Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 25, 2012, 11:30:56 PMIt is either dignity or go down. Well no, not really. We have been quite dignified for the vast majority of home games on you know who's watch, ignoring where he came from and all that other bobbins. With people ready and willing to give him a chance he's delivered 4 home wins. I'm not advocating riots either, BTW.But dignity AND going down - or going down with barely a murmur- would be largely consistent with this season as a whole.
It is either dignity or go down.
It is either dignity or go down. A time for cool heads all round.
£4m pay off buys you an awful lot of dignityThere's a Gingoid I know He's a manager for the VillaHas been all seasonAnd he takes advice off nobodyAnd puts us in the gutterHe's loved by FaulknerAnd Lerners soft as butterAnd he picks the sides for drawsThe fans call him "McCunty"He never lets onBut i know 'cause he once told meHe let me know a secret about the money in his contractHe's gonna buy a luxury yachtGonna call it dignityAnd he'll sail her up the west coastThrough villages and townsHe'll be on his holidaysWhile our club is going downThey'll ask him how he got her he'll say "with those c***'s money"They'll say isn't it shitty that ship called dignityAnd i'm telling this storybecuase his wages are obsceneSipping down the tableIt must be a bad dreamAnd i'm thinking about our club and all that meansAnd a relegation with no dignityAnd he'll sail her up the west coastThrough villages and townsHe'll be on his holidaysWhile our club is going downThey'll ask him how he got her he'll say "with those c***'s money"They'll say isn't it shitty that ship called dignityAnd i'm thinking about EuropeAnd i'm thinking about trophiesAnd i'm thinking about full groundsAnd i'm thinking about how good it would beTo be back there some day
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 25, 2012, 11:30:56 PMIt is either dignity or go down. A time for cool heads all round.Sorry that's nonsense Dave. They are not mutually exclusive, we can show all the dignity we like but could still go down. It is possible to protest with dignity - see Villa revolution 1968 - but I've absolutely nothing against people venting their feelings at the game the other night,or any other game, because it's the best way to let that idiot owner and his lickspittle know how the fans feel. It may or may not affect the performance, only the players can tell you the true answer to that one, but they can hardly play any worse than they have been recently. And I believe ultimately it's in the best interests of the club to do anything to rid it of that incompetent manager. Sometimes you have to endure pain to get the gain. For me, if we are going down, it's better to go with a fight than with a whimper - to quote a famous poet - "Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light".
I see where you are coming from to an extent DC5, but on the other hand, our best chance of staying up might be to ditch McLeish now, because a change often brings a fresh impetus. And our best chance of doing that might be if everyone in the ground lets Randy and Faulkner know they want him out in no uncertain terms. But you have a point, maybe wait until the last 10 minutes or so and only give it the verbals if it looks like yet another cock up.
Quote from: ktvillan on April 26, 2012, 08:38:57 AMQuote from: Dave McLark Five on April 25, 2012, 11:30:56 PMIt is either dignity or go down. A time for cool heads all round.Sorry that's nonsense Dave. They are not mutually exclusive, we can show all the dignity we like but could still go down. It is possible to protest with dignity - see Villa revolution 1968 - but I've absolutely nothing against people venting their feelings at the game the other night,or any other game, because it's the best way to let that idiot owner and his lickspittle know how the fans feel. It may or may not affect the performance, only the players can tell you the true answer to that one, but they can hardly play any worse than they have been recently. And I believe ultimately it's in the best interests of the club to do anything to rid it of that incompetent manager. Sometimes you have to endure pain to get the gain. For me, if we are going down, it's better to go with a fight than with a whimper - to quote a famous poet - "Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light".All I am saying is that, if we want to stay up, we must get behind the team for the remaining games as nobody could possibly play in the atmosphere as it was at the end of the Bolton game. If all hope has gone, as it had after 80 odd minutes the other night, then letting rip can do no further damage.Those who would prefer that we go down and rebuild might think differently and that is up to them.