Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2012, 11:02:01 AMWe had a wage bill of ~90% of turnover and have been kept in the black by numerous loans from the owner, there has been no immediate danger but it was clearly where we'd have been heading without wholesale changes. I clearly played it up a bit (mainly to get some responses if I'm honest) but the facts are we were in a terrible financial position when he got the job, the reasons for which are irrelevant to(this discussion.The whole point is, no one likes the people who are in charge when the money dries up, but if they do the job well, without the consequences being too great, and the spending starts again in the future then you have to applaud them. At the minute we've only seen PF in the bad times, lets give him a year of not being the fall-guy before we judge him too harshly.I'd liken it to the government but I guess the difference is slashing costs without a concern is fine when it means a relegation scrap or 2 but doing it at the expense of a couple of million people having jobs is possibly taking things a bit far.Your surname isn't Faulkner is it?
We had a wage bill of ~90% of turnover and have been kept in the black by numerous loans from the owner, there has been no immediate danger but it was clearly where we'd have been heading without wholesale changes. I clearly played it up a bit (mainly to get some responses if I'm honest) but the facts are we were in a terrible financial position when he got the job, the reasons for which are irrelevant to(this discussion.The whole point is, no one likes the people who are in charge when the money dries up, but if they do the job well, without the consequences being too great, and the spending starts again in the future then you have to applaud them. At the minute we've only seen PF in the bad times, lets give him a year of not being the fall-guy before we judge him too harshly.I'd liken it to the government but I guess the difference is slashing costs without a concern is fine when it means a relegation scrap or 2 but doing it at the expense of a couple of million people having jobs is possibly taking things a bit far.
For instance, if we'd bought cabaye
I just cannot see how people say the GH appointment was a disaster.Pubehead walked with 5 days to a season to goThe club like all of us must have been shocked at that pointWhat self respecting manager would do the same dispicable thing and leave their club to join us at that time.We looked good with Kev Mc against Wet spam but bloody awful when hammered by the bar codesOf all the out of work managers (as that was really only our choice) GH surely had to be the most experienced and credible - we got him, eventually
What despicable manager, let me see, erm....Paul Lambert maybe? He walked out on Colchester after the first game of a new season.
I just cannot see how people say the GH appointment was a disaster.Pubehead walked with 5 days to a season to goThe club like all of us must have been shocked at that pointWhat self respecting manager would do the same dispicable thing and leave their club to join us at that time.We looked good with Kev Mc against Wet spam but bloody awful when hammered by the bar codesOf all the out of work managers (as that was really only our choice) GH surely had to be the most experienced and credible - we got him, eventuallyThere were some PR cock ups and he loved 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' a bit too much but at least we saw signs of good football and some decent reultsUnless as some have wondered TSM was part of the master plan to cut away the dross on huge wages and to be well paid to be the fall guy then the only thing i would blame PF for would be the TSM appointment. And that i would put down to inexperience and i am sure both he and randy have learned a lot by it
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2012, 12:22:01 PMI just cannot see how people say the GH appointment was a disaster.Pubehead walked with 5 days to a season to goThe club like all of us must have been shocked at that pointWhat self respecting manager would do the same dispicable thing and leave their club to join us at that time.We looked good with Kev Mc against Wet spam but bloody awful when hammered by the bar codesOf all the out of work managers (as that was really only our choice) GH surely had to be the most experienced and credible - we got him, eventuallyThere were some PR cock ups and he loved 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' a bit too much but at least we saw signs of good football and some decent reultsUnless as some have wondered TSM was part of the master plan to cut away the dross on huge wages and to be well paid to be the fall guy then the only thing i would blame PF for would be the TSM appointment. And that i would put down to inexperience and i am sure both he and randy have learned a lot by itTo be perfectly honest I regard McLeish and Houllier on the same level.In McLeish's defence he may have been shit but not once did he disrespect us, the fans in the manner that steaming pile of shit Houllier did.
I think paul's post above is very accurate. What it doesn't explain is PF's role in two cack handed and wrong managerial appointments. I also think they were over confident about the youth and may have cut too far too fast on the senior playing side, tho it's actually hard to see that sidwell, NRC and l young would have made that much difference last year. I guess if the makoun, Hutton, jenas and CNZ signings had come off in any respect we'd have been in a much better position. So perhaps it all comes back to the managerial appointments For instance, if we'd bought cabaye, ben arfa, frimpong (loan) and Naughton, under the leadership of a decent manager, I'm sure we'd have been infinitely better off and just as Newcastle are doing, would be demonstrating you can cut your cloth accordingly and still succeed.