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Author Topic: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.  (Read 1524715 times)

Online dave.woodhall

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4500 on: May 19, 2012, 12:15:52 AM »
I can't understand why Moyes is happy to finish mid-table every season and if he's so good why nobody else has ever come in for him. He is the Carlos Cuellar of managers.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4501 on: May 19, 2012, 12:17:01 AM »
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

That's one view of David Moyes, I suppose James.  Another might be that he has constantly got Everton in the top ten season after season (even qualified for the Champions League) with a very small squad and limited budget.  He has bought the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott from lower league clubs and nurtured them into internationals.  He has brought through quite a few academy players who have gone on to become first-team regulars (including a 16 year-old Wayne Rooney) and has also added a good mix of foreign players into the club.  Whenever it looks like Everton are going struggle, he always seems to find a way to reverse their fortunes.  Look at this season - struggling a little up until January, so he goes and shores up the midfield by signing Gibson from Man Utd, replaces the constantly injured Saha with Jelavic and they finish in 7th. 

I'm sorry, but I would be absolutely delighted if David Moyes arrived at Villa Park.

Well, there you go, it's opinion isn't it? I didn't say he wouldn't be 'qualified' for the job on his CV, but what's he actually won and why is he still there if he has ambitions to win things? Once he finished 4th, once he squeaked away from relegation i believe, the other eight years they've been firmly mid-table.

I did say I was playing Devil's Advocate!

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4502 on: May 19, 2012, 12:17:56 AM »
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to see something new and exciting. Does any one know what the style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.
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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4503 on: May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM »
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4504 on: May 19, 2012, 12:23:16 AM »
I can't understand why Moyes is happy to finish mid-table every season and if he's so good why nobody else has ever come in for him. He is the Carlos Cuellar of managers.
Quite, he's a decent fella and solid and thats about it. Mr Regular.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4505 on: May 19, 2012, 12:23:40 AM »
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to something new and exciting. Does any one know what style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.

Yes we do! He likes to play pass and move attacking football, has a great record with coaching youngsters, spent enough of his playing career in the PL (underneath arguably the best manager ever) to know what it's about and is a born winner! And he's just won his own league with a club side that had never won it before in 100 years! I'd say that's worth a chance, but like I said above, it's opinion isn't it?

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4506 on: May 19, 2012, 12:23:51 AM »
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

That's one view of David Moyes, I suppose James.  Another might be that he has constantly got Everton in the top ten season after season (even qualified for the Champions League) with a very small squad and limited budget.  He has bought the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott from lower league clubs and nurtured them into internationals.  He has brought through quite a few academy players who have gone on to become first-team regulars (including a 16 year-old Wayne Rooney) and has also added a good mix of foreign players into the club.  Whenever it looks like Everton are going struggle, he always seems to find a way to reverse their fortunes.  Look at this season - struggling a little up until January, so he goes and shores up the midfield by signing Gibson from Man Utd, replaces the constantly injured Saha with Jelavic and they finish in 7th. 

I'm sorry, but I would be absolutely delighted if David Moyes arrived at Villa Park.

Well, there you go, it's opinion isn't it? I didn't say he wouldn't be 'qualified' for the job on his CV, but what's he actually won and why is he still there if he has ambitions to win things? Once he finished 4th, once he squeaked away from relegation i believe, the other eight years they've been firmly mid-table.

I did say I was playing Devil's Advocate!

Not having a go James, just offering an alternative opinion.  To be fair, up until recently only Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool would have presented a real step up from Everton.  Man Utd and Arsenal not available, Liverpool a no-go and Chelsea only employ foreign coaches. 

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4507 on: May 19, 2012, 12:24:11 AM »
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.
Thats because most of us dont watch Championship Football, just like we dont watch Norwegian football. As for Di Matteo no thanks.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4508 on: May 19, 2012, 12:25:59 AM »
I have wanted Martinez since last summer but since the AM departure I have wanted Lambert,  but now mostly I want OGS and another bottle of Innis and Gunn.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4509 on: May 19, 2012, 12:28:49 AM »
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Not having a go James

I know you weren't Tom, no worries mate!

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4510 on: May 19, 2012, 12:29:21 AM »
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

A year ago people wanted Jol, Coyle or Hughes and they didn't exactly have stellar seasons.

I also can't remember too many people wanting Pardew when he went to Newcastle and he hasn't done too bad. In fact all the attention was on how hard done by Hughton was not the coup of getting Pardew.

Sometimes a manger just fits the club and is appointed at the right time. There are very few guaranteed successes short of the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4511 on: May 19, 2012, 12:30:16 AM »
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

If I recall correctly, Lambert's name was being touted by quite a few Villa fans last summer.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4512 on: May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM »
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4513 on: May 19, 2012, 12:33:57 AM »
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

A year ago people wanted Jol, Coyle or Hughes and they didn't exactly have stellar seasons.I also can't remember too many people wanting Pardew when he went to Newcastle and he hasn't done too bad. In fact all the attention was on how hard done by Hughton was not the coup of getting Pardew.

Sometimes a manger just fits the club and is appointed at the right time. There are very few guaranteed successes short of the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson.

Jol guided Fulham to 8th and Mark Hughes managed to keep a very poor QPR team up despite having an extremely hard run in.  Coyle had a bad season from the oof, but the other two would have been markedly better than the man who got the job.

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Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
« Reply #4514 on: May 19, 2012, 12:34:35 AM »
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to something new and exciting. Does any one know what style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.

Yes we do! He likes to play pass and move attacking football, has a great record with coaching youngsters, spent enough of his playing career in the PL (underneath arguably the best manager ever) to know what it's about and is a born winner! And he's just won his own league with a club side that had never won it before in 100 years! I'd say that's worth a chance, but like I said above, it's opinion isn't it?
he managed Manure reserves not exactly the most arduous task, he won the Norwegian League with somre decent Financial Backing, i have not seen any of his teams play, know nothing about his ability to manage  at this level and I guess you dont either.

 


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