Reading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 05:30:33 PMReading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Faulkner has got lots of deserved criticism for things that he has been directly involved in. Like appointing McLeish for instance, and the fact that we've lost something like £130m in the last three years.
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on June 07, 2012, 11:48:59 AMThe club have started to redeem themselves after a sequence of enormous cock ups. Let's not forget, this time last year, he was sitting next to McLeish, unveling him (well, actually, he wasn't, he didn't turn up for it).In my mind they (the top management) still have a way to go towards redemption, but it's certainly a start.This sums it up for me.The club (ie Lerner and Faulkner) made a huge and costly series of errors in allowing O'Neill unfettered access to silly amounts of money, and they then compounded this by two managerial appointments, one which was questionable and the other downright moronic. On top of this this were lots of other bad news stories and silly decisions like poorly worded letters to supporters ("Top 20 in the Deloitte league" indeed) . Since then though, there seems to have been a general upturn in fortunes, so I'm looking forward to the new season, and it's basically a clean slate as far as I'm concerned. They've made an excellent start with the acquisition of Lambert, now they need to back it up with repairing the squad numbers and quality.
The club have started to redeem themselves after a sequence of enormous cock ups. Let's not forget, this time last year, he was sitting next to McLeish, unveling him (well, actually, he wasn't, he didn't turn up for it).In my mind they (the top management) still have a way to go towards redemption, but it's certainly a start.
Quote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 08:58:33 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 05:30:33 PMReading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Faulkner has got lots of deserved criticism for things that he has been directly involved in. Like appointing McLeish for instance, and the fact that we've lost something like £130m in the last three years.And the things he's done right?
Lambert is hopefully a big step in the right direction.
Quote from: woody4866 on June 07, 2012, 05:06:01 PMI know hind sight is a wonderful thing but we should have kept Steve Stride onI know he would have loved to have stayed on when RL took over and with his footballing knowledge and working at Villa since an early age - he would have been a safe pair of hands (TSM would not have darkened our doorstep)That said PF is now getting on with things and it would appear we are heading in the right direction - he has had a steep learning curve which could have cost us dearlyOnwards and upwardsThe Steve Stride thing really is getting to be a bit boring now. Steve was a good administrator, one of the best even. But the problem wasn't one of administration, it was the fundamental relationship balance between Lerner and O'Neill that was all wrong. O'Neill was given carte blanche to spend what he liked, so even after blowing the best part of £20m on Davies and Cuellar, he then went and replaced them a year later with Collins and Dunne, as just one example. Even if Stride had questioned the wisdom of giving a 31 year old non-scoring Heskey £65K a week for 3 years, it would have come down to Lerner either backing O'Neill or not.What was needed was a coherent plan between Lerner and O'Neill, and it just wasn't there. Steve Stride wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference in my opinion.
I know hind sight is a wonderful thing but we should have kept Steve Stride onI know he would have loved to have stayed on when RL took over and with his footballing knowledge and working at Villa since an early age - he would have been a safe pair of hands (TSM would not have darkened our doorstep)That said PF is now getting on with things and it would appear we are heading in the right direction - he has had a steep learning curve which could have cost us dearlyOnwards and upwards
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 09:00:56 PMQuote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 08:58:33 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 05:30:33 PMReading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Faulkner has got lots of deserved criticism for things that he has been directly involved in. Like appointing McLeish for instance, and the fact that we've lost something like £130m in the last three years.And the things he's done right? He's got an awful lot to do to put right the wrongs of the last two years. Still, Lambert is hopefully a big step in the right direction.
Quote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 10:56:54 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 09:00:56 PMQuote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 08:58:33 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 05:30:33 PMReading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Faulkner has got lots of deserved criticism for things that he has been directly involved in. Like appointing McLeish for instance, and the fact that we've lost something like £130m in the last three years.And the things he's done right? He's got an awful lot to do to put right the wrongs of the last two years. Still, Lambert is hopefully a big step in the right direction.As I said - the mistakes are down to him and the good decisions are ignored.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 08, 2012, 12:22:16 AMQuote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 10:56:54 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 09:00:56 PMQuote from: Rissbert on June 07, 2012, 08:58:33 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2012, 05:30:33 PMReading about both PF and other CEOs it seems their main role is Chief Scapegoat. The bad things are their fault and the good ones are down to the manager. Faulkner has got lots of deserved criticism for things that he has been directly involved in. Like appointing McLeish for instance, and the fact that we've lost something like £130m in the last three years.And the things he's done right? He's got an awful lot to do to put right the wrongs of the last two years. Still, Lambert is hopefully a big step in the right direction.As I said - the mistakes are down to him and the good decisions are ignored. No, nothing like that at all in fact. Are you seriously arguing that the state of the club's finances and the appointment of the last manager are nothing to do with the company's Chief Executive?
Of course I'm not, although we don't know in whose hands the final decision on such matters as managerial appointment rests. What I'm saying, and what you haven't yet answered, is that my original point stands. It appears that throughout top-flight football the CEO is some sort of pantomime villain figure who is inevitably at fault when things are going wrong but ignored at other times.
...He may well have had successes along the way, but seeing as the main purpose of the club is to win football matches the last two years have been a story of failure. It may not be all directly his fault, but as a CEO he is legally and morally responsible.Now, hopefully that's all in the past and just as Faulkner should take the rap for his part in appointing McLeish, he can have a big pat on the back for admitting the mistake and rectifying it quickly and successfully with the manager most people wanted.