas on who he is looking at or is it all top secret again ?

We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you ;)
Not a problem :o dont care as long as we do not go down and we sign some quality players. The gun is loaded, all you have to do is pull the trigger after you tell me who we are after ;)

If you knew the targets, you may want to top yourself!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:18:36 PM: In truth, none of us know what the budget is. £10m is a figure that's been thrown in the air. It may be right but we'll have to see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:23:29 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.

Unless he has lost faith in the current manager ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2013, 12:27:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 11, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/01/11/ron-vlaar-could-be-thrown-back-in-for-aston-villa/

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The Villa boss admitted that he will try to make “one or two” signings before the transfer window but indicated he will be forced to operate within tight budget specified by owner Randy Lerner.

Lambert said: “I understand the finances of it. The club cannot go into major debt. It’s got to watch itself. It’s something I will meet head on.

“ I have spoken to him. There are one or two lads there that we will try to get. A lot is dictated by finance. We need a bit of strength in the middle of the pitch.

“But prices in January can be so inflated that you can pay through the nose for someone and it’s a guy you maybe don’t want at the club.

"We have to build this club and not let it go back to what has happened before.”

IMO we do have the money, Randy just doesn't want to invest. He needs to sell up asap otherwise he won't get many offers for a Championship team.

Well we know randy has the money, but it seems to me he's not going to give lambert it to spend.
I really do think lambert will be gone if we lose tomorrow , and if he does have a new man in place he may be one he gives some money to instead.

I think Lerner is stalling on him.

Judging by those quotes in the article I disagree. I actually think Lerner would stick with him even if we were relegated as all the indictions even when they were searching for a manager was that they wanted someone long term and someone prepared to deal with the constraints of the job. For me that's encouraging as they're clearly not looking for a quick fix which will get us no where in the long run. Whether that means us being relegated which is obviously now a real possibilty we'll see I suppose. It definitely seems as mentioned previously that they're preparing for the worst case scenario.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:30:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.

Unless he has lost faith in the current manager ?

Not really relevant to the point on Randy's spending, as even if he did pull the plug on Lambert the new guy would have the same issues and need the same reinforcements.

And just for the record, I don't think he has lost faith in him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 12:34:40 PM: I severley doubt Lerner has lost faith in Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 12:35:06 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.

Unless he has lost faith in the current manager ?

Not really relevant to the point on Randy's spending, as even if he did pull the plug on Lambert the new guy would have the same issues and need the same reinforcements.

And just for the record, I don't think he has lost faith in him.

No i don't think he has either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:37:08 PM: I don't see why he would risk relegation and the loss of tens of millions for the sake of just maybe a few extra million now which may save all those tens of millions?

He backed houllier when he needed it.

Regarding losing faith I guess if we lose badly tomorrow we will find out one way or the other - I hope we win and can get the players in we need , but if lambert only gets £10m I fear the worst.
I feel sorry for him as he needs backing to turn his around and if he has identified players but can't get them due to finance issues it's going to be hard to survive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:40:51 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.
Granted. However I don't think it would be too much for PL to say something along the lines of
"I know we do need some fresh faces and I know the areas of concern"
His comments instead just sound like they havnt even really gone past an initial 'chat' about a couple of people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 11, 2013, 12:43:01 PM: I would rather we get people in before the 1st having said very little than to make a number of encouraging quotes which ultimately doesn't result in the arrival of anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 12:45:35 PM: It's not a money issue up to a point(obviously you need to spend some) it's identifying the correct player. For example spending 3.5 million Euros on Sissoko would cost less than say £8 millon on James McCarthy. But I know which would be the better deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2013, 12:49:15 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 12:37:08 PM
I don't see why he would risk relegation and the loss of tens of millions for the sake of just maybe a few extra million now which may save all those tens of millions?

He backed houllier when he needed it.

Regarding losing faith I guess if we lose badly tomorrow we will find out one way or the other - I hope we win and can get the players in we need , but if lambert only gets £10m I fear the worst.

I think the financial situation must have changed since Houllier. Regarding the lack of signings, another issue that seems to keep cropping up is the fact that Lambert doesn't just want talented players, they need to have the right attitude and personality to fit in, which would also probably hinder signings he wants in January as our target list is probably quite specific. Maybe the right guys are just not available at this point in the window?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 12:55:26 PM: I think what has happened is RL and PL had a chat a few weeks ago with Lambert saying I want the lad from Crewe and the lad from Charlton probably gonna cost us 4 million tops , which Randy agreed . THEN!!!!

Lambert did not expect the results to be as bad as they are , he is under pressure and now knows he needs top quality NOW!!! with experience and probably gone to Randy with now a bigger budget and Randy has replied ' get the fuck out brother , I thought we talked about to get costs down'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 11, 2013, 12:55:45 PM: It's not encouraging is it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 12:57:12 PM: £10m is enuogh if it's well spent.

Sissoko at £3m is a steal, Douglas is probably available for similar or less. Both are available free in the summer but 5-6m is worth spending if they help us turn things round this season.

That leaves 4-5m to find a wide player and a full back, make one of those a loan and we'd be fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 11, 2013, 12:59:12 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

I think a lot of kidology goes on during transfer windows as the last thing you want a selling club you may be talking to hearing is we've got money to spend! We spent £25m in the summer, which is a decent amount, so based on that I'm willing to wait and see what happens money wise before I blast Randy for not supporting his manager.
Granted. However I don't think it would be too much for PL to say something along the lines of
"I know we do need some fresh faces and I know the areas of concern"
His comments instead just sound like they havnt even really gone past an initial 'chat' about a couple of people.

I don't think they're meant to. We knew when he took over that Lambert was not the sort to give much away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 01:01:18 PM: Has anyone actually seen Sissoko play, or are they like me and try to sign him as soon as possible on Champ Manager because his stats are good and he's cheap?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 01:06:00 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 12:57:12 PM
£10m is enuogh if it's well spent.

Sissoko at £3m is a steal, Douglas is probably available for similar or less. Both are available free in the summer but 5-6m is worth spending if they help us turn things round this season.

That leaves 4-5m to find a wide player and a full back, make one of those a loan and we'd be fine.

it just isn't that simple though is it? What if Sissoko wants wages that are outrageous, and his agent is angling for a fee that the club simply disagree on. We don't know what is being demanded. If anything the transfer fee is the easiest bit to negotiate because it is a number between the buyer and seller but there is so much more that likely goes into a deal than I've mentioned. This isn't a slight at you Paul, but this isn't Football Manager where deals are a click of a button. Villa have got a structure now in place that for better or for worse they are going to stick and because the scars of the past regimes have yet to properly heal. I have no doubt they have players identified and are working to get those deals done, but I don't think it's as easy as saying this is what we have so let's get the deals done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 01:18:10 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 01:06:00 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 12:57:12 PM
£10m is enuogh if it's well spent.

Sissoko at £3m is a steal, Douglas is probably available for similar or less. Both are available free in the summer but 5-6m is worth spending if they help us turn things round this season.

That leaves 4-5m to find a wide player and a full back, make one of those a loan and we'd be fine.

it just isn't that simple though is it? What if Sissoko wants wages that are outrageous, and his agent is angling for a fee that the club simply disagree on. We don't know what is being demanded. If anything the transfer fee is the easiest bit to negotiate because it is a number between the buyer and seller but there is so much more that likely goes into a deal than I've mentioned. This isn't a slight at you Paul, but this isn't Football Manager where deals are a click of a button. Villa have got a structure now in place that for better or for worse they are going to stick and because the scars of the past regimes have yet to properly heal. I have no doubt they have players identified and are working to get those deals done, but I don't think it's as easy as saying this is what we have so let's get the deals done.

But none of that is relevant to the point that a transfer budget of £10m isn't enough. I've given examples of 2 of the 3-4 players we need who could be picked up easily with that transfer budget. The wages is a different situation and it may be that those players would want to much, or are not on our list of targets.

I understand there's a lot more too it, I was merely pointing out that the calls for us to spend 20-30m or we'll go down are, in my opinion, wide of the mark.

To go back to wages I doubt those 2 would ask for much more than Dunne and Warnock are pulling between them, both of whom are into the last 6 months with us so it would only be a temporary increase in the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on January 11, 2013, 01:19:06 PM: I've always thought that with fixtures coming thick and fast in the first half of this month we weren't likely to see any activity until after tomorrow's game - Lambert then has a full week before the Albion game to invest some time getting the deals done before another stupidly congested period of matches (made worse by the Millwall game being brought forward to the Friday night).
Now we just need to see things happen - and on the back of a win tomorrow everything will look a lot more rosy before the Smethwick game and ahead of the second leg. On the other hand, if this time next week nothing has happened then I shall start to be concerned as the current lot clearly need some help.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 01:21:35 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 01:01:18 PM
Has anyone actually seen Sissoko play, or are they like me and try to sign him as soon as possible on Champ Manager because his stats are good and he's cheap?

Yes a couple of times, he looks a lot like Essien did before he went to Chelsea. Big, athletic and works his socks off, he's hasn't progressed as well as expected though, which is why we have a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 11, 2013, 01:22:57 PM: I've never forgiven Sissoko for that Thong song.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:30:18 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 01:01:18 PM
Has anyone actually seen Sissoko play, or are they like me and try to sign him as soon as possible on Champ Manager because his stats are good and he's cheap?

Yes a couple of times, he looks a lot like Essien did before he went to Chelsea. Big, athletic and works his socks off, he's hasn't progressed as well as expected though, which is why we have a chance.

Same seen him play a few times in the French league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:36:18 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 11, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
It's not encouraging is it.

Agree, Lerner outlined his blueprint for us to be relegated in August 2010. So far, it's all going to plan and should eventually come to fruition in May 2013.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 01:41:10 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

That's how I read it too. They are accepting that there is a good likelihood we'll go down and don't want to splurge the money for an ultimately futile attempt at staying up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM: I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 01:45:32 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 11, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
It's not encouraging is it.

Agree, Lerner outlined his blueprint for us to be relegated in August 2010. So far, it's all going to plan and should eventually come to fruition in May 2013.

What rubbish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2013, 01:46:32 PM: Quote from: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

That's how I read it too. They are accepting that there is a good likelihood we'll go down and don't want to splurge the money for an ultimately futile attempt at staying up.

Complete and utter nonsense. There is no chance that the club is 'being prepared for relegation'. The club is being moved to not require any more cash from Lerner to cover running costs, it's not been done as well as we'd like but that's what the plan is, stay in the league, get the wages sorted so the big money goes to the best players and the squad filler is relatively cheap, but with time on their side to grow into being quality.

We're not doing a great job of seeing it through but that's the plan. The idea that Lerner is expecting to be relegated and budgeting around that is so far from reality that I can only think people suggesting it are on a wind up. If we do end up going down it will be a disaster, the club know that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 11, 2013, 01:47:20 PM: Seriously? Do you honestly think that the club has a tacit policy to allow us to be relegated? I mean I read some things on here over the years, but this one really is into the realms of WTF.

Please give me one possible positive financial reason to allow us to go down?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 11, 2013, 01:48:50 PM: Of all the concerned opinion I have seen over the past few months, the idea that we're being deliberately prepared for relegation takes top spot in the complete and utter bollocks awards.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:50:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:36:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 11, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
It's not encouraging is it.

Agree, Lerner outlined his blueprint for us to be relegated in August 2010. So far, it's all going to plan and should eventually come to fruition in May 2013.

What rubbish.

We'll see come May.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: caster troy on January 11, 2013, 01:50:36 PM: The bottom line is we're in a dogfight with Sunderland, Newcastle, Southampton, Wigan, Reading and QPR. Whatever the rights and wrongs of higher fees in January, risks with wages etc, if we get outfought in the transfer market by these clubs we will be disadvantaged in the second half of the season. Realistically we will also be competing for the same pot of available players. Not signing someone that would improve the team for the sake of an extra 10K a week or a £250k agents fee is a dangerous game.

Imagine if Wenger had decided not to sign Arshavin a few years back? He wasn't a great signing in the long term but he gave them a lift and pushed them on to overtake us comfortably. It was a difficult deal, certainly a 'panic buy' but the Champions League revenue more than paid them back. We need to make strategic improvements to the squad, I think Lambert has an eye for a good player, we need Lerner to support that and for them to hold their nerve in negotiations. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 11, 2013, 01:50:43 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

So he is deliberately deprecating his asset?

What utter shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:53:43 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 11, 2013, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

So he is deliberately deprecating his asset?

What utter shite.

No, it's through his poor business acumen
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 11, 2013, 01:55:17 PM: You’re contradicting yourself.

We’re doing poorly because we’re being run poorly. That is different from a specific strategy to have us relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM: No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 02:00:55 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.

Ridiculous , ok ill tell you the real fact drgonzo- Lerner is really jasper carrot in a rubber mask!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 02:04:56 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.

Ridiculous , ok ill tell you the real fact drgonzo- Lerner is really jasper carrot in a rubber mask!

Nah, Jasper Carrot is Jasper Carrot in a rubber mask.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 02:05:56 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

None of us on here are self made billionaires either, but we understand the common logic of staying up to benefit from the new TV deal as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 11, 2013, 02:06:54 PM: Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.
Thank god for some humour in all this angst!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:07:09 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

None of us on here are self made billionaires either

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 02:26:21 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

None of us on here are self made billionaires either

Speak for yourself.

Circulation going well then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 11, 2013, 02:32:01 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Why?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:33:59 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Why?

Because I wanted to make money from Villa fans of course. Why else did you think?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 02:35:55 PM: lookatmeihaveablog.com
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 02:37:54 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
lookatmeihaveablog.com

That link's not working, and I want to leave some abusive comments.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 11, 2013, 02:39:01 PM: No signings on the horizon then....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 11, 2013, 02:42:23 PM: Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 11, 2013, 02:06:54 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.
Thank god for some humour in all this angst!

I was walking past Villa Park at Xmas and I swear I saw Randy and a Romany gypsy engaged in a ritual on the steps of the Holte End - Randy has clearly passed the curse of St Andrews onto us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 02:44:05 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
lookatmeihaveablog.com

That link's not working, and I want to leave some abusive comments.
It was closed down by Sky Sports News.They didn't like my cut and pasting skills.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 02:44:42 PM: I didn't mean to say they're deliberately trying to relegate us, but they might have done a risk analysis to see how bad our finances would be if we spent x and went down, spent y and went down etc. And come to the conclusion that the chances of us going down are high enough that we can't risk huge expenditure in January in case the signings don't save us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 11, 2013, 02:50:24 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.

Ridiculous , ok ill tell you the real fact drgonzo- Lerner is really jasper carrot in a rubber mask!

If you play "Funky Moped" backwards you hear the words "I will destroy Aston Villa disguised as an American called Randy".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 02:55:45 PM: Quote from: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
I didn't mean to say they're deliberately trying to relegate us, but they might have done a risk analysis to see how bad our finances would be if we spent x and went down, spent y and went down etc. And come to the conclusion that the chances of us going down are high enough that we can't risk huge expenditure in January in case the signings don't save us.

Have been thinking the same to be honest, but we could still make a couple of loan signings in key areas if that is the case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:02:58 PM: I think a move for palcious could be rewarding providing he still has the hunger .. I read stoke are willing to sell maybe less than 2 mill could be good ??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 03:06:13 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
I didn't mean to say they're deliberately trying to relegate us, but they might have done a risk analysis to see how bad our finances would be if we spent x and went down, spent y and went down etc. And come to the conclusion that the chances of us going down are high enough that we can't risk huge expenditure in January in case the signings don't save us.

Have been thinking the same to be honest, but we could still make a couple of loan signings in key areas if that is the case.

But surely if the signings didn't save us we have players who would be saleable assets to recoup that money spent on January signings?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 03:07:24 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:02:58 PM
I think a move for palcious could be rewarding providing he still has the hunger .. I read stoke are willing to sell maybe less than 2 mill could be good ??

Looking at him I'd say he certainly has the hunger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:16:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:02:58 PM
I think a move for palcious could be rewarding providing he still has the hunger .. I read stoke are willing to sell maybe less than 2 mill could be good ??

Looking at him I'd say he certainly has the hunger.

quite rite he's often bites in the tackle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 11, 2013, 03:20:51 PM: SIGN SOMEONE, ANYONE, FFS! AT LEAST START A RUMOUR THAT SOMETHING ON TWO LEGS MIGHT HAVE A MEDICAL AND TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL TERMS!!!

Day 11 of 31 rant.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 11, 2013, 03:26:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: DrGonzo on January 11, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
No, Lerner's father was a secret bluenose, this is the fruition of a 30 year plan than has only taken so long because HDE wouldn't relinquish control. Fact.

Ridiculous , ok ill tell you the real fact drgonzo- Lerner is really jasper carrot in a rubber mask!

Sorry eastie, Dr Gonzo's fact counts, because it was used after the end of a sentence, as a sentence. The only trump would've been to use. FACT.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2013, 03:28:04 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 11, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
I severely doubt that, the TV deal for next year is ridiculous they'll want to be involved in that.

Yes, but Lerner is not a good businessman - he's not a self-made Billionaire; he inherited his wealth from Lerner senior. Mind you, you really can't see the logic of a Billionaire scratching down the back of the sofa to try and find a few quid for his Manager...

None of us on here are self made billionaires either

Speak for yourself.

Exactly. There is a list I saw the other day. Yes it was.... Taylor-Bradford, King, Rowling, Prachett, Follett and Woodhall!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 03:33:07 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 11, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
SIGN SOMEONE, ANYONE, FFS! AT LEAST START A RUMOUR THAT SOMETHING ON TWO LEGS MIGHT HAVE A MEDICAL AND TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL TERMS!!!

Day 11 of 31 rant.

SIGN SOMEONE, ANYONE, FFS! AT LEAST START A RUMOUR THAT SOMETHING ON TWO LEGS MIGHT HAVE A MEDICAL AND TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL TERMS!!!

Day 31 of 31 rant.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM: As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 03:44:53 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on January 11, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
I didn't mean to say they're deliberately trying to relegate us, but they might have done a risk analysis to see how bad our finances would be if we spent x and went down, spent y and went down etc. And come to the conclusion that the chances of us going down are high enough that we can't risk huge expenditure in January in case the signings don't save us.

True Eastie and any new signings would probably have to have a relegation clause written into their contract any way.

Have been thinking the same to be honest, but we could still make a couple of loan signings in key areas if that is the case.

But surely if the signings didn't save us we have players who would be saleable assets to recoup that money spent on January signings?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 04:40:10 PM: A swap of warnock for Matt Taylor west ham be good move. Also could go for Gary o'neil as he has prem experience
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 11, 2013, 04:43:48 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight

Can we just sign his missus?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 04:44:58 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight

Nope he's rubbish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 11, 2013, 05:00:45 PM: The likes of Douglas and Sissoko are all well and good but are far from the no-brainer some make them out to be. What we need now is players who can hit the ground running and there is no guarantee that these guys, however good they are, will be able to handle the step up and change in the game that moving from the Dutch or French league would involve immediately. Look at Makoun or El Ahamadi. They would be fantastic signings if we were planning ahead and not in the mire but as things stand they are far from a no-brainer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM: Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 11, 2013, 05:05:42 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."

sell the painting in the reception, statue for scrap metal or maybe turn the hotel into a strip club?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 11, 2013, 05:14:30 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 11, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight

Can we just sign his missus?

Scarlett?

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:17:00 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 11, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight

Can we just sign his missus?

Depends if she has gotten the big boobs back
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 11, 2013, 05:17:40 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 11, 2013, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."

sell the painting in the reception, statue for scrap metal or maybe turn the hotel into a strip club?

Sell Hercules and Bella to Dudley Zoo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 05:24:24 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."

That's very worrying to hear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 05:28:00 PM: Newcastle United captain Fabricio Coloccini has told the club he wants to leave in January for personal reasons.

at least that will make them weaker . he has done good for them ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:28:04 PM: It is indeed, and ridiculous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 11, 2013, 05:31:45 PM: Yep, he'll be a huge loss to them. I like him a lot (as a player/ and not in a old 'Arry Bagpuss way)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:36:48 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 05:24:24 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."

That's very worrying to hear.

If it's correct, then Lerner has no clue. We will go down without reinforcements and we'll miss that TV deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 05:46:35 PM: Seems that lambert will not be financially backed by Lerner then, that does not mean there is no money though.

I still think Lerner is waiting to see what happens tomorrow and a heavy defeat could see him fire lambert in which case why would he give him money if he is having serious doubts about him.

I sincerely hope we win tomorrow and randy decides to back him with cash, if a new man does come in I believe he would have to be given funds to strengthen .

Either way whoever is manager without reasonable funds they will struggle to keep us up.

It is common knowledge a so called itk posted early this week that lambert would not be given money and would be gone if we lose tomorrow, also that rdm was the target last summer but once Chelsea kept him we had to look elsewhere , he also suggests rdm being available now would be given the job and given money.

It may all be coincidental or bollocks but it may just be on the cards - I have no idea but we shall soon see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:51:02 PM: That would make no sense, if he has that little faith in Lambert he would sack him. Why withhold money and risk Villa's premier league survival? It would make no sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 05:52:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 05:46:35 PM
Seems that lambert will not be financially backed by Lerner then, that does not mean there is no money though.
Our clubs a joke if that is the case
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:53:37 PM: The simple truth is that if we don't strengthen in January we're buried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 05:57:21 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:53:37 PM
The simple truth is that if we don't strengthen in January we're buried.

I think we will strengthen. How much business we'll do is anyone's guess i think we'll bring a couple in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 05:57:50 PM: Ivan Gaskell: PL(on q's if Villa might try & sign the likes of Joleon Lescott/Scott Parker)."No!Anyone who thinks we are in that market is dreaming"

Well hang on that's not the same as having no money, that could easily be a massive wage issue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 06:00:03 PM: I heard a while ago we were offered Parker but no way would Villa pay his wages . Cant really blame them £100k a week I was told.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 06:00:39 PM: What Gaskell has tweeted is at odds with what Lambert said this morning, looking for a couple in the middle. I severely doubt we have nothing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 06:02:44 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
What Gaskell has tweeted is at odds with what Lambert said this morning, looking for a couple in the middle. I severely doubt we have nothing.

That's why i think we'll have a couple in. He seems to have identified who he wants.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:04:14 PM: If we're relying on lambert to turn it around on his own with no money, then i think we're up sh*t creek.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 06:09:26 PM: Ashley Westwood has joined Blackburn
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:11:56 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 06:09:26 PM
Ashley Westwood has joined Blackburn

Not our Ashley Westwood you naughty rascal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2013, 06:12:20 PM: Michael Appleton is their new manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 11, 2013, 06:12:24 PM: That Gaskell journo is full of shit.

Lambert has specifically said we need strength in the middle of the park.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8390714/Paul-Lambert-plans-to-strengthen-his-Aston-Villa-side-during-the-January-transfer-window
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 06:14:03 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 11, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
Michael Appleton is their new manager.
Don't get why they've gone for him. Maybe Blackpool was too 'normal' for him, maybe he likes a mad house, like Portsmouth and Blackburn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:16:24 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 06:14:03 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 11, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
Michael Appleton is their new manager.
Don't get why they've gone for him. Maybe Blackpool was too 'normal' for him, maybe he likes a mad house, like Portsmouth and Blackburn.

Blackpool strongly linked with bradfords phil parkinson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 11, 2013, 06:16:59 PM: This reminds me a bit of the 2011 Jan window where it looked like we weren't going to spend anything then we go crazy near the end. Don't think it will be quite the same, but I think we will have done some serious business by the end of the window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 06:17:57 PM: Michael Bradley, Robert Pires and Jean II Makoun. Yikes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 11, 2013, 06:23:44 PM: are we there yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:26:32 PM: I seriously think we have to shift some wages first. Could be something in the Dunne QPR link - get him fit enough to pass a medical, and then sign someone. Could be a long month......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 06:36:34 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 11, 2013, 06:12:24 PM
That Gaskell journo is full of shit.

Lambert has specifically said we need strength in the middle of the park.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8390714/Paul-Lambert-plans-to-strengthen-his-Aston-Villa-side-during-the-January-transfer-window

Seems so
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:50:08 PM: yeah and he also says too many young players isn't the problem. WTf? Clueless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:50:26 PM: On the subject of incoming players, the manager stated that after spending £23 million last January, the club have decided not to spend now.

He said: “That’s the decision I’ve made. The football club has been in relegation battles for the last few years. This isn’t just new on them because they’ve been in it for a few years. It’s something we are trying to rectify in a different way and we will still go that way.”

Clearly the idea of spending to get away from the drop zone is out of the question for the former Norwich City manager who also spoke about the current crop of players, adding: “We fight and we keep going. I’m not going to beat them with a rod. You have to pick them up.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fergal on January 11, 2013, 06:51:11 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 11, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 11, 2013, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1
#avfc PL:(on poss transfers)"yes, we are trying to do some things.But its very difficult,we don't have money to spend."

sell the painting in the reception, statue for scrap metal or maybe turn the hotel into a strip club?

Sell Hercules and Bella to Dudley Zoo.
Might make more if they made a porn film....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 11, 2013, 06:52:00 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 11, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Michael Bradley, Robert Pires and Jean II Makoun. Yikes.

Bradley has looked good since
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:52:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:50:26 PM

On the subject of incoming players, the manager stated that after spending £23 million last January, the club have decided not to spend now.

He said: “That’s the decision I’ve made. The football club has been in relegation battles for the last few years. This isn’t just new on them because they’ve been in it for a few years. It’s something we are trying to rectify in a different way and we will still go that way.”

Clearly the idea of spending to get away from the drop zone is out of the question for the former Norwich City manager who also spoke about the current crop of players, adding: “We fight and we keep going. I’m not going to beat them with a rod. You have to pick them up.”

If thats correct then get the numpty out the club now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:54:19 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:50:26 PM

On the subject of incoming players, the manager stated that after spending £23 million last January, the club have decided not to spend now.

He said: “That’s the decision I’ve made. The football club has been in relegation battles for the last few years. This isn’t just new on them because they’ve been in it for a few years. It’s something we are trying to rectify in a different way and we will still go that way.”

Clearly the idea of spending to get away from the drop zone is out of the question for the former Norwich City manager who also spoke about the current crop of players, adding: “We fight and we keep going. I’m not going to beat them with a rod. You have to pick them up.”

If thats correct then get the numpty out the club now.

I assume they meant spending £23m in the summer because we didn't spend £23m last January did we?

Are we looking at loan deals then or will wages scupper those as well?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 06:54:34 PM: I realise that Gaskell is a journo but are we really going to believe that he has some magic quotes directly from Lambert that nobody, including Kendrick who follows Villa for a living has got. I don't see those quotes anywhere else and in fact it is almost the opposite of what Lambert has been saying today. That he sees what we see and he doesn't need to pick up a paper to know the problems that we've got. How that translates now into Ivan Gaskell having an exclusive on Villa's spending is beyond me. And on Lescott, Lambert himself only a week or so back had the chance to complete dismiss the link and didn't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:56:58 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 06:50:26 PM

On the subject of incoming players, the manager stated that after spending £23 million last January, the club have decided not to spend now.

He said: “That’s the decision I’ve made. The football club has been in relegation battles for the last few years. This isn’t just new on them because they’ve been in it for a few years. It’s something we are trying to rectify in a different way and we will still go that way.”

Clearly the idea of spending to get away from the drop zone is out of the question for the former Norwich City manager who also spoke about the current crop of players, adding: “We fight and we keep going. I’m not going to beat them with a rod. You have to pick them up.”

I assume they meant spending £23m in the summer because we didn't spend £23m last January did we?

If thats correct then get the numpty out the club now.

maybe a missing "since" between million and last?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 06:59:04 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
I realise that Gaskell is a journo but are we really going to believe that he has some magic quotes directly from Lambert that nobody, including Kendrick who follows Villa for a living has got. I don't see those quotes anywhere else and in fact it is almost the opposite of what Lambert has been saying today. That he sees what we see and he doesn't need to pick up a paper to know the problems that we've got. How that translates now into Ivan Gaskell having an exclusive on Villa's spending is beyond me. And on Lescott, Lambert himself only a week or so back had the chance to complete dismiss the link and didn't.

You're right, this Gaskell bloke has written the opposite to what Lambert has come out and said. Best to be ignored in future i think if that's the way he's going to work.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 11, 2013, 07:02:22 PM: The silence from the boardroom is deafening but the message seems to be coming across loud and clear. We have no money and we are not prepared to speculate to stay in the Premier League. Madness. Fail tomorrow and I fancy chants of "Lerner Out" rather than "Lambert Out". I wonder if Lerner will even be there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 11, 2013, 07:03:07 PM: I've watched the lambert press conference and he did not say he had money to spend , I think the players he's targeted may be loan deals and then perhaps depending on whether we can finance the wages ?

Anyway time for a few drinks , enjoy your evening all and lets hope for a win tomorrow !

He said: "Do I have the patience of the chairman? You would certainly like to think so. I can't influence anything like that.

"I can only work with what I have, and that is the same for any manager. You try to do your job the best you can.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:51 PM: We don't do deals in public. We got out of our way to avoid any leaks and it's only people at airports or fans with camera phones that are opportunist that leak stories. Even this years kit was a complete secret. Just because nobody is saying anything doesn't mean at all, especially with this club that nothing is happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 07:09:57 PM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 11, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
The silence from the boardroom is deafening but the message seems to be coming across loud and clear. We have no money and we are not prepared to speculate to stay in the Premier League. Madness. Fail tomorrow and I fancy chants of "Lerner Out" rather than "Lambert Out". I wonder if Lerner will even be there.

Precisely. Not a dickie bird from faulkner, though if lambert's really stupid enough to think we can stay up with the present squad, well its his funeral. Only a complete YES man would look at our squad and think it had more than a 50-50 chance of staying up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyellis on January 11, 2013, 07:13:42 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 11, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
The silence from the boardroom is deafening but the message seems to be coming across loud and clear. We have no money and we are not prepared to speculate to stay in the Premier League. Madness. Fail tomorrow and I fancy chants of "Lerner Out" rather than "Lambert Out". I wonder if Lerner will even be there.

Precisely. Not a dickie bird from faulkner, though if lambert's really stupid enough to think we can stay up with the present squad, well its his funeral. Only a complete YES man would look at our squad and think it had more than a 50-50 chance of staying up
I would'nt give it as high as 50-50 no activity will equal relegation and they will need a bigger calculator to work out the real cost of that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 11, 2013, 07:14:17 PM: In the summer, PL bought Concrete Ron and he, I think, was meant to be a captain and lead the defence. He did that while he was playing, then got injured. There was short-term cover for him in the squad, although I don't think Lambert was expecting him to be out for this long, though.

It's good news that Vlaar is on his way back but he's a couple of weeks off, yet.

I can't help thinking what has happened has got to have affected PL's plans for this transfer window. He's been looking at players and lining them up (I hope) on the grounds of improving the midfield. But now, instead of looking just at revitalizing the midfield, for instance, he may be thinking, 'I need to find another major defensive player to lead the younger players.' But then, he's stuck with Vlaar as well and has 2 'captains'. It's going to cut into his team-building plans as well as playing merry hell with his budgeting, no matter how much money he's got.

So he's left with either buying somebody who wasn't on his original radar or hoping that Clark can hang on another couple of weeks until Vlaar comes back.

I'm in the 'speculation' bit of the thread title.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 11, 2013, 07:15:32 PM: If Lambert manages to keep us up with no new additions to the current team, then I'll have to admit he's a much better manager than I currently believe him to be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 11, 2013, 07:16:24 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 11, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
If Lambert manages to keep us up with no new additions to the current team, then I'll have to admit he's a much better manager than I currently believe him to be.

That would be nothing short of miraculous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:19:08 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 11, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 11, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
If Lambert manages to keep us up with no new additions to the current team, then I'll have to admit he's a much better manager than I currently believe him to be.

That would be nothing short of miraculous.

which I also believe he realises
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 11, 2013, 07:22:19 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 11, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
In the summer, PL bought Concrete Ron and he, I think, was meant to be a captain and lead the defence. He did that while he was playing, then got injured. There was short-term cover for him in the squad, although I don't think Lambert was expecting him to be out for this long, though.

It's good news that Vlaar is on his way back but he's a couple of weeks off, yet.

I can't help thinking what has happened has got to have affected PL's plans for this transfer window. He's been looking at players and lining them up (I hope) on the grounds of improving the midfield. But now, instead of looking just at revitalizing the midfield, for instance, he may be thinking, 'I need to find another major defensive player to lead the younger players.' But then, he's stuck with Vlaar as well and has 2 'captains'. It's going to cut into his team-building plans as well as playing merry hell with his budgeting, no matter how much money he's got.

So he's left with either buying somebody who wasn't on his original radar or hoping that Clark can hang on another couple of weeks until Vlaar comes back.

I'm in the 'speculation' bit of the thread title.

I like your speculating thoughts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2013, 07:23:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
I've watched the lambert press conference and he did not say he had money to spend , I think the players he's targeted may be loan deals and then perhaps depending on whether we can finance the wages ?

Anyway time for a few drinks , enjoy your evening all and lets hope for a win tomorrow !

He said: "Do I have the patience of the chairman? You would certainly like to think so. I can't influence anything like that.

"I can only work with what I have, and that is the same for any manager. You try to do your job the best you can.

Other Lambert quotes:

"There's one or two lads that we'll try and get in but a lot does get dictated by finances. I understand the finances of it and this club cannot go bust or into major debt, it's got to watch itself and it's something I'll meet head on"

Also when asked about signing player for the sake of it that may not be in the long term plans he said "It'll just keep putting this club backwards if you keep doing that".

Seems like there's very little to spend but he obviously accepts it and sounds like he's here for the long haul, any other manager would have done one by now if that wasn't the case surely? I doubt we'll see many more high profile big money earners coming in anytime soon, my guess would be Lerner's given him assurances about his job for the future and is happy to let him build his team over a long period.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 11, 2013, 07:25:58 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 11, 2013, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 11, 2013, 07:14:17 PM
In the summer, PL bought Concrete Ron and he, I think, was meant to be a captain and lead the defence. He did that while he was playing, then got injured. There was short-term cover for him in the squad, although I don't think Lambert was expecting him to be out for this long, though.

It's good news that Vlaar is on his way back but he's a couple of weeks off, yet.

I can't help thinking what has happened has got to have affected PL's plans for this transfer window. He's been looking at players and lining them up (I hope) on the grounds of improving the midfield. But now, instead of looking just at revitalizing the midfield, for instance, he may be thinking, 'I need to find another major defensive player to lead the younger players.' But then, he's stuck with Vlaar as well and has 2 'captains'. It's going to cut into his team-building plans as well as playing merry hell with his budgeting, no matter how much money he's got.

So he's left with either buying somebody who wasn't on his original radar or hoping that Clark can hang on another couple of weeks until Vlaar comes back.

I'm in the 'speculation' bit of the thread title.

I like your speculating thoughts.

Thanks, Doorbell!

'Also when asked about signing player for the sake of it that may not be in the long term plans he said "It'll just keep putting this club backwards if you keep doing that".

It must be a bit of a hostage to fortune having said sometning like that and then being hit with long-term injuries to key players!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 07:31:38 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
We don't do deals in public. We got out of our way to avoid any leaks and it's only people at airports or fans with camera phones that are opportunist that leak stories. Even this years kit was a complete secret. Just because nobody is saying anything doesn't mean at all, especially with this club that nothing is happening.
We don't do deals behind closed doors evidently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 07:34:45 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 11, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
I've watched the lambert press conference and he did not say he had money to spend , I think the players he's targeted may be loan deals and then perhaps depending on whether we can finance the wages ?

Anyway time for a few drinks , enjoy your evening all and lets hope for a win tomorrow !

He said: "Do I have the patience of the chairman? You would certainly like to think so. I can't influence anything like that.

"I can only work with what I have, and that is the same for any manager. You try to do your job the best you can.

Other Lambert quotes:

"There's one or two lads that we'll try and get in but a lot does get dictated by finances. I understand the finances of it and this club cannot go bust or into major debt, it's got to watch itself and it's something I'll meet head on"

Also when asked about signing player for the sake of it that may not be in the long term plans he said "It'll just keep putting this club backwards if you keep doing that".

Seems like there's very little to spend but he obviously accepts it and sounds like he's here for the long haul, any other manager would have done one by now if that wasn't the case surely? I doubt we'll see many more high profile big money earners coming in anytime soon, my guess would be Lerner's given him assurances about his job for the future and is happy to let him build his team over a long period.

Well like i said its his funeral. TSM had the backing of Lerner this time last year as well. A load of demoralised kids against teams who are used to getting a hammering and bouncing back in the lower reaches of the PL?. Either a brave man or a fuckwitt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 11, 2013, 07:40:52 PM: IIRC Did we only bought in Robbie Keane on loan in the last Jan window and we were looking utterly shit then
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 11, 2013, 07:43:15 PM: Perhaps PL was counting on Dunne to be his back up for a strong man/voice of experience in defence. He let Collins go, which suggests to me that Dunne was in his plans for this season. He really has had rotten luck in long term injuries. Dunne has been a perennial starter until this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 07:43:23 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
We don't do deals in public. We got out of our way to avoid any leaks and it's only people at airports or fans with camera phones that are opportunist that leak stories. Even this years kit was a complete secret. Just because nobody is saying anything doesn't mean at all, especially with this club that nothing is happening.

We're not some fantastically secretive club, we do deals exactly the same as everyone else does, we don't say anything unless we need to. We are no different from anyone else in that way.

You make it sound like we have some code of silence that other clubs do not have.

Ultimately, we'll find out how much money we've got to spend in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 11, 2013, 07:50:21 PM: Exactly. We weren't amazingly secretive in the Summer window Vlaar was photographed being given a tour of Villa Park!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 07:53:10 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 03:40:58 PM
As James O'hara is back playing maybe we could make a move for him. Has a lot of fight

Nope he's rubbish.

just think that's might be type of player we re in for now esp with lack of funds
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:55:42 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
We don't do deals in public. We got out of our way to avoid any leaks and it's only people at airports or fans with camera phones that are opportunist that leak stories. Even this years kit was a complete secret. Just because nobody is saying anything doesn't mean at all, especially with this club that nothing is happening.

We're not some fantastically secretive club, we do deals exactly the same as everyone else does, we don't say anything unless we need to. We are no different from anyone else in that way.

You make it sound like we have some code of silence that other clubs do not have.

Ultimately, we'll find out how much money we've got to spend in the next two weeks.

No I'm not. I'm just saying we're hardly going to spouting off to all and sundry how much we've got and who are targets are. We don't talk about sit o why get upset if the manager says nothing. McLeish said nothing, Houllier didn't say much and neither did MON. And with MON the only thing we knew was nothing was happening until the very end.

I'm not claiming at the its the bloody KGB, I'm simply saying on the back of there's no injury or transfer updates, that we're not going to be talking about them. And yes, if you were to rank us with everyone else, I would say we say less than others and much less than some. Surely if everyone was the same nobody would be complaining that the club says nothing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 07:57:30 PM: Personally I don't give a monkeys whether we do deals in secret or broadcast it from every street corner. The only important thing is that we identify good players and succeed in getting them to sign up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:58:53 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
Personally I don't give a monkeys whether we do deals in secret or broadcast it from every street corner. The only important thing is that we identify good players and succeed in getting them to sign up.

completely agree, and whether we know in advance about anything the club does or not, ultimately when the window closes on the 31st we need to be better off player wise than we are today. Because that won't be a secret.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 08:02:44 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
completely agree, and whether we know in advance about anything the club does or not, ultimately when the window closes on the 31st we need to be better off player wise than we are today. Because that won't be a secret.
I think there's a requirement to get players in as soon as possible because we're going to need every point we can get.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 11, 2013, 08:05:46 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
Personally I don't give a monkeys whether we do deals in secret or broadcast it from every street corner. The only important thing is that we identify good players and succeed in getting them to sign up.

completely agree, and whether we know in advance about anything the club does or not, ultimately when the window closes on the 31st we need to be better off player wise than we are today. Because that won't be a secret.

I agree as there's a need for players to strengthen its what constitutes a 'good player' - in lamberts/faulkner eyes the term 'young and hungry' though now there seems to be a push for 'premier league experienced' players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2013, 08:07:54 PM: I was kind of hoping Lambert had identified the squad weakness and had players in mind and they would be in place by now or at least being sorted, it doesn't take a genius to work out we need a defender and a midfielder
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 08:12:54 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
Personally I don't give a monkeys whether we do deals in secret or broadcast it from every street corner. The only important thing is that we identify good players and succeed in getting them to sign up.

Quite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 11, 2013, 08:24:32 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 11, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
Personally I don't give a monkeys whether we do deals in secret or broadcast it from every street corner. The only important thing is that we identify good players and succeed in getting them to sign up.

We might not care but other parties involved might well prefer to keep things under wraps until it's all done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 08:25:11 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2013, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
We don't do deals in public. We got out of our way to avoid any leaks and it's only people at airports or fans with camera phones that are opportunist that leak stories. Even this years kit was a complete secret. Just because nobody is saying anything doesn't mean at all, especially with this club that nothing is happening.

We're not some fantastically secretive club, we do deals exactly the same as everyone else does, we don't say anything unless we need to. We are no different from anyone else in that way.

You make it sound like we have some code of silence that other clubs do not have.

Ultimately, we'll find out how much money we've got to spend in the next two weeks.

No I'm not. I'm just saying we're hardly going to spouting off to all and sundry how much we've got and who are targets are. We don't talk about sit o why get upset if the manager says nothing. McLeish said nothing, Houllier didn't say much and neither did MON. And with MON the only thing we knew was nothing was happening until the very end.

I'm not claiming at the its the bloody KGB, I'm simply saying on the back of there's no injury or transfer updates, that we're not going to be talking about them. And yes, if you were to rank us with everyone else, I would say we say less than others and much less than some. Surely if everyone was the same nobody would be complaining that the club says nothing?

Clubs never go out of their way to publicise transfers. Why would they? Managers, with the exception of Redknapp, never say anything on deals if they don't have to.

Sorry, but your "especially with this club" line made it sound like you thought we were especially secretive, when we're really not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 11, 2013, 08:28:56 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Why?

Because I wanted to make money from Villa fans of course. Why else did you think?

This time next year, you'll be a millionaire eh ;D

I was only asking, Dave, as you do a great read in your article, which you put a link to.
Yet a couple were getting uptight about someone else doing the same, also a decent read too.
That's all, mate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 08:29:27 PM: We are much less speculated about and have less leaks, but that IMO is due to not being Liverpool, United or London based.

People often know around the time it is about to happen. Benteke was well picked up 10 days before he signed. Only Westwood came from nowhere on deadline day.

I think Lambert is playing a very coy game too. If I was betting I would still say we will get 3 at a minimum this window, maybe 4 with a loan on deadline day.

He knows what we need, so does everyone else, so pleading poverty in public is just a bargaining tool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2013, 08:33:35 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
We are much less speculated about and have less leaks, but that IMO is due to not being Liverpool, United or London based.

People often know around the time it is about to happen. Benteke was well picked up 10 days before he signed. Only Westwood came from nowhere on deadline day.

I think Lambert is playing a very coy game too. If I was betting I would still say we will get 3 at a minimum this window, maybe 4 with a loan on deadline day.

He knows what we need, so does everyone else, so pleading poverty in public is just a bargaining tool.

that's what I'm getting at. Maybe also the other clubs dealings more know is that there are more people reporting on them. I just happen to think we don't talk about what we do, and it's a matter of opinion as to how good or bad that is especially from a fan's perspective.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 08:47:05 PM: well he's leaving it late if its a bargaining tool. We need players in NOW. Tommorow we could be in the bottom 3 after a relegation 6 pointer. I can give people time but honestly the way we've been playing is as bad as anyone who's turned up at Villa since McNeils time. If we were still trying to play good football that would be one thing, I could even probably live with the TSM "try to get a draw" master plan., but the disorganised rabble he's been putting out recently is a new low. If he loses tomorrow i'm joining the Rissoettes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 08:54:10 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 08:47:05 PM
well he's leaving it late if its a bargaining tool. We need players in NOW. Tommorow we could be in the bottom 3 after a relegation 6 pointer. I can give people time but honestly the way we've been playing is as bad as anyone who's turned up at Villa since McNeils time. If we were still trying to play good football that would be one thing, I could even probably live with the TSM "try to get a draw" master plan., but the disorganised rabble he's been putting out recently is a new low. If he loses tomorrow i'm joining the Rissoettes

The players we need might not want to come NOW. They may be waiting to see if this club or that club who are better off than us firm up their interest before the month is out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 09:02:51 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 11, 2013, 08:54:10 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 11, 2013, 08:47:05 PM
well he's leaving it late if its a bargaining tool. We need players in NOW. Tommorow we could be in the bottom 3 after a relegation 6 pointer. I can give people time but honestly the way we've been playing is as bad as anyone who's turned up at Villa since McNeils time. If we were still trying to play good football that would be one thing, I could even probably live with the TSM "try to get a draw" master plan., but the disorganised rabble he's been putting out recently is a new low. If he loses tomorrow i'm joining the Rissoettes

The players we need might not want to come NOW. They may be waiting to see if this club or that club who are better off than us firm up their interest before the month is out.

Can we wait till the end of the month? and if we can what if this or that club do come in for them at the end of Jan? We're bolloxed that's what. Plus you have to agree a fee with their club first - now that normally leaks out in the press. Nowt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 09:12:13 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: nigel on January 11, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Quote from: mike on January 11, 2013, 05:04:47 AM
Yes, i agree that its not right promoting your own blog, but talking about etiquette then insulting someone and telling them to fuck off seems a tad contradictory.

I might be missing something here, and no offence intended, but, is this not the same as Dave Woodhall posting his 'Mail Report'?

Bearing in mind Dave set up H&V in the first place, then no.

Why?

Because I wanted to make money from Villa fans of course. Why else did you think?

This time next year, you'll be a millionaire eh ;D

I was only asking, Dave, as you do a great read in your article, which you put a link to.
Yet a couple were getting uptight about someone else doing the same, also a decent read too.
That's all, mate.
I was wrong to tell Curious Orange to F off, sorry. Dave has every right to publicise his writing, he has permission. Curious Orange did not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 09:14:07 PM: Yes he did. He asked some time ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 11, 2013, 09:32:48 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2013, 09:14:07 PM
Yes he did. He asked some time ago.
it was still pissing me off, sorry again then
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 09:35:07 PM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 11, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
The silence from the boardroom is deafening but the message seems to be coming across loud and clear. We have no money and we are not prepared to speculate to stay in the Premier League. Madness. Fail tomorrow and I fancy chants of "Lerner Out" rather than "Lambert Out". I wonder if Lerner will even be there.
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No chance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 09:58:46 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 11, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 11, 2013, 07:02:22 PM
The silence from the boardroom is deafening but the message seems to be coming across loud and clear. We have no money and we are not prepared to speculate to stay in the Premier League. Madness. Fail tomorrow and I fancy chants of "Lerner Out" rather than "Lambert Out". I wonder if Lerner will even be there.
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Lerners not back until 2nd leg Bradford

No chance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 11, 2013, 10:43:35 PM: I've had to have a read back through the thread otherwise i'd have missed all the fun and games! If i'd have logged in an hour from now i'd have pottered along in blissful ignorance...

It would be no problem at all to post the article up, but the reason I link to it is because the site is a start-up and the figures help attract prospective backers, I guess. For what it's worth, my colleague seanthevillain and I don't recieve any money at all for our work - we do it to expose our work to a wide audience and because we're huge Villa fans who want to write considered, intelligent stuff that goes some way to opposing the general low opinion of the media in general of the Villa. As a side issue, our editor asks us to post links to our articles on Villa forums; we post only here because generally people know what they're talking about and react, rather than try and outdo one another on other forums.

I'm sorry if I have transgressed: to break house rules isn't my thing. If there's a format the mods are happier with Sean and I would be willing to follow. If it's a consolation, then pickourteam is Premier League only - if Villa drop, then I guess we would too.

In terms of the content, I'm not looking for apologies. I'd like to know why Hawkeye thinks it's badly written given my editor, a current broadsheet journalist, doesn't hold that opinion. Criticism's only useful to me if learn something - if it's just an insult, I'm likely to follow the same line just to be perverse. I will say that some of my opinions on Villa find themselves in H&V occasionally, under my actual name. I wonder if it's the style that's really winding you up or the method of delivery?

Put simply, I won't be stopping writing and i'm not going to cry. I've been a writer for nearly a decade and i've taken hits that have hurt more than that. The worst of it is that I do it because I love the club as much as any fan and this small part of my own time is what I want to share. If that's going to meet with criticism because some are having a bad day then I guess it makes me love being a part of the Villa family slightly less.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 10:51:58 PM: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-can-forget-851350

Pretty blunt from PL there ..not expecting much to happen now.Loans perhaps best option
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM: He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

If we spend 10m on 3 players, but they are through the middle and give us a bit more of a physical edge and help us calm down a bit, we will be fine. It is not about huge money, it is about getting 3-4 of the right players through the spine of the team to make us stronger, which he has said himself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2013, 11:06:05 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

If we spend 10m on 3 players, but they are through the middle and give us a bit more of a physical edge and help us calm down a bit, we will be fine. It is not about huge money, it is about getting 3-4 of the right players through the spine of the team to make us stronger, which he has said himself.

Sissoko still fits in that category.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:11:43 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

If we spend 10m on 3 players, but they are through the middle and give us a bit more of a physical edge and help us calm down a bit, we will be fine. It is not about huge money, it is about getting 3-4 of the right players through the spine of the team to make us stronger, which he has said himself.
Sorry Ozz time to spend some of Randy's cash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 11, 2013, 11:12:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

If we spend 10m on 3 players, but they are through the middle and give us a bit more of a physical edge and help us calm down a bit, we will be fine. It is not about huge money, it is about getting 3-4 of the right players through the spine of the team to make us stronger, which he has said himself.

As I say in my article...just kidding. I've never really thought Villa were going to splash a big chunk of what Lerner's made available on one player; it seems unnecessary. It's painfully obvious our choices are limited: part of the problem is that your number one targets for getting you out of a relegation scrap probably won't sign on when you're in one. What Lambert needs to ensure is that he's not sold a pup that seems like it could be the missing piece. That's why the silence is somewhat comforting - at least you can't accuse him of panic buying
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM: I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 11, 2013, 11:24:01 PM: I think its probably best that Randy starts looking for buyers now in all honesty.
If he hasn't already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2013, 11:25:40 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

The trouble is if Lambert falls the Villa go down. Relegation is not an option. Lerner has to invest.
I just hope what Lambert said today is just bluff. Christ I hope it is anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:28:42 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

The trouble is if Lambert falls the Villa go down. Relegation is not an option. Lerner has to invest.
I just hope what Lambert said today is just bluff. Christ I hope it is anyway.
So do i ffs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2013, 11:33:59 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

The trouble is if Lambert falls the Villa go down. Relegation is not an option. Lerner has to invest.
I just hope what Lambert said today is just bluff. Christ I hope it is anyway.
So do i ffs.

Put it this way, I wouldn't expect us to splash the cash, if we get relegated I'm gunning for Randy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:34:02 PM: Paul Faulker 25/03/2012.
“It’s obviously been a challenging year in parts this season, but it’s all about continuing to get better. And we’re looking to bring players into the squad to do that and then grow our own,” said Faulkner.

“We’re seeing some very talented young players in the reserve team who will also play a part next year.''
So playing the reserves was always the plan.
Time for Randy And Paul to go!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2013, 11:37:26 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2013, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 11, 2013, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 11, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

The trouble is if Lambert falls the Villa go down. Relegation is not an option. Lerner has to invest.
I just hope what Lambert said today is just bluff. Christ I hope it is anyway.
So do i ffs.

Put it this way, I wouldn't expect us to splash the cash, if we get relegated I'm gunning for Randy

We should be gunning for him now. The way he has run this club over the last 3 seasons is laughable. He's turned us from top 4 contenders to relegation candidates. The man is a walking disaster for the Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 11, 2013, 11:43:47 PM: It seems bizarre how the club were at pains to get a manager in that was more in keeping with their dreams of footballing beauty, yet apparently expect it to be done on peanuts. I'd be fascinated to know how they sold the club to Lambert - he had a secure job at Norwich, the fans loved him...something tells me he probably wasn't being told exactly everything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 11, 2013, 11:58:23 PM: You know what, I am losing interest!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2013, 12:14:33 AM: That article is a fucking depressing read.

The club just feels like it is biding time before dropping out of the top flight.

It would take a special kind of business expertise to manage your club out of the top flight just as a gigantic television deal kicks in. Unfortunately, Randy seems to have that expertise in spades.

Everything coming out of the club in recent times stinks of acceptance of mediocrity. No wonder we can't get people to come to the matches.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 12, 2013, 12:22:55 AM: According to the Daily Mail article we may have interested in Diame. Can't see it myself, but he is the mould of midfielder we should be going for. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2260989/Paul-Lambert--Aston-Villa-spend-big.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 12:32:34 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2013, 12:14:33 AM
That article is a fucking depressing read.

The club just feels like it is biding time before dropping out of the top flight.

It would take a special kind of business expertise to manage your club out of the top flight just as a gigantic television deal kicks in. Unfortunately, Randy seems to have that expertise in spades.

Everything coming out of the club in recent times stinks of acceptance of mediocrity. No wonder we can't get people to come to the matches.

It isn't inspiring, but at the same time I can see where Lambert is coming from. I still think if you stick a big strong centre half and centre mid in our side, and get a couple of loans, we will be fine.

Vlaar and Westwood being fit is a big bonus tomorrow. Dunne being back by the end of the month is too. If we lose faith completely because the manager has said we are not going to spend huge money on 1 player this window, we might as well give up. There are options. If by some miracle he convinced Diame to come for 3.5m, and got some german centre half that Henke finds for 2-3 million, and signs Stephens who is still being linked, automatically we are a much stronger side and squad. Add a loan forward too, and we are looking ok with not much money spent. Lets see what tomorrow, and the end of the month bring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 12, 2013, 12:35:15 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 12:32:34 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2013, 12:14:33 AM
That article is a fucking depressing read.

The club just feels like it is biding time before dropping out of the top flight.

It would take a special kind of business expertise to manage your club out of the top flight just as a gigantic television deal kicks in. Unfortunately, Randy seems to have that expertise in spades.

Everything coming out of the club in recent times stinks of acceptance of mediocrity. No wonder we can't get people to come to the matches.

It isn't inspiring, but at the same time I can see where Lambert is coming from. I still think if you stick a big strong centre half and centre mid in our side, and get a couple of loans, we will be fine.

Vlaar and Westwood being fit is a big bonus tomorrow. Dunne being back by the end of the month is too. If we lose faith completely because the manager has said we are not going to spend huge money on 1 player this window, we might as well give up. There are options. If by some miracle he convinced Diame to come for 3.5m, and got some german centre half that Henke finds for 2-3 million, and signs Stephens who is still being linked, automatically we are a much stronger side and squad. Add a loan forward too, and we are looking ok with not much money spent. Lets see what tomorrow, and the end of the month bring.
I like how positive you are but there is a load of 'if's' in there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 12:41:02 AM: There are, but there are opportunities to get good players without spending 60k a week on wages for them too. We have to build from scratch, as too many senior players have come in on obscene money and done nothing to pay it back. We still have loads. Ireland, Given, NZogbia, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne - sero contribution for what - 20 million a season ish. Lambert has shown he can find players last summer, his remit for scouting is different now to then, so lets hope he can find some more. I am not going to get too downhearted about the window until the door slams shut, there is no point.

I will be gutted if we don't look more organised on the pitch tomorrow and don't play with more discipline at the back though. That is more important than anything at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2013, 12:48:30 AM: We are run by an absolute imbecile. Lerner has not got the first clue. If we don't strengthen properly we are nailed on relegation certs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on January 12, 2013, 01:12:52 AM: I know Lambert is a dour sort of fellow by nature, but telling Villa fans they're living in 'Dreamland' when it comes to buying decent players isn't exactly a great way of pulling back the missing thousands is it? Still, he seems to be powerless to change it as Lerner fumbles around without a clue to be found.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 12, 2013, 01:25:01 AM: If Lambert has not got the funds what the feck is he supposed to do to be fair? Time for Randy to show he has faith in him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 12, 2013, 01:28:14 AM: I wonder if Lerner thinks our current squad is actually serviceable and that the manager is the problem?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 12, 2013, 01:30:05 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 12, 2013, 01:28:14 AM
I wonder if Lerner thinks our current squad is actually serviceable and that the manager is the problem?

Is that what you really think?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 12, 2013, 01:41:50 AM: Quote from: Pete3206 on January 12, 2013, 01:12:52 AM
I know Lambert is a dour sort of fellow by nature, but telling Villa fans they're living in 'Dreamland' when it comes to buying decent players isn't exactly a great way of pulling back the missing thousands is it? Still, he seems to be powerless to change it as Lerner fumbles around without a clue to be found.

I dont think he said that did he? It seemed like a loaded headline.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 12, 2013, 01:53:28 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 12, 2013, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on January 12, 2013, 01:12:52 AM
I know Lambert is a dour sort of fellow by nature, but telling Villa fans they're living in 'Dreamland' when it comes to buying decent players isn't exactly a great way of pulling back the missing thousands is it? Still, he seems to be powerless to change it as Lerner fumbles around without a clue to be found.

Well I would have thought if he had said it it would have been almost prime TV, instead it was totally different :)

I dont think he said that did he? It seemed like a loaded headline.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 02:15:54 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

If we spend 10m on 3 players, but they are through the middle and give us a bit more of a physical edge and help us calm down a bit, we will be fine. It is not about huge money, it is about getting 3-4 of the right players through the spine of the team to make us stronger, which he has said himself.

I read it as we haven't got more than 6m.

"Lambert was also pressed on how much transfer cash he would be given and ruled out the prospect of spending more than £6 million on a player.

“Yes, it’s probably fair to say we’ve not got that, so you have to box clever,” he said. “A lot of things get dominated by finance"

Seems pretty clear to me that without sales we've probably got a total of about 6m. Add in wages and i think we can forget getting 2 or 3 players in. One looks the most we can hope for
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 12, 2013, 02:18:55 AM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 12, 2013, 01:30:05 AM
Quote from: TheSandman on January 12, 2013, 01:28:14 AM
I wonder if Lerner thinks our current squad is actually serviceable and that the manager is the problem?

Is that what you really think?

No. I still have some hope that Lambert will be backed and that not even Lerner is THAT stupid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 12, 2013, 02:29:53 AM: Have we got Reo Coker yet? Pull ya bloody finger out Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2013, 02:35:43 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
He says not more than 6 million on a player, not really a shock, but the emphasis without saying it is all about wages I am sure, especially ending up with a player you don't want. Beye, Sidwell, Davies, Hutton, Warnock, Reo Coker, Cuellar, etc etc, all players who have left for nothing or huge losses, after being on big wages and then never played. We might not like it very much, but he is right in the way we do have to box clever so to speak.

I agree with that Ozz, but at some point we are going to have to assemble a more experienced squad or we are just going to keep ending in the position we have found ourselves in the past few seasons - a few injuries and we are right down to the bare bones and relying on fielding too many inexperienced players. Yes, the Sidwells, Cuellars and Reo Cokers were overpriced and overpaid, but we need a few of those types (but maybe cheaper options) to give the squad a bit of depth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2013, 03:33:10 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 11, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Lerner can now really go fuck himself. I've had enough of this bullshit. They are totally preparing for us to go down. If that is the case (which it seems highly likely) then I'm not ploughing anymore money into the club this year what so ever.
I will just catch the games on the net and save myself a fortune.
Its beyond a joke now and what hurts the most is it seems to us all that RL really does not care. If he did we would be bringing in the x4 players we are desperate for, just to give us a chance to stay up!

Good. Does that mean you'll stop moaning about it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:18:27 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

So do I , defeat today I think would see lambert go and di Matteo in , If that were the case I could see why randy hasn't given lambert money but would expect any new manager to be given funds to get us out of this mess.

Let me be clear, I am not and have never called for lambert to go and I hope we win today and turn it around but I believe randy has maybe lost faith in him and today could be the tipping point.

Lambert cannot keep this club up without financial backing and we know Lerner has the money - relegation would cost the club and Lerner far more than spending £10m now .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 07:26:36 AM: Sacking Lambert in favour of Di Matteo would be madness IMO. However, he does need some player. The whole article is very loaded to get the headline from the group of journalists in fairness to Lambert. Who on here thought we could afford Lescott and Parker without taking big cuts on their wages? Fact is they are both 30 plus on massive, massive wages, and would cripple us financially. Of course we can't afford that. If we want 3-4 players this window, it is also clear we can't lay out upwards of 6m on each. We will, I am confident, spend more than 6 million net this Jan though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on January 12, 2013, 07:30:15 AM: I hope you are wrong Eastie as I can not see RDM working for Villa for little pay and no money to spend. That would be another financial disaster waiting to happen. Compensation for Lambert with more compensation when we sack RDM in May.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:44:21 AM: Quote from: Ian J on January 12, 2013, 07:30:15 AM
I hope you are wrong Eastie as I can not see RDM working for Villa for little pay and no money to spend. That would be another financial disaster waiting to happen. Compensation for Lambert with more compensation when we sack RDM in May.

If it happened then Rdm would have to be and I think would be given money to spend but it may just be possible Lerner has huge doubts about lambert and if that were the case then he would hardly be giving him money to spend .

We know Lerner has the money and we know that we could lose a fortune going down - I can see no other reason for him not backing lambert financially.

It's widely known a so called itk predicted a week ago that Lerner was having serious doubts about lambert and for that reason wasnt giving him the money , he also predicted that today's game would be the tipping point and that Rdm was the top target in the summer and the long delay was waiting to see if Chelsea kept him or not , now rdm is available it may well be that randy is interested in him again - for what it's worth it was also said that rdm will be financially backed by randy .

Could of course all be bollocks but maybe it could be possible though - I think this is a huge game for lambert and we need a performance today - I hope we get the win and randy decides to give lambert the cash , but I fear the worst.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:49:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 07:26:36 AM
Sacking Lambert in favour of Di Matteo would be madness IMO. However, he does need some player. The whole article is very loaded to get the headline from the group of journalists in fairness to Lambert. Who on here thought we could afford Lescott and Parker without taking big cuts on their wages? Fact is they are both 30 plus on massive, massive wages, and would cripple us financially. Of course we can't afford that. If we want 3-4 players this window, it is also clear we can't lay out upwards of 6m on each. We will, I am confident, spend more than 6 million net this Jan though.

The thing is though Ozz, lambert was asked about lescott a couple of weeks ago and talked him up implying we could try and do something , yesterday he said such players are dreamland so what has changed in the last 10 days? Has Lerner pulled the rug from him?

The body language of lambert and his interviews recently have been very different to the man who arrived A few months ago- the other night he sat on the bench looking like a rabbit in the headlights and a man resigned to his fate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on January 12, 2013, 07:52:50 AM: Maybe it is true but I have a bad feeling about RDM, however I had a great feeling we had found the perfect boss in Lambert. I'd say I have as much clue in our direction as the chaps upstairs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:57:46 AM: Quote from: Ian J on January 12, 2013, 07:52:50 AM
Maybe it is true but I have a bad feeling about RDM, however I had a great feeling we had found the perfect boss in Lambert. I'd say I have as much clue in our direction as the chaps upstairs.

Lambert was my top choice too, and I think the majority of us , I did not envisage things being as bad as this though and the last month has been awful - I think he can still possibly turn it around but not without decent money .
Mcleish said how he discussed summer targets with Faulkner without having the slightest inkling that he was going to be sacked , could lambert be about to go the same way?

Today will be a huge game for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 08:50:19 AM: Stopping money for relegation survival signings because you're unsure of the manager? Hmmmm...if that was the case you'd have to say its a matter of 'when' not 'if' he gets the tintack. Also you'd think Lambert would be aware of this lack of faifth in him and resign to save a bit of face before his reputation is trashed,.. I know there's a pay-off for him to worry about but still.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 12, 2013, 09:10:46 AM: Lambert might be sacked Monday and another Scottish manager in, King Kenny .

I know things are bad guys but RL wont be sacking PL quite yet
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:30:45 AM: As depressing as that article comes across, at least Lambert knows we need to bring players in and is working on it. It sounds like he's got players in mind so it's just a case of seeing what happens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 12, 2013, 09:33:25 AM: The saddest thing about this whole situation is that we now accept that all we want to do is stave off relegation.
Fuck me, that's depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 12, 2013, 09:37:46 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:30:45 AM
As depressing as that article comes across, at least Lambert knows we need to bring players in and is working on it. It sounds like he's got players in mind so it's just a case of seeing what happens.
Yep,fucking genuis this Lambert,fancy him knowing he needs to bring players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on January 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM: In total desperation last night I thought the unthinkable which is bringing Hutton and Warnock back into the first team , am I the only one?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:44:06 AM: Quote from: Steve kirk on January 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
In total desperation last night I thought the unthinkable which is bringing Hutton and Warnock back into the first team , am I the only one?

Lambert was asked this apparantley and he said no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM: Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2013, 09:53:32 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: Steve kirk on January 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
In total desperation last night I thought the unthinkable which is bringing Hutton and Warnock back into the first team , am I the only one?

Lambert was asked this apparantley and he said no.

If we have no real money for replacements and no way of selling them, than this is ridiculous.

I'm not writing our young full backs off at all, but in some matches this year they would have been better subbed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:57:49 AM: Quote from: Malandro on January 12, 2013, 09:53:32 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: Steve kirk on January 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
In total desperation last night I thought the unthinkable which is bringing Hutton and Warnock back into the first team , am I the only one?

Lambert was asked this apparantley and he said no.

If we have no real money for replacements and no way of selling them, than this is ridiculous.

I'm not writing our young full backs off at all, but in some matches this year they would have been better subbed.

I think Lowton has been good though overall and he's better than Hutton. Bennett if anybody looks like he needs taking out the firing line though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 10:00:42 AM: Hutton was training with the kids yesterday , lambert seems a bit stubborn like mon in that way , I can't see Hutton or warnock figuring again under him.

The thing that worries me is every time I've seen him questioned about relegation he seems to say "we"ll be fine" , whereas others like redknapp , Adkins, Martinez accept they are in a scrap and need to fight tooth and nail .

From the mail article I think if lambert does stay he is going to be having to look at loan deals , sadly without decent money to be spent I really cannot see him having much chance of turning this around .

We do have Hutton , warnock and maybe a recall option on makoun but lambert has made clear none of those will be considered .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2013, 10:09:56 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:44:21 AM

It's widely known a so called itk predicted a week ago that Lerner was having serious doubts about lambert and for that reason wasnt giving him the money , he also predicted that today's game would be the tipping point and that Rdm was the top target in the summer and the long delay was waiting to see if Chelsea kept him or not , now rdm is available it may well be that randy is interested in him again - for what it's worth it was also said that rdm will be financially backed by randy .

Could of course all be bollocks but maybe it could be possible though - I think this is a huge game for lambert and we need a performance today - I hope we get the win and randy decides to give lambert the cash , but I fear the worst.

Christ, Eastie, you're the most gullible person on the Internet. "It is widely known" - ie you posted it here - "that a so called itk said" - that some teenage dope on a power trip on twitter says - that all of a sudden, we've got money to give a new manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 12, 2013, 10:14:07 AM: Swansea have (reportedly) made a bit of £7m for Tom Ince.

He's very mature for his age, an accomplished player who has really developed since moving to Blackpool with alot of raw potential. We really should be looking at signing him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 10:18:48 AM: If O'Nell signs Moussa Sissoko I think I'll cry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:20:59 AM: Quote from: Steve kirk on January 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
In total desperation last night I thought the unthinkable which is bringing Hutton and Warnock back into the first team , am I the only one?

Warnock I'd certainly put back in over Bennett. In many ways I feel sorry for Warnock. I think the decline started with Houllier and the culmination of other managers dropping him has destroyed his confidence. Don't forget he edged out Baines in the 2010 World Cup squad such was his impressive club form. Just shockingly handled by crap management in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:22:05 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.

It dose'nt matter how many times you post the same thing, it dose'nt make you right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:32:24 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.

It dose'nt matter how many times you post the same thing, it dose'nt make you right.

It's my opinion mate, which I'm entitled to - isn't that what these boards are for? So your happy with events since August 2010 and that Mr Lerner s doing a great job?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 12, 2013, 10:36:06 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.

It dose'nt matter how many times you post the same thing, it dose'nt make you right.

It's my opinion mate, which I'm entitled to - isn't that what these boards are for? So your happy with events since August 2010 and that Mr Lerner s doing a great job?

That's quite black and white thinking. There are shades of grey inbetween (about fifty of them if the book is to be believed).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:40:40 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.

It dose'nt matter how many times you post the same thing, it dose'nt make you right.

It's my opinion mate, which I'm entitled to - isn't that what these boards are for? So your happy with events since August 2010 and that Mr Lerner s doing a great job?

I did'nt say he was doing a great job but i don't think all of his decisions have been awful either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 12, 2013, 10:43:16 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 10:00:42 AM
Hutton was training with the kids yesterday , lambert seems a bit stubborn like mon in that way , I can't see Hutton or warnock figuring again under him.

The thing that worries me is every time I've seen him questioned about relegation he seems to say "we"ll be fine" , whereas others like redknapp , Adkins, Martinez accept they are in a scrap and need to fight tooth and nail .

From the mail article I think if lambert does stay he is going to be having to look at loan deals , sadly without decent money to be spent I really cannot see him having much chance of turning this around .

We do have Hutton , warnock and maybe a recall option on makoun but lambert has made clear none of those will be considered . [\b]

In the situation we find ourselves this sort of attitude is utterly ridiculous, he should consider ALL options. He just strikes me that he is a clone of MON but even worse for his stubborness! God help us all, relegation beckons!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 12, 2013, 10:43:51 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 11, 2013, 10:43:35 PM
I've had to have a read back through the thread otherwise i'd have missed all the fun and games! If i'd have logged in an hour from now i'd have pottered along in blissful ignorance...

It would be no problem at all to post the article up, but the reason I link to it is because the site is a start-up and the figures help attract prospective backers, I guess. For what it's worth, my colleague seanthevillain and I don't recieve any money at all for our work - we do it to expose our work to a wide audience and because we're huge Villa fans who want to write considered, intelligent stuff that goes some way to opposing the general low opinion of the media in general of the Villa. As a side issue, our editor asks us to post links to our articles on Villa forums; we post only here because generally people know what they're talking about and react, rather than try and outdo one another on other forums.

I'm sorry if I have transgressed: to break house rules isn't my thing. If there's a format the mods are happier with Sean and I would be willing to follow. If it's a consolation, then pickourteam is Premier League only - if Villa drop, then I guess we would too.

In terms of the content, I'm not looking for apologies. I'd like to know why Hawkeye thinks it's badly written given my editor, a current broadsheet journalist, doesn't hold that opinion. Criticism's only useful to me if learn something - if it's just an insult, I'm likely to follow the same line just to be perverse. I will say that some of my opinions on Villa find themselves in H&V occasionally, under my actual name. I wonder if it's the style that's really winding you up or the method of delivery?

Put simply, I won't be stopping writing and i'm not going to cry. I've been a writer for nearly a decade and i've taken hits that have hurt more than that. The worst of it is that I do it because I love the club as much as any fan and this small part of my own time is what I want to share. If that's going to meet with criticism because some are having a bad day then I guess it makes me love being a part of the Villa family slightly less.

Personally, I thought it was a good read, mate.
I actually posted it on AVillafan.com, so I'll probably get a bo***cking for you ;D under the 'Is Lamberts plan workig' thread.
Think it was received well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 12, 2013, 10:45:55 AM: Quote from: Yossarian on January 12, 2013, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 12, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 12, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
Lerner must spend that's as simple as that. Even he can't be stupid enough to want to miss that TV deal.

Don't bet on it....he's presided over the decline of the club since August 2010 and nearly all of his decisions have been awful, so the job is nearly complete for relegation in May.

It dose'nt matter how many times you post the same thing, it dose'nt make you right.

It's my opinion mate, which I'm entitled to - isn't that what these boards are for? So your happy with events since August 2010 and that Mr Lerner s doing a great job?

That's quite black and white thinking. There are shades of grey inbetween (about fifty of them if the book is to be believed).
The only way we relate to 50 Shades of Grey is all the spankings we've been getting. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2013, 10:47:10 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

So do I , defeat today I think would see lambert go and di Matteo in , If that were the case I could see why randy hasn't given lambert money but would expect any new manager to be given funds to get us out of this mess.
No no no for lots of reasons. Lambert is here to stay even if we get relegated. RDM is shit. If Randy sacks Lambert he is in to £6m compensation claim. There will definitely be no money for the new coach.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 10:52:08 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 12, 2013, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 11, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

So do I , defeat today I think would see lambert go and di Matteo in , If that were the case I could see why randy hasn't given lambert money but would expect any new manager to be given funds to get us out of this mess.
No no no for lots of reasons. Lambert is here to stay even if we get relegated. RDM is shit. If Randy sacks Lambert he is in to £6m compensation claim. There will definitely be no money for the new coach.

Why is lambert here to stay even if relegated? If randy feels he's made a mistake I'm sure he would act to protect his investment.

What's to say having seen rdm take over a Chelsea team that had lost its way and go on to win two major trophies that randy may think rdm could turn this club around - we don't know what randy is or isn't thinking?

I am not saying I think rdm would be a better option but randy might possible believe so.

Relegation if it happened would cost many times more than £6m compensation - I'm sure if randy feels that's the route to take would rather pay the compensation than be relegated.

None of know what's going on but we do know randy is not short of cash, can you offer an explanation as to why it appears he will not back lambert financially, because other having doubts whether he is the right man I see no reason why he is not backing him?

I hope we win today and that randy does back lambert with cash to avert relegation , but I'm far from sure things will pan out that way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 12, 2013, 10:54:43 AM: I can see why Lerner might be reluctant to throw money at players and try and sign our way out of trouble. If you knew nothing about football apart from the money you had paid/were paying for players like, Hutton, Warnock, N'zogbia, Given, Bent, Harewood, Ireland, Heskey, Makoun etc. and how their signings had been no guarantee of improving the team but had lost an incredible ammount of money.

Then looking at more recent signings you saw that by signing a load of players from lower/cheaper leagues, the league position is only slightly worse but if anything you have added to their value.

If that's your experience of 'running' the club, and the manager then approached you asking to sign a Scott Parker/Danny Murphy player with the right sort of experience and leadership that we need, but demanding big wages and at an age where you could write off any transfer fee, you can see how he might be reluctant.

It's frustrating because I think even with one signing in that mould and you'd be a lot more confident that we could stay up.

Whatever happens we really need to get a win today to give us a bit of hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:00:55 AM: As I said earlier any players bought now would surely still have a resale value if we were relegated , so it's not as if its dead money that cant be recouped, also relegation clauses could be put in if necessary - the club must bring players in to help get us out of trouble .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 12, 2013, 11:16:12 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-can-forget-851350

Pretty blunt from PL there ..not expecting much to happen now.Loans perhaps best option

Depressing read that.

"We'll try and do something", "We're trying" "It's not easy"

Just in case we were in danger of getting carried away with excitement...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:18:48 AM: Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 12, 2013, 11:21:07 AM: I've just read Lambert's quotes in the article in the telegraph and I am now pretty sure we are not going to be buying the experienced leader we need in the middle of the park, even if he wants it. Either that or he playing a fantastic game of poker! I don't know what to think, can understand everyone's point of view on here and the truth, as ever will come out and lie somewhere in the middle of it all. The likes of Sissoko at 3.5 million euros would seem an an obvious choice and we may well be in the mix negotiating for him, who knows? What concerns me is that Lambert has a less enthusiastic air about him than six months ago, one that you could perhaps describe as a dead man walking?

I really believe in him and what he is trying to do, even after the last month, but I think he is finding it harder than he thought, due to injuries to the few experienced players we have, and he maybe expected that he'd get support to deviate from the path temporarily this window to get us through the sticky patch. That support has not materialised, hence his demeanour.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 12, 2013, 11:21:48 AM: Quote from: Pete3206 on January 12, 2013, 01:12:52 AM
I know Lambert is a dour sort of fellow by nature, but telling Villa fans they're living in 'Dreamland' when it comes to buying decent players isn't exactly a great way of pulling back the missing thousands is it? Still, he seems to be powerless to change it as Lerner fumbles around without a clue to be found.
Agreed. It stinks of trying to lower expectations which is equally, if not more painful than the performances themselves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 12, 2013, 11:23:00 AM: I suppose it depends which side of the fence you sit on, but I did feel there were some positives to be taken from Lamberts quotes.

He recognises what we've all been saying and has identified the problem positions. He said we ARE looking to bring a couple of players in to address those areas.

The article in the mail suggests we could go for Diame from Wet Spam by activating a 3.5m contract clause. Who would stand up here now and say that wouldn't be a good purchase?

And so what if Lambert has admitted we're unable to afford the kind of wages Parker and Lescott are on? Any sensible Villa fan could've told you that anyway.

As angry as I was on Tuesday night, I'm going to curb my critism of the three stooges - PL, RL and PF- for now and get behind the team. It's perfectly possible things will look a whole lot rosier by February 1st.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM: According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 12, 2013, 11:29:13 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

now thats depressing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 12, 2013, 11:31:07 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Was just about to post something similar.

Or 7. We're broke and will never again be able to buy anyone halfway decent (I hope not)

I wonder if we're doing them all a massive disservice and it's really a case of Lambert and Lerner sticking to a plan and they just have more balls than us and they're going to get the plane to rise up just in time to avoid the huge fucking mountain that is relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 12, 2013, 11:34:00 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Mainly 6 leading to a bit of 2, possibly elements of a bit of 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 12, 2013, 11:34:15 AM: Quote from: andyh on January 12, 2013, 09:33:25 AM
The saddest thing about this whole situation is that we now accept that all we want to do is stave off relegation.
Fuck me, that's depressing.

Since August 2010, whenever it has looked as though we have turned the corner, something has always been lurking just around the corner to make the whole thing go tits up again. There is no sense of leadership at villa, certainly no sense of hunger and ambition and a sense of abolsute dread whenever we have a game.

We all thought the corner had been turned at Anfield but less than a month later it is now worse than at any stage since the decline set in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:39:32 AM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 12, 2013, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Was just about to post something similar.

Or 7. We're broke and will never again be able to buy anyone halfway decent (I hope not)

I wonder if we're doing them all a massive disservice and it's really a case of Lambert and Lerner sticking to a plan and they just have more balls than us and they're going to get the plane to rise up just in time to avoid the huge fucking mountain that is relegation.

As somone said last night if Lambert keeps us up with the present squad it would be miraculous so they would have to have balls of steel. I guess with players coming back from injury we could rally before its too late but its a hell of a punt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:45:55 AM: Not only that Greg but we are only 2 games away from winning a cup and qualifying for Europe - now that would be something!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 12, 2013, 11:46:52 AM: Steven Gerrard -The Guardian today "I look at Aston Villa now and the majority of them are going to be fantastic players in time but in my opinion that team needs two or three old heads to guide them.Stilian Petrov is a big miss for them."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 11:51:15 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
Not only that Greg but we are only 2 games away from winning a cup and qualifying for Europe - now that would be something!

Indeed. Or in the Championship and in Europe. Sure someone's done that before.........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 12, 2013, 11:56:49 AM: Somebody just predicted us to win 3-1 on the radio and everyone burst out of laughing. The fact that we have been made to look a complete and utter laughing stock does not make us an attractive proposition at the moment. It's all very depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 12, 2013, 11:58:34 AM: I think Lerner has a bet with the Venky Group which they are currently winning
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:58:43 AM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.

Seems most press are reporting sissoko as being poised to join Sunderland with some saying the fee is £2.5m and low wages in comparison.
Mon recently signed a young French midfielder too, seems he's finally got his scouting network sorted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 12, 2013, 12:01:48 PM: Quote from: claretandbeer on January 12, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
Steven Gerrard -The Guardian today "I look at Aston Villa now and the majority of them are going to be fantastic players in time but in my opinion that team needs two or three old heads to guide them.Stilian Petrov is a big miss for them."
Well spotted Gerrard. We have been saying the same all season >:(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 12:03:55 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.

Just makes you wonder what sort of tight leash Mr Short has on MON. Maybe he demands (shock! horror!) Value for Money from Pubehead's signings before giving them the go-ahead. Would certainly explain the lack of expensive english based duffers turning up there for mad money and wages. or more importantly our english based duffers :0(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2013, 12:05:14 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.

It does effect us though as they are one of the clubs near us struggling.Also begs question why those players weren't signed when he was here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 12, 2013, 12:09:49 PM: Why we are not in for this player is beyond me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 12, 2013, 12:22:31 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
As I said earlier any players bought now would surely still have a resale value if we were relegated , so it's not as if its dead money that cant be recouped, also relegation clauses could be put in if necessary - the club must bring players in to help get us out of trouble .

All depends on what sort of relegation clauses are written into the contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 12, 2013, 12:30:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.

Seems most press are reporting sissoko as being poised to join Sunderland with some saying the fee is £2.5m and low wages in comparison.
Mon recently signed a young French midfielder too, seems he's finally got his scouting network sorted.
Or, perhaps our club is poorly run, doesn't have very good personnel to liaise transfers, or other business deals for that marter
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM: Our problem is not the manager, I believe in him and he must be given time. Our problem is money, we either don't have (in which case lets shut up, be real and get on with it) or Lerner does not wish to release money (in which case my long standing support for him has just finished)
UTV
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2013, 12:49:07 PM: Gutted if MON signs Sissoko and we are not at least trying for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 12, 2013, 12:52:16 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
Not only that Greg but we are only 2 games away from winning a cup and qualifying for Europe - now that would be something!
Europe would a fucking disaster with this squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 12:55:58 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 12, 2013, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 12, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

I said this the other day, but if MON adds another young, overseas player to the Sunderland squad, early in the window, then despite the fact it affects me directly not one jot, I'll still be so, so pissed off. I know it's irrational, but there we are.

Seems most press are reporting sissoko as being poised to join Sunderland with some saying the fee is £2.5m and low wages in comparison.
Mon recently signed a young French midfielder too, seems he's finally got his scouting network sorted.
Or, perhaps our club is poorly run, doesn't have very good personnel to liaise transfers, or other business deals for that marter

Indeed. I wonder if Greg has the right of it with regard to Short being a rather more astute Chairman than perhaps MON's last employer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM: Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Our problem is not the manager, I believe in him and he must be given time. Our problem is money, we either don't have (in which case lets shut up, be real and get on with it) or Lerner does not wish to release money (in which case my long standing support for him has just finished)
UTV
I'm sorry but how can you believe in a manager that has allowed us to suffer the heaviest defeat in our history , a heavy loss to a 4th division side,least goals scored,most goals conceded,worst start to a Premier league season ever.I'm really struggling to see what there is to believe in.Another defeat today and he should be out of the door,regardless of how many managers we've previously had.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2013, 01:35:15 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Our problem is not the manager, I believe in him and he must be given time. Our problem is money, we either don't have (in which case lets shut up, be real and get on with it) or Lerner does not wish to release money (in which case my long standing support for him has just finished)
UTV
I'm sorry but how can you believe in a manager that has allowed us to suffer the heaviest defeat in our history , a heavy loss to a 4th division side,least goals scored,most goals conceded,worst start to a Premier league season ever.I'm really struggling to see what there is to believe in.Another defeat today and he should be out of the door,regardless of how many managers we've previously had.

He has my support. We survived last year by the skin of our teeth, have had an injury crisis, however, more or less to the man his signings have looked the part (I will give the young players plenty of slack and I actually think Karim will do well in a balanced midfield)
With hindsight selling Collins was a mistake, but most (myself included) wanted him out the club. We could do with him now.

Its up to Randy whether we stay up and at the moment I've got to believe he will invest.

Sacking Lambert would be a joke, if you think he is a failure do you trust Lerner to do any better?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:47:14 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 12, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Our problem is not the manager, I believe in him and he must be given time. Our problem is money, we either don't have (in which case lets shut up, be real and get on with it) or Lerner does not wish to release money (in which case my long standing support for him has just finished)
UTV
I'm sorry but how can you believe in a manager that has allowed us to suffer the heaviest defeat in our history , a heavy loss to a 4th division side,least goals scored,most goals conceded,worst start to a Premier league season ever.I'm really struggling to see what there is to believe in.Another defeat today and he should be out of the door,regardless of how many managers we've previously had.

He has my support. We survived last year by the skin of our teeth, have had an injury crisis, however, more or less to the man his signings have looked the part (I will give the young players plenty of slack and I actually think Karim will do well in a balanced midfield)
With hindsight selling Collins was a mistake, but most (myself included) wanted him out the club. We could do with him now.

Its up to Randy whether we stay up and at the moment I've got to believe he will invest.

Sacking Lambert would be a joke, if you think he is a failure do you trust Lerner to do any better?
Lambert could have signed more players on the Summer,he had the finances.He didn't and defended his decision his to buy young and hungry players even when it was clear to everybody that we needed much more experience,especially as he had frozen out Warnock and Hutton.The defence was ridiculously inexperienced even when Vlaar was in and we've been shipping goals for fun all season.Lamberts fault
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 12, 2013, 02:00:41 PM: Quote from: LamboAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 12, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: LamboAlways on January 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on January 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM
Our problem is not the manager, I believe in him and he must be given time. Our problem is money, we either don't have (in which case lets shut up, be real and get on with it) or Lerner does not wish to release money (in which case my long standing support for him has just finished)
UTV
I'm sorry but how can you believe in a manager that has allowed us to suffer the heaviest defeat in our history , a heavy loss to a 4th division side,least goals scored,most goals conceded,worst start to a Premier league season ever.I'm really struggling to see what there is to believe in.Another defeat today and he should be out of the door,regardless of how many managers we've previously had.

He has my support. We survived last year by the skin of our teeth, have had an injury crisis, however, more or less to the man his signings have looked the part (I will give the young players plenty of slack and I actually think Karim will do well in a balanced midfield)
With hindsight selling Collins was a mistake, but most (myself included) wanted him out the club. We could do with him now.

Its up to Randy whether we stay up and at the moment I've got to believe he will invest.

Sacking Lambert would be a joke, if you think he is a failure do you trust Lerner to do any better?
Lambert could have signed more players on the Summer,he had the finances.He didn't and defended his decision his to buy young and hungry players even when it was clear to everybody that we needed much more experience,especially as he had frozen out Warnock and Hutton.The defence was ridiculously inexperienced even when Vlaar was in and we've been shipping goals for fun all season.Lamberts fault

Maybe you should consider a name change? Hard to disagree with what you say though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 12, 2013, 02:16:08 PM: We are in the mire no mistake, but there are too many on this forum who are brilliant with perfect hindsight.

We are were we are and maybe PL was not the right choice but he was a pretty popular choice at the time.

We just have to sit tight now IMO and see what happens this month in terms of players in and hope we can survive until next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dribbler on January 12, 2013, 02:22:21 PM: Maybe, just maybe, Paul Lambert doesn't think it's a great idea in a transfer window where player prices are already far too inflated, to come out and advertise to the world, including other clubs and their agents, that he's got x amount of money to spend. Your just asking to get fleeced if you do that.

The truth of the matter is nobody here knows exactly how much money he has been told he can spend on transfers, and what kind of wages he can offer.

What we do know is that Randy Lerner has backed all of his managers with a significant amount of cash for transfers, including Lambert in the summer, and that we are the fourth highest spenders in the premiership over the last few years.

Given those facts I find it a little hard to understand why so many people are keen to jump on Lerner's back about not investing in the club, or supposedly not making funds available for Lambert. All the quotes we have heard from Lambert can be read in a variety of ways and don't really veer from his general philosophy of investing in cheaper hungry players rather than expensive big names.

Yes I'm frustrated we've not signed anyone yet, we need players in, and the sooner the better, but maybe it's because it's actually difficult to get the right players in during this transfer window, especially when we are where we are in the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 12, 2013, 06:00:42 PM: Can we please sign in this window a new owner, a new CEO and a new Manager, that will do me for January 2013
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 12, 2013, 06:02:55 PM: Boz, hindsight or not I do not think after today we can sit tight, I think we have to change something and if RL is not going then PL has to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 12, 2013, 06:04:43 PM: Lerner has fiddled whilst VP burns and that will be his legacy. Forget the Holte pub, free coaches and scarves...everyone knew we needed players in and nothing has been done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 12, 2013, 06:08:50 PM: Can we start selling off these garbage young players? Make room for respectable and capable players. Bannan, Delph, Albrighton, even Clark prove your worth or get out. It's comical that the Villa academy players are the worst of the bunch. Talk about lack of pride.

Get em off the books and bring in TALENT.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 12, 2013, 06:12:15 PM: If he's not getting backed then Lambert has to walk out. There is no way we will stay up without major signings.

If he is getting backed then we need at the very least a quality centre mid, centre back and left back PDQ. Preferably before West Brom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 12, 2013, 06:12:30 PM: Bradford have lost to Oxford, let's buy their midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 12, 2013, 06:37:19 PM: Liam Bridcutt and Liam Trotter in to give midfield needed energy.. We wont / can't sign established players so need the bes t of the rest.. Also need a left back maybe Warnock back in??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 12, 2013, 06:59:13 PM: D-Day next week. Reckon either PL will get the bullet or a player will arrive by Wednesday.*

*now watch as absolutely nothing happens
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM: We don't need 2 players anymore, we need 4-5 tbh.

The 8-0 defeat at Chelsea has done us imo, someone like Lowton who'd been consistant all season has looked shot since that game, same with Baker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2013, 07:02:42 PM: Who is going to want to come to us now though? Most Premiership players will consider us strong relegation possibilities now and therefore probably would be put off a permanent move. We still might be able to attract those types of players on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 12, 2013, 07:12:02 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
We don't need 2 players anymore, we need 4-5 tbh.

The 8-0 defeat at Chelsea has done us imo, someone like Lowton who'd been consistant all season has looked shot since that game, same with Baker.

Lowton was appalling today. He's lost or gave the ball away on 6 consecutive occasions in the 1at half. Not good enough for the Villa 1st team. That could be said about most of this pitiful team though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 07:55:01 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 12, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
We don't need 2 players anymore, we need 4-5 tbh.

The 8-0 defeat at Chelsea has done us imo, someone like Lowton who'd been consistant all season has looked shot since that game, same with Baker.

Lowton was appalling today. He's lost or gave the ball away on 6 consecutive occasions in the 1at half. Not good enough for the Villa 1st team. That could be said about most of this pitiful team though.

First half he was poor. Second half he showed spirited and commitment and probably got as forward as he has anytime this season.

I agree his level has dropped last few weeks, not surprising as he's stepped up two divisions and has played pretty much every league game.

Said after Wigan it might be time to give him a breather but when that alternative is Hutton....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 07:56:40 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
We don't need 2 players anymore, we need 4-5 tbh.

The 8-0 defeat at Chelsea has done us imo, someone like Lowton who'd been consistant all season has looked shot since that game, same with Baker.

I think the Chelsea result was simply the rug being pulled from our eyes.

I agree about Lowton, and it's a shame because he looks very promising. It's just another side-effect of this awful season. The same goes for the others, too. Benteke, Westwood, they're potentially good players having their self-belief decimated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2013, 08:27:24 PM: The concern is that with every defeat the selling clubs will know we are a little more desperate and try and hold out for more money. It's football, and nobody is going to reach out a hand to help us. In fact, they are going to the exact opposite because it makes sense to. I don't blame them either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hawkeye on January 12, 2013, 08:44:40 PM: the lack of even sugested targets on here is a bit worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 12, 2013, 08:50:54 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 12, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
We don't need 2 players anymore, we need 4-5 tbh.

The 8-0 defeat at Chelsea has done us imo, someone like Lowton who'd been consistant all season has looked shot since that game, same with Baker.

I think the Chelsea result was simply the rug being pulled from our eyes.

I agree about Lowton, and it's a shame because he looks very promising. It's just another side-effect of this awful season. The same goes for the others, too. Benteke, Westwood, they're potentially good players having their self-belief decimated.

Rugs are under feet. Veils cover eyes. Unless you are saying that we wear wigs. We have been unbalanced, scalped and blinded by effin Lerner, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 12, 2013, 09:20:31 PM: Let's face it, which player with any ambition would come here now? It's like climbing aboard the Titanic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 12, 2013, 10:03:10 PM: The only way we can attract a decent player this window is with wages... Which is the thing that got us here in the first place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 12, 2013, 10:24:10 PM: Yep that's the catch 22 we've got ourselves in to thanks to this totally inept group in the Boardroom.

We'll now have to pay crazy wages to attract decent players and clubs know we're now desperate...... another masterstroke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:00:32 AM: For fucks sake, theres no way I believe that there is no better leftback in the world than Enda Stevens who wont sign for us for less than £20.000 p/w.

Same applies to Delph, Bannan, Clarke etc etc

These players are shit and theres better out there who wouldnt cost the earth or millions of pounds per season.

Other clubs have found them, look at a squad list from the Premier league and count them up, guys you've never heard of who came over and did a job.

We need to pull our fingers out with the scouting network, it's been shit for years and low an behold we put a guy with a decent rep in place and it looks as it he's pissing off to Germany to become assistant manager to some no mark club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 12:04:05 AM: There must be hundreds of better left backs than what we have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 12:05:43 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:00:32 AM
For fucks sake, theres no way I believe that there is no better leftback in the world than Enda Stevens who wont sign for us for less than £20.000 p/w.

Same applies to Delph, Bannan, Clarke etc etc

These players are shit and theres better out there who wouldnt cost the earth or millions of pounds per season.

Other clubs have found them, look at a squad list from the Premier league and count them up, guys you've never heard of who came over and did a job.

We need to pull our fingers out with the scouting network, it's been shit for years and low an behold we put a guy with a decent rep in place and it looks as it he's pissing off to Germany to become assistant manager to some no mark club.

We were sold a lie that our youth system was akin to Ajax's. I never fell for that bullshit but many did. Lerner for a start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2013, 12:10:05 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 12:04:05 AM
There must be hundreds of better left backs than what we have.

We have one in Warnock who is average....which makes him light years better than Srevens, Lichaj & Bennett
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 12:11:54 AM: Well indeed I'd play him for 6 months.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2013, 12:15:54 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 12:05:43 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:00:32 AM
For fucks sake, theres no way I believe that there is no better leftback in the world than Enda Stevens who wont sign for us for less than £20.000 p/w.

Same applies to Delph, Bannan, Clarke etc etc

These players are shit and theres better out there who wouldnt cost the earth or millions of pounds per season.

Other clubs have found them, look at a squad list from the Premier league and count them up, guys you've never heard of who came over and did a job.

We need to pull our fingers out with the scouting network, it's been shit for years and low an behold we put a guy with a decent rep in place and it looks as it he's pissing off to Germany to become assistant manager to some no mark club.

We were sold a lie that our youth system was akin to Ajax's. I never fell for that bullshit but many did. Lerner for a start.

I would still like to know who convinced him that a reliance on the Academy products was the way forward. It would have certainly suited someone like Kevin MacDonald to promote such an idea when he was in temporary charge of the side and involved with the first team, as it meant he would have been working with players that he worked with before and it would have reflected well on the job he was doing with the younger players at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 13, 2013, 12:20:58 AM: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-prevent-darren-bent-1531322

Aston Villa are blocking Darren Bent from joining their relegation rivals this month.

Reading and QPR have expressed an interest in the striker, who has struggled to get into the Villa team.

Bent may have to wait until the end of the season to leave – unless any clubs further up the table bid this month.

Villa are in a relegation battle with Reading and QPR, while Fulham may also be deemed too close for comfort.

Clubs are reluctant to pay a big fee for 28-year-old Bent, who joined Villa for £24million, because Paul Lambert’s men may get relegated.

Then the club will be forced to let one of their highest earners leave for a cut-price fee
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:23:46 AM: Just sell him to Fulham now, we can't compete with the likes of the Fulhams of this world and we're skint. Lamberts made a right meal of the situation with Bent, hutton and Warnock. Devalued and demotivated the lot of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2013, 01:25:08 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:23:46 AM
Just sell him to Fulham now, we can't compete with the likes of the Fulhams of this world and we're skint. Lamberts made a right meal of the situation with Bent, hutton and Warnock. Devalued and demotivated the lot of them.

To be fair, those particular three were doing a good job of that themselves before Lambert even arrived at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 01:27:18 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:23:46 AM
Just sell him to Fulham now, we can't compete with the likes of the Fulhams of this world and we're skint. Lamberts made a right meal of the situation with Bent, hutton and Warnock. Devalued and demotivated the lot of them.

You're joking. Get him fit and get him into the team. We need goals and he scores them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 13, 2013, 01:33:16 AM: Club has nobody else to blame (PL,PF,RL). We knew we needed signings first day or so of the window. They chose to let us get into this mess now it will be even harder to recruit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 02:14:30 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 13, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-prevent-darren-bent-1531322

Aston Villa are blocking Darren Bent from joining their relegation rivals this month.

Reading and QPR have expressed an interest in the striker, who has struggled to get into the Villa team.

Bent may have to wait until the end of the season to leave – unless any clubs further up the table bid this month.

Villa are in a relegation battle with Reading and QPR, while Fulham may also be deemed too close for comfort.

Clubs are reluctant to pay a big fee for 28-year-old Bent, who joined Villa for £24million, because Paul Lambert’s men may get relegated.

Then the club will be forced to let one of their highest earners leave for a cut-price fee

I think Lambert would flog him tomorrow to fund some signings. The question is how low would the fee be? 9m? 6m? Beyond the madness of selling a 20 goal a season striker to a relegation rival who would obviously do everything to ensure the team played to his strengths (something that lambert's resolutely refused to do), he's the only asset other than Benteke that could bring decent money in. Selling him could be lamberts last throw of the dice
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Eigentor on January 13, 2013, 03:48:54 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 13, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-prevent-darren-bent-1531322

Aston Villa are blocking Darren Bent from joining their relegation rivals this month.

Reading and QPR have expressed an interest in the striker, who has struggled to get into the Villa team.

Bent may have to wait until the end of the season to leave – unless any clubs further up the table bid this month.

Villa are in a relegation battle with Reading and QPR, while Fulham may also be deemed too close for comfort.

Clubs are reluctant to pay a big fee for 28-year-old Bent, who joined Villa for £24million, because Paul Lambert’s men may get relegated.

Then the club will be forced to let one of their highest earners leave for a cut-price fee

If we're not going to play him, then sell him -- to the highest bidder, whether that's a relegation rival or not -- and reinvest the money wisely.

To stay up we need to focus on our own team, not to start worrying that other teams may not continue to be as shit as they have been. We can't control their performances or signings anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2013, 04:19:04 AM: honestly feel if Bent had been playing yesterday we would have won
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2013, 05:26:08 AM: When Bent first came he was fed by Young and Downing, no one of that calibre at the club anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on January 13, 2013, 07:24:50 AM: Stick or twist time for Lerner yet again. Stick and strong possibility that we're a goner. Seems to be a repetitive theme here now, spend when desperate to do so, when spending (more) in the first place wouldn't have seen us in this mess.

No idea how the club is run in terms of finance, wage bills, etc but in terms of actual football, it's getting worse. Bit by bit we are getting to the category of Wigan et al...just survival will do.

Lambert hasn't set the world on fire we all know that, but the problem lays much deeper and hiring and firing isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 13, 2013, 08:28:01 AM: No way should we sell Bent he would have won us that game yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:29:26 AM: Bent although he missed a sitter on Tuesday is a striker who knows where the net is , I feel if he been played when fit we would be better off than we are now- 17 goals in 22 games is a truly awful record considering the manager says he likes to play attacking football, bent has scored goals throughout his career yet is often on the bench as we miss chance after chance - benteke looks a great prospect but he has missed a lot of sitters this season - to sell bent and then get an injury to benteke would be a disaster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:36:25 AM: @StanCollymore: Can someone in authority come out and say what the plan is at Villa pls. I'm struggling to see anything other than a white flag right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM: I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 09:59:04 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.

Thats the way I see it as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 10:35:30 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
@StanCollymore: Can someone in authority come out and say what the plan is at Villa pls. I'm struggling to see anything other than a white flag right now.

It's about time people like Collymore had more of a go at the people who are running our club into the ground. Until recently it was the usual cliche bullshit, "squad of young and hungry players", and "roller coaster season of up and downs", and "he's building for the future". When in reality Lerner has being quietly dismantling the club and preparing for the the Championship for more than 3 years now.
Why has it taken them so long to see through the lies?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 10:56:29 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
@StanCollymore: Can someone in authority come out and say what the plan is at Villa pls. I'm struggling to see anything other than a white flag right now.

When in reality Lerner has being quietly dismantling the club and preparing for the the Championship for more than 3 years now.

What a ridiculous statement, why on earth would anyone actually plan to fail?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 10:59:24 AM: I suspect we'll sign a couple of players this week. However what is infuriating is that we seem to do everything in a reactive manner. In the summer it took getting played off the park by Everton to realise we needed to sign players and now it's losing to Bradford and Southampton. The board/management just don't seem to have a clue that our squad is clearly inadequate. We've also wasted time and a couple of players could easily have been enough for us to beat Southampton yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2013, 11:05:13 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.

Lowton and Westwood have promise but thats about it. Lowton was desperate in the first half yesterday, the game totally bypassed Westwood. Think they both need time out of the time but our options are limited.

If yesterday is an indication of Nzogbia improving........... :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2013, 11:22:16 AM: That's the way i see it, Westwood is a decent squad player, Lowtoni s trying to do too much and i thought Nzog was terrible, where has his talent gone, we looked better when he was taken off, Gabby gave us better balance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2013, 11:43:59 AM: Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 10:56:29 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
@StanCollymore: Can someone in authority come out and say what the plan is at Villa pls. I'm struggling to see anything other than a white flag right now.

When in reality Lerner has being quietly dismantling the club and preparing for the the Championship for more than 3 years now.

What a ridiculous statement, why on earth would anyone actually plan to fail?
You've never seen the Producers then?
;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 13, 2013, 11:44:18 AM: Oh my god we're going down. We're actually going down. Fuck fuck fuck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2013, 11:47:30 AM: I like Lowton. He's been mostly a bright spot. Arguably that's largely down to how poor we were at RB last season. But for me, Lowton has been overworked. He's making sloppy errors, and being young, the dire organisation and the other 3 having no idea what they're doing, only compounds matters. There's no leader amongst the kids and they need 1-2 in that back line to just keep things tighter.
The trouble is though, Lowton needs a few games out to rest and think about his game a bit, but there's no one to step in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 13, 2013, 11:47:40 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
@StanCollymore: Can someone in authority come out and say what the plan is at Villa pls. I'm struggling to see anything other than a white flag right now.

It's about time people like Collymore had more of a go at the people who are running our club into the ground. Until recently it was the usual cliche bullshit, "squad of young and hungry players", and "roller coaster season of up and downs", and "he's building for the future".

To be fair,most of us we're saying that after the Liverpool game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM: Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 13, 2013, 12:00:34 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)

It wouldn't make a difference though would it?

Guardiola: "OK guys let's press press press and when we win the ball, keep it short and to feet".

AVFC Squad: "...................."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 13, 2013, 12:05:47 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on January 13, 2013, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.

Lowton and Westwood have promise but thats about it. Lowton was desperate in the first half yesterday, the game totally bypassed Westwood. Think they both need time out of the time but our options are limited.

If yesterday is an indication of Nzogbia improving........... :(

Agree with both quotes.
I think the biggest thing is that our options are limited.
How can you prepare for the injuries to the experienced players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2013, 12:11:23 PM: Reading signed the Sporting Lisbon captain, a full back, for £600,000 this week. You telling me he wouldn't be a better player than the current donkeys we have there.

The players are out there, we need to work harder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wolfman999 on January 13, 2013, 12:13:31 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 13, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 13, 2013, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.

Lowton and Westwood have promise but thats about it. Lowton was desperate in the first half yesterday, the game totally bypassed Westwood. Think they both need time out of the time but our options are limited.

If yesterday is an indication of Nzogbia improving........... :(

Agree with both quotes.
I think the biggest thing is that our options are limited.
How can you prepare for the injuries to the experienced players.

By having enough experienced players in the first place ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:16:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Mancini to Villa it is then. I will take that one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:26:58 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Mancini to Villa it is then. I will take that one.

Knowin randy he'd probably go and get terry Mancini!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:31:21 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Mancini to Villa it is then. I will take that one.

Knowin randy he'd probably go and get terry Mancini!
Ha ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2013, 12:38:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Mancini to Villa it is then. I will take that one.

Knowin randy he'd probably go and get terry Mancini!

Having made mistakes, he got us the manager that almost all of us wanted. Lest not forget that not many if any complained upon Lambert's appointment. Now he has to back him with two or three players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ClarrieBlue on January 13, 2013, 12:38:57 PM: Quote from: wolfman999 on January 13, 2013, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 13, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 13, 2013, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I think we need to pick a front two from Benteke, Bent and Weimann every week. All three will hopefully score goals. The harder part is then making the other nine players at least functional by buying a centre-half, left-back and centre-mid with experience.

On the plus side, Westwood and Lowton look decent and Delph and N'Zog seem to be improving.

Sorry, all a bit obvious I know. Just trying to get my head straight as it's spinning a bit at the moment.

Lowton and Westwood have promise but thats about it. Lowton was desperate in the first half yesterday, the game totally bypassed Westwood. Think they both need time out of the time but our options are limited.

If yesterday is an indication of Nzogbia improving........... :(

Agree with both quotes.
I think the biggest thing is that our options are limited.
How can you prepare for the injuries to the experienced players.

By having enough experienced players in the first place ::)

Many teams in the Premiership have sufficient playing resources to leave out top class, fully fit players to give them a rest. It's called squad rotation. It's nothing new and as far as I know is part and parcel of modern football. It is a luxury we do not have and have arrived at a point where we can only cover injuries by playing the youngest/most inexperienced teams we have ever put out. That is down to our transfer policy over the last three years or so. It's not really about being unlucky with injuries. All teams have to expect and plan for them. I remember when Houllier arrived we very quickly had a similar situation and ended up playing all the kids as we ran up to Christmas. Over Christmas and just after we were in the bottom three. That sound's a pretty familiar story to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:42:47 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 13, 2013, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
Pep Guardiola just been seen at Birmingham airport. He asked the Customs officer, Nigel, how to get to Villa Park ;)
That's the dream I've been having for the last two months mate! Nightly!
Me to ! It has took some explaining to the Mrs about the wet patches on my side of the bed ;D

Sadly it's being reported that guardiola has agreed to go to man city in the summer , I'm not sure if their are any other foreign managers that may fit the bill, magath, rikjaerd etc but I doubt they would want to work under randys guidelines.
Mancini to Villa it is then. I will take that one.

Knowin randy he'd probably go and get terry Mancini!

Having made mistakes, he got us the manager that almost all of us wanted. Lest not forget that not many if any complained upon Lambert's appointment. Now he has to back him with two or three players.
Will he back him though ? If he does he has got to be prepared to increase the wage bill and that is exactly what he has not been doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM: We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names. If you choose to accept this challenge they need to be realistic targets regarding transfer fee, wage demands and effectiveness. If we were all tasked with examining the current squads of the 20 premier league clubs for example how many of us could supply three players for PL to consider? And before anybody asks I know football exists outside the PL but it is a good starting point is it not?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:49:42 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names. If you choose to accept this challenge they need to be realistic targets regarding transfer fee, wage demands and effectiveness. If we were all tasked with examining the current squads of the 20 premier league clubs for example how many of us could supply three players for PL to consider? And before anybody asks I know football exists outside the PL but it is a good starting point is it not?
And there is the problem. We do not know of any targets that we could be looking at because the club is so distant from the fans at the moment. Not even rumours have been banded about from any source, nothing in the press at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:49:44 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names. If you choose to accept this challenge they need to be realistic targets regarding transfer fee, wage demands and effectiveness. If we were all tasked with examining the current squads of the 20 premier league clubs for example how many of us could supply three players for PL to consider? And before anybody asks I know football exists outside the PL but it is a good starting point is it not?
Lionel Messi.
Paul McGrath (at 28 yrs oldish please).
Robert Carlos (As above).
Lothar Mattheus and Franz Beckenbauer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:53:17 PM: Would be a start :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:56:32 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names. If you choose to accept this challenge they need to be realistic targets regarding transfer fee, wage demands and effectiveness. If we were all tasked with examining the current squads of the 20 premier league clubs for example how many of us could supply three players for PL to consider? And before anybody asks I know football exists outside the PL but it is a good starting point is it not?
And there is the problem. We do not know of any targets that we could be looking at because the club is so distant from the fans at the moment. Not even rumours have been banded about from any source, nothing in the press at all.

Yes Danlanza but what I am asking is what could we and all the other posters come up with? The problems the club appear to be having identifying potential additions could just be reflective of the state of the market and our own ineptitude in identifying honest and realistic targets who would reasonably guarantee an instant effective improvement in performance and results. That's just it isn't it it is easy for me to moan and groan but no so easy for me to provide three names to fill the positions I feel we need to reinforce.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:57:13 PM: Maybe show some ambition in regards to fee and wages and try and get Lampard. There'll be no shortage of takers in the summer I'm sure. 2-3 mill now. Give him decent wage plus bonuses. He surely will have to take a drop on wages, barring going to Russia, US or Middle East to play.

Parker.
Keane
NRC (till May).
Whittingham

As for defence, perhaps we can get amongst the bidding for Dawson, Olssen.
Or we look to spain, france, germany for available players or see what scandanavian players are available.
Mellberg? Worth a punt maybe. Miles better than what we have. Experienced and still looks sharp.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 01:00:53 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names. If you choose to accept this challenge they need to be realistic targets regarding transfer fee, wage demands and effectiveness. If we were all tasked with examining the current squads of the 20 premier league clubs for example how many of us could supply three players for PL to consider? And before anybody asks I know football exists outside the PL but it is a good starting point is it not?
Lionel Messi.
Paul McGrath (at 28 yrs oldish please).
Robert Carlos (As above).
Lothar Mattheus and Franz Beckenbauer.

No disrespect Supertom but you have just reinforced the exact point I am making. Thank you for you contribution in response I could say
Michel Platini
Bobby Moore
Paolo Maldini

but it doesn't provide any solution does it. Good for entertainment purposes but not at all constructive really sorry!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 01:00:56 PM: Lampard will not come here.
Keane has said he's taking time out having turned down qpr .
Parker and whittingham I'd like but can't see it happening .
Dawson and Olssen both way out of our finances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 13, 2013, 01:03:18 PM: Quote from: supertom on January 13, 2013, 12:57:13 PM
Maybe show some ambition in regards to fee and wages and try and get Lampard. There'll be no shortage of takers in the summer I'm sure. 2-3 mill now. Give him decent wage plus bonuses. He surely will have to take a drop on wages, barring going to Russia, US or Middle East to play.

Parker.
Keane
NRC (till May).
Whittingham

As for defence, perhaps we can get amongst the bidding for Dawson, Olssen.
Or we look to spain, france, germany for available players or see what scandanavian players are available.
Mellberg? Worth a punt maybe. Miles better than what we have. Experienced and still looks sharp.

As you suggest, I think that there are players out there who we could get on, even if on loan, if we really wanted them. It's just a matter of money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:04:23 PM: Its very hard to come up with three possible targers when we seem to have no money at all. Thats why all the suggestions have dried up on here. Even the press are not bothering to make up stories anymore.

An experienced midfielder on minimal wages and transfer fee? F**k knows........ Can only see loan deals possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 13, 2013, 01:11:00 PM: If we can't get Whittingham out of Cardiff to come here we may as well pack up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:16:44 PM: Owen Hargreaves on a pay as you play deal. Experienced and very likely totally cost free. *Wibble*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 01:18:47 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Owen Hargreaves on a pay as you play deal. Experienced and very likely totally cost free. **

Probably get 5 minutes out of him if lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:27:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Owen Hargreaves on a pay as you play deal. Experienced and very likely totally cost free. **

Probably get 5 minutes out of him if lucky.

Thought of that. Play 5 in midfield. 3 to actually play, plus Hutton carrying Hargreaves around on his shoulders telling them what to do.. Jobs a good 'un :0)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2013, 01:30:57 PM: My suggestion is to try and identify three or four experienced players approaching the end of their Premiership careers - get them on loan until the end of the season - pay them a decent whack but promise a huge bonus if we stay up - if they aren`t cup tied they will get a chance to have one last chance at silverware and a Wembley appearance. Who they are is the tough bit !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2013, 01:31:12 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Owen Hargreaves on a pay as you play deal. Experienced and very likely totally cost free. **

Hargreaves is a good shout if fit. Diame would be a good signing, as would Parker.

Dunne or Vlaar coming back into the team would be as good as many of the possible new signings we could get this window, but if we could get someone top quality like Lescott, Hangeland, or Samba in then it would make a huge difference.

Main issue is that anyone that would make an immediate difference is likely to want higher wages than unproven lower division youngsters, and our chairman seems steadfastly opposed to paying higher wages than that level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 13, 2013, 01:33:32 PM: It was notable that, while Bannan did well coming off the bench yesterday (looks so much more comfortable further forward, and Delph and Westwood were actually ok in the centre), Zog, Holman and Gabby were really not very good, provided minimal threat or defensive cover. I'm not convinced Ireland would have done much better either, and Benteke continued his dodgy form while Weimann went unprovided in the box. This Coutinho fella would presumably help a fair bit with this problem, which is utterly chronic. Wingy/style attacking midfielder and a left back are the greatest priorities for me, and then whether or not we can trust the fitness of Vlaar decides whether or not a centre-back or -midfielder would then be more important.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM: So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 02:13:58 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

Maybe you are right but lambert has said he will not be taking that option - stubborn I guess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 13, 2013, 02:14:29 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

Keep coming back to Hangeland - out of contract this summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM: NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 02:26:14 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

Probably would let Hutton loose in midfield. What's the worse that can happen? Whatever his many deficiences he came over as one of the more committed senior players last season. Stick him in as a Dogs of war type - win the ball or clobber the player, play it to someone good*. NRC doesn't offer that much more than Hutton imo so i don't think you can justify his wages, even though i thought he got rather a raw deal from the club. Warnock - who knows. Is he still a basket case?

*good as in better than Hutton, not actually "good"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: myf on January 13, 2013, 02:42:20 PM: Hutton in midfield. we're getting more and more desperate. he can't beat ppl he can't cross he can't defend. what is the point?

id put Warnock back in at left back though. question is would he be arsed ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 02:43:54 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

I've not seen anything that says for a fact that we have or have not got money to spend. All we can go by is that when we needed to spend money 2 years ago we did so on Bent. The problem might be that players do to want to come here or are leaving their options open until nearer the end of the window. Our requirements are clear though

Left back
Centre half
Central midfield
Wide attacker

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

Now is not the time for experimenting.

We also need to ship out shite like Ireland, Hutton etc.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 02:51:18 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

I've not seen anything that says for a fact that we have or have not got money to spend. All we can go by is that when we needed to spend money 2 years ago we did so on Bent. The problem might be that players do to want to come here or are leaving their options open until nearer the end of the window. Our requirements are clear though

Left back
Centre half
Central midfield
Wide attacker

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

Now is not the time for experimenting.

We also need to ship out shite like Ireland, Hutton etc.....

thats about 10m in fee's and more in wages. Sorry, but its not going to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 03:02:44 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 02:43:54 PM

I've not seen anything that says for a fact that we have or have not got money to spend. All we can go by is that when we needed to spend money 2 years ago we did so on Bent. The problem might be that players do to want to come here or are leaving their options open until nearer the end of the window. Our requirements are clear though

Left back
Centre half
Central midfield
Wide attacker

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

Now is not the time for experimenting.

We also need to ship out shite like Ireland, Hutton etc.....

thats about 10m in fee's and more in wages. Sorry, but its not going to happen.
[/quote]

How come you know that we won't spend that much or is it just your opinion?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:03:42 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 13, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
So are we actually looking for two or three players where a fee will not be involved. It seems that way.

1. Warnock can do left back or midfield
2. Hutton can do opposition players
3.NRC

and better suggestions?

I've not seen anything that says for a fact that we have or have not got money to spend. All we can go by is that when we needed to spend money 2 years ago we did so on Bent. The problem might be that players do to want to come here or are leaving their options open until nearer the end of the window. Our requirements are clear though

Left back
Centre half
Central midfield
Wide attacker

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

Now is not the time for experimenting.

We also need to ship out shite like Ireland, Hutton etc.....

There may be limited funds but when questioned lambert said £6m was more than he could afford to spend on a player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 13, 2013, 03:11:14 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 13, 2013, 12:43:52 PM
We are all repeating the same mantra that we need to look at bringing in experience in this window but there seems to be plenty of moaning both on here and on the radio phone-ins without coming up with suggestions. Given that consensus seems to be saying that we need a LB CB and Centre Mid general as a minimum my challenge is for any future posters on this thread to provide three names.

All very well, but the highly paid staff at Villa should have the better knowledge of players than us. It's for them to deliver.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 03:11:25 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
[quote author=john2710 link=topic=47939.msg2228157#msg2228157

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

There may be limited funds but when questioned lambert said £6m was more than he could afford to spend on a player.
[/quote]

I've not seen any quotes from Lambert on how much he can / cannot spend.

None of those players would cost £6m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:13:33 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:03:42 PM
[quote author=john2710 link=topic=47939.msg2228157#msg2228157

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

There may be limited funds but when questioned lambert said £6m was more than he could afford to spend on a player.

I've not seen any quotes from Lambert on how much he can / cannot spend.

None of those players would cost £6m.

[/quote]

Was Friday, I think it was quoted in yesterday's press and commented on here yesterday morning at length.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 03:18:44 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 13, 2013, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: john2710 on January 13, 2013, 02:43:54 PM

I've not seen anything that says for a fact that we have or have not got money to spend. All we can go by is that when we needed to spend money 2 years ago we did so on Bent. The problem might be that players do to want to come here or are leaving their options open until nearer the end of the window. Our requirements are clear though

Left back
Centre half
Central midfield
Wide attacker

We are not looking for world beaters, just players capable of providing leadership or Premiership quality. Players like Craig Gardner, Gallas, Olson, Heitinga, Sinclair, Simpson

Now is not the time for experimenting.

We also need to ship out shite like Ireland, Hutton etc.....

thats about 10m in fee's and more in wages. Sorry, but its not going to happen.

How come you know that we won't spend that much or is it just your opinion?
[/quote]

way i read it we haven't got 6m to spend, let alone 6m on one player but you're right it is my opinion/interpretation of Lambert's remarks. I hope you're right and i'm wrong if that's any consolation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:21:11 PM: Here is the interview and quotes that you missed john 2710 to which me and greg were referring-

PAUL Lambert admits the Villa Park faithful are in dreamland if they expect expensive, proven Premier League signings like Scott Parker and Joleon Lescott this month.

As Villa prepare for today’s crunch survival clash at home to relegation rivals Southampton, Lambert insists he is striving to bolster his struggling young squad.

He is particularly looking to strengthen central midfield and central defence to preserve Villa’s Premier League status and keep their Wembley cup dreams alive.

But he revealed there will not be enough money to bring in a £6 million player and admits the notion of recruiting names like Parker and Lescott is fanciful.

It means there will be no marquee Darren Bent-style signings riding to the rescue like two years ago.

Amidst questions about his transfer plans for the current window, Lambert was asked: “When fans say things like ‘we need Joleon Lescott, we need Scott Parker’, are they in dreamland?”

To which the Villa boss replied: “Yes, money, I think that’s the reality of it. We can’t do it.”

Lambert was also pressed on how much transfer cash he would be given and ruled out the prospect of spending more than £6 million on a player.

“Yes, it’s probably fair to say we’ve not got that, so you have to box clever,” he said. “A lot of things get dominated by finance.”

Chairman Randy Lerner backed Lambert with more than £20 million for a summer recruitment drive when he brought in seven of his own players – Karim El Ahmadi, Matthew Lowton, Ron Vlaar, Joe Bennett, Jordan Bowery, Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke – while Brett Holman also arrived, having been recruited by the previous managerial regime.

Villa’s stuttering Premier League season so far has put them in a precarious position in the top flight table, but despite the risk of relegation, the claret and blues retain faith in their vision of investing in youth, which they are adamant is in the long-term interests of the club beyond this campaign.

With the Capital One Cup door to Wembley still slightly ajar and experienced players returning from injury, they are refusing to panic-spend their way out of trouble. However, it seems a risky strategy as the club would stand to lose much, much more if this season’s league results pattern continues between now and May and they are demoted to the Championship.

There is not a good time to miss out on the Premier League pots of gold, but this summer would be worse than ever with new TV deals generating a bumper windfall which guarantees every club at least £60 million revenue in 2013-14.

One way of Lambert generating transfer funds would be to cash in on unwanted players including Alan Hutton and Stephen Warnock, while it is also understood Villa would listen to offers for other senior stars.

But the claret and blues have not received enquiries about any players, with Lambert saying: “You can’t do anything if the phone doesn’t go.

“It’s not something where you pick up the phone to someone and say he’s for sale or he’s for sale. You don’t do that. If a phone call comes in then you deal with it.”

Lambert admitted central defence and central midfield was where he was looking to strengthen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 03:25:52 PM: Eastie we've already seen that interview and dissected most of the quotes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:29:27 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 03:25:52 PM
Eastie we've already seen that interview and dissected most of the quotes.

See above, john2710 had not seen or heard anything of it and was asking of it .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2013, 03:31:02 PM: The only official number that will matter is that on Jan 31st. Until then every word that the manager speaks, or the press reports about what we can or cannot spend should not be taken at face value. The press simply don't know. Lambert isn't going to give it away. If we haven't strengthened then it will speak volumes for where the club is and apparently where it will be heading.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 03:34:41 PM: Ah fair enough, apologies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 03:35:01 PM: Every time I think about the possibility of not making the signings we need, my stomach genuinely starts to churn, and I feel sick.

That's what football does to you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 03:37:49 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 03:35:01 PM
Every time I think about the possibility of not making the signings we need, my stomach genuinely starts to churn, and I feel sick.

That's what football does to you.

Yeah it's painful that we appear to have the most clueless and shortsighted board in the league. If they can't see investment in January to save us will result in us getting more money come next season, then I despair and they have to be complete morons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 03:39:34 PM: Whoever we do or don't sign I hope yesterday's defeat is not the difference between us and saints at the end of the season.

We would have opened a 6 point gap had we won and its a shame we have not brought players in early January as we are dropping points waiting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 13, 2013, 03:59:16 PM: This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.

http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html

You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2013, 03:59:55 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
My suggestion is to try and identify three or four experienced players approaching the end of their Premiership careers - get them on loan until the end of the season - pay them a decent whack but promise a huge bonus if we stay up - if they aren`t cup tied they will get a chance to have one last chance at silverware and a Wembley appearance. Who they are is the tough bit !

Given Randy's apparent reluctance to buy experienced players on longer contracts, this is precisely what we should be looking to do. Lescott for instance may cost a couple of million in wages until the end of the season but he's exactly what we need in the middle of our defence. The fact that he's a Villa fan should guarantee he'll play with honour and commitment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 04:04:40 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 13, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
The only official number that will matter is that on Jan 31st. Until then every word that the manager speaks, or the press reports about what we can or cannot spend should not be taken at face value. The press simply don't know. Lambert isn't going to give it away. If we haven't strengthened then it will speak volumes for where the club is and apparently where it will be heading.

Problem with that is we had 3 and now 2 extremely important league games before that date. We've wasted one, and the players need to be in now and not at the end of the month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2013, 04:12:07 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 13, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.

http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html

You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick

Yes a good article but he lost it for me when suggested playing Given ahead of Guzan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM: Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: geeeenius1971 on January 13, 2013, 04:32:44 PM: If we do manage to stay up this season what the hell are we going to do next summer? will there be money available or are we in for a repeat of this season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2013, 04:34:59 PM: I would say at this stage that is the least of our worries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 13, 2013, 04:41:40 PM: Quote from: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.

Not ideal, I agree, but give his financial restraints may be he'll get lucky. The one thing he must not do is to dip into the lower English leagues again, that would just compound the problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2013, 04:46:35 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2013, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
My suggestion is to try and identify three or four experienced players approaching the end of their Premiership careers - get them on loan until the end of the season - pay them a decent whack but promise a huge bonus if we stay up - if they aren`t cup tied they will get a chance to have one last chance at silverware and a Wembley appearance. Who they are is the tough bit !

Given Randy's apparent reluctance to buy experienced players on longer contracts, this is precisely what we should be looking to do. Lescott for instance may cost a couple of million in wages until the end of the season but he's exactly what we need in the middle of our defence. The fact that he's a Villa fan should guarantee he'll play with honour and commitment.

You must be in dreamland, Dick.

By the way, did I ever thank you for flattening Beelzebub that time?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 13, 2013, 04:51:39 PM: Quote from: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.
Quote from: levico on January 13, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.

Not ideal, I agree, but give his financial restraints may be he'll get lucky. The one thing he must not do is to dip into the lower English leagues again, that would just compound the problem.

Also not ideal when your Head of European Scouting quits to be the assistant coach of some small tean in Germany.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2013, 04:52:33 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on January 13, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2013, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
My suggestion is to try and identify three or four experienced players approaching the end of their Premiership careers - get them on loan until the end of the season - pay them a decent whack but promise a huge bonus if we stay up - if they aren`t cup tied they will get a chance to have one last chance at silverware and a Wembley appearance. Who they are is the tough bit !

Given Randy's apparent reluctance to buy experienced players on longer contracts, this is precisely what we should be looking to do. Lescott for instance may cost a couple of million in wages until the end of the season but he's exactly what we need in the middle of our defence. The fact that he's a Villa fan should guarantee he'll play with honour and commitment.

You must be in dreamland, Dick.

By the way, did I ever thank you for flattening Beelzebub that time?

It was my pleasure.

My point was if an alleged big businessman doesn't see that paying top wages to two very short term top loanees would keep this team in the Premier League and subsequently be recouped by a huge cut from the new tv deal he's a fool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2013, 04:55:58 PM: Even if we just got Lescott in on loan to partner Vlaar it would allow us to switch Clark to midfield to provide the strength needed in front of the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 13, 2013, 05:18:58 PM: Players we could get on loan:

Huddlestone
Rosicky
Malouda
Palacios
Upson

Not saying they're great, just that they don't get games at their clubs so could be got until the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 06:03:14 PM: Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 13, 2013, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.
Quote from: levico on January 13, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: Mister E on January 13, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Lambert must be looking to strengthen. I suspect it'll be from the continent; whcih means they'll have a 'running in' period. Not ideal at all.

Not ideal, I agree, but give his financial restraints may be he'll get lucky. The one thing he must not do is to dip into the lower English leagues again, that would just compound the problem.

Also not ideal when your Head of European Scouting quits to be the assistant coach of some small tean in Germany.

Who wants to be a scout for a club with no money?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 13, 2013, 06:09:57 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.

Did you not realise there is only one defensive midfielder in the whole world according to some lot on here?

Anyway, he's pulling up trees at Ispwich...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:19:16 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 13, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.

Did you not realise there is only one defensive midfielder in the whole world according to some lot on here?

Anyway, he's pulling up trees at Ispwich...

Because that's what we need.. Smart comments like that.

Facts are, we are shit and NRC is an improvement on nothing, yes nothing, because that's what we have in midfield, nothing, especially defensively.

Hopefully we will sign someone better, because there are loads of better players out there, but we are desperate and need players now.

NRC is available, and is better than nothing, fact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 06:24:59 PM: Better than nothing, but he's going to cost, unless he's wage-free.

Anyway, that's a nonsense argument. Sticking me or you there would be "better than nothing"' in the literal sense.

He doesn't have to be better than nothing, he has to be better than what we already have.

I love the way some of us have decided he's the answer. He's a player who really sums up the woeful financial mismanagement of this club. He was utterly shit when he was here, and there's a reason why he is being released by the mighty Ipswich.

It's not as if we haven't had a recent reminder of how gash he is. He spent most of the other afternoon getting bypassed by the very same shit midfield you think he'll improve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 13, 2013, 06:25:25 PM: Palacios would be worth looking at imo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 06:29:46 PM: Quote from: Nastylee on January 13, 2013, 06:25:25 PM
Palacios would be worth looking at imo
Last I heard uncle Harry was bigging him up and expressing an interest "he's a lovely lad, I took him from Wigan, yeh we may be able to do something , Tony's a very good mate of mine "
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2013, 06:31:36 PM: Palacios is worth getting on loan.

Reo Coker is worth a 6 month deal with a 12 month extension if we stay up. He was immense for 6 months under Houllier/ Gmac and instrumental in our survival.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:45:33 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
Better than nothing, but he's going to cost, unless he's wage-free.

Anyway, that's a nonsense argument. Sticking me or you there would be "better than nothing"' in the literal sense.

He doesn't have to be better than nothing, he has to be better than what we already have.

I love the way some of us have decided he's the answer. He's a player who really sums up the woeful financial mismanagement of this club. He was utterly shit when he was here, and there's a reason why he is being released by the mighty Ipswich.

It's not as if we haven't had a recent reminder of how gash he is. He spent most of the other afternoon getting bypassed by the very same shit midfield you think he'll improve.

He is not the answer to all our worries, but Lambert won't play Warnock, won't play Clark in midfield and we seem to be absolutely skint.

I don't care how much he costs, if he can make any kind of difference, no matter how small it may be.

People remember how bad he was, but also forget some of his outstanding performances like our 3-1 win at anfield as an example.

If we don't sign a midfielder before the baggies game, it's not acceptable
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 13, 2013, 06:53:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 13, 2013, 06:31:36 PM
Palacios is worth getting on loan.

Reo Coker is worth a 6 month deal with a 12 month extension if we stay up. He was immense for 6 months under Houllier/ Gmac and instrumental in our survival.

On that form maybe, but having watched him lately he seems a shadow of the player he was 2 years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2013, 07:04:53 PM: No to NRC. There's a reason why he's playing for Ipswich and not in the Premiership for someone like Reading or Southampton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 07:10:49 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 13, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.

Did you not realise there is only one defensive midfielder in the whole world according to some lot on here?

Anyway, he's pulling up trees at Ispwich...

Because that's what we need.. Smart comments like that.

Facts are, we are shit and NRC is an improvement on nothing, yes nothing, because that's what we have in midfield, nothing, especially defensively.

Hopefully we will sign someone better, because there are loads of better players out there, but we are desperate and need players now.

NRC is available, and is better than nothing, fact.

It's a 'smart' comment because I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of reading that we 'need' to sign a player who wasn't good enough when he was with us, and has been a sack of shit for the two clubs he's had since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 13, 2013, 07:26:34 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 13, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.

Did you not realise there is only one defensive midfielder in the whole world according to some lot on here?

Anyway, he's pulling up trees at Ispwich...

Because that's what we need.. Smart comments like that.

Facts are, we are shit and NRC is an improvement on nothing, yes nothing, because that's what we have in midfield, nothing, especially defensively.

Hopefully we will sign someone better, because there are loads of better players out there, but we are desperate and need players now.

NRC is available, and is better than nothing, fact.

It's a 'smart' comment because I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of reading that we 'need' to sign a player who wasn't good enough when he was with us, and has been a sack of shit for the two clubs he's had since.
Agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 07:32:10 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
Better than nothing, but he's going to cost, unless he's wage-free.

Anyway, that's a nonsense argument. Sticking me or you there would be "better than nothing"' in the literal sense.

He doesn't have to be better than nothing, he has to be better than what we already have.

I love the way some of us have decided he's the answer. He's a player who really sums up the woeful financial mismanagement of this club. He was utterly shit when he was here, and there's a reason why he is being released by the mighty Ipswich.

It's not as if we haven't had a recent reminder of how gash he is. He spent most of the other afternoon getting bypassed by the very same shit midfield you think he'll improve.

He is not the answer to all our worries, but Lambert won't play Warnock, won't play Clark in midfield and we seem to be absolutely skint.

I don't care how much he costs, if he can make any kind of difference, no matter how small it may be.

People remember how bad he was, but also forget some of his outstanding performances like our 3-1 win at anfield as an example.

If we don't sign a midfielder before the baggies game, it's not acceptable

I agree we need a midfielder, but you're avoiding the point that he needs to be better than what we have. And he isn't.

I would hardly describe his performance at Anfield as "outstanding". And what's more, if the best you can offer up is one match played five years ago, then really, he's not looking that much a player, is he?

If NRC had never played for Villa, would you be calling for us to get him in now?

No, of course you wouldn't, and that says it all, really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2013, 07:33:27 PM: quite indicative the last time our midfield held there own was against Nigel <I should be playing in Spain> Reocoker
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 13, 2013, 07:36:37 PM: Was cooker not in the team last week that made Delph look very good? No thanks NRC was shit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 13, 2013, 07:39:52 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 13, 2013, 07:36:37 PM
Was cooker not in the team last week that made Delphi look very good?
Eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 13, 2013, 08:35:05 PM: I think what he is trying to say is that NRC was utterly anonymous against our rather pathetic midfield 8 days ago... He can wait for his super contract from Barca as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 13, 2013, 08:35:51 PM: I know we need experience but I am pretty sure Nigel Reo-Coker is not what we need.

He was a poor footballer two or three years ago and seems to have gone backwards

I have no idea who we should get in (or who we can afford) but would be pretty pissed off if we went for NRC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 13, 2013, 09:11:22 PM: NRC is not for us. Wasn't when he left and isn't now. We can do much, much better
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 13, 2013, 09:22:35 PM: If the answer is Nigel Reo-Coker, we'd need a computer the size of Deep Thought to figure out the exact nature of what must be a pretty bizarre question.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villain673 on January 13, 2013, 09:44:17 PM: 42
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2013, 09:51:43 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 13, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
If the answer is Nigel Reo-Coker, we'd need a computer the size of Deep Thought to figure out the exact nature of what must be a pretty bizarre question.

Rephrasing an old Tom Ross cliche Number 3342.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on January 13, 2013, 10:07:47 PM: I think if we sign Messi, if only on a loan deal until the end of the season we will score a few more goals than we are doing at the moment. Whadda you mean he wouldn't come to us.
We are Aston Villa after all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2013, 10:13:56 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 07:32:10 PM

I would hardly describe his performance at Anfield as "outstanding". And what's more, if the best you can offer up is one match played five years ago, then really, he's not looking that much a player, is he?

Only three years and five months ago. Which doesn't change your argument but I thought Nige was getting a pounding from you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 10:23:38 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 13, 2013, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2013, 07:32:10 PM

I would hardly describe his performance at Anfield as "outstanding". And what's more, if the best you can offer up is one match played five years ago, then really, he's not looking that much a player, is he?

Only three years and five months ago. Which doesn't change your argument but I thought Nige was getting a pounding from you.

Three years and five months, but it may as well be 35 years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2013, 11:26:23 PM: The papers seems fairly sure that yesterday has prompted some Doug like sofa digging, but won't sanction loans as not happy to pay wages of players at other clubs, which seems odd to me if you can get a player like Sinclair or Welbeck who would clearly add a lot to us on loan, or a Huddlestone that might work out great and then sign him long term.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2013, 11:31:09 PM: In the case of Huddlestone, Tottenham would want a £2m loan fee (maybe even more with the current circumstances). Which makes you wonder what other sorts of loan fees clubs would want. There's no way Man United would make Welbeck available and I thought because Sinclair had already played for Swansea and Citeh that the rules wouldn't allow it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 13, 2013, 11:42:13 PM: Obviously Randy still pissed over the Jenas fiasco ..however the other loan Keane prob kept us up !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 13, 2013, 11:54:41 PM: Fear not, Drama Queens:

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Villa need Lerner lifeline: Billionaire owner will foot the bill to ensure Premier League safety
By NEIL MOXLEY
PUBLISHED: 22:52 GMT, 13 January 2013 | UPDATED: 22:52 GMT, 13 January 2013
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Randy Lerner viewed the latest episode in Aston Villa's descent with growing worry, reluctantly admitting to himself that he will again be called upon to safeguard his club's Premier League status.
The American billionaire has a live feed of every Villa match beamed to him via satellite link and, within minutes of the final whistle, he swaps his thoughts with chief executive Paul Faulkner.
His verdict after watching yet another defeat was that 'doing nothing is not an option' after Rickie Lambert's penalty divided the teams during this desperate relegation dogfight.

Help: Lerner (right) is willing to spend to save Aston Villa from relegation
The message from across the Pond on Saturday night was that Lerner is ready and willing to foot the bill, should Villa boss Paul Lambert find the experienced centre-half and midfielder he desperately needs to add know-how to a side that is lacking direction and organisation.
There have to be limits. But there is now a realisation that the purse-strings will have to be relaxed a little more to avert a third brush with relegation.
Lerner, who purchased the club in 2005 for £65m, has pumped at least another £150m into Villa and most notably used his wealth to positive effect when signing Darren Bent in a £24m package two years ago.
That move paid off and the other key message from the hierarchy on Saturday evening was that the club would not panic over the managerial situation.

The decision-makers would be well within their rights to do so - Villa are now in desperate straits.
In the short-term, the statistics are damning. As are performances. And results.
In the medium-term they paint a picture of steady decline. It is little wonder to 30,000 regular visitors they are in such a mess.
In the last 38 games - a Premier League season - Villa have collected just 30 points.
They stayed up by the skin of their teeth last term. Alex McLeish was relegated with Birmingham City in 2010-11 having garnered one point more than Villa used to survive.

Current boss Lambert's grand plan is sensible in conception but is proving disastrous in execution.
The Scot keeps beating the drum, maintaining his belief that his club are close to mid-table safety. The fact is, Villa are closer to the bottom of the table. And QPR and Reading are picking up results.
Eight goals conceded without reply in three home defeats to Spurs, Wigan and Southampton have caused Lerner's worry.
And Lambert's repeated platitudes smack of the orchestra playing while the Titanic sinks.

Worried: Lambert's side have lost four of their last five league games
While the youth in Villa's ranks has been trumpeted - the average age of the back four was 22 - it has taken a few words from striker Gabby Agbonlahor to put it into perspective
'It's not like they are 16 or 17,' he said, 'people say they are young but that doesn't matter.'
It is the quality that counts. To this eye, Southampton defender Luke Shaw, 17, looks an England prospect already. Villa are coming up short.
As Southampton striker Rickie Lambert said: 'When we got promoted, we knew we didn't have much Premier League experience in the squad, only a couple who had played Premier League.
'We knew it was going to take us a while to get used to it. Now I feel we are getting used to it and improving every game.'
Villa aren't. They are stuck in reverse. And, once more, the club needs to call upon its' well-heeled American patron to shift them into gear. And quickly.

Moxley's normally pretty reliable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 14, 2013, 12:04:42 AM: Said all along that Lerner is not stupid enough not to back the manager the point is though that we cannot wait until the end of the month for decent additions. I support the manager but think he himself would recognise he overestimated the quality he had to work with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 12:05:12 AM: moxley ought to move into writing fiction if he hasn't already started. there is absolutely nothing there of any substance, unless he has some sort of vulcan type mind-meld with Lerner
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 14, 2013, 12:08:42 AM: Please Randy spend and keep this proud and great club where it belongs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 12:09:32 AM: Only the Guardian and Telegraph are reporting the same Greg. There has clearly been some communication from the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 14, 2013, 12:09:55 AM: Quote
His verdict after watching yet another defeat was that 'doing nothing is not an option' after Rickie Lambert's penalty divided the teams during this desperate relegation dogfight.

That sounds pretty specific, and it's generally how the club operates - leaks to the chosen few, but rarely direct quotes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 12:12:52 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 12:09:32 AM
Only the Guardian and Telegraph are reporting the same Greg. There has clearly been some communication from the club.

the fuckers should try talking to us then.

Sorry. man flu.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 12:16:10 AM: Who cares who reports what.. Lerner backs his managers the grief he gets is mad.. Im not blindly led he got it wrong with Houllier and McLeish but he has put his money in when needed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 14, 2013, 12:16:43 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 14, 2013, 12:09:55 AM
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His verdict after watching yet another defeat was that 'doing nothing is not an option' after Rickie Lambert's penalty divided the teams during this desperate relegation dogfight.

That sounds pretty specific, and it's generally how the club operates - leaks to the chosen few, but rarely direct quotes.

Agreed. As an aside, their Lambert said that, after how we played second half, that 'we should stay up easily'. Now, it's very easy to be magnanimous in victory, but the use of the word 'easily' implies something about the quality of those players that it might be harder to see from inside our panic bubble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 14, 2013, 03:38:57 AM: So, judging by today's media reporting they've been briefed Lambert goes nowhere and he'll be backed with funds this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Californian Villain on January 14, 2013, 05:16:42 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 14, 2013, 03:38:57 AM
So, judging by today's media reporting they've been briefed Lambert goes nowhere and he'll be backed with funds this window.

Looks like it. Let's see who he can attract to the club.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 14, 2013, 05:53:05 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 14, 2013, 03:38:57 AM
So, judging by today's media reporting they've been briefed Lambert goes nowhere and he'll be backed with funds this window.

I bloody hope so. It needs to be fast though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2013, 06:33:08 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 14, 2013, 05:53:05 AM
Quote from: Matt C on January 14, 2013, 03:38:57 AM
So, judging by today's media reporting they've been briefed Lambert goes nowhere and he'll be backed with funds this window.

I bloody hope so. It needs to be fast though.

If it's taken anybody at the club until Jan 12th to see that something needs doing then they can't have watched the last month of football.

Anyway, get it done and we have half a chance of staying up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 14, 2013, 06:46:28 AM: Money was always there many wasted pages talking about nothing when we could have spent our time speculating on the top names who won't sign for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 14, 2013, 07:17:44 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 13, 2013, 11:54:41 PM
Fear not, Drama Queens:

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Villa need Lerner lifeline: Billionaire owner will foot the bill to ensure Premier League safety
By NEIL MOXLEY
PUBLISHED: 22:52 GMT, 13 January 2013 | UPDATED: 22:52 GMT, 13 January 2013
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Randy Lerner viewed the latest episode in Aston Villa's descent with growing worry, reluctantly admitting to himself that he will again be called upon to safeguard his club's Premier League status.
The American billionaire has a live feed of every Villa match beamed to him via satellite link and, within minutes of the final whistle, he swaps his thoughts with chief executive Paul Faulkner.
His verdict after watching yet another defeat was that 'doing nothing is not an option' after Rickie Lambert's penalty divided the teams during this desperate relegation dogfight.

Help: Lerner (right) is willing to spend to save Aston Villa from relegation
The message from across the Pond on Saturday night was that Lerner is ready and willing to foot the bill, should Villa boss Paul Lambert find the experienced centre-half and midfielder he desperately needs to add know-how to a side that is lacking direction and organisation.
There have to be limits. But there is now a realisation that the purse-strings will have to be relaxed a little more to avert a third brush with relegation.
Lerner, who purchased the club in 2005 for £65m, has pumped at least another £150m into Villa and most notably used his wealth to positive effect when signing Darren Bent in a £24m package two years ago.
That move paid off and the other key message from the hierarchy on Saturday evening was that the club would not panic over the managerial situation.

The decision-makers would be well within their rights to do so - Villa are now in desperate straits.
In the short-term, the statistics are damning. As are performances. And results.
In the medium-term they paint a picture of steady decline. It is little wonder to 30,000 regular visitors they are in such a mess.
In the last 38 games - a Premier League season - Villa have collected just 30 points.
They stayed up by the skin of their teeth last term. Alex McLeish was relegated with Birmingham City in 2010-11 having garnered one point more than Villa used to survive.

Current boss Lambert's grand plan is sensible in conception but is proving disastrous in execution.
The Scot keeps beating the drum, maintaining his belief that his club are close to mid-table safety. The fact is, Villa are closer to the bottom of the table. And QPR and Reading are picking up results.
Eight goals conceded without reply in three home defeats to Spurs, Wigan and Southampton have caused Lerner's worry.
And Lambert's repeated platitudes smack of the orchestra playing while the Titanic sinks.

Worried: Lambert's side have lost four of their last five league games
While the youth in Villa's ranks has been trumpeted - the average age of the back four was 22 - it has taken a few words from striker Gabby Agbonlahor to put it into perspective
'It's not like they are 16 or 17,' he said, 'people say they are young but that doesn't matter.'
It is the quality that counts. To this eye, Southampton defender Luke Shaw, 17, looks an England prospect already. Villa are coming up short.
As Southampton striker Rickie Lambert said: 'When we got promoted, we knew we didn't have much Premier League experience in the squad, only a couple who had played Premier League.
'We knew it was going to take us a while to get used to it. Now I feel we are getting used to it and improving every game.'
Villa aren't. They are stuck in reverse. And, once more, the club needs to call upon its' well-heeled American patron to shift them into gear. And quickly.

Moxley's normally pretty reliable.

Lambert must be happy about that leak, now every club we're gonna buy players from just upped their asking prices by 1-2 million.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2013, 07:35:05 AM: That Moxley piece was just a PR puff designed to deflect some of the well deserved venom of the fans aimed at the owner and the manager.

As for Lerner, in the immortal words of that daughter of Solihull Mandy Rice Davies -= he would say that wouldn't he?

There is no scrap of evidence that we have identified the players that we need, that they are willing to come to a club which the owner and successive managers have put in such a mess, that the reduction of the wages bill and the capping of wages which has been the club mantra for the last three seasons is to be abandoned or simply selectively breached.

I do not buy into all this bullshit about the owner getting a live feed of all the games and being on the phone to the club after every game. That is not football club hands on ownership. That is playing with toys.

There are three in this shitty bed. The owner, the manager and the fans. Who is going to do the pain? The fans are. We are the ones going to work this morning to face yet another day of ridicule and mockery. We are the ones counting how much money we have left to get through the week after shelling out to see another disgraceful apology of a performance by one of the worst Aston Villa sides in living memory.

The owner will play with his toys and release pre-digested platitudes like Nero tuning his fiddle. The manager? Now there's hard one to work out. Who is he going to telephone this morning? What enquiries is he going to make? Is he going to write an e mail to the owner saying the wage bill reduction has to be history? None of these. He is a latter day Mr Micawber who is going to sit in his office until the window closes hoping that something turns up.

Why am I so hard on the manager? Because I am a realist and I live in the real world not in the world of PR puffs by the likes of Moxley.

Lambert will look after Lambert. His best career path, and he knows it, it to follow in the footsteps of O'Neill and McLeish. He sits tight in his office until the window closes having gone through the motions of this or that enquiry about this or that loan deal or signing. Nothing of any substance will happen, we will carry on being battered and we will be relegated.

Lerner will see that one of his toys is broken and discard it. Lambert will await the arrival of whoever picks up the broken toy and move on with the proven copper bottomed excuse that Villa did not back him adequately and their failure was not his fault, just like O'Neill and just like McLeish.

Faulkner will breath a huge sigh of relief, trouser a golden handshake and go back into credit card banking.

We, the fans will do the pain. Prepare yourselves for it. It is coming.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 07:49:06 AM: Nursey has just said on TS that the ammount of money provided will depend on whether we are able to shift the high earners and it's very hard to believe that this isn't true.
If it wasn't why have players not been identified before the window opened and in the team now,especially given the dire circumstances we are in.The type of player we need does not fit into Randys payscale I'm afraid
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2013, 08:08:29 AM: As I said, Mr Micawber waiting for something to turn up in the form of buyers for the overpaid deadwood accumulated by previous managers. The perfect do nothing cop out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM: I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:15:58 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 14, 2013, 08:08:29 AM
As I said, Mr Micawber waiting for something to turn up in the form of buyers for the overpaid deadwood accumulated by previous managers. The perfect do nothing cop out.
Nobody would have them on loan,never mind buy them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 14, 2013, 08:41:05 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

Dunne and Bent haven't been that bad but Ireland, Hutton and Warnock are atrocious. Bent and Dunne have had bad luck with injuries this season and Bent haven't gotten a good run of games because of that.

Although, if we can get rid of Dunne, we could get two players with his salary in, same with Ireland and Bent salaries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 08:51:38 AM: If that report were true I can't quite see why it would take Lerner until Saturday to decide doing nothing is not an option, we have known for months where the problems lie and what needs doing.

I just hope that lambert goes for experienced premier players this time and not more lower league ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 14, 2013, 08:53:42 AM: Great comments again Brian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 14, 2013, 08:53:53 AM: Bents struggled for injuries for a year or two with us now. That may be part of the reason Lambert doesn't fancy him. Bent originally lost his place under PL because of injury.

I don't buy Moxleys article. I never buy any article which apparently quotes Lerner, without really quoting him. The guy's deathly silent. We have no idea what he's thinking or what his logic is and Moxley certainly doesn't. Nor Nursey.

I'll look at the hard facts for now, and that is. Jan 14th- signings: None.
We don't look remotely close either. What the reason is, who knows but we should have had 1-2 in by now, because we're desperately short on quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 14, 2013, 08:54:03 AM: Given our desperate, desperate position, you'd think that two weeks into the transfer window, we'd have lined up some experienced players to bring in. But no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 08:54:45 AM: Quote from: OCD on January 13, 2013, 11:31:09 PM
In the case of Huddlestone, Tottenham would want a £2m loan fee (maybe even more with the current circumstances). Which makes you wonder what other sorts of loan fees clubs would want. There's no way Man United would make Welbeck available and I thought because Sinclair had already played for Swansea and Citeh that the rules wouldn't allow it?

Cannot play for more than 3 teams in a season , Sinclair would be an option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:56:50 AM: Quote from: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
Really ? Do you remember Houlliers season when he turned up about 2 stone overweight?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 14, 2013, 08:58:38 AM: Quote from: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
He and Collins caused problems when Houllier was here. Think there was drink involved. Someone will be able to recall better but Dunne's attitude has been brought into question here. His fitness has been a problem too, not just injuries, but he came back from pre-season in 2010, looking overweight. Houllier didn't think many of the squad were fit enough and clearly Dunne was one of the players most riled by this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:59:13 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 14, 2013, 08:54:03 AM
Given our desperate, desperate position, you'd think that two weeks into the transfer window, we'd have lined up some experienced players to bring in. But no.
That's because we've got to shift players before we can buy apparently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 08:59:51 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 12:09:32 AM
Only the Guardian and Telegraph are reporting the same Greg. There has clearly been some communication from the club.

Pat murphy also said similar last night , , so I think it's pretty likely the club have had some sort of contact with a few chosen journalists, of which I doubt nursey would be one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 09:03:43 AM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 14, 2013, 08:53:42 AM
Great comments again Brian.

Great post Brian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 09:09:10 AM: Yep top post from Brian. Think its all smoke and mirrors as well. Theoretically Lambert's got a budget of over 20m if he sells the likes Hutton, Warnock, Ireland, Bent etc.. but we know we can't shift them because of their wages. I reckon we've got about 5m plus whatever Lambert raises from sales so 5m. It will all pan out soon anyway. Either the likes of me will look stupid for doubting Lerner, or there's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 09:14:29 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 09:09:10 AM
Yep top post from Brian. Think its all smoke and mirrors as well. Theoretically Lambert's got a budget of over 20m if he sells the likes Hutton, Warnock, Ireland, Bent etc.. but we know we can't shift them because of their wages. I reckon we've got about 5m plus whatever Lambert raises from sales so 5m. It will all pan out soon anyway. Either the likes of me will look stupid for doubting Lerner, or there's going to be a lot of disappointed people on here.

Sent you a pm Greg, regarding a pm received from pelty yesterday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 09:15:53 AM: I'm hoping it's not, but I think it might be too late. It would take seriously quality players to address this slide now, and we've been beaten at home by two relegation rivals. After more mockery at work today, I'm fucking sick of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 09:18:56 AM: The thing is while we've waited for signings we've dropped vital points and that could be the defeat that come may is the difference between staying up or going down, we could have been 6 points clear but now we are in the drop zone . Players should have been signed by now given the state of our squad.

Bloody hell my car is covered in snow -yuk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 09:26:03 AM: The only real option left to Randy now is to spend. It doesnt make sense to "protect the finances of this club" if the outcome is relegation - a financial disaster.
Get the players in that we need to stay up. Take the hit. If you can sell some players, great, if not, tough shit. There's no more time or room to manoeuvre.

Then I'm sorry to say but I suggest he looks to move the club on in the summer to somebody else if possible. Keep a stake maybe.
Or at the very least implement a complete leadership change in the boardroom.
Without football people in the upper echelons the club are looking like rank amateurs and its been the case for a while now.
So in times like this we are reactionary and indecisive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 09:28:52 AM: We are complete reactionary and have been for some time, unfortunately short of something remarkable it may be too late.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 09:31:32 AM: I dont believe we are "doomed" at all. Not yet anyway.
So there's still a huge impact a few good players can have, as well as the return of Vlaar etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 14, 2013, 09:33:35 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 14, 2013, 08:08:29 AM
As I said, Mr Micawber waiting for something to turn up in the form of buyers for the overpaid deadwood accumulated by previous managers. The perfect do nothing cop out.

Brian are you saying Darren Bent is 'overpaid deadwood' because if you are there are many who would disagree with you.

Darren Bent is a consistent Premier League goalscorer, its in the record books.

For whatever reason the current manager doesnt appear to rate him or does not wish to play to his strengths that is putting a piece of leather in the net which by the way wins games if the defence does its job which ours patently cannot.

I agree with you in many respects but think we will have two very cheap signings come in to help out unless Lerner shocks us with a sudden input of finance which I doubt .

Plenty of time left to get out of this mess but I certainly have no confidence in the Chairman, P.Faulkner and now much as I hate to say it Paul Lambert the manager I wanted.

Everything is in decline it seems to me.

Obviously in time something will happen but when it does it may be far far too late.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 09:34:06 AM: Problem is we've got into a cycle of defeat and feeling hard done by. I hope Lambert has a bit more that 'we go again' when it comes to addressing the team. It's going to take serious quality and a mentality change to turn this around. The only saving grace is we're not loads of points behind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 09:39:18 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 09:34:06 AM
Problem is we've got into a cycle of defeat and feeling hard done by. I hope Lambert has a bit more that 'we go again' when it comes to addressing the team. It's going to take serious quality and a mentality change to turn this around. The only saving grace is we're not loads of points behind.

I really think a win against bradford and Wembley would see a huge lift and we could take confidence and go on a run from there but if we lose it could be an enormous blow from which we may not recover - so much at stake on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 14, 2013, 09:46:15 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Quote from: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
Really ? Do you remember Houlliers season when he turned up about 2 stone overweight?

He was disgrace at the start of that season. Never forget the home game v Bolton where he looked and played like a whale. Was one of our best players when he came back into the side around Xmas time and turned things around.

Injured a lot last season too. I dont think Dunne has much time left as a professional footballer. He didnt look after himself when he was younger (honey monster), now has suffered about 12 months of injuries and is 33. Id be surprised if he plays any more than one more season with a club after Villa.

Stephen Ireland is finished as a top level player. Considering the wages we pay him, the best we can expect is that he can on loan and we pay some of the wages. He will leave on a free to go play in Australia or Qatar when his contract runs out.

Not happening for Nzogbia at all at the club. Might find someone to take him off our hands but we are talking about about a 6m hit.

Given has suffered a run of injuries over the last few years and doesnt seem to have put the Euros debacle behind him. To be honest Im getting less convinced by Guzan of late so might see Given back in goal soon enough.

Gabby - 5m or so is all we can expect for him. Swap deal for Gardner is our only play with him I feel.

Warnock off at the end of the season, will bleed the club dry for the last few months. McLeish didnt even want to keep Hutton on at Forest. Makoun wont play for the club again.

Bent is injured again and we would be mental to sell him before the summer to another side in the relegation dogfight anyway.

We will do very well to shift even one of the big earners before the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 09:49:59 AM: Quote from: brontebilly on January 14, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Quote from: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
Really ? Do you remember Houlliers season when he turned up about 2 stone overweight?

He was disgrace at the start of that season. Never forget the home game v Bolton where he looked and played like a whale. Was one of our best players when he came back into the side around Xmas time and turned things around.

Injured a lot last season too. I dont think Dunne has much time left as a professional footballer. He didnt look after himself when he was younger (honey monster), now has suffered about 12 months of injuries and is 33. Id be surprised if he plays any more than one more season with a club after Villa.

Stephen Ireland is finished as a top level player. Considering the wages we pay him, the best we can expect is that he can on loan and we pay some of the wages. He will leave on a free to go play in Australia or Qatar when his contract runs out.

Not happening for Nzogbia at all at the club. Might find someone to take him off our hands but we are talking about about a 6m hit.

Given has suffered a run of injuries over the last few years and doesnt seem to have put the Euros debacle behind him. To be honest Im getting less convinced by Guzan of late so might see Given back in goal soon enough.

Gabby - 5m or so is all we can expect for him. Swap deal for Gardner is our only play with him I feel.

Warnock off at the end of the season, will bleed the club dry for the last few months. McLeish didnt even want to keep Hutton on at Forest. Makoun wont play for the club again.

Bent is injured again and we would be mental to sell him before the summer to another side in the relegation dogfight anyway.

We will do very well to shift even one of the big earners before the summer.

Gabby for Gardner may be a possibility.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 14, 2013, 10:05:43 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 14, 2013, 07:35:05 AM
Lerner will see that one of his toys is broken and discard it. Lambert will await the arrival of whoever picks up the broken toy and move on with the proven copper bottomed excuse that Villa did not back him adequately and their failure was not his fault, just like O'Neill and just like McLeish.

Faulkner will breath a huge sigh of relief, trouser a golden handshake and go back into credit card banking.

We, the fans will do the pain. Prepare yourselves for it. It is coming.
This IS the reality of modern day football. We the fans invest our lifetime into the Club. The owners play with their toys. The house, the cars, the holidays and dare I say a mistress here and there. What more...oh yes a football club in England. All to be discarded with something new and fresh in the future. For us we can not discard our love for the Club.
I hope, whatever happens this season, Lerner and Faulkner disappear off the face of this earth as far as we are concerned and we can get on with our Club with hopefully a more benevolent owner and a Chief Executive who understands football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 14, 2013, 10:39:06 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 14, 2013, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 14, 2013, 07:35:05 AM
Lerner will see that one of his toys is broken and discard it. Lambert will await the arrival of whoever picks up the broken toy and move on with the proven copper bottomed excuse that Villa did not back him adequately and their failure was not his fault, just like O'Neill and just like McLeish.

Faulkner will breath a huge sigh of relief, trouser a golden handshake and go back into credit card banking.

We, the fans will do the pain. Prepare yourselves for it. It is coming.
This IS the reality of modern day football. We the fans invest our lifetime into the Club. The owners play with their toys. The house, the cars, the holidays and dare I say a mistress here and there. What more...oh yes a football club in England. All to be discarded with something new and fresh in the future. For us we can not discard our love for the Club.
I hope, whatever happens this season, Lerner and Faulkner disappear off the face of this earth as far as we are concerned and we can get on with our Club with hopefully a more benevolent owner and a Chief Executive who understands football.

Yeah right - that's gonna happen
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 14, 2013, 10:42:07 AM: A very shit possibility Eastie, Do not want gardner back here, He's not good enough and I think he'd be boo'd from the start, No-ones going to forget the I'm a nose comments
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 14, 2013, 10:48:28 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 13, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 13, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 13, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 13, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
NRC in. Warnock back involved. Instantly a stronger team.

Lets get NRC back to save us, like he did for Bolton last season.

Did you not realise there is only one defensive midfielder in the whole world according to some lot on here?

Anyway, he's pulling up trees at Ispwich...

Because that's what we need.. Smart comments like that.

Facts are, we are shit and NRC is an improvement on nothing, yes nothing, because that's what we have in midfield, nothing, especially defensively.

Hopefully we will sign someone better, because there are loads of better players out there, but we are desperate and need players now.

NRC is available, and is better than nothing, fact.

So we should get in anyone who is better than nothing?

Or alternatively... Look for someone who is half decent?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 10:51:48 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 14, 2013, 10:42:07 AM
A very shit possibility Eastie, Do not want gardner back here, He's not good enough and I think he'd be boo'd from the start, No-ones going to forget the I'm a nose comments

I agree, not sure what difference getting rid of Gabby for Gardner would make.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 10:56:35 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 14, 2013, 10:42:07 AM
A very shit possibility Eastie, Do not want gardner back here, He's not good enough and I think he'd be boo'd from the start, No-ones going to forget the I'm a nose comments

I agree, not sure what difference getting rid of Gabby for Gardner would make.

For starters they don't play in the same position , Gardner would get into our current midfield I think whereas gabby is struggling to get into our team , Sunderland are the only ones I can think of who might take gabby because o Neill got him playing for him, if not a straight swap then cash which would be useful to spend elsewhere.

We are struggling to offload players and I'd far rather keep bent than gabby.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 11:07:38 AM: If anything we need to add to the squad rather than give players away in swap deals if we can help it though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM: NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:11:53 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
If anything we need to add to the squad rather than give players away in swap deals if we can help it though.

I think we have minimal funds though, so if he can raise some extra cash through sales it hopefully will mean bringing more in - I really don't think his is the time to be bringing players though who have no premier experience, we cannot afford settling in times , we need players who go straight into the side and hit th ground running.
Our future will probably be decided by who lambert brings in during the next 2 weeks- lets hope he gets it right for all our sakes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:12:40 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.

I think we need a couple of midfielders and another defender .
Defensive midfield I would like to see Clark alongside Westwood , that may see an improvement, and bring in another central defender.

Clark has been poor in centre defence and I think he would be a better player as a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 11:15:37 AM: So no signs of anything yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:15:46 AM: I'd accept NRC on a short term deal if nothing else was going to happen.

I can't escape the feeling that this season is similar to Houllier's where we tried to change the playing style and struggled, which was compounded by injuries. The injuries cleared up, we made some signings and things started to click. So I don't buy into this 'we're doomed' thought process. But for me to be confident what we need is some investment from Randy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 14, 2013, 11:16:42 AM: Well Mr Lerner, if you continue this wall of silence, I'll be silent come season-ticket renewal next season (likely to be Championship League)! Great PR, treating your customers with such ignorance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:17:38 AM: I notice breaking news that mon has swooped now for a 6ft 7 defender from Dubai or somewhere, funny how he now is signing a load of overseas players and yet when he he rarely ventured past Scotland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:18:24 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
I'd accept NRC on a short term deal if nothing else was going to happen.

I can't escape the feeling that this season is similar to Houllier's where we tried to change the playing style and struggled, which was compounded by injuries. The injuries cleared up, we made some signings and things started to click. So I don't buy into this 'we're doomed' thought process. But for me to be confident what we need is some investment from Randy.

NRC has left Ipswich apparently as they only offered him a 4 month deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:19:36 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
So no signs of anything yet?

Yes thick bloody snowflakes as big as ping pong balls !
Oh transfers you mean , erm no!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:20:12 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.

I think we need a couple of midfielders and another defender .
Defensive midfield I would like to see Clark alongside Westwood , that may see an improvement, and bring in another central defender.

Clark has been poor in centre defence and I think he would be a better player as a defensive midfielder.

I don't think Lambert will do it, but I'd be trying Clark at LB, once Vlaar is back in the side, to try and tighten things up. A could DCM infront of Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Clark would look a bit more solid to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 11:39:49 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.

I think we need a couple of midfielders and another defender .
Defensive midfield I would like to see Clark alongside Westwood , that may see an improvement, and bring in another central defender.

Clark has been poor in centre defence and I think he would be a better player as a defensive midfielder.

I don't think Lambert will do it, but I'd be trying Clark at LB, once Vlaar is back in the side, to try and tighten things up. A could DCM infront of Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Clark would look a bit more solid to me.
Me too. As for NRC on a free we have very little to lose
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 14, 2013, 12:00:25 PM: NRC would need to pay Aston Villa and me personally for me to even begin to contemplate wanting that turkey back..what have we come to, dear oh dear me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 14, 2013, 12:15:04 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
So no signs of anything yet?
There is no chance with all this snow about. The fax machine will be jammed straight away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on January 14, 2013, 12:15:25 PM: at least NRC has got a bit of fight and a bit of presence about him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 14, 2013, 12:17:41 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.

I think we need a couple of midfielders and another defender .
Defensive midfield I would like to see Clark alongside Westwood , that may see an improvement, and bring in another central defender.

Clark has been poor in centre defence and I think he would be a better player as a defensive midfielder.

I don't think Lambert will do it, but I'd be trying Clark at LB, once Vlaar is back in the side, to try and tighten things up. A could DCM infront of Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Clark would look a bit more solid to me.

Clark has been tried at left back before and let's just say it wasn't a success! He needs to play in the position Gareth Barry originally played a decade ago in a 5 man back line. Barry was able to play the ball out rather than hoofing it and developed into a world-class midfielder and still is. His performance for Citeh yesterday was brilliant.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 14, 2013, 12:20:54 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on January 14, 2013, 12:15:25 PM
at least NRC has got a bit of fight and a bit of presence about him.

Watching Ipswich last week I said their number 23 was running midfield and I was astounded when I saw who it was on the scoreboard. I had no idea he played for them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 12:35:05 PM: NRC - Is this the same player, that got a 5 / 10 in the paper for his performance in the papers

I have seen elephants control a football better than him

I am 48 years of age and if you want a headless chicken running around in midfield then Lambert might as well give me a chance, instead of signing NRC

There is a reason that Ipswich could not wait to get rid of him.....no what could that be....oh yes he is crap!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:38:06 PM: I had no idea he was running midfield.

Honestly, if we think turning to NRC is the best solution available we may as well just pack it up.
Henke is bound to have some solutions to our needs, we just need to go and get them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 14, 2013, 12:41:08 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
I had no idea he was running midfield.

Honestly, if we think turning to NRC is the best solution available we may as well just pack it up.
Henke is bound to have some solutions to our needs, we just need to go and get them.

Hasn't Henke left the club?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 12:42:20 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on January 14, 2013, 12:15:25 PM
at least NRC has got a bit of fight and a bit of presence about him.

Yeh, it must be inspiring for the other players that the player waving his arms furiously and screaming at them to pick it up is the one giving the ball away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 12:44:51 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
I had no idea he was running midfield.

Honestly, if we think turning to NRC is the best solution available we may as well just pack it up.
Henke is bound to have some solutions to our needs, we just need to go and get them.

Henke has left apparently , there's a thread on him .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:46:37 PM: He's leaving in a month for a coaching position but has already done enough scouting for us to use I would imagine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 14, 2013, 12:48:30 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
He's leaving in a month for a coaching position but has already done enough scouting for us to use I would imagine.

Has it been confirmed somewhere?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 12:49:47 PM: I've seen no confirmation, but we better replace him if it is true. If this club somehow survives this year, then quality scouting is our hope moving forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 12:51:55 PM: If Gary Hooper's leaving Celtic I would expect us to be in the running for him. In fact, I would expect us to get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 12:58:27 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 12:51:55 PM
If Gary Hooper's leaving Celtic I would expect us to be in the running for him. In fact, I would expect us to get him.
dont see a striker as a priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 14, 2013, 01:01:27 PM: Im not really expecting any signings of any consequence now. I think the club are sticking to the project, whilst hoping to stay up but preparing to go down. The wage bill remains the big issue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 01:02:14 PM: Albion have confirmed dorrans is for sale.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 01:02:19 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 14, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
He's leaving in a month for a coaching position but has already done enough scouting for us to use I would imagine.

Has it been confirmed somewhere?
Matt Kendrick confirmed it on Twitter
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 01:02:55 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 14, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
He's leaving in a month for a coaching position but has already done enough scouting for us to use I would imagine.

Has it been confirmed somewhere?

No, nowhere. It's just someone throwing it out on Twitter, but I suppose that is good enough these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 01:06:46 PM: @MatKendrick: Just to confirm, #avfc head of European scouting Michael Henke is set to leave for a coaching role at German club FC Ingolstadt next month
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 14, 2013, 01:09:48 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on January 14, 2013, 12:15:25 PM
at least NRC has got a bit of fight and a bit of presence about him.

Yes but he's a terrible footballer.

Sorry, but for the umpteenth time, why is the only "defensive" midfielder in existence a very average one who currently plies his trade in a poor Ipswich squad and also couldn't help to keep Bolton up?

Is it not possible that there may be tens of thousands of different footballers out there, a vast number of who, have greater ability than NRC (or Hitzelsperger for that matter...)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 01:10:22 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 01:06:46 PM
@MatKendrick: Just to confirm, #avfc head of European scouting Michael Henke is set to leave for a coaching role at German club FC Ingolstadt next month

That's more official than some random tweet I'll concede. And it isn't because we're shit at everything as is being suggested on the thread that was created. I assume if a role more suited to where he is in his career arises he's have to consider it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 01:11:21 PM: I wasn't NRC's biggest fan, but we seemed to have a few decent seasons with him in the team and squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 01:13:36 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
I wasn't NRC's biggest fan, but we seemed to have a few decent seasons with him in the team and squad.

I was, and thought he looked brilliant for West Ham at VP in the season before he arrived. He's just very limited. Now, is he a better body than Bannan or Herd or Delph next to Westwood. Yes, but he'd also want stupid money to play in the PL which is probably one of the reasons he isn't playing at that level now. That and he's a liability with the ball at his feet which apparently is a big deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 01:13:44 PM: To be honest, I think the team we had a the time made NRC look better than he was as opposed to the other way round.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 14, 2013, 01:13:49 PM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 14, 2013, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 14, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
NRC is a better defensive midfielder than Gardner.

Remember people it's a defensive midfielder we are after.

I think we need a couple of midfielders and another defender .
Defensive midfield I would like to see Clark alongside Westwood , that may see an improvement, and bring in another central defender.

Clark has been poor in centre defence and I think he would be a better player as a defensive midfielder.

I don't think Lambert will do it, but I'd be trying Clark at LB, once Vlaar is back in the side, to try and tighten things up. A could DCM infront of Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Clark would look a bit more solid to me.

Clark has been tried at left back before and let's just say it wasn't a success! He needs to play in the position Gareth Barry originally played a decade ago in a 5 man back line. Barry was able to play the ball out rather than hoofing it and developed into a world-class midfielder and still is. His performance for Citeh yesterday was brilliant.

Hard to believe some people are still suggesting Clark as a left back. He was all over the place positionally when tried there, even more so than he is now at CB. Fullbacks also need pace and Clark doesn't have any. He'd be zero improvement on Bennett or Stevens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 01:16:08 PM: We need control in the middle of the pitch and he just doesnt offer that at all.

I dont even know why we're discussing him. I could understand if he was a legend here or something but he wasn't and now even Ipswich dont want him.
There's no chance Lambert will be looking to him and if he does we really are fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 01:16:37 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 12:46:37 PM
He's leaving in a month for a coaching position but has already done enough scouting for us to use I would imagine.
Whats the betting Paul Faulkners dog eats that list.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 01:17:11 PM: Clark at LB is too slow. he'd be no different how Gaz Baz was when he played there on occasion including the nightmare at Reading when Glen "Neymar" Little took him apart
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 14, 2013, 01:30:53 PM: I'm all for getting Reo Coker back he may not have been the most gifted player to pull on a Villa shirt but he was fully committed and a leader on the pitch, exactly what we need to get out of this mess. He also knows most of the squad so if we want an experienced flag carrier for a couple of seasons and stop teams waltzing through our midfield we could do a lot worse. In the early O'Neill days he was one of the main reasons we won so many away games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 14, 2013, 01:42:34 PM: Clark at left back (where he's been beyond woeful before) and getting Reo Coker back ... it's all getting too much

ARRRRGGGGHHHH
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 02:06:27 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 14, 2013, 01:42:34 PM

Clark at left back (where he's been beyond woeful before) and getting Reo Coker back ... it's all getting too much

ARRRRGGGGHHHH

Another no to Clark at left back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM: Can we please stop this NRC thing? He was yesterdays man when he left. He's the day before yesterday's man now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:12:06 PM: So who the fuck are we signing then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 14, 2013, 02:17:44 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on January 14, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Quote from: andyh on January 14, 2013, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 14, 2013, 08:11:04 AM
I hope that we can get rid of our high earners, but to be honest who would want them!

They have let this club down big style.

I will never forgive the likes of Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Warnock, Dunne for the way that they have both played for our club, with there half hearted effort and the way that they have behaved off the pitch (slagging off Cowans etc...) and yet fans say give them another chance... FFS if I were the manager they would all be training by themselves after everyone else had gone home.

I don't understand how or when Dunne has ever let us down ?
Injury prone maybe, but letting us down ?
Really ? Do you remember Houlliers season when he turned up about 2 stone overweight?

He was disgrace at the start of that season. Never forget the home game v Bolton where he looked and played like a whale. Was one of our best players when he came back into the side around Xmas time and turned things around.

Injured a lot last season too. I dont think Dunne has much time left as a professional footballer. He didnt look after himself when he was younger (honey monster), now has suffered about 12 months of injuries and is 33. Id be surprised if he plays any more than one more season with a club after Villa.

Stephen Ireland is finished as a top level player. Considering the wages we pay him, the best we can expect is that he can on loan and we pay some of the wages. He will leave on a free to go play in Australia or Qatar when his contract runs out.

Not happening for Nzogbia at all at the club. Might find someone to take him off our hands but we are talking about about a 6m hit.

Given has suffered a run of injuries over the last few years and doesnt seem to have put the Euros debacle behind him. To be honest Im getting less convinced by Guzan of late so might see Given back in goal soon enough.

Gabby - 5m or so is all we can expect for him. Swap deal for Gardner is our only play with him I feel.

Warnock off at the end of the season, will bleed the club dry for the last few months. McLeish didnt even want to keep Hutton on at Forest. Makoun wont play for the club again.

Bent is injured again and we would be mental to sell him before the summer to another side in the relegation dogfight anyway.

We will do very well to shift even one of the big earners before the summer.

I agree that we are going to struggle to move any of the above on. After watching N'Zogbia on Saturday, I agree that he just isn't going to do it for us and would maybe start looking to offer him as part of a deal to bring someone in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 02:18:10 PM: Kendricks latest piece-

Paul Lambert’s job is safe – but the manager admits he “knows the pitfalls of the game” if Aston Villa get dragged deeper into a Premier League relegation battle.

Saturday’s controversial 1-0 home defeat to survival rivals Southampton dumped the struggling claret and blues in the bottom three with 16 matches remaining.

With just 19 points so far, Villa are averaging 0.86 points a game, which over the course of the 38-game season would leave them with less than 33 points.

Lambert’s position is not believed to be under any immediate pressure, although Randy Lerner is growing increasingly exasperated following recent results.

However, it is thought the present predicament, which leaves Villa in very real danger of relegation, will prompt investment in the playing squad rather than another change in the manager’s office.

Lambert, Villa’s fourth boss in three years, was quizzed about the situation after Jay Rodriguez’s dive conned referee Mark Halsey into awarding the penalty that Rickie Lambert converted to win Saints the match on Saturday.

Asked if Lerner was showing any concern over recent results, the manager replied: “I’m pretty sure he is astute enough... I’m not silly.

“I know the pitfalls of the game. He’s been great with me since I’ve been here.

“I always speak to Randy. I’ve always had a good relationship with him. He runs this club.”

Lambert essentially ruled out the prospect of Villa being in a financial position to recruit big-name, big-money proven Premier League players, such as Joleon Lescott and Scott Parker this month.

But it is thought Saturday’s setback, which Lerner watched on television at home in America, has underlined to the owner the urgency for some squad investment before it is too late.

Lambert refused to comment on the level of transfer funds at his disposal nor if that sum has changed in light of an alarming run of just one point from the past five Premier League matches.

“Listen, we have conversations all the time and it would be wrong for me to say there is X amount available,” he said.

“You can work with what you’ve got and if one or two come in, then great. As I said the other day, we will try and do something.”

Lerner has invested more than £200 million into Villa since taking over in 2006 and Lambert insists the chairman cannot be faulted for what he has done for the club.

“If that figure is right he’s put in, then it’s a hell of a lot of money,” he added.

“That’s a lot of money, an incredible amount of money. I understand the finances of it.

“But it’s a privilege to be here, and we will give it a right good go, and we go with what we’ve got.

“If a couple come in during January, then great, but you can’t fault Randy for what he’s done for this club, that’s for sure.”

Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

“If you look at the middle of that table, there is not much in it. There are about eight or nine teams.

“We have to do something about it, we have to. I’m not going to blame anyone at all. I’m the one who picks the team and the group. If we can get a couple in, then great.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 02:23:41 PM: For all those yelling no to Reo-Coker, is there another defensive midfielder out there who can immediately fit into the Premier League pace, does not require any settling period from another league/country, costs wages only and is a leader/talker?

All things we need right now - there is no point in looking for someone who will cost more than we can afford and will take a dozen games to settle in. It will be too late then.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's pretty limited but he will give us those benefits we are currently crying out for - now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:24:22 PM: Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

To me, that smacks of "we just need to turn up" & it's not the attitude we need right now, we need some fight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 14, 2013, 02:25:22 PM: You can add me to the list of people that would give NRC a contract (albeit lower than he was on last time). He was the best player on the park most weeks in the run that kept us safe at the end of Houllier's season, and he has leadership, energy, and the ability to dish out tackles and win the ball. With better passers around him like Westwood and Bannan I think he would do well for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 02:32:49 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

To me, that smacks of "we just need to turn up" & it's not the attitude we need right now, we need some fight.

I'd just rather there was a bit more of a plan to engineer our survival.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 02:38:51 PM: That statements in that interview are the ramblings of a madman. A more blinkered, head-in-the-sand approach I have not seen since Comical Ali was insisting that Iraq would win the war as the tanks were rolling in behind him.

Why will we stay up? We just will! That's the sort of thing my four year old son would come out with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 14, 2013, 02:40:57 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 02:32:49 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

To me, that smacks of "we just need to turn up" & it's not the attitude we need right now, we need some fight.

I'd just rather there was a bit more of a plan to engineering our survival.

(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/63794d1336528966-snorkel-update-baldrick.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 02:45:38 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
That statements in that interview are the ramblings of a madman. A more blinkered, head-in-the-sand approach I have not seen since Comical Ali was insisting that Iraq would win the war as the tanks were rolling in behind him.

Why will we stay up? We just will! That's the sort of thing my four year old son would come out with.

I'm surprised he didn't end it with " so ner ner ner ner ner"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 02:50:08 PM: Can imagine randy sitting eating his trifle in the USA ,listening to those words and thinking no need to worry about anything.

Quite worrying quotes indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 14, 2013, 02:50:57 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on January 14, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
You can add me to the list of people that would give NRC a contract (albeit lower than he was on last time). He was the best player on the park most weeks in the run that kept us safe at the end of Houllier's season, and he has leadership, energy, and the ability to dish out tackles and win the ball. With better passers around him like Westwood and Bannan I think he would do well for us.
you know what, I think I'd give him a contract till the end of the season as well.
I think he could influence the team far more effectively that than Ireland or Holman for instace, and yet they are on the bench.

After all, what the hell could we lose by trying?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 02:52:17 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

Good to see what the clubs ambitions were from day one.Just to stay up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 02:54:41 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 02:38:51 PM
That statements in that interview are the ramblings of a madman. A more blinkered, head-in-the-sand approach I have not seen since Comical Ali was insisting that Iraq would win the war as the tanks were rolling in behind him.

Why will we stay up? We just will! That's the sort of thing my four year old son would come out with.

I'm surprised he didn't end it with " so ner ner ner ner ner"

All I heard in his interview was
mumblemumble........go again.....fsssss.......young and hungry........rrrsswrrrwwww.......When I was a player.........We will stay up, My Dad says so and he's bigger than your Dad.......fishsticks........need a shave.........randyandme.......YAWn - plap, plap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 02:58:50 PM: Aston Villa’s head of European scouting, Michael Henke, is set to leave the club for a coaching role at German second division club FC Ingolstadt.

Henke, who was Lambert’s assistant manager under Ottmar Hitzfeld at Borussia Dortmund, was recruited to Villa’s talent-spotting network last August from Iranian side Esteghlal.

The 55-year-old will not leave until February at the earliest, so his departure will have no impact on Villa’s transfer activity this month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 03:15:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Aston Villa’s head of European scouting, Michael Henke, is set to leave the club for a coaching role at German second division club FC Ingolstadt.

Henke, who was Lambert’s assistant manager under Ottmar Hitzfeld at Borussia Dortmund, was recruited to Villa’s talent-spotting network last August from Iranian side Esteghlal.

The 55-year-old will not leave until February at the earliest, so his departure will have no impact on Villa’s transfer activity this month.

Because you actually have to have transfer activity in the first place for it to be affected, luckily we have none.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 03:46:35 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 12:09:32 AM
Only the Guardian and Telegraph are reporting the same Greg. There has clearly been some communication from the club.

the fuckers should try talking to us then.

Sorry. man flu.

They've been waiting to tell you at each home game ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 03:53:21 PM: I dont really see what was so wrong with that interview. Do you expect him to say "Yes, I think we're screwed"?
He's not the most elegant of speakers at the best of times so this is all very predictable.
I dont think he's talking to his players like that or that they have any doubt as to the predicament we're in.
I also have no doubts he knows that we need a few players in and that he's not going to give any hints as to who they are or how much he has to spend because that would be silly.

I'm also pretty sure he knows we need better than Reo bleeding Coker and that there are lots of players better than him that we can get without spending a fortune.
Spain is potentially having a January sale for instance.

Why go back to players we used to have who weren't much cop then?
I'm sorry this club has done this to you, that you're desperate enough to want things like Reo Coker back to happen but I dont think a guy giving the ball away and unable to support attacks in any way, putting more pressure on a young fragile team is the answer. We need more control of the ball, not less.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 14, 2013, 03:54:20 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Can we please stop this NRC thing? He was yesterdays man when he left. He's the day before yesterday's man now.

No.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/09/18/reocoker276.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 03:55:25 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 14, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Can we please stop this NRC thing? He was yesterdays man when he left. He's the day before yesterday's man now.

No.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/09/18/reocoker276.jpg)
Celebrates a pass going to one of his players for a change.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 03:56:58 PM: Were going through a massive season.. its painful.. but yet again those pair of dicks RIP and Risso disgrace themselves with abusing OUR manager. You really are low. Ive hated past managers with a passion but couldn't resort to your style. Show some respect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 03:57:12 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 14, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Can we please stop this NRC thing? He was yesterdays man when he left. He's the day before yesterday's man now.

No.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/09/18/reocoker276.jpg)

"Taxi to Milan please"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 03:58:15 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
Were going through a massive season.. its painful.. but yet again those pair of dicks RIP and Risso disgrace themselves with abusing OUR manager. You really are low. Ive hated past managers with a passion but couldn't resort to your style. Show some respect.

I doubt the managers upset by it, so why get yourself banned?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 03:59:50 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 14, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Can we please stop this NRC thing? He was yesterdays man when he left. He's the day before yesterday's man now.

No.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/09/18/reocoker276.jpg)
Taxi for Hoppo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 04:03:45 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 03:58:15 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
Were going through a massive season.. its painful.. but yet again those pair of dicks RIP and Risso disgrace themselves with abusing OUR manager. You really are low. Ive hated past managers with a passion but couldn't resort to your style. Show some respect.

I doubt the managers upset by it, so why get yourself banned?

Also slightly odd saying that and then asking for respect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2013, 04:04:34 PM: No sign of anything yet then? brilliant, we need at least a couple in by the weekend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2013, 04:06:05 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
Were going through a massive season.. its painful.. but yet again those pair of dicks RIP and Risso disgrace themselves with abusing OUR manager. You really are low. Ive hated past managers with a passion but couldn't resort to your style. Show some respect.

An apology would be appreciated here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 14, 2013, 04:16:34 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 03:53:21 PM
I dont really see what was so wrong with that interview. Do you expect him to say "Yes, I think we're screwed"?
He's not the most elegant of speakers at the best of times so this is all very predictable.
I dont think he's talking to his players like that or that they have any doubt as to the predicament we're in.
I also have no doubts he knows that we need a few players in and that he's not going to give any hints as to who they are or how much he has to spend because that would be silly.

I'm also pretty sure he knows we need better than Reo bleeding Coker and that there are lots of players better than him that we can get without spending a fortune.
Spain is potentially having a January sale for instance.

Why go back to players we used to have who weren't much cop then?
I'm sorry this club has done this to you, that you're desperate enough to want things like Reo Coker back to happen but I dont think a guy giving the ball away and unable to support attacks in any way, putting more pressure on a young fragile team is the answer. We need more control of the ball, not less.
Hear, hear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 04:17:43 PM: Is the NRC thing a caption competition for me I'd go with:

Barry (off screen) "Nige' how many passes to a Villa is that today?" NRC "This many, getting better!"

I actually didn't mind him as much as many on here as, at the time, I saw the value he gave the squad. However he'd be a truly terrible signing now. Not only do we not base our game on counter attacking, which suits him winning the ball and shipping it straight to someone else, but he's gone backwards as a player since he left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM: Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM: I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 04:26:29 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.

I think fans are here because we care and love the club , I don't think anyone gets pleasure from the current situation .

If people feel lambert is the wrong man then they have every right to say so, I'm sure he can handle criticism .

Equally im sure rip and risso would be delighted to be proved wrong about him - we all want success for aston villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 04:29:00 PM: Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

You must be joking on Herd. He can barely kick the ball straight - he never has been a Premier League player.

All those who rubbish Reo-Coker - who are these mythical alternatives from the continent or here who are going to cost very little and hit the ground running for a side that has absolutely no direction on the pitch at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2013, 04:30:56 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

They might be right but it's the very personal nature of some of the attacks that are way over the top. The manager, the chairman and the Chief Exec don't wake up every morning with an even more cunning and devious plan to personally fuck over every Aston Villa supporter. Whether they are doing a job well or not well is a perfectly valid point of discussion. But when it gets as far as very personal insults it gets a bit much. There is not one fan on here that is not upset or concerned about how things are. But not everybody has called the owner a c***. I think for many that's just too far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 04:32:23 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

It's easy with the Villa though, if you just keep saying everything's shit, you're gonna be right half the time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 14, 2013, 04:32:56 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

You must be joking on Herd. He can barely kick the ball straight - he never has been a Premier League player.

All those who rubbish Reo-Coker - who are these mythical alternatives from the continent or here who are going to cost very little and hit the ground running for a side that has absolutely no direction on the pitch at the moment.

Totally agree on Herd. He does try, but comes up short.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 14, 2013, 04:34:43 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

You must be joking on Herd. He can barely kick the ball straight - he never has been a Premier League player.

That's two things he has in common with NRC then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 14, 2013, 04:36:19 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 14, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

They might be right but it's the very personal nature of some of the attacks that are way over the top. The manager, the chairman and the Chief Exec don't wake up every morning with an even more cunning and devious plan to personally fuck over every Aston Villa supporter. Whether they are doing a job well or not well is a perfectly valid point of discussion. But when it gets as far as very personal insults it gets a bit much. There is not one fan on here that is not upset or concerned about how things are. But not everybody has called the owner a c***. I think for many that's just too far.
You put that much better than I ever could, TV. I think Hoppo's point is valid, just not the dicks part.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 04:36:28 PM: Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

I wouldn't want NRC back but but he's he's better than any of those muppets you mention. Delph, Bannan and Herd aren't fit to wear a Villa shirt. They're part of the reason why we are so rotten at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:37:44 PM: ToLambo you put it better than me..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 04:38:26 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.

No Villa fan is enjoying our predicament at the moment. To suggest it is just madness. It's fucking horrible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 14, 2013, 04:40:29 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

You must be joking on Herd. He can barely kick the ball straight - he never has been a Premier League player.

All those who rubbish Reo-Coker - who are these mythical alternatives from the continent or here who are going to cost very little and hit the ground running for a side that has absolutely no direction on the pitch at the moment.

You want some direction on the pitch yet argue for a player who gives none.
Players who are better or more suitable for us currently are far from mythical.
What about going for Moussa Sissoko for instance? Or Diame?

Please dont talk of Reo Coker as a "hit the ground running premier league player" because he's currently surplus to requirements at Ipswich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on January 14, 2013, 04:41:03 PM: There was a time when I thought NRC did OK for Villa but having watched his recent display against us,I thought it was the most inept midfield performance at VP this season which takes some doing .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:46:47 PM: Back on track... Were trying to arrange a fee for Liam Bridcutt.. Highly rated defensive midfielder for Brighton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 14, 2013, 04:47:55 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

I wouldn't want NRC back but but he's he's better than any of those muppets you mention. Delph, Bannan and Herd aren't fit to wear a Villa shirt. They're part of the reason why we are so rotten at the moment.
Herd is DMF, not a CB. Delph is an AMF not a DMF. Bannan is lightweight.
I don't think any of them are muppets; I think they could become useful squad players with the right blend of experience.
NRC isn't a player that would provide the right type of experience., IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:48:53 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

I wouldn't want NRC back but but he's he's better than any of those muppets you mention. Delph, Bannan and Herd aren't fit to wear a Villa shirt. They're part of the reason why we are so rotten at the moment.

i wasnt at the Ipswich match although i did watch it on line, so my impression of how good NRC was is a bit limited, but others who were there say he wasnt great, but be that as it may,
i was there on saturday and Delphs performance especially in the second half was better than anything i ever saw from NRC the whole time he was with us

as ever its just opinions,and mine of NRC is exceptionaly low, but in my view i would not swap any of the3 players mentioned for reo coker
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 04:52:06 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
Back on track... Were trying to arrange a fee for Liam Bridcutt.. Highly rated defensive midfielder for Brighton.

Where did u hear this?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:53:27 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
Back on track... Were trying to arrange a fee for Liam Bridcutt.. Highly rated defensive midfielder for Brighton.
Extended his contract........3 days ago.Good player mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 14, 2013, 04:54:50 PM: Theres a difference of opinion about NRC on all forums as there is about Agbonlahor.

I wonder if come 1st of Feb and we havent bought anyone and are still losing someone will post.

'Well we could have got NRC to the end of the season on cheap wages ...and then someone will remind him

Arrys got him in 31st Jan.

Only joking chaps but its probable we may have to settle for a promising kid from Accrington Stanley or some club of that status.

Lamberts scottish and as he will not resign he will tough it out. For our sakes I hope his luck changes.

But as I keep saying.Its down to Darren Bent to save us.Hes done it in the past he can do it again if Lambert finds us a winger who can go past people at speed and cross fast and hard.

But he will not consider that option far too old fashioned!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 04:56:04 PM: NRC is an average player, but he is different to what we have and we need some physical presence in there. Maybe Herd?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 04:57:14 PM: Sounds as if he's a decent player by this -

Poyet fears that Bridcutt has become highly sought-after and insists he would even hold his own at Spanish giants Real.

"Yes I am worried by Liam's performance. Other clubs can ask about him because it's part of the game," the Seagulls manager said.

"If I was coach of Real I would take him because he deserves to go to the highest level.

"As a holding midfielder, there is no better player in the division. So he is quite expensive.

"The best thing about Liam is that he understands me to an incredible level. The way he understands what I want from him is spectacular."

Brighton are one win away from the play-offs in the Championship and Poyet has ruled out offloading their best players.

"Now that we are at the same level as the rest of the teams that everyone is talking about, our players are expensive, I don't put prices on them but we're not a selling team anymore."

Newcastle's early exit from the FA Cup is compounded by a troubled Premier League campaign that has left them only two points above the relegation zone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 05:04:29 PM: Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner will resist the urge to make any panic buys in the January transfer window, despite the club's precarious position, according to the Press Association.

The American has spent over £200milion since taking charge of the club six years ago and has already funded manager Paul Lambert with £23million over the summer.

Lerner accepts that some cash will have to be made available to help Lambert's fight against relegation - Villa slipped into the bottom three following the weekend's 1-0 loss to Southampton.

Lambert has indicated he would like to bring in "one or two signings" during January but has nothing but praise for Lerner's financial support for Villa.

He said: "I always speak to Randy. I've always had a good relationship with him.

"If you look at the years he's been here, I don't know how much money he has put in but it's a lot of money.

"If a couple of players come in during January, then great. But you can't fault Randy for what he's done for this club, that's for sure.

"January always gives you an opportunity to bring people in.

"Listen, we have conversations all the time and it would be wrong for me to say there is 'X' amount available.

"You can work with what you've got and if one or two come in, then great. As I said on Friday, we will try and do something."

Lambert remains confident Villa will survive and preserve their record of 25 successive years of top flight football.

He said: "Do I still think Villa will be safe? Yes. Because? I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

"If you look at the middle of that table, there is not much in it. There are about eight or nine teams all close."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2013, 05:08:51 PM: NRC is a classic example of just what we are trying to get rid of - overpaid, disinterested, aging players with over inflated opinions of what they are worth - thanks to the blood sucking agents who are taking money out of the game in evergrowing volumes - this money should be going to the grass roots at schools and junior football ... as you may have guessed it makes my p*** boil.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 14, 2013, 05:11:14 PM: How interesting, I've not read that before ;)

For clarity I was posting this in response to Lamberts interview being posted for about the hundredth time today on this thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2013, 05:18:55 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 14, 2013, 02:24:22 PM
Asked if he still thinks Villa will stay up, Lambert replied: “Yes.”

Asked why, he responded: “I just do. I said that from day one. I just do.

Good to see what the clubs ambitions were from day one.Just to stay up

Can`t remember the club selling us that line when the season tickets were up for grabs - If I had known that the sole aim this season was just to survive I may not have been so hasty with my plastic card - ok the League Cup may be a nice distraction should we pull off a miracle of Biblical proportions and win the sodding thing, however right now I am more than disappointed that the fans were not included in any communication which alluded to survival being the Holy Grail.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 05:22:10 PM: I hoped we would be targeting mid table at least this season , not starting on day one wondering If we would stay up.

Maybe he should have talked up his young players to build a bit of confidence rather than saying " I just do"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 05:29:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
I hoped we would be targeting mid table at least this season , not starting on day one wondering If we would stay up.

Maybe he should have talked up his young players to build a bit of confidence rather than saying " I just do"

Sol ong as he's doing that in the dressing room it's fine, I'd rather he not single out any of the youngsters for praise or criticism at the minute, none of them need the pressure it would bring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 14, 2013, 05:34:29 PM: He needs a couple of wise owl grizzlers to allay the inexperience of the youngsters. If he does not see that then we are doomed through the enthusiasm of youth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 05:46:29 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 14, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
He needs a couple of wise owl grizzlers to allay the inexperience of the youngsters. If he does not see that then we are doomed through the enthusiasm of youth.

If Vlaar can stay fit and Dunne doesn't have a set back 1 would be enough, a commanding centre mid to set the tempo for us. Then we'll have a bt of cash to use on a younger defensive midfielder to fill out the squad and a young attacking midfielder with a bit of class about them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 05:48:37 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 14, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
He needs a couple of wise owl grizzlers to allay the inexperience of the youngsters. If he does not see that then we are doomed through the enthusiasm of youth.

If Vlaar can stay fit and Dunne doesn't have a set back 1 would be enough, a commanding centre mid to set the tempo for us. Then we'll have a bt of cash to use on a younger defensive midfielder to fill out the squad and a young attacking midfielder with a bit of class about them.

Can we risk Vlaar or dunne being fit though- neither have good records regarding injuries .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 05:55:14 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2013, 05:08:51 PM
NRC is a classic example of just what we are trying to get rid of - overpaid, disinterested, aging players with over inflated opinions of what they are worth - thanks to the blood sucking agents who are taking money out of the game in evergrowing volumes - this money should be going to the grass roots at schools and junior football ... as you may have guessed it makes my p*** boil.

We got rid of too many of those players and replaced them with too many kids. That's why we find ourselves in this shitefest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 14, 2013, 05:58:47 PM: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8396653/Aston-Villa-and-Fulham-are-chasing-Willem-II-hot-shot-Jeroen-Lumu
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 05:59:21 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 14, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8396653/Aston-Villa-and-Fulham-are-chasing-Willem-II-hot-shot-Jeroen-Lumu

Great, another kid!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 14, 2013, 06:02:11 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: rutski on January 14, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8396653/Aston-Villa-and-Fulham-are-chasing-Willem-II-hot-shot-Jeroen-Lumu

Great, another kid!
i knew you would be happy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2013, 06:03:14 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: rutski on January 14, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8396653/Aston-Villa-and-Fulham-are-chasing-Willem-II-hot-shot-Jeroen-Lumu

Great, another kid!

He's 17, he'll be one for the future so i can't see the harm in it. It might not be true anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 14, 2013, 06:14:01 PM: and a striker at that. FML.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 14, 2013, 06:21:31 PM: Why would be resign a midfielder who cannot pass and we wasted 13 odd million in wages and fees first time around

What about Makoun and that lazy bastard at left back as central midfield pair, one can tackle and other one pass
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 14, 2013, 06:24:03 PM: You know that black fellow who reguarly wanders round the city centre with a. a basketball or b. an electric guitar.

Thats who we need in our midfield!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 14, 2013, 06:26:28 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 14, 2013, 06:21:31 PM
Why would be resign a midfielder who cannot pass and we wasted 13 odd million in wages and fees first time around

What about Makoun and that lazy bastard at left back as central midfield pair, one can tackle and other one pass

I do think that the team would benefit from playing Warnock in central midfield at the moment, he looked OK there last season. Better option than any of Bannan/ Delph/ Holman/ Herd.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 14, 2013, 06:30:09 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on January 14, 2013, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on January 14, 2013, 06:21:31 PM
Why would be resign a midfielder who cannot pass and we wasted 13 odd million in wages and fees first time around

What about Makoun and that lazy bastard at left back as central midfield pair, one can tackle and other one pass

I do think that the team would benefit from playing Warnock in central midfield at the moment, he looked OK there last season. Better option than any of Bannan/ Delph/ Holman/ Herd.

I could see a 3 of Bannan, Westwood, and Lard Arse II being quite effective.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 06:33:04 PM: I've decided. NRC is not the answer. Next
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 06:47:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 14, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 14, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 14, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
He needs a couple of wise owl grizzlers to allay the inexperience of the youngsters. If he does not see that then we are doomed through the enthusiasm of youth.

If Vlaar can stay fit and Dunne doesn't have a set back 1 would be enough, a commanding centre mid to set the tempo for us. Then we'll have a bt of cash to use on a younger defensive midfielder to fill out the squad and a young attacking midfielder with a bit of class about them.

Can we risk Vlaar or dunne being fit though- neither have good records regarding injuries .

we're only allowed 25 players (over 21) in the squad, signing someone just in case we have another injury crisis isn't an option really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 06:58:33 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Yes, I'm really enjoying the predicament we're in, you twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 06:59:10 PM: I apologise.

(it's a good method this, like being a catholic)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 14, 2013, 07:01:01 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 14, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
I apologise.

(it's a good method this, like being a catholic)

You're forgiven my son. Now go and sing three "There's only one Randy Lerner".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 14, 2013, 07:02:12 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2013, 05:08:51 PM
NRC is a classic example of just what we are trying to get rid of - overpaid, disinterested, aging players with over inflated opinions of what they are worth - thanks to the blood sucking agents who are taking money out of the game in evergrowing volumes - this money should be going to the grass roots at schools and junior football ... as you may have guessed it makes my p*** boil.

We got rid of too many of those players and replaces them with too many kids. That's why we find ourselves in this shitefest.

I'm still convinced that if we'd played NRC more in the during the end of season run in 2009 we'd have qualified for the Champions League
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 07:15:06 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 14, 2013, 06:59:10 PM
I apologise.

(it's a good method this, like being a catholic)

I still owe Risso a 'twat'.

I'm going to save it for happier times, it will carry more weight.

They're ten a penny on here lately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 07:19:27 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

It's easy with the Villa though, if you just keep saying everything's shit, you're gonna be right half the time.

I expect stupidity from that brain donor Hoppo, but thought you had slightly more about you. Ah well, wrong again!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 07:22:55 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

It's easy with the Villa though, if you just keep saying everything's shit, you're gonna be right half the time.

I expect stupidity from that brain donor Hoppo, but thought you had slightly more about you. Ah well, wrong again!

That's rich coming from you, Rain Man. :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2013, 07:23:48 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
I apologise Dave but certain fans are verging on enjoying our plight. Pulling our manager to pieces isn't the answer.
Hoppo they don't enjoy it.The people that you singled out have been spot about where Villa are at the moment.
Some people are too pig headed to give them some credit.

It's easy with the Villa though, if you just keep saying everything's shit, you're gonna be right half the time.

I expect stupidity from that brain donor Hoppo, but thought you had slightly more about you. Ah well, wrong again!

I reckon that nothing like everything is shit with Villa at the moment, but the percentage which is pure, unadulterated turd is about 74%
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 07:25:01 PM: I saw a white Blues yesterday honest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:27:14 PM: I think our expectations have been dampened down to the point that when we sign a medicore loan player, we'll all be having a sex piss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM: Hey.. I'm no twat I'm a fan concerned as most just feel it would be better to put energy into getting behind them. As for brain donor. I have never heard anyone who belittles everything Aston Villa. Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2013, 07:29:35 PM: I remember almost most January transfer windows had all the activity on the last day. So until then im not hoping for any incoming business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 07:29:51 PM: I'm a twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 07:30:14 PM: Group hug anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 14, 2013, 07:30:27 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
I'm a twat.
I can confirm this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:33:06 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM
Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.
I've lost count the amount of posts by him and others giving ideas on how to get out of the shite we're in, at the end of the day, the only ones that can lift the malaise are Lambert and Lerner, the supporters give their all and spend money they can probably ill afford and support the club through thick and thin.

Your ire is directed at the wrong people, Risso and I are not on the payroll.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:34:09 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 07:30:14 PM
Group hug anyone?
No, you always start frottering yourself against me when we do that and I don't like it*

*Actually, I do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 07:36:59 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 14, 2013, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM
Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.
I've lost count the amount of posts by him and others giving ideas on how to get out of the shite we're in, at the end of the day, the only ones that can lift the malaise are Lambert and Lerner, the supporters give their all and spend money they can probably ill afford and support the club through thick and thin.

Your ire is directed at the wrong people, Risso and I are not on the payroll.

I think that when you get wound up by a post, it doesn't hurt to remember we're all Villa fans at the end of the day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 07:37:49 PM: Free love for all.Stiffies for the cute people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 07:38:35 PM: Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

Totally disagree, NRC is a better DEFENSIVE midfielder than, Delph, Bannan, Herd & Clark.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2013, 07:38:44 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM
Hey.. I'm no twat I'm a fan concerned as most just feel it would be better to put energy into getting behind them. As for brain donor. I have never heard anyone who belittles everything Aston Villa. Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.

The fans got behind the team on Saturday but we still lost.
By the way the biggest culprits when it comes to belittling the club at the moment are Lambert and especially Lerner. The team those two have built humiliates the club from top to bottom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:38:49 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 14, 2013, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM
Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.
I've lost count the amount of posts by him and others giving ideas on how to get out of the shite we're in, at the end of the day, the only ones that can lift the malaise are Lambert and Lerner, the supporters give their all and spend money they can probably ill afford and support the club through thick and thin.

Your ire is directed at the wrong people, Risso and I are not on the payroll.

I think that when you get wound up by a post, it doesn't hurt to remember we're all Villa fans at the end of the day.

Quite.

I can't imagine that anybody 'get's pleasure' out of the position we're in.

I was at the Wigan and Spurs thumpings and I hardly had a warm glow inside after that.
I'll admit that i'm a VERY bad loser when it comes to villa, hence my anger and frustration.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:44:20 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 07:15:06 PM

I still owe Risso a 'twat'.
.

Are you a pimp Lee?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 07:45:07 PM: I find it slightly odd that missing-village-idiot Hoppo was happy to support his fellow imbeciles over the protests at Villa Park when McLeish was announced as new manager, (before a ball was even kicked in anger), but now that things have properly gone to hell in a handcart, anybody saying so isn't supporting the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 14, 2013, 07:45:30 PM: Can everyone please stop talking about frigging NRC? That is all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 07:45:50 PM: PS...Sorry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2013, 07:47:01 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 07:29:06 PM
Hey.. I'm no twat I'm a fan concerned as most just feel it would be better to put energy into getting behind them. As for brain donor. I have never heard anyone who belittles everything Aston Villa. Put your efforts into ideas how to get out this mess not abusing everything.

Fair comments, Hoppo, but the "not abusing everything" sounds a bit hollow after you've been calling them dicks or whatever it was.

Let's all argue the toss, but without name calling, otherwise Woodhall will order us to bring out the banhammer, and even we're scared of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 14, 2013, 07:47:05 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

Totally disagree, NRC is a better DEFENSIVE midfielder than, Delph, Bannan, Herd & Clark.

yes thats why 4 of the above play for a premier league club fighting relegation, and the other cant get a game for anyone in any league at the moment, i mean he is free to a good home apart from his upkeep and still no one wants him
i mean people keep going on about filling the team with lower league players them tout NRC who has just been released by errr a lower league team
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:48:58 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2013, 07:47:01 PM
but without name calling, otherwise Woodhall will order us to bring out the BANHAMMER
What's that?
Some sort of Tipton Cudgel?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 14, 2013, 07:49:27 PM: Oh, and NRC.

Come on people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 14, 2013, 07:56:12 PM: Any chance on this Brighton midfielder?

WM were bigging him up before.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 07:57:17 PM: Any chance the initials NRC could be added to the word filter?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:00:49 PM: OK.. the supporters who demonstrated against McLeish were within their rights. I personally thought McLeish would of been better at organizing us and went down supporting him and us. Onto Lambert were just past halfway through games and halfway through a critical window possibly our most important for years. Were still in both cups..just!
Anyway I feel that we all need to put everything aside and support Lambert and the team. For all our differences were all Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:02:01 PM: No to Reo Coker... big yes to Bridcutt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 08:02:39 PM: Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 07:47:05 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: john e on January 14, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Delph Bannan and Herd are all better players than NRC,

would NRC make a difference to the midfield, yes, he would make it worse

Totally disagree, NRC is a better DEFENSIVE midfielder than, Delph, Bannan, Herd & Clark.

yes thats why 4 of the above play for a premier league club fighting relegation, and the other cant get a game for anyone in any league at the moment, i mean he is free to a good home apart from his upkeep and still no one wants him
i mean people keep going on about filling the team with lower league players them tout NRC who has just been released by errr a lower league team

He's like a footballing Benjamin Button.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 14, 2013, 08:06:03 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:02:01 PM
No to Reo Coker... big yes to Bridcutt.

Where did you hear we are discussing a fee for bridcutt?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 14, 2013, 08:06:44 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:00:49 PM

Anyway I feel that we all need to put everything aside and support Lambert and the team.

I might sound mental (or a twat) but maybe it's possible to support the team and discuss (moan about) their shortcomings? We're all adults here, even if we do piss the bed occasionally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 08:10:05 PM: The funny thing is, NRC wants to play for Villa, but we have said no, so ill stop talking about him now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 08:12:49 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
OK.. the supporters who demonstrated against McLeish were within their rights. I personally thought McLeish would of been better at organizing us and went down supporting him and us. Onto Lambert were just past halfway through games and halfway through a critical window possibly our most important for years. Were still in both cups..just!
Anyway I feel that we all need to put everything aside and support Lambert and the team. For all our differences were all Villa.

So criticising McLeish because he came from SHA is fair enough, even before you got to see how the team played under him, but the man who has given us our worst league ever result ever must be supported at all costs? How does that work then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 08:13:51 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
The funny thing is, NRC wants to play for Villa, but we have said no, so ill stop talking about him now.

I want to play for the Villa, but they wont let me either, and for the same reasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on January 14, 2013, 08:17:15 PM: If I've got it right the discussion on who is the biggest twat belongs to the absolute crap part of this thread if not it's in the wrong thread and fecking boring.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 08:24:01 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 14, 2013, 07:56:12 PM
Any chance on this Brighton midfielder?

WM were bigging him up before.
Like a said earlier he extended his contract 3 days a go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on January 14, 2013, 08:25:00 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
OK.. the supporters who demonstrated against McLeish were within their rights. I personally thought McLeish would of been better at organizing us and went down supporting him and us. Onto Lambert were just past halfway through games and halfway through a critical window possibly our most important for years. Were still in both cups..just!
Anyway I feel that we all need to put everything aside and support Lambert and the team. For all our differences were all Villa.

So criticising McLeish because he came from SHA is fair enough, even before you got to see how the team played under him, but the man who has given us our worst league ever result ever must be supported at all costs? How does that work then?

Because people believe that with one of them there is far better to come (given better circumstances) and with the other, his best was way off in the past.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 14, 2013, 08:31:58 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 14, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
OK.. the supporters who demonstrated against McLeish were within their rights. I personally thought McLeish would of been better at organizing us and went down supporting him and us. Onto Lambert were just past halfway through games and halfway through a critical window possibly our most important for years. Were still in both cups..just!
Anyway I feel that we all need to put everything aside and support Lambert and the team. For all our differences were all Villa.

So criticising McLeish because he came from SHA is fair enough, even before you got to see how the team played under him, but the man who has given us our worst league ever result ever must be supported at all costs? How does that work then?

Can we not get back onto transfers? There is a whole thread about whether people want Lambert at the moment. I would like to know where the Bridcutt link is from, and how when he signed a new deal with Brighton recently.

The word filter only Martin can do at mods request or his own want and the merit of NRC is actually transfer related in fairness, and as we need a player who can run and tackle with a bit of leadership and experience, understandably people will throw his name into the melting pot, especially as he is free.

It is pretty depressing there are bugger all links to anyone right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2013, 09:18:41 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
The funny thing is, NRC wants to play for Villa, but we have said no, so ill stop talking about him now.

I want to play for the Villa, but they wont let me either, and for the same reasons.

Bloody hell, they can't afford £6 an hour? Things must be worse than we thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 09:42:14 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 14, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 14, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
The funny thing is, NRC wants to play for Villa, but we have said no, so ill stop talking about him now.

I want to play for the Villa, but they wont let me either, and for the same reasons.

Bloody hell, they can't afford £6 an hour? Things must be worse than we thought.

This kind of commitment is worth £6 an hour of anyone's money:

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:45:58 PM: Rectory Park, one of the few times that fucking pitch is ever on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 14, 2013, 09:46:21 PM: There's been days of NRC talk - he's simply not good enough, no better than what we have, so not the answer. Couldn't keep Bolton up last year, & was on the bench for most of his tenure at Costa del Ipswich - he only played against us due to other loanees leaving at the end of 2012.

Sadly I can't say what the alternative is. Reading the Sky & BBC transfer tickers, every so often someone is linked with some obscure name from abroad - never seems to happen to us, which could be a slight on the limitations of our scouting network at the moment.

Tom Ince could be worth a punt, plus a loan deal for Tom Huddlestone, although AvB does play him. I've always rated Chris Eagles at Burnley, but he again is too Hollywood, & Hollywood is not what we need at the moment - it's steel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2013, 09:51:49 PM: Eagles is at Bolton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 09:52:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
Rectory Park, one of the few times that fucking pitch is ever on.

We lost more people down holes there one season than Chile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:53:53 PM: The one the other side of the trees is even worse, even in 80 degree heat there is six inches of mud.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 14, 2013, 09:55:21 PM: Bridcutt is an interesting link. He sounds like a decent player and is in a position we desperately need someone good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 09:55:52 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:53:53 PM
The one the other side of the trees is even worse, even in 80 degree heat there is six inches of mud.

That was our pitch, we'd been kicked off a lovely pitch next to La Reserve in Sutton Park because we couldn't get changing rooms.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:57:11 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 14, 2013, 09:55:21 PM
Bridcutt is an interesting link. He sounds like a decent player and is in a position we desperately need someone good.

Dont know much about him but on the face of it I'd like a 'been there, done that' player rather than another untried youngster. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 10:00:51 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 09:53:53 PM
The one the other side of the trees is even worse, even in 80 degree heat there is six inches of mud.

That was our pitch, we'd been kicked off a lovely pitch next to La Reserve in Sutton Park because we couldn't get changing rooms.

I know the one, always had the added danger of horse, cow or goose shit on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 14, 2013, 10:01:31 PM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on January 14, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Can everyone please stop talking about frigging NRC? That is all.

Agreed. I can think of no sadder indicator of our decline than people now thinking this bloke is some sort of half decent player who can save us from relegation. You'd laugh out loud if it wasn't so bloody tragic
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 14, 2013, 10:05:01 PM: The problem with taking anyone from abroad is that no matter how good they are, they will need time to settle. We don't have time for someone to take half a season to settle. They need to come into centre midfield, dictate the game, talk to the young players, and stop us conceding goals from day one.

In reality it simply isn't going to happen. Coupled with the financial constraints, it's little wonder there are few rumours and little encouragement from Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 14, 2013, 10:16:56 PM: I cant believe anyone can think NRC is going to be our saviour, he was struggling to get in the Ipswich team. Huddlestone would add a physical presence, is better than what we currentyl have and if we could get him on loan would take him. Dont know whether AVB would let him go now though, think the young lad Livermore was being touted as going on loan to QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 10:19:57 PM: Wasn't there talk in the summer of bringing Phil Neville in?

I'd go for that right now, and I'd tell Michael Dawson that he's the best centre half in the world and he'll captain the team we'll build around him.

Those two aren't last payday mercenaries, they're good pros who've captained good sides and Dawson's got years left in him.

Get someone like the lad Bridcutt, who's confident and playing well in too and we'd be sound, with the players coming back.

What's that, £15m? Buttons compared to what's at stake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 10:22:00 PM: How about David Bently, he may provide the crossing for Benteke we've been craving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 14, 2013, 10:24:05 PM: Where is he these days? I remember many on here having their arses in their hands when we missed out on him and got Milly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 10:25:07 PM: Still contracted to Spurs but not in their squad, just returned from a spell in Russia
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 10:26:54 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
How about David Bently, he may provide the crossing for Benteke we've been craving.

Think he's probably a bit far gone, but we could do with someone of that ilk.

Remember signing Solano for peanuts turned a shit side good. It's all it takes sometimes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: manic-road on January 14, 2013, 10:39:40 PM: Bentley??????? WTF Surely we havn't got that low.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 14, 2013, 10:55:02 PM: I'm new to the old Twitter lark but I've just picked up a tweet on some transfer site that Villa are close to completing the signing of a CB and a CDM.

Sorry if that's already been discussed I can't be bothered to go too far back. Probably nonsense I know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 14, 2013, 11:00:40 PM: I put this in the Henke thread buy is probably appropriate here as well

Henke, who has been busy scouting for Villa in Switzerland over the weekend, told German newspaper DK: "It's true, I'd like to work with FC 04, but I must first clarify with my club Aston Villa."
The 55-year-old ex-Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich assistant boss has only been working for his former player Paul Lambert for three months, but has apparently caught the coaching bug again.
Thomas Oral, the Ingolstadt trainer, has offered Henke the role of his number two and if he were to go, that could leave Villa without a high-level scout on the continent right in the middle of arguably their most important transfer window in years.
Lambert is desperate to make signings this month and is increasingly looking abroad to find value in the transfer market.
Henke watched Bayern Munich beat FC Basel in a friendly on Saturday and is following a couple of the Swiss club's squad very closely for Villa's manager.
Basel winger Valentin Stocker, 23, was linked to Villa in 2011 and recently admitted that the time may be right for him to move on.
"I do not think that FCB is my last stop, I can play abroad. There has been interest for me already."
Lambert's priority, however, is a new centre back and Basel's Aleksandar Dragovic could fit the bill. The Austrian international, 21, caught the eye against Manchester United in last season's Champions League and has missed only one game for Basel this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:00:51 PM: Speaking of Twitter there's a cracking row going on between Joey Barton and Didi Hamman. Coke abuse, gambling habits, shagging, allsorts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 14, 2013, 11:02:07 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 14, 2013, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
How about David Bently, he may provide the crossing for Benteke we've been craving.

Think he's probably a bit far gone, but we could do with someone of that ilk.

Remember signing Solano for peanuts turned a shit side good. It's all it takes sometimes.

By "that ilk" do you mean somebody more concerned with his hairstyle than playing football? He had half a good season a few years back and just seems to have been poncing about ever since.

I'm being deliberately flippant, I realise you mean a creative, flair player but in our situation we need players prepared to sweat blood for the cause and earn the right to play a bit of football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:04:27 PM: Don't we need players who can put the ball on Bentekes head from closer than the half way line? Seems the best chance of getting a goal in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 14, 2013, 11:06:09 PM: Anybody else been getting the feeling events are simply conspiring against us and that the stars are aligning in a way that seems to be fucking us up?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 14, 2013, 11:07:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
Speaking of Twitter there's a cracking row going on between Joey Barton and Didi Hamman. Coke abuse, gambling habits, shagging, allsorts.
The war of words began after the former Germany international took exception to a Barton rant regarding the running of his former club Newcastle.

However, the QPR loanee responded in typically brusque fashion, leading to the pair exchanging insults at regular intervals.

Here is a selection of the exchange:

DH: "Joey do yourself a favour and stay out of club politics QPR and NUFC have paid you well for playing not to commentonrecruitment"

JB: "trying to give me stick you cheeky man. Get your own life in order first... #peopleinglasshouses"

DH: "I never said a bad word about my ex clubs and I never will as that's called respect and dignity Joseph .You got a lot to learn"

JB: "only cos your trying your ******** off to get a job now your skint. Don't try a be all self righteous u blert. I know u!
"what about they way I seen you prepare for a game. That dignified? Worst pro I've ever seen Youve got more front than Harrods"

DH: "My life was in order well before yours you should light a candle for Fernandes and Llambias every day for paying you that money"

JB: "you earned a few quid yourself. U choose to spunk it. Don't hate me cos ur a **** up!
"u WHERE a good player. More to life than football, u nugget...
"if you wanna have it out publicly. Am here all day mate. Not having idiots like you talking like u actually have a clue!
"you where a good player. Won more than me, yeah. Thats were you en mate on the pitch. Ur life's a car crash. #pipedown

DH: "The problem is that you think because you play in France you think you are an international player #farfromit"

JB: "like being a family man. Being honest. Being loyal. Being a man. Being able to look at yourself in the mirror. Can u do that?"

DH: "Yes I do look in the mirror. I made mistakes but don't forget where you come from.Dont bite the hand off that feeds you"

JB: "don't be getting all self righteous. If I were you i'd think twice about trying to be clever or giving ANYBODY stick."

DH: "Joseph I won't get personal as Twitter is not the place to do that but don't think you are bigger than you are"

JB: "before you get fully emptied out publicly, you blert. You've got my number. You know where to find me 24/7"

DH: "No problem Joseph lets see each other in 5 years I hope I don't have to go to Walton #prison
"You said you want to boil burglars alive last week ..get a grip son and concentrate on your football ...England international

JB: "champions leagues medals don't make ur wife or kids respect u. Ur life like a car crash mate. Sort ur own house out!"
"Sick of washed up former pro's giving it big portions cos they've wasted their money. Medals don't pay your kids schools fees... #jogon
"I won't however be told be someone I deem vastly inferior as a MAN, how to live my life."

DH: "The medals won't make my kids respect me but im not prepared to punch a child in the face in McDonald's for them to respect me"
"I love a pint but never took drugs in my life be careful what you say England international #dontgetangryjoseph"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 14, 2013, 11:11:40 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Don't we need players who can put the ball on Bentekes head from closer than the half way line? Seems the best chance of getting a goal in the last few weeks.

I think our problems run a bit deeper than that; we create chances but don't take enough of them, the defence seem to be on a mission to discover new ways to concede and the midfield lacks leadership and the ability to win the ball.

My gut feeling is if we get a bit of experience back in the centre of defence and an organiser in midfield we'll give ourselves a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:15:42 PM: I watched some of that, the left back caught the eye for the team in red. I wasn't paying a lot of attention as you might guess.

Edit; in answer to the now deleted post about the Getafe game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 14, 2013, 11:16:24 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 14, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Don't we need players who can put the ball on Bentekes head from closer than the half way line? Seems the best chance of getting a goal in the last few weeks.

I think our problems run a bit deeper than that; we create chances but don't take enough of them, the defence seem to be on a mission to discover new ways to concede and the midfield lacks leadership and the ability to win the ball.

My gut feeling is if we get a bit of experience back in the centre of defence and an organiser in midfield we'll give ourselves a chance.

That would definitely help, but the more times I see us play (particularly at home) the more apparent it becomes that we desperately need some quality in wide areas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 14, 2013, 11:20:45 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:15:42 PM
I watched some of that, the left back caught the eye for the team in red. I wasn't paying a lot of attention as you might guess.

Edit; in answer to the now deleted post about the Getafe game.
Sid was in the airport. Getafe is now ruled out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:35:19 PM: Well if the press are to be believed, this January is the utlimate fire sale with foreign clubs desperate to sell their best players to English clubs. Lets hope they're very desperate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 14, 2013, 11:42:19 PM: Not that it's the slightest bit to do with Villa, but what's Barton on about? I always had the impression Hamann was as dull as a dishcloth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 11:43:53 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:35:19 PM
Well if the press are to be believed, this January is the utlimate fire sale with foreign clubs desperate to sell their best players to English clubs. Lets hope they're very desperate.

Let's hope our soon-to-be-fucking-off scout hasn't lost his passport
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:55:06 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:35:19 PM
Well if the press are to be believed, this January is the utlimate fire sale with foreign clubs desperate to sell their best players to English clubs. Lets hope they're very desperate.

Let's hope our soon-to-be-fucking-off scout hasn't lost his passport

Aye, though you'd sort of hope he did all the scouting a month or more back and his reports have been sitting in Lambert's draw gathering dust waiting for him to get the go-ahead. If not, he's got a busy few weeks coming up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 12:00:09 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 14, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 14, 2013, 11:35:19 PM
Well if the press are to be believed, this January is the utlimate fire sale with foreign clubs desperate to sell their best players to English clubs. Lets hope they're very desperate.

Let's hope our soon-to-be-fucking-off scout hasn't lost his passport

Aye, though you'd sort of hope he did all the scouting a month or more back and his reports have been sitting in Lambert's draw gathering dust waiting for him to get the go-ahead. If not, he's got a busy few weeks coming up

Gathering dust being the operative words
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 15, 2013, 12:00:16 AM: Quote from: levico on January 14, 2013, 10:55:02 PM
I'm new to the old Twitter lark but I've just picked up a tweet on some transfer site that Villa are close to completing the signing of a CB and a CDM.

A walkie talkie and a Cadburys Dairy Milk, probably.

Fatty Dunne will swipe the latter no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 12:20:31 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 14, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 14, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 14, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Don't we need players who can put the ball on Bentekes head from closer than the half way line? Seems the best chance of getting a goal in the last few weeks.

I think our problems run a bit deeper than that; we create chances but don't take enough of them, the defence seem to be on a mission to discover new ways to concede and the midfield lacks leadership and the ability to win the ball.

My gut feeling is if we get a bit of experience back in the centre of defence and an organiser in midfield we'll give ourselves a chance.

That would definitely help, but the more times I see us play (particularly at home) the more apparent it becomes that we desperately need some quality in wide areas.

Me too Tom. A goal one end don't half take the pressure off the other, and at the moment we really lack that unpredictable player to get us half a yard ahead of the defence. I actually think Benteke would be the most effective man wide of a 3 pronged attack because he commits and takes players on. Gabby has lost pace and never had a trick, Weimann is a finisher, although there appears to be the stirring of life in Charlie NZog, so that may help.

I have been impressed with Delph lately too. There are some decent players, but as well as the centre half and centre mid, a wide/ creative force would be very useful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 15, 2013, 12:35:55 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 14, 2013, 11:42:19 PM
Not that it's the slightest bit to do with Villa, but what's Barton on about? I always had the impression Hamann was as dull as a dishcloth.

Diid was fond of the GG's and developed a thirst whilst he was on Merseyside.

A few years in Liverpool can do that to a person, even a German.

That must be a parody account (of Didi's, that is). Sounds like a Newcastle fan with an axe to grind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 15, 2013, 12:44:21 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 15, 2013, 12:35:55 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 14, 2013, 11:42:19 PM
Not that it's the slightest bit to do with Villa, but what's Barton on about? I always had the impression Hamann was as dull as a dishcloth.

Diid was fond of the GG's and developed a thirst whilst he was on Merseyside.

A few years in Liverpool can do that to a person, even a German.

That must be a parody account (of Didi's, that is). Sounds like a Newcastle fan with an axe to grind.

Don't think it is, his profile has the verified account tick next to it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM: Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 01:22:28 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Not sure it will TBH. Well not the concept of Twitter anyway. It is just the easiest way to communicate and quickly share information.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 15, 2013, 01:49:04 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Not sure it will TBH. Well not the concept of Twitter anyway. It is just the easiest way to communicate and quickly share information.
And show off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 02:35:24 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Not sure it will TBH. Well not the concept of Twitter anyway. It is just the easiest way to communicate and quickly share information.

Call me old fashioned but if people want to communicate they should do it by scribe and papyrus.

Seriously I really dislike twitter, not just because of the bollocks factor but people (ie: players) say things on the spur of the moment that they regret and can get abused on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 06:01:41 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 02:35:24 AM
Seriously I really dislike twitter, not just because of the bollocks factor but people (ie: players) say things on the spur of the moment that they regret and can get abused on it.
Yes, but the fact that there is now a direct link between players and fans shows why Twitter is unique. There will always be a flip-side to these things but that is the way it is. You have to take the good with the bad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on January 15, 2013, 08:24:32 AM: I'm not a fan of Twitter but when it comes to the worst thing to happen to humanity surely it comes some way behind Joey Barton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 15, 2013, 08:27:23 AM: reminds me of the comment on gun control.....it's not the fault of the gun...it's the idiots using them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 08:34:25 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 15, 2013, 08:27:23 AM
reminds me of the comment on gun control.....it's not the fault of the gun...it's the idiots using them

To extend the metaphor though, no one is asking the americans to get rid of guns altogether, just put stricter restrictions in place on who can use them. A similar system with Twitter would be nice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 08:39:08 AM: On topic please let this be true! (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1205573?)

For the none clicky people, it's a Mat Kendrick story linking us to Sissoko.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 15, 2013, 08:43:26 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
On topic please let this be true! (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1205573?)

For the none clicky people, it's a Mat Kendrick story linking us to Sissoko.

Got to be worth a shout, we really have nothing to lose anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 15, 2013, 08:54:26 AM: Whoever we sign will just flop anyway
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 15, 2013, 09:15:25 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 15, 2013, 08:54:26 AM
Whoever we sign will just flop anyway

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 15, 2013, 09:23:59 AM: sings..."always look on the bright side of life...."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 15, 2013, 09:27:13 AM: Sissoko would be good, i think. Not sure of much at the moment. :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 09:27:51 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
On topic please let this be true! (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1205573?)

For the none clicky people, it's a Mat Kendrick story linking us to Sissoko.

This excites me......please let's pip MON to this one, please.

I'm now hoping Kendrick has been given a leak on it, because if he has, we must nealry have it wrapped up, because that's how we roll, right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 09:28:25 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 02:35:24 AM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Not sure it will TBH. Well not the concept of Twitter anyway. It is just the easiest way to communicate and quickly share information.

Call me old fashioned but if people want to communicate they should do it by scribe and papyrus.

Seriously I really dislike twitter, not just because of the bollocks factor but people (ie: players) say things on the spur of the moment that they regret and can get abused on it.
twitter is a brilliant tool used correctly, i put out a tweet last week for a ticket for bradford, i asked all the kingswinford lions club followers to retweet it and for them to ask all of those to retweet as well. this was a brilliant way of getting thousands to see the request and by 3 pm on the day of the match i had 6 come back with available tickets. superb!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:30:00 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 08:39:08 AM
On topic please let this be true! (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1205573?)

For the none clicky people, it's a Mat Kendrick story linking us to Sissoko.

Cue the Phil Collins....... "Sis..... Sis...... Sissoko"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 09:30:51 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 15, 2013, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 02:35:24 AM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 15, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Twitter is the worst thing to happen to humanity since flared trousers. The world will be undeniably better off when it dies.
Not sure it will TBH. Well not the concept of Twitter anyway. It is just the easiest way to communicate and quickly share information.

Call me old fashioned but if people want to communicate they should do it by scribe and papyrus.

Seriously I really dislike twitter, not just because of the bollocks factor but people (ie: players) say things on the spur of the moment that they regret and can get abused on it.
twitter is a brilliant tool used correctly, i put out a tweet last week for a ticket for bradford, i asked all the kingswinford lions club followers to retweet it and for them to ask all of those to retweet as well. this was a brilliant way of getting thousands to see the request and by 3 pm on the day of the match i had 6 come back with available tickets. superb!

In the words of Monty Python (sort of)

You unlucky barstard, you unlucky, unlucky barstard!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 09:33:53 AM: Sissoko would improve our team practically instantly. He and Westwood would give us a great platform to play from.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 15, 2013, 09:35:57 AM: Give the man a relegation clause and get him in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 15, 2013, 09:41:11 AM: Moussa Sissoko. That's more like it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 09:45:13 AM: A poster on VT says we enquired about Sissoko last week, fee £3.5m but wants £75k a week, therefore were not taking it any further
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 09:47:13 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
A poster on VT says we enquired about Sissoko last week, fee £3.5m but wants £75k a week, therefore were not taking it any further

£75k a week? I highly, highly doubt that. If he could command those sort of wages it wouldn't be two clubs in relegation worry trying to sign him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 09:51:13 AM: Players who cost 3.5m who are relatively young and not at teh top of their profession do not earn 75k per week. heis agent may have asked for it as a negotiation opener but he'll be getting a third of that if he's lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 15, 2013, 09:52:05 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 09:47:13 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
A poster on VT says we enquired about Sissoko last week, fee £3.5m but wants £75k a week, therefore were not taking it any further

£75k a week? I highly, highly doubt that. If he could command those sort of wages it wouldn't be two clubs in relegation worry trying to sign him.

Nope, it would just be QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 15, 2013, 09:52:58 AM: Pubehead would sign him just to piss on our fire, i am sure of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on January 15, 2013, 10:00:49 AM: He is out of contract at the end of the season, so knowing he can ask for a big signing fee and wages then he won't sell himself short now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 10:01:54 AM: Quote from: Damo70 on January 15, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
He is out of contract at the end of the season, so knowing he can ask for a big signing fee and wages then he won't sell himself short now.

Yeah, but he's still getting absolutely nowhere near £75k a week from any club that would be put off signing him now for 3m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 15, 2013, 10:04:09 AM: Further Sissoko speculation:

http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/french-ace-in-lamberts-sights-1531696.html?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 10:05:57 AM: Please sign Sissoko Villa he would be ideal. I severely doubt he's asking for £75,000 a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 10:15:48 AM: Matt kendrick has tweeted saying in his opinion this link is 'possible' rather than 'probable'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 10:21:49 AM: Well I hope it comes to fruition because he's exactly what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 10:26:18 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 10:21:49 AM
Well I hope it comes to fruition because he's exactly what we need.

Also, frankly I'm just pleased we are looking at such players. Makes me that little bit more hopeful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:29:36 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 10:15:48 AM
Matt kendrick has tweeted saying in his opinion this link is 'possible' rather than 'probable'

Also says hes hearing that sissoko may now be marseille bound.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 15, 2013, 10:31:47 AM: dont know to much about him, but seems to be rated so thats positive

probably isnt the experiened midfielder a lot of people were hoping for though as he's exactly the same age as all the others we have, 23 just a kid,

doesnt bother me, but i know some have a problem with to many kids already,never mind adding more
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 10:32:20 AM: Lets just hope this one doesn't have issues with his work permit...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2013, 10:35:36 AM: Let's hope if we do get Sissoko that he can actually tackle, unlike the last time we bought a supposed defensive midfielder from France.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 10:36:32 AM: I haven't seen it anywhere myself, but someone at work has just mentioned Dunne is off to QPR? ???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:40:29 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 10:36:32 AM
I haven't seen it anywhere myself, but someone at work has just mentioned Dunne is off to QPR? ???

Havent heard that but it seems remy has snubbed toon to join qpr and odemwingie is also heading to loftus rd.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:41:14 AM: @MatKendrick: Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko is among #avfc targets, but French sources say he could be Marseille bound
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 10:41:16 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 10:15:48 AM
Matt kendrick has tweeted saying in his opinion this link is 'possible' rather than 'probable'

Also says hes hearing that sissoko may now be marseille bound.

Oh well that was nice for the 25 minutes it lasted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 10:42:44 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 10:36:32 AM
I haven't seen it anywhere myself, but someone at work has just mentioned Dunne is off to QPR? ???

Believable, but surely we wouldn't sell anyone to one of our rivals?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 10:43:20 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
@MatKendrick: Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko is among #avfc targets, but French sources say he could be Marseille bound

We have targets! :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:45:57 AM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 10:36:32 AM
I haven't seen it anywhere myself, but someone at work has just mentioned Dunne is off to QPR? ???

Believable, but surely we wouldn't sell anyone to one of our rivals?

Would dunne even pass a medical, i see mvila also liked with harry too, sunderland have signed a 6ft7 senegalise defender , our rivals are stealing a march on us , we really need to act quickly.

In fact according to latest reports mvila at£7m and remy at £8m have reportedly now signed for qpr , no mention of dunne though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 10:54:18 AM: Sissoko in this week and Vlaar back and we'd immediately look a more solid side. And it would also give a much needed confidence boost!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM: Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 10:59:27 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
Sissoko in this week and Vlaar back and we'd immediately look a more solid side. And it would also give a much needed confidence boost!

Sissoko will be going to Marseille. Deal agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 15, 2013, 11:00:06 AM: I'd give Dunne a piggyback to Shepherds Bush myself if it meant getting him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 15, 2013, 11:00:23 AM: Come on Villa. You better have something up your sleeve.
Be about it already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:00:55 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.

I heard forren was on a weeks trial at liverpool last night? If he goes to saints he will be a good signing for them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:02:14 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
Sissoko in this week and Vlaar back and we'd immediately look a more solid side. And it would also give a much needed confidence boost!

Sissoko will be going to Marseille. Deal agreed.

Is that confirmed? Fucksticks if it is!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 15, 2013, 11:04:59 AM: Its smokescreen time!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:05:24 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
Sissoko in this week and Vlaar back and we'd immediately look a more solid side. And it would also give a much needed confidence boost!

Sissoko will be going to Marseille. Deal agreed.

Is that confirmed? Fucksticks if it is!

Well at least we had a bit of transfer link activity for about 40 minutes...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:09:12 AM: From the BBc Gossip page:-

Coach Roberto Mancini will step up Manchester City's search for a new defender if Vincent Kompany loses his red card appeal, and the champions could target Borussia Dortmund pair Neven Subotic, 24, and Mats Hummels, 24.

Full story: Daily Mirror
Signing two defenders seems a bit OTT to cover a (presumably) 3 game ban. So if true this might hasten Lescott's exit. That doesn't mean he'll come to us, but one to keep an eye on with the outside hope of possibly a loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 15, 2013, 11:10:11 AM: Hey, at least it shows we're trying to get someone in. Probably.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:11:54 AM: Quote from: The Man With A Stick on January 15, 2013, 11:10:11 AM
Hey, at least it shows we're trying to get someone in. Probably.

I never had any doubt we're trying, but my concern is how much we have to spend and our ability to attract the right quality of player at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:12:48 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
From the BBc Gossip page:-

Coach Roberto Mancini will step up Manchester City's search for a new defender if Vincent Kompany loses his red card appeal, and the champions could target Borussia Dortmund pair Neven Subotic, 24, and Mats Hummels, 24.

Full story: Daily Mirror
Signing two defenders seems a bit OTT to cover a (presumably) 3 game ban. So if true this might hasten Lescott's exit. That doesn't mean he'll come to us, but one to keep an eye on with the outside hope of possibly a loan deal.

Lambert said. Villa fans are in dreamland if they think lescotts an option .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 11:14:34 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 15, 2013, 10:15:48 AM
Matt kendrick has tweeted saying in his opinion this link is 'possible' rather than 'probable'

Also says hes hearing that sissoko may now be marseille bound.

Oh well that was nice for the 25 minutes it lasted.

But what a 25 minutes, I'm going to vote him Player of the Season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 11:18:52 AM: For fucks sake Villa, do something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:19:58 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
From the BBc Gossip page:-

Coach Roberto Mancini will step up Manchester City's search for a new defender if Vincent Kompany loses his red card appeal, and the champions could target Borussia Dortmund pair Neven Subotic, 24, and Mats Hummels, 24.

Full story: Daily Mirror
Signing two defenders seems a bit OTT to cover a (presumably) 3 game ban. So if true this might hasten Lescott's exit. That doesn't mean he'll come to us, but one to keep an eye on with the outside hope of possibly a loan deal.

Lambert said. Villa fans are in dreamland if they think lescotts an option .
Yes,going down is a lot better option for the sake of an expensive short term loan.Does Randy even know about the TV deal,he's behaving like he doesn't!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 11:20:11 AM: Forren is highly rated, it'll be very annoying if Southampton sign him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 15, 2013, 11:21:25 AM: I just wish they'd hurry up and sign at least one player I've never heard of.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:22:17 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
Forren is highly rated, it'll be very annoying if Southampton sign him.
I think/hope they are trying to force Liverpools hand
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 15, 2013, 11:24:27 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.

I heard forren was on a weeks trial at liverpool last night? If he goes to saints he will be a good signing for them.

Yep, I think Liverpool's plan to trial him first annoyed Forren, and Saints have stepped in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:26:40 AM: Just when i thought things couldnt get worse i hear phil dowd is ref against bradford- we really need some sort of good news pleeeeese!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:27:22 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.

I heard forren was on a weeks trial at liverpool last night? If he goes to saints he will be a good signing for them.

Yep, I think Liverpool's plan to trial him first annoyed Forren, and Saints have stepped in.
Whereas Lambert is probably sat twiddling his thumbs at Bodymoor Heath
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:29:13 AM: Or...just possibly...he's trying to negotiate with player's agents, players, clubs to get the right player in rather than, "fuck it Nigel Reo-Coker was nearly good once so he'll have to do".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 11:31:45 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
Just when i thought things couldnt get worse i hear phil dowd is ref against bradford- we really need some sort of good news pleeeeese!

Yes brought up on the Bradford thread a bit earlier this morning. Not good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:32:25 AM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Or...just possibly...he's trying to negotiate with player's agents, players, clubs to get the right player in rather than, "fuck it Nigel Reo-Coker was nearly good once so he'll have to do".
Hopefully,but it's what he should have been doing about 4 weeks ago
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:51:43 AM: doesn't mean he wasn't doing it 4 weeks ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:56:59 AM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
doesn't mean he wasn't doing it 4 weeks ago.
Yes,because I can't keep up with all the links we've had with players over the past few weeks.He said himself he wasn't looking at anything til after the Bradford game.It seems multi tasking isn't his thing

Or single tasking for that matter
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 15, 2013, 11:59:30 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.

I heard forren was on a weeks trial at liverpool last night? If he goes to saints he will be a good signing for them.

Yep, I think Liverpool's plan to trial him first annoyed Forren, and Saints have stepped in.
Whereas Lambert is probably sat twiddling his thumbs at Bodymoor Heath

Or he's looked at him and thought he's not good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:01:53 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
doesn't mean he wasn't doing it 4 weeks ago.
Yes,because I can't keep up with all the links we've had with players over the past few weeks.He said himself he wasn't looking at anything til after the Bradford game.It seems multi tasking isn't his thing

Or single tasking for that matter

Did he say that , if so its quite staggering , surely weve known for a couple of months where the problems lie .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 12:07:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
doesn't mean he wasn't doing it 4 weeks ago.
Yes,because I can't keep up with all the links we've had with players over the past few weeks.He said himself he wasn't looking at anything til after the Bradford game.It seems multi tasking isn't his thing

Or single tasking for that matter

Did he say that , if so its quite staggering , surely weve known for a couple of months where the problems lie .

Most of the links are made up, so that#s not a fair way to judge.

And even if he did say it, was that in the context of starting looking after Bradford or starting negotiations for already identified players?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 15, 2013, 12:11:13 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
Just when i thought things couldnt get worse i hear phil dowd is ref against bradford- we really need some sort of good news pleeeeese!

Now we'll have to score at least four with ten men.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 15, 2013, 12:12:11 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 15, 2013, 10:57:52 AM
Well, Sissoko won't be earning £75k a week at Marseille, I'm sure.

One or two around us strengthening now. QPR close to pulling in a couple of good players, Southampton reportedly giving a medical to the Norwegian CB Forren. One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe for £4m.

it gets more depressing. Come on Villa FFs . pull your bloody finger out
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 15, 2013, 12:14:31 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 15, 2013, 11:21:25 AM
I just wish they'd hurry up and sign at least one player I've never heard of.
thats the problem thou. I have heard of sossoko , never heard of KEA
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 15, 2013, 12:16:30 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 15, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 15, 2013, 11:21:25 AM
I just wish they'd hurry up and sign at least one player I've never heard of.
thats the problem thou. I have heard of sossoko , never heard of KEA

We haven't seen much of KEA either!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:21:26 PM: I don't get the assumption people have that we will be signing anyone. We are badically still broke financially i reckon and until we get rid of Ireland,Dunne,Warnock,Hutton and even Bent (unlikely with thier insane wages!) where will this money to buy a new player come from?

Sad to say i know, and we all know no signings in key areas= relegation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:25:04 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
I don't get the assumption people have that we will be signing anyone. We are badically still broke financially i reckon and until we get rid of Ireland,Dunne,Warnock,Hutton and even Bent (unlikely with thier insane wages!) where will this money to buy a new player come from?

Sad to say i know, and we all know no signings in key areas= relegation

There is money available to lambert but not a lot .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
I don't get the assumption people have that we will be signing anyone. We are badically still broke financially i reckon and until we get rid of Ireland,Dunne,Warnock,Hutton and even Bent (unlikely with thier insane wages!) where will this money to buy a new player come from?

Sad to say i know, and we all know no signings in key areas= relegation

There is money available to lambert but not a lot .

No-one will buy the above players - they are rubbish or injured as has been demonstrated by the last 2 years.

I think the sum Pat Murphy quoted was up to 10m - more if he can shift on the deadwood. We couldn't shift some of that lot a gathering of neanderthals on the gypsy cursed ground in Bordesley on bonfire night even if we tried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:32:11 PM: Ok assuming that's true i wonder why. I hope to god the main reson isnt the board naively believing about sticking too these financial fair play rules. Surely they cant believe teams like QPR and the "Big teams" will not exploit loopholes in the rules. Surely Randy could just sponsor the corner flags for £50 million or something..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 12:35:40 PM: Nobody knows anything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 12:38:33 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
Ok assuming that's true i wonder why. I hope to god the main reson isnt the board naively believing about sticking too these financial fair play rules. Surely they cant believe teams like QPR and the "Big teams" will not exploit loopholes in the rules. Surely Randy could just sponsor the corner flags for £50 million or something..

If there's a loophole, you can be sure that Harry & Co will find it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 15, 2013, 12:40:43 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
Ok assuming that's true i wonder why. I hope to god the main reson isnt the board naively believing about sticking too these financial fair play rules. Surely they cant believe teams like QPR and the "Big teams" will not exploit loopholes in the rules. Surely Randy could just sponsor the corner flags for £50 million or something..

I thought these FFP rules only applied to clubs competing in Europe. We are miles off a European place at the moment so can spend whatever we can without negative FFP repercussions. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM: A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 12:45:13 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
Ok assuming that's true i wonder why. I hope to god the main reson isnt the board naively believing about sticking too these financial fair play rules. Surely they cant believe teams like QPR and the "Big teams" will not exploit loopholes in the rules. Surely Randy could just sponsor the corner flags for £50 million or something..

If there's a loophole, you can be sure that Harry & Co will find it

Maybe qpr could line up a sponsorship of brown paper bags.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 12:49:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
From the BBc Gossip page:-

Coach Roberto Mancini will step up Manchester City's search for a new defender if Vincent Kompany loses his red card appeal, and the champions could target Borussia Dortmund pair Neven Subotic, 24, and Mats Hummels, 24.

Full story: Daily Mirror
Signing two defenders seems a bit OTT to cover a (presumably) 3 game ban. So if true this might hasten Lescott's exit. That doesn't mean he'll come to us, but one to keep an eye on with the outside hope of possibly a loan deal.

Lambert said. Villa fans are in dreamland if they think lescotts an option .
and to think odreary and ellis could have snaffled him up for next to nowt!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 15, 2013, 12:49:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.

And the common denominator is.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 12:53:11 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on January 15, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
No-one will buy the above players - they are rubbish or injured as has been demonstrated by the last 2 years.

I think the sum Pat Murphy quoted was up to 10m - more if he can shift on the deadwood.

Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:55:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.

And our strategy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 12:57:59 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.

And our strategy.
another harbinger of doom joins the masses to throw his positivity and hope amongst the followers of the club!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: myf on January 15, 2013, 01:07:31 PM: QPR will need 20 points to have any hope of staying up. That is a tall order - 5 wins and 5 draws - but Wigan proved last season that it's possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 01:09:02 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.
a luxury we can only dream of?? portsmouth did exactly the same with harry and he won them the FA cup, would you dream of being on the good ship pompey at the moment?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:09:50 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.

If you take 40 points as the safety mark, they need 26 points from the last 16 games, which equates to around top 6 form. We need 21 from 16, which is more like mid-table form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:11:59 PM: Im referring to spending the sort of money that qpr are investing in avoiding relegation , what we could do with £20m or so now to invest on players.

Of anyone in the bottom 6 i see qpr as most likely to succeed, they could be within 3 points of us by the weekend , they have experienced players, several new signings lined up, a successful manager who will attract good players and momentum- having won at chelsea and drew with spurs i think they have turned a corner .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 15, 2013, 01:13:43 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.

If you take 40 points as the safety mark, they need 26 points from the last 16 games, which equates to around top 6 form. We need 21 from 16, which is more like mid-table form.

Think it'll be more like 36/37 points as the safety mark.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 01:15:20 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 15, 2013, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.

And our strategy.
another harbinger of doom joins the masses to throw his positivity and hope amongst the followers of the club!

No, i want to be positive, its just a fact the wages me are patyng would truly fuck us in the Championship, and if you think otherwise you are a fool
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 01:16:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Im referring to spending the sort of money that qpr are investing in avoiding relegation , what we could do with £20m or so now to invest on players.
once again eastie, they did it, failed and now they are big time in the shit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:16:30 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.

If you take 40 points as the safety mark, they need 26 points from the last 16 games, which equates to around top 6 form. We need 21 from 16, which is more like mid-table form.

Cant see us taking much from the top teams so its more likely to be 21 from 11 games needed..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:18:05 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 15, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Im referring to spending the sort of money that qpr are investing in avoiding relegation , what we could do with £20m or so now to invest on players.
once again eastie, they did it, failed and now they are big time in the shit!

Qpr will stay up because of harry redknapp in my opinion, with hughes they were as good as gone .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2013, 01:19:34 PM: Its too big a job for QPR to stay up.

One flukey away win in a season aside, they need to win every home game and they wont do that.

Them and Reading are dead certs for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 15, 2013, 01:19:53 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

He is like a kid in a candy shop.I do think they will stay up as they have better players than the rest of us down there

On paper they have a good side, in practice they have a bunch of disinterested journeymen who went there for a last big payday. It's still a huge task for them to stay up, regardless of who they sign.

If you take 40 points as the safety mark, they need 26 points from the last 16 games, which equates to around top 6 form.

Or alternatively they need to win 1 more than Reading, and 2 more than us and Wigan. That may only need bottom six form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 01:20:04 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: rutski on January 15, 2013, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on January 15, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
A luxury we can only dream of -

@JamesNursey: #QPR transfer plans are interesting. Apparently Harry is so sure they will stay up, his signings are also for next season to kick on

Well that's a hell of gamble, because they're not going to QPR for anything other than money and if they don't stay up they'll be ruined.

Similar to pompeys strategy.

And our strategy.
another harbinger of doom joins the masses to throw his positivity and hope amongst the followers of the club!

No, i want to be positive, its just a fact the wages me are patyng would truly fuck us in the Championship, and if you think otherwise you are a fool
i dont know how long you have been coming on here hairband, but the posts you have put up today have all been doom and gloom, what you have failed to put up is a solution to the clubs ills, as has the majority of harbingers of doom on here. yes i am positive, am i a fool, well for being a realist maybe, but my support in unequivocal and always will be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 15, 2013, 01:24:04 PM: Get Faulkner on www.pof.com and find Jean Makoun an English wife!

Sign Sissoko then we have a midfield of

Makoun Westwood Sissoko

Suddenly with those two and Vlaar back we look competitive.

Getting Jean 11 a wife has got to be cheaper than signing another player.

It worked for Bozzie after all ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:24:10 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 15, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
Its too big a job for QPR to stay up.

One flukey away win in a season aside, they need to win every home game and they wont do that.

Them and Reading are dead certs for me.

Wigan were in as bad a state last year and survived , we have all seen what 3 wins have done for sunderland, that can happen to qpr , they could even be above us in a fortnight , so certainly shouldnt be classed as dead certs to go.

I wouldnt rule out reading yet either, a couple of wins can change things dramatically.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:24:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Im referring to spending the sort of money that qpr are investing in avoiding relegation , what we could do with £20m or so now to invest on players.

Of anyone in the bottom 6 i see qpr as most likely to succeed, they could be within 3 points of us by the weekend , they have experienced players, several new signings lined up, a successful manager who will attract good players and momentum- having won at chelsea and drew with spurs i think they have turned a corner .

People said the same thing about us after Anfield.

And they could just as easily be 8 points adrift of us. Granted us winning at Albion is unlikely, but then so it them winning at West Ham, IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:27:41 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Im referring to spending the sort of money that qpr are investing in avoiding relegation , what we could do with £20m or so now to invest on players.

Of anyone in the bottom 6 i see qpr as most likely to succeed, they could be within 3 points of us by the weekend , they have experienced players, several new signings lined up, a successful manager who will attract good players and momentum- having won at chelsea and drew with spurs i think they have turned a corner .

People said the same thing about us after Anfield.

And they could just as easily be 8 points adrift of us. Granted us winning at Albion is unlikely, but then so it them winning at West Ham, IMO.

Interesting you mention west ham as if anyone from mid table drops down into the pack i think west ham could be the ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 01:32:45 PM: Harry has also taken Southampton down, and had some dodgy spells. There is a long way to go, and a lot of egos at QPR. The Chelsea result and Spurs results were good, but we won at Liverpool and were a cross bar from beating Arsenal. It is swings and roundabouts, and a couple of results the wrong way pushed QPR down the shoot faster than us. There are a lot of players there in the mould that we would be bemoaning us signing 3 years later on huge wages crippling the club. Something will give there.

As for us, although only a possible, Sissoko would be an immense signing if we can get him. Alongside Westwood and the re-emerging Delph we could actually have a central midfield. Get Stephens in from Charlton too, who looks a decent player to me and we might actually possess a central midfield, which would be unusual.

Considering our woes at the back I was surprised to see us not even linked to that Forren, but I am clinging to the straw of hope that he was seen as too young and that we have someone more experienced lined up.

And for all the dreamland comments, I would not be shocked at all to see us go back in for Lescott towards the deadline if they sign a centre half. Feeling a bit more positive today. Couple of signings and we can do it. Draw at the weekend would be good too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 01:34:40 PM: Reading and QPR are three and six points behind us respectively. Us, who don;t look as if we know where the next point, let alone win, is coming from. I can see no reason why they can't both catch us quite easily.

Tragically
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on January 15, 2013, 01:38:28 PM: "Midfielder Michael Johnson has been released from his £40,000-a-week contract by Manchester City, reports the Guardian.

The 24-year-old, once considered to be one of the brightest young players to emerge from the club's academy, last made an appearance for the club as a substitute in a Carling Cup tie against Scunthorpe in October 2009."

Fits the Lambert mentality - young / something to prove ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 01:39:45 PM: Quote from: lsvilla on January 15, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
"Midfielder Michael Johnson has been released from his £40,000-a-week contract by Manchester City, reports the Guardian.

The 24-year-old, once considered to be one of the brightest young players to emerge from the club's academy, last made an appearance for the club as a substitute in a Carling Cup tie against Scunthorpe in October 2009."

Fits the Lambert mentality - young / something to prove ?

Have a look at the photo of what he looks like now. He'll be lucky to find a club in the Football League, let alone the Premier League.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 01:40:48 PM: Not played for 3 years! Rumours of serious off the field issues, and must be 5 stone overweight. No thanks!

Should have become one of the best midfield players of his generation though. Superb young player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 15, 2013, 01:40:59 PM: Quote from: lsvilla on January 15, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
"Midfielder Michael Johnson has been released from his £40,000-a-week contract by Manchester City, reports the Guardian.

The 24-year-old, once considered to be one of the brightest young players to emerge from the club's academy, last made an appearance for the club as a substitute in a Carling Cup tie against Scunthorpe in October 2009."

Fits the Lambert mentality - young / something to prove ?

Are we getting the sumo's back at half time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM: If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:41:59 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
Reading and QPR are three and six points behind us respectively. Us, who don;t look as if we know where the next point, let alone win, is coming from. I can see no reason why they can't both catch us quite easily.

Tragically

That completely ignores the fact that, despite how poor we've been, these sides have actually been worse so far this season. We can argue what Villa are and aren't going to do for the rest of the season, but I don't get this mentality that everyone around us is suddenly about to go on amazing runs. It defies logic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 01:43:39 PM: Quote from: lsvilla on January 15, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
"Midfielder Michael Johnson has been released from his £40,000-a-week contract by Manchester City, reports the Guardian.

The 24-year-old, once considered to be one of the brightest young players to emerge from the club's academy, last made an appearance for the club as a substitute in a Carling Cup tie against Scunthorpe in October 2009."

Fits the Lambert mentality - young / something to prove ?

Thanks but no thanks
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 01:44:05 PM: Wigan have managed it 2 seasons in a row, so it is not out of the question, and we did it under Gmac after GED was taken ill.

Gmac did a decent job in fairness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.

It's amazing how some people can write off a player after 7 games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:52:43 PM: And yet the majority of Villa mangers during his spell under contract with us have also seemingly thought likewise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 01:53:55 PM: I thing the issues with Makoun were cultural, as in settling in and learning the language, more than they were football related.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 01:54:05 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.

It's amazing how some people can write off a player after 7 games.

Yes the guy never really had the chance to show what he can do , i think that sending off at blackpool was the beginning of the end for him here .

I was delighted he joined us and think he should have been kept on , its shoddy work that he didnt keep up his english classes and should not have happened .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 01:54:14 PM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
And yet the majority of Villa mangers during his spell under contract with us have also seemingly thought likewise.
Even the one who signed him rarely played him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 15, 2013, 02:03:42 PM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
And yet the majority of Villa mangers during his spell under contract with us have also seemingly thought likewise.

The managers considered to be shit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:19:07 PM: Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on January 15, 2013, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
And yet the majority of Villa mangers during his spell under contract with us have also seemingly thought likewise.

The managers considered to be shit?

McLeish was, but Houllier split opinion somewhat.

I'm not sure Lambert ever had much of an option with him given the work permit issues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 02:19:14 PM: Michael Johnson earlier this week apparently.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/15/article-2262486-16F1F47E000005DC-924_306x464.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on January 15, 2013, 02:20:31 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2013, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
And yet the majority of Villa mangers during his spell under contract with us have also seemingly thought likewise.
Even the one who signed him rarely played him.
Define "rarely". From memory, he was suspended for a spell, as well as having an injury, and then the manager who signed him was incapacitated for a good portion of the end of the season. He was also given compassionate leave after family members were involved in a car crash (missing the final game of the season as a result I think).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:21:37 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
Michael Johnson earlier this week apparently.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/15/article-2262486-16F1F47E000005DC-924_306x464.jpg)

Surely that's the bloke that ate Michael Johnson?

Have they actually been paying him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 02:22:12 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
Michael Johnson earlier this week apparently.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/15/article-2262486-16F1F47E000005DC-924_306x464.jpg)

Surely that's the bloke that ate Michael Johnson?

Have they actually been paying him?

£40k a week. Amazing right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 15, 2013, 02:24:37 PM: I'd still have him over Reo-Coker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:25:50 PM: Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
I'd still have him over Reo-Coker.

He'd have NRC in a nice sarnie with brown sauce.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 15, 2013, 02:30:44 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
Michael Johnson earlier this week apparently.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/15/article-2262486-16F1F47E000005DC-924_306x464.jpg)

Surely that's the bloke that ate Michael Johnson?

Have they actually been paying him?

£40k a week. Amazing right.
likes the odd pint a little too much i hear??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 02:33:47 PM: Pauliewalnuts posted earlier that sissoko has agreed a deal to join marseille- has this been confirmed anywhere?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM: So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:39:18 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

I wouldn't want Bannan in that position anyway. Either swapped with Weimann or we play Gabby/N'Zog/Holman there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 02:41:21 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

I wouldn't want Bannan in that position anyway. Either swapped with Weimann or we play Gabby/N'Zog/Holman there.

Disagree. I know we've had this debate in the past, but if you compare Gabby, Zog's and Holman's performances with Bannan's on Saturday it's blindingly clear which one played the best. As for Weimann, when he plays wide he looks much less threatening than when he's able to switch positions with Benteke, make runs in behind or attack the box from deeper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 02:41:51 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 02:33:47 PM
Pauliewalnuts posted earlier that sissoko has agreed a deal to join marseille- has this been confirmed anywhere?
Can't find anything about that at all Lots of sources linking him to us though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 02:43:01 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

We've tried him there before but Baker is simply not a Left Back. Put Clark there if you must but I'd probably happier with Stephens or Bennett.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 02:43:52 PM: I thought Baker was more convincing at left back than Clark, and frankly Stevens just doesn't look up to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 02:44:17 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 02:33:47 PM
Pauliewalnuts posted earlier that sissoko has agreed a deal to join marseille- has this been confirmed anywhere?
Can't find anything about that at all Lots of sources linking him to us though

I know kendrick has tweeted French souces are saying sissoko going to marseille but i havent seen anything saying the deal is done yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 02:44:24 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

I wouldn't want Bannan in that position anyway. Either swapped with Weimann or we play Gabby/N'Zog/Holman there.

Disagree. I know we've had this debate in the past, but if you compare Gabby, Zog's and Holman's performances with Bannan's on Saturday it's blindingly clear which one played the best. As for Weimann, when he plays wide he looks much less threatening than when he's able to switch positions with Benteke, make runs in behind or attack the box from deeper.
Bannan improved us enormously in the second half on Saturday
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 02:46:03 PM: Agreed VA. It's clear how much better and more comfortable he looks higher up the pitch, as opposed to how uncomfortable he looks in the deep two in midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 02:51:37 PM: CLOSE?: #Marseille and #Toulouse are close to agreeing a fee to allow #NUFC target Moussa #Sissoko to go to #OM. (La Depeche du Midi)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:05:45 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

I wouldn't want Bannan in that position anyway. Either swapped with Weimann or we play Gabby/N'Zog/Holman there.

Disagree. I know we've had this debate in the past, but if you compare Gabby, Zog's and Holman's performances with Bannan's on Saturday it's blindingly clear which one played the best. As for Weimann, when he plays wide he looks much less threatening than when he's able to switch positions with Benteke, make runs in behind or attack the box from deeper.

As Weimann play's the role quite narrow, you still get that goal threat from him, as we've seen pretty much whenever he's played there, so I don't think he HAS to play central to give us that. I agree Bannan may be more effective further forward, but I still think that needs to be in a central position. So even wthout bringing anyone else into that team, I think swapping the positions of Bannan and Weimann would give a better balance to the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 03:08:43 PM: No indeed, those are fair points. In any case, you'd hope that any 3 in a 4-2-3-1 would be interchanging and fluid, so their starting positions should be academic really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:09:21 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

We've tried him there before but Baker is simply not a Left Back. Put Clark there if you must but I'd probably happier with Stephens or Bennett.

Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:43:52 PM
I thought Baker was more convincing at left back than Clark, and frankly Stevens just doesn't look up to it.

In modern football you need your FBs to be good on the ball, and Clark is better on the ball than Baker, so more likely to create something. However, solidity is the key right now, so perhaps Baker is the right call short term.

I'd like to see how Bennett does with an experienced CB inside him to talk him though games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 15, 2013, 03:09:28 PM: "Nottingham Forest manager Alex McLeish wants to strengthen his squad with a new goalkeeper, winger and attacker this month." (SSN) Nzogbia, Delfouenso and maybe even Given?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 03:11:01 PM: Agree about the left back situation there John, the solidity factor was my thinking as well. Besides, Bennett and Clark look absolutely mentally shot and in need of a break, whereas Baker seems a touch more resilient to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 03:13:15 PM: Come on Villa for fucks sake, time is ticking by.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:13:31 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:11:01 PM
Agree about the left back situation there John, the solidity factor was my thinking as well. Besides, Bennett and Clark look absolutely mentally shot and in need of a break, whereas Baker seems a touch more resilient to me.

Agreed. Both Clark and Benteke would have been taken out of the firing line by now if we had anyone else to put in during this horror run.

And also agreed about the interchanging of positions between the 3 in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 03:33:46 PM: As the sun sets over Aston, another transfer window day comes to a close, and the Villa fax machine sleeps on...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CAitken on January 15, 2013, 03:36:22 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.

It's amazing how some people can write off a player after 7 games.
Like Joe Bennett you mean!!!! It's the Villa way!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 03:38:11 PM: Quote from: mark.wheeler@hotmail.com on January 15, 2013, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.

It's amazing how some people can write off a player after 7 games.
Like Joe Bennett you mean!!!! It's the Villa way!!!

Mark, is there anyway you could pm me your contact details?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 15, 2013, 03:39:01 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
As the sun sets over Aston, another transfer window day comes to a close, and the Villa fax machine sleeps on...

Like with the Blue Peter tortoise they put the fax machine back in it's box to hibernate over the winter, I'm sure he'll pop out again in the summer for a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM: The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:41:41 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?

When it was revealed that a PL club had bid there was speculation on here that it might be us, but I don't think we were even linked in the press?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 03:42:53 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?

If Dunne and Vlaar are going to be fit soon, then maybe Lambo etc have decided we have more pressing priorities, such as defensive and attacking midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM: How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:58:00 PM: Quote from: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question

Well, it'd be better half time entertainment than those stupid zorb things!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 15, 2013, 03:58:03 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: mark.wheeler@hotmail.com on January 15, 2013, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 15, 2013, 01:41:50 PM
If makoun cannot speak English then him having a wife is of no relevance.

And teh fact that he was poor first time around should also weight in favour of him staying in France.

It's amazing how some people can write off a player after 7 games.
Like Joe Bennett you mean!!!! It's the Villa way!!!

Mark, is there anyway you could pm me your contact details?

It's a cracker!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 03:59:20 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question

Well, it'd be better half time entertainment than those stupid zorb things!

The zorb racing is beyond lame.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 04:03:14 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?

When it was revealed that a PL club had bid there was speculation on here that it might be us, but I don't think we were even linked in the press?

There were tentative links in the norwegian press along the lines of 'interest from a number of premier league clubs, thought to include villa, soton, man utd, everton, liverpool and fulham' I think it was those, was a big list anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2013, 04:07:08 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?

If Dunne and Vlaar are going to be fit soon, then maybe Lambo etc have decided we have more pressing priorities, such as defensive and attacking midfield.

Yes, like he did in the summer. Dunne and the phrase "fit soon" will never be happy bedfellows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 04:08:59 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question

Well, it'd be better half time entertainment than those stupid zorb things!

The zorb racing is beyond lame.

I feel a new thread coming on........

"Half time entertainment - what would you do?"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 04:13:51 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question

Well, it'd be better half time entertainment than those stupid zorb things!

The zorb racing is beyond lame.

I feel a new thread coming on........

"Half time entertainment - what would you do?"

I reckon a mascot wedding would be a great idea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2013, 04:20:44 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 15, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
The Beeb says Saints on the verge of signing Forren.

I thought we are after him?

If Dunne and Vlaar are going to be fit soon, then maybe Lambo etc have decided we have more pressing priorities, such as defensive and attacking midfield.

Yes, like he did in the summer. Dunne and the phrase "fit soon" will never be happy bedfellows.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that that might be his thinking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 04:22:21 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: villasjf on January 15, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
How about Michael Johnson now he has been released from Man City only 16 stone, no good on the pitch but Im sure he can give Dunn a run in man vs food how can a professional footballer let himself go so much? Oh silly question

Well, it'd be better half time entertainment than those stupid zorb things!

The zorb racing is beyond lame.

I feel a new thread coming on........

"Half time entertainment - what would you do?"

I reckon a mascot wedding would be a great idea

How about a guy in a villa kit kicking the ball into the net in front of the Holte for 15minutes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2013, 04:35:50 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

I'd be pretty happy with that. I think I'd like to see Bennett and Stevens a few more times, with a more solid pairing inside them, before I make a judgement on their chances, both have shown flashes of being capable of making the step up in my opinion, but how far they are away from doing so dictates whether we can afford them the time.

I'd prefer Bannan left of the 3, he won't score from there but he's got great delivery from that side and has put in 5-6 really good crosses in the last 2 games from that position, which we should have converted at least a couple of.

I do agree with the need for them to be flexible though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 15, 2013, 04:53:26 PM: Sissoko and Lescott are out of our wages range, i think 40.000 tops is what we have to offer. If we could get rid of Ireland and Given things might change.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 15, 2013, 05:48:24 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 15, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Sissoko and Lescott are out of our wages range, i think 40.000 tops is what we have to offer. If we could get rid of Ireland and Given things might change.

But then, I can't figure out why we don't go for Lescott, we've just got to ride out Dunne, Ireland and Given until summer, that'd free up a hefty wedge of wage cash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2013, 05:51:43 PM: Quote from: Rancid custard on January 15, 2013, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 15, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Sissoko and Lescott are out of our wages range, i think 40.000 tops is what we have to offer. If we could get rid of Ireland and Given things might change.

But then, I can't figure out why we don't go for Lescott, we've just got to ride out Dunne, Ireland and Given until summer, that'd free up a hefty wedge of wage cash.
Surely Ireland has another year and Given another three years?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 05:52:05 PM: Warnock and Dunne are gone in the summer and that's about £105,000 a week off the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 05:54:52 PM: Players who are out of contract in the summer. I wonder if it would be worth trying to get any of them in cheap now?

ARSENAL: Theo Walcott, Andrey Arshavin, Sebastien Squillaci, Emmanuel Frimpong, Lukasz Fabianski.
ASTON VILLA: Richard Dunne, Andy Marshall, Eric Lichaj.
CHELSEA: Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Florent Malouda, Paulo Ferreira, Hilario, Ross Turnbull.
EVERTON: Phil Neville, Sylvain Distin, Jan Mucha.
FULHAM: Mladen Petric, Damien Duff, Mark Schwarzer, Chris Baird, Philippe Senderos, Mahamadou Diarra, Giorgos Karagounis, Brede Hangeland, Neil Etheridge.
LIVERPOOL: Jamie Carragher, Doni.
MANCHESTER CITY: Kolo Toure, Richard Wright.
MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.
NEWCASTLE: Steve Harper, Xisco, Danny Simpson.
NORWICH: Elliott Ward, Marc Tierney, Simeon Jackson.
QPR: Kieron Dyer, Brian Murphy, Clint Hill, Shaun Derry, Radek Cerny, Ryan Nelsen.
READING: Stuart Taylor, Ian Harte, Brynjar Gunnarsson, Noel Hunt, Jay Tabb, Alex Pearce, Simon Church.
SOUTHAMPTON: Frazer Richardson, Richard Chaplow, Danny Butterfield, Artur Boruc, Jason Puncheon.
STOKE: Michael Owen, Matthew Upson, Carlo Nash, Rory Delap, Dean Whitehead, Ryan Shotton.
SUNDERLAND: Titus Bramble, Louis Saha, Matt Kilgallon, Fraizer Campbell.
SWANSEA: Gerhard Tremmel, Luke Moore, Dwight Tiendalli, Mark Gower.
TOTTENHAM: William Gallas.
WEST BROM: Boaz Myhill, Marc-Antoine Fortune, Steven Reid, Zoltan Gera, Goran Popov, Chris Brunt, Gonzalo Jara, Luke Daniels, Yassine El Ghanassy.
WEST HAM: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Gary O’Neil, Freddie Piquionne, Winston Reid, Joey O’Brien, Carlton Cole.
WIGAN: Maynor Figueroa, Callum McManaman, Franco Di Santo, Albert Crusat, Piscu, Mike Pollitt, Ronnie Stam, David Jones, Emmerson Boyce, Antolin Alcaraz.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2013, 05:59:59 PM: Not sure that's right, I'm sure Warnock is out of contract in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 06:04:24 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Players who are out of contract in the summer. I wonder if it would be worth trying to get any of them in cheap now?

ARSENAL: Theo Walcott, Andrey Arshavin, Sebastien Squillaci, Emmanuel Frimpong, Lukasz Fabianski.
ASTON VILLA: Richard Dunne, Andy Marshall, Eric Lichaj.
CHELSEA: Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Florent Malouda, Paulo Ferreira, Hilario, Ross Turnbull.
EVERTON: Phil Neville, Sylvain Distin, Jan Mucha.
FULHAM: Mladen Petric, Damien Duff, Mark Schwarzer, Chris Baird, Philippe Senderos, Mahamadou Diarra, Giorgos Karagounis, Brede Hangeland, Neil Etheridge.
LIVERPOOL: Jamie Carragher, Doni.
MANCHESTER CITY: Kolo Toure, Richard Wright.
MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.
NEWCASTLE: Steve Harper, Xisco, Danny Simpson.
NORWICH: Elliott Ward, Marc Tierney, Simeon Jackson.
QPR: Kieron Dyer, Brian Murphy, Clint Hill, Shaun Derry, Radek Cerny, Ryan Nelsen.
READING: Stuart Taylor, Ian Harte, Brynjar Gunnarsson, Noel Hunt, Jay Tabb, Alex Pearce, Simon Church.
SOUTHAMPTON: Frazer Richardson, Richard Chaplow, Danny Butterfield, Artur Boruc, Jason Puncheon.
STOKE: Michael Owen, Matthew Upson, Carlo Nash, Rory Delap, Dean Whitehead, Ryan Shotton.
SUNDERLAND: Titus Bramble, Louis Saha, Matt Kilgallon, Fraizer Campbell.
SWANSEA: Gerhard Tremmel, Luke Moore, Dwight Tiendalli, Mark Gower.
TOTTENHAM: William Gallas.
WEST BROM: Boaz Myhill, Marc-Antoine Fortune, Steven Reid, Zoltan Gera, Goran Popov, Chris Brunt, Gonzalo Jara, Luke Daniels, Yassine El Ghanassy.
WEST HAM: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Gary O’Neil, Freddie Piquionne, Winston Reid, Joey O’Brien, Carlton Cole.
WIGAN: Maynor Figueroa, Callum McManaman, Franco Di Santo, Albert Crusat, Piscu, Mike Pollitt, Ronnie Stam, David Jones, Emmerson Boyce, Antolin Alcaraz.

Frimpong and Hangeland from that lost wouldn't be bad!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM: As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 06:09:08 PM: Frimpong is still someone I think we should sign, even if Arse want a permanent deal for 3 million or so. I would love 2 athletic central midfielders that can play a bit, maybe like Sissoko and Frimpong, and put them in front of our back 4 and say walk through us now. We need to battle a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:09:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Players who are out of contract in the summer. I wonder if it would be worth trying to get any of them in cheap now?

ARSENAL: Theo Walcott, Andrey Arshavin, Sebastien Squillaci, Emmanuel Frimpong, Lukasz Fabianski.
ASTON VILLA: Richard Dunne, Andy Marshall, Eric Lichaj.
CHELSEA: Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Florent Malouda, Paulo Ferreira, Hilario, Ross Turnbull.
EVERTON: Phil Neville, Sylvain Distin, Jan Mucha.
FULHAM: Mladen Petric, Damien Duff, Mark Schwarzer, Chris Baird, Philippe Senderos, Mahamadou Diarra, Giorgos Karagounis, Brede Hangeland, Neil Etheridge.
LIVERPOOL: Jamie Carragher, Doni.
MANCHESTER CITY: Kolo Toure, Richard Wright.
MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.
NEWCASTLE: Steve Harper, Xisco, Danny Simpson.
NORWICH: Elliott Ward, Marc Tierney, Simeon Jackson.
QPR: Kieron Dyer, Brian Murphy, Clint Hill, Shaun Derry, Radek Cerny, Ryan Nelsen.
READING: Stuart Taylor, Ian Harte, Brynjar Gunnarsson, Noel Hunt, Jay Tabb, Alex Pearce, Simon Church.
SOUTHAMPTON: Frazer Richardson, Richard Chaplow, Danny Butterfield, Artur Boruc, Jason Puncheon.
STOKE: Michael Owen, Matthew Upson, Carlo Nash, Rory Delap, Dean Whitehead, Ryan Shotton.
SUNDERLAND: Titus Bramble, Louis Saha, Matt Kilgallon, Fraizer Campbell.
SWANSEA: Gerhard Tremmel, Luke Moore, Dwight Tiendalli, Mark Gower.
TOTTENHAM: William Gallas.
WEST BROM: Boaz Myhill, Marc-Antoine Fortune, Steven Reid, Zoltan Gera, Goran Popov, Chris Brunt, Gonzalo Jara, Luke Daniels, Yassine El Ghanassy.
WEST HAM: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Gary O’Neil, Freddie Piquionne, Winston Reid, Joey O’Brien, Carlton Cole.
WIGAN: Maynor Figueroa, Callum McManaman, Franco Di Santo, Albert Crusat, Piscu, Mike Pollitt, Ronnie Stam, David Jones, Emmerson Boyce, Antolin Alcaraz.

Sylvain Distin, Mahamadou Diarra, Giorgos Karagounis, and Maynor Figeroa would all be great for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 15, 2013, 06:10:22 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 06:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Players who are out of contract in the summer. I wonder if it would be worth trying to get any of them in cheap now?

ARSENAL: Theo Walcott, Andrey Arshavin, Sebastien Squillaci, Emmanuel Frimpong, Lukasz Fabianski.
ASTON VILLA: Richard Dunne, Andy Marshall, Eric Lichaj.
CHELSEA: Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Florent Malouda, Paulo Ferreira, Hilario, Ross Turnbull.
EVERTON: Phil Neville, Sylvain Distin, Jan Mucha.
FULHAM: Mladen Petric, Damien Duff, Mark Schwarzer, Chris Baird, Philippe Senderos, Mahamadou Diarra, Giorgos Karagounis, Brede Hangeland, Neil Etheridge.
LIVERPOOL: Jamie Carragher, Doni.
MANCHESTER CITY: Kolo Toure, Richard Wright.
MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.
NEWCASTLE: Steve Harper, Xisco, Danny Simpson.
NORWICH: Elliott Ward, Marc Tierney, Simeon Jackson.
QPR: Kieron Dyer, Brian Murphy, Clint Hill, Shaun Derry, Radek Cerny, Ryan Nelsen.
READING: Stuart Taylor, Ian Harte, Brynjar Gunnarsson, Noel Hunt, Jay Tabb, Alex Pearce, Simon Church.
SOUTHAMPTON: Frazer Richardson, Richard Chaplow, Danny Butterfield, Artur Boruc, Jason Puncheon.
STOKE: Michael Owen, Matthew Upson, Carlo Nash, Rory Delap, Dean Whitehead, Ryan Shotton.
SUNDERLAND: Titus Bramble, Louis Saha, Matt Kilgallon, Fraizer Campbell.
SWANSEA: Gerhard Tremmel, Luke Moore, Dwight Tiendalli, Mark Gower.
TOTTENHAM: William Gallas.
WEST BROM: Boaz Myhill, Marc-Antoine Fortune, Steven Reid, Zoltan Gera, Goran Popov, Chris Brunt, Gonzalo Jara, Luke Daniels, Yassine El Ghanassy.
WEST HAM: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Gary O’Neil, Freddie Piquionne, Winston Reid, Joey O’Brien, Carlton Cole.
WIGAN: Maynor Figueroa, Callum McManaman, Franco Di Santo, Albert Crusat, Piscu, Mike Pollitt, Ronnie Stam, David Jones, Emmerson Boyce, Antolin Alcaraz.

Frimpong and Hangeland from that lost wouldn't be bad!

Maybe Figueroa as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 15, 2013, 06:10:43 PM: MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.

sign them plenty of experience, come on villa fucking sign some one!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 06:10:58 PM: Figeroa is a good call. Would sort left back and give us a bit of experience.

Distin won't leave Everton I would not think. Diarra would be good, he has looked good in the holding role for Fulham at times.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 15, 2013, 06:11:32 PM: Hangeland and Jason Puncheon who was excellent for Southampton ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM: Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 15, 2013, 06:13:27 PM: Puncheon even looked good against us on the weekend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 06:15:12 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

Isn't it about 70 first team games he's played? Not much of a career for a 32 year old. Then again, does he care as he's probably made a good wedge for doing little?

Personally if I was a footballer i'd prefer a bit less money in the bank but to have some decent footballing memories, even if it was in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:15:19 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

I've had a quick look at his Wiki and he's played 68 club games in his entire career that's spanned about 15 years. Then you look at someone like Friedel who has made that many in 2 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:18:35 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

I've had a quick look at his Wiki and he's played 68 club games in his entire career that's spanned about 15 years. Then you look at someone like Friedel who has made that many in 2 years.

True, but Stu's still got his looks, whereas Friedel looks like an extra from the Muntsers.

Coincidence? I don't think so....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:20:25 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

I've had a quick look at his Wiki and he's played 68 club games in his entire career that's spanned about 15 years. Then you look at someone like Friedel who has made that many in 2 years.

True, but Stu's still got his looks, whereas Friedel looks like an extra from the Muntsers.

Coincidence? I don't think so....

It's not Brad's fault he looks like a potato!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 15, 2013, 06:20:35 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

I've had a quick look at his Wiki and he's played 68 club games in his entire career that's spanned about 15 years. Then you look at someone like Friedel who has made that many in 2 years.

the man city move always puzzled me, they can't exactly have signed him for his experience!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 15, 2013, 06:21:46 PM: Man City flogged Stuart Taylor in the summer, and replaced him with Richard Wright. FFS.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on January 15, 2013, 06:25:56 PM: Quote from: danno on January 15, 2013, 06:20:35 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

I've had a quick look at his Wiki and he's played 68 club games in his entire career that's spanned about 15 years. Then you look at someone like Friedel who has made that many in 2 years.

the man city move always puzzled me, they can't exactly have signed him for his experience!

Also interesting to me at least is that in a 15 year pro career he's only played 30 times for the club he's under contract to, the rest have been loan appearances.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: seanthevillan on January 15, 2013, 06:28:04 PM: He still has a league winner's medal though, doesn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Smoke on January 15, 2013, 06:32:55 PM: He has a league winners medal and fa cup winners medal from Arsenal, not sure if he got any for City.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 15, 2013, 06:41:06 PM: I would probably go for Figueroa as well, as he's way better than any of our current LB options. Hangeland and Frimpong would be good signings as well, but I doubt either of those would happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 15, 2013, 06:55:14 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 15, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 15, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
So, let's say we sign Sissoko and Coutinho, and Vlaar and Dunne return to fitness. We might end up with a team that looks a little like this:

-------------Guzan-------------
Lowton-Vlaar-Dunne-Baker
----Sissoko-Westwood------
Bannan-Weimann-Coutinho
-----------Benteke-------------

Everybody happier?

Edit: just seen Eastie's post. Damnation!

We've tried him there before but Baker is simply not a Left Back. Put Clark there if you must but I'd probably happier with Stephens or Bennett.

Agree, neither Baker or Clark are Left backs.
I'd have Baker alongside Vlaar
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 15, 2013, 06:55:44 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 15, 2013, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: regular_john on January 15, 2013, 06:07:27 PM
As an aside, has Stuart Taylor ever had a run as first choice keeper? I've only ever seen him as backup, surely he hasn't wasted his whole career that way??

If various companies we're willing to pay you thousands of pounds a week for doing absolutely rock all, would you consider it a waste of a career?

Isn't it about 70 first team games he's played? Not much of a career for a 32 year old. Then again, does he care as he's probably made a good wedge for doing little?

Personally if I was a footballer i'd prefer a bit less money in the bank but to have some decent footballing memories, even if it was in the lower leagues.

It's hardly doing 'very little' as I'm sure he's been a good professional and trained every day as hard as the first choice keeper. Some players could learn a lot from his example.

Agree with your 2nd point though!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 07:09:49 PM: With our position I am amazed we are 15 days into the window without any new bodies in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM: Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 15, 2013, 07:26:17 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 15, 2013, 06:10:43 PM
MANCHESTER UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs.

sign them plenty of experience, come on villa fucking sign some one!

also Scholes loves playing at Villa Park
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:28:33 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
With our position I am amazed we are 15 days into the window without any new bodies in.

They should've had at least one deal sealed in the first week alone to address the weakness in the midfield. I'd love to know why it always seemingly takes ages to sign players for us even when there's real urgency to buy them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 15, 2013, 07:29:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
With our position I am amazed we are 15 days into the window without any new bodies in.
I foolishly thought discussions would have long since taken place regarding budget and wish list drawn up so we could have got one or two in for last Saturday. Sounds like only just decided to release some funds a day or so back. Another wasted opportunity to save ourselves
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 15, 2013, 07:41:40 PM: It's rare for deals to be done early in the window. Selling clubs want top dollar, and realism only comes into it when the deadline approaches. It would be nice to sign them early but we aren't alone and I'm not unduly worried that it means nothing will be happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:43:42 PM: Quote
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick

Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

How I am not surprised...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 07:47:06 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
Quote
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick

Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

How I am not surprised...
... Let's hope for a flurry rather than a single flake when they eventually come.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 07:51:47 PM: Doesn't look like we'll have any new players in for Saturday then

Great
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 08:01:49 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
Quote
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick

Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

How I am not surprised...

I know these things take time, but fucking hell, I am starting to get worried now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 15, 2013, 08:03:02 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
With our position I am amazed we are 15 days into the window without any new bodies in.

They should've had at least one deal sealed in the first week alone to address the weakness in the midfield. I'd love to know why it always seemingly takes ages to sign players for us even when there's real urgency to buy them.

Probably because of the following;

Clubs don't want to sell, are waiting for replacements or are waiting for us to get desperate & pay over the odds.
Players want to wait to see who else comes in for them
We may have several options ie. 1st / 2nd / 3rd choices. Do we buy the 3rd option because we can get him now or wait 2 weeks for option 1.

The only way to get players in quickly is to pay stupid fees & wages or offers too good to refuse.

I'm amazed that at every transfer window people think we should be able to sign all the players we need in the first few days. It doesn't work like that & never will.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 08:09:00 PM: Gotta say though that in the case of Villa, "imminent" might mean anything from "No signings tonight, wait for tomorrow" to "nothing until the last day of the transfer window".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:09:20 PM: Frimpong has been a shadow of the player he was before his injury , far from great at charlton , bridcutt would be a much better option although a lot more expensive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 15, 2013, 08:09:34 PM: Oh well, another day of exciting links to a myriad of different players ends.

That michael Johnson story shows how far we've fallen IMO. If a citeh player with a weight problem and mental issues had come on the market 3 years ago, Lerner would have had him on a 4 year 60k a week contract by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 15, 2013, 08:12:51 PM: My colleague at work reports that there is Twitting (or whatever it's called) activity about Huddlestone joining us.
Is that on any other medium of modern communication?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 15, 2013, 08:17:35 PM: Huddlestone link never seems to go away for long. Probably get injured during the medical.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 15, 2013, 08:17:58 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 15, 2013, 08:09:34 PM
Oh well, another day of exciting links to a myriad of different players ends.

That michael Johnson story shows how far we've fallen IMO. If a citeh player with a weight problem and mental issues had come on the market 3 years ago, Lerner would have had him on a 4 year 60k a week contract by now.

snigger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 15, 2013, 08:19:21 PM: I am bored now. Wake me up when we sign 5 decent players. :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:19:22 PM: Another day of little news then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:19:58 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
@MatKendrick: Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

Did you read the previous page?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:21:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
@MatKendrick: Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

Did you read the previous page?

No sorry ozz just back from a mri scan , missed any news?
I see already posted , apologies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:22:53 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
Quote
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick

Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

How I am not surprised...

I know these things take time, but fucking hell, I am starting to get worried now.

I like to think of yourself as a bit of a barometer between the raving mad kneejerkers and the ultra calm it will all be ok in time hold the nerve types. I am with you, a week ago I thought next week a couple of players no worries. Now I am thinking that lift it could have given us against Albion not going to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:23:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:21:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
@MatKendrick: Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

Did you read the previous page?

No sorry ozz just back from a mri scan , missed any news?

Yeah that tweet was discussed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:24:51 PM: Cant see anything in the huddlestone story, kendrick would surely have heard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2013, 08:26:45 PM: Kendrick might not hear everything. Or at least I hope not, as I want a player tomorrow. Sissoko and Huddlestone would be good. Together. We can afford that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:28:36 PM: I thought sissoko was joining marseille - paulie reckoned the deal was agreed earlier?
All i could see on huddlestone was this -

@FootballAgent53: Fulham have been talking to Tom Huddlestone today about joining on a permanent deal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 08:36:32 PM: I'm going to boycott this site all day tomorrow in a one man stance against this transfer non-activity. Don't try and stop me, because I mean it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2013, 08:39:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 15, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
I thought sissoko was joining marseille - paulie reckoned the deal was agreed earlier?

Last I read was from the Marseille president saying, yes they were interested but there was stiff competition from foreign clubs.
The Independent today also ran a story from the PA claiming we were interested.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2013, 08:40:43 PM: I've just been on eBay. Username PFaulkner from Birmingham is selling a Panasonic fax machine, in as new condition due to minimal use.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM: As much as this thread does my head in (sorry!), can I possibly suggest Matthew Upson? Currently warming the bench at Stoke, I believe. Fairly decent defender with proven Division 1 ('EPL') experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2013, 08:52:18 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 15, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
I am bored now. Wake me up when we sign 5 decent players. :'(

Set your alarm for January 2019 then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 15, 2013, 09:06:51 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
As much as this thread does my head in (sorry!), can I possibly suggest Matthew Upson? Currently warming the bench at Stoke, I believe. Fairly decent defender with proven Division 1 ('EPL') experience.
he'll do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 09:08:48 PM: No to Huddlestone for me. Frimpong i'd like though along with someone else with a bit of experience.

I'd be tempted to offer Fulham something for Hangeland as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 15, 2013, 09:09:43 PM: throw £10mil at Fulham for Diarra and Hangeland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 15, 2013, 09:24:25 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2013, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 15, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
Quote
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick

Been told there's nothing imminent transfer wise at #avfc (But I have got the day off tomorrow, so that's when these things usually happen!)

How I am not surprised...

I know these things take time, but fucking hell, I am starting to get worried now.

Players that are free agents are always available though. There must be some of those in the world that could do a job for us.

In January we've been playing Wigan, Bradford twice, Soton, WBA all really vital and winnable games. We'll look back on this month more than any other month will define our season (Wembley trip and safety - knocked out by Bradford and Relegation). I can't believe we've not been linked with any free agents at least.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 15, 2013, 09:51:36 PM: Perhaps Lambert is going to say the return of Vlaar and Dunne is like having two new signings and Randy will put the cheque book away for another 6 months!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nodge on January 15, 2013, 10:00:59 PM: Panic
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 15, 2013, 10:04:56 PM: How soon is Feb?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 15, 2013, 10:06:34 PM: Every day is like Dunne day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 15, 2013, 10:08:57 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 15, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 15, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
I am bored now. Wake me up when we sign 5 decent players. :'(

Set your alarm for January 2019 then.

And prepare yourself for a Rip van Winkle style slumber.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 10:17:22 PM: FFS ASK !!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 10:23:07 PM: Stop me if you think you've heard this one before.

Anyroad, a pal of mine walked into the pub one Friday night and asked if anyone rated this foreign player, Imminient, who Villa were about to sign according to a billboard from the EM, has he lived it down?, I'm still posting about it 20 years later.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 15, 2013, 10:24:01 PM: Hangeland is out of contract in the summer and they're supposedly keen on Darren Bent (Berbatov and Bent would be a great front 2). If we could manipulate a situation where Fulham gave us £7-8m and Hangeland for Bent I would snap off their arm...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 10:26:08 PM: Bent was bought for 18m, has scored regualrly in a shite team but is now, by popular opinion, now worth about 6m.

Huh??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 10:26:25 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 15, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
Hangeland is out of contract in the summer and they're supposedly keen on Darren Bent (Berbatov and Bent would be a great front 2). If we could manipulate a situation where Fulham gave us £7-8m and Hangeland for Bent I would snap off their arm...

I would'nt, we might need his goals to help keep us up. I'd rather just put an offer in for Hangeland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 10:27:48 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

Panic on the streets of Birmingham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 15, 2013, 10:28:14 PM: Hangeland just popped in a 116th minute winner against Fonzie's crew. When did a Villa CB last score...?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: charlie659 on January 15, 2013, 10:28:55 PM: The joke isn't funny anymore....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2013, 10:33:11 PM: Randy Lerner - I started something I couldn't finish
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdward on January 15, 2013, 10:35:54 PM: What difference does it make....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 15, 2013, 10:40:15 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 15, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 15, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
Hangeland is out of contract in the summer and they're supposedly keen on Darren Bent (Berbatov and Bent would be a great front 2). If we could manipulate a situation where Fulham gave us £7-8m and Hangeland for Bent I would snap off their arm...

I would'nt, we might need his goals to help keep us up. I'd rather just put an offer in for Hangeland.

So would I, but if we have no money...

At the moment Bent might get us a goal a game, but unless we get an experienced defender we could be conceding two a game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 10:40:46 PM: So

Sunderland - Brought in 2 players
Wigan - 2 players
QPR - Looking like 3 players min so far
Soton - looking like CB signing
Newcastle - 1 so far , but have lost Ba

Us .....erm...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 15, 2013, 10:45:49 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

There is a scout that never goes out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 15, 2013, 10:47:11 PM: wtf is Lerner waiting for ? we have four very winnable games in Jan we have already lost two !!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 15, 2013, 10:48:12 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 15, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

There is a scout that never goes out.

Genius.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 15, 2013, 10:52:30 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 15, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
wtf is Lerner waiting for ? we have four very winnable games in Jan we have already lost two !!!!
I dont think Lerners waiting for anything I'm sure the money is there It's Lambert thats got to make the signings
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 15, 2013, 11:03:20 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 15, 2013, 10:40:46 PM
So

Sunderland - Brought in 2 players
Wigan - 2 players
QPR - Looking like 3 players min so far
Soton - looking like CB signing
Newcastle - 1 so far , but have lost Ba

Us .....erm...

We go again...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 15, 2013, 11:23:34 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 15, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

There is a scout that never goes out.

heh. ace.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 15, 2013, 11:34:09 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 15, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

There is a scout that never goes out.

And you go home
And you cry
And you want to die

When you say it's gonna happen now,
When exactly do you mean?
See I've already waited too long
And all my hope is gone
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 15, 2013, 11:37:43 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 15, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 15, 2013, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 15, 2013, 07:18:23 PM
Every day I come here. Every day I am disappointed. Why do I feel like I am in a Smiths song?

Heaven knows, we're miserable now.

Club in a coma

Panic on the streets of Birmingham
There was a scout but he's on his way out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2013, 11:45:52 PM: The club with a thorn up its backside
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 15, 2013, 11:48:31 PM: Haven't won a game in a long time,

See the season we've had, would make a good fan turn bad,

So for once in our lives, let us sign who we want,

Lord knows it would be the first time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 16, 2013, 03:48:25 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 15, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
Sissoko and Lescott are out of our wages range, i think 40.000 tops is what we have to offer. If we could get rid of Ireland and Given things might change.

Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 16, 2013, 04:10:50 AM: According to John Percy at The Torygraph & Rory Smith at The Times, Fulham have told Riise he can leave and are looking at Warnock as a replacement.

Swap Shop?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2013, 04:20:10 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 16, 2013, 04:10:50 AM
According to John Percy at The Torygraph & Rory Smith at The Times, Fulham have told Riise he can leave and are looking at Warnock as a replacement.

Swap Shop?

Happy days, Riise is far more competent. I thought he was the best player against us when they beat us at The Best Away Game (c). Why they would want Warnock is beyond me though, to be honest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 16, 2013, 07:00:50 AM: Probably want to make space in their pay structure,hasn't he slowed up a fair bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 07:24:45 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 16, 2013, 04:10:50 AM
According to John Percy at The Torygraph & Rory Smith at The Times, Fulham have told Riise he can leave and are looking at Warnock as a replacement.

Swap Shop?

Riise for Warnock would be great business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 16, 2013, 07:39:23 AM: A set of cones and bibs would be good business for Warnock bearing in mind he is costing is 40k a week and doing nothing !!

Swap loan for Riise till end of season would be ideal imo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM: Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Californian Villain on January 16, 2013, 08:12:04 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?

He failed his medical at the gooners
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM: Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

Full story: Metro
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 08:40:24 AM: The Metro? Must be true then. :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 16, 2013, 08:43:04 AM: Quote from: Californian Villain on January 16, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?

He failed his medical at the gooners
so he would fail his medical at villa, think so, or shall we sign him anyway just to say we have signed someone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 08:46:23 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 16, 2013, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on January 16, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?

He failed his medical at the gooners
so he would fail his medical at villa, think so, or shall we sign him anyway just to say we have signed someone?

Demba Ba failed his medical at Stoke, made his name at Newcastle and now plays for the European champions. Just because Hangeland failed a medical a couple of years ago doesn't mean that he would now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 16, 2013, 08:48:25 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 08:46:23 AM
Quote from: rutski on January 16, 2013, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on January 16, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?

He failed his medical at the gooners
so he would fail his medical at villa, think so, or shall we sign him anyway just to say we have signed someone?

Demba Ba failed his medical at Stoke, made his name at Newcastle and now plays for the European champions. Just because Hangeland failed a medical a couple of years ago doesn't mean that he would now.
granted, they still reckon his knee is well dodgy. no good being a good player on the treatment table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: prmort on January 16, 2013, 08:52:16 AM: CB's with dodgy knee's, we could play 3 at the back.... ML GOD BH...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 09:09:11 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 08:40:24 AM
The Metro? Must be true then. :)

Well let's fucking hope so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 16, 2013, 09:11:08 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

Full story: Metro

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/15/aston-villa-target-moussa-sissoko-to-fill-stiliyan-petrov-gap-3353320/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on January 16, 2013, 09:11:55 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

Full story: Metro

If you're wrong Mark I will fly over to the UK and cut your balls off with a blunt blade (smiley face). Hope this turns out to be true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 16, 2013, 09:26:32 AM: Quote from: glasses on January 16, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

Full story: Metro

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/15/aston-villa-target-moussa-sissoko-to-fill-stiliyan-petrov-gap-3353320/

Can anyone explain what's going on with the journalists eyebrows please?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2013, 09:26:41 AM: Don't know much about Sissiko, but we do desperately need a good defensive midfield player so would be pleased to see one come in. Bit of a risk as we need any new signings to make an immediate impact and Sissiko is young and has not played in the Prem. The last two French midfield imports (Berson and Makoun) flopped, or leastways didn't get selected much, so we don't have a great track record of signing from that league.

Just relieved to see us linked with players in positions we need strengthening in though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2013, 09:41:09 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 16, 2013, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on January 16, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 16, 2013, 07:39:58 AM
Didn't Hangeland have the chance to go Arsenal but decided to re-sign with Fulham ?

Why would he now want to leave Fulham to come to Villa ?

He failed his medical at the gooners
so he would fail his medical at villa, think so, or shall we sign him anyway just to say we have signed someone?
No such thing as a failed medical for these guys. It is just an insurance assessment and it's up to us to take the risk. When Clubs do not want to do that they term is as "failed medical".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2013, 09:44:24 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

How would signing a 22 year old from French League meet our most important short coming of "team lacking in age and PL experience"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 16, 2013, 09:45:33 AM: Quote from: glasses on January 16, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

Full story: Metro

http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/15/aston-villa-target-moussa-sissoko-to-fill-stiliyan-petrov-gap-3353320/

That article says nothing about being "favourites"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM: I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2013, 10:04:06 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Barton would do an immediate job for us, even if he is a bit of an idiot he is a very good player.

Hangeland I would risk, dodgy knees or not he seems to play regularly enough at Fulham and we only need 16 games out of him anyway!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2013, 10:06:35 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2013, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Barton would do an immediate job for us, even if he is a bit of an idiot he is a very good player.

Hangeland I would risk, dodgy knees or not he seems to play regularly enough at Fulham and we only need 16 games out of him anyway!

I'd have Joey Barton no-where near this club, the blokes a cock. He's more interested in starting arguments on twitter nowadays.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 16, 2013, 10:10:51 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

How would signing a 22 year old from French League meet our most important short coming of "team lacking in age and PL experience"?

Thats my take as well.
Wasn't JM II going to be the next great thing also ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 16, 2013, 10:11:34 AM: I'd rather have Dick Barton! Well he is a special agent! One for the more elderly readers there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 16, 2013, 10:13:58 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Surely you're not serious ???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 10:14:43 AM: Sissoko is a much better player than Makoun. He offers more physically and although young has plenty of experience including playing for France.
He would be ideal for us I think. But until they play in this league you can never be sure.

All players represent a risk though. The only "sure things" cost tens of millions and even then its hit and miss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 10:17:16 AM: Signing Barton would be equivalent of crashing your ship into an iceberg to put out a fire.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 16, 2013, 10:19:59 AM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 16, 2013, 10:11:34 AM
I'd rather have Dick Barton! Well he is a special agent! One for the more elderly readers there.

Ah those were the days! Don't forget Snowy and Jock ..... quick burst of the Devil's Gallop ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 10:20:27 AM: It won't happen, but it would be brilliant if we signed Sissoko plus a couple of defenders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:21:02 AM: Quote from: Boz on January 16, 2013, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Surely you're not serious ???
How did you guess?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MarkM on January 16, 2013, 10:21:23 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 10:17:16 AM
Signing Barton would be equivalent of crashing your ship into an iceberg to put out a fire.

You have to love his French accent though! Good moaning! classic
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 16, 2013, 10:27:13 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: Boz on January 16, 2013, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Surely you're not serious ???
How did you guess?

Seems some on the Forum are :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 16, 2013, 10:45:00 AM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

How would signing a 22 year old from French League meet our most important short coming of "team lacking in age and PL experience"?

He's got 5 caps for France and has experience in the Champions league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 16, 2013, 10:49:15 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 16, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

How would signing a 22 year old from French League meet our most important short coming of "team lacking in age and PL experience"?

He's got 5 caps for France and has experience in the Champions league.
Yes and the French league is getting better. Experience in the Premier League isn't the be all, we just generally need experience at a similar level. I mean while Holman, KEA and Vlaar are all experienced internationals, the latter two have had injury problems and trouble settling in and the Dutch league is pretty poor in truth too.

We desperately need quality, people with a track record at a top level. Sissoko looks a decent player. Get him in as well as another midfielder, perhaps with Prem experience, and we'll improve.
To compare to Jean 2 before we've even signed him is pointless. Jean was unlucky in many regards. We'll never know whether he could have been good enough here had he settled and/or been given a fair chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 10:53:01 AM: I would take Sissoko and Stephens at the moment to strengthen the midfield, and go all out for a good centre half. Oh and riise on a free. No brainer that one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 10:54:53 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 10:53:01 AM
I would take Sissoko and Stephens at the moment to strengthen the midfield, and go all out for a good centre half. Oh and riise on a free. No brainer that one.

Yep that'd do for me, just get a fucking move on Villa we need these players in now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 16, 2013, 10:55:04 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 16, 2013, 10:06:35 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2013, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
I'd rather we signed Joey Barton.

Barton would do an immediate job for us, even if he is a bit of an idiot he is a very good player.

Hangeland I would risk, dodgy knees or not he seems to play regularly enough at Fulham and we only need 16 games out of him anyway!

I'd have Joey Barton no-where near this club, the blokes a cock. He's more interested in starting arguments on twitter nowadays.

Totally agree clampy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 16, 2013, 10:58:06 AM: Fingers crossed we get Sissoko (and an experienced defender).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on January 16, 2013, 10:58:26 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 16, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 16, 2013, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Aston Villa are set to beat Sunderland to the signing of Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, 22.

How would signing a 22 year old from French League meet our most important short coming of "team lacking in age and PL experience"?

He's got 5 caps for France and has experience in the Champions league.

I agree, I think the issue is not age but experience. Of course its still a little bit of gamble when a player comes in from abroad you never know how they will settle but for the price and quality of this player I don't think were in a position not to go for him.

I would still like another midfielder in the mould of Petrov in with him as well if at all possible
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on January 16, 2013, 10:58:36 AM: Michael Johnson the one time "New Stevie G" has had his contract torn up by City. Lets get in there before someone else snaps him up. Martin O Neill has his finger ready to dial.
;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 16, 2013, 11:25:36 AM: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2263198/Michael-Johnson-reveals-mental-health-problems-triggered-Man-City-exit.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mancitymail&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=socialnet-twitter-mancitymail

This will answer your question ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:27:23 AM: Riise would make sense and allow Bennett time and space to develop. Either that or we move for Cavanda.
Sissoko is exactly the sort of player we need to shore up the midfield. I dont know much about Stephens but his main plus point seems to be his passing ability and workrate which we could also do with so get him in.
Then another centre half to guard against another crisis there. Maybe Douglas as he shouldnt cost too much with being free in the summer. Or maybe go for Hangeland.
Those four should be within budget. If Randy feels like letting the restraints go a little more then an attacking midfielder/forward like Coutinho would be great and give us more of a threat. As well as create more excitement for long suffering fans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 11:33:05 AM: Hangeland, Stephens, Riise and Sissoko. That way we're bringing Premier League experience into the defence, and much needed energy, quality and strength into the midfield. It should also cost under £10 million. Do it now Villa, stop messing about.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:37:35 AM: (http://www.thecnj.com/camden/2008/051508/images/news051508_14.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 16, 2013, 11:38:03 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
Hangeland, Stephens, Riise and Sissoko. That way we're bringing Premier League experience into the defence, and much needed energy, quality and strength into the midfield. It should also cost under £10 million. Do it now Villa, stop messing about.

Would be delighted if we got those four in and i think it would keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2013, 11:46:34 AM: I like Riise a lot, he'd do a decent job here for a season or two and take some pressure off Bennett.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 16, 2013, 11:49:41 AM: Right whose this Stephens?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:53:27 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 16, 2013, 11:49:41 AM
Right whose this Stephens?

This Charlton Man.

...are we still doing The Smiths?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:00:57 PM: That's really sad about Michael Johnson, I hope he can slay his demons
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:01:33 PM: Really wish there was a "like" button on some of these posts. They have been fantastic
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 16, 2013, 12:06:26 PM: Riise, yes please.
A back 4 of Lowton Vlaar,Dunne and Risse looks pretty good to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 16, 2013, 12:08:42 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 16, 2013, 12:06:26 PM
Riise, yes please.
A back 4 of Lowton Vlaar,Dunne and Risse looks pretty good to me.

Couldn't agree more, Riise would be a quality signing. The years of us having one of the meanest defences in the league seem like an eternity ago right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2013, 12:09:31 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 16, 2013, 12:06:26 PM
Riise, yes please.
A back 4 of Lowton Vlaar,Dunne and Risse looks pretty good to me.

Having tried Vlaark, Vlaker, Claker and (the ultimate) Clakerd as defence combinations, perhaps Vlunne will be the best combination for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 16, 2013, 12:09:38 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 16, 2013, 12:06:26 PM
Riise, yes please.
A back 4 of Lowton Vlaar,Dunne and Risse looks pretty good to me.

I think dunne is a long way from coming back, he may start training this week but will still probably need 3 or 4 weeks at least to get even close to match fitness considering how long hes been out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:10:43 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
Riise would make sense and allow Bennett time and space to develop. Either that or we move for Cavanda.
Sissoko is exactly the sort of player we need to shore up the midfield. I dont know much about Stephens but his main plus point seems to be his passing ability and workrate which we could also do with so get him in.
Then another centre half to guard against another crisis there. Maybe Douglas as he shouldnt cost too much with being free in the summer. Or maybe go for Hangeland.
Those four should be within budget. If Randy feels like letting the restraints go a little more then an attacking midfielder/forward like Coutinho would be great and give us more of a threat. As well as create more excitement for long suffering fans.

Would be great.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2013, 12:16:34 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
Riise would make sense and allow Bennett time and space to develop. Either that or we move for Cavanda.
Sissoko is exactly the sort of player we need to shore up the midfield. I dont know much about Stephens but his main plus point seems to be his passing ability and workrate which we could also do with so get him in.
Then another centre half to guard against another crisis there. Maybe Douglas as he shouldnt cost too much with being free in the summer. Or maybe go for Hangeland.
Those four should be within budget. If Randy feels like letting the restraints go a little more then an attacking midfielder/forward like Coutinho would be great and give us more of a threat. As well as create more excitement for long suffering fans.

Would be great.

You're just gong to be even more disappointed when none of the above happens. Stop torturing yourselves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM: Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2013, 12:21:24 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.

Oh of course. But he's not as shit as we have been, therefore (if fit) would improve us. Who knows if it would be enough, but he'd improve us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 16, 2013, 12:21:52 PM: Have we tried stapling a sausage roll to the football? I reckon he would never lose sight of the ball then, and he'd be the fastest player on the pitch
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on January 16, 2013, 12:31:00 PM: Cn't see Dunne coming in, he doesn't play Ireland, Bent, Given, Warnock, Hutton, so dont see why he'd put Dunne in. I think it'll be Vlaar with one of Baker or Clark for the rest of the season. Dunne's off in the summer anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2013, 12:33:18 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.

He's not though. Prone to the odd fudge-up sure but he's also the only leader we have who can organise that defence.

I wouldn't worry about the pies and Guinness. I just hope he hasn't been smoking too much over the past 6 months.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 12:35:24 PM: Quote from: MoetVillan on January 16, 2013, 12:21:52 PM
Have we tried stapling a sausage roll to the football? I reckon he would never lose sight of the ball then, and he'd be the fastest player on the pitch

Some light amidst the gloom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 16, 2013, 12:38:42 PM: Not that we need another striker but Sunderland are allowing Saha to leave
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 16, 2013, 12:51:47 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 16, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
Not that we need another striker but Sunderland are allowing Saha to leave

That would rank alongside bringing Barton in ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 16, 2013, 12:54:17 PM: Quote from: Boz on January 16, 2013, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 16, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
Not that we need another striker but Sunderland are allowing Saha to leave

That would rank alongside bringing Barton in ::)

Surely he's not that bad? ??? Given the choice, I'd take Saha over Barton
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 16, 2013, 12:57:53 PM: Must mean they are confident of getting Danny Graham. Wonder how much MON will pay over the odds for him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 12:59:29 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 16, 2013, 12:16:34 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
Riise would make sense and allow Bennett time and space to develop. Either that or we move for Cavanda.
Sissoko is exactly the sort of player we need to shore up the midfield. I dont know much about Stephens but his main plus point seems to be his passing ability and workrate which we could also do with so get him in.
Then another centre half to guard against another crisis there. Maybe Douglas as he shouldnt cost too much with being free in the summer. Or maybe go for Hangeland.
Those four should be within budget. If Randy feels like letting the restraints go a little more then an attacking midfielder/forward like Coutinho would be great and give us more of a threat. As well as create more excitement for long suffering fans.

Would be great.

You're just gong to be even more disappointed when none of the above happens. Stop torturing yourselves.

It's not like we're walking on sunshine anyway, so what harm?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 16, 2013, 01:03:28 PM: Would happily swap Warnock for Riise.

It would actually be like having a new player come in, without one going out.

Riise can play the attacking full back Lambert wants and has bags of experience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 01:04:12 PM: And he's a Viking. Ginger, but a Viking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IRISHPHIL on January 16, 2013, 01:05:27 PM: whaat do think of swapping stephen ireland for wilson pscelious
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 16, 2013, 01:06:37 PM: Quote from: IRISHPHIL on January 16, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
whaat do think of swapping stephen ireland for wilson pscelious

I'd swap Stephen Ireland for the corpse of Harold Wilson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 01:10:11 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 16, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
Quote from: IRISHPHIL on January 16, 2013, 01:05:27 PM
whaat do think of swapping stephen ireland for wilson pscelious

I'd swap Stephen Ireland for the corpse of Harold Wilson.
I would not even want the corpse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:14:35 PM: Quote

You're just gong to be even more disappointed when none of the above happens. Stop torturing yourselves.
That rings a bell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mazrimsbruv on January 16, 2013, 01:18:05 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
Quote

You're just gong to be even more disappointed when none of the above happens. Stop torturing yourselves.
That rings a bell.

He should get an award for that post. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 16, 2013, 01:18:15 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 16, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
Would happily swap Warnock for Riise.

It would actually be like having a new player come in, without one going out.

Riise can play the attacking full back Lambert wants and has bags of experience.

Too old, over 25 and has too much experience for Lambert!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 16, 2013, 01:21:34 PM: Does anyone know is the "We don't announce transfers after 2pm" urban legend or does AVFC really work like that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 16, 2013, 01:25:24 PM: I would also swap Ireland for Palacios
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:26:38 PM: Quote from: mazrimsbruv on January 16, 2013, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
Quote

You're just gong to be even more disappointed when none of the above happens. Stop torturing yourselves.
That rings a bell.

He should get an award for that post. ;)

The chimes I've heard that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:27:29 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 16, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
Does anyone know is the "We don't announce transfers after 2pm" urban legend or does AVFC really work like that?

It's true. 2pm on the 1st of January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2013, 01:31:53 PM: I'd swap ireland for a mars bar, could tell Dunne he could have the mars bar if he manages to last 90 minutes 10 times this season, might work and would be more value to us than Ireland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 16, 2013, 01:33:18 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 16, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
Does anyone know is the "We don't announce transfers after 2pm" urban legend or does AVFC really work like that?

It's true. 2pm on the 1st of January.

I can hear hint of sarcasm in your reply...I asked because you can never tell since it's AVFC :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 01:49:54 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

To my mind, we always look better defensively when he plays. Sure, he's made the odd ricket and had better games than others, but we paid £6m and that's what you get for that price. In our present predicament, he would make a massive difference.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 16, 2013, 02:02:29 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

To my mind, we always look better defensively when he plays. Sure, he's made the odd ricket and had better games than others, but we paid £6m and that's what you get for that price. In our present predicament, he would make a massive difference.

Dunne is a £6m defender for about 89 minutes every game. For the other minute he's Rick the pie eater who plays for the dog and duck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fergal on January 16, 2013, 02:10:20 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 16, 2013, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 16, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
Does anyone know is the "We don't announce transfers after 2pm" urban legend or does AVFC really work like that?

It's true. 2pm on the 1st of January.
I think that we only sign players at the end of the transfer window to save on a months wages....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 02:13:17 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 16, 2013, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

To my mind, we always look better defensively when he plays. Sure, he's made the odd ricket and had better games than others, but we paid £6m and that's what you get for that price. In our present predicament, he would make a massive difference.

Dunne is a £6m defender for about 89 minutes every game. For the other minute he's Rick the pie eater who plays for the dog and duck.

I think you've said the same as I've just said.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 16, 2013, 02:13:43 PM: Despite our transfer history and knowing we drag our feet, I am absolutely bloody staggered that we have reached 16 January without at least 1 loan signing, given the predicament we are in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 02:17:33 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 16, 2013, 02:13:43 PM
Despite our transfer history and knowing we drag our feet, I am absolutely bloody staggered that we have reached 16 January without at least 1 loan signing, given the predicament we are in.

Bradford don't want to loan any of their players out until they know whether they are in the final.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 02:18:07 PM: If you want to do business before the last minute you have to leave a few brown paper bags somewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2013, 02:21:43 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

To my mind, we always look better defensively when he plays. Sure, he's made the odd ricket and had better games than others, but we paid £6m and that's what you get for that price. In our present predicament, he would make a massive difference.

Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all crap to varying degrees last season, of that there can be no doubt. However, the defence this season has been absolutely atrocious, the worst I've ever seen, so when you go for more than half a season conceding two goals a game on average, it's only natural that people get desperate to fix it by whatever means possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 02:28:30 PM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 16, 2013, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: nick harper on January 16, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

To my mind, we always look better defensively when he plays. Sure, he's made the odd ricket and had better games than others, but we paid £6m and that's what you get for that price. In our present predicament, he would make a massive difference.

Dunne, Warnock and Hutton were all crap to varying degrees last season, of that there can be no doubt. However, the defence this season has been absolutely atrocious, the worst I've ever seen, so when you go for more than half a season conceding two goals a game on average, it's only natural that people get desperate to fix it by whatever means possible.

I'll give you the other two but I don't recall Dunne being crap last season. In fact, our defensive performances deteriorated after he injured his shoulder against Man City and he made a difference when he came back at the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 16, 2013, 02:32:25 PM: I suppose having his carcass on the pitch means there is less goal to aim for
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2013, 02:54:41 PM: Dunne coming back isn't going to be something to save us. Not because he is a bad player, but because he is a player who needs to be playing in a specific way.

If you are playing a deep defence and playing counter-attacking football then he's great. He can just sit there and head everything away that arrives. It's why he was great for O'Neill, is often great for Ireland and looked perfectly fine when he he played under McLeish.

When you try to play a more open, passing game then it's not something he is comfortable with because he is higher up the pitch. He needs to rely on pace and reading rather than instinct and strength. Hence why he couldn't cope under Houllier and why he won't manage under Lambert unless we change the way we play.

Incidentally, the above is the reason that I don't see the point in buying Hangeland (or to a lesser extent Dawson). He was great under Hughes and Hodgson who played deep, but as soon as Jol came in he looks poor. And unless we're planning on changing the way we play to suit one or two people (which Lambert hasn't shown any signs of doing yet), then there isn't really any point bringing him in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 03:18:04 PM: Frankly Dunne whether we're playing a system that suits him or not cannot help but improve our defence at the moment. It has been absolutely horrific and experience is vital to improving it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 03:19:06 PM: Another day and noone signed or close to being signed by the looks of it. We're approaching another crucial game and it doesn't look like our issues are being addressed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: remy on January 16, 2013, 03:27:21 PM: Is it going to take a hammering by the Stripes for the deafening clamour from the Villa fans to make Lambert just go all out on survival player-buying? As nothing seems to be happening and "we are sticking to what we have" line we need to make a noise !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 16, 2013, 04:00:36 PM: I must admit, the combination of Lambert's grand plan for staying up being 'I just think we will', lack of transfer activity and other clubs strengthening is making me think we really are doomed. Can't believe that next year Stoke, Norwich and Swansea will be in the Prem and Aston Fucking Villa will be in the Championship. It just feels wrong. I know no one has a god given right, but still...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 16, 2013, 04:18:57 PM: Quote from: remy on January 16, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
Is it going to take a hammering by the Stripes for the deafening clamour from the Villa fans to make Lambert just go all out on survival player-buying? As nothing seems to be happening and "we are sticking to what we have" line we need to make a noise !!
If we get a hammering from the Stripes I hope it's not Lambert doing the buying
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 16, 2013, 04:30:54 PM: If WBA hammer us he will walk I think ....

First managerial job he was on a poor run at Livingstone and quit when relized he couldn't do anything to halt the slide
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 04:33:22 PM: Stop this sickening defeatism. It's grating now. Any more of this and you'll wake up with a Tesco Value Beefburger on your pillow.
We're obviously going through a shit time but its only half way through and its all to play for.
Find some nerve.

And if you can't find some nerve then find some gallows humour or Smiths puns.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 16, 2013, 04:40:44 PM: Spot on Maz..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 16, 2013, 04:44:07 PM: Takes me back to the 'Doc's' days it does....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 16, 2013, 04:47:32 PM: and if we go down , we go down and build again . apparently there is life outside the premiership ?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 16, 2013, 04:59:38 PM: Quote from: mike on January 16, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
I must admit, the combination of Lambert's grand plan for staying up being 'I just think we will', lack of transfer activity and other clubs strengthening is making me think we really are doomed. Can't believe that next year Stoke, Norwich and Swansea will be in the Prem and Aston Fucking Villa will be in the Championship. It just feels wrong. I know no one has a god given right, but still...

Yep, sums it up. Those teams have better squads than ours as is borne out by the League Table. Lerner is a complete disaster. The bastard bought up all my shares in 2006! As a sole shareholder he is a disgrace and not worthy as a custodian of OUR great club! That's it Randy, keep sleep-walking us towards the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 16, 2013, 05:18:17 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 16, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: mike on January 16, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
I must admit, the combination of Lambert's grand plan for staying up being 'I just think we will', lack of transfer activity and other clubs strengthening is making me think we really are doomed. Can't believe that next year Stoke, Norwich and Swansea will be in the Prem and Aston Fucking Villa will be in the Championship. It just feels wrong. I know no one has a god given right, but still...

Yep, sums it up. Those teams have better squads than ours as is borne out by the League Table. Lerner is a complete disaster. The bastard bought up all my shares in 2006! As a sole shareholder he is a disgrace and not worthy as a custodian of OUR great club! That's it Randy, keep sleep-walking us towards the Championship.

Agreed, Mr Lerner has caused most of our problems with his decisions/leadership..
Obviously he never ment to do the damage he's caused but we can't hide the fact that were a poorly led club...
I don't dislike Mr Lerner or wish bad of him but I do hope he decides to put the club up for sale otherwise I can see things turning ugly...
I'm sure Mr Lerner would make a tidy profit from selling the club, it might take awhile to find a buyer but I'm willing to give him time so he doesn't get ripped off, but I do want him to sell..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 16, 2013, 05:18:26 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 16, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
Stop this sickening defeatism. It's grating now. Any more of this and you'll wake up with a Tesco Value Beefburger on your pillow.
We're obviously going through a shit time but its only half way through and its all to play for.
Find some nerve.

And if you can't find some nerve then find some gallows humour or Smiths puns.

Charming I must say. What difference would it make?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on January 16, 2013, 05:30:31 PM: I think we need to try and remember the games we have left, yes we are in deep trouble and I blame Lerner and Faulkner for this slide into abstract mediocrity and farce but as supporters we have to influence the team in as positive way as possible.

I know we are a laughing stock in this league right now but on Saturday we were so quiet that the Saints bossed the game on and off the pitch.

It is hard for the players to keep their heads up as it is without them looking around to see us all silent and tense only making noises of disapproval when one of our shell shocked lambs misplaces a kick.

Next game can we as supporters show some gallows humour and grit and start standing up for our club. Sing for 90 minutes if you can until your throat is sore at least then we can all say that we did our bit and if you want to critisise then I think it has to be the chairman that gets it full force and not the current crop of staff on the pitch and touchline.

I am still awaiting the first 'Where the f$$$ is Randy Lerner, whilst the Villa go Marching Down!' chant from the Holte but when it comes I know it will be deafening. He needs to feel the pressure that we are feeling and that of the Manager who is fighting with both hands tied behind his back.

The only question is when do we turn to the Directors box and let him know exactly what we think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 16, 2013, 05:44:02 PM: Mr Lerner, Mr Lambert WAKE UP and get some quality and experience in before it is too fecking late !!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 16, 2013, 05:48:23 PM: Is it already too late?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 16, 2013, 05:48:53 PM: I remain optimistic that we will bring at least two players in. Simply because Lerner can afford it, Lambert must surely accept we will go down without strengthening, and the alternative would most likely be football, and by extension business, suicide.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 16, 2013, 05:51:28 PM: Hope they get their skates on as no signings means another game (Wba) where a result is plausible passes us by with us fielding a shit team. This game and Newcastle need to see some points on the board as failure to beat Wigan and Southampton and the other teams around is going to send us down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ez on January 16, 2013, 06:03:16 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 16, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
If WBA hammer us he will walk I think ....

First managerial job he was on a poor run at Livingstone and quit when relized he couldn't do anything to halt the slide
Doubt it, but if we lose at home to Bradford then he will probably offer his resignation. Once, we can put down to 'one of those games', but twice?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: steamer on January 16, 2013, 06:10:36 PM: We are all excited , anxious and pissed off about our position and seeming lack of activity.
I do not see many options other than keeping the faith and hope that deals are in motion, I agree with the sentiments about planning in advance but I think that it has become very complex with agents etc.
If we have not done anything at the end of the window, then it is the time for the $$$$$$$ signs and protests.
I also think our PR (NON EXISTENT) and club communication is crap, Randy is beginning to lose support because he is not talking.
If there is a casualty (apart from us fans) it should be Faulkener, we need some one who knows football and preferably the Villa in this role.
Here is hoping that my next scan of "news now" cheers me up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 16, 2013, 07:20:07 PM: I cheered myself up a little bit today with a chat to an Arsenal fan. He knows his football having been a lower leagues player until a knee injury caused early retirement so I respect his judgement. I said I would like to see us sign Frimpong but that we had no chance of prising him away. Surprisingly my friend commented that he expects to see "Ping Pong" (what they call him not me) leave in this window because he is something of a problem. So maybe we could get Frimpong and a central defender for Bent going the other way
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 16, 2013, 07:30:05 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

No that's Nigel Reo Coker & some people still believe he is the answer to our midfield problems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 16, 2013, 07:31:00 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 16, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
I cheered myself up a little bit today with a chat to an Arsenal fan. He knows his football having been a lower leagues player until a knee injury caused early retirement so I respect his judgement. I said I would like to see us sign Frimpong but that we had no chance of prising him away. Surprisingly my friend commented that he expects to see "Ping Pong" (what they call him not me) leave in this window because he is something of a problem. So maybe we could get Frimpong and a central defender for Bent going the other way

But don't we want solutions not more problems?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 07:41:48 PM: Heard we're the un-named prem team who've offered a 6 month loan deal for M'Vila. Obviously Fulham and QPR have offered cold hard cash (Doh!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 16, 2013, 07:43:41 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 16, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 16, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
Can i just remind everyone that Dunne is shit. Utter shit.
Dunne is this seasons Cuellar, when he's out of the team everyone thinks we miss him and he was amazing. As soon as he is in the team everyone fucking moans.

No that's Nigel Reo Coker & some people still believe he is the answer to our midfield problems.

Absobloodylutely, agree totally and about Cuellar..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 16, 2013, 07:57:43 PM: Yeah, let's sign NRC a man so good that the mighty Ipswich (a worse shambles than us!) haven't offered him an extension.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 08:01:07 PM: Ipswich offered him a deal till the end of the season that he rejected
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 08:06:12 PM: You never know, we might have another Bent moment up our sleeve. Maybe signing both or the Toulouse midfield at once to sort us out completely, or have something lined up that will be of real galvanising note.

Straws, straws, I need more....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 16, 2013, 08:07:13 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
Ipswich offered him a deal till the end of the season that he rejected

He's probably expecting a Champions League club to come in for him again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:09:50 PM: WTF is this obsession with NRC? I give you a ITK and your STILL wittering on about some bloke who couldn't hold down a place in the days of Sidwell
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 16, 2013, 08:13:26 PM: Sorry Greg. I was very keen on M'Vila a few years back but he's not done as well recently. Still the kind of player we need, but if what you say is true we don't have much chance of getting a deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 16, 2013, 08:14:38 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
WTF is this obsession with NRC? I give you a ITK and your STILL wittering on about some bloke who couldn't hold down a place in the days of Sidwell

*chortle*

That's got to warrant a facepalm, doesn't it Greg? :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:16:59 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 16, 2013, 08:13:26 PM
Sorry Greg. I was very keen on M'Vila a few years back but he's not done as well recently. Still the kind of player we need, but if what you say is true we don't have much chance of getting a deal.

Things could change. On the bbc site just now its states he's not too keen on QPR because of their position. Obviously we're not much better off but still
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:19:50 PM: Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on January 16, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
WTF is this obsession with NRC? I give you a ITK and your STILL wittering on about some bloke who couldn't hold down a place in the days of Sidwell

*chortle*

That's got to warrant a facepalm, doesn't it Greg? :-)

Well i ask you. we're not even linked to the dufus.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 16, 2013, 08:28:42 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on January 16, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
WTF is this obsession with NRC? I give you a ITK and your STILL wittering on about some bloke who couldn't hold down a place in the days of Sidwell

*chortle*

That's got to warrant a facepalm, doesn't it Greg? :-)

Well i ask you. we're not even linked to the dufus.

I hear you Greg
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hadley83 on January 16, 2013, 08:32:34 PM: Maybe Lambert has seen enough of Dunne to think You're the one for me,Fatty. Just seen on twitter (so probably unreliable) that we are linked with Etienne Capoue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 16, 2013, 08:59:43 PM: Dunne is not this seasons Cuellar, Carlos never actually did anything to warrant his 'best defender at the club' status.

But Dunne, I think we can all agree played a massive part in us staying up last season when he came back from injury towards the end of the season, we need him.

Hangeland, Frimpong, NRC and Rise and a loan, either free or cheap due to only 6 months left on their contracts, why not?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 16, 2013, 09:00:42 PM: Very worrying to see QPR strengthening while we dither in the transfer market. I'm trying to convince myself we are biding our time to get the right players, but knowing Lerner and co he has no intention of getting anyone other than a couple of more lower league kids.
Prove me wrong Lerner!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 16, 2013, 09:00:53 PM: Quote from: Hadley83 on January 16, 2013, 08:32:34 PM
Maybe Lambert has seen enough of Dunne to think You're the one for me,Fatty. Just seen on twitter (so probably unreliable) that we are linked with Etienne Capoue.
Never heard of him. Info anybody ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 16, 2013, 09:03:06 PM: Plays for Toulose, defensive mid, few caps for France. Seems a good player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2013, 09:07:02 PM: He is a bigger, stronger, more defensive Sissoko from what I have seen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 09:07:48 PM: We really need to get our skates on and start strengthening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2013, 09:17:58 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 09:07:48 PM
We really need to get our skates on and start strengthening.

Is that a Smiths b-side?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 16, 2013, 09:19:42 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2013, 09:07:48 PM
We really need to get our skates on and start strengthening.

We needed to do that 17 days ago, now it is a case of throwing bodies in the save our club from relegation. Still no action. I wonder if the club have just given up?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 16, 2013, 09:20:33 PM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 16, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
Plays for Toulose, defensive mid, few caps for France. Seems a good player.
Ta muchly
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM: Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 09:27:22 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 16, 2013, 09:00:42 PM
Very worrying to see QPR strengthening while we dither in the transfer market. I'm trying to convince myself we are biding our time to get the right players, but knowing Lerner and co he has no intention of getting anyone other than a couple of more lower league kids.
Prove me wrong Lerner!

Aye. Thought since he arrived that redknapp see's us as the club they have to overhaul to stay up. Not sure even finishing above us will save them mind, but fairplay for having a go. We on the other hand, seem to have written off re-inforcements for January's fixtures.........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 16, 2013, 09:30:14 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.
First on the team sheet every week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 16, 2013, 09:32:00 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.

I wouldn't put it past us to sign another nobody from the lower leagues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 16, 2013, 09:32:43 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.

I don't think he's for sale. They're too attached to him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 16, 2013, 09:34:45 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.

Jism.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 16, 2013, 09:34:58 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 16, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.

I don't think he's for sale. They're too attached to him.
Maybe he'd hold our midfield together.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Reuben on January 16, 2013, 09:54:19 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.
I think there is a customer service assistant called Stuart in the Nottingham branch of Staples. Might be an advance on some of our squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CAitken on January 16, 2013, 10:00:17 PM: He could sort out a diet for Dunne. I'll get my coat!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ChrissyPrice on January 16, 2013, 10:09:45 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on January 16, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 09:26:14 PM
Somebody on Twitter said we're interested in Stuart Staples from Nottingham.

Jism.

Milky teeth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 16, 2013, 10:11:29 PM: I am noy one to usally panic but ffs, have we shown any signs at all of strengtening our squad? Or are we just going to leave it as it is and just accept our fate. Bloody hell Villa, what is going on at our club ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2013, 10:18:54 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 16, 2013, 12:00:57 PM
That's really sad about Michael Johnson, I hope he can slay his demons

Amazing how much he as changed. Watching him on BBC commentating on Olympics he was full of colour and quite athletic now he just looks pale and fat!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 16, 2013, 10:20:07 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 16, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
I am noy one to usally panic but ffs, have we shown any signs at all of strengtening our squad? Or are we just going to leave it as it is and just accept our fate. Bloody hell Villa, what is going on at our club ?

Not a great deal is the answer to that one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 16, 2013, 10:44:51 PM: Alan Nixon of the Mirror suggesting we 'may' hijack Fulhams (yes, them again) bid for Derek Boateng who will be apparently twiddling his thumbs and kicking his heels after being released by someone you wouldn't care about.

Sigh.

Edit : Link to story.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-may-hijack-fulhams-1538080
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2013, 10:51:50 PM: The same article says that we're after Reo-Coker. They're obviously going for the scatter gun approach again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 16, 2013, 11:02:09 PM: Stuart Staples is happy to stay at Tindersticks evidently, bloody Twitter.

Any truth in the rumour on Twitter that we're after somebody who used to be in Elastica? Not one of the lasses, it's the bloke I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 16, 2013, 11:12:00 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on January 16, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 16, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
WTF is this obsession with NRC? I give you a ITK and your STILL wittering on about some bloke who couldn't hold down a place in the days of Sidwell

*chortle*

That's got to warrant a facepalm, doesn't it Greg? :-)

Well i ask you. we're not even linked to the dufus.

Tell him try your best jest to make it quick
Whom attend to the sick
'Cause there must be something he can do
This heart is broken in two
Tell him it's a case of emergency
There's a patient by the name of Gregory

Night nurse
Only you alone can quench this transfer thirst
My night nurse,
Oh the pain it's getting worse :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 12:14:14 AM: Staples lacks movement. He's a little stationery.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 17, 2013, 04:29:52 AM: I've seen Etienne Capoue's name popping up..?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 17, 2013, 06:22:09 AM: I'd be less than rivetted by the Staples transfer story
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 17, 2013, 06:25:10 AM: Nailed on gun player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 17, 2013, 07:57:22 AM: We've got little chance of Capoue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 08:01:55 AM: I have it on good authority that Lambert has pencilled in Staples as a target during this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on January 17, 2013, 08:08:54 AM: Capoue or Sissoko, either will do. I think Sissoko with his pace could really add something extra to the midfield; at the same time Capoue is a proper defensive mid. Can't see Toulouse getting rid of them both this window though unless they are both out of contract in June.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 17, 2013, 08:36:47 AM: Day 17 of the transfer window or "Holiday" as Randy likes to call it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2013, 08:51:14 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 17, 2013, 08:36:47 AM
Day 17 of the transfer window or "Holiday" as Randy likes to call it.

Or ''Vacation''? He's due back on 01.02.2013.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 09:07:17 AM: Villa please do something, I find it amazing that we appear to just be drifting towards the end of the window while our rivals are either signing players to try and address their issues or picking up form and points.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 17, 2013, 09:27:11 AM: Aston Villa are boring the shit out of me lately. I dislike the club so fucking much at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 17, 2013, 09:58:20 AM: I recall in the days of MON, how certain posters used to get their knickers in a major twist because of how late in the window we seemed to do business. My attitude then was that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as we get the right man/men in.

Fast forward to this window and for once, I share in people's exasperation of not doing business as quick as possible. Every point could be crucial, as well as the chance of getting into the League Cup final. We already missed a chance against Southampton of picking up some valuable points. West Brom are on the ropes a little after a good start. If we had a new signing or two to freshen things up I think we could take them. It doesn't look like this is going to happen though. So who is to blame?

I'm sure others have noticed that Sunderland have been quick out of the blocks this window and made signings. This leads me to wonder whether it was Randy and his cohorts style of doing business that meant signings didn't happen until the last minute. People like to think they know the goings on behind the scenes, but on the face of it, it looks possible that both MON and Lambert may well have put forward players to be signed, but our board is too inept to get the business done promptly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 09:59:24 AM: Only explanation for the delay I can think of, is we're on such a tight budget that we're having to haggle over the price and the target's clubs are waiting to see if they get a better offer. Its been shown already that if you have the money, you can get the players in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 10:02:03 AM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 17, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
I recall in the days of MON, how certain posters used to get their knickers in a major twist because of how late in the window we seemed to do business. My attitude then was that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as we get the right man/men in.

Fast forward to this window and for once, I share in people's exasperation of not doing business as quick as possible. Every point could be crucial, as well as the chance of getting into the League Cup final. We already missed a chance against Southampton of picking up some valuable points. West Brom are on the ropes a little after a good start. If we had a new signing or two to freshen things up I think we could take them. It doesn't look like this is going to happen though. So who is to blame?

I'm sure others have noticed that Sunderland have been quick out of the blocks this window and made signings. This leads me to wonder whether it was Randy and his cohorts style of doing business that meant signings didn't happen until the last minute. People like to think they know the goings on behind the scenes, but on the face of it, it looks possible that both MON and Lambert may well have put forward players to be signed, but our board is too inept to get the business done promptly.

I think MON had a reputation for doing late deals at Celtic as well, didn't he? Plus Lambert's summer deals were more evenly spread out with the usual small flurry towards the end of the window.

The fact we haven't anyone in yet says to me there's not as much money as we all hoped would be available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 17, 2013, 10:06:09 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 08:01:55 AM
I have it on good authority that Lambert has pencilled in Staples as a target during this window.

Will be good to have him back in the fold.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 17, 2013, 10:16:20 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: jonzy85 on January 17, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
I recall in the days of MON, how certain posters used to get their knickers in a major twist because of how late in the window we seemed to do business. My attitude then was that it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as we get the right man/men in.

Fast forward to this window and for once, I share in people's exasperation of not doing business as quick as possible. Every point could be crucial, as well as the chance of getting into the League Cup final. We already missed a chance against Southampton of picking up some valuable points. West Brom are on the ropes a little after a good start. If we had a new signing or two to freshen things up I think we could take them. It doesn't look like this is going to happen though. So who is to blame?

I'm sure others have noticed that Sunderland have been quick out of the blocks this window and made signings. This leads me to wonder whether it was Randy and his cohorts style of doing business that meant signings didn't happen until the last minute. People like to think they know the goings on behind the scenes, but on the face of it, it looks possible that both MON and Lambert may well have put forward players to be signed, but our board is too inept to get the business done promptly.

I think MON had a reputation for doing late deals at Celtic as well, didn't he? Plus Lambert's summer deals were more evenly spread out with the usual small flurry towards the end of the window.

The fact we haven't anyone in yet says to me there's not as much money as we all hoped would be available.
I don't think there is any money available judging by the current inactivity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 10:18:24 AM: HMV going under was a blow. Lerner had stockpiled the gift vouchers as signing-on fee's
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 17, 2013, 10:22:02 AM: Capable of playing a holding role in the middle, but also has good penetration down both sides.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 17, 2013, 10:26:38 AM: It's like the fat boy in Benidorm - not a sniff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 11:19:01 AM: Make of it what you will:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-may-hijack-fulhams-1538080?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert may hijack Fulham’s bid for Derek Boateng.

The 29-year-old defensive midfielder, a Ghana international, is available to leave FC Dnipro in Ukraine this month.

Boateng has had talks and a medical over a switch to Fulham, pending a work permit, but Villa are considering a late move.

Lambert has admitted he wants a new holding midfielder to protect his leaky defence and has turned down a return to Villa for free-agent Nigel Reo-Coker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 11:34:04 AM: Tick tock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2013, 11:39:09 AM: From what I remember Boateng was 1 of the 3 man midfield (with Annan and Asamoah) for Ghana at the world cup. From what I remember all 3 looked very good players in that tournament so, if I'm thinking of the right person, I wouldn't be upset by that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 11:43:04 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 11:19:01 AM
Make of it what you will:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-may-hijack-fulhams-1538080?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert may hijack Fulham’s bid for Derek Boateng.

The 29-year-old defensive midfielder, a Ghana international, is available to leave FC Dnipro in Ukraine this month.

Boateng has had talks and a medical over a switch to Fulham, pending a work permit, but Villa are considering a late move.

Lambert has admitted he wants a new holding midfielder to protect his leaky defence and has turned down a return to Villa for free-agent Nigel Reo-Coker.

Was posted last night , load of bolloocks i suggest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 17, 2013, 11:51:07 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 11:19:01 AM
Make of it what you will:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfers-aston-villa-may-hijack-fulhams-1538080?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert may hijack Fulham’s bid for Derek Boateng.

The 29-year-old defensive midfielder, a Ghana international, is available to leave FC Dnipro in Ukraine this month.

Boateng has had talks and a medical over a switch to Fulham, pending a work permit, but Villa are considering a late move.

Lambert has admitted he wants a new holding midfielder to protect his leaky defence and has turned down a return to Villa for free-agent Nigel Reo-Coker.

Was posted last night , load of bolloocks i suggest.

Yeah, not been mentioned on Twitter, must be horse shit. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 17, 2013, 12:35:05 PM: SO depressing when you don't log in for an hour and see that this thread is still on 344 pages. You know straight away that we definitely haven't signed anybody since you last logged in :-(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 17, 2013, 12:54:56 PM: Boateng is off to the ACON so if we did get him we couldn't play for the best part of a month.Long term might be a good buy but we need players that can perform ASAP
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2013, 12:57:39 PM: I see that Salifou is in the Togo squad but listed as "Unattached"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 01:00:12 PM: No woman can tame the Togolese Zidane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 17, 2013, 01:05:38 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 01:00:12 PM
No woman can tame the Togolese Zidane.

It's a cracker!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 01:33:48 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 17, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Boateng is off to the ACON so if we did get him we couldn't play for the best part of a month.Long term might be a good buy but we need players that can perform ASAP

He needs to be going to that tournament AND injured to be on our list of potential targets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 01:46:16 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 17, 2013, 12:54:56 PM
Boateng is off to the ACON so if we did get him we couldn't play for the best part of a month.Long term might be a good buy but we need players that can perform ASAP

He needs to be going to that tournament AND injured to be on our list of potential targets.

I take it dc5 that you have heard the same as me regarding the lack of activity?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 17, 2013, 01:53:21 PM: Fuck all happening I take it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2013, 01:54:36 PM: Nothing overt happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 02:00:00 PM: Once again the silence from Villa Park is deafening, as it has been for the last few years. They really do not have a clue about PR, I'm not expecting them to come out and tell us who they're going to sign but some sort of message to suggest there is a plan in place would be appreciated. At the moment the only thing for supporters is to look at our rivals improving as we continue to dive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM: I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 02:09:09 PM: Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.

Prior to Chelsea we were doing OK with the players we had, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.

We'd need Vlaar and/or Dunne to be fully fit for the rest of the season and to somehow get the midfield ticking again. Some problems can be addressed on the training pitch just as well as they can in the transfer market.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 17, 2013, 02:37:18 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
Once again the silence from Villa Park is deafening, as it has been for the last few years. They really do not have a clue about PR, I'm not expecting them to come out and tell us who they're going to sign but some sort of message to suggest there is a plan in place would be appreciated. At the moment the only thing for supporters is to look at our rivals improving as we continue to dive.

Nah, what would that do, really?

We don't need a message saying they're trying to sign players (clubs never do that), we just need them to actually sign some players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:37:58 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.

Prior to Chelsea we were doing OK with the players we had, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.

We'd need Vlaar and/or Dunne to be fully fit for the rest of the season and to somehow get the midfield ticking again. Some problems can be addressed on the training pitch just as well as they can in the transfer market.

Prior to chelsea we were in the bottom 6 with 3 away wins and 3 home wins in the previous 12 months - hardly doing ok .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2013, 02:38:20 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 17, 2013, 01:53:21 PM
Fuck all happening I take it?

Repeat until 31.01.2013......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM: Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2013, 02:40:12 PM: Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.

No chance! Only our deluded board think it's possible by not spending.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:44:46 PM: Quote from: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....

Congratulations on being the 1000th person today to tell that joke - you have won a prize!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 17, 2013, 03:04:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....

Congratulations on being the 1000th person today to tell that joke - you have won a prize!
Not furlong. I will pip him to the post. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2013, 03:10:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.

Prior to Chelsea we were doing OK with the players we had, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.

We'd need Vlaar and/or Dunne to be fully fit for the rest of the season and to somehow get the midfield ticking again. Some problems can be addressed on the training pitch just as well as they can in the transfer market.

Prior to chelsea we were in the bottom 6 with 3 away wins and 3 home wins in the previous 12 months - hardly doing ok .

Seeing as the question was can we stay up and we weren't in the bottom 3 at that point I'd say we were doing ok is a fairly accurate statement, as in we were doing an OK job of staying out of the bottom 3.

For what it's worth I personally think 1 signing would be enough to keep us safe so long as the injury problems clear up and the signing is the right one.

Regarding messages from the club, I've seen things from Paul Lambert 3-4 times in the last fortnight saying that he's trying to get a couple in, is that not a message from the club to say we're trying to sign some players, that doesn't say anything specific (which you've said would be ok).

I only say it because I've read the "we've heard nothing from from the club" line a fair few times and it's clearly not true, we've heard that he wants to get a couple in, but that players like Lescott and Parker are unlikely.

Just because you don't like the communication they've given doesn't mean there's been no communication. Likewise if you think what they've said and what they're doing aren't the same thing no amount of comments from the club are going to make you happy as it's only when they make signings that it will actually prove you wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 03:25:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....

Congratulations on being the 1000th person today to tell that joke - you have won a prize!

In fairness he is the first person to tell it in the transfer thread!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 03:26:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: Eugene Fraxby on January 17, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised by our lack of transfer activity.

Does anyone think we can stay up without at least 2, posssibly 3 signings?

Urgh.

Prior to Chelsea we were doing OK with the players we had, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.

We'd need Vlaar and/or Dunne to be fully fit for the rest of the season and to somehow get the midfield ticking again. Some problems can be addressed on the training pitch just as well as they can in the transfer market.

Prior to chelsea we were in the bottom 6 with 3 away wins and 3 home wins in the previous 12 months - hardly doing ok .

We were never going to be challenging for Europe this season, so given that we were clear of trouble and looked to be improving, I'd class that as 'doing ok'!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 17, 2013, 03:39:06 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....

Congratulations on being the 1000th person today to tell that joke - you have won a prize!

In fairness he is the first person to tell it in the transfer thread!

And it still made me laugh. Well done that man.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:43:32 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 17, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on January 17, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Ive just checked the burgers in my fridge.

And they're off.....

Congratulations on being the 1000th person today to tell that joke - you have won a prize!

In fairness he is the first person to tell it in the transfer thread!

In a mood coz i was asked if i wanted anything on my burger and said a fiver each way - still lost.
Fair enough, i will trot off to see if theres any news on the mirror website.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM: Latest from nursey-

Paul Lambert is starting to come under attack from frustrated Aston Villa fans but owner Randy Lerner is not about to be panicked into a rash sacking.

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

Yet now with Villa in the relegation zone and on the verge of a possible embarrassing Capital One Cup exit to League Two Bradford, many are demanding his head.

I am not for one moment suggesting these are anything other than very worrying times for the club after a home defeat to Southampton saw Villa slide to 18th.

Combined with improvements at QPR and Reading, some supporters now fear Villa are destined for the drop.

But owner Lerner still trusts the capable manager he recruited from Norwich in the summer and so should fans.

Lerner has never sacked a full-time manager in the midst of a season since buying the club in 2006.

And I cannot see him pulling the trigger now.

Who better out there is realistically available to improve the situation?

Roberto Di Matteo? Well he does have a house locally in Leamington and has won the Champions League but is he the man for a relegation fight? West Brom didn’t think so!

What Villa need is stability and continuity which they have not had since Martin O’Neill quit and Lambert simply needs more time.

The squad and dressing room are behind Lambert – not least because he has given most of them their breakthrough or a run in the side.

There are mitigating factors behind Villa’s disappointing fortunes this term but Lerner appreciates Lambert has tried to follow his mandate to sell big earners and minimise wages of new players.

I believe Lambert’s decision to go for young, hungry, cheaper players from abroad and the lower leagues was as much a matter of necessity for the club ahead of financial fair play, as his preferred policy.

Yes Villa have a young, inexperienced side but Ron Vlaar should return at The Hawthorns on Saturday, which will be a big boost to the club’s porous defence.

Post-match after the Southampton loss, Saints striker Rickie Lambert predicted Villa would survive as they have too much quality.

He said he felt Villa would string together four or five wins to secure their top-flight status and I agree.

But time is running out for senior creative stars like Gabriel Agbonlahor, Charles N’Zogbia and Stephen Ireland to now FINALLY step up and deliver consistently.

N’Zogbia scored ten goals two seasons ago and finished the campaign in brilliant fashion to help keep Wigan up and how Villa need him now to repeat that form.

Lambert’s Norwich side, who secured two successive promotions, traditionally finished the season strongly and Villa are aiming to do the same.

Lambert’s predecessor Alex McLeish struggled to ascertain what Villa’s best side was as so many players were frequently under-performing.

His successor has had the same problem but is getting closer to working out his best formation with Villa’s new 4-2-3-1 shape appearing so far best suited to utilise their raft of attacking options like Christian Benteke, Andreas Weimann, Darren Bent, N’Zogbia and Agbonlahor.

Allied with the return of Vlaar and two or three additions this month at centre-back, left-back and centre-midfield, Villa should become much more solid and I believe results will pick up.

Next Tuesday’s cup match is also clearly crucial.

The momentum and feel-good factor engendered by Villa coming from behind to beat Bradford, who lead 3-1 from the first leg, would lift the whole club.

And I reckon it would have a knock-on effect in the League, where Villa then have some potentially winnable matches against the likes of Newcastle and West Ham.

So these are two crunch games coming up against West Brom and then Bradford.

A draw and a win would leave Villa looking well placed to kick on and survive – and possibly even win the Capital One Cup too, if they play Swansea at Wembley.

It is a scenario Lambert remains hopeful of and if he pulls it off he will reap the rewards of playing such a young side as they will surely improve next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 17, 2013, 03:51:34 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Paul Lambert is starting to come under attack from frustrated Aston Villa fans but owner Randy Lerner is not about to be panicked into a rash sacking.

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

Yet now with Villa in the relegation zone and on the verge of a possible embarrassing Capital One Cup exit to League Two Bradford, many are demanding his head.

I am not for one moment suggesting these are anything other than very worrying times for the club after a home defeat to Southampton saw Villa slide to 18th.

Combined with improvements at QPR and Reading, some supporters now fear Villa are destined for the drop.

But owner Lerner still trusts the capable manager he recruited from Norwich in the summer and so should fans.

Lerner has never sacked a full-time manager in the midst of a season since buying the club in 2006.

And I cannot see him pulling the trigger now.

Who better out there is realistically available to improve the situation?

Roberto Di Matteo? Well he does have a house locally in Leamington and has won the Champions League but is he the man for a relegation fight? West Brom didn’t think so!

What Villa need is stability and continuity which they have not had since Martin O’Neill quit and Lambert simply needs more time.

The squad and dressing room are behind Lambert – not least because he has given most of them their breakthrough or a run in the side.

There are mitigating factors behind Villa’s disappointing fortunes this term but Lerner appreciates Lambert has tried to follow his mandate to sell big earners and minimise wages of new players.

I believe Lambert’s decision to go for young, hungry, cheaper players from abroad and the lower leagues was as much a matter of necessity for the club ahead of financial fair play, as his preferred policy.

Yes Villa have a young, inexperienced side but Ron Vlaar should return at The Hawthorns on Saturday, which will be a big boost to the club’s porous defence.

Post-match after the Southampton loss, Saints striker Rickie Lambert predicted Villa would survive as they have too much quality.

He said he felt Villa would string together four or five wins to secure their top-flight status and I agree.

But time is running out for senior creative stars like Gabriel Agbonlahor, Charles N’Zogbia and Stephen Ireland to now FINALLY step up and deliver consistently.

N’Zogbia scored ten goals two seasons ago and finished the campaign in brilliant fashion to help keep Wigan up and how Villa need him now to repeat that form.

Lambert’s Norwich side, who secured two successive promotions, traditionally finished the season strongly and Villa are aiming to do the same.

Lambert’s predecessor Alex McLeish struggled to ascertain what Villa’s best side was as so many players were frequently under-performing.

His successor has had the same problem but is getting closer to working out his best formation with Villa’s new 4-2-3-1 shape appearing so far best suited to utilise their raft of attacking options like Christian Benteke, Andreas Weimann, Darren Bent, N’Zogbia and Agbonlahor.

Allied with the return of Vlaar and two or three additions this month at centre-back, left-back and centre-midfield, Villa should become much more solid and I believe results will pick up.

Next Tuesday’s cup match is also clearly crucial.

The momentum and feel-good factor engendered by Villa coming from behind to beat Bradford, who lead 3-1 from the first leg, would lift the whole club.

And I reckon it would have a knock-on effect in the League, where Villa then have some potentially winnable matches against the likes of Newcastle and West Ham.

So these are two crunch games coming up against West Brom and then Bradford.

A draw and a win would leave Villa looking well placed to kick on and survive – and possibly even win the Capital One Cup too, if they play Swansea at Wembley.

It is a scenario Lambert remains hopeful of and if he pulls it off he will reap the rewards of playing such a young side as they will surely improve next season.

The words Gabriel Agbonlahor and creative do not belong together.

Surely a loan player to the end of the season should have been arranged by now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 03:57:54 PM: 'Too much quality to go down' not convinced on that at all. I don't think we have any fight, and we need to bring some quality in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 17, 2013, 04:00:26 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 03:57:54 PM
'Too much quality to go down' not convinced on that at all. I don't think we have any fight, and we need to bring some quality in.

I think you are right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 17, 2013, 04:02:41 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Paul Lambert is starting to come under attack from frustrated Aston Villa fans but owner Randy Lerner is not about to be panicked into a rash sacking.

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

Yet now with Villa in the relegation zone and on the verge of a possible embarrassing Capital One Cup exit to League Two Bradford, many are demanding his head.

I am not for one moment suggesting these are anything other than very worrying times for the club after a home defeat to Southampton saw Villa slide to 18th.

Combined with improvements at QPR and Reading, some supporters now fear Villa are destined for the drop.

But owner Lerner still trusts the capable manager he recruited from Norwich in the summer and so should fans.

Lerner has never sacked a full-time manager in the midst of a season since buying the club in 2006.

And I cannot see him pulling the trigger now.

Who better out there is realistically available to improve the situation?

Roberto Di Matteo? Well he does have a house locally in Leamington and has won the Champions League but is he the man for a relegation fight? West Brom didn’t think so!

What Villa need is stability and continuity which they have not had since Martin O’Neill quit and Lambert simply needs more time.

The squad and dressing room are behind Lambert – not least because he has given most of them their breakthrough or a run in the side.

There are mitigating factors behind Villa’s disappointing fortunes this term but Lerner appreciates Lambert has tried to follow his mandate to sell big earners and minimise wages of new players.

I believe Lambert’s decision to go for young, hungry, cheaper players from abroad and the lower leagues was as much a matter of necessity for the club ahead of financial fair play, as his preferred policy.

Yes Villa have a young, inexperienced side but Ron Vlaar should return at The Hawthorns on Saturday, which will be a big boost to the club’s porous defence.

Post-match after the Southampton loss, Saints striker Rickie Lambert predicted Villa would survive as they have too much quality.

He said he felt Villa would string together four or five wins to secure their top-flight status and I agree.

But time is running out for senior creative stars like Gabriel Agbonlahor, Charles N’Zogbia and Stephen Ireland to now FINALLY step up and deliver consistently.

N’Zogbia scored ten goals two seasons ago and finished the campaign in brilliant fashion to help keep Wigan up and how Villa need him now to repeat that form.

Lambert’s Norwich side, who secured two successive promotions, traditionally finished the season strongly and Villa are aiming to do the same.

Lambert’s predecessor Alex McLeish struggled to ascertain what Villa’s best side was as so many players were frequently under-performing.

His successor has had the same problem but is getting closer to working out his best formation with Villa’s new 4-2-3-1 shape appearing so far best suited to utilise their raft of attacking options like Christian Benteke, Andreas Weimann, Darren Bent, N’Zogbia and Agbonlahor.

Allied with the return of Vlaar and two or three additions this month at centre-back, left-back and centre-midfield, Villa should become much more solid and I believe results will pick up.

Next Tuesday’s cup match is also clearly crucial.

The momentum and feel-good factor engendered by Villa coming from behind to beat Bradford, who lead 3-1 from the first leg, would lift the whole club.

And I reckon it would have a knock-on effect in the League, where Villa then have some potentially winnable matches against the likes of Newcastle and West Ham.

So these are two crunch games coming up against West Brom and then Bradford.

A draw and a win would leave Villa looking well placed to kick on and survive – and possibly even win the Capital One Cup too, if they play Swansea at Wembley.

It is a scenario Lambert remains hopeful of and if he pulls it off he will reap the rewards of playing such a young side as they will surely improve next season.

I honestly think the press have got this wrong about Villa fans calling for Paul Lambert sacking...
Most of the Villa fans I talk to are obviously not happy but their more incline to blame Mr Lerner, I certainly blame Mr Lerner...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 04:09:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

That would be the away following at Norwich which obviously represented many.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: prmort on January 17, 2013, 04:46:45 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

That would be the away following at Norwich which obviously represented many.

I always took that as a dig at TSM, as we had never sung his name, rather than "begging" for PL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 17, 2013, 04:46:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 03:57:54 PM
'Too much quality to go down' not convinced on that at all. I don't think we have any fight, and we need to bring some quality in.

I think you are right.

To be fair the article basically said that as well (at centre back, left back and centre mid).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 17, 2013, 04:47:53 PM: Quote from: prmort on January 17, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

That would be the away following at Norwich which obviously represented many.

I always took that as a dig at TSM, as we had never sung his name, rather than "begging" for PL.

I think it was a bit of both as Lambert was the fans choice to take over.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 17, 2013, 04:51:13 PM: A lot of wishful thinking in that article.

I wish all that happens too!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 04:53:50 PM: Journo's eh? Next they'll be saying we're lucky to have Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 05:02:42 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 17, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: prmort on January 17, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

That would be the away following at Norwich which obviously represented many.

I always took that as a dig at TSM, as we had never sung his name, rather than "begging" for PL.

I think it was a bit of both as Lambert was the fans choice to take over.
Says who?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2013, 05:07:42 PM: He was my choice and he's still my choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:09:09 PM: Judging from all the knicker wetting going on at the time the baby faced United supersub was the fan's choice
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 05:12:07 PM: In fairness, put a top centre half, top centre mid and good left back into our side and we will be fine. So he is right in a way. It is getting them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:33:23 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
In fairness, put a top centre half, top centre mid and good left back into our side and we will be fine. So he is right in a way. It is getting them.

Not sure he'll buy a centre half if funds are very limited. With papermache ron and Dunne on the comeback trail, he may decide elsewhere takes priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 17, 2013, 06:00:17 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on January 17, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 17, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
Latest from nursey-

Lambert is the man many Villa fans begged for last year when Alex McLeish’s doomed reign was drawing to a close.

That would be the away following at Norwich which obviously represented many.

The real supporters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 06:08:00 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
Judging from all the knicker wetting going on at the time the baby faced United supersub was the fan's choice
Cørrect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 06:09:26 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
In fairness, put a top centre half, top centre mid and good left back into our side and we will be fine. So he is right in a way. It is getting them.

Not sure he'll buy a centre half if funds are very limited. With papermache ron and Dunne on the comeback trail, he may decide elsewhere takes priority.

Fair if you can be sure of their fitness, but would you risk it? Last game, you need a point, would you trust Baker and Clark to see you through.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 17, 2013, 06:20:29 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 17, 2013, 05:07:42 PM
He was my choice and he's still my choice.
I'll second that commotion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: russon on January 17, 2013, 06:22:16 PM: er, it's more than half way through the month, have we bought anybody yet? or are we confident that our current squad can rescue us from the abyss?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 06:22:34 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
In fairness, put a top centre half, top centre mid and good left back into our side and we will be fine. So he is right in a way. It is getting them.

Completely agree, but getting them is a massive if. Especially as we don't seem to be doing a great deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2013, 06:24:38 PM: There's gonna be an implosion of transfers gushing out all over the shop in the dying days of Jan, if not hours. We just gotta hold on as that big-lunged mama from Alabama Shakes suggests.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2013, 06:24:55 PM: Nursey's latest article was ok enough but i'm sure a few of us on here could have done just as good or even better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 17, 2013, 06:26:33 PM: I'm getting worried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 17, 2013, 06:36:22 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
Judging from all the knicker wetting going on at the time the baby faced United supersub was the fan's choice

"Shoot, fookin shoot!"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2013, 06:38:14 PM: I don't want Lambert out, I just want him to address our issues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 17, 2013, 06:39:42 PM: They will but not until the last week when options for agents, players and clubs begin to really narrow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 17, 2013, 06:41:14 PM: That Nursey article is distressingly transfer news free. Thats the only thing fans are concerned about, nobody is banking on Nzogbia to have a great run of form, that kind of thing exists only in Nurseys mind and possibly the clubs. We need new players, these dogs wont hunt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:41:42 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
In fairness, put a top centre half, top centre mid and good left back into our side and we will be fine. So he is right in a way. It is getting them.

Not sure he'll buy a centre half if funds are very limited. With papermache ron and Dunne on the comeback trail, he may decide elsewhere takes priority.

Fair if you can be sure of their fitness, but would you risk it? Last game, you need a point, would you trust Baker and Clark to see you through.

well i wouldn't, but Lambert may not have much choice. We're all guessing on what sort of funds are available and what sort of quality you can get in. Three good quality players in those positions would be 10m or more imo. So less than that, do you buy 3 average players for 6m or risk it or buy 2 quality players who would make a difference and hope Ron and the pieman get fit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 17, 2013, 06:48:40 PM: OGS was my first choice and I am pretty confident that events have proved that he could not have made a much worse pig's ear than that which has been made of the first half of this season. If that was knicker wetting, guilty as charged
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 17, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
OGS was my first choice and I am pretty confident that events have proved that he could not have made a much worse pig's ear than that which has been made of the first half of this season. If that was knicker wetting, guilty as charged

Fair enough Brian. My point at the time was OGS had done nowt of note in a decent league and most of the enthusiasm was based on "Look, its OGS!". The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
I don't think that Solskjaer had relegated his side the previous season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on January 17, 2013, 07:12:10 PM: I'm sure this is rubbish but this is a Skype chat with a mate (its a Skype room where we talk about betting offers and sports trading tactics which is why Hill's get a mention):

Hi Lads, just had a phone call from william hill. It was a lad from newcastle telling me i had a free £10 bet with them, when i started talking he said " it sounds like you are from my neck of the woods, he said are you from newcastle?", " I said no i am from Sunderland" He said " are you a mackem?" i said "yes, does that mean i am not getting my free tenner lol,
[18:29:16] mackem6666: Jon this one is for you, this mag on the phone said the word in the toon is that darren bent is on his way, he then said " i dont know if he is good enough to play for us WTF ?? what planet are they on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2013, 07:13:09 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
I don't think that Solskjær had relegated his side the previous season.

Is the right answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2013, 07:14:42 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 17, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
OGS was my first choice and I am pretty confident that events have proved that he could not have made a much worse pig's ear than that which has been made of the first half of this season. If that was knicker wetting, guilty as charged

Fair enough Brian. My point at the time was OGS had done nowt of note in a decent league and most of the enthusiasm was based on "Look, its OGS!". The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.

The difference is OGS is a winner, he won everything as a player, and in his first manager job he's got 2 out of 2 for the league. Like Brian, he was my first choice by a long way. I was happy with Lambert once OGS was out of the running but I'm still disappointed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 17, 2013, 07:28:35 PM: Greg, my support for OGS was that it was an imaginative move. It was a move filled with potential, potential for success and potential for abject failure. Lambert was chosen because he was regarded as a more conventional, safer option but he has delivered abject failure and we never had the chance of the success a radically different choice would have given us.

I compare it to a marriage. Would you sooner have a wife with big tits and a pretty face who can't cook and is not too hot on housework or a wife with a flat chest and a face like Savo who can cook and is always cleaning the house. Odds are that you would choose the latter because she is safer long term bet and you would still be eating nice dinners long after your dick had become a mere waterspout.

But what if I put it to you that you pass up on the one with big tits and a bum like Kylie Minogue and the one you marry is not only a flat chested minger but she can't cook and is a slut into the bargain.

My own highly personal view is that we never got to know what OGS might have done but we sure as f*ck know what Lambert has done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:30:29 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
I don't think that Solskjær had relegated his side the previous season.

And what league was he managing in? Bundesliga weren't it? A few steps up from OGS. TSM and Billy McNeil wouldn't have any relegations on their CV if they'd stayed in jockland i reckon
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:36:33 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 17, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
Greg, my support for OGS was that it was an imaginative move. It was a move filled with potential, potential for success and potential for abject failure. Lambert was chosen because he was regarded as a more conventional, safer option but he has delivered abject failure and we never had the chance of the success a radically different choice would have given us.

I compare it to a marriage. Would you sooner have a wife with big tits and a pretty face who can't cook and is not too hot on housework or a wife with a flat chest and a face like Savo who can cook and is always cleaning the house. Odds are that you would choose the latter because she is safer long term bet and you would still be eating nice dinners long after your dick had become a mere waterspout.

But what if I put it to you that you pass up on the one with big tits and a bum like Kylie Minogue and the one you marry is not only a flat chested minger but she can't cook and is a slut into the bargain.

My own highly personal view is that we never got to know what OGS might have done but we sure as f*ck know what Lambert has done.

well i didn't think the shortlist was very inspiring including lambert, but that was the circumstances. You're not going to attract big names with Lerner's strategy. I realised the glamour aspect of appointing OGS, but i felt at the time we needed someone who had at least managed in a decent league. You're right though, he could be doing a better job now, it would be hard to do worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2013, 07:37:30 PM: Quote from: McGraths Dry Cleaning on January 17, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
I'm sure this is rubbish but this is a Skype chat with a mate (its a Skype room where we talk about betting offers and sports trading tactics which is why Hill's get a mention):

Hi Lads, just had a phone call from william hill. It was a lad from newcastle telling me i had a free £10 bet with them, when i started talking he said " it sounds like you are from my neck of the woods, he said are you from newcastle?", " I said no i am from Sunderland" He said " are you a mackem?" i said "yes, does that mean i am not getting my free tenner lol,
[18:29:16] mackem6666: Jon this one is for you, this mag on the phone said the word in the toon is that darren bent is on his way, he then said " i dont know if he is good enough to play for us WTF ?? what planet are they on

Rumour I read was they have offered Danny Simpson, Dan Gosling and cash to us for Bent. I can only assume the 'cash' is in the region of £24m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 17, 2013, 07:42:49 PM: If it wasnt for the fact that we need to keep bent to stay in the league I would be amused to see him go to Newcastle. The amount of bile he would get at the first Sunderland Derby would be amazing to watch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:44:53 PM: Dunno. I wouldn't be surprised. Lambert obviously doesn't rate him and it would pay for our more immediate needs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:46:07 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
I don't think that Solskjær had relegated his side the previous season.

And what league was he managing in? Bundesliga weren't it? A few steps up from OGS. TSM and Billy McNeil wouldn't have any relegations on their CV if they'd stayed in jockland i reckon
Quite probably, but that doesn't mean that his record is 'dwarfed' as you put it. Unless you mean that it's a long career of good and bad stuff rather than a short career of just good stuff.

All of Solbakken's major achievements are in the Scandinavian leagues. Presumably his successes there are what dwarves Solskjaer's er... successes in the Scandinavian leagues?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:49:09 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 17, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
The guy sacked at wolves had a managerial record that dwarfs OGS and he was next to useless.
I don't think that Solskjær had relegated his side the previous season.

And what league was he managing in? Bundesliga weren't it? A few steps up from OGS. TSM and Billy McNeil wouldn't have any relegations on their CV if they'd stayed in jockland i reckon
Quite probably, but that doesn't mean that his record is 'dwarfed' as you put it. Unless you mean that it's a long career of good and bad stuff rather than a short career of just good stuff.

All of Solbakken's major achievements are in the Scandinavian leagues. Presumably his successes there are what dwarves Solskjær's er... successes in the Scandinavian leagues?

yep he won about 5 titles. Very impressive for the scandinavian leagues, but its the scandinavian leagues.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 17, 2013, 07:58:46 PM: I'd imagine it's as you were for tomorrow. Signing a player on a Friday when you play on the Saturday almost never happens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:28:23 PM: Day 17. Nobody. Home win for the Baggies, then. Great.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 17, 2013, 08:31:57 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
Day 17. Nobody. Home win for the Baggies, then. Great.
how is that then, what do you know that i dont. fed up with all this woe is me shit!
why are we going to lose, how do you know that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 17, 2013, 08:32:06 PM: Just because the potential appointment of OGS was an adventurous one doesn't mean it would have been a successful one. Venglos was an example of how taking risks doesn't work. It's easy to say that it would be hard to do worse than Lambert because at the moment it's true. With 2 or 3 additions & some luck with injuries we will be OK. But it will be close, much too close for a club like ours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:34:27 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 17, 2013, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
Day 17. Nobody. Home win for the Baggies, then. Great.
how is that then, what do you know that i dont. fed up with all this woe is me shit!
why are we going to lose, how do you know that?

Villa might win. I would love it if they did. The odds are heavily against it and the manager is doing fuck all about that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 17, 2013, 08:46:36 PM: No need to panic; we go again
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 17, 2013, 08:47:25 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: rutski on January 17, 2013, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on January 17, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
Day 17. Nobody. Home win for the Baggies, then. Great.
how is that then, what do you know that i dont. fed up with all this woe is me shit!
why are we going to lose, how do you know that?

Villa might win. I would love it if they did. The odds are heavily against it and the manager is doing fuck all about that.

Or the chairman is doing fuck all about it. One day the story is money is there to spend, another there is no money to spend. Until we do or don't buy anyone, we don't know the true story.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 17, 2013, 08:58:56 PM: I think transfer activity will heat up in last week. Thats when the deals are done esp in last 48hrs.. Ins and potential shifting of outs may happen after we make these late signings.. Lets be patient my lovelies i feel 'the one or two' we get will see us stay up ! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM: Of course there's money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 09:35:07 PM: If we wait till the last few days, we could be 6 points from safety, rock bottom of the league.

With our goal deifference that's effectively 7 points.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM: Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.
i agree, i also think that trying to get the right man is also the right way to do it instead of just going to buy any old twat because they are 27 or above.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 17, 2013, 09:36:29 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
If we wait till the last few days, we could be 6 points from safety, rock bottom of the league.

With our goal deifference that's effectively 7 points.
win and we could be within 4 points of west ham in 11th
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 10:00:17 PM: Quote from: rutski on January 17, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
If we wait till the last few days, we could be 6 points from safety, rock bottom of the league.

With our goal deifference that's effectively 7 points.
win and we could be within 4 points of west ham in 11th

Win and we could still be in the bottom 3, there are lots of scenarios, we are in the shit, let's hope we get so me luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2013, 10:17:32 PM: Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.
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Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Down the back of the sofa?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 17, 2013, 10:20:25 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 17, 2013, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.
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Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Down the back of the sofa?

I hear Faulkner's come up trumps on a scratchcard
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 10:27:00 PM: Is that the famous IanB?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 17, 2013, 10:28:17 PM: Yes, it is. Unless you mean Botham or Beale. In which case, no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 17, 2013, 10:32:43 PM: Both IanB and Scarflady from SHA rise simultaniously, the mayans may just have been a few weeks out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 17, 2013, 10:34:57 PM: Even a loan signing would cheer us up a bit and give a smidgeon of optimism.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 17, 2013, 10:39:42 PM: I feel like Rod Hull clinging on to the chimney stack hoping the the ladder will come back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 17, 2013, 10:40:04 PM: Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Good to have you back Ian, hope things are well with you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 10:47:59 PM: Have to say if there is money, and most outlets last week in the press ran stories that there was, I hope the Albion game is snowed off so we can spend some of it before games occur and it gives us more chance of getting a result or two.

Not liking the Di Matteo rumours on twitter, but if they have any substance, the club may as well do it now and give him the money instead. Whoever is spending it, needs to do it basically. The Newcastle home game is massive, as is the Albion game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 10:54:46 PM: Yes, good to see you back Ian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2013, 11:12:34 PM: If the rumours of Lambert offering to resign are true, it's a good thing that the club are considering a Plan B.

I would rather stick with Lambert. As for new signings and availability of money, there must be some, we just have no idea how much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 11:29:38 PM: Why would a Manager resign just to let another clown get money to spend.
Stick with it, Paul Lambert. Stay away, Di Matteo. Get your finger out, Randolph Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 17, 2013, 11:37:01 PM: Di Matteo has the face of a sniper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 17, 2013, 11:44:20 PM: Surely Di Matteo would sort out the defence? Mind you, I thought that about McLeish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 11:51:48 PM: To sort out the defence you need to buy a centre half and a left back. Riise on a free and some big hard viking would do it fairly quickly. Then add a Sissoko, Capoue type that may not be in that class but I am sure are out there in Europe.

Did he sign Mulumbu at Albion?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 17, 2013, 11:56:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 17, 2013, 11:51:48 PM
To sort out the defence you need to buy a centre half and a left back. Riise on a free and some big hard viking would do it fairly quickly. Then add a Sissoko, Capoue type that may not be in that class but I am sure are out there in Europe.

Did he sign Mulumbu at Albion?

I think Riise would be a mistake as he is a pretty good footballer but very ordinary at defending which is where we need to improve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM: Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 18, 2013, 12:38:25 AM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM
Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go

Love your optimism and the thought of Concrete Ron standing over Sneider and saying "what do ya think bruv" (In Dutch) but in my wildest Villa dreams i think this unlikely. Made me smile though ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2013, 12:47:42 AM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 18, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM
Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go

Love your optimism and the thought of Concrete Ron standing over Sneider and saying "what do ya think bruv" (In Dutch) but in my wildest Villa dreams i think this unlikely. Made me smile though ........

You don't ask you don't get, but I agree, it's about as unlikely as can be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2013, 12:53:38 AM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM
Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go

No offence but that's the most deluded post in this thread.

Sneijder is on 250k a week there, he is one of the highest paid players in Europe.

And even if he fancied a 230k a week pay cut, what football reasons do you think he'd see in joining us above the several hundred clubs he could choose from?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 01:04:02 AM: Tevez and mascherano went to west ham one window ... Anything is possible. If club sold in right way and dutch connection including scout then why not ?! A challenging can be quite appealing with a relegation release clause thrown in.. Worth a Bid as even that would give us fans a lift.. imagine that excitement when sky sport news understands villa make 6mil bid. Even if he rejected the idea of trying to get him would be amazing! Parker and lescott are nt saying they take a pay cut !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 18, 2013, 02:58:03 AM: £250K a week? Really? Fuck me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on January 18, 2013, 05:37:06 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
If we wait till the last few days, we could be 6 points from safety, rock bottom of the league.

With our goal deifference that's effectively 7 points.

Welcome back Ian. I hope you are well and it's so good to see you posting again (JD).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JD on January 18, 2013, 05:43:59 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2013, 12:53:38 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM
Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go

No offence but that's the most deluded post in this thread.

Sneijder is on 250k a week there, he is one of the highest paid players in Europe.

And even if he fancied a 230k a week pay cut, what football reasons do you think he'd see in joining us above the several hundred clubs he could choose from?

Here we go, let's play with money. Sneider is up for sale for £6.8M. So we sign him for £10M (including a signing on fee of £3.2M and £6.8M to Inter) and then pay him $70K a week on a three year contract (well I would if I owned Villa). Sometimes you need to think outside the square a bit to make things work (which I do constantly in my job if I want to employ people I need).

Can anyone in Turkey afford to pay a salary of £250K a week, I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bones. on January 18, 2013, 06:00:25 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 17, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
Di Matteo has the face of a sniper.
Di Matteo has the face of a kamikaze pilot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaZogmariner on January 18, 2013, 07:16:13 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Why would a Manager resign just to let another clown get money to spend.
Stick with it, Paul Lambert. Stay away, Di Matteo. Get your finger out, Randolph Lerner.

Is the right answer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 18, 2013, 07:25:58 AM: Can't see any links today in papers...all very quiet at Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 18, 2013, 07:34:27 AM: Riise and Boateng would be good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaZogmariner on January 18, 2013, 08:49:43 AM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 18, 2013, 07:34:27 AM
Riise and Boateng would be good.

Have we gone back to 2003 and I've not noticed?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 18, 2013, 08:54:41 AM: Quote from: not3bad on October 03, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 Million?

http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2012/10/blogs/should-newcastle-sell-to-aston-villa-for-2m

Worse than that looks like we're back to the original post
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 08:58:43 AM: Fucking hell Villa do something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 09:01:17 AM: Day 18 & Lambert is snowed in, nothing will happen today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 18, 2013, 09:10:53 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 08:58:43 AM
Fucking hell Villa do something.

I'd be surprised if they weren't doing anything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 18, 2013, 09:15:03 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on January 18, 2013, 02:58:03 AM
£250K a week? Really? Fuck me.

For that much money, it's worth considering. Would you at least shave and dress like a girl?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:15:16 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 17, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
Greg, my support for OGS was that it was an imaginative move. It was a move filled with potential, potential for success and potential for abject failure. Lambert was chosen because he was regarded as a more conventional, safer option but he has delivered abject failure and we never had the chance of the success a radically different choice would have given us.

I compare it to a marriage. Would you sooner have a wife with big tits and a pretty face who can't cook and is not too hot on housework or a wife with a flat chest and a face like Savo who can cook and is always cleaning the house. Odds are that you would choose the latter because she is safer long term bet and you would still be eating nice dinners long after your dick had become a mere waterspout.

But what if I put it to you that you pass up on the one with big tits and a bum like Kylie Minogue and the one you marry is not only a flat chested minger but she can't cook and is a slut into the bargain.

My own highly personal view is that we never got to know what OGS might have done but we sure as f*ck know what Lambert has done.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bob on January 18, 2013, 09:17:06 AM: Quote from: VillaZogmariner on January 18, 2013, 07:16:13 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 17, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Why would a Manager resign just to let another clown get money to spend.
Stick with it, Paul Lambert. Stay away, Di Matteo. Get your finger out, Randolph Lerner.

Is the right answer

Alright Baz, where have you been?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:19:10 AM: Quote from: john2710 on January 17, 2013, 08:32:06 PM
Just because the potential appointment of OGS was an adventurous one doesn't mean it would have been a successful one. Venglos was an example of how taking risks doesn't work. It's easy to say that it would be hard to do worse than Lambert because at the moment it's true. With 2 or 3 additions & some luck with injuries we will be OK. But it will be close, much too close for a club like ours.

No way of knowing for sure. Some risks pay off, some don't. I'm not sure there's any formula to it. I certainly can't criticise the board's appointment of Lambert even though I was excited about the potential of OGS.

What I'd like to know is who put Lerner and Faulkner in the direction of OGS? It was a pretty imaginative idea for two people who we presume know next-to-nothing about the game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM: I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:22:49 AM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 12:28:36 AM
Sneijder for 6 mil is worth a shout as dutchman is saying wants to okay in England and prepared to make a wage cut so we can cope with financial reason. He plans on next move for footballing reasons so could be difficult if other offers but making him main man and captain in middle would be a revelation and real coup. At the end of the day Liverpool are linked with him and we outbid them for dempsey.. Think a signing like this and then a o'hara type player would be way to go

Why would we need Sneijder when we have Delph?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:26:56 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.

Pretty sure along what lines it will go.

"It's very difficult. We may do something. It's very hard. Money is tight. We keep going. It's very difficult."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 18, 2013, 09:29:58 AM: Sneijder to Villa would be the modern equivalent of Tommy Lawton moving to Notts County.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2013, 09:35:27 AM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.

Pretty sure along what lines it will go.

"It's very difficult. We may do something. It's very hard. Money is tight. We keep going. It's very difficult."

replace "we may do something" with "we're trying to get one or two in" and I think you're mostly right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on January 18, 2013, 09:54:38 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 18, 2013, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.

Pretty sure along what lines it will go.

"It's very difficult. We may do something. It's very hard. Money is tight. We keep going. It's very difficult."

replace "we may do something" with "we're trying to get one or two in" and I think you're mostly right.

He's hardly going to spill the beans at a pre-match interview. I'd rather they kept anything as quiet as they can, rather than do a 'arry. Just because Sky Sports or Twitter ain't got wind of anthing doesn't mean nothing is happening (but it does'nt mean anything is either...!).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:00:22 AM: Day 18 of the great Aston Villa transfer drought of January 2013.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 18, 2013, 10:02:55 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 18, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
Sneijder to Villa would be the modern equivalent of Tommy Lawton moving to Notts County.

It would be the equivalent of Scarlett Johansson moving to my navel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 18, 2013, 10:03:10 AM: Countdown clock again just to focus the mind.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130131T23&p0=297&msg=Transfer+Deadline
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaZogmariner on January 18, 2013, 10:05:45 AM: Quote from: Scarlett Johansson on January 18, 2013, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 18, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
Sneijder to Villa would be the modern equivalent of Tommy Lawton moving to Notts County.

It would be the equivalent of Mazrim moving to my navel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 10:06:45 AM: Quote from: DB on January 18, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 18, 2013, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.

Pretty sure along what lines it will go.

"It's very difficult. We may do something. It's very hard. Money is tight. We keep going. It's very difficult."

replace "we may do something" with "we're trying to get one or two in" and I think you're mostly right.

He's hardly going to spill the beans at a pre-match interview.

No obviously not, but he could always say something along the lines of 'we're close to doing something'. He dose'nt need to do an Arry and mention names.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 10:09:08 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 17, 2013, 05:09:09 PM
Judging from all the knicker wetting going on at the time the baby faced United supersub was the fan's choice

Solskjaer was a 'left field' choice that had entered nobody's thoughts, was a craze for a time and then petered out when he turned us down. Before he came along Lambert was the fans choice. When the possibility of him joining Villa was suddenly ended, Lambert was agin the fans choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 18, 2013, 10:10:49 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: DB on January 18, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 18, 2013, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
I presume at some point today Lambert will be having a press conference ahead of tomorrow's game so he'll no doubt get asked about any transfer activity. Let's hope he has some encouraging news.

Pretty sure along what lines it will go.

"It's very difficult. We may do something. It's very hard. Money is tight. We keep going. It's very difficult."

replace "we may do something" with "we're trying to get one or two in" and I think you're mostly right.

He's hardly going to spill the beans at a pre-match interview.

No obviously not, but he could always say something along the lines of 'we're close to doing something'. He dose'nt need to do an Arry and mention names.

Why does he have to say anything? I'd much prefer us to quietly get on with any business and announce it when theres something concrete.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 18, 2013, 10:10:57 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 18, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Countdown clock again just to focus the mind.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130131T23&p0=297&msg=Transfer+Deadline

(http://www.naderlibrary.com/ateamamericafix313f.gif)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:20:13 AM: Someone on twitter said they heard we are holding emergency talks with RDM on Radio WM.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 10:23:17 AM: We're holding talks with him on the radio? that seems a bit indiscreet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:23:44 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
Someone on twitter said they heard we are holding emergency talks with RDM on Radio WM.

We need new players, not a change of manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2013, 10:27:55 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 10:23:17 AM
We're holding talks with him on the radio? that seems a bit indiscreet.
Brill.. Clappy hands sign.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:36:01 AM: £5m bid for Danny Graham apparently
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM: Sunderland or us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 18, 2013, 10:38:05 AM: "Allo Roberto, Allo Roberto. This is Aston calling. Paul has a blue kite. Paul has a blue kite.
The dogs howl at the fence. Randolph has a itchy beard. Randolph has an itchy beard."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM: While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 10:41:18 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.

Well that makes zero sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:48:46 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.

Well that makes zero sense.
I know, I can't find a link to the bid anywhere either. Could be getting in a striker to cover for Bent's possible departure? I suppose that would sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 10:52:52 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
Someone on twitter said they heard we are holding emergency talks with RDM on Radio WM.

We need new players, not a change of manager.

Perhaps he's coming as a player?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:54:35 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.
Bloody hope not! I've given up on PL anyway but that would just confirm he is beyond useless. A striker is the last thing we need at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 18, 2013, 10:58:51 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.
Bloody hope not! I've given up on PL anyway but that would just confirm he is beyond useless. A striker is the last thing we need at the moment.
Yeah we just cant stop scoring!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 11:04:07 AM: Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

Yep but they all make good points. They seem as worried as us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2013, 11:08:07 AM: Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

'Playing at it.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 11:08:26 AM: We need players all over the pitch. £5m isn't much for someone who has scored a few though it would surprise me unless there's someone else going out the door....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:11:31 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 18, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Sunderland or us?

I've been told it's by us.
Bloody hope not! I've given up on PL anyway but that would just confirm he is beyond useless. A striker is the last thing we need at the moment.

It's possible that we have several players lined up, and this is the first that anyone has heard about, so it could only 'confirm that the manager is useless' is the eyes of a total idiot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:12:58 AM: Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

I like Bruno the best anyway. He was my first Villa hero.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 11:15:23 AM: I disagree. We have Benteke, Weimann, Bent, Gabby and Bowery as striking options. Benteke/Weimann have 17 between them! The problem is that the rest of the team (especially midfield) are not chipping in with any goals and are also still lacking in creativity. We don't have alot of money, so to spend 5m out of the little that we do have is just a waste. We need quite a few midfielders and a couple of defenders before we even entertain the thought of getting another striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM: A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:20:06 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
I disagree. We have Benteke, Weimann, Bent, Gabby and Bowery as striking options. Benteke/Weimann have 17 between them! The problem is that the rest of the team (especially midfield) are not chipping in with any goals and are also still lacking in creativity. We don't have alot of money, so to spend 5m out of the little that we do have is just a waste. We need quite a few midfielders and a couple of defenders before we even entertain the thought of getting another striker.

Maybe someone is going out. I don't know. Neither do you.

So until we have the full picture in front of us it's still up in the air as to whether Lambert is 'beyond useless'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 18, 2013, 11:20:34 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

'Playing at it.'

That was good, wasn't it. I like the way that he refers to us as 'we' as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:21:03 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

If that we're true, and I was Lambert, I'd have walked by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:24:52 AM: Birmingham mail has just posted an article from PL. depressing stuff!!! He said more than once that he would 'be happy to go with what we've got' when asked about 'trying' to bring a couple in.
Hinted again that the budget were working too is low.
I fully expect us now not to bring anyone in at all.
Hello burnley away next year
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 18, 2013, 11:30:36 AM: Pat Murphy wrote an article saying Villa will back Lambert, so there could definitely be something in these RDM rumours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 18, 2013, 11:31:46 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:24:52 AM
Birmingham mail has just posted an article from PL. depressing stuff!!! He said more than once that he would 'be happy to go with what we've got' when asked about 'trying' to bring a couple in.
Hinted again that the budget were working too is low.
I fully expect us now not to bring anyone in at all.
Hello burnley away next year

Arrgh!! I can not believe it!! arrgh! Noooo! Shades of Tommy Docherty!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 18, 2013, 11:32:23 AM: "Villa's trip to black country rivals Wolves has been postponed due to a frozen pitch." January 18, 2014.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spaf on January 18, 2013, 11:33:24 AM: Here's the quote VinnieChase84 was referring to:

Quote from: Paul Lambert
“I’ll work with it, and if I’ve got to go with the group I’ve got then I’ll go with it. I don’t have a problem, I’ve got nothing but prauise for these lads.

Lambert on Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: myf on January 18, 2013, 11:34:25 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
I disagree. We have Benteke, Weimann, Bent, Gabby and Bowery as striking options. Benteke/Weimann have 17 between them! The problem is that the rest of the team (especially midfield) are not chipping in with any goals and are also still lacking in creativity. We don't have alot of money, so to spend 5m out of the little that we do have is just a waste. We need quite a few midfielders and a couple of defenders before we even entertain the thought of getting another striker.

Exactamundo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 18, 2013, 11:36:04 AM: Bear in mind he is talking if he doesn't make signings, not that he won't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 18, 2013, 11:38:47 AM: Quote
Paul Lambert would be content to trust his current squad to get Villa out of trouble and “go with the group I’ve got” if Villa fail to make any signings this month.

Speaking on the second anniversary of the club breaking their record transfer for Darren Bent, Lambert admitted there “no chance whatsoever” of the claret and blues spending big again during the current transfer window.

Lambert is actively looking to make a couple some shrewd signings within the next 13 days after discussions with Randy Lerner, but confirmed it would be in keeping with the claret and blues’ prudent policy.

Asked about if there would be a surprise spending spree like the £24 million capture of Darren Bent and £6 million Jean Makoun under Gerard Houllier two season ago, Lambert replied: “No chance, none whatsoever.

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“I think Darren came in and the lad Makoun didn’t he? No, absolutely not a chance.

“We’re trying to do something within the structure of the club, but we won’t be able to do that.”

Lambert spent £20 million on signings last summer and asked if he knew about the financial conditions he would be working with, he replied: “I get on really well with Randy.

“He really has been great with me. “I understand where he’s coming from on a lot of things and it is what it is.

“I’ll work with it, and if I’ve got to go with the group I’ve got then I’ll go with it. I don’t have a problem, I’ve got nothing but prauise for these lads.

“They give me everything they’ve got. Yes, I’d like one or two more results to get us out that bottom end. I’d like to get to a cup final and those sort of fans like every Villa fan would.

”Lambert was reluctant to divulge any details of his confidential conversations with Lerner. He added: Randy’s been great with me, I can’t ask for any more from him. We’ll wait and see.

“I think the conversation between me and him is private, I’m not going to tell you what happened and that’s no disrespect to you, but it’s a privatre thing.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 11:42:57 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

If that we're true, and I was Lambert, I'd have walked by now.
We do not want bloody RDM. We want Lambert to turn things around with some backing from Lerner ffs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:44:19 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

If that we're true, and I was Lambert, I'd have walked by now.
We do not want bloody RDM. We want Lambert to turn things around with some backing from Lerner ffs.

I don't want a manager that looks like an onion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2013, 11:44:39 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:20:06 AM

So until we have the full picture in front of us it's still up in the air as to whether Lambert is 'beyond useless'.

His performance to date means it isn't up in the air at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:45:49 AM: Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

Stan reckons the best way of dealing with our lack of experience is to sign Jake Livermore?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2013, 11:45:55 AM: Its not been great, but its still far too soon to form hardline judgments one way or the other.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:48:38 AM: Quote from: Rissbert on January 18, 2013, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:20:06 AM

So until we have the full picture in front of us it's still up in the air as to whether Lambert is 'beyond useless'.

His performance to date means it isn't up in the air at all.

Read back mate, the logic was because we'd been linked to a striker Lambert was 'beyond useless'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 11:53:10 AM: I'd rather stick with Lambert and what we've got than bring in new players and Di Matteo.

We aren't an underachieving team with seasoned Premier League CHampions throughout out squad! We aren't Chelsea.

If Lerner things bringing in RDM to do the same job at villa is the answer then we really are screwed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 11:55:02 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 11:42:57 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

If that we're true, and I was Lambert, I'd have walked by now.
We do not want bloody RDM. We want Lambert to turn things around with some backing from Lerner ffs.

I don't want a manager that looks like an onion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/worlds-biggest-onion_n_969718.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 11:55:52 AM: All over Twitter that Soton have sacked Adkins. They clearly want to give us a helping hand in the relegation battle. Guilt over the pen decision?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 11:56:03 AM: For fucks sake this team cannot survive without investment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 11:56:36 AM: (http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/191023/slide_191023_365209_large.jpg?1316445085)

"Randy gets his man"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 11:58:19 AM: Put your hands in your pocket Randy or you'll lose a hell of a lot more money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 18, 2013, 12:02:42 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
I'd rather stick with Lambert and what we've got than bring in new players and Di Matteo.

We aren't an underachieving team with seasoned Premier League CHampions throughout out squad! We aren't Chelsea.

If Lerner things bringing in RDM to do the same job at villa is the answer then we really are screwed.

With you there, we need stability, and replacing Lambert RDM is not going to solve our problems at this stage. The lack of stability at the club is one of the reasons why we are where we are. Another manager to come in to start changing things around again would be a disaster for the club and player's mindsets. Lambert needs a win this weekend, he needs one of his first choice centre backs playing and he needs a bit of luck to take the pressure of everyone. Benteke has start to score a few of the sitter chances he's been missing recently. A win this wkend and we're up and running and suddenly looking a different prospect. Happy clappy....I think the pills are kicking in....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 18, 2013, 12:03:32 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
For fucks sake this team cannot survive without investment.

Spot on. Some people on here are as pig-headed as the Board and Management thinking we can survive without experienced cover coming in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 18, 2013, 12:03:32 PM: if we can get out of this with what weve got we will be stronger for it next season,
i hate all this we need 2 centre backs a couple of midfielders plus another striking option, thats not strenghening, thats half a new team

we have defended piss poorly this season, so the only option is to buy more defenders, the midfield is to weak lets bring a money grabbing journey man in to rectify it, its a laod of bollocks
whatever happened to sorting out the problems on the training pitch, building a bit of team spirit and improving our game so we push out of trouble

we have a young sqaud so we should be capable of a bit development and improvement, some of you guys are just playing 'championship manager' if there is a problem there is only one way of sorting it, spend spend pend, its pathetic.
it makes me sick, football never used to be like this totaly dependant on the cheque book, there comes a time when you have to believe in yourself and your talent, that time is now and for the rest of the season, and you can stick the likes of RDM up your arse

i would be gratefull of a couple of decent signings obviously to improve on what we have, but mass signings of experienced crap is not what we want,
a bit more work on the training field and a bit of determination and we have more than enough to get out of this shit position we are in at the moment, this is where PL earns his stripes, where we find out if he has got what it takes

if he makes a couple of signings then great,
if we dont we are not fucked as some of you presume, we have enough quality and yes i said quality in the sqaud to win this battle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:03:38 PM: Southampton going nuts gives us another opportunity, we desperately need to sign a backbone for us side. Stop fucking around Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2013, 12:08:26 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 18, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
For fucks sake this team cannot survive without investment.

Spot on. Some people on here are as pig-headed as the Board and Management thinking we can survive without experienced cover coming in.

Don't be a twat, 'some people' can't do fuck all about it so they don't get their knickers in a twist over every piece of gossip.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 12:08:59 PM: Southampton have done us a massive favour. Madness sacking!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 18, 2013, 12:09:25 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 18, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
For fucks sake this team cannot survive without investment.

Spot on. Some people on here are as pig-headed as the Board and Management thinking we can survive without experienced cover coming in.

I'm not aware of anyone on here who has said that we can cope with a couple of additions before the end of the month. Almost universally, H&Vers have agreed that we need some experience in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:11:40 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:36:01 AM
£5m bid for Danny Graham apparently

we dont need a striker , midfield and center back and left back please PL. we have 4 good strikers , one is a top goal scorer , one a beast , one a good finisher and one a villa fan. Wrong area !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:13:59 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 10:36:01 AM
£5m bid for Danny Graham apparently

we dont need a striker , midfield and center back and left back please PL. we have 4 good strikers , one is a top goal scorer , one a beast , one a good finisher and one a villa fan. Wrong area !!

Which is why there's no way we've bid for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 12:14:04 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
If Lerner things bringing in RDM to do the same job at villa is the answer then we really are screwed.

Indeed. Like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

I cant see RL sacking him, we've been on bad runs before and he hasn't given anyone the bullet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:14:37 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

when did a Champions League Winning manager last join Villa , sounds awesome , I would dream of that but for some reason I would be a little gutted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 18, 2013, 12:16:14 PM: Southampton must be fucking nuts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 18, 2013, 12:16:52 PM: So if people on here think Lambert should be sacked, then this is total madness - how much would that cost in compensation for him and his back room staff - £6m+, no wonder we have no money to spend on new players, we keep giving it away in compensation.

Lambert needs to stay, as we need continuity with the manager. We cant keep sacking our managers.

If he was the right man 7 months ago then surely he is still the right man now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 18, 2013, 12:18:01 PM: Di Matteo would be, in my opinion, a terrible option. I'd rather stick with PL or even have GH back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:19:01 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:24:52 AM
Birmingham mail has just posted an article from PL. depressing stuff!!! He said more than once that he would 'be happy to go with what we've got' when asked about 'trying' to bring a couple in.
Hinted again that the budget were working too is low.
I fully expect us now not to bring anyone in at all.
Hello burnley away next year

I heard an expert on the radio yesterday who said , that each club in the Prem are getting so much money next year for e.g, they could drop everybody's match ticket by £30 at the ground and still have the same money as they have got now . That is alot of money , enough to pay fee's and decent wages , If we go down without spending , RL deserves what he gets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:21:02 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

when did a Champions League Winning manager last join Villa , sounds awesome , I would dream of that but for some reason I would be a little gutted.

It's because he didn't win it, it was their senior ego maniac players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 12:24:17 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

when did a Champions League Winning manager last join Villa , sounds awesome , I would dream of that but for some reason I would be a little gutted.

It's because he didn't win it, it was their senior ego maniac players.
If we sack Lambert and appoint Onion Head then we deserve to get fucked, just like Southampton deserve to get fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 18, 2013, 12:28:39 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
A few people are very adamant on VT that the finance Lambert thought he was getting this month, has been pulled. Would explain why we've not brought anyone in (yet)
If its true that the money has been pulled then I think these RDM rumours may well be true!

when did a Champions League Winning manager last join Villa , sounds awesome , I would dream of that but for some reason I would be a little gutted.

It's because he didn't win it, it was their senior ego maniac players.
If we sack Lambert and appoint Onion Head then we deserve to get fucked, just like Southampton deserve to get fucked.

i find myself agreeing with Danlanza here
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2013, 12:30:23 PM: Roberto di Mateo, no no no no no no no FFS no.

But i wouldn't put it past the numpties running the club these days i really wouldn't.

We've had a horrible run all season of injuries to our senior players, the money they gave PL to spend pre season was woefully short of what was really required and we are where we are as a direct result of the Boards continual cost cutting over the last 3 years.

So FFS back Lambert with some decent money you fecking imbeciles before you get us relegated.

That is all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:32:24 PM: Just give Lambert some money and stop fucking around Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 12:34:51 PM: Too late to bring in a manager who could make a difference with signings. So in that respect its Lambert or bust. However if he's not backed with money, i don't think Lambert will turn it around. In that case, they may well end up sacking him anyway and hoping "new manager syndrome" kicks in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM: Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 12:37:53 PM: When will all this cost cutting stop anyway? surely simply getting rid of the high earners won't fix any problem we have overnight? We can't survive in the Prem with these constraints & if we do escape by the skin of our teeth, I'm sure we'll have other transfer windows of fuck all activity.

Surely Lerner knows any spending that he makes to keep us up will be more than paid back to him with the windfall we'll have for staying up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:40:49 PM: If that article isn't a smoke screen we're buried. This board is a complete joke. We have no chance of survival with this squad as it is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 18, 2013, 12:42:15 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 18, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
If we sack Lambert and appoint Onion Head then we deserve to get fucked, just like Southampton deserve to get fucked.
The difference being that Adkins looked like he was keeping Soton up and PL looks like he is taking us down. Unlike Adkins, PL would have no complaints if he was handed his P45 this very minute.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2013, 12:43:46 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 18, 2013, 12:37:53 PM

Surely Lerner knows any spending that he makes to keep us up will be more than paid back to him with the windfall we'll have for staying up.

Well you would think so wouldn't you, but as this is RL and his merry band of marketing bullshiters were talking about i'm not too optimistic on that score anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:44:09 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781

Get Dunne, Vlaar and Bent in quick and we have players that can keep us up but would love a couple in . Lescott and Sissoko would keep us up. I mean on their day , Bent , Ireland , Nzogbia, Gabby and Dunne should be good enough to keep you in the prem but those dys seem to have gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 12:45:00 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
If Lerner things bringing in RDM to do the same job at villa is the answer then we really are screwed.

Indeed. Like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

I cant see RL sacking him, we've been on bad runs before and he hasn't given anyone the bullet.

Everybody knows that Chelsea team wanted to run the show themselves and that he had damn all to do with it.

Then again, Randy was seduced by TSM's League Cup win so we shouldn't be surprised if he thinks RDM is the best manager going because he can boast a CL medal.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 18, 2013, 12:53:04 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 11:53:10 AM
If Lerner things bringing in RDM to do the same job at villa is the answer then we really are screwed.

Indeed. Like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

I cant see RL sacking him, we've been on bad runs before and he hasn't given anyone the bullet.

Then again, Randy was seduced by TSM's League Cup win so we shouldn't be surprised if he thinks RDM is the best manager going because he can boast a CL medal.....

Ah, but has RDM got a letter of recommendation from Sir Alex Ferguson?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:55:11 PM: Whoever the manager is, if this squad isn't strengthened we're done for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:58:51 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Is that the famous IanB?

We are the famous, the famous IanB!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:59:20 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 17, 2013, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Good to have you back Ian, hope things are well with you.

Thanks, that's very kind, much better thanks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:59:34 PM: Quote from: Lambstewbert on January 18, 2013, 05:37:06 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 17, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
If we wait till the last few days, we could be 6 points from safety, rock bottom of the league.

With our goal deifference that's effectively 7 points.

Welcome back Ian. I hope you are well and it's so good to see you posting again (JD).

Thanks JD!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 18, 2013, 01:00:29 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
Whoever the manager is, if this squad isn't strengthened we're done for.

the more times you write the same thing every 5 minutes,
the more i hope we dont sign a anyone and prove you wrong
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 01:02:08 PM: Quote from: john e on January 18, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
Whoever the manager is, if this squad isn't strengthened we're done for.

the more times you write the same thing every 5 minutes,
the more i hope we dont sign a anyone and prove you wrong

If proving me wrong means we stay up I'd be delighted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 01:13:16 PM: Can't believe they've just sacked Adkins. Utterly bizarre.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 18, 2013, 01:45:29 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 18, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
Can't believe they've just sacked Adkins. Utterly bizarre.

Their fans must be gutted. They really supported him even before last Saturday's game and he's got four points in two games. It must have been planned before then but winning here delayed the announcement and then drawing at Chelsea must have been the last straw and they had to make the announcement before the new manager took over before they sacked the old one!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 18, 2013, 01:50:34 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781

Christ, who did the subbing on that? Atrocious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: russon on January 18, 2013, 01:58:58 PM: Quote from: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Is that the famous IanB?
We are the famous, the famous IanB!

How's it goin Ian? Drop me a line when you've chance. Going to Simple Minds at Wolvo in March?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 18, 2013, 02:16:39 PM: Nice to have you back Ian, hope all is well with you!

Did I see Villa Submariner back on here too, albeit under a different guise?

Good time to all rally round for the cause
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 02:19:04 PM: Quote from: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 17, 2013, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Good to have you back Ian, hope things are well with you.

Thanks, that's very kind, much better thanks.

So... with your return, and welcome back, what is with the cryptic watching people? Should anyone be worried?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 03:02:36 PM: Quote from: john e on January 18, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
Whoever the manager is, if this squad isn't strengthened we're done for.

the more times you write the same thing every 5 minutes,
the more i hope we dont sign a anyone and prove you wrong

I know what you mean. I reckon a lot of our political beliefs are shaped by arguments we don't like. I was always open to Feminist arguments and used to argue for gender quotas in Irish politics. Then, the more like-minded people I met, and the more radical feminist tweets I read on twitter the more I began to question my views. One person in particular is in danger of turning me into a reactionary. It's like you reach a tipping point with a person where the more they come out with the same arguments the more opposed to them you become.

Slight tangent allowed, it is Friday!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2013, 03:12:48 PM: Maybe the answer is to get Mary Harney in the dug-out?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 18, 2013, 03:18:53 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781

Get Dunne, Vlaar and Bent in quick and we have players that can keep us up but would love a couple in . Lescott and Sissoko would keep us up. I mean on their day , Bent , Ireland , Nzogbia, Gabby and Dunne should be good enough to keep you in the prem but those dys seem to have gone.

Before Lambert contemplates bringing players in, he has got to decide on a formation going forward and then plan accordingly. With Dunne and Vlaar back, we might return to a 3-5-2 with Vlaar and Clark / Baker either side of Dunne, and Lowton and Bennett wing-backs (though we may need another option in that position). With the decent forward options we have, we might only really need a couple of central midfielders if we go with that formation. Obviously if he sees us playing another formation going forward then the required personnel will change.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 03:21:20 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 18, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
Maybe the answer is to get Mary Harney in the dug-out?

She could do a job in defence I reckon.

*if my friend read this.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 18, 2013, 03:37:12 PM: Just back from a hazardous drive home from work- is it worth asking if we have signed or been linked with anyone today?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kipeye on January 18, 2013, 03:39:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 18, 2013, 03:37:12 PM
Just back from a hazardous drive home from work- is it worth asking if we have signed or been linked with anyone today?
Not that I've heard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 18, 2013, 03:51:57 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781

Calm down, everyone! Any news that is coming out of the cluub that isn't a signing is being read into in such enormous detail. It was simply a bog standard pre-match press conference and there nothing wrong with these comments from PL. What's he supposed to say? "If we don't sign anyone then we are going down"? That may or may not turn out to be the case but there is no way he could even entertain saying such a thing in a press conference. All he is doing there is saying that he would do his best with the existing squad if we were not able to get anyone else in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 18, 2013, 04:17:25 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: eamonn on January 18, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
Maybe the answer is to get Mary Harney in the dug-out?

She could do a job in defence I reckon.

*if my friend read this.....

Now that is a sobering vision.
Quote from: Irish villain on January 18, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: eamonn on January 18, 2013, 03:12:48 PM
Maybe the answer is to get Mary Harney in the dug-out?

She could do a job in defence I reckon.

*if my friend read this.....

A one woman "Park the bus". Christ.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 18, 2013, 04:21:31 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 18, 2013, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 18, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
Hung out to dry?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-1219781

Get Dunne, Vlaar and Bent in quick and we have players that can keep us up but would love a couple in . Lescott and Sissoko would keep us up. I mean on their day , Bent , Ireland , Nzogbia, Gabby and Dunne should be good enough to keep you in the prem but those dys seem to have gone.

Before Lambert contemplates bringing players in, he has got to decide on a formation going forward and then plan accordingly. With Dunne and Vlaar back, we might return to a 3-5-2 with Vlaar and Clark / Baker either side of Dunne, and Lowton and Bennett wing-backs (though we may need another option in that position). With the decent forward options we have, we might only really need a couple of central midfielders if we go with that formation. Obviously if he sees us playing another formation going forward then the required personnel will change.
Good points, Tom; as long as all the key players stay fit ...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 18, 2013, 06:27:07 PM: I take what Lambert says with a pinch of salt, he's hardly about to say 'we're screwed if we don't sign anyone, because this lot are shite' is he?

24 hour news has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 18, 2013, 06:55:39 PM: At this point I'd be happy with Chimbonda on loan...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 18, 2013, 07:00:03 PM: Quote from: Rancid custard on January 18, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
At this point I'd be happy with Chimbonda on loan...

;D That's how desperate we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 18, 2013, 07:02:30 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 18, 2013, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: Rancid custard on January 18, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
At this point I'd be happy with Chimbonda on loan...

;D That's how desperate we are.
Beye > Chimbonda
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on January 18, 2013, 07:53:28 PM: Birmingham airport's closed - finally, a reason we haven't signed anyone!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 18, 2013, 08:50:33 PM: Quote from: Chipsticks on January 18, 2013, 07:53:28 PM
Birmingham airport's closed - finally, a reason we haven't signed anyone!
Villa airport also at a stand still - all flights to Witton island cancelled. Signings this weekend will be limited to Scandinavian defenders in Volvo's with snow chains.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 09:02:06 PM: Quote from: russon on January 18, 2013, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 17, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Is that the famous IanB?
We are the famous, the famous IanB!

How's it goin Ian? Drop me a line when you've chance. Going to Simple Minds at Wolvo in March?

Sure will, let's have a coffee soon? Of course!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 09:04:50 PM: Quote from: richard moore on January 18, 2013, 02:16:39 PM
Nice to have you back Ian, hope all is well with you!

Did I see Villa Submariner back on here too, albeit under a different guise?

Good time to all rally round for the cause

Thanks Rich, much better thanks.

Bazza's here there and everywhere, he stalks the world in his throbbing tube of black death...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 09:05:20 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 18, 2013, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 17, 2013, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: IanB on January 17, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Of course there's money.

Good to have you back Ian, hope things are well with you.

Thanks, that's very kind, much better thanks.

So... with your return, and welcome back, what is with the cryptic watching people? Should anyone be worried?

Thanks for the welcome.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:25:33 PM: You know Ian some people might associate your sudden return during the January transfer window as an omen that something, anything good might actually happen in the next 13 days. No pressure like.

Good to have you back sir
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IanB on January 18, 2013, 09:28:21 PM: Haha. I come bearing gifts. One called
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 09:30:41 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
You know Ian some people might associate your sudden return during the January transfer window as an omen that something, anything good might actually happen in the next 13 days. No pressure like.

Good to have you back sir

Looking at location and signature, I am more concerned that Ian is scouting for a good grassy knoll!

The manager has made it fairly clear that there is not going to be a huge amount of activity, so I think we can forget about the likes of Sissoko and think maybe Boateng and Sinclair on loan. Inspiring stuff this window when you are in the bottom 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:45:12 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
You know Ian some people might associate your sudden return during the January transfer window as an omen that something, anything good might actually happen in the next 13 days. No pressure like.

Good to have you back sir

Looking at location and signature, I am more concerned that Ian is scouting for a good grassy knoll!

The manager has made it fairly clear that there is not going to be a huge amount of activity, so I think we can forget about the likes of Sissoko and think maybe Boateng and Sinclair on loan. Inspiring stuff this window when you are in the bottom 3.

I am still holding out for all of that to be a bluff and Gandalf the White will be seen on top of the hill to save us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 09:47:13 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 18, 2013, 09:25:33 PM
You know Ian some people might associate your sudden return during the January transfer window as an omen that something, anything good might actually happen in the next 13 days. No pressure like.

Good to have you back sir

Looking at location and signature, I am more concerned that Ian is scouting for a good grassy knoll!

The manager has made it fairly clear that there is not going to be a huge amount of activity, so I think we can forget about the likes of Sissoko and think maybe Boateng and Sinclair on loan. Inspiring stuff this window when you are in the bottom 3.

I am still holding out for all of that to be a bluff and Gandalf the White will be seen on top of the hill to save us.

Lol....

Our team are more likely to have Frodo wiggling his hairy toe at us than Gandalf spreading some magic dust.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 18, 2013, 10:16:55 PM: Keep the faith all will be well, when i've finished my eighteen holes of golf in a balmy 24 degrees and sank a few beers out on the decking i will return, confident that our manager has everything under control. With the return of Ian i feel a halo of positivity surrounding me. Got to dash, be late for tee off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 11:22:31 PM: Its being reported Lambert might not sign anyone this window. Trying for 'one or two' but 'we go with what we ve got'. I really dont understand why randy wont show the money.. Its a case that alot more income next season or face the drop and massive financial implications. This is so annoying if true that we re okay if we dont sign anyone. Arghhh !! :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM: Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 11:35:01 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.

True, if it includes a fit Dunne and Vlaar, and Bent in the team with Benteke, then we stand a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 11:47:26 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.

i do hope so.. Though chaps im not convinced with dunne being able to return to any sort of form. Be tough for him to pick up match fitness be a few months and several games before he can be 100% and then how good wud he be?

True, if it includes a fit Dunne and Vlaar, and Bent in the team with Benteke, then we stand a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 18, 2013, 11:49:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.

True, if it includes a fit Dunne and Vlaar, and Bent in the team with Benteke, then we stand a chance.
Not with the midfield we have. There has been post after post about the weakness of our midfield, for me it always has been and still is the problem. Get that sorted then we might have half a chance, as it is, no chance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 18, 2013, 11:49:32 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 18, 2013, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.

i do hope so.. Though chaps im not convinced with dunne being able to return to any sort of form. Be tough for him to pick up match fitness be a few months and several games before he can be 100% and then how good wud he be?

True, if it includes a fit Dunne and Vlaar, and Bent in the team with Benteke, then we stand a chance.

If Dunne can organise a defence better than Ciaran Clark, he can play on crutches and we'd still be better off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 19, 2013, 12:21:27 AM: Well, nothing in Saturday's papers regarding Villa and transfers.
Very worrying indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2013, 01:05:11 AM: Quote from: walsall villain on January 18, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 18, 2013, 11:35:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 18, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Really depends on his view of 'what we've got'. If that includes Bent we've every chance. If not we're fucked.

True, if it includes a fit Dunne and Vlaar, and Bent in the team with Benteke, then we stand a chance.
Not with the midfield we have. There has been post after post about the weakness of our midfield, for me it always has been and still is the problem. Get that sorted then we might have half a chance, as it is, no chance

Agree WV - the midfield should protect the defence, break up play, provide creativity and make chances. Our midfield hasn't done any of that for a couple of seasons now and central midfield has been our main problem since Milner left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 19, 2013, 01:40:06 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 19, 2013, 12:21:27 AM
Well, nothing in Saturday's papers regarding Villa and transfers.
Very worrying indeed.

Terrifying. Also rage inducing that Liverpool now seem in for Countinho. The club clearly have just given up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2013, 04:00:41 AM: As each day goes by I am more convinced that Lambert will get his own way and attempt to prove that he can get out of the mess of his own creation with the the squad he has. He will be proved wrong but the owner does not have the will or the presence to front down the manager and in any well run football club the chief executive would fill that role for the owner but Faulkner is not up to the job. We will go into February with essentially the same demoralized squad and that will be that.

If Lerner lived in Sutton Coldfield it might be different but he doesn't. He lives on the end of a telephone line three thousand miles away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 08:10:37 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 04:00:41 AM
As each day goes by I am more convinced that Lambert will get his own way and attempt to prove that he can get out of the mess of his own creation with the the squad he has. He will be proved wrong but the owner does not have the will or the presence to front down the manager and in any well run football club the chief executive would fill that role for the owner but Faulkner is not up to the job. We will go into February with essentially the same demoralized squad and that will be that.

If Lerner lived in Sutton Coldfield it might be different but he doesn't. He lives on the end of a telephone line three thousand miles away.

The lack of public facing leadership is disconcerting in times of trouble. A football man above Lambert bridging football and business would be very helpful. As it is, we are climbing without a rope without an instructor at the bottom to tell people it is not a good idea. Faulkner is a decent business man, but a shocking football CEO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 19, 2013, 08:21:07 AM: Interesting, then, that I read Brian Marwood has been linked with a Director of Football role with us. Could be just another rumour mind..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 08:24:11 AM: I hate Marwood, but a role like that is something we need IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 19, 2013, 08:35:44 AM: We could do with a DoF. I don't think PL would be opposed to it either. If we could have a football mind actually involved in the footballing decisions (which we currently don't) then that could help with the direction the club takes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2013, 09:04:24 AM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 19, 2013, 08:35:44 AM
We could do with a DoF. I don't think PL would be opposed to it either. If we could have a football mind actually involved in the footballing decisions (which we currently don't) then that could help with the direction the club takes.
Is that not what this Karsa fellow was brought in over the summer to do? I thought that he was supposed to be the back-room footballing mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2013, 09:09:19 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 19, 2013, 08:21:07 AM
Interesting, then, that I read Brian Marwood has been linked with a Director of Football role with us. Could be just another rumour mind..

That is good news. We're desperate for such a person within the club (and I have no idea whether Marwood is good or not, but he has been about for a few years so brings a bit of experience and contacts). I would not have a problem with Randy's absence if there was someone filling the void. As it is Faulkner performs quite well with the commercial stuff but there is a complete absence of leadership in the football sense.

The manager seems to run the first team but there appears to be very little strategy in the transition from the good youth set up to first team football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2013, 09:11:40 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 19, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 19, 2013, 08:35:44 AM
We could do with a DoF. I don't think PL would be opposed to it either. If we could have a football mind actually involved in the footballing decisions (which we currently don't) then that could help with the direction the club takes.
Is that not what this Karsa fellow was brought in over the summer to do? I thought that he was supposed to be the back-room footballing mind.

I had him down as the scout and the person that sorts out the first team's administration.

I still think there is room for someone that sits at board room level influencing the strategy from there. Karsa would not do that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM: Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 19, 2013, 09:54:35 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 19, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 19, 2013, 08:35:44 AM
We could do with a DoF. I don't think PL would be opposed to it either. If we could have a football mind actually involved in the footballing decisions (which we currently don't) then that could help with the direction the club takes.
Is that not what this Karsa fellow was brought in over the summer to do? I thought that he was supposed to be the back-room footballing mind.
Don't think so. A DoF works more above the managers head and deals with the board etc. Karsa is just one of PL's backroom staff even if he does have an impressive title (head of football operations isn't it?). Just a glorified scout from what I've heard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 19, 2013, 09:56:21 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!

The context was a big money transfer window like the Bent Makoun one. He left open smaller deals.

Still terrible news of course but not as bad as no transfers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 10:03:24 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 19, 2013, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!

The context was a big money transfer window like the Bent Makoun one. He left open smaller deals.

The question (unless Lambert misunderstood it) was as above. Accepting he does not appear to be good at interviews he is still saying no players coming in.

Of any standard.

Still terrible news of course but not as bad as no transfers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 19, 2013, 10:10:18 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!

What it means is that we won't be spending £25m+ on two players & I think we all know / accept that this would be the case. I'm sure if we can get 2 players in we will, he's just being truthful & saying he can't guarantee that it will happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 19, 2013, 10:13:40 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 19, 2013, 08:21:07 AM
Interesting, then, that I read Brian Marwood has been linked with a Director of Football role with us. Could be just another rumour mind..

If that was the case should have had him in and working for the beginning of Jan at the very latest, too late now to achieve anything for this seasons desperate situation. Good idea moving forward though as many have said we need some footballing nouse at board level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2013, 10:15:12 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 08:24:11 AM
I hate Marwood, but a role like that is something we need IMO.

Me too, if only because he has one ear significantly bigger than the other.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 10:17:49 AM: Quote from: john2710 on January 19, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!

What it means is that we won't be spending £25m+ on two players & I think we all know / accept that this would be the case. I'm sure if we can get 2 players in we will, he's just being truthful & saying he can't guarantee that it will happen.

That's my take on it as well, but the doom and gloom merchants have it as we won't be signing anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM: If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 19, 2013, 10:41:00 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

Lambert won't be happy with Lerner, and vice versa as well. Lets not forget the millions Lmabert wasted on some absolute crap last summer. Between the pair of them we've become an absolute mess.
We've got Laurel and Hardy running the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 10:55:45 AM: Lambert definitely needs to sort his tactics out as well, we don't press the ball anywhere near enough and if you give teams time and space they'll punish you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 19, 2013, 11:07:34 AM: I agree about the mess. Villa have spent over odds on players and now financial prudence. The lower league English players bought seem to have re sell value if they prove they are premier league quality. Beneteke would be sold if we go down for no more than 10mil. I think likes of Hutton and warnock will leave in last week of window maybe with warnock for a nominal fee as he's out of contract. It also sounds like any players villa and Lambert are in for or who he wants are atm a no go and that's why he's saying we'll go with what we ve got. The fact that who ever we sign wont appease the majority of fans. This is due to the likelihood be players who are deemed not good enough/unheard of/surplus to requirements/inexperienced. I fear that signings unless exceptional - which has been categorigally ruled out- wont actually do much to stem the tide. The real work is Lambert and his coaching staff to get a settled formation/team and morale and motivation for the fight of staying in the premier league
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2013, 11:07:50 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Lambert definitely needs to sort his tactics out as well, we don't press the ball anywhere near enough and if you give teams time and space they'll punish you.

You know what, I think that's just a lack of confidence. Lambert's always been about pressing off the ball. The players, however, seem so devoid of belief that they just sit back waiting for things to go wrong, rather than going up and getting at opponents.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 11:11:28 AM: Well it's up to the manager to give them confidence, and times running out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on January 19, 2013, 11:21:27 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Lambert definitely needs to sort his tactics out as well, we don't press the ball anywhere near enough and if you give teams time and space they'll punish you.

You know what, I think that's just a lack of confidence. Lambert's always been about pressing off the ball. The players, however, seem so devoid of belief that they just sit back waiting for things to go wrong, rather than going up and getting at opponents.

This is the truth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 11:29:12 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

I don't know the atmosphere in Villa Park was pretty resigned last weekend. We're not gone yet, and it can be saved but it requires investment, courage and tactical awareness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 19, 2013, 11:34:21 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
Well it's up to the manager to give them confidence, and times running out.

I think he does to an extent. You'll often see us start a half well, knocking the ball around and looking OK only for a couple of misplaced passes to see them go back into their shells. A manager can coach and encourage, cajole and persuade but in the end confidence comes from within and it's just so fragile at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 11:37:14 AM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 19, 2013, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
Well it's up to the manager to give them confidence, and times running out.

I think he does to an extent. You'll often see us start a half well, knocking the ball around and looking OK only for a couple of misplaced passes to see them go back into their shells. A manager can coach and encourage, cajole and persuade but in the end confidence comes from within and it's just so fragile at the moment.

Well that's true, we need the players to step up and show for want of a better word some balls. Hopefully Vlaar will help with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 19, 2013, 11:46:34 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

And all we ever hear from you is how you're so much more of a better fan than everyone else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 19, 2013, 11:55:53 AM: Randy has a lot if money in BoA! They've taken another hit. What's $11.2bn dollars eh? No wonder PL is saying no money in the pot!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21059208
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 19, 2013, 12:01:06 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 19, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
Randy has a lot if money in BoA! They've taken another hit. What's $11.2bn dollars eh? No wonder PL is saying no money in the pot!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21059208

BofA performance recently has been one of the items of good news. The shares have more than doubled in the last year, and BofA have recently negotiated settlements on most of the big claims against them. One of the reasons I hoped Randy might loosen the purse strings a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 19, 2013, 12:03:55 PM: i posted a week or so ago that i'd heard no money unless from sales. looking increasingly likely but ireally hope its bullshit. show us the money RL!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 12:12:50 PM: It's very depressing i must say. I can't work Lerner out. Either he's genuinely a completely out of his depth idiot when it comes to running a football club, or he just has no interest in us to the point of neglect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 12:17:19 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

Attention seeking internet behaviour? No, it's just a different point of view than yours. Why is my expressing it here any more attention seeking than you doing exactly the same?

Besides, it's hardly that dramatic a viewpoint, is it? We're in dreadful form, it seems unlikely at this stage that we'll be bolstering the team any, we're being beaten by the teams around us, and we've been playing some of the poorest football in the league.

Is it such an outlandish thing to suggest that I think we'll get relegated?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2013, 12:31:46 PM: I think it is somewhere between the two Greg. I think he is an introvert so that whatever his feelings are they will never be revealed. I think he was very badly knocked back by the O'Neill exit. I get the feeling that he cannot get his head round the way we regard sport, especially football and what he expected it to be like. English football is steak tartare and he was expecting a Wendy's burger. Neither does he get the tribal bit, the ferocious pride and love of the supporters for a shitty corner of the industrial west midlands.

When he bought the club I think he expected the fans to be like the cheering crowds of english people on The Mall waving to the Queen he had seen on american television.

I also suspect that he does not like one on one confrontation and likes the eyeball to eyeball stuff to be done by his employees. That is where the lack of football genes in Paul Faulkner has let him down.

My son Damon and I spent most of the day on Thursday talking about this issue and we concluded that Randy Lerner is like a jig saw puzzle with a lot of the pieces missing, my metaphor but pretty much what we agreed on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:36:27 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

Attention seeking internet behaviour? No, it's just a different point of view than yours. Why is my expressing it here any more attention seeking than you doing exactly the same?

Besides, it's hardly that dramatic a viewpoint, is it? We're in dreadful form, it seems unlikely at this stage that we'll be bolstering the team any, we're being beaten by the teams around us, and we've been playing some of the poorest football in the league.

Is it such an outlandish thing to suggest that I think we'll get relegated?

Your saying that were more or less down regardless of any business we do, we still have 48 points left to play for and we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference. Yes the current run is shocking but just over a month ago we had beaten Norwich and Liverpool away in the space of a few days to take our unbeaten run to 6 games, this shows that form can change in an instant so there is no way on this earth we should be resigned to championship football at this time!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:37:20 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

And all we ever hear from you is how you're so much more of a better fan than everyone else.

What the fuck are you talking about? Show some examples of this you fucking knob!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:38:50 PM: Personal abuse is not tolerated on this site.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 12:40:29 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:36:27 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

Attention seeking internet behaviour? No, it's just a different point of view than yours. Why is my expressing it here any more attention seeking than you doing exactly the same?

Besides, it's hardly that dramatic a viewpoint, is it? We're in dreadful form, it seems unlikely at this stage that we'll be bolstering the team any, we're being beaten by the teams around us, and we've been playing some of the poorest football in the league.

Is it such an outlandish thing to suggest that I think we'll get relegated?

Your saying that were more or less down regardless of any business we do, we still have 48 points left to play for and we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference. Yes the current run is shocking but just over a month ago we had beaten Norwich and Liverpool away in the space of a few days to take our unbeaten run to 6 games, this shows that form can change in an instant so there is no way on this earth we should be resigned to championship football at this time!

I'm saying that I think we'll be relegated. And you're saying that you think we won't. That's called 'having a different opinion', and isn't 'attention seeking behaviour'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:41:17 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
Personal abuse is not tolerated on this site.

I find his comment personal and abusive and completely wrong!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:41:51 PM: He did not use the term 'fucking knob', though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 19, 2013, 12:41:56 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 12:12:50 PM
It's very depressing i must say. I can't work Lerner out. Either he's genuinely a completely out of his depth idiot when it comes to running a football club, or he just has no interest in us to the point of neglect.

Indeed if he is refusing to invest a few million now, with the prospect of losing a bumper TV and PL package next season looming very large, then it does begin to look like at least one of the above, or possibly both.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:43:24 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:41:51 PM
He did not use the term 'fucking knob', though.

So is it personal abuse or swearing im being pulled up for?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 19, 2013, 12:44:20 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2013, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

And all we ever hear from you is how you're so much more of a better fan than everyone else.

What the fuck are you talking about? Show some examples of this you fucking knob!

Misread this and was just about to get my camera out.....not that I ever know how to post photos on here
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:44:53 PM: Calling him a 'fucking knob' is a mixture of the two.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:47:23 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
Calling him a 'fucking knob' is a mixture of the two.

He made a bizarre accusation for no reason whatsoever, I would class that as the behaviour of a "fucking knob"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richard moore on January 19, 2013, 12:50:02 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:41:51 PM
He did not use the term 'fucking knob', though.

So is it personal abuse or swearing im being pulled up for?

Post of the month that Mons! Made me smile which is bloody difficult at the moment given our situation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:52:22 PM: Quote from: richard moore on January 19, 2013, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:41:51 PM
He did not use the term 'fucking knob', though.

So is it personal abuse or swearing im being pulled up for?

Post of the month that Mons! Made me smile which is bloody difficult at the moment given our situation

Glad to be of service but please remember I'm a better fan than all of you! ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on January 19, 2013, 12:53:33 PM: Quote from: ktvillan on January 19, 2013, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 12:12:50 PM
It's very depressing i must say. I can't work Lerner out. Either he's genuinely a completely out of his depth idiot when it comes to running a football club, or he just has no interest in us to the point of neglect.

Indeed if he is refusing to invest a few million now, with the prospect of losing a bumper TV and PL package next season looming very large, then it does begin to look like at least one of the above, or possibly both.

It's a fair point. Its been questioned on here if he's a crap businessman who can't see that investing in the team now to get the better tv deals next season and recoop the money is the way to go. I am starting to sway and agree with you and other on here that its nothing like that at all. He is just not interested anymore. He's got other priorities. Has left people in charge to run the club and that's that. This was a play toy, it's not like his whole family wealth relies on whether the club does well or not. If it sinks and he sells at a loss. He shrugs his shoulders and moves on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2013, 12:56:25 PM: The thing that does worry me about Lambert ( and no way was I expected this ) is when we are losing , he just sits there and his face looks like he has just recieved a text saying his wife has been shagging his brother.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2013, 12:58:44 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

but 30 points from the last 38 games is not good neither.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 01:02:48 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2013, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 19, 2013, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Montbert on January 19, 2013, 10:33:56 AM
If we don't sign anyone we will go down. It's so stark, and so obvious, and Lambert can't be happy with the situation meaning Lerner has to just realise what the situation is, not what he wishes it was.

For what it's worth, I think we'll go down even if we do sign someone (assuming we're not about to splash out on anyone significantly better than what we have). It's possible, but it seems unlikely that someone like, say, Dale Stephens is going to make such a big difference as to hugely improve our performance.

I just think we'll have to rely on Vlaar staying fit and being better than I think he is (I think he's quite good), N'Zogbia coming into form, and Lambert.....well, Lambert just doing MUCH better all round, really.

Doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.

Were 6 points behind 13th place with 16 games to go and you've already got us down? Absolutely crazy! Is this attention seeking internet behaviour because you don't hear this stuff in pubs. Yes people say their worried but not to the extent you read on here or other Villa portals.

but 30 points from the last 38 games is not good neither.

Yes i agree 100% but saying were down regardless is baffling to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 01:04:46 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 19, 2013, 12:56:25 PM
The thing that does worry me about Lambert ( and no way was I expected this ) is when we are losing , he just sits there and his face looks like he has just recieved a text saying his wife has been shagging his brother.

The thing that worries me is that I am beginning to have more faith in Lerner than Lambert. My mates arriving in 10mins to pick me up and I cant work up any enthusiasum for tonights match at all. Still after a few drinks that might change.

Ah well....We go again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 01:10:23 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
I think it is somewhere between the two Greg. I think he is an introvert so that whatever his feelings are they will never be revealed. I think he was very badly knocked back by the O'Neill exit. I get the feeling that he cannot get his head round the way we regard sport, especially football and what he expected it to be like. English football is steak tartare and he was expecting a Wendy's burger. Neither does he get the tribal bit, the ferocious pride and love of the supporters for a shitty corner of the industrial west midlands.

When he bought the club I think he expected the fans to be like the cheering crowds of english people on The Mall waving to the Queen he had seen on american television.

I also suspect that he does not like one on one confrontation and likes the eyeball to eyeball stuff to be done by his employees. That is where the lack of football genes in Paul Faulkner has let him down.

My son Damon and I spent most of the day on Thursday talking about this issue and we concluded that Randy Lerner is like a jig saw puzzle with a lot of the pieces missing, my metaphor but pretty much what we agreed on.

It's an apt description. Now i admit i'm not an expert on the financial side, but surely if you're a member of some organisation which you know is about to recieve a massive injection of money, you'd try to ensure that short-term you stayed in that organisation to reap the benefits? Borrowing a 100 pounds now, so you're guaranteed to get 10,000 in May seems prudent to me.

Now even if you suffered from a lack of interest in the thing, didn't understand it or any other reason, you'd still see the sense of putting in more money till May surely? Maybe it's us who don't get it and it will in fact be cheaper for Lerner if we're in the Championship. If anyone has a theory on that one then i'm all ears.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:30:06 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
Calling him a 'fucking knob' is a mixture of the two.

He made a bizarre accusation for no reason whatsoever, I would class that as the behaviour of a "fucking knob"

It's not though is it? When someone vents spleen on here you're immediately at them with the name calling and personal abuse, as if they're somehow a lesser supporter than you for being down in the dumps.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 19, 2013, 01:32:54 PM: There really is no secret to football, the best teams have the best players. I'm struggling to see 3 teams worse than us. Unless Lerner finds some money we're relying on luck and Lambert's managerial ability.

Lerner really does have a responsibility to find more money. If I go to school and a kid I'm teaching doesn't have a pen I have to give him a pen, it doesn't matter that I gave that same kid a pen last week. It doesn't matter that I had a load of pens last week and I have none now, I'll be expected to find that kid a pen. It comes with the job. So does owning a football club, whilst Lerner is the owner of Villa he has the responsibility of funding it properly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 01:36:31 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
Calling him a 'fucking knob' is a mixture of the two.

He made a bizarre accusation for no reason whatsoever, I would class that as the behaviour of a "fucking knob"

It's not though is it? When someone vents spleen on here you're immediately at them with the name calling and personal abuse, as if they're somehow a lesser supporter than you for being down in the dumps.

Show me one example, I know for certain i don't think im a better fan than anyone so im putting it down to your mis interpretation of my posts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:41:16 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 19, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
Calling him a 'fucking knob' is a mixture of the two.

He made a bizarre accusation for no reason whatsoever, I would class that as the behaviour of a "fucking knob"

It's not though is it? When someone vents spleen on here you're immediately at them with the name calling and personal abuse, as if they're somehow a lesser supporter than you for being down in the dumps.

Show me one example, I know for certain i don't think im a better fan than anyone so im putting it down to your mis interpretation of my posts.

Well you've already claimed someone to be an 'internet attention seeker' in this thread alone. Why don't you cut that shit out and debate properly? It's that aggressive stance that makes your posts read 'better fan than you'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 19, 2013, 01:41:32 PM: Pack it in both of you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:44:01 PM: Fair enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 19, 2013, 01:44:59 PM: Hesitate to ask, but has anyone got any speculation, lies, absolute crap or a Bosman rumour?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 01:47:05 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 19, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Hesitate to ask, but has anyone got any speculation, lies, absolute crap or a Bosman rumour?

heh. Think you know the answer to that one already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:47:38 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 19, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Hesitate to ask, but has anyone got any speculation, lies, absolute crap or a Bosman rumour?

I've heard a whisper that Joe Kinnear is being lined up if we get rid of Lambert...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2013, 01:48:38 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
I think it is somewhere between the two Greg. I think he is an introvert so that whatever his feelings are they will never be revealed. I think he was very badly knocked back by the O'Neill exit. I get the feeling that he cannot get his head round the way we regard sport, especially football and what he expected it to be like. English football is steak tartare and he was expecting a Wendy's burger. Neither does he get the tribal bit, the ferocious pride and love of the supporters for a shitty corner of the industrial west midlands.

When he bought the club I think he expected the fans to be like the cheering crowds of english people on The Mall waving to the Queen he had seen on american television.

I also suspect that he does not like one on one confrontation and likes the eyeball to eyeball stuff to be done by his employees. That is where the lack of football genes in Paul Faulkner has let him down.

My son Damon and I spent most of the day on Thursday talking about this issue and we concluded that Randy Lerner is like a jig saw puzzle with a lot of the pieces missing, my metaphor but pretty much what we agreed on.

I like that analogy Brian. What err puzzles me is that Randy and Faulkner are presumably intelligent people, so they should be able to identify that there "are pieces missing" therefore one of them should have the balls to rectify this situation. For example do you think they both believe that there is enough football intelligence in the upper echelons of the club? Or more to the point that the decision making over the last few years (on a football level) has been of the standard they expect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 19, 2013, 01:49:33 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 19, 2013, 01:41:32 PM
Pack it in both of you.

Ok.

I would like to apologise to anyone if they believe me to have been aggressive, anyone that knows me will know I'm not I will address my posting style.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2013, 01:49:37 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2013, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 19, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Hesitate to ask, but has anyone got any speculation, lies, absolute crap or a Bosman rumour?

I've heard a whisper that Joe Kinnear is being lined up if we get rid of Lambert...

I'm hoping for Roy Kinnear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on January 19, 2013, 02:24:50 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 19, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
There really is no secret to football, the best teams have the best players.

There was some research done a few years ago that concluded that the best indicator of success in the Premier League was the wage bill. More wages = more success. Simple.

We have (understandably) reduced the wage bill...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 19, 2013, 02:29:42 PM: Soccer Saturday are currently highlighting how its obvious that PL is not getting 'any help' and has 'no money' to spend!
Jesus fucking Christ.
We are a LAUGHING STOCK
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on January 19, 2013, 02:29:53 PM: I can understand the point of not throwing a massive amount of money at it now, if it leaves the club with a considerable wages bill for years and those players are a short term fix and do not fit into how the club wants to develop moving forward.

I cannot understand how we seem to lack innovative thinking in transfers. I would have thought that the obvious answer would be short term loans that do not tie us up financially for years to come. Football across Europe is in a bit of a financial mess. Added to the fact that players in Europe seem quite happy to move around and the clubs themselves seem to not have an issue with it either, unlike in England where we think the ways of 30 years ago should still hold strong. There are many players around Europe that are in the final year of their contract. Together with the fact that the PL is where the money is (other than with the elite clubs in Spain, Italy, Germany etc). Surely we could attract a few, even if it is only putting them in the shop window for a move to another club in the summer. Paying their club, say, £1.5m for the loan and the player £100k per week would cost about £3m per player. At those rates you would get a quality player and two or three would get what we require for less than £10m. It would be £10m dead money but to stay in the PL, it would be a sound investment. Come the summer we could then get back to looking at the long term strategy.

One alternative is to do little and take a massive gamble which looks to be odds against succeeding as it looks at the present. The other is to do little and accept going out of the PL and look to ensure we come back in one season with a stronger squad, although this would not be easy. The new finance deal is for 3 years, so we would be losing out one year in exchange for a parachute payment (they are talking about this going up from £16m to £25m) provided that we come straight back up. Again, this is a big risk and we could go the other way. Another question is whether it is easy to develop a stronger squad for the future by staying in the PL and struggling or going down and building from there with more confidence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2013, 03:16:13 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on January 19, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
I can understand the point of not throwing a massive amount of money at it now, if it leaves the club with a considerable wages bill for years and those players are a short term fix and do not fit into how the club wants to develop moving forward.

I cannot understand how we seem to lack innovative thinking in transfers. I would have thought that the obvious answer would be short term loans that do not tie us up financially for years to come. Football across Europe is in a bit of a financial mess. Added to the fact that players in Europe seem quite happy to move around and the clubs themselves seem to not have an issue with it either, unlike in England where we think the ways of 30 years ago should still hold strong. There are many players around Europe that are in the final year of their contract. Together with the fact that the PL is where the money is (other than with the elite clubs in Spain, Italy, Germany etc). Surely we could attract a few, even if it is only putting them in the shop window for a move to another club in the summer. Paying their club, say, £1.5m for the loan and the player £100k per week would cost about £3m per player. At those rates you would get a quality player and two or three would get what we require for less than £10m. It would be £10m dead money but to stay in the PL, it would be a sound investment. Come the summer we could then get back to looking at the long term strategy.

One alternative is to do little and take a massive gamble which looks to be odds against succeeding as it looks at the present. The other is to do little and accept going out of the PL and look to ensure we come back in one season with a stronger squad, although this would not be easy. The new finance deal is for 3 years, so we would be losing out one year in exchange for a parachute payment (they are talking about this going up from £16m to £25m) provided that we come straight back up. Again, this is a big risk and we could go the other way. Another question is whether it is easy to develop a stronger squad for the future by staying in the PL and struggling or going down and building from there with more confidence.

That's a great post.

The silver lining to the very grey cloud is that this group of young players could really develop if we went down. They'd be a year older/stronger/wiser and you'd hope that they'd develop a bit of a winning mentality. That's not saying I'd want it to happen but you've got to look for the positives and as Newcastle showed taking a step back can make you stronger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:25:42 PM: It sounds perverse but this puzzle based on the examination of the personalities at the heart of the problems our club faces is in its own way challenging and I shall miss it when it has gone. It is like an infernally difficult cryptic crossword puzzle.

We have an owner who is fabulously wealthy but has seemingly gone from generosity to parsimony in a very short space of time. Why? Banking crash? The global economy? His divorce? Far sighted prudence and forward planning? We have a chief executive who appears to be devoid of any grasp of football. Is this a fair judgement of him? Does it matter? Is benign absence of day to day involvement in football matters to be applauded or corrected?

Then we have a manager who until our stepping off the cliff at Chelsea was regarded as young rising star of management with a new style of finding and moulding cheap young players into competent attractive footballing units. The results since Liverpool have had him looking like a man in a dream, out of his depth and floundering. He could not or would not bind the wounds of the Chelsea massacre of the innocents and sent them out like the remnants of the Light Brigade to charge the Russian guns again getting successively more humiliatingly smashed in every game. He has been put to the test and found very seriously wanting.

The final dimension of this brain teaser is that we now have less than two weeks in which the deployment of money could yield the priceless dividend of saving our place in the Premiership but none of the three main players - the owner, the CEO or the Manager seems able to take a lead and say we need this many players in these positions let's get them and at least stand a chance of staying up so that in the summer we can go back to the drawing board and produce a long term plan.

It's like three lodgers in the same house which is on fire refusing to call the fire brigade because it was not them who started the fire.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2013, 03:28:43 PM: Dale Stephens has scored.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:31:47 PM: I have only two words to say to those foolish enough to think that getting back into the Premiership would be a formality. Bradford City.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2013, 03:33:34 PM: With the chances we had, we could have easily battered Bradford on another day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2013, 03:39:26 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:25:42 PM
...none of the three main players - the owner, the CEO or the Manager seems able to take a lead

This is the nail on the head - It is difficult to know who is running the club. I suggest it is a reason that MON did quite well as his megalomanic personality would have thrived in such a vacuum of authority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2013, 03:40:03 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 18, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
While we're waiting, Staunton's, Ugo's and Taylor's view on our problems

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264164/Aston-Villa-problems-Ugo-Ehiogu-Steve-Staunton-Garry-Thompson-Ian-Taylor-opinions.html)

I like Bruno's comments the best.

'Playing at it.'

Quite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 19, 2013, 03:40:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 19, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
With the chances we had, we could have easily battered Bradford on another day.

maybe Brian meant what happened to Bradford City in general, ie their fall to Div 3, rather than the cup tie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2013, 03:42:45 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 19, 2013, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 19, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
With the chances we had, we could have easily battered Bradford on another day.

maybe Brian meant what happened to Bradford City in general, ie their fall to Div 3, rather than the cup tie

I took it to mean going away to lower opposition who are the clear underdog,treating it as their cup final and lifting themselves to new levels.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bob on January 19, 2013, 03:45:08 PM: You are on fire with the metaphors lately, Brian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:52:14 PM: I am aren't I bob. I compare myself to Hedley Lamar in Blazing Saddles. My head is seething and teeming and exploding with thoughts of all kinds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on January 19, 2013, 04:12:44 PM: Not having anybody other than the manager to talk to the media is hurting us badly. Lambert is having to face up on his own and sometimes to questions that he should not be answering. The media know this and he is being entrapped with their line of questioning. You have to feel for him in the difficult situation as it looks to the world that he is carrying the burden of the whole club.

We need a respected football person at the club, whether it be at board level or not, that can be the PR face of Aston Villa. This person would need to be a good speaker and have the ear of key people in the media. Somebody to put over what the club are trying to achieve. Take the transfer situation as it is now, the supporters are currently merely guessing at the strategy. We do not know and it is counter-productive. We want to hear about what is happening at the club so that we can feel part of it, rather than outsiders as it is now. The media need news all of the time and with a bit of spin, we could make things sound far more positive and keep the club in the news for the right reasons. Take the penalty incident last week for instance. Lambert could not come out and be too critical of the referee as he risked a fine. SAF gets away with it all of the time by talking about things like this before the next match all of the time and you cannot tell me that the refs don't think on these things before they go out to ref their games. Having somebody like SGT, for example, on the board and talking about things like this in a general sort of way would, I'm sure, be productive for us.

I am sure this would take a lot of the pressure off the manager so that he could just concentrate on talking about playing matters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 19, 2013, 04:14:26 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 19, 2013, 01:32:54 PM
There really is no secret to football, the best teams have the best players.

True.

But what do you then say of clubs who have spent far less than us, when they too have better players and better squads?

Finance dictates a hell of a lot, but -despite spending far more than Everton and Newcastle (not to mention those powerhouses of the game WBA, Norwich and Swansea) under Lerner's tenure, we have very little to show for it.

There is no divine right in football, and shoddy play or management (of playing personnel or finances) will eventually catch you out. But you'd have got long odds on the likes of the Olbiyun, Norwich and Swansea eclipsing a club of our size -even as recently as 2010. Our decline has been so rapid as to almost be impressive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 19, 2013, 04:28:41 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
It's an apt description. Now i admit i'm not an expert on the financial side, but surely if you're a member of some organisation which you know is about to recieve a massive injection of money, you'd try to ensure that short-term you stayed in that organisation to reap the benefits? Borrowing a 100 pounds now, so you're guaranteed to get 10,000 in May seems prudent to me.

Now even if you suffered from a lack of interest in the thing, didn't understand it or any other reason, you'd still see the sense of putting in more money till May surely? Maybe it's us who don't get it and it will in fact be cheaper for Lerner if we're in the Championship. If anyone has a theory on that one then i'm all ears.....

Indeed, the only explanation is that he see's the extra money just disappearing into the pockets of agents and players rather than his own so he's not arsed about going down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 19, 2013, 05:03:53 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
I am aren't I bob. I compare myself to Hedley Lamar in Blazing Saddles. My head is seething and teeming and exploding with thoughts of all kinds.

The only one I'd say you got wrong Brian was where you'd compared the potential appointment of OGS to an ugly flat chested wife that could cook and was a slut...personally I would've gone with an arranged marriage where it was possible the wife would've turned out to be a stunner, could cook, and would suck you off upon your return from work, only to cook you the best meal ever and then shag your brains out....I know it's tomatoes tomatos, but hey!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2013, 05:40:15 PM: I guess a CB is near the top of the list again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 19, 2013, 07:41:18 PM: I honestly don't think we'll bring anybody in, or at best one loan.
That Norwegian Centre Half who has gone to Southampton would have been an excellent addition for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 07:49:50 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 19, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
I honestly don't think we'll bring anybody in, or at best one loan.
That Norwegian Centre Half who has gone to Southampton would have been an excellent addition for us.

But the we would be castigated for him having no experience
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 19, 2013, 07:52:45 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 19, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
I honestly don't think we'll bring anybody in, or at best one loan.
That Norwegian Centre Half who has gone to Southampton would have been an excellent addition for us.

But the we would be castigated for him having no experience

He's 24 though, not green like our current defence, played in Championship winning side and won caps for Norway.
There most be similar players of his ilk available in Northern Europe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 08:36:03 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 19, 2013, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 19, 2013, 07:41:18 PM
I honestly don't think we'll bring anybody in, or at best one loan.
That Norwegian Centre Half who has gone to Southampton would have been an excellent addition for us.

But the we would be castigated for him having no experience

He's 24 though, not green like our current defence, played in Championship winning side and won caps for Norway.
There most be similar players of his ilk available in Northern Europe.

I agree there must. I reckon scout well and you could pick up 4 players in the positions we need for under 15 million. Indeed look at Westwood and vlaar. Clark looked better with vlaar and had Lowton not had to move I and licjaj come on we may have seen it through.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 19, 2013, 08:39:53 PM: Well Sissokho is available for £3.5m, a player like him would probably add 10/15 points a season, 4 in the last 2 away games for instance.Wea re not that far away.For example if you sold Bent, and bought Capoue and Sissokho, then you would be in the top 8 with just those 2 players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 19, 2013, 09:11:01 PM: It's so obvious that a good midfield signing alone would do wonders with us. If that defence had a bit more grit/protection in front of it, we'd probably be at least two or three points better off than we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM: Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 09:35:37 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious

Stop giving Benteke people to mark would help!

Put him near post and say clear the ball son.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:40:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious

Stop giving Benteke people to mark would help!

Put him near post and say clear the ball son.

well i'm old school and don't believe forwards should be anywhere near their own penalty area. They see the open goal, the old red mist comes down and calamity often occurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2013, 09:43:41 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
well i'm old school and don't believe Dunne should be anywhere near his own penalty area. He sees the open goal, the old red mist comes down and calamity often occurs

Fixed for you Greg.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 09:43:56 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious

Of course it does, they passed straight through midfield to Lukaku which conceded the corner. More protection = more balls won = less set pieces. (In theory)

Rumour on twitter that Dale Stephens has sorted out his house up here, but we are still haggling over the fee.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 19, 2013, 09:46:47 PM: Westwood,Vlar and Lowton all bought by Lambert and all worth more than we paid so the Guy can spot a good player, we are not far away from having a decent squad but for how long have we been saying that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 19, 2013, 09:47:38 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious

AKA doing a Heskey, for his many many faults Heskey was great at defending corners

Stop giving Benteke people to mark would help!

Put him near post and say clear the ball son.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:51:56 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
well i'm old school and don't believe Dunne should be anywhere near his own penalty area. He sees the open goal, the old red mist comes down and calamity often occurs

Fixed for you Greg.

heh. I'll keep that and cut 'n paste it when the lumbering berk finally gets fit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:57:34 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Protection has nothing to do with it when you let goals in at corners and setpieces. Thats just being well organised in defence. We're not despite it being blindlingly obvious

Of course it does, they passed straight through midfield to Lukaku which conceded the corner. More protection = more balls won = less set pieces. (In theory)

Rumour on twitter that Dale Stephens has sorted out his house up here, but we are still haggling over the fee.

look there's loads of teams out there who have a bobbins midfield and concede a lot of freekicks and corners. Doesn't mean your defence can't defend them. Admittedly our midfield offers precious little protection to the defence when the ball is just with the opposition and they could do with a bit of help.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 19, 2013, 10:04:12 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 19, 2013, 09:46:44 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted but in the Saturday Digest column of this mornings Mail I came across this.

but when asked about the chances of signing players Lambert replied 'none whatsoever' 'Darren Bent and Jean Makoun? we are nowhere near that'

Could mean anything but he appears to be saying none whatsoever!

Think he means we not about to spend £24m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2013, 10:05:54 PM: I think part of our issue is that we have such a small side, losing Baker and having Bannan on limits you even more. Benteke, Vlaar, Lowton and Clark are your only real markers.

Would love to get Stephens and a real destroyer into the squad to save us from Bannan and Holman! Still like Sinclair on loan which is allowed in the rules.

Centre back - god knows. Must be one out there though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM: We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 19, 2013, 10:36:09 PM: Big if. And I'm not sure I agree. I'd be happier with another one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 19, 2013, 10:40:22 PM: If we can get 3 in it would make a real difference. Centre half, defensive mid and a left back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on January 19, 2013, 10:43:08 PM: To be honest just a quality defensive midfielder would probably make enough of a difference
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villadam on January 19, 2013, 11:43:33 PM: cant see us signing a left back we already have 3 first team left backs. A DM for me is a must to help the defence out and fill that hole we have between mid and defence
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2013, 12:03:53 AM: How come Given wasn't on the bench tonight?

Would that suggest he's on his way out?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2013, 12:04:33 AM: Quote from: mrastonvilla on January 19, 2013, 10:43:08 PM
To be honest just a quality defensive midfielder would probably make enough of a difference

Yup.

Enormous difference. If we don't get one, I am going to self immolate myself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 12:11:39 AM: Given has a hamstring injury and Weimann has a virus from Bennett.

And we still need 2 mids and a centre half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 20, 2013, 12:14:12 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.

That's a big if, so far at least 2 of our centre half's have been injured at some point. Baker & Herd seem to be injury prone too, we need another defender, preferably one who can also cover at left back. Our defensive cover is shite, when we loose players those who come in are not good enough. If we can't sell Warnock & Hutton they should be brought back into the squad.

Also the fact that all we have to cover our midfield two are Ireland, Bannan, Holman & KEA none of whom have shown that they are anywhere near good enough either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 20, 2013, 12:53:11 AM: That Dale Stephens we're supposed to be after?

Cracking goal today but I'd say he likes a pie or two by the looks of him. He's got a bigger arse than Gareth Barry. I'd hope we can do better tbh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 AM: We need a centre half in pronto. Herd and Lowton aren't good enough to play there. Baker, Dunne and Vlaar are injury prone. Someone on loan with a view to a permanent move ideally. Is Micah Richards back from injury yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 08:21:18 AM: Quote from: john2710 on January 20, 2013, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.

That's a big if, so far at least 2 of our centre half's have been injured at some point. Baker & Herd seem to be injury prone too, we need another defender, preferably one who can also cover at left back. Our defensive cover is shite, when we loose players those who come in are not good enough. If we can't sell Warnock & Hutton they should be brought back into the squad.

Also the fact that all we have to cover our midfield two are Ireland, Bannan, Holman & KEA none of whom have shown that they are anywhere near good enough either.

The issue is we have a decent 1st team, but beyond that there is sweet fa in quality apart from up front.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 20, 2013, 08:41:48 AM: Quote from: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
We need a centre half in pronto. Herd and Lowton aren't good enough to play there. Baker, Dunne and Vlaar are injury prone. Someone on loan with a view to a permanent move ideally. Is Micah Richards back from injury yet?
Quote from: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
We need a centre half in pronto. Herd and Lowton aren't good enough to play there. Baker, Dunne

and Vlaar are injury prone. Someone on loan with a view to a permanent move ideally. Is Micah

Richards back from injury yet?

You raise a query about our fitness of our players and then mention Richards who very injury prone!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 08:47:55 AM: Personally I'd go and get Scott Dann from Blackburn to help shore the defence up. We simply cannot rely on BAker given his fitness record.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 09:17:41 AM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 20, 2013, 08:41:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
We need a centre half in pronto. Herd and Lowton aren't good enough to play there. Baker, Dunne and Vlaar are injury prone. Someone on loan with a view to a permanent move ideally. Is Micah Richards back from injury yet?
Quote from: brontebilly on January 20, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
We need a centre half in pronto. Herd and Lowton aren't good enough to play there. Baker, Dunne

and Vlaar are injury prone. Someone on loan with a view to a permanent move ideally. Is Micah

Richards back from injury yet?

You raise a query about our fitness of our players and then mention Richards who very injury prone!

true enough ;D

dann probably isnt the worst shout in the world. not the player or man he once was but is experienced at this level
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM: Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 20, 2013, 09:41:30 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 08:21:18 AM
Quote from: john2710 on January 20, 2013, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.

That's a big if, so far at least 2 of our centre half's have been injured at some point. Baker & Herd seem to be injury prone too, we need another defender, preferably one who can also cover at left back. Our defensive cover is shite, when we loose players those who come in are not good enough. If we can't sell Warnock & Hutton they should be brought back into the squad.

Also the fact that all we have to cover our midfield two are Ireland, Bannan, Holman & KEA none of whom have shown that they are anywhere near good enough either.

The issue is we have a decent 1st team, but beyond that there is sweet fa in quality apart from up front.

We have not got a decent 1st team. It's crap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2013, 09:45:02 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 20, 2013, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 08:21:18 AM
Quote from: john2710 on January 20, 2013, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.

That's a big if, so far at least 2 of our centre half's have been injured at some point. Baker & Herd seem to be injury prone too, we need another defender, preferably one who can also cover at left back. Our defensive cover is shite, when we loose players those who come in are not good enough. If we can't sell Warnock & Hutton they should be brought back into the squad.

Also the fact that all we have to cover our midfield two are Ireland, Bannan, Holman & KEA none of whom have shown that they are anywhere near good enough either.

The issue is we have a decent 1st team, but beyond that there is sweet fa in quality apart from up front.

We have not got a decent 1st team. It's crap.

Yes we have, they were tearing that shower to pieces yesterday.

It's once we lose one or two key players, the ones stepping in aren't up to it, and that's been the case all season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 20, 2013, 09:46:31 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 19, 2013, 10:33:32 PM
We don't need a centre back if Dunne and Vlaar can stay fit.
We're playing three centre halves, but currently only have two fit (Vlaar & Clark). Players like Lowton & Herd are emergency cover and should remain in their better positions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:47:41 AM: See the game changing injury when Delph goes off, the absence of any physical quality was noticeable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 20, 2013, 09:56:43 AM: I think a move for honduran Hendry Thomas who played wigan and now at Colorado rapids
i think he would be affordable and alternative to other solid ex wigan players Mo diame and Wilson Palacios.
Other than that the few options of midfield Tom Huddlestone on loan.
Dare i say it even hayden mullins can do a Job and dig in.
Dan Gosling
Didier Digard who was @ boro now in France.
Capoue and sissoko 2 players who can play defence and midfield.
And O'hara..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on January 20, 2013, 10:00:12 AM: Yep. He was very good indeed.

De Guzman who plays for Swansea has a brother who used to play for Depor in Spain. I think he's 31 but been playing back in N America. Hardly glamorous, but then neither was Darron Gibson for Everton

Mark Davies from Bolton is a good player, though not exactly the sort we need

I think Livermore or Huddlestone, potentially on loan, is the best I can think of.

Stephens from Charlton or Bridcutt from Brighton are supposed to be good, but not exactly premiership pedigree

Aside from that I think we're looking at abroad. I imagine Wanyama is out of our price range
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2013, 10:03:14 AM: Fernando, your points are excellent but you type like that bimbo with the big tits and short skirts I used to employ.

Cup of Nations started last night. I think KEA will be on the "highlights" at seven thirty tonight running behind several people.

If we cannot spot a few better players than we have already from the feast of talent which is on offer there we want our balls cherry blossomed. (The correct Birmingham vulgarity is "balls blacked" but it would look racist and I do not do that thing).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 20, 2013, 10:04:02 AM: A thing in the papers? There's nothing on the BBC gossip pages. I can't accept or believe we're not going to strengthen this relegation bound squad. Surely Lerner and Lambert can see its just not good enough?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2013, 10:08:43 AM: Its almost good enough, its very, very close to being easily mid-table.

We should have beat Swansea and the Albion, at least a point against Southampton and murdered Bradford. Should.

We are two players light. If there isn't much cash (why Lerner, why?) then I can understand Lambert being careful. Getting it wrong could be catastrophic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 20, 2013, 10:30:21 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
Fernando, your points are excellent but you type like that bimbo with the big tits and short skirts I used to employ.

Cup of Nations started last night. I think KEA will be on the "highlights" at seven thirty tonight running behind several people.

If we cannot spot a few better players than we have already from the feast of talent which is on offer there we want our balls cherry blossomed. (The correct Birmingham vulgarity is "balls blacked" but it would look racist and I do not do that thing).

OMG! Okay. Sorry I will be more careful in my typing. Also thankyou for the comparison.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 20, 2013, 10:38:20 AM: Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 10:08:43 AM
Its almost good enough, its very, very close to being easily mid-table.

We should have beat Swansea and the Albion, at least a point against Southampton and murdered Bradford. Should.

We are two players light. If there isn't much cash (why Lerner, why?) then I can understand Lambert being careful. Getting it wrong could be catastrophic.

We have too many 'light players', too many for our own good. Bennett, Bannan, Holman, Lowton, Westwood do not have the weight on them to deal with the type of players other clubs have.

A couple of this type is Ok but especially with Clark playing centre half it is a big disadvantage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 10:44:04 AM: For fucks sake.
We have a forward line that can get us the goals we need, For McGrath's sake let's get a couple of midfelders in and a centre half.
It would completely transform us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 20, 2013, 10:49:55 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 10:44:04 AM
For fucks sake.
We have a forward line that can get us the goals we need, For McGrath's sake let's get a couple of midfelders in and a centre half.
It would completely transform us.

Seems 'bleedin obvious' doesnt it. But we should know on Ist Feb if Lambert' Lerner and Faulkner think along the same lines.

Or perhaps they will say nothing and do nothing especially if we get a couple of wins before the end of the month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 20, 2013, 10:52:34 AM: A centre half and a centre midfielder.

There. Its that easy. Now, go and get them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 20, 2013, 10:58:12 AM: Can't hep but think that this thread is similar to a group of guys who are slowly starving to death, tormenting themselves with descriptions of their favourite foods.

Even BBC and Sky are now of the opinion that Lerner is not going to sign anyone. Lets just hope for the best with what we've got.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 20, 2013, 10:58:49 AM: Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2013, 10:03:14 AM
Fernando, your points are excellent but you type like that bimbo with the big tits and short skirts I used to employ.

Any photos knocking around?

As regards the supposed lack of cash, I can understand Lerner's parsimony to an extent - he's been here long enough to appreciate that January comes with a premium you don't necessarily pay in the summer. However, we made signings last year because they were necessary, not because we were adding to a bloated squad. For the amount we've taken in for our big players over the last four years it seems like we're very puritanical these days about spending even a percentage of what we made.

Two things are very clear to me: if we're pissing about over players that have a market value up to about £4 million, then Lerner's not going to spend anything; and whatever league we start the season in this August, there needs to be a bunch of signings so we're in the Premier League in season 2014/15.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 20, 2013, 11:00:22 AM: Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 10:08:43 AM
Its almost good enough, its very, very close to being easily mid-table.

We should have beat Swansea and the Albion, at least a point against Southampton and murdered Bradford. Should.

We are two players light. If there isn't much cash (why Lerner, why?) then I can understand Lambert being careful. Getting it wrong could be catastrophic.
We should have beaten the Arse and Norwich at home as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 20, 2013, 11:23:21 AM: Sorry but why should we have beaten Norwich at home? We were awful that day!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 20, 2013, 11:24:25 AM: Quote from: Singapore Villa on January 20, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Sorry but why should we have beaten Norwich at home? We were awful that day!

I agree. I was watching the second half through my fingers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Arsey on January 20, 2013, 11:32:40 AM: I really don't think we are anywhere near as bad as people are making out. Vlaar, Gabby and N'Zogbia coming back made a big difference. Delph showed flashes of what could be if he improves his consistency. We coped well with the early injury but Delph getting injured was a disaster. The main problem we have is that some of the players lack experience and most importantly confidence, so when we do concede a goal they shit themselves and run around like headless chickens.

We've had a lot of bad luck with injuries. If it was me, in this window I would put all my eggs in one basket and blow the whole budget (whatever it is) on a quality experienced central midfielder. Gamble that we don't get lots more injuries.

A fully fit Stan in the centre of our midfield would make us a mid-table side in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 20, 2013, 11:51:17 AM: Quote from: Arsey on January 20, 2013, 11:32:40 AM
I really don't think we are anywhere near as bad as people are making out. Vlaar, Gabby and N'Zogbia coming back made a big difference. Delph showed flashes of what could be if he improves his consistency. We coped well with the early injury but Delph getting injured was a disaster. The main problem we have is that some of the players lack experience and most importantly confidence, so when we do concede a goal they shit themselves and run around like headless chickens.

We've had a lot of bad luck with injuries. If it was me, in this window I would put all my eggs in one basket and blow the whole budget (whatever it is) on a quality experienced central midfielder. Gamble that we don't get lots more injuries.

A fully fit Stan in the centre of our midfield would make us a mid-table side in my opinion.

You only have to check the table to see how bad we've been this season.
And sadly, Petrov will never play for us again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2013, 11:54:10 AM: Quote from: peter w on January 20, 2013, 10:52:34 AM
A centre half and a centre midfielder.

There. Its that easy. Now, go and get them.

Don't forget a left-back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dribbler on January 20, 2013, 11:57:52 AM: Have a look at the table and have a look at the results so far this season and the numerous (unwanted) records we have broken. Those tell us how good or bad we are. Yes glimpses of nice football here and there show promise but we need to start delivering and quick.

Every team has bad luck with injuries, it's part and pacel of the game these days and you need to have a squad capable of handling them. We don't and we struggle anyway with a fully fit first 11, who ever that is. We need several players of quality in by the end of the january window or our odds of survival this season are going to be seriously reduced.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 20, 2013, 11:58:13 AM: Quote from: peter w on January 20, 2013, 10:52:34 AM
A centre half and a centre midfielder.

There. Its that easy. Now, go and get them.

I centre mid 100% but is centre back the most urgent place to strengthen after the centre mid? IMO no I'd go for a wing back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 20, 2013, 12:27:19 PM: We are still having the same discussion and names bandied about 3 weeks down the line - really dissappointed not to have seen 1 or 2 in by now as we have dropped points this month while waiting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 20, 2013, 12:31:38 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 10:44:04 AM
For fucks sake.
We have a forward line that can get us the goals we need, For McGrath's sake let's get a couple of midfelders in and a centre half.
It would completely transform us.

yes i agree and is that for john mcgrath's sake ?! A defensive midfielder in his mould who can come in and steady us ! I wonder whatever happened to his career after we released him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 12:34:17 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 10:44:04 AM
For fucks sake.
We have a forward line that can get us the goals we need, For McGrath's sake let's get a couple of midfelders in and a centre half.
It would completely transform us.

It is not bloody rocket science is it. It is not for me even about experience. Another 2 of the standard of Westwood but obviously slightly different would be great in midfield, and a centre half that is actually a centre half!! Zat Knight is a better bet than Herd and Lowton dropping back in there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 20, 2013, 12:37:18 PM: Beginning to think we're waiting on loan deals. It doesn't take this long to buy players who are surplus to requirements at their clubs, and lets be honest thats the market we're in now.. Loans on the other hand require the loaning club to at least have some cover and of course we've got the defeatist faulkner/Lerner mindset of not spending a fortune when we could be in the championship next season
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 12:39:09 PM: I think Wenger said yesterday everyone is waiting till the last week, as the prices will drop and you can get the players you want.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM: Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 12:44:42 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.

Really? Ah well, strange though, my liquid effluent is normally on the money.

As Shakira once sang 'The piss don't lie.'

Maybe they'll bring in a replacement for Sandro?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 20, 2013, 12:57:42 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.
Maybe a Bid for Scott Parker then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:58:03 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.

The lads 6'1 ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 20, 2013, 01:02:29 PM: Tbh, there's not much movement anywhere.

I do think Livermore will be a good player, but not what we need atm.

Still expect 2 signings in the window, every transfer window since RL has been here, we have moaned and worried and the he has delivered, still expect him to do so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2013, 01:05:39 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.

Really? Ah well, strange though, my liquid effluent is normally on the money.

As Shakira once sang 'The piss don't lie.'

Maybe they'll bring in a replacement for Sandro?

That was lost in translation.

It was "the pies don't lie", a lament on Richard Dunne's achillies heel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Arsey on January 20, 2013, 01:22:02 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 20, 2013, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: Arsey on January 20, 2013, 11:32:40 AM
I really don't think we are anywhere near as bad as people are making out. Vlaar, Gabby and N'Zogbia coming back made a big difference. Delph showed flashes of what could be if he improves his consistency. We coped well with the early injury but Delph getting injured was a disaster. The main problem we have is that some of the players lack experience and most importantly confidence, so when we do concede a goal they shit themselves and run around like headless chickens.

We've had a lot of bad luck with injuries. If it was me, in this window I would put all my eggs in one basket and blow the whole budget (whatever it is) on a quality experienced central midfielder. Gamble that we don't get lots more injuries.

A fully fit Stan in the centre of our midfield would make us a mid-table side in my opinion.

You only have to check the table to see how bad we've been this season.
And sadly, Petrov will never play for us again.

Someone of his quality (who were cannot afford it seems).

The table doesn't lie but we have been really unlucky with injuries to our senior players. That isn't a reflection of how poor our first team is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 01:24:27 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.

The lads 6'1 ;)

That's what his Wiki profile says, but the Charlton website has him at 5'7". Noone seems to know!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 20, 2013, 01:28:17 PM: The strategy is simple. At the start of the window we're asking for a top international standard player to boost our squad. By January 29th we're so desperate we're happy to get some fucking reserve on loan from Spurzzz.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CAitken on January 20, 2013, 02:03:12 PM: Quote from: Singapore Villa on January 20, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Sorry but why should we have beaten Norwich at home? We were awful that day!
We were winning until Bennett got sent off, we might have won with 11 v 11
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 02:08:06 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.

The lads 6'1 ;)

That's what his Wiki profile says, but the Charlton website has him at 5'7". Noone seems to know!!

Ah I see what you mean. I think their official site is probably far more likely to be correct than a wiki article. He suddenly doesn't sound quite so appealing anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 20, 2013, 02:25:11 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

He looked more like 6'1" when he scored that goal yesterday. Perhaps he grew in stature!

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.

The lads 6'1 ;)

That's what his Wiki profile says, but the Charlton website has him at 5'7". Noone seems to know!!

Ah I see what you mean. I think their official site is probably far more likely to be correct than a wiki article. He suddenly doesn't sound quite so appealing anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 20, 2013, 02:29:20 PM: He looked more like 6'1" when he scored that goal yesterday. Perhaps he grew in stature!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 02:30:37 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 20, 2013, 09:20:06 AM
Was it Stephens who scored that screamer against Blackburn?

It was him. Interestingly, the footage of his goal on SSN was preceded by a comment on his small stature, with the presenter saying he is only 5' 5". Not exactly what we need at the moment.

The lads 6'1 ;)

That's what his Wiki profile says, but the Charlton website has him at 5'7". Noone seems to know!!

Ah I see what you mean. I think their official site is probably far more likely to be correct than a wiki article. He suddenly doesn't sound quite so appealing anymore.

Wouldn't rule him out totally, but we don't really need another smallish ball player at the moment. One for the summer maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 20, 2013, 02:32:51 PM: Newcastle are trying to do something about their plight. Trying to buy the French defence by the look of it - right back Debuchy already in and centre back Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa due to sign this week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 02:35:29 PM: A good start would be to get Riise from Fulham...he wants out and I think we need experience at LB. He can also deliver a dead ball. Short term deal, won't cost much. No brainer IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 20, 2013, 03:32:50 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.

well not today Scott parker is in. Depends where m'villa goes he may come in so huddlestone be left on bench as cover. As Livermore would then go to qpr
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2013, 03:42:00 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
A good start would be to get Riise from Fulham...he wants out and I think we need experience at LB. He can also deliver a dead ball. Short term deal, won't cost much. No brainer IMO.

I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 20, 2013, 03:55:24 PM: I would be happy with Riise on an 18 month deal (no stupid Beye type deals) as left back is a major weakness whoever plays there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2013, 03:58:00 PM: Can you imagine the Geordie girl in the office at St James Park typing out the team sheet.

"Janice! Howja spell Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa?"

"Who?"

"Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa"

"Fecked if ah know canny lass. Ah couldna spell Sheara"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 04:59:13 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Can you imagine the Geordie girl in the office at St James Park typing out the team sheet.

"Janice! Howja spell Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa?"

"Who?"

"Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa"

"Fecked if ah know canny lass. Ah couldna spell Sheara"

Eeeeeeeeeeeh man. That's class
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 20, 2013, 05:28:14 PM: .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM: Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 20, 2013, 05:33:22 PM: Didnt think the general was still involved?
If that email is true (which I hope if is) then maybe we will get some players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 05:33:55 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691
Fucking hell, no.
He has constant problems with his Cilla, quite apart from the fact that he's shot it.

We don't need forward players anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2013, 05:34:14 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691

He said that a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rioch is King on January 20, 2013, 05:43:16 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691

He said that a couple of weeks ago.

It's good to read someone talking us up though, thank you John.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 20, 2013, 05:44:36 PM: Where's the general thread gone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 20, 2013, 05:44:41 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691

He said that a couple of weeks ago.

Was the last few minutes an optical illusion, its a bit like appearing in an episode of mr benn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 05:54:23 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 20, 2013, 05:44:36 PM
Where's the general thread gone?
Charlie took it prisoner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 20, 2013, 06:11:37 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 20, 2013, 05:28:14 PM
.
Spooky...forces behind our control at work!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 20, 2013, 06:33:37 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 20, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
Carew back?? Apols if put up before.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/john-carew-id-play-aston-villa-free-3755691

He said that a couple of weeks ago.
He is filming in Canada at the moment,and say's that he has blown all his money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2013, 06:59:09 PM: ...on getting Alesha Dixon into bed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 20, 2013, 07:01:04 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 20, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
...on getting Alesha Dixon into bed.
Who is?
The General?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rancid custard on January 20, 2013, 07:11:11 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 20, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
I would be happy with Riise on an 18 month deal (no stupid Beye type deals) as left back is a major weakness whoever plays there.
agreed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 20, 2013, 07:11:36 PM: I'd still like to see Upson brought in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 07:16:30 PM: Upson would be ok on a free
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2013, 07:18:40 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 20, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
...on getting Alesha Dixon into bed.

Money well spent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 07:19:20 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 20, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: eamonn on January 20, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
...on getting Alesha Dixon into bed.

Money well spent.

Too right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 20, 2013, 07:49:08 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 20, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: eamonn on January 20, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
...on getting Alesha Dixon into bed.

Money well spent.

Too right.
Damn sight better than Lee Dixon!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:11:17 PM: Just seen this on mirror website -Not sure it this has been posted -

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert has revealed he is set to leave his kids to battle for survival without any new blood to help them..

But Lambert will not be panic buying and has revealed he will certainly not be spending millions like the club did on Darren Bent two years ago.

He said: “There is a chance of no signings at all. There is also a chance you might try and get someone in so it works both ways.

“We’d try to do something if I thought the people we could get in would make it better. But if we can’t do it and I have to go with the group that’s there, then I’ll go with what’s there.

“What I don’t want to do is fill the place with people I’m bringing in just for the sake of bringing them in.

“It’s the wrong thing to do for this club. It’s wrong if they’re no better than the ones who are already here. I have to bring in people I think will make a major impact.

“A £15million spending spree is not on the agenda, nowhere near it. Loans are not something I’d disregard. I’ll just have to wait and see on that as well.”

Lambert insists he knew the club needed work when he arrived from Norwich in the summer.

“I knew it needed rebuilding which was the great challenge. It’s not something where I’m sitting , thinking: ‘I can’t believe the way it is’.

“I love it, love the challenge of it. I love the pressure of it, love the challenge of it and it’s something you’re determined to get right because if you do you know this is an unbelievable club.

“I understand people who say it wasn’t right five, six, seven years ago. It’s always been a big club. But I’ve been brought in to try and rebuild it and get results while doing it.

“And it does take time. I think someone said the other week it might take you three-four years, to do it. Whether I get that time – I understand what they’re saying.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 20, 2013, 08:16:57 PM: Er, this is just a re-write of his press conference. With added topspin.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2013, 08:22:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Just seen this on mirror website -Not sure it this has been posted -

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert has revealed he is set to leave his kids to battle for survival without any new blood to help them..

But Lambert will not be panic buying and has revealed he will certainly not be spending millions like the club did on Darren Bent two years ago.

He said: “There is a chance of no signings at all. There is also a chance you might try and get someone in so it works both ways.

“We’d try to do something if I thought the people we could get in would make it better. But if we can’t do it and I have to go with the group that’s there, then I’ll go with what’s there.

“What I don’t want to do is fill the place with people I’m bringing in just for the sake of bringing them in.

“It’s the wrong thing to do for this club. It’s wrong if they’re no better than the ones who are already here. I have to bring in people I think will make a major impact.

“A £15million spending spree is not on the agenda, nowhere near it. Loans are not something I’d disregard. I’ll just have to wait and see on that as well.”

Lambert insists he knew the club needed work when he arrived from Norwich in the summer.

“I knew it needed rebuilding which was the great challenge. It’s not something where I’m sitting , thinking: ‘I can’t believe the way it is’.

“I love it, love the challenge of it. I love the pressure of it, love the challenge of it and it’s something you’re determined to get right because if you do you know this is an unbelievable club.

“I understand people who say it wasn’t right five, six, seven years ago. It’s always been a big club. But I’ve been brought in to try and rebuild it and get results while doing it.

“And it does take time. I think someone said the other week it might take you three-four years, to do it. Whether I get that time – I understand what they’re saying.”

Blimey eastie, you're on here so often how can you possibly not know this is from last week? There's nothing new here at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2013, 08:23:47 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Just seen this on mirror website -Not sure it this has been posted -

He said: “There is a chance of no signings at all. There is also a chance you might try and get someone in so it works both ways.

I wish he would say nothing rather than come out with nonsense like this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 20, 2013, 08:24:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Just seen this on mirror website -Not sure it this has been posted -

Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert has revealed he is set to leave his kids to battle for survival without any new blood to help them..

But Lambert will not be panic buying and has revealed he will certainly not be spending millions like the club did on Darren Bent two years ago.

He said: “There is a chance of no signings at all. There is also a chance you might try and get someone in so it works both ways.

“We’d try to do something if I thought the people we could get in would make it better. But if we can’t do it and I have to go with the group that’s there, then I’ll go with what’s there.

“What I don’t want to do is fill the place with people I’m bringing in just for the sake of bringing them in.

“It’s the wrong thing to do for this club. It’s wrong if they’re no better than the ones who are already here. I have to bring in people I think will make a major impact.

“A £15million spending spree is not on the agenda, nowhere near it. Loans are not something I’d disregard. I’ll just have to wait and see on that as well.”

Lambert insists he knew the club needed work when he arrived from Norwich in the summer.

“I knew it needed rebuilding which was the great challenge. It’s not something where I’m sitting , thinking: ‘I can’t believe the way it is’.

“I love it, love the challenge of it. I love the pressure of it, love the challenge of it and it’s something you’re determined to get right because if you do you know this is an unbelievable club.

“I understand people who say it wasn’t right five, six, seven years ago. It’s always been a big club. But I’ve been brought in to try and rebuild it and get results while doing it.

“And it does take time. I think someone said the other week it might take you three-four years, to do it. Whether I get that time – I understand what they’re saying.”
It got posted last week, Eastie. It's a re-hash of a press conference Lambert did.

Old news - either Lambert is blagging potential sellers or there's no dosh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM: Breaking: Spice Girls to split up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2013, 08:26:26 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Breaking: Spice Girls to split up

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2013, 08:26:58 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Breaking: Spice Girls to split up

Wall in Berlin has people hanging off it. Maybe on the verge of coming down. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:27:49 PM: Sorry i must have missed it, only picked up on it on their website tonight .

All seems quiet still regarding links to players , might be a deadline day rush.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 20, 2013, 08:31:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:27:49 PM
Sorry i must have missed it, only picked up on it on their website tonight .

All seems quiet still regarding links to players , might be a deadline day rush.
Arsene certainly thinks so; and there's some who believe that what Arsene thinks is It.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2013, 08:31:45 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.

Aren't they bringing in that German kid with the English parents and name?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 20, 2013, 08:32:34 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 20, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 20, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 20, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Got a feeling in my urine that Huddlestone will be in on loan.
He's been quoted by AVB to be pretty much first choice now that Sandro is out for the year. Non-starter I'm afraid.

Aren't they bringing in that German kid with the English parents and name?

Holtby? Is he not more an attacking mid?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2013, 08:35:38 PM: Thats him, its been all over the papers for some weeks. Dont know about his position other than the story saying he was a replacement for Sandro.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rodders on January 20, 2013, 08:38:59 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
I am aren't I bob. I compare myself to Hedley Lamar in Blazing Saddles. My head is seething and teeming and exploding with thoughts of all kinds.

Hedley Lamarr: My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Taggart: God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2013, 08:44:09 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 20, 2013, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Breaking: Spice Girls to split up

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You bastard Damian. I will never forgive you for this. 2 become 1 is the most incredibly written piece of music in history.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2013, 08:47:15 PM: Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 20, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Breaking: Spice Girls to split up

Wall in Berlin has people hanging off it. Maybe on the verge of coming down. Stay tuned...

It's snowing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 20, 2013, 08:52:27 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 20, 2013, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: ToLambo Villa on January 20, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Breaking: Spice Girls to split up

Wall in Berlin has people hanging off it. Maybe on the verge of coming down. Stay tuned...

It's snowing.

Thats not snow , you just need to use head and shoulders !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:19:51 PM: Taken from www.nationalturk.com but some of it may be lost in translation.

Or made up.

Aston Villa have completed the signing of Man Utd and Liverpool target Wesley Sneijder from Inter Milan on Sunday.

That the agenda for a while Aston Villa's transfer of Wesley Sneijder reached the happy ending. Before the Italian team Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti announced the transfer to be understood in all matters were convinced that the 28-year old Dutch star.

Pravda's Public Disclosure Platform said in a statement, “Wesley Sneijder Inter for the transfer of professional players in the club and the player have agreed with him. Happen health checks will be made public statements about the conditions of the treaty was signed, then” the statement said.

Wesley Sneijder will come to The Bullring for some shopping tomorrow before stretching the Villa shirt at the obligatory Bodymoor Heath photo shoot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 20, 2013, 09:21:40 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:19:51 PM
Taken from www.nationalturk.com but some of it may be lost in translation.

Or made up.

Aston Villa have completed the signing of Man Utd and Liverpool target Wesley Sneijder from Inter Milan on Sunday.

That the agenda for a while Aston Villa's transfer of Wesley Sneijder reached the happy ending. Before the Italian team Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti announced the transfer to be understood in all matters were convinced that the 28-year old Dutch star.

Pravda's Public Disclosure Platform said in a statement, “Wesley Sneijder Inter for the transfer of professional players in the club and the player have agreed with him. Happen health checks will be made public statements about the conditions of the treaty was signed, then” the statement said.

Wesley Sneijder will come to The Bullring for some shopping tomorrow before stretching the Villa shirt at the obligatory Bodymoor Heath photo shoot.
Not a chance of this being true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 20, 2013, 09:21:50 PM: Lol. Nice one mate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 20, 2013, 09:23:49 PM: Written by Yoda that load of shit appears to be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:27:56 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
Written by Yoda that load of shit appears to be.

The article itself is 100% genuine; I have simply altered some of the facts!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 09:29:03 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
Written by Yoda that load of shit appears to be.

The article itself is 100% genuine; I have simply altered some of the facts!

What, so he won't be shopping in the Bullring?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 20, 2013, 09:39:20 PM: Lesley Snijder joins the Astan Filla:
On this news that brings millions of happiness and thousand times of joy in abundance to people of our city that is great and honourable oh I ask you all people to rejoice rejoice rejoice. We salute the nationalturk on bringing us this news of wonder and covered in gold. May we repay you thousand times more in sheepskin covered football boots for your children as you bring joy to out life. Thank you thank you thank you.
To the people of Birmingham in Astana I give you tomorrow as holiday and wait for glory!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 11:26:52 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 20, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 20, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
Written by Yoda that load of shit appears to be.

The article itself is 100% genuine; I have simply altered some of the facts!

What, so he won't be shopping in the Bullring?

No, that bit is true. He will be in Claire's Accessories 2-3pm
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 20, 2013, 11:36:27 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 20, 2013, 09:19:51 PM
Taken from www.nationalturk.com but some of it may be lost in translation.

Or made up.

Aston Villa have completed the signing of Man Utd and Liverpool target Wesley Sneijder from Inter Milan on Sunday.

That the agenda for a while Aston Villa's transfer of Wesley Sneijder reached the happy ending. Before the Italian team Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti announced the transfer to be understood in all matters were convinced that the 28-year old Dutch star.

Pravda's Public Disclosure Platform said in a statement, “Wesley Sneijder Inter for the transfer of professional players in the club and the player have agreed with him. Happen health checks will be made public statements about the conditions of the treaty was signed, then” the statement said.

Wesley Sneijder will come to The Bullring for some shopping tomorrow before stretching the Villa shirt at the obligatory Bodymoor Heath photo shoot.
Bloody hell, it must be true. Earlier this evening I was in the pub with Gary Shaw and what he said were four Norwegian Lions. I did wonder why a bald Dutchman would be a member of the Norwegian Lions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Californian Villain on January 21, 2013, 10:12:28 AM: What is the world coming to? Sneijder has chosen to Galatasaray when he could have come to Villa!

clicky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/20/internazionale-wesley-sneijder-galatasaray)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:15:43 AM: I know there was no chance of him coming here but I think its a joke that one of the world's best plays in... Turkey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 10:17:31 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:15:43 AM
I know there was no chance of him coming here but I think its a joke that one of the world's best plays in... Turkey.

I think he just went where he got offered the most money, which drops him down a peg or two in my book.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 10:29:42 AM: His wage demands were probably sky high.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM: Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 21, 2013, 10:33:09 AM: I'd shudder at the thought of Curtis Davies back, It's cheap though considering he cost us £10m
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:33:31 AM: Really Fletch? No, I think that would be a terrible move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2013, 10:34:01 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I'd pay for him to go there if I could afford it, it will be a tremendous boost to our survival hopes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 21, 2013, 10:36:25 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Really Fletch? No, I think that would be a terrible move.

He's a much better player than when he was here previously and don't forget we evidently haven't got a pot to piss in, so he comes at the right price.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2013, 10:38:22 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Really Fletch? No, I think that would be a terrible move.

He's a much better player than when he was here previously and don't forget we evidently haven't got a pot to piss in, so he comes at the right price.

No, he's just found his level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 21, 2013, 10:40:17 AM: Not good enough for a team challenging for Europe, but an ideal acquisition for a lower league team struggling to avoid relegation like Reading...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:42:04 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

Pub player? I don't think so somehow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:43:25 AM: I dont believe the scare stories regarding money to spend. In fact I've heard quite reliably (usually) that there is some money. No idea how much but enough to be able to afford a couple of decent players perhaps.
I don't want to get bogged down in all that ITK bollocks though. We'll have to see what happens but I reckon it will be the late late show again.

Anyway, there was a time when Davies looked a good player. Especially when he had a spell alongside Laursen and then Knight when Laursen was out. But after a couple of dodgy games he lost his confidence and never really regained it.
I think if he came back he would feel that pressure again and would struggle. So I'd say he isn't the player we need for a relegation scrap. We need somebody with a bit more mental toughness or at the very least, no "baggage" here.
I also think the Championship is his comfort zone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 10:44:03 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

He even said himself he was a pub player
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 10:44:24 AM: curtis is complete bobbins. I can't believe anyone is seriously considering this. What next? A swoop for Beye and Heskey?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

He even said himself he was a pub player

That was after his debut i think, which he was awful and he was honest enough about it. I did'nt think he was that bad up until he picked up that shoulder injury at Anfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 10:46:45 AM: No to Curtis Davies. He wasn't good first time round. Can't see how he would have improved enough to try and get us out of a relegation battle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 10:47:38 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

He even said himself he was a pub player

That was after his debut i think, which he was awful and he was honest enough about it. I did'nt think he was that bad up until he picked up that shoulder injury at Anfield.
His Debut was a game at home to Leicester in the League Cup, which we lost at home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:50:20 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

He even said himself he was a pub player

That was after his debut i think, which he was awful and he was honest enough about it. I did'nt think he was that bad up until he picked up that shoulder injury at Anfield.
His Debut was a game at home to Leicester in the League Cup, which we lost at home.

I was trying to remember who it was against.

I hope he's on the look out for a centre half though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 10:52:41 AM: i don't think i've ever seen a defender so regularly out of position as Davies. Young used to do at least one double take a match when he suddenly found his centre-half more wide than he was. In that respect he'd probably fit right in after the last month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2013, 10:54:12 AM: Didn't Davies already have a history of shoulder injuries before he came to us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 21, 2013, 10:54:57 AM: Three weeks into the transfer window, and given our desperate, desperate, desperate situation, you'd think... ah, you know the rest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2013, 10:55:17 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Really Fletch? No, I think that would be a terrible move.

He's a much better player than when he was here previously and don't forget we evidently haven't got a pot to piss in, so he comes at the right price.

Plenty of centre halves have showed promise but not matured until Davies sort of age.

There are merits, at 1.5 million that I would consider it. He gets the odd goal, and in a back 3 that we play now I think he would probably excel. He is fairly speedy too, which we lack at the back. For 1.5 million, I think he would be a decent signing. And be a better bet than Lowton or Herd with Vlaar, Baker and Clark. Plus he can play the ball from the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:56:31 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2013, 10:54:12 AM
Didn't Davies already have a history of shoulder injuries before he came to us?

I'm not sure. We did pay far too bloody much for him though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 10:56:53 AM: Davies can be good when playing with a big commanding CB partner. That allows him to play just behind in more of a sweeper role, as he did with Laursen. That type of defender though is not what we need right now - the big commanding one is. So he's just not what we need, even if £1.5m is a decent price for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:09:47 AM: Someone should start off a new thread along the lines of. "Who out of MON's top10 transfer disasters could probably do a job for us now? Discuss"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 11:12:24 AM: I have to agree with Greg.
Good lord...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 21, 2013, 11:14:28 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Someone should start off a new thread along the lines of. "Who out of MON's top10 transfer disasters could probably do a job for us now? Discuss"

Habib Beye owes us big time
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 11:14:29 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
Reading are considering a £1.5m move for Birmingham defender Curtis Davies, 27.

Full story: Daily Mirror

I'd consider it at that price.

I've said before i liked him when he was here. That awful game he had against Raipd Vienna did seem to make up a lot of people's minds about him which was a shame. Bearing in mind Baker seems to pick up an injury every 3 games, he might be worth having on the bench.

He had many awful games - pub player , no way would i want him back!

He even said himself he was a pub player

That was after his debut i think, which he was awful and he was honest enough about it. I did'nt think he was that bad up until he picked up that shoulder injury at Anfield.

like someone said Clampy , he looked alright at times playing with Mr Laursen , the problem is , we have not got Laursen in the team and could you imagine him at the back with Clark if Vlaar picked up another injury . Scary thought .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 21, 2013, 11:14:48 AM: Thought Davies was pretty close to cracking it at Villa before that shoulder injury. I liked him, but I think he's got too much to do to win people over if he came back.

I'll be honest, I'd be focusing firmly on 1-2 central midfield players coming in, and look for a six-month loan deal for a CB. Someone who knows the PL well enough. A short -term deal would give us cover for the remainder of the season, protecting us against Dunne relapsing and Baker's recurring knocks.

One or two transfer links emerging today.... Newcastle in for Gouffran, apparently, but offering just £750k... and a freelance journo I follow on Twitter claiming we've had a bid rejected for Danny Graham (how reliable he is, I don't know....)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:16:57 AM: And MFH. Cheap and will raise morale with his comedy cameo's from the bench. Sign hm up Lambert!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 11:18:18 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 21, 2013, 11:14:48 AM
Thought Davies was pretty close to cracking it at Villa before that shoulder injury. I liked him, but I think he's got too much to do to win people over if he came back.

I'll be honest, I'd be focusing firmly on 1-2 central midfield players coming in, and look for a six-month loan deal for a CB. Someone who knows the PL well enough. A short -term deal would give us cover for the remainder of the season, protecting us against Dunne relapsing and Baker's recurring knocks.

One or two transfer links emerging today.... Newcastle in for Gouffran, apparently, but offering just £750k... and a freelance journo I follow on Twitter claiming we've had a bid rejected for Danny Graham (how reliable he is, I don't know....)

Like I said before , a striker ? why ? we dont need one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 11:18:52 AM: Striker is the one position we don't need. In fact, we could probably afford to sell one of Bent or Gabby to help bolster the rest of the side!

I think we WILL sign a midfielder of the defensive variety, but after that who knows?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2013, 11:20:56 AM: Curtis Davies transfer would be fantastic news for us if he signs for any of our rivals in the bottom 6.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 21, 2013, 11:22:16 AM: Im sure there is money available but not a large amount and cannot see lambert being interested in any more forwards at this point , midfield must be the priority and maybe a defender in on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 21, 2013, 11:23:10 AM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 21, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
Three weeks into the transfer window, and given our desperate, desperate, desperate situation, you'd think... ah, you know the rest.

Don't worry - ''we'll be fine''
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 21, 2013, 11:23:25 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 21, 2013, 11:14:48 AM
Thought Davies was pretty close to cracking it at Villa before that shoulder injury. I liked him, but I think he's got too much to do to win people over if he came back.

I'll be honest, I'd be focusing firmly on 1-2 central midfield players coming in, and look for a six-month loan deal for a CB. Someone who knows the PL well enough. A short -term deal would give us cover for the remainder of the season, protecting us against Dunne relapsing and Baker's recurring knocks.

One or two transfer links emerging today.... Newcastle in for Gouffran, apparently, but offering just £750k... and a freelance journo I follow on Twitter claiming we've had a bid rejected for Danny Graham (how reliable he is, I don't know....)

Saw that , also suggested PL not in charge of transfers ..

Gouffran is out of contract in Summer hence low fee , we have been linked in the past.

Hoping Newcastle don't bring anyone in till we play them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 11:24:58 AM: Isn't Gouffran mainly AMC and winger rather than striker even though he can play as one? if he's just about 750k-1 million we should be for him with that kind of money. But as Eastie said, midfield and defense must be the priority.

He -must- buy physical midfielder, in game against WBA we lost all energy from midfield when he had to sub Delph for Bannan and I think it cost us two points.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 11:26:14 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 10:56:53 AM
Davies can be good when playing with a big commanding CB partner. That allows him to play just behind in more of a sweeper role, as he did with Laursen. That type of defender though is not what we need right now - the big commanding one is. So he's just not what we need, even if £1.5m is a decent price for him.

Point taken John (and Juan Pablo). Obviously we can do better than him but i would'nt be too distraught if we did pick him up for that kind of money.

As for Danny Graham, no he's not what we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:27:48 AM: Don;t get why Graham is in such apparent demand. His record is ok but nothing special especially since most of it is in the lower leagues
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 11:29:15 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Someone should start off a new thread along the lines of. "Who out of MON's top10 transfer disasters could probably do a job for us now? Discuss"

ALmost got me in trouble at work.

I had to surpress a big laugh! It is quite remarkable how many oldies we crave. Luke Young, NRC, Davies.

What is Zat Knight at these days? Get on the blower Lambert!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 21, 2013, 11:31:10 AM: Salifou.

(you know it makes sense).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 11:33:38 AM: It's funny, we wanted rid of Sidwell, Ridgewell and Hughes etc... They'd probably all get in this team now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:34:55 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Someone should start off a new thread along the lines of. "Who out of MON's top10 transfer disasters could probably do a job for us now? Discuss"

ALmost got me in trouble at work.

I had to surpress a big laugh! It is quite remarkable how many oldies we crave. Luke Young, NRC, Davies.

What is Zat Knight at these days? Get on the blower Lambert!!

well zat knight technically wasn't a transfer disaster as he did ok 2nd season, and we flogged him for more than we paid. He was an average premier defender which is more than you can say for Davies. Actually that's a good shout.

*slaps face hard*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 21, 2013, 11:36:05 AM: Quote from: LeeS on January 21, 2013, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Someone should start off a new thread along the lines of. "Who out of MON's top10 transfer disasters could probably do a job for us now? Discuss"

Habib Beye owes us big time

Larf, Facepalm, Meh, Bobbins
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2013, 11:50:02 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
well zat knight technically wasn't a transfer disaster as he did ok 2nd season, and we flogged him for more than we paid. He was an average premier defender which is more than you can say for Davies. Actually that's a good shout.

I miss that thing Zat would do when we conceded and it was his fault, which was to stand there pointing in a random direction, at the imaginary 'real' cause of the conceded goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 11:56:14 AM: I would much rather have Knight back than Davies and... I don't really want Knight back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 12:00:25 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
well zat knight technically wasn't a transfer disaster as he did ok 2nd season, and we flogged him for more than we paid. He was an average premier defender which is more than you can say for Davies. Actually that's a good shout.

I miss that thing Zat would do when we conceded and it was his fault, which was to stand there pointing in a random direction, at the imaginary 'real' cause of the conceded goal.

Thought i was a bit harsh on him in retrospective because he was arse to start with. Then he seemed to grasp the rudiments of defending and MON sold him! But then MON wouldn't know a centre half if he was put in stocks while Cahill and Olof blasted the ball at his face. He was ok and looks an inspired signing now compared to some of the defenders MON spent millions on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 12:00:30 PM: If it's Davies or nobody, I'd want Davies back in the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 21, 2013, 12:03:42 PM: The only squad Davies would shine in is Police Squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 21, 2013, 12:07:17 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:27:48 AM
Don;t get why Graham is in such apparent demand. His record is ok but nothing special especially since most of it is in the lower leagues

He did well in the PL last season, and okay again so far this, given his limited starts. I think he's a decent footballer - his first time pass for De Guzman's second at the weekend was very smart.

But - absolutely not what we need at the moment. Saturday showed we have the forward players to hurt teams - Benteke, Gabby, N'Zogbia, and that's also with Weimann and Bent to be able to call on.

Saturday also showed why we need midfield reinforcements primarily.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM: MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 21, 2013, 12:09:31 PM: I suppose he got it right, eventually. Just a shame he spent so much money signing two brand new back fours 12 months apart.

In my opinion, overall, he probably inherited a better defence than anyone he signed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 21, 2013, 12:11:41 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.

Really? Yes, we know the good ones he signed, but Sidwell, Salifou, NRC? And Dunne was a good signing, but Collins was poisonous. I'm just not sure that signings are much of a strength. Sometimes good players, really good players even, but for the amount of money he spends there's just far too much mediocrity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 12:14:36 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 21, 2013, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 11:27:48 AM
Don;t get why Graham is in such apparent demand. His record is ok but nothing special especially since most of it is in the lower leagues

He did well in the PL last season, and okay again so far this, given his limited starts. I think he's a decent footballer - his first time pass for De Guzman's second at the weekend was very smart.

But - absolutely not what we need at the moment. Saturday showed we have the forward players to hurt teams - Benteke, Gabby, N'Zogbia, and that's also with Weimann and Bent to be able to call on.

Saturday also showed why we need midfield reinforcements primarily.

yep. Given decent service, Weimann, Bent , Benteke, Gabby is a far better forward line that you'd usually find down in the relegation area.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 21, 2013, 12:56:36 PM: Mods, is it worth changing the name of this thread to the Hughes/Reo Coker/Mellberg/Davis thread seeing as the only thing we seem to be discussing is which ex players we should get back. I think it is being borne out of a mutual longing for mid table security and the chance of just being 'average' again.

In fact, just bloody lock it off. The constant lack of nothingness as we approach Jim White day is like water torture...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 21, 2013, 01:03:03 PM: The average book is shorter than this thread. I really hope nobody's wasted their time reading it all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 21, 2013, 01:12:54 PM: still more interesting that Satanic Verses
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 21, 2013, 01:15:52 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.

I know their Villa careers didn't coincide with each other, but I would have loved to have seen us field a back four of L Young / Laursen / Mellberg or Dunne / Bouma on a regular basis for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 21, 2013, 01:19:39 PM: I'm at point where I am wanting the window to close to stop other clubs improving to give us more of a chance of staying up!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 01:23:56 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 21, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.

I know their Villa careers didn't coincide with each other, but I would have loved to have seen us field a back four of L Young / Laursen / Mellberg or Dunne / Bouma on a regular basis for a couple of seasons.

If you're going down that route Young is a very weak link in that side, was better on the left than the right. You have to go back a bit further but Mark Delaney is easily the best right back we've had since sky created football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 21, 2013, 01:40:05 PM: Quote from: MoetVillan on January 21, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
still more interesting that Satanic Verses

I really liked that book.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM: Listening to Chelsea's Raimrez who can not speak english so obviously Makoun not playing for us has nothing to do with him not speaking english.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:13:47 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.

remember shorey ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:31:32 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
Listening to Chelsea's Raimrez who can not speak english so obviously Makoun not playing for us has nothing to do with him not speaking english.

Yes it does. The laws for work permits in the UK were changed between us signing him and him coming back from his year away. As he left the country he had to re-apply but one of the changes was to introduce a language requirement to the process. I think the problem is that, whilst he was in France for a long time, he doesn't have french citizenship, which means he has to come on a tier2 visa which has far more requirements.

It's a big failing on the part of the club that, when he was loaned out by TSM, we didn't insist on him keeping up lessons to learn English. I'd hope we have stipulated that this time if we have any plans on seeing him play for us again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 21, 2013, 02:42:21 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 21, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
Really Fletch? No, I think that would be a terrible move.

He's a much better player than when he was here previously and don't forget we evidently haven't got a pot to piss in, so he comes at the right price.

He's matured a lot and is considered to be perhaps the top centre half in the division. (Yes I know, the Championship)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:43:05 PM: MON trying to sign Zarate
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:44:18 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
Listening to Chelsea's Raimrez who can not speak english so obviously Makoun not playing for us has nothing to do with him not speaking english.

Yes it does. The laws for work permits in the UK were changed between us signing him and him coming back from his year away. As he left the country he had to re-apply but one of the changes was to introduce a language requirement to the process. I think the problem is that, whilst he was in France for a long time, he doesn't have french citizenship, which means he has to come on a tier2 visa which has far more requirements.

It's a big failing on the part of the club that, when he was loaned out by TSM, we didn't insist on him keeping up lessons to learn English. I'd hope we have stipulated that this time if we have any plans on seeing him play for us again.

how does Tevez get away with it then ? just wondering
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 02:45:07 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
MON trying to sign Zarate

Either he's been brainwashed or then his chairman has forced him to buy foreign players and use their scouting network.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 21, 2013, 02:45:09 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 21, 2013, 11:14:48 AM
Thought Davies was pretty close to cracking it at Villa before that shoulder injury. I liked him, but I think he's got too much to do to win people over if he came back.

I'll be honest, I'd be focusing firmly on 1-2 central midfield players coming in, and look for a six-month loan deal for a CB. Someone who knows the PL well enough. A short -term deal would give us cover for the remainder of the season, protecting us against Dunne relapsing and Baker's recurring knocks.

One or two transfer links emerging today.... Newcastle in for Gouffran, apparently, but offering just £750k... and a freelance journo I follow on Twitter claiming we've had a bid rejected for Danny Graham (how reliable he is, I don't know....)

Signing a striker would be nuts.

Like I said before , a striker ? why ? we dont need one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:48:26 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
Listening to Chelsea's Raimrez who can not speak english so obviously Makoun not playing for us has nothing to do with him not speaking english.

Yes it does. The laws for work permits in the UK were changed between us signing him and him coming back from his year away. As he left the country he had to re-apply but one of the changes was to introduce a language requirement to the process. I think the problem is that, whilst he was in France for a long time, he doesn't have french citizenship, which means he has to come on a tier2 visa which has far more requirements.

It's a big failing on the part of the club that, when he was loaned out by TSM, we didn't insist on him keeping up lessons to learn English. I'd hope we have stipulated that this time if we have any plans on seeing him play for us again.

how does Tevez get away with it then ? just wondering

Again, he hasn't left the country (from a work point of view) since the rules were changed. I think the change was around last April, anyone with an existing work permit prior to that is fine. I believe the Permit is linked to the company they work for though, so someone like Tevez probably couldn't transfer to another side in the UK.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villasjf on January 21, 2013, 02:56:35 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 21, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 21, 2013, 11:14:48 AM
Thought Davies was pretty close to cracking it at Villa before that shoulder injury. I liked him, but I think he's got too much to do to win people over if he came back.

I'll be honest, I'd be focusing firmly on 1-2 central midfield players coming in, and look for a six-month loan deal for a CB. Someone who knows the PL well enough. A short -term deal would give us cover for the remainder of the season, protecting us against Dunne relapsing and Baker's recurring knocks.

One or two transfer links emerging today.... Newcastle in for Gouffran, apparently, but offering just £750k... and a freelance journo I follow on Twitter claiming we've had a bid rejected for Danny Graham (how reliable he is, I don't know....)

Signing a striker would be nuts.

Like I said before , a striker ? why ? we dont need one
Unless Bent is on his way
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 21, 2013, 02:57:08 PM: I dont think the regulations cover primates
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 21, 2013, 03:00:05 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
MON trying to sign Zarate

Either he's been brainwashed or then his chairman has forced him to buy foreign players and use their scouting network.

Well whatever it is its working and Sunderland are moving away from the drop zone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 03:03:47 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 02:45:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
MON trying to sign Zarate

Either he's been brainwashed or then his chairman has forced him to buy foreign players and use their scouting network.

I reckon he logs on here to see how he can improve!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 03:06:07 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 21, 2013, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
Listening to Chelsea's Raimrez who can not speak english so obviously Makoun not playing for us has nothing to do with him not speaking english.

Yes it does. The laws for work permits in the UK were changed between us signing him and him coming back from his year away. As he left the country he had to re-apply but one of the changes was to introduce a language requirement to the process. I think the problem is that, whilst he was in France for a long time, he doesn't have french citizenship, which means he has to come on a tier2 visa which has far more requirements.

It's a big failing on the part of the club that, when he was loaned out by TSM, we didn't insist on him keeping up lessons to learn English. I'd hope we have stipulated that this time if we have any plans on seeing him play for us again.

how does Tevez get away with it then ? just wondering

Again, he hasn't left the country (from a work point of view) since the rules were changed. I think the change was around last April, anyone with an existing work permit prior to that is fine. I believe the Permit is linked to the company they work for though, so someone like Tevez probably couldn't transfer to another side in the UK.

cheers Paul .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 03:06:52 PM: ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 21, 2013, 03:18:43 PM: And Ramires isn't relevant here anyway as he has a Portuguese passport so doesn't need a work permit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 21, 2013, 03:22:40 PM: I know if I was going to work abroad for a while, I would learn the language, purely to just to make my own life easier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 03:29:11 PM: Pat Murphy understands there is money available, but Lambert doesn't want to pay over the odds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2013, 03:38:29 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 21, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
MON had a definite blind spot with defenders.

Sold Cahill, inherited Laursen and bought Knight, Davies, Dunne, Collins and Beye.

Ok so Dunne and Collins were decent signings but he didn't have spunk a lot of money trying to find a defence. He was lucky to inherit Laursena and then pushed Mellberg out to right back.

Midfield players were his strength in fairness.
Yes midfield players who could fit in as defenders at right back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 03:39:21 PM: I think Pat Murphy is correct.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 03:41:05 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 21, 2013, 03:22:40 PM
I know if I was going to work abroad for a while, I would learn the language, purely to just to make my own life easier.

Whereas if I was earning £250k a week I'd employ someone to make my life easier for me and not bother learning the lingo!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on January 21, 2013, 03:42:01 PM: This from SKY , we are not mentioned but , hey , a ready made mid-field.....who knows ?! ( not that I can honestly claim to be an expert on these guys ) ............Godzvilla!

Lyon claim there is English interest in Lisandro Lopez and Michel Bastos

Ligue 1 outfit Lyon claim Lisandro Lopez and Michel Bastos are attracting interest from Premier League clubs.

The pair are reported to have been on the verge of making a move away from Stade Gerland for some time, with switches to Italy and Germany also mooted.

Lyon concede that there are plenty of teams monitoring the duo, with English clubs among them.

They are, however, keen to point out that no agreements have been put in place as yet.

On Lisandro, club chairman Jean-Michel Aulas told tuttomercatoweb.com: "It is not true that Lisandro has already said farewell to Lyon fans. There has been a misunderstanding.

"I am waiting on news from Italy and England.

"Juventus and Fiorentina? I know the presidents of both clubs and neither has contacted us directly."

On Bastos, he added: "I think he will leave in January.

"He is in contact with German, English and Brazilian clubs."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 03:42:16 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
Pat Murphy understands there is money available, but Lambert doesn't want to pay over the odds.

A game of brinksmanship between buyer and seller that will come to a head on 31st? Sounds a likely scenario!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2013, 03:48:08 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
Pat Murphy understands there is money available, but Lambert doesn't want to pay over the odds.

A game of brinksmanship between buyer and seller that will come to a head on 31st? Sounds a likely scenario!

Yep, sounds that way and if so fair enough although it may be a case of having to pay over the odds for somebody or another.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 03:51:14 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on January 21, 2013, 03:42:01 PM

This from SKY , we are not mentioned but , hey , a ready made mid-field.....who knows ?! ( not that I can honestly claim to be an expert on these guys ) ............Godzvilla!

Lyon claim there is English interest in Lisandro Lopez and Michel Bastos

Ligue 1 outfit Lyon claim Lisandro Lopez and Michel Bastos are attracting interest from Premier League clubs.

The pair are reported to have been on the verge of making a move away from Stade Gerland for some time, with switches to Italy and Germany also mooted.

Lyon concede that there are plenty of teams monitoring the duo, with English clubs among them.

They are, however, keen to point out that no agreements have been put in place as yet.

On Lisandro, club chairman Jean-Michel Aulas told tuttomercatoweb.com: "It is not true that Lisandro has already said farewell to Lyon fans. There has been a misunderstanding.

"I am waiting on news from Italy and England.

"Juventus and Fiorentina? I know the presidents of both clubs and neither has contacted us directly."

On Bastos, he added: "I think he will leave in January.

"He is in contact with German, English and Brazilian clubs."

Can't say I know anything about either player, but after checking on wikipedia Lopez is described as a winger/striker and seems to have about a 1 in 2 goal record. Bastos is stated as a left back/left winger.

Not sure either position is a priority for us.

Plus they're both 29, so may not fit the 'Lambert mould'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 21, 2013, 03:59:21 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
I think Pat Murphy is correct.

Ditto.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 04:00:35 PM: Both top players but neither central midfielders.
Doesn't mean we couldn't use them (Bastos would fit the wing back role a treat, obviously) but highly doubtful we're after them in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 21, 2013, 04:01:57 PM: Talk about the other sissoko being unhappy having had one start at psg , momo - any good since leaving liverpool?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 04:03:45 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
I think Pat Murphy is correct.

Hope so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 21, 2013, 04:29:33 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
MON trying to sign Zarate
What?
That ****** who used to hang around with Batfink?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 21, 2013, 04:36:24 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2013, 04:03:45 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 21, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
I think Pat Murphy is correct.

Hope so.

Well put it this way, if there isn't we will be relegated. I'm sure there's money available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 21, 2013, 04:51:19 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 10:52:41 AM
i don't think i've ever seen a defender so regularly out of position as Davies. Young used to do at least one double take a match when he suddenly found his centre-half more wide than he was. In that respect he'd probably fit right in after the last month.

Have a close look at Clark if you want to see a player more often out of position than Davies. His positioning and ball watching are shocking. I can't fathom why loads of supporters think he's the dog's nob. James Collins was pretty good at getting dragged all over the place too.

I always think Davies got a raw deal from Villa fans. How many really bad games did he have for us? I can recall the pub player game, which he held his hand up for, the Rapid Vienna game (when O'Neill had totally shattered any confidence the lad had) and I can remember one awful home league game where the opposition were running freely through our central defence of Davies and Cuellar. For some reason Davies was crucified whilst the lumbering scattergun Cuellar was apparently blameless, as were the midfield who went AWOL. Maybe one or two other games. I've seen Cuellar, Collins and even Dunne have as many shockers as Davies had, yet they don't get a tenth of the stick. And his critics also seem to forget he played some blinders for us - for example the 3-1 at Anfield when he scored and then defended like a demon, the away win at the Emirates where he got crocked. I'd have him back because he's give us some much needed pace at the back and because if the manager shows faith in him he'd be a good player more often than not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 21, 2013, 05:01:44 PM: I have given Dunne far more stick than Davies, mostly because he should defend better than Davies with his experience. And while Davies had some shockers, you could rely on Collins to have at least one big rick/game (He has continued this vein at Wet Spam). But I dont see that discussing him is that positive. He may improve us in the short term, but ultimatly we need to be making better use of money than going back to a player. Cuellar, Im starting to think i look back too fondly on a player who in reality lacked pace, an ability to pass, and his sometimes complete and baffling lack of knowledge of players around him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 21, 2013, 05:03:13 PM: Quote from: ktvillan on January 21, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 10:52:41 AM
i don't think i've ever seen a defender so regularly out of position as Davies. Young used to do at least one double take a match when he suddenly found his centre-half more wide than he was. In that respect he'd probably fit right in after the last month.

Have a close look at Clark if you want to see a player more often out of position than Davies. His positioning and ball watching are shocking. I can't fathom why loads of supporters think the the dog's nob. James Collins was pretty good at getting dragged all over the place too.

Baker is the same. I sat on the left side of the lower North Stand against Southampton so got a fairly close up view of him and he is another who doesn't really read the game and just reacts to things going on around him. My concern is that he hasn't really got the pace to be that kind of defender and he got caught out a couple of times in that game. I think the fact that he doesn't really read the game and hasn't really got the pace to make up for it is reflected in the number of last ditch sliding tackles he makes in a game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2013, 05:06:46 PM: Young defenders don't read the game though. They rely on youth and pace to dig themselves out of the shite.

It is why at 27 Davies for a million and a half might be worth a shot, he is now getting to the age where they have learned to read things a bit better. Older defenders are invariably better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 21, 2013, 05:14:05 PM: Clark gives too many goals away by being drawn out, 2 against Wigan, at fault for the 1st goal against Chelsk, not quick enough or strong enough, whereas Baker is quicker and stronger.Baker will be a good, probably top quality defender, Clark will be in the Championship in a couple of years time.

I really hope he makes it, i just can't see it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kiddylion on January 21, 2013, 05:22:46 PM: Just noticed Simon Lappin who played under PL at Norwich has had his contract cancelled.
Don't really no anything about him apart from he's a centre midfielder & was on loan at Cardiff earlier in the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 21, 2013, 06:07:20 PM: Would just prefer to be told we have no money and will not be buying this window, than hoping and praying us fans and Lerner are reading from the same page. Why invest £200m + then let the squad become so weak we have hardly got a premiership looking first team ??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 21, 2013, 06:11:06 PM: Quote from: kiddylion on January 21, 2013, 05:22:46 PM
Just noticed Simon Lappin who played under PL at Norwich has had his contract cancelled.
Don't really no anything about him apart from he's a centre midfielder & was on loan at Cardiff earlier in the season.
Distinctly mediocre career, TBH. Couldn't make first-pick for Cardiff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 21, 2013, 06:13:53 PM: Jack Butland might be available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 21, 2013, 06:16:36 PM: So might a number of Blues players
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 21, 2013, 06:18:42 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 21, 2013, 06:13:53 PM
Jack Butland might be available.
Everton and N'castle are rumoured to be after him, and GK is not really a priority for Randy's constrained wallet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 21, 2013, 06:29:03 PM: One of the reasons our central defenders are often out of position is because they go out to cover the 'wing backs' who are caught up the pitch too often.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 21, 2013, 06:31:15 PM: Redmond would be a good addition but not a priority for us unless the firesale prices make it worthwhile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 07:01:07 PM: If we've only got 2-3m then offer it to the blose for their entire squad and then release them on a free the next day. Won't keep us up but it would be funneh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2013, 07:02:46 PM: If they are available on the cheap, a deal for Davies and Redmond would be well worth doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 07:05:57 PM: Plus there's tax relief on making charitible donations.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 21, 2013, 07:06:20 PM: I'd take Davies, Butland and Redmond, but they're only worth taking if you're going to do something with them. Butland will make an excellent signing for somebody but I don't think he'd come to us - he's progressed so much he'd expect to be moving somewhere he'd be first choice, and I'd rather have Guzan at the moment. As for Davies, I think he'd fit in just fine alongside Vlaar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 21, 2013, 07:13:11 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Isn't Gouffran mainly AMC and winger rather than striker even though he can play as one? if he's just about 750k-1 million we should be for him with that kind of money. But as Eastie said, midfield and defense must be the priority.

He -must- buy physical midfielder, in game against WBA we lost all energy from midfield when he had to sub Delph for Bannan and I think it cost us two points.

According to Sporting Life, Gouffran is earning £80k/week which is why they want rid of him. A bit much for Randy's purse I suspect!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 07:18:59 PM: Quote from: James on January 21, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 21, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Isn't Gouffran mainly AMC and winger rather than striker even though he can play as one? if he's just about 750k-1 million we should be for him with that kind of money. But as Eastie said, midfield and defense must be the priority.

He -must- buy physical midfielder, in game against WBA we lost all energy from midfield when he had to sub Delph for Bannan and I think it cost us two points.

According to Sporting Life, Gouffran is earning £80k/week which is why they want rid of him. A bit much for Randy's purse I suspect!

You or them must be mistaking him for Gourcuff, can't imagine Gouffran being on 80k/week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 21, 2013, 07:49:51 PM: What's with this retrospective love-in of Curtis Davies?! He was always an accident waiting to happen. He wasn't worth £10m and he isn't worth £1.5m!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 08:06:28 PM: Forget Davies. He's a tit. Too average, injury prone and an accident waiting to happen. A bit like Richard Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 21, 2013, 08:12:34 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 21, 2013, 07:49:51 PM
What's with this retrospective love-in of Curtis Davies?! He was always an accident waiting to happen. He wasn't worth £10m and he isn't worth £1.5m!
Get him on the old Y.T.S. 17.50 FOR THE FIRST YEAR PER WEEK AND THEN 27.50 A WEEK AFTER THAT ! Curtis bloody Davis, do me a favour, please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 21, 2013, 08:22:41 PM: I'd have Davies back like a shot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 21, 2013, 08:24:30 PM: its a bit harsh wanting Davies shot

oh, right i read it properly now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 21, 2013, 08:25:28 PM: Maybe Redmond, but no one else.

I see Coutinho is set for Liverpool..? Wish we could've struck a deal for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 21, 2013, 08:25:46 PM: Curtis Davies, today's Nigel Reo-Coker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2013, 08:35:17 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 21, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
Curtis Davies, today's Nigel Reo-Coker.
and tomorrow's Steve Sidwell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 21, 2013, 08:41:32 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 21, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
Curtis Davies, today's Nigel Reo-Coker.

Except NRC actually contributed to this club, he was first choice with Petrov under Houllier and pivotal to us staying up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 21, 2013, 08:43:39 PM: Quote from: villadelph on January 21, 2013, 08:25:28 PM
Maybe Redmond, but no one else.

I see Coutinho is set for Liverpool..? Wish we could've struck a deal for him.

Whilst I would have loved him, he was always going to a club not fighting relegation* and we have more pressing areas to fill to survive this year.

* Aslo one that will probably get closest to matching/improving his Inter wage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wozwebs on January 21, 2013, 08:54:01 PM: @DeadlineDayLive: Inter Milan have rejected bids of around £8.5m for Philippe Coutinho from Liverpool and Aston Villa. (Source: Sky Italy)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 21, 2013, 08:54:26 PM: With all this talk of distinctly average centre halves ie Davies, Cuellar, Clark, Dunne, Collins makes me very nostalgic for McGrath, Southgate, Ehiogu, Mellberg, Laursen & Teale!

For me we need a centre half with pace and a strong, big and athletic central midfielder - who? God knows....always liked Diame but guess he will be using the release clause to get the huge contract
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 21, 2013, 09:24:22 PM: Some of the names being mentioned on here, make me despair, how we have fallen!
Are we actually shopping in the gutter now or still browsing for what might be left behind?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2013, 09:31:00 PM: Quote from: achilles on January 21, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
Some of the names being mentioned on here, make me despair, how we have fallen!
Are we actually shopping in the gutter now or still browsing for what might be left behind?

About three posts earlier there's a tenuous link to a 20 year old brazilian who plays for Inter. I try and focus on that sort of link rather than worry about the Davies and NRC speculation. Besides I reckon that the rumours in the NRC/Davies bracket attract more posts because people are more familiar with such players rather than because the speculation/interest is anymore definite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 21, 2013, 09:33:12 PM: We haven't actually been linked with Davies, Reading were and someone on here suggested him as an option for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2013, 09:50:43 PM: Davies will go to Norwich probably, Hughton rates him.

Wouldn't want him back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 21, 2013, 09:58:37 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on January 21, 2013, 08:54:01 PM
@DeadlineDayLive: Inter Milan have rejected bids of around £8.5m for Philippe Coutinho from Liverpool and Aston Villa. (Source: Sky Italy)

8.5m!??? are we buying him jointly with liverpool?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 21, 2013, 10:29:20 PM: Quote from: ktvillan on January 21, 2013, 04:51:19 PM

Have a close look at Clark if you want to see a player more often out of position than Davies. His positioning and ball watching are shocking. I can't fathom why loads of supporters think the the dog's nob.

Housepoint for this fella. Glad someone else has spotted it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 21, 2013, 10:37:44 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 21, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on January 21, 2013, 04:51:19 PM

Have a close look at Clark if you want to see a player more often out of position than Davies. His positioning and ball watching are shocking. I can't fathom why loads of supporters think the the dog's nob.

Housepoint for this fella. Glad someone else has spotted it.

agreed. And dont forget his attempts to swap shirts with people during the match. Loves a shirt grab !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM: I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 22, 2013, 08:50:18 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.

Were you the bloke who wrote into Danny Baker talking about your fantasy of Ugo in a hot-tub ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 22, 2013, 08:58:25 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.

Did Alan Wright finish you off?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 09:10:46 AM: Quote from: Malandro on January 22, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.

Did Alan Wright finish you off?
No, I left that to Franz Carr.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 22, 2013, 09:15:44 AM: I doubt I'll see a better Villa defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 09:20:21 AM: I still maintain if it's a choice of Davies or noone at centre half, I'd definitely take Davies. In our current position he's comfortably good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 22, 2013, 09:55:44 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Malandro on January 22, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.

Did Alan Wright finish you off?
No, I left that to Franz Carr.

I hope his finishing off technique was better than his footballing technique!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 10:19:04 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 22, 2013, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Malandro on January 22, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
I just got a hardon thinking of McGrath, Southgate and Ehiogu. Amazing back 3.

Did Alan Wright finish you off?
No, I left that to Franz Carr.

I hope his finishing off technique was better than his footballing technique!

His ball control wasn't the best when he was on the pitch...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fredm on January 22, 2013, 10:23:20 AM: Quote from: mr woo on January 21, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on January 21, 2013, 04:51:19 PM

Have a close look at Clark if you want to see a player more often out of position than Davies. His positioning and ball watching are shocking. I can't fathom why loads of supporters think the the dog's nob.

Housepoint for this fella. Glad someone else has spotted it.

And always "on his heels" meaning he is slow to react which is why he always appears to be diving in. Not quick enough reactions for me to progress into a good centre back as shown by Torres at Chelsea and wasn't he marking Odemwinge on Saturday?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 10:32:49 AM: Clark was looking good in Novemer/December. He's a good prospect who ideally would have limited exposure in order to develop properly. Unfortunately we haven't had that luxury. If we can get another centre half in or get Dunne fit (or preferably both) we could take him out of the front line for a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 22, 2013, 10:58:37 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Clark was looking good in Novemer/December. He's a good prospect who ideally would have limited exposure in order to develop properly. Unfortunately we haven't had that luxury. If we can get another centre half in or get Dunne fit (or preferably both) we could take him out of the front line for a bit.

He shouldn't be a prospect any more though. At his age and the number of games he's played he should be demonstrating more than potential. Like others, I think he is distinctly average and his game is not really moving on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 22, 2013, 11:08:11 AM: Quote from: nick harper on January 22, 2013, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Clark was looking good in Novemer/December. He's a good prospect who ideally would have limited exposure in order to develop properly. Unfortunately we haven't had that luxury. If we can get another centre half in or get Dunne fit (or preferably both) we could take him out of the front line for a bit.

He shouldn't be a prospect any more though. At his age and the number of games he's played he should be demonstrating more than potential. Like others, I think he is distinctly average and his game is not really moving on.

I remember people saying the same things about Ugo in his first season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 11:23:35 AM: And Rio Ferdinand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 22, 2013, 11:27:26 AM: Quote from: damon green on January 22, 2013, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: nick harper on January 22, 2013, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Clark was looking good in Novemer/December. He's a good prospect who ideally would have limited exposure in order to develop properly. Unfortunately we haven't had that luxury. If we can get another centre half in or get Dunne fit (or preferably both) we could take him out of the front line for a bit.

He shouldn't be a prospect any more though. At his age and the number of games he's played he should be demonstrating more than potential. Like others, I think he is distinctly average and his game is not really moving on.

I remember people saying the same things about Ugo in his first season.

Ugo in his first season was still a much better defender than Clark. Also quicker too.

Clark isn't a premiership standard defender yet and I very much doubt he will be. That's not saying he's shit as I think he has the makings of a good footballer but not one in the middle of our defence or any defence for that matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 22, 2013, 11:28:11 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
I still maintain if it's a choice of Davies or noone at centre half, I'd definitely take Davies. In our current position he's comfortably good enough.

This was my argument with NRC.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2013, 11:29:29 AM: Except NRC isn't good enough. Davies is doing well in the championship. Reo-Coker has just been released by Ipswich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 11:39:31 AM: Quote from: Shrek on January 22, 2013, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
I still maintain if it's a choice of Davies or noone at centre half, I'd definitely take Davies. In our current position he's comfortably good enough.

This was my argument with NRC.

I think this is over simplifying things though.

£1.5m fee, probably £500k player signing fee. I'd guess at least £30k a week and at least a 3 year deal.

All in you'd be looking at the best part of £7m, as a minimum, for a guy who's already been here and wasn't good enough, is it really a good idea to tie that sort of money into someone on the basis of "it's better than nothing"?

In our situation we really should be signing people who are going to come straight in and be a big upgrade on what we have, I don't think Davies or NRC will be that. If we signed them we'd get to the end of next season (at most) and be needing to replace them again as the younger players will have the experience and confidence (hopefully) to mean NRC and Davies go back to being very expensive bench warmers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 22, 2013, 11:40:20 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Except NRC isn't good enough. Davies is doing well in the championship. Reo-Coker has just been released by Ipswich.

He's been released because he had a clause which allowed him to talk to top European teams
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 22, 2013, 11:45:00 AM: Quote from: Malandro on January 22, 2013, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
Except NRC isn't good enough. Davies is doing well in the championship. Reo-Coker has just been released by Ipswich.

He's been released because he had a clause which allowed him to talk to top European teams
Erm, what?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 11:45:30 AM: A joke mate. Just a joke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mellin on January 22, 2013, 11:46:29 AM: It's a joke. He's just shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 22, 2013, 11:50:31 AM: Isn't he talking to Napoli? (again) :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 12:01:34 PM: More likely to be Mapperley.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 22, 2013, 12:05:42 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 12:01:34 PM
More likely to be Mapperley.

very good! My brother lived there when he first started working in Notts. A proper shit hole
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2013, 01:23:58 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 11:23:35 AM
And Rio Ferdinand.
and Ken McNaught.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:17:44 PM: In the short term I'd have Zat Knight back in our defence if money is really tight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 22, 2013, 03:22:53 PM: Zat Knight?

Sweet titty fucking Christ.

Things aren't quite that bad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:24:50 PM: In the short term I think he'd be ok. I'd rather have him at centre half than Herd, given the questionable fitness of Baker, Dunne and Vlaar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 22, 2013, 03:38:07 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 22, 2013, 03:22:53 PM
Zat Knight?

Sweet titty fucking Christ.

Things aren't quite that bad.

His positional sense is that bad he would fit quite nicely in the current line up.

NRC I rate in a limited sort of way much as Shaun Derry for QPR and think he would do the job we need most at the moment, Curtis Davies

was another to get criticized harshly and possibly could yet still be a good standard prem player.

Zat Knight? Not good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM: If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 22, 2013, 03:47:23 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.
Mellberg, spot on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:47:50 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.

They weren't good enough for where we were trying to go/be. Now our sights are a lot lower and I think they were both good enough for a team battling relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2013, 03:53:35 PM: Mellberg maybe. Zat Knight? I would rather Paul McGrath come out of retirement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2013, 03:56:51 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.

They weren't good enough for where we were trying to go/be. Now our sights are a lot lower and I think they were both good enough for a team battling relegation.

So when we're not battling relegation, and they're not good enough any more, what do we do with them?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:58:58 PM: That's why I said short term.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 04:03:50 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 22, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.

They weren't good enough for where we were trying to go/be. Now our sights are a lot lower and I think they were both good enough for a team battling relegation.

So when we're not battling relegation, and they're not good enough any more, what do we do with them?

Exactly, if they were the only 2 defenders in the world that were available to sign in the next 9 days then they'd be worth discussing but as that isn't the case I just don't see any value in either of them. Much better to look for players that are better than where we are and convince them we should be doing more than it is to sign players suited for where we are. I know the problems we have in the short term are important but burdening the club with overpaid crap in the mid- to long-term isn't the right way to fight our way clear unless it's the only way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 04:06:37 PM: Well yes I agree, but my basis of it was if it's them or nobody I think they'd be better than nothing. If we don't make any additions it could get very dicey. For what it's worth I'd much rather have Mellberg too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 22, 2013, 04:16:06 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 22, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 03:41:48 PM
If we want an ex-villa central defender to shore things up for a year then offer a 1-2 year deal to Mellberg, at least he doesn't come with a load of baggage, he was quality and left on his own terms. Knight and Davies were sold because they weren't good enough.

They weren't good enough for where we were trying to go/be. Now our sights are a lot lower and I think they were both good enough for a team battling relegation.

So when we're not battling relegation, and they're not good enough any more, what do we do with them?

Exactly, if they were the only 2 defenders in the world that were available to sign in the next 9 days then they'd be worth discussing but as that isn't the case I just don't see any value in either of them. Much better to look for players that are better than where we are and convince them we should be doing more than it is to sign players suited for where we are. I know the problems we have in the short term are important but burdening the club with overpaid crap in the mid- to long-term isn't the right way to fight our way clear unless it's the only way.

Problem being that if it is and we're left with these type of players or nothing, Randy and Lambert will still get stick from some sections for signing them. I guess the mindset is that there is always better we missed out on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 22, 2013, 04:19:55 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 03:17:44 PM
In the short term I'd have Zat Knight back in our defence if money is really tight.

Christ! Beverley Knight but please not Zat Knight!

I think Paul Lambert has no intention of signing anybody in this window. 'The gaffer has told him not to bother'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 04:30:52 PM: Yes, of course he has.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 22, 2013, 04:39:28 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 22, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
Mellberg maybe. Zat Knight? I would rather Paul McGrath come out of retirement.

Or Ken McNaught and Chris Nicholl!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 22, 2013, 04:41:08 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 22, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 22, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
Mellberg maybe. Zat Knight? I would rather Paul McGrath come out of retirement.

Or Ken McNaught and Chris Nicholl!

Or Charlie Aitken.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2013, 04:53:56 PM: On the subject of centre-halves, I wonder if we are still after the defender Douglas who we were linked with in the summer? I recall reading somewhere that he was out of contract this summer, so surely would be a better bet than the likes of Davies and Knight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 22, 2013, 04:55:00 PM: So still no real links then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 22, 2013, 04:56:16 PM: I take it the fact we're still discussing past duffers returning means nowt's happened?The bloody bbc site caused me to get my hopes up as it has a picture of lambert over a link for breaking transfer news. Think they're being ironic...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on January 22, 2013, 05:14:18 PM: How long has Laursen had to rehab now? And he's in the country. He'd do 6 months. Alright we'd not be able to play the offside trap, but fuck it if we prop him up on the edge of the 6 yard box we'd concede half as many goals from set pieces.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 22, 2013, 05:20:09 PM: Davies is definately worse than Dunne, Vlaar and Clark so i don't see the point. Knight is of a similar standard to Dunne and not quite as good as Vlaar, so little point in that one too. Basically, all of the above are shit, some shitter than others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 22, 2013, 05:50:27 PM: 1623:
TRANSFER LATEST
Midfielder Moussa Sissoko will be left out of Toulouse's matchday squad for tonight Cup tie against Paris Saint-Germain raising speculation he is on his way to Newcastle United, reports talkshite. The France international, 23, is out of contract in the summer but Toulouse are willing to sell him for £2.5m during this window.

on the beeb...could he be coming to us perhaps? :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 22, 2013, 05:51:00 PM: So how about a MON reject XI. A team of players who were bought by MON and sold on later as they were deemed surplus to requirements (i.e. not those like Young or Milner who moved because they wanted to)

Carson
Collins Knight Davies
L.Young Shorey
NRC Sidwell

Heskey Routledge

Carew

Forwards are a bit dodgy as I'm not sure Carew and Heskey can actually run nowadays. I'd have included Maloney but as I remember he wanted to leave Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 22, 2013, 05:52:46 PM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 22, 2013, 05:50:27 PM
1623:
TRANSFER LATEST
Midfielder Moussa Sissoko will be left out of Toulouse's matchday squad for tonight Cup tie against Paris Saint-Germain raising speculation he is on his way to Newcastle United, reports talkshite. The France international, 23, is out of contract in the summer but Toulouse are willing to sell him for £2.5m during this window.

on the beeb...could he be coming to us perhaps? :'(

If they get him for that and we don't, I would be asking questions of the transfer operations. We should be getting this player, and if the team we are playing next right in there in the relegation scrap do instead, that would be terrible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 05:54:21 PM: If they get him, Debauchy. Haidera and this centre half, plus Gouffran, while being completely French, I will be very envious. And a tad pissed off, when they have signed people in position that we need at fees we could afford.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 22, 2013, 06:12:59 PM: Just over a week to get Robbie K back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 06:47:41 PM: £2.5 million for Sissoko, fucking hell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 06:50:42 PM: Madness if we miss out on him at that price. He is worth about 12.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 06:52:47 PM: Exactly utter insanity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 22, 2013, 06:56:59 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
If they get him, Debauchy. Haidera and this centre half, plus Gouffran, while being completely French, I will be very envious. And a tad pissed off, when they have signed people in position that we need at fees we could afford.

If they finished fifth last year, doesn't that put them in a stronger bargaining position than us?

We weren't doing too clever the January we signed Bent, but had a squad of players that had finished 6th the previous season.

No reason not to put a bid in though, Unless we've already put the feelers out and got knocked back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 22, 2013, 07:11:33 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Clark was looking good in Novemer/December. He's a good prospect who ideally would have limited exposure in order to develop properly. Unfortunately we haven't had that luxury. If we can get another centre half in or get Dunne fit (or preferably both) we could take him out of the front line for a bit.

Sorry never seen it in him. He's had a few games where he looked kind of okay when he's had a more experienced partner, but to me he lacks the pace, strength and anticipation to succeed at CB at PL level. And with his shirt pulling it's only a question of time before he costs us a penalty. Unless he changes position to somewhere where those qualities are not so vital, and he perhaps has the ability on the ball to maybe become a Barry type midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 22, 2013, 07:31:33 PM: The biggest insult would be to not get Sissoko and then get told we haven't got the funds for that sort of player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 09:48:19 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
The biggest insult would be to not get Sissoko and then get told we haven't got the funds for that sort of player.

£15 million turns us into a god side. 3-4 players in the current market with European clubs being buggered.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 09:52:10 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
The biggest insult would be to not get Sissoko and then get told we haven't got the funds for that sort of player.

£15 million turns us into a god side. 3-4 players in the current market with European clubs being buggered.

Not if we adopt tactics like we did in the second half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 09:55:50 PM: Real Madrid would look shit with those tactics.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 22, 2013, 10:03:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
The biggest insult would be to not get Sissoko and then get told we haven't got the funds for that sort of player.

£15 million turns us into a god side. 3-4 players in the current market with European clubs being buggered.

One week to do it, or we're down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 10:04:34 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
The biggest insult would be to not get Sissoko and then get told we haven't got the funds for that sort of player.

£15 million turns us into a god side. 3-4 players in the current market with European clubs being buggered.

One week to do it, or we're down.

Could not agree more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 22, 2013, 10:07:26 PM: I think unless we change manager we are down anyway.
£23m and hes made a poor team far shitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM: Even with Lambert there, 3 or 4 new faces could give us the push we need.

We can't just go with what we've got, it would be suicide.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 10:13:09 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
Even with Lambert there, 3 or 4 new faces could give us the push we need.

We can't just go with what we've got, it would be suicide.

Yep.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 10:13:29 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
Even with Lambert there, 3 or 4 new faces could give us the push we need.

We can't just go with what we've got, it would be suicide.

I think we would stay up, playing 3-5-2 with the players to make it stick, but that needs a centre half and 2 strong, bug centre mids.

We missed Westwood again tonight. 2 25 year old Papa Bouba Diops and a Brade Hangelaand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 10:18:37 PM: I repeat from earlier Davies and Knight would improve that defence. That is a sad state of affairs of how badly we've been run for a while.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 10:23:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 22, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
I think unless we change manager we are down anyway.
£23m and hes made a poor team far shitter.

I don't think his signings are the problem, I still maintain we'd make a comfortable profit on them if we sold them in the summer.

It's his tactics that have let us and him down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 10:42:49 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
I repeat from earlier Davies and Knight would improve that defence. That is a sad state of affairs of how badly we've been run for a while.

The piss take is they would. Put Davies and Knight either side of Vlaar, and Reo Cocker in the midfield, and this would actually be 10 times more solid. Clark is being found out horribly, he can't jump! Vlaar was at fault tonight in fairness, but overall he is better than the others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 22, 2013, 10:46:31 PM: In reality Clark is the worst of our 4 centre backs, just dosen't have a defenders instinct at all, Baker has weaknesses but at least he does.

That said it's not something I would criticise Lambert for as a lot of last season and most of pre season I was calling for Clark to be given a run at centre back.

He has and he dosen't look good enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 10:49:20 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 22, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
In reality Clark is the worst of our 4 centre backs, just dosen't have a defenders instinct at all, Baker has weaknesses but at least he does.

That said it's not something I would criticise Lambert for as a lot of last season and most of pre season I was calling for Clark to be given a run at centre back.

He has and he dosen't look good enough.

Nowhere near. Sad to say, I think he is totally shot in there. He has an eye for goal though, and would make a midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 22, 2013, 11:11:04 PM: He seems a bit like Ridgewell in 05/06 who was generally hopeless but chipped in with a goal or two.

After quite a few years Ridgewell has developed into a solid enough full back so wouldn't shock me if same happened there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 11:14:54 PM: Yeah left back wih Bennett left mid might work.

Apparently Lambert said something negative about new signings after the game but can't find quotes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hadley83 on January 22, 2013, 11:28:00 PM: Lambert needs backing and we need a solid spine of the team. To add to those that have shown promise like Westwood,Guzan,Vlaar,Baker, Lowton,Weimann Nzogbia and Benteke. Then if we survive we need a clear out of those that are past it,aren't good enough and don't care.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 22, 2013, 11:30:17 PM: I wouldn't trust Lambert with a bloody penny piece. He is useless
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 22, 2013, 11:31:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Yeah left back wih Bennett left mid might work.

Apparently Lambert said something negative about new signings after the game but can't find quotes.

He bloody bought them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 11:32:23 PM: Making them this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 22, 2013, 11:32:54 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 22, 2013, 11:31:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2013, 11:14:54 PM
Yeah left back wih Bennett left mid might work.

Apparently Lambert said something negative about new signings after the game but can't find quotes.

He bloody bought them.
I think he means we ain't getting any.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 22, 2013, 11:36:55 PM: Ah. Sorry. Not heard or read anything from TOSM after this evening's debacle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2013, 11:38:27 PM: Let's just sign the Bradford squad. And the Crewe squad as they beat Bradford so must be close to Barca quality. And the Barnet squad just to be sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2013, 11:40:02 PM: Sign enough football league players and you eventually become a football league team (it seems).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 22, 2013, 11:40:42 PM: Good point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 22, 2013, 11:43:08 PM: Signing players now is like changing deckchairs on the Titanic. Utterly futile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 22, 2013, 11:47:28 PM: I dont see how. Its exactly what we need for instance.
But maybe now isnt the time for rational thought, its the time of rage.
I really can't be arsed. I'm as tired and fed up as everybody else. But I'm damned sure what we need is new players or we're in trouble.

The subs tonight were basically just more of the same. We couldnt really do anything except go for broke.
It will be that way until we get some more players.
1 week or so to do some very important business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 22, 2013, 11:57:11 PM: I think if we don't buy anyone we go down.Not based on what abilities they bring now as brittle as the squad is we a signing to boost the players psychologically.

Very worrying times
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: FatSam on January 23, 2013, 12:26:10 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 22, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 22, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
I think unless we change manager we are down anyway.
£23m and hes made a poor team far shitter.

I don't think his signings are the problem, I still maintain we'd make a comfortable profit on them if we sold them in the summer.

It's his tactics that have let us and him down.

Yes, we might have spent a reasonable amount of money in the summer, but the fact is that we were always going to have to do so because there were a series of players out of contract, and after the debacle of the previous two seasons (and MON's recruitment of older players), no saleable assets. I agree that the players he has bought would generally all be sold at a profit at the end of the season.

The problem has been the inability to develop successful and adaptable tactics. I thought Lambert was the right man for the job, and I bought into his approach in the circumstances. Its obviously not working out at the moment, but I really hope he manages to pull it around because the club needs stability, and frankly cannot afford more managerial pay-offs. The second half tonight doesn't give me much confidence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 12:28:29 AM: Quote from: Des Little on January 22, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
Signing players now is like changing deckchairs on the Titanic. Utterly futile.

How could signing better players be futile? It's hardly like we're cut adrift at the bottom of the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 12:36:17 AM: Well, feck all in Wednesday's BBC gossip column.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 23, 2013, 12:41:01 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 12:28:29 AM
Quote from: Des Little on January 22, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
Signing players now is like changing deckchairs on the Titanic. Utterly futile.

How could signing better players be futile? It's hardly like we're cut adrift at the bottom of the league.

I'd say its because we could sign Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Vidic, Kompany and Casillas yet we'd still concede at corners, we'd still have no width, we'd still piss about aimlessly playing square balls because thats 'possession football' and we'd still lack the motivation to battle a 4th division team in a semi final.

(in other words - the penny's gradually dropping - the manager aint good enough)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 23, 2013, 12:55:07 AM: I saw PL post match interview. He was asked at the very end about new signings. He responded with something about the chairman being great with him and then said it's not the right time to be talking about it.

It was uncomfortable to watch him squirm and come up with something other than the obvious facts that he has no meaningful money to spend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 23, 2013, 04:47:15 AM: Quote from: Des Little on January 22, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
Signing players now is like changing deckchairs on the Titanic. Utterly futile.

No.

Spend the better part of 10-15million and try to scrap the hell out of it like QPR and Toon. Southampton have shaken things up, too. We can't remain stagnant. Our first team players can not feel secure in their positions. They need to feel expendable, that they will be sold off to shit clubs if they can't perform at this level. No more excuses, this is a man's game and the best league in the world. I can't believe some of them have lasted this long. Start shipping 'em out! Bring in talent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on January 23, 2013, 05:31:04 AM: Just got in. We need to move Clark into centre mid. We need to buy a nasty dirty cheap Vidic..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 23, 2013, 08:37:21 AM: So what gives today?
Do we look to sign some players to try and get out of the shit, or do we sit on our hands?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on January 23, 2013, 08:43:27 AM: You can't do things on the cheap in the PL and expect to do OK, sooner or later you will struggle and go down, we have been like this for the past 2.5 seasons - it's catching up with us. Randy, do he get this??? Does he care???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 23, 2013, 08:44:01 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 23, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
So what gives today?
Do we look to sign some players to try and get out of the shit, or do we sit on our hands?

I believe that Lambert may have called Randy last night, but it would appear that his resources have now been siphoned into building the world’s largest wooden airplane and stocking up on the Kleenex boxes, that he is currently stacking and re-arranging in his germ free bubble outside of Cleveland. The General has assured Lerner that he will be over for the next match, on the proviso that the Spruce Goose can make it across the Atlantic and a protective germ-free bubble can de installed in the directors box in the Trinity Road stand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 23, 2013, 08:59:49 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 23, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
So what gives today?
Do we look to sign some players to try and get out of the shit, or do we sit on our hands?

...tumbleweed...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2013, 09:26:33 AM: Lerner has got a week now to make some fucking decisions. Either sack Lambert or buy some fucking players. If he does nothing, it's proof positive that he doesn't give a flying shite any more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on January 23, 2013, 09:37:26 AM: Jesus christ! I am in Thailand at the moment so have limited internet access, every time I log on I hope there is some small glimmer of us signing someone. Each time I come away feeling worse than before.

Just sign a defensive midfielder please, a big one. Big Papa Boppa Diopa or someone like that, let me rest easy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 23, 2013, 09:38:51 AM: The biggest signing we could make this winter is a top level sports psychologist. Our guys are a spent force mentally. Whatever is happening in their collective minds when we concede is dangerous. From everyone looking to get on the ball in the first half against West Brom and Bradford and then to change in the second half to everyone shitting themselves and no one wanting to dwell and think and be calm and pass the ball to a fellow player is baffling. There is something very wrong with the mentality of our playing and coaching staff.
We need an experienced midfielder for the rest of the season, either on loan or whatever. Our midfield guys just can't hack it at the moment. Dunne cannot come back quickly enough into our defense, whatever he is or is not, we would not be getting caught out by the same corner kick each time.
Maybe Laursen or someone else could be signed to coach our young defenders, whoever is doing it at the moment is not worth a stocking of shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 09:41:56 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 23, 2013, 09:26:33 AM
Lerner has got a week now to make some fucking decisions. Either sack Lambert or buy some fucking players. If he does nothing, it's proof positive that he doesn't give a flying shite any more.

Agreed something must be done immeadiately. Whichever side of the fence you sit, the manager needs to be sacked and a new one brought in with money to spend or the manager needs to be backed. One of those things must happen or we are done for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 23, 2013, 09:42:47 AM: Lerner no longer gives a flying, Lambert didn't even know if he was there last night (from the Eve Mail).

A rudderless ship (and Faulkner is probably hiding in the Trinity with his fingers in his ears going 'La La La')
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 09:48:33 AM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 23, 2013, 12:55:07 AM
I saw PL post match interview. He was asked at the very end about new signings. He responded with something about the chairman being great with him and then said it's not the right time to be talking about it.

It was uncomfortable to watch him squirm and come up with something other than the obvious facts that he has no meaningful money to spend.

he looks like he is in constant pain at the moment with that grimace
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 23, 2013, 10:07:47 AM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 23, 2013, 09:42:47 AM
Lerner no longer gives a flying, Lambert didn't even know if he was there last night (from the Eve Mail).

A rudderless ship (and Faulkner is probably hiding in the Trinity with his fingers in his ears going 'La La La')

Great communication between the owner and manager! Just shows what a shambles the whole club is. Lerner/ Faulkner/ Lambert out please....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 23, 2013, 10:11:20 AM: Not a single viable link to a player

Shambles
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 23, 2013, 10:13:29 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 23, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 23, 2013, 09:42:47 AM
Lerner no longer gives a flying, Lambert didn't even know if he was there last night (from the Eve Mail).

A rudderless ship (and Faulkner is probably hiding in the Trinity with his fingers in his ears going 'La La La')

Great communication between the owner and manager! Just shows what a shambles the whole club is. Lerner/ Faulkner/ Lambert out please....

Lerner or Faulkner need to come out and say something soon. If they don't feel that there is the need to speak to the fans they can both fuck off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 10:14:22 AM: We are whimpering into the championship. Not even a tangible link by the last week of the window. Madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 23, 2013, 10:24:46 AM: Well if he wasn't there and there really is no money to spend then that'll confirm it.

Lerner really has given up on the Club as a whole.

Shame as I genuinely thought he was better than that, I should've known.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 23, 2013, 10:42:09 AM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
Quote from: jonzy85 on January 23, 2013, 12:55:07 AM
I saw PL post match interview. He was asked at the very end about new signings. He responded with something about the chairman being great with him and then said it's not the right time to be talking about it.

It was uncomfortable to watch him squirm and come up with something other than the obvious facts that he has no meaningful money to spend.

he looks like he is in constant pain at the moment with that grimace
Perhaps hes got piles...but not piles of money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2013, 10:42:20 AM: 23 days in to the transfer window and we've done fuck all. Our Football club is a mess. We will be relegated. There is no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 23, 2013, 10:48:52 AM: Well? .............Mr Lerner are you there?? .........Randy??.....HELLO MR LERNER I'M TALKING TO YOU!!! WHAT THE F@@K ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS MESS???? >:(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holtemeister on January 23, 2013, 11:33:22 AM: He owns the club ... he doesnt need or have to speak to you

Get over it ..... move on .....

Vote with your feet only way they (he) will listen

At least with shareholders there are different views
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 23, 2013, 11:35:58 AM: dont know why but just watched the coverage that i recorded of last nights game,
Saunders looks absolutly gutted at the end of the match, and like he said he played for both clubs
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 11:37:27 AM: because he knows we are very much in the shit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NiiLamptey on January 23, 2013, 11:41:49 AM: When was the last time we didnt sign anyone during a transfer window?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 23, 2013, 11:41:56 AM: The last thing the players on the pitch need is for any demonstrations or such. We need to stay behind the team to at least try and keep us up.

What we do need to do those is boycott the SPENDING at the club. That will hit Lerner. No programmes, no food, no drinks, no merchandise. Spend your money on your ticket to support the lads and yell your heads off. If we do go down (which I suspect we will), let's make sure it isn't a case of WE could have done more.

FILL THE GROUND, Scream and shout for the lads on the pitch, but keep the tills empty.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 23, 2013, 11:43:05 AM: Quote from: john e on January 23, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
dont know why but just watched the coverage that i recorded of last nights game,
Saunders looks absolutly gutted at the end of the match, and like he said he played for both clubs

I noticed this. He looked like he'd just heard the news that a much-beloved family member had passed away. He's been away from the club for a while and it was probably a shock to see how far we've fallen. We've seen it happen gradually over the last few years.

Imagine falling into a coma after our semi-final win against Blackburn, only to wake up to see the semi-final against Bradford? You'd struggle to believe your eyes, and you'd probably want to go back to the coma.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 23, 2013, 11:52:10 AM: Quote from: Holtemeister on January 23, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
He owns the club ... he doesnt need or have to speak to you

Get over it ..... move on .....

Vote with your feet only way they (he) will listen

At least with shareholders there are different views

Yes, because I posted it with every belief that he is on here reading this ::)

I hear what you're saying, just need to get the ranting off my chest y'know :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 12:24:42 PM: What gets me is, Newcastle, seeing they're in a bit of trouble have bought in 3 or 4 decent players already.

We, on the other hand, clearly in more trouble, are pretending it isn't happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM: Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2013, 12:30:12 PM: Quote from: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.

Goodness. Does Lerner have some sort of bet on? You know, clubs of similar size have protested against their ownerships for less, us included when Hellis looked like he was taking us down. How long before we show a bit of that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 12:33:11 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 23, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.

Goodness. Does Lerner have some sort of bet on? You know, clubs of similar size have protested against their ownerships for less, us included when Hellis looked like he was taking us down. How long before we show a bit of that?

He's a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

He's appointed a CEO who is quite clearly way, way out of his depth, and is still in denial with this Ajax model bullshit.

He may have put lots of money into the club, but the way he has managed his asset - or allowed it to be managed - is utterly laughable. Three years of continued decline, and he's just going to sit on his hands, doing nothing.

If he's going to sit in the US watching the odd match on television, then he absolutely MUST get people into the management of the club here who understand the game.

Right now, all he is doing is proving that not only was he a dreadful sports club owner in the US, he's even worse on this side of the Atlantic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 23, 2013, 12:33:30 PM: Quote from: NiiLamptey on January 23, 2013, 11:41:49 AM
When was the last time we didnt sign anyone during a transfer window?
Didn't we only bring Keane in on a 6 week loan last January
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2013, 12:36:09 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 23, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.

Goodness. Does Lerner have some sort of bet on? You know, clubs of similar size have protested against their ownerships for less, us included when Hellis looked like he was taking us down. How long before we show a bit of that?

He's a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

He's appointed a CEO who is quite clearly way, way out of his depth, and is still in denial with this Ajax model bullshit.

He may have put lots of money into the club, but the way he has managed his asset - or allowed it to be managed - is utterly laughable. Three years of continued decline, and he's just going to sit on his hands, doing nothing.

If he's going to sit in the US watching the odd match on television, then he absolutely MUST get people into the management of the club here who understand the game.

Right now, all he is doing is proving that not only was he a dreadful sports club owner in the US, he's even worse on this side of the Atlantic.

Indeed. If he thinks this is how Ajax run their club, he's insane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 23, 2013, 12:40:57 PM: Is Lerner purposely trying to down grade? It all appears just so flagrant.

If they don't sign any players, or deal with a lame duck manager, I'd be tempted to think so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2013, 12:41:44 PM: Craig Gardner is a blindingly obvious signing. Not the most talented but a bit of grit and presence about him. Good with set pieces, can break into the box and will get stuck in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 12:44:24 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 22, 2013, 11:57:11 PM
I think if we don't buy anyone we go down.Not based on what abilities they bring now as brittle as the squad is we a signing to boost the players psychologically.

Very worrying times

I actually think we have the best front line we have had in years but whats the point when the midfield is the worse I have ever seen at Villa .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 23, 2013, 12:45:35 PM: As I said last night I am starting to detest Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 12:46:04 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 23, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.

Goodness. Does Lerner have some sort of bet on? You know, clubs of similar size have protested against their ownerships for less, us included when Hellis looked like he was taking us down. How long before we show a bit of that?

He's a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

He's appointed a CEO who is quite clearly way, way out of his depth, and is still in denial with this Ajax model bullshit.

He may have put lots of money into the club, but the way he has managed his asset - or allowed it to be managed - is utterly laughable. Three years of continued decline, and he's just going to sit on his hands, doing nothing.

If he's going to sit in the US watching the odd match on television, then he absolutely MUST get people into the management of the club here who understand the game.

Right now, all he is doing is proving that not only was he a dreadful sports club owner in the US, he's even worse on this side of the Atlantic.

He is indeed an idiot, his ownership is now bordering on gross negligence. If he and those advising him can't see that we are ruined unless he invests some money in the team in the next week, we are finished.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 12:46:13 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 11:37:27 AM
because he knows we are very much in the shit

Because he's probably thinking if he'd turned down Wolves he'd have had this job in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 12:48:27 PM: Quote from: john e on January 23, 2013, 11:35:58 AM
dont know why but just watched the coverage that i recorded of last nights game,
Saunders looks absolutly gutted at the end of the match, and like he said he played for both clubs

I noticed that . It really hurts being a Villa fan at the moment . I bet Shaun Teale has destroyed something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 12:50:35 PM: Sissoko £2.5 million, I'd like an explanation from Aston Villa explaining why we haven't bid for him? There isn't going to be any better value than that around. It's absolutely crazy if we're not in for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 12:52:38 PM: If we dont beat Barcodes , its goodbye Vienna . I said this before the Wigan game thou and the Soton game and we still keep giving points to the other teams in the shit giving them a lift etc. We cant keep not winning at home.

Someone at the club needs to wake up. I honestly thought we would beat Wigan and Soton but I think Barcodes will do us .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 23, 2013, 12:54:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 12:50:35 PM
Sissoko £2.5 million, I'd like an explanation from Aston Villa explaining why we haven't bid for him? There isn't going to be any better value than that around. It's absolutely crazy if we're not in for him.

Maybe we haven't got 2.25m or the money for his wages? It certainly feels that way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 23, 2013, 01:03:34 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 23, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 12:50:35 PM
Sissoko £2.5 million, I'd like an explanation from Aston Villa explaining why we haven't bid for him? There isn't going to be any better value than that around. It's absolutely crazy if we're not in for him.

Maybe we haven't got 2.25m or the money for his wages? It certainly feels that way.

He's probably waiting for more attractive options.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 01:04:04 PM: its not the fee , Its the wages ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 01:05:06 PM: Maybe we have bid for him, and been told we've got no chance.

Lets be fair, we're not the most attractive proposition at the moment, are we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 23, 2013, 01:19:34 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 23, 2013, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 23, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Understand last night's humiliation & parlous lge position won't alter @AVFCOfficial's attitude to Jan transfer market.Might not buy 1/2

Tweet from Pat Murphy.

Goodness. Does Lerner have some sort of bet on? You know, clubs of similar size have protested against their ownerships for less, us included when Hellis looked like he was taking us down. How long before we show a bit of that?

He's a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

Lerner is retarded, that much is a given.
But i'm not so sure Lambert even WANTS to sign some new players, or hasn't a clue on who he could get to improve things.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 01:20:04 PM: If we'd bid for a player it's fairly likely that it would have leaked out somewhere, and I strongly suspect we haven't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 23, 2013, 01:22:56 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on January 23, 2013, 12:41:44 PM
Craig Gardner is a blindingly obvious signing. Not the most talented but a bit of grit and presence about him. Good with set pieces, can break into the box and will get stuck in.

Why would he come back to VIlla? He is a Blue Nose and probably wants to play in the Premier League next year.

I think even if there is money there to spend, we will have a serious problem attracting players now as opposed to the start of January, when at least there was the carrot of a League Cup final to dangle. The deeper into January we get, the more depressing the club seems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 23, 2013, 01:32:00 PM: We're certainly a far less attractive option than the start of the month, when we could have realistically tempted players with the promise of a Wembley appearance and European competition next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 01:37:40 PM: We are signing nobody and we are fucked. Cheers Lerner, you fucking arrogant, clueless twunt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 23, 2013, 01:48:45 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Maybe we have bid for him, and been told we've got no chance.

Lets be fair, we're not the most attractive proposition at the moment, are we?

All sorts of problems with our situation. You can bet if we are after anyone of decent quality then the club will want some sort of relegation clause on their wages. Not a particularly attractive proposition if you'd end up on less than you are now. Likewise any good player would probably want some sort of relegation exit clause which probably wouldn't appeal to the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 02:01:48 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Maybe we have bid for him, and been told we've got no chance.

Lets be fair, we're not the most attractive proposition at the moment, are we?

i know I am struggling to be attracted to us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:05:08 PM: If it is true that we might not make any signings Lerner will merit the money he loses through relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 23, 2013, 02:06:37 PM: Lerner must be so sure we'd get relegated even if we buy new players if he doesn't give money for Lambert to buy players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:58 PM: Lerner has to be bricking it just reaching for his wallet given how most of his investment through 4 managers has gone down the shitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:18:18 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Lerner has to be bricking it just reaching for his wallet given how most of his investment through 4 managers has gone down the shitter.

True. He has backed them all, and we have the weakest squad in the league. The problem for me is that we are not actually miles away, and the 15 million now would be much more rewarding that going down.

Bah its all just very, very shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 23, 2013, 02:18:51 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Maybe we have bid for him, and been told we've got no chance.

Lets be fair, we're not the most attractive proposition at the moment, are we?

If you are determined enough to succeed you will sell the club to the player no matter how bad things are and you will do whatever it takes to get the player you want.

We sold the club to Bent when we were in the drop zone. It seems we haven't the determination to succeed any more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 23, 2013, 02:20:18 PM: This thread should be changed to 'wake me up when something happens'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 23, 2013, 02:20:38 PM: We could well have been attractive due to the 60k per week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2013, 02:21:49 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Maybe we have bid for him, and been told we've got no chance.

Lets be fair, we're not the most attractive proposition at the moment, are we?

i know I am struggling to be attracted to us

A low key "come hither eyes" approach from Villa will not attract players at the moment.

Now's the time for dropping knickers and saying "come and get me big boy"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:26:56 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Lerner has to be bricking it just reaching for his wallet given how most of his investment through 4 managers has gone down the shitter.

True. He has backed them all, and we have the weakest squad in the league. The problem for me is that we are not actually miles away, and the 15 million now would be much more rewarding that going down.

Bah its all just very, very shit.

I think you're right Ozz. But Lerner has to be wondering whether that 15m will be spent well, or just become another gaping hole in his balance sheet. I think we all know what we need, it's another thing if the manager sees it the same way and brings in the right players with 8 days left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 23, 2013, 02:32:49 PM: anyway i've just recieved a text from the club thanking me for my support last night

so that was nice
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:34:15 PM: The thing is, if we really have f all to spend, then 1.5 on Davies and Reo Coker on a free would be an improvement on the current side. And cheap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 23, 2013, 02:38:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Lerner has to be bricking it just reaching for his wallet given how most of his investment through 4 managers has gone down the shitter.

True. He has backed them all, and we have the weakest squad in the league. The problem for me is that we are not actually miles away, and the 15 million now would be much more rewarding that going down.

Bah its all just very, very shit.

Well said Ozzjim, we are not a bad team when we do try to play. It's been said over and over again, we just need a bit of experience in the spine of the team. As you say, if we gamble on staying in the league with what we have now, it could end up costing us a lot at the end of the season. We need an experienced midfielder and Dunne to come back and partner Vlaar at centre-back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 02:45:44 PM: Quote from: Le Lapin on January 23, 2013, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Lerner has to be bricking it just reaching for his wallet given how most of his investment through 4 managers has gone down the shitter.

True. He has backed them all, and we have the weakest squad in the league. The problem for me is that we are not actually miles away, and the 15 million now would be much more rewarding that going down.

Bah its all just very, very shit.

Well said Ozzjim, we are not a bad team when we do try to play. It's been said over and over again, we just need a bit of experience in the spine of the team. As you say, if we gamble on staying in the league with what we have now, it could end up costing us a lot at the end of the season. We need an experienced midfielder and Dunne to come back and partner Vlaar at centre-back.

I think I'd sign a centreback to partner Dunne and replace Vlaar. He isn't the player many fans think he is. Stick him on the bench and us for cover.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 02:52:59 PM: Sissoko signing for Marsielle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 03:04:52 PM: Oh good, not that it matters we don't have any ambition to try and improve the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 23, 2013, 03:07:21 PM: Seems saints are preparing to snatch coutinho for £10m , would be the 2nd time in a week theyve gazumped liverpool-teams around us are all investing in players while we rot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 23, 2013, 03:09:36 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2013, 02:52:59 PM
Sissoko signing for Marsielle

Was he waiting to see if we got to Wembley?? just a thought...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 03:09:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 23, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
Seems saints are preparing to snatch coutinho for £10m , would be the 2nd time in a week theyve gazumped liverpool-teams around us are all investing in players while we rot.
Bloody unbelievable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 23, 2013, 03:10:11 PM: Newcastle brought 4 players in so far now ...still nowt from us or looking like their will be.

They go into the huge match with us with 4 new players we are likely to go into it with no new players and at Minimum one humiliating cup loss and worst 2
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 03:11:51 PM: Newcastle will probably hammer us to be honest, they're at least trying to address their problems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 03:17:19 PM: Newcastle are buying the sort of quality at prices we should have been targeting. Their new one has targeted the top 6. How fucking depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 23, 2013, 03:18:24 PM: I'm actually taking a break from posting for a while. February is a big month for me, and while I am flying ovr for the West Ham game, I haven't the stomach for the villa right now. It's just depressing and I'd rather not know if we're missing out on players etc as the results and lack of leadership are hard enough to take.

Just taking my first break from posting in about four years. I might be on occasionally to read but that's it.

See ya'll.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Situation on January 23, 2013, 03:27:21 PM: After last night how can we not sign new players. its disgraceful.

if we can't even beat some shitty league 2 team over two games in a semi final than what fucking chance do we have staying up. We can't fucking defend fucking corners!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 23, 2013, 04:27:07 PM: This thread is like checking your lottery numbers you know your not going to win but you still look.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 23, 2013, 04:39:12 PM: Lerner has invested a fortune and it has got him nowhere. He won't throw good money after bad. He has assembled a team and a manager that can perform ok in the Championship and he has gambled that he will still get a significant gate, albeit reduced. He's done the sums and the best financial option is to scrape by in this division with hat we have and the second, given that he no longer believes spending money is any guarantee of success, is to be a solid, average Championship team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 23, 2013, 04:41:09 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 23, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
This thread is like checking your lottery numbers you know your not going to win but you still look.

I have a better analogy. It's like a load of old farts crying to eachother over the fortunes of some children kicking a bit of plastic about.

Just having a laugh guys, spare your wrath.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 23, 2013, 05:02:35 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 23, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
This thread is like checking your lottery numbers when you haven't even bought a cupon.

Corrected.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wookster on January 23, 2013, 05:38:48 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4ZAoM-uak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4ZAoM-uak)

JPAs son is looking pretty useful. Sign him up while he still has Villa in his blood ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 23, 2013, 06:04:40 PM: Looks like we're winding the business down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 23, 2013, 06:10:43 PM: Maybe Lambert isn't doing the press conference tomorrow because he's signing someone? Or updating his CV in an Internet cafe?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 06:16:40 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
Looks like we're winding the business down.
Feels like we have been doing it for a while now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 06:17:38 PM: We need a couple of decent players if nothing else than to raise the fans a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on January 23, 2013, 06:29:24 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 23, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 23, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
This thread is like checking your lottery numbers you know your not going to win but you still look.

I have a better analogy. It's like a load of old farts crying to eachother over the fortunes of some children kicking a bit of plastic about.

Just having a laugh guys, spare your wrath.
Replying to this thread is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman. First you have to boot up your hard drive, then you have to give the right messages and push the right buttons. Before you know it you've delivered into her box and its all over.

Surely we've got a few deals up our sleeve? I can understand the club not giving anything away but I'm really disappointed we havn't got anyone in yet. Last night just confirmed how poor we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 23, 2013, 06:31:09 PM: Makes me laugh how this is always on the recent posts.

Haven't you lot given up by now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 06:32:59 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 06:17:38 PM
We need a couple of decent players if nothing else than to raise the fans a bit.

That's another reason, the club owes the fans something to lift our spirits. Obviously it's crucial they're the sort of players we need, but the club needs to give something to the fans now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 23, 2013, 06:51:36 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 23, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
We're certainly a far less attractive option than the start of the month, when we could have realistically tempted players with the promise of a Wembley appearance and European competition next season.

Players are only tempted by money. Dont believe me then why has Sneijder at the peak of his powers gone to Galatasaray.

99% of the foreign players are mercanaries look at Demba Ba for instance ,money money money.

Having said that I dont blame them. In their countries of birth they would pick up a minimal wage. Over here its a kings ransom
and thats for the average imports as well.

And its all down to an Australian called Murdoch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 23, 2013, 06:55:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 06:17:38 PM
We need a couple of decent players if nothing else than to raise the fans a bit.

That's another reason, the club owes the fans something to lift our spirits. Obviously it's crucial they're the sort of players we need, but the club needs to give something to the fans now.

Surely the free flags on the chairs last night lifted the spirits? No transfers in january but we've all now got spiffing flags to wave about like X Factor audience members.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 23, 2013, 07:11:36 PM: It wouldn't suprise me if we are waiting to sell Bent before we bring anyone in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 23, 2013, 07:14:06 PM: I hope we do if it means we get to spend some money and bring some players in. Let's face it, we aren't using him in any kind of way and we are paying him £60k+ a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 07:17:55 PM: Quote from: NeilH on January 23, 2013, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2013, 06:32:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 06:17:38 PM
We need a couple of decent players if nothing else than to raise the fans a bit.

That's another reason, the club owes the fans something to lift our spirits. Obviously it's crucial they're the sort of players we need, but the club needs to give something to the fans now.

Surely the free flags on the chairs last night lifted the spirits? No transfers in january but we've all now got spiffing flags to wave about like X Factor audience members.
That is the way football has become. For the worse. The fans will bite back though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on January 23, 2013, 07:24:38 PM: As others have said surely to god the club have to sanction a couple of purchases, one to give us at least a fighting chance of stopping up and almost as important to give the fans some hope that the club haven't given up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 23, 2013, 07:33:23 PM: The 'free' flags last night was our january transfer budget.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 23, 2013, 07:34:50 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 23, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
The 'free' flags last night was our january transfer budget.
Small time idea by a club being run small time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 07:37:22 PM: It did look quite nice though.

...Just me?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 23, 2013, 07:38:56 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
It did look quite nice though.

...Just me?
It looked like a schoolboy international being played at Wembley in 1978.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 07:40:41 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 23, 2013, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 23, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
The 'free' flags last night was our january transfer budget.
Small time idea by a club being run small time.
Small time marketing madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 07:40:54 PM: That was before I was born. I feel like I missed out on better days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 23, 2013, 07:41:47 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
That was before I was born. I feel like I missed out on better days.
Trust me you didn't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2013, 07:44:41 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
It did look quite nice though.

...Just me?

It looked nice but it sounded shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 23, 2013, 08:04:21 PM: The only thing wrong with the 'free flags' was that they were in our colours, whereas plain white ones would have been a far more appropriate message from Randy and Faulkner who have clearly surrendered our PL status already!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 23, 2013, 08:20:12 PM: Quote from: James on January 23, 2013, 08:04:21 PM
The only thing wrong with the 'free flags' was that they were in our colours, whereas plain white ones would have been a far more appropriate message from Randy and Faulkner who have clearly surrendered our PL status already!

Exactly what we said as we arrived!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2013, 08:30:54 PM: Its about time for the 'Villa signing No-Juan' joke
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:34:17 PM: Apparently we've had a bid accepted for Italian midfielder Nessuno.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on January 23, 2013, 08:35:14 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
Apparently we've had a bid accepted for Italian midfielder Nessuno.

Nice one, where did you hear that and is he any good?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 08:35:37 PM: ...I'd never heard of him, but you still got my hopes up. Bastard!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:35:53 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on January 23, 2013, 08:35:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
Apparently we've had a bid accepted for Italian midfielder Nessuno.

Nice one, where did you hear that and is he any good?

All over the media.

Plays for AC Finta in serie C, so a youngster, I imagine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 23, 2013, 08:36:46 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 23, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
I'm actually taking a break from posting for a while. February is a big month for me, and while I am flying ovr for the West Ham game, I haven't the stomach for the villa right now. It's just depressing and I'd rather not know if we're missing out on players etc as the results and lack of leadership are hard enough to take.

Just taking my first break from posting in about four years. I might be on occasionally to read but that's it.

See ya'll.
Don't forget the GTC FA Cup.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rodders on January 23, 2013, 08:38:04 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
Apparently we've had a bid accepted for Italian midfielder Nessuno.

Chortle.

I heard there was a Bid in for Nada from La Liga.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:40:06 PM: Have we signed that Czech player yet? I think he's called Zilch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 23, 2013, 08:41:33 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
Have we signed that Czech player yet? I think he's called Zilch.

Nope, but the Dutch midfield powerhouse "Niets" is on the verge of signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:42:19 PM: I've heard that Brassic is on his way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2013, 08:43:13 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
Apparently we've had a bid accepted for Italian midfielder Nessuno.

(Young One's Time)

God, you're an utter teacup...........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on January 23, 2013, 08:43:35 PM: Me and my boy kept the flags to remind us of the invaluable Father Son memories of being together through thick and thin. The Villa are shite right now but we will be great again one day (albeit not soon) if I am still here with him then great but if I am not then maybe he can take my flag, hat, gloves, underpants to a champions league final and exorcise the ghost of failure that we have right now by leaving it/them in the stadium when we lift the European Cup.

Remember we, Lerner and whoever plays or manages us are but temporary but the Lions flag goes flying high 'cos Aston Villa will never die!'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyaston on January 23, 2013, 08:43:55 PM: It would be better if Lambert got his own football boots out!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on January 23, 2013, 08:44:48 PM: I've heard Messi has always been a Villa fan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2013, 08:47:16 PM: breaking news, we're signing Nada from Boca, and the Chinese lad 不重要之人, 无名小卒 from Guangzhou Evergrande
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2013, 08:47:46 PM: Quote from: Zakk Fatt on January 23, 2013, 08:43:35 PM
Me and my boy kept the flags to remind us of the invaluable Father Son memories of being together through thick and thin. The Villa are shite right now but we will be great again one day (albeit not soon) if I am still here with him then great but if I am not then maybe he can take my flag, hat, gloves, underpants to a champions league final and exorcise the ghost of failure that we have right now by leaving it/them in the stadium when we lift the European Cup.

Remember we, Lerner and whoever plays or manages us are but temporary but the Lions flag goes flying high 'cos Aston Villa will never die!'

here here , these people are custodians of our club they come and go but we dont . i would not want to support anyone else
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 23, 2013, 08:48:16 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:42:19 PM
I've heard that Brassic is on his way.

Niemand from Germany has been spotted at Bodymoor
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:48:38 PM: 'Diddly' Squat is another target.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:49:46 PM: I have high hopes for Fukal from Turkey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 23, 2013, 08:50:43 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:48:38 PM
'Diddly' Squat is another target.
That's just another name for Barry Bannan isn't it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2013, 08:57:30 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2013, 03:17:19 PM
Newcastle are buying the sort of quality at prices we should have been targeting. Their new one has targeted the top 6. How fucking depressing.
Yes Newcastle ...there is a club to teach us how to do business!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2013, 08:59:13 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on January 23, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:48:38 PM
'Diddly' Squat is another target.
That's just another name for Barry Bannan isn't it?
Very funny Tayls 7 and welcome to the forum. Please refrain from making insulting comments about our superstars.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:00:38 PM: We have superstars?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2013, 09:00:50 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
I have high hopes for Fukal from Turkey.
His brother Halal is more kosher target .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:01:16 PM: (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558273_10200417674872252_841074756_n.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2013, 09:01:45 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
We have superstars?
Well they know they are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 23, 2013, 09:04:05 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 23, 2013, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
I have high hopes for Fukal from Turkey.
His brother Halal is more kosher target .
His sister Donna is fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2013, 09:06:20 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558273_10200417674872252_841074756_n.jpg)

The top picture still has Marlon Harewood, Nigel Reo-Coker, Craig Gardner, Curtis Davies and Nicky Shorey in it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2013, 09:06:57 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558273_10200417674872252_841074756_n.jpg)
Never knew you were such a fan of Marlon Harewood, Nicky Shorey and Curtis Davies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 23, 2013, 09:11:04 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558273_10200417674872252_841074756_n.jpg)
Never knew you were such a fan of Marlon Harewood, Nicky Shorey and Curtis Davies.
I was too busy looking at NRC and Craig " short arms" Gardner to notice those three.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:11:32 PM: Bugger. Rumbled.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 23, 2013, 09:12:44 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 23, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:01:16 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/558273_10200417674872252_841074756_n.jpg)

The top picture still has Marlon Harewood, Nigel Reo-Coker, Craig Gardner, Curtis Davies and Nicky Shorey in it.

Exactly, so what does that say about the current lot
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:13:45 PM: OK. THIS is Aston Villa:

(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/3f/b4/0,,10265~10335295,00.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 23, 2013, 09:16:41 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 23, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
OK. THIS is Aston Villa:

(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/3f/b4/0,,10265~10335295,00.jpg)

Thats the baby. Look at where we were. Now we are giving out flags in the semi final of the league cup whilst trailing 3-1 to a 4 division side. How the mighty have fallen. Will be back though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyaston on January 23, 2013, 09:47:29 PM: Quote from: Zakk Fatt on January 23, 2013, 08:44:48 PM
I've heard Messi has always been a Villa fan?
Yes he owns about 20 of them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 23, 2013, 11:15:45 PM: I did read on Twitter that Paul Lambert is said to be interested in signing the Swansea ball boy as he's able to hold the ball up better than anyone in the #avfc current squad
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 23, 2013, 11:17:18 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 23, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
I did read on Twitter that Paul Lambert is said to be interested in signing the Swansea ball boy as he's able to hold the ball up better than anyone in the #avfc current squad
This is more evidence of our black humour returning. I am hoping to hear more examples of it as the season rumbles on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 23, 2013, 11:29:59 PM: Good news Lambert is being back ....with no money !!

Quote
Paul Lambert continues to enjoy the unqualified support of the Aston Villa owner, Randy Lerner, despite Tuesday night's humiliating semi-final exit from the Capital One Cup at the hands of League Two Bradford City. With Villa also mired in relegation trouble, Bradford's 4-3 aggregate victory over a club 61 places above them on the football ladder has raised questions about Lambert's ability to turn things around. Lerner, however, has no intention of sacking a manager he appointed only seven months ago.

The American spoke to Lambert on the phone after the Bradford match and, although the result represented a huge disappointment, especially as it was viewed as a chance to alter the course of Villa's season, Lerner is behind the manager to the extent that he is prepared to stand by him even if Villa are relegated. Lerner does not believe in knee-jerk reactions and he continues to regard Lambert – Villa's third manager in as many turbulent seasons – as the right person to get the club back on track.

Lerner's backing will not, however, stretch to greater financial support in this transfer window. Lambert, who spent £23m in the summer, has been told that he has limited funds available and there are no plans to revise that approach in the wake of the Bradford result, which brutally exposed the shortcomings – lack of leadership, brittle confidence, inability to defend set pieces and a shortage of genuine Premier League quality – that have been evident throughout a hugely disappointing campaign.

There is certainly no prospect of a marquee signing along the lines of the club-record deal Lerner approved two years ago, when Villa paid Sunderland £24m for Darren Bent to effectively safeguard their Premier League status under Gérard Houllier. Villa remain hopeful that new faces can be brought in but the budget is tight and they have ruled out the possibility of making a splash in the market in the way that their fellow strugglers Newcastle United have.

The most likely transfer deals at Villa Park involve potential departures. Stephen Warnock, the former England international who has slipped so far down the pecking order that he has not kicked a ball under Lambert, has been the subject of inquiries from Leeds United and Wolverhampton Wanderers, with the view to a possible loan.

There has also been interest from overseas in Alan Hutton, another player who has yet to feature this season.

With Premier League survival regarded as the priority for a club where a significant number of the senior players do not have relegation clauses in their contracts, Friday's awkward FA Cup fourth-round tie against Millwall at The Den is regarded as nothing like as important as Tuesday's home game against Newcastle. Alan Pardew's side are 16th in the table, one point and one place above Villa, who have scored only once in their past six Premier League home matches.

A trip to Wembley would have given a group of players who have been knocked from pillar to post over the past six weeks a much-needed confidence boost ahead of the Newcastle match.

Instead, the mood in the dressing room was one of acute embarrassment after Villa were unable to beat a Bradford team, 10th in League Two and assembled at a cost of £7,500, over the course of 180 minutes. "The disappointment in my body, I've never felt this before," Ron Vlaar, the Villa captain, said.

Vlaar was at fault for Bradford's crucial goal in their 2-1 defeat at Villa Park, when James Hanson got above him to nod home a corner from Gary Jones.

Hanson's header meant that all four Bradford goals across the two legs had arrived, either directly or indirectly, from corners, which was an area of weakness in the Villa side that Phil Parkinson, the Bradford manager, said he identified after watching them in the Premier League. "You can't hide away from it, Villa have been vulnerable," Parkinson said.

Lambert accepted that Villa's ability to defend set pieces is a concern. Villa have conceded 15 goals from dead-ball situations in the Premier League this season, which is more than any other top-flight club and represents the continuation of a worrying pattern that has set in over the past few years.

Under Alex McLeish, Villa conceded 25 goals from set pieces last season, which was the poorest record in the league. The season before, during Houllier's brief reign, Villa conceded 27 goals from set pieces.

It is o
ne of numerous problems Lambert needs to address
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 23, 2013, 11:35:56 PM: We don't need marquee signings. We just need some bloody options!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 23, 2013, 11:47:16 PM: At least none of the forwards will be moaning about the lack of game time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 12:33:05 AM: Honestly, with that attitude, we are fucked. Lerner is utterly, utterly brainless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 12:36:03 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 12:33:05 AM
Honestly, with that attitude, we are fucked. Lerner is utterly, utterly brainless.

It defies belief
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on January 24, 2013, 01:09:26 AM: I dread too think the state the club will be in this time next year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 02:24:10 AM: Still believe there will be players but not anyone who wants 60.000 a week. Lerner looks at top earning players like Ireland who contributes very little and cannot be moved on because nobody else is stupid enough to pay that kind of money, and decides the club is going for younger cheaper players. Look at our top earners and name one who is worth what they're paid? not one of them, so why pay a fortune to someone who may well turn out to be another one to add to the list. I would prefer to go after another Benteke who lets face it no-one had ever heard of.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2013, 02:28:14 AM: I am angry. That is all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM: I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:02:10 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?

Affordable for a club with lower gates and who we're in the third tier two years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 24, 2013, 08:16:53 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?

And you'd guess the contract will be linked in to Premiership survival.

Affordable for a club with lower gates and who we're in the third tier two years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mister E on January 24, 2013, 08:17:55 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?

Affordable for a club with lower gates and who we're in the third tier two years ago.
Define afordable.
Like QPR, S'ton are gambling on future earnings to stay up, in the light of the enhanced payments to the EPL next season.

It's an approach that Lerner - even with his now more cautious approach - should have adopted at the beginning of this month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:24:52 AM: Quote from: Mister E on January 24, 2013, 08:17:55 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?

Affordable for a club with lower gates and who we're in the third tier two years ago.
Define afordable.
Like QPR, S'ton are gambling on future earnings to stay up, in the light of the enhanced payments to the EPL next season.

It's an approach that Lerner - even with his now more cautious approach - should have adopted at the beginning of this month.

He's young and shit hot, it's exactly the sort of player we should be going balls out to sign.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 24, 2013, 08:25:23 AM: Sign nobody and we're relegated.

As simple as that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 24, 2013, 08:27:20 AM: You'd think his contract will performance related with respect to them staying up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2013, 08:30:30 AM: Signed anyone yet?

This is fucking pathetic. I'm sure you agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2013, 08:36:46 AM: It looks like we've made our choice. We're like one of those religious lunatics who refuses hospital treatment for a curable disease because it isn't God's will. In fact, we're choosing our fate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 08:49:25 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2013, 08:30:30 AM
Signed anyone yet?

This is fucking pathetic. I'm sure you agree.

Time to board the lifeboat before the ship sinks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 24, 2013, 08:56:02 AM: I was recalling this morning about how we were hovering around the relegation zone, the first season we got promoted under SGT.
We signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan and although they were poor in the long run, they gave us a short term boost to help us to safety.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2013, 08:56:28 AM: Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:06:53 AM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 24, 2013, 08:25:23 AM
Sign nobody and we're relegated.

As simple as that.

Indeed we will be, this is an absolute fucking disgrace. The idiocy of our owner, board and possibly manager defies belief.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:09:26 AM: What staggers me is that not signing anyone in this window makes absolutely no financial sense. If we don't sign anyone we'll probably go down and miss out on £60 million. If we spend about £10 million on a couple of players that'd probably save us and we'll get that £60 million. What sort of moron of an owner can't work out those sums?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 09:11:38 AM: Day 24. Does anybody else get the feeling that this is the day we finally sign someone?...No, me neither.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 24, 2013, 09:22:46 AM: i've just accepted that we probably arnt going to sign anyone this window
i'm not into panic buys, and some of the names mentioned on here are just horrendous,
but i would have liked a couple of decent players coming in as we are weak defense and midfield areas

but its not going to happen, so i'm not going to stress about it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM: Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM: 2 decisive early moves we may well now be at Wembley and 3-4 points clear. What the feck are we doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 09:37:21 AM: Being linked with Hendrick from Derby: www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/lambert-looks-to-sign-hendrick-3363409.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 09:37:31 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:09:26 AM
What staggers me is that not signing anyone in this window makes absolutely no financial sense. If we don't sign anyone we'll probably go down and miss out on £60 million. If we spend about £10 million on a couple of players that'd probably save us and we'll get that £60 million. What sort of moron of an owner can't work out those sums?

Come on down Randolph Lerner!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 09:37:50 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
2 decisive early moves we may well now be at Wembley and 3-4 points clear. What the feck are we doing.

Preparing for relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2013, 09:39:56 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.

Well said Dan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM: Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:46:50 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.

Well said Dan.

Agreed we are starting to resemble Blackburn in terms of lacking a clue as to what the fuck we are doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 10:10:02 AM: Ive just spoken with Paul Faulkner. Here is a transcript of our conversation.

RON: Have we signed anyone today Paul?

PF Fucktifiknow

RON: Tremendous , does he play in midfield?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.

Well said Dan.

Agreed we are starting to resemble Blackburn in terms of lacking a clue as to what the fuck we are doing.

Lerner is just as stupid as the chicken farmers, he just had a bit more of his trust fund money to waste.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 24, 2013, 10:21:46 AM: Ok so he plays for the knuckledraggers and this will cause laughter from some but just heard Curtis Davies is up for grabs - is he worth another go? :o From what I've seen he's played well for Blues and can only imagine his wage demands have priced him out of a new contract. I always rated him before he popped his shoulder and fell out with MON.

With Baker out, Vlaar's ongoing problems, Dunne's continued absence we only have one fit central defender in Ciaran Clark. That's not enough especially as Ciaran seems to pick up a yellow card most weeks - this would be an affordable experienced defender and with Vlaar and Davies at the back we would also have the option to move Clark into midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 10:24:23 AM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
2 decisive early moves we may well now be at Wembley and 3-4 points clear. What the feck are we doing.

Preparing for relegation.

Clearly we are not doing that. Even the most cynical of us would have to agree that deliberately relegating the club makes absolutely no sense in any way shape or form.
My guess is that Lambert and his scouts are simply unable to find the required players given the constraints put upon him by Lerner and Lambert. The club have clearly decided to continue down this ludicrous Ajax route and our precipitous position does not seem to be swaying it one iota.
I honestly think that their belief in Lambert combined with arrogance and aloofness is the reason why it’s quieter than church mouse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 10:24:46 AM: Already said if we've got very little available Davies would improve our side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 10:26:42 AM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on January 24, 2013, 10:21:46 AM
Ok so he plays for the knuckledraggers and this will cause laughter from some but just heard Curtis Davies is up for grabs - is he worth another go? :o From what I've seen he's played well for Blues and can only imagine his wage demands have priced him out of a new contract. I always rated him before he popped his shoulder and fell out with MON.

With Baker out, Vlaar's ongoing problems, Dunne's continued absence we only have one fit central defender in Ciaran Clark. That's not enough especially as Ciaran seems to pick up a yellow card most weeks - this would be an affordable experienced defender and with Vlaar and Davies at the back we would also have the option to move Clark into midfield.
With the lack of finances available i think this could be a possible, good option. Not the best but its what we can expect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 10:37:37 AM: Randy has sent his plane to get Mr Messi...................

next in Mr Tidy, Mr Tickle and perhaps Mr Bump.

- Sorry I love the old ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 24, 2013, 11:02:31 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Already said if we've got very little available Davies would improve our side.

Saw him in Sainsbury's yesterday. Should have tapped him up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 11:10:21 AM: Day 24.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:14:05 AM: Did Lambert really say no one is coming in at the presser today??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:19:19 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Did Lambert really say no one is coming in at the presser today??

According to Pat Murphy, yes it looks that way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 24, 2013, 11:19:31 AM: Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
2 decisive early moves we may well now be at Wembley and 3-4 points clear. What the feck are we doing.

Preparing for relegation.

Clearly we are not doing that. Even the most cynical of us would have to agree that deliberately relegating the club makes absolutely no sense in any way shape or form.
My guess is that Lambert and his scouts are simply unable to find the required players given the constraints put upon him by Lerner and Lambert. The club have clearly decided to continue down this ludicrous Ajax route and our precipitous position does not seem to be swaying it one iota.
I honestly think that their belief in Lambert combined with arrogance and aloofness is the reason why it’s quieter than church mouse.

Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
2 decisive early moves we may well now be at Wembley and 3-4 points clear. What the feck are we doing.

Preparing for relegation.

Clearly we are not doing that. Even the most cynical of us would have to agree that deliberately relegating the club makes absolutely no sense in any way shape or form.
My guess is that Lambert and his scouts are simply unable to find the required players given the constraints put upon him by Lerner and Lambert. The club have clearly decided to continue down this ludicrous Ajax route and our precipitous position does not seem to be swaying it one iota.
I honestly think that their belief in Lambert combined with arrogance and aloofness is the reason why it’s quieter than church mouse.

Love your town Neil but disagree with your post. They may not be directly planning relegation but are doing nothing to stop it. I don't understand how they can ignore the £60m on offer to Premier League clubs next season and the losses from dwindling attendances and certainly from season tickets next season. They will undoubtedly market them along the lines of "See the lions roar back to the Premier League" but I don't think it will wash with more than about 25k next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 24, 2013, 11:19:51 AM: Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 10:37:37 AM
Randy has sent his plane to get Mr Messi...................

next in Mr Tidy, Mr Tickle and perhaps Mr Bump.

- Sorry I love the old ones.

You've got me thinking, Malandro. Maybe we are approaching this thread from the wrong angle. I mean, 24 days with little other than steadily more angst-ridden expressions of desperation. Maybe we should look at it in the way you are suggesting. So, if our current team is:

GK - Mr Clumsy
RB - Mr Muddle
LB - Mr Quiet
CH - Mr Bump
CH - Mr Slow
LW - Mr Topsy-Turvy
CM - Mr Nobody
CM - Mr Dizzy
RW - Mr Daydream
CF - Mr Lazy
CF - Mr Wrong
SUB - Mr Worry

Then surely we need to be bringing in the following, which should all be reasonably priced - £2.50 each, some may even be on half-price sale somewhere around town - and would imply little or no impact on the wage bill:

GK - Mr Mean
RB - Mr Brave
LB - Mr Noisy
CH - Mr Strong
CH - Mr Tall
LW - Mr Impossible
CM - Mr Busy
CM - Mr Clever
RW - Mr Good
CF - Mr Messi
CF - Mr Rush
SUB - Mr Mischief

Come on Randy, pull your finger out, man!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 11:20:25 AM: Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Did Lambert really say no one is coming in at the presser today??

According to Pat Murphy, yes it looks that way.

If that's the case then the club deserves relegation, the fans don't sadly but we don't matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 24, 2013, 11:20:48 AM: Quote from: Mister E on January 24, 2013, 08:17:55 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 24, 2013, 07:28:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:07:24 AM
I Southampton have had their Coutinho offer accepted at 10.2 million.

It all feels like it did in the final season of DOL at the moment, just without some of the good players we had then!

But what will his wages be?

Affordable for a club with lower gates and who we're in the third tier two years ago.
Define afordable.
Like QPR, S'ton are gambling on future earnings to stay up, in the light of the enhanced payments to the EPL next season.

It's an approach that Lerner - even with his now more cautious approach - should have adopted at the beginning of this month.

It is less of a gamble than lerner sitting on PF's face and doing nothing. If we go down it could be years before were back - take nzog, ireland, bent, given, dunne, benteke plus porbably weiman, gardner, vlaar out of our squad and replace them with inferior cheaper alternatives and nobody can tell me we have a team who could get us out of the chamionship. 3-4 years out of the top flight during the next few crazy money years and before you know it we are the next sheffield wednesday with the ding dong f'ing derby being played in league 1
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 11:23:25 AM: Looks like no on coming in

Mean while Newcastle who we play next are getting another player in Mousso Sissoko ..

Given their hatred of us for laughing as they went down a few years back ,should they win Tuesday I am sure the atmosphere at the match is going to be toxic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:24:15 AM: Quote
@stonydaz @AVFCOfficial Don't believe there'll be anyone in - or out - in Jan transfer window.PL says he can't complain

from Pat Murphy.

There you go, then, the ultimate act of stupidity from a board who have specialised in it for the last three years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM: Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has appealed to fans to continue backing the team after they missed out on reaching the Capital One Cup final this week.

In his press conference he says: "We will go again and stick together. It's a big wheel and it always turns. No fan can be hurting more than me and we must win them back. No matter what happens we must stick together."

"We defended well for three clean sheets out of four just a couple of months ago and we must get back to that. The relegation issue doesn't frighten me, there'll be a lot of clubs worried about getting sucked into it. We won't shy away from the challenge."

In denial.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 24, 2013, 11:27:04 AM: Get the white hankies ready for the Newcastle game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2013, 11:27:40 AM: Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Did Lambert really say no one is coming in at the presser today??

According to Pat Murphy, yes it looks that way.

Mark Regan from Radio WM has also tweeted that Lambert said it's very unlikley they'll be people coming or leaving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 11:27:43 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:24:15 AM
Quote
@stonydaz @AVFCOfficial Don't believe there'll be anyone in - or out - in Jan transfer window.PL says he can't complain

from Pat Murphy.

There you go, then, the ultimate act of stupidity from a board who have specialised in it for the last three years.

He can't complain? Well I fucking can. We are the only club down the bottom of the table doing nothing. The running of this club is an absolute joke, and like I said they deserve relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 24, 2013, 11:28:36 AM: "Henry Winter @henrywinter

Lambert has talked to Lerner about reinforcing #avfc. 'We don't just talk about the weather. In an ideal world, I'd love to get players in.'"

He's asked for backing but would appear to be getting none.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 24, 2013, 11:31:49 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has appealed to fans to continue backing the team after they missed out on reaching the Capital One Cup final this week.

In his press conference he says: "We will go again and stick together. It's a big wheel and it always turns. No fan can be hurting more than me and we must win them back. No matter what happens we must stick together."

"We defended well for three clean sheets out of four just a couple of months ago and we must get back to that. The relegation issue doesn't frighten me, there'll be a lot of clubs worried about getting sucked into it. We won't shy away from the challenge."

In denial.

What an absolute t**t. you gutless f'ing yes man Lambert. you cant complain? well f*** off out of our club then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:31:58 AM: So it looks like the tried and tested ‘We will be ok, we just will’ policy is now fully in operation. I really don’t have the words for the sheer ignorance and arrogance being shown. Our supporters, who have been magnificent all season, really do deserve better than this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2013, 11:32:05 AM: Well if that's the case they deserve everything they get. Bollocks to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 11:32:19 AM: Good bye Prem league who knows when we will see you again ...

AVFC officially the most gutless spineless board in football.Hang you heads in shame
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 11:32:23 AM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 24, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
"Henry Winter @henrywinter

Lambert has talked to Lerner about reinforcing #avfc. 'We don't just talk about the weather. In an ideal world, I'd love to get players in.'"

He's asked for backing but would appear to be getting none.

Well like I said, if that's the case then Lerner is a fucking idiot and the entire board are moronic as well. You can't just cost cut, your business will collapse. This is the inevitable result of dreadful ownership for the last few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 11:33:07 AM: I really don't understand what Lerner is getting out of all this, if he is in it for the money then he's going to be well out of pocket come May when we're relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 24, 2013, 11:33:52 AM: Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Did Lambert really say no one is coming in at the presser today??

According to Pat Murphy, yes it looks that way.
I remember Harry Redknapp saying categorically that Spurs had concluded all transfer business and there was going to be no more activity from Spurs on a transfer deadline day to sky sports news, an hour later they signed Van Der Vaart. Don't believe a word of it, likely that if Bent, Warnock or someone else gets transferred it might trigger a chain of activity. Can't believe PL is sitting on his hands not speaking to agents every day and trying to put deals together.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2013, 11:36:10 AM: I'd be surprised if no-one at all came in as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 24, 2013, 11:36:13 AM: I don't think Lerner has many backers left.

He is leading us to ruin.

I have flights and tickets for the West Ham game and I am actually dreading it. I am bringing over my dad and I can't see it being anything other than a disastrous afternoon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:37:21 AM: They are convinced that we will stay up and once we do, this young team will grow in strength and achieve Everton like heights. We know it’s flawed, I suspect Lambert knows its flawed too, but for reason known only to Lerner and Faulkner, they don’t see it that way.
With policies like this, we really do deserve the drop.
Bollocks to it all indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2013, 11:38:32 AM: Even if this turns out to be an elaborate bluff, I will find it hard to forgive them for making me feel this hopeless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 11:39:28 AM: I believe its only Newcastle in worst form that us and they have just brought 5 players ..QPR have gotten another player today and after another CB.

It's not just adding to squad in terms of talent its the boost a squad will get from new players coming in that we are going to miss out on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 24, 2013, 11:41:20 AM: can't believe Lambert and the Villa are doing nothing to get players in....but the silence is deafening.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 11:41:22 AM: Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:37:21 AM
They are convinced that we will stay up and once we do, this young team will grow in strength and achieve Everton like heights. We know it’s flawed, I suspect Lambert knows its flawed too, but for reason known only to Lerner and Faulkner, they don’t see it that way.
With policies like this, we really do deserve the drop.
Bollocks to it all indeed.

The reason is they're fucking idiots who know nothing about football, which frankly is remarkable having been involved with it for a few years now. Their decision have ranged from naive to idiotic and now to negligent. They're ruining this club. As Damon says as well, they have left the majority of fans with no hope left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2013, 11:41:37 AM: Quote from: damon green on January 24, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
Even if this turns out to be an elaborate bluff, I will find it hard to forgive them for making me feel this hopeless.

I'd have thought that you felt hopeless quite a lot of the time Damon! ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:42:19 AM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 11:33:07 AM
I really don't understand what Lerner is getting out of all this, if he is in it for the money then he's going to be well out of pocket come May when we're relegated.

Thing is, he probably doesn't think we'll be going down. Lambert's probably convinced him otherwise. You heard him -" I just do". If lambert came out and said "the chairman is more than happy to risk the millions the club will make next year for the sake of saving 10m now", he'd be out the door before the end of the day.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 11:46:35 AM: Quote from: damon green on January 24, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
Even if this turns out to be an elaborate bluff, I will find it hard to forgive them for making me feel this hopeless.

yeah I've got my wife for that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on January 24, 2013, 11:47:11 AM: all is not lost, you can still get 11/10 on us to go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gav-avfc on January 24, 2013, 11:48:54 AM: A mate of mines dad, is very close to doug ellis (that close that me and my friend traveled down to Norwich away in AV 1!) and they spoke to Faulkner at the bradford game about possible signings?
He replied that they were talking to a few players but were not far enough down the line of negations to say who they were.
Nobody knew we were signing Vlaar until he was seen outside VP?
who knows if we will sign anybody but behind the scenes we are at least trying (i think!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 24, 2013, 11:49:05 AM: I very much doubt Lambert thinks we'll go down. He'll be fighting to keep us up, it benefits him. He's had a shit season, but he damn well wants to stay up. He obviously wants to sign players but is being given no backing.

I want to support Lambo. I do. He's being hung out to dry by Lerner & Faulkner. I just can't get over Lambert's own failings though. Struggling against Chelsea, City, etc, is one thing. However losing to Bradford over two legs, that isn't Lerner's fault. That falls on Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:49:15 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: NeilH on January 24, 2013, 11:37:21 AM
They are convinced that we will stay up and once we do, this young team will grow in strength and achieve Everton like heights. We know it’s flawed, I suspect Lambert knows its flawed too, but for reason known only to Lerner and Faulkner, they don’t see it that way.
With policies like this, we really do deserve the drop.
Bollocks to it all indeed.

The reason is they're fucking idiots who know nothing about football, which frankly is remarkable having been involved with it for a few years now. Their decision have ranged from naive to idiotic and now to negligent. They're ruining this club. As Damon says as well, they have left the majority of fans with no hope left.

I remember a post Mac made a number of years ago, just before Randy arrived. He said that the one thing we as football fans, be it Villa fans or Port Vale fans have, is hope. Hope is obviously measured very differently at some clubs than others, but it’s that hope that keeps us going down. If you take the hope away, what do we, as fans, have left?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 11:49:50 AM: Quote from: placeforparks on January 24, 2013, 11:47:11 AM
all is not lost, you can still get 11/10 on us to go down.

perhaps Randy lumped £250 million on that at the start of the season
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 11:52:39 AM: Quote from: gav-avfc on January 24, 2013, 11:48:54 AM
A mate of mines dad, is very close to doug ellis (that close that me and my friend traveled down to Norwich away in AV 1!) and they spoke to Faulkner at the bradford game about possible signings?
He replied that they were talking to a few players but were not far enough down the line of negations to say who they were.
Nobody knew we were signing Vlaar until he was seen outside VP?
who knows if we will sign anybody but behind the scenes we are at least trying (i think!)

God I hope so , was that this weeks game ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 11:54:26 AM: Quote from: Summers on January 24, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
He obviously wants to sign players but is being given no backing.

Obviously? What's this based on?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 11:56:09 AM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: Summers on January 24, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
He obviously wants to sign players but is being given no backing.

Obviously? What's this based on?
The fact we haven't so much as bid for another player and we are into the final week of the window?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 24, 2013, 11:57:16 AM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: Summers on January 24, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
He obviously wants to sign players but is being given no backing.

Obviously? What's this based on?

Common sense and his quotes of "ideal world" he'd want to sign some players. Mixed with comments about we have little cash but he's trying.

Lambert's failing this season are evident, but if you tell me you honestly believe he doesn't WANT to sign anyone, I think you're wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 24, 2013, 11:57:33 AM: It seems that Randy and Lambert had an agreement that he'd have some money to spend in the summer but that would basically be it for the season. Lambert agreed, thinking that it would be enough to keep the team up and he could start to build something. But now we are in the shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gav-avfc on January 24, 2013, 12:00:16 PM: Yes david this weeks game.
My mates dad knew about Bent 2/3 weeks before he signed but had to keep it quiet
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: d.boy junior(sid) on January 24, 2013, 12:00:37 PM: Anyone take back Luke young? Experienced defender and can teach lowton/ bennett a few lessons. Would any-one take Downing back, or Quaresma as a free agent, decent names and could add some creativity that we are lacking. Tuesday Night just went to show how much we are crying out for a winger and how much we need to sell Bannan and get some height into the team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2013, 12:05:06 PM: Quote from: d.boy junior(sid) on January 24, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Anyone take back Luke young? Experienced defender and can teach lowton/ bennett a few lessons. Would any-one take Downing back, or Quaresma as a free agent, decent names and could add some creativity that we are lacking. Tuesday Night just went to show how much we are crying out for a winger and how much we need to sell Bannan and get some height into the team.

Lambert doesn't play with width so we won't be buying any wingers. He prefers the 'getting donkeys to try and thread a ball through the eye of a needle' tactic of playing constantly through the middle or his tried and tested 4-0-6 hail mary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 12:15:49 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 24, 2013, 11:28:36 AM
"Henry Winter @henrywinter

Lambert has talked to Lerner about reinforcing #avfc. 'We don't just talk about the weather. In an ideal world, I'd love to get players in.'"

He's asked for backing but would appear to be getting none.

If that's the case then surely the job has become untenable for him. He'd be better off resigning, making it known that he wasn't given the backing, have a few months off and then looking for a job in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: d.boy junior(sid) on January 24, 2013, 12:16:10 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 24, 2013, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: d.boy junior(sid) on January 24, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Anyone take back Luke young? Experienced defender and can teach lowton/ bennett a few lessons. Would any-one take Downing back, or Quaresma as a free agent, decent names and could add some creativity that we are lacking. Tuesday Night just went to show how much we are crying out for a winger and how much we need to sell Bannan and get some height into the team.

Lambert doesn't play with width so we won't be buying any wingers. He prefers the 'getting donkeys to try and thread a ball through the eye of a needle' tactic of playing constantly through the middle or his tried and tested 4-0-6 hail mary.

Well then He really needs to take a wake up call. The game against Bradford was screaming for width, even some of the players were getting frustrated at it. He really was ridiculous to watch 4 strikers struggle in the middle against 6 defenders. If we don't get wingers then we really are going to be screwed royally under Lambert. Bannan can't be the man to pick the passes as he gets it wrong to many times, so if thats the case then we need a new experienced creative midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 24, 2013, 12:19:38 PM: Some business done by clubs but not a lot, Yes we needed them in Jan 1st not 31st, but I do think come the 31st there will be probably 2 in full time and at least one more maybe 2 on loan, if not we are off to hell in a handcart.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM: As has been said far more articulately by others, unless we spend in the transfer window and get a couple of established/experienced players in, we are probably going to be relegated by the time May comes round. Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now. The events of mainly the Christmas period up to now have shattered my faith in the club's future prospects. I'm genuinely concerned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 12:24:41 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
As has been said far more articulately by others, unless we spend in the transfer window and get a couple of established/experienced players in, we are probably going to be relegated by the time May comes round. Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now. The events of mainly the Christmas period up to now have shattered my faith in the club's future prospects. I'm genuinely concerned.

As am I, the ownership is completely negligent now. There's no other word for it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 12:29:47 PM: We will be down before may Legion. Watching a slow car crash in motion, screaming turn the wheel while the driver sticks 2 fingers up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM: Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2013, 12:33:43 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: damon green on January 24, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
Even if this turns out to be an elaborate bluff, I will find it hard to forgive them for making me feel this hopeless.

I'd have thought that you felt hopeless quite a lot of the time Damon! ;)

You're pretty perky about all this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2013, 12:34:23 PM: So there it finally is, the truth of it all.

They think we are going down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 24, 2013, 12:37:51 PM: It's not exactly the height of positivity is it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM: Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Villa are on a woeful run of form under manager Paul Lambert and sit 17th in the Premier League.

They suffered an ignominious exit from the League Cup on Tuesday, ousted by League Two club Bradford City.

Lambert has been working under a reduced budget at Villa Park and has blooded a host of youngsters since taking over. In addition, the Villa boss has signed a number of prospects from lower divisions and Hendrick fits that profile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 12:41:10 PM: Which is more chaotic, behind the scenes or on the pitch?

It's not getting heavily beaten that is concerning, it is looking like getting heavily beaten in a lot of matches. I really don't think I've seen a premier league team picked apart so badly.
That includes the terrible Derby County team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 24, 2013, 12:42:54 PM: Mate at work knows Culverhouse's sister who lives round Potters Bar. She told him in December that Lambert had initially been told there would be finances available, but then was told otherwise. I didnt believe him, thinking he was taking the p, but seems more and more likely with each passing day :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 12:43:43 PM: Can't be right, no club in their right mind would resign themselves to be relegated. Not even one run by a complete fucking imbecile would even give a sniff to their fans of anything but hope that we'll stay up & show some fight! No, I refuse to accept that this is the case, there ABSOLUTELY MUST be things going on in the background to ensure our safety.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 12:45:03 PM: From the bbc site

Leeds United have entered the bidding to sign Stephen Warnock, 31, report the Yorkshire Evening Post.

They have approached Aston Villa about a loan deal for the out-of-favour left-back.

The paper says that both Leeds and Wolverhampton Wanderers have expressed a firm interest in Warnock, who spent the first half of this season on loan at Bolton Wanderers

Well thats a lot of good isn't it. Why loan him if non-one's coming in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 12:47:37 PM: Who do we want first then next season... Wolves home??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 24, 2013, 12:54:31 PM: I still think it will go to the wire regarding whether we go down. Provided we can keep certain players fit of course.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:59:58 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 24, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
Mate at work knows Culverhouse's sister who lives round Potters Bar. She told him in December that Lambert had initially been told there would be finances available, but then was told otherwise. I didnt believe him, thinking he was taking the p, but seems more and more likely with each passing day :(
I think she could well be correct. I remember PL saying a while ago that he has targets lined up and will be bringing people in during January. Now he isn't sure we will make even one signing! Clearly something has gone wrong. As I have said before, I think the club may have expected the likes of Bent and Warnock to have gone by now. That could maybe have something to do with it. Sell to buy policy?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 24, 2013, 01:01:06 PM: I think it is almost certain that Bent being sold was where the money was coming from
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:07:49 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
As has been said far more articulately by others, unless we spend in the transfer window and get a couple of established/experienced players in, we are probably going to be relegated by the time May comes round. Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now. The events of mainly the Christmas period up to now have shattered my faith in the club's future prospects. I'm genuinely concerned.

Word for word how I'm feeling, pretty much. I'd go as far to say that, as things stand, we are relegation favourites. Reading seem to have found something, they've pulled two wins from losing positions, QPR have started to look more solid and clearly have money to strengthen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2013, 01:07:59 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 24, 2013, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: damon green on January 24, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
Even if this turns out to be an elaborate bluff, I will find it hard to forgive them for making me feel this hopeless.

I'd have thought that you felt hopeless quite a lot of the time Damon! ;)

You're pretty perky about all this.

I've got so down about it I've come out the other side. I have a manic look on my face that suggests that sharp implements should be locked away.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 24, 2013, 01:08:05 PM: The Hendrick Derby link is interesting.
He's getting on a bit, but he can really swing the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM: Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 01:13:01 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Or he has so little faith in Lambert to keep us up that he doesn't think we'd survive even with new players but can't afford to fire him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 01:14:45 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

How does it make sense? if we go down he'll lose far far more than the 10m or so we need for players. I realise its a risk to buy players in January but its a risk every other club in our position is taking because they know what's at stake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 01:20:35 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
Who do we want first then next season... Wolves home??
At least we will be able to cheer one manager if it is them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2013, 01:24:44 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
As has been said far more articulately by others, unless we spend in the transfer window and get a couple of established/experienced players in, we are probably going to be relegated by the time May comes round. Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now. The events of mainly the Christmas period up to now have shattered my faith in the club's future prospects. I'm genuinely concerned.

you've put that really well. I come on this place every day and each day that goes by I wonder to myself "How the fuck has this happened, or been allowed to happen?" It's gotten to a point where the club simply have stopped wanting to compete, or even give the impression that it has a plan to get back on even keel. That the only plan is wait it out, hope that somebody signs the players that we don't have a place for and then maybe we'll do something again. For a club in one of the most lucrative leagues in the world not to want to invest when everyone else is at least making an effort is scandalous. I understand fully the need to have plan that is sustainable and within means, but to stop operating as a business in what is a ruthless environment is simply suicide.

I'm more convinced than ever that the club is now in contingency mode and is fully prepping itself for relegation. That they will no longer invest, no longer support the manager because they cannot trust him or anyone else that it is the right thing to do. The owner is also stuck because of generosity to previous managers. Money that'll never see again, so he can't readily sell and get much if anything back. The writing is clearly on the wall, and unless somethign drastically changes in the next few days, the next 18 months will very much be about selling off the higher value assets for as much as possible so that all running costs are at the bare minimum. It's thoroughly depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2013, 01:25:02 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
Who do we want first then next season... Wolves home??
At least we will be able to cheer one manager if it is them.

Tranmere away please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 24, 2013, 01:27:48 PM: Quote from: d.boy junior(sid) on January 24, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Anyone take back Luke young? Experienced defender and can teach lowton/ bennett a few lessons. Would any-one take Downing back, or Quaresma as a free agent, decent names and could add some creativity that we are lacking. Tuesday Night just went to show how much we are crying out for a winger and how much we need to sell Bannan and get some height into the team.

Luke Young yes, Downing no and we couldn't afford his wages which he isn't worth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:32:09 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Maybe he looks at Newcastle and thinks, 'well, that worked out alright for them,' and is banking on us doing exactly the same.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 24, 2013, 01:36:08 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Maybe he looks at Newcastle and thinks, 'well, that worked out alright for them,' and is banking on us doing exactly the same.

Is that the same Newcastle who are only one point less in the shit than Villa ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:36:58 PM: It is, yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2013, 01:37:39 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
From the bbc site

Leeds United have entered the bidding to sign Stephen Warnock, 31, report the Yorkshire Evening Post.

They have approached Aston Villa about a loan deal for the out-of-favour left-back.

The paper says that both Leeds and Wolverhampton Wanderers have expressed a firm interest in Warnock, who spent the first half of this season on loan at Bolton Wanderers

Well thats a lot of good isn't it. Why loan him if non-one's coming in?

The club has consistently let players go over the last few yeards and left themselves short of squad cover. Warnock's treatment is a disgrace. LERNER - JUST SELL UP FAST!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 24, 2013, 01:37:46 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

How does it make sense? if we go down he'll lose far far more than the 10m or so we need for players. I realise its a risk to buy players in January but its a risk every other club in our position is taking because they know what's at stake.

maybe he's already thinking he's lost a fair chunk of whatever was put in, and he will only kiss goodbye to anything he may add on top of that.

It wouldn't be my take on things, but it's the only reason I can think why he is doing what he is doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 01:39:29 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 24, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Maybe he looks at Newcastle and thinks, 'well, that worked out alright for them,' and is banking on us doing exactly the same.

Is that the same Newcastle who are only one point less in the shit than Villa ?

But also the one who has spent 14 mil on new players who are all highly rated.Least they giving it a go
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villainjock on January 24, 2013, 01:43:05 PM: Does this mean the free acorns sponsorship is a contribution to our downfall.lerner is putting his nice principles ahead of the corrupt world of football.not aggressive enough to compete in the football world.after all he hasn't actually made money himself, he's been given it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 24, 2013, 01:47:51 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1

Thing is, why resign yourselves to relegation? We're not even in the relegation zone. It's not like we're cut adrift with 5 games to go. We're actually 17th with half the season left.

It makes no sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 24, 2013, 01:50:17 PM: Wasn't it similar during the Houllier window, it looked like nothing was happening and there was similar lack of info, theories that Lerner had pulled the plug, and then the signings of Bent, Makoun and Walker kind of came a bit out of the blue. That said, we've barely been linked at all with anyone so any possible signings are either the best kept secret in football or not going to happen.

The argument of not saddling us with financial problems if we get relegated doesn't really wash - loan signings won't have to be financed should the worst happen. The Walker and Keane loans worked out pretty well for us in previous Januaries. It's makes little sense that Lambert has apparently ruled them out.

The big problem is we have no idea what Lerner is doing. Or even if he is doing anything, or intends to do anything. If he doesn't give a shit any more then I just wish he'd tell us straight so we can just put any hope to one side and accept we are butt-fucked until he decides to sell or invest again, and we can get our pound signs out again. It's the hope that kills ya.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2013, 01:50:28 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.

Agree, the club is slowly inching its way towards the trap-door. I was thinking, when was the last bit of positive news to come out of the club? The only highlight for me this season was the week in December when we stuffed Norwich 4-1 and Liverpool 3-1 in the space of 5 days. How things look now....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 24, 2013, 01:51:25 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 24, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 24, 2013, 01:32:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Maybe he looks at Newcastle and thinks, 'well, that worked out alright for them,' and is banking on us doing exactly the same.

Is that the same Newcastle who are only one point less in the shit than Villa ?

But also the one who has spent 14 mil on new players who are all highly rated.Least they giving it a go

Also, I'm not sure Newcastle actually resigned themselves to going down. They just did.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 01:52:53 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.

After Wolves at home under Houllier I was convinced we were gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 24, 2013, 01:56:04 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

How does it make sense? if we go down he'll lose far far more than the 10m or so we need for players. I realise its a risk to buy players in January but its a risk every other club in our position is taking because they know what's at stake.

maybe he's already thinking he's lost a fair chunk of whatever was put in, and he will only kiss goodbye to anything he may add on top of that.

It wouldn't be my take on things, but it's the only reason I can think why he is doing what he is doing.

I've been saying this for a long time. I think Lerner has done the sums and thinks relegation will cost a lot but be will have to spend a lot more to stay up. Ironically, QPR and Newcastle spending so much might even have the effect of entrenching that attitude, they've upped the stakes and after f@ck all from over £200 million investment he's thrown his hand in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:58:06 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.

After Wolves at home under Houllier I was convinced we were gone.
I don't think that at any point in those two seasons we logically looked as though we would go down because of the other teams around us (regardless of how badly we did) and the odds for us to go down always backed that up.

This is the first year that we don't have the 'other shit teams' buffer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 02:02:25 PM: Last 2 season there was some very poor teams in league this season no so much.Also the likes of QPR and Soton can buy way out of trouble Wolves and Blackburn couldn't for instance

Also would say now we have said no players coming in ,no wonder Henke quit no point having a scout if not going to buy anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 24, 2013, 02:03:20 PM: The Newcastle comparison wasn't that they were resigned to relegation. More that, having spent years spending big on players and wages, the brakes were put on, the owners clearly couldn't care less what the fans thought, made a series of unpopular decisions, the club were relegated, which really then allowed them to cut the squad right down - nothing like dropping out of the PL to motivate the lazy arses in the comfort zone to find a new club - rebuild, gain promotion and then re-enter the Premier League a tighter and more efficient unit. Things haven't gone to plan for them this season but they do appear to run more prudently, and obviously have budget available for players when required. Their transfer investment is now very modest and sensible, rather than it had been previously.

Not endorsing it, just guessing and wondering whether RL, PF et al have it as example of how relegation can't work out for the better. Then again, as has been said earlier, it's nigh on impossible to know what Randy is thinking because we never hear from him, in any capacity, and the last three seasons have been so turbulent it's difficult to identity a coherent plan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 24, 2013, 02:08:38 PM: Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Rose on January 24, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
Maybe Lerner no longer sees Villa as an investment that needs to be protected, more a gambling table where he has lost heavily and can only lose more if he keeps putting money down.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

How does it make sense? if we go down he'll lose far far more than the 10m or so we need for players. I realise its a risk to buy players in January but its a risk every other club in our position is taking because they know what's at stake.

maybe he's already thinking he's lost a fair chunk of whatever was put in, and he will only kiss goodbye to anything he may add on top of that.

It wouldn't be my take on things, but it's the only reason I can think why he is doing what he is doing.

I've been saying this for a long time. I think Lerner has done the sums and thinks relegation will cost a lot but be will have to spend a lot more to stay up. Ironically, QPR and Newcastle spending so much might even have the effect of entrenching that attitude, they've upped the stakes and after f@ck all from over £200 million investment he's thrown his hand in.

Surely if he isn't prepared to spend any more to cut his losses he is wanting to sell the club but wouldn't a 'going concern' in the Premier League be a better selling proposition?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 02:14:40 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.

Don't know Dave. I left Villa Park after the Bolton game towards the end of last season thinking we'd had it. It crept up on us last season though and it was only in the last couple of months where we were in real danger. This season has been a struggle from the off (though there have been the occasional bright moments) and there's just a sense of inevitability about it all. In boxing terms, we got into trouble in the later rounds last season, but this season has been like one of those fights where someone takes a beating straight from the bell, but just hangs on in there enough so it isn't stopped. Those are always the worst ones to watch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 24, 2013, 02:20:27 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 24, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
The Newcastle comparison wasn't that they were resigned to relegation. More that, having spent years spending big on players and wages, the brakes were put on, the owners clearly couldn't care less what the fans thought, made a series of unpopular decisions, the club were relegated, which really then allowed them to cut the squad right down - nothing like dropping out of the PL to motivate the lazy arses in the comfort zone to find a new club - rebuild, gain promotion and then re-enter the Premier League a tighter and more efficient unit. Things haven't gone to plan for them this season but they do appear to run more prudently, and obviously have budget available for players when required. Their transfer investment is now very modest and sensible, rather than it had been previously.

Not endorsing it, just guessing and wondering whether RL, PF et al have it as example of how relegation can't work out for the better. Then again, as has been said earlier, it's nigh on impossible to know what Randy is thinking because we never hear from him, in any capacity, and the last three seasons have been so turbulent it's difficult to identity a coherent plan.

Like you not endorsing it the difference is aside from the Big Name forwards Bent(&eke) none of other players would be perceived as worth buying. And we'd probably get 15m for th pair at best.

No-one will buy Given, Dunne/Warnock (though they would be gone I think), Hutton, Ireland, Gabby or CNZ(?). We wouldn't be able to give some of those away because 1) They are on too much money 2) I'm assuming people would have seen them play recently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 24, 2013, 02:22:54 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 02:14:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Not once under Houllier or McLeish did I ever feel this way, but I do now.
I agree. The last two seasons I was completely convinced that we would ultimately be fine (when we were being told that it would be a certainty we would go down then), but this year is looking to be the one that does it.

Don't know Dave. I left Villa Park after the Bolton game towards the end of last season thinking we'd had it. It crept up on us last season though and it was only in the last couple of months where we were in real danger. This season has been a struggle from the off (though there have been the occasional bright moments) and there's just a sense of inevitability about it all. In boxing terms, we got into trouble in the later rounds last season, but this season has been like one of those fights where someone takes a beating straight from the bell, but just hangs on in there enough so it isn't stopped. Those are always the worst ones to watch.

Unless the person being beaten up is Chris Eubank.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 02:34:27 PM: I don't think many of us actually even thought we may go down last season until the Bolton game. During the Houllier season, most doubts went after we won that must-win Newcastle game. This season, I personally knew we would be in a dogfight all season after the Everton game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 02:37:54 PM: Based on the fact that this thread is for transfers, shouldn't it be locked indefinately?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 24, 2013, 02:41:07 PM: That's a very good point. 409 pages on a non-existent topic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 24, 2013, 02:57:54 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
Based on the fact that this thread is for transfers, shouldn't it be locked indefinately?

Absolutely. We're wasting our time here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 24, 2013, 03:00:38 PM: You could always stop posting non transfer stuff in it I suppose and leave it open just in case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 03:05:27 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
I don't think many of us actually even thought we may go down last season until the Bolton game. During the Houllier season, most doubts went after we won that must-win Newcastle game. This season, I personally knew we would be in a dogfight all season after the Everton game.

The pre-season game at Forest game was the one that set the alarm bells ringing for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 03:17:47 PM: Ivan Gaskell @IvanGaskell1

#avfc Apologies for earlier PL quote responding to q's regarding other clubs spending and Villa not. PL was talking about other clubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 03:19:43 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
Ivan Gaskell @IvanGaskell1

#avfc Apologies for earlier PL quote responding to q's regarding other clubs spending and Villa not. PL was talking about other clubs.

That is such a poor written tweet, it's virtually unreadable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 03:22:30 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
Ivan Gaskell @IvanGaskell1

#avfc Apologies for earlier PL quote responding to q's regarding other clubs spending and Villa not. PL was talking about other clubs.

That is such a poor written tweet, it's virtually unreadable.

I think Gaskell was trying to create a story earlier but didn't like the heat he got on twitter from Villa fans now he's backtracked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 03:25:08 PM: Ivan Gaskell ‏@IvanGaskell1

#avfc PL said it was perogative of other clubs to spend money,but that might lead to financial probs if THEY(others) were relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 03:28:06 PM: Right but those clubs are trying to avoid being relegated unlike us. If we go down we're still fucked regardless of whether we spend money now or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 03:28:40 PM: At last -

Villa bid 2 million for Swansea ball boy after seeing him keep possession of the ball for more than 10 seconds !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 03:31:38 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 24, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
Based on the fact that this thread is for transfers, shouldn't it be locked indefinately?
Get in there!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 03:34:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
At last -

Villa bid 2 million for Swansea ball boy after seeing him keep possession of the ball for more than 10 seconds !

Keep up Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 03:34:22 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.

He's got you skewered there Greg, and no mistake. MoN as a no-man par excellence, being endorsed by his most vociferous and determined detractor.

Yes, H&V's voice of reason on the horns of a dilemma.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 03:40:13 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 24, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
I'd be surprised if no-one at all came in as well.

I think its too late now anyway , the damage has been done .
I think the southampton defeat will cost us dear come may.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2013, 03:45:17 PM: Even Newcastle are buying, they'll come to Villa tuesday with a bit more confidence im sure of it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 03:48:31 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2013, 03:45:17 PM
Even Newcastle are buying, they'll come to Villa tuesday with a bit more confidence im sure of it

Everyone else at the bottom is. It's only us that seem to actually be encouraging relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 24, 2013, 03:55:45 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 11:57:33 AM
It seems that Randy and Lambert had an agreement that he'd have some money to spend in the summer but that would basically be it for the season. Lambert agreed, thinking that it would be enough to keep the team up and he could start to build something. But now we are in the shit.

Lambert wasn't thinking about just keeping us up pre-season. Not in public at least.

We were all aiming for solid midtable, minimum. Remember this is the squad McLeish had but with an additional £25m of investment. McLeish had us 16th, 9 points off midtable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 03:56:44 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.

He's got you skewered there Greg, and no mistake. MoN as a no-man par excellence, being endorsed by his most vociferous and determined detractor.

Yes, H&V's voice of reason on the horns of a dilemma.

Not even vaguely simlar situations. MON left just before the season, had a squad containing quality players, had spent a bloody fortune already, and WAS given the money for Ireland. With Lambert we've got a guy who presumably bought into the whole kids plan and now its going pear-shaped he's refusing to change tact. If you haven't got the tools to do the job then you're just wasting your time just doing a crap job albeit a very well paid crap job. A manager with any pride would either try and get lerner to change his mind or walk.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 24, 2013, 03:57:52 PM: I like Randy and if he doesn't want to invest anymore then I don't blame him. He's undoubtedly made a tonne of errors, but it could be worse.

It does seem odd he's seemingly given up at the minute though - although I suppose there's been too many transfer windows where he's been talked into giving a manager big money, only to have to replace him in the Summer and then do it all again. There has to be a breaking point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 03:59:18 PM: Ive had enough of this! Lets sack Lambert put The Doc back in charge until the end of the season. Hes only 84 for Gods sake.

Sky will give us a fortune for access to The Docs quotes. Arry will panic at the competition and piss off to Monaco.

Doug will take over as Chairman (on loan) and sack Doc just after we are safe.

And then we can go again next season.

and before you start typing Doc took us down last time...you learn by your mistakes!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 04:00:03 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 24, 2013, 03:57:52 PM
I like Randy and if he doesn't want to invest anymore then I don't blame him. He's undoubtedly made a tonne of errors, but it could be worse.

It does seem odd he's seemingly given up at the minute though - although I suppose there's been too many transfer windows where he's been talked into giving a manager big money, only to have to replace him in the Summer and then do it all again. There has to be a breaking point.

The breaking point is the collapse of Aston Villa, as the owner of our club he can't just give up because things haven't gone well in the past. The reason those managers have been sacked or left is because of his poor decision making. He is responsible for nearly all of the problems facing this club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:00:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 24, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
I'd be surprised if no-one at all came in as well.

I think its too late now anyway , the damage has been done .
I think the southampton defeat will cost us dear come may.

You just can't have this state of mind when there are still 15 games and 45 points up for grabs, chances are winning just 15-17 of those points will probably be enough to stay up. We must remain of a positive attitude that we can stave off relegation, I truly believe that if we get Dunne and Vlaar together in the centre for our last 12-14 games we should just about do it. Please stay with the team it can be done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM: France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 04:08:34 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.

He's got you skewered there Greg, and no mistake. MoN as a no-man par excellence, being endorsed by his most vociferous and determined detractor.

Yes, H&V's voice of reason on the horns of a dilemma.

Not even vaguely simlar situations. MON left just before the season, had a squad containing quality players, had spent a bloody fortune already, and WAS given the money for Ireland. With Lambert we've got a guy who presumably bought into the whole kids plan and now its going pear-shaped he's refusing to change tact. If you haven't got the tools to do the job then you're just wasting your time just doing a crap job albeit a very well paid crap job. A manager with any pride would either try and get lerner to change his mind or walk.

Yes. But he said no. Stood up with his big balls.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2013, 04:08:42 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

There's not much you can do if a player doesn't want to join us. I see he's quoted as stating that the number of French players at Newcastle will help him settle. Any potential signing watching our games over recent months must hope he can find some where better to play than Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:10:38 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.

He's got you skewered there Greg, and no mistake. MoN as a no-man par excellence, being endorsed by his most vociferous and determined detractor.

Yes, H&V's voice of reason on the horns of a dilemma.

Not even vaguely simlar situations. MON left just before the season, had a squad containing quality players, had spent a bloody fortune already, and WAS given the money for Ireland. With Lambert we've got a guy who presumably bought into the whole kids plan and now its going pear-shaped he's refusing to change tact. If you haven't got the tools to do the job then you're just wasting your time just doing a crap job albeit a very well paid crap job. A manager with any pride would either try and get lerner to change his mind or walk.

And sometimes you just have to hold or use the tools slightly differently to change the outcome. You can call PL all you like but unlike MON he is no quitter. He believes in his ability and in his players, something MON clearly did not when he walked out 5 days before the start of 10/11 season. I am sure PL has more that made his opinions known to RL about what he would like to do with the squad both in this window and those in the future. If RL is not agreeing to PL requests then of course he has a dilemma but running away is not in his make up and is certainly nothing to be proud of or in anyway a demonstration of one's pride in a job!! Get real man and grow some cojones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:15:22 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

Sissoko is making very strong noises about wanting to go to Newcastle though, referencing their strong French cohort as reason and saying this will help him to settle into the club. I agree that we should at least be bidding for a player of his quality when the price is so low but how do you or I know that we haven't? We just don't know do we.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 24, 2013, 04:16:03 PM: Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 24, 2013, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

There's not much you can do if a player doesn't want to join us. I see he's quoted as stating that the number of French players at Newcastle will help him settle. Any potential signing watching our games over recent months must hope he can find some where better to play than Villa.

Yes, you're probably right. I suppose it's just galling to see that one of our main rivals have, just ahead of our crucial game against them, got themselves into a position where Tuesday night's midfield battle will be Cabaye and Sissoko against Westwood and Delph. It's just galling to know we have almost no chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 04:16:47 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
I don't think many of us actually even thought we may go down last season until the Bolton game. During the Houllier season, most doubts went after we won that must-win Newcastle game. This season, I personally knew we would be in a dogfight all season after the Everton game.

The pre-season game at Forest game was the one that set the alarm bells ringing for me.
I did have a gut-feeling even before the season started that we may struggle but the Everton game confirmed it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2013, 04:16:47 PM: Admirable post but can I suggest talking to some livingstone fans before you decide on his character. I don't think it will happen as I think he's probably grown up a lot since then but I think there is previous to suggest that he may throw the toys out of the pram.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 04:26:17 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
Sissoko is making very strong noises about wanting to go to Newcastle though, referencing their strong French cohort as reason and saying this will help him to settle into the club. I agree that we should at least be bidding for a player of his quality when the price is so low but how do you or I know that we haven't? We just don't know do we.
It is very rare that you can get to the stage where you bid for a player and keep it quiet. The fact that even the journos that seem to be 'ITK' have said all window we are not close to bringing anyone in suggests we haven't bid for anyone yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 24, 2013, 04:34:34 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

Sissoko is making very strong noises about wanting to go to Newcastle though, referencing their strong French cohort as reason and saying this will help him to settle into the club. I agree that we should at least be bidding for a player of his quality when the price is so low but how do you or I know that we haven't? We just don't know do we.

Exactly,
For all we know we may have approached loads of players/ agents, but just been turned down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:35:29 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
Sissoko is making very strong noises about wanting to go to Newcastle though, referencing their strong French cohort as reason and saying this will help him to settle into the club. I agree that we should at least be bidding for a player of his quality when the price is so low but how do you or I know that we haven't? We just don't know do we.
It is very rare that you can get to the stage where you bid for a player and keep it quiet. The fact that even the journos that seem to be 'ITK' have said all window we are not close to bringing anyone in suggests we haven't bid for anyone yet.

Fair comment mate!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 24, 2013, 04:47:02 PM: I would think that Nzobia and Benteke both speaking French should help him settle in here too !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 04:47:12 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 24, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 24, 2013, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Seems we've got another "yes-man" as manager. If Lambert's happy to go with the current players on the strength his job is safe, he should look at what happened to the last guy in the hot-seat and he managed to keep us up! He should ask for money and if not forthcoming, walk away with a bit of his reputation intact, because if he takes us down he won't be getting offered the Forest job next or anything like it. Sadly i don't think he's got the bollocks to stand up to our owner.

What you mean like MON? Apparently he asked Lerner for more money, didn't get it, walked away then took the club to the cleaners via a tribunal under the guise that he was forced to leave because his job had become untenable. Bloody brilliant this European employment law nonsense. No Greg N'Ash he should not walk, he should get his head down and get on with the job he is paid to do which is coach the players and manage the day to day playing side. If he does that and it proves that over a 38 game season we are not good enough to remain in the division then so be it. Running away when the going gets tough, rather than proving your managerial ability to ride a crisis and come through it stronger is not the thing to do, only weak lily livered folk like MON do that and PL is not cut from the same cloth i'm sure of that.

He's got you skewered there Greg, and no mistake. MoN as a no-man par excellence, being endorsed by his most vociferous and determined detractor.

Yes, H&V's voice of reason on the horns of a dilemma.

Not even vaguely simlar situations. MON left just before the season, had a squad containing quality players, had spent a bloody fortune already, and WAS given the money for Ireland. With Lambert we've got a guy who presumably bought into the whole kids plan and now its going pear-shaped he's refusing to change tact. If you haven't got the tools to do the job then you're just wasting your time just doing a crap job albeit a very well paid crap job. A manager with any pride would either try and get lerner to change his mind or walk.

And sometimes you just have to hold or use the tools slightly differently to change the outcome. You can call PL all you like but unlike MON he is no quitter. He believes in his ability and in his players, something MON clearly did not when he walked out 5 days before the start of 10/11 season. I am sure PL has more that made his opinions known to RL about what he would like to do with the squad both in this window and those in the future. If RL is not agreeing to PL requests then of course he has a dilemma but running away is not in his make up and is certainly nothing to be proud of or in anyway a demonstration of one's pride in a job!! Get real man and grow some cojones.

How can you have pride in a job if you're doing it badly? He's here for the money like TSM before him or he'd be putting Lerner on the spot and at least questioning publicy why Lerner won't invest given what's at stake. Instead all we get is "me and the chairman, best pals, lovely bloke blah, blah blah". We'll go down if we don't get players - pure and simple. If Lambert knows that and he'd have to be a halfwitt not to, then you tell me why he's sticking at a job that's doomed to failure? Not pride thats for sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 04:48:44 PM: @petecolley: PL has said because of high wages and asking price it's unlikely any players will be added during the transfer window!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
"We will go again and stick together.

That is really winding me up , ffs .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 04:51:29 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
@petecolley: PL has said because of high wages and asking price it's unlikely any players will be added during the transfer window!

Maybe trying to publicly coax teams and players/agents to lower prices and wages down. I can't imagine couple championship players (like Dale Stephens) asking for high wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 04:53:33 PM: It's a false economy saving money now on 'high wages and asking price', because it'll cost us a lot more in the long run. But it would be pointless trying to explain that to the idiots in charge of this club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 04:54:01 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
"We will go again and stick together.

That is really winding me up , ffs .

yep. Another example of the club just throwing him to the wolves. Surely someone at the club should have had a word and told him to stop using it everytime a mike is stuck in front of him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:55:23 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1

that is joke . If we go down we will be in financial trouble so spend some bloody money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 24, 2013, 04:57:30 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
"We will go again and stick together.

That is really winding me up , ffs .

yep. Another example of the club just throwing him to the wolves. Surely someone at the club should have had a word and told him to stop using it everytime a mike is stuck in front of him?
I think that has come from a powerpoint meeting,The club know we are not buying the ''Proud history Bright future'' so this is the new tag line.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 05:00:50 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
"We will go again and stick together.

That is really winding me up , ffs .
The "We'll be fine" or 'The players are really fine" lines are the ones that really piss me off. It is clear the players are not 'fine' or they wouldn't perform to the same abject standard week after week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 24, 2013, 05:01:25 PM: To be fair the January window is the mercenaries (players and agents) Xmas as they can name their price and won't accept a relegation clause. If that is the case I would rather not sign them personally as you will be saddled with a huge heap of shite just like the Pompeys of this world (and indeed Bloos with Zigic). The real issue is that we did not strengthen enough before the season started - a gamble that may well have failed.

We are feeling a bit raw understandably after recent events but we have to stick by the manager and team for better or worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2013, 05:04:21 PM: Im sure I read that lambert didnt spend all the availiable money in August, Were not even trying, Lose to newcastle i can see the knives coming out
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 05:07:31 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1

that is joke . If we go down we will be in financial trouble so spend some bloody money.

Gaskell has made a U-Turn saying it was about other clubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 24, 2013, 05:08:18 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 24, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Im sure I read that lambert didnt spend all the availiable money in August

Correct.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 05:09:01 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

that is sad news. gutted
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 05:13:44 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1

that is joke . If we go down we will be in financial trouble so spend some bloody money.

Gaskell has made a U-Turn saying it was about other clubs.

so no one really knows whats going on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 24, 2013, 05:20:29 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

that is sad news. gutted

Fiddling while Witton burns.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 24, 2013, 05:22:57 PM: Think we need a very big protest on Friday match. As Tuesday night will only leave us less than 48 hours to spend the money. I wish there is a super rich man saying to Randy Lerner, I want to buy the club but you only have 48 hours to accept or I will withdraw the offer and buy Everton or whatever.

I think Paul Lambert need to step on the pitch and talk to the fans like Big Ron before we sign Dean Saunders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 24, 2013, 05:24:18 PM: Breaking on SSN that Sissoko going to the Barcodes , I am now in a dream sequence when we nick him like 'arry did with the other done deal ..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 24, 2013, 05:24:44 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 24, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Ivan Gaskell on Twitter saying that PL has said he is not optimistic about new signings and doesn't want to put the club in financial trouble if we go down. Lerner has clearly already given up and is resigned to relegation. Lack of fight on and off the pitch is pathetic. www.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1

that is joke . If we go down we will be in financial trouble so spend some bloody money.

Gaskell has made a U-Turn saying it was about other clubs.

so no one really knows whats going on

Its not a u-turn. Lambert was asked about other clubs spending. He said that it was for them to decide whether to spend and put themselves at risk if they got relegated but he wouldnt do that at Villa. In other words, I wont spend in case we get relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 05:33:43 PM: Good stuff so one of our direct rivals is getting the exact player we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2013, 05:34:30 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 24, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
France football saying Sissoko will be going to Newcastle for €2.5-3m and Sissoko's waiving a signing-on fee from Newcastle in order to do it. This is a club one point and one place above us, who we play next in a crucial game in under a week, signing the exact player we need for astonishingly minimal money.

I think I actually hate the people in charge at the club right now. They can fuck off down a very deep hole.

Honestly I have no idea why but it seems the club want us to fail. Seriously. At the beginning of the window the club and Lambert were bullishly making noises about new signings. Now nothing.

It is just a disgrace.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 24, 2013, 05:37:57 PM: Just came to me who Lambert reminds me of - Tony Hancock! Change the training top for an overcoat and put a homburg on his head and he's the lad!
"Oh blimey Sid, is it worth getting up"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 05:45:50 PM: Quote from: Mark H on January 24, 2013, 05:24:18 PM
Breaking on SSN that Sissoko going to the Barcodes , I am now in a dream sequence when we nick him like 'arry did with the other done deal ..

Good for them.

Not sitting around pretending everything is rosy, like our glorious leaders are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on January 24, 2013, 05:48:28 PM: Can we close this site down till June and look at of the duvet then and see where we are then as this is like a 3 year lingering death

Some one turn the life support off
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 05:49:34 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: Mark H on January 24, 2013, 05:24:18 PM
Breaking on SSN that Sissoko going to the Barcodes , I am now in a dream sequence when we nick him like 'arry did with the other done deal ..

Good for them.

Not sitting around pretending everything is rosy, like our glorious leaders are.

Indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 24, 2013, 05:49:41 PM: whats the matter with you guys,
vurtually every journo who speaks or has contact with the club is saying we wont be signing any new players,
so just accept it

every post says 'i cant believe it' why youve been told often enough,

we aint spending this time round, its plain enough, every new qoute which tells us we arnt in the market is greeted with 'its a joke' yeah you posted that 3 weeks ago and every day since
lets spell it out so there cant be any confusion

we are not going to buy any players in jan window
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 05:51:48 PM: Quote from: john e on January 24, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
whats the matter with you guys,
vurtually every journo who speaks or has contact with the club is saying we wont be signing any new players,
so just accept it

every post says 'i cant believe it' why youve been told often enough,

we aint spending this time round, its plain enough, every new qoute which tells us we arnt in the market is greeted with 'its a joke' yeah you posted that 3 weeks ago and every day since
lets spell it out so there cant be any confusion

we are not going to buy any players in jan window

Right and I think everyone is saying that is an absolutely disastrous decision.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 24, 2013, 05:56:53 PM: At least with it quite clear that we won't be signing anyone, we can accept relegation now and thus not be as disappointed in May.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 24, 2013, 05:57:20 PM: Quote from: john e on January 24, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
we are not going to buy any players in jan window

Is the correct answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 05:57:54 PM: I'm not accepting relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 06:00:12 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 05:57:54 PM
I'm not accepting relegation.

I will when it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2013, 06:01:08 PM: Quote from: richardhubbard on January 24, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Can we close this site down till June and look at of the duvet then and see where we are then as this is like a 3 year lingering death

Some one turn the life support off

Nice one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 06:03:04 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 24, 2013, 05:57:20 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
we are not going to buy any players in jan window

Is the correct answer.

I disagree, we will be getting the next Ronaldinho, from somewhere like Scunthorpe United
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 24, 2013, 06:18:22 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

Couldn't be any worse than our current crop of players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 06:18:53 PM: Who is going to be the first to say that all will be well as we will be buying in the summer?
Fuck off now before you even start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 06:20:12 PM: Do we
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

What a disrespectful little bellend. He hasn't even got a fucking cap yet, and thinks he's too big for his club. Sounds like just the sort of chap we should be avoiding.

Edit: Well, I should probably think before I have a rant. Oops.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

If you try to repeat that joke,ever, Ill set Eden Hazard on you.....or Eden Kane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2013, 06:22:19 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 06:20:12 PM
Do we
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

What a disrespectful little bellend. He hasn't even got a fucking cap yet, and thinks he's too big for his club. Sounds like just the sort of chap we should be avoiding.

Lol
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:25:10 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 06:20:12 PM
Do we
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

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IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

What a disrespectful little bellend. He hasn't even got a fucking cap yet, and thinks he's too big for his club. Sounds like just the sort of chap we should be avoiding.
Er thats a joke..Get your Dad to explain
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 06:25:38 PM: Well, that's embarrassing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 24, 2013, 06:26:50 PM: i think we will be OK as i'm sure Randy will open his wallet in the Summer ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 24, 2013, 06:33:15 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

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IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

If you try to repeat that joke,ever, Ill set Eden Hazard on you.....or Eden Kane.

Well I ask you....

Eden Kane...source of one of the best pop quiz questions ever.

Which 3 British brothers had separate number 1 singles?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:36:43 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 24, 2013, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

If you try to repeat that joke,ever, Ill set Eden Hazard on you.....or Eden Kane.

Well I ask you....

Eden Kane...source of one of the best pop quiz questions ever.

Which 3 British brothers had separate number 1 singles?

Peter Sarstead Robin Sarstead and Richard Sarstead
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 06:37:42 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

The deal was agreed, but now there's too much confusion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 06:38:37 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 24, 2013, 06:20:12 PM
Do we
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

What a disrespectful little bellend. He hasn't even got a fucking cap yet, and thinks he's too big for his club. Sounds like just the sort of chap we should be avoiding.

Edit: Well, I should probably think before I have a rant. Oops.

Big 'like' for this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 24, 2013, 06:39:14 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"
bravo! love it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on January 24, 2013, 06:39:16 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on January 24, 2013, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

If you try to repeat that joke,ever, Ill set Eden Hazard on you.....or Eden Kane.

Well I ask you....

Eden Kane...source of one of the best pop quiz questions ever.

Which 3 British brothers had separate number 1 singles?

Peter Sarstead Robin Sarstead and Richard Sarstead

*Pedant alert* "Sarstedt"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ronshirt on January 24, 2013, 06:41:34 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:26:40 AM
"We will go again and stick together.

Anagram generator gives: Low wage ailing cankered tight Scot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:44:55 PM: Quote from: E I Adio on January 24, 2013, 06:39:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on January 24, 2013, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: Malandro on January 24, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2013, 12:39:58 PM
Here's some transfer gossip. Apologies if already mentioned.

Quote
IRELAND new boy Jeff Hendrick has emerged as a transfer target for struggling Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old Derby County midfielder was called up to Giovanni Trapattoni's senior squad for the first time this week for next month's friendly against Poland.

Despite being just 20, Hendrick has made more than 80 appearances for the Rams and is a strong competitor in a physical league, something that has impressed Trapattoni when he watched the midfielder at close quarters over the last two weeks.

Hendricks just tweeted that he wants to leave this transfer window. He states "There must be some kind of way out of here"

If you try to repeat that joke,ever, Ill set Eden Hazard on you.....or Eden Kane.

Well I ask you....

Eden Kane...source of one of the best pop quiz questions ever.

Which 3 British brothers had separate number 1 singles?

Peter Sarstead Robin Sarstead and Richard Sarstead

*Pedant alert* "Sarstedt"

I stand corrected .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 06:55:07 PM: Quote from: john e on January 24, 2013, 06:26:50 PM
i think we will be OK as i'm sure Randy will open his wallet in the Summer ;D

Spotted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 24, 2013, 06:57:55 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2013, 06:26:50 PM
i think we will be OK as i'm sure Randy will open his wallet in the Summer ;D

Spotted.

sorry, couldnt resist
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 24, 2013, 06:59:41 PM: have people seen this Sissoko bloke play?

is there any chance (at all) that he's actually pish?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 07:04:23 PM: Quote from: danno on January 24, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
have people seen this Sissoko bloke play?

is there any chance (at all) that he's actually pish?

He's very good on Championship Manager, which I suspect is driving the clamour.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 07:06:28 PM: Quote from: danno on January 24, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
have people seen this Sissoko bloke play?

is there any chance (at all) that he's actually pish?

He is a very decent player. Will be worth 15 and attracting big interest inside 18 months. Tiote, Cabeye, Sissoko and Ben Arfa is a fucking brilliant midfield.

Meanwhile at Villa Park.....

Oooo there is some proper quality tumbleweed there.

Seriously, I would love Faulkner to explain how it is in the best interests of the club not to buy this window. I see Randy is not a billionaire in £ as well as $. He can afford to put it in to keep us up and build a bit FFS.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2013, 07:11:45 PM: Have I missed something? Has Faulkner really said this?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 24, 2013, 07:11:58 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: danno on January 24, 2013, 06:59:41 PM
have people seen this Sissoko bloke play?

is there any chance (at all) that he's actually pish?

He's very good on Championship Manager, which I suspect is driving the clamour.

Ah he's one of those! I remember Luke Moore was a demon in the 03/04 version.

If he's decent fair enough, I was just having a hard time getting worked up about
us missing out on him. My own fault for never having heard of him I suppose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2013, 07:13:43 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 05:57:54 PM
I'm not accepting relegation.
Get your bloody kit on then Legion and teach these damn players how to defend from a set piece, I hear your good at teaching ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 07:14:02 PM: Quote from: Ian J on January 24, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
Have I missed something? Has Faulkner really said this?

Nope he's said and done fuck all. As for Sissoko I've seen him play a few times for Toulose and he looks ideally suited to the Premier League.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 24, 2013, 07:21:05 PM: So Newcastle have signed two full backs, a CB, a striker/winger and now a CM in little over a week. They're definitely focused on moving up the table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:22:38 PM: Quote from: Ian J on January 24, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 05:57:54 PM
I'm not accepting relegation.
Get your bloody kit on then Legion and teach these damn players how to defend from a set piece, I hear your good at teaching ;)

Satisfactory at teaching, crap at doing, but must be getting something right with coaching football (my school team are Walsall Champions and through to the West Midlands Final). It's "you're", by the way...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 07:30:53 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:22:38 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 24, 2013, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 05:57:54 PM
I'm not accepting relegation.
Get your bloody kit on then Legion and teach these damn players how to defend from a set piece, I hear your good at teaching ;)

Satisfactory at teaching, crap at doing, but must be getting something right with coaching football (my school team are Walsall Champions and through to the West Midlands Final). It's "you're", by the way...

What age are they Legion?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:32:00 PM: Primary. Main team has children from Y4-6. Aged 8-11.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 07:33:38 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Primary. Main team has children from Y4-6. Aged 8-11.
Great age before they start getting mouthy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 24, 2013, 07:35:13 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Primary. Main team has children from Y4-6. Aged 8-11.

Ideal for the Villa then. Young and hungry ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:37:21 PM: Yes. They're a cracking team both in terms of ability and attitude. The West Mids final was supposed to be this Saturday but has been postponed to the 9th February. This year I've had far more enjoyment and excitement from watching these play than I do when I go to watch the Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2013, 07:38:11 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Primary. Main team has children from Y4-6. Aged 8-11.
Great age before they start getting mouthy.

At that age I'm surprised Lambert's scouts aren't sniffing around.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:38:17 PM: One of them is already playing for our U-11s. Another is on Walsall's books.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 24, 2013, 07:40:20 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:38:17 PM
One of them is already playing for our U-11s. Another is on Walsall's books.
Is playing tomorrow night at Millwall?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 24, 2013, 07:41:52 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:38:17 PM
One of them is already playing for our U-11s. Another is on Walsall's books.

My sons team (yr8) got too the last 32 of the National cup, got beat by a team from Redditch way they had a player on WBA's books he was easily the best player I've seen at my son's age group.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:44:06 PM: My little gem is going to be something special. Best player by far on the pitch even at the level he is playing at for the Villa. I'm lucky enough to be able to watch him in action at BMH and he just blows you away with what he can do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:44:46 PM: Anyway, I think we've gone off-topic somewhat. Apologies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 24, 2013, 07:50:30 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Anyway, I think we've gone off-topic somewhat. Apologies.

I can honestly say i enjoyed hearing about optimistic young kids much more than the last 20 pages on this thread ........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 07:51:53 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Anyway, I think we've gone off-topic somewhat. Apologies.
Legion Messi. It has a certain ring to it. Legion Junior, Fin Feds Dad Junior, etc. In 7 years we will win the Champions League for certain. UTV.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:53:11 PM: I'm his teacher and football coach, not his Dad!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 07:56:30 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 24, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
Think we need a very big protest on Friday match. As Tuesday night will only leave us less than 48 hours to spend the money. I wish there is a super rich man saying to Randy Lerner, I want to buy the club but you only have 48 hours to accept or I will withdraw the offer and buy Everton or whatever.

I think Paul Lambert need to step on the pitch and talk to the fans like Big Ron before we sign Dean Saunders.

Thing is salsa we wouldnt understand a word he said if he did .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 08:04:41 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2013, 07:53:11 PM
I'm his teacher and football coach, not his Dad!
We will still win the Champions League in 7 ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 24, 2013, 08:09:20 PM: Legion, we will have to sort a match. My team, same age, has just made Worcs county finals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2013, 08:11:16 PM: Quote from: Nastylee on January 24, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Legion, we will have to sort a match. My team, same age, has just made Worcs county finals.

I'd be up for that. Bit of a travel issue, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2013, 08:18:31 PM: After 416 pages of nothing....I'm gonna say FUCK YOU LERNER!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2013, 08:54:15 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 24, 2013, 07:21:05 PM
So Newcastle have signed two full backs, a CB, a striker/winger and now a CM in little over a week. They're definitely focused on moving up the table.

Funnily enough, those are the exact positions we need players in (striker apart).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 08:58:25 PM: @MatKendrick: Lambert on the R-word ('relegation', not 'Randy'): "It doesn't frighten me or scare me. It's a challenge. I'm not going to let it happen."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 24, 2013, 09:01:25 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
@MatKendrick: Lambert on the R-word ('relegation', not 'Randy'): "It doesn't frighten me or scare me. It's a challenge. I'm not going to let it happen."

DE NILE.

I think at the next press conference, he'll just stick his fingers in his ears and go
'LA LA LA LA LA LA LA'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM: Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 24, 2013, 09:06:22 PM: @JamesNursey: This Massadio Haidara full-back #NUFC have just signed is fella lined up by McLeish to come to Villa b4 he was sacked!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 24, 2013, 09:07:16 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 09:06:22 PM
@JamesNursey: This Massadio Haidara full-back #NUFC have just signed is fella lined up by McLeish to come to Villa b4 he was sacked!
Christ, it just get's better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 24, 2013, 09:07:31 PM: Yeah he probably doesn't believe it, the players probably don't believe it and we don't believe it, but Lamberts not got a lot of choice but to keep going again and saying it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:08:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 08:58:25 PM
@MatKendrick: Lambert on the R-word ('relegation', not 'Randy'): "It doesn't frighten me or scare me. It's a challenge. I'm not going to let it happen."

well thats ok then. crisis over.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 24, 2013, 09:08:53 PM: Quote from: Rip Van doin' the Lambert walk on January 24, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 24, 2013, 09:06:22 PM
@JamesNursey: This Massadio Haidara full-back #NUFC have just signed is fella lined up by McLeish to come to Villa b4 he was sacked!
Christ, it just get's better.

Judging by the full back Mcduff did manage to sign, I won't shed any tears.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2013, 09:09:36 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Stuck in a time warp type quote? A la John Gregory?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 24, 2013, 09:16:14 PM: Some of Newcastles players might turn out to be good, or they might be like our very own KEA who (positive spin) will take a long time to adjust to the premier league (not so positive spin) or are total shit, despite looking decent on a couple of you tube videos.

Remy might turn out to be good at QPR, he certainly had a good start the other day, but he's still their only half decent striker, they certainly don't have the strength up front that we do.

We are a point ahead of our rivals. They will pick up points this season, sure, but fuck em, they are still shit, we just need to match them to stay ahead of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 09:21:19 PM: Quote from: django on January 24, 2013, 09:16:14 PM
Some of Newcastles players might turn out to be good, or they might be like our very own KEA who (positive spin) will take a long time to adjust to the premier league (not so positive spin) or are total shit, despite looking decent on a couple of you tube videos.

There's a chance that may turn out to be the case, yes, but what is almost certain is that our squad isn't going to magically improve in quality if we don't buy anyone.

"They might be shit" isn't the best of arguments against buying new players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 24, 2013, 09:26:35 PM: Warnock to Wolves (on loan): http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2013/01/24/wolves-close-in-on-villas-stephen-warnock/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2013, 09:30:25 PM: Strange how things change. We seemed to spend ages hoping we would buy a decent centre forward as 'the final piece in the jigsaw'. Now we have 3, but need players in 3 or 4 other positions, just to have a mid table team.

Rabbit out of the hat required please Mr Lerner
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on January 24, 2013, 09:32:23 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 24, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
Warnock to Wolves (on loan): http://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2013/01/24/wolves-close-in-on-villas-stephen-warnock/

Funny thing is I think he could do a job for us still
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 24, 2013, 09:34:39 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: django on January 24, 2013, 09:16:14 PM
Some of Newcastles players might turn out to be good, or they might be like our very own KEA who (positive spin) will take a long time to adjust to the premier league (not so positive spin) or are total shit, despite looking decent on a couple of you tube videos.

There's a chance that may turn out to be the case, yes, but what is almost certain is that our squad isn't going to magically improve in quality if we don't buy anyone.

"They might be shit" isn't the best of arguments against buying new players.

No I know. It's not even a good argument against the doom and gloom. The doom and gloom is what makes sense. I just can't handle the relentlessness of it, as justified as it may be. The only argument I can think of against signing players is we haven't got any money, that's what I think the problem is and feeling depressed isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it

If (looking ever more likely) we are relegated it will largely be because Lerner didn't want to spend money, so why would he then sack a manager, which will cost him more money? Why does he need a scapegoat when he quite clearly doesn't give a shit what we think? More depressingly, I don't think he'll be that bothered. I think he has written off the money he has spent and got tied up in Aston Villa and as long as it breaks even from now on, which it can probably do quite nicely in the Championship, he'll be happy.

I haven't got a tattoo, he has, but only one of us is a fan of Aston Villa. Having said that, he invested handsomely at the same time Tottenham did; they bought Bale, we bought Sidwell. I can see why he'd be disillusioned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 10:12:41 PM: Dale Stephens who we been linked with alot ,not going to happen club can't agree fee and player has been advised by agents/other players not to come to us as we are in freefall.From poster on VT who knows player at Charlton..

Just have no words as to what happening with the club at mo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 24, 2013, 10:17:19 PM: Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM

I haven't got a tattoo, he has, but only one of us is a fan of Aston Villa. Having said that, he invested handsomely at the same time Tottenham did; they bought Bale, we bought Sidwell. I can see why he'd be disillusioned.

Quote from: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 10:12:41 PM
Dale Stephens who we been linked with alot ,not going to happen club can't agree fee and player has been advised by agents/other players not to come to us as we are in freefall.From poster on VT who knows player at Charlton..

Just have no words as to what happening with the club at mo

These two posts sum up where we are and why we're there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2013, 10:20:48 PM: Quote from: django on January 24, 2013, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM

I haven't got a tattoo, he has, but only one of us is a fan of Aston Villa. Having said that, he invested handsomely at the same time Tottenham did; they bought Bale, we bought Sidwell. I can see why he'd be disillusioned.

Quote from: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 10:12:41 PM
Dale Stephens who we been linked with alot ,not going to happen club can't agree fee and player has been advised by agents/other players not to come to us as we are in freefall.From poster on VT who knows player at Charlton..

Just have no words as to what happening with the club at mo

These two posts sum up where we are and why we're there.

Because we take ITK stuff off the internet as gospel?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 10:31:09 PM: Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it

If (looking ever more likely) we are relegated it will largely be because Lerner didn't want to spend money, so why would he then sack a manager, which will cost him more money? Why does he need a scapegoat when he quite clearly doesn't give a shit what we think? More depressingly, I don't think he'll be that bothered. I think he has written off the money he has spent and got tied up in Aston Villa and as long as it breaks even from now on, which it can probably do quite nicely in the Championship, he'll be happy.

If that was the case why did he sack TSM after last season for seemingly following his orders to the letter? Lambert will go if we go down and from his point of view I can't see what he gains. Presumably he's not paid enough not to work again for the next 20 years and lets face it he'll be lucky to get a gig back at colchester. We may have diminished in stature over time, but still taking us down would be a career ender. Like Everton or tottenham getting relegated. Look at the last two clowns who did it - one ended up at 4th division wolves, the other had to slope back off to scotland because no-one would touch him.. Even the nutters at Forest wouldn't have given TSM the gig if he's taken us down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2013, 10:40:59 PM: As we are going to sign nobody should not Lambert be looking at different ways of utilising his players.

1.Warnock has turned in decent performances in midfield for Blackburn and for us.
2. Benteke could be used at centre back in the short term. Dion was successful and Allan Evans when they moved back
3 Leaving Bent and Weimann up front
4 Carruthers looked promising last season in his short spells give him a chance.
5. Move Clark to defensive midfield where he might do some good.
6. Get a free transfer winger in to supply Bent with a decent service so he can score goals
7 Move N'Zogbia to left back where he has played for Newcastle and use Bennett as an attacking midfielder

So we have Guzan
Lowton
Zog
Vlaar
Benteke

Warnock
Delph
Clark
Bennett/Carruthers/Free transfer winger

Wiemann
Bent
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:43:39 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it

If (looking ever more likely) we are relegated it will largely be because Lerner didn't want to spend money, so why would he then sack a manager, which will cost him more money? Why does he need a scapegoat when he quite clearly doesn't give a shit what we think? More depressingly, I don't think he'll be that bothered. I think he has written off the money he has spent and got tied up in Aston Villa and as long as it breaks even from now on, which it can probably do quite nicely in the Championship, he'll be happy.

If that was the case why did he sack TSM after last season for seemingly following his orders to the letter? Lambert will go if we go down and from his point of view I can't see what he gains. Presumably he's not paid enough not to work again for the next 20 years and lets face it he'll be lucky to get a gig back at colchester. We may have diminished in stature over time, but still taking us down would be a career ender. Like Everton or tottenham getting relegated. Look at the last two clowns who did it - one ended up at 4th division wolves, the other had to slope back off to scotland because no-one would touch him.. Even the nutters at Forest wouldn't have given TSM the gig if he's taken us down.

Take your point about TSM but I think where its different is that Randy has given up in the intervening period.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:01:13 PM: Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it

If (looking ever more likely) we are relegated it will largely be because Lerner didn't want to spend money, so why would he then sack a manager, which will cost him more money? Why does he need a scapegoat when he quite clearly doesn't give a shit what we think? More depressingly, I don't think he'll be that bothered. I think he has written off the money he has spent and got tied up in Aston Villa and as long as it breaks even from now on, which it can probably do quite nicely in the Championship, he'll be happy.

If that was the case why did he sack TSM after last season for seemingly following his orders to the letter? Lambert will go if we go down and from his point of view I can't see what he gains. Presumably he's not paid enough not to work again for the next 20 years and lets face it he'll be lucky to get a gig back at colchester. We may have diminished in stature over time, but still taking us down would be a career ender. Like Everton or tottenham getting relegated. Look at the last two clowns who did it - one ended up at 4th division wolves, the other had to slope back off to scotland because no-one would touch him.. Even the nutters at Forest wouldn't have given TSM the gig if he's taken us down.

Take your point about TSM but I think where its different is that Randy has given up in the intervening period.

why give lambchop 20m then? Anyway we're all guessing because none of it makes any sense to me.
Lerner won't give him money because we're skint but is willing to lose a fortune going down? eh?
Lerner thinks the squad is good enough to stay up so wont give him money? Buh?
Lambchop has convinced Lerner he can keep us up? Nurse!

whole thing is mental
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:03:12 PM: If we are not going to buy anyone, then we should not be sending Warnock on loan to Wolves, we should be playing him.

I appreciate that means a bit of pride-swallowing from the manager, but Bennett is fucking hopeless, and it feels like there is a queue of sides who have sussed out that attacking us down that flank and getting balls into the box is the way to undo us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 24, 2013, 11:05:34 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
If we are not going to buy anyone, then we should not be sending Warnock on loan to Wolves, we should be playing him.

I appreciate that means a bit of pride-swallowing from the manager, but Bennett is fucking hopeless, and it feels like there is a queue of sides who have sussed out that attacking us down that flank and getting balls into the box is the way to undo us.
Correct. Can't have another Poison Dwarf falling out with players but still lining their pockets. Getting closer and closer to wanting Lambert out. Lerner out regardless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 24, 2013, 11:13:05 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:01:13 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 24, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
Not sure what else he can say. He has been left up shit creek without a paddle by Randy and he has to at least try to maintain a front of confidence even if its an increasingly frail facade. The only other option would be to come out fighting and openly criticise Randy and try to force his hand.

Well that's what i would do. Put some distance between himself and Lerner/Faulkner. He'll probably get the tin-tack if he does, but at least his reputation won't be completely trashed as it will be if we go down. He should remember TSM was in complete harmony with Lerner and Co this time last year and it didn't save him. He's being lined up as the scapegoat and he doesn't seem to realise it

If (looking ever more likely) we are relegated it will largely be because Lerner didn't want to spend money, so why would he then sack a manager, which will cost him more money? Why does he need a scapegoat when he quite clearly doesn't give a shit what we think? More depressingly, I don't think he'll be that bothered. I think he has written off the money he has spent and got tied up in Aston Villa and as long as it breaks even from now on, which it can probably do quite nicely in the Championship, he'll be happy.

If that was the case why did he sack TSM after last season for seemingly following his orders to the letter? Lambert will go if we go down and from his point of view I can't see what he gains. Presumably he's not paid enough not to work again for the next 20 years and lets face it he'll be lucky to get a gig back at colchester. We may have diminished in stature over time, but still taking us down would be a career ender. Like Everton or tottenham getting relegated. Look at the last two clowns who did it - one ended up at 4th division wolves, the other had to slope back off to scotland because no-one would touch him.. Even the nutters at Forest wouldn't have given TSM the gig if he's taken us down.

Take your point about TSM but I think where its different is that Randy has given up in the intervening period.

why give lambchop 20m then? Anyway we're all guessing because none of it makes any sense to me.
Lerner won't give him money because we're skint but is willing to lose a fortune going down? eh?
Lerner thinks the squad is good enough to stay up so wont give him money? Buh?
Lambchop has convinced Lerner he can keep us up? Nurse!

whole thing is mental

I think a new manager and £20 million was his last throw of the dice. 'If that doesn't work, then fuck it'. It's like a car that you keep spending money on to get through the MOT but eventually think, 'it's not worth it'. Except if you own a 1959 MGA then it emphatically is worth it, because you own something special that will never repay you financially but will make you feel slightly happier about the short pointless time we spend on earth. Sadly, Randy thinks we're a 2000 Mondeo which no longer justifies the cost of a new exhaust.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 24, 2013, 11:17:20 PM: 418 pages on absolutely nothing at all. Who'd have thunk it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:19:51 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 24, 2013, 11:17:20 PM
418 pages on absolutely nothing at all. Who'd have thunk it?

Even Eastie has given up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2013, 11:20:59 PM: i keep thinking about Faulkner going on about us being more dynamic ?

i think i need to go and re look up what this word means :-\
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 24, 2013, 11:22:10 PM: Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 11:13:05 PM
It's like a car that you keep spending money on to get through the MOT but eventually think, 'it's not worth it'. Except if you own a 1959 MGA then it emphatically is worth it, because you own something special that will never repay you financially but will make you feel slightly happier about the short pointless time we spend on earth. Sadly, Randy thinks we're a 2000 Mondeo which no longer justifies the cost of a new exhaust.

And the cheery analogy of the day award goes to...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 24, 2013, 11:23:52 PM: We are Didier Six's Maestro Ghia. Brown in colour with beige and walnut interior.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 24, 2013, 11:25:22 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 24, 2013, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: mike on January 24, 2013, 11:13:05 PM
It's like a car that you keep spending money on to get through the MOT but eventually think, 'it's not worth it'. Except if you own a 1959 MGA then it emphatically is worth it, because you own something special that will never repay you financially but will make you feel slightly happier about the short pointless time we spend on earth. Sadly, Randy thinks we're a 2000 Mondeo which no longer justifies the cost of a new exhaust.

And the cheery analogy of the day award goes to...

Partly true, but I am speaking as Randy Lerner. Except he's probably never heard of an MGA.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fergal on January 24, 2013, 11:28:29 PM: Were fucked, only thing tat will save us now is the same luck we had last year...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 24, 2013, 11:37:26 PM: http://twitter.com/TheFootballBar/status/294588292459032576/photo/1
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:39:37 PM: Nigel Reo Coker looks a better proposition by the day on a 6 month deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:40:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:39:37 PM
Nigel Reo Coker looks a better proposition by the day on a 6 month deal.

I'd agree.

Oh, hang on, you don't mean a six month deal with *us* do you?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2013, 11:41:53 PM: If Westwood gets injured, who in our squad can play holding midfield?

Better there than Bannan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 24, 2013, 11:42:22 PM: Late on today but have heard today's news - mods, you may as well close this threas, as nothing is going to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2013, 11:44:27 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.

Well said Dan.

Agreed we are starting to resemble Blackburn in terms of lacking a clue as to what the fuck we are doing.

Lerner is just as stupid as the chicken farmers, he just had a bit more of his trust fund money to waste.
I see there is a cult forming here all enforcing each others beliefs.
As Jim Jones said "We didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 24, 2013, 11:46:27 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 24, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:46:50 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:39:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 24, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
Sissoko possibly going to Newcastle, SSN. For fucksake, this is ridiculous in the extreme now.

Newcastle apparently actually have a plan though, we don't.
Newcastle's plan is to avoid relegation. Our plan at Villa seems to welcome it with open arms, for some reason. Pathetic.
This really is turning into a nightmare. 3 years of dragging this club into the shite seems to be coming to its inevitable end. Fucking well done all of you in charge at our club. Hang your heads in shame, all of you concerned. You are not fit to control our club.

Well said Dan.

Agreed we are starting to resemble Blackburn in terms of lacking a clue as to what the fuck we are doing.

Lerner is just as stupid as the chicken farmers, he just had a bit more of his trust fund money to waste.
I see there is a cult forming here all enforcing each others beliefs.
As Jim Jones said "We didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world"

He said that after he committed suicide?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 24, 2013, 11:47:12 PM: I'm sorry but this 'tune' feels appropriate
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 24, 2013, 11:51:07 PM: It's a just a huge bluff. Isn't it? Surely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 24, 2013, 11:57:55 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 24, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
It's a just a huge bluff. Isn't it? Surely.

I wish but all the vibes are it's anything but.

Remember when we could keep Bakke on loan ,it's come full circle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2013, 12:02:46 AM: Recorded message found afterwards.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 12:17:12 AM: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267932/Fulham-interested-Emanuel-Pogatetz.html#ixzz2IwCnwaYp
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: willywombat on January 25, 2013, 12:20:03 AM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 24, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
It's a just a huge bluff. Isn't it? Surely.

Sadly it doesn't look that way
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 25, 2013, 12:26:50 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267932/Fulham-interested-Emanuel-Pogatetz.html#ixzz2IwCnwaYp
It's a link!! To Emanuel Pogatetz, who was shite at Boro 8 years ago, admittedly but it's a link nevertheless. Sign him up!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2013, 12:28:12 AM: we can rest this poor thread for now ,,,,, it could do with a break :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 25, 2013, 12:30:24 AM: Perhaps best moved to Villa Memories.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 25, 2013, 12:33:17 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 25, 2013, 12:30:24 AM
Perhaps best moved to Villa Memories.

Like so many things I have loved since I was seven :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 25, 2013, 12:40:24 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 25, 2013, 12:26:50 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2267932/Fulham-interested-Emanuel-Pogatetz.html#ixzz2IwCnwaYp
It's a link!! To Emanuel Pogatetz, who was shite at Boro 8 years ago, admittedly but it's a link nevertheless. Sign him up!

snigger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 25, 2013, 12:56:47 AM: At least the F5 key will get a rest now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 25, 2013, 01:03:18 AM: 420 pages and we finally find out we won't be signing anyone. What a fucking waste of valuable minutes of our lives.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2013, 01:31:20 AM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 24, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
It's a just a huge bluff. Isn't it? Surely.

Karl, you often get wind of a scoop re new signings. Don't you have anything...anything at all?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 25, 2013, 01:36:35 AM: We might as well start the Summer 2014 transfer thread and have something to look forward to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 25, 2013, 03:18:16 AM: There's lots of teams that havn't bought anyone yet and i'm convinced that we are just biding our time til the silly money has gone then Lambert will swoop. If by the slightest chance i'm wrong (i'm always right) then the temperature inside Villa Park will be explosive.
Even the added security of the directors box may not be enough to protect the C.E.O. and Lerner will need to stay his side of the water.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: wookster on January 25, 2013, 06:34:12 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 25, 2013, 01:36:35 AM
We might as well start the Summer 2014 transfer thread and have something to look forward to.
Might as well close it the same day as it opens, this place is a one way street
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 25, 2013, 07:08:49 AM: Quote from: willywombat on January 25, 2013, 12:20:03 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 24, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
It's a just a huge bluff. Isn't it? Surely.

Sadly it doesn't look that way

Afraid not.
Wanker is keeping the purse strings tightened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 25, 2013, 07:09:50 AM: I don't know, based on that interview I reckon their could be transfers out of villa park this month, DB to name one. You know off the wage bill ready for the championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 25, 2013, 07:40:57 AM: Lets fast forward to the summer. Who should we sign so that we have a chance to bounce straight back?

Which buggers will jump of the sinking ship?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 25, 2013, 07:46:40 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 25, 2013, 07:40:57 AM
Lets fast forward to the summer. Who should we sign so that we have a chance to bounce straight back?

Which buggers will jump of the sinking ship?

We might be able to keep Weimann, Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood and Lowton but will definitely lose Benteke. It'd be miracle if we manage to sell Gabby, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Hutton, Given and Makoun. N'Zogbia might be bought by QPR or one of the clubs who will get promoted this year but that's a longshot.

In the worst case scenario we'll lose all the good players and have to keep all high earners and our lousy young players and we'll end up mid-table championship club at best.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on January 25, 2013, 08:18:32 AM: Day 25 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 08:36:42 AM: Is Dan Gosling still available?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 08:45:08 AM: Hutton to Real Mallorca ???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 25, 2013, 08:47:47 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 08:45:08 AM
Hutton to Real Mallorca ???

Is he going on his holidays?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2013, 08:49:42 AM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 25, 2013, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 08:45:08 AM
Hutton to Real Mallorca ???

Is he going on his holidays?
one-way-fucking-ticket hopefully.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2013, 08:50:13 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 08:36:42 AM
Is Dan Gosling still available?
He's probably going to be available for the rest of his life. Shit player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 08:58:40 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2013, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 08:36:42 AM
Is Dan Gosling still available?
He's probably going to be available for the rest of his life. Shit player.

;D ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 09:02:26 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2013, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 08:36:42 AM
Is Dan Gosling still available?
He's probably going to be available for the rest of his life. Shit player.

Well at least for the last 421 pages anyway
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 09:07:22 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 25, 2013, 07:40:57 AM
Lets fast forward to the summer. Who should we sign so that we have a chance to bounce straight back?

Which buggers will jump of the sinking ship?

I imagine they'll try and sell anyone possible and not replace them with anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 09:10:29 AM: Probably time this thread was locked eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villasjf on January 25, 2013, 09:24:31 AM: Just thinking the same
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 25, 2013, 09:27:37 AM: Well not3bad started it......should have been posted in the Time Wasters section really
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Smoke on January 25, 2013, 09:28:49 AM: Has anyone been funny enough to point out that this thread should be locked yet?

Or what about pointing out that if we get relegated we'll lose lots of TV revenue?

Bored.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 25, 2013, 09:30:19 AM: I'd be very surprised if Bent doesn't leave in this window, the other teams are probably waiting to bid for him till late in the window trying to get price down and coax Bent to leave sinking ship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 25, 2013, 09:33:30 AM: If Bent was to leave, then I think we would at least get one player in with the money earned / saved off the wage bill.

Were that to mean a decent ball winning midfield player coming in then it would probably improve us (given that the idiot manager wont play Bent anyway).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 25, 2013, 09:36:06 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on January 25, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
If Bent was to leave, then I think we would at least get one player in with the money earned / saved off the wage bill.

Were that to mean a decent ball winning midfield player coming in then it would probably improve us (given that the idiot manager wont play Bent anyway).

I wouldn't count on that, if it's true that we can't even get Stephens from Charlton to join us, who we could get then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 25, 2013, 09:36:28 AM: If the plan wasn't to sell Bent this month, I'm really baffled by the way he was excluded earlier in the season. Unless, and this is total guesswork, it was to QPR and now we find ourselves competing with them to stay up, we won't sell to a relegation rival. So QPR signed Remy instead. And now we don't have the funds available that Lambert had thought we would...

Been mentioned already, but media in Mallorca saying Hutton will join Real Mallorca shortly, contract to be signed on Monday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 25, 2013, 09:38:45 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 25, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
If the plan wasn't to sell Bent this month, I'm really baffled by the way he was excluded earlier in the season. Unless, and this is total guesswork, it was to QPR and now we find ourselves competing with them to stay up, we won't sell to a relegation rival. So QPR signed Remy instead. And now we don't have the funds available that Lambert had thought we would...

Been mentioned already, but media in Mallorca saying Hutton will join Real Mallorca shortly, contract to be signed on Monday.

Fulham were probably after him too but either they wouldn't pay the wage demanded by Bent and/or wouldn't match our asking price.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 25, 2013, 09:41:41 AM: We should probably just close this thread down right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 25, 2013, 09:52:07 AM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
Probably time this thread was locked eh?

Bit sulky and hissy fit to close it before 31st. Not that I'm expecting anything. Also can we aim for 500 pages with no activity?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 25, 2013, 09:56:26 AM: Now hang on guys, if Hutton is leaving then I guess the thread was worth it eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 09:58:44 AM: If Hutton really is off, maybe there's some money to spend?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 25, 2013, 10:00:42 AM: The only way Hutton would ever be "worth it" would be if he had a hair transplant with
Jennifer Aniston.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:01:08 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
If Hutton really is off, maybe there's some money to spend?

I appreciate the optimism paulie. Has it been confirmed he is off?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 10:02:52 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
If Hutton really is off, maybe there's some money to spend?

I appreciate the optimism paulie. Has it been confirmed he is off?

Apparently, it's only on loan, so that'll be another 4m pissed up the wall when he walks (or, in his case, "gallops") off for nothing at the end of his contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 25, 2013, 10:07:47 AM: Quote from: Merv on January 25, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
If the plan wasn't to sell Bent this month, I'm really baffled by the way he was excluded earlier in the season. Unless, and this is total guesswork, it was to QPR and now we find ourselves competing with them to stay up, we won't sell to a relegation rival. So QPR signed Remy instead. And now we don't have the funds available that Lambert had thought we would...

Been mentioned already, but media in Mallorca saying Hutton will join Real Mallorca shortly, contract to be signed on Monday.

If the plan wasn't to sell Bent then why did we buy Benteke? We had a reasonable strike force with him, Gabby and Weimann and an absolutely shit midfield which we didn't strengthen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pedro25 on January 25, 2013, 10:14:22 AM: Quote from: mike on January 25, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: Merv on January 25, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
If the plan wasn't to sell Bent this month, I'm really baffled by the way he was excluded earlier in the season. Unless, and this is total guesswork, it was to QPR and now we find ourselves competing with them to stay up, we won't sell to a relegation rival. So QPR signed Remy instead. And now we don't have the funds available that Lambert had thought we would...

Been mentioned already, but media in Mallorca saying Hutton will join Real Mallorca shortly, contract to be signed on Monday.

If the plan wasn't to sell Bent then why did we buy Benteke? We had a reasonable strike force with him, Gabby and Weimann and an absolutely shit midfield which we didn't strengthen.

Agreed, under O'Neill we had Carew, Gabby, Fonz and Harewood or Heskey. We now have an infinitely better array of strikers, but the rest of the squad, maybe keepers aside, is hopelessly weaker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: monkeyboy on January 25, 2013, 10:17:18 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
If Hutton really is off, maybe there's some money to spend?

I think it's the opposite Paulie - i'm assuming we've had to pay someone to take him from us as well as paying his wages, at least we will save on his canteen bill at BMH
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:26:59 AM: Loan fee and % of wages , same for Warnock gota be some room for us to bring some one in

On another note that would be 3 first teamers with total salary nearing 100k a week and a second choice GK on 60k ..what a bloody mess the board as made itself.We prob have the highest paid 2nd choice keeper in the league
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
Loan fee and % of wages , same for Warnock gota be some room for us to bring some one in

On another note that would be 3 first teamers with total salary nearing 100k a week and a second choice GK on 60k ..what a bloody mess the board as made itself.We prob have the highest paid 2nd choice keeper in the league

He was first choice when we brought him. It's his own fault he lost his place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CJ on January 25, 2013, 10:38:10 AM: Quote from: mike on January 25, 2013, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
Probably time this thread was locked eh?

Bit sulky and hissy fit to close it before 31st. Not that I'm expecting anything. Also can we aim for 500 pages with no activity?

Given PL's interview on the 'The club have accepted Relegation' thread it's now abundantly clear we aren't signing anyone. Only reason to keep this thread open now is to plot the departures of the likes of Hutton and maybe Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 10:39:08 AM: Will the last man out please turn out the lights .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:40:52 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
Loan fee and % of wages , same for Warnock gota be some room for us to bring some one in

On another note that would be 3 first teamers with total salary nearing 100k a week and a second choice GK on 60k ..what a bloody mess the board as made itself.We prob have the highest paid 2nd choice keeper in the league

He was first choice when we brought him. It's his own fault he lost his place.

You could argue reason he lost place is because his control of area ,coming for balls into box and kicking is not great hence why City binned him which begs the question why such an investment fee and wages on a 35 year old.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2013, 10:43:12 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
Loan fee and % of wages , same for Warnock gota be some room for us to bring some one in

On another note that would be 3 first teamers with total salary nearing 100k a week and a second choice GK on 60k ..what a bloody mess the board as made itself.We prob have the highest paid 2nd choice keeper in the league

He was first choice when we brought him. It's his own fault he lost his place.

You could argue reason he lost place is because his control of area ,coming for balls into box and kicking is not great hence why City binned him which begs the question why such an investment fee and wages on a 35 year old.

I'd agree on the length of the contract it was a bit excessive, but as for the fee, not too many complained at the time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 10:52:32 AM: Quote from: CJ on January 25, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: mike on January 25, 2013, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
Probably time this thread was locked eh?

Bit sulky and hissy fit to close it before 31st. Not that I'm expecting anything. Also can we aim for 500 pages with no activity?

Given PL's interview on the 'The club have accepted Relegation' thread it's now abundantly clear we aren't signing anyone. Only reason to keep this thread open now is to plot the departures of the likes of Hutton and maybe Bent.

Bent won't be sold in this window, not for lack of trying I'm sure, but why pay £10 million now when in May he'll be worth £6 million. I doubt we'll see anyone other than Mutton leaving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 11:02:54 AM: Problem with Bent , only clubs that want him are our rivals to go down.Can't offload with out strengthening them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: les spragg on January 25, 2013, 11:04:57 AM: sky news saying" Aston Villa defender Stephen Warnock has joined his namesake Neil at Leeds United on loan according to TalkSport. We'll bring you any further updates as soon as we have them." sorry if someone else posted this I looked but could not see it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 11:06:13 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 25, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
Will the last man out please turn out the lights .

I imagine all lights are turned off at the club, the boardroom is probably lit by the members holding matches.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM: With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 25, 2013, 11:17:11 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 25, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
Will the last man out please turn out the lights .

I imagine all lights are turned off at the club, the boardroom is probably lit by the members holding matches.

No, it'll be lighters waved to the strains of Comfortably Numb
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 25, 2013, 11:17:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in
Except we'll still be paying most of their wages still
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2013, 11:17:53 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 25, 2013, 11:30:42 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in

I think I've missed something - who else has gone?

I think Leeds will at least be paying enough of Warnock's wages to allow for about a £20-30k a week player to come in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 25, 2013, 11:39:31 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in
It's insanity that we have to work in that way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2013, 11:42:48 AM: A Bola, the daily sports paper here are linking us with Ninguem

http://www.abola.pt/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 25, 2013, 11:45:33 AM: Warnock on loan... I'd be tempted just to release him on a free transfer now. Deal's up in the summer, move him on now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 12:11:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
With those two out there has to scope now for a couple in

Salute the optimism, but severely doubt it. If we got in a decent defensive centre mid we might survive, it's that small of a change that could make a massive impact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 12:20:44 PM: I agree. But it would rely on Dunne and Vlaar being fit too, and NZogbia continuing his current interest level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 25, 2013, 12:32:49 PM: Quote
Asked if he was optimistic of players coming in during the transfer window, Lambert said: “No, not really.”

???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 12:33:44 PM: Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 25, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
A Bola, the daily sports paper here are linking us with Ninguem

http://www.abola.pt/

Ninguem? Is that Portuguesey for nobody?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 12:46:44 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
I agree. But it would rely on Dunne and Vlaar being fit too, and NZogbia continuing his current interest level.

Well yes but I'm guessing there is zero chance of anymore than one coming in, so that's where I'd focus my attention. Although Lambert said there wasn't a chance of anyone leaving, so what the fuck is going on?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 25, 2013, 12:58:18 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 25, 2013, 09:36:28 AM
Been mentioned already, but media in Mallorca saying Hutton will join Real Mallorca shortly, contract to be signed on Monday.

he's just going to magaluf for a boys weekend away!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 25, 2013, 01:00:21 PM: Can't say i want the stooge to get any money now. It will only be a youngster for our stint in the championship and precious little to help with this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 25, 2013, 01:04:26 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 25, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
A Bola, the daily sports paper here are linking us with Ninguem

http://www.abola.pt/

Ninguem? Is that Portuguesey for nobody?

Basically Correct, it's no one actually
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 25, 2013, 01:41:42 PM: "Anderlecht midfielder Lucas Biglia could arrive, with reports this week suggesting that Villa are ready to meet his £8million buy-out clause."

From the Metro.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 01:42:15 PM: Ahahahahaha!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 01:46:03 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 25, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
"Anderlecht midfielder Lucas Biglia could arrive, with reports this week suggesting that Villa are ready to meet his £8million buy-out clause."

From the Metro.

The metro - last week they said we were after coutinho - large pinch of salt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 25, 2013, 02:03:02 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 25, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
"Anderlecht midfielder Lucas Biglia could arrive, with reports this week suggesting that Villa are ready to meet his £8million buy-out clause."

From the Metro.
Please let it be true :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 25, 2013, 02:05:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 25, 2013, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 25, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
"Anderlecht midfielder Lucas Biglia could arrive, with reports this week suggesting that Villa are ready to meet his £8million buy-out clause."

From the Metro.

The metro - last week they said we were after coutinho - large pinch of salt.

You could clear every side Road in Birmingham with the pinches of salt produced from their transfer rumours.

Daily Mail bastards.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 25, 2013, 02:05:19 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on January 25, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 25, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
A Bola, the daily sports paper here are linking us with Ninguem

http://www.abola.pt/

Ninguem? Is that Portuguesey for nobody?

Wasn't he married to Galadriel?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 25, 2013, 02:22:51 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 25, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
"Anderlecht midfielder Lucas Biglia could arrive, with reports this week suggesting that Villa are ready to meet his £8million buy-out clause."

From the Metro.

Why must they fuck with us so?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM: Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nick harper on January 25, 2013, 02:47:56 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

Not great, but always quite liked him and would do a job - another no-brainer to my mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 02:49:21 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

"Experienced players guarantee nothing"- why spend money on players to try and stay up when it might not work anyway , - we"ll be fine .

Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 25, 2013, 02:58:04 PM: So say Millwall with half their players injured or transferred beat us 4-0 tonight nothing will happen at all.

You all know the answer.

Im off this thread until 1st Feb. The club has become shambolic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 03:17:51 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 25, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

Sharner is a decent option

Not great, but always quite liked him and would do a job - another no-brainer to my mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 25, 2013, 03:44:16 PM: Quote from: nick harper on January 25, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

Not great, but always quite liked him and would do a job - another no-brainer to my mind.

Good player and tough to boot. Help our pussies out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 25, 2013, 03:45:48 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

He's got an eye for the odd goal as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 25, 2013, 03:54:52 PM: With a low budget, Scharner is exactly the type we should be looking at.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 04:53:16 PM: Exactly quite a character as well from what I recall would be a asset in short term.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 04:54:29 PM: Scharner would be great, but won't happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2013, 05:01:04 PM: He's not too busy being a secret footballer is he? I don't want it to be Kitson.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM: SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that mean we get him at the end of the season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:13:01 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that mean we get him at the end of the season?

I'd guess it would be finding out about this release clause.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM: If only that were true, he would be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:14:00 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
If only that were true, he would be ideal.

Whats to say it's not?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 25, 2013, 05:14:12 PM: His presence would in fact make me much more optimistic. The problem is that I don't see why he'd come here from there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:15:21 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
If only that were true, he would be ideal.

Whats to say it's not?

Everything that's come out of the club of late.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on January 25, 2013, 05:17:05 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
His presence would in fact make me much more optimistic. The problem is that I don't see why he'd come here from there.
maybe he likes the Belfry , or he thinks our macron kit is nicer than the kit stealers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:17:55 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
If only that were true, he would be ideal.

Whats to say it's not?

Everything that's come out of the club of late.

Smoke and mirrors ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:18:02 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
His presence would in fact make me much more optimistic. The problem is that I don't see why he'd come here from there.

Exactly he's the exact type of player we need. But doubt there's any truth in it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 25, 2013, 05:22:24 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
His presence would in fact make me much more optimistic. The problem is that I don't see why he'd come here from there.

Exactly he's the exact type of player we need. But doubt there's any truth in it.

No truth in it. He said a few days ago he wants to stay there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 25, 2013, 05:22:25 PM: Holy shit, Diame? Yes, please. I mean sure.. it's stupid we could have got him for free and are now gonna need to pay 3.5m but yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 05:25:01 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 25, 2013, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
His presence would in fact make me much more optimistic. The problem is that I don't see why he'd come here from there.

Exactly he's the exact type of player we need. But doubt there's any truth in it.

No truth in it. He said a few days ago he wants to stay there

Pie in the sky, next rumour please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 25, 2013, 05:26:04 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that mean we get him at the end of the season?

I'd guess it would be finding out about this release clause.

Yes Please!!!!!!!! Please, please get him Randy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 05:27:37 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 25, 2013, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that mean we get him at the end of the season?

I'd guess it would be finding out about this release clause.

Yes Please!!!!!!!! Please, please get him Randy

Doubt we would get near his wages and cant imagine for a minute that he would want to come here either .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:29:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 25, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 25, 2013, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
SSN:

Aston Villa have enquired about Diame's contract situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that mean we get him at the end of the season?

I'd guess it would be finding out about this release clause.

Yes Please!!!!!!!! Please, please get him Randy

Doubt we would get near his wages and cant imagine for a minute that he would want to come here either .

He joined West Ham so he's hardly got high standards!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 05:30:45 PM: Please be true
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 25, 2013, 05:42:34 PM: Would be a good signing but ive been let down so many times by villa recently that i wont raise my hopes until something is confirmed - sky get a very small percentage of their transfer rumours correct, we may have enquired but i expect been put off by wages as lambert has implied with other enquiries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 05:48:46 PM: I'm not getting my hopes at all, but he'd be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:03:53 PM: Where does it say it? I got ssn on and nothing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2013, 06:04:49 PM: Probably because it's another load of bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 06:08:42 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Where does it say it? I got ssn on and nothing?

Wait for the next transfer window round up, I'm hardly going to make it up!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:11:23 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 06:08:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Where does it say it? I got ssn on and nothing?

Wait for the next transfer window round up, I'm hardly going to make it up!

Never said you did mate I saw it on Twitter, just saying I rushed back and can't see anything
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 06:13:27 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:11:23 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 06:08:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 25, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Where does it say it? I got ssn on and nothing?

Wait for the next transfer window round up, I'm hardly going to make it up!

Never said you did mate I saw it on Twitter, just saying I rushed back and can't see anything

They didnt say anything on this round up :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 06:19:15 PM: Oh that was exciting for a second, thought the club might actually have addressed our major issue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2013, 06:41:13 PM: I didn't realize the transfer window was open.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 25, 2013, 06:42:22 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
I didn't realize the transfer window was open.

It may as well not be for us!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 25, 2013, 06:52:24 PM: I still think we will get somebody or somebodies.
Read the interview yesterday, PL did not rule it out. The 'close to our chests' thing is still Villa's way of doing things.
Oh - the other thing is, we won a match on tuesday!

*tin hat on*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 06:54:47 PM: I pray you're right Louzie, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 25, 2013, 09:21:42 PM: What about this pogatetz. There been some rumours he is available
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 25, 2013, 09:50:38 PM: Its getting so bad that we haven't even been linked with Beni McCarthy this window
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 09:55:06 PM: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH fucking hell. That's all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 10:11:26 PM: Delph injured again. Seriously, we need 2 centre mids that will battle and a centre half by thursday. Get bloody Reo Coker on a free, Frimpong on loan and any centre half that looks scary ffs!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 25, 2013, 10:13:39 PM: LOL. Still people are using this thread. Makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:16:12 PM: Yep our desperation is hilarious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2013, 10:19:27 PM: is there any body thereeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 10:22:11 PM: Fulham sign Frimpong on loan.

He'd have done a job for us.

Can we not even get loan players in, for fuck's sake? What the fuck are they doing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 25, 2013, 10:24:17 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 10:22:11 PM
Fulham sign Frimpong on loan.

He'd have done a job for us.

Can we not even get loan players in, for fuck's sake? What the fuck are they doing?

That's actually a disgrace. There really aren't words for how horrible this all is. It's absolutely inexplicable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 10:24:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Yep our desperation is hilarious.

People can moan about the same points, the same disbelief being written over and over, but what else do we write?

There is enough pain on here at the moment to write an even better heartbreak album than Adele.

Maybe thats what we should turn our collective talents to - writing some sad songs. We can sell them.

I want to scream. Had. Enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 25, 2013, 10:24:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 10:11:26 PM
Delph injured again. Seriously, we need 2 centre mids that will battle and a centre half by thursday. Get bloody Reo Coker on a free, Frimpong on loan and any centre half that looks scary ffs!!

Frimpong has gone to Fulham on loan.

What makes it worse for me is that the players who were doing well have now started to play like they want to crawl off into a hole and curl up.

Two midfielders is the bare minimum for me. I am not even convinced we will get one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 10:26:10 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 25, 2013, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2013, 10:22:11 PM
Fulham sign Frimpong on loan.

He'd have done a job for us.

Can we not even get loan players in, for fuck's sake? What the fuck are they doing?

That's actually a disgrace. There really aren't words for how horrible this all is. It's absolutely inexplicable.

Have they really got him on loan?

Fucking hell.

What the fuck is the plan!?

I am more and more convinced that there are funds and Lambert is being stubborn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 25, 2013, 10:29:43 PM: Someone even more stubborn in the transfer market than MON, incredible.

The useless t*** can't even back it up with any decent results, had enough with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:31:54 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2013, 10:24:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Yep our desperation is hilarious.

People can moan about the same points, the same disbelief being written over and over, but what else do we write?

There is enough pain on here at the moment to write an even better heartbreak album than Adele.

Maybe thats what we should turn our collective talents to - writing some sad songs. We can sell them.

I want to scream. Had. Enough.

Exactly and I'm one as well, I keep writing on this thread out of vain and desperate hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2013, 11:26:00 PM: For all we know, we were in for Frimpong on loan but he opted to go to Fulham instead. You can certainly imagine him preferring to go there right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 25, 2013, 11:29:10 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 25, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
Someone even more stubborn in the transfer market than MON, incredible.

The useless t*** can't even back it up with any decent results, had enough with him.
It's part of the job interview.
'Are you clever in the transfer market?'
'No'
'Your hired'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 25, 2013, 11:30:53 PM: The negligence of the owner and managerial team is the sort of situation that warrants a public enquiry and criminal charges to follow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 01:53:14 AM: Can nobody fucking hear our screams?

I feel like I'm at the bottom of a well with Buffalo Bill looking down about to rape and skin me. Where the fuck is Clarice?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Aze on January 26, 2013, 04:48:14 AM: Calm down it's January we can get through this but we need the manager to change his tactics and go for goals. If we aren't completely strapped for cash and we can hang onto Bent and Gabby, we will score goals.
But Lambert needs to make that happen.
Still out on him at the mo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: chid on January 26, 2013, 08:06:02 AM: Do you think that no spending this January is because Learner will sack Lambert at the end of the window and use any transfer money to pay him off ? get another manager in and he wont be able to spend any money with the window shut ?
Find it very strange that those around us are buying to stay up while we do nowt !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2013, 08:09:42 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 01:53:14 AM
Can nobody fucking hear our screams?

I feel like I'm at the bottom of a well with Buffalo Bill looking down about to rape and skin me. Where the fuck is Clarice?

In B6, nobody can hear you scream.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:09:44 AM: Quote from: chid on January 26, 2013, 08:06:02 AM
Do you think that no spending this January is because Learner will sack Lambert at the end of the window and use any transfer money to pay him off ? get another manager in and he wont be able to spend any money with the window shut ?
Find it very strange that those around us are buying to stay up while we do nowt !

If its a question of new player or new manager then get rid of lambert now- get a new man in , get warnock in left midfield and lets hope a new man provides a kick on effect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: les spragg on January 26, 2013, 08:28:39 AM: If its a question of new player or new manager then get rid of lambert now- get a new man in , get warnock in left midfield and lets hope a new man provides a kick on effect.
Warnock has gone to Leeds
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:31:03 AM: Quote from: les spragg on January 26, 2013, 08:28:39 AM

If its a question of new player or new manager then get rid of lambert now- get a new man in , get warnock in left midfield and lets hope a new man provides a kick on effect.
Warnock has gone to Leeds

Surely we have recall options on loan deals?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM: http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/18834010

This is like a new signing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:42:22 AM: We won't recall warnock no matter what?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:43:36 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:42:22 AM
We won't recall warnock no matter what?

Lambert certainly won't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:44:51 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM
http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/18834010

This is like a new signing

Id be surprised if any new contracts are signed until we know what division we will be playing in .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2013, 08:56:04 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM
http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/18834010

This is like a new signing

Id be surprised if any new contracts are signed until we know what division we will be playing in .

I think we'd be crazy to let Weimann go into the last 12 months of his contract by waiting to the end of the season. We need to sign him up as soon as possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:57:08 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2013, 08:56:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:44:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM
http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/18834010

This is like a new signing

Id be surprised if any new contracts are signed until we know what division we will be playing in .

I think we'd be crazy to let Weimann go into the last 12 months of his contract by waiting to the end of the season. We need to sign him up as soon as possible.

Why would he be in a rush ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 26, 2013, 10:32:09 AM: yep. If i was Weimann i'd wait. If we go down, him and anyone else who looks promising will be gone to make-up the shortfall in revenue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:05:42 AM: Quote from: nick harper on January 25, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 25, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
Paul Scharner available for loan ,ok player for Baggies and Wigan. Can play CB and CM ?

Sunderland circling

Not great, but always quite liked him and would do a job - another no-brainer to my mind.

agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:07:52 AM: why we was not in for Diame in the summer I will never know , and end up buying KEA .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:29 AM: Sharner, Reo Coker and Danny Murphy out of Blackburn would be enough. That is how pathetic our defence/ defensive midfield positions are. Add in Riise who is surplus at Fulham and you would be much better off and give the kids some good pros to learn from, unlike the pathetic effort of Stephen Ireland.

Anything to not let Bannan near the side in the next few months - his form has been incredibly poor.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 26, 2013, 11:13:21 AM: Danny Murphy must be 36 or 37 by now?
I agree though, he's streetwise and a talker.
I'd trust him to organise things a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:14:45 AM: Just heard Micky Quinn say I know some one high up at the villa and he told me theres no money at the club to spend.

I hope you are wrong you fat c*** .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 11:15:57 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
Just heard Micky Quinn say I know some one high up at the villa and he told me theres no money at the club to spend.

I hope you are wrong you fat c*** .

Probably the floodlight bulb changer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:16:24 AM: The thing is, are we seriously accepting the notion in 6 months that Henke has not found 4-5 players in Europe that would cost 2 million each ish that would improve this side at the back and in the middle? Because I bet, given the luxury of travelling where I like watching every game I could, I could find them - cheap enough both fee and wage wise. I bet a good 50% of posters on here could actually. They are out there, at decent prices.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:19:10 AM: Warnock, Scharner, Risse and Reo-Coker back in that side would probably be enough if money's so tight. My mate, a former international (albeit for a very small country) suggested NRC to me, I said 'he's crap'. He said yes, but he talks, points, bollocks people and tells them to do their jobs. Anybody else doing that for us at the minute?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:21:44 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Warnock, Scharner, Risse and Reo-Coker back in that side would probably be enough if money's so tight. My mate, a former international (albeit for a very small country) suggested NRC to me, I said 'he's crap'. He said yes, but he talks, points, bollocks people and tells them to do their jobs. Anybody else doing that for us at the minute?

One of the reasons I would want him back in, he is a natural leader, talker and organiser. Might be bobbins at passing, but will break up play and work his bollocks off. He is a no brainer for me with our lack of anyone that fits his mould.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on January 26, 2013, 11:22:55 AM: I am not a regular poster but a very regular reader on this brilliant site, this thread started October the 3rd and with not one genuine rumour 430 pages have been written, I admire everybody's stamina and dedication
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 26, 2013, 11:24:25 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Warnock, Scharner, Risse and Reo-Coker back in that side would probably be enough if money's so tight. My mate, a former international (albeit for a very small country) suggested NRC to me, I said 'he's crap'. He said yes, but he talks, points, bollocks people and tells them to do their jobs. Anybody else doing that for us at the minute?

Good point. Trouble is they're all a certain type of player (ie older with premier league experience) that Lambert won't touch. He's painted himself into a corner with his transfer policy, and him going to Lerner, and saying he was wrong isn't going to happen
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 26, 2013, 11:25:23 AM: I know at the end of the day money talks but given the way he left the club.
Would the powers that be accept having Reo Coker back?

I seem to remember him slamming them in the press for (allegedly) lying to him
and not offering him a new deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:27:46 AM: Quote from: danno on January 26, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
I know at the end of the day money talks but given the way he left the club.
Would the powers that be accept having Reo Coker back?

I seem to remember him slamming them in the press for (allegedly) lying to him
and not offering him a new deal.

Maybe. Pride comes before a fall. That goes for Greg's point as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2013, 11:36:09 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Warnock, Scharner, Risse and Reo-Coker back in that side would probably be enough if money's so tight. My mate, a former international (albeit for a very small country) suggested NRC to me, I said 'he's crap'. He said yes, but he talks, points, bollocks people and tells them to do their jobs. Anybody else doing that for us at the minute?

Not even Paul Lambert is doing that for us, by the looks of things.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2013, 11:37:18 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
Warnock, Scharner, Risse and Reo-Coker back in that side would probably be enough if money's so tight. My mate, a former international (albeit for a very small country) suggested NRC to me, I said 'he's crap'. He said yes, but he talks, points, bollocks people and tells them to do their jobs. Anybody else doing that for us at the minute?

I could do it. Doesn't mean I'm good enough.

I know we're heading for the Championship but why sign players that aren't currently performing down there,and one who isn't playing at all?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 26, 2013, 11:40:48 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
Just heard Micky Quinn say I know some one high up at the villa and he told me theres no money at the club to spend.

I hope you are wrong you fat c*** .
It was already practically confirmed when Lambert said there won't be new signings. You should give up hoping mate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:49:20 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Sharner, Reo Coker and Danny Murphy out of Blackburn would be enough. That is how pathetic our defence/ defensive midfield positions are. Add in Riise who is surplus at Fulham and you would be much better off and give the kids some good pros to learn from, unlike the pathetic effort of Stephen Ireland.

Anything to not let Bannan near the side in the next few months - his form has been incredibly poor.

I woulld have carragher for 6 mths. Experience and would talk to the players .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2013, 11:53:20 AM: Lerner is such an idiot, we're buried unless we sign players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 26, 2013, 11:54:34 AM: I posted on here about Murphy in the Summer. Obvious transfer. Also, loads of us wanted Diame and N'Zonzi etc. KEA looks a very poor decision in hindsight. As does Vlaar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2013, 11:57:11 AM: This is so depressing it really is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 11:57:52 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Sharner, Reo Coker and Danny Murphy out of Blackburn would be enough. That is how pathetic our defence/ defensive midfield positions are. Add in Riise who is surplus at Fulham and you would be much better off and give the kids some good pros to learn from, unlike the pathetic effort of Stephen Ireland.

Anything to not let Bannan near the side in the next few months - his form has been incredibly poor.

I woulld have carragher for 6 mths. Experience and would talk to the players .

He's not going to leave Liverpool to join a relegation scrap, he dose'nt need to. He'll finish his career there, get a testimonial thrown in and he'll probably join their backroom staff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 12:01:16 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Sharner, Reo Coker and Danny Murphy out of Blackburn would be enough. That is how pathetic our defence/ defensive midfield positions are. Add in Riise who is surplus at Fulham and you would be much better off and give the kids some good pros to learn from, unlike the pathetic effort of Stephen Ireland.

Anything to not let Bannan near the side in the next few months - his form has been incredibly poor.

I woulld have carragher for 6 mths. Experience and would talk to the players .

He's not going to leave Liverpool to join a relegation scrap, he dose'nt need to. He'll finish his career there, get a testimonial thrown in and he'll probably join their backroom staff.

I think hes had his testimonial already , but i agree hes unlikely to see this as a challenge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on January 26, 2013, 12:35:14 PM: It says it all when a lot of us would agree that any half decent defender or midfielder with top flight experience who is still under the age of forty would improve the side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 26, 2013, 12:46:49 PM: I know it says the word 'sources' in it, but it's from the beeb so why not.

Quote from: Auntie on January 26, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
Well-placed sources at Upton park insist Diame's release clause is 'considerably higher' than the reported £3.5m. It is understood Arsenal, Aston Villa and Fulham have been offered the player by agents but none have expressed an interest.

That would fall under what Lambert was saying, ie we won't even sign one player who's perfect for us and our situation because he might cost more than £3.5m. I have no words strong enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 26, 2013, 12:48:27 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
why we was not in for Diame in the summer I will never know , and end up buying KEA .

It's obvious... WAGES

I keep saying it, but we now pay Wigan wages, so we aren't going to get their best player looking for a pay rise.

It's obvious PL has his hands tied.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 12:56:28 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 26, 2013, 12:46:49 PM
I know it says the word 'sources' in it, but it's from the beeb so why not.

Quote from: Auntie on January 26, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
Well-placed sources at Upton park insist Diame's release clause is 'considerably higher' than the reported £3.5m. It is understood Arsenal, Aston Villa and Fulham have been offered the player by agents but none have expressed an interest.

That would fall under what Lambert was saying, ie we won't even sign one player who's perfect for us and our situation because he might cost more than £3.5m. I have no words strong enough.

Daime would be a great signing, but I would still want another one to break up the play. We are 2 strong men short in there.

Hopefully we will never see Given in a Villa shirt again. Nice bloke, but over the 3 games I am not convinced had Guzan started we would be out the cups now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 12:59:16 PM: If they don't sign anyone it is just a way of not adding PL wages for the campaign in a lower division next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 01:02:10 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
If they don't sign anyone it is just a way of not adding PL wages for the campaign in a lower division next season.

Sadly I think you are right. There are loan options though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 26, 2013, 01:03:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
If they don't sign anyone it is just a way of not adding PL wages for the campaign in a lower division next season.

Sadly I think you are right. There are loan options though.

Yes, the Frimpong thing seems almost unforgivable at this stage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on January 26, 2013, 01:03:49 PM: Shittu would'nt be the worst signing either.

For me , we have to get Clark, Bannan and Delph out of our team now, none of them are good enough, and preferably Lowton , Bennett and Westwood as well.

Now Baker or Dunne could come in, but that only leaves Ireland, Hutton and Warnock to come in, and i don't trust any of them.

Mickey Quinn has been talking about Villa all morning, and i'm afraid most of his comments are right, too many players not good enough, too many hiding.He said N'zog was our best player, don't know did'nt see it.

Unless we buy 2 central midfielders at the very least, we are down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 01:06:51 PM: Westwood and Lowton are good players, but need guidance and resting. Westwood with Reo Coker with him, leading him, would be better than Westwood mopping up after Bannan. Lowton could be taken out for a few games and Hutton given the odd game to rest him, but there is no let up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2013, 01:09:34 PM: He may be nearly as old as Lambert but I would bring back Mellberg, as others have suggested.

Just to have him around the first team would be a huge boost.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 26, 2013, 01:52:00 PM: Who in their right mind would join us right now? You'd have to be a mercenary looking for a quick buck, or a fucking idiot. Luckily most footballers fall into both of those categories, so there's still hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 26, 2013, 01:54:48 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 26, 2013, 01:09:34 PM
He may be nearly as old as Lambert but I would bring back Mellberg, as others have suggested.

Just to have him around the first team would be a huge boost.
He would be the only player at Villa old enough to grow a beard ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 01:56:09 PM: I've got to the point where I don't care. I no longer expect us to sign anyone and I fully expect a good kicking week after week until the end of the season culminating in the inevitable. It's like I've gone beyond anger, misery and now I'm at the apathy stage. I'm sure there is group I could join where the attendees all sit around a room discussing their situations while drinking cocoa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 26, 2013, 02:04:52 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 01:56:09 PM
I've got to the point where I don't care. I no longer expect us to sign anyone and I fully expect a good kicking week after week until the end of the season culminating in the inevitable. It's like I've gone beyond anger, misery and now I'm at the apathy stage. I'm sure there is group I could join where the attendees all sit around a room discussing their situations while drinking cocoa.

It's called defenders anonymous. Hello my names Eric and its been two corners since last being anonymous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 26, 2013, 02:35:16 PM: I can understand to some extent if there's no money for signings.
I can appreciate it's suddenly become a whole lot tougher to convince players to join us.

But I can't accept we're unable to utilise the loan market just to patch things up for 5 months.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 02:59:06 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 26, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 26, 2013, 01:56:09 PM
I've got to the point where I don't care. I no longer expect us to sign anyone and I fully expect a good kicking week after week until the end of the season culminating in the inevitable. It's like I've gone beyond anger, misery and now I'm at the apathy stage. I'm sure there is group I could join where the attendees all sit around a room discussing their situations while drinking cocoa.

It's called defenders anonymous. Hello my names Eric and its been two corners since last being anonymous.

Hanging head at his next meeting... hello my name is Eric.... and I begged a player that was bigger than me not to score again in my last game....

Sits down, with some whimpering audible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2013, 03:09:40 PM: If there is no money for permanent deals, why the fuck aren't we looking at loans?

Look what a difference Robbie Keane made last season.

If the answer is that there is no money for loans either, then we are not just fucked, we are dead and buried.

Finally, is it not worth considering playing Warnock again? Something has to change down the left hand side of the pitch because week after week we are getting mercilessly bummed there and there is zero sign of it stopping.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 26, 2013, 03:14:14 PM: I agree about Warnock, tho I must admit I never thought I would!
At least he seems to understand what football is all about, and may not have the pace but certainly has the physical strength and experience we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM: The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 03:20:19 PM: That goal Warnock scored against Bolton last season, have any of our midfielders even been in that position this season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 03:23:12 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?
Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?

And another thing... when we bought Bent, we were counting on the money that we knew we'd get for Young later. Can't we spend at least a few million now knowing that we'll get decent money for Bent in the summer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:25:48 PM: Goalposts being moved, I think. No wonder Lambert looks so fucked off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2013, 03:32:29 PM: It's madness not giving Warnock a go, and as paulie says if there's no money for loans then you wonder what the fuck has happened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 03:39:10 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?
Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?

And another thing... when we bought Bent, we were counting on the money that we knew we'd get for Young later. Can't we spend at least a few million now knowing that we'll get decent money for Bent in the summer?

Would we get decent money for bent though, i think we would get far more for benteke if we go down but id be surprised if we got much more than £8m for bent .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: steamer on January 26, 2013, 03:40:15 PM: How evil can Warnock be that he is not given a chance ?
Many of us slagged him off at times, but fuck he has to be an option if we have no one else.
Perhaps he fucked Faulkners,Mrs but he deserves a chance.
Maybe it is all clearer next week when we bring in 4 new players !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 03:52:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2013, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?
Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:20:02 PM
The issue I have with this zero funds line is... What happened to the £6m we offered Fulham for Dempsey on transfer deadline day? His wages would have been significant. Budget was there and not utilized, why can't Lambert use that now?

And another thing... when we bought Bent, we were counting on the money that we knew we'd get for Young later. Can't we spend at least a few million now knowing that we'll get decent money for Bent in the summer?

Would we get decent money for bent though, i think we would get far more for benteke if we go down but id be surprised if we got much more than £8m for bent .

I wasn't thinking we'd get much more than that myself, but we could buy two or three solid players with it. With Benteke and Weimann up front and Guzan in goal, we only need the other eight to be functional.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 26, 2013, 04:56:18 PM: Hasn't this thread been closed down yet, pretty pointless to me!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 26, 2013, 05:47:56 PM: As I stated on the Newcastle thread, Pardew has said that the new signings have made the existing players 'go up a gear in training.'

Why can the fuckwits in our club not understand the importance of fresh faces?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 26, 2013, 05:54:53 PM: achillies is right.

Shut the fucking thread down, it's utterly pointless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 26, 2013, 06:38:27 PM: Warnock is a crap left back remember.

That said rather than bring NRC back, Warnock could do that niggly, pointing, bollocking midfield role just as he did at the end of last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 06:43:09 PM: Sissoko signed a 6 and half yr contract with the toon , i bet his wages are high too, hard to compete for players if we are not going to match other clubs on wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Situation on January 26, 2013, 07:35:27 PM: I can't help but say we're a pathetic joke now. We'll lose by at 2 at home to Newcastle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:15:21 PM: Well at least in 5 days we can wrap this thread up- our torture is almost over.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villadelph on January 26, 2013, 08:25:35 PM: I hope we fight it out for Mo Diame. I know it's probably a load of shite but it's only a £5m release clause and he could do a job. He'll end up at Arsenal or Fulham if he goes. Not happy that Coutinho wound up at Liverpool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 26, 2013, 08:31:09 PM: Quote from: villadelph on January 26, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
I hope we fight it out for Mo Diame. I know it's probably a load of shite but it's only a £5m release clause and he could do a job. He'll end up at Arsenal or Fulham if he goes. Not happy that Coutinho wound up at Liverpool.

Better there than Southampton
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 26, 2013, 08:40:26 PM: Interesting report in the Mirror today (Yes, I know)
It said that when interviewing for the post after AMcL, one of the candidates was told how much he'd have to spend and what wages were allowed. Apparently he laughed, and said he didn't want the job anymore!!

I think Lambert's being given the rough end of the stick. Maybe he's not totally blameless, but it's certainly not all down to him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:43:43 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 26, 2013, 08:40:26 PM
Interesting report in the Mirror today (Yes, I know)
It said that when interviewing for the post after AMcL, one of the candidates was told how much he'd have to spend and what wages were allowed. Apparently he laughed, and said he didn't want the job anymore!!

I think Lambert's being given the rough end of the stick. Maybe he's not totally blameless, but it's certainly not all down to him.

I heard benitez and randy had talks which lasted minutes and they ended it quickly as the money available was a pittance of what benitez expected.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 08:48:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:43:43 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 26, 2013, 08:40:26 PM
Interesting report in the Mirror today (Yes, I know)
It said that when interviewing for the post after AMcL, one of the candidates was told how much he'd have to spend and what wages were allowed. Apparently he laughed, and said he didn't want the job anymore!!

I think Lambert's being given the rough end of the stick. Maybe he's not totally blameless, but it's certainly not all down to him.

I heard benitez and randy had talks which lasted minutes and they ended it quickly as the money available was a pittance of what benitez expected.

I heard that but it was'nt to replace TSM.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 26, 2013, 08:50:15 PM: The warning signs have been there for a good few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: j66acd on January 26, 2013, 08:52:54 PM: &feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sign him up. The passing and movement in this is amazing!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:55:45 PM: The money is there - have no idea why lambert is not spending it .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 26, 2013, 08:58:16 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 26, 2013, 03:25:48 PM
Goalposts being moved, I think. No wonder Lambert looks so fucked off.

A premonition about the Togo game ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 26, 2013, 09:02:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
The money is there - have no idea why lambert is not spending it .

It is? He's probably too stubborn to deal with other clubs and agents to negotiate prices and wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 26, 2013, 09:06:20 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
The money is there - have no idea why lambert is not spending it .
.

Don't know where your info comes from i have always thought that money was there but having severe doubts now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:18:29 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 26, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
The money is there - have no idea why lambert is not spending it .
.

Don't know where your info comes from i have always thought that money was there but having severe doubts now.

Edit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 09:19:01 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Sharner, Reo Coker and Danny Murphy out of Blackburn would be enough. That is how pathetic our defence/ defensive midfield positions are. Add in Riise who is surplus at Fulham and you would be much better off and give the kids some good pros to learn from, unlike the pathetic effort of Stephen Ireland.

Anything to not let Bannan near the side in the next few months - his form has been incredibly poor.

I woulld have carragher for 6 mths. Experience and would talk to the players .

He's not going to leave Liverpool to join a relegation scrap, he dose'nt need to. He'll finish his career there, get a testimonial thrown in and he'll probably join their backroom staff.

true but he aint happy. He wants to play
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on January 26, 2013, 09:22:44 PM: Is Randy cutting all costs and spending ready to sell up? Big gamble on staying up if so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 26, 2013, 09:25:51 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
Sissoko signed a 6 and half yr contract with the toon , i bet his wages are high too, hard to compete for players if we are not going to match other clubs on wages.

Pardew signed a 8 year one , they like their long contracts
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 26, 2013, 09:31:08 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 26, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 08:55:45 PM
The money is there - have no idea why lambert is not spending it .
.

Don't know where your info comes from i have always thought that money was there but having severe doubts now.

Edit.
PM your info you like? Don't get why he would have money but not spend it? Mental
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 26, 2013, 09:33:12 PM: I would defo go for Murphy and Risse. They'd add the nous we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM: Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:38:41 PM: Pelty at it again is he.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:39:16 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Pelty at it again is he.

Nope
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:40:52 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?

No clampy and this is the reason i cant be bothered to say these things, the cuellar thing was kendrick related.
Believe what you wish , goodnight all..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:41:38 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?

No clampy and this is the reason i cant be bothered to say these things .
But you still do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:43:20 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?

No clampy and this is the reason i cant be bothered to say these things,

Then don't then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:44:41 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?

No clampy and this is the reason i cant be bothered to say these things .
But you still do.

I dont think what ive said is anything that hasnt been said elsewhere in press conferences.
The money is there - believe it or not , your choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 26, 2013, 09:48:08 PM: Reminds me of Doug's famous list of targets.

Lambert said the other day that he'd made enquiries about players but wasn't able to do the deals, the implication was that it was down to money either the fee or the wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:48:33 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
Too many critics and sceptics on here when information is shared but paulie, maz and greg know where this is coming from and i trust them to keep it that way-

Ive heard again in the last hour lambert has always had money to spend in this window , he is the one choosing not to spend it so far , the money is there .

Lets hope he spends it wisely is what i was told a fortnight ago and also an hour ago.

Its no secret i would like lambert to be gone , but that appears extremely unlikely to happen .

Is that the same person who told you that Cuellar was re-signing for us again?

No clampy and this is the reason i cant be bothered to say these things .
But you still do.

I dont think what ive said is anything that hasnt been said elsewhere in press conferences.
The money is there - believe it or not , your choice.

I believe the money is there as well but i don't come out with 'i've heard in the last hour' bollocks.

As for the names you mentioned earlier, very interesting. Just saying like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:51:15 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2013, 09:48:08 PM
Reminds me of Doug's famous list of targets.

Lambert said the other day that he'd made enquiries about players but wasn't able to do the deals, the implication was that it was down to money either the fee or the wages.

Quite possibly so chris but he is not prepared to pay over the odds - i think sometimes if the player is right you maybe have to pay over the odds .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM: I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

No idea who any targets are or how much money but i think we are not talking about 2 or 3 million.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

Then why have you been slagging off Lerner since god knows when?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:59:06 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

Then why have you been slagging off Lerner since god knows when?

Because i am not happy with the way the club is run- same as everyone else.
If i was him i would sack lambert and I've no problem saying that .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 26, 2013, 09:59:10 PM: If you guys are right (good evening in the pubs hopefully?), maybe we can hope for a late pleasant surprising signing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 10:01:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

Then why have you been slagging off Lerner since god knows when?

Because i am not happy with the way the club is run- same as everyone else.

I think you should re-read a few of your posts on the Randy Lerner thread. You're getting yourself in a bit of a twist and not for the first time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 26, 2013, 10:05:40 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

Then why have you been slagging off Lerner since god knows when?

Because i am not happy with the way the club is run- same as everyone else.

I think you should re-read a few of your posts on the Randy Lerner thread. You're getting yourself in a bit of a twist and not for the first time.

You see this is the reason once again why i dont see the point in posting fuck all i hear again - the 3 people i mentioned earlier will all back up what ive told them in the past on several occassions but you as always clampy have to cause a stir.

If i want to criticise lerner i will do , - i am just saying the money is there and i heard that an hour ago - lambert is the one not using it .
Goodnight all

I am not a liar
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 10:08:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
I take your point clamps, wasnt meant to come across that way , but i had heard it in the last hour that was all-
Nothing top secret about it but the money is there for him- people are saying lerner has withdrawn funds promised etc but that is not the case .

Then why have you been slagging off Lerner since god knows when?

Because i am not happy with the way the club is run- same as everyone else.

I think you should re-read a few of your posts on the Randy Lerner thread. You're getting yourself in a bit of a twist and not for the first time.

You see this is the reason once again why i dont see the point in posting fuck all i hear again - the 3 people i mentioned earlier will all back up what ive told them in the past on several occassions but you as always clampy have to cause a stir.

If i want to criticise lerner i will do , - i am just saying the money is there and i heard that an hour ago - lambert is the one not using it .
Goodnight all

I am not a liar

Goodnight Eastie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 26, 2013, 10:12:54 PM: Goodnight all. Is the cat in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 26, 2013, 10:21:23 PM: Telegraph saying Warnock to West Ham free transfer, good business!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 26, 2013, 10:22:26 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 26, 2013, 10:12:54 PM
Goodnight all. Is the cat in?
Post of the night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM: Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 26, 2013, 10:27:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Pelty at it again is he.

Nope
Are we getting warm, Eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:29:06 PM: Warnock going to West Ham on a free transfer.

How much down the pan, inclusive of wages now Martin...

Anyhow... should free up a bit of wage budget. 2 20k a week players maybe? Or 2 30 where only a 20 could be got before?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on January 26, 2013, 10:29:48 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 26, 2013, 10:21:23 PM
Telegraph saying Warnock to West Ham free transfer, good business!
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Quote from: Malandro on January 26, 2013, 10:21:23 PM
Telegraph saying Warnock to West Ham free transfer, good business!

Lets swap him + cash for Diamme!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:30:40 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 26, 2013, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 26, 2013, 10:12:54 PM
Goodnight all. Is the cat in?
Post of the night.

Have to agree. I enjoyed it very much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 26, 2013, 11:23:26 PM: to be fair to eastie he has said there's money available to me over a week ago from a good source. Whether's its true or not is down to the person who told him and not eastie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2013, 11:25:51 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:29:06 PM
Warnock going to West Ham on a free transfer.

How much down the pan, inclusive of wages now Martin...

Anyhow... should free up a bit of wage budget. 2 20k a week players maybe? Or 2 30 where only a 20 could be got before?

that is hoping West Ham are taking on all his wages
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 11:35:55 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2013, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:29:06 PM
Warnock going to West Ham on a free transfer.

How much down the pan, inclusive of wages now Martin...

Anyhow... should free up a bit of wage budget. 2 20k a week players maybe? Or 2 30 where only a 20 could be got before?

that is hoping West Ham are taking on all his wages
Knowing PoroDwarf they wont by.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 26, 2013, 11:38:49 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2013, 11:25:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:29:06 PM
Warnock going to West Ham on a free transfer.

How much down the pan, inclusive of wages now Martin...

Anyhow... should free up a bit of wage budget. 2 20k a week players maybe? Or 2 30 where only a 20 could be got before?

that is hoping West Ham are taking on all his wages

Well if he's signing full time they'll have to. Isn't his contract up this summer anyway?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 26, 2013, 11:46:31 PM: Seems very stupid to give him free to a potential relegation rival unless it does free up money for wages for a new signing. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:53:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 26, 2013, 09:39:16 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 26, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Pelty at it again is he.

Nope

That was my first thought as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 26, 2013, 11:58:19 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.

Maybe the money is there, but he's struggling to get the players he wants, and won't spunk it for the sake of it.

It's an admirable stance, as long as you're not getting twatted week in week out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2013, 12:04:01 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 26, 2013, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.

Maybe the money is there, but he's struggling to get the players he wants, and won't spunk it for the sake of it.

It's an admirable stance, as long as you're not getting twatted week in week out.

Maybe that is the case, but it isn't what he's been saying in interviews lately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 12:05:10 AM: Well eastie's source said there's not much but there is some there. How much is anyone's guess. "vital he spends his money well" is the quote i remember which hints at not much to me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 12:08:31 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 27, 2013, 12:04:01 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 26, 2013, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.

Maybe the money is there, but he's struggling to get the players he wants, and won't spunk it for the sake of it.

It's an admirable stance, as long as you're not getting twatted week in week out.

Maybe that is the case, but it isn't what he's been saying in interviews lately.

I know, and to be honest I'm fearing he's had the rug pulled a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:09:46 AM: I think there is a bit, and to be fair there must be for him to have been looking but not finding what he wants. Whether his expectation is too high for his budget is another matter, but I am confident his budget would get a couple of players capable of improving this team in the critical areas.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 12:13:38 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
I think there is a bit, and to be fair there must be for him to have been looking but not finding what he wants. Whether his expectation is too high for his budget is another matter, but I am confident his budget would get a couple of players capable of improving this team in the critical areas.

I'd say fuck whatever budget we have on three quality loans.

If we still go down, then at least we don't have them on the wage bill. Everyone's a winner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:15:14 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
I think there is a bit, and to be fair there must be for him to have been looking but not finding what he wants. Whether his expectation is too high for his budget is another matter, but I am confident his budget would get a couple of players capable of improving this team in the critical areas.

I'd say fuck whatever budget we have on three quality loans.

If we still go down, then at least we don't have them on the wage bill. Everyone's a winner.

Me too.

Plus NRC on a 6 month deal with the option of a 12 month extension.

Anyone seen/ verified if the Paul Faulkner appearing on Twitter is the real deal?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fergal on January 27, 2013, 12:18:26 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 26, 2013, 10:12:54 PM
Goodnight all. Is the cat in?
Yes but the Warnock is out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 12:36:50 AM: Well if money is there and he's not spending it he should be fired due to risking our entire future.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 27, 2013, 12:49:26 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
I think there is a bit, and to be fair there must be for him to have been looking but not finding what he wants. Whether his expectation is too high for his budget is another matter, but I am confident his budget would get a couple of players capable of improving this team in the critical areas.

I'd say fuck whatever budget we have on three quality loans.

If we still go down, then at least we don't have them on the wage bill. Everyone's a winner.

Me too.

Plus NRC on a 6 month deal with the option of a 12 month extension.

Anyone seen/ verified if the Paul Faulkner appearing on Twitter is the real deal?

Got a link to it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 27, 2013, 12:55:19 AM: I've been reliably informed there is money to spend too. A couple of weeks ago and apparently still the case.
Of course, it doesn't mean much until we see it being spent but there you go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 01:10:37 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 27, 2013, 12:49:26 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
I think there is a bit, and to be fair there must be for him to have been looking but not finding what he wants. Whether his expectation is too high for his budget is another matter, but I am confident his budget would get a couple of players capable of improving this team in the critical areas.

I'd say fuck whatever budget we have on three quality loans.

If we still go down, then at least we don't have them on the wage bill. Everyone's a winner.

Me too.

Plus NRC on a 6 month deal with the option of a 12 month extension.

Anyone seen/ verified if the Paul Faulkner appearing on Twitter is the real deal?

Got a link to it?

https://twitter.com/PFaulknerCEO

Not going to get into a debate on what is said until shown to be him or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2013, 01:17:00 AM: It's stupid and cack-handed enough to be real.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 27, 2013, 01:25:06 AM: Loved the way he in an around about way blames the club's woes on the fans because they wanted Lambert last summer. It's brilliant!
Though it probably isn't him anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 01:40:35 AM: If I see PF on Tuesday, I will ask him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 27, 2013, 05:02:54 AM: Well if there is money to spend (and i'm very doubtful of that) it clearly isn't enough as PL confirmed in his press conference when asked that either the fees were too steep and/or the wages demanded too high for us to afford.

So let's speculate the amount to spend is 4 or 5 million at tops. Quite frankly, we might as well give PL 50p to spend considering the market and what we need to sort ourselves out.

I get the feeling that there's a game within a game going on inside VP where the board are starting to put the pressure on Lambert with the usual PR bollocks about previous backing each Manager has received and PL being the fans choice while Lambert tells everyone he won't be quitting - and let's face it, why should he, forgo his Compo entitlement for people that have shifted the goalposts. I know I wouldn't if my employer did that to me.

Lerner and his team have such a consistent record of fucking up everything they touch over the last few years so creating a situation between Boardroom and Manager that is ultimately to the detriment of the club and it's supporters just seems par for the course these days.

I understand they don't mean to, they're just fucking useless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 27, 2013, 07:35:25 AM: Great news we are finally linked with two separate transfer stories on the BBC... several clubs in for Benteke and Warnock to West Ham on a free. Turn the lights out, someone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 08:17:46 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.

He never said there was no money , just that he will be careful and is not prepared to held to ransom on fees - i believe theres enough money to bring in 2 or 3 players not just one but i dont think they will be huge money signings .
I do strongly however believe there is at least £10m to spend and its down to lambert to spend it wisely.

No idea who he is looking at but we are looking to bring in 2 or 3 players .

Maybe we have another mon on our hands and the last day will be frantic?

As for first train to sackville risso - i so wish that was true but it is extremely unlikely to happen.
I share your frustration risso.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 08:33:20 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 26, 2013, 10:22:40 PM
Eastie, I applaud you for at least trying to remain somewhat positive re the money situation.

I am not sure what game Lambert is playing, but when were here before under GED we spent some money and ensured survival.

Last season we got Keane, but at that time still had a number of very high earners on the books and had a lot more points in the bag.

This season we are in a desperate state, and it makes no sense financially not to give Lambert 10 million or so to get a few players in. The club intimated to the press there was money a couple of weeks back through the unofficial channels.

This is Lambert IMO.

Surely if he was saying there was no money when there was, he'd be on the first train to sackville? Firstly for lying, and secondly so Lerner could let a new man spend it.

When did he ever say there no money? -only quotes ive seen him say are below
The manager is holding back on spending it , im no fan of randy but the assumption of no money is wrong .

Manager Lambert has money to spend during January on possible newcomers and believes club owner Randy Lerner's investment in Villa should not be underestimated during his six years in charge.
The Villa boss said: "I always speak to Randy. I've always had a good relationship with him.
"If you look at the years he's been here, I don't know how much money he has put in but it's a lot of money.
"If a couple of players come in during January, then great. But you can't fault Randy for what he's done for this club, that's for sure.
"January always gives you an opportunity to bring people in.
"We have conversations all the time and it would be wrong for me to say there is 'X' amount available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 27, 2013, 08:51:14 AM: Seems like we are after the Holy grail.

An experienced clever player, who will accept circa £20k a week or less. A team in our position is going to have to chuck money at people to sign em..if they're experienced.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 08:53:58 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 27, 2013, 08:51:14 AM
Seems like we are after the Holy grail.

An experienced clever player, who will accept circa £20k a week or less. A team in our position is going to have to chuck money at people to sign em..if they're experienced.

Could be right, i think we are having a problem attracting players to come here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 27, 2013, 08:56:50 AM: Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:07:57 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 27, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.

They say our love won't pay for Bent.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:13:36 AM: Who's after Benteke and how much money do they have?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:16:00 AM: Quote from: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:13:36 AM
Who's after Benteke and how much money do they have?

Take your pick arsenal, liverpool spurs all mentioned -

Aston Villa are being circled by Premier League vultures preparing swoops for Christian Benteke.

Tottenham, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have all been alerted by Benteke’s brilliant start to life in England with crisis club Villa.

Striker Benteke is one of the signings of the season, having already netted 11 goals – including a brace against Liverpool at Anfield.

Tottenham have so far shown the strongest interest, but Arsenal, City and Liverpool will also watch him carefully until the end of the season.

Villa would find it hard to keep Benteke if the club is relegated to the Championship and face a fight to retain the 22-year-old even if they stay up.

The news will spark even more worry among Villa fans, who have seen owner Randy Lerner cash in on Gareth Barry, James Milner, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing in recent years.

Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season and the Belgium international is determined to try to help Paul Lambert’s men climb away from relegation.

Benteke feels a debt of gratitude to Lambert for signing him from Genk for £7.5million at the end of August, but that will be severely tested at the end of the season.

His value has doubled in just five months in England.

Spurs are still pondering whether to sign a new striker this month and retain a long-term interest in Leandro Damiao.

But the club will assess their options again in the summer, when Emmanuel Adebayor could be allowed to leave.

As a child, Benteke grew up supporting Arsenal and manager Arsene Wenger admitted watching the player before he joined Villa.

With Darren Bent set to leave at the end of the season, Lambert will be desperate to keep hold of Benteke who signed a four-year contract in the summer. But he is watching Watford’s 24-year-old forward Troy Deeney just in case.

Despite Villa’s double cup upset last week by Bradford and Millwall, the club continue to insist they remain behind Lambert.

Lerner’s loyalty will be tested again, however, if Villa lose Tuesday’s vital relegation clash at home to Newcastle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 09:22:32 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 27, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.

What do you think this is, Miami Beach?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:23:24 AM: "Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:24:46 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
"Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season"

No way he would be sold anyway
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: j66acd on January 27, 2013, 09:26:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:13:36 AM
Who's after Benteke and how much money do they have?

Take your pick arsenal, liverpool spurs all mentioned -

Aston Villa are being circled by Premier League vultures preparing swoops for Christian Benteke.

Tottenham, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have all been alerted by Benteke’s brilliant start to life in England with crisis club Villa.

Striker Benteke is one of the signings of the season, having already netted 11 goals – including a brace against Liverpool at Anfield.

Tottenham have so far shown the strongest interest, but Arsenal, City and Liverpool will also watch him carefully until the end of the season.

Villa would find it hard to keep Benteke if the club is relegated to the Championship and face a fight to retain the 22-year-old even if they stay up.

The news will spark even more worry among Villa fans, who have seen owner Randy Lerner cash in on Gareth Barry, James Milner, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing in recent years.

Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season and the Belgium international is determined to try to help Paul Lambert’s men climb away from relegation.

Benteke feels a debt of gratitude to Lambert for signing him from Genk for £7.5million at the end of August, but that will be severely tested at the end of the season.

His value has doubled in just five months in England.

Spurs are still pondering whether to sign a new striker this month and retain a long-term interest in Leandro Damiao.

But the club will assess their options again in the summer, when Emmanuel Adebayor could be allowed to leave.

As a child, Benteke grew up supporting Arsenal and manager Arsene Wenger admitted watching the player before he joined Villa.

With Darren Bent set to leave at the end of the season, Lambert will be desperate to keep hold of Benteke who signed a four-year contract in the summer. But he is watching Watford’s 24-year-old forward Troy Deeney just in case.

Despite Villa’s double cup upset last week by Bradford and Millwall, the club continue to insist they remain behind Lambert.

Lerner’s loyalty will be tested again, however, if Villa lose Tuesday’s vital relegation clash at home to Newcastle.

Troy Deeney! Wow, he's a bluenose as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 27, 2013, 09:27:00 AM: Watching Troy Deeney is he.Would this be the Troy Deeney that was put away for GBH a couple of years ago.

What is the club coming to? Lambert wants to sign violent jailbirds now. Very surprised he didnt bring in Lee Hughes then.

We are sinking into oblivion.

Alex McLeish is rising in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 27, 2013, 09:29:34 AM: Next headline predicted...

'Please release me let me go'

Aston Villa centre forward......blah blah blah.......tells his mates he is confident of leaving, due to his £8 mil release clause.....

Turn out the lights
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:30:03 AM: I would suggest he's more than doubled his value unless we go down and are forced into a Birmingham style sale.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2013, 09:30:11 AM: Jesus.

So many people willing to fully believe some bullshit article in the Express.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 27, 2013, 09:30:23 AM: I can't see why we wouldn't sell him if we could, have'nt we already admitted that finance is more important than football?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:32:00 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2013, 09:30:11 AM
Jesus.

So many people willing to fully believe some bullshit article in the Express.

I dont think anyone for one second believes benteke would be sold this window, just idle speculation bollocks.
Sadly if we were dealing in facts this window we would still be on page 1 of the thread .
Frustrating .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:32:44 AM: I don't believe it, just making an observation about his value.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 27, 2013, 09:33:08 AM: I do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 27, 2013, 09:34:53 AM: Me to. He has hinted plenty of times that Villa is a stepping stone
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:37:24 AM: Quote from: frank black on January 27, 2013, 09:34:53 AM
Me to. He has hinted plenty of times that Villa is a stepping stone

Maybe in the summer and certainly if we go down , but for now lets just hope we get players in .
We have been a stepping stone for decades- most clubs are .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: russon on January 27, 2013, 09:37:31 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
"Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season"
we shouldn't have any probs offloading Ireland then, he hasn't even played for one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2013, 09:38:57 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 27, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
Watching Troy Deeney is he.Would this be the Troy Deeney that was put away for GBH a couple of years ago.

He just had a fight that he won handsomely. Most people who do that on a night out would be very unlucky to even be arrested. He was unlucky and has learned his lesson. Nice bloke, average player IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on January 27, 2013, 09:41:22 AM: Just read that we are letting Warnock go to WHU on a free - Lambert obviously confident that Bennett and Stevens can "go again"!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:44:43 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 27, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
Watching Troy Deeney is he.Would this be the Troy Deeney that was put away for GBH a couple of years ago.

He just had a fight that he won handsomely. Most people who do that on a night out would be very unlucky to even be arrested. He was unlucky and has learned his lesson. Nice bloke, average player IMO.

It say in reports that he kicked somebody in the head while they were on the ground. a) that sounds like something that would lead to a spell inside, but b) the ability to connect accurately with something on the ground instantly makes him better than most of our team, so sign him up!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 09:45:26 AM: Quote from: baddowvillans on January 27, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
Just read that we are letting Warnock go to WHU on a free - Lambert obviously confident that Bennett and Stevens can "go again"!

That's good, I'd still pay them to take him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 09:46:47 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2013, 09:30:11 AM
Jesus.

So many people willing to fully believe some bullshit article in the Express.

Quite.

Stop bloody quaking with fear, everyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 09:47:35 AM: Like I said if there's money to spend and Lambert isn't he should be fired. Let's not forget in the summer he only panicked into spending it at the last minute.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 27, 2013, 09:48:15 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 27, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
"Villa are not in danger of losing Benteke before the winter transfer window closes because he has played for two clubs this season"

No way he would be sold anyway

We are a selling club, so if the price was right he would go!
Only the fans seem interested in what division we play in next year!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 09:51:29 AM: If we've been watching Watford I'd also suggest it's for other players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:52:57 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 09:47:35 AM
Like I said if there's money to spend and Lambert isn't he should be fired. Let's not forget in the summer he only panicked into spending it at the last minute.

Mon used to be similar , waiting until the last day - didnt we sign 3 on deadline day in august?
Benteke, westwood bowery?

The players should have been signed by now - too many points being dropped while waiting around.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 27, 2013, 09:53:09 AM: For those lucky punters who have sky we on the sunday supplement next....second topic after Hazard booting ball boy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:54:51 AM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 27, 2013, 09:53:09 AM
For those lucky punters who have sky we on the sunday supplement next....second topic after Hazard booting ball boy.

Was on the tennis but i will switch - cheers pal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2013, 09:58:24 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 09:47:35 AM
Like I said if there's money to spend and Lambert isn't he should be fired. Let's not forget in the summer he only panicked into spending it at the last minute.

Sorry, that last sentence is fact, is it?

Concluding deals late in the window doesn't automatically equate to panicking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 10:00:57 AM: Well since we didn't look like we were going to do anything until after that Everton defeat, I suggest it does.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 27, 2013, 10:02:26 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 09:47:35 AM
Like I said if there's money to spend and Lambert isn't he should be fired. Let's not forget in the summer he only panicked into spending it at the last minute.

Mon used to be similar , waiting until the last day - didnt we sign 3 on deadline day in august?
Benteke, westwood bowery?

The players should have been signed by now - too many points being dropped while waiting around.

That's right, I'm confident we will sign someone.

If Villa go in for anyone now, their agent will be telling them to wait until the last day. Just in case a better offer comes in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 10:04:02 AM: That Paul Faulkner twitter is fake I clicked on it and the account is blocked by me ,it was posing as QPR account previously and linked us to Boswinga
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:05:16 AM: What about Bentley?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:11:02 AM: Bentley isn't the right type to help us out the shit. Did fuck all at Blues when they were in a similar situation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 10:13:05 AM: We need a couple of players in firstly as we desperately short of quality in the squad and secondly it would give the whole club a lift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:14:00 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
Bentley isn't the right type to help us out the shit. Did fuck all at Blues when they were in a similar situation.

Not the sort at all, another ireland kind of player and not what we need .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 27, 2013, 10:14:23 AM: Surprised it's taken our lovely media and Benteke's agent so long to start the bidding. We won't sell him now, but rather in the summer. We can't compete with the big clubs like Spurs anymore. PUKE.

I've just read that Alan Hutton is off to Real Majorca so it's not all bad. Actually, he'd be an improvement in our current defence.

A massive no to David Bentley.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:15:30 AM: Hutton couldn't make any improvement whatsoever. The only decent thing he did at Villa was that tackle on shane Long.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:16:37 AM: Believe me the money is there and everyone is waiting for lambert to spend it -

The Villans currently sit 17th in the league, but the 43-year-old is insistent he will only sign players who he believes can improve his squad.

“There is a chance of no signings at all,” he told reporters. “There is also a chance you might try and get someone in so it works both ways.

“We’d try to do something if I thought the people we could get in would make it better. But if we can’t do it and I have to go with the group that’s there, then I’ll go with what’s there.

“What I don’t want to do is fill the place with people I’m bringing in just for the sake of bringing them in.

“It’s the wrong thing to do for this club. It’s wrong if they’re no better than the ones who are already here. I have to bring in people I think will make a major impact.

He said: "That's the decision I've made. The football club has been in relegation battles for the last few years. This isn't just new on them because they've been in it for a few years.

"It's something we are trying to rectify in a different way and we will still go that way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:19:16 AM: Could be like the old deadline days under mon me thinks - bring on thursday!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 10:21:13 AM: Well frankly it's hard to believe that virtually any player playing top level football couldn't improve our side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 10:21:59 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:19:16 AM
Could be like the old deadline days under mon me thinks - bring on thursday!

You need to pace yourself. You may have tugged yourself dry before then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM: Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 10:25:52 AM: They'd both walk into our side on current form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 10:27:03 AM: Both could still be playing in the Premier League next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:28:26 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.

Saw routledge playing the other night and he looked decent against chelsea , in fact i was hugely impressed with swansea - look how much their side cost compared to ours as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 27, 2013, 10:28:43 AM: I'd be in for Paul Scharner on loan like a shot.

I think Reading have been linked with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2013, 10:30:35 AM: So would I it's a no-brainer, although it appears a lot of 'no-brainers' are making the decisions at our club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 27, 2013, 10:31:28 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.

Both players that were once deemed not good enough for Villa and released, just how far we have fallen!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:35:38 AM: We didn't release Maloney he wanted to leave. A Bid for him wouldn't be the worst thing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2013, 10:36:27 AM: He was homesick when he was with us, wasn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2013, 10:36:48 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
Believe me the money is there and everyone is waiting for lambert to spend it -
Only if one chooses to believe that the son of a director who didn't really seem to know very much about the running of the club before actually knows anything now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 10:37:30 AM: The way i'm seeing it is this. The money is there but not enough for the players Lambert wants. I'm not sure what paper i read it in now but Lambert was quoted as saying something along the lines of 'we've spoken to a couple of lads and clubs but financially we could'nt do it'. Now that to me suggests the following.

1. We've put in bids and they've been rejected.

2. We've had bids accepted but the wages were an issue.

I still think we'll see someone come in because it's a case of having to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 10:38:44 AM: Quote from: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
We didn't release Maloney he wanted to leave. A Bid for him wouldn't be the worst thing.

I suggested him a while ago. I might be wrong but i think he's just signed a new contract with Wigan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:40:39 AM: Quote from: Dave on January 27, 2013, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
Believe me the money is there and everyone is waiting for lambert to spend it -
Only if one chooses to believe that the son of a director who didn't really seem to know very much about the running of the club before actually knows anything now.

No idea what you are referring to but have you seen lambert on tv saying himself its his decision not to spend so far or read the quotes above from his conference ?

Maybe he doesnt want to bring in someone in high wages or who he doesnt think will gel with the group he is trying to build but to attract quality experienced players we need to compete with other clubs on wages offered.

With the clubs present league position ,maybe its hard to attract players of quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:46:21 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
We didn't release Maloney he wanted to leave. A Bid for him wouldn't be the worst thing.

I suggested him a while ago. I might be wrong but i think he's just signed a new contract with Wigan.

Another player blanked by mon - he did an article saying o neill never spoke to him during his last 5 months at the club , similar to sorensen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 10:47:44 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
We didn't release Maloney he wanted to leave. A Bid for him wouldn't be the worst thing.

I suggested him a while ago. I might be wrong but i think he's just signed a new contract with Wigan.

Another player blanked by mon - he did an article saying o neill never spoke to him during his last 5 months at the club , similar to sorensen.

Yeah he fell out with MON over a chance he missed in a game as I recall.Was a good little player for us and has been very good for Wigan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:49:34 AM: Quote from: achilles on January 27, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.

Both players that were once deemed not good enough for Villa and released, just how far we have fallen!
Aaron Hughes and Steve Sidwell would also walk into this team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 27, 2013, 10:53:13 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: achilles on January 27, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.

Both players that were once deemed not good enough for Villa and released, just how far we have fallen!
Aaron Hughes and Steve Sidwell would also walk into this team.

Maybe Tommy Hitz, NRC and Peter Whittingham.

Why not even see what Nicky Shorey and Luke Young are doing these days?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2013, 10:54:18 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 27, 2013, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: achilles on January 27, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2013, 10:23:32 AM
Yes, I'm looking forward to Wayne Routledge and Shaun Maloney.

Both players that were once deemed not good enough for Villa and released, just how far we have fallen!
Aaron Hughes and Steve Sidwell would also walk into this team.

Maybe Tommy Hitz, NRC and Peter Whittingham.

Why not even see what Nicky Shorey and Luke Young are doing these days?

Last time I saw Shorey, he was doing quite well against us for Reading.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:57:03 AM: Really think bennett could be a useful left sided midfielder .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 27, 2013, 11:01:19 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Really think bennett could be a useful left sided midfielder .

He certainly isn't proving himself at left back... at the moment!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 11:05:21 AM: Quote from: achilles on January 27, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Really think bennett could be a useful left sided midfielder .

He certainly isn't proving himself at left back... at the moment!

Good going forward but he gets caught out of position too much defensively .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 11:14:15 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: peter w on January 27, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
We didn't release Maloney he wanted to leave. A Bid for him wouldn't be the worst thing.

I suggested him a while ago. I might be wrong but i think he's just signed a new contract with
Wigan.

Another player blanked by mon - he did an article saying o neill never spoke to him during his last 5 months at the club , similar to sorensen.

Similar to how he hadn't spoken to Lerner for ages as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 27, 2013, 11:37:14 AM: Bloody hell. Whilst were at it let's track down Fabio Ferraresi, Richard Walker & Martin Carrtuhers. We need to move on...& understand nothing is going to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 27, 2013, 11:42:21 AM: I read an article the other day written by a football agent. In it, he was saying how quiet he and other agents have been thus far in this window. He then went on to explain the probable reasons for this being so.

It seems that early in the window, clubs that make enquiries for players are often quoted inflated prices, both in terms of fees and wages. This is because the agent (and selling club) know a desperate club (e.g. QPR) will panic, pay what it takes, and the other three parties all make themselves a nice little wedge. The more savvy club, however, will bide its time...

As the lull of mid January passes, and the window draws to a close, the balance of power shifts to the buying club. The player could miss out on his signing -on fee, the agent loses his bonus, and the selling club are in danger of paying an unhappy players wages for another six months. All of a sudden, those rigid figures quoted on Jan 1st become negotiable.

I just hope it explains the reason we're taking things to the wire - and to be fair we do have a history of playing the market this way - because it doesn't take a genius to know what will happen if we do nothing in the next four days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 27, 2013, 11:55:27 AM: Quote from: mr woo on January 27, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
I read an article the other day written by a football agent. In it, he was saying how quiet he and other agents have been thus far in this window. He then went on to explain the probable reasons for this being so.

It seems that early in the window, clubs that make enquiries for players are often quoted inflated prices, both in terms of fees and wages. This is because the agent (and selling club) know a desperate club (e.g. QPR) will panic, pay what it takes, and the other three parties all make themselves a nice little wedge. The more savvy club, however, will bide its time...

As the lull of mid January passes, and the window draws to a close, the balance of power shifts to the buying club. The player could miss out on his signing -on fee, the agent loses his bonus, and the selling club are in danger of paying an unhappy players wages for another six months. All of a sudden, those rigid figures quoted on Jan 1st become negotiable.

I just hope it explains the reason we're taking things to the wire - and to be fair we do have a history of playing the market this way - because it doesn't take a genius to know what will happen if we do nothing in the next four days.

quite right. Also speaking of geniuses Wenger says that 90 % of deals are done in final week of window. And that alot of activity happens last 48 hours. So expect to see business for many clubs that want players happen! There is also the factor of matches on Tuesday and Wednesday for all prem clubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 12:28:46 PM: Your right fernando - it tends to have a domino effect and one move can often trigger several others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 27, 2013, 01:27:13 PM: We used to hate him just being subbed on, but Robert Pires would probably be a regular in our non-existant midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 27, 2013, 01:30:38 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 27, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
We used to hate him just being subbed on, but Robert Pires would probably be a regular in our non-existant midfield.

*shudders*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 27, 2013, 01:36:48 PM: I participate in anything between six and ten auction sales a week. The January window is indeed an auction. While I agree the ones with the strongest nerves usually get the best bargains it frequently backfires.

On occasions because the mass of buyers holds back for last minute deals believing them to be less costly, the very pressure of everybody diving in at the last moment distorts the deals. Trying to explain it graphically the dynamic of an auction can be likened to a letter 'M'. Prices rise to a peak at about a third of the way through, then dip then rise again as panic sets in then fall sharply as only the rags are left unsold. The canny buyer works out in advance what a commodity is worth, what he can afford to pay and buys whenever that commodity is genuinely offered to be sold, not just to invite a bid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 27, 2013, 01:40:32 PM: We need 4 players, we MUST buy a central midfielder who has some pedigree.

Knowing our luck, they'd get injured in their first game & miss the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 01:58:46 PM: Quote from: john2710 on January 27, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
We need 4 players, we MUST buy a central midfielder who has some pedigree.

Knowing our luck, they'd get injured in their first game & miss the rest of the season.
I woke up this am and in the dream I was having we had signed M'Villa and Capoue on deadline day, with the former saying it was his destiny to play for us.

Needless to say, I am not holding out hope of this dream coming true!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 02:01:24 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 27, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
We used to hate him just being subbed on, but Robert Pires would probably be a regular in our non-existant midfield.

heh. Cracking idea. We've never been the same since Bob "adapted-for-speed" Pires left.

*digs out black and white telly*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 02:09:47 PM: I was thinking too, surely there is a loan swap deal that could be done. Spurs - Bent for Huddlestone and Livermore maybe? Everton - Bent for Heitinga - you know clubs up the top in need of a decent forward give us their unwanted mid/ defenders and we swap the wages, so we are not too out of pocket.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 27, 2013, 02:11:46 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 27, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: mr woo on January 27, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
I read an article the other day written by a football agent. In it, he was saying how quiet he and other agents have been thus far in this window. He then went on to explain the probable reasons for this being so.

It seems that early in the window, clubs that make enquiries for players are often quoted inflated prices, both in terms of fees and wages. This is because the agent (and selling club) know a desperate club (e.g. QPR) will panic, pay what it takes, and the other three parties all make themselves a nice little wedge. The more savvy club, however, will bide its time...

As the lull of mid January passes, and the window draws to a close, the balance of power shifts to the buying club. The player could miss out on his signing -on fee, the agent loses his bonus, and the selling club are in danger of paying an unhappy players wages for another six months. All of a sudden, those rigid figures quoted on Jan 1st become negotiable.

I just hope it explains the reason we're taking things to the wire - and to be fair we do have a history of playing the market this way - because it doesn't take a genius to know what will happen if we do nothing in the next four days.

quite right. Also speaking of geniuses Wenger says that 90 % of deals are done in final week of window. And that alot of activity happens last 48 hours. So expect to see business for many clubs that want players happen! There is also the factor of matches on Tuesday and Wednesday for all prem clubs.

How about making the January transfer window last just one week in the middle of the month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nodge on January 27, 2013, 02:17:47 PM: I've heard we're after a player from British Columbia called Wiggo Agenne. He's half Scottish half Sagittariun.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 27, 2013, 02:18:49 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 27, 2013, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: john2710 on January 27, 2013, 01:40:32 PM
We need 4 players, we MUST buy a central midfielder who has some pedigree.

Knowing our luck, they'd get injured in their first game & miss the rest of the season.
I woke up this am and in the dream I was having we had signed M'Villa and Capoue on deadline day, with the former saying it was his destiny to play for us.

Needless to say, I am not holding out hope of this dream coming true!

Crikey.

Were you on the cheese board last night?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 27, 2013, 02:20:30 PM: Or crack pipe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 03:06:55 PM: Aston Villa face a classic six-pointer against Newcastle on Tuesday and I already fear the worst, writes the Sunday People columnist Stan Collymore.

The Toon have signed three Frenchman – and the way Villa are heading at the moment, that new trio will probably turn in performances reminiscent of Michel Platini, Zinedine Zidane and Alain Giresse!

I’m seriously concerned about how Villa are going to turn things around because I just don’t see any leaders in the team.

In-game management is vital to get through certain periods of a match, but I don’t see anybody telling the kids in this side how to cope with certain scenarios that crop up in games.

Last summer, I played for the English press in a game against the Ukraine press.

Our lot were running around like headless chickens, but I played in midfield and made sure everyone just focused on keeping the ball.

A few didn’t like it and asked me why I kept shouting at the them – but it worked and we won the game 3-0.

A team like Villa should have obvious figures to do the same thing for them, but I just don’t see it.

They are in a relegation scrap and I want answers from senior management now – and I mean people above manager Paul Lambert – about how they think this messy situation is going to end in anything but the drop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2013, 03:18:19 PM: Collymore in midfield actually doesn't sound unreasonable at the moment.
Come on Stan, be the hero you were meant to be fifteen chuffing years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 27, 2013, 03:21:26 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 27, 2013, 03:18:19 PM
Collymore in midfield actually doesn't sound unreasonable at the moment.
Come on Stan, be the hero you were meant to be fifteen chuffing years ago.
Well I am getting on a lot but quite prepared to stand in the centre circle and rant at them, to be honest that is what I am doing from the lower Holte anyway. I won't demand a salary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 27, 2013, 03:28:31 PM: Can we just re sign Lee Hendrie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 27, 2013, 03:34:14 PM: All I could think of when reading that, was Martin Samuel being picked last and put in goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2013, 03:43:14 PM: Quote from: danno on January 27, 2013, 03:34:14 PM
All I could think of when reading that, was Martin Samuel being picked last and put in goal.

kit man
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM: The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 27, 2013, 03:50:06 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 27, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
Can we just re sign Lee Hendrie?

How about that Serbian reality TV star, Sasa Curcic ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 27, 2013, 03:50:34 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.

I read that as meaning in the summer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 27, 2013, 03:51:01 PM: We cannot sell him now as played for 2 teams already this season but I think he will be gone in the summer whatever division we are in as we are a selling club now/currently
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 03:51:50 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.

When we do sell him, I would hope that the money would immediately be spent on a top striker. That won't happen of course.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 03:52:27 PM: Quote from: Mark H on January 27, 2013, 03:51:01 PM
We cannot sell him now as played for 2 teams already this season but I think he will be gone in the summer whatever division we are in as we are a selling club now/currently

I think he would only go in the summer if he asks to leave , unless relegated of course.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 27, 2013, 03:55:31 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.

Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 04:00:18 PM: They're all be going in the summer if we go down (well the decent ones). Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Probably be going if we stay up with this board.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:03:39 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 04:00:18 PM
They're all be going in the summer if we go down (well the decent ones). Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Probably be going if we stay up with this board.

Possibly right greg but i think if we stay up they would not want to lose benteke, he would maybe have to force the issue
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 27, 2013, 04:13:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 04:00:18 PM
They're all be going in the summer if we go down (well the decent ones). Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Probably be going if we stay up with this board.

Possibly right greg but i think if we stay up they would not want to lose benteke, he would maybe have to force the issue

I think they'd be doing every thing they possibly can to get rid of him, the financial situation is bad enough without the money we'll lose by going down.
I think we'd be looking at a fire sale and a small one at that, we haven't got a lot of quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:17:11 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 27, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:03:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 27, 2013, 04:00:18 PM
They're all be going in the summer if we go down (well the decent ones). Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Probably be going if we stay up with this board.

Possibly right greg but i think if we stay up they would not want to lose benteke, he would maybe have to force the issue

I think they'd be doing every thing they possibly can to get rid of him, the financial situation is bad enough without the money we'll lose by going down.
I think we'd be looking at a fire sale and a small one at that, we haven't got a lot of quality.

If we go down he will go , but if we survive we may get another year from the beast.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 27, 2013, 04:30:14 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.

When we do sell him, I would hope that the money would immediately be spent on a top striker. That won't happen of course.

And how do you think we could attract a top striker after selling Benteke? Why sell one then try to buy another?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 04:34:42 PM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on January 27, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 27, 2013, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 27, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
The BBC gossip says a few clubs are after Benteke. If we sell him this week the lot of them can feck off.

When we do sell him, I would hope that the money would immediately be spent on a top striker. That won't happen of course.

And how do you think we could attract a top striker after selling Benteke? Why sell one then try to buy another?

I don't think we can attract one. That's one reason why I said it won't happen, the other reason being that Lerner would pocket the money anyway. They won't have any say about selling him or not. If a few clubs want him, he will go to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 04:38:14 PM: Arsenal fan at work just came over and said: "have you got a player called Benneker or something? Is he any good? Do you think we should buy him?"

To which I replied: "Go and fuck yourself" without any suggestion that I was joking.

I hate this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM: I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 27, 2013, 05:02:33 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!

Things will never get that bad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 27, 2013, 05:03:38 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!

I'd never, ever do that. Villa always.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 05:05:14 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 27, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!

I'd never, ever do that. Villa always.

Absolutley. It's a waste of time wearing your colours if you're going to do that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:06:39 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 27, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 27, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!

I'd never, ever do that. Villa always.

Absolutley. It's a waste of time wearing your colours if you're going to do that.

Was a lad i knew anyway and very much in jest .
There was lots of banter flying about but having given it in the past sometimes you just have to take it .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 27, 2013, 05:10:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 27, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I've developed the habit of saying I don't really follow football.

That normally makes the part timers babble their inane shit at someone else.

I had to play the old alf garnett one when spotted in claret and blue last weds- west ham mate!

I'd have gone for a fake northern accent and professing my love for Burnley
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:16:11 PM: Has warnock definitely gone to west ham?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:25:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Has warnock definitely gone to west ham?

No
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:26:03 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Has warnock definitely gone to west ham?

No

Is it off or still likely spangley ?
I guess he played under big sam at blackburn so could be a good move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 27, 2013, 05:28:47 PM: The FA fax machine is asleep on a Sunday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:29:32 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Has warnock definitely gone to west ham?

No

Is it off or still likely spangley ?

I am not sure, if the club release him on a free he may but if the club want a fee he will wait until July but it will depend on what he wants in wages/offers he gets.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:33:30 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on January 27, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 27, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Has warnock definitely gone to west ham?

No

Is it off or still likely spangley ?

I am not sure, if the club release him on a free he may but if the club want a fee he will wait until July but it will depend on what he wants in wages/offers he gets.......

Cheers pal, cant see a fee being involved , best just let him go and cut our losses .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 27, 2013, 05:33:40 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 27, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Arsenal fan at work just came over and said: "have you got a player called Benneker or something? Is he any good? Do you think we should buy him?"

To which I replied: "Go and fuck yourself" without any suggestion that I was joking.

I hate this.

Ouch. Is this him:
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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 27, 2013, 05:44:55 PM: Quote from: Mark H on January 27, 2013, 03:51:01 PM
We cannot sell him now as played for 2 teams already this season but I think he will be gone in the summer whatever division we are in as we are a selling club now/currently

We know that means fuck all now, Frimpong has gone to his third club this season Fulham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 27, 2013, 06:24:52 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 27, 2013, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Mark H on January 27, 2013, 03:51:01 PM
We cannot sell him now as played for 2 teams already this season but I think he will be gone in the summer whatever division we are in as we are a selling club now/currently

We know that means fuck all now, Frimpong has gone to his third club this season Fulham.

Not sure if it matters with a loan deal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 27, 2013, 06:36:25 PM: Apologies for posting here but we have suffered all month - time for some light relief-

- Jonjo Shelvey comes over all emotional as Liverpool are dumped out of the FA Cup by Oldham Athletic. http://t.co/E9Kg9DHx
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 27, 2013, 07:24:15 PM: We'll be fine!

http://twitpic.com/byijhh
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 27, 2013, 07:43:45 PM: Lot of Prem teams gone out to lower division sides. Millwall are one of the higher placed ones as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM: If we end up not buying anyone due to funds then really he should have sold Bent to fund a couple of signings. No doubt this has been said on one for the previous 446 pages though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2013, 09:42:48 PM: Quote from: London Villan on January 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
If we end up not buying anyone due to funds then really he should have sold Bent to fund a couple of signings. No doubt this has been said on one for the previous 446 pages though.
You need a willing buyer for that to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 09:53:08 PM: I think he will go at end of Window
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2013, 09:55:33 PM: Bent being sold on Thursday, with no time to buy anyone, will sum up the current goings on at the club perfectly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 10:02:21 PM: Usually I would say he wouldnt be let go if we couldnt get in our own players , but suspect some truth in this rumour of us owing Sunderland cash if he plays in League again.Twitter rumblings are Everton (loan) Soton and Stoke are interested.I can see him going Stoke ,if they sell Kenwyne Jones to Swansea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 27, 2013, 10:08:59 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 10:02:21 PM
Usually I would say he wouldnt be let go if we couldnt get in our own players , but suspect some truth in this rumour of us owing Sunderland cash if he plays in League again.Twitter rumblings are Everton (loan) Soton and Stoke are interested.I can see him going Stoke ,if they sell Kenwyne Jones to Swansea

Never to Soton . suicide
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 27, 2013, 11:05:34 PM: Well, if this is right, it would free up a chunk of the wage bill.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-alan-1559509 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-alan-1559509)

If Randy's coming over early this week armed with his cheque book, maybe there's still hope of bringing in one or two.

I live in hope. We all need hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2013, 11:11:43 PM: If Hutton is on 40k a week then PF needs his P45.FFS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 27, 2013, 11:27:22 PM: That would be the same PF that gave a 35 year-old a 5-year contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 28, 2013, 12:19:07 AM: Randy clearly does not give a fuck if Aston Villa gets relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 08:50:05 AM: I don't believe that for one second. However, there needs to be some decisive action from the club right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 08:56:21 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
I don't believe that for one second. However, there needs to be some decisive action from the club right now.

I don't buy that either Maz. His past investment says he might be misguided, but I think he likes to let his managers get on with it, but you are right, he needs to come and tell Lambert to get the bodies we need now.

I would still take Palacios off Stoke on loan. And Upson at the back. In fact, a swap of those 2 on loan for Bent who Lambert seems to refuse to play, might do us some good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 09:07:46 AM: I dont think there's any need to move Bent on yet.
Get Hutton and Warnock off the wage bill and use the money that we have to get a couple of decent players in.

Good players are heading from Europe to clubs that are struggling in this league. There's no good reason I can thnk of why we cant get two or three in.
I think we're heading for last day drama again personally. Like we did in the summer.
When there's no more room to manoeuvre, when the games of bluff and counter bluff are done with you have two choices: Do or do not. We'll see how it really is on Thursday.

Hopefully it won't be case of '5 to 2am: grab a fat'n, she'll do'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 28, 2013, 09:17:17 AM: Look at the transfers so far and the silly contracts Newcastle are handing out to get players, on the last day if a player from Europe or the lower divisions want to be paid more than they're getting and play in the prem (for the present) then they will come, without the competition from Arry and hia mates. I wish posters would stop saying Lerner doesn't care, he may not be the owner we wished for but he's not that big a fool.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:18:04 AM: I think we will see 2 or 3 new players in this week - its vital that he gets the right players in -the money is there , spend it wisely and it could give us a major lift.

I agree maz , thursday will probably the day it all happens , 3 on deadline day last august and maybe 3 this time as well- so so vital that he chooses the right players though!

Lerner provides the cash - its lambert who spends it so a bit harsh blaming lerner because the manager hasn't spent yet.

Lerner is to blame for many other things though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM: I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 28, 2013, 09:28:00 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
I dont think there's any need to move Bent on yet.
Get Hutton and Warnock off the wage bill and use the money that we have to get a couple of decent players in.

Good players are heading from Europe to clubs that are struggling in this league. There's no good reason I can thnk of why we cant get two or three in.
I think we're heading for last day drama again personally. Like we did in the summer.
When there's no more room to manoeuvre, when the games of bluff and counter bluff are done with you have two choices: Do or do not. We'll see how it really is on Thursday.

Hopefully it won't be case of '5 to 2am: grab a fat'n, she'll do'.

Haven't we already got Dunney?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 09:28:19 AM: Come on Villa get a moving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:28:27 AM: I know there is a full premier programme midweek , is there a full league fixture programme too?
With teams in action it adds to the complications .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:34:16 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Hope you are right Clampy but we are cutting it fine. We need points now. New blood comes in on Thursday and then they are ready for a tonking at Everton ? Not ideal is it really ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:40:49 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Hope you are right Clampy but we are cutting it fine. We need points now. New blood comes in on Thursday and then they are ready for a tonking at Everton ? Not ideal is it really ?

Not ideal dan, should have been in earlier but i guess better late than never - im sure you will enjoy an afternoon in the sun with a cool pint on saturday while watching our new signings tear the toffees apart.

Will be over next year mate so we will have a few pints and a catch up, lets hope we are still in premiership.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:44:07 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Hope you are right Clampy but we are cutting it fine. We need points now. New blood comes in on Thursday and then they are ready for a tonking at Everton ? Not ideal is it really ?

I hope i'm right as well although two is not really enough. No it's not ideal but i suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:46:33 AM: I think more likely three will come in - im hoping for some premier experience there though - not all lower league players.

We want players who can step in straight away and make a difference, not players who need time to adapt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM: IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 28, 2013, 09:49:51 AM: There will be 2 decent signings. I hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:49:57 AM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.

Couldnt agree more - o neill was the same often waiting till the last minute- the points dropped this month may already cost us .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:50:20 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Hope you are right Clampy but we are cutting it fine. We need points now. New blood comes in on Thursday and then they are ready for a tonking at Everton ? Not ideal is it really ?

Not ideal dan, should have been in earlier but i guess better late than never - im sure you will enjoy an afternoon in the sun with a cool pint on saturday while watching our new signings tear the toffees apart.

Will be over next year mate so we will have a few pints and a catch up, lets hope we are still in premiership.
I will be drinking boiled bulls piss and spitting flames if we don't win again mate. Will catch up when you get here, and although it will be close, i think we will survive. Bloody hope so. UTV
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:53:02 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 28, 2013, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
I reckon we'll have a couple in at least.
Hope you are right Clampy but we are cutting it fine. We need points now. New blood comes in on Thursday and then they are ready for a tonking at Everton ? Not ideal is it really ?

Not ideal dan, should have been in earlier but i guess better late than never - im sure you will enjoy an afternoon in the sun with a cool pint on saturday while watching our new signings tear the toffees apart.

Will be over next year mate so we will have a few pints and a catch up, lets hope we are still in premiership.
I will be drinking boiled bulls piss and spitting flames if we don't win again mate. Will catch up when you get here, and although it will be close, i think we will survive. Bloody hope so. UTV

Yep, last minute winner at wigan to keep us up with a wayward bannan shot deflected in off phil dowds arse!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 28, 2013, 09:58:45 AM: Where has this optimism come from?

There has been no communication with fans as game after game goes by and day after day in the transfer window.

If we were serious the likes of Sissoko would be in claret and blue for the Newcastle game. We're only one point worse off than theya re yet they have gone out and brought in good players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 28, 2013, 10:05:22 AM: Oh look, there's a fire. We'll have to see if we can put it out, but we don't want to make things any worse by putting it out. Maybe we'll put it out later. Don't expect us to put it all out. But we'll try to do something about putting it out, maybe see how things go and then put it out if we can. We might end up putting it out and getting burnt anyway. We'll have to see about putting it out.

JUST PUT THE FUCKING FIRE OUT ALREADY!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:06:26 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.

Couldnt agree more - o neill was the same often waiting till the last minute- the points dropped this month may already cost us .

Presuming we do sign a player or two, that doesn't mean we've been spending all month working on that deal. I said at the start of the window that if you offered me Titus Bramble now or Lescott on 31st Jan, I'd choose Lescott every time. But if Bramble does rock up to B6 this week, that doesn't mean we've been chasing him all month and could easily have been working on Lescott for ages and had to move on to option B as it wasn't going to happen.

What I'm getting it is that whoever comes in, if anyone does, is not the whole story of what's been going on behind closed doors this month.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:12:41 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.

Couldnt agree more - o neill was the same often waiting till the last minute- the points dropped this month may already cost us .

Presuming we do sign a player or two, that doesn't mean we've been spending all month working on that deal. I said at the start of the window that if you offered me Titus Bramble now or Lescott on 31st Jan, I'd choose Lescott every time. But if Bramble does rock up to B6 this week, that doesn't mean we've been chasing him all month and could easily have been working on Lescott for ages and had to move on to option B as it wasn't going to happen.

What I'm getting it is that whoever comes in, if anyone does, is not the whole story of what's been going on behind closed doors this month.

This is most likely the long and short of it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:16:00 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.

Couldnt agree more - o neill was the same often waiting till the last minute- the points dropped this month may already cost us .

Presuming we do sign a player or two, that doesn't mean we've been spending all month working on that deal. I said at the start of the window that if you offered me Titus Bramble now or Lescott on 31st Jan, I'd choose Lescott every time. But if Bramble does rock up to B6 this week, that doesn't mean we've been chasing him all month and could easily have been working on Lescott for ages and had to move on to option B as it wasn't going to happen.

What I'm getting it is that whoever comes in, if anyone does, is not the whole story of what's been going on behind closed doors this month.

Yes , these things often drag on a while, more deals get done in the last 48 hrs than the rest of the month- bluff and counter bluff but as the clock ticks down people have to reveal their hand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 28, 2013, 10:20:08 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
IF we do happen to bring anyone in now and it secures our Premierhip safety, then it just beggars the question, why was the money not been spent at the start of January? We might still be in the FA Cup, we might be going to Wembley for the League Cup and pushing on for mid table safety.

Couldnt agree more - o neill was the same often waiting till the last minute- the points dropped this month may already cost us .
And Houllier, and Mcleish....hang on a minute! It's almost as if it's a problem at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2013, 10:26:52 AM: This is a fucking joke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM: Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:29:53 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.

Probably means he has more room to manoeuvre on wages - pity the likes of sissoko have gone .
I take it warnock is off to west ham?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 10:31:16 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.

yep. what's the point of them going otherwise.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:35:28 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.

yep. what's the point of them going otherwise.

To get them off the wage bill if he's definatley not going to use them? But yes, their wages might push a deal or two through.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:36:21 AM: Warnock and Hutton going = Lescott's wages/loan fee for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2013, 10:37:06 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
I dont think there's any need to move Bent on yet.
Get Hutton and Warnock off the wage bill and use the money that we have to get a couple of decent players in.

Good players are heading from Europe to clubs that are struggling in this league. There's no good reason I can thnk of why we cant get two or three in.
I think we're heading for last day drama again personally. Like we did in the summer.
When there's no more room to manoeuvre, when the games of bluff and counter bluff are done with you have two choices: Do or do not. We'll see how it really is on Thursday.

Hopefully it won't be case of '5 to 2am: grab a fat'n, she'll do'.

One final check before you get in the taxi mind - sometimes it's not always best to share the fare
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:37:53 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
Warnock and Hutton going = Lescott's wages/loan fee for the rest of the season?

City wont let lescott go, they are a bit short of defenders .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 28, 2013, 10:39:56 AM: It beggars belief that you can be crap for a couple of years and rewarded with a contract in sunny Mallorca.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2013, 10:40:07 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
Warnock and Hutton going = Lescott's wages/loan fee for the rest of the season?

City wont let lescott go.

Agree - Kompany is booking prone and they still are pushing for League at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 28, 2013, 10:40:55 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.

Probably means he has more room to manoeuvre on wages - pity the likes of sissoko have gone .
I take it warnock is off to west ham?

I think, as Dave W pointed out in one of the threads, the details of Sissoko's contract at Newcastle points to the reasons why he was never going to be a Villa player this window!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2013, 10:41:36 AM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 28, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
It beggars belief that you can be crap for a couple of years and rewarded with a contract in sunny Mallorca.

I don't care - not a bad signing on paper though TSM could make any half decent player terrible.

Can we send Ireland to Timbuktu?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:42:33 AM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 28, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
It beggars belief that you can be crap for a couple of years and rewarded with a contract in sunny Mallorca.

I said the same thing to someone the other day. They're going to love him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:44:01 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 28, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 10:29:53 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Well Lambert has confirmed in the press conference Hutton and Warnock will be gone by the end of the window. Let's hope that does free up some money to bring in a couple.

Probably means he has more room to manoeuvre on wages - pity the likes of sissoko have gone .
I take it warnock is off to west ham?

I think, as Dave W pointed out in one of the threads, the details of Sissoko's contract at Newcastle points to the reasons why he was never going to be a Villa player this window!

The likes of Sissoko are just going to go to whoever pays the most. Remy is a good example.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 10:49:39 AM: Right surely if they're going we must have some room to manouver.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2013, 10:52:00 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
Right surely if they're going we must have some room to manouver.

Well 2m off the wage bill for the next 6 months would be a great start. Not sure if Mallorca would/could cover all Hutton's wages mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on January 28, 2013, 10:54:13 AM: We certainly can't let Bent go. Weimann and Benteke may be the future but I think Bent could be vital in keeping us up this season. Plus if he goes, the three clubs mentioned have been QPR, Fulham and Sunderland. One who we will definately be scrapping with and two probable rivals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 10:57:15 AM: If only one player can come in, the priority is defensive centre midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 11:00:17 AM: I can't see Bent going now as that would be a big deal and something would have leaked from 'arry, who'll either be after him or telling everyone who is!

Whichever way it goes, be it loans, young signings or overseas players, we need a CB and a DCM to help stop us leaking goals so easily. At least the CB should be PL experienced, but I won't cry if he's not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 11:01:06 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
If only one player can come in, the priority is defensive centre midfield.

On the presumption that Dunne's close to fitness, I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 11:01:14 AM: We must sign at least one player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:02:41 AM: And not some 20 year old from Div1.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 28, 2013, 11:08:39 AM: Scharner going to Sunderland on loan. Would have done a job for us for 5 months.

Oh well, I'm sure they've got someone else lined up...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM: I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:15:18 AM: Palacios would add tackle and energy in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:16:05 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links

I dont think we are looking in the bargain basement .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2013, 11:16:32 AM: Quote from: The Man With A Stick on January 28, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Scharner going to Sunderland on loan. Would have done a job for us for 5 months.

That is exactly the sort of deal we should have been looiking at.

They'd better have someone else in mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:17:34 AM: Not seen palacios for a while, last time i watched him he looked overweight and unfit - is he any better now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 28, 2013, 11:18:19 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links

Sent you pm gnasher!
I dont think we are looking in the bargain basement .

Eastie, is that a PM that is likely to cheer me up?! If so, can you send one to me, too!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:19:23 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links

Sent you pm gnasher!
I dont think we are looking in the bargain basement .

Cheers Eastie. Very strange goings-on....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 28, 2013, 11:20:27 AM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 28, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links

Sent you pm gnasher!
I dont think we are looking in the bargain basement .

Eastie, is that a PM that is likely to cheer me up?! If so, can you send one to me, too!

yes, its a picture of kelly Brooks tits
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 28, 2013, 11:21:28 AM: Ha! That would do it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2013, 11:22:00 AM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 28, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
I'm struggling to think of any names still available who are experienced down the cheap/loan end of the market. Think the papers are too judging from the complete lack of made-up links

Sent you pm gnasher!
I dont think we are looking in the bargain basement .

Eastie, is that a PM that is likely to cheer me up?! If so, can you send one to me, too!

Me too please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:23:45 AM: Eastie, with all due respect, if you have info you are happy to share, donate, become a GM and share it in the GM forum or do it on the main board. Telling people, on the transfer thread, you have PM'd them info is not a great thing to do in my opinion. It just creates a situation where others want to know and gets people on your back.

Thanks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 28, 2013, 11:24:18 AM: Kendrick says any new signings still unlikely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:26:56 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Eastie, with all due respect, if you have info you are happy to share, donate, become a GM and share it in the GM forum or do it on the main board. Telling people, on the transfer thread, you have PM'd them info is not a great thing to do in my opinion. It just creates a situation where others want to know and gets people on your back.

Thanks.

To be fair, when he has said something he's been slagged off on here for making it up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:31:39 AM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 28, 2013, 11:24:18 AM
Kendrick says any new signings still unlikely.

Nice to see lambert has made up with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2013, 11:33:11 AM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 28, 2013, 11:24:18 AM
Kendrick says any new signings still unlikely.

Christ almighty.

Words fail me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 11:33:12 AM: PL says no new signings in ..

Meanwhile Wigan , fucking Wigan one point below us are looking at 3 players.QPR bids in left right and centre , Soton with Strengthen. Sunderland are pulling away and have re inforced and Newcastle well they have almost a whole new team..

Still apparantly word from Lerner is to keep on fighting ....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:34:41 AM: Has Lambert said no new signings in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:37:01 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Has Lambert said no new signings in?

No- just nothing at the moment .
Time to worry would be friday if that were the case but cant see that happening.
As you said earlier maz , prepare for a last day rush.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:46:50 AM: His comments in the express and star about money are very interesting. He talks as if he has no money, then says there are people we were in for who have gone to other clubs. Something is not adding up, but I think Lambert is dragging his feet personally.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 11:48:07 AM: "To rebuild you have to first strip it back"

With an attitude like that we're f#cked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:49:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
His comments in the express and star about money are very interesting. He talks as if he has no money, then says there are people we were in for who have gone to other clubs. Something is not adding up, but I think Lambert is dragging his feet personally.

that's my reading of it. Crisis of confidence? Really think the job's too big for him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 11:50:21 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2013, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 28, 2013, 11:24:18 AM
Kendrick says any new signings still unlikely.

Christ almighty.

Words fail me.

Indeed without them we're buried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 28, 2013, 11:52:34 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
His comments in the express and star about money are very interesting. He talks as if he has no money, then says there are people we were in for who have gone to other clubs. Something is not adding up, but I think Lambert is dragging his feet personally.

Most likley it's the wages, Lerner has a cap on it and it's a lot less than Newcastle, QPR and Southampton are offering. Maybe even Wigan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 11:53:18 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 11:48:07 AM
"To rebuild you have to first strip it back"

With an attitude like that we're f#cked.

To be frank I can't see how this squad can be 'stripped back' any further.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 11:55:34 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
Eastie, with all due respect, if you have info you are happy to share, donate, become a GM and share it in the GM forum or do it on the main board. Telling people, on the transfer thread, you have PM'd them info is not a great thing to do in my opinion. It just creates a situation where others want to know and gets people on your back.

Thanks.

I have to agree if i'm honest but in fairness Eastie is not the the only one guilty of it. I get pm's from people on here from time to time about certain things but i tend to keep them to myself. It's easier that way and it's the way i'll always do it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 11:56:07 AM: Warnock and Hutton going at the end of the month will only mean that we've got rid of two high earners and not had time to bring in suitable replacements. I don't believe for the type of players we're likely to bring in it takes almost all month to tie up the deal. We'll end up with lower league players or foreigners nobody has heard of in the KEA mould. Those deals are hardly to be long drawn out contractual issues.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 11:56:34 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
His comments in the express and star about money are very interesting. He talks as if he has no money, then says there are people we were in for who have gone to other clubs. Something is not adding up, but I think Lambert is dragging his feet personally.

that's my reading of it. Crisis of confidence? Really think the job's too big for him

So do i, i think hes out of his depth, similar to mike walker when he left norwich for everton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM: what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM: If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:02:09 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.

Pretty good assessment i think maz.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:39 PM: "I have no complaints about having very little money to spend - I knew the remit when I took over," added Lambert.

"He [Lerner] hasn't washed his hands of this club but there will be no splashing out like Darren Bent two years ago [who joined Villa for £18m]."

"We can only go with what we've got."

If he is playing poker he is very good at it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:03:27 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.

Like playing poker with a mirror behind your back - everyone can see your hand, so making out you've got a royal flush is mental.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:03:49 PM: Quote from: villan1975 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
"I have no complaints about having very little money to spend - I knew the remit when I took over," added Lambert.

"He [Lerner] hasn't washed his hands of this club but there will be no splashing out like Darren Bent two years ago [who joined Villa for £18m]."

"We can only go with what we've got."

If he is playing poker he is very good at it.

Hes playing with our future - so lets hope hes not a busted flush.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:04:40 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.

Well if thats the case i definetely don't get it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:11:02 PM: Warning, the following quotes may take away your will to live.

Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has stressed he "won't walk away" from the club's battle for Premier League survival ahead of Tuesday's home match against fellow strugglers Newcastle.

The Scot admits he has not experienced a run like the one Villa are on at the moment - two points from the last six games and knocked out of two cups by clubs from lower divisions - during his managerial career.

When asked if there was any chance he would quit, Lambert said: "No. I can only do, or try to do my best. There's no chance I'd walk away from it.

"You have to fight like anything to get up. You pick yourself up and there's no point in lying down and accepting it. I've never had a run like this as a manager or been hit from pillar to post like this. It's an experience you take on board and you use it."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:12:31 PM: Sick of hearing him moaning about money- he spent over £20m and bought in 8 players only 5 months ago, many teams have spent far less and are doing much better than us - he spent more in one month in the summer than in his entire career at norwich so he should stop moaning .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 12:13:06 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.

Well if thats the case i definetely don't get it.
Your right Greg,the people saying he has money to spend,if nobody comes in do they expect him to get the bullet first thing Friday morning?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:15:17 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.

Well if thats the case i definetely don't get it.
Your right Greg,the people saying he has money to spend,if nobody comes in do they expect him to get the bullet first thing Friday morning?

He should have got the bullet 2 weeks ago- but extremely unlikely he will get sacked whatever happens - farcical!
How he can say on tv we dominated the millwall game is beyond me .he clearly seems to be deluded.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 12:16:21 PM: eastie make your mind up! Surely if you're confident we'll spend money you shouldn't be too worried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 28, 2013, 12:18:02 PM: I'm really starting to think that the job is too big for him and he's afraid of spending money in case the new players doesn't work out. IMO when you are a manager you shouldn't worry about money - manager should use as much resources as possible and given by the club, especially if the team is in desperate situation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:18:49 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
eastie make your mind up! Surely if you're confident we'll spend money you should be too worried.

He has the money - he MUST spend it.- he cannot be that stupid not to, it would be suicidal.
Said for a long time lambert should have been sacked - he has lost the plot.
I dont get this crap he spouts about only signing better players and not wasting money .
it would be hard to spend it on worse players , therevmust be plenty who would improve us.
I think he surely will spend it but fuck knows on who- i hope not some lower league unknowns.
While paul lambert is manager i will always be worried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:20:13 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.

Like playing poker with a mirror behind your back - everyone can see your hand, so making out you've got a royal flush is mental.

It's more a case of him making out he has a pair or twos when he actually has a prile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:22:47 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.

Well if thats the case i definetely don't get it.
Your right Greg,the people saying he has money to spend,if nobody comes in do they expect him to get the bullet first thing Friday morning?

I think whatever side of the fence you are regarding Lambchop's continued employment, you have to say the way the club is run under Lerner is baffling to the average person. It just defies logic so whatever happens in the next week, it wouldn't surprise me and i'm certainly not going to try to guess :0)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:24:48 PM: He said he was interested in certain players but they'd ended up at other clubs. That suggests that if he has got cash to spend it ant bloody much!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 12:25:26 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
"I have no complaints about having very little money to spend - I knew the remit when I took over," added Lambert.

"He [Lerner] hasn't washed his hands of this club but there will be no splashing out like Darren Bent two years ago [who joined Villa for £18m]."

"We can only go with what we've got."

If he is playing poker he is very good at it.

Hes playing with our future - so lets hope hes not a busted flush.

If true, then it's Randy playing wit our future and not Lambert!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:27:31 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
"I have no complaints about having very little money to spend - I knew the remit when I took over," added Lambert.

"He [Lerner] hasn't washed his hands of this club but there will be no splashing out like Darren Bent two years ago [who joined Villa for £18m]."

"We can only go with what we've got."

If he is playing poker he is very good at it.

Hes playing with our future - so lets hope hes not a busted flush.

If true, then it's Randy playing wit our future and not Lambert!

The pair of them have been an abomination.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2013, 12:27:31 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.

Like playing poker with a mirror behind your back - everyone can see your hand, so making out you've got a royal flush is mental.

It's more a case of him making out he has a pair or twos when he actually has a prile.

Prile is only used in 3 card brag. Trips or a set in poker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:30:34 PM: Roll on friday so we can kiss this thread goodbye, i used to think o neills windows were frustrating but this is worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:32:12 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 12:13:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
what was our wage bill in the last accounts? Something unbelievable i seem to recall, but there's hardly anyone remaining from the MON era now. Did they keep paying mental wages after he left? I don't get it.

I'm sure I'd heard that the wages situation was back to something like 50% of turnover now. Maybe I imagined that.

Well if thats the case i definetely don't get it.
Your right Greg,the people saying he has money to spend,if nobody comes in do they expect him to get the bullet first thing Friday morning?

In a word: no.
I think Randy will let the dice roll until the summer at least. I'm not even sure its the wrong thing to do either.
Lambert has been pretty good in his career to date. This is surely the worst situation he's been in but its not unsalvageable. He has to get his team back from the brink, he has to find motivation from somehwere and he has to use what he has to get the players in who can help.

For what its worth, I dont think he's ever been inspirational in his press dealings. He's not blessed with a silver tongue let's face it. So I dont expect anything from these media snippets. I expect him to do better away from the cameras though.

The task to me is simple: we're a few players and some restored confidence away from a decent team. It might be enough, - it should be enough, to get through this season avoiding disaster. Get the players in and cut out some of the daft mistakes.
There was some momentum building in november and december. Find that "place" again and get back on track.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:34:52 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2013, 12:27:31 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
If I had to guess I'd say Lambert definitely has money to spend, is playing some sort of pokerface with whoever is still left in the game and it may or may not lead to him doing anything. I reckon this "signings unlikely" thing thats drip fed out to an increasingly ostracised local press is part of that. I hope so because the alternative is awful.

He's playing chicken, making out he can afford to lose it but really he can't. He knows it and probably so do any agents that we might be involved in. Maybe the haggling/posturing might lead to an extra player if it goes his way. Maybe.

Like playing poker with a mirror behind your back - everyone can see your hand, so making out you've got a royal flush is mental.

It's more a case of him making out he has a pair or twos when he actually has a prile.

Prile is only used in 3 card brag. Trips or a set in poker.

Yes, good point. Although we still use the term sometimes when my lot play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 12:42:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Roll on friday so we can kiss this thread goodbye, i used to think o neills windows were frustrating but this is worse.
'Very little money'.PL in the last hour.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 12:43:48 PM: I don't think he can turn it around myself too far gone and I just can't see any positive signs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 12:44:11 PM: Let's say that Lerner was to give Lambert £20m to spend before the window shuts.. who the bloody hell would want to come to Villa anyway unless they had a relegation clause or a bloody great signing on fee?

The whole place stinks of neglect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:45:24 PM: re: Very little money. He's not going to say otherwise though is he? Especially now.
All he has ruled out is another Darren Bent type signing. Well, fuck me, that comes as a shock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2013, 12:46:22 PM: Lambert gives away nothing at press conferences regarding transfers (or much at all really) so it's futile to make a conclusive reading from them.

It's funny; reading his same quotes every time makes me want to punch him but actually watching the pressers on avtv and it's hard not to like him. A few self-deprecating laughs, body-language a lot more open than O'Neill who was equally cagey but that old pushing the glasses up the nose trick betrayed his Pinocchio ways.

Don't believe 'owt til 00:08 (allow for Mita Copier faxjambs) on Feb 1st.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 28, 2013, 12:47:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Roll on friday so we can kiss this thread goodbye, i used to think o neills windows were frustrating but this is worse.
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roll on May and have an end to the misery ] :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:47:06 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
He said he was interested in certain players but they'd ended up at other clubs. That suggests that if he has got cash to spend it ant bloody much!

Why does it?
We are not an exactly attractive proposition right now, i think we may well be able to match other clubs financially but players may choose not to come here .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 28, 2013, 12:49:40 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
He said he was interested in certain players but they'd ended up at other clubs. That suggests that if he has got cash to spend it ant bloody much!

Which goes back to my point a few pages ago, if we'd signed players in early January we would have looked a whole lot better to join!

Why does it?
We are not an exactly attractive proposition right now, i think we may well be able to match other clubs financially but players may choose not to come here .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 12:54:12 PM: I'm sure the "list" includes alternatives and if not, shame on them.
There are lots of good players who would be delighted to come here, I'm sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:54:31 PM: Hes spent far more than at norwich and has money now , he wasnt bleating like a lamb about money there - the money he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are now -.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 12:57:03 PM: If he has got money to spend and doesn't spend it then whatever is remaining on 1st Feb should be spent on flags. That should ensure a feel good factor and give the team a real lift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:58:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
Hes spent far more than at norwich and has money now , he wasnt bleating like a lamb about money there - the money he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are now -.

yep its not rocket science. replacing petrov and a decent fullback would have solved a lot of our problems. if he did replace them, then he got it wrong big time
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:00:29 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
Hes spent far more than at norwich and has money now , he wasnt bleating like a lamb about money there - the money he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are now -.

yep its not rocket science. replacing petrov and a decent fullback would have solved a lot of our problems. if he did replace them, then he got it wrong big time

I remember him spouting pre season how kea would have a big impression in the premier league and prove to be a great signing - really?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:00:58 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
He said he was interested in certain players but they'd ended up at other clubs. That suggests that if he has got cash to spend it ant bloody much!

It suggests to me that the players concerned were offered better deals at other clubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:01:55 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
Hes spent far more than at norwich and has money now , he wasnt bleating like a lamb about money there - the money he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are now -.

yep its not rocket science. replacing petrov and a decent fullback would have solved a lot of our problems. if he did replace them, then he got it wrong big time

I remember him spouting pre season how kea would have a big impression in the premier league and prove to be a great signing - really?

Well in fairness he's hardly likely to go, 'I've signed this bloke and frankly he's bollocks'. In any case I'm really hoping KEA might get back to somewhere near how he played at the beginning of the season, that'd help a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 01:03:22 PM: Everton spending £8.5mil on a midfielder ...remember the good old days when they where the ones with no cash ..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:03:40 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 28, 2013, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
Hes spent far more than at norwich and has money now , he wasnt bleating like a lamb about money there - the money he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are now -.

yep its not rocket science. replacing petrov and a decent fullback would have solved a lot of our problems. if he did replace them, then he got it wrong big time

I remember him spouting pre season how kea would have a big impression in the premier league and prove to be a great signing - really?

Well in fairness he's hardly likely to go, 'I've signed this bloke and frankly he's bollocks'. In any case I'm really hoping KEA might get back to somewhere near how he played at the beginning of the season, that'd help a bit.

I wouldnt hold your breath on that one pwa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on January 28, 2013, 01:04:24 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 01:03:22 PM
Everton spending £8.5mil on a midfielder ...remember the good old days when they where the ones with no cash ..

And still managed to avoid relegation!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:04:27 PM: Please Villa sign at the very least a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:05:25 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 01:03:22 PM
Everton spending £8.5mil on a midfielder ...remember the good old days when they where the ones with no cash ..

On who? Reading supposedly bidding for tom ince at £8m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:07:17 PM: I think KEA like a lot of foreign imports may need time to settle in. Some players gel into the premier league straight away, some others take time. We may well see the best of him next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 01:08:40 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 01:03:22 PM
Everton spending £8.5mil on a midfielder ...remember the good old days when they where the ones with no cash ..

On who? Reading supposedly bidding for tom ince at £8m.

Leroy Fer Dutch midfielder from Twente
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 01:10:34 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
I think KEA like a lot of foreign imports may need time to settle in. Some players gel into the premier league straight away, some others take time. We may well see the best of him next season.

This was very true of Petrov, so I', hopeful we may see something similar with KEA. It's certainly too soon to write him off as some seem to have!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 01:11:21 PM: There is a big difference between choosing not to spend the money,and only having 'very little money' and buying cheap crap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 28, 2013, 01:18:03 PM: Could do worse than Danny Murphy (playing well at Blackburn) and Jamie Carragher on loan till end of season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:18:19 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
I think KEA like a lot of foreign imports may need time to settle in. Some players gel into the premier league straight away, some others take time. We may well see the best of him next season.

I would agree.

The pace of the game is something he is struggling with, getting close to his marker and pressing the ball.

I would certainly rather have him as an option than not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 28, 2013, 01:21:06 PM: That guy Everton are aboyut to sign is very highly thought of so they might have pulled one out of the bag there ....

at this point all I can do is exhale very long and loudly and think what could have been ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 28, 2013, 01:22:31 PM: Tell you who I think would be ideal for us right now, and apparently available... Paul Scharner. Always rated him: very competitive, tough, fantastic aerial presence, scores goals, v strong from set-pieces, good stamina, decent passer. Bags of experience at this level.

Imagine him in our midfield, alongside Westwood. Would do a good job - give him an 18-month deal. He'd get us together.

Mind you, I've read more than one reference to Villa paying £20k a week.... if that's true (and who knows?), no wonder we can't afford anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 28, 2013, 01:23:29 PM: PS Re Everton, I'd be asking them if we could have Heitinga on loan for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 28, 2013, 01:23:43 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
I think KEA like a lot of foreign imports may need time to settle in. Some players gel into the premier league straight away, some others take time. We may well see the best of him next season.

I think you're right. The Championship's about his level.

Boom Boom
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:24:25 PM: Quote from: montague on January 28, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
Could do worse than Danny Murphy (playing well at Blackburn) and Jamie Carragher on loan till end of season.

Both would improve our side a lot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:25:46 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 28, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
Tell you who I think would be ideal for us right now, and apparently available... Paul Scharner. Always rated him: very competitive, tough, fantastic aerial presence, scores goals, v strong from set-pieces, good stamina, decent passer. Bags of experience at this level.

Imagine him in our midfield, alongside Westwood. Would do a good job - give him an 18-month deal. He'd get us together.

Mind you, I've read more than one reference to Villa paying £20k a week.... if that's true (and who knows?), no wonder we can't afford anyone.

Someone said earlier today hes off to sunderland - agree he would be a decent addition.

Thers have been plenty names mentioned on here this month and many have been signed by other clubs while we dally about waiting around - should have had 2 or 3 in well before now , even if that means paying a bit over the odds .
Lambert is playing a risky game and we are dropping points while waiting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 28, 2013, 01:26:53 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 28, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
He said he was interested in certain players but they'd ended up at other clubs. That suggests that if he has got cash to spend it ant bloody much!

It suggests to me that the players concerned were offered better deals at other clubs.

Confirmed in the Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2269552/Paul-Lambert-Aston-Villa-players-bleed-cause.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Quote
'You've got to go to war with the ones you've got. We have tried a few things and some people went to other clubs because the money was too much for us.'

'That's football, you have to work within those parameters.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 01:28:39 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:04:27 PM
Please Villa sign at the very least a defensive midfielder.

The frustrating thing is that we don't need that many players and a couple of decent loan signings would be totally adequate at this point. Surely Paul Lambert has enough contacts to be able to call in some favours and get a couple of players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM: I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:33:26 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.

Me too. Its not ideal but its what it is.
If we fail to do even this though, I will be fucking furious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:34:00 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.

Yes but its a risky strategy when in our position , we have dropped points and gone out of both cups - the players coming in on thursday should have been in two or three weeks ago- its a big gamble .

I think probably three will come in - lets hope they are quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 01:34:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: montague on January 28, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
Could do worse than Danny Murphy (playing well at Blackburn) and Jamie Carragher on loan till end of season.

Both would improve our side a lot.

Went with a friend to watch Derby against Blackburn on Saturday (more to try and forget our current woes than anything else) and Murphy was playing in that game. He's obviously not as mobile as he once was, but he never stopped talking all game. He just sat in midfield and was constantly talking to his players and organising. He's exactly what we've been missing and offering him a short-term contract wouldn't be the worst idea really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 01:37:46 PM: Why would he give up a longer term contract at Blackburn for a short term contract at Villa?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM: Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:38:59 PM: I'll say one thing regardless of whatevers this window I'm massively concerned by our apparent financial state. We have trimmed and cut the squad to a ridiculous degree. We are barely staying afloat. Where is our potential to progress? If we're not spending any money anymore things are just going to get worse. The cost cutting has to end or we will go under.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 28, 2013, 01:39:19 PM: Maybe not Sunderland - the Times north east guy, George Caulkin, said earlier that O'Neill is cooling on Scharner (and Zarate). No holding my breath though!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM: Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 28, 2013, 01:48:28 PM: Come Thursday at around 22.00 Randy will surprise us again.

The club will announce the signing of Barcelona's Lionel Messi for a club record 200mil

When asked where he will play him manager Paul Lambert said mumble ..mumble centre half! mumble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM: You may well be right, the impression I was given was that Lambert doesn't believe there is anybody out there of sufficient quality to improve the squad.

Yes, I know it's insanity.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 28, 2013, 01:49:42 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.

Me too. Its not ideal but its what it is.
If we fail to do even this though, I will be fucking furious.

Like the optimism but time's running out and the sounds from B6 are not encouraging
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:49:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .

If the restrictions on signings are so tight that Lambert is unable to find any player either willing or able to sign, then he cannot be held solely responsible.
As it seems now almost certain that no players will be forthcoming, you have to place the blame at the door of both Lerner and Lambert.

Either way the circumstances make me apoplectic, given our plight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:51:21 PM: Quote from: Boz on January 28, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.

Me too. Its not ideal but its what it is.
If we fail to do even this though, I will be fucking furious.

Like the optimism but time's running out and the sounds from B6 are not encouraging

Tick tock, if nothing happens then the atmosphere amongst the fans will turn very dark and rightly so. This cost cutting has to stop, Everton who have little money are showing they can compete. Why the fuck can't we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyellis on January 28, 2013, 01:52:54 PM: It is beyond comprehension that a club the size of the Villa with a billionairre owner have not got the wherewithal to protect our Premiership status and all that is associated with it.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:38:59 PM
I'll say one thing regardless of whatevers this window I'm massively concerned by our apparent financial state. We have trimmed and cut the squad to a ridiculous degree. We are barely staying afloat. Where is our potential to progress? If we're not spending any money anymore things are just going to get worse. The cost cutting has to end or we will go under.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:53:05 PM: Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .

If the restrictions on signings are so tight that Lambert is unable to find any player either willing or able to sign, then he cannot be held solely responsible.
As it seems now almost certain that no players will be forthcoming, you have to place the blame at the door of both Lerner and Lambert.

Either way the circumstances make me apoplectic, given our plight.

Lets say paul lambert has £10-£12m to spend and decides not to use it in the absurd assumption that he cannot find anyone good enough to improve us - how would that be lerners fault?

He MUST spend the money available !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2013, 01:54:13 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.
I'll have some of what you're smoking :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2013, 01:55:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:53:05 PM
Lets say paul lambert has £10-£12m to spend and decides not to use it in the absurd assumption that he cannot find anyone good enough to improve us - how would that be lerners fault?

Because of the maximum wage we are offering?

Besides, just because Pelty says there is money doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:55:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .

If the restrictions on signings are so tight that Lambert is unable to find any player either willing or able to sign, then he cannot be held solely responsible.
As it seems now almost certain that no players will be forthcoming, you have to place the blame at the door of both Lerner and Lambert.

Either way the circumstances make me apoplectic, given our plight.

Lets say paul lambert has £10-£12m to spend and decides not to use it in the absurd assumption that he cannot find anyone good enough to improve us - how would that be lerners fault?

Of course, but I don't believe it is as black and white as that. Even if he found them, he then still has to persuade them to come, given our precarious position and heavily restrictive wage cap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 01:56:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .
'Very little money' which bit of that don't you understand?
If PL is bullshitting us all the club have the right to sack him for gross misconduct.
How big is the hole you are spinning in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 28, 2013, 01:56:29 PM: Again, can we keep the quotathons down please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 28, 2013, 01:57:35 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: Boz on January 28, 2013, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
I am convinced we will sign at least two players.

When you have such a small budget and such tight wage constraints, you have to play brinkmanship. Come Thursday, there will be no other options left and our bids and offers on wages etc will be the best left for the players concerned.

I am convinced of this.

Me too. Its not ideal but its what it is.
If we fail to do even this though, I will be fucking furious.

Like the optimism but time's running out and the sounds from B6 are not encouraging

Tick tock, if nothing happens then the atmosphere amongst the fans will turn very dark and rightly so. This cost cutting has to stop, Everton who have little money are showing they can compete. Why the fuck can't we?

Probably because their manager is a seasoned Premiership one and he's more astute than Lambert, can motivate his players and find the odd gem in the transfer market.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:59:00 PM: I don't believe any journalist is being told anything solid but we'll see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 28, 2013, 01:59:33 PM: This Dutch bloke they are signing could well take just as long to settle as KEA has.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:00:24 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
I don't believe any journalist is being told anything solid but we'll see.
Another one on the Pelty PM list.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:01:22 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:00:24 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
I don't believe any journalist is being told anything solid but we'll see.
Another one on the Pelty PM list.

Piss off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 28, 2013, 02:01:33 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

From the horse's mouth (via Neil Moxley):
Quote
'You've got to go to war with the ones you've got. We have tried a few things and some people went to other clubs because the money was too much for us.

'That's football, you have to work within those parameters.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:01:36 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: NeilH on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Mat Kendrick on the Mail webchat said this earlier 'The noises coming from the manager again this morning were that signings were very very unlikely.'

I wouldn't hold your hopes out for new faces, based on this.

I'm certain we won't bring anybody in.

Journo mate of mine says 'No signings'

If true then lambert has to go- money is there.
If he does not spend whats available in the blind faith that this squad as he says "will be fine and not go down" then he should go.
I cannot imagine he would be that stupid .
'Very little money' which bit of that don't you understand?
If PL is bullshitting us all the club have the right to sack him for gross misconduct.
How big is the hole you are spinning in?

What is little money ?
£10 m plus is not little money lambshank - we will see at 11pm thursdy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:03:11 PM: That's nothing if wages are capped at 30-40 grand a week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:05:19 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:03:11 PM
That's nothing if wages are capped at 30-40 grand a week.

Cant be arsed to reply to you anymore -at least £10m and wages at 30k to 40k are week are nothing ?
You are the one talking shit if you think we cant improve the squad on that .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM: There are players you could get on that money which would improve us significantly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 02:05:59 PM: Eastie- is there any chance that you have been misinformed? PL seems to believe that we have very little to spend. I am guessing that 10m is not little in anyone's language.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:07:26 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
There are players you could get on that money which would improve us significantly.
Quite true but when you are down the bottom it becomes a sellers market.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 28, 2013, 02:07:34 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
You may well be right, the impression I was given was that Lambert doesn't believe there is anybody out there of sufficient quality to improve the squad.

Yes, I know it's insanity.

He did say the other day that he'd bid for players but they'd gone elsewhere. It's frustrating but I'm sure none of us want to see signings just for the sake of it, it's players to strengthen in specific areas that are required.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:08:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
There are players you could get on that money which would improve us significantly.

Exactly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 28, 2013, 02:10:06 PM: I've thought for a while Danny Murphy is someone who could help us out. Even in his footballing dotage he's probably no less mobile than a few of our midfielders, who look like they're running through treacle half the time. Good shouts for Scharner and Carragher. Both good competitors, experienced, and we might win some headers in either box.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 02:11:14 PM: Our squad is so desperately poor that there must be hundreds of players that'd improve it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:13:09 PM: Say we go for a DM.Any agent would be rubbing his hands at our position telling his player
'Right let's screw the fuckers,if the want to one of my players into a relegation scrap, it's gonna cost'.
The agent would only be looking after his player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:16:28 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 28, 2013, 02:07:34 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
You may well be right, the impression I was given was that Lambert doesn't believe there is anybody out there of sufficient quality to improve the squad.

Yes, I know it's insanity.

He did say the other day that he'd bid for players but they'd gone elsewhere. It's frustrating but I'm sure none of us want to see signings just for the sake of it, it's players to strengthen in specific areas that are required.

I agree Chris, but there should be a list of players that we have scouted to improve the side, which would have a number of targets, there has been plenty of time to scout these players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 28, 2013, 02:18:58 PM: Im guessing Thursday is the day quite a few clubs are hoping to conclude signings.

Obviously we could get people in for a pittance. Depends however if Lambert wants to take this course of action.

We might get one if we are lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:20:46 PM: Since the Bent deal is it true we have only bought in 1 loan player in January?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:21:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
There are players you could get on that money which would improve us significantly.

Exactly.

A player costing us £10m would not accept £30k a week. Ones that cost £5m might, so let's say 2 at£5m each and a total of £60k wages, which we get from Warnock and Hutton leaving. Now, do we buy with just an eye to the next 15 games or look for someone that will help post that and fit into the rebuilding project? So no Harewood's or NRC's that would habg around and add strain to the wagebill, but rather another Benteke or Westwood. Can we persuade them to come?

I'm afraid it's a little harder than just quoting numbers and saying that should get someone!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:23:18 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Since the Bent deal is it true we have only bought in 1 loan player in January?

It's true that since the Bent deal and now, there has only been 1 January!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 28, 2013, 02:24:16 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Since the Bent deal is it true we have only bought in 1 loan player in January?

Who have we loaned since then?

We've not had any new signings or loans since Bent, though that's only this Jan and last Jan. Stevens joined us last Jan, but he was signed in August.

Edit: Ok, I forgot Keane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2013, 02:24:48 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Since the Bent deal is it true we have only bought in 1 loan player in January?

Robbie Keane and Kyle Walker? I think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:25:13 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
There are players you could get on that money which would improve us significantly.

Exactly.

A player costing us £10m would not accept £30k a week. Ones that cost £5m might, so let's say 2 at£5m each and a total of £60k wages, which we get from Warnock and Hutton leaving. Now, do we buy with just an eye to the next 15 games or look for someone that will help post that and fit into the rebuilding project? So no Harewood's or NRC's that would habg around and add strain to the wagebill, but rather another Benteke or Westwood. Can we persuade them to come?

I'm afraid it's a little harder than just quoting numbers and saying that should get someone!

We buy players for now to improve the team and try to avoid relegation- not players with future potential .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:27:24 PM: Let's get some loan signings in then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 02:31:12 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 02:20:46 PM
Since the Bent deal is it true we have only bought in 1 loan player in January?

It's true that since the Bent deal and now, there has only been 1 January!

Jean Makoun came in January as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:31:31 PM: Lets take two names mentioned - danny murphy who would maybe cost £1m and give him an 18 month contract - he would be far more use now than dale stephens who may cost £3m and in future be a very good player.

Someone like Murphy would improve things and still leave cash for other additions - and im sure he would rather play for villa than blackburn .

There are many players out there who would improve - we could get 3 in and stay up i believe with £10m to spend .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 02:32:20 PM: 2 loan signings would be better than nothing.

Even if we went and bought 2 players in the Westwood mould I would be happy though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 28, 2013, 02:36:48 PM: Danny Murphy would be ideal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:37:43 PM: Lets say for example -

Risse and murphy on 18 month deals
Upson on loan
Dale stephens

Four players there who would improve our side greatly at a cost of well under £10m , and i dare say all those players would probably come here .

Thats 2 midfielders , left back and centre half covered.
There are players out there we can get.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:38:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:25:13 PM
We buy players for now to improve the team and try to avoid relegation- not players with future potential.

That sounds dangerously close to panic buying, which at best delays a problem and at worst amplifies it.

Getting a balance between instant impact and long term value, with a limited budget and needing to keep and eye on wages, whilst also having trouble attracting players given our present position. Not easy, is it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM: There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

I don't believe there is a wage cap either. I think each case is judged on value and if the figures go beyond that we don't do it. It's frustrating but understandable in some ways. Other clubs might be throwing all kinds of silly money about in order to get players in. Probably next years pocket money. I can understand that too. But maybe we 're taking the view that we'll do business when that all blows over. The last few hours of the window for instance. Too risky for my liking but we'll see how it pans out.

I am not impressed, at all, with how things are going and how we're going about it. Let me make that clear.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:42:04 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

I don't believe there is a wage cap either. I think each case is judged on value and if the figures go beyond that we don't do it. It's frustrating but understandable in some ways. Other clubs might be throwing all kinds of silly money about in order to get players in. Probably next years pocket money. I can understand that too. But maybe we 're taking the view that we'll do business when that all blows over. The last few hours of the window for instance. Too risky for my liking but we'll see how it pans out.

I am not impressed, at all, with how things are going and how we're going about it. Let me make that clear.

Same here maz.- sailing way too close to the wind .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:44:57 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

Loan signings are probably our best option right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:47:01 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

Loan signings are probably our best option right now.

Why not ? Signing two players on loan to improve the side could keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 28, 2013, 02:48:53 PM: As said before if Hutton and Warnock are off the wage bill then loans at least should come in.Given our recent performances and results I don't think it will that hard to find players to improve us ..even if it is just short term
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2013, 02:49:56 PM: Loan signings are probably worse, it increases the wage bill again, something the club has been trying to reduce. A permanent couple of signings on lower wages but with signing on fee would, I imagine, be what Lerner would want.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:51:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

Loan signings are probably our best option right now.

Why not ? Signing two players on loan to improve the side could keep us up.

Either you're misreading my post or I'm misreading yours - I'm saying I agree with loan signings!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:52:52 PM: Quote from: Drummond on January 28, 2013, 02:49:56 PM
Loan signings are probably worse, it increases the wage bill again, something the club has been trying to reduce. A permanent couple of signings on lower wages but with signing on fee would, I imagine, be what Lerner would want.

The loan signing of keane probably kept us up last season. There is no problem bringing in a couple who could help keep us up this time around.

Do we risk losing £70m in tv rights for the sake of not spending £1m on a quality loanee?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:54:17 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 02:40:13 PM
There isn't anything to stop up getting loan signings in. Which is, apart from anything else going on, why I just don't buy the "no signings" line.

Loan signings are probably our best option right now.

Why not ? Signing two players on loan to improve the side could keep us up.

Either you're misreading my post or I'm misreading yours - I'm saying I agree with loan signings!

Sorry john , i misread your post ! Thought you said not our best option .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 02:54:40 PM: I know sod all about the bloke Everton are signing/have signed but if he's a midfielder i'm guessing Fellaini will be off in the summer and they are planning ahead? 6 months ahead rather than 4 years when Bowery, Westwood, Lowton and Bennett will no doubt be world beaters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2013, 02:54:51 PM: I'm not disagreeing. If anythign I think it makes sense to bring in a couple of strong-willed and experienced players to teach the inexperienced ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 28, 2013, 03:10:58 PM: If Lambert does have money to spend and he keeps saying he doesn't or plays down the amount to very small levels,
this would make Randy look a bit of a tight arse and Reflect on him quite badly.

If true you would think he would be seriously pissed of about it
So it's either not true
A big bluff from PL which RL knows about
Or PL wants the sack
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:13:40 PM: Quote from: john e on January 28, 2013, 03:10:58 PM
If Lambert does have money to spend and he keeps saying he doesn't or plays down the amount to very small levels,
this would make Randy look a bit of a tight arse and Reflect on him quite badly.

If true you would think he would be seriously pissed of about it
So it's either not true
A big bluff from PL which RL knows about
Or PL wants the sack

A big bluff - but a very risky strategy which could backfire .
Hes admitted hes been in for players but not got them which suggests he has money .

Hes said himself he has money but not enough for a huge signing.
The transfer window is a game of cat and mouse , bluff and counter bluff - it becomes interesting on the final day when the hand must be revealed.

Remember last summer when lambert had money and talk was if he couldnt spend it on the players he wanted he would not buy just for the sake of buying - he then bought westwood, benteke and bowery on deadline day and had a bid for dempsey too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:17:49 PM: 'During January Paul and the board have discussed a variety of players although nothing has yet materialised, which I know also can be frustrating as fresh players always give at least a sense of progress and optimism.'

Posted this on another thread, but Lerner saying this suggests he wants players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:20:39 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
'During January Paul and the board have discussed a variety of players although nothing has yet materialised, which I know also can be frustrating as fresh players always give at least a sense of progress and optimism.'

Posted this on another thread, but Lerner saying this suggests he wants players in.

Exactly!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:22:48 PM: 'As yet materialised' encourages me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:28:05 PM: The Villa Park chief gave a rare statement - his last official press conference was in May 2010 - as the pressure grew on Lambert ahead of tomorrow's Premier League clash with Newcastle.

The chairman said: “In the time that I’ve come to know Paul what is clear above all else is his strength of character and belief in his approach to football. Fortunes can shift quickly in this game and a sense that one has it right can become grave doubt in a matter of a few games.

"The Villa board knew that with Paul we would begin to address the club’s multi-year lack of competitive stability by reshaping the squad with seven new signings in the summer.

"It has been rewarding at times this season although certainly frustrating as well, particularly recently. During January Paul and the board have discussed a variety of players although nothing has yet materialised, which I know also can be frustrating as fresh players always give at least a sense of progress and optimism.

"Finally, and on a very personal note, I would reiterate that Paul has achieved success at many levels of professional football and I believe, given support, he will continue to do so for us.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM: Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on January 28, 2013, 03:32:00 PM: Chairman issues rare vote of confidence to Manager.

Oh dear...?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 03:32:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
I think KEA like a lot of foreign imports may need time to settle in. Some players gel into the premier league straight away, some others take time. We may well see the best of him next season.

That will be ok then , he will do alright against Tranmere , I think .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

Lets hope he spends it on the right players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2013, 03:46:33 PM: Let's hope whoever does the negotiations manages to get the right targets in, I very much doubt that's Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM: Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 03:52:47 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?

I wouldn't say no to Phil Neville on a short term contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 03:55:47 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

That statement tells us no more than we already knew. Lambert has said there is some money- Sky have put spin on this and are reporting it as no money. Lambert actually said:- "But if you are asking me if there will be a vast amount of money available during the rest of the transfer window, there won't be." Randy Lerners statement does not expand on that either way. None of us know what the budget is or what constraints there might be, unless some of us are getting PMs from Randy. What I do know is that Sky repeating 'Aston Villa- no money' all day is doing nothing to promote the club in a positive light. I might turn it off and get off the sofa! I could have used my day off more constructively!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 04:03:10 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?

Now they are signing which Everton midfielders quick,make available a get for?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kipeye on January 28, 2013, 04:08:15 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?

Now they are signing which Everton midfielders quick,make available a get for?
Too late. Signing gone have toilet window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 28, 2013, 04:10:11 PM: These are not the midfielders you are looking for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:10:27 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

That statement tells us no more than we already knew. Lambert has said there is some money- Sky have put spin on this and are reporting it as no money. Lambert actually said:- "But if you are asking me if there will be a vast amount of money available during the rest of the transfer window, there won't be." Randy Lerners statement does not expand on that either way. None of us know what the budget is or what constraints there might be, unless some of us are getting PMs from Randy. What I do know is that Sky repeating 'Aston Villa- no money' all day is doing nothing to promote the club in a positive light. I might turn it off and get off the sofa! I could have used my day off more constructively!

Take what sky say with a pinch of salt -they will be quick enough to report new signings .
Lets blow newcastle away and get in three decent signings then stick it to those toffees.
People slag lerner off for not speaking and then when he makes a statement they slag him off again .
No pleasing some people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 04:12:43 PM: Seems Spurs have captured the midfieder they were after. Huddlestone on loan until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 04:13:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

That statement tells us no more than we already knew. Lambert has said there is some money- Sky have put spin on this and are reporting it as no money. Lambert actually said:- "But if you are asking me if there will be a vast amount of money available during the rest of the transfer window, there won't be." Randy Lerners statement does not expand on that either way. None of us know what the budget is or what constraints there might be, unless some of us are getting PMs from Randy. What I do know is that Sky repeating 'Aston Villa- no money' all day is doing nothing to promote the club in a positive light. I might turn it off and get off the sofa! I could have used my day off more constructively!

Take what sky say with a pinch of salt -they will be quick enough to report new signings .
Lets blow newcastle away and get in three decent signings then stick it to those toffees.
People slag lerner off for not speaking and then when he makes a statement they slag him off again .
No pleasing some people.

I can take Sky anyway I want, but it is a major media outlet and right now it is not helping our club. I have not slagged Lerner off, by the way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 04:14:33 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?

I wouldn't say no to Phil Neville on a short term contract.

thumbs up:)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:14:37 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Seems Spurs have captured the midfieder they were after. Huddlestone on loan until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction for me.

Would be a good addition as long as he stays fit .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:16:02 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Quick which midfielders for everton are get able now they make a signing !?

I wouldn't say no to Phil Neville on a short term contract.

thumbs up:)

Suggested him a while back, i think he would be prefect for leadership and experience , 18 month contract would be ideal signing .
Versatile too, would be available for about £1.5m and maybe see this as a challenge .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:16:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Seems Spurs have captured the midfieder they were after. Huddlestone on loan until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction for me.

Would be a good addition as long as he stays fit.

Ah, the old Michael Owen argument.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:19:35 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Seems Spurs have captured the midfieder they were after. Huddlestone on loan until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction for me.

Would be a good addition as long as he stays fit.

Ah, the ols Michael owen argument.

Huddlestone can pass, tackle and score goals, a big strong player , only worry is his fitness - we dont want another jenas situation - but worth the risk i suppose in our situation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: django on January 28, 2013, 04:20:09 PM: Yes someone like Phil Neville would be good, he's someone who's been there, seen it, don....well, been there and seen it anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 04:20:29 PM: Huddlestone's a no for me. I'm not sure he's what we need. We need someone who's going to have a mouth on him and get the players going and i'm not sure he'll do that.

Phil Neville is the right idea but i can't see him wanting to leave Everton where he gets picked most weeks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 04:21:04 PM: No to Huddlestone for me, too big a risk with his fitness record. A big part of our problem this year has been kids playing whilst experienced plays lie on a treatment table, adding [players with questionable fitness does nothing to help with that.

I have no idea who we should go for though, but then I don't have a european scouting network I can call on to find them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:22:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 28, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Seems Spurs have captured the midfieder they were after. Huddlestone on loan until the end of the season would be a step in the right direction for me.

Would be a good addition as long as he stays fit.

Ah, the ols Michael owen argument.

Huddlestone can pass, tackle and score goals, a big strong player , only worry is his fitness - we dont want another jenas situation - but worth the risk i suppose in our situation.

What I'm getting as is that if a player has the sort of injury record where you have to add the phrase 'as long as he stays fit', then they rarely do.

I agree with his attributes as a footballer, but I think we'd come to regret it if we went for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 04:24:44 PM: Funny how people are turning down International players from top 4 clubs, he'd struggle to get into our top quality midfield that's for sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:24:46 PM: Neville is in the final year of his contract so would be cheap enough, as clampy says though would he leave everton when chasing a top 4 slot- worth a try.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 04:25:27 PM: I watched Huddlestone against Leeds yesterday and must admit, while I advocated him as an addition, he did look ropey. I think that's mainly due to a lack of football, maybe he'd improve with regular games. He'd be a gamble but that's the market we're shopping in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 04:27:49 PM: To further back up my thoughts on huddlestone, he's made 179 appearances in 7 1/2 seasons at tottenham, that's well under half the games they've played. There is no way I'd back signing him given that record. We may as well go for Hargreaves if we want a player with all the right attirbutes but who's made of glass.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:27:51 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
Neville is in the final year of his contract so would be cheap enough, as clampy says though would he leave everton when chasing a top 4 slot- worth a try.

At his age it's mainly about length of contract. If he's got 6 months at Everton or a guaranteed 18 months here, there's a couple of million quid in the difference to that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:29:12 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
Neville is in the final year of his contract so would be cheap enough, as clampy says though would he leave everton when chasing a top 4 slot- worth a try.

At his age it's mainly about length of contract. If he's got 6 months at Everton or a guaranteed 18 months here, there's a couple of million quid in the difference to that.

Yes i think hes approaching 36 and wants to play on , an 18 month deal from us may be more than everton offer him .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 04:29:59 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
Neville is in the final year of his contract so would be cheap enough, as clampy says though would he leave everton when chasing a top 4 slot- worth a try.

At his age it's mainly about length of contract. If he's got 6 months at Everton or a guaranteed 18 months here, there's a couple of million quid in the difference to that.

But he may bank on them offering another year so they have some champions league experience if they make it?

I wouldn't walk away from that chance unless there was no chance it may happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 28, 2013, 04:30:08 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 04:24:44 PM
Funny how people are turning down International players from top 4 clubs, he'd struggle to get into our top quality midfield that's for sure.

I'm more concerned about how he'd walk straight into our top quality treatment room at Bodymoor!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 28, 2013, 04:32:30 PM: I'd sign Neville in a heartbeat right now.

How times have changed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 04:42:37 PM: What happened with Derek Boateng, has he signed for anyone yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:42:46 PM: I would be happy with Livermore and Stephens at the moment in the centre of midfield coming in, such is our dirth of quality in there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:44:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

Lets hope he spends it on the right players.
Hang on your the one saying PL doesn't want to spend any money.How many ways do want it.You get that excited when you hear anything you don't even know what you are saying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:44:58 PM: I see Hitz is available on a free again after his spell at Everton. Worth a shout?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2013, 04:45:50 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
I see Hitz is available on a free again after his spell at Everton. Worth a shout?

I thought they'd signed him until the end of the season?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8401439/Everton-s-Thomas-Hitzlsperger-admits-I-thought-my-career-was-over (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8401439/Everton-s-Thomas-Hitzlsperger-admits-I-thought-my-career-was-over)-
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:47:32 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
I see Hitz is available on a free again after his spell at Everton. Worth a shout?
I thought he had signed till the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:47:50 PM: BBC site are saying it ended in January.

If money is that tight, there are a lot worse options than Hitz and NRC in the middle of the park.

Bannan and KEA together being a starter!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:48:16 PM: Risso ya bugger!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

Lets hope he spends it on the right players.
Hang on your the one saying PL doesn't want to spend any money.How many ways do want it.You get that excited when you hear anything you don't even know what you are saying.

When did i ever say lambert doesnt want to spend any money - i said the money is there , and lambert has chosen so far not to spend it - myself , maz, and others have told you the money was there - lambert hasnt chosen to spend it yet !

Your the one slagging lerner saying theres no money - lambert said theres no money etc etc - .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:48:33 PM: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21233406

At the bottom...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:50:36 PM: eastie a couple of hours ago you was saying you sack him because he didn't want to spend any money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atomicjam on January 28, 2013, 04:52:28 PM: Ozzjim... I think the BBC may have got that wrong. Here:

http://www.evertonfc.com/player-profile/thomas-hitzlsperger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2013, 04:53:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:48:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21233406

At the bottom...

Looks like an error that, he's definitely still there according to the Everton fan in the office. There are quite a few very recent interviews with Hitz that seem to back that up as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:53:33 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:50:36 PM
eastie a couple of hours ago you was saying you sack him because he didn't want to spend any money.

Id have sacked him weeks ago- i said if come friday he hadnt spent money i would sack him in reply to another poster - i am expecting 3 players in by thursday - if he signs nobody and doesnt spent the money of course he should be sacked.

He has the money and needs to spend it - you are just the one saying no money no money etc etc .
The money is there its down to him to spend it - so far hes decided not to - but im convinced he will do.

You lambshank were told by a few of us the situation before randys statment but you rather than discussing chose to be abusive and basically call us liars and bullshitters - is that egg on your face ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:54:08 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 28, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 04:48:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21233406

At the bottom...

Looks like an error that, he's definitely still there according to the Everton fan in the office. There are quite a few very recent interviews with Hitz that seem to back that up as well.

Everton extended hitz contract till the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 05:00:55 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

Lets hope he spends it on the right players.
Hang on your the one saying PL doesn't want to spend any money.How many ways do want it.You get that excited when you hear anything you don't even know what you are saying.

Your the one slagging lerner saying theres no money - lambert said theres no money etc etc - .

In fairness Eastie, you agreed with a poster last week when he called Lerner a Wanker. Just saying like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:01:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:50:36 PM
eastie a couple of hours ago you was saying you sack him because he didn't want to spend any money.

Id have sacked him weeks ago- i said if come friday he hadnt spent money i would sack him in reply to another poster - i am expecting 3 players in by thursday - if he signs nobody and doesnt spent the money of course he should be sacked.

He has the money and needs to spend it - you are just the one saying no money no money etc etc .
The money is there its down to him to spend it - so far hes decided not to - but im convinced he will do.

You lambshank were told by a few of us the situation before randys statment but ypu chose to be abusive and basically call us liars and bullshitters - is that egg on your face ?
I done you a disservice you actually he was refusing to spend the money he had.
You change your mind more times than a traffic light goes red/green.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:03:30 PM: I haven't called anyone a bullshitter.
Or a liar for that matter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:07:04 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Somewhat encouraging. Now... don't tell me, show me?

Indeed, actions now need to follow. However that has made it crsytal clear that money is available. It's up to Lambert to use it now.

Finally ... Tell that to lambshank!

Lets hope he spends it on the right players.
Hang on your the one saying PL doesn't want to spend any money.How many ways do want it.You get that excited when you hear anything you don't even know what you are saying.

Your the one slagging lerner saying theres no money - lambert said theres no money etc etc - .

In fairness Eastie, you agreed with a poster last week when he called Lerner a Wanker. Just saying like.

Clampy , we have this chat many times - lerner in my opinion has been dreadful in the last 3 years and id love to see him go - i will not blame him for everything though and to say there is no money is wrong which i said quote clearly on the lerner thread.

I would be happy to see lerner faulkner and lambert go, but to blame lerner for no money is wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 05:09:51 PM: I'm begging people not to start another fucking quotathon with the eastie/bert 'he said,she said' nonsense, it's bloody annoying when you're reading on a phone.

Just realised, we're living in the future now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:11:52 PM: I try hard not to quote unlike some people.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:13:22 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 05:09:51 PM
I'm begging people not to start another fucking quotathon with the eastie/bert 'he said,she said' nonsense, it's bloody annoying when you're reading on a phone.

Just realised, we're living in the future now.

Agree- we know the money is there , can we get back to who to spend it on please.
Right bertlambshank- lets say theres £12m ish - who would you use it on?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 28, 2013, 05:19:16 PM: Huddlestone is just a bigger, more injury prone version of Barry Bannan. And for that reason, he's worth signing just to stand still in our penalty box while defending corners.

A vast improvement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM: How much am I paying them a week?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:23:15 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
How much am I paying them a week?

Probably £30k?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2013, 05:24:42 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 28, 2013, 05:09:51 PM
I'm begging people not to start another fucking quotathon with the eastie/bert 'he said,she said' nonsense, it's bloody annoying when you're reading on a phone.

Just realised, we're living in the future now.

Agree- we know the money is there , can we get back to who to spend it on please.
Right bertlambshank- lets say theres £12m ish - who would you use it on?

I agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:28:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
How much am I paying them a week?

Probably £30k?
Nobody who has been mentioned in the last 465 pages.It all about the wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 05:29:26 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
How much am I paying them a week?

Probably £30k?

The thing is, would Phil Neville and Tom Huddlestone accept £30k a week?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:33:56 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
How much am I paying them a week?

Probably £30k?
Nobody who has been mentioned in the last 465 pages.It all about the wages.

So you think we will be looking for overseas or lower league again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:37:05 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
How much am I paying them a week?

Probably £30k?

The thing is, would Phil Neville and Tom Huddlestone accept £30k a week?

No i dont think so, we may go higher for the right player i would hope but id imagine most of the summer signings would be around the £30k mark at best .
Any idea what sort of wage hutton and warnock were on ?

I think players from holland , belgium , would be on lower wages than established premier players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:46:31 PM: Championship/holland/France/Portugal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 05:49:15 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:46:31 PM
Championship/holland/France/Portugal.

Unproven at premier level if thats the case, i dont think we can afford to wait for players to settle - would prefer premier experience , danny murphy kind of player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 05:52:00 PM: He has a coaching role and being paid more than we could/choose to pay him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 05:55:49 PM: I wish we would just sign someone shit on loan to put an end to the circular conversations on this thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 06:00:34 PM: Redmond is worth a punt with Allbrighton going out on loan/sold.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2013, 06:00:42 PM: I haven't bothered reading through the last 30 or so pages in any depth. The fact is nobody knows a damn thing and especially Mrs excitable eastie" who must have post 10,000 of 11,000 posts in this thread alone irrespective if whatever PM's...er...voices are in his head telling him otherwise. The only thing that we know categorically is that no new player has walked through the doors at VP since the end of the last window which is a very long time ago, and after a number of horrible defeats and with less than 3 days to go that is rather concerning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:02:31 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
Redmond is worth a punt with Allbrighton going out on loan/sold.

Not a bad call, albrighton is out for a few weeks though i think .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM: If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:07:04 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.

Upson , risse, murphy , stephens - all 4 for less than £8m , wages permitting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:13:48 PM: Meanwhile Lambert says he wants to bring in some new recruits this week, but admits he won't have an open chequebook, or be able to do the kind of business fellow struggles Newcastle have done: signing four new players so far this month.

Lambert said: "We need a few in. I'm not going to say 'we need four or five' because people will have a perception of what they think. I know in my own head.

"We are not close to anything like that (what Newcastle have spent). I'm pretty sure the chairman knows exactly what he is doing.

"It's his money and he's the man who has put X amount of money into the club over the years. I'm not going to come out and tell the chairman he must do X, Y and Z. I am not going to do it.

"We brought in some lads in the summer. I knew the club had to rebuild. Randy wanted us to rebuild it. I knew that. We have brought in seven players.

"At this minute there is not much really happening. There's been guys we went for who have gone to other clubs."

Lambert knows it is crucial Villa "hold their nerve" for the scrap that lies ahead to retain top-flight status.

He said: "Is the squad good enough to keep Villa up? Yes. Every game we go into I think we will win it. There's a lot of teams in and around it thinking the same.

"We have to win and there are a few teams in the same situation. We have to hold our nerve and fight for everything."

Lambert also stressed the need to keep hold of 11-goal striker Christian Benteke, after weekend speculation linking him with a summer move to a host of clubs.

He said: "There's no point me trying to build something if it keeps getting dismantled. I don't think you can do that."

The Scot insists he he has no regrets about leaving Norwich in the summer despite his struggles at Villa Park.

He said: "People ask 'why did I leave there?' I had to leave there. It had finished. The opportunity to come to Aston Villa was unbelievable and still is.

"It's a fantastic club. You can sense how big it is. It's huge, absolutely huge.

"I don't enjoy this run we are on. You hurt. But you have to pick yourself up and go again.

"You have to meet it head on. I have said that for the last few weeks."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 28, 2013, 06:16:54 PM: On five live tonight : 8pm monday night club. How do you measure a player's character before signing them? thumbs up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 06:19:35 PM: It's around about now in this thread that someone should probably suggest re-signing NRC.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on January 28, 2013, 06:26:32 PM: I :) because I have no idea whats going on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 28, 2013, 06:30:00 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 06:19:35 PM
It's around about now in this thread that someone should probably suggest re-signing NRC.

Can we bring back Tony daley? I always liked that bloke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on January 28, 2013, 06:34:54 PM: That long sarcastic laugh from us all if we do sign someone and that mixture of emotions if hes one of the many we speculated on here about NRC included :P
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 06:44:12 PM: See he's changed his wording slightly, he's said 'we need a few in'. I reckon Randy has told him to get players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2013, 06:46:42 PM: Visiting this thread is like entering eastie's stream of consciousness, a la Being John Malkovich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 28, 2013, 06:48:03 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 28, 2013, 06:46:42 PM
Visiting this thread is like entering eastie's stream of consciousness, a la Being John Malkovich.

Or James Joyce's 'Ul-easties'...

Fine, I'll go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM: Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 28, 2013, 06:50:19 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.

I actually don't think that's a bad call, though, if I were a footballer I'm not sure I'd want to join a club whose fans chant that I take it up the arse, every time I play there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 06:50:49 PM: Has Warnock gone yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2013, 06:51:05 PM: Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

it would be ace if instead of having him juggle a football, they'll have a number of their academy wingers dribble the ball up the left wing and have Hutton send them one after another into row J with the ball slowly headed for the corner flag.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 06:51:54 PM: Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

It's a shame it's not a permanent transfer and there's not a pre-season freindly thrown in over there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:53:33 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

It's a shame it's not a permanent transfer and there's not a pre-season freindly thrown in over there.

Is it with a view to a permanent deal? Lets hope hes a revelation - cant wait to see him up trying to catch messi and ronaldo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 28, 2013, 06:53:54 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

it would be ace if instead of having him juggle a football, they'll have a number of their academy wingers dribble the ball up the left wing and have Hutton send them one after another into row J with the ball slowly headed for the corner flag.

It's a great shame he is going
(Posting this just in case Mallorca get the false impression from this forum that he is totally shit and change their minds)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:57:58 PM: The Masons loss is Mallorca's gain.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 28, 2013, 06:58:31 PM: It's an even worse shame that he's likely to come back! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 07:08:08 PM: It wouldn't surprise me, knowing how muddle headed our club has become, If originally Lambert was told 'No signings', but as the flak started flying, Blandy relented and said 'Go out and get 2 or 3.'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 07:09:17 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

It's a shame it's not a permanent transfer and there's not a pre-season freindly thrown in over there.

Hutton is going to be pretty pissed off when he goes over there and finds out that they don't have Wetherspoon pubs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 28, 2013, 07:09:49 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 28, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 28, 2013, 06:46:42 PM
Visiting this thread is like entering eastie's stream of consciousness, a la Being John Malkovich.

Or James Joyce's 'Ul-easties'...

Fine, I'll go.

It's more like when Father Dougal gets roller-skating withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 07:11:55 PM: Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

you sure its not a bull ring and Hutton is just the bull .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2013, 07:16:13 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 28, 2013, 07:08:08 PM
It wouldn't surprise me, knowing how muddle headed our club has become, If originally Lambert was told 'No signings', but as the flak started flying, Blandy relented and said 'Go out and get 2 or 3.'

Well either way if it results in 2 or 3 coming in I'll be happy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 07:17:17 PM: Laters Alan, thanks for the memories.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3056605,00.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 28, 2013, 07:23:29 PM: Randy's shares in Bank of America were over $55 in 2007 and hit $5 in early 2009. They currently are $11.50.
You can see a parallel in his spending here and the need to reduce the wage bill etc.
He must have been cacking himself when they hit $5 and lower. They are improving now but still have a long way to go before he is 'comfortable' again. Meanwhile Bernacke and Obama are printing money like nobody's biz to staunch the slow but sure rush to world bankruptcy. It means any money Randy still has is getting lessby the day; if he does not invest it to make money. Football clubs do not make money unless you are Arsenal.
So I can't see much coming our way. Sell Bent to Fulham and be done with it; let's get someone for him instead of wasting all our time.
Randy ain't forking out for a long while yet imo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2013, 07:24:49 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 07:17:17 PM
Laters Alan, thanks for the memories.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3056605,00.html

Dear Alan - please do well out there so they sign you permanently. Sincerely, Aston Villa fans
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 28, 2013, 07:28:07 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2013, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 28, 2013, 07:17:17 PM
Laters Alan, thanks for the memories.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3056605,00.html

Dear Alan - please do well out there so they sign you permanently. Sincerely, Aston Villa fans

Also being fair skinned, please remember to pack your sun cream unless you want to look like this:

(http://api.ning.com/files/XWxb0YPOO2WJcjOWJZlNH1quvAJ5F1ZVuXHW7Z-jhdfeeTtEyptSQHYIjbb9E9i19RJs*BcNib62mKp8PZb8wg__/TheRedSkullHydra.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 07:43:17 PM: The advantage of him going to Mallorca is you'd think people there are well accustomed to seeing british skinheads assault people in broad daylight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 28, 2013, 08:11:16 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Roll on friday so we can kiss this thread goodbye.
Do you go into hibernation then, Eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 28, 2013, 08:14:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 28, 2013, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

It's a shame it's not a permanent transfer and there's not a pre-season freindly thrown in over there.

Is it with a view to a permanent deal? Lets hope hes a revelation - cant wait to see him up trying to catch messi and ronaldo.
He will catch them ok, just as they run back to the half way line after scoring...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 08:17:44 PM: About as late as some of the tackles he made last year then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 08:20:27 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 28, 2013, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Roll on friday so we can kiss this thread goodbye.
Do you go into hibernation then, Eastie?

Yes dc5 , large supply of nuts stocked up - in hibernation until 3 pm saturday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 28, 2013, 08:24:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.

Upson , risse, murphy , stephens - all 4 for less than £8m , wages permitting.
Where are you getting all these valuations from, Eastie? £1m here, £1.5m there. Are these from the Telegraph Fantasy Football League?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 28, 2013, 08:31:04 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 28, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.

Upson , risse, murphy , stephens - all 4 for less than £8m , wages permitting.
Where are you getting all these valuations from, Eastie? £1m here, £1.5m there. Are these from the Telegraph Fantasy Football League?

Upson loan, risse £1.5 and murphy £1.5 both on 18 month deals - both are out of contract soon , stephens £4m is reckoned to be asking price.

Upson , risse and murphy would cost peanuts in fees at their age , if not even available on a free.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: davisa on January 28, 2013, 08:38:30 PM: Florent Malouda hmmm
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 08:44:55 PM: Why the fuck do we want an old left winger?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 28, 2013, 08:46:48 PM: Is Michael Foot still available?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 28, 2013, 08:47:39 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 28, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
Is Michael Foot still available?

£1.5m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on January 28, 2013, 08:47:54 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 28, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 28, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 28, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
If we haven't got a pot to piss in what about Matthew Upson on loan? He can't get past Huth and Shawcross at Stoke and he would at least be motivated to try and get a contract next season.

Upson , risse, murphy , stephens - all 4 for less than £8m , wages permitting.
Where are you getting all these valuations from, Eastie? £1m here, £1.5m there. Are these from the Telegraph Fantasy Football League?

I think you're right!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2013, 08:55:38 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 07:43:17 PM
The advantage of him going to Mallorca is you'd think people there are well accustomed to seeing british skinheads assault people in broad daylight.

*applause*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 28, 2013, 09:09:27 PM: Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

His first game will be against Barcelona :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 09:16:23 PM: Quote from: montague on January 28, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

His first game will be against Barcelona :-)

Im watching that ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 28, 2013, 09:16:46 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 28, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
Is Michael Foot still available?

Fascinating fact of the day: Michael Foot was technically the World's oldest registered footballer. The Football League registered him as a Plymouth player for his 90th birthday.

Anyway, we signed anyone yet Eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 09:16:56 PM: Messi out of season after leg break from the Scottish Terminator.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 28, 2013, 09:21:18 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Messi out of season after leg break from the Scottish Terminator.

"I'll be cack"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 28, 2013, 09:24:54 PM: Serious question:

What's Jean Makoun's situation?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 09:29:54 PM: No work permit, although Lambert said he has never even spoken to him in the summer - frankly ridiculous. He would walk into our midfield
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 28, 2013, 09:32:13 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 09:29:54 PM
No work permit, although Lambert said he has never even spoken to him in the summer - frankly ridiculous. He would walk into our midfield

it sums up the operation of our club
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2013, 09:41:19 PM: Quote from: danno on January 28, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Messi out of season after leg break from the Scottish Terminator.

"I'll be cack"

*applause*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 28, 2013, 09:48:10 PM: Quote from: eric woolban woolban on January 28, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Serious question:

What's Jean Makoun's situation?

Married, I believe.

Sorry Eric.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 28, 2013, 09:55:13 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 09:29:54 PM
No work permit, although Lambert said he has never even spoken to him in the summer - frankly ridiculous. He would walk into our midfield
Imagine the conversation. One bloke who barely speaks English, and another bloke who barely speaks English
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mark H on January 28, 2013, 10:06:28 PM: Quote from: Lastfootstamper on January 28, 2013, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 09:29:54 PM
No work permit, although Lambert said he has never even spoken to him in the summer - frankly ridiculous. He would walk into our midfield
Imagine the conversation. One bloke who barely speaks English, and another bloke who barely speaks English
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LOL that was tea spitting funny :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 28, 2013, 10:37:58 PM: So, one of the guys not good enough to play for us will be playing Barcelona this weekend. Is the problem the players or us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2013, 10:46:39 PM: Any of our players could play against Barcelona if a team is dumb enough to take them. None of our current players will ever play for Barcelona though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 28, 2013, 10:46:44 PM: Their next game according to their website is away to Real Sociedad on Sunday.

Any news on Warnock anybody?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2013, 10:50:55 PM: Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

Not as many as will turn up when he fucks off home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 10:55:15 PM: Thousand will show up to see him manage two keepy ups for the camera before losing control of it and two footing one of the cameramen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 28, 2013, 10:56:07 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Messi out of season after leg break from the Scottish Terminator.

Please don't even joke about things like that!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 28, 2013, 10:59:50 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 28, 2013, 09:29:54 PM
No work permit, although Lambert said he has never even spoken to him in the summer - frankly ridiculous. He would walk into our midfield

Why the hell hasn't he even spoken to him, he is still a Villa player... give me strength!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 28, 2013, 11:02:31 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 28, 2013, 10:55:15 PM
Thousand will show up to see him manage two keepy ups for the camera before losing control of it and two footing one of the cameramen.

Quality. Has anyone ever been booed at their unveiling?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 28, 2013, 11:05:43 PM: I'll give it two seasons, a crisis at right back and someone will suggest we bring Hutton back!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 28, 2013, 11:08:34 PM: I wish I had shares in a Scottish bar in Magaluf
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 11:12:05 PM: Hutton is an option to buy at the end of the season.
What are the odds he stays?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 28, 2013, 11:15:10 PM: I bet he's booked a two week return flight
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM: I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 28, 2013, 11:16:48 PM: Quote from: montague on January 28, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on January 28, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
Mallorca have confirmed on their website that Hutton will sign tomorrow. He's even going to be unveiled to the fans at the stadium at 13.30Hrs! How many do you think will turn out for that?!

CLICKY (http://www.rcdmallorca.es/principal_new.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=32222&idmenu=3)

His first game will be against Barcelona :-)

that will be TV Gold
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 11:17:11 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 28, 2013, 11:08:34 PM
I wish I had shares in a Scottish bar in Magaluf
That's called a bar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2013, 11:56:32 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 28, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 28, 2013, 11:08:34 PM
I wish I had shares in a Scottish bar in Magaluf
That's called a bar.

Not a kerb outside an off license then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 28, 2013, 11:57:50 PM: Bunch of racists. Can we go back to slagging off Yorkshire please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2013, 12:02:17 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV

What sort of shop do you work in?

And do the management know you're off your nut on hallucinogenics?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 12:07:46 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV

What sort of shop do you work in?

Pets at Home, Hutton buying in maxi-packs of Pedigree Chum. He doesn't have a dog.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:12:04 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV

What sort of shop do you work in?

And do the management know you're off your nut on hallucinogenics?

Ha ha, I am management :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM: HMV or Blockbuster?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 29, 2013, 12:41:09 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.
Can you buy fit over 40's women in it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: D.boy on January 29, 2013, 12:52:55 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.
Anne Summers?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 12:56:16 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.

Hmmmm.... Millets?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 01:15:23 AM: The Price is right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bones. on January 29, 2013, 05:42:13 AM: Is it a sweet shop?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM: Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM: Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 07:26:52 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Hutton could have done a job this season competing and providing cover for Lowton, who is out on his knees.

Warnock is a better player than Bennett at left back, and certainly an option in midfield.

Neither are world beaters, but both are useful enough to be in our side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 29, 2013, 07:34:31 AM: Agree to some extent, Bennet is far to fragile at the moment to hold his place although he has a very good cross on him, maybe try him more forward.Hutton was a trier but woeful, he tried to be a wing back but looked looked totally inadequate, very much and eighties player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 07:41:06 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 12:56:16 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.

Hmmmm.... Millets?

At first glance, I thought you had it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 07:44:08 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Totally agree
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 07:52:53 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 12:56:16 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 12:27:09 AM
HMV or Blockbuster?

Yep, Its Hutton's fault that Blockbusters went on for as long as it did. If I was to reveal where I work, I would have just about every Heroes and Villains member come down.

Hmmmm.... Millets?

At first glance, I thought you had it.

It's a tricky one. Somewhere that regularly attracted Hutton and would have H & V er's queuing up to visit? Barring some sort of combined off-licence/spearmint rhino i'm stumped.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on January 29, 2013, 07:58:24 AM: The shop I'm guessing is Solihull way
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:02:07 AM: Daily Telegraph football correspondent John Percy on Twitter: "Leeds have made a late bid to sign Stephen Warnock ahead of West Ham. Longer contract on offer at Elland Road. Should be resolved today
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 29, 2013, 08:11:24 AM: I heard a rumour that we're talking to Malouda from Chelsea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:16:49 AM: He'd be a great buy but do we urgently need a winger cum striker?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 29, 2013, 08:21:55 AM: Quote from: nigel on January 29, 2013, 08:11:24 AM
I heard a rumour that we're talking to Malouda from Chelsea

This is in the Times Transfer Talk...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 29, 2013, 08:22:34 AM: Perhaps we're just planning to out score opponents :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:36:21 AM: Quote from: silhillvilla on January 29, 2013, 07:58:24 AM
The shop I'm guessing is Solihull way

I saw him in The Mailbox car park last year. It was about 7 in the morning so he could have been living in one of those apartments there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 29, 2013, 08:41:09 AM: Quote from: nigel on January 29, 2013, 08:22:34 AM
Perhaps we're just planning to out score opponents :D

Lambert has realised attack is the best form of defence :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:41:14 AM: @JamesNursey: Lambert also told press yesterday Shay Given definitely staying & that #AVFC missed out on Moussa Sissoko to #NUFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:41:43 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Trouble is that he was a popular scapegoat. Once there are a few people saying that someone is crap it quickly gets around. If you are unfortunate enough to venture onto the Villa Facebook page, which seems to be inhabited by people who would be great candidates for the Jeremy Kyle Show, you will see things posted by people who have never been to a game in their lives. There were always people on there last year saying 'Hutton is crap' and other such things that they had picked up. It is not very fashionable to differ with these idiots.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:44:28 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
@JamesNursey: Lambert also told press yesterday Shay Given definitely staying & that #AVFC missed out on Moussa Sissoko to #NUFC
There were some good scoops in the Metro this morning. I would put them on here but left it on the train.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:45:45 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
@JamesNursey: Lambert also told press yesterday Shay Given definitely staying & that #AVFC missed out on Moussa Sissoko to #NUFC
There were some good scoops in the Metro this morning. I would put them on here but left it on the train.

Remember any?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:48:05 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
@JamesNursey: Lambert also told press yesterday Shay Given definitely staying & that #AVFC missed out on Moussa Sissoko to #NUFC
There were some good scoops in the Metro this morning. I would put them on here but left it on the train.

Remember any?
No. As soon as I started reading them, I thought I was on here. Fell asleep and nearly missed my stop.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:49:19 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Trouble is that he was a popular scapegoat. Once there are a few people saying that someone is crap it quickly gets around. If you are unfortunate enough to venture onto the Villa Facebook page, which seems to be inhabited by people who would be great candidates for the Jeremy Kyle Show, you will see things posted by people who have never been to a game in their lives. There were always people on there last year saying 'Hutton is crap' and other such things that they had picked up. It is not very fashionable to differ with these idiots.

Ive seen hutton have a cracking game for scotland a few months back and putting great crosses in - i wonder if he hadnt been signed by mcleish whether some would have had more patience for him

Not great by any means but not as bad as portrayed either. .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:49:45 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
@JamesNursey: Lambert also told press yesterday Shay Given definitely staying & that #AVFC missed out on Moussa Sissoko to #NUFC
There were some good scoops in the Metro this morning. I would put them on here but left it on the train.

Remember any?
No. As soon as I started reading them, I thought I was on here. Fell asleep and nearly missed my stop.

Was mcleish in your dreams?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 08:51:08 AM: Fucking Hell, Eastie. That would have been a nightmare!

I notice you edited it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 08:55:18 AM: Only joking jon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 08:59:10 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.

Have a day off Captain sensible. We're only having the craic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:00:09 AM: Missed out on Sissoko well that's good to know. How about trying to find some alternatives? I hope we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:01:41 AM: Malouda would be useful provided we get a defensive midfield and defender in as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 29, 2013, 09:04:29 AM: I'm not suprised we missed out on Sissoko given he landed a six and a half year deal.
Must be a plan B of the same ilk lined up, hopefully as he's just the sort we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 09:05:24 AM: I'm sure we are after alternatives.
Given that we were after Sissoko it seems Lambert realises we at least need a strong box to box midfielder.
Sissoko would have been nice but there are a few of his type around. Need to make it happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2013, 09:09:00 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 07:26:52 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Hutton could have done a job this season competing and providing cover for Lowton, who is out on his knees.

Warnock is a better player than Bennett at left back, and certainly an option in midfield.

Neither are world beaters, but both are useful enough to be in our side.

Totally agree. If we were relatively comfortable in mid-table, I'd agree with Lambert's treatment of them, but when you've been as bad as we have, you need to use every last resource at your disposal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:10:47 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 29, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
I'm not suprised we missed out on Sissoko given he landed a six and a half year deal.

Well that's what you have to do when you're in the shit.I'm sure they had the sense to put a relegation clause in.How old is he 23? Worth the risk I'd say.Shame it's them he's starting for tonight,not us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Riiich91utv on January 29, 2013, 09:13:31 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV
This guy is dillusional - his name is Dave, works at the Boat in Catherine-de-Barnes
You all might remember him....he's the one in the blue away shirt

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FFRQ3bXCHW4
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 29, 2013, 09:17:19 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:01:41 AM
Malouda would be useful provided we get a defensive midfield and defender in as well.
yeah, been ordered to train with the kids at chelsea, not bothered about playing football for 6 months more money than sense with probably no aspiration whatsoever to get his shorts dirty fighting a relegation battle with us.

pair him up in midfield with stephen ireland and we will be onto a winner!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 09:17:49 AM: There was a three man challenge on a Blues player at the Sty a couple of years ago. I think it was Warnock, Collins and Dunne. The three went in at the same time and I thought that the ball was likely to burst. The Blues player must have shit himself. That is the commitment we need. For too long last season, we had people moaning about Hutton being a dirty player. The first job of a full back is to tackle. If you have to put the frighteners on the opponent in the process then so be it. I can't remember fans of Liverpool and Chelsea complaining about Tommy Smith and Ron Harris respectively. There is no room for powder puff football when you are in the mire like we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2013, 09:18:38 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:10:47 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 29, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
I'm not suprised we missed out on Sissoko given he landed a six and a half year deal.

Well that's what you have to do when you're in the shit.I'm sure they had the sense to put a relegation clause in.How old is he 23? Worth the risk I'd say.Shame it's them he's starting for tonight,not us

Certainly less of a bad idea than handing Shay Given a five year contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:22:57 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 29, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:01:41 AM
Malouda would be useful provided we get a defensive midfield and defender in as well.
yeah, been ordered to train with the kids at chelsea, not bothered about playing football for 6 months more money than sense with probably no aspiration whatsoever to get his shorts dirty fighting a relegation battle with us.

pair him up in midfield with stephen ireland and we will be onto a winner!

You know that for a fact? or are you possibly speculating?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 09:31:30 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 09:17:49 AM
There was a three man challenge on a Blues player at the Sty a couple of years ago. I think it was Warnock, Collins and Dunne. The three went in at the same time and I thought that the ball was likely to burst. The Blues player must have shit himself. That is the commitment we need. For too long last season, we had people moaning about Hutton being a dirty player. The first job of a full back is to tackle. If you have to put the frighteners on the opponent in the process then so be it. I can't remember fans of Liverpool and Chelsea complaining about Tommy Smith and Ron Harris respectively. There is no room for powder puff football when you are in the mire like we are.

Huttons problem wasn't that he liked a tackle, it was that he was late far too often. Lets not glam him up as a superstar who we're going to miss terribly, this is a guy who could easily have had 4-5 red cards last year for lunging through his man after the ball was gone.

As for Warnock, he's been dropped because of his attitude not his ability, as I've said before, if half the rumours about him are true then I want him nowhere near the team, aside from that, he was hardly playing well, probably not as badly as Bennett has at times but not enough to overlook the fact that he's a wanker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 29, 2013, 09:33:45 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 09:17:49 AM
There was a three man challenge on a Blues player at the Sty a couple of years ago. I think it was Warnock, Collins and Dunne. The three went in at the same time and I thought that the ball was likely to burst. The Blues player must have shit himself. That is the commitment we need. For too long last season, we had people moaning about Hutton being a dirty player. The first job of a full back is to tackle. If you have to put the frighteners on the opponent in the process then so be it. I can't remember fans of Liverpool and Chelsea complaining about Tommy Smith and Ron Harris respectively. There is no room for powder puff football when you are in the mire like we are.

I agree to an extent and I think we could and should have used Hutton this season. He can play a bit when he keeps his head, and Lowton is nowhere near as good as some seem to think. But at times he was a thug and a red card waiting to happen and you can't afford to go down to 10 men too often. Tommy Smith and Ron Harris weren't running the risk of red cards for looking at people in a funny way like players are these days. Hutton lost it home to Arsenal and should have gone against Albion. I've also rarely seen a defender handle the ball so much in the box as he seemed to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 09:35:34 AM: What warnock rumours are you referring to paul?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2013, 09:36:01 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on January 29, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Can I just say I watched Hutton play for Forrest on Boxing Day with a few family members. Everyone watching agreed the rampaging, marauding right back was the best player on the pitch and was running the show - quite a feat from The RB position. Who was it? Yep you guessed it, there is a player in there, no doubt.
To all those mocking, don't be surprised to see Hutton playing regularly for a premiership team next year (along with Aaron Hughes, Steve sidwell, Curtis Davies, Stephen Davies, Craig Gardner, James Collins etc etc) while we're languishing mid table in the championship.
It's amazing how all these players were ridiculed for not being good enough for us are doing a decent job for other teams

Most of the players you mention weren't good enough for us at the time they were at the club. Of course they are probably better than some of the options we have now, but they weren't good enough for us at the time when they left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 29, 2013, 09:38:01 AM: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266709/Florent-Maloudas-Chelsea-exclusion-damaging-team-spirit-Neil-Ashton.html

Missed out on a move so Chelsea have done what we did to Hutton / Warnock
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 29, 2013, 09:40:20 AM: Aaron Hughes has always been a solid enough centre-back for club and country. He's not a right-back though.

One of about seventy players we've played out of position at full back since we lost Wright and Delaney.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM: I thought Hutton was deadful personally, i never rated him in the first place.

Malouda is an interesting one and it might have been an idea at the start of the season but he's not quite what we need now but i would'nt be against him coming in if it happend.

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:44:44 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Yet Lerner sanctioned a 5 year contract for a 35 year old Given last season on probably almost double what Sissoko would be getting
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:48:05 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Yet Lerner sanctioned a 5 year contract for a 35 year old Given last season on probably almost double what Sissoko would be getting

I'd guess Given is on about £35k a week, possibly more. I doubt Sissoko would have agreed to wages half that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:50:02 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Yet Lerner sanctioned a 5 year contract for a 35 year old Given last season on probably almost double what Sissoko would be getting

I'd guess Given is on about £35k a week, possibly more. I doubt Sissoko would have agreed to wages half that.
£55 k more like
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 09:51:25 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
What warnock rumours are you referring to paul?

As I've heard it he was the main driving factor in a massive blame culture last season where the kids were 'scapegoated' in the squad as being shit and letting down the seniors when they played. He was also the worst culprit for trying to turn the squad against Houllier.

On top of both of those there's lots of reports of him slagging the club off and basically wishing he was anywhere but Villa.

I'm not for lynching someone based on rumours but I've seen too many bad ones about him for it all to be made up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 09:53:38 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM
I thought Hutton was deadful personally, i never rated him in the first place.

Malouda is an interesting one and it might have been an idea at the start of the season but he's not quite what we need now but i would'nt be against him coming in if it happend.

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.

Also sissoko stated that so many french players being there was an attraction too.
Malouda - not a priority but yes .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:55:17 AM: From the Birmingham Mail

Paul Lambert admits Newcastle new boy Moussa Sissoko is a player Villa were priced out of signing because of their prudent spending policy.

The French midfielder was on Lambert’s wanted list, but the claret and blues were forced to withdraw from the chase for financial reasons.

Instead Sissoko joined the Magpies and the he could make his debut against Villa in tonight’s survival six-pointer at Villa Park.

Asked if the former Toulouse player was a target he had been looking at, Lambert confirmed ‘Yes’ before revealing finance had scuppered several potential moves.

Lambert admitted Villa would not compete Mike Ashley’s spending power at St James’ Park this month.

“At this minute there is not much really happening,” said Lambert. “There’s been guys we went for who have gone to other clubs. We’re not close to anything like that.

“I’m pretty sure the chairman knows exactly what he is doing. It’s his money and he’s the man who has put x amount of money into the club over the years.

“If you’re asking me if there will be a vast amount of money in this window, there won’t be. But you can only play the hand you are dealt.”

Yesterday’s statement from Lerner hinted that incoming transfers had been discussed and refused to rule out reinforcements before Thursday night’s deadline.

Stephen Warnock and Alan Hutton’s departures would free up space on Villa’s wage bill but Lambert does not believe that would significantly boost his recruitment hopes.

Warnock is poised to join Leeds on a free transfer with the Championship club believed to be offering an 18- month deal rather than West Ham’s six month contract.

Spanish strugglers Real Mallorca have taken Hutton on loan until the end of the season with an option to sign the former Spurs full-back in the summer.

But when asked if those two moves would make a difference to his chances of completing incoming business, Lambert replied: “It won’t make a considerable difference, no.”

Lerner broke his silence to issue a statement in support of Lambert yesterday, but the boss is still being quizzed publicly about the club’s spending policy.

“My job is to answer these questions,” he said. “I don’t walk away from it, I tell you what I think and feel. I’m not going to hide away from it.

“I’m at the forefront of it.

“Randy is old and wise enough to know when he wants to speak.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 29, 2013, 09:58:27 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Yet Lerner sanctioned a 5 year contract for a 35 year old Given last season on probably almost double what Sissoko would be getting

He is a goalkeeper and it is becoming the norm that top goalkeepers can continue until they are 40, at least, if they steer clear of injuries. Unfortunately, Shay has been dogged by injuries since he has been here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 09:58:42 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 09:41:12 AM

As for Sissoko, the fact that he chose a better contract shows what Lambert might be up against on the wages side.
Yet Lerner sanctioned a 5 year contract for a 35 year old Given last season on probably almost double what Sissoko would be getting

I'd guess Given is on about £35k a week, possibly more. I doubt Sissoko would have agreed to wages half that.
£55 k more like

Yep 55k ive heard too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 10:08:37 AM: Ah, TSM's legacy a 36year old goalkeeper who's looking his age and has 3 1/2years on 55k a week left.

With his transfer being about 3.5m and him probably wanting a signing fee I reckon we're looking at spending the best part of £20m on him, to have been first choice for 1 year and with no possibility of getting anything back on him.

Hard to not see Lerners point about wages when you look at it like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 10:16:31 AM: Quote from: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Ah, TSM's legacy a 36year old goalkeeper who's looking his age and has 3 1/2years on 55k a week left.

With his transfer being about 3.5m and him probably wanting a signing fee I reckon we're looking at spending the best part of £20m on him, to have been first choice for 1 year and with no possibility of getting anything back on him.

Hard to not see Lerners point about wages when you look at it like that.
He sanctioned it,like many other deals.Not our fault he didn't employ anybody with a football brain to advise him.Hardly the right time to put on the brakes when we're at huge risk of relegation and set to lose millions.Still,we the fans will suffer for his utter incompetance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:23:50 AM: Given was a class keeper when we got him - the fee and wage were the going rate , a 5 yr deal however was a strange one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on January 29, 2013, 10:28:09 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:23:50 AM
Given was a class keeper when we got him - the fee and wage were the going rate , a 5 yr deal however was a strange one.

Randy probably thought his age was not an issue having just let go a forty year old to Tottenham? He probably thought Given was a youngster in comparision and looked a decent deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:30:27 AM: Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:23:50 AM
Given was a class keeper when we got him - the fee and wage were the going rate , a 5 yr deal however was a strange one.

Randy probably thought his age was not an issue having just let go a forty year old to Tottenham? He probably thought Given was a youngster in comparision and looked a decent deal.

Yes i would think he was signed on the expectation that he would probably be our 1st choice for a lot longer than one season - a 3 year deal would have been more sensible .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on January 29, 2013, 10:33:48 AM: I think if it wasn't for his injury issue's he would still of been number one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:36:43 AM: Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
I think if it wasn't for his injury issue's he would still of been number one.

I have every faith in him should guzan be injured, we have 2 decent keepers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 10:38:15 AM: Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
I think if it wasn't for his injury issue's he would still of been number one.
Many on here were concerned about his injury record so why weren't the management/board?Everything about Villa seems to be about taking huge gambles,which is what is happening with our Premier League status now
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2013, 10:41:06 AM: I think he signed a 5 year deal (Given) because we wouldn't match Man City's wages so he signed a longer deal to make up the difference
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 10:44:21 AM: To clarify, the given deal, on paper before he signed, looked ok other than the slightly elongated terms (as mentioned 3 years would've been the right deal) but in hindsight it was shocking signing. Much like Nzogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Cuellar, etc.

We've had a shit time of it in the transfer market in the last few years but most of the signings (exclude Heskey and Hutton) have looked fine before the event and generally have been happy with them. I genuinely can't think of another club who have ever had so many big signings fail to meet expectations.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:44:45 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
I think he signed a 5 year deal (Given) because we wouldn't match Man City's wages so he signed a longer deal to make up the difference

Pity there are not more contracts weighted in favour of apperances rather than a huge basic wage whether they play or not , it would give players more incentive to perform and keep their place.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:52:27 AM: Big sam on tv saying warnock chose leeds because they offered him a longer deal whereas sam only offered till the end of season deal with a view to an extension.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 29, 2013, 10:55:44 AM: Its not Shay's injuries that concerns me, he appears to have lost his doughnut
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 29, 2013, 10:55:55 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
I think he signed a 5 year deal (Given) because we wouldn't match Man City's wages so he signed a longer deal to make up the difference

Pity there are not more contracts weighted in favour of apperances rather than a huge basic wage whether they play or not , it would give players more incentive to perform and keep their place.

It would also make them extremely disgruntled if they lost their place. We've all heard about players falling out with the manager and sometimes it must be the manager's fault. That player is then hung out to dry with no salary. It is easy to say it but harder to implement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:00:21 AM: Quote from: LeeS on January 29, 2013, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 10:44:45 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
I think he signed a 5 year deal (Given) because we wouldn't match Man City's wages so he signed a longer deal to make up the difference

Pity there are not more contracts weighted in favour of apperances rather than a huge basic wage whether they play or not , it would give players more incentive to perform and keep their place.

It would also make them extremely disgruntled if they lost their place. We've all heard about players falling out with the manager and sometimes it must be the manager's fault. That player is then hung out to dry with no salary. It is easy to say it but harder to implement.

I wouldnt say no salary but a basic salary , with a large incentive based on appearances - it would help stop players sitting on crazy wages in the reserves with no interest in leaving.

I agree there will always be exceptions where players get frozen out but it would also make it more viable for them to move on - many players sit on big wages in the reserves because other clubs cany match their wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM: You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 11:21:47 AM: If you're going to have a 'last minute scramble' then the strong rumours/links should start appearing today or tomorrow. Most of the deals that get done on deadline day are ones that have been in the press for a while and just kick into high gear as time gets short.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:26:39 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
If you're going to have a 'last minute scramble' then the strong rumours/links should start appearing today or tomorrow. Most of the deals that get done on deadline day are ones that have been in the press for a while and just kick into high gear as time gets short.

Cant see much happening today with is having a game but hopefully once thats done we might .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 29, 2013, 11:27:44 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
bannan gets some undeserved stick on here, maybe he isnt as talented as we would like or maybe he believes, but i will give the kid one thing. He tries damn hard. then out of the corner of my eye whilst watching bannan try but not quite succeed, i see that little pixie faced good for nothing fucker stephen ireland, sitting on the bench content with his lot, earning his 60-80k a week and we are having a go at bannan.

if there is any fucker who needs prising, slinging or generally casting away it is this little shit bag ireland! he should be ashamed of himself!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:28:48 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
Right. Out comes the glue :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 29, 2013, 11:29:14 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!

It's Hutton isn't it? Real Mallorca?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:30:09 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 29, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
bannan gets some undeserved stick on here, maybe he isnt as talented as we would like or maybe he believes, but i will give the kid one thing. He tries damn hard. then out of the corner of my eye whilst watching bannan try but not quite succeed, i see that little pixie faced good for nothing fucker stephen ireland, sitting on the bench content with his lot, earning his 60-80k a week and we are having a go at bannan.

if there is any fucker who needs prising, slinging or generally casting away it is this little shit bag ireland! he should be ashamed of himself!

Thats the problem though ruts, with the contract hes on we are stuck with him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 29, 2013, 11:40:12 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 29, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
bannan gets some undeserved stick on here, maybe he isnt as talented as we would like or maybe he believes, but i will give the kid one thing. He tries damn hard. then out of the corner of my eye whilst watching bannan try but not quite succeed, i see that little pixie faced good for nothing fucker stephen ireland, sitting on the bench content with his lot, earning his 60-80k a week and we are having a go at bannan.

if there is any fucker who needs prising, slinging or generally casting away it is this little shit bag ireland! he should be ashamed of himself!

The trouble with Bannan is that he was overrated to begin with. People are finally seeing the real player now, and he ain't Premier League standard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 11:42:44 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.

Have a day off Captain sensible. We're only having the craic.

If I remember rightly Captain Sensible was oxymoronic in the sense that he was anything other than sensible in appearance :-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2013, 11:48:53 AM: Quote from: devilla on January 28, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Their next game according to their website is away to Real Sociedad on Sunday.

Any news on Warnock anybody?

up against Ronaldo I heard ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 11:52:06 AM: I'll be Damned if I meant the Captain Sensible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 11:58:11 AM: Quote from: rutski on January 29, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
bannan gets some undeserved stick on here, maybe he isnt as talented as we would like or maybe he believes, but i will give the kid one thing. He tries damn hard. then out of the corner of my eye whilst watching bannan try but not quite succeed, i see that little pixie faced good for nothing fucker stephen ireland, sitting on the bench content with his lot, earning his 60-80k a week and we are having a go at bannan.

if there is any fucker who needs prising, slinging or generally casting away it is this little shit bag ireland! he should be ashamed of himself!

Got to agree. I like Bannan a lot, i think there's a really clever footballer there but he needs taking out the team but with us being so short on numbers at the moment, he's going to be involved. As Rutski touched on, at least he always looks interested and the fact that he get's picked ahead of Ireland says it all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:03:18 PM: Fair enough clamps, personally i dont think either bannan or ireland are good enough to be in our team .
Would be happy to see both leave but cant imagine anyone taking ireland with the contract hes on - i hope maybe mcleish might want bannan , were links earlier but seems to have gone quiet.

Reading offered £7m for tom ince and mcdermott hopeful of doing the deal .
Big sam says he thinks diame will go - both decent players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 12:05:30 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: rutski on January 29, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
You can glue your eyes open and stay on this thread until Thursday and you will not miss anything. No signings coming to Villa.
Should i be wrong i expect everybody to take the piss ! I hope you take the piss btw.

I think it will be a deadline day scramble with three in and one out.
And the one out eastie ?

No idea but hopefully bannan!
bannan gets some undeserved stick on here, maybe he isnt as talented as we would like or maybe he believes, but i will give the kid one thing. He tries damn hard. then out of the corner of my eye whilst watching bannan try but not quite succeed, i see that little pixie faced good for nothing fucker stephen ireland, sitting on the bench content with his lot, earning his 60-80k a week and we are having a go at bannan.

if there is any fucker who needs prising, slinging or generally casting away it is this little shit bag ireland! he should be ashamed of himself!

Got to agree. I like Bannan a lot, i think there's a really clever footballer there but he needs taking out the team but with us being so short on numbers at the moment, he's going to be involved. As Rutski touched on, at least he always looks interested and the fact that he get's picked ahead of Ireland says it all.

I know you don't have to be big to be a footballer, but it is a physical game and someone of his stature needs a lot of ability to make up for it. He does have ability, but not enough to do that. Hence getting his best position becomes difficult, as footballing wise it's central midfield, but that loses us a lot muscle wise against some of the physical players we'll come up against in the PL.

I've previously said I'm unsure about him playing further forward, due to him not seeming to carry enough of a goal threat, but if he's going to make it at this level then I think that's where he needs to play!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 12:06:56 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
Fair enough clamps, personally i dont think either bannan or ireland are good enough to be in our team .

I think they both are. The problem is one's trying his best but needs taking out the team and the other looks as if he dose'nt want to be here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM: Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 12:13:04 PM: Personally I'm unwilling to write Bannan off until he's had a run in the role nzogbia has played recently. I think he could do a really good job there, he's busy and positive, 70 yards from goal that translates to a player who gets called a headless chicken who is 'hollywood' but around the edge of the box he could be much more effective.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
I hate to put a dampner on things but if Sissokos wage demands were considered too much I can't see us stumping up for Diame
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 29, 2013, 12:15:01 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
Personally I'm unwilling to write Bannan off until he's had a run in the role nzogbia has played recently. I think he could do a really good job there, he's busy and positive, 70 yards from goal that translates to a player who gets called a headless chicken who is 'hollywood' but around the edge of the box he could be much more effective.

The trouble is that N'Zogbia is much better suited to that, and is more of a goal threat. I can't see Bannan going past players to be honest, and he's too small to go toe to toe with defenders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:15:31 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
I hate to put a dampner on things but if Sissokos wage demands were considered too much I can't see us stumping up for Diame

Was it his wage demands or the fact the barcodes offered him a 35year contract?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 12:15:43 PM: Please sign Diame Villa, again an ideal player. Although not sure why he'd sign for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:16:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
Please sign Diame Villa, again an ideal player. Although not sure why he'd sign for us.

Would want big wages thats for sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:17:42 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
Please sign Diame Villa, again an ideal player. Although not sure why he'd sign for us.

If(and that's a big IF) we met his wage demands and a relegation release clause he'd sign! He's a modern day footballer they go anywhere that will pay them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 12:18:39 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 29, 2013, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
Personally I'm unwilling to write Bannan off until he's had a run in the role nzogbia has played recently. I think he could do a really good job there, he's busy and positive, 70 yards from goal that translates to a player who gets called a headless chicken who is 'hollywood' but around the edge of the box he could be much more effective.

The trouble is that N'Zogbia is much better suited to that, and is more of a goal threat. I can't see Bannan going past players to be honest, and he's too small to go toe to toe with defenders.

Different players though, both can have a place for us.

Besides I'd rather we play Benteke on his own with a 3 behind who can all switch places, Bannan, Weimann and Nzogbia would be the best 3 we can pick currently, in my opinion at least.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 12:19:31 PM: I completely disagree that you have to be basically brilliant to make up for a lack of size. It's about learning how to use what you've got. James Morrison is a much better player physically than Peter Crouch.

As for Bannan in attacking midfield, that seems totally obvious to me, and it's also obvious that Bannan shouldn't be in defensive midfield. It's like putting Weimann in goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 29, 2013, 12:23:33 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
I hate to put a dampner on things but if Sissokos wage demands were considered too much I can't see us stumping up for Diame

Dont write QPR out of the equation, have it on good source they were interested early in transfer window, but not sure if they have sorted out centre mid now. Apparently willing to pay release fee and double his wages
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:25:29 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 29, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
I hate to put a dampner on things but if Sissokos wage demands were considered too much I can't see us stumping up for Diame

Dont write QPR out of the equation, have it on good source they were interested early in transfer window, but not sure if they have sorted out centre mid now. Apparently willing to pay release fee and double his wages

Saw redknapp waxing lyrical about diame , also seems keen on crouch now as well- he will be like a cat on a hot tin roof on thursday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 29, 2013, 12:28:59 PM: We have to learn from our mistakes of the past two years.

If you want a player badly enough, go and get him. If another team are sniffing around you have to present something to hook them.

If it came down to a choice of having one or two additional big earners on the books or guaranteeing we will be playing our trade at the likes of Millwall next season I know which one I would choose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 12:41:42 PM: Diame is ideal for us, big strong, creative, good tackler, ideal really.

I like the look of the Chester lad at Hull too, could be gettable on decent wages.

Tom Ince would be a great signing for anyone. Fee high but wages not so.

None of it matters if the centre of midfield is still as weak as it is now though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2013, 12:46:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Saw redknapp waxing lyrical about diame , also seems keen on crouch now as well- he will be like a cat on a hot tin roof on thursday.
My ironyometre just exploded.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 12:49:10 PM: Crouch to QPR, Graham to Sunderland, Jones to Swansea, Bent to Stoke for big money on deadline day, with maybe a couple coming in exchange?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 12:50:57 PM: Darren Bent to Stoke would be a complete pisstake.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:52:40 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Darren Bent to Stoke would be a complete pisstake.
Darren Bent to anybody would be a complete pisstake

I'd rather get a new manager in who can play to his strengths
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 12:59:12 PM: If he started every week yes, but if the chairman is sticking with Lambert, then selling Bent to fund say 3 additions then it could change us as a side completely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on January 29, 2013, 01:00:43 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Darren Bent to Stoke would be a complete pisstake.

Someone told me he was up here at the KC stadium in Hull yesterday.

I wonder if Steve Bruce makes a nice cuppa?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2013, 01:12:38 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.

Have a day off Captain sensible. We're only having the craic.

If I remember rightly Captain Sensible was oxymoronic in the sense that he was anything other than sensible in appearance :-)

Mr Logic it is then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 29, 2013, 01:14:21 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on January 29, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 12:09:54 PM
Big Sam questioned about Diame said he can't guarantee he will still be at Upton Park on Feb 1st. SSN saying us and Arsenal interested.
I hate to put a dampner on things but if Sissokos wage demands were considered too much I can't see us stumping up for Diame

Dont write QPR out of the equation, have it on good source they were interested early in transfer window, but not sure if they have sorted out centre mid now. Apparently willing to pay release fee and double his wages

Saw redknapp waxing lyrical about diame , also seems keen on crouch now as well- he will be like a cat on a hot tin roof on thursday.

Didnt Crouch start off at QPR? As for Diame, my director has conntections high up at West Ham and was adamant at start of window that QPR had offered massive wages for him. Wonder if he is hanging on to see if anyone else comes in for him, must be really keen on going to Arry not
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 01:15:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
If he started every week yes, but if the chairman is sticking with Lambert, then selling Bent to fund say 3 additions then it could change us as a side completely.

Yeah that's my thinking. If were sticking with PL sell bent spend the cash where we need it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:17:48 PM: Quote from: mrastonvilla on January 29, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Darren Bent to Stoke would be a complete pisstake.

Someone told me he was up here at the KC stadium in Hull yesterday.

I wonder if Steve Bruce makes a nice cuppa?

So, does 2 + 2 = Bent being the latest footballer to have a dabble with Potato Head's daughter?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:18:03 PM: The fact is our midfield is so shit we need to play 3 CM's and because they can't link anything together past halfway it's pretty much guaranteed we need to play Benteke up top to keep hold of the ball, Weimann on the right to work hard and run the channels and Gabby / N'Zog on the left to run around and deliver crosses (occassionally).

There really is no place for Bent with a midfield as bad as ours. However, if we sign somebody like Diame, I reckon that we could actually survive with 2 CM in midfield, have N'Zog / Weimann / Holman / Gabby on the flanks and throw Bent and Benteke up top. The only thing that is holding us back at the moment is that Bannan is a worthless little shit and Westwood can't link play up top.

A central midfield of Diame and KEA with Bent playing would be vastly superior to Bannan, Delph and Westwood shitting the place up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 01:20:46 PM: 'Little shit'? As someone over the page said, at least he's trying his hardest while Ireland leans back, puts his feet up and picks up his wages. Don't rate him as a footballer? That's fine. Call him a 'little shit'? Very strange.

Also, our midfield is so shit we need to play three? Yeah, like Barca's is so shit they need to play three. Three in midfield isn't a weakness, it's a tactic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 29, 2013, 01:22:38 PM: Ah... I'm thinking, actually, we won't get anyone now. There's not a sniff to be had, we play tonight, the window closes late on Thursday. Can't see it happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM: Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 29, 2013, 01:25:26 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.

Have a day off Captain sensible. We're only having the craic.

If I remember rightly Captain Sensible was oxymoronic in the sense that he was anything other than sensible in appearance :-)

It's been a long time since I've seen any Happy Talk on H&V
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 01:28:24 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.

One of the few positives in this Annus horribilis! Amazing what some people see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:28:54 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 29, 2013, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
Do his opinions merit a patronising, if not disparaging response as to what type of place he works. You might disagree with what he says, but to then equate that to his job is in poor taste in my view.

Have a day off Captain sensible. We're only having the craic.

If I remember rightly Captain Sensible was oxymoronic in the sense that he was anything other than sensible in appearance :-)

It's been a long time since I've seen any Happy Talk on H&V

Yes, it's like Village of the Dammed sometimes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 29, 2013, 01:30:00 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on January 29, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
Darren Bent to Stoke would be a complete pisstake.

Someone told me he was up here at the KC stadium in Hull yesterday.

I wonder if Steve Bruce makes a nice cuppa?

So, does 2 + 2 = Bent being the latest footballer to have a dabble with Potato Head's daughter?

Wasn't he involved with Potato Heads daughter at time he moved to us ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:32:26 PM: This probably applies to why we didnt get sissoko as well-

Redknapp does rue the club’s failure to pinch another Toulouse midfielder Moussa Sissoko, who joined Newcastle for a cut-price £3.5million last week.

He said: “Sissoko’s a fantastic signing. I’d liked to have got him but Newcastle have absolutely nicked him.

“He’s a real powerhouse and I saw him destroy the England under 21 team a couple of years ago - he was the best player on the pitch. He’ll be a real good player in England.

“We didn’t really get that near to him - we were just told that he wouldn’t come here.

“The figures were very high but it still worked out cheap as there was no transfer fee. But he’s a good siging and I think Newcastle will do well with the players they have signed.”
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:32:51 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.

I'm talking about the Bannan, Westwood and Delph combination. Possibly the worst midfield that Villa have ever had. Put Diame and KEA in the centre or possibly Diame and Westwood and we would be twice the side we are now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:37:02 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.

I'm talking about the Bannan, Westwood and Delph combination. Possibly the worst midfield that Villa have ever had. Put Diame and KEA in the centre or possibly Diame and Westwood and we would be twice the side we are now.

Well, we've tried putting KEA in there and it's not exactly worked!

Westwood and Bannan have been our best pairing in terms of possession and use of the ball, but then they do lack something defensively when we're under the cosh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 01:39:17 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.

I'm talking about the Bannan, Westwood and Delph combination. Possibly the worst midfield that Villa have ever had. Put Diame and KEA in the centre or possibly Diame and Westwood and we would be twice the side we are now.

Well, we've tried putting KEA in there and it's not exactly worked!

Westwood and Bannan have been our best pairing in terms of possession and use of the ball, but then they do lack something defensively when we're under the cosh.

They lack a lot defensively, and they often end up too deep to influence the attacks. Westwood can do good defensive things - he must have a very high interceptions-per-game count - but Bannan in there just looks terribly weird.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM: I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:42:33 PM: Coutinho arriving at melwood - another class player missed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2013, 01:42:54 PM: A free role on the bench.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:43:46 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Not for me , hes had more than enough chances now , not good enough at this level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2013, 01:44:03 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
A free role on the bench.
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:42:33 PM
Coutinho arriving at melwood - another class player missed.
I doubt we was ever in the running. Too expensive. He probably has the quality, but is he what we needed?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:44:46 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westwood 'shitting the place up'? Hardly he's been good and very promising.

I'm talking about the Bannan, Westwood and Delph combination. Possibly the worst midfield that Villa have ever had. Put Diame and KEA in the centre or possibly Diame and Westwood and we would be twice the side we are now.

Well, we've tried putting KEA in there and it's not exactly worked!

Westwood and Bannan have been our best pairing in terms of possession and use of the ball, but then they do lack something defensively when we're under the cosh.

Id say our best combination have been westwood and delph.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 01:45:30 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2013, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
A free role on the bench.
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:42:33 PM
Coutinho arriving at melwood - another class player missed.
I doubt we was ever in the running. Too expensive. He probably has the quality, but is he what we needed?

Correct, another pint sized midfielder is hardly what we need at the moment!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:46:24 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Westwood alongside a new DC and Bannan pushed further forward would be fine with me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SteveN on January 29, 2013, 01:46:36 PM: My sole contribution to this thread. We will make one signing, Bridcutt from Brighton, young, big'ish a defensive midfielder and probably will not cost much.

No inside knowledge just a feeling in my bones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:48:05 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Westwood alongside a new DC and Bannan pushed further forward would be fine with me.

And me too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 29, 2013, 01:48:23 PM: This Birdcunt at Brighton keeps being mentioned, is he any good?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 01:49:12 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Maybe play him central in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1, with Zog wide right and Weimann in the role Gabby's been anonymous in recently, cutting in from wide left. He also works ball-buggeringly hard, so would provide decent support to whichever of our terrible, terrible left-backs is playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:50:22 PM: I'm not sure how anyone can claim Coutinho is a class player yet, he might be but who knows. Tim Vickery said he's pretty lazy, not commited and would probably struggle in England.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 29, 2013, 01:52:27 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role.

Replace 'role' with 'transfer' Clampy and i'd agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 01:52:32 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
I'm not sure how anyone can claim Coutinho is a class player yet, he might be but who knows. Tim Vickery said he's pretty lazy, not commited and would probably struggle in England.

He would fit in nicely here then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:52:39 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Westwood alongside a new DC and Bannan pushed further forward would be fine with me.

I'd scrap 3 in midfield altogether and have Bent playing. Play more like Man Utd than Barcelona. Carrick and Scholes / Anderson still manage to hold things together. I think a Diame and Westwood partnership would be equally effective in our much worse side. Would certainly create more space for N'Zogbia / Benteke to drift between the defence and midfield to hold the ball up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 01:54:00 PM: Quote from: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Westwood alongside a new DC and Bannan pushed further forward would be fine with me.

I'd scrap 3 in midfield altogether and have Bent playing. Play more like Man Utd than Barcelona. Carrick and Scholes / Anderson still manage to hold things together. I think a Diame and Westwood partnership would be equally effective in our much worse side. Would certainly create more space for N'Zogbia / Benteke to drift between the defence and midfield to hold the ball up.

Wouldn't Westwood shit the place up? ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2013, 01:56:04 PM: Quote from: SteveN on January 29, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
My sole contribution to this thread. We will make one signing, Bridcutt from Brighton, young, big'ish a defensive midfielder and probably will not cost much.

No inside knowledge just a feeling in my bones.

He's 5'7" and is of a similar build to Delph. Looks a decent player though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:01:18 PM: If we are to go for a cheap lower-league midfielder, then it may as well be Trotter. Just for his physical presence if nothing else. Wasn't great against us but our team just bounced off him whenever he had the ball.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:01:31 PM: Double post.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 02:11:20 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
If we are to go for a cheap lower-league midfielder, then it may as well be Trotter. Just for his physical presence if nothing else. Wasn't great against us but our team just bounced off him whenever he had the ball.

Del or rodney?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 29, 2013, 02:14:52 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 29, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
This Birdcunt at Brighton keeps being mentioned, is he any good?

I think he will lay an egg if he comes here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 02:19:22 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
If we are to go for a cheap lower-league midfielder, then it may as well be Trotter. Just for his physical presence if nothing else. Wasn't great against us but our team just bounced off him whenever he had the ball.

Del or rodney?

We need experience - Uncle Albert!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:21:29 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 02:11:20 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
If we are to go for a cheap lower-league midfielder, then it may as well be Trotter. Just for his physical presence if nothing else. Wasn't great against us but our team just bounced off him whenever he had the ball.

Del or rodney?
Del boy as manager, Rodney as DMC? It could work.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 02:24:01 PM: If Diame had a choice between Arsenal, and staying in London, or Villa i think we know the one he would choose, don't we ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 02:29:08 PM: Yes. HS2 will make travelling to London a doddle from the Four Oaks riviera.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 02:31:27 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 29, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 29, 2013, 01:41:02 PM
I've said this a few times but Bannan needs a free role. He'd look a much better player for it.

Maybe play him central in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1, with Zog wide right and Weimann in the role Gabby's been anonymous in recently, cutting in from wide left. He also works ball-buggeringly hard, so would provide decent support to whichever of our terrible, terrible left-backs is playing.

That's my thinking on it. Put Westwood and a big physical presence in the middle behind them and tell the full backs to bomb forward to overlap when nzog/weimann cut inside.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 02:32:10 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
Yes. HS2 will make travelling to London a doddle from the Four Oaks riviera.
His Bentley may make it easier to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2013, 02:40:45 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 29, 2013, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2013, 09:17:49 AM
There was a three man challenge on a Blues player at the Sty a couple of years ago. I think it was Warnock, Collins and Dunne. The three went in at the same time and I thought that the ball was likely to burst. The Blues player must have shit himself. That is the commitment we need. For too long last season, we had people moaning about Hutton being a dirty player. The first job of a full back is to tackle. If you have to put the frighteners on the opponent in the process then so be it. I can't remember fans of Liverpool and Chelsea complaining about Tommy Smith and Ron Harris respectively. There is no room for powder puff football when you are in the mire like we are.

Huttons problem wasn't that he liked a tackle, it was that he was late far too often. Lets not glam him up as a superstar who we're going to miss terribly, this is a guy who could easily have had 4-5 red cards last year for lunging through his man after the ball was gone.

As for Warnock, he's been dropped because of his attitude not his ability, as I've said before, if half the rumours about him are true then I want him nowhere near the team, aside from that, he was hardly playing well, probably not as badly as Bennett has at times but not enough to overlook the fact that he's a wanker.

And they're both walking free kicks.

The last thing we need to bring into the team are two masters of the mistimed tackle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 02:44:10 PM: With our current defending at set pieces putting Hutton and Warnock back in the side would be suicidal. Glad we've got rid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 29, 2013, 03:06:06 PM: So what role for Uncle Albert :) He like to destroy things, so is he an attacking midfeidler with wayward shooting with lot of goals :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 03:10:31 PM: Lots of noise on Twitter about Malouda being a done deal. Whilst I feel he has something to offer the team, there are more pressing matters that need addressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 03:14:19 PM: Malouda? That's a wind-up. He's semi-retired looking for the last big pay-out, surely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 29, 2013, 03:14:58 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 03:10:31 PM
Lots of noise on Twitter about Malouda being a done deal. Whilst I feel he has something to offer the team, there are more pressing matters that need addressing.
Did we tell him he will be playing at centre back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:15:43 PM: He's 32. I dont think he's quite ready for his pension yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 03:16:58 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
He's 32. I dont think he's quite ready for his pension yet.

But he left Chelsea for a pay out at home. Not that I'd object to his signing at all, certainly not on age, but I thought his mentality was the semi-retired one. I'd love that not to be the case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:17:44 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 29, 2013, 03:14:19 PM
Malouda? That's a wind-up. He's semi-retired looking for the last big pay-out, surely.
Has to be a wind up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:20:32 PM: Struggling to think of a player with an attitude less suited to our side than Malouda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 03:21:19 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Struggling to think of a player with an attitude less suited to our side than Malouda.

However, physically there isn't one we could use more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:22:03 PM: Malouda will do for starters - now for the next three.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 29, 2013, 03:23:38 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 29, 2013, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
He's 32. I dont think he's quite ready for his pension yet.

But he left Chelsea for a pay out at home. Not that I'd object to his signing at all, certainly not on age, but I thought his mentality was the semi-retired one. I'd love that not to be the case.
According to Wiki he refused to join clubs that wanted him because he wanted to keep his £80k a week. We already have Stephen Ireland occupying the mercenary role in the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:24:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Malouda will do for starters - now for the next three.
It's a 100% wind up eastie, of that i am sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 29, 2013, 03:25:04 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Struggling to think of a player with an attitude less suited to our side than Malouda.

Stephen Ireland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:25:27 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
Struggling to think of a player with an attitude less suited to our side than Malouda.

Sorry, I might be behind the news a bit here. What did he do to deserve that accolade?
All I know is that he was absolute class for Chelsea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:25:44 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Malouda will do for starters - now for the next three.
It's a 100% wind up eastie, of that i am sure.

Would be a decent signing if we got him in - maybe you are right dan but its nice to hear some kind of link.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:28:13 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Malouda will do for starters - now for the next three.
It's a 100% wind up eastie, of that i am sure.

Would be a decent signing if we got him in - maybe you are right dan but its nice to hear some kind of link.
I agree, but i just cannot see this being true, not with the stupid wages he would want, you never know though i suppose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:29:02 PM: £100k phew-

Fifty-six days into Rafael Benitez's reign at Chelsea and Florent Malouda has STILL not met the Spaniard.
The French winger was a key part of the Champions League-winning side last season despite being dropped for the final but he was told he was free to leave the club last summer.
A move failed to materialise though and Malouda has made it quite clear he is happy to see out his £100,000-a-week contract at the club, which runs until June.

Surplus: Florent Malouda has not played this season and seems unlikely to return
Malouda was initially frozen out by Roberto Di Matteo and Chelsea interim manager Benitez has been happy to continue that policy since he took over in November.
Malouda has played 149 times for the club since arriving in 2007, scoring 35 goals.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2263407/Florent-Malouda-met-Rafael-Benitez-Chelsea.html#ixzz2JNXkYO5C
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Le Lapin on January 29, 2013, 03:30:25 PM: If the guy was motivated and kept his gob shut he'd be a good option for us. Gamble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:31:44 PM: Just read something on F365 about players available on the cheap, and one of them suggested was Flamini.

That's not a bad shout. Have to do a lot of negotiation with Milan on his wages (they're big), but he'd be a good addition to our midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 03:32:54 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Malouda will do for starters - now for the next three.
It's a 100% wind up eastie, of that i am sure.

Would be a decent signing if we got him in - maybe you are right dan but its nice to hear some kind of link.
I agree, but i just cannot see this being true, not with the stupid wages he would want, you never know though i suppose.

It's a loan, think Benyanoun to WHUFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:33:23 PM: 100K a week. Out of our range by a mile. Unless we loan him and pay half the wage bill ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 03:33:48 PM: I like Malouda and compared to someone like N'Zog he's a massive step up in class. I just don't think thats the priority. Obviously if there's players in the real problem area's arriving as well then fair enough
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 03:36:39 PM: I imagine if we said to Chelsea we'll pay £20,000 a week to loan him for the season, they'd agree. Him in addition to a defensive midfielder and a defender would be good business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:38:13 PM: He wouldn't/couldn't expect anything like that for a new contract though, which is probably why he wanted to sit his Chelsea contract out.

That said, I'm not saying I think its a goer. I doubt it is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:40:26 PM: This one can stay under the Lies, Absolute Crap section of this thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 03:41:24 PM: If he comes I can see it going one of 3 ways:

1. Comes shows what he can do and fucks off elsewhere in the summer.

2. Comes shows what he can do falls in love with Birmingham and signs for life.

3. Comes is shit and fucks off elsewhere in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 03:42:22 PM: To be fair, if he is just coming on loan, it won't be about the money. We will probably not be paying alot towards his wages either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 03:42:58 PM: Pay a percentage of his wage, gets him off chelseas hands and gives him a chance to play and put himself in the shop window for a summer move somewhere .

Wishful thinking probably...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:44:10 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 29, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
If he comes I can see it going one of 3 ways:

1. Comes shows what he can do and fucks off elsewhere in the summer.

2. Comes shows what he can do falls in love with Birmingham and signs for life.

3. Comes is shit and fucks off elsewhere in the summer.
Option 1 followed by option 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 03:45:46 PM: Its a no brainer i think wages wise. Chelsea will take what they can get off us but pay the rest, makes no odds to them. He's got 6 months to show interested clubs he can still do it or indeed us. What's he got to lose?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 29, 2013, 03:46:17 PM: option 4. comes in, is shit and gets offered a long term contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:47:03 PM: And if we could get him, could we get him in without baggy faced transfer spider Harry Redknapp trying to steal him away into his cobweb of any player going.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rutski on January 29, 2013, 03:47:23 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
Just read something on F365 about players available on the cheap, and one of them suggested was Flamini.

That's not a bad shout. Have to do a lot of negotiation with Milan on his wages (they're big), but he'd be a good addition to our midfield.
now, flamini would be a good shout.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Boz on January 29, 2013, 03:48:02 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 29, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
option 4. comes in, is shit and gets offered a long term contract.

::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 03:48:41 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 03:45:46 PM
Its a no brainer i think wages wise. Chelsea will take what they can get off us but pay the rest, makes no odds to them. He's got 6 months to show interested clubs he can still do it or indeed us. What's he got to lose?

My thought process as well. Also he'd have good reason to be fairly motivated to perform.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 29, 2013, 03:48:47 PM: Has Owen Hargreaves found himself a club yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: j66acd on January 29, 2013, 03:49:59 PM: Just had the Sky Sports app open on my phone checking the fixtures for tonight and noticed Villa/Beckham ruled out.

I almost fell off my chair until I read the story and found out it was David Villa and Beckham to Arsenal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 03:50:31 PM: Quote from: Boz on January 29, 2013, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 29, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
option 4. comes in, is shit and gets offered a long term contract.

::) ::) ::)
So he is of to Newcastle then ? ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 03:51:16 PM: We don't want him beyond the summer anyway do we? He would be a short-term signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 29, 2013, 03:53:27 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 29, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Has Owen Hargreaves found himself a club yet?

I think he signed on with the Brittle Bone Society
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 29, 2013, 03:55:40 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 29, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Has Owen Hargreaves found himself a club yet?
He's having a year off. Strange one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 03:56:32 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 29, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Has Owen Hargreaves found himself a club yet?

Yes. A nice Callaway 3 wood.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 29, 2013, 04:00:26 PM: What's Darren Anderton up to these days? Worth a shout surely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 29, 2013, 04:00:58 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 29, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Has Owen Hargreaves found himself a club yet?

last I heard, he was training with QPR but hadn't been offered anything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 04:02:00 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 29, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
What's Darren Anderton up to these days? Worth a shout surely.
He has retired due to injury i think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 29, 2013, 04:10:29 PM: Anybody who helps us to stay up will be welcomed with open arms by me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on January 29, 2013, 04:41:29 PM: It's some twitter "agent" claiming the Malouda deal. Also saying we're interested in Grant Holt. Ah well, I missed the Villa transfer bullshit tbh. It's better than the umpteenth article saying we have no money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 29, 2013, 04:52:24 PM: Kevin Richardson would be a great opening transfer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 04:55:26 PM: Looking at the list on Sky Sports website, Hangelaand and Holden would both be good signings for Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 29, 2013, 04:57:53 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Looking at the list on Sky Sports website, Hangelaand and Holden would both be good signings for Villa.

Hangelaand would be perfect, not seen very much of Holden to be honest - wasn't there another Holden in the '90s?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2013, 05:02:28 PM: Hangelaand is pretty good, not the Laursen-esque player some thought a few years ago but good nonetheless - bit better than what we have!

Stuart Holden would be great - dynamic, technically good, good mentality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2013, 05:05:17 PM: Like Holden but he's had a rotten time with injuries. Is he playing again now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 29, 2013, 05:07:32 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Looking at the list on Sky Sports website, Hangelaand and Holden would both be good signings for Villa.

Won't be any signings in my opinion. Randy and PL know best - we ''go again'' with what we've got! I fear our midfield will get overrun tonight. You can almost see relegation unfolding before your eyes - we'll also get battered at Everton this Saturday - remember our opening home game back in August? I had bad vibes then about this season.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 05:17:03 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 29, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Looking at the list on Sky Sports website, Hangelaand and Holden would both be good signings for Villa.

Won't be any signings in my opinion. Randy and PL know best - we ''go again'' with what we've got! I fear our midfield will get overrun tonight. You can almost see relegation unfolding before your eyes - we'll also get battered at Everton this Saturday - remember our opening home game back in August? I had bad vibes then about this season.....

Hey dont ruin the air of positivity over the last hour !
Two hours away from a huge game - get with it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 05:29:26 PM: Quote from: Belgian Villain on January 29, 2013, 04:41:29 PM
It's some twitter "agent" claiming the Malouda deal. Also saying we're interested in Grant Holt. Ah well, I missed the Villa transfer bullshit tbh. It's better than the umpteenth article saying we have no money.
It's been reported in the Times too. Can't get a link since you have to pay to read their online stuff. This is the best I could get: www.twitpic.com/bza0tb
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 05:32:45 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 29, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on January 29, 2013, 04:41:29 PM
It's some twitter "agent" claiming the Malouda deal. Also saying we're interested in Grant Holt. Ah well, I missed the Villa transfer bullshit tbh. It's better than the umpteenth article saying we have no money.
It's been reported in the Times too. Can't get a link since you have to pay to read their online stuff. This is the best I could get: www.twitpic.com/bza0tb
Now i am getting interested in this possibility.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: FatSam on January 29, 2013, 05:46:08 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
Just read something on F365 about players available on the cheap, and one of them suggested was Flamini.

That's not a bad shout. Have to do a lot of negotiation with Milan on his wages (they're big), but he'd be a good addition to our midfield.
I read that they've already re-negotiated his wages down when they re-signed him for the season - that's because he has struggled with injuries (missing a whole season).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 29, 2013, 05:48:56 PM: Come on Lerner pull your finger out or do you intend to give us Villa fans the finger until next summer once we have been relegated...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2013, 06:02:22 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 29, 2013, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Looking at the list on Sky Sports website, Hangelaand and Holden would both be good signings for Villa.

Hangelaand would be perfect, not seen very much of Holden to be honest - wasn't there another Holden in the '90s?
When we were good Holden would have been a very decent signing. Now that we're shit he'd be a phenomenal signing.

You can pretty much pin-point the moment that Bolton went from being a mid-table Premier League team to a mid-table Championship team as his serious injury.

If there's any chance that he's now over it then he should be the one player we try to sign in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2013, 06:43:42 PM: Holden? Apart from Caulfield the only other one I know is the actress turned reality-tv judgementalist. Was she a Villa fan in The Grimleys?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 06:46:54 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 29, 2013, 06:43:42 PM
Holden? Apart from Caulfield the only other one I know is the actress turned reality-tv judgementalist. Was she a Villa fan in The Grimleys?

Not sure but id love to see her play in the hole!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on January 29, 2013, 06:47:18 PM: It would be nice if we could get Hangelaand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 07:01:48 PM: Quote from: Riiich91utv on January 29, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV
This guy is dillusional - his name is Dave, works at the Boat in Catherine-de-Barnes
You all might remember him....he's the one in the blue away shirt

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FFRQ3bXCHW4

My name is Richard??? And i certainly wasnt at Villa Park when Mcleish arrived
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2013, 07:07:28 PM: Quote from: richtheholtender on January 29, 2013, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: Riiich91utv on January 29, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: richtheholtender on January 28, 2013, 11:16:29 PM
I bet Hutton marks Messi out the game when they play Barca. I will miss your visits to the shop, If you had of asked you could have had your photo with me. Commitment levels never in doubt, and 100 times better than Lowton. Good luck, UTV
This guy is dillusional - his name is Dave, works at the Boat in Catherine-de-Barnes
You all might remember him....he's the one in the blue away shirt

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FFRQ3bXCHW4

My name is Richard??? And i certainly wasnt at Villa Park when Mcleish arrived
Nice. "this bloke Rich, he's called Dave".

The Hutton stuff is still hilariously wrong though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 07:10:50 PM: I would take Williamson from Newcastles bench into our side.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 29, 2013, 07:12:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
I would take Williamson from Newcastles bench into our side.

You really wouldn't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 29, 2013, 07:18:41 PM: Malouda is an odd choice. Hardly covered himself in glory with his attitude. Not really a player for the positions we look weakest and would probably mean a change in formation than PL seems to play. That said, he was a fantastic winger two years ago. Interesting.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: russon on January 29, 2013, 07:37:22 PM: Chris Samba would be a great buy (not that any interest has been registered by us). If old baggy face at QPR can tempt him then why can't we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 29, 2013, 09:20:03 PM: Quote from: russon on January 29, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Chris Samba would be a great buy (not that any interest has been registered by us). If old baggy face at QPR can tempt him then why can't we?

100k a week on Russian Gas Money. nah
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2013, 09:47:17 PM: We need a fucking miracle now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on January 29, 2013, 10:15:17 PM: malouda from chelsea reserves on loan please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 29, 2013, 10:15:24 PM: If I were Lambert - Find a club

Who need a striker and have couple of quality midfielders and left back. Swap Bent for New Powerful Midfielder, and Left Back and perhaps a young player

Sell Agbonlahor to Sunderland for 10 millions

Buy 2 strikers to compete with Benteke and Weinnman with 10 millions

Use the money in kitty to buy another midfielder and central half.

Get a wide man on loan.

and hire a new defensive coach to help out Lambert.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 29, 2013, 10:30:20 PM: Agree with selling Bent. Totally disinterested tonight, & Benteke is a better prospect should be survive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:01:14 PM: We have to go with Benteke and Weimann up front, with Gabby left and N'Zog on the right. Let's just sell Bent now and use the money on someone to organise the midfield. Please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:02:35 PM: We are apparently quite pointlessly going to trigger the release clause in Diame's contract. No doubt he will tell us to do one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2013, 11:08:40 PM: Sell Bent. All our problems are solved.

Who. The. Fuck. To?

It's not a case of phoning up Stoke or Everton and saying "give us £10m and we'll send you Darren Bent". You need interest and an actual buyer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 29, 2013, 11:11:06 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 29, 2013, 07:18:41 PM
Malouda is an odd choice. Hardly covered himself in glory with his attitude. Not really a player for the positions we look weakest and would probably mean a change in formation than PL seems to play. That said, he was a fantastic winger two years ago. Interesting.

and the sulkyest wingers award goes to .......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2013, 11:11:55 PM: I agree that Bent shouldn't be starting but he could potentially do a job from the bench in certain games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:12:38 PM: Diame should've been purusued much more in the summer.

I'm pretty sure he didn't move to West Ham until the end of June so plenty of time for Lambert to make contact then.

Yeah don't understand this either. I'd imagine he'd have been on 20k a week at Wigan, 30k + now at West Ham so we'd have to offer 40k + surely especially with Arsenal sniffing. Now if we can't afford to give Sissoko from the french league a decent wage....

Couple of others...yes please to Hangeland. Him and I'd be much more confident on set pieces.

Not sure on Malouda, been frozen out at Chelsea and was shite in a few of the games they played him centrally last season.

I see Benayoun was on their bench, possible half season loan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:12:51 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 29, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
If I were Lambert - Find a club

Who need a striker and have couple of quality midfielders and left back. Swap Bent for New Powerful Midfielder, and Left Back and perhaps a young player

Sell Agbonlahor to Sunderland for 10 millions

Buy 2 strikers to compete with Benteke and Weinnman with 10 millions

Use the money in kitty to buy another midfielder and central half.

Get a wide man on loan.

and hire a new defensive coach to help out Lambert.

No way would we get £10m for gabby.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:13:19 PM: I really don't see the point in signing Malouda. As a signing last August, yes. Now? As useful as tits on a fish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 29, 2013, 11:14:07 PM: For the last few days now SSN seems to have been an endless loop of reporters throwing every name they can think of at Redknapp and the dodgy geezer quite happy to play along and bat back with "good player". Every time. Talk about trying to create a story out of nothing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2013, 11:14:15 PM: Quote from: russon on January 29, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
Chris Samba would be a great buy (not that any interest has been registered by us). If old baggy face at QPR can tempt him then why can't we?

Quote from: Dave on January 29, 2013, 12:57:29 PM
Apparently he's earning £100k per week at Anzhi, on the majority of which he pays 30% tax rather than the 45% that he'd be paying on the bulk of it if he joins us.

So to maintain his current income we'd probably need to triple the wage of our current highest earners, who we're keen to move along anyway.

Christopher Samba is about as off our current radar as Messi is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 11:19:48 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:02:35 PM
We are apparently quite pointlessly going to trigger the release clause in Diame's contract. No doubt he will tell us to do one.

Is that solid info Karl?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:21:17 PM: A shame as again Samba would be fantastic and would be a magnetic to those set piece delieveries.

Again someone that should've been pursued more when he was at Blackburn.

I don't understand why we're not looking at the loan market more tbh especially with the board reluctant to get permanent signings in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:21:47 PM: Why would Diame come here?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:26:57 PM: Dunno, but if we can get him too somehow it would be a massive signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:28:54 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:21:47 PM
Why would Diame come here?

Cant see it - he will go to arsenal i think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 29, 2013, 11:30:03 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
Dunno, but if we can get him too somehow it would be a massive signing.
He won't come near us with a shitty stick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:30:35 PM: No one worth their salt will choose us, unless we pay the kind of wages usually associated with LA Lakers or the bloke who does Susan Boyle's laundry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 29, 2013, 11:31:45 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:30:35 PM
No one worth their salt will choose us, unless we pay the kind of wages usually associated with LA Lakers or the bloke who does Susan Boyle's laundry.

this tickled me ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:35:05 PM: Players would come, but you have to offer them money and stuff. Has anybody explained this 'capitalism' deal to the club?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:36:19 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:02:35 PM
We are apparently quite pointlessly going to trigger the release clause in Diame's contract. No doubt he will tell us to do one.

Is that solid info Karl?

Yes mate. Also that Sissoko is getting £70k a week at Newcastle, which blew us out the water.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:36:59 PM: At least his post match comments were not no one is coming, and were clearly saying we are still looking and trying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 29, 2013, 11:37:28 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:30:35 PM
No one worth their salt will choose us, unless we pay the kind of wages usually associated with LA Lakers or the bloke who does Susan Boyle's laundry.

Brilliant!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:37:45 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:36:19 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 29, 2013, 11:02:35 PM
We are apparently quite pointlessly going to trigger the release clause in Diame's contract. No doubt he will tell us to do one.

Is that solid info Karl?

Yes mate. Also that Sissoko is getting £70k a week at Newcastle, which blew us out the water.

70k, on a 6.5 year deal was due to the fee being 2 and not 12 million. I can see the reason, but it is a massive contract. Looked the part tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:40:30 PM: No wonder he went there as he'd probably have only been on about 15k at Toulouse!

Diame will be this window's Dempsey I'll quite confidently predict.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:45:21 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
No wonder he went there as he'd probably have only been on about 15k at Toulouse!

Diame will be this window's Dempsey I'll quite confidently predict.

I'd be happy with Makepeace in that midfield
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:46:52 PM: We should scrap the football element and launch ourselves as a scouting organisation. Find all the right players, make the parent club reveal their valuation and then open the field to other clubs, like we appear to have done with Sissoko, Coutinho, Cabaye, Dempsey...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:48:38 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
No wonder he went there as he'd probably have only been on about 15k at Toulouse!

Diame will be this window's Dempsey I'll quite confidently predict.

A lot of Tottenham fans on Twitter can't stand Dempsey. One even posted a message on BBC Sport to the effect that they get worried when he gets involved in their attacking play. It'll be pleasing when they're back in the shit in a few years, the smug twats.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:49:13 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 29, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
No wonder he went there as he'd probably have only been on about 15k at Toulouse!

Diame will be this window's Dempsey I'll quite confidently predict.

Agree. He will never come here now.

We need to have others scouted and be bidding, even if they are lower league IMO. Get 2 strong midfielders in ASAP.

If true Dunne has broken down again too, we need to get a centre back in on loan or bought on the cheap. Upson would do - or surely Henke can find Rob Huth's uglier, bigger cousin!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:50:14 PM: Also, anyone reckon in the merrygo round we will sell Bent and buy Holt? Just a feeling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2013, 11:50:49 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
We should scrap the football element and launch ourselves as a scouting organisation. Find all the right players, make the parent club reveal their valuation and then open the field to other clubs, like we appear to have done with Sissoko, Coutinho, Cabaye, Dempsey...

We've been doing that for years Curious. We did it with Les Ferdinand back in the 90's and Paul Robinson (the keeper) in the early 00's.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:53:14 PM: Said it before but I'd go for Scott Dann, Danny Murphy and John Arne Risse. Very little outlay and would help us no end.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:54:19 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 29, 2013, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 29, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
We should scrap the football element and launch ourselves as a scouting organisation. Find all the right players, make the parent club reveal their valuation and then open the field to other clubs, like we appear to have done with Sissoko, Coutinho, Cabaye, Dempsey...

We've been doing that for years Curious. We did it with Les Ferdinand back in the 90's and Paul Robinson (the keeper) in the early 00's.

"Aston Villa: Scouting the World, So You Don't Have To".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:54:40 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
Said it before but I'd go for Scott Dann, Danny Murphy and John Arne Risse. Very little outlay and would help us no end.
Agree.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 29, 2013, 11:55:48 PM: If Lerner gives the useless numpty any money before the transfer window ends he's a fool. Rather stick with the existing players. Relegation probably, but at least we won't have wasted any more money when the new guy eventually tries to pick up the pieces in the championship
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on January 29, 2013, 11:56:30 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:50:14 PM
Also, anyone reckon in the merrygo round we will sell Bent and buy Holt? Just a feeling.

How about Crouch to QRR, Bent to Stoke and Charlie Adam to us plus cash?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:57:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 29, 2013, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
Said it before but I'd go for Scott Dann, Danny Murphy and John Arne Risse. Very little outlay and would help us no end.
Agree.

Dann and Riise yes. Murphy is fine but you still need an athletic big guy to win and dominate the ball. Diame is perfect, just won't come!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 29, 2013, 11:58:23 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on January 29, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2013, 11:50:14 PM
Also, anyone reckon in the merrygo round we will sell Bent and buy Holt? Just a feeling.

How about Crouch to QRR, Bent to Stoke and Charlie Adam to us plus cash?

I think I'd cry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 29, 2013, 11:59:06 PM: Charlie Adam. Ground zero.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 30, 2013, 12:01:32 AM: The guy on WM (Paul Franks?) reckons he's heard nothing about signings and reckons we won't make any. I'd be pleased to see him wrong but Lambert has made his choice and it's been obvious for a while. We've needed new blood since the Chelsea tonking and it hasn't been forthcoming. I just don't think the lack of activity is anything other than the manager's strategy. If it wasn't, I'd have expected either of the following to happen:

1) Lambert to appeal to Lerner for meagre funds, gets knocked back and quits in protest/lets slip his frustration in a post-match interview or press conference
2) Lambert searches frantically across Europe for precisely the players we need, works his way down the list until he happens upon a gem from the Albanian Division Two who's earning ten bob a week who is delighted to join a club in what's supposed to be one of the best leagues in the world.

The fact that we haven't even had a concrete link to a player, signed one by pure fluke or been told in not so many words by the manager that the whole thing is out of his hands points to Paul Lambert being the man responsible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:05:19 AM: He should have spent the money weeks ago- stubborn git is playing with our future with his risky strategy, too many points dropped!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 12:06:26 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 30, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
The guy on WM (Paul Franks?) reckons he's heard nothing about signings and reckons we won't make any. I'd be pleased to see him wrong but Lambert has made his choice and it's been obvious for a while. We've needed new blood since the Chelsea tonking and it hasn't been forthcoming. I just don't think the lack of activity is anything other than the manager's strategy. If it wasn't, I'd have expected either of the following to happen:

1) Lambert to appeal to Lerner for meagre funds, gets knocked back and quits in protest/lets slip his frustration in a post-match interview or press conference
2) Lambert searches frantically across Europe for precisely the players we need, works his way down the list until he happens upon a gem from the Albanian Division Two who's earning ten bob a week who is delighted to join a club in what's supposed to be one of the best leagues in the world.

The fact that we haven't even had a concrete link to a player, signed one by pure fluke or been told in not so many words by the manager that the whole thing is out of his hands points to Paul Lambert being the man responsible.

yep. Any manager who starts with that midfield and isn't complaining to the media about transfer funds, is either a total yes-man or insane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 12:07:39 AM: Nothing in the morning papers regarding transfers.
Lerner has accepted that we'll relegated by the looks of it. We're going down without even a fight. What that man Lerner is doing to the club is criminal. The sooner he sells up and gets his sorry arse back to States the better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 12:18:26 AM: Yup been no solid links for weeks.

Talk about going down without a fight.Simple truth is this window clubs like Wigan and Norwich will get players in ...utter shambles.I look forward to the day Lerner sells up, at this rate it will be celebrated more than Doug leaving
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM: Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 30, 2013, 12:43:48 AM: This season is a write off for Dunne then, probably played his last game for us.

I would feel a little better about things if it was guarenteed him and Vlaar would play the last 15 games of the season. It wouldn't be perfect but I think things would be better organised particularly with the full backs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 12:47:17 AM: Yeah looks like Dunne won't play again so leaves us a Prem League club with one experianced CB and 3 acadamy grads one of which is ,Herd is a midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 12:48:28 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on January 30, 2013, 12:43:48 AM
This season is a write off for Dunne then, probably played his last game for us.

I would feel a little better about things if it was guarenteed him and Vlaar would play the last 15 games of the season. It wouldn't be perfect but I think things would be better organised particularly with the full backs.

to be honest Dunne's been fading for a long time now. It's more hope rather than expectation that he would make any real difference
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 30, 2013, 12:49:16 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.

Its got to the stage where if he had only 1 leg they should chuck him in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:49:19 AM: It makes 3 players needed ASAP
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 12:55:35 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.
If I was cynical I would say the bloke was never fit but that the club were just trying to detract from the need for signings by pretending he was.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:11:45 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.

Tom Ross said on the radio tonight that Dunne is back in full training, but isn't ready yet because of the length of time he has been out. It must of been one hell of a groin strain he picked up!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 01:26:22 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.

Tom Ross said on the radio tonight that Dunne is back in full training, but isn't ready yet because of the length of time he has been out. It must of been one hell of a gjroin strain he picked up!!
Your forgetting Rossnose shout's goal when it's a throw in.It was after the game Lambert said it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:29:39 AM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 01:26:22 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 30, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Fatty Dunne's has had a setback according to Lambert.We need a defender quick.

Tom Ross said on the radio tonight that Dunne is back in full training, but isn't ready yet because of the length of time he has been out. It must of been one hell of a gjroin strain he picked up!!
Your forgetting Rossnose shout's goal when it's a throw in.It was after the game Lambert said it.

Fair point!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2013, 02:00:03 AM: Which player with any ambition is going to join Villa? if we had won our last two home games then i could see it could happen but now we would be favourites to finish bottom. Between them all management at Viila have combined to screw the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 02:58:53 AM: BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Villa Park
"Paul Lambert reveals Richard Dunne has had another setback with the groin injury that has required surgery. More bad news for Villa."

Not sure if that means he's had a setback with the original injury that included surgery or he's needed further surgery. Either way, we need another centre half. Now, why did nobody mention it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 03:21:02 AM: Quote from: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Villa Park
"Paul Lambert reveals Richard Dunne has had another setback with the groin injury that has required surgery. More bad news for Villa."

Not sure if that means he's had a setback with the original injury that included surgery or he's needed further surgery. Either way, we need another centre half. Now, why did nobody mention it?

A cynical person might say that the last thing a defender approaching the end of his contract and is looking for one last big pay day wants to do is put himself in a struggling side that can't stop conceding goals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 06:41:29 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
Quote from: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Villa Park
"Paul Lambert reveals Richard Dunne has had another setback with the groin injury that has required surgery. More bad news for Villa."

Not sure if that means he's had a setback with the original injury that included surgery or he's needed further surgery. Either way, we need another centre half. Now, why did nobody mention it?

A cynical person might say that the last thing a defender approaching the end of his contract and is looking for one last big pay day wants to do is put himself in a struggling side that can't stop conceding goals.

If he has had more surgery I would doubt he will play again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 30, 2013, 07:08:52 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
Quote from: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 02:58:53 AM
BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Villa Park
"Paul Lambert reveals Richard Dunne has had another setback with the groin injury that has required surgery. More bad news for Villa."

Not sure if that means he's had a setback with the original injury that included surgery or he's needed further surgery. Either way, we need another centre half. Now, why did nobody mention it?

A cynical person might say that the last thing a defender approaching the end of his contract and is looking for one last big pay day wants to do is put himself in a struggling side that can't stop conceding goals.

You're not going to get a bumper pay day if you are on the treatment table.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 08:10:40 AM: Our squad isnt just poor, it is woeful. The thought of them not doing anything to improve it just beggars belief.

It makes me sad and increasingly angry just thinking about it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 08:20:44 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
Our squad isnt just poor, it is woeful. The thought of them not doing anything to improve it just beggars belief.

It makes me sad and increasingly angry just thinking about it.

But what can you expect with a retard as an owner, a mumbling Cro-Magnon Man 'coaching' the team and that utter skidmark Paul Faulkner doing an amazing impersonation of an ashtray on a motor bike.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:33:46 AM: I still think we will see two or three players come in but its way too late, should have been in much much earlier and the 10 points dropped this month will seal our fate.

The continuous poor selections, tactics and formations have been shocking and for lerner to be happy with lambert beggars belief- lambert talks shit after each game and it seems the only one who believes him is lerner - shocking!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 AM: West Ham are eyeing a move for 31-year-old Shakhtar Donetsk left-back Razvan Rat.

Can't believe Lambert's not in for this guy if only because it would be the first ever example of a rat joining a sinking ship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kipeye on January 30, 2013, 08:36:54 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
West Ham are eyeing a move for 31-year-old Shakhtar Donetsk left-back Razvan Rat.

Can't believe Lambert's not in for this guy if only because it would be the first ever example of a rat joining a sinking ship.
Your sense of humour hasn't gone away Greg.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:40:44 AM: gallows humour kipeye :0)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:40:54 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
West Ham are eyeing a move for 31-year-old Shakhtar Donetsk left-back Razvan Rat.

Can't believe Lambert's not in for this guy if only because it would be the first ever example of a rat joining a sinking ship.

Nah not for us i would prefer lambchop the king rat to desert the sinking ship .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 08:55:34 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
Our squad isnt just poor, it is woeful. The thought of them not doing anything to improve it just beggars belief.

It makes me sad and increasingly angry just thinking about it.

Indeed with no additions we're buried, frankly we probably are even if we sign some players but it would be nice to see us actually try. The way the club is run is an absolute disgrace, I'm completely fed up with it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:10:10 AM: The thing is 3 weeks ago we maybe could have attracted a reasonable player or two but now who of any quality would want to come having seen the month we have had - i think whoever comes in now the damage has already been done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2013, 09:11:25 AM: The only way for Lerner to take notice is by staying away. 15000 crowd would grab his attention, a prelude to next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:12:47 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 30, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
The only way for Lerner to take notice is by staying away. 15000 crowd would grab his attention, a prelude to next season.

Probably true .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 09:13:16 AM: Just fucking do something Villa, we are desperate for additions. Everyone around us is doing something, just get your fucking act together and stop ruining this great club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2013, 09:14:01 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
West Ham are eyeing a move for 31-year-old Shakhtar Donetsk left-back Razvan Rat.

Can't believe Lambert's not in for this guy if only because it would be the first ever example of a rat joining a sinking ship.

Keep up, the Rat is moving to Leeds not West Ham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2013, 09:18:48 AM: Doesn't look like the Paul Scholes deal is going through.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:28:30 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
Doesn't look like the Paul Scholes deal is going through.

No i dont think he was keen on linking up with gerrard and lampard again :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 30, 2013, 09:40:24 AM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 08:20:44 AM
But what can you expect with a retard as an owner, a mumbling Cro-Magnon Man 'coaching' the team and that utter skidmark Paul Faulkner doing an amazing impersonation of an ashtray on a motor bike.
I shouldn't laugh really, as our parlous state is no laughing matter, but this did make me chuckle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on January 30, 2013, 09:56:59 AM: Ideally, we could do with an experienced centre half who would give everything for the cause and is a Villa fan..

Sean St Ledger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 10:01:55 AM: fucking hell he's worse than Clark.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 10:03:23 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:33:46 AM
I still think we will see two or three players come in but its way too late, should have been in much much earlier and the 10 points dropped this month will seal our fate.

The continuous poor selections, tactics and formations have been shocking and for lerner to be happy with lambert beggars belief- lambert talks shit after each game and it seems the only one who believes him is lerner - shocking!

This is it. While I wouldn't say getting signings in at this stage will be too little, too late, if we had got them in early we could have a nice buffer between us in the relegation zone, be going to Wembley and be in the 5th round of a the F.A. Cup.

The most annoying thing is that it wouldn't have required any massive splurges, just a few more solid, competitive, experienced heads to give the players the confidence to follow through on the flashes of quality they have shown.

Still 2 days and I live in hope. 2 years ago Randy pulled Darren Bent out of the hat when no one was expecting it. While it's very clear we won't be spending that again, we need a similar injection of personnel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 10:04:58 AM: Quote from: dicedlam on January 30, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Ideally, we could do with an experienced centre half who would give everything for the cause and is a Villa fan..

Sean St Ledger.

Until the Euros (when the whole team was a shambles...common theme for me this year) he has always been solid for Ireland. I never understood how he never had a chance at a PL club. He has had his own injury problems this year as well this year I think, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 10:21:54 AM: Groundhog Day 30
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 10:28:02 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
Doesn't look like the Paul Scholes deal is going through.

Lambert was hoping that keeping Scholes car as leverage would work, Scholesy just went out & bought a new one instead.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 30, 2013, 10:28:06 AM: The penultimate day of the transfer window, and you'd think that given our desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate situation, we'd have signed a football player. But no...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 10:31:04 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
West Ham are eyeing a move for 31-year-old Shakhtar Donetsk left-back Razvan Rat.

Can't believe Lambert's not in for this guy if only because it would be the first ever example of a rat joining a sinking ship.

But he's a son of a whore and wanted by the law
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 10:37:32 AM: Lerner is an idiot ..£60mil going down the crapper if we don't attempt to fight our way out of trouble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 10:44:40 AM: A mate reckons he's heard something about a Porto defender. Could be Abdoulaye Ba?
It's a very tenuous link I know but we'll see if there's anything in it. I'll try and get more info later.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 10:49:34 AM: Well now that Lambert's master plan that Dunne will come and save us is in ruins, it's yet another area that needs strengthening. The thought of Baker playing at centre half again terrifies me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 10:53:54 AM: Sporting Lisbon already speaking to Stoke re Wilson Palacios. He would be ideal. Loan with future fee if we stay up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 30, 2013, 10:56:19 AM: Wigan are looking to bring Scharner back - could play in Defence or midfield...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:56:23 AM: I see arry has signed another one early today - south korean defender , there are players out there -lambert beeds to pill his finger out .
Staggering he said hes confident the current squad could survive even with no additions - fool!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MattW on January 30, 2013, 10:59:25 AM: Wouldn't have though Stoke were a particularly attractive option for Bent. Perhaps he'd take what he could get.

Get Bent! Stoke favourites to sign £10m Villa striker after Lambert hauls him off at half-time (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270569/Darren-Bent-Stoke-City-transfer-target.html)

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Stoke are leading the chase to sign Darren Bent after the striker was substituted at half-time during Aston Villa's 2-1 loss at home to Newcastle last night.

The England international has started just seven Premier League games this season with Villa boss Paul Lambert preferring to use Christian Benteke as a lone striker.

He was given a chance last night but Lambert was clearly not impressed.

Benched: Bent was ineffectual against Newcastle on Tuesday night

Up to eight Premier League clubs are known to be monitoring Bent's situation but Villa, who fell into the bottom three after last night's defeat, do not want to sell to clubs near the foot of the table.

Stoke do not fall into that category and if they are prepared to meet Villa's £10million asking price then Bent could be theirs.

The 28-year-old's £75,000-a-week wage demands could prove a stumbling block but with both Villa and Bent keen to part ways a deal could be forced through before the transfer window shuts tomorrow night.

Bent, who has 16 caps for England, cost Villa £18m rising to £24m only two years ago but they are prepared to cut their losses and let the former Sunderland and Tottenham man leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 30, 2013, 11:01:08 AM: Thing is, line us up 442 or 451 and make us chase and fight for every ball from the first minute and we'd improve 200%

Add a quality defensive midfielder to the mix and I think we can get out of this.

Have Vlaar and Baker as a 2 and they'll each know their roles and they'll do OK. This back 3 nonsense has been a disaster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 11:04:46 AM: Quote from: MattW on January 30, 2013, 10:59:25 AM
Wouldn't have though Stoke were a particularly attractive option for Bent. Perhaps he'd take what he could get.

Get Bent! Stoke favourites to sign £10m Villa striker after Lambert hauls him off at half-time (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270569/Darren-Bent-Stoke-City-transfer-target.html)

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Stoke are leading the chase to sign Darren Bent after the striker was substituted at half-time during Aston Villa's 2-1 loss at home to Newcastle last night.

The England international has started just seven Premier League games this season with Villa boss Paul Lambert preferring to use Christian Benteke as a lone striker.

He was given a chance last night but Lambert was clearly not impressed.

Benched: Bent was ineffectual against Newcastle on Tuesday night

Up to eight Premier League clubs are known to be monitoring Bent's situation but Villa, who fell into the bottom three after last night's defeat, do not want to sell to clubs near the foot of the table.

Stoke do not fall into that category and if they are prepared to meet Villa's £10million asking price then Bent could be theirs.

The 28-year-old's £75,000-a-week wage demands could prove a stumbling block but with both Villa and Bent keen to part ways a deal could be forced through before the transfer window shuts tomorrow night.

Bent, who has 16 caps for England, cost Villa £18m rising to £24m only two years ago but they are prepared to cut their losses and let the former Sunderland and Tottenham man leave.

If we have to sell Bent to get some money to spend before end of play tomorrow, then do it.

If they're thinking of selling him and pocketing the cash, then bollocks to that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:06:04 AM: By John Cross | 29/01/13

Stoke boss Tony Pulis is trying to fund a last-ditch move for Darren Bent with an incredible transfer merry-go-round.

Pulis has told QPR target Peter Crouch and Kenwyne Jones, who is wanted by Swansea, they can both go before Thursday night's deadline.

That will free up enough money to help Stoke make a shock move for England striker Bent, who is out of favour at Aston Villa.

Pulis, who also does not see Charlie Adam as part of his long-term plans, is a huge admirer of Bent and is desperate to bring him in.

Villa bought Bent from Sunderland in a deal worth over £20m two years ago, but current boss Paul Lambert does not fancy the 28-year-old and may allow him to go, even though he has just two days to get a replacement.

Fulham have also been interested but Stoke are very keen, although it will depend on them getting players out first.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:07:11 AM: If they sell Bent and don't buy anyone then every footballing employee/employer at the club can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 30, 2013, 11:07:41 AM: I'd sell him in a heartbeat.

Let's face it, despite what the national media keep telling us, most Villa fans would have Benteke and Weimann above him in the team.

If we have someone lined up and all we need is the cash and the wages, I'd get it done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 11:08:21 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
something that was posted a few posts above

Eastie, please check before posting this shit that it isn't already here.

The contents of this article are posted already - on this page.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:11:27 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
something that was posted a few posts above

Eastie, please check before posting this shit that it isn't already here.

The contents of this article are posted already - on this page.

Not the same article though is it and it wasnt there when i checked 10 minutes ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:11:53 AM: It's probably bullshit. It would be madness to sell Bent when we're short of goals this season. What if Benteke gets injured? Na, absolute madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 30, 2013, 11:11:58 AM: If it's the only way we can get some cash together to sign someone then Bent has to go.

But only if we can then spend that money.

Wouldn't surprise me if we didn't though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:12:09 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:07:11 AM
If they sell Bent and don't buy anyone then every footballing employee/employer at the club can go fuck themselves.

They can go fuck themselves either way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 30, 2013, 11:12:21 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 29, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
If I were Lambert - Find a club

Who need a striker and have couple of quality midfielders and left back. Swap Bent for New Powerful Midfielder, and Left Back and perhaps a young player

Sell Agbonlahor to Sunderland for 10 millions

Buy 2 strikers to compete with Benteke and Weinnman with 10 millions

Use the money in kitty to buy another midfielder and central half.

Get a wide man on loan.

and hire a new defensive coach to help out Lambert.

All in 36 hours!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:13:21 AM: We're out of time, because clearly nothing is happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2013, 11:17:45 AM: Quote from: mike on January 30, 2013, 11:12:21 AM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 29, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
If I were Lambert - Find a club

Who need a striker and have couple of quality midfielders and left back. Swap Bent for New Powerful Midfielder, and Left Back and perhaps a young player

Sell Agbonlahor to Sunderland for 10 millions

Buy 2 strikers to compete with Benteke and Weinnman with 10 millions

Use the money in kitty to buy another midfielder and central half.

Get a wide man on loan.

and hire a new defensive coach to help out Lambert.

All in 36 hours!

It's like on 'Who wants to be a Millionaire?' when they phone a friend - the friend reads the question a few times and runs out of time without giving a answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 11:19:47 AM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 10:37:32 AM
Lerner is an idiot ..£60mil going down the crapper if we don't attempt to fight our way out of trouble.

As was pointed out to me last night, Lerner is both disinterested and stupid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 30, 2013, 11:21:26 AM: The Bent situation is a tough one to stomach. We know that, used properly, he'll score goals. But Lambert either doesn't know how to use him, or stubbornly refuses to build a team that can. Therefore, he's useless to us and getting rid of him would help us claw back some cash and cut another big earner from the wage bill.

Imagine a brainless, uncultured chav inheriting a Steinway grand piano from some distant, rich auntie. Now this chav fancies himself as a musician, but when it comes to the Steinway he just doesn't appreciate it. He can't play it, he'll never learn how, and he certainly won't maintain it, so better to sell it to someone who will so the chav can spend the proceeds on the latest offering from Bontempi.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:22:19 AM: Bent leaving now.......... Well anyone think we've agreed fee's with clubs and contracts with players and are just waiting for the money to come in for Bent to push them through?

Its possible, and we like to keep things quiet admittedly, but if that was the case surely something would leaked from the other club's end? I fear we will just pocket the money or at a push sanction a loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:24:32 AM: Charlie adam in part exchange ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 11:25:35 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Bent leaving now.......... Well anyone think we've agreed fee's with clubs and contracts with players and are just waiting for the money to come in for Bent to push them through?

I hope to god that is the case... I doubt it though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MattW on January 30, 2013, 11:26:12 AM: I can see an outcome where Bent goes and a couple of decent signings come in, and that it's been offloading Bent that we've been waiting for. The Hutton and Warnock deals have been telegraphed, and I imagine this Bent one has too. Lerner has historically stumped up cash at the end of transfer windows, and Bent himself is an example of a surprising late purchase.

I'd go as far as to say I'd be very surprised if there are not two signings, at least one above £5m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:28:03 AM: Quote from: MattW on January 30, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
I can see an outcome where Bent goes and a couple of decent signings come in, and that it's been offloading Bent that we've been waiting for. The Hutton and Warnock deals have been telegraphed, and I imagine this Bent one has too. Lerner has historically stumped up cash at the end of transfer windows, and Bent himself is an example of a surprising late purchase.

I'd go as far as to say I'd be very surprised if there are not two signings, at least one above £5m.

Hes already said he's tried for players and has some money, if bent goes that would just add to the coffers and maybe mean we can get better quality players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:28:10 AM: The fact is that if we need to sell Bent to fund transfers then we are fucked. We've also left it far far too late.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 30, 2013, 11:29:53 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:24:32 AM
Charlie adam in part exchange ?

No way - slightly taller version of Bannan. A lot of hollywood balls with no end result. And he tackles like hutton. That would be a no from me....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 11:30:17 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:28:10 AM
The fact is that if we need to sell Bent to fund transfers then we are fucked. We've also left it far far too late.

Yup. A day and a half left. Far from ideal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 11:30:39 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:24:32 AM
Charlie adam in part exchange ?

Not sure about Adam myself, he's not really set the world alight since he left Blackpool..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 11:32:15 AM: So we have 36 hours left for RL and PL to make an effort to get some players in. Ok we are not going to make big signings we no that but that doesnt give them an excuse not to try.

For me we are abosutely desperate for a solid defensive midfielder and a centre half. Both with premiership experience. Ok so if hutton and warnock both leave which is expected that frees up wages of circa 60K.

If a bid had come in for Bent id let him go but dont think thats going to happen. His face doesnt fit and he doesnt work in the formation. Dithering again by PL either let him go or play him ..... we have done neither.

So what can we get in 36 hours .... below is a list of players with Premiership experience who I think we could go and get for small or no fees using the wages released by Warnock and Hutton.

DCM - Wilson Palacios of Stoke - isnt getting a regular game - loan deal. Combative and puts his foot in. Better than what we have IMO.

DCM - Nigel Reo Coker - short term deal to end of the season. Is a leader may lack a bit in quality but is a fighter again better than what we have got.

CB - Curtis Davies - has experience would get him for less than 2m I would suggest and again is better than what we have. He can slot in alongside Vlaar.

CB - Matthew Upson - not getting a game at Stoke - again short term loan deal till the end of the season.

Ok people may say these are rejects from other clubs and maybe they are but we are crying out for solid 7/10 performers and I feel the players above are better than what we have currently in those positions.

For me PL does not even consider players like the above which is ridicolous. We are in a battle and need solid players to then let the more creative players play. For me if given the tools weimann, nzog, benteke and gabby will score goals but we have to have a more solid base to drive on from. Currently this base is weak and ok the players above are hardly inspiring but they would make a differenc within the cost constraints we have.

What do others think? - any other players of this ilk which could be considered - you never know Paul Faulkner might actually be reading this and take inspiration
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 11:33:12 AM: I'd sell bent if means we could get 2-3 players in ...however he will score goals wherever he goes next
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:35:51 AM: Quote from: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Bent leaving now.......... Well anyone think we've agreed fee's with clubs and contracts with players and are just waiting for the money to come in for Bent to push them through?

I hope to god that is the case... I doubt it though.

yeah does seem unlikely which would mean a massive scramble tomorrow. Anyway Bent's not gonna take a massive paycut to go to stoke so unless we're gonna pay him off wages wise i can't see it happening
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:36:54 AM: I would worry about us, and not what Bent is doing elsewhere. Weimann, Benteke, Gabby and NZogbia are enough going forward, Bent did ok last night, but if we got 11-12 million and signed 2 6m midfielders in his place I would be delighted now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 11:37:46 AM: If we have sell Bent to sign some players then so be it. But firstly it's far too late and secondly it shows what a sorry state of a club we've become. Virtually everyone else is finding money(Everton, Newcastle, QPR) or boxing clever(Wigan). We appear to have neither.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 11:38:14 AM: What's the chances that Bent would fail the medical anyway ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 30, 2013, 11:38:21 AM: Quote from: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 11:32:15 AM

DCM - Wilson Palacios of Stoke - isnt getting a regular game - loan deal. Combative and puts his foot in. Better than what we have IMO.

DCM - Nigel Reo Coker - short term deal to end of the season. Is a leader may lack a bit in quality but is a fighter again better than what we have got.

CB - Curtis Davies - has experience would get him for less than 2m I would suggest and again is better than what we have. He can slot in alongside Vlaar.

CB - Matthew Upson - not getting a game at Stoke - again short term loan deal till the end of the season.

All good calls... although upson is very injury prone so it'll be another. Turn up, play one game, get injured back to square one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 11:41:01 AM: Fair comment Maigrat about Upson.

I think unless bent does go and we have players lined up - which I dont believe to be the case............ I feel we have to go for players of this ilk. They may not be wanted by their clubs but we are desperate for players of experience down the spine of the team.

Any other ideas guys and gals there must be others ??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 11:42:49 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:35:51 AM
Quote from: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Bent leaving now.......... Well anyone think we've agreed fee's with clubs and contracts with players and are just waiting for the money to come in for Bent to push them through?

I hope to god that is the case... I doubt it though.

yeah does seem unlikely which would mean a massive scramble tomorrow. Anyway Bent's not gonna take a massive paycut to go to stoke so unless we're gonna pay him off wages wise i can't see it happening
Stoke have more money than you would think. I think they can afford his wages. Palacios, Kenwyne Jones, Charlie Adam, Peter Crouch will all be between 35k and 60k a week I reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 11:44:09 AM: Were (fans) going to be so disappointed if we don't sign anyone, we will also be relegated....
I'm just imagining the rage at 11pm tomorrow night...
Villa are wearing me out so much lately lol..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 11:45:53 AM: Quote from: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
Fair comment Maigrat about Upson.

I think unless bent does go and we have players lined up - which I dont believe to be the case............ I feel we have to go for players of this ilk. They may not be wanted by their clubs but we are desperate for players of experience down the spine of the team.

Any other ideas guys and gals there must be others ??

Now then, now then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 30, 2013, 11:47:50 AM: Quote from: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 11:44:09 AM
Were (fans) going to be so disappointed if we don't sign anyone, we will also be relegated....
I'm just imagining the rage at 11pm tomorrow night...
Villa are wearing me out so much lately lol..

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that we are going down - almost calm about it. Don't get me wrong I'll still be p1ssed off when we lose on Saturday - but there is less time between recovery and feeling calm again...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CastleValeMassiv on January 30, 2013, 11:51:50 AM: We are not going to get anyone in and we can't even get anyone to take our players for free. I've come to the conclusion that we are going to drop like a stone. I've come to terms that we are going down but it's the next few seasons I'm worried about. Leeds, Sheffield Wed, Forest, Leicester are just a few examples of big clubs who have dropped like a stone due to having incompetent people at the helm. I just hope it don't happen to us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Darlo Dave on January 30, 2013, 11:55:00 AM: If we can get a rag tag band of misfits, and other clubs rejects together, on loan / short term contracts, and stay up, then at least we get a slice of the TV money next year. I'm not looking for the most talented players on the planet, brought in on multi million pound deals. I just want committed, experienced pros. If one or two of them have got a nasty streak, then all the better. The one thing I enjoyed last night, was the in the second half when we started kicking everything that moved in a black and white shirt. More of the same please!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: peter w on January 30, 2013, 11:56:11 AM: Right On CVM. We hear you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 11:56:28 AM: As a recently avid reader, I want to use my first post to congratulate some your optimism over the past few weeks, some of you are the ying to my pessimistic yang.

We are f**king doomed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 30, 2013, 11:58:15 AM: What time does deadline close is it midnight or 5pm or what?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 11:58:33 AM: Were not signing anyone guys. Too little too late. I'm not even check deadline bollocks. Will just wait until Friday before checking online again. Villa are destroying my mood at the moment most the time. Especially match days. For once I'm not going to let them make me worry about transfers the next few days. It's a sad sad time. I have totally accepted championship football next year
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 11:58:42 AM: Quote from: maigrait on January 30, 2013, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 11:44:09 AM
Were (fans) going to be so disappointed if we don't sign anyone, we will also be relegated....
I'm just imagining the rage at 11pm tomorrow night...
Villa are wearing me out so much lately lol..

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that we are going down - almost calm about it. Don't get me wrong I'll still be p1ssed off when we lose on Saturday - but there is less time between recovery and feeling calm again...

To tell the truth I'm resigned to the fact were going down, Lerner is not going to put the funds in place we need to get us away from the relegation zone...
In my mind we need at least 3 players maybe 4 and that's going to cost at least 20 million, absolutely no way Lerner will plough that into Villa in the next couple of days....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 12:00:08 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 30, 2013, 11:58:15 AM
What time does deadline close is it midnight or 5pm or what?

11pm from my understanding....
I could be wrong though, it's been known to happen ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 12:00:57 PM: Quote from: Darlo Dave on January 30, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
If we can get a rag tag band of misfits, and other clubs rejects together, on loan / short term contracts, and stay up, then at least we get a slice of the TV money next year. I'm not looking for the most talented players on the planet, brought in on multi million pound deals. I just want committed, experienced pros. If one or two of them have got a nasty streak, then all the better. The one thing I enjoyed last night, was the in the second half when we started kicking everything that moved in a black and white shirt. More of the same please!

That sounds like the plot of a very bad made-for-tv movie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2013, 12:02:56 PM: Depending where you are, the window closes at 2300 hours (BST) or 2400 (Eastie Time).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM: Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Darlo Dave on January 30, 2013, 12:06:10 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: Darlo Dave on January 30, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
If we can get a rag tag band of misfits, and other clubs rejects together, on loan / short term contracts, and stay up, then at least we get a slice of the TV money next year. I'm not looking for the most talented players on the planet, brought in on multi million pound deals. I just want committed, experienced pros. If one or two of them have got a nasty streak, then all the better. The one thing I enjoyed last night, was the in the second half when we started kicking everything that moved in a black and white shirt. More of the same please!

That sounds like the plot of a very bad made-for-tv movie

It'll be the best movie of all time, if it comes true! Not holding my breath, like...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 30, 2013, 12:07:31 PM: Its sounds like Mighty Ducks 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:09:00 PM: I think page 500 will see the first signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 12:10:07 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
I think page 500 will see the first signing.

Joke of the day ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

Bent to them Adam and a few quid to us wouldn't be the worst bit of business. Better still would be Adam and one or two of their thugs at the back.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2013, 12:12:17 PM: Quote from: maigrait on January 30, 2013, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 11:32:15 AM

DCM - Wilson Palacios of Stoke - isnt getting a regular game - loan deal. Combative and puts his foot in. Better than what we have IMO.

DCM - Nigel Reo Coker - short term deal to end of the season. Is a leader may lack a bit in quality but is a fighter again better than what we have got.

CB - Curtis Davies - has experience would get him for less than 2m I would suggest and again is better than what we have. He can slot in alongside Vlaar.

CB - Matthew Upson - not getting a game at Stoke - again short term loan deal till the end of the season.

All good calls... although upson is very injury prone so it'll be another. Turn up, play one game, get injured back to square one.

Upson has the right credentials to sign for us..... "injury prone"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:13:52 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on January 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

Bent to them Adam and a few quid to us wouldn't be the worst bit of business. Better still would be Adam and one or two of their thugs at the back.

Bent in exchange for £5m plus adam and upson ?
Werent we linked strongly with kenwynne jones last summer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:16:12 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on January 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

Bent to them Adam and a few quid to us wouldn't be the worst bit of business. Better still would be Adam and one or two of their thugs at the back.

I'd take the thugs at the back, i would take Palacios for sure. I wouldn't have Adam though personally, but then again is he worse than Bannan? Ok that question doesn't need to be asked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2013, 12:16:17 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on January 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

Bent to them Adam and a few quid to us wouldn't be the worst bit of business. Better still would be Adam and one or two of their thugs at the back.

Bent in exchange for £5m plus adam and upson ?
Werent we linked strongly with kenwynne jones last summer?

I'm not sure Upson is thuggish enough.

Huth is an excellent thug.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:17:55 PM: Stoke wouldnt let huth go and doubt he would come here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 12:20:17 PM: Sell Bent and buy a Steinway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM: Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 12:26:31 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

One of them is surely for Jermaine Defoe?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:29:01 PM: We can dream.

Palacios, Upson and Reo Coker seem the best options of the pickings left now to me. Give you midfield workrate and tackle, won't get walked through and a defender who with Dunne out, can come into the side.

Would prefer Chester, Stephens and Trotter from the championship, but they will cost money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2013, 12:29:56 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

So only two transfers then - I'm sure the third room will be for Randy and Paul, ahem Mr & Mrs Lerner
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 12:30:13 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

Or maybe someone is using the company credit card for some personal time with friends from Balsall Heath.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on January 30, 2013, 12:32:40 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

Negotiating the chicken nugget deal with the Venkys?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 12:33:17 PM: Travelodge but be doing another £10 a night room sale
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 12:33:37 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

Or maybe someone is using the company credit card for some personal time with friends from Balsall Heath.

They're for the Goodies tribute act that are performing in the Holte Suite
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 12:35:44 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

Yorke & Bosnich are still using their corporate cards & are planning to make another video.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:39:04 PM: Nothing more on the malouda front i take it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2013, 12:39:07 PM: I'd offer Bent to Stoke for Adam/Palacios/Upson, or Fulham for Risse and Hangeland, and buy Diame.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 12:39:32 PM: Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on January 30, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
Taken from elsewhere .......

I have it on good authority that Villa have reserved 3 rooms at a local hotel for tonight.

This sort of thing happens whenever new players/a new manager about to sign.

Could it be that something is actually in the offing?

Quick... someone check Beni McCarthy's Twitter to see where he is today
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:41:05 PM: Uncle harry waxing lyrical about how he'd love crouch - can see that being the trigger for stokes bent move .
Expect our old friend bunny in here anytime .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM: SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 12:43:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on January 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Yep it's 11pm tomorrow.

I can just see Charlie Adam coming to us in some sort of masochistic exchange. Along with the three horsemen of the apocalypse.

Bent to them Adam and a few quid to us wouldn't be the worst bit of business. Better still would be Adam and one or two of their thugs at the back.

Werent we linked strongly with kenwynne jones last summer?

I hope 'linked' is all we were. I think he's bloody terrible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:43:47 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

They said yesterday he said he had no money when he said nothing of the sort - large pinch of salt required!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 12:43:51 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

Backs to the wall lads :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villain1874 on January 30, 2013, 12:44:49 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

We're going down then.... It's that simple...
I'm not surprised either....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 30, 2013, 12:44:54 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

Backs to the wall lads :(
we go again !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 12:46:07 PM: If our finances are so bad that we cannot afford to buy a few players to secure the £60m or whatever it is we will gain from next year's Premier League deal, does that not suggest we must risk administration if we go down?

If we cannot spend now, with the financial stakes so high, how the heck are we going to operate on the reduced revenue that relegation would entail?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM: If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:48:07 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

That's us down then. Absolute fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 12:48:13 PM: 1:10:12 and counting down

Surely we can't ignore the shit we're in and do nothing, can we?

Bent out and some players in would do me, we don't use him anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 12:48:14 PM: This is like sitting by the bedside of an old friend watching them pass away....very slowly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2013, 12:48:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM
If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!

Agreed. If we don't get new players our only hope is a new manager who can organise the ones we have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 12:49:13 PM: If we sign no one it is inexcusable and pure ignorant.

You can always do something a loan a free it can be done.

PL makes me wonder if he doesnt want to sign anyone as the pressure will be ramped up even more on him. ATM jury is still out and fans are after randy and PF.

I cannot believe nothing can be done for the good of this team. One player in DCM solid could do a job. One fecking player it cant be that difficult!!!

If we sign no one I think the fans should boycott the club shop website official site. Not going to the games will not help the team but the other areas we need to boycott to show how outraged we are.

But once 11pm comes that will be it.... no coming back from it. No players means relegation its that simple
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:49:20 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

That's us down then. Absolute fucking disgrace.

Don't be so meladramatic- we have 34 hours to play with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2013, 12:49:49 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM
If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!
Assuming there is money to spend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 12:50:08 PM: SSN said that? I want quotes beyond him saying it was unlikely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:50:16 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

That's us down then. Absolute fucking disgrace.

Don't be so meladramatic- we have 34 hours to play with.

I'm basing that on the fact that Lambert has said we'll sign noone. It can be 34 hours, it could 100 hours it doesn't matter. If we sign noone we're down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2013, 12:50:28 PM: Looks like Randy Lerner is skint to me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2013, 12:50:35 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
I'd offer Bent to Stoke for Adam/Palacios/Upson, or Fulham for Risse and Hangeland, and buy Diame.

I've just come of the phone from my brother suggesting we offer that very same deal to Stoke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 12:50:45 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
This is like sitting by the bedside of an old friend watching them pass away....very slowly.

Well this 'friend' can fuck off if they think I'm holding their hand as they go, seriously switch the life support off now!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 12:51:21 PM: If he said that he is either being honest and we're doomed, or deliberately misleading a group of fans desperate for a bit of positive news. Either way, not great, but I'd prefer the second.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 12:53:06 PM: Lambert's playing with fire here. If there is money available and he signs nobody and we go down, then there is every justification to sack him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:53:26 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM
If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!
Assuming there is money to spend.

There is money there Dave. If there wasn't we would not have been in for the likes of Sissoko, which we were, even admitted by Lambert. Enough for a couple of signings. Lambert is the issue with the money at the moment, and I agree with Eastie in principal, not spending a penny this window is suicide, and borders on negligence of the club. As the person looking after it, it would be extremely stupid to leave it in the hands of this squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:54:10 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

That's us down then. Absolute fucking disgrace.

Don't be so meladramatic- we have 34 hours to play with.

I'm basing that on the fact that Lambert has said we'll sign noone. It can be 34 hours, it could 100 hours it doesn't matter. If we sign noone we're down.

Has he actually said that though or said nothing happening at the moment?
The fact he has admitted bidding for players tells us theres some money there , if he chooses not to use it then he can fuck off now.

He has also said several times he believes this squad will stay up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 12:54:28 PM: I don't believe SSN; and I don't believe anything lambert might say to SSN. It might be true but I'm not taking their jumped-up clown circus word for it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:55:32 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM
If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!
Assuming there is money to spend.

There is money there Dave. If there wasn't we would not have been in for the likes of Sissoko, which we were, even admitted by Lambert. Enough for a couple of signings. Lambert is the issue with the money at the moment, and I agree with Eastie in principal, not spending a penny this window is suicide, and borders on negligence of the club. As the person looking after it, it would be extremely stupid to leave it in the hands of this squad.

There is clearly some money there, so if we sign no-one then Lambert should be fired.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2013, 12:55:37 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 30, 2013, 11:58:15 AM
What time does deadline close is it midnight or 5pm or what?

11pm. Then at 11.30pm news will filter through that Spurzz have signed Messi on loan from Barcelona until the end of the season and they'll be let off. They always seem to get a mad transfer. Could be QPR doing the late deals now Arry is there though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 12:55:57 PM: At least one midfielder, able to press the ball and win it, that's all. We could probably just about get by with the rest, just about (if Dunne does come back) but the midfield issue WILL NOT GO AWAY BY WISHING IT, Paul.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 12:56:47 PM: Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:46:10 PM
If lambert does not spend the cash by 11 pm tomorrow he should be fired at 11-01 pm- preferably from a cannon!
Assuming there is money to spend.

I think there must be, he's already said that we've missed out on one or two players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:56:53 PM: Dunne has kicked his last ball for us.

A pressing mid and a centre back are musts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 12:56:56 PM: If we don't buy anyone we will deservedly finish bottom.

ONLY team near bottom to do fuck all ,actually worse we let 2 players go !!

Lerner must be completely broke or chucked his toys out of pram because this business model is doomed to fail
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 30, 2013, 12:57:09 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 30, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
I don't believe SSN; and I don't believe anything lambert might say to SSN. It might be true but I'm not taking their jumped-up clown circus word for it.

Amen to that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 30, 2013, 12:57:41 PM: I believe there are small funds available once Hutton and Warnock are off the wage bill. Circa 5-10m I just think PL had a list and has lost out and isnt prepared to be flexible much like his approach and tactics

I am seriously beginning to dislike the man ......his character and persona.......... he is a stubborn git who needs to wake up!!! He is a bad loser and I can imagine him very unapproachable after games saying very little to inspire the troops. I think he thinks he is better than he is.

Wake up Lambert grow some balls and get some players in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 12:58:29 PM: Ive not seen or heard of lambert giving any interviews today , and last night he said nothing happening at the moment - certainly never said no signings will be made .

He has said he wont buy just for the sake of it , or pay over the odds - risky strategy which could backfire in relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 12:58:34 PM: If we don't sign anyone we deserve to go down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 01:00:37 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
Dunne has kicked his last ball for us.

A pressing mid and a centre back are musts.

Disagree about Dunne, according to many reports he was considering throwing him into yesterday's game ahead of schedule. He rates him and I believe will play him on his return.

The midfielder situation is absolutely obvious though. It's a ludicrous situation to have Barry Bannan as one of your main lines of defence, it's barking. Bannan would be fine further forward where he could make a nuisance of himself and help stop counter-attacks from happening quickly, but there's no way in hell he's winning that ball on halfway with naught but defenders behind him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:01:55 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
Dunne has kicked his last ball for us.

A pressing mid and a centre back are musts.

Disagree about Dunne, according to many reports he was considering throwing him into yesterday's game ahead of schedule. He rates him and I believe will play him on his return.

The midfielder situation is absolutely obvious though. It's a ludicrous situation to have Barry Bannan as one of your main lines of defence, it's barking. Bannan would be fine further forward where he could make a nuisance of himself and help stop counter-attacks from happening quickly, but there's no way in hell he's winning that ball on halfway with naught but defenders behind him.

He has since suffered an injury setback yesterday morning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 01:02:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
Dunne has kicked his last ball for us.

A pressing mid and a centre back are musts.

Disagree about Dunne, according to many reports he was considering throwing him into yesterday's game ahead of schedule. He rates him and I believe will play him on his return.

The midfielder situation is absolutely obvious though. It's a ludicrous situation to have Barry Bannan as one of your main lines of defence, it's barking. Bannan would be fine further forward where he could make a nuisance of himself and help stop counter-attacks from happening quickly, but there's no way in hell he's winning that ball on halfway with naught but defenders behind him.

He has since suffered an injury setback yesterday morning.

Really? Ah fuckity balls.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2013, 01:03:05 PM: Obviously Lambert banked on Dunne being fit by the end of the transfer window so as to prevent recruiting another centre-back. Surely as this ''gamble'' has now back-fired there must be a Plan B or other contingency plan? Or are we gonna be "fine"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 01:03:11 PM: Reported yesterday that Dunne has had a setback. Don't think he was ever fit to be honest
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:03:30 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
Dunne has kicked his last ball for us.

A pressing mid and a centre back are musts.

Disagree about Dunne, according to many reports he was considering throwing him into yesterday's game ahead of schedule. He rates him and I believe will play him on his return.

The midfielder situation is absolutely obvious though. It's a ludicrous situation to have Barry Bannan as one of your main lines of defence, it's barking. Bannan would be fine further forward where he could make a nuisance of himself and help stop counter-attacks from happening quickly, but there's no way in hell he's winning that ball on halfway with naught but defenders behind him.

He has since suffered an injury setback yesterday morning.

Really? Ah fuckity balls.

Not sure if its serious but lambert said dunne had felt a reaction yesterday .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 01:03:56 PM: Could be as simple as failing a fitness test for yesterday's game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:04:39 PM: Yep he has so the masterplan of Dunne saving us is out of the window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:05:05 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 30, 2013, 01:03:05 PM
Obviously Lambert banked on Dunne being fit by the end of the transfer window so as to prevent recruiting another centre-back. Surely as this ''gamble'' has now back-fired there must be a Plan B or other contingency plan? Or are we gonna be "fine"?

"We"ll be fine , we wont go down, i just know it , ive known from day one, we go again " blah blah blah
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 01:07:20 PM: Sorry Monty, he has had to have more groin surgery - that is what I was referring to.

fit I think he walks into the side!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:07:58 PM: There may be some money there, but I think the biggest problem we have is convincing players to join.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 01:08:43 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 01:07:20 PM
Sorry Monty, he has had to have more groin surgery - that is what I was referring to.

fit I think he walks into the side!

Yeah, that really sucks.

Ok, centre back from Scandinavia and a midfielder from...well, Scandinavia would be fine again!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:09:55 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
There may be some money there, but I think the biggest problem we have is convincing players to join.

Maybe they cant understand what lambert says to them?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 01:10:04 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 01:07:20 PM
Sorry Monty, he has had to have more groin surgery - that is what I was referring to.

fit I think he walks into the side!

Yeah, that really sucks.

Ok, centre back from Scandinavia and a midfielder from...well, Scandinavia would be fine again!

The tweet from a journalist said he had to have more surgery but might be wrong - quotes from Lambert saying he needs a week to see if it settles.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:10:05 PM: Yep centre back and centre mid are an absolute must.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:10:35 PM: Closing in on 500, do we get there with a dab into the leg side or a lofted drive over mid off?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on January 30, 2013, 01:10:46 PM: As fans we always want money spent in the transfer windows, it's just part of our desire to see a continual improvement in our team. This is more fundamental than that. If we don't secure the services of a defender ( at least one, two would be better) and another midfielder then we will go down. This is the largely held opinion of the fans I speak to at the match and the local and national media. This has been realised since the Chelsea defeat, which was by and large brushed off in the anticipation of something being done in January about it.

I would term myself as extremely optimistic about Villa but I see nothing other than relegation if we don't do something by tomorrow night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 01:11:19 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
Closing in on 500, do we get there with a dab into the leg side or a lofted drive over mid off?

More like a chinese cut to the boundary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM: Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:12:59 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Already exclusively revealed on the 'other transfer thread'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:13:08 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
Closing in on 500, do we get there with a dab into the leg side or a lofted drive over mid off?

More like a chinese cut to the boundary.

Straight slog over long on boundary.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 30, 2013, 01:13:15 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Just who we need. Superb news :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 01:13:34 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Randy and Paul(s). Watch, listen and learn. That is football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 01:13:46 PM: 500 pages of nothing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:13:56 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Already exclusively revealed on the 'other transfer thread'.

Your on the ball clampy as always on these occassions!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2013, 01:14:11 PM: Over the last three years we have been about as competent as a club as SHA.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:14:32 PM: Henke presumably drew up lists of options? Have these been misplaced?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:14:47 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Already exclusively revealed on the 'other transfer thread'.

Your on the ball clampy as always on these occassions!

Oh the irony.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:15:19 PM: I would say there is a big difference between having money to spend and also having the wages available to offer players what they want. With all the signs that we're not willing to pay anyone decent Premier League wages, I can't really see anyone willing to take a pay cut to come here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:15:35 PM: ;D
Quote from: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 30, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:11:31 PM
Qpr have activated chris sambas release clause breaking news.

Already exclusively revealed on the 'other transfer thread'.

Your on the ball clampy as always on these occassions!

Oh the irony.

;D ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:16:48 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
Reported yesterday that Dunne has had a setback. Don't think he was ever fit to be honest

But again the lack of communication with fans regarding Dunne's situation has been really frustrating. Surely they can see we've been struggling defensively and that the fans are going to be questioning what is going on with Dunne, yet the same kind of mumbled, unclear lines are repeated in the press. Why not just come out and be truthful about his injury status? Yes he is in full training and we could be looking at a matter of weeks, or no he's way off being fit and we need to look at other options in the squad. At least we as fans would know where we stood.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM: I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:17:18 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:14:32 PM
Henke presumably drew up lists of options? Have these been misplaced?

Faulkner probably ate his fish & chips from them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:19:19 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I think we have enough vegetables already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:19:47 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
There may be some money there, but I think the biggest problem we have is convincing players to join.

I think it's that combined with a lack of money. That's not to say there is none, I think there is, but probably not enough.

We can't be a very attractive proposition to a player right now, so what you then have to do is entice them with bucket loads of cash. We're unable or unwilling to do that right now, so getting the right players becomes very hard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 01:19:49 PM: If Randy was a parent and Aston Villa was a child Social Services would have stepped in by now.

Two years of neglect and malnourishment.

An absolute disgrace. I don't care how much of a bad ass MON was (and he was one) this is Lerner and Faulkner's mess. I'm going to stop posting for a while because sometimes I feel like I am becoming a troll. I am just so sickened by what has happened to villa and so annoyed by the attitude of our self proclaimed custodian.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 30, 2013, 01:21:16 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
But again the lack of communication with fans regarding Dunne's situation has been really frustrating. Surely they can see we've been struggling defensively and that the fans are going to be questioning what is going on with Dunne, yet the same kind of mumbled, unclear lines are repeated in the press. Why not just come out and be truthful about his injury status? Yes he is in full training and we could be looking at a matter of weeks, or no he's way off being fit and we need to look at other options in the squad. At least we as fans would know where we stood.

The Dunne situation is baffling. He was training, I saw pics from a week or so ago of the lads training in the snow and he was clearly there (and looking very trim). PL is asked on Monday about him featuring, says maybe, he'll check on him at training... no sign of him and then post match it's reported he now needs further surgery. Of course, he could have broken down in training Tuesday morning, but.... it all feels very odd. That's him done at Villa, if another (a fourth) op is required.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:21:36 PM: Eastie - Indeed, they appear to be pushing the trolley
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 30, 2013, 01:23:31 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
Reported yesterday that Dunne has had a setback.

Greggs increased the price of their sausage rolls again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:25:44 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 30, 2013, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
But again the lack of communication with fans regarding Dunne's situation has been really frustrating. Surely they can see we've been struggling defensively and that the fans are going to be questioning what is going on with Dunne, yet the same kind of mumbled, unclear lines are repeated in the press. Why not just come out and be truthful about his injury status? Yes he is in full training and we could be looking at a matter of weeks, or no he's way off being fit and we need to look at other options in the squad. At least we as fans would know where we stood.

The Dunne situation is baffling. He was training, I saw pics from a week or so ago of the lads training in the snow and he was clearly there (and looking very trim). PL is asked on Monday about him featuring, says maybe, he'll check on him at training... no sign of him and then post match it's reported he now needs further surgery. Of course, he could have broken down in training Tuesday morning, but.... it all feels very odd. That's him done at Villa, if another (a fourth) op is required.

The report on Irish radio this morning was that he hurt himself the morning of the game. Not looking good for him making a return.

I was just on F365 and they mentioned that Flamini has only made a handful of appearances for Milan this year. If he is anything close to the player he was a few years ago, surely a loan until the end of the season is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 01:30:53 PM: Surely, surely we can get a couple of loans in, at the very least?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 01:32:53 PM: Instead of all these operations on Dunne, wouldn't it have been better to just remove his groin entirely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 01:33:59 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
Surely, surely we can get a couple of loans in, at the very least?

I think it's more Lambert being pig-headed, rather than Dunderhead Lerner's tighteneing of the purse strings.

Either way we're down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 30, 2013, 01:34:30 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 01:32:53 PM
Instead of all these operations on Dunne, wouldn't it have been better to just remove his groin entirely?
excellent ! clappy
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 30, 2013, 01:35:03 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:25:44 PM
I was just on F365 and they mentioned that Flamini has only made a handful of appearances for Milan this year. If he is anything close to the player he was a few years ago, surely a loan until the end of the season is the obvious choice.

I think between us we've probably come up with 10-20 viable, sensible, relatively low-cost signings who would benefit us at this stage. Does not appear to be happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:35:31 PM: Flamini - was'nt he the player at Blues on loan - if he was he was shite!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:37:18 PM: The people I will feel sorry for if we go down, is the staff that are made redundant, and trust me there will be quite a few.

There will be a massive cost cutting excercise!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: NeilH on January 30, 2013, 01:37:35 PM: There was an interesting interview with Arry a couple of days ago, where he alluded to the fact there seems to be some sort of agent turf war going on, where players are being offered at ridiculous prices. Is this is the case (and who wouldn’t believe Honest Arry), then I suspect given our strict financial conditions that we would not have a cats chance of getting anyone
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:38:26 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
Surely, surely we can get a couple of loans in, at the very least?

Yep Scharner would have done nicely. It's an utter disgrace that our idiot of a manager has done fuck all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:38:42 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
Flamini - was'nt he the player at Blues on loan - if he was he was shite!

Flamini is ex-Arsenal and a very good player. I don't remember him ever being at the Sty on loan?

Are you thinking of Hleb?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 30, 2013, 01:38:56 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
Flamini - was'nt he the player at Blues on loan - if he was he was shite!

No, that was Hleb.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 01:39:34 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .

Or maybe the senior players are prepared to tell him his tactics are shit ....

Don't get me wrong Hutton and Warnock are no world class players but given how this season is gone to not use them at all ..stupid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 30, 2013, 01:39:48 PM: Anyone think there is any truth to the rumour regarding Bent going to Stoke and Kenwyne Jones and money coming the other way? Forgive the tacky headline, it is the Daily Heil:

Get Bent! Stoke offer Jones in exchange for £10m Villa striker after Lambert hauls him off at half-time (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270569/Darren-Bent-Stoke-City-transfer-target.html)

Quote
Stoke are leading the chase to sign Darren Bent after the striker was substituted at half-time during Aston Villa's 2-1 loss at home to Newcastle last night.

Potters boss Tony Pulis needs to offload a frontman before he can bring in the England international and he has offered Trinidadian striker Kenwyne Jones as part of a £10million package.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 30, 2013, 01:40:12 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
Flamini - was'nt he the player at Blues on loan - if he was he was shite!

No he played for Arsenal for 4 years. This might refresh your memory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathieu_Flamini
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:40:17 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 30, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
The people I will feel sorry for if we go down, is the staff that are made redundant, and trust me there will be quite a few.

There will be a massive cost cutting excercise!

Can we start with that mumbling chap who stands in a tracksuit on the touchline touching his glasses?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 01:40:48 PM: Lambert wasn't forced to get rid of Warnock and Hutton. Or surely he would also have been forced to also get rid of Given, Ireland and N'Zogbia, all of whom probably earn either more then them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 30, 2013, 01:42:45 PM: Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/embed/h_f1N51Gv9c (https://www.youtube.com/embed/h_f1N51Gv9c)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 01:43:09 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
Surely, surely we can get a couple of loans in, at the very least?

We've looked at it but Faulkner doesn't want to pay the 2432% interest rate Wonga were offering.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:44:01 PM: It's utter insanity getting rid of Warnock if we're not bringing anyone in. We need as many experienced bodies as possible, and our idiot manager genuinely has no idea what he's doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:44:16 PM: Quote from: fbriai on January 30, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Anyone think there is any truth to the rumour regarding Bent going to Stoke and Kenwyne Jones and money coming the other way?

I think Bent to Stoke might have some legs, but I very much doubt we'll be taking Jones in part exchange.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2013, 01:45:07 PM: Quote from: NeilH on January 30, 2013, 01:37:35 PM
There was an interesting interview with Arry a couple of days ago, where he alluded to the fact there seems to be some sort of agent turf war going on, where players are being offered at ridiculous prices. Is this is the case (and who wouldn’t believe Honest Arry), then I suspect given our strict financial conditions that we would not have a cats chance of getting anyone

Of course there is. With the extra telly money coming in, how dare clubs even THINK about things like, I dunno, reducing ticket prices when there's pockets to be lined. Modern football's shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:46:26 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
It's utter insanity getting rid of Warnock if we're not bringing anyone in. We need as many experienced bodies as possible, and our idiot manager genuinely has no idea what he's doing.

I know that , you know that , we know that , but randy believes everything lambert tells him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:48:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:46:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
It's utter insanity getting rid of Warnock if we're not bringing anyone in. We need as many experienced bodies as possible, and our idiot manager genuinely has no idea what he's doing.

I know that , you know that , we know that , but randy believes everything lambert tells him.

Warnock and Hutton aren't the answer.

Or if they are, then I have no desire to hear what the question was!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 01:48:38 PM: Flamini would be excellent, obviously, it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 01:49:33 PM: If we get no games out of Dunne this season then we should go balls-out for the insurance money.

That groin has seen more action than (insert dismissive sexist analogy here)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:50:03 PM: Lambert Lerner Wake Up !!!! You have got no F**King Midfield for a start , we are down If you don't realise that and an extra defender would be handy too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 01:50:19 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 30, 2013, 01:39:48 PM
Anyone think there is any truth to the rumour regarding Bent going to Stoke and Kenwyne Jones and money coming the other way?

I think Bent to Stoke might have some legs, but I very much doubt we'll be taking Jones in part exchange.
Upson and Wilson Palacios would be better in exchange.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 01:50:42 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
Lambert Lerner Wake Up !!!! You have got no F**King Midfield for a start , we are down If you don't realise that and an extra defender would be handy too.

Do we think they have even bothered to try and make signings?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 30, 2013, 01:51:42 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
I think Bent to Stoke might have some legs...

Think you might be right, John. Especially considering this:

QPR must up bids to land strikers Peter Odemwingie and Peter Crouch (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/29/qpr-peter-odemwingie-peter-crouch)

Quote from: Tony Pulis on the possible transfer of Crouch
"QPR have made an inquiry and discussions are ongoing," Tony Pulis, the Stoke manager, said. "That is to say I've taken a phone call from Harry and I've told the player of their interest. We don't want to sell Peter and I believe he is happy here, but if the deal is right for everyone, and that includes us, it could go ahead.

"You can't stop deals going through if everyone wants them to happen, but it has to be right for us in terms of both money, and time to find a replacement. If we let Peter go we will need to bring someone else in, because I am not prepared to put the club at risk. We have 30 points and 14 games left so we are still trying to get over the mark.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:55:48 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
Lambert Lerner Wake Up !!!! You have got no F**King Midfield for a start , we are down If you don't realise that and an extra defender would be handy too.

Do we think they have even bothered to try and make signings?

hhmmmm maybe with HMV vouchers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:56:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .

I thought Hutton came out and said he was told it was nothing to do with his footballing ability but because his wages were too high?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 30, 2013, 02:02:02 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

He won't but others at the club might, or has he heard he won' be here after 2pm today?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 02:02:42 PM: That's because he is getting the sack.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2013, 02:03:04 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
Lambert Lerner Wake Up !!!! You have got no F**King Midfield for a start , we are down If you don't realise that and an extra defender would be handy too.

Do we think they have even bothered to try and make signings?

No chance - what they've done this month borders on negligence. They have ignored all ex-players, pundits, fans, journalists etc. calls and pleas for new players with experience. Now look where we are at the end of the window; still, they know best and ''we'll be fine" Utter pricks Lerner, Faulkner & Lambert!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jane on January 30, 2013, 02:03:50 PM: On the Sky Sports Transfer Clockwatch . . .

Aston Villa have today been heavily backed to sign Kenwyne Jones, seeing their price to sign him cut from 8/1 down to 6/4 favourites ahead of Swansea (7/4)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 02:03:55 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 02:02:42 PM
That's because he is getting the sack.

No chance unfortunately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 30, 2013, 02:04:34 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
Lambert Lerner Wake Up !!!! You have got no F**King Midfield for a start , we are down If you don't realise that and an extra defender would be handy too.

Do we think they have even bothered to try and make signings?

hhmmmm maybe with HMV vouchers

PeterWithesShin should still have some left. Maybe he can be Villa's saviour ?!?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:05:49 PM: Nah I spent them all the day after they started accepting them again. Look elsewhere for our saviour.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 02:07:25 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .

I thought Hutton came out and said he was told it was nothing to do with his footballing ability but because his wages were too high?

Yeah, I've lied at job interviews as well!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 02:07:33 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .

I thought Hutton came out and said he was told it was nothing to do with his footballing ability but because his wages were too high?
I remember hearing a training ground session story before the start of the season where apparently Hutton had made a run down the line after a pass from Albrighton, which Hutton then ballooned his cross. To which Lambert shouted 'Great pass Marc. Alan, you're fucking shit!' eastie's version sounds more likely to me. Mind you, they could be related if he thinks he is shit and being paid too much
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 02:08:38 PM: Quote from: Jane on January 30, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
On the Sky Sports Transfer Clockwatch . . .

Aston Villa have today been heavily backed to sign Kenwyne Jones, seeing their price to sign him cut from 8/1 down to 6/4 favourites ahead of Swansea (7/4)

why ? :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 02:09:22 PM: Samba spotted at Villa Park... http://twitpic.com/bzil9b

Bad joke from Mat Kendrick!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 02:09:34 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:05:49 PM
Nah I spent them all the day after they started accepting them again. Look elsewhere for our saviour.

The mood you were in , The smiths was it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 02:14:54 PM: I would take Jones and Palacios and a few quid for Bent.

But just Jones - little point!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 02:16:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
I would take Jones and Palacios and a few quid for Bent.

But just Jones - little point!

Prefer adam or upson than jones.
I think jones is another heskey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:17:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
I would take Jones and Palacios and a few quid for Bent.

But just Jones - little point!

So you'd take Jones even though there is little point? Confused.com*

*Just to annoy people because the whole .com annoys the smeg out of me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 02:17:33 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on January 30, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I'm more annoyed that we missed out on players like Forren than Samba. We aren't shopping in the same supermarket as QPR (they will throw silly money at it) but we should be buying our groceries in the same place as teams like Southampton surely?

I doubt we're shopping in the same place as anyone in the Premier League to be honest. Probably because of a refusal to pay decent wages. The fact that the manager was forced to get rid of Hutton because of financial reasons and most probably had the same situation with Warnock suggests the powers that be that are far from finished in the cost cutting path they are currently taking.

He wasnt forced to get rid of them for financial reasons - he got rid because he doesnt rate them .

I thought Hutton came out and said he was told it was nothing to do with his footballing ability but because his wages were too high?
I remember hearing a training ground session story before the start of the season where apparently Hutton had made a run down the line after a pass from Albrighton, which Hutton then ballooned his cross. To which Lambert shouted 'Great pass Marc. Alan, you're fucking shit!' eastie's version sounds more likely to me. Mind you, they could be related if he thinks he is shit and being paid too much

I'd be more inclined to go with what actually came from the horse's mouth rather than someone elses version of what they think might have happened. Regardless of how good anyone thinks either player is, it seems as clear as day that they would be at least part of the squad if ability was the only thing being considered. I wouldn't be surprised if their wages came close to the combined total we're paying 4 or 5 of the new players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:19:56 PM: We don't need a bloody striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:20:49 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
We don't need a bloody striker.

Is that by Tina Turner?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM: Quote from: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 02:09:22 PM
Samba spotted at Villa Park... http://twitpic.com/bzil9b

Bad joke from Mat Kendrick!

Yeah I saw that 'hilarious' tweet, then I unfollowed the prick >:(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2013, 02:22:50 PM: Quote from: Jane on January 30, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
On the Sky Sports Transfer Clockwatch . . .

Aston Villa have today been heavily backed to sign Kenwyne Jones, seeing their price to sign him cut from 8/1 down to 6/4 favourites ahead of Swansea (7/4)

1) Why?
2) Couldn't help thinking, when we last played them, that he was looking a little "Dunnesque"
3) Should this happen, it'll merely confirm my opinion that eventually all Villa managers go mental.
Re Palacios; maybe, after some of the stuff that's happened to him, a change of scenery is what he needs. Reading some stat site on tinternet, it's odd that he's not played more. Guaranteed a start, plenty to play for, one last chance to play for a good club given his age. Him, yes. Jones, no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 02:24:57 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 02:09:22 PM
Samba spotted at Villa Park... http://twitpic.com/bzil9b

Bad joke from Mat Kendrick!

Yeah I saw that 'hilarious' tweet, then I unfollowed the prick >:(

He gets on my nerves too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 02:28:16 PM: Maybe Lambert thinks Jones will score us the goals in the championship because Benteke wont.

He wont be here .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 02:30:25 PM: This thread needs an inspiring picture montage of our leader to keep our spirits up. WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT!

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1525071.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Aston+Villa+manager+Paul+Lambert)

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article257615.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Paul+Lambert.jpg)

(http://absolutefootball1.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/aston-villas-paul-lambert-008.jpg)

(http://thethoughtstash.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/ricky-gervais-derek1.jpg?w=500&h=282)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2013, 02:32:38 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 02:28:16 PM
Maybe Lambert thinks Jones will score us the goals in the championship because Benteke wont.

He wont be here .

The most depressing thing I've ever read
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:35:03 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 02:09:22 PM
Samba spotted at Villa Park... http://twitpic.com/bzil9b

Bad joke from Mat Kendrick!

Yeah I saw that 'hilarious' tweet, then I unfollowed the prick >:(

He gets on my nerves too.

Heard anything Maz? I'm massively clutching at straws of hope now and running out of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 02:37:05 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
We don't need a bloody striker.

Is that by Tina Turner?

Excellent work there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2013, 02:41:21 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
I'd be more inclined to go with what actually came from the horse's mouth rather than someone elses version of what they think might have happened. Regardless of how good anyone thinks either player is, it seems as clear as day that they would be at least part of the squad if ability was the only thing being considered. I wouldn't be surprised if their wages came close to the combined total we're paying 4 or 5 of the new players.

Not really, it being financial and/or ability related are exclusive. Lambert has probably decided that he's not good enough and that trying everything to get rid of him will free up wages and maybe get a little money as a transfer fee which can both be used to sign a better player.

As others have said, if it was entirely finance based Given and Ireland would have had the same treatment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 02:41:29 PM: Quote from: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2013, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 30, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
On the Sky Sports Transfer Clockwatch . . .

Aston Villa have today been heavily backed to sign Kenwyne Jones, seeing their price to sign him cut from 8/1 down to 6/4 favourites ahead of Swansea (7/4)

1) Why?
2) Couldn't help thinking, when we last played them, that he was looking a little "Dunnesque"
3) Should this happen, it'll merely confirm my opinion that eventually all Villa managers go mental.
Re Palacios; maybe, after some of the stuff that's happened to him, a change of scenery is what he needs. Reading some stat site on tinternet, it's odd that he's not played more. Guaranteed a start, plenty to play for, one last chance to play for a good club given his age. Him, yes. Jones, no.

I'm with you on this one...and it would appear to be happening all the quicker each time!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 02:57:57 PM: Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Seems there might - note the word 'might' - be some transfer deadline day activity at #avfc tomorrow after all
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 02:59:15 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
We don't need a bloody striker.

Is that by Tina Turner?

Haha that's had me pissing my sides
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Simon Jones on January 30, 2013, 02:59:59 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Seems there might - note the word 'might' - be some transfer deadline day activity at #avfc tomorrow after all
What he neglected to say was that it will be Warnock to Leeds!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM: Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: shipscat on January 30, 2013, 03:04:24 PM: Matt Phillips from Blackpool anyone?

A little whisper off someone who's been correct before!

Pace,tricks and a directness that I think weve lacked since young departed
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2013, 03:04:47 PM: Zubar leaving Wolves for Ajaccio. Worth an (old Irish money) punt? He's that big, black, mean defender an'shit, right?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:05:02 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

Straight cash of part ex dave?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:05:21 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.
Would just perfectly sum up how atrociously managed we are f we sell Bent with no time left to use the cash to reinforce!
I'm losing the will.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:05:30 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

If we get a decent price for Bent, then I wouldn't be unhappy. It's the Jones coming the other way rumour that puzzles me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 30, 2013, 03:05:53 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

hopefully for a big wad of cash and then we get someone in...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:06:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

Straight cash of part ex dave?

No idea, just that the story has legs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:06:47 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.
Would just perfectly sum up how atrociously managed we are f we sell Bent with no time left to use the cash to reinforce!
I'm losing the will.....

We don't know that it won't though. Maybe we need this to happen to allow the funds for others to come in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 30, 2013, 03:08:08 PM: We don't need to be linked with strikers.
We have (decent) strikers.

What we dont have is anyone to create the bloody chances for them !!!!!!!

ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH !!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:08:22 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.
Would just perfectly sum up how atrociously managed we are f we sell Bent with no time left to use the cash to reinforce!
I'm losing the will.....

We don't know that it won't though. Maybe we need this to happen to allow the funds for others to come in?
You're right, we don't know. Just saying the above scenario would just be the icing on this pretty shit cake
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 30, 2013, 03:08:52 PM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 30, 2013, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

hopefully for a big wad of cash and then we get someone in...

Probably a straight swap for horse racing's Michael Owen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 03:09:33 PM: Seems there might - note the word 'might' - be some transfer deadline day activity at #avfc tomorrow after all

Tweeted by Mat Kendrick
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:10:44 PM: So basically Kendrick knows fuck all and is just covering all bases.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 03:11:16 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 30, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
I'd be more inclined to go with what actually came from the horse's mouth rather than someone elses version of what they think might have happened. Regardless of how good anyone thinks either player is, it seems as clear as day that they would be at least part of the squad if ability was the only thing being considered. I wouldn't be surprised if their wages came close to the combined total we're paying 4 or 5 of the new players.

Not really, it being financial and/or ability related are exclusive. Lambert has probably decided that he's not good enough and that trying everything to get rid of him will free up wages and maybe get a little money as a transfer fee which can both be used to sign a better player.

As others have said, if it was entirely finance based Given and Ireland would have had the same treatment.

Exactly, I think I may have been misinterpreted. When I said Lambert was forced to get rid of the pair, I didn't actually mean that the owner/board made him do this, the theory is the one you've mentioned - that he needed to free up space on the wage bill to get players in to plug the holes left from the previous regime. This still suggests to me that both the Hutton and Warnock situations are in the main financially motivated and not because they are not good enough as previously suggested.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 03:12:44 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

Well if it results in us getting players in the positions we need then so be it. I'm not happy that we're selling him, but needs must.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:13:20 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 30, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
We don't need to be linked with strikers.
We have (decent) strikers.

What we dont have is anyone to create the bloody chances for them !!!!!!!

ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH !!!

Be just our luck if benteke breaks a leg on sat now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 30, 2013, 03:13:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.

Straight cash of part ex dave?

Part exchanges almost never happen. They often make theoretical sense and the press like printing them for some reason.

I would worry though that if we got £10m for Bent, the prices we have in mind for the players we want to buy might shoot up and then RL/PL/PF might refuse to pay them.... or is that worrying a bit too much?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM: Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 03:15:48 PM: I'm past caring if we sign anyone before the deadline or not, the damage has already been done. It's going to take a miracle to beat the drop. Only 4 wins all season is beyond relegation form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 03:16:47 PM: If Bent goes and no-one comes in then Lerner and Lambert should be shot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:17:30 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2013, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
Bent to Stoke's getting stronger.
Would just perfectly sum up how atrociously managed we are f we sell Bent with no time left to use the cash to reinforce!
I'm losing the will.....

We don't know that it won't though. Maybe we need this to happen to allow the funds for others to come in?
You're right, we don't know. Just saying the above scenario would just be the icing on this pretty shit cake

I'll have lost the will too if that does happen!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM: Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 03:20:48 PM: I'm at a loss. Only Villa could pay 24m for a proven goalscorer, then sell the supply line and watch him flounder. Probably get less than half that for him and what we do will probably waste on utter shit

I really felt for Bent and Benteke in the first half last night. What striker could thrive in that utterly ridiculous formation ? talk about isolated. I'm half thinking Lambert did it on purpose

Oh well, we'll sell Bent, and Benteke will be off in the summer too. That'll leave young Andreas with the weight of the world on his shoulders as 'living local legend' Gabby chips in with his usual 2/3 goals a year to help him.

Can't we interest Stoke in taking Lambert as a bog cleaner or something instead ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM: I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM: This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 03:21:54 PM: Quote from: shipscat on January 30, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
Matt Phillips from Blackpool anyone?

A little whisper off someone who's been correct before!

Pace,tricks and a directness that I think weve lacked since young departed

Yes but only after a defensive centre mid and a centre half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:22:26 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
I'm at a loss. Only Villa could pay 24m for a proven goalscorer, then sell the supply line and watch him flounder. Probably get less than half that for him and what we do will probably waste on utter shit

I really felt for Bent and Benteke in the first half last night. What striker could thrive in that utterly ridiculous formation ? talk about isolated. I'm half thinking Lambert did it on purpose

Oh well, we'll sell Bent, and Benteke will be off in the summer too. That'll leave young Andreas with the weight of the world on his shoulders as 'living local legend' Gabby chips in with his usual 2/3 goals a year to help him.

Can't we interest Stoke in taking Lambert as a bog cleaner or something instead ?

I like your style.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 03:22:50 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 02:35:03 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on January 30, 2013, 02:09:22 PM
Samba spotted at Villa Park... http://twitpic.com/bzil9b

Bad joke from Mat Kendrick!

Yeah I saw that 'hilarious' tweet, then I unfollowed the prick >:(

He gets on my nerves too.

Heard anything Maz? I'm massively clutching at straws of hope now and running out of them.

Just that what's been said all along. There's some money there, it's just getting to use it, or getting Lambert to use it that's the problem. My feeling is and has been for a while, that there will be some last minute business and that Lambert is playing some dodgy brinksmanship games with agents and the like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:23:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

I'm not having that. He was worse than awful last night, he got the chance that some of you had been clamouring for and was crap for 45 minutes and rightly taken off. I'll accept that because of Benteke we don't play to his strengths, but if he'd not adaptable enough to cope then we're better off without him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:23:32 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
I reckon he'd have got a couple in the second half yesterday. Lambert system is utter shit not Bent
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2013, 03:23:43 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

Any good? My favourite band....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 03:24:02 PM: Extremely dodgy brinkmanship, especially since we've lost several games now that could have a massive impact on our season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:25:12 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?

Will a nice pie do?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:26:48 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?

Do they still have hookers in Balsall Heath? I think you're about 20 years out of date.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:26:48 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

I'm not having that. He was worse than awful last night, he got the chance that some of you had been clamouring for and was crap for 45 minutes and rightly taken off. I'll accept that because of Benteke we don't play to his strengths, but if he'd not adaptable enough to cope then we're better off without him.

We bought bent to play to his strengths , he scored for fun with young and downing supplying him - cant blame him for then being asked to play in an alien system with no service - he leaves with my thanks and good wishes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2013, 03:27:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

Im sick of posting the obvious but get a winger that can cross a ball fast and hard then Bent will get on the end of it 8 times out of ten.

But Mumbles has no intention of buying a winger Och no far too old fashioned so there is no point in keeping Bent is there!

Billy McNeil is the worst manager we have had but Lambert by himself is sucking the life out of this proud club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 03:27:04 PM: Interesting read if you have five minutes

http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/fourfourtwoview/archive/2013/01/16/the-truth-behind-the-transfer-rumour-mill.aspx
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 30, 2013, 03:28:33 PM: Problem with Bent is that you just hear rumours of his lack of popularity in the dressing room, same at Sunderland and now Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 30, 2013, 03:28:40 PM: I've just read on the sky sports app that we've been heavily linked with Kenwyne Jones, just what we need another fucking striker!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 03:28:58 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.
Agree with you two.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:28:59 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?

Do they still have hookers in Balsall Heath? I think you're about 20 years out of date.

No idea, since I let my subscription to Prossie Monthly lapse i've not kept up to date with such things.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 03:30:24 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.
Agree with you two.

Make that three.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:32:07 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

I'm not having that. He was worse than awful last night, he got the chance that some of you had been clamouring for and was crap for 45 minutes and rightly taken off. I'll accept that because of Benteke we don't play to his strengths, but if he'd not adaptable enough to cope then we're better off without him.
Chris,the whole team were crap for the first 45 minutes Newcastle having 80% possession for a lot of the half This was down to Lamberts shocking tactics yet again.We couldn't get near them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DaveD on January 30, 2013, 03:37:51 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 03:20:48 PM
I'm at a loss. Only Villa could pay 24m for a proven goalscorer, then sell the supply line and watch him flounder. Probably get less than half that for him and what we do will probably waste on utter shit

I really felt for Bent and Benteke in the first half last night. What striker could thrive in that utterly ridiculous formation ? talk about isolated. I'm half thinking Lambert did it on purpose

Oh well, we'll sell Bent, and Benteke will be off in the summer too. That'll leave young Andreas with the weight of the world on his shoulders as 'living local legend' Gabby chips in with his usual 2/3 goals a year to help him.

Can't we interest Stoke in taking Lambert as a bog cleaner or something instead ?

But Lambert didn't sell the supply line, did he ? Randy/Faulkner did that all on their own during the hiatus between Houllier and McLeish. McLeish then bought N'Zogbia, who superficially loads the gun in similar ways to Young/Downing, but also insists on trying to fire it himself.

Lambert recognised that we didn't have a supply line, and bought a striker that could do without it.

Having said that, the starting XI last night was inexplicable.

The old adage is, you don't become a bad team overnight. This is still true for us - it has taken 2.5 years work by at least five culprits. Blaming it all on any one of them misses the point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:39:40 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Interesting read if you have five minutes

http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/fourfourtwoview/archive/2013/01/16/the-truth-behind-the-transfer-rumour-mill.aspx

It's a nefarious world...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 30, 2013, 03:41:56 PM: I'll be fucking furious if we sign a striker, having said that with just over a day to go, I really don't think we'll be signing ANYONE...Please prove me wrong
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 03:45:02 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

I'm not having that. He was worse than awful last night, he got the chance that some of you had been clamouring for and was crap for 45 minutes and rightly taken off. I'll accept that because of Benteke we don't play to his strengths, but if he'd not adaptable enough to cope then we're better off without him.
Chris,the whole team were crap for the first 45 minutes Newcastle having 80% possession for a lot of the half This was down to Lamberts shocking tactics yet again.We couldn't get near them

I wouldn't say it was totally down to tactics. I think playing against a team with better players than ours in the majority of positions might have had something to do with it. They panicked after our good start in the second half and we played above ourselves as a result. How many players do you think they would take out of our side?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:45:37 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

I'm not having that. He was worse than awful last night, he got the chance that some of you had been clamouring for and was crap for 45 minutes and rightly taken off. I'll accept that because of Benteke we don't play to his strengths, but if he'd not adaptable enough to cope then we're better off without him.
Chris,the whole team were crap for the first 45 minutes Newcastle having 80% possession for a lot of the half This was down to Lamberts shocking tactics yet again.We couldn't get near them

That's one way of looking at it, the other is that the team was better without Bent on the pitch. Gabby's did more in the first 5 minutes he was on than Bent had in 45. He just doesn't suit the way we play now and if we're going to have any hope of staying up we need to forget about trying to accommodate him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 03:46:37 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
I reckon he'd have got a couple in the second half yesterday. Lambert system is utter shit not Bent

Lambert's first half system was bollocks, but the change of system was only as important as bringing on Weimann, who works harder and can just do more on the pitch. Bent was disinterested and poor yesterday, and give me Weimann any day over that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 30, 2013, 03:46:43 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Interesting read if you have five minutes

http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/fourfourtwoview/archive/2013/01/16/the-truth-behind-the-transfer-rumour-mill.aspx

It's a nefarious world...

Good read! Sums it up really, we have no-one at the club with the nous or balls to join in this type of pantomine brinkmanship to use it to our advantage.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 03:48:37 PM: Just got out the car with Talksport saying ' stay tuned ,you wont miss a thing regarding the transfers'

We Know .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 30, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.
Agree with you two.

Make that three.

Statistically, Benteke is our most prolific striker.

Benteke 12 goals from 26 apps = 0.46 per game
Bent 24 from 59 = 0.41
Weimann 15 from 39 = 0.38
Gabby 66 from 271 = 0.24

He doesn't want to be here, he isn't number one striker anymore. He has a decent sell on value.

Sell him and invest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:51:43 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
I reckon he'd have got a couple in the second half yesterday. Lambert system is utter shit not Bent

Lambert's first half system was bollocks, but the change of system was only as important as bringing on Weimann, who works harder and can just do more on the pitch. Bent was disinterested and poor yesterday, and give me Weimann any day over that.
I think we are both barking on the same hymnsheet, or something like that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:53:14 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?

Do they still have hookers in Balsall Heath? I think you're about 20 years out of date.

No idea, since I let my subscription to Prossie Monthly lapse i've not kept up to date with such things.

Well such shoddy research and choice of out of date clichés has blown your Pulitzer chances I'm afraid, Mr Shin. ;¬)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 03:53:55 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
I reckon he'd have got a couple in the second half yesterday. Lambert system is utter shit not Bent

Lambert's first half system was bollocks, but the change of system was only as important as bringing on Weimann, who works harder and can just do more on the pitch. Bent was disinterested and poor yesterday, and give me Weimann any day over that.
I think we are both barking on the same hymnsheet, or something like that.

Singin' aff the same broadsheet, as Charlie Nicholas would put it. Just like Obmal's naw cuttin' the custard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:58:21 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Bent to Stoke makes sense to me. They have money, they need a striker, we need money, hopefully we can make it work at the last minute. Bent against Newcastle should have been the latest in a long line of proofs that he is just not right for us.
I reckon he'd have got a couple in the second half yesterday. Lambert system is utter shit not Bent

Lambert's first half system was bollocks, but the change of system was only as important as bringing on Weimann, who works harder and can just do more on the pitch. Bent was disinterested and poor yesterday, and give me Weimann any day over that.
I think we are both barking on the same hymnsheet, or something like that.

Singin' aff the same broadsheet, as Charlie Nicholas would put it. Just like Obmal's naw cuttin' the custard.
Aye. Weimann is fast becoming my favourite player. I love Benteke, but you get the feeling he will outgrow us (even if we stay up and improve next season) and move on to better things. Weimann I can see going on to become a club legend.

Bent can fuck off
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 04:01:03 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
Aye. Weimann is fast becoming my favourite player. I love Benteke, but you get the feeling he will outgrow us (even if we stay up and improve next season) and move on to better things. Weimann I can see going on to become a club legend.

Bent can fuck off

All sentiments I agree with. Gabby is looking better in league games as a winger as well, I just wish he'd cut inside and shoot more because he can actually rifle them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:02:14 PM: Villa to get another hammering on talksport with the ginger one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 30, 2013, 04:03:16 PM: "Villa fans can sniff danger a mile off. As we knew with the appointment of Alex McLeish, we know when our club is in trouble. The club should make use of our radar. 24 hours to act."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 04:05:34 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Villa to get another hammering on talksport with the ginger one

Just let go. On Radio 3 there is choral evensong from Aldeburgh Parish Church.

Harry Redknapp has put a Bid in for Thomas Tallis
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 04:08:19 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 30, 2013, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
Villa to get another hammering on talksport with the ginger one

Just let go. On Radio 3 there is choral evensong from Aldeburgh Parish Church.

Harry Redknapp has put a Bid in for Thomas Tallis

"Oi reelay loike the lad, he dun gud wiv that 'Sperm in Aliens' fing."
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 04:08:27 PM: Benteke and Weimann are quite capable of scoring a hatful for us if we give them the ammunition. It's the tiny, weedy midfield and the panicky, ball-watching defence that's the problem.

So I simply refuse to believe these Kenywyne Jones rumours, on the basis that nobody could be THAT stupid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:08:48 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

I was I was in Heaven ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:11:01 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
Benteke and Weimann are quite capable of scoring a hatful for us if we give them the ammunition. It's the tiny, weedy midfield and the panicky, ball-watching defence that's the problem.

So I simply refuse to believe these Kenywyne Jones rumours, on the basis that nobody could be THAT stupid.

My worry selling bent is what if benteke gets a bad injury?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 04:12:18 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
Benteke and Weimann are quite capable of scoring a hatful for us if we give them the ammunition. It's the tiny, weedy midfield and the panicky, ball-watching defence that's the problem.

So I simply refuse to believe these Kenywyne Jones rumours, on the basis that nobody could be THAT stupid.

My worry selling bent is what if benteke gets a bad injury?

Maybe so, but if it allows us to sign a good midfielder then we have to take the risk, because we don't have a proper midfield even if everyone is fully fit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:12:24 PM: I don't think Jones is coming.

I think Crouch is off to QPR, and Bent will be replacing him at Stoke. Can't see them selling both Crouch and Jones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:13:22 PM: If Benteke gets a bad injury then we are fucked whether Bent is here or not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan1975 on January 30, 2013, 04:14:17 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
This is PWS reporting from BH. Breaking news, we may sign someone before the transfer window closes. We might even sign more than one player. Although there is also the chance we won't sign anyone. We might also sell someone, but then again we may not.

Now we go back to SSN for more shots of 'Arry Redknapp poking his head through a car window more often than a Balsall Heath hooker.

P.s. Can I have my Pulitzer now please?

Do they still have hookers in Balsall Heath? I think you're about 20 years out of date.

No idea, since I let my subscription to Prossie Monthly lapse i've not kept up to date with such things.

Well such shoddy research and choice of out of date clichés has blown your Pulitzer chances I'm afraid, Mr Shin. ;¬)

Send it to the Birminghampress.com......always room there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM: Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 04:15:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
Benteke and Weimann are quite capable of scoring a hatful for us if we give them the ammunition. It's the tiny, weedy midfield and the panicky, ball-watching defence that's the problem.

So I simply refuse to believe these Kenywyne Jones rumours, on the basis that nobody could be THAT stupid.

My worry selling bent is what if benteke gets a bad injury?

Then Weimann partners Gabby, Gabby has shown he can hold the ball up well in the past and played as a striker Gabby could still chip in with more than a few goals I'm sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 30, 2013, 04:15:19 PM: Whether or not it will happen I don't know, but I am convinced that the plan was to sell Bent and use the money in areas where we need strengthening. The reason it may not have happened is that during the Jan transfer window there is usually a rush of activity as everyone shows their cards, maybe thats what will happen...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:21:54 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.

true but any player please , please please * looks to god *
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: not3bad on January 30, 2013, 04:22:04 PM: Buying Kenwyne Jones would be like decorating your toilet while the drains are blocked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 04:24:07 PM: If selling Bent means we can get 1 or 2 others who will improve us in other positions I think it's a chance we have to take.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 30, 2013, 04:24:32 PM: Quote from: not3bad on January 30, 2013, 04:22:04 PM
Buying Kenwyne Jones would be like decorating your toilet while the drains are blocked.

Ha ha! Brilliant!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:25:00 PM: I would tell Stoke we want Palacios, Upson and Jones and Adams plus 5 millions for Bent and Ireland

What do you think.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 04:25:29 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?

With all due respect, he is the last thing we need. Jones is useful defending corners at least!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 04:25:42 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 04:24:07 PM
If selling Bent means we can get 1 or 2 others who will improve us in other positions I think it's a chance we have to take.

I agree with that, definitely. Bent is about as much use as tits on a fish at the moment. Ship him out - to anyone, don't care who - and buy a sodding midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 04:26:45 PM: Gabby has to play on the wing for the rest of the season, putting in 100% to help the full back too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:27:06 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?

f**king Charlie Adam would be better than the ones we have. Its got that bad
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 04:27:35 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I would tell Stoke we want Palacios, Upson and Jones and Adams plus 5 millions for Bent and Ireland

What do you think.

I'd take that...and then spend the 5 mill on diame and his wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 04:27:43 PM: Can certainly see the sense behind selling the uninterested Bent if we use the money wisely in the next 24 hours. Big 'if' though.

Without wishing to state the obvious, if we're playing swaps with Stoke can we not just have Crouch back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:29:05 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?

and someone is better than him and so on and so on......

Out of interest how many times have you seen Coutinho play? Tim Vickery who seems to know everything and anything about South American football thinks he'll struggle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Put your house on that, would you? He's not played a game yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:30:36 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:29:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?

and someone is better than him and so on and so on......

Out of interest how many times have you seen Coutinho play? Tim Vickery who seems to know everything and anything about South American football thinks he'll struggle.

true I hadnt see KEA play neither
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:33:29 PM: The point is , every one is strengthening their squads , where we need certain positions filled now . So we need a move on , If Lambert thinks we can stay up with this squad then Im Dave Gahan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:34:42 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I would tell Stoke we want Palacios, Upson and Jones and Adams plus 5 millions for Bent and Ireland

What do you think.

I think stoke would not want ireland for starters - palacios , upson and adam plus £4m for bent.
Their wages would be covered by losing hutton, warnock and bent and we would still have cash left to spend and have got a centre half and 2 midfielders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 04:35:16 PM: How much, plus Jones do you think Stoke would pay? 8? Diame and Stephens on deadline day plus Jones. Would make us a bit bigger
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:38:13 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Put your house on that, would you? He's not played a game yet.

Are you saying bannan, Ireland , herd etc are better than coutinho? Ridiculous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:38:25 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I would tell Stoke we want Palacios, Upson and Jones and Adams plus 5 millions for Bent and Ireland

What do you think.

I think you're clearly mad if you'd want any of those four anywhere near our club
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:38:59 PM: Well we will try to move Ireland so we can pay 2 players wages with his wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 04:39:02 PM: Coutinho will take time to settle and is very lightweight. We need the exact opposite at the moment!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:39:59 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
Without wishing to state the obvious, if we're playing swaps with Stoke can we not just have Crouch back?

Yeah, he's only 32 and certainly isn't a striker that thrives on service like Bent .... DOH
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:40:32 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
Well we will try to move Ireland so we can pay 2 players wages with his wages.

Who would want him on his wages?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:41:39 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.

I'm surprised you could see his body language considering he's spent most of the season either on the bench or in the stands. As our side have been scoring goals for fun ...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:41:45 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
Without wishing to state the obvious, if we're playing swaps with Stoke can we not just have Crouch back?

Yeah, he's only 32 and certainly isn't a striker that thrives on service like Bent .... DOH

The only reason stoke could get bent is crouch going to qpr.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:43:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Put your house on that, would you? He's not played a game yet.

Are you saying bannan, Ireland , herd etc are better than coutinho? Ridiculous.
You know what my point is, and you know that's not what I'm saying. He may be good on Football Manager, but he hasn't kicked a ball in the Premier league yet, didn't make an impact at Inter or on loan last year at Espanyol. He may have potential, but to state it as bona fide fact that he is better than what we have seems premature
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 30, 2013, 04:43:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
Well we will try to move Ireland so we can pay 2 players wages with his wages.

Who would want him ?
fixed
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 04:45:01 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.

I'm surprised you could see his body language considering he's spent most of the season either on the bench or in the stands. As our side have been scoring goals for fun ...
This is what I don't get about the Bent thing.Anyone would think we'd be pulling up trees without him.We have been bloody awful and the lowest goal scorers in the league.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 04:46:29 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I would tell Stoke we want Palacios, Upson and Jones and Adams plus 5 millions for Bent and Ireland

What do you think.

I think you're clearly mad if you'd want any of those four anywhere near our club

Four older prem experienced players plus 5mill (maybe three if upson's injuries persisted) for two, one player of which can't be arsed for us and the other doesn't suit the style of play the manager is trying to instill...if it were real i'd bite both their hands off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 30, 2013, 04:47:41 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:43:19 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Put your house on that, would you? He's not played a game yet.

Are you saying bannan, Ireland , herd etc are better than coutinho? Ridiculous.
You know what my point is, and you know that's not what I'm saying. He may be good on Football Manager, but he hasn't kicked a ball in the Premier league yet, didn't make an impact at Inter or on loan last year at Espanyol. He may have potential, but to state it as bona fide fact that he is better than what we have seems premature

Could well be another aquilani...just a bit cheaper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:47:48 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.

I'm surprised you could see his body language considering he's spent most of the season either on the bench or in the stands. As our side have been scoring goals for fun ...
He's featured in 18 of our 31 games this season, and not looked like he has given a fuck in many of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 04:49:26 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2013, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

Any good? My favourite band....

Would you like a link Sir? (Mods is this allowed?)

It's fucking awesome in my opinion. Very slow and Beatleque and hints of the 70s. The b-side is very 80s ala Ultravox. Some fans love it and some are hating Heaven
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2013, 04:49:52 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 03:16:47 PM
If Bent goes and no-one comes in then Lerner and Lambert should be shot.

Randy wants another fat cheque to put in his bank account which needs topping-up as the balance stands at a meagre £1.1Billion. Yes, he's a Billionaire in £££'s now not $$$'s. You need to appreciate that these are hard times......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 04:51:04 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.

I'm surprised you could see his body language considering he's spent most of the season either on the bench or in the stands. As our side have been scoring goals for fun ...
He's featured in 18 of our 31 games this season, and not looked like he has given a fuck in many of them.
Well he equalised against West Brom and was promptly dropped afterwards. What message does that give him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:51:04 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:43:19 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 30, 2013, 04:19:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Liverpool complete the signing of that Brazillian playmaker . ;(

I'll say it again, very promising player but why the hell would we at this moment in time be interested in another pint sized midfielder? It seems we've got a plethora of them already and £8.5m and no doubt £40k pw.
Maybe because hes a lot better than the ones we have?
Put your house on that, would you? He's not played a game yet.

Are you saying bannan, Ireland , herd etc are better than coutinho? Ridiculous.
You know what my point is, and you know that's not what I'm saying. He may be good on Football Manager, but he hasn't kicked a ball in the Premier league yet, didn't make an impact at Inter or on loan last year at Espanyol. He may have potential, but to state it as bona fide fact that he is better than what we have seems premature

Not when you look how poor our midfield are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 30, 2013, 04:51:40 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
Quote from: glasses on January 30, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
He doesn't want to be here

says who ?
His body language all season.

I'm surprised you could see his body language considering he's spent most of the season either on the bench or in the stands. As our side have been scoring goals for fun ...
This is what I don't get about the Bent thing.Anyone would think we'd be pulling up trees without him.We have been bloody awful and the lowest goal scorers in the league.

Someone put the stats up a few pages back that proved Benteke has scored more goals per game than Bent. When you add in what else he brings to the side and also that you'd probably lose Weimann's goals in setting us up to service Bent, then I think it's one thing Lambert has got right this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 04:52:46 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

I was I was in Heaven ;(

Haha very good
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:53:40 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

I wish I was in Heaven ;(

Haha very good
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2013, 04:55:24 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2013, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I'm glad Depeche Mode's new single has come out, as that has taken me away from the depressing news surrounding the Villa

Any good? My favourite band....

Would you like a link Sir? (Mods is this allowed?)

It's fucking awesome in my opinion. Very slow and Beatleque and hints of the 70s. The b-side is very 80s ala Ultravox. Some fans love it and some are hating Heaven

Yes, I love Depeche Mode, so if you're allowed chap - thanks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2013, 05:32:17 PM: Heaven is a place where nothing, nothing ever happens.

Kinda like this thread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 30, 2013, 05:35:38 PM: Ooh baby do you know what it's worth?
You make Heaven a place on Earth.

Not really relevant but I wanted to join in. Sorry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 05:35:57 PM: Ha another classic song, love Talking Heads
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SW9-VILLA on January 30, 2013, 05:41:10 PM: We're not getting anyone are we?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 30, 2013, 05:44:17 PM: So 513 pages in can somebody please recap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 30, 2013, 05:44:26 PM: Quote from: SW9-VILLA on January 30, 2013, 05:41:10 PM
We're not getting anyone are we?

never heard that one, what year DM did they release it ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 05:45:34 PM: enjoy The Silence coming from Villa park
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 05:49:08 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
enjoy The Silence coming from Villa park

words are meaningless, and forgettable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holtemeister on January 30, 2013, 05:49:17 PM: Quote from: montague on January 30, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
So 513 pages in can somebody please recap.

Yeah ..... ready ?

Here we go .....

Nowts happened
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2013, 05:54:50 PM: there's a definite fragile tension on here these evening
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2013, 05:56:30 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 30, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: Holte132 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:29 PM
SSN just said that Lambert has said that he won't be signing anyone.

Backs to the wall lads :(
Why? Is Upson signing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on January 30, 2013, 06:00:41 PM: So maybe Robbie Keane for his winter break with LAG? Do we need him now?? Yes, yes we do!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 30, 2013, 06:01:43 PM: be glad when its all over,

then we can all piss of back to 'of topic' and argue about the Politics/religion/racism/40 year old women who are still fit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:10:18 PM: Apparently we are being linked with Yacouba Sylla in the French press. Six foot midfielder so fits the bill I guess. Here is the obligatory wiki link: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 06:10:36 PM: Quote from: john e on January 30, 2013, 06:01:43 PM
be glad when its all over,

then we can all piss of back to 'of topic' and argue about the Politics/religion/racism/40 year old women who are still fit

I look forward to it, I am yet to check any other area of the forum due to the gripping transfer action. I shall argue well on the last topic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:16:49 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Apparently we are being linked with Yacouba Sylla in the French press. Six foot midfielder so fits the bill I guess. Here is the obligatory wiki link: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla

Lots of experience there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 30, 2013, 06:21:51 PM: Bad groin or no bad groin, can't we just place Dunney in goal. If he ball gets past that belly, it's worthy of winning any game! Ha

This time tomorrow will be interesting/depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 06:22:39 PM: Sylla -knowing lerner hed probably end up signing cilla black.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 30, 2013, 06:22:59 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Apparently we are being linked with Yacouba Sylla in the French press. Six foot midfielder so fits the bill I guess. Here is the obligatory wiki link: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla

French league 2 and 22. Surely not too promising, obviously not seen the lad though and we need a brute. I would take ANYONE though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM: @ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Mentioned here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249662/QPR-Fulham-Udinese-eye-Yacouba-Sylla-Clermont.html

Last year linked with QPR and Fulham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:27:14 PM: All over Twitter now. Has passed a medical according to reports. Some claiming that his club have already signed a replacement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 06:27:20 PM: Right position at least. Lets hope 1. It is true, 2. It happens and 3. he is a decent player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:31:36 PM: . Blackpool's Matt Phillips, West Ham's Mohamed Diamé, & Fulham's Brede Hangeland please
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2013, 06:32:36 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:10:18 PM
Apparently we are being linked with Yacouba Sylla in the French press. Six foot midfielder so fits the bill I guess. Here is the obligatory wiki link: www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla

Lots of experience there

Indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:33:08 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
@ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Mentioned here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249662/QPR-Fulham-Udinese-eye-Yacouba-Sylla-Clermont.html

Last year linked with QPR and Fulham

22 year old with 18 games . not what we need to come in straight in , unless he is Viera
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 30, 2013, 06:36:37 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
@ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Mentioned here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249662/QPR-Fulham-Udinese-eye-Yacouba-Sylla-Clermont.html

Last year linked with QPR and Fulham

22 year old with 18 games . not what we need to come in straight in , unless he is Viera

Played 21 games this season alone inc 20 starts for his club in Ligue 2
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 06:39:04 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:31:36 PM
. Blackpool's Matt Phillips, West Ham's Mohamed Diamé, & Fulham's Brede Hangeland please

A friend of mine said hed been texted those very same 3 names an hour ago- spooky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:39:24 PM: Couldn't care less how old he is, or where he's playing. Hope it's true. Seems rather odd, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 30, 2013, 06:39:51 PM: He is what we need going to Elland Road. Put his foot on the ball, feed Koran, into Redmond, onto Austin's head, flicked onto Andi and BANG! Goal number 34 for the Austrian king.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 30, 2013, 06:40:50 PM: Sylla? Surprise surprise!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:41:05 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:31:36 PM
. Blackpool's Matt Phillips, West Ham's Mohamed Diamé, & Fulham's Brede Hangeland please

A friend of mime said hed been texted those very same 3 names an hour ago- spooky.

Aye, someone I know said this; According to a Villa Insider on Twitter (he broke the Benteke deal before Sky Sports/BBC did), we have made bids for Matty Phillips, Diame and Brede Hangelend.

So those three names are being bandied around.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 06:41:33 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 30, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
@ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Mentioned here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249662/QPR-Fulham-Udinese-eye-Yacouba-Sylla-Clermont.html

Last year linked with QPR and Fulham

22 year old with 18 games . not what we need to come in straight in , unless he is Viera

Played 21 games this season alone inc 20 starts for his club in Ligue 2

A young player from the French lower league?
Yeah that's really gonna keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 06:42:07 PM: I keep seeing those names now. Something going on? Or, are we clutching at straws?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2013, 06:42:20 PM: one has to hope whatever happens that we haven't left any signings that we make too late to have a significant influence on our league position and form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 06:43:36 PM: I just had a text with the name of a very bad centre back on, currently playing (occasionally) for Sunderland. I can't even bring myself to name him. FFS. I hope we don't sign anyone if that's the case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:44:02 PM: James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#AVFC are trying to sign at least one player. Looking abroad, a foreign centre-back, more details later
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 06:44:39 PM: Im going to my music studio to work on music. I have just be given great news I am opening for Killing Joke and Hatebreed in March, when I come back I expect 3 signings ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2013, 06:45:05 PM: At this pointy I will take unproven players with fancy names. Frankly just bodies for rotating the squad is what i am looking for. It may at least keep our final relegation points vaguely respectable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:45:11 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#AVFC are trying to sign at least one player. Looking abroad, a foreign centre-back, more details later

Fuck me, we're not looking at a centre mid? that is the priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:45:59 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#AVFC are trying to sign at least one player. Looking abroad, a foreign centre-back, more details later

Fuck me, we're not looking at a centre mid? that is the priority.

Well he says at least. Every chance there's deals going on he has no idea about.

Hopefully.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:47:09 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#AVFC are trying to sign at least one player. Looking abroad, a foreign centre-back, more details later

Fuck me, we're not looking at a centre mid? that is the priority.

Well he says at least. Every chance there's deals going on he has no idea about.

Hopefully.

I hope so, because centre mid is the clear priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2013, 06:47:56 PM: Guess Dunne's new injury blow has heightened the focus on getting a centre half in. Hope he can defend corners.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 06:47:58 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#AVFC are trying to sign at least one player. Looking abroad, a foreign centre-back, more details later

Fuck me, we're not looking at a centre mid? that is the priority.

Maybe 3 more - at last some action!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 06:48:09 PM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on January 30, 2013, 06:00:41 PM
So maybe Robbie Keane for his winter break with LAG? Do we need him now?? Yes, yes we do!

Robbie Keane in the middle of an attacking 3 in a 4-2-3-1 would make a big difference. Even though he was only here for a month last season, it was quite clear that he would be far better than Ireland and N'Zogbia in that role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:49:11 PM: Might not have experience but I'd take an unproven 6ft physical DM ahead of the likes of Bannan and Westwood (Let's face it, we are going down if that is our midfield partnership until the end of the season).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 06:49:51 PM: Maybe we can shift Clark into midfield if we sign a centre back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 06:50:04 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 06:49:11 PM
Might not have experience but I'd take an unproven 6ft physical DM ahead of the likes of Bannan and Westwood (Let's face it, we are going down if that is our midfield partnership until the end of the season).

Very true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 30, 2013, 06:50:27 PM: Sylla, Diame, Hangeland & Phillips would keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 06:51:16 PM: Sign a central midfielder that's better than what we currently have and we may not be totally doomed, add a decent centre half and I'd give us a fighting chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 06:55:37 PM: Quote from: The Man With A Stick on January 30, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
Sylla? Surprise surprise!

I can see any deal for Sylla hitting the rocks
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on January 30, 2013, 06:56:32 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 06:51:16 PM
Sign a central midfielder that's better than what we currently have and we may not be totally doomed, add a decent centre half and I'd give us a fighting chance.
This is what the majority can see. Pessimistic about staying up but one glimmer of hope for me is that you can see us scoring against almost anybody with the right starting line up but the negative is we need 3 to win.
Saw Hangeland play this year, would suit us down to the ground, very commanding.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 06:57:39 PM: We need signing to boost us as much as anything.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 06:58:12 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 30, 2013, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on January 30, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
Sylla? Surprise surprise!

I can see any deal for Sylla hitting the rocks

Anyone who had a heart would never suggest such a thing.:)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2013, 06:59:14 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
@ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Here's the source of the twitter breaking news.. I kid you not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2013, 07:00:05 PM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla

Who has been tampering with wiki?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2013, 07:00:09 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 30, 2013, 03:14:00 PM
Getting rid of our most prolific striker because our pathetic manager hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him,something that even Steve Bruce managed This is utterly depressing

Agree with this , natural goalscorer all his career and lambert hasnt a clue how to get the best from him when we have a terrible scoring record.

Don't agree with this as he's been fucking shit when he's played this season, and his replacement doesn't seem to have trouble playing for a shit manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 30, 2013, 07:02:18 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 06:49:51 PM
Maybe we can shift Clark into midfield if we sign a centre back?

I've mention Clark, alongside Westwood, as a defensive mid for a while now, as I think Baker alongside Vlaar is a better option at centre back.

Given the current squad I'd probably look at this as a starting line

...........................Guzan

Lowton..........Vlaar.......Baker...........Stevens

...............Westwood......Clark
.....................................................CN'Z
..........................Delph

.............Weimann.....Benteke
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:03:20 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 30, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2013, 06:49:51 PM
Maybe we can shift Clark into midfield if we sign a centre back?

I've mention Clark, alongside Westwood, as a defensive mid for a while now, as I think Baker alongside Vlaar is a better option at centre back.

Given the current squad I'd probably look at this as a starting line

...........................Guzan

Lowton..........Vlaar.......Baker...........Stevens

...............Westwood......Clark
.....................................................CN'Z
..........................Delph

.............Weimann.....Benteke

Thatll be all change by this time tomorrow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 30, 2013, 07:04:59 PM: I think Clark needs a break myself, midfielder please
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 30, 2013, 07:10:10 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 30, 2013, 07:04:59 PM
I think Clark needs a break myself, midfielder please

Think you're dead right, Phil.
That team selection was purely on the players available.

Apparently a French midfielder is having a medical tomorrow. Haven't a link as yet.

EDIT: Yacouba Sylla, French U21 international.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:14:22 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 30, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
@ FBAuvergne: Yacouba Sylla will leave @ ClermontFoot and engage with the English club Aston Villa. He passed a medical this afternoon.

Mentioned here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249662/QPR-Fulham-Udinese-eye-Yacouba-Sylla-Clermont.html

We want him as an ansyllary player
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 30, 2013, 07:15:28 PM: If you sign Scylla you have to sign Charybdis
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 30, 2013, 07:18:27 PM: French league 2.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 30, 2013, 07:20:17 PM: Confirmed by Pat Murphy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 30, 2013, 07:20:26 PM: Save me going through 16 pages since I last looked... the only link is a French 2nd div midfielder?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 30, 2013, 07:20:38 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 30, 2013, 07:15:28 PM
If you sign Scylla you have to sign Charybdis

Thanks a lot Brian, I've just Wikipediad that to see what position he plays :-[
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 07:21:49 PM: So, is this one of the players we definitely wouldn't be signing?

Or a different one?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on January 30, 2013, 07:22:25 PM: I feel strangely elated at this probably not very good signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:22:56 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 30, 2013, 07:15:28 PM
If you sign Scylla you have to sign Charybdis

A whirlpool in midfield would probably contravene the Laws somewhere along the line.
I like the idea of matching monsters, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 30, 2013, 07:23:53 PM: He is already better than Bannan and I haven't even read his name properly yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 07:24:20 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 30, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
He is already better than Bannan and I haven't even read his name properly yet.

That made me laugh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:24:34 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 30, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
He is already better than Bannan and I haven't even read his name properly yet.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 07:24:41 PM: I'd be the first to admit I've not heard of him so I don't wish to be unkind. But is anyone under the illusion a 22 yr old from the French second division can inspire this side to safety?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on January 30, 2013, 07:25:23 PM: Yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM: In the file with salifou and makoun for me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2013, 07:27:03 PM: Quote from: æv on January 30, 2013, 07:18:27 PM
French league 2.

As was Steve Mandanda when he came over for a trial with us in 2008, and Fofana who GH wanted in 2011 - both have gone on to far better things since.

Players have to start somewhere.

If he was 27/28 and still playing to that standard then fair enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:27:44 PM: Well in terms of style of player he sounds exactly like what we need, plus Udinese and Stuttgart were after him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 07:29:17 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on January 30, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: æv on January 30, 2013, 07:18:27 PM
French league 2.

As was Steve Mandanda when he came over for a trail with us in 2008, and Fofana who GH wanted in 2011 - both have gone on to far better things since.

Players have to start somewhere.

If he was 27/28 and still playing that standard then fair enough.

Fofana failed a medical here, the bastard.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:31:16 PM: Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
In the file with salifou and makoun for me.

Salifou came for peanuts, Makoun was fine. Give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 07:32:27 PM: Welcome aboard, Aldi is a good place to start to make your £6 an hour stretch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 30, 2013, 07:32:58 PM: May mate text me calling him Cilla.

I responded with Black?

If so, we're having a lorra, lorra, lorra laughs this transfer window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2013, 07:33:18 PM: I am more than happy to embrace Sylla as our saviour. Its 5 minutes till closing time and the lass in the corner with the dodgy eye and the donkey laugh is looking more and more attractive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:33:51 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
In the file with salifou and makoun for me.

Salifou came for peanuts, Makoun was fine. Give the guy a chance.

Just saying I'm not expecting much - and if he's that good why wasn't he signed on 1st Jan .

Lets hope I'm way off the mark .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:35:10 PM: Jesus Christ! We are signing a player from the French 2nd division, that's another Kid and sounds like an ingredient from a Pro biotic yoghurt.

We're doomed I tell you doomed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM: Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Thinking of the 'Bent to Stoke' talk, I would hope that in the event that the deal brings one of theirs to VP it's N'Zonzi we're asking for and not Charlie effing Adam!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:36:08 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ! We are signing a player from the French 2nd division, that's another Kid and sounds like an ingredient from a Pro biotic yoghurt.

We're doom I tell you doomed!

Thats the spirit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2013, 07:36:55 PM: (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549776_414498125291785_601290062_n.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 30, 2013, 07:37:56 PM: Can't believe people are already slating Sylla.

Sounds like one more is being worked on and possibly two more if we sell Bent. All happening.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:38:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ! We are signing a player from the French 2nd division, that's another Kid and sounds like an ingredient from a Pro biotic yoghurt.

We're doom I tell you doomed!

Thats the spirit!

Precisely give the guy a chance, he's the type of player we need. He's a French under 21 international and was wanted by some decent sides.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:38:11 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549776_414498125291785_601290062_n.jpg)

Looks a powerhouse , needed a bit strong midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 07:38:59 PM: Ideally what we need is someone who can play in the middle, pass a ball ten yards or so with regularity, and kick people without getting spotted doing it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 30, 2013, 07:40:23 PM: Welcome to the Villa, Sylla!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 07:41:07 PM: *Cough* Salifou *Cough*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 30, 2013, 07:41:45 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ! We are signing a player from the French 2nd division, that's another Kid and sounds like an ingredient from a Pro biotic yoghurt.

We're doomed I tell you doomed!

|Made me splutter my coffee over my laptop ..... Quality
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 07:42:12 PM: To be fair to the kid, he was linked with Fulham and QPR last month so I doubt he'll be any worse than what we currently have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 30, 2013, 07:42:25 PM: Vieria recommended this guy to man city, very much like Yaya Toure....ill take that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 30, 2013, 07:42:26 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 07:41:07 PM
*Cough* Salifou *Cough*

*Cough* Gareth Barry *Cough*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:42:36 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 07:41:07 PM
*Cough* Salifou *Cough*

It's not quite the same, he was older and a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 30, 2013, 07:42:58 PM: Rumour of Carragher....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2013, 07:43:03 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Thinking of the 'Bent to Stoke' talk, I would hope that in the event that the deal brings one of theirs to VP it's N'Zonzi we're asking for and not Charlie effing Adam!

I'd prefer N'Zonzi, and I think Adam flatters to deceive.

But I can't see them letting N'Zonzi go. He's more their kind of player. And Adam -even if he goes missing on occasion- would represent an upgrade on our current options.

TBH, I think it's unlikely any players on those kind of wages will be coming in though. I think it will be one or two more like the lad from France. Namely, players on wages we could still sustain if we drop down a division.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:43:10 PM: Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 30, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Vieria recommended this guy to man city, very much like Yaya Toure....ill take that

That'll do if he's half the player that'll do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 07:43:12 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 07:38:59 PM
Ideally what we need is someone who can play in the middle, pass a ball ten yards or so with regularity, and kick people without getting spotted doing it.

That is the best post on this thread. In a complete nutshell.

My wife just looked at my computer and asked who Marlon is playing for in that shirt.

Worrying
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:44:19 PM: Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 30, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Rumour of Carragher....

Eye of newt, tail of frog .....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:44:38 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
Jesus Christ! We are signing a player from the French 2nd division, that's another Kid and sounds like an ingredient from a Pro biotic yoghurt.

We're doom I tell you doomed!

Thats the spirit!

Precisely give the guy a chance, he's the type of player we need. He's a French under 21 international and was wanted by some decent sides.

All for giving him a chance, this is the type of player you file in the one for the future category. He's from a lower division and played 1 game for the u21's. If he comes in and makes a significant difference it will be football management genius, I'm not getting that vibe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 07:45:05 PM: We've been that starved of hope that we'd have have wanked our dicks to Spicy Pepperami even if we'd signed Francis Benali and Didier Agathe out of retirement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:45:07 PM: Assuming he joins welcome to Villa Yacouba, put some bite into our midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 30, 2013, 07:45:17 PM: He looks like Marlon Harewood's younger brother.

Feed the hare and he will score
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: l_mckay on January 30, 2013, 07:45:34 PM: Can't say I've ever heard of this sylla guy but he deserves a chance,can't be any worse than what we have got.lets hope there another 1 or 2 still to come in before the deadline
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 07:46:39 PM: Can I also say fair play to the scouts, they seem to have found someone that meets Lamberts VFM drive!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 30, 2013, 07:47:05 PM: Has the name of a pretty little blue flower and built like Ian Taylor. He will do for me. I pray to all the gods of football that if he gives away penalties it is actually for kicking somebody not the air a foot behind them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: swiftyelvis on January 30, 2013, 07:47:52 PM: Well at least he doesn't mind playing in the second division!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2013, 07:51:06 PM: Quote from: swiftyelvis on January 30, 2013, 07:47:52 PM
Well at least he doesn't mind playing in the second division!

You're not helping.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Excellent news.
Proves PL's got money to spend and if he's anything like Benteke in his impact on the team, he will be terrific.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2013, 07:53:43 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
In the file with salifou and makoun for me.

Salifou came for peanuts, Makoun was fine. Give the guy a chance.

Makoun was fine Mumbles got rid of him as he arrived. Didnt speak English apparently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 30, 2013, 07:54:17 PM: Any evidence we have signed the new French U21 player. Charles will have to look after him as he is also French player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 07:55:11 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2013, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
In the file with salifou and makoun for me.

Salifou came for peanuts, Makoun was fine. Give the guy a chance.

Makoun was fine Mumbles got rid of him as he arrived. Didnt speak English apparently.

Then they should have got on fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2013, 07:55:39 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2013, 07:53:43 PM
Makoun was fine Mumbles got rid of him as he arrived. Didnt speak English apparently.

Who, Makoun or Lambert?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 30, 2013, 07:56:56 PM: Can I be the first to call him a Sylla Sausage?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 08:01:15 PM: I hope he is the first of 2-3 coming in. A centre half, and another mid would be nice.

Would be tempted to do Adam and Jones for Bent. At least we would reshape the midfield, and Adam can create if given the chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 30, 2013, 08:01:39 PM: He looks a big bugger. He'll do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nodge on January 30, 2013, 08:02:19 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
I'd be the first to admit I've not heard of him so I don't wish to be unkind. But is anyone under the illusion a 22 yr old from the French second division can inspire this side to safety?

I doubt if some of his own family have heard of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 30, 2013, 08:04:08 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2013, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on January 30, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
In the file with salifou and makoun for me.

Salifou came for peanuts, Makoun was fine. Give the guy a chance.

Makoun was fine Mumbles got rid of him as he arrived. Didnt speak English apparently.

And didn't have a work permit to play here. But don't let the facts get in the way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 08:04:27 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Excellent news.
Proves PL's got money to spend and if he's anything like Benteke in his impact on the team, he will be terrific.

Quite agree, though steady on with the MONisms Louzie0! ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 30, 2013, 08:05:28 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
I hope he is the first of 2-3 coming in. A centre half, and another mid would be nice.

Would be tempted to do Adam and Jones for Bent. At least we would reshape the midfield, and Adam can create if given the chance.

Yep, I'd settle for that as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 08:07:58 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Excellent news.
Proves PL's got money to spend and if he's anything like Benteke in his impact on the team, he will be terrific.

He may well be, but I just can't help having reservations. Many were calling for the signing of experienced players in the summer and it could be argued that the failure to do that has landed us in this mess. I hope we aren't going to make the same mistake this time round, as we are in a position where we simply can't afford to get it wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 08:08:34 PM: Quote from: devilla on January 30, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 08:01:15 PM
I hope he is the first of 2-3 coming in. A centre half, and another mid would be nice.

Would be tempted to do Adam and Jones for Bent. At least we would reshape the midfield, and Adam can create if given the chance.

Yep, I'd settle for that as well.

Adam's not all that, and do we really need Jones? We have Benteke, Weimann, Gabby and Bowery already! I'm not sure about that hypothetical deal, but it's all about opinion isn't it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: devilla on January 30, 2013, 08:09:55 PM: Blimey, Wikipedia are quick off the mark...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla)

Nice to get one over bagpuss.

Welcome Yacouba.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 08:11:18 PM: Four years ago this was the type of signing we should have been making. Young with potential, not expensive. Is he what we need now... well it's a lot of pressure to put on a 22 year old from the second tier of French football.

Good luck!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 08:12:48 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Excellent news.
Proves PL's got money to spend and if he's anything like Benteke in his impact on the team, he will be terrific.

Quite agree, though steady on with the MONisms Louzie0! ;)

;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:12:52 PM: Before we all get too excited, has he actually signed yet? Any official confirmation?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2013, 08:14:54 PM: Jeezus, have you seen his thighs in that photo! Let him take our free kicks. Lets see how many people bully Wee Barry now
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 30, 2013, 08:15:24 PM: We have signed Lowton, Bennett, Bowery, Westwood and Stephens from lower leagues. At least Lambert is being consistent. Consistently failing too of course.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:16:02 PM: I rate Westwood.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 30, 2013, 08:17:31 PM: I also rate Westwood but the way he is going he will be burned out by easter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on January 30, 2013, 08:18:10 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
I rate Westwood.

And Lowton!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 08:19:31 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Excellent news.
Proves PL's got money to spend and if he's anything like Benteke in his impact on the team, he will be terrific.

He may well be, but I just can't help having reservations. Many were calling for the signing of experienced players in the summer and it could be argued that the failure to do that has landed us in this mess. I hope we aren't going to make the same mistake this time round, as we are in a position where we simply can't afford to get it wrong.

Frankly I'm just very pleased that we appear to have got a player others wanted (see previous page) and who looks as if he could bolster the team. There are no guarantees, as you say, but I referenced Benteke as an example of the calibre of player we could get if we scouted them and he has turned out to be a good 'un, despite his age. Hope he is in a nice hotel!

Interested now in the iron in the fire.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:20:09 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 30, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
We have signed Lowton, Bennett, Bowery, Westwood and Stephens from lower leagues. At least Lambert is being consistent. Consistently failing too of course.

Stephens?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 30, 2013, 08:20:16 PM: Quote from: LifelongToad on January 30, 2013, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
I rate Westwood.

And Lowton!

Me too just think they need a rest
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 08:20:24 PM: Westwood certainly has the potential to make it in the Premier League, whether he will after the experience he has gone through this season is difficult to say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM: Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:23:48 PM: Westwood and lowton are decent, i think bennett will come good in time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2013, 08:24:17 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 30, 2013, 08:17:31 PM
I also rate Westwood but the way he is going he will be burned out by easter.
However he has had a injury rest so physically he should be fine its the mental scars that I worry about.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:24:26 PM: :D
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.
beat you to it a couple of pages back chris - keep on the ball ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: willywombat on January 30, 2013, 08:24:34 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.

It's all come as a surprise, surprise to me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dutchvilla on January 30, 2013, 08:24:51 PM: I think the problem is less Lambert's signings, more that the experienced players (Gabby, N'Zogbia, Bent, Ireland) have not stepped up to the mark and that too much belief has been given the existing young players (Bannan, Herd, Lichaj, Clark). Bannan, Clark and Lichaj are a bigger problem for me than Westwood, Lowton or Vlaar.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 08:25:56 PM: Lambert's signed some decent young players. Westwood and Lowton both look really promising (the latter reminds me a bit of a young Mark Delaney), and Benteke (only just gone 22) is awesome. Only Bennett looks iffy but you can see he has technique from his attacking play - he just needs to learn to defend, but I've seen plenty of young full-backs over the years who have started out shite at defending and ended up turning into very handy players.

The only problem is they are all first choice players in a relegation battle, and there's nowhere to hide.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:26:57 PM: Sometimes just the fact there are new players can give everyone a lift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:27:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
:D
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.
beat you to it a couple of pages back chris - keep on the ball ;D

I thought someone might but couldn't be arsed to check.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 08:27:51 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.

I sat wondering what this meant for ages before the penny dropped.
*doh!*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on January 30, 2013, 08:28:22 PM: I'm excited now!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 08:29:12 PM: Is anybody going to do, 'step inside, love'?... what you do when the attacking player does a tricky little spin and tries to get past you.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 30, 2013, 08:29:27 PM: Quote from: willywombat on January 30, 2013, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.

It's all come as a surprise, surprise to me

More players in?

Something tells me something's gonna happen tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:29:41 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
:D
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 30, 2013, 08:22:43 PM
Anyone who had a heart would be delighted by this news.
beat you to it a couple of pages back chris - keep on the ball ;D

I thought someone might but couldn't be arsed to check.

You know how fond i am of cilla blacks greatest hits! :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 08:29:48 PM: Quote from: dutchvilla on January 30, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
I think the problem is less Lambert's signings, more that the experienced players (Gabby, N'Zogbia, Bent, Ireland) have not stepped up to the mark and that too much belief has been given the existing young players (Bannan, Herd, Lichaj, Clark). Bannan, Clark and Lichaj are a bigger problem for me than Westwood, Lowton or Vlaar.

Certainly seems to be that the younger players we are buying are better than most of those we have produced from within.

Lowton started well but does look like he has suffered shell shock recently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 08:30:01 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
I rate Westwood.
I do too. But we are not playing a passing game anymore so it is pointless playing him. He has offered nothing in recent games. I'd have Delph ahead of him at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 30, 2013, 08:30:20 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
I rate Westwood.
I do too. But we are not playing a passing game anymore so it is pointless playing him. He has offered nothing in recent games. I'd have Delph ahead of him at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on January 30, 2013, 08:31:04 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: dutchvilla on January 30, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
I think the problem is less Lambert's signings, more that the experienced players (Gabby, N'Zogbia, Bent, Ireland) have not stepped up to the mark and that too much belief has been given the existing young players (Bannan, Herd, Lichaj, Clark). Bannan, Clark and Lichaj are a bigger problem for me than Westwood, Lowton or Vlaar.

Certainly seems to be that the younger players we are buying are better than most of those we have produced from within.

Lowton started well but does look like he has suffered shell shock recently.

And played every game?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2013, 08:31:20 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Is that a hint Diame 's on his way from West Ham? ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IronDukeVillain on January 30, 2013, 08:32:29 PM: Too late! needed reinforcement prior to Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle at home. just hope we try to play a little more respectable football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 08:36:10 PM: He has some experience of relegation battles Clermont are only 2 points above the relegation zone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 30, 2013, 08:36:21 PM: Quote from: IronDukeVillain on January 30, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
Too late! needed reinforcement prior to Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle at home. just hope we try to play a little more respectable football.
We played Wigan in December!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 08:38:20 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 08:36:10 PM
He has some experience of relegation battles Clermont are only 2 points above the relegation zone.

TBF, pretty much half the table are. Their main issue seems to be lack of goals rather then conceding almost 50.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 30, 2013, 08:41:21 PM: Quote from: dutchvilla on January 30, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
I think the problem is less Lambert's signings, more that the experienced players (Gabby, N'Zogbia, Bent, Ireland) have not stepped up to the mark and that too much belief has been given the existing young players (Bannan, Herd, Lichaj, Clark). Bannan, Clark and Lichaj are a bigger problem for me than Westwood, Lowton or Vlaar.

I agree that some senior players have not delivered (Ireland, Bent) whilst others have been asked to do more than they are ready for or capable of (Bennett, Bannan, Lichaj, Stevens), but for me much of Lamberts selections / tactics / formations have been at least as much to blame for our current predicament as the players themselves. It is negligent in the extreme to continue with a 3-4-1-2 formation that the players are not capable of playing or confident in & has seen us concede goals like never before. Even if we get players in tomorrow, without the right tactics we are not going to improve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IronDukeVillain on January 30, 2013, 08:43:28 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 30, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: IronDukeVillain on January 30, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
Too late! needed reinforcement prior to Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle at home. just hope we try to play a little more respectable football.
We played Wigan in December!!!!!!
Fair point, but what i was getting at is that we all knew how light weight we were, these players should of been moving on the 1st Jan not 30/31 Jan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 30, 2013, 08:45:54 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 08:26:57 PM
Sometimes just the fact there are new players can give everyone a lift.
As far as I'm aware from the current squad, there is only the reserve quarterback Bannan that needs a lift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2013, 08:46:16 PM: Bent has been the big loser in all the changes over the last two seasons, he's not suddenly become a bad player just a player totally unsuited to the way we play now. Imagine how he would have felt when Young and Downing were sold. Good player wrong club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 08:46:59 PM: Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 30, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Vieria recommended this guy to man city, very much like Yaya Toure....ill take that

Told you he was the new Viera ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2013, 08:48:04 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 30, 2013, 08:46:16 PM
Bent has been the big loser in all the changes over the last two seasons, he's not suddenly become a bad player just a player totally unsuited to the way we play now. Imagine how he would have felt when Young and Downing were sold. Good player wrong club.

Yes. He relies on service from the wings which we do not seem to do any more. What a waste of a talent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 08:48:57 PM: Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 30, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Vieria recommended this guy to man city, very much like Yaya Toure....ill take that

Is that anywhere in public???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 08:50:24 PM: Quote from: devilla on January 30, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
Blimey, Wikipedia are quick off the mark...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacouba_Sylla)

Nice to get one over bagpuss.

Welcome Yacouba.

says he joined his current club in 2009. I didnt realise he had been with us 4 years
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2013, 08:53:35 PM: Sylla? never heard of him never seen him. I doubt Lambert has either. But, we have our first signing so it's 'hello number 1 and where do you come from'?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 08:55:32 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on January 30, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
Sylla? never heard of him never seen him. I doubt Lambert has either. But, we have our first signing so it's 'hello number 1 and where do you come from'?

Is it a Henke finding ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 08:59:18 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 30, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
Vieria recommended this guy to man city, very much like Yaya Toure....ill take that

Is that anywhere in public???

Well, it's on Twitter. I don't know if that counts.
Not in The Press so far.

https://twitter.com/BPLTransferNew1

here it is ( sorry my internet is playing up this evening so I hope this will show.)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:01:39 PM: Apparently he was recommended by 'our Graham!'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: IronDukeVillain on January 30, 2013, 09:05:32 PM: i hope he is a surprise surprise!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:06:14 PM: Is that why it took so long, we were waiting for a quick reminder?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 30, 2013, 09:06:49 PM: He is gonna have a lorra lorra lafs watching our defending.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM: Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 09:08:39 PM: Quote from: dutchvilla on January 30, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
I think the problem is less Lambert's signings, more that the experienced players (Gabby, N'Zogbia, Bent, Ireland) have not stepped up to the mark and that too much belief has been given the existing young players (Bannan, Herd, Lichaj, Clark). Bannan, Clark and Lichaj are a bigger problem for me than Westwood, Lowton or Vlaar.

It's too easy to get on the backs of the likes of Bannan, Herd and Lichaj. They've hardly been used in their natural positions and haven't been found wanting in commitment, nor have they had the support from senior players that they could and should have expected, for various reasons. Clark I do worry about though. It's all about opinion at the end of the day!

I still want to see Carruthers get a run. I think there's a cracking player there! Again, IMHO.

As for our new boy, FFS give him a chance guys!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:09:57 PM: He's gonna get sent off first match.

When he unexpectedly hits someone between the eyes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2013, 09:12:07 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
He's gonna get sent off first match.

When he unexpectedly hits someone between the eyes.

Oh dear...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 09:12:27 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
He's gonna get sent off first match.

When he unexpectedly hits someone between the eyes.

Yes, he's a mucky kid, dirty as a dustbin lid! ;)

Apparently the name is pronounced See-ya, hope he's saying that to the oppo as he goes past them!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 09:13:01 PM: I don't get all these Sylla jokes. What's it all about?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: James on January 30, 2013, 09:14:01 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 09:13:01 PM
I don't get all these Sylla jokes. What's it all about?

Just a bit of Black humour!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:14:06 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Work permit issues were mentioned before with this one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2013, 09:16:02 PM: The 2 lads mentioned today are not exactly the experienced old pros we probably need, but bodies in are better than nobody in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 09:17:29 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2240040/Aston-Villa-Abdoulaye-Ba-offer-rejected.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 30, 2013, 09:19:05 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on January 30, 2013, 09:13:01 PM
I don't get all these Sylla jokes. What's it all about?

Just a bit of Black humour!

Is is just for the moment we live?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM: 6"6

Yes pleaase
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2013, 09:21:03 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

not as tall as Sylla , hes 33 ft on wiki
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:21:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

Is he 100 tons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:11 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

Is he 100 tons.

And the Master Butcher of Leigh-On Sea
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 09:23:25 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

They're like sheep on there though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:45 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

They're like sheep on there though.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:26:28 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

Is he 100 tons.

And the Master Butcher of Leigh-On Sea

That's my ear worm for the night now.

Joking aside its great for things to really start moving, lets hope there's some quality coming in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 09:29:18 PM: If we get Ba in after Sylla, will our next acquisitions surname be Steward?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:29:40 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.

He's booked the day off!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:29:48 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.

Oh that , no i might have a look at about 10-55pm !
Then again....... :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:31:17 PM: ;)
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.

He's booked the day off!!

Torn cartilage, little else i can do really , may have a glimpse at it if nothing much on tv ;)
Wont watch for long though just 8am till midnight .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 30, 2013, 09:35:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.

Oh that , no i might have a look at about 10-55pm !
Then again....... :)
You will be on site all day, you transfer tart you ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 30, 2013, 09:35:49 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

Is he 100 tons.

And the Master Butcher of Leigh-On Sea

Moving up on second base behind Nicholas Van Whats His Face.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:36:44 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 30, 2013, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

Woo-hoo thanks mr woo!

Are you going to spontaneously combust tomorrow eastie?

Tomorrow ozz, whats happening tomorrow? No games are there?

You might have noticed that it is the last day of the transfer window.

Oh that , no i might have a look at about 10-55pm !
Then again....... :)
You will be on site all day, you transfer tart you ;D

Shush :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exigo on January 30, 2013, 09:37:17 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
If we get Ba in after Sylla, will our next acquisitions surname be Steward?

"Lack" surely? Just for the headlines of Sylla, Ba, Lack.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM: Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:38:09 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards

Is that an offer lou?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 30, 2013, 09:38:18 PM: This thread has, quite rightly, become very busy. Has anyone mentioned Savage's suggestion that Villa sign Carragher? Hate Robbie, but for the rest of this season, Carragher would be ideal - on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ian. on January 30, 2013, 09:39:02 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards
Your fault was it? How did you do that to poor Eastie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:40:05 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards

Is that an offer lou?

Well...I have some very nice soup
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2013, 09:40:35 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

West Ham tried to sign him in the summer but couldn't get the necessary work visa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:41:20 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 30, 2013, 09:38:18 PM
This thread has, quite rightly, become very busy. Has anyone mentioned Savage's suggestion that Villa sign Carragher? Hate Robbie, but for the rest of this season, Carragher would be ideal - on and off the pitch.

Wasn't that cascarino's suggestion. Not sure he's got the legs anymore, certainly has the brain.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Holtemeister on January 30, 2013, 09:41:43 PM: Just undertook a detailed Scouting Mission on the Ba fella via Youtube ....big lad strong in the air...Physical on the ball and a blocker.

Little in the way of distribUtion in fact he makes Peter Kay look cultured

Could become a bit of a cult CULT hero or be a big old donkey
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:41:54 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards

Is that an offer lou?

Well...I have some very nice soup

Thatll do nicely , will you pour it for me in case i miss any transfer action?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:42:49 PM: Ba would be a good strong signing - any fee mentioned? 6ft 6 so he will make a good jumper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 30, 2013, 09:43:13 PM: Just in from a meeting to see we've signed someone! And a defensive midfielder, too! Hope we go after that other lad, Charybdis!

Has that one been done yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 30, 2013, 09:44:36 PM: Quote from: exigo on January 30, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
If we get Ba in after Sylla, will our next acquisitions surname be Steward?

"Lack" surely? Just for the headlines of Sylla, Ba, Lack.
Nice ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 09:44:39 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on January 30, 2013, 09:38:18 PM
This thread has, quite rightly, become very busy. Has anyone mentioned Savage's suggestion that Villa sign Carragher? Hate Robbie, but for the rest of this season, Carragher would be ideal - on and off the pitch.

Wasn't that cascarino's suggestion. Not sure he's got the legs anymore, certainly has the brain.

Not sure his heart is in it. Wasn't he on ITV last summer trying out for a pundit role? Can see him retiring the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:45:39 PM: Yes.
2 mythical monsters in midfield. Dream.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 30, 2013, 09:46:51 PM: Thrilled if signing anyone at all, but Sylla and Ba are what used to be termed 'ones for the future', aren't they? Not the saviours of a relegation favourite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM: I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:50:27 PM: 24 hours yet stu- fingers crossed!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 30, 2013, 09:51:09 PM: We should all give thanks to Randy for providing the significant funds :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 30, 2013, 09:51:38 PM: C'mon Villa , sign more, lots more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:51:50 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry about your torn cartilege.
Lots of soup and lying down with the leg up seems to be the way to go!
Regards

Is that an offer lou?

Well...I have some very nice soup

Thatll do nicely , will you pour it for me in case i miss any transfer action?

of course, Eastie.
oops. Sorry. Just following.
AAArgh! we've just signed somebody! OOOOh! nAAArgh! etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 30, 2013, 09:54:05 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on January 30, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
6"6

Yes pleaase

Is he 100 tons.

And the Master Butcher of Leigh-On Sea

Moving up on second base behind Nicholas Van Whats His Face.
Just about to take the stage, the one and only hold the front page...... Randy's got something to sell to the Capital's homeless ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 30, 2013, 09:54:37 PM: 'And you go again'. Jamie Carragher. Sky 21.52. He must be signing for us. -;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...

to use other's quotes he really can't do any worse
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:01:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...

I guess we'll find out pretty quickly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2013, 10:02:07 PM: Quote from: Legion on January 30, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549776_414498125291785_601290062_n.jpg)

A much needed unit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 30, 2013, 10:03:04 PM: His head is bigger than Bannan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 30, 2013, 10:06:17 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 30, 2013, 09:46:51 PM
Thrilled if signing anyone at all, but Sylla and Ba are what used to be termed 'ones for the future', aren't they? Not the saviours of a relegation favourite.

Yeah my fear aswell.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 10:06:36 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

They're like sheep on there though.

I know Dave, they're all bloody nuts tbh. There's probably nowt in it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2013, 10:08:27 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well that depends on who he is playing for as he will easily dominate our midfield in any other team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:12:01 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 30, 2013, 10:08:27 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well that depends on who he is playing for as he will easily dominate our midfield in any other team.

Well aye. I was just hoping for someone, you know, experienced... I hope lambchop knows what he's doing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:12:02 PM: Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

They're like sheep on there though.

I know Dave, they're all bloody nuts tbh. There's probably nowt in it.

Like sheep- ba, you missed the pun mr woo!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 10:13:48 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on January 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...

to use other's quotes he really can't do any worse

I don't want to prejudge him
I think he is brill - like benteke - I say go Sylla
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:13:49 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 30, 2013, 10:08:27 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well that depends on who he is playing for as he will easily dominate our midfield in any other team.

Well aye. I was just hoping for someone, you know, experienced... I hope lambchop knows what he's doing

Lets hope tomorrow lambchop has you lickin your lips in anticipation gnasher.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM: What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Bit early to say that , 25 hours to go.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on January 30, 2013, 10:15:26 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

They're like sheep on there though.

I know Dave, they're all bloody nuts tbh. There's probably nowt in it.

Like sheep- ba, you missed the pun mr woo!

Yep, probably nowt in it. Dont let them pull the wool over your eyes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:15:52 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 30, 2013, 10:08:27 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well that depends on who he is playing for as he will easily dominate our midfield in any other team.

Well aye. I was just hoping for someone, you know, experienced... I hope lambchop knows what he's doing

I don't think he does to be honest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 10:18:31 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on January 30, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
Thatll do nicely , will you pour it for me in case i miss any transfer action?

of course, Eastie.
oops. Sorry. Just following.
AAArgh! we've just signed somebody! OOOOh! nAAArgh! etc.

For some reason then I had this scene in mind then. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXGzO2aDDRU#t=2m00s) Well it was better then the other scenes it might have been. Obviously this is before Louzie0 has put her face on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 10:19:58 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Yes, it isn't the best news, but will you at least give the player 10 mins to see.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: achilles on January 30, 2013, 10:22:51 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on January 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...

to use other's quotes he really can't do any worse

Talk about clutching at straws!
It really isn't fair on the kid, the French 2nd division and the Premier league are like chalk and cheese. Established internationals find it hard to adjust, let alone an u21 international (i.e. 1 cap). I was going to say he probably can't talk English but that may be a blessing at least he may do what comes naturally rather than take instructions from Lambchop!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 30, 2013, 10:23:10 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Yes, it isn't the best news, but will you at least give the player 10 mins to see.

Just like he gave us an unknown 21 yr old Belgian from the lower leagues ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:25:53 PM: Quote from: achilles on January 30, 2013, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 30, 2013, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
I'm glad we've signed someone, a DM at that as well, yet I was hoping we'd go for experience in order to have a bloody good go at getting out of this mess we're in. I don't think this kind of signing is what we need right now, it represents too much of a gamble IMO, and we can't afford to do that. I'm pretty pissed off that the club are willing to dice with our Premier League status anyway.

yep a 22 year old from the french 2nd division doesn't sound like the guy who's gonna dominate our midfield

Well greg compared to bannan and Ireland you never know...

to use other's quotes he really can't do any worse

Talk about clutching at straws!
It really isn't fair on the kid, the French 2nd division and the Premier league are like chalk and cheese. Established internationals find it hard to adjust, let alone an u21 international (i.e. 1 cap). I was going to say he probably can't talk English but that may be a blessing at least he may do what comes naturally rather than take instructions from Lambchop!

True but the prospect of him rather than barry bannan is reason to celebrate alone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM: The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2013, 10:30:23 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

Indeed. He's the right type of player we need, so give the man a chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:30:56 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

True, and hopefully Lambert has learned that by now after watching his mostly useless signings getting taken to the cleaners in every game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2013, 10:33:16 PM: Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 30, 2013, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Yes, it isn't the best news, but will you at least give the player 10 mins to see.

Just like he gave us an unknown 21 yr old Belgian from the lower leagues ?

Don't forget, though, *all* of Lambert's signings are crap.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2013, 10:36:32 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2013, 10:36:39 PM: Quote from: James on January 30, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Pat Murphy said we've paid £2m for Sylla, who's a six-foot, very physical DCM, and that there's at least one other "iron in the fire." Let's hope so, but it's good news at last!

Thinking of the 'Bent to Stoke' talk, I would hope that in the event that the deal brings one of theirs to VP it's N'Zonzi we're asking for and not Charlie effing Adam!

At least Adam can take corners.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:38:03 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

True, and hopefully Lambert has learned that by now after watching his mostly useless signings getting taken to the cleaners in every game.
''

Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood, Lowton and Benteke = most?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:42:09 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Bit early to say that , 25 hours to go.

Christ I hope he's got something up his sleeve or we're in the championship next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 10:43:23 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Bit early to say that , 25 hours to go.

Christ I hope he's got something up his sleeve or we're in the championship next season.

We get it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:43:33 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

True, and hopefully Lambert has learned that by now after watching his mostly useless signings getting taken to the cleaners in every game.
''

Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood, Lowton and Benteke = most?

Are you counting Guzan as one of his? He was only out of contract, it's not as if Lambert had to do much in order to land him.

Out of the others, I'd only say Benteke was a good signing. We're not in the doldrums for no reason.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2013, 10:43:40 PM: Apparently we're trying to get Rolando from grange hill, whoops sorry from Porto on loan. According to nursey
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:44:09 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Bit early to say that , 25 hours to go.

Christ I hope he's got something up his sleeve or we're in the championship next season.

I will agree with you in 25 hrs if he hasnt but benteke and westwood and bowery cane last deadline day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:44:44 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 30, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 30, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
What are we crying out for - proven Premier League standard players to get us out of this god awful mess. What has Lambert given us - an unknown French youngster from the lower leagues.
It's like a bad fuckin dream.

Bit early to say that , 25 hours to go.

Christ I hope he's got something up his sleeve or we're in the championship next season.

We get it.

Took you a while though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:45:26 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

True, and hopefully Lambert has learned that by now after watching his mostly useless signings getting taken to the cleaners in every game.
''

Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood, Lowton and Benteke = most?

Are you counting Guzan as one of his? He was only out of contract, it's not as if Lambert had to do much in order to land him.

Out of the others, I'd only say Benteke was a good signing. We're not in the doldrums for no reason.

He still had to sign Guzan, and at a time when there was scarcely a clamour for his signature. We're where we are because of the players who were already here, not the new ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM: We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2013, 10:47:49 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 30, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
Apparently we're trying to get Rolando from grange hill, whoops sorry from Porto on loan. According to nursey

Napoli and QPR also in for him.

I'd say the chances there are slim to none.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:49:21 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
The Premier League ain't La Liga. The first quality you need to survive is physical strength and endurance, so if the new lad has enough of that he should be OK.

True, and hopefully Lambert has learned that by now after watching his mostly useless signings getting taken to the cleaners in every game.
''

Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood, Lowton and Benteke = most?

Are you counting Guzan as one of his? He was only out of contract, it's not as if Lambert had to do much in order to land him.

Out of the others, I'd only say Benteke was a good signing. We're not in the doldrums for no reason.

He still had to sign Guzan, and at a time when there was scarcely a clamour for his signature. We're where we are because of the players who were already here, not the new ones.

heh. I know hutton and warnock are shit but blaming them when they haven't played is a bit harsh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:51:00 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

Footballer supporters defending their team. How terrible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM: It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:54:12 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

Footballer supporters defending their team. How terrible.

Defending them from what, a bit of reality?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:55:37 PM: He should have done better with what's at his disposal, not a huge amount better but not 2nd bottom.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:55:39 PM: Your version of reality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM: I'd say all Lambhchop's signings have had very poor games. Only ones in credit overall for me are westwood and Benteke and if we're being very pedantic Guzan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:56:17 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

Footballer supporters defending their team. How terrible.

Defending them from what, a bit of reality?

I defend the team I support from unfair criticism. What do you do?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:56:24 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
He should have done better with what's at his disposal, not a huge amount better but not 2nd bottom.

That I agree with. He is though, IMO, the unluckiest manager I have ever witnessed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 10:56:43 PM: I'm hedging my bets, I've just started booing him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on January 30, 2013, 10:56:53 PM: SH, it would be interesting to know whether you had this opinion about Lambert and the team after the defeat by Man u and after the 6 game unbeaten run. Sometimes it does you good to look at the positives.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:59:10 PM: Quote from: damon green on January 30, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
I'm hedging my bets, I've just started booing him

heh. That's going to make you unpopular what with the standing ovation they get after every loss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:01:02 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

I do get you want the best from the team all the time, and you never moan when things are going well :-\, but the fact is there are some signs of good players in some of the one's who have been bought.

If all players from lower leagues are shit, I'm guessing you never rated Delaney, Teale, Platt or Yorke. And you think the QPR team pre Harry was the bees knees. After all, they bought in loads of players with Prem Experience in the summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM: I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: RussellC on January 30, 2013, 11:02:45 PM: I find it incredible that people don't rate Lowton as a good signing. I can see him being our right-back for the next 7/8 seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 30, 2013, 11:02:53 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on January 30, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
I'm hedging my bets, I've just started booing him

heh. That's going to make you unpopular what with the standing ovation they get after every loss.

I'm booing *and* applauding at the same time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:04:46 PM: Solid. Unspectacular. Ordinary. Nowt wrong with that but I doubt they'll be much of a clamour for his signiture.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.

I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:06:14 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
I'd say all Lambhchop's signings have had very poor games. Only ones in credit overall for me are westwood and Benteke and if we're being very pedantic Guzan

You do have to credit Guzan re-signing as Lambert. If we still had TSM he was gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on January 30, 2013, 11:08:28 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Well he has. You do realise that our wage restraints made it impossible to bring in any proven Premier League players and we had to shop around lower leagues and abroad? Considering the budget and wage bill he's working with, to pick up players like Guzan, Vlaar, Westwood, Lowton and possibly Bennett for lower wages than the players here previously and with only about £18m, he's bought well. It's just players like Clark, Bannan, Ireland, N'Zog, Gabby, Bent, Hutton, Delph and Warnock that have completely failed to impress this season and the reason why we're in the state we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:08:29 PM: Bad luck or made piss poor decisions?

Houllier's + Petrovs illness were bad luck though one predictible, what else was down to pure bad luck?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:09:14 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

Footballer supporters defending their team. How terrible.

Defending them from what, a bit of reality?

I defend the team I support from unfair criticism. What do you do?

As far as I can see you've been defending the club left right and centre whatever the criticism has been this season. It's only lately you've started to sound a little worried.
To answer your question though, I criticise the club when I feel they deserve it. I said from day one we were in trouble while many were still dancing with delight at Lambert's "young and hungry" signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:09:46 PM: Bit of monster the new lad. Could become a God-sylla.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:10:29 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
Bad luck or made piss poor decisions?

Houllier's + Petrovs illness were bad luck though one predictible, what else was down to pure bad luck?

Three years of injuries for a start. That's not normal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:10:38 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.

I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.

Whilst Lambert has blame for team setup, an obviously example of unlucky was Tuesday. Nzog hits the bar where Cabaye scores. Might have been a totally different game at that point. Another was Southampton, they get a given a Pen for a player diving with no contact.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:11:17 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
I'd say all Lambhchop's signings have had very poor games. Only ones in credit overall for me are westwood and Benteke and if we're being very pedantic Guzan

You do have to credit Guzan re-signing as Lambert. If we still had TSM he was gone.

Fair enough. I guess no-one on here was demanding his retention although myself and others thought he'd had a raw deal from TSM
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:11:32 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.

I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.

If you continue to sell your best players and replace them with inferior ones, how does bad luck come into it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:12:14 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
We are 2nd bottom and can't buy a win, its difficult to defend against those who criticize the team Lamberts bought.

But boy do they try!

Footballer supporters defending their team. How terrible.

Defending them from what, a bit of reality?

I defend the team I support from unfair criticism. What do you do?

As far as I can see you've been defending the club left right and centre whatever the criticism has been this season. It's only lately you've started to sound a little worried.
To answer your question though, I criticise the club when I feel they deserve it. I said from day one we were in trouble while many were still dancing with delight at Lambert's "young and hungry" signings.

God forbid anyone should try to see the good in the team they support. God forbid they should point out that the problem isn't the new signings but the old ones.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on January 30, 2013, 11:12:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Nail on my head.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:12:36 PM: We all lauded the new BH training facility as being responsible for the lack of injuries during MONs reign, maybe it was down to doing little of 'good luck'?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:13:41 PM: At West Brom Delph is running the midfield and gets injured, and then can't track Brunt for the first goal, putting us under imense pressure

Dunne meant to be out 6 weeks, not played all season

Vlaar has a calf injured scheduled for 2-3 weeks and is out 3 months

Holman smacks the bar at 1-0 against Wigan. Goes in its a different game.

Every time there is a rub of the green moment, it goes against Lambert IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:13:45 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
Bad luck or made piss poor decisions?

Houllier's + Petrovs illness were bad luck though one predictible, what else was down to pure bad luck?

Petrov for me was the most important player at the club. Not bothering to replace him has nothing to do with bad luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:14:52 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
We all lauded the new BH training facility as being responsible for the lack of injuries during MONs reign, maybe it was down to doing little of 'good luck'?

He was remarkably lucky with injuries, the last 3 years was more normal in fact bar Petrov. I always put it down to none of them training enough to get injured under MON,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:15:07 PM: We've had shitty luck this season. No doubt about it.
That isn't the same as blaming all our woes on bad luck though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:15:34 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.

I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.

If you continue to sell your best players and replace them with inferior ones, how does bad luck come into it?

Newcastle sold several of their best players and got in unknowns, and they all hit the floor running and put them 7th last season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2013, 11:15:34 PM: Quote from: RussellC on January 30, 2013, 11:02:45 PM
I find it incredible that people don't rate Lowton as a good signing. I can see him being our right-back for the next 7/8 seasons.

Me too. He puts me in mind of Mark Delaney. He's pretty unflappable and he gets his head down and works hard. I think he's been one of our better performers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:15:43 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.
I'm struggling to think of a club that's made as many terrible decisions as we have over the past three seasons. That's much more significant.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:16:09 PM: Rumours from some suggest an Anglo Indian concertium in to buy Villa. JLR?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2013, 11:16:28 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:14:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
We all lauded the new BH training facility as being responsible for the lack of injuries during MONs reign, maybe it was down to doing little of 'good luck'?

He was remarkably lucky with injuries, the last 3 years was more normal in fact bar Petrov. I always put it down to none of them training enough to get injured under MON,

Agreed. Hard to get too injured while on the piss and jogging once a day.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM: TATA?

Rumours from where?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:18:02 PM: Petrov was due replacing at the time he fell ill.

Yes, we've not had things go our way but we've not made sufficient attacking effort to even things up.

There are more obvious targets for our ire than lady luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:18:03 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:13:45 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
Bad luck or made piss poor decisions?

Houllier's + Petrovs illness were bad luck though one predictible, what else was down to pure bad luck?

Petrov for me was the most important player at the club. Not bothering to replace him has nothing to do with bad luck.

He tried to replace him, unfortunately KEA hasn't yet come good yet, (if he will).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 11:18:05 PM: I don't want to criticise the team or the club, or the manager for that matter - and I don't moan that much (!) about the team even when they're crap; I'd rather just try and support them as best I can.

However, this last month has made me question Lambert's ability in all spheres as a manager. He hasn't bought well in the main, Benteke aside, can't organise the defence, the midfield doesn't exist, and we don't score enough goals to offset the 2 we let in every game.

He doesn't appear to be able to lift the players or motivate them; for a long time now the team loses it's concentration and confidence if a goal is scored against them, the team is like jekyll and hide when it comes to the two halves, and there's no consistency, aside from being very easy to beat.

There have been some encouraging results; obviously Manchester City and Liverpool away are highlights. Yet we also have had to face an 8-0 drubbing by Chelsea, 4-0 at home against Spurs, 3-0 at home against Wigan, and finally getting knocked out of the cups by lower division sides. If he can't motivate the players into playing for Wembley then I don't think he's up to the task as Villa manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 11:18:12 PM: We were extremely lucky to stay up last season I know that much. God, we are shite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM: Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:21:48 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.

yep. I know a lot of villa fans disliked him a lot but you could see what he was trying to do long term
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM: But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:26:55 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.

yep. I know a lot of villa fans disliked him a lot but you could see what he was trying to do long term

I was a big fan. I think we would be a very good side now if he were here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:27:19 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.

Is this the history of one heart op at Liverpool in 2001 after which he continued managing for the next 6 years with no ill effects, and then a sign off from his Doctor before he took the job? That history?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:28:20 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.

If you insisted on your every arrival having a perfect health record I plead the McGrath Defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 30, 2013, 11:30:53 PM: Quote from: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 11:18:12 PM
We were extremely lucky to stay up last season I know that much. God, we are shite.

We were lucky we had Blackburn and Wigan right at the start of the season.
Think we only won another two at home after that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:31:21 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.

yep. I know a lot of villa fans disliked him a lot but you could see what he was trying to do long term

I was a big fan. I think we would be a very good side now if he were here.

I would admit that he lost me as manager but I wouldn't have been adverse with him moving upstairs as DOF or something to enable his scouting network and football experience to be kept. But if I had known then what we know now, I would have been begging him to stay.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2013, 11:31:29 PM: There's also the Ba defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 11:32:33 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Spot on. It seems to me that when people trot out figures like £20m they think we should have a side comfortably in the top half. Yet that amount spent on several players really isn't a substantial amount, and when you consider we were in need of several first choice players let alone a few to beef out the squad that amount looks even more well spent. One of the most annoying things to hear at the moment is so called well informed pundits on tv/radio coming out with how much we spent in the summer without any regard for who was bought and how many players were needed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2013, 11:33:08 PM: Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.

The average life expectancy after the heavy duty surgery he underwent in 2001 is 10 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:33:33 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.

maybe, but inheriting such a team of cocks didn't help. i've often wondered if the likes of Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Ireland etc feel a slight twinge of guilt that they may have contributed to his health problems. Probably not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:36:01 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.

If you insisted on your every arrival having a perfect health record I plead the McGrath Defence.
Indeed, but you can't blame bad luck if a man with a history of heart trouble falls ill with heart trouble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:39:44 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
But Houllier getting ill was hardly bad luck, he'd a history of ill health.

If you insisted on your every arrival having a perfect health record I plead the McGrath Defence.
Indeed, but you can't blame bad luck if a man with a history of heart trouble falls ill with heart trouble.

You can't necessarily, but at the same time you can't steer clear of everyone with less than perfect health. Martin Laursen came to us with a dodgy track record of injuries and there were rumours of his medical being a bit less than thorough but nobody would say we shouldn't have signed him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:40:34 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Now that would be beautiful.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 30, 2013, 11:45:05 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Now that would be beautiful.

Too good to be true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:47:26 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
You can't necessarily, but at the same time you can't steer clear of everyone with less than perfect health. Martin Laursen came to us with a dodgy track record of injuries and there were rumours of his medical being a bit less than thorough but nobody would say we shouldn't have signed him.
If Houllier had just come off the back of winning three trophies in a season then I'd have said fine, gamble away. But he hadn't had a good season in English football for 10 years. He hadn't had a season in club football of any sort for 3 years.

It was always a risky appointment because of his health but because he'd been away for so long it was taking a huge risk on someone who might not still have what it took anyway. And as it turned out, his heart problems came back, we had to appoint another manager and it's been downhill ever since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:47:40 PM: Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Now that would be beautiful.

Too good to be true.

I don't care. I'm believing it already!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2013, 11:48:40 PM: They'll be off like a shot when we say TATA to the Prem
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:49:23 PM: They'd have to be mental to pay Lerner what he's put in, or Lerner would have to be mental to cut his losses. Don't make sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: spk on January 30, 2013, 11:49:39 PM: Yes TATA are in talks with aston about a take over,thats fact,ASTON MARTIN !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 11:50:00 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Houllier getting ill was awful luck. For me he was on the verge of making us better, getting rid of some of the wasters and lining up quality Cabaye etc. We could have been a very different side if that hadn't happened.

yep. I know a lot of villa fans disliked him a lot but you could see what he was trying to do long term

I was a big fan. I think we would be a very good side now if he were here.

I would admit that he lost me as manager but I wouldn't have been adverse with him moving upstairs as DOF or something to enable his scouting network and football experience to be kept. But if I had known then what we know now, I would have been begging him to stay.

In hindsight (I have to say that I wanted him gone at the time), allowing him to stay in a DoF role would have probably been best for the club. He certainly would have got rid of some of the wasters who are still lingering around and if rumours are to be believed, he also had some decent talent lined up to bring in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 30, 2013, 11:50:25 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Can't see them having the remotest interest in being a sponsor to a football club. Least of all one that may be in the Championship next season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:51:00 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:39:44 PM
You can't necessarily, but at the same time you can't steer clear of everyone with less than perfect health. Martin Laursen came to us with a dodgy track record of injuries and there were rumours of his medical being a bit less than thorough but nobody would say we shouldn't have signed him.
If Houllier had just come off the back of winning three trophies in a season then I'd have said fine, gamble away. But he hadn't had a good season in English football for 10 years. He hadn't had a season in club football of any sort for 3 years.

It was always a risky appointment because of his health but because he'd been away for so long it was taking a huge risk on someone who might not still have what it took anyway. And as it turned out, his heart problems came back, we had to appoint another manager and it's been downhill ever since.

You could equally argue that having had time off might have made him a better proposition, but it's all history now. Sadly it didn't work out, which was a pity as there were times when his team looked like they were going to work.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:53:05 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
You could equally argue that having had time off might have made him a better proposition, but it's all history now. Sadly it didn't work out, which was a pity as there were times when his team looked like they were going to work.
I think history tends to show that that amount of time away from the game doesn't increase your skills. Dalgleish was a horror show back at Liverpool, for instance. But as you say, there were times when we looked quite promising. In retrospect I think appointing him as DoF rather than manager would have been the smartest move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2013, 11:53:23 PM: Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

TATA linked in a season where we face relegaton? That's got to be someone on a wind up hasn't it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 30, 2013, 11:53:32 PM: You can't necessarily, but at the same time you can't steer clear of everyone with less than perfect health. Martin Laursen came to us with a dodgy track record of injuries and there were rumours of his medical being a bit less than thorough but nobody would say we shouldn't have signed him.
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Hardly the same thing though. We had at least 2 seasons when Laursen barely played for us. You can't exactly do that with a manager can you?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 30, 2013, 11:55:45 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
You could equally argue that having had time off might have made him a better proposition, but it's all history now. Sadly it didn't work out, which was a pity as there were times when his team looked like they were going to work.
I think history tends to show that that amount of time away from the game doesn't increase your skills. Dalgleish was a horror show back at Liverpool, for instance. But as you say, there were times when we looked quite promising. In retrospect I think appointing him as DoF rather than manager would have been the smartest move.

Two cup finals? I'd take that horror show!
The money that was spent was ridiculous, but wasn't that Commoli's job?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 30, 2013, 11:56:15 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on January 30, 2013, 11:53:32 PM

You can't necessarily, but at the same time you can't steer clear of everyone with less than perfect health. Martin Laursen came to us with a dodgy track record of injuries and there were rumours of his medical being a bit less than thorough but nobody would say we shouldn't have signed him.

Hardly the same thing though. We had at least 2 seasons when Laursen barely played for us. You can't exactly do that with a manager can you?
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Dunno. we've managed 1 and a half seasons of looking like we have no manager
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:58:33 PM: If you listen to the Liverpool fans it was Comolli's fault all the time that Dalgleish was still there. After he left, they changed their tune. In any event, both lost their jobs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
You could equally argue that having had time off might have made him a better proposition, but it's all history now. Sadly it didn't work out, which was a pity as there were times when his team looked like they were going to work.
I think history tends to show that that amount of time away from the game doesn't increase your skills. Dalgleish was a horror show back at Liverpool, for instance. But as you say, there were times when we looked quite promising. In retrospect I think appointing him as DoF rather than manager would have been the smartest move.

As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 12:04:14 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 30, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
You could equally argue that having had time off might have made him a better proposition, but it's all history now. Sadly it didn't work out, which was a pity as there were times when his team looked like they were going to work.
I think history tends to show that that amount of time away from the game doesn't increase your skills. Dalgleish was a horror show back at Liverpool, for instance. But as you say, there were times when we looked quite promising. In retrospect I think appointing him as DoF rather than manager would have been the smartest move.

As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.

Just thinking back Dave, didn't he bring in the fitness coach who had a row with a number of the French players at a major tournament?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:06:52 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

Please don't ask me. An entire monastery of Tibetan monks could ponder the question for a century without getting close.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:08:45 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Please don't ask me. An entire monastery of Tibetan monks could ponder the question for a century without getting close.
Have you ever put it to them? (The club I mean, not the monks)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TonyD on January 31, 2013, 12:11:12 AM: Quote from: john2710 on January 30, 2013, 11:50:25 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Can't see them having the remotest interest in being a sponsor to a football club. Least of all one that may be in the Championship next season.
Why? I can see it as a potentially a clever move for India. Getting behind a great club with history and the history with making the JLR cars. Makes sense to me. We live in hope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 12:12:14 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

That was the point at which our fortunes turned significantly for the worse.

Not just because they inflicted McLeish on us, but because it meant us walking away from the progress we'd started to show at the end of the Houllier season.

If they'd got that appointment even slightly less wrong, lots of things would be much better now. Attendances for one. I'd love to know how many ST holders we lost that season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:14:28 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Please don't ask me. An entire monastery of Tibetan monks could ponder the question for a century without getting close.
Have you ever put it to them? (The club I mean, not the monks)

Oh yes. Without a proper answer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 12:17:10 AM: Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
Rumours from some suggest an Anglo Indian concertium in to buy Villa. JLR?
Absolutely no chance. Won't happen in a million years. Think of someone else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 12:18:13 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:14:28 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Please don't ask me. An entire monastery of Tibetan monks could ponder the question for a century without getting close.
Have you ever put it to them? (The club I mean, not the monks)

Oh yes. Without a proper answer.

I put it down to smoking crack.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 01:37:31 AM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

When Martinez wasn't for swaying again they must have hit the panic button. Still, unacceptable really.
The biggest mistake in the last three years of bad ones and bad luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 05:09:59 AM: Problem with new managers is they bring their mates with them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 07:03:19 AM: HAPPY EASTIE DAY EVERYBODY!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:15:52 AM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 07:03:19 AM
HAPPY EASTIE DAY EVERYBODY!

and a happy eastie day to you too ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 07:21:05 AM: Is there a cake? if so can i we not have chocolate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 07:47:55 AM: Good to see us finally get a player! Concerned where his from but it's a body and he does look strong! One criticism why two days before the end of the window! Is he someone we could not have got in at the start of jan! I suggest he is not first second or even third choice??

Any thoughts
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 07:52:32 AM: Happy Eastie to you all!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: picicata on January 31, 2013, 07:58:30 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 07:21:05 AM
Is there a cake? if so can i we not have chocolate.

The cake is a lie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:09:30 AM: Morning all- lets hope we are all feeling good by 11 pm tonight!

Louzie is in the soup kitchen and the cake is here - all we need now are 3 quality signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on January 31, 2013, 08:13:28 AM: Morning all, here we go, Yacouba Sylla anyone??

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Aston Villa are in talks to sign Clermont Foot defensive midfielder Yacouba Sylla for around £2m.

If the deal goes through, the 22-year-old will be Villa boss Paul Lambert's first signing of the transfer window.

Defeat by Newcastle on Tuesday saw Villa drop into the Premier League's bottom three.

From Beeb coverage...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Morten on January 31, 2013, 08:14:49 AM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Spot on. It seems to me that when people trot out figures like £20m they think we should have a side comfortably in the top half. Yet that amount spent on several players really isn't a substantial amount, and when you consider we were in need of several first choice players let alone a few to beef out the squad that amount looks even more well spent. One of the most annoying things to hear at the moment is so called well informed pundits on tv/radio coming out with how much we spent in the summer without any regard for who was bought and how many players were needed.

Agree. The signings made in the summer are nearly all good value. Vlaar cost under 3 million pounds. Now QPR have bought Samba for about 12 million pound and apparently he is going to be on 100,000 pounds a week, that is madness. Benteke was also a good buy, he is worth a lot more now. He has missed a few, but in fact he has already scored 12 goals this season. Having him instead of Heskey is massive improvement. Lowton and Westwood are also good value. The problem this season is that we have relied too much on the inexperienced players. Lowton, for example, could need a rest, but we have no one to replace him. A lot of the players Lambert inherited have been poor: Lichaj, Clark, Bannan, Ireland, Herd, Albrighton, Bent, Delph (who has improved a bit) and also Agbonlahor, he can do much better. Buying young talent is good, but we have lacked leaders, something that should have been adressed long time ago. Clark has potential, but the fact that he has been captain this season, because there were no other alternatives, says a lot.

While I do not blame Lambert for his signings, I blame him for his tactics. The lack of midfield against Newcastle was just the latest example, there have been many. Bradford second half... What I liked about Lambert when he came was that there was a belief that we would not surrender difficult games like last season (Tottenham away, Arsenal away etc.). He had a winning mentality, right now he looks as if he does not believe in us himself. I want him to guide the young players more during games, they need it.

But the most frustrating is the lack of communication from Lerner and Faulkner. What is their vision, ambition and plans ? they wont tell us. Faulkner said after a win last season that we should aim for Europe, but then there was silence again. Mat Kendrick said some days ago that he has tried to set up interviews many times with Lerner and Faulkner, but he is rejected again and again. Lerners statement on Friday was better than nothing, but I want him to answer all the questions.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:15:20 AM: Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on January 31, 2013, 08:13:28 AM
Morning all, here we go, Yacouba Sylla anyone??

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Aston Villa are in talks to sign Clermont Foot defensive midfielder Yacouba Sylla for around £2m.

If the deal goes through, the 22-year-old will be Villa boss Paul Lambert's first signing of the transfer window.

Defeat by Newcastle on Tuesday saw Villa drop into the Premier League's bottom three.

From Beeb coverage...

Nice to see the beeb 15 hours behind as usual.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 08:15:58 AM: The control centre will be twinkling and flashing like Delhi in Diwali.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2013, 08:19:43 AM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 30, 2013, 11:15:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on January 30, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I don't think of him as overly unlucky, he can't train his team to defend set pieces and he's been negligent with the best array of attackers in the bottom half of the league (damned with faint praise I know), we've enough talent to stay up but I can't see it happening and that's Lamberts fault.

I'm struggling to think of a club that's had as much bad luck as we have over the past three seasons.

If you continue to sell your best players and replace them with inferior ones, how does bad luck come into it?

Newcastle sold several of their best players and got in unknowns, and they all hit the floor running and put them 7th last season.
You'd have to have a very narrow view of the footballing world to describe most of Newcastle's signings 'unknowns'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM: Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.
Jenas and bentley both taking medicals at qpr .
All. Quiet at bodymoor heath.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2013, 08:26:42 AM: Quote from: Morten on January 31, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Spot on. It seems to me that when people trot out figures like £20m they think we should have a side comfortably in the top half. Yet that amount spent on several players really isn't a substantial amount, and when you consider we were in need of several first choice players let alone a few to beef out the squad that amount looks even more well spent. One of the most annoying things to hear at the moment is so called well informed pundits on tv/radio coming out with how much we spent in the summer without any regard for who was bought and how many players were needed.

Agree. The signings made in the summer are nearly all good value. Vlaar cost under 3 million pounds. Now QPR have bought Samba for about 12 million pound and apparently he is going to be on 100,000 pounds a week, that is madness. Benteke was also a good buy, he is worth a lot more now. He has missed a few, but in fact he has already scored 12 goals this season. Having him instead of Heskey is massive improvement. Lowton and Westwood are also good value. The problem this season is that we have relied too much on the inexperienced players. Lowton, for example, could need a rest, but we have no one to replace him. A lot of the players Lambert inherited have been poor: Lichaj, Clark, Bannan, Ireland, Herd, Albrighton, Bent, Delph (who has improved a bit) and also Agbonlahor, he can do much better. Buying young talent is good, but we have lacked leaders, something that should have been adressed long time ago. Clark has potential, but the fact that he has been captain this season, because there were no other alternatives, says a lot.

While I do not blame Lambert for his signings, I blame him for his tactics. The lack of midfield against Newcastle was just the latest example, there have been many. Bradford second half... What I liked about Lambert when he came was that there was a belief that we would not surrender difficult games like last season (Tottenham away, Arsenal away etc.). He had a winning mentality, right now he looks as if he does not believe in us himself. I want him to guide the young players more during games, they need it.

But the most frustrating is the lack of communication from Lerner and Faulkner. What is their vision, ambition and plans ? they wont tell us. Faulkner said after a win last season that we should aim for Europe, but then there was silence again. Mat Kendrick said some days ago that he has tried to set up interviews many times with Lerner and Faulkner, but he is rejected again and again. Lerners statement on Friday was better than nothing, but I want him to answer all the questions.

Christ, it's nice to read a well balanced post for a change.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:33:36 AM: Samba has passed a medical - arry very busy 3 players in for medicals before 9am.
I expect lambers still cooking his porridge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 08:37:59 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.

Doesn't he want out of Swansea for "personal reasons" ?

If so, and since he's from the North East and started his career at Boro, this might make sense if the "personal reasons" are genuine rather than just wanting more money/playing time.

However, moving to Boro at his age does seem a backward step
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 08:40:28 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Samba has passed a medical - arry very busy 3 players in for medicals before 9am.
I expect lambers still cooking his porridge.

well 'onest 'arry has to get all his work done early...so he can then sit in his Range Rover saying "triffik buisness" and "I would of loved Lionel at the football club but Barca would not let him go"....etc etc etc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:42:01 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.

Doesn't he want out of Swansea for "personal reasons" ?

If so, and since he's from the North East and started his career at Boro, this might make sense if the "personal reasons" are genuine rather than just wanting more money/playing time.

However, moving to Boro at his age does seem a backward step

Thats true, lets see if o neill matches the £5.5m bid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:43:10 AM: Did anybody see the clip of shouty 'Mr Transfer' on skysports this week?

'IT'S A DEADLINE DAY PARTY AND YOU'RE INVITED' or something like that.

I hope he shouts himself into an irreversible coma.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 08:46:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.
Jenas and bentley both taking medicals at qpr .
All. Quiet at bodymoor heath.

So there's hope for us yet then!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:46:50 AM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:43:10 AM
Did anybody see the clip of shouty 'Mr Transfer' on skysports this week?

'IT'S A DEADLINE DAY PARTY AND YOU'RE INVITED' or something like that.

I hope he shouts himself into an irreversible coma.

Yes him and natalie sawyer, id take the invite kick him out the window and make sweet music with miss sawyer!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on January 31, 2013, 08:48:01 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Samba has passed a medical - arry very busy 3 players in for medicals before 9am.
I expect lambers still cooking his porridge.

So he'll load the wage bill up, spend crap loads of money, get relegated, then resign and go elsewhere.....Portsmouth anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:48:44 AM: Quote from: avfcpg on January 31, 2013, 08:48:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Samba has passed a medical - arry very busy 3 players in for medicals before 9am.
I expect lambers still cooking his porridge.

So he'll load the wage bill up, spend crap loads of money, get relegated, then resign and go elsewhere.....Portsmouth anyone?

They wont go down .
Im worried having seen saints at man utd last night , even fergie said they are the best side utd have played all season at old trafford , we need to finish above 3 teams and i think saints and qpr are both on the climb.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 08:49:40 AM: Quote from: LeeB on January 31, 2013, 08:26:42 AM
Quote from: Morten on January 31, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Spot on. It seems to me that when people trot out figures like £20m they think we should have a side comfortably in the top half. Yet that amount spent on several players really isn't a substantial amount, and when you consider we were in need of several first choice players let alone a few to beef out the squad that amount looks even more well spent. One of the most annoying things to hear at the moment is so called well informed pundits on tv/radio coming out with how much we spent in the summer without any regard for who was bought and how many players were needed.

Agree. The signings made in the summer are nearly all good value. Vlaar cost under 3 million pounds. Now QPR have bought Samba for about 12 million pound and apparently he is going to be on 100,000 pounds a week, that is madness. Benteke was also a good buy, he is worth a lot more now. He has missed a few, but in fact he has already scored 12 goals this season. Having him instead of Heskey is massive improvement. Lowton and Westwood are also good value. The problem this season is that we have relied too much on the inexperienced players. Lowton, for example, could need a rest, but we have no one to replace him. A lot of the players Lambert inherited have been poor: Lichaj, Clark, Bannan, Ireland, Herd, Albrighton, Bent, Delph (who has improved a bit) and also Agbonlahor, he can do much better. Buying young talent is good, but we have lacked leaders, something that should have been adressed long time ago. Clark has potential, but the fact that he has been captain this season, because there were no other alternatives, says a lot.

While I do not blame Lambert for his signings, I blame him for his tactics. The lack of midfield against Newcastle was just the latest example, there have been many. Bradford second half... What I liked about Lambert when he came was that there was a belief that we would not surrender difficult games like last season (Tottenham away, Arsenal away etc.). He had a winning mentality, right now he looks as if he does not believe in us himself. I want him to guide the young players more during games, they need it.

But the most frustrating is the lack of communication from Lerner and Faulkner. What is their vision, ambition and plans ? they wont tell us. Faulkner said after a win last season that we should aim for Europe, but then there was silence again. Mat Kendrick said some days ago that he has tried to set up interviews many times with Lerner and Faulkner, but he is rejected again and again. Lerners statement on Friday was better than nothing, but I want him to answer all the questions.

Christ, it's nice to read a well balanced post for a change.

Indeed.

A lot of Lambert's signings are with an eye to the longterm - for instance I expect Bennett to improve the defensive side of his game and settle down to be a quite useful player for us. Where he has got it wrong is with the short to medium term with mis judging what we had and KEA's ability to quickly adapt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 31, 2013, 08:50:41 AM: Happy Eastie Day.

I wish you all Breaking News.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 08:53:20 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Samba has passed a medical - arry very busy 3 players in for medicals before 9am.
I expect lambers still cooking his porridge.

well 'onest 'arry has to get all his work done early...so he can then sit in his Range Rover saying "triffik buisness" and "I would of loved Lionel at the football club but Barca would not let him go"....etc etc etc

I think he needs to get it done early as he can then spend the rest of the day hiding the money in offshore bank accounts. His mother-in-law's pet hamster Mr Snuggles is next on the list.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM: Yes, although I'm thankfully not at home to suffer it, a big fuck you going out to Jim "Foghorn" White, Harry "Mr Transfer day" Redknapp and all the chavs that are standing outside their club's training grounds (you sad pathetic twats).
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.

Oh yes, and I've just switched to Virgin again.

Now let the madness begin. And for those who are viewing, keep us updated on boobwatch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:58:51 AM: Jenas and Bentley at QPR? Is that a joke? Other than the potential benefit to us I really hope they still go down. For football's sake
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 08:59:54 AM: I'm in hospital so have no access to Redknapp Sports News.

First time I've been grateful for my broken ankle!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:02:10 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.
Oh, and I thought that the coverage was up-to the minute, correct, non-rumoured news this very exciting transfer day.

Who needs signings by the way - its all about the youth of today :-[
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 09:06:06 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: LeeB on January 31, 2013, 08:26:42 AM
Quote from: Morten on January 31, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 30, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2013, 10:52:01 PM
It is true though. We had to totally rebuild a squad on 23 million plus less wages than before. He bought fairly well, just did not have the time to properly analyse just how incredibly bad our squad was already.

He bought well? Are you absolutely being serious?

Completely.

Guzan, Lowton, Westwood and Benteke were excellent signings for the fees

Vlaar needs time to get back up to speed following injury but prior looked like he was adjusting and the other night I thought lead the onslaught second half well.

His biggest mistake, or let down, unfortunately for him is KEA never adjusting to the physical side of the game here. Petrov struggled badly for 18 months when he arrived and I do think KEA can improve, he was loved dearly by the fans of Feyenoord so there is a player in there.

Bennett - we needed a left back that was solid and Bennett is easily his most unfit for the role signing. He is a cracking footballer IMO, and could easily play left midfield in a 4-4-2 and sling balls into the box.

Spot on. It seems to me that when people trot out figures like £20m they think we should have a side comfortably in the top half. Yet that amount spent on several players really isn't a substantial amount, and when you consider we were in need of several first choice players let alone a few to beef out the squad that amount looks even more well spent. One of the most annoying things to hear at the moment is so called well informed pundits on tv/radio coming out with how much we spent in the summer without any regard for who was bought and how many players were needed.

Agree. The signings made in the summer are nearly all good value. Vlaar cost under 3 million pounds. Now QPR have bought Samba for about 12 million pound and apparently he is going to be on 100,000 pounds a week, that is madness. Benteke was also a good buy, he is worth a lot more now. He has missed a few, but in fact he has already scored 12 goals this season. Having him instead of Heskey is massive improvement. Lowton and Westwood are also good value. The problem this season is that we have relied too much on the inexperienced players. Lowton, for example, could need a rest, but we have no one to replace him. A lot of the players Lambert inherited have been poor: Lichaj, Clark, Bannan, Ireland, Herd, Albrighton, Bent, Delph (who has improved a bit) and also Agbonlahor, he can do much better. Buying young talent is good, but we have lacked leaders, something that should have been adressed long time ago. Clark has potential, but the fact that he has been captain this season, because there were no other alternatives, says a lot.

While I do not blame Lambert for his signings, I blame him for his tactics. The lack of midfield against Newcastle was just the latest example, there have been many. Bradford second half... What I liked about Lambert when he came was that there was a belief that we would not surrender difficult games like last season (Tottenham away, Arsenal away etc.). He had a winning mentality, right now he looks as if he does not believe in us himself. I want him to guide the young players more during games, they need it.

But the most frustrating is the lack of communication from Lerner and Faulkner. What is their vision, ambition and plans ? they wont tell us. Faulkner said after a win last season that we should aim for Europe, but then there was silence again. Mat Kendrick said some days ago that he has tried to set up interviews many times with Lerner and Faulkner, but he is rejected again and again. Lerners statement on Friday was better than nothing, but I want him to answer all the questions.

Christ, it's nice to read a well balanced post for a change.

Indeed.

A lot of Lambert's signings are with an eye to the longterm - for instance I expect Bennett to improve the defensive side of his game and settle down to be a quite useful player for us. Where he has got it wrong is with the short to medium term with mis judging what we had and KEA's ability to quickly adapt.

KEA looked fine at the start of the season though and it was until after the window had closed that he started losing confidence and form. KEA not really working out so far has been the source of a lot of our problems in midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:10:27 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.
Jenas and bentley both taking medicals at qpr .
All. Quiet at bodymoor heath.

So there's hope for us yet then!

Whatever is Arry thinking about?. Jenas and Bentley?. A double headed cast iron disaster waiting to happen. Yes Crouchy and Samba would be great signings but those two are the type that Mark Hughes would have signed.

I feel quite elated depending if Mumbles comes up with anything today.

Hope springs eternal!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:12:55 AM: From the Sun...zzz

"Lambert is also weighing up a last-ditch bid for Chelsea outcast Florent Malouda.

The France midfielder, 32, would add vital experience — although his wages could be a problem."

Whatever Trevor....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:13:06 AM: 'Arry will have a squad of 78 players and a wage bill of a squillion pounds a week at this rate.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:13:28 AM: Quote from: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.
Oh, and I thought that the coverage was up-to the minute, correct, non-rumoured news this very exciting transfer day.

Who needs signings by the way - its all about the youth of today :-[

ahhh..whatever happened to Musical Youth....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:14:36 AM: After being forced to sit out the last window, I bet Harry has got the Range Rover gleaming like a new penny, electric windows checked to make sure they haven't rusted shut, and Sarrndra has put nice creases in his shirt so that his elbow out of the window looks smart. I love the 31 January.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 09:14:43 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.
Oh, and I thought that the coverage was up-to the minute, correct, non-rumoured news this very exciting transfer day.

Who needs signings by the way - its all about the youth of today :-[

ahhh..whatever happened to Musical Youth....

I saw them walking around town with a little bike and some guide dogs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: arnie66 on January 31, 2013, 09:15:59 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
Yes, although I'm thankfully not at home to suffer it, a big fuck you going out to Jim "Foghorn" White, Harry "Mr Transfer day" Redknapp and all the chavs that are standing outside their club's training grounds (you sad pathetic twats).
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.

Oh yes, and I've just switched to Virgin again.

Now let the madness begin. And for those who are viewing, keep us updated on boobwatch.

Great post Mazrim - sums up the day perfectly...especially the chavs outside training grounds (always Stoke)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 09:17:37 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.
Oh, and I thought that the coverage was up-to the minute, correct, non-rumoured news this very exciting transfer day.

Who needs signings by the way - its all about the youth of today :-[

ahhh..whatever happened to Musical Youth....

They'd be great at passing on the left hand side
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 09:20:34 AM: Ok so we have finally acted in an area we were desperate for players. Why it has taken this long to get a French Ligue 2 player in is unbelievable.

He fits the Lambert mould but at least he on the face of it appears strong and physical which we need.

We still need to get in two more for me. Another strong midfielder on loan or short term -nrc or palacios. Would cost very little money.

Then a CB.

I would keep Bent till the Summer cant see anyone coming in for him now. If Stoke do id rather have player swaps than cash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:21:08 AM: Happy Eastie Day everyone.

I've never heard of this Sylla chap we've bought in but it's a start i suppose.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:27:14 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
Happy Eastie Day everyone.

I've never heard of this Sylla chap we've bought in but it's a start i suppose.

Haven't brought him in yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:28:13 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
Happy Eastie Day everyone.

I've never heard of this Sylla chap we've bought in but it's a start i suppose.

Haven't brought him in yet.

Oh, i thought it was done and dusted. Oh well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:29:15 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
But a special fuck you going out to Sky. You can shove your clockwatch, fundraiseresque total count, idiots with mobiles pretending to know something and your big ben graphic right up your bloated mudwhistle.
Oh, and I thought that the coverage was up-to the minute, correct, non-rumoured news this very exciting transfer day.

Who needs signings by the way - its all about the youth of today :-[

ahhh..whatever happened to Musical Youth....

They'd be great at passing on the left hand side
Concreate Ron passing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:31:49 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
After being forced to sit out the last window, I bet Harry has got the Range Rover gleaming like a new penny, electric windows checked to make sure they haven't rusted shut, and Sarrndra has put nice creases in his shirt so that his elbow out of the window looks smart. I love the 31 January.
: Morning!! Already we have the shot of Harry in the Range Rover! #DeadlineDay http://t.co/l9BvHBLR
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on January 31, 2013, 09:35:48 AM: Quote from: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

When Martinez wasn't for swaying again they must have hit the panic button. Still, unacceptable really.
The biggest mistake in the last three years of bad ones and bad luck.

Of all the mistakes made by Lerner and Co. (and there are plenty) that moment they did a complete u-turn on the direction and, I would argue, progress, under Houllier's reign and went for McLeish, was the main thing that brought us to the current desperate position. It was beyond incompetence and in the realms of insanity. There's been no proper explanation because there is no explanation for something so utterly mad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 09:39:13 AM: Harry was late into work this morning. He was delayed when he stopped at the security camera on the gates of his luxury home "Backhander Grange" for a natter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM: 120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:45:23 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

Blows us out of the water if we find ourselves competing for players with them.
If he wants diame he will get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:45:59 AM: Quote from: ktvillan on January 31, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 01:37:31 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 12:02:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
As I said some time ago, I wonder what might have happened had he brought in a no. 2 who commanded a bit more respect than McAllister. He could have done the training ground and touchline stuff with Ged sitting in the stand.
What I couldn't fathom was why after Houllier left they did a complete about face in terms of style and strategy by appointing McLeish. I was bewildered at the time and still am really. I genuinely have no idea what they were thinking.

When Martinez wasn't for swaying again they must have hit the panic button. Still, unacceptable really.
The biggest mistake in the last three years of bad ones and bad luck.

Of all the mistakes made by Lerner and Co. (and there are plenty) that moment they did a complete u-turn on the direction and, I would argue, progress, under Houllier's reign and went for McLeish, was the main thing that brought us to the current desperate position. It was beyond incompetence and in the realms of insanity. There's been no proper explanation because there is no explanation for something so utterly mad.

Think there was a simple explanation = money. Under Houllier it was obvious most of the existing squad couldn't play his style of football, so they went back to Hoof! It would have cost them a fortune to replace half the squad if we'd followed Houllier with a manager with similar ideas. Admittedly it doesn't explain why they chose TSM, just the type of manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 09:48:41 AM: Samba is/was a decent defender, nothing more. That is just fucking crazy. A nonsense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:49:02 AM: Danny graham turns down move to boro.
Seems bent talk may be scuppered , stoke fail to agree fee for crouch with qpr, but talks ongoing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:55:13 AM: Scharner signs for wigan- would have liked him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:57:16 AM: So Eastie, if we're paying 2m for the french NRC, that means 8m left to spend, yes?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2013, 09:58:02 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:55:13 AM
Scharner signs for wigan- would have liked him.

Damn, one of the cheap options that would have worked
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 09:59:14 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

This is why the extra TV money isn't as big a deal as it should be. The clubs aren't going to get richer, the players will just demand more.

The lack of any form of salary control in football is going to destroy the professional game, far too much money being put into football but going straight to player and agents without actually improving anything.

Implement a salary cap and Premier league match tickets could all easily be reduced to a maximum of £10 and money spent by the clubs in local community projects could be increased significantly. As it is you get 19 year olds, who played 10 games and are multi-millionaires driving round in sports cars.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:01:00 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:57:16 AM
So Eastie, if we're paying 2m for the french NRC, that means 8m left to spend, yes?

No idea greg, but i would think at least that as a minimum.
Certainly would expect another 2 or 3 today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:01:01 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).

No because they're just doing an exaggerated version of what happened to us. There's no way their income can sustain that spending. So no 'if you have the money spend it' is nonsense and will threaten the long term future of the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 31, 2013, 10:03:46 AM: Paul Scharner has gone to Wigan on loan. He'd have done a job for us at either centre half or defensive midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:06:24 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).

No because they're just doing an exaggerated version of what happened to us. There's no way their income can sustain that spending. So no 'if you have the money spend it' is nonsense and will threaten the long term future of the club.

As said in the post, it applies to lambert- money available to him today must be used.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 10:07:32 AM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 31, 2013, 10:03:46 AM
Paul Scharner has gone to Wigan on loan. He'd have done a job for us at either centre half or defensive midfield.

Yes, and always seemed to get the odd important goal as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 10:07:35 AM: Apparently Danny Simpson will be gone from Newcastle by the end of the day...surely would be an improvement on what we have. Again, he is one that can go straight in and do a job, anywhere across the back 4 (which I hope her reverts to).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:08:59 AM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 10:07:35 AM
Apparently Danny Simpson will be gone from Newcastle by the end of the day...surely would be an improvement on what we have. Again, he is one that can go straight in and do a job, anywhere across the back 4 (which I hope her reverts to).

Tulisa in the stands would be a bonus, something decent to look at if the football is crap..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 10:09:34 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 31, 2013, 10:03:46 AM
Paul Scharner has gone to Wigan on loan. He'd have done a job for us at either centre half or defensive midfield.

Yes, and always seemed to get the odd important goal as well.

Good signing for Wigan is that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:12:55 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).

No because they're just doing an exaggerated version of what happened to us. There's no way their income can sustain that spending. So no 'if you have the money spend it' is nonsense and will threaten the long term future of the club.

As said in the post, it applies to lambert- money available to him today must be used.

Yes but I wasn't talking about Lambert, it's about QPR spending absolutely massively beyond their means.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:14:13 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).

No because they're just doing an exaggerated version of what happened to us. There's no way their income can sustain that spending. So no 'if you have the money spend it' is nonsense and will threaten the long term future of the club.

As said in the post, it applies to lambert- money available to him today must be used.

Yes but I wasn't talking about Lambert, it's about QPR spending absolutely massively beyond their means.

Looking at their board and owners they can afford it ten times over.
They will stay up - i have no doubt.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:15:28 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on January 31, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
120k a week, 12.5m for Samba.

The world is beyond mad. He is a good player, but Blackburn were leaking goals with him and Nelson last season before he left.

It's absolutely disgusting and Redknapp and QPR are a disgrace.

I agree Paul...

If you have got the money spend it ( this applies to mr lambert).

No because they're just doing an exaggerated version of what happened to us. There's no way their income can sustain that spending. So no 'if you have the money spend it' is nonsense and will threaten the long term future of the club.

As said in the post, it applies to lambert- money available to him today must be used.

Eastie, you consistently say this money must be used, but does this money you refer to include wages or is this just the money for the transfers themselves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 10:17:26 AM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on January 31, 2013, 10:03:46 AM
Paul Scharner has gone to Wigan on loan. He'd have done a job for us at either centre half or defensive midfield.

Exactly the sort of move we should have been looking at.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 10:18:55 AM: Unless we have something better planned. Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:20:01 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 10:18:55 AM
Unless we have something better planned. Just throwing that out there.

I'd be very surprised if we get a defender as good and as ready for the Premier League as Scharner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 10:20:31 AM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 10:18:55 AM
Unless we have something better planned. Just throwing that out there.

There is always that possibility.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:21:11 AM: Money available for transfers needs to be spent - i don't get this " wont spend for the sake of it "stuff from lambert, the team is weak and there are loads of players he could get to strengthen - scharner would have been perfect for starters.

We dont want to hit 11 pm and say well there was £5m left but we couldnt find anyone suitable to buy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:23:39 AM: I'm holding out for Hangeland. That would make it a good window and be a better move than Scharner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:25:03 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
Money available for transfers needs to be spent - i don't get this " wont spend for the sake of it "stuff from lambert, the team is weak and there are loads of players he could get to strengthen - scharner would have been perfect for starters.

We dont want to hit 11 pm and say well there was £5m left but we couldnt find anyone suitable to buy.

Yet if Lambert can spend £5m, or whatever, but only add £20k a week to the wagebill, that does tie his hands somewhat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 31, 2013, 10:25:28 AM: Just seen this on twitter.com/wilch4

Hopefully we sign Danny Graham. Then we can have Sylla and our Graham! #avfc

;D

Classic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:25:56 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
I'm holding out for Hangeland. That would make it a good window and be a better move than Scharner.

The one thing Scharner would have brought is versatilty. He can play midfield as well as centre half. Hangeland would be good though and quite cheap i would have thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM: Right eastie QPR might well stay up, but their spending means that if they don't they will go under. I want Villa to spend, but it needs to be sensible. Just because QPR have rich owners now doesn't mean they won't just walk away. I'd rather we signed a couple of players for sensible fees and sensible wages and survived if we went down, rather than spend an insane £12.5 million on Chris Samba and gave him over £100K a week and folded as a club if we went down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:27:43 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on January 31, 2013, 10:25:28 AM
Just seen this on twitter.com/wilch4

Hopefully we sign Danny Graham. Then we can have Sylla and our Graham! #avfc

;D

Classic.

That's going on my Facebook!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
Right eastie QPR might well stay up, but their spending means that if they don't they will go under. I want Villa to spend, but it needs to be sensible. Just because QPR have rich owners now doesn't mean they won't just walk away. I'd rather we signed a couple of players for sensible fees and sensible wages and survived if we went down, rather than spend an insane £12.5 million on Chris Samba and gave him over £100K a week and folded as a club if we went down.

Exactly. Redknapp is doing the only thing he knows and that's stupidly spend his way out of trouble.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 10:29:49 AM: Either Carragher or Hangeland would be exactly the sort of player we need. One of them, a left back, and another midfielder to be on the safe side and I'll be happy enough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM: Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:32:18 AM: Oh and by the way Samba will be on well over £100K, he was on that in Russia and was being charged a lot less in terms of tax. He'll be on at least £120 K, whihc is utter madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:32:52 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
Right eastie QPR might well stay up, but their spending means that if they don't they will go under. I want Villa to spend, but it needs to be sensible. Just because QPR have rich owners now doesn't mean they won't just walk away. I'd rather we signed a couple of players for sensible fees and sensible wages and survived if we went down, rather than spend an insane £12.5 million on Chris Samba and gave him over £100K a week and folded as a club if we went down.

Exactly. Redknapp is doing the only thing he knows and that's stupidly spend his way out of trouble.

We will see how stupid when they stay up and pocket the multi millions in tv rights.
He is bringing in some quality players , cant fault him for that, . Samba and remy will improve them greatly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:34:19 AM: I think Arry will spend his way out but then clear a load in the summer, he's still a ****** and I hate the man
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 10:34:38 AM: Carragher played (and played well) for Liverpool last night. Surely the only way he'd consider a move right now would be if he wasn't getting a look in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 10:35:24 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:47:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 30, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 30, 2013, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

Now that would be beautiful.

Too good to be true.

I don't care. I'm believing it already!

We think TATA to take over? Or just JLR as sponsor?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 10:36:06 AM: Is Scharner a really good player now then? When did that happen? Always thought he was below average to be honest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 10:36:14 AM: Carragher won't leave Liverpool. He'll be there until he retires.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 10:37:00 AM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Carragher played (and played well) for Liverpool last night. Surely the only way he'd consider a move right now would be if he wasn't getting a look in.

Agreed. Same with Hangeland. He captained Fulham last night so I just can't see him moving.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2013, 10:38:36 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
Right eastie QPR might well stay up, but their spending means that if they don't they will go under. I want Villa to spend, but it needs to be sensible. Just because QPR have rich owners now doesn't mean they won't just walk away. I'd rather we signed a couple of players for sensible fees and sensible wages and survived if we went down, rather than spend an insane £12.5 million on Chris Samba and gave him over £100K a week and folded as a club if we went down.

Exactly. Redknapp is doing the only thing he knows and that's stupidly spend his way out of trouble.

Samba at 28 years of age and £12.5m is crazy. When he's 32 they won't get back even 1/3rd of that, then there's the £6m wages every year for 4 years. That equates to practically all of next seasons TV money spunked out on Samba.

He is a good player but is he £100/£120K a week good? No he isn't. If they go down will they be able to off load him? If they stay up how can they afford him and the rest of their recently recruited mercenaries?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:38:51 AM: Just can't see an old head arriving with lambert in charge. What is his oldest signing btw? Papermache Ron?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:39:19 AM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Carragher played (and played well) for Liverpool last night. Surely the only way he'd consider a move right now would be if he wasn't getting a look in.

Agreed. Same with Hangeland. He captained Fulham last night so I just can't see him moving.

Hangeland is out of contract in the summer though so a couple of million might tempt them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 10:40:02 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

but only the right players. Signings for the sake of spending money won't help. We need players with the right skills and character. I want us to find those players and spend the money but if the option is sylla and nothing else or him and a danny graham/Kenwyne Jones style signing then I'm happy enough if we don't spend the money.

Given that we seem to have found a big strong midfielder we now need a central defender and we could really benefit from another central midfielder, a left back and a winger who can play left and right (and has a bit of pace and trickery).

I don't expect Cylla and 4 more so I'd focus on the defender for the time being, we need to start keeping clean sheets, we have strikers capable of taking chances but we shouldn't need them to score 2-3 every game to stand a chance, which is the case currently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 10:40:36 AM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 10:35:24 AM
We think TATA to take over? Or just JLR as sponsor?
Neither will happen. Being associated with a football team in UK , being it is the biggest market for the company, adversely effects sales. You isolate a very large population of potential customers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 10:40:52 AM: Quote from: TonyD on January 30, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 30, 2013, 11:17:29 PM
TATA?

Rumours from where?
It would be JLR as our sponser. My source via India reckons its in talks.

You sure they aren't confusing it with this?

JLR owner Tata in takeover talks with Aston Martin, claims insider (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/jaguar-land-rover-owner-tata-308695)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:42:30 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:38:51 AM
Just can't see an old head arriving with lambert in charge. What is his oldest signing btw? Papermache Ron?

This 'kid' thing bothers me a little.

OK, some where. But KEA, Holman and Vlaar are all 25+ with international and Champions League experience. Guzan he re-signed at something like 29 years old.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:44:27 AM: Houliier on Sylla

French under-21 international Yacouba Sylla will become Villa’s first signing of the transfer window today – with another arrival expected before tonight’s deadline.

Sylla, a 22-year-old defensive midfielder, has been given a promising endorsement by former Villa boss Gerard Houllier following his £1.75 million move from Clermont Foot.

Houllier claims the powerful six-footer, who was linked with Queens Park Rangers and Fulham earlier in the transfer window, is highly thought of in their natvie France.

Sylla arrives from Clermont, who are 14th in Ligue 2, and his capture continues boss Paul Lambert’s policy of recruiting young players hungry to prove themselves in the Premier League.

“He’s a good defensive midfielder, sometimes he can play a little bit further up,” Houllier told the Birmingham Mail. “He is very strong and powerful and he is one of the best players in their team.

“The French Ligue 2 is a similar standard to the Championship. I have spoken to one or two people at Clermont and they say that he can play at a higher level, certainly at Ligue 1 in France.

“He can either play in front of the defence as a sitter or he can play in a defensive midfield triangle.

“Clermont have a good reputation for supplying players for Ligue One in France and he would have made that step up next season.

“In England , in the Premier League at Aston Villa it will be a massive challenge for him, but he is thought of in France as a very promising player.”

Villa were priced out of a move for France international and former Houllier target Moussa Sissoko, who instead made his debut in Newcastle’s victory at Villa Park on Tuesday night.

They are still hopeful of pulling off another incoming deal before the window shuts at 11pm.

Stoke have enquired about a swoop for Darren Bent, signed by Houllier for a record fee two years ago, with Tony Pulis believed to have tentatively discussed the striker’s availability with Lambert.

But there has been no bid made by the Potters and it is thought they would only pursue their interest if they were to sell either Kenwyne Jones, who is now expected to stay at the Britannia Stadium, or Peter Crouch, whose mooted return to QPR has hit a snag.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:45:45 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Carragher played (and played well) for Liverpool last night. Surely the only way he'd consider a move right now would be if he wasn't getting a look in.

Agreed. Same with Hangeland. He captained Fulham last night so I just can't see him moving.

Hangeland is out of contract in the summer though so a couple of million might tempt them.

Maybe but would he want to come to a club 19th in the table?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:46:41 AM: Maybe Carragher on loan? He isn't a regular at the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:47:09 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:38:51 AM
Just can't see an old head arriving with lambert in charge. What is his oldest signing btw? Papermache Ron?

This 'kid' thing bothers me a little.

OK, some where. But KEA, Holman and Vlaar are all 25+ with international and Champions League experience. Guzan he re-signed at something like 29 years old.

yeah but 'keeper's are different. You've got 5+ years left at 29. I just can't see him buying say a 31year old defender with no re-sale value at the end of his contract.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:47:47 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Carragher played (and played well) for Liverpool last night. Surely the only way he'd consider a move right now would be if he wasn't getting a look in.

Agreed. Same with Hangeland. He captained Fulham last night so I just can't see him moving.

Hangeland is out of contract in the summer though so a couple of million might tempt them.

Maybe but would he want to come to a club 19th in the table?

Who knows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:48:09 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:26:31 AM
Right eastie QPR might well stay up, but their spending means that if they don't they will go under. I want Villa to spend, but it needs to be sensible. Just because QPR have rich owners now doesn't mean they won't just walk away. I'd rather we signed a couple of players for sensible fees and sensible wages and survived if we went down, rather than spend an insane £12.5 million on Chris Samba and gave him over £100K a week and folded as a club if we went down.

Exactly. Redknapp is doing the only thing he knows and that's stupidly spend his way out of trouble.

We will see how stupid when they stay up and pocket the multi millions in tv rights.
He is bringing in some quality players , cant fault him for that, . Samba and remy will improve them greatly.

The increased TV revenue won't help them that much. I can fault him for that and look at some of his previous clubs for proof of what happens after he's gone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:48:55 AM: If we could get Riise and a strong centre back I would be reasonably happy. There aren't any links at the minute but we need to beef up the back-line.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:49:42 AM: Andreas townsend undergoing medical at qpr now- their medical team must be on double time today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM: Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 10:50:49 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
Swansea agree fee with mboro for danny graham - strange one that.
Jenas and bentley both taking medicals at qpr .
All. Quiet at bodymoor heath.

Fucking hell would love to see the wage bill at QPR...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 10:51:25 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:49:42 AM
Andrea Townsend undergoing medical at qpr now- their medical team must be on double time today.

Is that Andy Townsend's missus?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 10:51:52 AM: Riise (or Cavanda), Malouda and Hangeland or Ba would do.
If Bent leaves, get Guidetti in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:52:30 AM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:38:51 AM
Just can't see an old head arriving with lambert in charge. What is his oldest signing btw? Papermache Ron?

This 'kid' thing bothers me a little.

OK, some where. But KEA, Holman and Vlaar are all 25+ with international and Champions League experience. Guzan he re-signed at something like 29 years old.

yeah but 'keeper's are different. You've got 5+ years left at 29. I just can't see him buying say a 31year old defender with no re-sale value at the end of his contract.

I'm not too sure as that wasn't what was called for in the summer, but is now. Wages, as always, is probably a bigger factor there as a player in that position will want that 'last big payday', which is what we've got burnt on before and need to guard against.

Either way, we'll know later today!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:55:33 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 10:51:25 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:49:42 AM
Andrea Townsend undergoing medical at qpr now- their medical team must be on double time today.

Is that Andy Townsend's missus?

Think so, harry probably wants her in the tea and cake role.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:56:19 AM: Who's Townsend?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM: Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:58:30 AM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Im saying there are players out there available who can improve the squad and not cost a great deal- ie sharner , etc.
The squad is very poor , we must strengthen today . Lets be frank it wouldnt take much to improve our midfield , dale stephens , bridcutt, etc would be better than the likes of bannan and ireland.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:01:22 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?

Think it will depend on qpr agreeing crouch fee .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 11:01:38 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Im saying there are players out there available who can improve the squad and not cost a great deal- ie sharner , etc.
The squad is very poor , we must strengthen today . Lets be frank it wouldnt take much to improve our midfield , dale stephens , bridcutt, etc would be better than the likes of bannan and ireland.
Sharner gone to Wigan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 11:01:51 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Im saying there are players out there available who can improve the squad and not cost a great deal- ie sharner , etc.
The squad is very poor , we must strengthen today .

I agree with you that the squad is poor for a Premier League squad, and yes we need to strengthen but how do you know how much a player like Paul Sharner demands? and how much we can afford to pay at the minute? By the looks of the signings that Lambert has already made, it would be logical to assume they're mostly on peanuts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:03:39 AM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Im saying there are players out there available who can improve the squad and not cost a great deal- ie sharner , etc.
The squad is very poor , we must strengthen today .

I agree with you that the squad is poor for a Premier League squad, and yes we need to strengthen but how do you know how much a player like Paul Sharner demands? and how much we can afford to pay at the minute?

If you think we couldnt afford a player like sharner on loan then we might as well fukkin give up now.
I would suggest lambert didnt want him - not that we couldnt afford him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 11:06:37 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Relegation would cost the club many times what a few million today could - we must get players in to give us a chance of survival.

So are you saying even if we could get someone in on the wages we have available to offer who would not really improve the squad we should just do it anyway because he needs to spend it? The money may be there to sign players, as it probably was for Sissoko but by all accounts we couldn't get near the wages he wanted. I don't think the right strategy should be to sign players just to add another person to the squad, we need guys who will improve us otherwise we'll just be left in the same position we've been in previously - paying out more wages on players that aren't good enough that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Im saying there are players out there available who can improve the squad and not cost a great deal- ie sharner , etc.
The squad is very poor , we must strengthen today .

I agree with you that the squad is poor for a Premier League squad, and yes we need to strengthen but how do you know how much a player like Paul Sharner demands? and how much we can afford to pay at the minute?

If you think we couldnt afford a player like sharner on loan then we might as well fukkin give up now.
Im sure lambert didnt want him - not that we couldnt afford him.

Who knows? Maybe we could afford him and wanted him, but maybe he just wanted to go back to where he was previously. The point I'm trying to make is that you consistently bring up the fact that we have money and have to spend it, but you appear to have no regard for how much we can actually pay in wages, which is probably a pittance by premier league standards.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:07:33 AM: Blackburn keeper paul robinson to west ham
Keiran dyer to mboro
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 11:09:46 AM: Eastie, just take a look back on our panic buys over just the last six years, people brought in at the last minute just to get "someone" in. They end up being mistakes more consistently than the planned ones, leaving us with tut we cant play or pay. I still believe we are just two players from being an side that could scrape survival. Scraping survival is not something im proud of, but thats where we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 11:10:26 AM: Scharner I agree with, as he wouldn't be too bad. Samba however will cost QPR up towards £20 million for a year, with fee and wages and that is fucking insane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:13:15 AM: Beckhams off to psg.- posh will love paris.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 11:13:41 AM: Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 11:09:46 AM
Eastie, just take a look back on our panic buys over just the last six years, people brought in at the last minute just to get "someone" in. They end up being mistakes more consistently than the planned ones, leaving us with tut we cant play or pay. I still believe we are just two players from being an side that could scrape survival. Scraping survival is not something im proud of, but thats where we are.

I agree with you. We need people in a couple of places as a catalyst.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 11:14:06 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
Beckhams off to psg.- posh will love paris.

Time he hung his boots up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:15:34 AM: Sunderland now agree deal for danny graham- nice to see martin busy as usual.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 11:17:32 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?

Think it will depend on qpr agreeing crouch fee .

Indeed.

Stoke want £3m, but 'arry wants to pay £10m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 11:17:45 AM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?

From the outside, it looks as though Bent must be a troublemaker. It's been a while since we looked good with him in the team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:18:41 AM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?

From the outside, it looks as though Bent must be a troublemaker. It's been a while since we looked good with him in the team.

Calling dc5 to thread for darren bent troublemaking update!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 11:19:20 AM: I think 'Arry has been told to fill his boots. I'm pretty sure that Tony Fernandes has come out in the press and basically said that if the fans don't like him then he'll happily walk away. As a very wealthy man I'm pretty sure that's code for 'if we get relegated, I'm walking away, my wealth is protected and the club will go into bankruptcy....I don't give a shizzle'. If they stay up then he's a happy man, if they go down, he doesn't care. That's just my take on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 11:20:18 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 11:09:46 AM
Eastie, just take a look back on our panic buys over just the last six years, people brought in at the last minute just to get "someone" in. They end up being mistakes more consistently than the planned ones, leaving us with tut we cant play or pay. I still believe we are just two players from being an side that could scrape survival. Scraping survival is not something im proud of, but thats where we are.

I agree with you. We need people in a couple of places as a catalyst.

If we could effectively shore up midfield and the defence, then I'd argue this could easily be a midtable side. It'll be interesting to see, presuming we do get the right players in, what our form from 1st Feb to the end of the season is like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 11:21:08 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 10:57:54 AM
Any news on more for us yet ? And is Bent going to fuck off ?

Think it will depend on qpr agreeing crouch fee .

Indeed.

Stoke want £3m, but 'arry wants to pay £10m.

Haha class
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:22:35 AM: My worry is looking at the upcoming fixtures we could easily be 6 0r 7 points adrift by the end of february .
Qpr tell townsend the deal is off - uncle arry ,must have lined up someone else !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM: Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:29:36 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?

Cant really see bent fitting in at stoke- a lot of highball up and under stuff - dont think he would be suited.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 11:32:35 AM: They went for Michael Owen though didn't they. I can see this having legs. Lets face it, he'd doing bugger all for us so we may as well cash in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:33:23 AM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
They went for Michael Owen though didn't they. I can see this having legs. Lets face it, he'd doing bugger all for us so we may as well cash in

I can see it happening but im not sure stoke is the right club for bent .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 11:34:02 AM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
They went for Michael Owen though didn't they. I can see this having legs. Lets face it, he'd doing bugger all for us so we may as well cash in

Also I think he'd get decent service from Etherington and Pennant.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:34:28 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?

Cant really see bent fitting in at stoke- a lot of highball up and under stuff - dont think he would be suited.
I can. They have Etherington and Kightly, who whilst aren't Ronaldo and Messi are decent wingers. I think a partnership of Bent and either of Crouch and Jones could work with wingers supplying them.

He is better suited to their system than what Lambert seems to want to play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 11:40:20 AM: Pete Colley says Bent is staying apparently.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 11:41:28 AM: What's happening with a centre half? we need a defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:41:33 AM: Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?

Cant really see bent fitting in at stoke- a lot of highball up and under stuff - dont think he would be suited.
I can. They have Etherington and Kightly, who whilst aren't Ronaldo and Messi are decent wingers. I think a partnership of Bent and either of Crouch and Jones could work with wingers supplying them.

He is better suited to their system than what Lambert seems to want to play.

Would only happen if crouch goes but yes he had a good partnership with jones on wearside.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 31, 2013, 11:42:14 AM: I won't have access to a tv until tonight, hows Harrys Range Rover looking?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:43:27 AM: Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on January 31, 2013, 11:42:14 AM
I won't have access to a tv until tonight, hows Harrys Range Rover looking?

Very nice , kevin bond as always playing chauffeur.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:47:04 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?

Cant really see bent fitting in at stoke- a lot of highball up and under stuff - dont think he would be suited.
I can. They have Etherington and Kightly, who whilst aren't Ronaldo and Messi are decent wingers. I think a partnership of Bent and either of Crouch and Jones could work with wingers supplying them.

He is better suited to their system than what Lambert seems to want to play.

Would only happen if crouch goes but yes he had a good partnership with jones on wearside.
Yeah, I guess Crouch is worth more than Jones so that would make sense.

The pendulum seems to have swung to 'Bent staying' though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 11:47:15 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

A bit harsh. He also signed good players at Liverpool and won a truckload of silverware with them. Also, Makoun was hardly used as Houllier fell ill before really getting a chance to build his team. He was after some players who have gone on to be very good indeed so maybe we shouldnt write off what he has to say.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 11:48:02 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He's signed some decent players as well, and by and large knows French football.

What exactly did he say?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:49:48 AM: Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
Swansea will probably sign Kenwyne Jones. If he doesn't get greedy, Stoke will also sell Crouch. Maybe this will mean Bent goes to Stoke, or Swansea?

Cant really see bent fitting in at stoke- a lot of highball up and under stuff - dont think he would be suited.
I can. They have Etherington and Kightly, who whilst aren't Ronaldo and Messi are decent wingers. I think a partnership of Bent and either of Crouch and Jones could work with wingers supplying them.

He is better suited to their system than what Lambert seems to want to play.

Would only happen if crouch goes but yes he had a good partnership with jones on wearside.
Yeah, I guess Crouch is worth more than Jones so that would make sense.

The pendulum seems to have swung to 'Bent staying' though.

Unless harry pays the asking price on crouchy - then could be all change again, often one deal can trigger a domino effect.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:50:17 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He's signed some decent players as well, and by and large knows French football.

What exactly did he say?

Phil From the Upper Holte posted what he said on here somewhere a bit earlier on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:50:58 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.

Harsh to write off makoun as well as he never really had long enough to prove himself.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 11:53:18 AM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.

Agreed. For all his faults, I think that, had he remained in charge, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:55:16 AM: Montbert, There is a link in Cilla's thread, but it's posted in here too a few pages back.

The bit I liked in the interview was when Houllier said something about a 'midfield triangle' It gives you such a lovely image of a midfield with shape!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:55:53 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 11:53:18 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.

Agreed. For all his faults, I think that, had he remained in charge, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

His man management and pr skills may be somewhat poor but he did have us playing a better brand of football which was pleasing to the eye- if he had stayed i expect we would be around the top 10 right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 11:56:27 AM: Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:55:16 AM
Montbert, There is a link in Cilla's thread, but it's posted in here too a few pages back.

The bit I liked in the interview was when Houllier said something about a 'midfield triangle' It gives you such a lovely image of a midfield with shape!

I saw that. I had an image of Westwood, Delph and the Huge Man Sulla actually providing support in the centre. Quite a thought.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 11:57:23 AM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 11:55:16 AM
Montbert, There is a link in Cilla's thread, but it's posted in here too a few pages back.

The bit I liked in the interview was when Houllier said something about a 'midfield triangle' It gives you such a lovely image of a midfield with shape!

I saw that. I had an image of Westwood, Delph and the Huge Man Sulla actually providing support in the centre. Quite a thought.

Yes a bit of structure would be nice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mr Diggles on January 31, 2013, 11:57:30 AM: AOff topic a little, about Houllier - I was really looking forward to the summer transfers and the team would change before he became ill. Even after that, when McAllister took over for the final few games I was excited about the idea that Houllier could become a football director leaving a coach in charge of the first team. What a disappointment it was then when we ended up with McLeish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:57:50 AM: As the clock hits noon the silence from bodymoor heath is somewhat worrying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 31, 2013, 11:59:03 AM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:57:50 AM
As the clock hits noon the silence from bodymoor heath is somewhat worrying.

Calm before the storm. Incoming, incoming....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 12:01:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:57:50 AM
As the clock hits noon the silence from bodymoor heath is somewhat worrying.

Look on the bright side, by 11pm you'll have gone past 13,000 posts. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:02:46 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:57:50 AM
As the clock hits noon the silence from bodymoor heath is somewhat worrying.

Look on the bright side, by 11pm you'll have gone past 13,000 posts. ;D

You really think im gonna miss emmerdale and eastenders for this? :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 12:03:12 PM: I switched SSN on and the first image was the jellied eel, jellied eye twitching, Jiffy bag smelling, text virgin, crooked cockney bastard.

I'm not going back there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:03:46 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
I switched SSN on and the first image was the jellied eel, jellied eye twitching, Jiffy bag smelling, text virgin, crooked cockney bastard.

I'm not going back there

How was barry fry?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 12:06:35 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:03:46 PM

How was barry fry?

If Bannan ever buys a chip shop, he's gotsta call it that
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 12:08:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: oldham_villa on January 31, 2013, 12:03:12 PM
I switched SSN on and the first image was the jellied eel, jellied eye twitching, Jiffy bag smelling, text virgin, crooked cockney bastard.

I'm not going back there

How was barry fry?

His tracksuit pockets need sowing up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:11:02 PM: Has Warnock gone yet???
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:14:32 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:11:02 PM
Has Warnock gone yet???

No , rumoured to be in talks with 2 championship clubs
Norwich swap morrison for becchio at leeds. Plus cash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:15:38 PM: We should be hearing of links by now if anything is happening - is. Lambert still cooking his porridge?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2013, 12:17:36 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 11:57:50 AM
As the clock hits noon the silence from bodymoor heath is somewhat worrying.

You've forgotten the Faulkner factor.......beware, he's no Steve Stride!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:18:48 PM: AVFC have just emailed me to "offer" a credit card. Are they now expecting ME to pay for new players? If so, all I can realistically afford is God from my old subuteo game. His left hand is missing, and while he did break off from the base during a 2-1 win over Everton, my dad araldite-d him back to fitness and he is as strong as ever. Although I cant shake the feeling that he glued him the wrong way round, so his feet are not only on the wrong legs, but facing the wrong way. The depth of glue makes it difficult to ascertain fact here. Still, he would be a) more useful than Dunne, and b) taller than Bannan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM: One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:21:17 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.

Bent in part ex for a stoke player would be an option though - they want £5m for crouch , uncle arry is stalling.
Probably hes aware that some of villas business may depend on bent going- wily old git will probably sign crouch at 10-59 to leave us high and dry with bent in the reserves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:22:25 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.

Bent in part ex for a stoke player would be an option though - they want £5m for crouch , uncle arry is stalling.

We don't want any players involved if we sell Bent. We just want the cash.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 12:23:08 PM: Straight swap Darren Bent for Nzonzi.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 12:23:56 PM: Selling Bent would be pure folly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM: Bent for Shawcross
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 12:24:39 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 12:23:08 PM
Straight swap Darren Bent for Nzonzi.

*thumbs up*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:24:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 12:23:56 PM
Selling Bent would be pure folly.
Lamberts getting nothing out of him though.he will be sotting on the bench under lambert.
To keep bent you must give him service.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 12:25:13 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.

Bent in part ex for a stoke player would be an option though - they want £5m for crouch , uncle arry is stalling.

Has it been said why Crouch actually wants to move again?
If I'd been replaced with Adebeyour at Spurs by Arry,
I think I'd take my chance to pay him back and stay put.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:25:45 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 12:23:08 PM
Straight swap Darren Bent for Nzonzi.

Sorry but that's a none starter, Nzonzi is the best midfielder we've (Stoke) had for a long time Charlie Adam however....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 12:25:56 PM: Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Bent for Shawcross

Would work in my book. N'zonzi is not convincing at all.
Stoke wouldn't let Shawcross leave unless we threw money at it as well I reckon. Still, why not ask?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:26:17 PM: Quote from: danno on January 31, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.

Bent in part ex for a stoke player would be an option though - they want £5m for crouch , uncle arry is stalling.

Has it been said why Crouch actually wants to move again?
If I'd been replaced with Adebeyour at Spurs by Arry,
I think I'd take my chance to pay him back and stay put.

Harrys had him a few times!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 12:26:35 PM: I would'nt be looking to let anyone go, we need to add to the squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:28:22 PM: Would you be happy to let Bent go?

If so what would be the lowest fee you resonably expect??
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on January 31, 2013, 12:28:28 PM: Have f*ckin' Sky Sports News filmed Jim White entering the building like last window? Jesus.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 12:29:26 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.

The 02/03 transfers for Houllier:

Bruno Cheyrou Lille
Anthony Le Tallec
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Alou Diarra B Munich
Salif Diao

This is the man who paid £10m for Diouf, and £5m for Igor Biscan. 75% of his transfers were absolute garbage, and expensive garbage at that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:29:56 PM: Quote from: DB on January 31, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
Have f*ckin' Sky Sports News filmed Jim White entering the building like last window? Jesus.

Hes tucking into a haggis sandwich at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midian on January 31, 2013, 12:30:42 PM: Looks like Sylla is now signed on his twitter he's holding up a Villa shirt for official photo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 12:30:53 PM: Quote from: DB on January 31, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
Have f*ckin' Sky Sports News filmed Jim White entering the building like last window? Jesus.

Not yet but it's only a matter of time. That really was desperate stuff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM: I'd keep Bent if only because Lambchop won't be here for ever, and when Benteke and co get flogged we'll need a 15 goal a season striker in the championship. Just because the current manager is too clueless to play to his strengths, doesn't mean the next guy will
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:31:46 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Good review of Sylla from Houllier, sounds promising.

From the man who signed some absolute turds at Liverpool, and Makoun at Villa? I'm worried.

He also brought in Bent and Kyle Walker and he wanted Cabaye before he had to leave.

The 02/03 transfers for Houllier:

Bruno Cheyrou Lille
Anthony Le Tallec
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Alou Diarra B Munich
Salif Diao

This is the man who paid £10m for Diouf, and £5m for Igor Biscan. 75% of his transfers were absolute garbage, and expensive garbage at that.

Salif Diao was immense for us (in the championship mind you) helped form the platform that gained promotion and keep us there. (oh and Lee Hendrie on loan ;-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:32:05 PM: Sylla and the shirt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BB8B1mgCUAAd_lM.jpg:large
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 12:32:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: danno on January 31, 2013, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
One more to come in.

We want £10m for Bent. If that happens we could get a couple more.

Bent in part ex for a stoke player would be an option though - they want £5m for crouch , uncle arry is stalling.

Has it been said why Crouch actually wants to move again?
If I'd been replaced with Adebeyour at Spurs by Arry,
I think I'd take my chance to pay him back and stay put.

Harrys had him a few times!

First time he left Portsmouth he was moving up a division
second time at Portsmouth he went to a bigger club in Spurs.
I just thought he might harbour a tiny bit of resentment, for being cast
off by Harry.

But I had forgotten he'd played for QPR before, and I'm sure the bumper
pay day won't put him off either.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 12:33:28 PM: Rory Delap is moving to Barnsley. It's gotten to the stage where I am envious of Barnsley's signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: London Villan on January 31, 2013, 12:33:44 PM: Crouch been cast off has netted him a few million in signing-on fees, he probably loves Harry for moving him around.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:34:40 PM: Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Bent for Shawcross

No offence but why would Shawcross leave for Villa in the present state? Please do not take offence I'm fully aware usually you would be step up from us, but he would only leave us for a top 4 club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 12:35:16 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Rory Delap is moving to Barnsley. It's gotten to the stage where I am envious of Barnsley's signings.

Rory Delap is almost completely talentless.

Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Bent for Shawcross

No offence but why would Shawcross leave for Villa in the present state? Please do not take offence I'm fully aware usually you would be step up from us, but he would only leave us for a top 4 club.

Agreed. We're going to have to be a bit more creative with our centre-back signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 12:36:29 PM: I agree, it's unlikely Shawcross would come here at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:37:11 PM: Mumbles must be tossing his haggis - pull your finger out man!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 12:38:16 PM: WM have said the tescobags could swap Odemwinge for Hoillett at QPR. If the latter's available, we should be interested, surely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:38:30 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Bent for Shawcross

No offence but why would Shawcross leave for Villa in the present state? Please do not take offence I'm fully aware usually you would be step up from us, but he would only leave us for a top 4 club.

What about palacios or upson?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:43:35 PM: I was just about to say Upson would be a good fit for you. I was almost dissapointed when we signed Upson but to be fair he hasn't put a foot wrong and always done well and he would help you now. Not sure why we'd let him go though as he's perfect back up for Huth And Ryan.

Palacios... I was happy to see him come and in flashes hes looked great but never had a run. Pulis said he wasn't fit enough when he came and then never really had a crack at it. Not he's what you want this season you need someone to come in flying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 12:44:07 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 12:24:02 PM
Bent for Shawcross

No offence but why would Shawcross leave for Villa in the present state? Please do not take offence I'm fully aware usually you would be step up from us, but he would only leave us for a top 4 club.
You're right. Massive step down. Hurts to admit it though. Upson is garbage IMO, so I would only want one of your first choice CB's. Neither of which would come or we could afford.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:45:08 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:43:35 PM
I was just about to say Upson would be a good fit for you. I was almost dissapointed when we signed Upson but to be fair he hasn't put a foot wrong and always done well and he would help you now. Not sure why we'd let him go though as he's perfect back up for Huth And Ryan.

Palacios... I was happy to see him come and in flashes hes looked great but never had a run. Pulis said he wasn't fit enough when he came and then never really had a crack at it. Not he's what you want this season you need someone to come in flying.

Superman?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2013, 12:45:14 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd keep Bent if only because Lambchop won't be here for ever, and when Benteke and co get flogged we'll need a 15 goal a season striker in the championship. Just because the current manager is too clueless to play to his strengths, doesn't mean the next guy will

Bang on
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:47:55 PM: I judged upson before he signed for us watching him get murdered by great players playing England he his much better than that in the prem he is good, and he experienced.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 12:48:06 PM: Quote from: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Rory Delap is moving to Barnsley. It's gotten to the stage where I am envious of Barnsley's signings.

He is hopeless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:48:14 PM: Do you honestly believe if we go down that we can afford to pay Bent £80k a week, IF he could not care less now, how motivated would BENT be playing for us in Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:48:59 PM: Surely lambert doesnt think sylla is all that we require?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 12:49:08 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd keep Bent if only because Lambchop won't be here for ever, and when Benteke and co get flogged we'll need a 15 goal a season striker in the championship. Just because the current manager is too clueless to play to his strengths, doesn't mean the next guy will

Bang on

Considering how he engineered his move from Sunderland, I'd be astounded if he played a game in the championship.
Our relegation would mean our asking price would drop, and so would his wage demands, he would be off-ski.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:49:40 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 12:43:35 PM
I was just about to say Upson would be a good fit for you. I was almost dissapointed when we signed Upson but to be fair he hasn't put a foot wrong and always done well and he would help you now. Not sure why we'd let him go though as he's perfect back up for Huth And Ryan.

Palacios... I was happy to see him come and in flashes hes looked great but never had a run. Pulis said he wasn't fit enough when he came and then never really had a crack at it. Not he's what you want this season you need someone to come in flying.

Superman?
You know what I mean, you can't risk him taking 5 games to get into it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:50:08 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd keep Bent if only because Lambchop won't be here for ever, and when Benteke and co get flogged we'll need a 15 goal a season striker in the championship. Just because the current manager is too clueless to play to his strengths, doesn't mean the next guy will

Bang on

Nonsense pessimism. Do you really think Bent would hang around if we got relegated? The answer is no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 12:52:25 PM: Defender please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 12:53:43 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 12:38:16 PM
WM have said the tescobags could swap Odemwinge for Hoillett at QPR. If the latter's available, we should be interested, surely?

Great deal 4 the baggies IMO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:53:44 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd keep Bent if only because Lambchop won't be here for ever, and when Benteke and co get flogged we'll need a 15 goal a season striker in the championship. Just because the current manager is too clueless to play to his strengths, doesn't mean the next guy will

Bang on

Nonsense pessimism. Do you really think Bent would hang around if we got relegated? The answer is no.

We would need to sell him to recoup some of our losses, get him off the bill and he would demand to leave anyway .
Benteke would probably be off too and with weimann only 1yr on his contract left he may also go - leaving us with the prolific gabby and his 2 goals in 35 league games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 12:54:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 12:52:25 PM
Defender please.

Defensive coach please.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 31, 2013, 12:54:21 PM: Stoke fan at work said that he doesn't rate Shawcross. Personally I think he's good in the air, but can be quite rash in the tackle (no sniggering back there).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:54:55 PM: Does not look as though Warnock is leaving us - this has been posted in the Yorkshire Post

11.40am: We understand that Leeds United have been given a 12pm deadline to complete the Stephen Warnock from aAston Villa deal. Which basically means 20 minutes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:55:08 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Do you honestly believe if we go down that we can afford to pay Bent £80k a week, IF he could not care less now, how motivated would BENT be playing for us in Championship.

We'd have no choice because his wages would make him unsellable to anyone who would want him. The likes of Benteke on lower wages would be the assets that would be flogged
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 12:56:43 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Does not look as though Warnock is leaving us - this has been posted in the Yorkshire Post

11.40am: We understand that Leeds United have been given a 12pm deadline to complete the Stephen Warnock from aAston Villa deal. Which basically means 20 minutes

If not, he'll go to West Ham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:57:21 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Do you honestly believe if we go down that we can afford to pay Bent £80k a week, IF he could not care less now, how motivated would BENT be playing for us in Championship.

We'd have no choice because his wages would make him unsellable to anyone who would want him. The likes of Benteke on lower wages would be the assets that would be flogged

I think bent would attract a buyer - we would probably get £8m though if lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 12:57:52 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Does not look as though Warnock is leaving us - this has been posted in the Yorkshire Post

11.40am: We understand that Leeds United have been given a 12pm deadline to complete the Stephen Warnock from aAston Villa deal. Which basically means 20 minutes

So that we can scramble around for 11 hours looking for some more "young gems"?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 12:57:59 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Does not look as though Warnock is leaving us - this has been posted in the Yorkshire Post

11.40am: We understand that Leeds United have been given a 12pm deadline to complete the Stephen Warnock from aAston Villa deal. Which basically means 20 minutes

If not, he'll go to West Ham.

Would fat sam take him after being snubbed?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 12:58:42 PM: Surely if we were going to sign anybody else we would know about it by now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 12:59:06 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
Surely if we were going to sign anybody else we would know about it by now?

No.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 12:59:29 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on January 31, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Do you honestly believe if we go down that we can afford to pay Bent £80k a week, IF he could not care less now, how motivated would BENT be playing for us in Championship.

We'd have no choice because his wages would make him unsellable to anyone who would want him. The likes of Benteke on lower wages would be the assets that would be flogged

I'm sure Bent would be able to find someone in the Premier league to pay him £50k - £60k a week and he'll want to be playing in the top division to get back into the England set up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 12:59:49 PM: I think a lot depends on whether Bent goes to Stoke. That's the only cash we probably have left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 01:00:04 PM: Have we swapped Bent with Stoke in exchange for one of their supporters?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:00:21 PM: I think we'd get around £12m for Bent if he left.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:00:37 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
Surely if we were going to sign anybody else we would know about it by now?

No.

Many times seen players training as normal and then things happen about 5pm- there is still plenty of time, once the domino effect begins we can see lots of quick deals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:02:22 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on January 31, 2013, 12:54:21 PM
Stoke fan at work said that he doesn't rate Shawcross. Personally I think he's good in the air, but can be quite rash in the tackle (no sniggering back there).

Your Stoke fan is in the minority then. He his great in the air but also his postional sense is great. Tackling and blocking shots he is brilliant at. His only weakness is his passing out from the back which is improving and would only be better playing for a top top side with better midfield than ours. (Stokes)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 01:02:37 PM: Not looking promising in respect to getting others in but then again this time yesterday 99.9% of all Villa fans did not know who Sylla was!!!

Perhaps we will have a CB coming in again who none of us have ever heard of
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 01:03:03 PM: Anybody else expecting a parting shot if Bent leaves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 01:03:49 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
Surely if we were going to sign anybody else we would know about it by now?

Well Sylla came from nowhere so who knows.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:04:03 PM: There could be deals done at midnight and the first you'd hear of it is when its annouced.
We probably hear 10% of what goes on, if that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on January 31, 2013, 01:05:00 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
Anybody else expecting a parting shot if Bent leaves?

would you blame him? everything about this club has stank for the last 2 years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 01:05:26 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
Have we swapped Bent with Stoke in exchange for one of their supporters?

He's contributing more to the cause than Bent at the moment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM: We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:06:45 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
Have we swapped Bent with Stoke in exchange for one of their supporters?

No I'm a good footballer, but I'd need a lot of cash to force the Bent deal though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:09:22 PM: I believe jim white is in the car park- cue the fanfare!
Calling clampy and his bagpipes at the ready.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 01:11:57 PM: Pete Colley tweeted that he'd been told Bent wasn't leaving earlier

@petecolley: Being told Bent stays!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 31, 2013, 01:12:47 PM: Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)
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Yeah, Manchester City never pay way over the odds for a player.... :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:13:25 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

No offence but however bad things are here i feel sorry for you having to watch such shit football week in week out every year - if stoke played in my garden i would draw the curtains - horrible stigma on football!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 01:13:56 PM: I would still take Palacios. Better than our other options. Jones and Palacios plus a couple of million for Bent would be a good deal for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on January 31, 2013, 01:14:11 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on January 31, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
Anybody else expecting a parting shot if Bent leaves?

would you blame him? everything about this club has stank for the last 2 years.
During which time he's drawn £8.3m in wages - been shopping when there's a game on - and gone missing when he was due to be playing as well
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:14:53 PM: Express and Star say our January Transfer budget is £3m.
I'm expecting one more signing, a cheapy £1-2m Sylla type.

Heady days indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:15:24 PM: Quote from: lsvilla on January 31, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on January 31, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
Anybody else expecting a parting shot if Bent leaves?

would you blame him? everything about this club has stank for the last 2 years.
During which time he's drawn £8.3m in wages - been shopping when there's a game on - and gone missing when he was due to be playing as well

When did he go missing when due to play?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM: The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:16:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 01:13:56 PM
I would still take Palacios. Better than our other options. Jones and Palacios plus a couple of million for Bent would be a good deal for us.

Noooooooooo, sorry Ozzjim but that sounds dreadful. Kenwyne Jones belongs in the Championship, he's absolute shite (in my opinion of course).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 01:16:36 PM: Is anyone at bodymoor any sign of any action?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 31, 2013, 01:16:48 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: lsvilla on January 31, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on January 31, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
Anybody else expecting a parting shot if Bent leaves?

would you blame him? everything about this club has stank for the last 2 years.
During which time he's drawn £8.3m in wages - been shopping when there's a game on - and gone missing when he was due to be playing as well

When did he go missing when due to play?

I thought he meant metaphorically missing...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 01:17:31 PM: Defender please, on loan or permanent I don't care.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 01:18:35 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on January 31, 2013, 12:54:21 PM
Stoke fan at work said that he doesn't rate Shawcross. Personally I think he's good in the air, but can be quite rash in the tackle (no sniggering back there).

Your Stoke fan is in the minority then. He his great in the air but also his postional sense is great. Tackling and blocking shots he is brilliant at. His only weakness is his passing out from the back which is improving and would only be better playing for a top top side with better midfield than ours. (Stokes)
From what I hear and see about Shawcross and Stoke, that bloke who doesn't rate him would be like a Villa fan saying he didn't rate Laursenfive years ago. He's immense for Stoke
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 01:19:33 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

I never believe that anyone other than Lambert, Faulkner & Lerner know what our transfer budget is. Just speculation
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:19:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

No offence but however bad things are here i feel sorry for you having to watch such shit football week in week out every year - if stoke played in my garden i would draw the curtains - horrible stigma on football!

Ok I respect your opinion, I beg to differ as we sometimes do play some good stuff, but we have certainly regressed lately as we have tried to change systems to fit Adam in etc.

I came on to see your opinion onmBent nothing more but answered a question, please look at my first explaination for why a player wouldn't leave us for you at the min. Certainly no dig, infact look at all my 200+ posts on here and you won't find a disrespectful one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

If true then that would be shocking in the extreme and we might as well give up now.
I cannot see that being true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:21:17 PM: I'd rather we kept Bent and tried to get the best out of him. We know he can score goals. If he goes now, who are we going to get in to replace him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:21:50 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

Thing is though geezer, we are talking about an England striker here, one of the best goalscoring records in the prem league we paid approx £20m for and quite rightly at the time. Just because he's had a couple of injuries and been mismanaged at times here doesn't mean that he's not still valuable. I'd love to keep him but if we aren't going to use him properly we need to cash in and get the players we are desperate for. You don't have anyone in your squad that is a better prospect than Bent, so if Stoke want him badly enough we should be taking our pick. Depending of course if the players will come to us in the middle of a relegation fight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:22:19 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

No offence but however bad things are here i feel sorry for you having to watch such shit football week in week out every year - if stoke played in my garden i would draw the curtains - horrible stigma on football!

Ok I respect your opinion, I beg to differ as we sometimes do play some good stuff, but we have certainly regressed lately as we have tried to change systems to fit Adam in etc.

I came on to see your opinion onmBent nothing more but answered a question, please look at my first explaination for why a player wouldn't leave us for you at the min. Certainly no dig, infact look at all my 200+ posts on here and you won't find a disrespectful one.

I respect you sir, i dont have time for your teams brand of football, i accept that players of quality would not leave stoke for villa .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:23:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

If true then that would be shocking in the extreme and we might as well give up now.
I cannot see that being true.

We'll see tonight.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 01:23:19 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
Express and Star say our January Transfer budget is £3m.
I'm expecting one more signing, a cheapy £1-2m Sylla type.

Heady days indeed.

That is indeed worth a lol in its appallingness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:23:29 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

I never believe that anyone other than Lambert, Faulkner & Lerner know what our transfer budget is. Just speculation

Of course. But it's a pretty precise figure quoted by a journalist who covers Villa every day, so ballpark it might not be too wide of the mark. And it would correspondent neatly between the 'barely any money' line Lambert has used, and the 'there is money' theory coming from elsewhere/Lerner's statement. There is money. But not a lot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 01:24:44 PM: If that is the case then I'd cash Bent in for a few players from Sturk and pick another up on loan.

They've not got many I'd like mind. Adam, N'Zonzi and Shawcross being three I'd like, but I'd doubt they sell any of them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 01:25:04 PM: Curtis Davies heading to Norwich. Think we should go for him - 2m is peanuts and should fit into the wage structure. Needs must and he is better than what we have
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:26:10 PM: Wilson Palacios left in his Rolls Royce driven by his agent. #Stoke #bbctransfernews
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 01:27:08 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

If true then that would be shocking in the extreme and we might as well give up now.
I cannot see that being true.
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

If true then that would be shocking in the extreme and we might as well give up now.
I cannot see that being true.
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

If true then that would be shocking in the extreme and we might as well give up now.
I cannot see that being true.

I sincerely hope that isn't true but if it is we can kiss the Premier League goodbye.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 01:27:32 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Wilson Palacios left in his Rolls Royce driven by his agent. #Stoke #bbctransfernews

I would like him to be coming to us, but there hasn't actually been a solid rumour to that effect, has there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:27:56 PM: Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
Curtis Davies heading to Norwich. Think we should go for him - 2m is peanuts and should fit into the wage structure. Needs must and he is better than what we have

I would'nt have been against him coming in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:28:26 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

No offence but however bad things are here i feel sorry for you having to watch such shit football week in week out every year - if stoke played in my garden i would draw the curtains - horrible stigma on football!

Ok I respect your opinion, I beg to differ as we sometimes do play some good stuff, but we have certainly regressed lately as we have tried to change systems to fit Adam in etc.

I came on to see your opinion onmBent nothing more but answered a question, please look at my first explaination for why a player wouldn't leave us for you at the min. Certainly no dig, infact look at all my 200+ posts on here and you won't find a disrespectful one.

I respect you sir, i dont have time for your teams brand of football, i accept that players of quality would not leave stoke for villa .

Fair enough Eastie :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:28:41 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:23:29 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

I never believe that anyone other than Lambert, Faulkner & Lerner know what our transfer budget is. Just speculation

Of course. But it's a pretty precise figure quoted by a journalist who covers Villa every day, so ballpark it might not be too wide of the mark. And it would correspondent neatly between the 'barely any money' line Lambert has used, and the 'there is money' theory coming from elsewhere/Lerner's statement. There is money. But not a lot.
3 mil for a premier league club to spend in January is a bloody joke and an insult to all of us concerned with Villa. IMO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2013, 01:31:16 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
The E&S have said Lambert has a budget of £3m, so he has £1m left if accurate. Gotta be very creative now, maybe it'll be a loan or someone out and cash/player in.

I never believe that anyone other than Lambert, Faulkner & Lerner know what our transfer budget is. Just speculation

Somebody at the E&S must have put the question to Lambert and got the response..

"Hiie fukatieeie i cabiriete tri".

Now that could translate to 'budget of 3 million' or it could mean 'mind your own business' or even..... 'have you ever tossed a caber'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:31:45 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 01:27:08 PM
I sincerely hope that isn't true but if it is we can kiss the Premier League goodbye.
Sorry to be a grumpy chops, but I already have.

Does anybody seriously think we're going to sign the adequate experience and quality we need today?

The Lerner's not for turning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 01:31:51 PM: I dont think Shawcross would come, but he would be my choice signing from Stoke. His positional play is excellent, and he knows exactly how much pulling and barging he can get away with. Watch how frustrated players get with him, and end up fouling and giving away free kicks themselves. I think he is a defensive leader, a future england ever present. And id love him to be wearing Claret and Blue for all our remaining defensive set pieces and corners.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SuperSub on January 31, 2013, 01:32:20 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 01:27:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Wilson Palacios left in his Rolls Royce driven by his agent. #Stoke #bbctransfernews

I would like him to be coming to us, but there hasn't actually been a solid rumour to that effect, has there?

Follow that car! I'd take him too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:32:58 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
We should be looking to get a couple of experienced Stoke defenders/midfielders as part of the deal. Huth springs to mind for starters, and maybe take a chance on Palacios (if he's still there?).

That Walters bloke even maybe.

Huth wouldn't leave us for you. no offence for reasons I've already stated.
I've answered the Palacious one above, and you or for that matter Manchester City haven't enough cash to get Pulis to sell his favourite player. :)

Thing is though geezer, we are talking about an England striker here, one of the best goalscoring records in the prem league we paid approx £20m for and quite rightly at the time. Just because he's had a couple of injuries and been mismanaged at times here doesn't mean that he's not still valuable. I'd love to keep him but if we aren't going to use him properly we need to cash in and get the players we are desperate for. You don't have anyone in your squad that is a better prospect than Bent, so if Stoke want him badly enough we should be taking our pick. Depending of course if the players will come to us in the middle of a relegation fight.

I agree with you, i just think that with our style and defensive mindedness, we couldn't wouldn't shouldn't risk swapping a better stiker than what we have for one of the lynchpins to our relative sucess.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:33:47 PM: Peter crouch and harry redknapp both leave training grounds - next stop watford gap?
Or an afternoon session with abbey clancy?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM: Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 01:34:33 PM: The 3m being mentioned is probably correct IMO. We'll only spend more if Bent goes. As I have said before, sell-to-buy policy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:35:39 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
Sorry to be a grumpy chops, but I already have.

Does anybody seriously think we're going to sign the adequate experience and quality we need today?

The Lerner's not for turning.

Me too, I'm afraid. Other clubs doing more than us to strengthen. I never expected any significant signings to be made, because I never thought the funds were/are there. Sylla at least gives us another option in an area we're light in, and he sounds the type we need, but he's again one for the long-term. We might get a CB in on loan perhaps (the link with Rolando suggests this) but that's all I'm expecting.

We'll find out by midnight, but I think we'll more or less go with what we've got.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:35:55 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.

If Shotton left Stoke, who would take over their long throw tactic?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:36:48 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.

Shotton and Palacious would make sense to them, I really don't think he's what Villa need you need and instant impact and true leader.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:37:57 PM: Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.

Shotton and Palacious would make sense to them, I really don't think he's what Villa need you need and instant impact and true leader.

Have you seen how shit our midfield are though?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM: I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:38:47 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.

I think so as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:38:56 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.

If Shotton left Stoke, who would take over their long throw tactic?

W don't really use it any more Shotton's don't lead to much usually any way. think the long throw should be consigned to the bin exept for last 5 minute emergencies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 01:39:29 PM: I have the uncomfortable feeling that our signings this window aren't to keep us up, but to prepare for our tenure in the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:39:43 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.
You may be right.
So how much do you think we'll fork out then?

Some of the names mentioned on this thread are pure fantasy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:40:15 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.

Im with you maz.
Anything less than £10m spent is totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM: Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:42:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Two Stoke players to Blues on loan in the proposed Butland deal. Shotton and one other.

Crouch also left Stoke training. QPR bound maybe.

Shotton and Palacious would make sense to them, I really don't think he's what Villa need you need and instant impact and true leader.

Have you seen how shit our midfield are though?

I would have had a wet dream if Ireland would have come to us a year or so ago.
Palacious may help but you need a Scott Parker a real solid immediate proffesional. And I hope for Villa's sake you pull up all the stops to get one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:42:39 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

He must be about 50 by now, hadn't he?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:43:09 PM: BBC East are reporting Bent has arrived at Carrow Road, Norwich for medical. Shudder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:43:30 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

Is'nt he about 40 now? I've not heard his name for years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:43:35 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
BBC East are reporting Bent has arrived at Carrow Road, Norwich for medical. Shudder.

No way- link?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 01:45:10 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
BBC East are reporting Bent has arrived at Carrow Road, Norwich for medical. Shudder.

Fascinating. Don't they hate him for his Ipswich connections?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 01:45:22 PM: Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98
I did sign him on FM2013. Aged 41, with a Pace of 1, I played him behind my two strikers and he ran the show. And got injured a lot.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:46:07 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

Is'nt he about 40 now? I've not heard his name for years.

41!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:47:11 PM: Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 31, 2013, 01:48:29 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

At least our physios would have their hands full :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:03 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98
I did sign him on FM2013. Aged 41, with a Pace of 1, I played him behind my two strikers and he ran the show. And got injured a lot.
I had to quit CM/FM around 2005 due to a worsening Vitamin D defieciency, never did manage to sign him though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:49:19 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.

Maybe, Maz. And I really hope so too. But we know that the manager has been unable to pursue certain targets for financial reasons, so there are restrictions, and we know Sissoko was one of those, who cost £2.5-£3m (by all accounts).

No-one but three or four people know for sure, so there's a lot of guesswork at play but I haven't seen anything so far to suggest we've got much more than that kind of figure. Lambert has said we can't make a £6m signing. I don't think it's as high as £10m, or we'd have been in stronger for Sissoko IMO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:49:20 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
BBC East are reporting Bent has arrived at Carrow Road, Norwich for medical. Shudder.

Marcus?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM: Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
What a game!! Remember Kick Off on the Amiga 500?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM: Bent going to Norwich!? Is there no-one with less money than us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:50:35 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
BBC East are reporting Bent has arrived at Carrow Road, Norwich for medical. Shudder.

Er, what? No way. Oh, I see your name.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 01:50:51 PM: Palacios will be going to QPR surely? Former 'Arry signing and on big wages. Right up their street.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:51:14 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.

Maybe, Maz. And I really hope so too. But we know that the manager has been unable to pursue certain targets for financial reasons, so there are restrictions, and we know Sissoko was one of those, who cost £2.5-£3m (by all accounts).

No-one but three or four people know for sure, so there's a lot of guesswork at play but I haven't seen anything so far to suggest we've got much more than that kind of figure. Lambert has said we can't make a £6m signing. I don't think it's as high as £10m, or we'd have been in stronger for Sissoko IMO.

Sissoko was never going to come here , he refused to speak to qpr, he said he chose newcastle because of the large french contingent - also 6 yr deal .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:51:21 PM: Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
What a game!! Remember Kick Off on the Amiga 500?

How could I forget it, mate. Kick Off 2 and Player Manager were superb!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:52:08 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Bent going to Norwich!? Is there no-one with less money than us?
Yes
Zimbabwe

bbc.co.uk/news

Zimbabwe says public account stood at $217 last week

Zimbabwe's Finance Minister Tendai Biti has said that the country only had $217 (£138) left in its public account last week after paying civil servants.

However, he said that the following day some $30m of revenue had been paid in.

Mr Biti told the BBC he made the revelation in order to emphasise that the government was unable to finance elections, not that it was insolvent.

Polls are due this year, with President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF fighting Mr Biti's Movement for Democratic Change.

Mr Biti has previously complained that diamond mining companies have not been paying revenues to the government.

The power-sharing government set up in 2009 ended years of hyperinflation by using the US dollar, but the economy remains fragile
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:52:14 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
I'm going to stick my neck out and say the the E&S transfer kitty thing is utter bollocks.
You may be right.
So how much do you think we'll fork out then?

Some of the names mentioned on this thread are pure fantasy.

I thinks its more a case of who is available. But I wouldn't say having circa £10m to spend is out of the question. More if we let anybody go obviously.
The Dempsey bid in the summer wasn't a bluff. That money is still available I believe.

Of course, it doesn't mean we will spend all that but my god he's got to get a couple more in. At least a quality centre half.
Loans are always an option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:53:02 PM: Its true norwich have money as they tried for hooper - would lambert maybe take anyone in part ex from them ?
Holt , hoolahan?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:53:55 PM: Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
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Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
What a game!! Remember Kick Off on the Amiga 500?

How could I forget it, mate. Kick Off 2 and Player Manager were superb!

Great games. The 20 year olds in our office are giving me the quizzical "you what, grandad?", they know nothing outside of FIFA
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 01:54:07 PM: The problem is more likely to be when you're offering £20k per week in wages.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:54:53 PM: Trying to find link - was a mate who just called me lives in Norwich. He says was on BBC East radio. No idea how much truth is in it but he isn't a BSer usually. Id be shocked if he let Bent go unless he had someone lined up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:55:56 PM: Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
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Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
What a game!! Remember Kick Off on the Amiga 500?

How could I forget it, mate. Kick Off 2 and Player Manager were superb!

Great games. The 20 year olds in our office are giving me the quizzical "you what, grandad?", they know nothing outside of FIFA

Kids of today, eh?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:56:22 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Bent going to Norwich!? Is there no-one with less money than us?
Yes
Zimbabwe

bbc.co.uk/news

Zimbabwe says public account stood at $217 last week

Zimbabwe's Finance Minister Tendai Biti has said that the country only had $217 (£138) left in its public account last week after paying civil servants.

However, he said that the following day some $30m of revenue had been paid in.

Mr Biti told the BBC he made the revelation in order to emphasise that the government was unable to finance elections, not that it was insolvent.

Polls are due this year, with President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF fighting Mr Biti's Movement for Democratic Change.

Mr Biti has previously complained that diamond mining companies have not been paying revenues to the government.

The power-sharing government set up in 2009 ended years of hyperinflation by using the US dollar, but the economy remains fragile

Greetings Mr Fletcher

I bring you glad tidings of an opportunity not to be missed. I represent the gvernment of Zimbabwe, and I need your help with a pressing matter concerning some public funds. We have 200,567,892,345,756 Zimbabwean dollars (about US$217) we need to move out of the country. For your part in this plan, we will give you the entire country to own.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Situation on January 31, 2013, 01:56:33 PM: We need to sign a central defender otherwise we are doomed with our current defense how it is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 01:57:31 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 01:54:53 PM
Trying to find link

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:57:31 PM: We need at least 2 or 3 in the few hours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 01:58:05 PM: Champ Man 2000 was my favourite one. I took Villa to about 4 consecutive Champ's League wins in that. Tonton Zola Moukoko scored something like 50 every season....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:58:38 PM: Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on January 31, 2013, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
Jari Litmanen anybody. Just seen it as a possible on another sport forum.

I tried so hard to sign him on Championship Manager 98

I'm going back earlier than that, Mike. Thinking Sensible World of Soccer.
What a game!! Remember Kick Off on the Amiga 500?

How could I forget it, mate. Kick Off 2 and Player Manager were superb!

Great games. The 20 year olds in our office are giving me the quizzical "you what, grandad?", they know nothing outside of FIFA

Kids of today, eh?
We can file it under the Utter Crap section of this forum. Rumbled ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:58:43 PM: Jim white has arrived in the building - i have 6/1 on blue tie .
If bbc norwich were reporting bent having a medical it would have been picked up elsewhere by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM: Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 02:00:02 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 01:58:38 PM
We can file it under the Utter Crap section of this forum. Rumbled ;D

Classic, Dan!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 02:01:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 01:58:43 PM

If bbc norwich were reporting bent having a medical it would have been picked up elsewhere by now.

Is the right answer. Nothing get's past you does it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 02:01:28 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.

No,striker was the best , where you pressed their heads to kick the ball- brilliant!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 02:01:41 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Bent going to Norwich!? Is there no-one with less money than us?
Yes
Zimbabwe

bbc.co.uk/news

Zimbabwe says public account stood at $217 last week

Zimbabwe's Finance Minister Tendai Biti has said that the country only had $217 (£138) left in its public account last week after paying civil servants.

However, he said that the following day some $30m of revenue had been paid in.

Mr Biti told the BBC he made the revelation in order to emphasise that the government was unable to finance elections, not that it was insolvent.

Polls are due this year, with President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF fighting Mr Biti's Movement for Democratic Change.

Mr Biti has previously complained that diamond mining companies have not been paying revenues to the government.

The power-sharing government set up in 2009 ended years of hyperinflation by using the US dollar, but the economy remains fragile

They got 30m paid in the next day though. I'd imagine Lerner will announce a similar transfer budget tomorrow, to cover the period 1st Feb-19th May
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 02:01:52 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.

Never played the speccie football games. Too busy with Horace Goes Skiing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 02:02:11 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.

Now that was a game! I remember Eric Gates as the costliest buy in the transfer market at the start.

Did you really live round the corner from him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:03:32 PM: sunderland sign Graham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 02:05:10 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.

Now your talking - happy memories indeed - and totally realistic - never could win the bloody FA cup!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 02:05:28 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 01:59:42 PM
Pah, kids......I remember the original Football Manager on the ZX Spectrum, complete with stickmen action replays of the goals. I lived round the corner from Kevin Toms who wrote it.

Never played the speccie football games. Too busy with Horace Goes Skiing.

And Elite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 02:05:28 PM: You have to hand it to Beckhams PR team, they know when to get maximum exposure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2013, 02:07:26 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
I have the uncomfortable feeling that our signings this window aren't to keep us up, but to prepare for our tenure in the Championship.

I was going to post something similar; only I was going to wait until nearer the deadline if the situation had stayed the same or if anyone of similar ilk had been signed.

Sadly, I think any incoming players are not for survival purposes but more a contingency for life in the championship. Sorry for being a defeatist.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 02:08:38 PM: Quote
Zimbabwe says public account stood at $217 last week

Dunno why we're laughing. George Osborne said the other day that Britain is £2.3 trillion overdrawn
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 31, 2013, 02:09:03 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
sunderland sign Graham

That's the MON we all know, I almost thought he'd been replaced by imposter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 02:18:46 PM: Norwich bid for Hooper rejected. Them and Stoke or QPR could be in for Bent later.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 02:19:30 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 31, 2013, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
sunderland sign Graham

That's the MON we all know, I almost thought he'd been replaced by imposter.
Watch him score a brace against us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM: Malouda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 02:23:26 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 02:18:46 PM
Norwich bid for Hooper rejected. Them and Stoke or QPR could be in for Bent later.
probably cash in at 10-59 too late to spend the money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 02:23:55 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Malouda.

What about him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 02:24:22 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Malouda.

Mentioned a lot 2 days ago but all quiet since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 31, 2013, 02:25:28 PM: If he coming here he being very quiet about it was at training as normal today ,posted on his twitter account
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 02:26:06 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Malouda.

More like Delouda.

I'm here all week...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:26:46 PM: Nothings gonna happen is it? :(. Fully expect around 10pm tonight we announce we're signing a 19 year old German second division centre half for £750k who made 3 appearances for the under 18 national side 2 years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:29:05 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Malouda.

What about him?

Booked for a medical. Loan deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 02:29:39 PM: According to who?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 02:29:47 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:26:46 PM
Nothings gonna happen is it? :(. Fully expect around 10pm tonight we announce we're signing a 19 year old German second division centre half for £750k who made 3 appearances for the under 18 national side 2 years ago.

Fuck how did ypu find out about that - i heard it was top secret.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 02:32:09 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
Malouda.

What about him?

Booked for a medical. Loan deal.

Strongly linked 2 days ago but when i asked pat murphy before the newcastle game he reckoned not a lambert type of player.

I rate malouda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on January 31, 2013, 02:35:53 PM: Malouda has a great future behind him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:36:18 PM: Malouda could fit perfectly into our 5-0-5 formation or our 4-0-6 depending on the situation/desperation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:36:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 02:29:39 PM
According to who?

A guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 02:41:47 PM: Paul 'no wingers' Lambert to sign a winger? And a 32-year-old at that? I'd be surprised, but he might add something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM: Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 02:43:31 PM: You spoke to Pat Murphy? Cor! Is he cuddlier in real life?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 02:45:24 PM: Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

Well, The Big Show off of WWE was suggested on the Sylla thread......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 02:46:10 PM: Malouda would be ace, but it won't happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on January 31, 2013, 02:46:20 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

Well, The Big Show off of WWE was suggested on the Sylla thread......

The Big Show would at least add some physicality and fight into our midfield...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 02:46:39 PM: I disagree I think he is exactly what we need. An experienced creative player who WILL be hungry to try his hardest as he will need a new club at the end of the season.

UTV.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on January 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM: Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

I agree.
We need young, hungry players
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 02:50:16 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

Well, The Big Show off of WWE was suggested on the Sylla thread......

Fighters, not big actors.

Not that I'd take on the Big Show mano-a-mano, mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 31, 2013, 02:50:30 PM: A younger Richard Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2013, 02:50:50 PM: Quote from: nigel on January 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

I agree.
We need young, hungry players

Yes, and look where that policy of "young and hungry" has landed us: 19th place. Experience is essential to guide these young players and instill some much-needed confidence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:51:45 PM: Malouda no

Malouda and Palacio on loan yes ok .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:53:11 PM: Im all for experience but I dont regard him as someone who will get stuck in............I can see the comments now Malouda did f all and just wondered around the pitch ............... if he is our only option hes better than nothing but I think theres better options
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 02:53:25 PM: Anyone who's seen our lack of drive and skill in the final third would be absolutely mad to turn down Malouda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 02:54:11 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on January 31, 2013, 02:50:50 PM
Quote from: nigel on January 31, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Loxton01 on January 31, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Malouda is not what we need at all. Journeyman who wont be up for the fight

We need fighters

I agree.
We need young, hungry players

Yes, and look where that policy of "young and hungry" has landed us: 19th place. Experience is essential to guide these young players and instill some much-needed confidence.
You missed the sarcasm.

IMO we have to go one way or the other, because established experienced players between the ages of 25 and 30 that are any good will be regulars in teams way above us at the moment
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 02:55:08 PM: Quote from: Jarpie on January 31, 2013, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
sunderland sign Graham

That's the MON we all know, I almost thought he'd been replaced by imposter.

Danny Graham is a quality signing for them - would have been for us. I know we are holding out for quality though, like French 2nd Division players so we need to have patience.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 31, 2013, 02:55:29 PM: Isn't Malouda a hard worker on and off the pitch? Not noticed him as someone hiding or relaxing on field.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:55:55 PM: I think Malouda is a fine player but If they want to throw Essien in too , so be it .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 31, 2013, 02:58:18 PM: Danny Graham is a quality signing for them - would have been for us. I know we are holding out for quality though, like French 2nd Division players so we need to have patience.
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He wanted to go back to the North East for family reasons, would never have been an option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM: I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Darlo Dave on January 31, 2013, 02:59:22 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
I think Malouda is a fine player but If they want to throw Essien in too , so be it .

Think Essien is on loan at Madrid. The delights of B6 would tept him though, I'm sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 02:59:41 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
I think Malouda is a fine player but If they want to throw Essien in too , so be it .

Essien plays for Real Madrid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Glenn Peen on January 31, 2013, 03:01:40 PM: My ITK (I Touch Kit Kats) has just seen Neil Ward Dutton getting out of a taxi while doing a sly piss-poo. I don't need to say any more but expect Martin Butler and Didier Agathe to be showing up at Villa Park very soon with a large bag of coins and a Twix.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 03:02:44 PM: It baffles me the pretence of some fans with regards to Malouda.

"We need a creative experienced player!"

"OK here's one potentially."

"No."

Some people......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 03:02:55 PM: Quote
I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger..

..hungry players?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:03:39 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

The way he spat his dummy out when questioned by Kendrick would be his reaction I imagine to an experienced, respected player telling him 5 at the back isn't working, again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 03:05:21 PM: Quote from: Glenn Peen on January 31, 2013, 03:01:40 PM
My ITK (I Touch Kit Kats) has just seen Neil Ward Dutton getting out of a taxi while doing a sly piss-poo. I don't need to say any more but expect Martin Butler and Didier Agathe to be showing up at Villa Park very soon with a large bag of coins and a Twix.

Ha......... ha...........

ha........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:05:33 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?
It's largely his choice I feel, as he clearly stated in the Summer
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 03:08:13 PM: Twitters crashed, can't get any updates
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 31, 2013, 03:08:14 PM: Deadline day has killed Twitter ..site down
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:08:48 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?
It's largely his choice I feel, as he clearly stated in the Summer

Where and when did he say that?

Not trying to argue with you, but if that was stated I missed it. And it also wouldn't tie in with the move for Dempsey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somebody_Told_Me on January 31, 2013, 03:10:02 PM: We (Stoke) have signed Butland, off SHA as you call them, no players involved so Palacious still free.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2013, 03:10:14 PM: Quote from: Glenn Peen on January 31, 2013, 03:01:40 PM
My ITK (I Touch Kit Kats) has just seen Neil Ward Dutton getting out of a taxi while doing a sly piss-poo. I don't need to say any more but expect Martin Butler and Didier Agathe to be showing up at Villa Park very soon with a large bag of coins and a Twix.

Still doing your poo jokes Glen? Brilliant.

My two kids are off primary school today too. A 'teacher training day' apparantly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:11:08 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on January 31, 2013, 03:08:14 PM
Deadline day has killed Twitter ..site down

Probably the best outcome we could have expected from today 8)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 03:11:12 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
I think Malouda is a fine player but If they want to throw Essien in too , so be it .

Essien plays for Real Madrid.

did they buy him or loan him ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:11:39 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

Good Point - very well made
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:12:28 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

It would appear they've got even shitter now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 03:12:35 PM: i bet Huddlestone or Palacious will come on loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:12:41 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

He hasnt exactly got the best out of them though has he ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 03:12:52 PM: I would also argue that perhaps the most difficult among them, N'Zogbia, has recently been playing football for us there was never a hint of under Eck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:13:07 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 03:12:35 PM
i bet Huddlestone or Palacious will come on loan

Huddlestone in talks with fulham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM: Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:15:25 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
I would also argue that perhaps the most difficult among them, N'Zogbia, has recently been playing football for us there was never a hint of under Eck.

Probably because we dare to cross the half way line this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:15:32 PM: Lambert knows the pressure on him at Villa is far higher than it was when he first started using the same policy at Norwich.

He claims he could have used up more financial backing from owner Randy Lerner, but is determined to make his methods work.

The above lines worry me greatly .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:16:17 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

It would appear they've got even shitter now.

I don't know - Hutton and Warnock were awful in 2011/2012 and we all wanted them out of the side. Now some seem to be sorry they're going! ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 03:18:42 PM: I think Palacios would be a really good capture. Him and the ginger scouser sitting in front of the back 4, with Westwood, Delph, Bilbo, and Dhalsim to come if needed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:20:09 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435

Thanks!

However, that is him talking up his young signings and not dismissing older heads as useless.

If he was under wages pressure so had to go for these players, he's hardly likely to ruin their confidence by saying "Well, as we can't afford top wages I've had to go wioth kids!"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 03:20:13 PM: how come triffik Arry not signed Palacios ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:21:22 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 03:12:28 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

It would appear they've got even shitter now.

I don't know - Hutton and Warnock were awful in 2011/2012 and we all wanted them out of the side. Now some seem to be sorry they're going! ;)

Hutton and Warnock are better than Lowton and Bennett. I wasn't expecting a downgrade over summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 03:23:55 PM: For about the 15th year running it appears that a transfer rumour legend will not be joining..................

Quote
BBC Sport's Giles Goford at the Africa Cup of Nations in South Africa: "I was with Benni McCarthy, the former Blackburn and West Ham striker, at a secondary school in Soweto today.

"I asked Benni if Real Madrid or Manchester United had been in touch regarding a last minute move back to Europe. Now 35, Benni laughed and said 'I'm way out of reach for them, I'm on another continent.'"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 03:24:03 PM: Defender at all?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 03:24:43 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 03:23:55 PM
For about the 15th year running it appears that a transfer rumour legend will not be joining..................

Quote
BBC Sport's Giles Goford at the Africa Cup of Nations in South Africa: "I was with Benni McCarthy, the former Blackburn and West Ham striker, at a secondary school in Soweto today.

"I asked Benni if Real Madrid or Manchester United had been in touch regarding a last minute move back to Europe. Now 35, Benni laughed and said 'I'm way out of reach for them, I'm on another continent.'"

any news on Juninho?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 03:26:28 PM: Been busy all day... anyone some up our late activity so far?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:27:04 PM: Quote from: danno on January 31, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 03:23:55 PM
For about the 15th year running it appears that a transfer rumour legend will not be joining..................

Quote
BBC Sport's Giles Goford at the Africa Cup of Nations in South Africa: "I was with Benni McCarthy, the former Blackburn and West Ham striker, at a secondary school in Soweto today.

"I asked Benni if Real Madrid or Manchester United had been in touch regarding a last minute move back to Europe. Now 35, Benni laughed and said 'I'm way out of reach for them, I'm on another continent.'"

any news on Juninho?

Tony hateley anyone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:27:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:12:41 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I don't think Lambert has the personality to deal with opinionated high profile players. Some of the formations he's sent out lately wouldn't sit well with experienced players who know the game also.

I agree with this , i think he shies away from big name experienced players and surrounds himself with younger .

Does he? Or do the wage restrictions mean he hasn't a choice anyway?

Well the so called established players here havent really blossomed under him , given, bent ireland, hutton , warnock , nzogbia, gabby - none have flourished under him

Most of those were also shit before he got here.

He hasnt exactly got the best out of them though has he ?

Nope and no-one else of any worth thinks they can either. Hence the apparent absence of bids for them. Any of them.

Bent aside, and he appears to be struggling on and off with injuries for a year, no-one will sign the others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 03:28:32 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
I think Malouda is a fine player but If they want to throw Essien in too , so be it .

Essien plays for Real Madrid.

did they buy him or loan him ?

Loaned him at the start of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:29:05 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: danno on January 31, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 03:23:55 PM
For about the 15th year running it appears that a transfer rumour legend will not be joining..................

Quote
BBC Sport's Giles Goford at the Africa Cup of Nations in South Africa: "I was with Benni McCarthy, the former Blackburn and West Ham striker, at a secondary school in Soweto today.

"I asked Benni if Real Madrid or Manchester United had been in touch regarding a last minute move back to Europe. Now 35, Benni laughed and said 'I'm way out of reach for them, I'm on another continent.'"

any news on Juninho?

Tony hateley anyone?

Nigel Callaghan. Ouch!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:29:10 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435

Thanks!

However, that is him talking up his young signings and not dismissing older heads as useless.

If he was under wages pressure so had to go for these players, he's hardly likely to ruin their confidence by saying "Well, as we can't afford top wages I've had to go wioth kids!"
He clearly believed his own hype though? Why leave Norwich if you've been put under such contraints.

" Every football decision is mine.I need to be COMFORTABLE IN MYSELF,and I'm comfortable with what I'm trying to do"

Sorry for shouting,don't know how to highlight
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: glasses on January 31, 2013, 03:31:15 PM: One player I'd love us to try and sign is Jack Rodwell. He might even be useful in the back three, as he looks a genuine footballer who could play anywhere you put him.

He'd surely love to play a few games for us rather than sit on City's bench?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:31:56 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435

Thanks!

However, that is him talking up his young signings and not dismissing older heads as useless.

If he was under wages pressure so had to go for these players, he's hardly likely to ruin their confidence by saying "Well, as we can't afford top wages I've had to go wioth kids!"
He clearly believed his own hype though? Why leave Norwich if you've been put under such contraints.

" Every football decision is mine.I need to be COMFORTABLE IN MYSELF,and I'm comfortable with what I'm trying to do"

Sorry for shouting,don't know how to highlight

Possibly, but then he also had a host of established internationals already here to work with, who have either been injured, disinterested or just plain crap.

And that's not to mention the payrise he probably got himself to come here!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:33:36 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435

Thanks!

However, that is him talking up his young signings and not dismissing older heads as useless.

If he was under wages pressure so had to go for these players, he's hardly likely to ruin their confidence by saying "Well, as we can't afford top wages I've had to go wioth kids!"
He clearly believed his own hype though? Why leave Norwich if you've been put under such contraints.

" Every football decision is mine.I need to be COMFORTABLE IN MYSELF,and I'm comfortable with what I'm trying to do"

Sorry for shouting,don't know how to highlight

Possibly, but then he also had a host of established internationals already here to work with, who have either been injured, disinterested or just plain crap.

And that's not to mention the payrise he probably got himself to come here!

So are you pro lambert then?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 03:38:19 PM: So we signed anyone yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 03:38:29 PM: Quote from: glasses on January 31, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
One player I'd love us to try and sign is Jack Rodwell. He might even be useful in the back three, as he looks a genuine footballer who could play anywhere you put him.

He'd surely love to play a few games for us rather than sit on City's bench?

Good call.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 03:39:04 PM: Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 30, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: mr woo on January 30, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Someone on VT claiming Abdoulaye Ba is having a medical tomorrow.

not sure on this ITK's credentials but Ba is the 6'6" Porto centre back we have long been linked with.

West Ham tried to sign him in the summer but couldn't get the necessary work visa.

There other centre half, Rolando, is in Italy signing on loan for Napoli until the end of the season with an option to buy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:40:10 PM: Well this is fun isnt it ..... Zzzzzz
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 03:40:25 PM: That is Rolando, not Ba.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:40:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Here you go John

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1148435

Thanks!

However, that is him talking up his young signings and not dismissing older heads as useless.

If he was under wages pressure so had to go for these players, he's hardly likely to ruin their confidence by saying "Well, as we can't afford top wages I've had to go wioth kids!"
He clearly believed his own hype though? Why leave Norwich if you've been put under such contraints.

" Every football decision is mine.I need to be COMFORTABLE IN MYSELF,and I'm comfortable with what I'm trying to do"

Sorry for shouting,don't know how to highlight

Possibly, but then he also had a host of established internationals already here to work with, who have either been injured, disinterested or just plain crap.

And that's not to mention the payrise he probably got himself to come here!

So are you pro lambert then?

I'm pro-Aston Villa.

I think he's had a much harder job here than some give him credit for, due to a number of factors, and was doing OK in my book until Chelsea away. That destroyed a young team's confidence and we haven't recovered from it yet.

That's not to absolve him from any blame, but trying to view it slightly more balanced than the "He's a mumbling Scottish fuckwit" version of events.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 03:42:50 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 03:40:25 PM
That is Rolando, not Ba.

Yup, just noticed, Ozz.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:43:13 PM: Fair enough concrete john
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM: ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 03:44:02 PM: By the way, if you want to read minute by minute reports on what Beckham had for breakfast or the smell of Balotelli's latest fart I highly recommend BBC's transfer thread.

It's truly riveting stuff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 03:45:41 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

I think that will change if we stay up, but forking out massive wages now with the real threat of going down would be silly. 35k ish is reasonable though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 03:46:01 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

Which is why the £10m or so you think he has to spend is secondary to our real problem - wages!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 03:51:19 PM: For a Premier League club, our wages are no longer an issue. However, there's the rub.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 03:52:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

Not true! Was talking to a Celtic fan the other day they apparently have a £20k pw cap yet still manage to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL and have some very good players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 03:54:03 PM: #ITKN - Darren Bent in straight swap for Marcus Bent, Lambert hoping no one will notice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:57:39 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 03:54:03 PM
#ITKN - Darren Bent in straight swap for Marcus Bent, Lambert hoping no one will notice.

Would we notice?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:58:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

Pay 40k and get more expensive tat
Pay 60k and get really expensive tat
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:59:14 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
For a Premier League club, our wages are no longer an issue. However, there's the rub.

They will be when we get relegated. They will be a Big fucking issue.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:00:19 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
For a Premier League club, our wages are no longer an issue. However, there's the rub.

They will be when we get relegated. They will be a Big fucking issue.

Kind of my point in the second sentence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 04:03:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

The reasons to hate the Premier League just keep on coming.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 04:05:09 PM: Not sure if it has already been posted, but link to Ince: www.thefootballmagazine.com/2013/01/31/aston-villa-enter-ince-race/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 04:05:24 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

The reasons to hate the Premier League just keep on coming.

Amen
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:07:10 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

Not true! Was talking to a Celtic fan the other day they apparently have a £20k pw cap yet still manage to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL and have some very good players.

Most of celtics team wouldnt cut it in the premiership.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dotcomsimon on January 31, 2013, 04:07:38 PM: (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/Sylla_zps7ed4512f.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:12:04 PM: Been a really quiet day so far - needs to be a frantic finale or we can kiss farewell to the premiership .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 31, 2013, 04:13:30 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 04:05:09 PM
Not sure if it has already been posted, but link to Ince: www.thefootballmagazine.com/2013/01/31/aston-villa-enter-ince-race/

If only.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:13:50 PM: Never good to hear Pete Colley at Bodymoor Heath saying itslikely no more signing for Villa surely that cant be it
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:14:28 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:13:50 PM
Never good to hear Pete Colley at Bodymoor Heath saying itslikely no more signing for Villa surely that cant be it

Did he say that?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 04:15:05 PM: I'm suprised we signed Cilla.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:15:17 PM: After announcing Sylla had signed Pete Colley said not expected to be anymore. Oh well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:15:52 PM: Quote from: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:15:17 PM
After announcing Sylla had signed Pete Colley said not expected to be anymore. Oh well.

Lets hope hes wrong for all our sakes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:15:59 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:13:50 PM
Never good to hear Pete Colley at Bodymoor Heath saying itslikely no more signing for Villa surely that cant be it

Did he say that?

I'm afraid so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:16:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
ITK on the darkside reckons we're unlikely to pay anyone coming in over £20k. Sounds about right considering the lack of activity. It seems we really are shopping in the bargain basement. I bet there are a fair chunk of the championship that are prepared to pay more than that, it's no wonder we look like we're headed there.

Pay 20k and you get cheap tat.

Not true! Was talking to a Celtic fan the other day they apparently have a £20k pw cap yet still manage to qualify for the knockout stages of the CL and have some very good players.

Most of celtics team wouldnt cut it in the premiership.

Forster, Izzaguire, Wanyama, Hooper would and possibly Scott Brown
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on January 31, 2013, 04:16:55 PM: Quote from: dotcomsimon on January 31, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/dotcomsimon/Sylla_zps7ed4512f.jpg)

Is he 6'2" and 14 plus stone?

Well according to WPedia he's 6' so what's a couple of inches between friends?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:17:21 PM: No way canI see there being nobody else not even signing a defender hope Colley gets it wrong!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:18:21 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
No way canI see there being nobody else not even signing a defender hope Colley gets it wrong!

Reaches for towel and prepares to throw.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:18:50 PM: They do say the last thing to die is hope. Will there realistically be any left after tonight? Come on let's just pull one rabbit out of the hat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:20:00 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
No way canI see there being nobody else not even signing a defender hope Colley gets it wrong!

Reaches for towel and prepares to throw.....

My heart sank when he said it but there is always hope. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:20:59 PM: Why do we get Pete Colley when Norwich get that fit blonde?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 04:22:15 PM: We go with what we've got.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:23:22 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
We go with what we've got.

Again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:28 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
We go with what we've got.

The blind leading the useless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 04:23:45 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Why do we get Pete Colley when Norwich get that fit blonde?
Can you show us a picture before I am dismissive of Colley?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 04:24:35 PM: Nursey said yesterday we are looking for a CB. With it looking like Dunne will not play again for us, I'd be suprised if we don't bring one in. Although like Sylla, I'd imagine it will be another cheap unknown. Not that I'll be complaining...better then nothing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM: That had better not "be it".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 04:25:23 PM: Come on Villa sign a defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:25:35 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Why do we get Pete Colley when Norwich get that fit blonde?
Can you show us a picture before I am dismissive of Colley?

http://newstevesnewscaps.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/kate-riley-bbc-look-east.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:26:36 PM: Will the last person out please turn off the lights ......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 04:26:44 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
That had better not "be it".

Indeed but it doesn't look promising, we've heard absolutely nothing else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:27:48 PM: (http://accountingprofessor.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/fatlady.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:28:20 PM: Quote from: villajk on January 31, 2013, 04:15:17 PM
After announcing Sylla had signed Pete Colley said not expected to be anymore. Oh well.

This time yesterday Sky were telling us no signings at all, so don't get too despondent just because of that!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 04:28:30 PM: If Davies is going for £2 million we should have been in for that in my opinion.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:28:36 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
That had better not "be it".

If so maz then those concerned need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done to this great club!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 31, 2013, 04:29:34 PM: There may be no more signings but right now it game of brinkmanship ...both Sunderland and WBA say Crouch and Odemwengie are not going ...but I bet they do.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 04:30:37 PM: From the BBC feed:

"Aston Villa's new signing Yacouba Sylla has said he dreamed of being in a relegation fight ever since he became a professional."

Cheeky fuckers. If I paid a licence fee, I'd bloody well withhold it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 04:31:03 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:20:59 PM
Why do we get Pete Colley when Norwich get that fit blonde?
Can you show us a picture before I am dismissive of Colley?

http://newstevesnewscaps.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/kate-riley-bbc-look-east.html
Bastards ...Norwich. That is a pretty girl!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:31:59 PM: Quite frankly, I wouldn't trust the clock on Skysports news. It's just a joke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 04:32:25 PM: If this is all thats coming in we may as well have sacked Lambchop in January. In fact we may as well sack him anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 04:32:30 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
That had better not "be it".

If so maz then those concerned need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done to this great club!
No they don't. Do you want us to be like QbloodyPR?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 04:32:43 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 04:24:35 PM
Nursey said yesterday we are looking for a CB. With it looking like Dunne will not play again for us, I'd be suprised if we don't bring one in.

From the Guardian:

Quote
"My cousin Alecc is a waiter in Red Lobster is New York," he says. "He just served Richard Dunne a large bowl of apple crumble and a chocolate milkshake. On the move to the Red Bulls possibly?" Or just very hungry. He won't be playing too much football if he keeps eating that kind of rubbish.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:33:57 PM: I've decided to boycott the BBC from now on, the sarcastic wankers:

Quote from: BBC sarcastic wankers
ASTON VILLA LATEST

Aston Villa's new signing Yacouba Sylla has said he dreamed of being in a relegation fight ever since he became a professional.

"Playing at Villa Park will be unbelievable," said the £2m midfielder. "It is a huge stadium with a great history and the crowd will be incredible. You dream about this when you become a footballer.

"I can hopefully help the team when we're defending against our opposition and to get the ball moving forward. I know the fans are very passionate and it will be great to get started as soon as possible."

Yes, I know it's true that we're in a relegation scrap, but do they need to be quite so gleeful about it? Get f*cked, Chris Bevan and Aimee Lewis, BBC Sport. Rant over...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:34:34 PM: Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

We are hurt but very proud of our wonderful club - we will be back !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 04:35:12 PM: I still believe we might see a bid for Bent also which could see us make a couple of moves. A centre back is priority but we could do with another creative option. Or even a good old winger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:35:22 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
That had better not "be it".

If so maz then those concerned need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done to this great club!
No they don't. Do you want us to be like QbloodyPR?

Randy can stretch it a bit to help keep us up without paying Samba £120k a week!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 04:36:24 PM: Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
I've decided to boycott the BBC from now on, the sarcastic wankers:

Quote from: BBC sarcastic wankers
ASTON VILLA LATEST

Aston Villa's new signing Yacouba Sylla has said he dreamed of being in a relegation fight ever since he became a professional.

"Playing at Villa Park will be unbelievable," said the £2m midfielder. "It is a huge stadium with a great history and the crowd will be incredible. You dream about this when you become a footballer.

"I can hopefully help the team when we're defending against our opposition and to get the ball moving forward. I know the fans are very passionate and it will be great to get started as soon as possible."

Yes, I know it's true that we're in a relegation scrap, but do they need to be quite so gleeful about it?

Yeah noticed that. Had a little dig earlier in the feed as well. Something along the lines of "Experienced or not, Aston Villa have made a signing".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:38:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

We are hurt but very proud of our wonderful club - we will be back !

We haven't gone anywhere yet!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:38:58 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 04:36:24 PM
Yeah noticed that. Had a little dig earlier in the feed as well. Something along the lines of "Experienced or not, Aston Villa have made a signing".
Let them continue to fawn over St. Beckham and Balotelli, the vacuous little turds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:39:04 PM: The BBC can fuck off. If it was subscription then no one would pay a penny to watch the shite they peddle. Very lucky they're funded by basically a tax to keep them going and talentless tossers and druggies in multi million pound contracts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 04:39:24 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
That had better not "be it".

If so maz then those concerned need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done to this great club!
No they don't. Do you want us to be like QbloodyPR?

You don't think there's a happy medium between spending ridiculous amounts of money like QPR, and buying some unknown French kid from a crap division 2 team? We are easily the worst team in the league on current form, and one more inexperienced kid, welcome as he is, isn't going to be enough to keep us up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM: Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM: They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 04:40:13 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
I've decided to boycott the BBC from now on, the sarcastic wankers:

Quote from: BBC sarcastic wankers
ASTON VILLA LATEST

Aston Villa's new signing Yacouba Sylla has said he dreamed of being in a relegation fight ever since he became a professional.

"Playing at Villa Park will be unbelievable," said the £2m midfielder. "It is a huge stadium with a great history and the crowd will be incredible. You dream about this when you become a footballer.

"I can hopefully help the team when we're defending against our opposition and to get the ball moving forward. I know the fans are very passionate and it will be great to get started as soon as possible."

Yes, I know it's true that we're in a relegation scrap, but do they need to be quite so gleeful about it?

Yeah noticed that. Had a little dig earlier in the feed as well. Something along the lines of "Experienced or not, Aston Villa have made a signing".

Its always like that its supposed to be irreverent and witty.
But mostly just ends up reading like smarmy twat, its probably Colin Murray typing.
zing!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:40:17 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

We are hurt but very proud of our wonderful club - we will be back !

We haven't gone anywhere yet!

I heard Dave Woodhall is trying to do a late deal to transfer Eastie to another forum his negativity is damaging squad morale ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:40:31 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
The BBC can fuck off. If it was subscription then no one would pay a penny to watch the shite they peddle. Very lucky they're funded by basically a tax to keep them going and talentless tossers and druggies in multi million pound contracts.
Get back to your Daily Express grandad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 04:40:50 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

We are hurt but very proud of our wonderful club - we will be back !

We haven't gone anywhere yet!

Quite right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:41:09 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.
Spot on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 04:43:57 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
If Davies is going for £2 million we should have been in for that in my opinion.

Agreed & I know I'm in a minority here, but why not NRC aswell?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:44:14 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
The BBC can fuck off. If it was subscription then no one would pay a penny to watch the shite they peddle. Very lucky they're funded by basically a tax to keep them going and talentless tossers and druggies in multi million pound contracts.
Get back to your Daily Express grandad.

I'm too enraged to read right now, I want heads on platters.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:45:05 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

We are hurt but very proud of our wonderful club - we will be back !

We haven't gone anywhere yet!

Quite right.

The fans may not have given up but i fear the people running the club have thrown in the towel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on January 31, 2013, 04:45:09 PM: Quote from: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
If Davies is going for £2 million we should have been in for that in my opinion.

Agreed & I know I'm in a minority here, but why not NRC aswell?

I defended NRC a lot when he was here and would gladly take him back on a short term deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:45:38 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM
Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?
Normally you roll with the punches, hilts. I rarely "dish it out" to anyone, as I don't really like what comes back in the opposite direction when the boot's on the other foot. But when the insidious sniping has been present pretty much all season, be it on the web site or on MotD, coupled with our current parlous state, forgive me for being a little "thin-skinned". You don't work for the BBC do you?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 04:45:49 PM: Quote
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

well, yeah, they'll never take the memeories from any Villa fan who's older than 32. In fact, if the earliest age you can remember is about 5 or 6, anyone younger than 38 has no memories of Villa being great at all. Poor bleeders.

Anyone under that age who watches the Villa must be...what's the opposite of a glory hunter? Grief hunter?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM: We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:47:37 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.

While I agree with the majority of your post the communication thing pisses me off, when Lerner took over most of us celebrated the fact that he he stayed out of the limelight unlike the Porn brothers on the other side of the city. I don't understand the clamour to be hearing from the owner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:47:51 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM
Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?

Quite, it seems the anger has turned from the players/club to the BBC. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:48:01 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Because we dont need a striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:48:18 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.

I don't mind having an owner that doesn't talk to the press. However, it puts even more importance onto whoever is appointed as CEO.

In fact if a club is run well, there doesn't need to be an owner that throws money at it - Spurs and Everton to name but 2.

What is needed is a clear vision and long-term plan. Swansea were almost relegated to the Conference 10 years ago but they've risen through the leagues playing an attractive style of play and have continually appointed managers that fit their desired style of play. The lack of footballing knowledge from the top of the club is startling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 04:48:40 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

What's the point, equivalent of a man with no cock having the softest silkiest hands in the world.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on January 31, 2013, 04:49:04 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

If Bent is going, then yeah I suppose he'd do until the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:49:54 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM
Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?

Quite, it seems the anger has turned from the players/club to the BBC. Ridiculous.
Why don't they just report the facts rather than being sarcastic? Are they just trying to be more "hip"? Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject. Back on topic...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:50:56 PM: Could it all be an elaborate hoax and in a few hours we unveil a couple of gems ? No , i thought not.......
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:51:02 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.

While I agree with the majority of your post the communication thing pisses me off, when Lerner took over most of us celebrated the fact that he he stayed out of the limelight unlike the Porn brothers on the other side of the city. I don't understand the clamour to be hearing from the owner.

I dont want to hear from him as such. I just want better communication. Which to me is more than a load of guff on the website written by some buffoon who cant write six words without using "classy" or x,y and z are determined to get back to winning ways after the latest defeat, I mean meaningful communication.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:51:08 PM: Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM
Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?

Quite, it seems the anger has turned from the players/club to the BBC. Ridiculous.
Why don't they just report the facts rather than being sarcastic? Are they just trying to be more "hip"? Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject. Back on topic...

Bored as the rest of us I suspect...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:51:56 PM: Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:39:32 PM
Good grief, I had no idea football fans were so thin-skinned. Or can we only dish it out?

Quite, it seems the anger has turned from the players/club to the BBC. Ridiculous.
Why don't they just report the facts rather than being sarcastic? Are they just trying to be more "hip"? Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject. Back on topic...

Bored as the rest of us I suspect...
I suspect you're right. Fair comment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 04:52:29 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Quote
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

well, yeah, they'll never take the memeories from any Villa fan who's older than 32. In fact, if the earliest age you can remember is about 5 or 6, anyone younger than 38 has no memories of Villa being great at all. Poor bleeders.

Anyone under that age who watches the Villa must be...what's the opposite of a glory hunter? Grief hunter?

My friend who has been taking his son to the Villa since he was 3 said to him the other day."Dad I'll always like the Villa but I think I want to support Man Utd now,we always lose" He now plays as ManU on his PSP and has asked to change the colours in his room.This is from a lad who has been going week in,week out and is 8 now.I've told him to write to the club so they know that they are competely losing the next generation of supporters
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:52:56 PM: Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
You don't work for the BBC do you?
No, but as a talentless tosser and druggie I really ought to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 04:53:33 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Quote
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

well, yeah, they'll never take the memeories from any Villa fan who's older than 32. In fact, if the earliest age you can remember is about 5 or 6, anyone younger than 38 has no memories of Villa being great at all. Poor bleeders.

Anyone under that age who watches the Villa must be...what's the opposite of a glory hunter? Grief hunter?

That'll be me then, although I do have great memories of the villa from about 18-20 years ago, probably some of the best from my teenage years...standing in the holte, the goal crush, hugging strangers and doing the disco...very happy memories.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 04:53:44 PM: Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Sign him to sell him to raise transfer cash.

The oldest Championship manager trick in the book ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 04:54:17 PM: Wow if that is it. Just wow. A centre back was imperative today.

We'd be fooked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 31, 2013, 04:54:19 PM: If we don't bring an experienced and GOOD CB in then were f**ked in my opinion...bad bad form villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Rexy on January 31, 2013, 04:54:28 PM: Jesus! Write to Social Services more like. Those parents need some serious help, they have lost their way! So what, we are going down, tell the kid to grow a pair..oh he's 8. But Man U, please god, has it come to this...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM: Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:55:15 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
You don't work for the BBC do you?
No, but as a talentless tosser and druggie I really ought to.
Not my words, hilts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:55:55 PM: Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.

While I agree with the majority of your post the communication thing pisses me off, when Lerner took over most of us celebrated the fact that he he stayed out of the limelight unlike the Porn brothers on the other side of the city. I don't understand the clamour to be hearing from the owner.

I dont want to hear from him as such. I just want better communication. Which to me is more than a load of guff on the website written by some buffoon who cant write six words without using "classy" or x,y and z are determined to get back to winning ways after the latest defeat, I mean meaningful communication.

Personally the only communication I want from the club concerns when matches are played and when tickets go on sale.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:56:27 PM: Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
You don't work for the BBC do you?
No, but as a talentless tosser and druggie I really ought to.
Not my words, hilts.
No I know. It was a cry for help really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM: Expect the unexpected!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:57:20 PM: Good for you MonsXI. I think other fans want a bit more. Especially when their club is going down the shitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 04:57:22 PM: Fuck White, fuck Beckham, in fact fuck the lot of you and bollocks to it all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:57:43 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Stares on January 31, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
You don't work for the BBC do you?
No, but as a talentless tosser and druggie I really ought to.
Not my words, hilts.
No I know. It was a cry for help really.
;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: simoncowell on January 31, 2013, 04:58:06 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Quote
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

well, yeah, they'll never take the memeories from any Villa fan who's older than 32. In fact, if the earliest age you can remember is about 5 or 6, anyone younger than 38 has no memories of Villa being great at all. Poor bleeders.

Anyone under that age who watches the Villa must be...what's the opposite of a glory hunter? Grief hunter?

My friend who has been taking his son to the Villa since he was 3 said to him the other day."Dad I'll always like the Villa but I think I want to support Man Utd now,we always lose" He now plays as ManU on his PSP and has asked to change the colours in his room.This is from a lad who has been going week in,week out and is 8 now.I've told him to write to the club so they know that they are competely losing the next generation of supporters

I would explain to the boy that you are born into a club - it's not a choice. And that if you could just choose things like that I would have picked a far better son. Once he'd got the message I would release him from his cage, obviously. I'm not a total monster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 04:58:18 PM: Quote from: Nev on January 31, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Fuck White, fuck Beckham, in fact fuck the lot of you and bollocks to it all.

Not enjoying eastie day then Nev?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 04:58:27 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
Quote
Well at least we were there when we won the league and european cup , they will never take our great memories from us .

well, yeah, they'll never take the memeories from any Villa fan who's older than 32. In fact, if the earliest age you can remember is about 5 or 6, anyone younger than 38 has no memories of Villa being great at all. Poor bleeders.

Anyone under that age who watches the Villa must be...what's the opposite of a glory hunter? Grief hunter?

That'll be me then, although I do have great memories of the villa from about 18-20 years ago, probably some of the best from my teenage years...standing in the holte, the goal crush, hugging strangers and doing the disco...very happy memories.

I'm only 23. So you're telling me we were a good team once? Shiiiit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 31, 2013, 04:58:57 PM: Maybe we could borrow some money for a defender from QuickQuid
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 04:59:01 PM: Quote from: N'Rexy on January 31, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
Jesus! Write to Social Services more like. Those parents need some serious help, they have lost their way! So what, we are going down, tell the kid to grow a pair..oh he's 8. But Man U, please god, has it come to this...
I swear,he couldn't have done any more to keep him on the right track.That's why I was so utterly gobsmacked,it's depressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 04:59:52 PM: Surely NRC on a free to the end of the season is a good idea!?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 31, 2013, 05:00:40 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

Ooh you tease!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 31, 2013, 05:01:42 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.

While I agree with the majority of your post the communication thing pisses me off, when Lerner took over most of us celebrated the fact that he he stayed out of the limelight unlike the Porn brothers on the other side of the city. I don't understand the clamour to be hearing from the owner.

There is always a happy medium. Granted I dont want the porn twats or Dave bloody whelan, but when the club is spiralling out of control and staring into the abyss, the passengers in the plane need to know the pilots are still holding the controls and not assuming the crash stance with their head between their legs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:02:04 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Because we dont need a striker.

But we do need a winger Eastie or anything that resembles a winger. Bakary Sako does a good impression of a winger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 05:02:06 PM: If we dont sign anyone I will not be surprised, Not one bit, We've actually signed one more than I thought
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:02:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 04:59:52 PM
Surely NRC on a free to the end of the season is a good idea!?
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree. It's a bit desperate but that's precisely where we are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:02:30 PM: Now from colley saying no more signings hes saying only sylla so far ! Still hope !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr-villa on January 31, 2013, 05:02:51 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

Yes and he also admitted that he was up there with Natalie Sawyer!! Wonder what Sam Matterface makes of that if he hears about it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:02:57 PM: Quote from: mr-villa on January 31, 2013, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

Ooh you tease!

I think Louzie0 has brought him his soup.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 05:04:13 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:02:30 PM
Now from colley saying no more signings hes saying only sylla so far ! Still hope !

Producers have told him to keep people on the hook
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2013, 05:04:20 PM: I've posted on here before that, I've been fortunate enough to see the Villa win the lot in my lifetime. That said it doesn't stop my desire to see them win the lot again. When we won the European Cup, I had a mate who was as mad about the Villa as I was and he made the statement that having now seen them win everything he didn't care if he never went and watched them again. I never understood that then and I don't understand it now.

It seems this great club of ours is being run into the ground, and begs the question; when does the real asset stripping begin. Even our non-tangible assets are at risk now we are being held up as the football national joke. As has been stated where are the future generation of supporters coming from? I really, really despair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:04:32 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Because we dont need a striker.

But we do need a winger Eastie or anything that resembles a winger. Bakary Sako does a good impression of a winger.

May i point you my friend in the direction of samir carruthers - confident , pacey , runs at people , and good delivery yet he doesnt get a sniff .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:04:56 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
If we dont sign anyone I will not be surprised, Not one bit, We've actually signed one more than I thought

I dont think anybody would disagree with you Phil.If Lambert signs anyone else I think it will be a miracle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:05:45 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

I'm glad i'm not watching it, it sounds horrendous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:06:02 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 31, 2013, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

Ooh you tease!

I think Louzie0 has brought him his soup.

Minestrone with a dash of french peppers!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on January 31, 2013, 05:06:16 PM: (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000/12/000-1211194431-titanic.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 05:06:47 PM: Just means I can go home and chill and not have to listen or watch anything to do with football (unless Millie Clode comes on)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Because we dont need a striker.

But we do need a winger Eastie or anything that resembles a winger. Bakary Sako does a good impression of a winger.

May i point you my friend in the direction of samir carruthers - confident , pacey , runs at people , and good delivery yet he doesnt get a sniff .

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:08:12 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

I'm glad i'm not watching it, it sounds horrendous.

Come on clampy, just because you are hiding behind the sofa it still counts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:08:20 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on January 31, 2013, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

Ooh you tease!

I think Louzie0 has brought him his soup.

Minestrone with a dash of french peppers!

She's a good egg ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2013, 05:08:26 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on January 31, 2013, 05:01:42 PM

There is always a happy medium. Granted I dont want the porn twats or Dave bloody whelan, but when the club is spiralling out of control and staring into the abyss, the passengers in the plane need to know the pilots are still holding the controls and not assuming the crash stance with their head between their legs.

Holding the controls you say.

The thing is they're not even pilots and they're not on the plane in any case.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:08:32 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: midian on January 31, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
We dont really need a striker but so why not Saha just released by Sunderland get him short term deal?

Because we dont need a striker.

But we do need a winger Eastie or anything that resembles a winger. Bakary Sako does a good impression of a winger.

May i point you my friend in the direction of samir carruthers - confident , pacey , runs at people , and good delivery yet he doesnt get a sniff .

Yes I agree his complete lack of playing time seems very strange indeed
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 05:11:47 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

You don't think there's a happy medium between spending ridiculous amounts of money like QPR, and buying some unknown French kid from a crap division 2 team? We are easily the worst team in the league on current form, and one more inexperienced kid, welcome as he is, isn't going to be enough to keep us up.
Quote from: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
They do aftab. Whatever happens from now until midnight the people running this club are running it into the ground.
There isnt a clue between them and I just hope we can survive long enough to pass to more properly prepared, knowledgeable and dedicated stewardship.

I dont want to risk the financial welfare of this club, I just want to see it protected properly.
This window is the one real chance left to affect matters in our favour. After this we have to hope a squad of kids and inconsistent senior players pull something out of the bag.
I'm not giving up but I want a fighting chance.

And I'm sorry to say but I want Randy to reconsider being custodian of this great club because I dont think he's up to the job.
The communication is bollocks too. Its unforgiveable. I can cope with being shit and making mistakes but being blanked isnt cricket to be honest.
I have no issue with you're comments gents however in January we exist in an unreal market place. Agents are touting has beens and lazy sods for enormous figures both for wages and transfer fee. There is not much quality about and as far as I know January signing either fail or contribute in the following season. We have got ourselves in a huge pickle and I am not sure spending silly money will help us now. We will either do it with what we have or......
I can defend Lerner and Failkner as I think their "plan" if any is ruining us but they don't need to go mad in this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 05:12:11 PM: Well it doesn't look like Bent's going so that's like a new signing!

No? I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 05:12:43 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.

Cus he's a winger, that's why he's not playing him. Lambert doesn't do wingers.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:14:17 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on January 31, 2013, 05:08:26 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on January 31, 2013, 05:01:42 PM

There is always a happy medium. Granted I dont want the porn twats or Dave bloody whelan, but when the club is spiralling out of control and staring into the abyss, the passengers in the plane need to know the pilots are still holding the controls and not assuming the crash stance with their head between their legs.

Holding the controls you say.

The thing is they're not even pilots and they're not on the plane in any case.

I've a mate who's a pilot based out in Dubai. He told me about one of the young Emirate pilots who was training with his company. In a particular incident, this young Emirate, upon coming in to land a Boeing, decided to let go of the flight controls at about 100m of altitude whilst saying "insh'allah"...bloody nuts!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:16:12 PM: Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.

Don't disagree with you hilts, I'm just very surprised, considering PL's selection policy and philosophy, that he hasn't featured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 05:17:20 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.

Cus he's a winger, that's why he's not playing him. Lambert doesn't do wingers.

Yeah and look how often we lack width. Just because the English game is becoming more continental doesn't mean there's not room for the old style; even if it's only as a Plan B.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:17:27 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.

Cus he's a winger, that's why he's not playing him. Lambert doesn't do wingers.

Ahhhhh....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 05:18:18 PM: 4-4-2 with wingers that cover the full backs is probably the most solid we could hope to be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:19:12 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
4-4-2 with wingers that cover the full backs is probably the most solid we could hope to be.

Would see bent flourish too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 31, 2013, 05:20:02 PM: Quote from: mattjpa link=topic=

There is always a happy medium.

I was walking down the street and saw Derek Acorah laughing. So I punched him. In. The. Face. I was arrested and charged with striking a happy medium.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:22:45 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

I'm glad i'm not watching it, it sounds horrendous.

Come on clampy, just because you are hiding behind the sofa it still counts.

Sorry to disapoint you Eastie but i had it on for a couple of hours earlier this morning and i've been out this afternoon. I doubt i'll watch anymore, it's for those who get easily excited.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 31, 2013, 05:23:35 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:07:14 PM

I'm a wee bit baffled by this too. Lambert loves his young guns and Carruthers was showing real promise last season, very surprised he's not made an appearance in this one.
He looks promising but the last thing this team needs is more kids.

Cus he's a winger, that's why he's not playing him. Lambert doesn't do wingers.

Ahhhhh....

So there is no point in strikers, however many, if they don't get service. In fact there's no point in anything anymore. The club is being run down and could end up the same as Birmingham - a laughing stock in liquidation. My heart is so heavy I am falling over it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Kevin Dawson on January 31, 2013, 05:25:03 PM: 575 pages...........1 signing........... :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM: Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:26:55 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

I'm glad i'm not watching it, it sounds horrendous.

Come on clampy, just because you are hiding behind the sofa it still counts.

Sorry to disapoint you Eastie but i had it on for a couple of hours earlier this morning and i've been out this afternoon. I doubt i'll watch anymore, it's for those who get easily excited.

Only when milllie clode is leaning over in a low cut top :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 05:27:22 PM: Quote from: Kevin Dawson on January 31, 2013, 05:25:03 PM
575 pages...........1 signing........... :'(

If you deleted Easties posts it would be 1 page 1 signing :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:27:24 PM: [/quote]

So there is no point in strikers, however many, if they don't get service. In fact there's no point in anything anymore. The club is being run down and could end up the same as Birmingham - a laughing stock in liquidation. My heart is so heavy I am falling over it!
[/quote]

Have some of eastie's soup. That'll pep you up a bit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 05:28:20 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
4-4-2 with wingers that cover the full backs is probably the most solid we could hope to be.

The problem is that we sold them.

I know that we probably had to, but I really thought
N'Zogbia, Albrighton, Holman would have contributed more than they have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 05:28:53 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?

The widow's mite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:29:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
Jim White's on the roof of the SSN building. Here's hoping for a really strong blast of wind.

I'm glad i'm not watching it, it sounds horrendous.

Come on clampy, just because you are hiding behind the sofa it still counts.

Sorry to disapoint you Eastie but i had it on for a couple of hours earlier this morning and i've been out this afternoon. I doubt i'll watch anymore, it's for those who get easily excited.

Only when milllie clode is leaning over in a low cut top :)

Are you on first name terms with ALL of the female SSN presenters eastie?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:29:39 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?

In the days of greedy moneygrabbers this is worth giving credit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:30:52 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?

Now now Clampy, you two have been playing nicely for quite a few pages now ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 31, 2013, 05:31:37 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

You quoting Jim White or proclaiming to be "itk" again?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:32:42 PM: Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 31, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

You quoting Jim White or proclaiming to be "itk" again?!

Mr white sir.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:33:07 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?

Now now Clampy, you two have been playing nicely for quite a few pages now ;)

Sorry dad. :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:33:53 PM: Be typical for me to hand mrs east the remote for emmerdale and eastenders and villa to sign 3 players in that hour.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on January 31, 2013, 05:35:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Be typical for me to hand mrs east the remote for emmerdale and eastenders and villa to sign 3 players in that hour.

Pass her the bloody remote now !!!;-)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2013, 05:35:22 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 31, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

You quoting Jim White or proclaiming to be "itk" again?!

Mr white sir.

Natalie should have pushed him off the roof and said "You weren't expecting that, were you Jim?"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 05:35:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Be typical for me to hand mrs east the remote for emmerdale and eastenders and villa to sign 3 players in that hour.

Err no.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:35:57 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Nice to see beckham giving his entire wages during his time there to a childrens charity in paris - touch of class !

Is there any need to type the same post on two different threads?

Now now Clampy, you two have been playing nicely for quite a few pages now ;)

Sorry dad. :)

;D ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 05:37:01 PM: i can't stand jim white. Jumped up twat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 31, 2013, 05:46:34 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
i can't stand jim white. Jumped up twat.

I always felt sorry for him, first continually losing to Steve Davis and then Stephen Hendry. That's a repeated kick in the bollock for the man to take. I did like the story about him going out on the piss with his dead brother.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 31, 2013, 05:47:59 PM: The only saving grace tonight will be...........Natalie Sawyers knockers
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 31, 2013, 05:48:14 PM: Quote from: OCD on January 31, 2013, 05:35:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on January 31, 2013, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Expect the unexpected!

You quoting Jim White or proclaiming to be "itk" again?!

Mr white sir.

Natalie should have pushed him off the roof and said "You weren't expecting that, were you Jim?"

LOL
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 05:54:00 PM: With women wanting job equality, why can't all the presenters be female? And based on looks? People like Julian Warren are constantly disturbing my gherkin jerk.

Have we sold fucking bent yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 05:57:19 PM: I've had to do some work for a few hours, so have been away from football news (no, honestly).

Have we signed anyone else?

If not, surely we've not said we're done for the day?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:58:21 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I've had to do some work for a few hours, so have been away from football news (no, honestly).

Have we signed anyone else?

If not, surely we've not said we're done for the day?

Extremely unlikely to be anymore said colley at bodymoor heath moments ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on January 31, 2013, 06:00:12 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I've had to do some work for a few hours, so have been away from football news (no, honestly).

Have we signed anyone else?

If not, surely we've not said we're done for the day?

Extremely unlikely to be anymore said colley at bodymoor heath moments ago.

But those pictures of Sylla are at VP are they not?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dotcomsimon on January 31, 2013, 06:00:23 PM: Warnock to leeds according to @andrewhaigh
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 06:01:36 PM: We don't half love a moan don't we... If its not Beckham it's Jim White.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 06:03:33 PM: Quote from: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 06:01:36 PM
We don't half love a moan don't we... If its not Beckham it's Jim White.

Yeah, fuck knows why everyone is in a bad mood on here.

Beckham is a saint and Jim White on Sky is top quality TV.

Deal with it!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 06:04:00 PM: Looks like he's not using all of the £3m war chest then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 06:04:31 PM: there is a fair bit of hypocrisy on here tonight,
people slagging of SKY sports while being glued to it and keeping us constantly updated with every thing that happens on there

bit like people who dont watch the Xfactor/big brother yet seem to know everthing that goes on in them
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 06:04:42 PM: How many more times will dharmesh sheth say the word 'exciting' with the most monotone, boring, robotic voice you'll ever hear. It's probably the most unexciting final day as well. Sky must be livid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:05:04 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Looks like he's not using all of the £3m war chest then.

It is more than that, and Lambert is to blame for us not buying more than our Graham.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: CastleValeMassiv on January 31, 2013, 06:05:21 PM: Is that it? Surprise surprise what a lorra lorra pooh. Only signing is Syla, she must be getting on now. I'm truly aghast, we are doomed and we sign a 2nd division French kid. Don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed, I'd sooner we signed no one, when you see all the bottom six going for it and we pull this out the hat. You couldn't bloody write it we are now officially the ginger stepson of the prem. No one obviously wants to come here even on loan. It's just so disappointing that we are not even going to make a fight of it, it's like they are purposely giving the fans the two finger salute. And to think we hounded out Mcleish at least we had a bit of fight under him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 31, 2013, 06:05:43 PM: Delap for experience and of course he could have been useful to have for the long throws and more accurate that some of those lobbed balls in!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 06:06:07 PM: So the biggest news is the signing of a 38 year old shirt seller for a half arsed Paris club that used to be famous!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 06:06:27 PM: I love Beckham :-*
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 06:07:14 PM: I refuse the watch SSN.Can somebody watch it for me please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 06:08:34 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Looks like he's not using all of the £3m war chest then.
He is saving it for his pay off...oh crap what have I typedI will go and wash my finger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:08:56 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
I refuse the watch SSN.Can somebody watch it for me please?

I might watch the BBC version on the red button later. Surely it can't be any worse?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM: Soo

Warnock to Leeds, Hutton to the Sun. We sign a 22 year old completely unknown commodity.

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:12:19 PM: He is the worst manager Aston Villa have ever had.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:13:35 PM: Can't say i'm disappointed because i wasn't expecting much. Only thing that will save us is lambchop out the door
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 06:14:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Soo

Warnock to Leeds, Hutton to the Sun. We sign a 22 year old completely unknown commodity.

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.

Is there anyone that wouldn't be work experience that would come here for 20k a week tho?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 06:14:26 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:12:19 PM
He is the worst manager Aston Villa have ever had.

We should at least give him until the end of the season/his tenure before giving him that label, surely?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2013, 06:14:35 PM: if ms black is the only signing surely it's surprise, surprise
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 06:15:00 PM: Anyone heard about any of the young lads going? Jack Grealish has tweeted words to the effect of being gutted as lots of guys he's played with for 5-8 years have left...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on January 31, 2013, 06:15:51 PM: Simon Jordan seems to make sense on Sky.

Best thing he ever did was fund the wonderful movie "Telstar".
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on January 31, 2013, 06:16:31 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
I refuse the watch SSN.Can somebody watch it for me please?

I might watch the BBC version on the red button later. Surely it can't be any worse?

The BBC try to cater for everybody, and do a great job off pleasing no one. SKY on the other hand target a specific audience and therefore have just two job specs.

1. Be a total gobshite that can talk endlessly whilst saying nothing whatsoever

or

2. Have a nice pair of tits
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2013, 06:16:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Soo

Warnock to Leeds, Hutton to the Sun. We sign a 22 year old completely unknown commodity.

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.

If that remains the position at 11pm then we have concrete proof that the white flag has been raised....IMHO
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2013, 06:18:01 PM: Quote from: Gareth on January 31, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Soo

Warnock to Leeds, Hutton to the Sun. We sign a 22 year old completely unknown commodity.

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.

If that remains the position at 11pm then we have concrete proof that the white flag has been raised....IMHO

Unequivocally yes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 06:21:10 PM: Quote from: Merv on January 31, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Anyone heard about any of the young lads going? Jack Grealish has tweeted words to the effect of being gutted as lots of guys he's played with for 5-8 years have left...

It's Downsize Me at Hicksvilla UK.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:25:24 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Looks like he's not using all of the £3m war chest then.

It is more than that, and Lambert is to blame for us not buying more than our Graham.

Bang on!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:27:33 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Soo

Warnock to Leeds, Hutton to the Sun. We sign a 22 year old completely unknown commodity.

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.

Talking of tits is natalie on yet? Im off there until 10 pm.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 06:27:53 PM: 'BBC Radio Leeds understands Leeds United are to imminently announce a deal to sign Aston Villa left-back Stephen Warnock'

Thanks for the memories Stephen. It's been emotional.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:30:00 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 06:27:53 PM
'BBC Radio Leeds understands Leeds United are to imminently announce a deal to sign Aston Villa left-back Stephen Warnock'

Thanks for the memories Stephen. It's been emotional.

Just goes to show, there's always someone worse off than you
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 06:30:02 PM: Brendan McLoughlin (ex E&S writer) reckons we might still see an incoming loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM: Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 06:31:16 PM: Lambert massively fucked up in the Summer and it's cost us. But not sure you can blame him right now. The money isn't there.

That's not a criticism of Lerner from me either. He has to draw the line somewhere. Lambert has spent £27m in total now hasn't he? In addition to having the same squad McLeish finished 16th with.

He just spent terribly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 06:31:22 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?

Yeah if your a quitter!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 06:31:46 PM: Could be a late surprise at #avfc - in talks with #scfc over possible loan deal for Wilson Palacios

Via John Percy at The Torygraph
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:32:11 PM: Some Stoke midleand Journalist saying we are in talks with Palacios.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 31, 2013, 06:33:24 PM: Reporter from Express & Star

@bren_mcloughlin Hearing there might yet be one last cheeky loan tonight from #avfc - not expecting it to be a big name though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:33:43 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?

Yeah if your a quitter!

In protest at the people running the club ?
Or just carry on regardless and accept our fate ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:35:23 PM: Guardian reporting Palacios story too. Wouldn't mind but CB more vital now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:36:47 PM: We are run appallingly. I have a burning desire to launch that gurning, ginger twat, Faulkner off the top of the Holte, with his gob stuffed full of his quotes post McLeish sacking. He should have been bummed by a gaggle of angry badgers for making the appointment and his conduct prior and since has been abysmal.

Fuck off out of our club Faulkner, you fucking parasite.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2013, 06:36:56 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:32:11 PM
Some Stoke midleand Journalist saying we are in talks with Palacios.

Hope that he's still motivated, because after being excellent at Wigan he's really disappeared from the face of the earth. Still beggars and chooses and all that, and along with the new lad he'd add some required meat in the middle
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nev on January 31, 2013, 06:37:27 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 06:27:53 PM
'BBC Radio Leeds understands Leeds United are to imminently announce a deal to sign Aston Villa left-back Stephen Warnock'

Thanks for the memories Stephen. It's been emotional.

His fucking nightmare of a wife is already tweeting about it.

Everytime I hear his name, I see him colliding almost head first with an advertising hoarding.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 06:38:18 PM: A centreback is priority now. Just what the hell are these muppets playing at. Just get one in and at least give us a chance!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:38:26 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
We are run appallingly. I have a burning desire to launch that gurning, ginger twat, Faulkner off the top of the Holte, with his gob stuffed full of his quotes post McLeish sacking. He should have been bummed by a gaggle of angry badgers for making the appointment and his conduct prior and since has been abysmal.

Fuck off out of our club Faulkner, you fucking parasite.

Bravo sir!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 06:39:21 PM: Dean Scoggins ‏@SunDeanScoggins
Remember Wilson Palacios? Two Prem clubs are trying to loan him...one I think its #avfc
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 06:39:51 PM: Our midfield is as bad as our defence. I'd be happy if we give Wilson a go. Him and our Graham has gotta be better than the current choice
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:40:13 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:35:23 PM
Guardian reporting Palacios story too. Wouldn't mind but CB more vital now.

Another centre mid would'nt go amiss but yes a centre half is what's needed really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:41:25 PM: Remember Wilson Palacios? Could catch on as a nickname if he signs
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 31, 2013, 06:41:42 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 06:10:53 PM

Lambert has played a blinder not getting a centre half into the weakest defence in English football. Total blinder.

He is a right tit.

Pithy and true.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 06:42:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?

Yeah if your a quitter!

In protest at the people running the club ?
Or just carry on regardless and accept our fate ?

All that will do is knock their fragile confidence even further, they need our support now more than ever. There will be plenty of time for recriminations at the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 06:42:34 PM: @TelegraphSport: #AVFC are in talks with #SCFC over the signing of Palacios. Stoke have signed Brek Shea, the US international (and probable anagram ...)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:42:40 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:41:25 PM
Remember Wilson Palacios? Could catch on as a nickname if he signs

Last seen standing on the edge of an 18 yard line wondering just how the fuck did the Villa manage to concede another corner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:45:16 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 06:42:10 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?

Yeah if your a quitter!

In protest at the people running the club ?
Or just carry on regardless and accept our fate ?

All that will do is knock their fragile confidence even further, they need our support now more than ever. There will be plenty of time for recriminations at the end of the season.

Correct.

Hope you're well Chris.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:45:56 PM: Palacios hasn't been the same since one of his relatives was kidnapped and killed. But if it is a loan then not much risk. Hopefully he will know it is last chance for him and will be reinvigorated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:46:24 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 06:39:51 PM
Our midfield is as bad as our defence. I'd be happy if we give Wilson a go. Him and our Graham has gotta be better than the current choice

Must be an improvement - get ba in from porto and it will give us a lift.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 06:46:41 PM: So, is Wilson any cop?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 06:49:10 PM: Was palacios doing well at Wigan around the same time as the Zog?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 06:49:51 PM: Speaking of Stoke and centre backs, Matthew Upson is signing for Brighton with Scott Dann lined up as a replacement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on January 31, 2013, 06:50:11 PM: Warnock a leeds player (not loaned) surely leaving a massive wage for another player ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 06:50:14 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:35:23 PM
Guardian reporting Palacios story too. Wouldn't mind but CB more vital now.

Another centre mid would'nt go amiss but yes a centre half is what's needed really.

I think we need both, but Palacios would be a very welcome addition.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM: Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 06:51:23 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:35:23 PM
Guardian reporting Palacios story too. Wouldn't mind but CB more vital now.

Another centre mid would'nt go amiss but yes a centre half is what's needed really.

I think we need both, but Palacios would be a very welcome addition.

I think he can grow a beard as well!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:52:39 PM: Quote from: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
So, is Wilson any cop?

According to wiki Bruce called him the new Ince. I think he meant it as a compliment and not an observation on the size of his ego. Mind you would you take a recommendation from mr. Potato Head?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:53:20 PM: I'd forgot he played for Small Heath.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM: Pacalios and sylla will add strength and steel to midfield , a centre defender next priority .
Back into the swing at work yet chris?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 06:54:52 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
Pacalios and sylla will add strength and steel to midfield , a centre defender next priority .

If only time moved like it does in Eastie world. Hold your horses Wilsons only a rumour
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 06:56:11 PM: Kendrick confirming it too, with a photo of Wilson, Tom Hanks' buddy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:57:07 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 06:54:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
Pacalios and sylla will add strength and steel to midfield , a centre defender next priority .

If only time moved like it does in Eastie world. Hold your horses Wilsons only a rumour

Hes in talks isnt he? Who would turn down villa having played at shitholes like blues. Stoke and wigan :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 06:58:59 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on January 31, 2013, 06:15:51 PM
Simon Jordan seems to make sense on Sky.

Best thing he ever did was fund the wonderful movie "Telstar".

great movie
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:59:27 PM: Quote from: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
It's about priority. If we assume we are making one more signing, then CB more important now considering Dunne probably won't play again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:59:40 PM: Warnock gone in permanent deal - thats his wages off the bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:01:19 PM: Well, I suppose it's fair to say that a stronger midfield will help our defence look better than they have done (although hardly addresses the set piece problem), but whether a lad from Ligue 2 and Wilson Palacios are the players to do that, I don't know.

Nothing to do but hope like Hell they are, really. From Lambert's comments, I'd say we can expect to see Sylla starting for us pretty soon. Maybe he and Palcios will play as the '2' in a 4-2-3-1?

You know, the formation where we slightly less shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:01:51 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:59:40 PM
Warnock gone in permanent deal - thats his wages off the bill.

Good. If we got Palacios in and an experienced defender I would be pleasantly surprised but still disappointed that we went into six pointers against Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle with such a weak squad. We might have left it too late. Seriously have to start picking up wins.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:02:15 PM: Wow. I only went away fer me tea and returned to find Warnock off the wage bill and Palacios en route. If I take my time over pudding, will we have a known centre back 'pon my return?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 07:03:16 PM: So, is Palacios coming in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:03:24 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
It's about priority. If we assume we are making one more signing, then CB more important now considering Dunne probably won't play again.

Dunne won't play again? He had a setback on Tuesday he didn't lose a limb.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:04:15 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
Wow. I only went away fer me tea and returned to find Warnock off the wage bill and Palacios en route. If I take my time over pudding, will we have a known centre back 'pon my return?

Go and get some supper paul , it may result in another new face.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:04:46 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Is it time to wave the white handkerchiefs against west ham?

Yeah if your a quitter!

You're
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:05:05 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
It's about priority. If we assume we are making one more signing, then CB more important now considering Dunne probably won't play again.

Dunne won't play again? He had a setback on Tuesday he didn't lose a limb.
Slight reaction felt , thats all , whos to say he wont play at everton?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 07:05:46 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM

Back into the swing at work yet chris?

Getting there Eastie, docs will only let me do 12 hours at the moment but I'm enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM: The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:06:19 PM: James Nursey ‏@JamesNursey
#avfc sources say not signing Palacios from Stoke but are working on another loan tbc later
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 07:06:21 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: eamonn on January 31, 2013, 06:46:41 PM
So, is Wilson any cop?

According to wiki Bruce called him the new Ince. I think he meant it as a compliment and not an observation on the size of his ego. Mind you would you take a recommendation from mr. Potato Head?

The view from Stoke fans:

Quote
The poor bastards are enough trouble without Palacios adding to it.

Quote
thought villa were in enough trouble
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 07:06:26 PM: "@JamesNusey#avfc sources say not signing Palacios from Stoke but are working on another loan tbc later"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 07:07:32 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
It's about priority. If we assume we are making one more signing, then CB more important now considering Dunne probably won't play again.

Dunne won't play again? He had a setback on Tuesday he didn't lose a limb.
I meant this season. But clearly it is worse then we are being told if he is failing to shake the injury off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pav on January 31, 2013, 07:07:50 PM: Please no palacios , clay heads think he's shite . And he is
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 07:08:12 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
Wow. I only went away fer me tea and returned to find Warnock off the wage bill and Palacios en route. If I take my time over pudding, will we have a known centre back 'pon my return?

Don't take too long. The way we've been linked to anyone and everyone today, you could come back to a whole new team. Poor old 'Arry must be green with envy that he's lost his crown as the transfer window's premier wheeler and dealer to the wee Glasgow mumbler
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 07:09:34 PM: I think also bearing in mind Baker never seems to play more than three games in a row as well, a centre half should have been high up on the list as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Apyadg on January 31, 2013, 07:09:44 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

I would.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:10:06 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM

Back into the swing at work yet chris?

Getting there Eastie, docs will only let me do 12 hours at the moment but I'm enjoying it so far.

Delighted to hear it mate !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 07:10:27 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 31, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

I would.
I have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 07:10:51 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

Haha!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 07:11:36 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

Fake just like the Palacios story by the looks of things.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:12:01 PM: Quote from: Apyadg on January 31, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

I would.

I'd love too, I've just google stalked her...she's done well for herself from that vid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 07:13:16 PM: @AVFCOfficial:"Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:13:28 PM: Aston Villa FC ‏@AVFCOfficial
Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC

Excited, kinda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:13:37 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on January 31, 2013, 06:51:06 PM
Let me just check, earlier only having signed a kid in midfield when we needed experience was a mistake. We get a link to an experienced centre mid and people are moaning that we don't need him.

Is that about the mood on here now?
It's about priority. If we assume we are making one more signing, then CB more important now considering Dunne probably won't play again.

Dunne won't play again? He had a setback on Tuesday he didn't lose a limb.
I meant this season. But clearly it is worse then we are being told if he is failing to shake the injury off.

Is this you guessing? It sounds like he had a setback, I can't for the life of me see where your getting this idea that he's been ruled out for the rest of the season and there's some conspiracy to keep the truth from the fans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 07:14:38 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 07:13:16 PM
@AVFCOfficial:"Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC"
Imagine the meltdown if nothing happened?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM: Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 07:15:10 PM: It's gonna be Malouda.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:15:13 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
Wow. I only went away fer me tea and returned to find Warnock off the wage bill and Palacios en route. If I take my time over pudding, will we have a known centre back 'pon my return?

Go and get some supper paul , it may result in another new face.

Anything, if it helps! Cheese board....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 07:15:23 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Can hardly wait!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:15:24 PM: Well i'm so excited I could crush a grape.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 07:15:44 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM

Back into the swing at work yet chris?

Getting there Eastie, docs will only let me do 12 hours at the moment but I'm enjoying it so far.

That's almost double what you did before, Chris. ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2013, 07:15:55 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Michael Boulding to return?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:16:30 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Lower key than Wilson Palacios?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 07:16:34 PM: Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on January 31, 2013, 07:13:16 PM
@AVFCOfficial:"Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC"

I wonder who we're selling?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:16:49 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM

Back into the swing at work yet chris?

Getting there Eastie, docs will only let me do 12 hours at the moment but I'm enjoying it so far.

Not very nice of them making you do 12 hour shifts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 07:17:11 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
We are run appallingly. I have a burning desire to launch that gurning, ginger twat, Faulkner off the top of the Holte, with his gob stuffed full of his quotes post McLeish sacking. He should have been bummed by a gaggle of angry badgers for making the appointment and his conduct prior and since has been abysmal.

Fuck off out of our club Faulkner, you fucking parasite.

Bravo sir!
I am sure Ads has an angry badger fetish eastie. ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:17:56 PM: If it's lower key than Palacios must mean we're signing Warnock back on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:18:42 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Burton albion reserve?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:19:10 PM: Malouda would be higher key, surely.

Someone on twitter said.. Wes Brown.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 07:19:30 PM: Just in from work. Have we got rid of Bent yet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:20:08 PM: Not Wes Brown!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 07:20:18 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:13:28 PM
Aston Villa FC ‏@AVFCOfficial
Lights still on at Bodymoor Heath. One more deal still to be done? Stay tuned. #AVFC

Excited, kinda.
Probably Doris doing the vacuuming ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 07:20:49 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 07:19:30 PM
Just in from work. Have we got rid of Bent yet?
Not yet brian, not yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 07:21:03 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:19:10 PM
Malouda would be higher key, surely.

Someone on twitter said.. Wes Brown.
HAHA that was me!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:21:20 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 07:19:30 PM
Just in from work. Have we got rid of Bent yet?

Yep straight swap for Rooney, ireland as well for wilshire!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on January 31, 2013, 07:21:45 PM: Lower key than Wilson Palacios? I'll admit to being slightly less than excited.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 07:22:31 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 06:53:52 PM

Back into the swing at work yet chris?

Getting there Eastie, docs will only let me do 12 hours at the moment but I'm enjoying it so far.

That's good news Chris.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 07:23:34 PM: It's going to be that Chicken coq au vin who plays for Arsenal. Young midfielder.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:23:45 PM: Can anyone come up with a guess as to who be lower key than Palacios and only going out on loan? I'm really struggling...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 31, 2013, 07:24:16 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Lower key than Wilson Palacios?!

This is a bad dream. From Ashley Young and Gareth Barry to lower key than Wilson Palacios. Bright future indeed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:24:55 PM: Owen Wilson?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 31, 2013, 07:26:00 PM: Its going to be Titus Bramble isn't it...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM: Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 07:26:28 PM: Who says it's a loan? They said deal to be done. It's only Pratt Kendrick saying it's a loan
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 07:26:45 PM: Marlon King? Haha!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 07:27:40 PM: We may be utter shit, but we'll never be so low as to employ a sex offender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:27:51 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

The blondie is hotttttt!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 07:28:18 PM: Is Steve Davis lower key than Palacios? Evening Chris glad to see you back in the trenches.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:28:34 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Who says it's a loan? They said deal to be done. It's Pratt Kendrick saying it's a loan
If it is a loan, it's 'told you so'. If it isn't, 'it fell through'.
Who the fuck is it or is it more bullshit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:28:56 PM: Christ, the mind boggles at the thought of someone even lower key than Wilson Palacios.

Surely that'd take us down to Stoke's non-playing staff?

Is it their PA man?

Hopefully it's their CEO.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on January 31, 2013, 07:29:03 PM: Honestly Villa, just save your money and fuck off.
Lower key than a Stoke City reserve. I'm off out for a stiff drink.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:29:18 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
Can anyone come up with a guess as to who be lower key than Palacios and only going out on loan? I'm really struggling...

Barton
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:29:46 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Christ, the mind boggles at the thought of someone even lower key than Wilson Palacios.

Surely that'd take us down to Stoke's non-playing staff?

Is it their PA man?

Hopefully it's their CEO.

Its the vicar from bradford!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:30:10 PM: Mind you, I suppose Dale Stephens or someone would probably count as 'low key'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:30:13 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Christ, the mind boggles at the thought of someone even lower key than Wilson Palacios.

Surely that'd take us down to Stoke's non-playing staff?

Is it their PA man?

Hopefully it's their CEO.

It is a bit mind boggling as to what could be lower key than a Stoke reserve midfielder isn't it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 31, 2013, 07:30:34 PM: Lower key than a stoke reserve?

What a brilliant state this club is in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:30:42 PM: Quote from: LeeB on January 31, 2013, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Michael Boulding to return?

Forrester ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:30:43 PM: Name names nursey!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:30:49 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Who says it's a loan? They said deal to be done. It's only Pratt Kendrick saying it's a loan

Nursey said same, Bramble is definitely one I would say is lower key. What about Mike Williamson? Now that would definitely be lower key. So low key SSN might not even bother reporting it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:30:51 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:29:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:28:56 PM
Christ, the mind boggles at the thought of someone even lower key than Wilson Palacios.

Surely that'd take us down to Stoke's non-playing staff?

Is it their PA man?

Hopefully it's their CEO.

Its the vicar from bradford!

Be better if it was the one from Dibley. At least that one would be a like for like replacement for Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 07:31:12 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

I'd rather we got Wilson Pickett in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:31:25 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Not Wes Brown!!

I like his Mrs ;) Mrs Brown
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:31:46 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:30:43 PM
Name names nursey!
He knows fuck all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:32:10 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Not Wes Brown!!

I like his Mrs ;) Mrs Brown

everthing always works out alright in the end
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:32:21 PM: Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

I'd rather we got Wilson Pickett in.
Or The Flying Pickets.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on January 31, 2013, 07:32:36 PM: Quote
Ian Taylor ‏@IanTaylor7

I think another midfielder in before the end of #DeadlineDay for #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 07:32:55 PM: Could be Dale Stephens i suppose. He wanted him before did'nt he? My first thought was Graham Dorrans for some reason.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:33:09 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

I'd rather we got Wilson Pickett in.
Or The Flying Pickets.

Only you could suggest that :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 07:33:14 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Lower key than Wilson Palacios?!

My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 31, 2013, 07:33:17 PM: Welcome back....Lee Hendrie!

LOL - wonder how many of you will watch SSN and sit on the Internet waiting to see who we sign (if, we sign).
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:34:03 PM: Only Villa could keep a name covered up like this. You've got to say the lack of info that is leaked from the club regarding transfers is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:34:35 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

I'd rather we got Wilson Pickett in.
Or The Flying Pickets.

Or the Flying Scotsman. Would go trough the opposition defence like a train.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:35:01 PM: who do you reckon then ? winner gets to reverse there car around trinity road car park whilst dressed in African attire

i'm going for Barton
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:35:16 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Wilson Phillips? Put more bodies in the squad and the fat one can go in goal.

I'd rather we got Wilson Pickett in.
Or The Flying Pickets.

Or the Flying Scotsman. Would go trough the opposition defence like a train.

Bad enough with the mumbling scotsman.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:35:26 PM: Dd Arry sign Jenas in the end . please not him
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:36:01 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:35:01 PM
who do you reckon then ? winner gets to reverse there car around trinity road car park whilst dressed in African attire

i'm going for Barton

Can i be a moldovan motorbiker?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 07:36:16 PM: So Hutton gone on loan, warcock gone permanently and all we can get is someone from French league 2 and a lower key loan than Wilson fucking Palacios?? What a load of fucking shit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 07:36:22 PM: Quote from: Steve Rose on January 31, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 06:08:56 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
I refuse the watch SSN.Can somebody watch it for me please?

I might watch the BBC version on the red button later. Surely it can't be any worse?

The BBC try to cater for everybody, and do a great job off pleasing no one. SKY on the other hand target a specific audience and therefore have just two job specs.

1. Be a total gobshite that can talk endlessly whilst saying nothing whatsoever

or

2. Have a nice pair of tits

Surely the BBC have a nice pair of tits in Crooks and Lawrenson?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:36:32 PM: Andreas townsend?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:36:37 PM: Howson maybe?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 07:36:46 PM: I think Jenas is a good player, just constantly injured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 07:37:01 PM: Lerners position in this is very interesting, obviously the money isn't there the question is why with so much money coming to thr Prem at the end of the year. It really feels as if he's selling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:37:11 PM: kEA is back?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:38:04 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
I think Jenas is a good player, just constantly injured.

thats why we dont wont him .

did Huddlefeather go fulham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 07:38:20 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:34:03 PM
Only Villa could keep a name covered up like this. You've got to say the lack of info that is leaked from the club regarding transfers is pretty impressive.

Only because we keep buying players that nobody has heard of or would recognise. I bet Sylla sauntered in post the SSN journos completely unnoticed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:38:57 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 07:37:01 PM
Lerners position in this is very interesting, obviously the money isn't there the question is why with so much money coming to thr Prem at the end of the year. It really feels as if he's selling.

Surely much better asset to sell if a premier club though?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 07:39:36 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 07:33:14 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Lower key? Lower key than Wilson Palacios?!

My thoughts exactly

say what you like about lambchop but when it comes to low key signings, there's not a manager i'd back ahead of him to find one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 31, 2013, 07:40:42 PM: I could watch this thread all day.

So much belief and faith in absolute bollocks. It's like religion. Complete fabrication but people choose to believe in it because its all they have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 07:40:49 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 07:37:01 PM
Lerners position in this is very interesting, obviously the money isn't there the question is why with so much money coming to thr Prem at the end of the year. It really feels as if he's selling.

Yep, not putting in more than he possibly can at this stage. Praying we stay up and then recouping some of his losses and selling. Or kicking the cat if we get relegated and his gamble fails.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:41:38 PM: Good to see the OS give Warnock a big send off.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3060633,00.html

Quote
Stephen Warnock has completed a move to Leeds United on a permanent basis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2013, 07:42:22 PM: We paid nearly 8 million for Warnock and let him go for feck all, more poor decisions from the club.

Surprised they havn't got rid of Given yet to get even more off the wage bill.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:43:02 PM: Can someone tell me what colour tie jim white is wearing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:43:41 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
Can someone tell me what colour tie jim white is wearing?

Tie?

He is bollock naked my friend.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 07:44:05 PM: Well bye bye Warnock you useless bastard. Come on Villa sign a centre half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:44:10 PM: i hope Natalies wearing Yellow,
she looks nice in yellow
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2013, 07:44:58 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:41:38 PM
Good to see the OS give Warnock a big send off.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3060633,00.html

Quote
Stephen Warnock has completed a move to Leeds United on a permanent basis.

what they should have done is used that picture with his head in his hands after that quality own goal last year, or on his arse having been torched by Dyer again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 07:45:47 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 07:36:16 PM
So Hutton gone on loan, warcock gone permanently and all we can get is someone from French league 2 and a lower key loan than Wilson fucking Palacios?? What a load of fucking shit

Before you get your hopes up, the second one is not confirmed yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 07:46:08 PM: Is that gimp who pretends he is being texted by managers and players there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: garyellis on January 31, 2013, 07:46:22 PM: Think there is something in the Lerner intends to sell theory. The gamble is we survive and with a now manageable wage bill and increased revenue we are an attractive proposition for a prospective buyer.
The risk is we go down and then so does the price but he has probably factored that in as a risk already and made his call.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 07:46:38 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

:o

a-MAZING!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 07:46:51 PM: Quote from: manic-road on January 31, 2013, 07:42:22 PM
We paid nearly 8 million for Warnock and let him go for feck all, more poor decisions from the club.

Surprised they havn't got rid of Given yet to get even more off the wage bill.

I think Warnock was out of contract at the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 07:47:54 PM: I make that only 3 MON signings left if you don't include Petrov. yay! etc...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:48:46 PM: Quote from: garyellis on January 31, 2013, 07:46:22 PM
Think there is something in the Lerner intends to sell theory. The gamble is we survive and with a now manageable wage bill and increased revenue we are an attractive proposition for a prospective buyer.
The risk is we go down and then so does the price but he has probably factored that in as a risk already and made his call.

Seems a plausible explanation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 07:49:14 PM: Dan Gosling I reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 07:50:28 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Or not that excited..

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick
Think @JamesNursey is right (things you thought you'd never say!) There has been talk of WP, but now told to expect a lower key loanee

Can one get lower key?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 07:50:49 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 07:49:14 PM
Dan Gosling I reckon.
Danny fucking Baker more like.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 07:50:59 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 07:46:38 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

:o

a-MAZING!

This is funny, surely a piss take
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 07:51:19 PM: The lad from Newcastle.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:51:23 PM: Quote
the club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

fro the official twitter.

Robbie Keane.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:51:24 PM: @AVFCOfficial: The club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2013, 07:51:40 PM: I'm about to board a plane. I expect upon landing around 10pm your time that we've secured the help we need to get out of this bollocks.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:51:54 PM: Quote from: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 07:46:38 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

:o

a-MAZING!

Anyone got a cat suit?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:52:00 PM: Just beat me paulie- promising suggests young ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 07:52:29 PM: Bollocks. I'd rather have had Wes Brown.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 07:53:00 PM: Official twitter

The club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:53:06 PM: Is it peltys son?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 07:53:23 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
@AVFCOfficial: The club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

OH FFS!!! THEY'RE JUST TOTALLY FUCKING CLUELESS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2013, 07:53:24 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Just beat me paulie- promising suggests young ?

Paulie - well done on beating eastie to it. Fuck knows how you managed that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:53:38 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Just beat me paulie- promising suggests young ?

I think they're joking.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 07:54:26 PM: Juan Pablo Angel? :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:54:27 PM: Diana ross would fit in nicely in this team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:54:36 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
Quote
the club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

fro the official twitter.

Robbie Keane.

Does the official Twitter feed usually do this sort of 'hint, hint' thing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:55:19 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:54:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
Quote
the club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

fro the official twitter.

Robbie Keane.

Does the official Twitter feed usually do this sort of 'hint, hint' thing?

Doesnt the mls start again in a months time?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:55:27 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
@AVFCOfficial: The club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

Who is at NY red bulls? The Houllier link might be in play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'Rexy on January 31, 2013, 07:55:39 PM: We are apparently in for Upson and Palacios on loan. Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2013, 07:56:00 PM: Quote from: Doorbell on January 31, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
The transfer ups and downs on this thread are a bit like this;

Aw, I thought she was going to jiggle her jubbly-wamblats up and down! Yet anotherdisappointment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 07:56:06 PM: Quote from: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
Juan Pablo Angel? :D

his son
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:56:50 PM: I bet you what you like it is Robbie Keane.

As i said, the promising thing will be a joke, suggesting he's an up and coming player rather than a grizzled veteran.

I'd be glad to have him back, but really, him on loan and a kid from the French second division is way, way short of what we needed this window.

Pathetically so.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM: Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 07:57:07 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 07:54:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
Quote
the club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

fro the official twitter.

Robbie Keane.

Does the official Twitter feed usually do this sort of 'hint, hint' thing?

Doesnt the mls start again in a months time?

Yes. So it is either till the summer, or for about 4 games, so taking the piss even more!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:57:15 PM: we'd all do fucking great on that pointless TV game show programe
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 07:57:20 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
@AVFCOfficial: The club is looking to do a loan deal with a promising player who has recently done well in MLS. #AVFC

Bullshit! Beckham has already signed up for PSG.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:57:40 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
I bet you what you like it is Robbie Keane.

As i said, the promising thing will be a joke, suggesting he's an up and coming player rather than a grizzled veteran.

I'd be glad to have him back, but really, him on loan and a kid from the French second division is way, way short of what we needed this window.

Pathetically so.

But surely it would only be for 3 weeks if it was keane?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: manic-road on January 31, 2013, 07:57:43 PM: Beckham, oh no he has just signed for someone else.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 07:57:51 PM: Won't be Keane, he'd only be available for a game now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:58:19 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
I bet you what you like it is Robbie Keane.

As i said, the promising thing will be a joke, suggesting he's an up and coming player rather than a grizzled veteran.

I'd be glad to have him back, but really, him on loan and a kid from the French second division is way, way short of what we needed this window.

Pathetically so.

But surely it would only be for 3 weeks if it was keane?

They are sufficiently short sighted.

In fact, they probably haven't realised.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:59:28 PM: Brooklyn beckham or krulak jnr?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:59:29 PM: Seems strange for Villa to release this info before it's done.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 07:59:57 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Just beat me paulie- promising suggests young ?

I think they're joking.

You'd think that this is hardly the time to be joking. Wankers!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 08:01:09 PM: There hasn't been a player who has been on loan to the MLS, is there? Does that even happen? Because a loanee from there would be almost entirely pointless.

It's going to be Robbie Keane, isn't it?

SIgh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:01:18 PM: Has to be until the end of the season, because if not it is a right piss take. Whoever the feck it is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:01:46 PM: A younk kid and a possible loan or two for a team in danger of relegation and an owner who has always supplied the money in the past just smells of putting the books in order.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on January 31, 2013, 08:02:08 PM: They must be pretty sure to start hinting at something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:02:51 PM: Maybe randy owes someone a favour and is flying his son in for a few games?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM: People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:03:15 PM: Robbie keane is higher key than palacios?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 08:03:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 07:15:24 PM
Well i'm so excited I could crush a grape.
Make sure you are not sitting on it!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:03:30 PM: Have we ever done this hinting at things before under Lerner? I can't think of any which is why it strikes me as strange to do it now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:04:25 PM: I wonder what Freddy Adu is up to these days.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 31, 2013, 08:04:32 PM: Quote from: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.

Doesn't he do restaurant reviews?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curlytailavfc on January 31, 2013, 08:04:39 PM: looks like Lerners not very interested in us staying in the prem then
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:04:45 PM: Giles barnes - didnt he play at derby?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:04:59 PM: Quote from: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.

whooooooooooooooooooooo?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:05:38 PM: Didn't Giles Barnes play for Albion?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Yes she is available and I am her errr agent. So make your opening bid.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 08:06:06 PM: Giles Barnes looked very promising the season Derby came up, his career went down the toilet after his injury though. I can't see it being him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:06:08 PM: In answer to my question, yes he did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Barnes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 31, 2013, 08:06:45 PM: I hope its not jay spearing.. Maybe shaun derry is available now?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:06:58 PM: This is so farcical its almost funny now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:07:00 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
i hope Natalies wearing Yellow,
she looks nice in yellow

yyeeeessss
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 08:07:04 PM: Don't panic. Yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:07:14 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.

whooooooooooooooooooooo?

He was one of the players in the record breaking Derby side in the Prem. Looked like their only decent player and was linked to several moves when they went down. Looks like his career plummeted ever since.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:07:19 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Yes she is available and I am her errr agent. So make your opening bid.

10 cats. take it or leave it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:07:43 PM: Giles Barnes was good at Derby and then got progressively worse. He was injured or shite at the Albion. If memory serves me right. Not defensive not what we need
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:07:55 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
i hope Natalies wearing Yellow,
she looks nice in yellow
Tie ?

yyeeeessss

Tie?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:08:18 PM: Giles Barnes was a lazy waster.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:08:50 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Yes she is available and I am her errr agent. So make your opening bid.

Three months trial, one cat at the end of the trial period...if she lasts six months I will double the offer. That's right, two cats by mid summer. What's Redknapp offering?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:09:06 PM: It can't be the same one can it? Surely not. They're insane
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:09:10 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
i hope Natalies wearing Yellow,
she looks nice in yellow
Tie ?

yyeeeessss

Tie?

same
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:09:21 PM: My east midlands mates say Barnes has ego problems verging on being unmanageable. Would suit Mr Mumble perfectly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:10:17 PM: Surely it couldnt be gilles barnes - hes shittervthan albrighton.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:10:59 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.

whooooooooooooooooooooo?

He was one of the players in the record breaking Derby side in the Prem. Looked like their only decent player and was linked to several moves when they went down. Looks like his career plummeted ever since.

I remember. Just amazed its the same one
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:11:08 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
It can't be the same one can it? Surely not. They're insane

Who knows at this stage? They're capable of anything these bunch of 'custodians'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 08:11:10 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 06:12:19 PM
He is the worst manager Aston Villa have ever had.

No not by a long way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:12:14 PM: This must be someone playing a joke surely?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:13:01 PM: Jenas is locked out of the ground at QPR, hilarious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:13:28 PM: Maybe it's JPA's kid?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:13:37 PM: I assume we're picking Giles Barnes from nowhere? it surely cannot be him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 08:13:51 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: B36 Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
People on Facebook are saying its Giles Barnes who plays Houston dynamos.

whooooooooooooooooooooo?

He was one of the players in the record breaking Derby side in the Prem. Looked like their only decent player and was linked to several moves when they went down. Looks like his career plummeted ever since.

I remember. Just amazed its the same one

I think he missed most of that famous season though? The season he came up he was one of their outstanding players. I remember him scoring some crackers that season. That injury he had did for him though I reckon, hence ending up at the MLS.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:13:58 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:13:01 PM
Jenas is locked out of the ground at QPR, hilarious.

Don't they have a wheel chair ramp?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:14:41 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:13:01 PM
Jenas is locked out of the ground at QPR, hilarious.

The owner has just looked him up online.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM: People saying the official twitter has been hacked
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:15:22 PM: So Warnock and Hutton off the wage bill and no sign of battle hardened premier league players. A cheap young player with no experience of England in.

This month has confirmed beyond doubt, Randy is planning for life outside the Premier League. Nobody expects spending like administration-bound QPR, but we have given up without any fight. Astonishing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:16:21 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

Didn't Ian Taylor comment on it too? or was that in response to the Offical tweet?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:16:36 PM: Barnes has only played 4 games in MLS so I cant see how it would be him if the player is someone who has done well over there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:17:10 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

It is on the official Facebook as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:18:12 PM: I can only assume one of two things

Either Lerner is punishing us (the fans) for being what we are and the way we are or

He has reason or reasons unknown for wanting to impoverish himself temporarily or at least appear less wealthy on paper than he really is.

I cannot honestly think of any other sane reason for what is happening in front of our eyes.

He is forfeiting our Premiership status.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:18:14 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

It is on the official Facebook as well.

its on your FB, thats the only one thats good for me
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:18:33 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us

And HMV

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57566902/ex-hmv-employee-lets-loose-on-company-twitter-feed/
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:18:37 PM: Quote from: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
Barnes has only played 4 games in MLS so I cant see how it would be him if the player is someone who has done well over there.

9 altogether for Houston including their post season crapness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:18:46 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us

More likely it is twats being unable to spot that parody twitter account.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:19:20 PM: It is the real account Paulie, but probably been hacked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: phantom limb on January 31, 2013, 08:19:22 PM: Whoever it is I hope they're a central defender, and not shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:19:54 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us

More likely it is twats being unable to spot that parody twitter account.

It's on the official FB page as well.

http://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial?fref=ts
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:20:14 PM: Bent not being sold has suprised me, only used sparingly and Lambert could use the money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:20:19 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us

We reset the password and go again.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:21:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
People saying the official twitter has been hacked

honestly, this could only happen to us

More likely it is twats being unable to spot that parody twitter account.

It's on the official FB page as well.

http://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial?fref=ts

No I mean the people saying they think it had been hacked are actually looking at tweets from that parody account, and the official twitter has been hacked - not spotting the parody acct
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 31, 2013, 08:22:19 PM: Not hacked. They would be all over it by now, whether it be on the site or through media. There trying to make our evening as interesting as possible. Will mask the lack of real activity
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:22:55 PM: somebody has bid for Diame
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 08:23:14 PM: Diame on the way.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:23:35 PM: Prays

Late on, Diame would be like getting the bloody saviour in.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:23:43 PM: Diame has been bid for. :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:23:46 PM: SSN reporting an unnamed club have triggered West Hams Diame's release clause. Just sayin.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:23:46 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
somebody has bid for Diame

QPR probably.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:23:55 PM: SSN says an unnamed Premier League club have activated Diame's release clause.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:24:32 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
somebody has bid for Diame

QPR probably.
#

Most likely
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:24:40 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:23:35 PM
Prays

Late on, Diame would be like getting the bloody saviour in.

Pleeeeeease by true...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:24:44 PM: QPR or Arsenal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:24:48 PM: Let's piss the Stripeys off and sign Odemwingie.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:25:06 PM: Nailed on to be QPR.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:25:20 PM: Someone has shared the link from the twitter to the Facebook page It's not a status update
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:25:33 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
somebody has bid for Diame

QPR probably.

wanker Arry .. noooo
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:25:41 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:23:35 PM
Prays

Late on, Diame would be like getting the bloody saviour in.

Pleeeeeease by true...

Nah we are going for a loan from mls
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:25:53 PM: It can't possibly be us, control yourselves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:26:06 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
Bent not being sold has suprised me, only used sparingly and Lambert could use the money.

Or more likely they couldn't shift him. 80k a week is a fair bit for all but the top clubs to find
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:26:16 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
somebody has bid for Diame

QPR probably.

well If they got him , we are down and they will stay up
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:26:18 PM: Everything's pointing to a 'nothing special' loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:26:43 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Let's piss the Stripeys off and sign Odemwingie.

If he can defend cornalties get him in!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:26:44 PM: It's not us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 31, 2013, 08:26:45 PM: Did Giles Barnes escape out of a toilet to join or leave Marseille?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:27:03 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Let's piss the Stripeys off and sign Odemwingie.

Insider knowledge dave or just being naughty?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 08:27:18 PM: Presumably as QPR haven't yet bid for every footballer in the known universe then it will be them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aev on January 31, 2013, 08:27:25 PM: I reckon Spurs in for Diame.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:27:26 PM: A late oh shit he would be some use lets shell the cash would be useful on Diame!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:27:47 PM: i reckon it will be arsenal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2013, 08:28:04 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:23:43 PM
Diame has been bid for. :o

Not a chance that it is us :-(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 08:28:16 PM: Danny Shittu, on loan for 4 months.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 08:28:32 PM: Hopefully it is Arsenal. Would hate to see 'Arry get him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2013, 08:28:32 PM: Quote from: john e on January 31, 2013, 08:27:47 PM
i reckon it will be arsenal

Redknapp.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:28:51 PM: Its alright bidding until we find out we have offered wotsits and star wars trump cards for wages
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:28:57 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:26:18 PM
Everything's pointing to a 'nothing special' loan.
Hopefully it will quell the criticism of Lerner and Skidmark Faulkner, they've really gone the extra mile for us in this window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 08:29:13 PM: Chirs Kamara reckons he's heard it's Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 08:29:28 PM: I'd have thought if it was QPR we'd have been hearing about it all day.
They're not exactly secretive are they?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:29:45 PM: Everton must be a shout for Diame
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 08:30:29 PM: If Diame has a release clause, then why wait till the end of the month? I'd have gone straight in for him on Jan 1st.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PGW on January 31, 2013, 08:31:08 PM: It's Miss Diame from Crossroads we've bid for!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:31:16 PM: More gruel ! What ! You want more gruel!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 08:31:27 PM: Diame clause activated?

(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/kasper36/Newcastle%20United%20FC%20-%20The%20Animated%20Series/qpr.gif)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:31:46 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:29:45 PM
Everton must be a shout for Diame

Must be a london club as late as this i reckon.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:32:02 PM: well whoever it is, its not going to be us which is all that matters really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:32:30 PM: Thats brilliant
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:32:33 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:26:18 PM
Everything's pointing to a 'nothing special' loan.
Hopefully it will quell the criticism of Lerner and Skidmark Faulkner, they've really gone the extra mile for us in this window.

It is the fact they moved so fast once the weaknesses were identified.

But seriously, to wait until the last day(s) to save money getting a Ligue2 player and 'a 'nothing special' loan' was such a master stroke, I'm surprised Faulkner hasn't been head hunted by Citeh in a similar fashion that Kenyon was chased by Chelski.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:32:35 PM: Hear the player Aston Villa are looking to loan could be Simon Dawkins, who was at Tottenham and San Jose Earthquakes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PGW on January 31, 2013, 08:32:41 PM: After all Miss Diame has been on loan in Coronation Street fairly recently....so seen some action!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:32:55 PM: More chance Barnet have put a bid in for Diame than we have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 31, 2013, 08:33:37 PM: Quote from: PGW on January 31, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
It's Miss Diame from Crossroads we've bid for!

That's Ok if Benny comes too!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Shrek on January 31, 2013, 08:33:53 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
If Diame has a release clause, then why wait till the end of the month? I'd have gone straight in for him on Jan 1st.

I'd guess its so the player can't hold out for bigger wages. It would be now or never.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 31, 2013, 08:33:57 PM: I feel like a Jehovah's witness on Christmas Eve.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:34:09 PM: Quote from: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
I'm surprised Faulkner hasn't been head hunted by Citeh in a similar fashion that Kenyon was chased by Chelski.
Unlikely, unless they ever take up Father Ted freak pointing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:34:25 PM: A forward on loan from Spurs? Fuck off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2013, 08:34:32 PM: just heard the loan signing is Dan Gosling!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:34:42 PM: Matt Law from the Mirror thinks the MLS player is a guy called Simon Dawkins who is a Spurs player, and a forward.

Centre back anyone?? Nah
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 08:34:47 PM: He's still a Spurs player according to Wiki, just been on loan in USA.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 08:35:34 PM: Simon Dawkins? Is....is that really the best we can manage now? Crikey.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:35:36 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:34:42 PM
Matt Law from the Mirror thinks the MLS player is a guy called Simon Dawkins who is a Spurs player, and a forward.

Centre back anyone?? Nah

Just looked him up as no idea who he is, apparently can play as an attacking MF as well as a forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:35:44 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
Hear the player Aston Villa are looking to loan could be Simon Dawkins, who was at Tottenham and San Jose Earthquakes.

forward , attacking midfielder ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 08:36:15 PM: SIMON DAWKINS??????
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 08:36:17 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
Let's piss the Stripeys off and sign Odemwingie.

Baggies haven't given him permission to speak to QPR. Typical Redknapp.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:36:21 PM: A forward who is a nobody, that would be the dumbest idea ever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:36:39 PM: This just gets better and better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:36:51 PM: Are we even getting a loan I'm not sure the lights on at bodymoor Heath was an official tweet either ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 08:36:59 PM: Dawkins - 11 apps at Leyton Orient, 0 goals. Sounds like a good deal doesn't it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 08:37:09 PM: Aston Villa should have its own tele series, what a great comedy it would make.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:37:14 PM: Low key is not the word.

Fuck about, you need a 6"5 brick shithouse, which there are a few in MLS, we go for a wiry 5"10 attacking mid.

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 08:37:17 PM: I'd rather Richard Dawkins.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:37:31 PM: Underwhelmed in the extreme. It just gets bloody worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 08:38:01 PM: 25 years old? Still a Spurs player?! I mean WTF?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:38:05 PM: I would rather nobody that some forward. The last thing we need is a forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:38:08 PM: we deserve to go down . well we dont as fans and our great club but ffs Lerner and Faulkner , what are you trying to do ..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:38:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
A forward who is a nobody, that would be the dumbest idea ever.

Don't tempt fate, I'd back them to do something even dumber.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Situation on January 31, 2013, 08:38:20 PM: This is the worst Villa defense ever and obviously signing another striker will fix this!

Good one Villa!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:38:21 PM: I'd prefer Stephen Hawking, at least he'd be more mobile than Dunne.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 08:38:29 PM: Quote from: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
I'd rather Richard Dawkins.

Or Stephen Hawking
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2013, 08:38:36 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
Hear the player Aston Villa are looking to loan could be Simon Dawkins, who was at Tottenham and San Jose Earthquakes.

forward , attacking midfielder ?

Good grief.

I don't *do* 'transfer deadline day' but if all we end up with is a couple of unknown loans we are truly fucked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 08:38:41 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
A forward who is a nobody, that would be the dumbest idea ever.

It's right up there with us signing a tennis player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:38:53 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:34:42 PM
Matt Law from the Mirror thinks the MLS player is a guy called Simon Dawkins who is a Spurs player, and a forward.

Centre back anyone?? Nah

Just looked him up as no idea who he is, apparently can play as an attacking MF as well as a forward.

He's had lengthy battles with injuries apparently, he's a forward and we can improve him as a player for spurs.....massive face palm
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:39:00 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on January 31, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
just heard the loan signing is Dan Gosling!
Terrible signing.
Our goose is cooked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:39:35 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:36:51 PM
Are we even getting a loan I'm not sure the lights on at bodymoor Heath was an official tweet either ?

The lights may be on, but nobody's home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:40:01 PM: Taking the fucking piss. A centre back was the play. Upson going to Brighton and we sign a bloke who failed a trial at Bournmouth 12 months ago, and tease it on twitter like it is Kaka. Madness
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:40:18 PM: What's the point? If he's any good he'll fuck off back to Spuds like Kyle Walker.

I swear, it's like Lambert is managing a team playing another sport than football.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:40:30 PM: I don't think anyone knows who it is, it can't be this Dawkins bloke. It makes absolutely no sense at all even for us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:40:49 PM: I don't know how much further down Lerner and Faulkner could drag our prestige.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 08:40:55 PM: BREAKING.Aston Villa looking to bring in Simon Dawkins(San Jose),courtesy of @Matt_Law_SM
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:41:04 PM: Gobsmacked !!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:41:11 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on January 31, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
just heard the loan signing is Dan Gosling!
Terrible signing.
Our goose is cooked.

Would be beautiful, taking us back to page swan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:41:22 PM: No It isn't Dawkins. It's Hawking. Emeritus Professor of Physics Gonville and Caius. He will put some extra grunt into our defence
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 08:42:07 PM: Gosling 13 games in 3 years. This hawkwing fella, never fucking heard of him, must be a prank, in reality we can't stoop that low can we?

Let's hope that we're aiming even lower than the board with these rumours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 08:42:17 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:40:30 PM
I don't think anyone knows who it is, it can't be this Dawkins bloke. It makes absolutely no sense at all even for us.

Ah you see, Paul. That's where you could so easily be wrong.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:42:27 PM: Dawkins?

Actually, Dawkins would be quite apt, because after this season i'm convinced there is no God.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 08:42:34 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:40:30 PM
I don't think anyone knows who it is, it can't be this Dawkins bloke. It makes absolutely no sense at all even for us.

Substitute the word Dawkins for Mcleish and its like déjà vu.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:42:47 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
BREAKING.Aston Villa looking to bring in Simon Dawkins(San Jose),courtesy of @Matt_Law_SM

Wow. Are half season tickets still available?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 08:42:48 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
What's the point? If he's any good he'll fuck off back to Spuds like Kyle Walker.

I swear, it's like Lambert is managing a team playing another sport than football.

I wouldn't mind improving someone for another team if it meant we stopped up. But this looks awful unless Vlaar and Dunne suddenly play together and we don't let a goal in for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:42:56 PM: Where's the mad cat woman? She'd be a better signing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 08:43:07 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
No It isn't Dawkins. It's Hawking. Emeritus Professor of Physics Gonville and Caius. He will put some extra grunt into our defence

Well we may just need an expert in black holes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:43:14 PM: Spurs after Damieo and we get there cast offs
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:43:16 PM: Who the fuck is Dawkins? oh fuck right off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 08:43:25 PM: WE NEED A CENTREBACK YOU THICK ******
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:43:46 PM: Lambert's rapidly turning us into a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:44:00 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Where's the mad cat woman? She'd be a better signing
We're in talks with the Log Lady.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:44:37 PM: dont worry LAmbert will play Vlarr , Clark , Baker , Lowton and Herd all at CB next game
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 08:44:57 PM: Perhaps they're punishing us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:45:17 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:43:46 PM
Lerner's rapidly turning us into a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it.

Fixed it for you.

I'm pretty sure he'd be chasing better players if the owner gave him the money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 08:45:55 PM: I know Dunne suffered a set back but do we actually know how serious it is? Will he play any part this season?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:46:06 PM: Quote from: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 08:44:57 PM
Perhaps they're punishing us?

Sure feels like it. It's been a rather long punishment though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:46:14 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Where's the mad cat woman? She'd be a better signing

We had a look at it, but it just didn't work for us in terms of fleas and wages
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on January 31, 2013, 08:46:24 PM: Quote from: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 08:37:17 PM
I'd rather Richard Dawkins.

I'd rather Stephen Hawkings
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:46:31 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:43:46 PM
Lambert's rapidly turning us into a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it.

The guys a clueless tosser!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:46:35 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 08:45:55 PM
I know Dunne suffered a set back but do we actually know how serious it is? Will he play any part this season?

As we are into Feb and he's yet to play this season I wouldn't want to be banking on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:46:44 PM: we are in freefall , every tom , dick and his cat has said WE NEED EXPERIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on January 31, 2013, 08:47:00 PM: Why do they do this to us no wonder the whole football world are taking the piss, I give up.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 08:47:10 PM: All I can say so far is
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:47:27 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:43:46 PM
Lerner's rapidly turning us into a laughing stock off the pitch as well as on it.

Fixed it for you.

I'm pretty sure he'd be chasing better players if the owner gave him the money.

Same thing. Lambert is randy's poodle. Anyone with any self-respect would have walked by now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:47:52 PM: @MatKendrick: I've heard the looming loanee signing is a player Paul Lambert has been monitoring for a while, so the #avfc gaffer clearly rates him

@MatKendrick: Still waiting for confirmation, but @Matt_Law_SM usually knows his stuff (when he's not choking on a negative book, that is!)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 08:48:00 PM: Diame = Fulham
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 08:48:08 PM: Who are our scouts?

We've had a guy in Germany for months and we manage to come up with an unknown from the French second division and a bloke so shit Leyton Orient fucked him off and he's 25 and played less than 20 games in England.

There's something very very wrong going on at the club, non of this makes any sense at all unless they've given up. Wouldn't be surprised to see someone sold just before the end of the window just to top off some real awful business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:48:20 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
we are in freefall , every tom , dick and his cat has said WE NEED EXPERIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No.
We need players on Championship style wages, the club are preparing for life down there so you'd best get used to it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 08:48:24 PM: I'll have a gander and then ake up my mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:48:32 PM: I find it staggering there's not one centre back or midfield behemoth on the whole of the planet we couldn't bring in. It's a genuine mental block with Lambert, it has to be. Why bring in a loan like this that will probably hardly play and will make no difference to our weaknesses if he does?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:48:42 PM: It's genuinely hard to imagine the management doing such a shite job if they were doing it deliberately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:49:28 PM: It is crazy. Go down, Lambert has nowhere to run.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 08:49:43 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:47:52 PM
@MatKendrick: I've heard the looming loanee signing is a player Paul Lambert has been monitoring for a while, so the #avfc gaffer clearly rates him

Yeah he clearly rates him. That's why he waited til gone 8pm on 31st of Jan to sign him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 08:49:49 PM: Dawkins? I think the hope is that he'll evolve into a better player.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2013, 08:50:28 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:47:52 PM
@MatKendrick: I've heard the looming loanee signing is a player Paul Lambert has been monitoring for a while, so the #avfc gaffer clearly rates him

@MatKendrick: Still waiting for confirmation, but @Matt_Law_SM usually knows his stuff (when he's not choking on a negative book, that is!)

Its alexi lalas
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:50:37 PM: This cant be dawkins surely, he wasnt any good at orient - lambert must be taking the piss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:51:13 PM: What staggers me is that it took thirty one days, two cup exits and four losses to bring these players in
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:51:36 PM: Lambert rates him? Phew, reassured now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 08:51:47 PM: Two hours to go chaps and I suggest we contact QPR and put in a bid for Arry. Get the paperwork cleared by 22.00 and then Arry can sign 40 players for us by 22.45.

Including at least 20 centre halves!

and several wingers.

But dont tell Mumbles
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on January 31, 2013, 08:51:57 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:47:52 PM
@MatKendrick: I've heard the looming loanee signing is a player Paul Lambert has been monitoring for a while, so the #avfc gaffer clearly rates him

@MatKendrick: Still waiting for confirmation, but @Matt_Law_SM usually knows his stuff (when he's not choking on a negative book, that is!)

My money is on Dan Gosling - Lambert's been linked with him several times prior to this window
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 08:52:14 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
What staggers me is that it took thirty one days, two cup exits and four losses to bring these players in

I don't understand why the transfer window doesn't just last 24 hours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:52:23 PM: Quote from: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
It's genuinely hard to imagine the management doing such a shite job if they were doing it deliberately.

That's it.

I find it hard to believe that the never ending omnishambles of the last three years is the result of people actually thinking they're doing their best for us.

Woeful incompetence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on January 31, 2013, 08:52:37 PM: What is worst is the club hinted at it as if we were going to get excited by this signing FFS! They really are out of touch!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:52:57 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I find it staggering there's not one centre back or midfield behemoth on the whole of the planet we couldn't bring in. It's a genuine mental block with Lambert, it has to be. Why bring in a loan like this that will probably hardly play and will make no difference to our weaknesses if he does?!

aye, its mental. Lampchop must have seriously looked at our defence and gone "nowt wrong with that, lets get another forward in"
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:53:14 PM: simon dawkins on SSN ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:53:24 PM: Nobody was after a superstar. In fact, the kind of grafters we needed in key areas were likely to be low key. But this is a farce.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:53:28 PM: On SSN now. it's Dawkins. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:53:35 PM: I was bemused by Jordan Bowery but really? This?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:39 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I find it staggering there's not one centre back or midfield behemoth on the whole of the planet we couldn't bring in. It's a genuine mental block with Lambert, it has to be. Why bring in a loan like this that will probably hardly play and will make no difference to our weaknesses if he does?!

aye, its mental. Lampchop must have seriously looked at our defence and gone "nowt wrong with that, lets get another forward in"

Lambchop has lost his fucking balls
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:54:01 PM: Also, the trailing of it on he official twitter account as if we're working on something big is so small time, I doubt Small Heath would have done it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:54:09 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
simon dawkins on SSN ;(

You are fucking joking?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:54:14 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
It's genuinely hard to imagine the management doing such a shite job if they were doing it deliberately.

That's it.

I find it hard to believe that the never ending omnishambles of the last three years is the result of people actually thinking they're doing their best for us.

Woeful incompetence.

We all said previously that the McLeish appointment was so unbelievable, it was almost like a deliberate sabotage.

Is all this some sort of strange tax dodge?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:54:19 PM: Fulham have apparently triggered Diames clause
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2013, 08:54:30 PM: we're not fickle, we just think you are fucktards
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:54:46 PM: Simon Dawkins, this is utter fucking insanity. Of all the places were are stocked up it's forwards, the last thing we need is a nobody forward. We needed a defender you useless bastard Lambert. This is worse than not signing anyone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:54:54 PM: Fuck off lambert you useless twat!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:55:06 PM: The club is being deliberately sabotaged.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 08:55:48 PM: I think it's best to wait and see who it actually is until we start the inquest. 2 hours ago we thought it was Palacios and an hour ago we thought it was Giles Barnes. That said, Simon Dawkins is a bit of strange name for a journalist to spring out the air.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 08:55:49 PM: There is no surprise. There is not a more piss poorly run and managed club in the league.

We're as big a calamity and joke as SHA.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:56:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I find it staggering there's not one centre back or midfield behemoth on the whole of the planet we couldn't bring in. It's a genuine mental block with Lambert, it has to be. Why bring in a loan like this that will probably hardly play and will make no difference to our weaknesses if he does?!

aye, its mental. Lampchop must have seriously looked at our defence and gone "nowt wrong with that, lets get another forward in"

Lambchop has lost his fucking balls

What else could Lambert do with a maximium of £3m though Ozz?
I was told by a journo at E&S that was all that was in the kitty.

The blame lies fairly and squarely with Blandy Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 08:56:54 PM: As I said, we're not buying for survival, we're buying for the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:56:59 PM: There will be a swap deal involving Darren Bent and a centre half before the evening is out, mark my words.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 08:57:10 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I find it staggering there's not one centre back or midfield behemoth on the whole of the planet we couldn't bring in. It's a genuine mental block with Lambert, it has to be. Why bring in a loan like this that will probably hardly play and will make no difference to our weaknesses if he does?!

aye, its mental. Lampchop must have seriously looked at our defence and gone "nowt wrong with that, lets get another forward in"

Lambchop has lost his fucking balls

And his mind.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:57:12 PM: Is this Simon Dawkins thing confirmed ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 08:57:21 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:55:06 PM
The club is being deliberately sabotaged.

I've been thinking similar. How else can you explain this? What the fuck is going on at our club? I despair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:57:31 PM: Let's fucking hope not.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 08:57:42 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 08:55:06 PM
The club is being deliberately sabotaged.
That's now my conclusion Brian.

I don't know the ins and outs, but i'm certain that the club is being starved to death.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:57:43 PM: I'm not going to write him off before we've seen him, but this just stinks of desperation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:57:47 PM: This club is being run into the ground by lerner, faulkner and lambert- all as clueless as each other - very depressed now!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2013, 08:58:06 PM: wonder what will happen on here if Bent leaves at 10:59, with no other players coming in?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:58:08 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Is this Simon Dawkins thing confirmed ?

No.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:58:36 PM: Truly gobsmacking.

Honestly, it is just beyond a joke that that is all our business.

Desperate for a bit of experience, we opt for two more kids who have never kicked a ball at the top level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 08:58:48 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 08:56:54 PM
As I said, we're not buying for survival, we're buying for the Championship.

Or even lower!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 08:58:55 PM: Who the fuck is Simon Dawkins?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2013, 08:59:04 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I'm not going to write him off before we've seen him, but this just stinks of desperation.
25 years old, been at Spurs most of his career without playing for them. Doesn't strike me as being someone who will save us from relegation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 08:59:12 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I'm not going to write him off before we've seen him, but this just stinks of desperation.

You know what? I am. I am just plain writing him off immediately.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:59:20 PM: Quote from: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
There will be a swap deal involving Darren Bent and a centre half before the evening is out, mark my words.
Now that sounds sensible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 31, 2013, 08:59:38 PM: Jesus H. we used to have spies everywhere on H&V, people who could track Randy's plane, people working at hospitals where the medicals were done, now we can't even get a 10:4 on Simon fuckin Dawkins down Bodymoor Heath. Sad day for all concerned.

Click here for Barnsley tickets...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ross on January 31, 2013, 08:59:40 PM: Quote from: Summers on January 31, 2013, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Is this Simon Dawkins thing confirmed ?

No.

Not yet. We're trying to find a pen that works.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:59:45 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I'm not going to write him off before we've seen him, but this just stinks of desperation.

It's not even that, it makes absolutely no sense at all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:00:25 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
There will be a swap deal involving Darren Bent and a centre half before the evening is out, mark my words.
Now that sounds sensible.

Probably wes fukkin brown .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 09:00:36 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Yes she is available and I am her errr agent. So make your opening bid.

10 cats. take it or leave it.
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
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Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Have we signed anybody? And more importantly, is yer woman in the video still single? ;)
Yes she is available and I am her errr agent. So make your opening bid.

Three months trial, one cat at the end of the trial period...if she lasts six months I will double the offer. That's right, two cats by mid summer. What's Redknapp offering?
Harry topped you with a1000 cats however if you can throw in a couple of bitches we have a deal before mid night.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:00:44 PM: I feel physically sick..we really are done for! Total piss take from all concerned, tonight we ceased being a premiership club! Pathetic!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on January 31, 2013, 09:00:46 PM: Not at all surprised. Wage bill is coming down...low earning / low key signings, gamble on staying up and then he's selling up (IMO), relegation or not...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 09:00:53 PM: Strangely I was happier with just Sylla. At least that would mean there was no money (even if just for a loan) for another centre-half. Lets just hope this is a monumental fuck up by the media.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 09:00:55 PM: Quote from: Malandro on January 31, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
wonder what will happen on here if Bent leaves at 10:59, with no other players coming in?

That would be the only reason to get a forward in looking at our current squad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 09:01:29 PM: Fantastic work on the quoting there Aftab!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 09:01:40 PM: You're taking the piss, you're taking the piss. Randy Lerner, you're taking the piss.

FUCK OFF NOW and take you're puppets Faulkner and Lamber with you. And when you get there, FUCK OFF a bit more.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Merv on January 31, 2013, 09:01:50 PM: Fuck me. Sorry, rarely swear on here. This has turned out worse than I thought. Cover for Albrighton, SSN have said. Cover for a plyr who has started about five PL games this season? Expected little, but not a squad winger. We have Carruthers, Burke, Graham if we want young wingers. Don't play with them anyway.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 09:02:02 PM: I think that news has made Aftab lose it as well.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:02:19 PM: Not that it's really got anything to do with us but
"BBC Sport's Ben Smith: "I've got some good news for West Ham fans. I am assured by a very good source at West Ham that there has been no bid today for Mohamed Diame. yet."

You can listen to Mark Chapman, former Wales midfielder Robbie Savage, former Tottenham boss David Pleat, and ex-Bolton manager Owen Coyle for a special deadline day programme on BBC Radio 5 live."

If a blue nose and a boggie had cobbled together a plot to fuck us over and humiliate us to the greatest possible effect they'd struggle to do better than the job currently being done.

Regardless of whether we're really after Simon Dawkins or not, the fact that it's plausible that would wrap up our business now speaks volumes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:02:32 PM: Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
There will be a swap deal involving Darren Bent and a centre half before the evening is out, mark my words.
Now that sounds sensible.

For the first time in ages, i don't worry about where the goals are coming from. At this stage, i'd take a very decent centre back like Huth for Bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 31, 2013, 09:02:39 PM: I thought I saw him this morning, but then thought "Nah, it surely can't be him. What would Simon Dawkins, of all people, be doing in Brum, today of all days".

Consider me astonished.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM: Lerner is really not supporting Lambert. I actually feel sorry for him. Yes he has made some mistakes, but he should have been backed this month to rectify the errors.

Lerner won't be at the games when the crowd turns and he doesn't appear to give a shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:03:08 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on January 31, 2013, 09:00:53 PM
Strangely I was happier with just Sylla. At least that would mean there was no money (even if just for a loan) for another centre-half. Lets just hope this is a monumental fuck up by the media.

Same here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ClarrieBlue on January 31, 2013, 09:03:53 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Is this Simon Dawkins thing confirmed ?
I've just looked on Wikipedia to find out something about Simon Dawkins and they already have his Current Club as "Aston Villa - On loan from Tottenham Hotspur". I'm not saying it's right but that's quick work.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 09:04:00 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:58:36 PM
Truly gobsmacking.

Honestly, it is just beyond a joke that that is all our business.

Desperate for a bit of experience, we opt for two more kids who have never kicked a ball at the top level.

It's just bizarre isn't it? It makes you wonder, is Lambert really, really stubborn, or is he trying to send a message of how bad things are by making these types of signings?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:04:00 PM: Thing is if we just signed Sylla that would at least make sense as he plays in a position we badly need. The last thing we need is some nobody who plays up front.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 09:04:09 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I'm not going to write him off before we've seen him, but this just stinks of desperation.

It's not even that, it makes absolutely no sense at all.

He's a 'striker' but it depends what sort. Centre forward makes no sense, off the front player who can make something happen is something we need. We have no creativity in the squad.

My worry is more that he's 25 and never appeared for Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:04:12 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Quote from: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: montague on January 31, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
There will be a swap deal involving Darren Bent and a centre half before the evening is out, mark my words.
Now that sounds sensible.

For the first time in ages, i don't worry about where the goals are coming from. At this stage, i'd take a very decent centre back like Huth for Bent.

I was thinking that today... plus a bit of cash,
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:04:28 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
Lerner is really not supporting Lambert. I actually feel sorry for him. Yes he has made some mistakes, but he should have been backed this month to rectify the errors.

Lerner won't be at the games when the crowd turns and he doesn't appear to give a shit.

He should have been sacked weeks ago- the whole thingvos a shambles.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pooligan on January 31, 2013, 09:04:41 PM: If this Simon Dawkins was half decent i am sure that old jelly face who was spuds manager who is now just down the road would have been in for him by now
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:04:50 PM: Two hours to go. Plenty of time yet. Dont believe anything until it happens.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: swiftyelvis on January 31, 2013, 09:04:59 PM: It's laughable how the Club are 'leaking' the new possible MLS loan signing' on Facebook. This is what we have been reduced to leaking news I'm not even sure Walsall fans would be excited if their club was doing the same thing
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 09:05:07 PM: Let's hope we all have to eat our words as Dawkins scores and sets up the goals that keep us up.

(https://static.prtst.net/asset-proxy/1442821022fa74d288352f945f1af05163f8224d/687474703a2f2f66696c65732e6368657373636f6d66696c65732e636f6d2f696d616765735f75736572732f74696e795f6d63652f417263746f722f636c75746368696e675f61745f7374726177732e6a7067/http://files.chesscomfiles.com/images_users/tiny_mce/Arctor/clutching_at_straws.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:05:36 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
Lerner is really not supporting Lambert. I actually feel sorry for him. Yes he has made some mistakes, but he should have been backed this month to rectify the errors.

Lerner won't be at the games when the crowd turns and he doesn't appear to give a shit.

yeah but get a nobody loanee for CB , not for up front.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 09:05:38 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Thing is if we just signed Sylla that would at least make sense as he plays in a position we badly need. The last thing we need is some nobody who plays up front.

Exactly. We've already got Bowery for that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 31, 2013, 09:05:48 PM: Is there no one we can get from the conference!! !!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:05:50 PM: Bowery, Bent, Benteke, Gabby, Weimann. Do we really need someone in addition to that? no, no fucking way. What we need is a defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:05:56 PM: Lambert has the air of a man on the edge of major mental trauma. You know when people flip out and forget all the rules of social interaction? January shows me the man should be kept away from razor blades and harmful chemicals
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 09:05:58 PM: Scores the goals/sets up the goals to keep us in the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: el león Benidorm on January 31, 2013, 09:06:14 PM: I feel sorry for that poor fecker that has to report on transfer events at Bodymoor Heath. We are the most underacheiving club.

Who is this MLS star. How can a player impress in nine games...

So Fuck this I'm watching Suits on Dave and not checking back on the laughing stock of the club that I love until after the joke window closes
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:06:14 PM: Jesus H. Just when you think we can't possibly plumb any deeper depths, or the club display any more fuckwittery, they go and surprise you. We've got two good young forwards in Weimann and Benteke, plus of course Bent and Gabby. Then there's Bowery if we're really desperate to chuck on a young but crap lower league nobody. So what do the club do when we're crying out for somebody who can defend? Go and sign a 25 year old Spurs reject who has played a handful of games for Orient and a season and a bit in the MLfuckingS. I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

Lerner - c***
Faulkner - c***
Lambert - c***

If they had a brain cell between them they'd be dangerous.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 09:06:34 PM: I'm going to assume that if we sign Dawkins it will be to play more as an attacking MF rather than as a forward.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 31, 2013, 09:06:40 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 09:05:58 PM
Scores the goals/sets up the goals to keep us in the Championship.

writes the theme tune too???????
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 09:06:44 PM: 607+ pages, 1 signing, £1.75m, 0 players anyone has ever heard of, 1-10 on for Championship football 2013-14.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 09:06:54 PM: Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
I feel physically sick..we really are done for! Total piss take from all concerned, tonight we ceased being a premiership club! Pathetic!!!!

Indeed. Lions led by donkeys.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on January 31, 2013, 09:07:09 PM: Jan 31st, the day AVFC put final nail in their relegation coffin. Truly pathetic from all at the club, you should be ashamed.

This MLS chap more of a winger I hear than a striker.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:07:39 PM: No matter how well Dawkins (who we snatched from Wigan where he was on trial for ten days) does, I am pretty sure he's not going to turn into the experienced head we needed in the middle or at cb
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:07:51 PM: There will be complaints-a-plenty.

But Lerner will be oblivious to it back in America, slumped in front of the TV watching a 24 hour cartoon network and voiding his bowels.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 31, 2013, 09:07:54 PM: still nearly 2 hours left, we could yet get that lad from Alvechurch!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:08:22 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:07:39 PM
No matter how well Dawkins (who we snatched from Wigan where he was on trial for ten days) does, I am pretty sure he's not going to turn into the experienced head we needed in the middle or at cb

I'd imagine he's not even as good as Jordan Bowery, if such a forward exists.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 09:08:31 PM: Eat my goal!

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:09:22 PM: I haven't given up yet. Surely there must be a defender ready to be signed? Things at present just don't make any sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 09:09:31 PM: Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
I feel physically sick..we really are done for! Total piss take from all concerned, tonight we ceased being a premiership club! Pathetic!!!!
Get a grip mate a transfer ducking window doesn't finish off the great Aston Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:09:49 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:07:39 PM
No matter how well Dawkins (who we snatched from Wigan where he was on trial for ten days) does, I am pretty sure he's not going to turn into the experienced head we needed in the middle or at cb

Indeed, the last thing we fucking need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 09:10:16 PM: Our defence is shocking, why aren't we addressing it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:10:41 PM: Can someone please turn off the lights at bodymoor heath and put us out of our misery.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 09:10:57 PM: I'm 35 and play five a side on a Thursday night.

I have experience, so will come down to Bodymoor Heath tomorrow with my boots.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:12:00 PM: There is money available in the shape of players who have a value. The January window always has moderate players sold at beyond their true value so why aren't we playing in the same market? Have a clear out of Bannan, Albrighton, Gabby (sob), Given, Ireland, Bent and any other under performers and use the money to buy a six foot five central stopper and a defensive midfield. If other clubs can get top dollar for their cast offs (Palacios, Upson, Jenas etc.) why can't we?

I really truly believe there is a conspiracy to drive down the value of the club. It is all too amateurish not to be a very clever destruction from within.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2013, 09:12:03 PM: Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:12:07 PM: Get a fucking defender in Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: charlie on January 31, 2013, 09:12:22 PM: pLS DELETE IF THIS IS LIBELLOUS.
My opinion now is that Lamb, deserving the chop, is an agent of the leprachaun, determined to wreck Villa
prior to moving to SPL, on the instructions of MoN who holds a deep grudge against Randy who wouldnrt sanction endless spending.Littke else explains the obstinate stubborn foolheaded refusal to even seek cheap experienced loan players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2013, 09:12:38 PM: Sack Faulkner, sack Lambert, sack the players, refund the season ticket money, padlock the gates, call it a day.

There is no more point.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:12:38 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 09:09:31 PM

Get a grip mate a transfer ducking window doesn't finish off the great Aston Villa.

No, but the holy trinity of ****** Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert have.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 09:12:56 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 09:09:31 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
I feel physically sick..we really are done for! Total piss take from all concerned, tonight we ceased being a premiership club! Pathetic!!!!
Get a grip mate a transfer ducking window doesn't finish off the great Aston Villa.

We haven't been great for a while, we've moved onto clueless
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:13:18 PM: Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 31, 2013, 09:12:03 PM
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:13:39 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:12:00 PM
There is money available in the shape of players who have a value. The January window always has moderate players sold at beyond their true value so why aren't we playing in the same market? Have a clear out of Bannan, Albrighton, Gabby (sob), Given, Ireland, Bent and any other under performers and use the money to buy a six foot five central stopper and a defensive midfield. If other clubs can get top dollar for their cast offs (Palacios, Upson, Jenas etc.) why can't we?

I really truly believe there is a conspiracy to drive down the value of the club. It is all too amateurish not to be a very clever destruction from within.

It's like I've said before it does seem to be willfully negligent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: stuart r on January 31, 2013, 09:13:49 PM: Can't believe it. Dawkins? There is no god!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2013, 09:14:32 PM: Ok first question, if this blokes any good have we agreed a fee.

I guess the answer is Have we f***k
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:14:50 PM: Quote from: stuart r on January 31, 2013, 09:13:49 PM
Can't believe it. Dawkins? There is no god!

Very good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM: The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to the last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at the managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on January 31, 2013, 09:15:04 PM: Fucking hell! Simon Fucking Dawkins. This is just bizarre.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:15:29 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 09:09:31 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
I feel physically sick..we really are done for! Total piss take from all concerned, tonight we ceased being a premiership club! Pathetic!!!!
Get a grip mate a transfer ducking window doesn't finish off the great Aston Villa.
I didnt say we wasn't great, i said we ceased being a premiership club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:15:41 PM: I'm certain Lambert's true home is League One, that's why he's trying to get us there as fast as he can.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Stu on January 31, 2013, 09:15:43 PM: Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
Sack Faulkner, sack Lambert, sack the players, refund the season ticket money, padlock the gates, call it a day.

There is no more point.

"Stop all the clocks..." etc, etc.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2013, 09:16:12 PM: Beyond pathetic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM: Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:16:29 PM: Quote from: frank black on January 31, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
Ok first question, if this blokes any good have we agreed a fee.

I guess the answer is Have we f***k

If hes any good why has he been at spurs 7 years and never started a game?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 31, 2013, 09:16:59 PM: Christ, I'd be happy to see Zat Knight back right now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Perry Barr Pet on January 31, 2013, 09:17:16 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
Quote from: Rudy Lambert on January 31, 2013, 09:12:03 PM
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

We won't get fooled again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2013, 09:17:28 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 08:58:36 PM
Truly gobsmacking.

Honestly, it is just beyond a joke that that is all our business.

Desperate for a bit of experience, we opt for two more kids who have never kicked a ball at the top level.

They're not kids, ones 25. They're just shit. 25 and only played 11 games in England, for Leyton Orient. Say's it all.

Can the last person leaving the building please turn off the lights.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:17:38 PM: What's Alpay doing?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM: Whole thing is farcical. Its like we crossed into a parrelled universe where our transfer targets have been swapped with Cheltenham Towns.

(http://expresswithgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fat.gif)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:18:15 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at the managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

I dont think he's in a financial mess i just think he's lost all interest in villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2013, 09:18:36 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good.

Have you seen him defending at corners and totally lose his man? Most of the corners scored in the last month or so has been partly his fault.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM: its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:19:15 PM: Is Mark Lillis still around?

His sheer ugliness would put the wind up our relegation rivals.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:19:51 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Whole thing is farcical. Its like we crossed into a parrelled universe where our transfer targets have been swapped with Cheltenham Towns.

(http://expresswithgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fat.gif)

how did you get Eastie on there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:20:46 PM: I don't know why everyone is slashing their wrists.
We had the chance to vent our spleens on Tuesday night, but no.
We gave them a fucking standing ovation for another fucking defeat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:20:47 PM: We have the world's most incompetent billionaire, only Villa.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 09:21:24 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good.

Well, each to their own and all that, but this is one of the more.....outlandish suggestions I've seen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:21:27 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
Is Mark Lillis still around?

His sheer ugliness would put the wind up our relegation rivals.

Huddersfield ass manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: He wears a magic hat on January 31, 2013, 09:21:52 PM: Mark lillis is currently caretaker manager at huddersfield
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:22:17 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
Lerner - c***
Faulkner - c***
Lambert - c***

I think you need to apologise.

The last thing a ****** wants to be compared to is those 3.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:22:17 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
I don't know why everyone is slashing their wrists.
We had the chance to vent our spleens on Tuesday night, but no.
We gave them a fucking standing ovation for another fucking defeat.

Well said Andy. Should have booed that idiot Lambert to within an inch of his life.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:22:50 PM: Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!

No Im not. Think about it Dion moved back with ease, Allan Evans moved back with ease, Dick Edwards moved back in the sixties
Benteke might do well short term and we have to come up with something.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 09:23:02 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
Is Mark Lillis still around?

His sheer ugliness would put the wind up our relegation rivals.

Huddersfield ass manager.

Still as ugly as ever, just without the hair. Get him in there!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM: Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

We seem to have resorted to calling them shit even before they sign

Would rather have Sylla and A N Other than Zat Knight, Curtis Davies or Nigel Reo Coker who I seem to have been reading about for 500+ pages
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:23:39 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.

Not so bad now is it?

Would have only used up half of our £3m budget.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:24:11 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

We seem to have resorted to calling them shit even before they sign

Would rather have Sylla and A N Other than Zat Knight, Curtis Davies or Nigel Reo Coker who I seem to have been reading about for 500+ pages

I don't know if this Dawkins is shit or not. I suspect he is, but even if he isn't, he isn't what we're crying out for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PONGO49 on January 31, 2013, 09:24:14 PM: can someone drag 'God' out of the bar and tell him to dust off his boots.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:24:36 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

Which is probably fair enough from their point of view. After pouring £200 - 250M into a black hole and getting nowhere and the only return being whatever they've taken back as interest and management fees why would you continue to say yes to more if you had no interest in the "project" and could see other "more deserving causes"

Still hurts like a bitch on this side of the Atlantic.

At least we don't owe all that money to a bank. Problem comes if someone has to borrow money to but Lerner out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 31, 2013, 09:24:51 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

We seem to have resorted to calling them shit even before they sign

Would rather have Sylla and A N Other than Zat Knight, Curtis Davies or Nigel Reo Coker who I seem to have been reading about for 500+ pages

I agree lobster...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:24:52 PM: I stick to what I said a week or so ago, Davies would be very useful. But no we sign a player we definitely don't need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 09:24:59 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Would rather have Sylla and A N Other than Zat Knight, Curtis Davies or Nigel Reo Coker who I seem to have been reading about for 500+ pages

Have you been reading that "MON's best buys" thread again?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:25:11 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!

No Im not. Think about it Dion moved back with ease, Allan Evans moved back with ease, Dick Edwards moved back in the sixties
Benteke might do well short team and we have to come up with something.

Dion did'nt move back there until he was in his 30's.

Sorry but it's a terrible idea.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on January 31, 2013, 09:25:18 PM: I've You Tube'd Bug Dawk's. seen worse....
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 09:25:27 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.

I would sooner play Vlaar and Clark than Davies so that would not have worked as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:25:37 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
Lerner - c***
Faulkner - c***
Lambert - c***

I think you need to apologise.

The last thing a c*** wants to be compared to is those 3.

That's true. You don't mind how much you spend on an actual one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:25:42 PM: @JamesNursey: Simon Dawkins joining #avfc on loan. He's a #THFC midfielder who has been playing in the MLS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:25:49 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

Orient loanee who has a nodding acquaintance with Spurs?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit.

Then it probably IS shit.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 09:26:42 PM: Looking at Dawkins videos what strikes me is how his technique is a little unsteady and he doesn't look as quick as we'd hope. Woohoo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:27:07 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!

No Im not. Think about it Dion moved back with ease, Allan Evans moved back with ease, Dick Edwards moved back in the sixties
Benteke might do well short team and we have to come up with something.

Dion did'nt move back there until he was in his 30's.

Sorry but it's a terrible idea.

Same as curtis davies was a terrible idea - he's shit!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 09:27:19 PM: We didn't to bring in Martin Laursen as defensive coach and then promote him to manager at the end of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 09:27:20 PM: People actually believed the twitter account had been hacked(including me) That's how much of a joke this is
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:27:30 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!

No Im not. Think about it Dion moved back with ease, Allan Evans moved back with ease, Dick Edwards moved back in the sixties
Benteke might do well short term and we have to come up with something.
I like Benteke, but I dont want him anywhere near our penalty area, especially when we have to defend a corner!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:27:45 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:24:36 PM

Which is probably fair enough from their point of view. After pouring £200 - 250M into a black hole and getting nowhere and the only return being whatever they've taken back as interest and management fees why would you continue to say yes to more if you had no interest in the "project" and could see other "more deserving causes"

Still hurts like a bitch on this side of the Atlantic.

At least we don't owe all that money to a bank. Problem comes if someone has to borrow money to but Lerner out.

Trust's have to do impairment reviews of their investments for audit purposes. I once audited a billionaire's network of trusts, and one investment was a game reserve in South Africa. They had to write down the investment because the lions had eaten too many of the zebras and gazelles. The Lerner trust is going to have to write down the value of their investment in Aston Villa by tens of millions because we have a squad full of donkeys.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.

It's the only idea I can come up with.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:28:01 PM: Simon Dawkins. What have we come to?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:28:01 PM: Fucking hell this is embarrassing, we have slumped to a new low.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:28:11 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.

I would sooner play Vlaar and Clark than Davies so that would not have worked as far as i'm concerned.

And if one of them get's injured?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:28:40 PM: No doubt our reactions will be seen like the McLeish debacle, ie we're against it and we won't give him a chance. Just for the record, Planet Earth, this guy could be a genius, but we wanted to shore up our defence and strengthen the midfield, not provide temporary cover for a reserve winger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: fbriai on January 31, 2013, 09:28:55 PM: Ah, I'm going to bed. Hour ahead over here and the kids'll be up early in the morning. Thanks to all of you for a thoroughly entertaining day. I hope you get some news that makes it all worthwhile over the next couple of hours.

UTV!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:29:24 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.

I would sooner play Vlaar and Clark than Davies so that would not have worked as far as i'm concerned.

And if one of them get's injured?

Then it's Baker. In a 4-4-2.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2013, 09:29:28 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

More likely that he's had enough of throwing good money after bad.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:29:53 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.

It's the only idea I can come up with.

You'd also think that a billionaire would keep a few million in personal cash for eventualities.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:31:01 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

Orient loanee who has a nodding acquaintance with Spurs?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit.

Then it probably IS shit.

We bought a former Nantwich trainee who played for Crewe in the summer and he seems to have done okay
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on January 31, 2013, 09:31:24 PM: Well, you'd have to think that's our business done for the day.

Sylla and Dawkins. Wow. Fingers crossed, everybody.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:31:52 PM: At least this transfer window removes any lingering reason for keeping lambchop. A new manager can't do any worse than him with only the additions of a geriatric spurs youth player and a french 2nd division kid.. He's already failed to motivate the existing players so might as well give a new guy a go
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:32:10 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:24:36 PM

Which is probably fair enough from their point of view. After pouring £200 - 250M into a black hole and getting nowhere and the only return being whatever they've taken back as interest and management fees why would you continue to say yes to more if you had no interest in the "project" and could see other "more deserving causes"

Still hurts like a bitch on this side of the Atlantic.

At least we don't owe all that money to a bank. Problem comes if someone has to borrow money to but Lerner out.

Trust's have to do impairment reviews of their investments for audit purposes. I once audited a billionaire's network of trusts, and one investment was a game reserve in South Africa. They had to write down the investment because the lions had eaten too many of the zebras and gazelles. The Lerner trust is going to have to write down the value of their investment in Aston Villa by tens of millions because we have a squad full of donkeys.

Fair enough - as long as they understand the concept and consequence of relegation

because we have a squad full of donkeys. - Led by a bunch of asses :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:32:12 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.

It's the only idea I can come up with.

You'd also think that a billionaire would keep a few million in personal cash for eventualities.

I have no idea yet how billionaires arrange their financial affairs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:32:43 PM: Quote from: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
its weird, how names get mentioned all day and you think no way do we want him and then might end up with Hawkins . Then you think , I wish we had that WP etc now .

I'm sure a few on here are thinking that Curtis Davies was'nt a bad idea after all.

I would sooner play Vlaar and Clark than Davies so that would not have worked as far as i'm concerned.

And if one of them get's injured?

Then it's Baker. In a 4-4-2.

But Baker seems unable to play more than 3 games in a row without picking up a knock. Let's just hope Dunne is not too far away from fitness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:32:44 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

Orient loanee who has a nodding acquaintance with Spurs?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit.

Then it probably IS shit.

We bought a former Nantwich trainee who played for Crewe in the summer and he seems to have done okay

Yeah he's been fantastic, setting up no end of goals and being a brilliant defensive wall in front of the defence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 31, 2013, 09:33:05 PM: Bloody hell, not *the* Simon Dawkins?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:33:05 PM: I'm fine with Sylla signed, yes not remotely high profile but he is in exactly the position we needed a player and hopefully he'll do well. Dawkins however makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2013, 09:33:11 PM: Just woken up here and turned on to H & V in eager anticipation to see who we've signed. For about the 100th time in the last 3 years i wake up to abject disappointment and a feeling of dread for our future.

We are well and truly fucked and we will finish bottom of the league. F*** off Randy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:33:18 PM: I'm convinced that i'm going to wake up to find that I passed out just after Carew's brilliant goal to go 2-0 up against Stoke.

I had a bizarre biological reaction to the Bovril and i've been comatose for the last few years.

In reality we're chugging along quite nicely in the Champions League.

All this just isn't fucking happening.

CLARENCE. PLEASE I WANT TO LIVE AGAIN (sob) JUST LET ME LIVE AGAIN.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:33:31 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: exiled on the wirral! on January 31, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 31, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
Ive suggested this before but nobody showed any interest. Why dont we play Benteke at centre half . Big, physical, wins most of the headers
and his passing is good. Leaving Bent and Weimann up front and Agbonlahor under orders to stay out on the wings and provide the crosses.

If he doesnt buy a centre half I suppose he will stick with Vlaar and Clark...which shows how stubborn and stupid he is.
I presume you are joking about Benteke!

No Im not. Think about it Dion moved back with ease, Allan Evans moved back with ease, Dick Edwards moved back in the sixties
Benteke might do well short term and we have to come up with something.

I could imagine a similar scenario to when that Middlesboro fan ran on and chucked his season ticket away if he dropped this bombshell at home to West Ham. Even I would say sack him then.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:33:47 PM: On Tuesday night we applauded the second half performance of the players in that that game.

This thread is not examining the competence of the players it is examining the competence of Lerner, Faulker and Lambert in deliberately declining to address the player problems we have and effectively forfeiting our Premiership status for reasons we are at a loss to understand. It cannot be straight profit and loss accountancy. The bald truth is that the fall from the Premiership will cost the club at least three times as much as it would cost to bring in players to enable the club to climb clear of danger.

There must be some other motivation for Lerner and Faulkner doing nothing. Not knowing what is driving them is what is causing all the angst on here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on January 31, 2013, 09:34:01 PM: Maybe Joey Deacon was the number one target, until Faulkner realised he's dead
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on January 31, 2013, 09:34:51 PM: This joke just isn't funny anymore.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bones. on January 31, 2013, 09:35:02 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

Orient loanee who has a nodding acquaintance with Spurs?

If it looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit.

Then it probably IS shit.

We bought a former Nantwich trainee who played for Crewe in the summer and he seems to have done okay
I like your optimism,in fact Im quite envious of it but we are second from bottom and we need new signings to do a little bit more than be okay.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:35:36 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
I'm fine with Sylla signed, yes not remotely high profile but he is in exactly the position we needed a player and hopefully he'll do well. Dawkins however makes absolutely no sense.

Dawkins and Bowery will be fighting for the last tabard on the subs bench.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:35:45 PM: Thank you all for keeping me entertained , its been a depressing window but we have had a few laughs along the way - we will go again on saturday to coin a phrase and lets hope somehow we get out of this mess- thanks lads and best wishes until the next time - night all!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 09:35:46 PM: Can't criticise either signing as know nothing about them but on paper, it's hard to make a case for them being exactly what we needed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:36:43 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
On Tuesday night we applauded the second half performance of the players in that that game.

This thread is not examining the competence of the players it is examining the competence of Lerner, Faulker and Lambert in deliberately declining to address the player problems we have and effectively forfeiting our Premiership status for reasons we are at a loss to understand. It cannot be straight profit and loss accountancy. The bald truth is that the fall from the Premiership will cost the club at least three times as much as it would cost to bring in players to enable the club to climb clear of danger.

There must be some other motivation for Lerner and Faulkner doing nothing. Not knowing what is driving them is what is causing all the angst on here.

Well yes but it's very hard to work out what that motivation could possibly be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:36:58 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:32:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.

It's the only idea I can come up with.

You'd also think that a billionaire would keep a few million in personal cash for eventualities.

I have no idea yet how billionaires arrange their financial affairs.

I work for somebody who is on his way to that level of financial standing, and know lots of other exceedingly wealthy people over here, and the one thing none of them do is let a multi-million pound investment go to hell in a handcart. But then, most of them are self made men rather than people who have inherited their wealth and actually know their arse from their elbow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on January 31, 2013, 09:37:11 PM: Fuck me...Dawkins is 25!!! If he hasn't done anything by now, not much chance of him ever is there?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:37:54 PM: One other thing about Simon Dawkins - didn't Lambert say he wasn't going to get bodies in just for the sake of it or something similar ?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:38:03 PM: Quote from: eastie on January 31, 2013, 09:35:45 PM
its been a depressing window but we have had a few laughs along the way
Oh ar.
I've been laughing like a fucking drain all evening.

I've had more amusement grouting tiles.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2013, 09:38:08 PM: Quote from: Matt C on January 31, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Can't criticise either signing as know nothing about them but on paper, it's hard to make a case for them being exactly what we needed.

Agree let's criticise who we haven't signed. A decent eperienced CH and CM. Maybe Upson is coming yet.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 09:38:23 PM: This Dawkins isn't even a bloody transfer but a loan!

What a complete and utter shambles this club has become. Thanks Randy you pathetic, clueless, stayaway shit
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:38:53 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:36:58 PM

I work for somebody who is on his way to that level of financial standing, and know lots of other exceedingly wealthy people over here, and the one thing none of them do is let a multi-million pound investment go to hell in a handcart. But then, most of them are self made men rather than people who have inherited their wealth and actually know their arse from their elbow.

As I said at the start, I don't know. Nothing in this, whether it's by accident or design, makes sense.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 09:39:11 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
On Tuesday night we applauded the second half performance of the players in that that game.

This thread is not examining the competence of the players it is examining the competence of Lerner, Faulker and Lambert in deliberately declining to address the player problems we have and effectively forfeiting our Premiership status for reasons we are at a loss to understand. It cannot be straight profit and loss accountancy. The bald truth is that the fall from the Premiership will cost the club at least three times as much as it would cost to bring in players to enable the club to climb clear of danger.

He's selling Brian i can feel it in my bones.

There must be some other motivation for Lerner and Faulkner doing nothing. Not knowing what is driving them is what is causing all the angst on here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 09:39:14 PM: We are the envy of what used to be called Fleet Street and what now is called blogging. 616 pages of copy, word count TBC - all about nothing worthwhile.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 09:39:31 PM: Um, so we needed steel, experience and know how and we've got a young lad a never was?

I'm appalled.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: richl on January 31, 2013, 09:39:34 PM: 31 1 13 the club has died. A coincidence of 3 3 3. Goodnight
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:39:44 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Can we at least allow any new signings to arrive at Bodymoor Heath before we decide they're shit?

We seem to have resorted to calling them shit even before they sign

Would rather have Sylla and A N Other than Zat Knight, Curtis Davies or Nigel Reo Coker who I seem to have been reading about for 500+ pages

dont think peopel are saying they are shit , they are just saying a signing like this wont keep us in the Prem , wrong position for a start.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 31, 2013, 09:39:54 PM: Quote from: gervilla on January 31, 2013, 09:34:51 PM
This joke just isn't funny anymore.

Heaven knows we're miserable now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:39:56 PM: I think this transfer window really does confirm that Aston Villa FC is skint.
And, if that wanker of an owner does not want to invest anymore to protect his investment, he deserves every piece of bad luck and financial loss that comes his way.
We as fans, do not deserve it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 09:40:15 PM: There is still time to get Gosling in..
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: charleeco7 on January 31, 2013, 09:40:19 PM: It's obvious that we are content with relegation. No fight on the pitch, in the dug out or boardroom. Complete joke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 09:40:21 PM: So what's the general consensus on Villa's moves in this transfer window?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2013, 09:40:39 PM: villa fans everywhere - go back to your consituencies and prepare for the chapionship!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:40:48 PM: I can't be the only one who was reminded of this following our club's work today?:
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 09:41:10 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:37:54 PM
One other thing about Simon Dawkins - didn't Lambert say he wasn't going to get bodies in just for the sake of it or something similar ?

yep. Apparently the world's oldest youth player is a key part of his plans
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 09:41:14 PM: Lerner has made mistakes, I find it hard to criticise him too much though. He's given us alot of his money.

Lambert spent horribly in the Summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:41:16 PM: How the fuck can we be so skint? it makes no sense. Sell up Lerner, do the decent thing and do your best to find a buyer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 09:41:47 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 09:40:21 PM
So what's the general consensus on Villa's moves in this transfer window?

This:

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on January 31, 2013, 09:41:57 PM: I'm going to bed. Night all.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM: Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:42:35 PM: Just out of interest, which is more confusing: the McLeish appointment or today's transfer activity?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 09:43:04 PM: Lamberts next press conference will be interesting, i bet he says we enquired about a number of players but they all wanted more than 50.000 a year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:43:38 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Just out of interest, which is more confusing: the McLeish appointment or today's transfer activity?

It's the work of someone with psychosis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:43:39 PM: I know it is incredibly, incredibly childish, and a bit bad, but this on twitter just made me laugh more than it should have done

Quote
Richard Allen ‏@richallen10
Isn't Dawkins the one in the wheelchair? Atleast we know he can dribble #AVFC
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:43:51 PM: There's still another 1 hour 18 minutes to go and there might yet be another signing... unlikely but let's wait and see
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:44:21 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Just out of interest, which is more confusing: the McLeish appointment or today's transfer activity?

McLeish by a country mile. At least we know today that we don't have money. The McL appointment was and still is unfathomable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:44:29 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 09:43:04 PM
Lamberts next press conference will be interesting, i bet he says we enquired about a number of players but they all wanted more than 50.000 a year.

I'll be impressed if he can correctly pronounce 'bottle of beer'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on January 31, 2013, 09:44:32 PM: Not overly happy with Business but looking around not much has gone on unless your QPR and your giving CB's 100k a week.
Still I would have liked a CB
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: DB on January 31, 2013, 09:44:43 PM: Quote from: Yossarian on January 31, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
I'm going to bed. Night all.

I am having a curry and a beer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 09:45:10 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Just out of interest, which is more confusing: the McLeish appointment or today's transfer activity?

They are running villa into the ground.

It could take a very very long time to recover. We used to be ahead of a lot of the current top four, now we are well, well below the likes of Stoke, Fulham and Norwich.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danlanza on January 31, 2013, 09:45:24 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:40:48 PM
I can't be the only one who was reminded of this following our club's work today?:

Spot fucking on. And i laughed me arse off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 09:45:43 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on January 31, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
There's still another 1 hour 18 minutes to go and there might yet be another signing... unlikely but let's wait and see

Fucking hell.
Have you been on the E's?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 09:46:13 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
I don't know why everyone is slashing their wrists.
We had the chance to vent our spleens on Tuesday night, but no.
We gave them a fucking standing ovation for another fucking defeat.

Well said Andy. Should have booed that idiot Lambert to within an inch of his life.

What got me was, in the lower holte against newcastle, some bloke stood up and held a banner (couldn't make out what it was, but i doubt it was pleasant) and the blokes to the left of me went fucking nuts at him. The level of aggression was astonishing, we were about 10 meters away from him, and it pissed me off. I'm not one for booing, but if he wants to hold up a banner for a bit, whether it helps or not, then fucking let him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 09:47:13 PM: [ Invalid YouTube link ]

what a great soccer goal by the most excellant offense right side
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 31, 2013, 09:47:24 PM: Well, we're fucked.
A Second Division Frenchman and a 25 year old non-league failure on loan.
Experience needed to keep us in the Premier League and this is what we get.
Resign now Lambert and sell up now Lerner, you have made Aston Villa a laughing stock.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 09:47:41 PM: Perhaps Lerner has a numbered bank account in Lichtenstein and a shell company in Musselburgh - no that is a silly joke - in the Bahamas called Holteite Holdings Inc and when the present club is sufficiently devalued he buys it back off himself for a fraction of its true value. Huge tax loss, club totally purged of parasites. Then he could go again as somebody once said.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 09:47:43 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.
MLS is league one at best.It's piss poor.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 31, 2013, 09:48:00 PM: You're in a plane and you see it's heading towards a mountain.nothing to worry about its miles away. It's getting closer so you ask the pilot what he's going to do. 'Nothing, we'll be fine'. It's still getting closer, maybe pull back the stick. No need, we'll be fine. What about jettisoning the fuel? No need we'll be fine. Accelerate, that'll help you gain height. No need we'll be fine. It's right in front of us, get the parachutes out. No need... crunch.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:48:36 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 09:47:13 PM
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what a great soccer goal by the most excellant offense right side

Impressive stuff.

Unfortunately, the only defence anything like as bad as the average MLS one that he'll encounter in the PL is ours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 09:49:17 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.

I agree. It's been a white flag of a transfer window from us. Saying publicly how little money we have all the time has surprisingly not made us an attractive prospect for players.

Quote from: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.
MLS is league one at best.It's possible poor.

Not true, it's definitely got better over the last decade. Even in 2010 I'd have agreed with you, but it's made very big strides the last few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 09:49:23 PM: On the bright side...

...hmmm, can somebody fill in the gap please?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma on January 31, 2013, 09:49:55 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 09:47:13 PM
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what a great soccer goal by the most excellant offense right side

Impressive stuff.

Unfortunately, the only defence anything like as bad as the average MLS one that he'll encounter in the PL is ours.

he'll look good in training though
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:50:26 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.

It's staggering negligence. I want to make it clear I have no problem with Sylla(right sort of player) or Dawkins(wrong sort of player) it's not their fault. However our ownership and management is just completely fucking hopeless.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: gervilla on January 31, 2013, 09:50:43 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
On the bright side...

...hmmm, can somebody fill in the gap please?

Nope.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 09:50:50 PM: Its difficult to comprehend that a previously highly rated manger as Lambert would choose to address our problems in such a way.

Perhaps he's been dropped on his head?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2013, 09:51:31 PM: The next home game will be very interesting, as soon as we go a goal down Lambert will learn what hostility is all about but there is a guy that will be sitting in the stand should get heaps.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 31, 2013, 09:51:50 PM: We should have signed that African Car reverser.
If anyone wonders what the fuck I'm on about check out the thread, all of us badly need a laugh.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 09:52:14 PM: Quote from: gervilla on January 31, 2013, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
On the bright side...

...hmmm, can somebody fill in the gap please?

Nope.

A lot of us have five more minutes of stand-up material to add to our acts?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 09:52:20 PM: Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
On the bright side...

...hmmm, can somebody fill in the gap please?

When you reach rock bottom the only way is up. One day Randy Lerner's shadow will not haunt Aston Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: danno on January 31, 2013, 09:52:37 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 09:50:50 PM
Its difficult to comprehend that a previously highly rated manger as Lambert would choose to address our problems in such a way.

Perhaps he's been dropped on his head?

Brain slug Futurama style?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 09:53:16 PM: Any news on Andrew Greaves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:53:56 PM: Dawkins Holman MKII
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 09:53:58 PM: Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
I don't know why everyone is slashing their wrists.
We had the chance to vent our spleens on Tuesday night, but no.
We gave them a fucking standing ovation for another fucking defeat.

And what's wrong with that? It's loyal support mate and I was one of those who did that because I thought the boys did great in the second half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:54:02 PM: If it's any consolation Lambert's career is going up in smoke faster than we're heading towards the Championship.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 09:54:37 PM: Quote from: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 09:53:16 PM
Any news on Andrew Greaves?

In a helicopter circling Loftus Road with his agent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on January 31, 2013, 09:55:41 PM: So we've had Jim white tell Simon Jordan to stop right there as he can feel his tongue in his cheek???!!!!

And Niall Quinn state that there's a difference in the way villa are approaching this as last time we were in a similar situation we came knocking on sunderlands door and gave them a heap of money for bent.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on January 31, 2013, 09:55:52 PM: Quote from: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
If it's any consolation Lambert's career is going up in smoke faster than we're heading towards the Championship.

No it's not. TSM is still working and is significantly wealthier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:55:54 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2013, 09:20:46 PM
I don't know why everyone is slashing their wrists.
We had the chance to vent our spleens on Tuesday night, but no.
We gave them a fucking standing ovation for another fucking defeat.

And what's wrong with that? It's loyal support mate and I was one of those who did that because I thought the boys did great in the second half.
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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: exigo on January 31, 2013, 09:56:06 PM: We're so resigned to our fate nobody's even done a Downfall parody. That's how bad things have got.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2013, 09:56:42 PM: Can somebody please make any sense of this to me, what is Lerner thinking, what is Lambert thinking what the fuck is going on??

I've accepted that we probably won't stay up but to see us surrender in this way, madness.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 31, 2013, 09:57:18 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on January 31, 2013, 09:49:23 PM
On the bright side...

...hmmm, can somebody fill in the gap please?

When you reach rock bottom the only way is up. One day Randy Lerner's shadow will not haunt Aston Villa

But where is rock bottom? League 1 League 2?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: steamer on January 31, 2013, 09:57:43 PM: o well after drinking many beers, it is almost midnight here,
maybe I wake up and discover we have signed some experienced centre half and defender.
If not, I despair.
Along with every one else,what the fuck is going on.
I am not sure of this Randy planning for the championsip theory, why would Lambert buy into that plan?
I think that Lambert is stuborn, Randy in football matters is clueless and Faulkner is pointless.
Good night Fellow Lions
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM: Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 09:58:32 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

Oh dear. Snigger.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:58:55 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

Davis and Palacious
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2013, 09:59:11 PM: Can't wait to watch January 2013 Deadline Day again in a few years' time on Sky Sports News Gold. Reckon next time we'll definitely sign a centre-half.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 09:59:37 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

Our Graham and Stephen Hawkins.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 09:59:49 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

Davis and Palacious

That's just cruel.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 10:00:23 PM: Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 million?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 31, 2013, 10:00:55 PM: In a transfer window where we have been dumped in the relegation zone and on our worst run of form since Christ knows....when ALL our rivals are strengthening all over the park, and we've bought a Second division Frenchie and a Leyton Orient failure?

You are shitting me right? Really - you MUST be fucking shitting me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:01:03 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

best sit down . no lie down :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:01:18 PM: Steve Davis, Curtis Davies and Bette Davis. Somebody snookered our approaches for Joe Davis and Fred Davis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on January 31, 2013, 10:01:49 PM: Hawkins and Sylla could prove effective! Hawkins can add bait of width and sylla a bit of solidarity. Lamberts signings make sense given the position and if they come off then its been great deals. Certainly no point going down qpr route as they have too many players to make sense. Anyway lets see what happens. Only Bowery of the signings hasn't come off and he has had much playing time...
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:02:00 PM: And the very eloquent French journalist on 5live just now reckons the one player we have signed is overpriced.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:02:12 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 million?

where it all started :-[
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 10:02:33 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:01:18 PM
Steve Davis, Curtis Davies and Bette Davis. Somebody snookered our approaches for Joe Davis and Fred Davis.

Dickie Davies however is currently agreeing terms.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:03:18 PM: It was on Twitbook that he was after Patti Andrews but she died in the night aged 94.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:03:29 PM: Quote from: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
And the very eloquent French journalist on 5live just now reckons the one player we have signed is overpriced.

He's Phillipe Auclair and he's very cheeky at the best of times, and when he admits he's being a bit cheeky he's being very cheeky. The point is that it's a clear risk, and we're clearly operating at the transfer level below Newcastle, because he's about a division below Sissoko, apparently. Makes you weep.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM: I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:03:47 PM: Quote from: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
And the very eloquent French journalist on 5live just now reckons the one player we have signed is overpriced.

they said that about Benteke
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: atticus snood on January 31, 2013, 10:04:00 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 31, 2013, 10:01:49 PM
Hawkins and Sylla could prove effective! Hawkins can add bait of width and sylla a bit of solidarity. Lamberts signings make sense given the position and if they come off then its been great deals. Certainly no point going down qpr route as they have too many players to make sense. Anyway lets see what happens. Only Bowery of the signings hasn't come off and he has had much playing time...

Bennett..? KEA..?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2013, 10:04:09 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.
Go smacked you may be but you can't have a strategy of building from young up and coming players an than introduce walk in mercenaries ad hoc!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 10:04:30 PM: I still can't believe we got Messi and Xavi. Well done Randy and the Pauls.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:04:40 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
Quote from: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
And the very eloquent French journalist on 5live just now reckons the one player we have signed is overpriced.

they said that about Benteke

Genk fans said he was rubbish, in fact! He might be the exception though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 10:04:49 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
Dan Gosling from Newcastle United for £2 million?

where it all started :-[

I keep accidentally clicking on page one and get excited. That's how far we've fallen, I still don't really know who he is but I think 'great, we're signing Dan Gosling'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:05:02 PM: Lerner wants us down, right?

That has to be the plan? They reckon it's the only way to clear the wage bill and start again? There is now way any owner would allow this to happen unless they were embracing relegation in pursuit of some long-term strategy. It is madness, utter madness to think we could stay up as we are with these additions.

They don't see the folly of this and how next year's TV deal would solve the wage Bill instantly?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:05:22 PM: So he immediately sprang panther like for Eamonn Andrews but alas he was likewise brown bread.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 10:05:33 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?

Just imagine some names. It is so much better than the reality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on January 31, 2013, 10:05:58 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Right, just got home from work and haven't seen a thing all day, due to meetings.

Who have we signed and who has gone?

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Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:06:01 PM: (http://oi51.tinypic.com/28qw3e1.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 10:06:03 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?

Yacouba Sylla is confirmed and Simon Dawkins from Spurs via Leyton Orient and San Jose Earthquakes in the MLS on loan.

You were better off at work in blissful ingnorance
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:06:27 PM: A fucking group of baboons would do a better job of running the club than our board. If you put a series of choices in front of them they might guess one right occasionally, our board wouldn't have a fucking chance.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 10:06:34 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?

A French kid from their second division with one U21 cap, cant mind his name, big ****** though. A 25 year old nobody from America, his mom cant even mind his name. All the experience and steel is being kept well under the radar for now.

We're doomed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:06:41 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?
Sylla a French kid from their 2nd Division, played for Carpetright or something.
And Richard Dawkins, a fuck my old boots loanee from Spurs.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM: Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:07:10 PM: Just checked my emails. Who the cunting hell is Dawkins? Isn't he the worlds most aggressive atheist?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:07:33 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
A fucking group of baboons would do a better job of running the club than our board. If you put a series of choices in front of them they might guess one right occasionally, our board wouldn't have a fucking chance.

I'm not so sure. They aren't that stupid.

This is deliberate. Oh and actually I'm wrong, it is also stupid ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2013, 10:07:50 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.
Go smacked you may be but you can't have a strategy of building from young up and coming players an than introduce walk in mercenaries ad hoc!
Sorry but that is just rubbish.
Quality players;necessary quality players; experienced quality players, do not have to be mercenaries.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:08:18 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
Just checked my emails. Who the cunting hell is Dawkins? Isn't he the worlds most aggressive atheist?

Only since Hitchens died. And there's still Bill Maher, but he's not that smart.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:09:08 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
Just checked my emails. Who the cunting hell is Dawkins? Isn't he the worlds most aggressive atheist?
It's Lamberts 'fuck you' in human form.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 31, 2013, 10:09:16 PM: Quote from: Fernando Partridge on January 31, 2013, 10:01:49 PM
Hawkins and Sylla could prove effective! Hawkins can add bait of width and sylla a bit of solidarity. Lamberts signings make sense given the position and if they come off then its been great deals. Certainly no point going down qpr route as they have too many players to make sense. Anyway lets see what happens. Only Bowery of the signings hasn't come off and he has had much playing time...

So you don't think a centre half was more important given the goals we've conceded recently?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2013, 10:09:22 PM: Just listening to Radio 5's French reporter say that he's surprised Villa paid so much money for Sylla, as he's not really rated in France. Dear oh dear!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 10:10:04 PM: Quote from: aftab235 on January 31, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Simon Dawkins has been a very, very good player in the MLS - and the MLS is more or less the standard of the Championship. So, he's come to the right club.

It's not that i have anything against this signing (mind you, if he does well for us, once more we'll have the honour of polishing a rough diamond for Spurs), it is the signings that we have not made.

I can't believe anyone can look at our squad, as demonstrated over the last dozen matches, and not see the screamingly obvious need for a bit of experience in the middle, at CB and possibly at LB, too.

All we've done to address those needs today is buy another lower leagues player (from a different country, mind), an attacking mid / forward, and get shot of one of the left backs we already had.

We've done nothing, absolutely fuck all, to address the weaknesses that have been so obvious for weeks.

I am honestly utterly, utterly gobsmacked.
Go smacked you may be but you can't have a strategy of building from young up and coming players an than introduce walk in mercenaries ad hoc!

What about signing experienced players who aren't mercenaries?

Lots of other clubs seem to manage it.

We are building for relegation. Pathetic.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mike on January 31, 2013, 10:10:19 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:06:41 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
I am horizontal on the sofa with a glass of wine! Cut the piss taking for a moment, and let's do it in baby steps, who have we signed?
Sylla a French kid from their 2nd Division, played for Carpetright or something.
And Richard Dawkins, a fuck my old boots loanee from Spurs.

Which according to Fernando is just what we needed, so that's alright.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:10:33 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.

Problem is, unless he's Messi he's not the type of player we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 10:11:11 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:06:41 PM
Sylla a French kid from their 2nd Division, played for Carpetright or something.

Second drink-through-nostrils moment of the day
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:11:53 PM: The fucking tweet was so small time too. Even if it was a big player we were about to sign it would still have been small-time and unprofessional.

Three years ago we were heading to a League Cup final, probably had the best midfield in the Premiership and looked like we could challenge the big boys.

What a difference three years can make. I'm starting to forgive MON too. We didn't realise what clowns he had to work under. He's a twat but Lerner's behavious since makes MON look like a saint
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:12:07 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.

Problem is, unless he's Messi he's not the type of player we need.

Yeah i know, i'm just trying to put a positive slant on it.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:12:27 PM: So, QPR sign a defender, Wigan sign a defender, Reading sign two defenders. Aston Villa, with the worst defence in the league, sign no defenders. Absolute criminal and deliberate sabotage if you ask me.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 10:12:58 PM: Maybe I should change my signature to Lernanomics or Lambonomics?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on January 31, 2013, 10:13:58 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.

Problem is, unless he's Messi he's not the type of player we need.

Yeah i know, i'm just trying to put a positive slant on it.

At this moment, I'd rather have a massive brick-shithouse of a defender.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: levico on January 31, 2013, 10:14:06 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:05:02 PM
Lerner wants us down, right?

That has to be the plan? They reckon it's the only way to clear the wage bill and start again? There is now way any owner would allow this to happen unless they were embracing relegation in pursuit of some long-term strategy. It is madness, utter madness to think we could stay up as we are with these additions.

They don't see the folly of this and how next year's TV deal would solve the wage Bill instantly?

I'm pretty sure it is the plan. I just think that the Premier League has got too rich for Lerner's blood. The frightening part is, just how far is he prepared to allow us to fall?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2013, 10:14:24 PM: Tomorrow on the OS

BUY A SEASON TICKET AND GUARANTEE YOUR WEMBLEY TICKET FOR NEXT YEAR'S LEAGUE CUP FINAL

Great news, prices frozen for next season. With 23 home games instead of 19, you'd be mad to miss this fantastic offer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:15:00 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.
He speaks highly of Gillott Road, so what?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:15:11 PM: Quote from: levico on January 31, 2013, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:05:02 PM
Lerner wants us down, right?

That has to be the plan? They reckon it's the only way to clear the wage bill and start again? There is now way any owner would allow this to happen unless they were embracing relegation in pursuit of some long-term strategy. It is madness, utter madness to think we could stay up as we are with these additions.

They don't see the folly of this and how next year's TV deal would solve the wage Bill instantly?

I'm pretty sure it is the plan. I just think that the Premier League has got too rich for Lerner's blood. The frightening part is, just how far is he prepared to allow us to fall?

I think it's now quite clear that the club is prepared to get relegated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 10:15:23 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
So, QPR sign a defender, Wigan sign a defender, Reading sign two defenders. Aston Villa, with the worst defence in the league, sign no defenders. Absolute criminal and deliberate sabotage if you ask me.

They couldn't do a better job if they tried. If you wrote this up as a plot with Randy as a secret nose and Lambert as a boggie you'd get laughed out town because it was to implausible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:15:44 PM: Quote from: Pete3206 on January 31, 2013, 10:14:24 PM
Tomorrow on the OS

BUY A SEASON TICKET AND GUARANTEE YOUR WEMBLEY TICKET FOR NEXT YEAR'S LEAGUE CUP FINAL

Great news, prices frozen for next season. With 23 home games instead of 19, you'd be mad to miss this fantastic offer.

Buy a two year season ticket and guarantee your ticket for the 2014 Johnson Paint Autoglass Or Whatever It's Called Mickey Mouse Trophy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 31, 2013, 10:16:22 PM: I've felt low after individual matches in previous years but I think for a prolonged 5-6 week period this has to be the lowest I've felt about Villa in my lifetime.

Total garbage, we are going down.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:16:22 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
So, QPR sign a defender, Wigan sign a defender, Reading sign two defenders. Aston Villa, with the worst defence in the league, sign no defenders. Absolute criminal and deliberate sabotage if you ask me.

That's the thing it's so bad it can only be deliberate negligence.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:16:34 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.
He speaks highly of Gillott Road, so what?

I've seen that video, Two Girls, One Pleat
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on January 31, 2013, 10:16:54 PM: We are all set for a Championship promotion challenge. Now, what to do for the next 7 months...?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:17:09 PM: It is just that. Sabotage. I am going into the kitchen to cheer myself up and read my income tax demand. Night all. Night John Boy. Night Randy. Night Paul. Night Mumbles. Hope you have all got king cobras in your beds.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on January 31, 2013, 10:17:12 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:06:01 PM
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/28qw3e1.jpg)

If only you did look like ed norton aye risso?? 😉
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 31, 2013, 10:17:30 PM: even everton have a new defender

Everton have completed the transfer of defender John Stones from Barnsley for an undisclosed fee. More shortly.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:18:18 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:11:53 PM
The fucking tweet was so small time too. Even if it was a big player we were about to sign it would still have been small-time and unprofessional.

Three years ago we were heading to a League Cup final, probably had the best midfield in the Premiership and looked like we could challenge the big boys.

What a difference three years can make. I'm starting to forgive MON too. We didn't realise what clowns he had to work under. He's a twat but Lerner's behavious since makes MON look like a saint

Maybe if we had not paid out so much in fees and wages on a pile of shite under MON, we would not be in this position now. Just a thought
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:18:25 PM: I'd buy a season ticket if they gave me a voucher for a Bishop Brennan kick up the arse for Lerner.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 31, 2013, 10:18:29 PM: Have we really signed THE Simon Dawkins? I was worried about relegation before but not now. We'll be fine.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 10:18:40 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:16:34 PM
Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.
He speaks highly of Gillott Road, so what?

I've seen that video, Two Girls, One Pleat

You should be banned for putting that image in my head you git.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 10:18:42 PM: I can't wait to hear the Motherwell Mumbler explain this one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 10:18:43 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
So, QPR sign a defender, Wigan sign a defender, Reading sign two defenders. Aston Villa, with the worst defence in the league, sign no defenders. Absolute criminal and deliberate sabotage if you ask me.

after Dunne gets f**king injured again while hitting the food vending machine at Bodymoor.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:18:58 PM: It's alarming that anyone who has more than 200 hundred facebook friends is probably more famous than our two signings.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2013, 10:19:40 PM: Quote from: brian green on January 31, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
It is just that. Sabotage. I am going into the kitchen to cheer myself up and read my income tax demand. Night all. Night John Boy. Night Randy. Night Paul. Night Mumbles. Hope you have all got king cobras in your beds.

My old man reckons he is on a MON revenge mission to fuck up Villa....

I fear he is right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2013, 10:19:53 PM: Wow.

Simon Jordan on SSN, he seems to have updated his hairstyle from 80s to 90s.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:20:12 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:11:53 PM
The fucking tweet was so small time too. Even if it was a big player we were about to sign it would still have been small-time and unprofessional.

Three years ago we were heading to a League Cup final, probably had the best midfield in the Premiership and looked like we could challenge the big boys.

What a difference three years can make. I'm starting to forgive MON too. We didn't realise what clowns he had to work under. He's a twat but Lerner's behavious since makes MON look like a saint

Maybe if we had not paid out so much in fees and wages on a pile of shite under MON, we would not be in this position now. Just a thought

Yes. None of that was Lerner's fault at all. At least he still has his scapegoat for that episode.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2013, 10:20:20 PM: Quote from: Pete3206 on January 31, 2013, 10:14:24 PM
Tomorrow on the OS

BUY A SEASON TICKET AND GUARANTEE YOUR WEMBLEY TICKET FOR NEXT YEAR'S LEAGUE CUP FINAL

Great news, prices frozen for next season. With 23 home games instead of 19, you'd be mad to miss this fantastic offer.

Maybe Lerner is that thick , he thinks going into the championship he will make money as there is more games ;(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:20:36 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
I can't wait to hear the Motherwell Mumbler explain this one.
You can replicate any of his press conferences by listening to white noise through your TV, at a very low volume.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: LeeS on January 31, 2013, 10:23:51 PM: What a bunch of inbreds at Stoke! More fingers than a Captain Birdseye dinner party
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2013, 10:24:27 PM: Fuck me. I am slowly catching up. We have signed WHO? Dear me. We are done for.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on January 31, 2013, 10:25:07 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Well David Pleat has just spoken highly of Dawkins on Five Live.
That's it - the straw that broke the camels back for me, time for a double brandy, a cigar and one final song before the ship goes down................

http://youtu.be/_KIl8-GADyE
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 31, 2013, 10:26:56 PM: Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
So, QPR sign a defender, Wigan sign a defender, Reading sign two defenders. Aston Villa, with the worst defence in the league, sign no defenders. Absolute criminal and deliberate sabotage if you ask me.

Anyone watching the games this season can see the defence is severely exposed by the extremely poor midfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:27:22 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
Lerner has made mistakes, I find it hard to criticism him too much though. He's given us alot of his money.

Lambert spent horribly in the Summer.

I honestly can't believe some people still think this? Did I miss something? Did Lambert inherit a top half squad in the summer? Didn't we come 16th the season before?

We lost Petrov, Cuellar and Heskey, more or less swapped Collins for Vlaar, got shot of Hutton and Warnock to get replacements in on lower wages and all of this was on top of losing massive chunks of what remained of MON's side the season before. Lambert then only signs 8 players at an average of about £2.5m a signing to repair this massive hole in the quality of our squad and he's spent horribly has he? What were you expecting? To unearth every hidden gem across europe that no else has seen because I'd suggest you're living in dreamland if you thought that. Not to mention the fact that in all likelihood the combined wages for these players are probably a lot lower than you would expect for 8 Premier league players. El Ahmadi would be the one guy I would concede is not looking money well spent, but at about 2 million it's hardly an expensive mistake is it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on January 31, 2013, 10:28:29 PM: Twatting hell, my hope of a smokescreen before unveiling lassana diarra has evaporated
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: maigrait on January 31, 2013, 10:30:03 PM: at least jemaine jenas has gone to qpr to lie on the treatment table for a whole 18 months!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2013, 10:31:00 PM: and i didnt think we were going to sign anyone . shame on me >:(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:32:06 PM: What happened to eastie?!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:33:00 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
What happened to eastie?!

Went to bed earlier.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:34:10 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
What happened to eastie?!

Went to bed earlier.

More like he passed out from non-diabetic hyperglycemia.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:34:45 PM: Tonight reminds me of the season under Venglos when we badly needed players and we ended up signing Gary Penrice.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 31, 2013, 10:36:38 PM: The subject line needs to be amended to:

'January Transfer Thread: Absolute Cr@p'
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:37:10 PM: Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
Tonight reminds me of the season under Venglos when we badly needed players and we ended up signing Gary Penrice.

To be fair, Dr. Jo kept us up fourth from bottom and 4 points clear of third bottom (two went down that year, obv). I'd take that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:37:47 PM: At least they actually managed SOMETHING i suppose. Even if we did have to attack the sofa with a chainsaw to find the required amount.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:37:54 PM: Was it revealed who bid for Diamme? Oh and Lambert is the biggest c**t to be Villa manager since DOL. Stubborn prick......he's been offered money apparently and turned it down. Nobody has killed my interest in football more than this man...!! :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 10:39:56 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
Tonight reminds me of the season under Venglos when we badly needed players and we ended up signing Gary Penrice.

To be fair, Dr. Jo kept us up fourth from bottom and 4 points clear of third bottom (two went down that year, obv). I'd take that.
I would chew your hand off for that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2013, 10:40:54 PM: Quote from: Rip Van We Go Again on January 31, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
I can't wait to hear the Motherwell Mumbler explain this one.
You can replicate any of his press conferences by listening to white noise through your TV, at a very low volume.

I hope somebody in the media has the balls to stand up to him the next time he comes out with "mouth full of marbles" nonsense. If he tries to fob people off with his "we go again" mantra, tell him that's just not good enough. Ask him why more signings weren't made in the window and if he comes out with his usual "we looked at a few", ask him exactly why we couldn't sign those players and who made the call that we couldn't sign those players.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:41:02 PM: This really does remind me of 1987. We needed experienced heads. We got Warren Aspinall from Everton reserves.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:41:11 PM: Quote from: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Was it revealed who bid for Diamme? Oh and Lambert is the biggest c**t to be Villa manager since DOL. Stubborn prick......he's been offered money apparently and turned it down. Nobody has killed my interest in football more than this man...!! :(

Who says?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2013, 10:41:14 PM: Quote from: bertlambshank on January 31, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
Tonight reminds me of the season under Venglos when we badly needed players and we ended up signing Gary Penrice.

To be fair, Dr. Jo kept us up fourth from bottom and 4 points clear of third bottom (two went down that year, obv). I'd take that.
I would chew your hand off for that.

Fucking right.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2013, 10:42:36 PM: Eastie's chucked a rope into the rafters of the control room and hanged himself. Meanwhile, beyond a pair of gently swinging brogues, a hundred flickering TV screens show Jim White having a malevolent orgasm in HD.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 10:42:45 PM: Matthew Upson has gone to Brighton on loan...

Fucking Brighton????!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 10:43:26 PM: Matt Upson has joined Brighton then

FFS
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2013, 10:43:29 PM: Quote from: Montbert on January 31, 2013, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 31, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
Tonight reminds me of the season under Venglos when we badly needed players and we ended up signing Gary Penrice.

To be fair, Dr. Jo kept us up fourth from bottom and 4 points clear of third bottom (two went down that year, obv). I'd take that.

We now need Dr Phil
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2013, 10:44:02 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Matthew Upson has gone to Brighton on loan...

Fucking Brighton????!!!!!!

That's inexcusable. He would at least have been an experienced body, at the very least no worse than what we have. Absolutely inexcusable.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 10:44:29 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Matthew Upson has gone to Brighton on loan...

Fucking Brighton????!!!!!!
He probably will be.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: pooligan on January 31, 2013, 10:44:59 PM: Another Spurs reserve, Hutton,Jenas,Walker and now Dawkins ,what is is it with Spurs reserves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:45:05 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Was it revealed who bid for Diamme? Oh and Lambert is the biggest c**t to be Villa manager since DOL. Stubborn prick......he's been offered money apparently and turned it down. Nobody has killed my interest in football more than this man...!! :(

Who says?

Somebody I know who works at VP. Sadly I even think Matt Upson could've done a job for us......My God how shit have things gone for this club?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 10:45:06 PM: Quote from: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Was it revealed who bid for Diamme? Oh and Lambert is the biggest c**t to be Villa manager since DOL. Stubborn prick......he's been offered money apparently and turned it down. Nobody has killed my interest in football more than this man...!! :(

No one bid for Diame. All part of the usual deadline day bollocks
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:45:33 PM: Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 31, 2013, 10:11:53 PM
The fucking tweet was so small time too. Even if it was a big player we were about to sign it would still have been small-time and unprofessional.

Three years ago we were heading to a League Cup final, probably had the best midfield in the Premiership and looked like we could challenge the big boys.

What a difference three years can make. I'm starting to forgive MON too. We didn't realise what clowns he had to work under. He's a twat but Lerner's behavious since makes MON look like a saint

Maybe if we had not paid out so much in fees and wages on a pile of shite under MON, we would not be in this position now. Just a thought

Yes. None of that was Lerner's fault at all. At least he still has his scapegoat for that episode.

Dont think he has ever made MON the scapegoat TBH. Perhaps he should have taken more control, but he backed his manager
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:46:05 PM: Our midfield is weak yes but our defenders can't defend, when we get relegated I'll look back on tonight and say there! That was the night we fucked it. We needed experience and we got none

Well done Villa
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:46:40 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
Matt Upson has joined Brighton then

FFS

He will enjoy himself there
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2013, 10:46:57 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
Matt Upson has joined Brighton then

FFS

Maybe the location suited him?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 31, 2013, 10:47:04 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on January 31, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Was it revealed who bid for Diamme? Oh and Lambert is the biggest c**t to be Villa manager since DOL. Stubborn prick......he's been offered money apparently and turned it down. Nobody has killed my interest in football more than this man...!! :(

No one bid for Diame. All part of the usual deadline day bollocks

I heard it was arsenal
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2013, 10:47:15 PM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 31, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Matthew Upson has gone to Brighton on loan...

Fucking Brighton????!!!!!!
He probably will be.

*sniggers, straightens face* That's a terrible slur.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Des Little on January 31, 2013, 10:47:42 PM: So no defensive re inforcements. Does Lambert watch the same team as us? The team who, when a corner was cleared on Tuesday, raised an ironic cheer from their own fans? I give up...and by the sound of it so has he.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on January 31, 2013, 10:49:11 PM: Rumours TSM has quit Forest over George Boyd saga
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: mr woo on January 31, 2013, 10:49:14 PM: Quote from: ChrissyPrice on January 31, 2013, 10:41:02 PM
This really does remind me of 1987. We needed experienced heads. We got Warren Aspinall from Everton reserves.

Exactly what I was thinking. And we all know what happened that year. The only difference I can see....? This side is worse.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 11:46:34 PM: Rumours McLeish has quit. No idea of how reliable they are.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 31, 2013, 11:52:09 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 11:46:34 PM
Rumours McLeish has quit. No idea of how reliable they are.
Where was that kind of luck when we needed it?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on January 31, 2013, 11:52:28 PM: Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on January 31, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
Lerner has made mistakes, I find it hard to criticism him too much though. He's given us alot of his money.

Lambert spent horribly in the Summer.

I honestly can't believe some people still think this? Did I miss something? Did Lambert inherit a top half squad in the summer? Didn't we come 16th the season before?

We lost Petrov, Cuellar and Heskey, more or less swapped Collins for Vlaar, got shot of Hutton and Warnock to get replacements in on lower wages and all of this was on top of losing massive chunks of what remained of MON's side the season before. Lambert then only signs 8 players at an average of about £2.5m a signing to repair this massive hole in the quality of our squad and he's spent horribly has he? What were you expecting? To unearth every hidden gem across europe that no else has seen because I'd suggest you're living in dreamland if you thought that. Not to mention the fact that in all likelihood the combined wages for these players are probably a lot lower than you would expect for 8 Premier league players. El Ahmadi would be the one guy I would concede is not looking money well spent, but at about 2 million it's hardly an expensive mistake is it?

Pretty much my thoughts as well.

It is clear that the owner does not want to invest any more money in the club. Which is fair enough but we have had no soft landing. We have come in hot and hit the runway hard, with the undercarriage collapsing.

What gets me is that he has had this intention since before the start of last season and allowed McLeish to bring in N'Zogbia, Given, Hutton and Jenas (on loan) on wages that committed the club to a heavy expenditure for a number of years to come. The Downing money could have been better spent.

What I would like to know is how we currently stand with income v expenditure. Also, I do not see many players coming through from the reserves/youth team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: FrankyH on January 31, 2013, 11:54:00 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on January 31, 2013, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on January 31, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
Matt Upson has joined Brighton then

FFS

He will enjoy himself there
Steady Tiger !
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 11:55:10 PM: McLeish on his way back to Villa Park in biggest about turn ever.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2013, 12:00:48 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 11:46:34 PM
Rumours McLeish has quit. No idea of how reliable they are.

They just had the Peterborough chairman on SSN, saying that Forest pulled out at the last minute due to some trumped up problem with Boyd's eyesight. The chairman (McAnthony?) was livid, and intimated that McLeish wanted the player, but his chairman didn't.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2013, 12:01:49 AM: when do we start the Summer transfer thread?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2013, 12:01:51 AM: Quote from: Risso on February 01, 2013, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2013, 11:46:34 PM
Rumours McLeish has quit. No idea of how reliable they are.

They just had the Peterborough chairman on SSN, saying that Forest pulled out at the last minute due to some trumped up problem with Boyd's eyesight. The chairman (McAnthony?) was livid, and intimated that McLeish wanted the player, but his chairman didn't.

sounds like our club to be honest
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on February 01, 2013, 12:36:13 AM: Disliked Simon Jordan before tonight. Although he is a bit of a cock, he's probably the first person to appear on SSN for years who didn't kiss Redknapp's arse over his transfer methods.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2013, 12:53:57 AM: Someone on VT mentioning that we tried for Troy Deeney today...........
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on February 01, 2013, 12:56:52 AM: Didn't we use to have him in the youth team? Or was that his brother?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2013, 12:58:54 AM: Quote from: TheSandman on February 01, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
Didn't we use to have him in the youth team? Or was that his brother?

It was him about 7 years ago.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on February 01, 2013, 01:02:53 AM: Today in emoticons.

;) :) :-\ :-\ ::) :-\ :-\ :-[ :( >:( >:( :o :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Steve R on February 01, 2013, 01:06:06 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 31, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 31, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
The most worrying thing for me is if Lerner is in a right old mess financially and is struggling to sustain bankrolling the club anymore. I'd much rather he'd just decided enough was enough for the time being but the cost cutting has been so quick and severe it certainly doesn't look good does it? and we all know what happened to last club that fell apart at the seams this quick, they still haven't come back now.

I still can't lay the blame at managers feet for the state we're in. No one would have sorted this shit out with the money and wages available.

One thing Lerner isn't is struggling financially. He's a stirling billionaire, not just $ billioanire. How much of that value is liquid and instantly usable is another matter, as is if he has funded us directly or through the Lerner family trust - I think he needs agreement from other family members to access these funds.

That's the only thing that could possibly make a modicum of sense - the trustees have blocked him.

And they do have that power, and may well use it if other beneficiaries object to the money being spent. However, even in those circumstances, surely even some corporate trustee in Delaware can see that the value of the TRUST'S investment is going to get hammered if we get relegated.

It's the only idea I can come up with.

They probably do appreciate what relegation will do to the value of the club. Maybe they see that as acceptable risk in the belief that if it did happen it would only be a short/medium term hit and the club would recover both status and value.

On the other hand, their experience of english football is that you can throw large sums in and end up with a bunch of liabilities that suck yet more out of the family pot without delivering much back. it's happened for three managers running, what reason do they have to think fourth time lucky?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on February 01, 2013, 01:32:46 AM: Is that it then??..no one!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on February 01, 2013, 07:40:27 AM: Just been catching up with the list of yesterday's loans.

Upson to Brighton ?!?

Villa must have been interested in him, surely ? Hell, I'd have happy with Woodgate at this point.

If Villa couldn't compete with Brighton for a player, things are worse than I dared think
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 01, 2013, 08:09:54 AM: What a farce. Not one defender signed for the worst defence in the league. It beggars belief. I try not to be too negative about things but it appears either Randy doesn't care, Lambert is an incredibly poor judge of his squad or both.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: manic-road on February 01, 2013, 08:22:08 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
Someone on VT mentioning that we tried for Troy Deeney today...........

Or Verne Troyer?
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: supertom on February 01, 2013, 08:24:11 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on February 01, 2013, 07:40:27 AM
Just been catching up with the list of yesterday's loans.

Upson to Brighton ?!?

Villa must have been interested in him, surely ? Hell, I'd have happy with Woodgate at this point.

If Villa couldn't compete with Brighton for a player, things are worse than I dared think
In fairness to Brighton though, they have a beach, a pier and they'll also be above us next season!
:)
:(
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on February 01, 2013, 09:26:36 AM: Quote from: manic-road on February 01, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
Someone on VT mentioning that we tried for Troy Deeney today...........

Or Verne Troyer?

At last, someone that Bannan can see eye-to-eye with
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on February 01, 2013, 09:59:34 AM: Quote from: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2013, 11:55:10 PM
McLeish on his way back to Villa Park in biggest about turn ever.

You know what?

No, I won't say it...
Title: Re: Transfer Thread whenever Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on February 04, 2013, 08:37:56 PM: Could we sign that lad from the Ravens who caught a big kick-off and then ran through everybody from one end to the other, last night on the Superbowl?
11 seconds, apparently. One end to the other. That's Olympic timing.

Ball at his feet instead of in his arms, no problem after a few days at Bodymoor. Jacoby Jones. The Villa are waiting.
Just a thought, no transfer window on our end, anyway.
Title: Re: Transfer Thread whenever Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: nigel on February 04, 2013, 09:37:29 PM: Quote from: Louzie0 on February 04, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
Could we sign that lad from the Ravens who caught a big kick-off and then ran through everybody from one end to the other, last night on the Superbowl?
11 seconds, apparently. One end to the other. That's Olympic timing.

Ball at his feet instead of in his arms, no problem after a few days at Bodymoor. Jacoby Jones. The Villa are waiting.
Just a thought, no transfer window on our end, anyway.

It's only 100 yards, though, so you'd be looking over 12 seconds for 100 metres. Still pretty quick, mind :)
My PB was 10.4 and was no where near UK entry times
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: midnite on February 04, 2013, 09:52:02 PM: Very impressive time especially since he was carring extra weight with pads and helmet, running through people and not in an actual straight line. Phenomenally quick!
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on February 04, 2013, 10:44:07 PM: It was 109 yards because he caught it at the back of the end zone. I remember reading somewhere that Arsenal had a player in the 90s who could run a sub 11 seconds 100m.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 04, 2013, 10:49:46 PM: Louis Donowa was pretty fast, I remember. Shit at football but fast.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2013, 12:58:51 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on February 04, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
It was 109 yards because he caught it at the back of the end zone. I remember reading somewhere that Arsenal had a player in the 90s who could run a sub 11 seconds 100m.

The NFL corrected it to 108yds. The player was Jacoby Jones who was an All-American collegiate athlete. In fact a lot of the athletes go into one of the major sports qualifying for more than one. It is something to watch up close.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2013, 01:24:23 AM: Ugh..let this sorry thread die in vain.

We never even ended-up with Dan feckin' Gosling.
Title: Re: January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on February 05, 2013, 08:34:01 AM: Maybe consign it to the Time Wasters folders?